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"This was one of the most nauseatingly incorrect phrases that has ever been broadcast across social media in recent history. So today the UK has capitulated to almost every single one of the EU’s “sufficient progress” markets. How does this reflect on the statement that “they need us, more than we need them” and how do we see this being reflected in the future “ambitious trade agreement that will enable a deep and special relationship” with the EU?" Lol it don't may might as well become a swinger she will be bent over a desk in Europe and will be begging for mercy soon  | |||
"Lol it don't may might as well become a swinger she will be bent over a desk in Europe and will be begging for mercy soon "Do you actually believe this deal will survive once the hard right brexit wing of the Tory party in Westminster and the 12 DUP MP's have had time to comb through it? If it is still in place next Friday I for one will be surprised. I foresee another classic Maybot government "ABOUT TURN!"... | |||
"Lol it don't may might as well become a swinger she will be bent over a desk in Europe and will be begging for mercy soon
Do you actually believe this deal will survive once the hard right brexit wing of the Tory party in Westminster and the 12 DUP MP's have had time to comb through it?
If it is still in place next Friday I for one will be surprised. I foresee another classic Maybot government "ABOUT TURN!"...
"You could well be right. There had to come a point where Mrs May had to face down the more extreme elements i her party and the DUP, and that time is now. We will have to see what the result of that facing down will be, but expect to see a lot of Jacob Rees Mogg, Owen Patterson and Peter Bone on our TV screens over the coming days. | |||
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"Lol it don't may might as well become a swinger she will be bent over a desk in Europe and will be begging for mercy soon
Do you actually believe this deal will survive once the hard right brexit wing of the Tory party in Westminster and the 12 DUP MP's have had time to comb through it?
If it is still in place next Friday I for one will be surprised. I foresee another classic Maybot government "ABOUT TURN!"...
You could well be right. There had to come a point where Mrs May had to face down the more extreme elements i her party and the DUP, and that time is now.
We will have to see what the result of that facing down will be, but expect to see a lot of Jacob Rees Mogg, Owen Patterson and Peter Bone on our TV screens over the coming days."Yes I think those 3 will be pontificating especially Mr Mogg. Personally those who shout the loudest should be allowed to take over and see what they can do. We can then return to the "middle ages" and IF it goes wrong we can lynch then! | |||
"Lol it don't may might as well become a swinger she will be bent over a desk in Europe and will be begging for mercy soon
Do you actually believe this deal will survive once the hard right brexit wing of the Tory party in Westminster and the 12 DUP MP's have had time to comb through it?
If it is still in place next Friday I for one will be surprised. I foresee another classic Maybot government "ABOUT TURN!"...
You could well be right. There had to come a point where Mrs May had to face down the more extreme elements i her party and the DUP, and that time is now.
We will have to see what the result of that facing down will be, but expect to see a lot of Jacob Rees Mogg, Owen Patterson and Peter Bone on our TV screens over the coming days.
Yes I think those 3 will be pontificating especially Mr Mogg. Personally those who shout the loudest should be allowed to take over and see what they can do. We can then return to the "middle ages" and IF it goes wrong we can lynch then!"Add in red faced Cash and it'll be like watching rant swivel eyed loon TV.. Maybe it's time for the less EU hating tories to step up in the nations interest and put them back in their box, maybe chuck farage in too.. | |||
"Add in red faced Cash and it'll be like watching rant swivel eyed loon TV.. Maybe it's time for the less EU hating tories to step up in the nations interest and put them back in their box, maybe chuck farage in too.. " I think I favour ropes, noose(s), trees or preferably lampposts. And hang them all by the heels! 
PS A noose is not a knot and I can instruct any potential hang(wo)man the correct way to loop a collar.
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" We will have to see what the result of that facing down will be, but expect to see a lot of Jacob Rees Mogg, Owen Patterson and Peter Bone on our TV screens over the coming days." Ha ha ha Jacob Rees Mogg. A bigger reason to dump the whole Brexit stupidity I can't think of. How someone so removed from the modern progressive world got elected is a mystery to me! | |||
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"It's a Mess ! Show some Bollocks ! Tell the EU to Stuff it ! Just Leave !!!" It's a Mess! Show some Bollocks! Admit to the EU how stupid we've been. Just sign up as Full Members and cracked on with the one State ideal. | |||
"It's a Mess ! Show some Bollocks ! Tell the EU to Stuff it ! Just Leave !!!" That does seem to be the view of half the cabinet and much of the country.  | |||
"It's a Mess ! Show some Bollocks ! Tell the EU to Stuff it ! Just Leave !!! That does seem to be the view of half the cabinet and much of the country. "Yup. Less than a third of the country voted for Brexit. But still we are doing it. Hey-ho. It's a funny old game innit. | |||
"It's a Mess ! Show some Bollocks ! Tell the EU to Stuff it ! Just Leave !!! That does seem to be the view of half the cabinet and much of the country.
