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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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The blade cuts both ways.
In his arrogance he can't envisage that the "definitive" 48/52 ratio might decide our previous situation was better. The last general election doesn't quite indicate the overwhelming support assumed.
Is 51/49 an overwhelming majority?
Actually an improvement on the current Leave position that the vote to leave was final and it was correct to ask the population then but they cannot be trusted to decide if the deal done is acceptable... |
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The public can decide at the next general election...
That is 3 years after brexit will have happened, so that is an empty gesture no matter how you look at it.
However if it all goes tits up as I expect it will then there is a chance that the tories and their hateful ultra right wing verging on fascist policies will be all but wiped out for at least a generation. |
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Gove is basically saying that it doesn't matter what is decided and agreed with the EU because we can just change our minds and decide something else. It effectively shows his complete lack of commitment to sticking to any agreement that is not exactly what he wants. We've seen this approach already from the BREXITers in their initial attempts to walk away from the EU with out paying our bills and the complete contempt they've shown for the Anglo/Irish Good Friday Agreement.
Legally, under UK law but not international law, he is correct but the problem is who would want to strike any deal in the future with people who simply believe that they can walk away from any agreement they have made whenever it suits them. |
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Absolute garbage from gove
As allways he won’t be around much longer if maybot has some balls Johnson and gove will start to stir there grimy wand soon and the cauldron will start to boil and trouble will brew |
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"Gove is basically saying that it doesn't matter what is decided and agreed with the EU because we can just change our minds and decide something else. It effectively shows his complete lack of commitment to sticking to any agreement that is not exactly what he wants. We've seen this approach already from the BREXITers in their initial attempts to walk away from the EU with out paying our bills and the complete contempt they've shown for the Anglo/Irish Good Friday Agreement.
Legally, under UK law but not international law, he is correct but the problem is who would want to strike any deal in the future with people who simply believe that they can walk away from any agreement they have made whenever it suits them."
Agreed..
his latest 'well I don't like it so far and not getting my way on this it can be changed later' just looks petulant and childish..
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"What do you make of Gove's assertion that the public will be able to have their say, and any future government could reverse any deal agreed by May's government? "
Rubbish he is talking throu his bum,it is because brexit is beyond his narrow little mind.Mrs May has done really well I am very impressed,Gove should join UKIP we now must face reality and may has done this.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just gives you an insight into the minds of these brexiters....not really the "will of the people " was it  "
Sounds like he should join Diane Abbot then. She wants the people to vote on the final deal too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just gives you an insight into the minds of these brexiters....not really the "will of the people " was it
Sounds like he should join Diane Abbot then. She wants the people to vote on the final deal too."
Do you know what thats not a bad idea...and it seems the MAJORITY of the now UK wants the same  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Just gives you an insight into the minds of these brexiters....not really the "will of the people " was it
Sounds like he should join Diane Abbot then. She wants the people to vote on the final deal too."
Why was it alright for the general population to have a referendum on leaving the EU under unspecified terms but not to decide if the final terms are acceptable? |
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"Just gives you an insight into the minds of these brexiters....not really the "will of the people " was it
Sounds like he should join Diane Abbot then. She wants the people to vote on the final deal too.
Why was it alright for the general population to have a referendum on leaving the EU under unspecified terms but not to decide if the final terms are acceptable?"
This..
especially and significantly when its been shown that the executive want to sideline Parliament..
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"Just gives you an insight into the minds of these brexiters....not really the "will of the people " was it
Sounds like he should join Diane Abbot then. She wants the people to vote on the final deal too."
Sounds like sour grapes to me
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Just gives you an insight into the minds of these brexiters....not really the "will of the people " was it
Sounds like he should join Diane Abbot then. She wants the people to vote on the final deal too.
Why was it alright for the general population to have a referendum on leaving the EU under unspecified terms but not to decide if the final terms are acceptable?"
this is the bit i have never gotten thru the entire process...
people are happy to accept a vote on a blank cheque... but when people ask why people dont get a vote on the specific deal, they shy away
that sounds like common sense more than anything.... |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Can i ask why remainers are clammering for a vote which could result in the hardest of brexits"
There's no clamour. The vote the Government tried to position for Parliament was vote for our deal or crash out.
Parliament decided that was unacceptable and was not meaningful. They want to be able to send the negotiators back.
On the same basis, why is there an assumption that the general public would want a harder version of Brexit? Leavers should be able to ask for the version that they were promised which is all of the benefits at zero cost? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Can i ask why remainers are clammering for a vote which could result in the hardest of brexits"
see... it depends on the premise of any potential vote
the way that the governemt want it framed is that is would be a choice between the deal put forward... or no deal at all.....
the way i would like it framed is "now that we know what an actual leaving deal would look like.... do you still want to leave the eu?"
the notion of voting to leave on a blank cheque was one that i always found strange..... because voting to leave... and voting to leave knowing the true consequences are two different things.... |
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