Yup. Less than a third of the country voted for Brexit. But still we are doing it. Hey-ho. It's a funny old game innit."Don't worry I sense a mutiny aboard the good ship brittania.We are going rogue. | |||
"It's a Mess ! Show some Bollocks ! Tell the EU to Stuff it ! Just Leave !!!" That ship has now sailed. If you dont make a deal then you will have full regulatory alignment across the UK and EU. There isnt a no deal / just leave option anymore. We're past that point. | |||
"That ship has now sailed. If you dont make a deal then you will have full regulatory alignment across the UK and EU. There isnt a no deal / just leave option anymore. We're past that point." Not so... Admittedly it does look as if there will be a deal in the end, but considering that just prior to the referendum it looked as if the UK would vote to remain I would not be counting chickens before the eggs hatch... | |||
"That ship has now sailed. If you dont make a deal then you will have full regulatory alignment across the UK and EU. There isnt a no deal / just leave option anymore. We're past that point. Not so... Admittedly it does look as if there will be a deal in the end, but considering that just prior to the referendum it looked as if the UK would vote to remain I would not be counting chickens before the eggs hatch..." The eggs have hatched. The agreement on the first phase this week means that in the event of no deal the island of Ireland will have regulatory alignment. And the Northern Assembly has veto power on any changes Westminster could make that would cause divergence. So in effect the deals made this week mean that at worst the UK will have regulatory alignment with the EU now. | |||
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"The first phase agreement on its own is not binding unless the second phase is agreed and accepted by all parties. Some one earlier mentioned counting chickens before they hatch, you have done just that. Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. Second paragraph of Core Principles: http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2017/04/29/euco-brexit-guidelines/#" If only someone had told May about these, she wouldn't have made such a tit of herself trying to make individual agreements with member states earlier in the year. | |||
"The first phase agreement on its own is not binding unless the second phase is agreed and accepted by all parties. Some one earlier mentioned counting chickens before they hatch, you have done just that. Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. Second paragraph of Core Principles: http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2017/04/29/euco-brexit-guidelines/#" The first phase agreement is binding, thats the point. The UK treasury has said the Brexit bill is due whether phase 2 is successful or not. The Irish government has said the border agreement they signed up to is binding with a successful second phase or not. Finally David Davis has said its not binding, proof positive that it must be because hes been wrong about everything so far. Joking aside, of course its binding, it has a clause in there for what happens if theres not a successful phase 2, what in earth would the point in that be if its not binding without agreement?? And your link is long out of date by the way. | |||
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"Just incase anyone doubts the inherent wrongness of David Davis on everything (no seriously, there are still people that think he's worth listening to!) Article 46 of the agreement that Thersa May and the EU signed states that "The commitments and the principles...are made and must be upheld in all circumstances, irrespective of the nature of any future agreement between the European Union and the United Kingdom". The border deal is agreed, the bill will be paid and the rights of citizens have been protected." Luckily for us David Davis is negotiating on behalf of the UK and forms part of the government which was 're elected with a majority away ahead of any other party . Given the choice between listening to the advice on an internet forum such as this ( I am guessing but I do not think that the audience on a forum such as this is more than about ten readers ) and taking advice and trusting the judgement of a cabinet minister whose every movement/ decision is monitored day in / day out I like like a significant majority of the population rely on the cabinet to negotiate on out behalf . | |||
"Would anyone want to continue a negotiation with someone who has publicly stated that what they are agreeing to is not binding? " Great question. That is the EU,s position, nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. | |||
"Just incase anyone doubts the inherent wrongness of David Davis on everything (no seriously, there are still people that think he's worth listening to!) Article 46 of the agreement that Thersa May and the EU signed states that "The commitments and the principles...are made and must be upheld in all circumstances, irrespective of the nature of any future agreement between the European Union and the United Kingdom". The border deal is agreed, the bill will be paid and the rights of citizens have been protected. Luckily for us David Davis is negotiating on behalf of the UK and forms part of the government which was 're elected with a majority away ahead of any other party . Given the choice between listening to the advice on an internet forum such as this ( I am guessing but I do not think that the audience on a forum such as this is more than about ten readers ) and taking advice and trusting the judgement of a cabinet minister whose every movement/ decision is monitored day in / day out I like like a significant majority of the population rely on the cabinet to negotiate on out behalf ." A cabinet minister who has been described by a member of his own party as having committed an 'outstanding dereliction of duty' for not having produced impact assesments, for saying that the assessments that have been completed are not very good, and admitting that he hasn't read a single one of them. Davis is fucking awful at his job. He didn't even take a bit of paper or a pen to the opening of the negotiations. The other side were prepared with thick dossiers of intricate work. He had nothing. | |||
"Just incase anyone doubts the inherent wrongness of David Davis on everything (no seriously, there are still people that think he's worth listening to!) Article 46 of the agreement that Thersa May and the EU signed states that "The commitments and the principles...are made and must be upheld in all circumstances, irrespective of the nature of any future agreement between the European Union and the United Kingdom". The border deal is agreed, the bill will be paid and the rights of citizens have been protected. Luckily for us David Davis is negotiating on behalf of the UK and forms part of the government which was 're elected with a majority away ahead of any other party . Given the choice between listening to the advice on an internet forum such as this ( I am guessing but I do not think that the audience on a forum such as this is more than about ten readers ) and taking advice and trusting the judgement of a cabinet minister whose every movement/ decision is monitored day in / day out I like like a significant majority of the population rely on the cabinet to negotiate on out behalf ." all that serves to do is to indicate that for yourself such incompetence as Davis has shown several times is acceptable.. not much news there then.. | |||
"They have agreed "in principle", nothing is yet set in stone. Theres that phrase again in paragraph 5, nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/665869/Joint_report_on_progress_during_phase_1_of_negotiations_under_Article_50_TEU_on_the_United_Kingdom_s_orderly_withdrawal_from_the_European_Union.pdf" Yes Paragraph 5 says nothing is agreed until everything is agreed, so that if there adaptations agreed to by all parties in the 2nd half they will take priority. But that still doesnt change the fact if nothing further is agreed then the regulatory alignment comes into effect. This is an agreement. It has been signed by all parties. It has the weight of any other international agreement. | |||
"Just incase anyone doubts the inherent wrongness of David Davis on everything (no seriously, there are still people that think he's worth listening to!) Article 46 of the agreement that Thersa May and the EU signed states that "The commitments and the principles...are made and must be upheld in all circumstances, irrespective of the nature of any future agreement between the European Union and the United Kingdom". The border deal is agreed, the bill will be paid and the rights of citizens have been protected. Luckily for us David Davis is negotiating on behalf of the UK and forms part of the government which was 're elected with a majority away ahead of any other party . Given the choice between listening to the advice on an internet forum such as this ( I am guessing but I do not think that the audience on a forum such as this is more than about ten readers ) and taking advice and trusting the judgement of a cabinet minister whose every movement/ decision is monitored day in / day out I like like a significant majority of the population rely on the cabinet to negotiate on out behalf ." Luckily for us Ill be taking the advice and judgement of a countries leader who out ranks a cabinet secretary. I prefer to trust someone with a track record of credibility. Luckily for my preference I wouldnt listen to cyber keyboard warriors or cabinet ministers who have lied to their own parliament this month. | |||
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"Yet Davis himself said it was not "legally enforceable" today on BBC. But you know better!" Well yes I referenced that a few posts ago. Davis and Gove are putting excuses out in the media to try and quell the Tory split on Brexit. Theyve come out and said different things to try and make the agreement more palatable (Gove: Voters can change agreement. Davis: Its not an agreement its a statement of intent) Davis has been shown up as a liar this week. He has zero credibility and he has been very publicly sidelined in the negotiations by the end with May taking over the lead. Common sense, the EU and the Irish government all say that of course the agreement is binding. It would be absolutely pointless otherwise. The Tories have aaid all along their intent was to have no hard border, if this agreement isnt binding then we've not moved on at all. Even the DUP say this agreement is binding because they have changed the language to get guarantees from May. Davis' comments have already been called bizarre. "My question to anybody within the British Government would be, why would there be an agreement, a set of principled agreements, in order to get to phase two, if they weren't going to be held up? That just sounds bizarre to me." Joe McHugh of the Irish government. And the UK treasury has also said its binding. On one side you have the EU,DUP, UK treasury and the Irish government saying its binding. On the other you have someone who's been shown up as dishonest and a liar, to his party, to his constituents and to parliament. Use your head and tell who's got more credibility. | |||
"Yet Davis himself said it was not "legally enforceable" today on BBC. But you know better! Well yes I referenced that a few posts ago. Davis and Gove are putting excuses out in the media to try and quell the Tory split on Brexit. Theyve come out and said different things to try and make the agreement more palatable (Gove: Voters can change agreement. Davis: Its not an agreement its a statement of intent) Davis has been shown up as a liar this week. He has zero credibility and he has been very publicly sidelined in the negotiations by the end with May taking over the lead. Common sense, the EU and the Irish government all say that of course the agreement is binding. It would be absolutely pointless otherwise. The Tories have aaid all along their intent was to have no hard border, if this agreement isnt binding then we've not moved on at all. Even the DUP say this agreement is binding because they have changed the language to get guarantees from May. Davis' comments have already been called bizarre. "My question to anybody within the British Government would be, why would there be an agreement, a set of principled agreements, in order to get to phase two, if they weren't going to be held up? That just sounds bizarre to me." Joe McHugh of the Irish government. And the UK treasury has also said its binding. On one side you have the EU,DUP, UK treasury and the Irish government saying its binding. On the other you have someone who's been shown up as dishonest and a liar, to his party, to his constituents and to parliament. Use your head and tell who's got more credibility." Personnally I will be accepting the opinion of a cabinet minister who is involved in the negotiations and has access to all the relevant documents .( quoting one clause of an agreement is meaningless as there may be other clauses that override it ). In real life no one would walk up to someone and call them both dishonest and a liar. It is very easy to type out those words on an internet forum. | |||
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" Personnally I will be accepting the opinion of a cabinet minister who is involved in the negotiations and has access to all the relevant documents .( quoting one clause of an agreement is meaningless as there may be other clauses that override it ). In real life no one would walk up to someone and call them both dishonest and a liar. It is very easy to type out those words on an internet forum. " Luckily I dont have to take the word of one caninet minister who's been shown as a liar this week. I prefer to take the word of three cabinet ministers, the leader of Ireland, the leader of the DUP and the document itself. Luckily our luck is in and as luck would have it the UK treasury has confirmed that the agreement is binding. In real life liars get called liars often. In fact the word liar actually predates both the internet and the printing press proving that people were called liars face to face. Luckily I prefer to believe the words in the document instead of an internet keyboard warrior. In real life it is much more difficult to lie to peoples faces wheras its easy for you to be dishonest from a cyberspace home adjacent to the internet information cyber highway. | |||
"And all you have again done is shown you are unable or incapable of understanding and accepting what is obvious..
Land of la la.. "My preference is to treat other people with respect. In real life no one is going to walk up to a cabinet minister and call them a liar and dishonest . | |||
"And all you have again done is shown you are unable or incapable of understanding and accepting what is obvious..
Land of la la.. My preference is to treat other people with respect. In real life no one is going to walk up to a cabinet minister and call them a liar and dishonest . "Luckily your hate speech towards other posters on here says a lot more about you than it does any of us. When you say someone else isnt being respectful its actually a reflection of your own lack of respect. | |||
"And all you have again done is shown you are unable or incapable of understanding and accepting what is obvious..
Land of la la.. My preference is to treat other people with respect. In real life no one is going to walk up to a cabinet minister and call them a liar and dishonest . "I know you hate any information that goes contrary to what you think. But maybe watch one of the debates in the House of Commons one day. They are pretty forthright with what they say. So long as they preface what they say with ‘The right honerable’... then they call each all other all sorts face to face. -Matt | |||
"And all you have again done is shown you are unable or incapable of understanding and accepting what is obvious..
Land of la la.. My preference is to treat other people with respect. In real life no one is going to walk up to a cabinet minister and call them a liar and dishonest .
Luckily your hate speech towards other posters on here says a lot more about you than it does any of us. When you say someone else isnt being respectful its actually a reflection of your own lack of respect."I prefer to make judgement on what happens in real life , not from a few random comments from a few posters on an internet forum such as this . Treating people with respect is an attribute which most people prefer to adhere to, not many people are going to call a Cabinet Minister both a liar and dishonest. You could of course argue that what is written on here is irrelevant in any event . I would be surprised if more than ten peoole bothered reading the politics forum on a site such as this . | |||
" I prefer to make judgement on what happens in real life , not from a few random comments from a few posters on an internet forum such as this . Treating people with respect is an attribute which most people prefer to adhere to, not many people are going to call a Cabinet Minister both a liar and dishonest. You could of course argue that what is written on here is irrelevant in any event . I would be surprised if more than ten peoole bothered reading the politics forum on a site such as this . " You calling what happens here irrelevant is just a reflection of your own irrelevance. In real life most people wouldnt call others irrelevant and disrespectful to their face, in fact Im not sure if its ever happened in all of human history. Maybe the dinosaurs did but who believes in them? Luckily I prefer to not listen to your keyboard warrior antics. Putting across the idea that politicians are trustworthy and honest is nothing less than logic vandalism of the highest order. Luckily Jeremy Corbin is not someone anyone would call dishonest or incompetent to his face and I prefer to believe that he will lead the UK into the land of tomorrow with wealth,health and happiness for all, not one person excluded. Luckily your informational terrorism is unlikely to be heard in real life and we can all look forward to the unrivalled, uncompromising and enlightened rule of what will surely be one of Britains greatest ever leaders. | |||
"And all you have again done is shown you are unable or incapable of understanding and accepting what is obvious..
Land of la la.. My preference is to treat other people with respect. In real life no one is going to walk up to a cabinet minister and call them a liar and dishonest .
Luckily your hate speech towards other posters on here says a lot more about you than it does any of us. When you say someone else isnt being respectful its actually a reflection of your own lack of respect. I prefer to make judgement on what happens in real life , not from a few random comments from a few posters on an internet forum such as this . Treating people with respect is an attribute which most people prefer to adhere to, not many people are going to call a Cabinet Minister both a liar and dishonest.
You could of course argue that what is written on here is irrelevant in any event . I would be surprised if more than ten peoole bothered reading the politics forum on a site such as this . "Pat, I know that 'this is just a random internet forum, it is not real life' is your standard recourse when presented with overwhelming evidence against your argument. But, as I've said before, the part I find really scary, is I genuinely think that you actually believe the things you say. I could put it down to you just being a troll and winding people up. But I don't think that is the case. I don't think you are dishonest. I think you actually, really, genuinely believe the stuff you write on here. And that is quite scary. As you are not alone, I'm sure. It is one of the reasons I bother with these discussions on here, as I try to understand the other viewpoint. But with you, I just can't work it out. I mean, take you comment above about you can't believe that many people are going to call a cabinet minister a liar. Open your eyes, man! Not only are half the population saying it, the press are saying it, even several other MPs are saying it. I mean just typing 'MPs calling David Davis a liar' into google and pages come up... the first one a tweet from David Lammy: "At what point is @DavidDavisMP going to be held to account for such blatant lying? He must surely now resign. He simply can not be allowed to go around lying to Parliament and the British public in this way. Mendacious, conceited, vain, duplicitous, wholly unfit for office." You might not agree with the sentiment, that is fine. But to deny that anyone would say it?! really?! You don't do yourself any favours with your refusal to see what is right in front of you. As for you'd be surprised if more than 10 people read the politics forum on here. There are over 10 people who regularly contribute to this forum. Pretty much every thread has over 10 contributors alone. You are deluded. -Matt | |||
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"And all you have again done is shown you are unable or incapable of understanding and accepting what is obvious..
Land of la la.. My preference is to treat other people with respect. In real life no one is going to walk up to a cabinet minister and call them a liar and dishonest .
Luckily your hate speech towards other posters on here says a lot more about you than it does any of us. When you say someone else isnt being respectful its actually a reflection of your own lack of respect. I prefer to make judgement on what happens in real life , not from a few random comments from a few posters on an internet forum such as this . Treating people with respect is an attribute which most people prefer to adhere to, not many people are going to call a Cabinet Minister both a liar and dishonest.
You could of course argue that what is written on here is irrelevant in any event . I would be surprised if more than ten peoole bothered reading the politics forum on a site such as this .
Pat,
I know that 'this is just a random internet forum, it is not real life' is your standard recourse when presented with overwhelming evidence against your argument. But, as I've said before, the part I find really scary, is I genuinely think that you actually believe the things you say. I could put it down to you just being a troll and winding people up. But I don't think that is the case. I don't think you are dishonest. I think you actually, really, genuinely believe the stuff you write on here. And that is quite scary. As you are not alone, I'm sure. It is one of the reasons I bother with these discussions on here, as I try to understand the other viewpoint. But with you, I just can't work it out.
I mean, take you comment above about you can't believe that many people are going to call a cabinet minister a liar. Open your eyes, man! Not only are half the population saying it, the press are saying it, even several other MPs are saying it. I mean just typing 'MPs calling David Davis a liar' into google and pages come up... the first one a tweet from David Lammy:
"At what point is @DavidDavisMP going to be held to account for such blatant lying? He must surely now resign. He simply can not be allowed to go around lying to Parliament and the British public in this way. Mendacious, conceited, vain, duplicitous, wholly unfit for office."
You might not agree with the sentiment, that is fine. But to deny that anyone would say it?! really?! You don't do yourself any favours with your refusal to see what is right in front of you.
As for you'd be surprised if more than 10 people read the politics forum on here. There are over 10 people who regularly contribute to this forum. Pretty much every thread has over 10 contributors alone.
You are deluded.
-Matt"Hi . All this information is noted and while interesting I only read these forums to pass idle time. It is hard to believe that anyone would take information on a forum such as this seriously. I note your points about Google search. However anyone can post a tweet and in many cases the true identity of the person making a tweet is hidden. To a certain extent Google search can be configured to achieve the result which you wish to achieve . I guess your points are very valid as many on the forum support them. However I make decisions on what happens in real life and I guess you do as well. My support is for the current government and their policies , you support a different party and assuming their policies are as good as you believe them to be night eventually be returned to government . I have never called people liars or dishonest and do not intend doing so now . I have thought threw all your comments in detail ( even though we are in Cyberland which is far removed from real life ). | |||
"And all you have again done is shown you are unable or incapable of understanding and accepting what is obvious..
Land of la la.. My preference is to treat other people with respect. In real life no one is going to walk up to a cabinet minister and call them a liar and dishonest .
Luckily your hate speech towards other posters on here says a lot more about you than it does any of us. When you say someone else isnt being respectful its actually a reflection of your own lack of respect. I prefer to make judgement on what happens in real life , not from a few random comments from a few posters on an internet forum such as this . Treating people with respect is an attribute which most people prefer to adhere to, not many people are going to call a Cabinet Minister both a liar and dishonest.
You could of course argue that what is written on here is irrelevant in any event . I would be surprised if more than ten peoole bothered reading the politics forum on a site such as this .
Pat,
I know that 'this is just a random internet forum, it is not real life' is your standard recourse when presented with overwhelming evidence against your argument. But, as I've said before, the part I find really scary, is I genuinely think that you actually believe the things you say. I could put it down to you just being a troll and winding people up. But I don't think that is the case. I don't think you are dishonest. I think you actually, really, genuinely believe the stuff you write on here. And that is quite scary. As you are not alone, I'm sure. It is one of the reasons I bother with these discussions on here, as I try to understand the other viewpoint. But with you, I just can't work it out.
I mean, take you comment above about you can't believe that many people are going to call a cabinet minister a liar. Open your eyes, man! Not only are half the population saying it, the press are saying it, even several other MPs are saying it. I mean just typing 'MPs calling David Davis a liar' into google and pages come up... the first one a tweet from David Lammy:
"At what point is @DavidDavisMP going to be held to account for such blatant lying? He must surely now resign. He simply can not be allowed to go around lying to Parliament and the British public in this way. Mendacious, conceited, vain, duplicitous, wholly unfit for office."
You might not agree with the sentiment, that is fine. But to deny that anyone would say it?! really?! You don't do yourself any favours with your refusal to see what is right in front of you.
As for you'd be surprised if more than 10 people read the politics forum on here. There are over 10 people who regularly contribute to this forum. Pretty much every thread has over 10 contributors alone.
You are deluded.
-Matt Hi . All this information is noted and while interesting I only read these forums to pass idle time. It is hard to believe that anyone would take information on a forum such as this seriously.
I note your points about Google search. However anyone can post a tweet and in many cases the true identity of the person making a tweet is hidden. To a certain extent Google search can be configured to achieve the result which you wish to achieve .
I guess your points are very valid as many on the forum support them.
However I make decisions on what happens in real life and I guess you do as well.
My support is for the current government and their policies , you support a different party and assuming their policies are as good as you believe them to be night eventually be returned to government .
I have never called people liars or dishonest and do not intend doing so now .
I have thought threw all your comments in detail ( even though we are in Cyberland which is far removed from real life ). "Take what is on here seriously or not... I don't care particularly of what you think on here. But the point I was making, and that you completely missed was that I think what you write on here is very indicative of what you actually think outside of here. And you have a vote. You have the power to change the course of the country. And that vote, combined with your inability to reason or see what is in front of you, then multiplied by thousands of other 'you's is what has got us into this mess. I watched an video today of James O'Brian on LBC and one of his callers. Now, you might discount him because you don't agree with his views. Fine. But this caller when asked why he voted to leave the EU said that there were too many 'Brown people' in the country. He went on to describe how there were too many Indians and Pakistanis in the hospital and supermarket he went to. James repeatedly pressed him as to which EU country has a majority population with a dark skin, and the caller couldn't name one. Because there isn't one. When repeatedly asked what 'brown skin people' has to do with voting to leave the EU, the caller couldn't explain why. That is an example of racism and illogical thinking that seems to be far too common in the UK. And it is ignorance like that the is driving this debate too much. -Matt | |||
"Lol it don't may might as well become a swinger she will be bent over a desk in Europe and will be begging for mercy soon
Do you actually believe this deal will survive once the hard right brexit wing of the Tory party in Westminster and the 12 DUP MP's have had time to comb through it?
If it is still in place next Friday I for one will be surprised. I foresee another classic Maybot government "ABOUT TURN!"...
"Your about to be surprised the DUP does not want a labour government at any cost and it is also a good deal May and her team have done surprisingly well,in fact very deel | |||
"And all you have again done is shown you are unable or incapable of understanding and accepting what is obvious..
Land of la la.. My preference is to treat other people with respect. In real life no one is going to walk up to a cabinet minister and call them a liar and dishonest . "then with respect you are either naive or a fool.. the guy has shown himself to be less than competent, less than honest and less than efficient in his performance thus far.. where he to be employed by a company he would have been removed from his role or shown the door and its fuck all to do with 'respect'.. | |||
"Just incase anyone doubts the inherent wrongness of David Davis on everything (no seriously, there are still people that think he's worth listening to!) Article 46 of the agreement that Thersa May and the EU signed states that "The commitments and the principles...are made and must be upheld in all circumstances, irrespective of the nature of any future agreement between the European Union and the United Kingdom". The border deal is agreed, the bill will be paid and the rights of citizens have been protected." The rights of European citizens have been protected but the rights of British citizens living in the EU have been very seriously eroded. Whereas European citizens living in the UK will have exactly the same rights as they have now, British citizens will not. British citizens living in the EU will retain the right to live and work in any country within the EU but will loose the right to live and work in any other EU state. Yet another example of the extremely poor negotiating skills of this current government. | |||
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"It's an awful pity Britain didn't have this negotiating team in 1922. Not only would Ireland have never ended up with the partition, but they'd probably have gotten Wales." Actually both teams are very similar... The 1922 team were Tories who fucked Ireland up to stay in power. Today's team are Tories who are willing to fuck Ireland (and the whole UK) up again to stay in power. In fact on second thoughts I would say they are exactly the same, placing party before nation although every one of them has taken an oath to serve and protect the UK. Seems the Tory leopards spots remain the same over centuries.  | |||
"And all you have again done is shown you are unable or incapable of understanding and accepting what is obvious..
Land of la la.. My preference is to treat other people with respect. In real life no one is going to walk up to a cabinet minister and call them a liar and dishonest .
then with respect you are either naive or a fool..
the guy has shown himself to be less than competent, less than honest and less than efficient in his performance thus far..
where he to be employed by a company he would have been removed from his role or shown the door and its fuck all to do with 'respect'..
"The fact that you see the need to use a swear word in a comment seems slightly odd. Just because someone states that someone is dishonest or incompetent does not mean it is true. I prefer to treat people with respect and recognise the hard work which they have undertaken. David Davis has successfully completed stage 1 of probably one of the most difficult tasks which any recent government has had to undertake . If by recognising this I am deemed to be a fool or naive it is a price that I am willing to pay . | |||
"Just because someone states that someone is dishonest or incompetent does not mean it is true. I prefer to treat people with respect and recognise the hard work which they have undertaken." i prefer to do my own research rather than listen to someone who constantly posts on internet forums such as these. it seems odd the fact that you haven't done any research into this matter but still post things held by a tiny miority of people in real life. the results of my prefered own research are quite clear when it comes to the fact that davis has stated things that are directly the opposite of the truth. Luckily for our country we have various nouns in our language which we can use to describe the sort of charcter that david davis is .... nouns such as deceiver, falsifier, fabricator, equivocator, prevaricator, fabulist and the most widely recognised noun which labels the facts, which is liar. | |||
"And all you have again done is shown you are unable or incapable of understanding and accepting what is obvious..
Land of la la.. My preference is to treat other people with respect. In real life no one is going to walk up to a cabinet minister and call them a liar and dishonest .
then with respect you are either naive or a fool..
the guy has shown himself to be less than competent, less than honest and less than efficient in his performance thus far..
where he to be employed by a company he would have been removed from his role or shown the door and its fuck all to do with 'respect'..
The fact that you see the need to use a swear word in a comment seems slightly odd.
Just because someone states that someone is dishonest or incompetent does not mean it is true. I prefer to treat people with respect and recognise the hard work which they have undertaken.
David Davis has successfully completed stage 1 of probably one of the most difficult tasks which any recent government has had to undertake .
If by recognising this I am deemed to be a fool or naive it is a price that I am willing to pay .
"take your head out of the sand.. btw its not the 1950's.. what Davis has done is to have made a statement yesterday which is at odds with his Chancellor and his PM who signed off on the current part of the deal in order to progress onto the trade talks and the transition period etc.. he has caused further confusion in the EU and put again into question the 'strategy' that the Government are pursuing, which is at odds with your perception of successful.. not sure in la la land if you have heard of the phrase 'singing from the same hymn sheet'?.. basic common sense practises in a negotiating team, collective agreement and an acceptance of the decisions made pre-negotiatitons and then don't within 48 hours start to go rogue.. in other words 'stay the fuck on message'.. | |||
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"Just because someone states that someone is dishonest or incompetent does not mean it is true. I prefer to treat people with respect and recognise the hard work which they have undertaken. i prefer to do my own research rather than listen to someone who constantly posts on internet forums such as these. it seems odd the fact that you haven't done any research into this matter but still post things held by a tiny miority of people in real life. the results of my prefered own research are quite clear when it comes to the fact that davis has stated things that are directly the opposite of the truth. Luckily for our country we have various nouns in our language which we can use to describe the sort of charcter that david davis is .... nouns such as deceiver, falsifier, fabricator, equivocator, prevaricator, fabulist and the most widely recognised noun which labels the facts, which is liar. " Luckily I prefer to have a viewpoint that I will never question and will ignore anything that contradicts it. Research, facts and reality all get in the way in my opinion. After many years of reading the Daily Mail (widely regarded as the worlds greatest paper) I have a keen sense of what facts are relevant and which ones to ignore at all costs. I will not, under any circumstances, seek out to defame St. Davis. People claim that he admitted to lying about the existance of Brexit research for over a year, however this is merely internet gossip as if it was true the Mail would have covered it. Luckiky I prefer and have become quite good at completely dismissing the realities of the world that conflict with my opinions. If the Daily Mail didnt publish it then it is not important. I find it odd that myopia and little englander attitudes are abandoned by todays youth, for that is what made Britain great in the first place. As the great philospher Richard Littlejohn once said "A life unexamined is a life for a Tory". In closing I find it odd that you think I wont be completely dismissive of anything and everything that questions my viewpoints. I prefer to post on here contributing nothing to the discourse as I provide no information, no insights and will ignore everything you say while subtley painting myself and my kind as martyrs to online cyber e-bullying. In all my time posting here I have learned nothing, changed no opinions and have no desire to be better informed and Ive never been happier. In real life I would wish you good day, but as you and your facts only exist in cyberland I bid you good cybering in the name of St George, England and The Glorious Maybot, first of her name. | |||
"It's a Mess ! Show some Bollocks ! Tell the EU to Stuff it ! Just Leave !!! That does seem to be the view of half the cabinet and much of the country.
Yup. Less than a third of the country voted for Brexit. But still we are doing it. Hey-ho. It's a funny old game innit."While it’s true that less than a third (of the population) voted to leave....sadly slightly less of us voted to remain! Unfortunately that’s how democracy works in a one issue, simple majority referendum...... | |||
"Finally David Davis has said its not binding, proof positive that it must be because hes been wrong about everything so far. " David Davis has said today that of course the agreement is legally binding. I hope everyone that thought he was more likely to be right than some random faceless Irish person on the internet feels a fitting amount of shame. If David Davis says its cold out then stick on the sunscreen because its going to be a scorcher. If you havent learned how dishonest and duplicitious he is by now then Im afraid youre beyond hope. | |||
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"David Davis is required to shut up by international treaty. Marvellous." if its possible, could Gove and Borris not also be on that too..? | |||
"David Davis is to singled out for censure in Wednesdays vote on progression of the Brexit talks for undermining trust between the EU and the UK over his comments claiming the agreement was a statement of intent. He's having some month. Escapes censure from his own parliament for a year of lies because MPs put party first and then gets sidelined in the negotiations he's supposed to be leading because hes not making progress and then ends up getting censured for undermining international relations with the UKs closest political ally and economic partner. Whats next?" It is beyond remarkable that he is still in his job. The writing must be on the wall now though huh?.. Surely?.... | |||
"David Davis is to singled out for censure in Wednesdays vote on progression of the Brexit talks for undermining trust between the EU and the UK over his comments claiming the agreement was a statement of intent. He's having some month. Escapes censure from his own parliament for a year of lies because MPs put party first and then gets sidelined in the negotiations he's supposed to be leading because hes not making progress and then ends up getting censured for undermining international relations with the UKs closest political ally and economic partner. Whats next? It is beyond remarkable that he is still in his job. The writing must be on the wall now though huh?.. Surely?...." Nope, sorry.. Tories are abiding by the high standards set across the pond so in reality there's much more to go.. | |||
"David Davis is to singled out for censure in Wednesdays vote on progression of the Brexit talks for undermining trust between the EU and the UK over his comments claiming the agreement was a statement of intent. He's having some month. Escapes censure from his own parliament for a year of lies because MPs put party first and then gets sidelined in the negotiations he's supposed to be leading because hes not making progress and then ends up getting censured for undermining international relations with the UKs closest political ally and economic partner. Whats next?" Luckily for David Davis Margaritas Schinas the EU chief spokesman has said that he agrees with the comments by David Davis . Formally speaking the joint report is not legally binding. There will of course always be those who criticise success but hopefully most UK voters will recognise what David Davis have achieved so far and be greatfull for the effort which he has put in. | |||
"David Davis is to singled out for censure in Wednesdays vote on progression of the Brexit talks for undermining trust between the EU and the UK over his comments claiming the agreement was a statement of intent. He's having some month. Escapes censure from his own parliament for a year of lies because MPs put party first and then gets sidelined in the negotiations he's supposed to be leading because hes not making progress and then ends up getting censured for undermining international relations with the UKs closest political ally and economic partner. Whats next? Luckily for David Davis Margaritas Schinas the EU chief spokesman has said that he agrees with the comments by David Davis . Formally speaking the joint report is not legally binding. There will of course always be those who criticise success but hopefully most UK voters will recognise what David Davis have achieved so far and be greatfull for the effort which he has put in. " Belgium MEP Guy Verhofstadt has also admitted last Fridays agreement was not legally binding. | |||
" Luckily for David Davis Margaritas Schinas the EU chief spokesman has said that he agrees with the comments by David Davis . Formally speaking the joint report is not legally binding. There will of course always be those who criticise success but hopefully most UK voters will recognise what David Davis have achieved so far and be greatfull for the effort which he has put in. " Luckily for Europe as a whole,the disreputable David Davis fresh off his vote to be censured by his own government will now lose the vote that will censure him in the EU. I prefer to use reality to judge situations and luckily we can all see that within the space of 3 weeks David Davis has faced two votes by 2 different bodies for censure. In septembers opinion poll most Tory voters have no opinion or a negative opinion on Davis and thats hardly been improved by his disastrous december. | |||
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