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Coalition of Chaos: Torys concede, DUP dont
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"I guess May is caught between the Devil and the DUP." Ha! You have a career as a headline writer ahead of you 
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"Scotland is on a definite trajectory towards independence, aided in no small measure by the current Westminster chaos and the actions of the orange extremists in Ulster, not to mention the realisation by a good number of NO voters that the better together promises and the infamous Broon vow were nothing but lies and deception. The unionists know it too, as displayed by the relentless anti-SNP lies and propaganda in the MSM and from Colonial Quay (BBC Jockland. Details aside, awful Arlene and her stubborn colleagues are not only unwilling to accept the fundamental contradictions of brexit for Ireland, but they are unable to allow for the possibility that the union which they, more than anyone, cherish and on which their whole identity is based.....has a limited lifespan. Brexit has degenerated into a complete fiasco and it could usher in the disintegration of the artificial construct known as the UK. Born of a shotgun wedding, it's an abusive relationship which, once gone, offers hope to the four nations to enjoy a more healthy and mutually respectful relationship. With the island of Ireland rightfully reunited, of course. " But if the majority of NI want to remain in the UK ? do you force reunification onto them ? | |||
"Scotland is on a definite trajectory towards independence, aided in no small measure by the current Westminster chaos and the actions of the orange extremists in Ulster, not to mention the realisation by a good number of NO voters that the better together promises and the infamous Broon vow were nothing but lies and deception. The unionists know it too, as displayed by the relentless anti-SNP lies and propaganda in the MSM and from Colonial Quay (BBC Jockland. Details aside, awful Arlene and her stubborn colleagues are not only unwilling to accept the fundamental contradictions of brexit for Ireland, but they are unable to allow for the possibility that the union which they, more than anyone, cherish and on which their whole identity is based.....has a limited lifespan. Brexit has degenerated into a complete fiasco and it could usher in the disintegration of the artificial construct known as the UK. Born of a shotgun wedding, it's an abusive relationship which, once gone, offers hope to the four nations to enjoy a more healthy and mutually respectful relationship. With the island of Ireland rightfully reunited, of course. But if the majority of NI want to remain in the UK ? do you force reunification onto them ?" By 2021 that balance will have changed | |||
"Scotland is on a definite trajectory towards independence, aided in no small measure by the current Westminster chaos and the actions of the orange extremists in Ulster, not to mention the realisation by a good number of NO voters that the better together promises and the infamous Broon vow were nothing but lies and deception. The unionists know it too, as displayed by the relentless anti-SNP lies and propaganda in the MSM and from Colonial Quay (BBC Jockland. Details aside, awful Arlene and her stubborn colleagues are not only unwilling to accept the fundamental contradictions of brexit for Ireland, but they are unable to allow for the possibility that the union which they, more than anyone, cherish and on which their whole identity is based.....has a limited lifespan. Brexit has degenerated into a complete fiasco and it could usher in the disintegration of the artificial construct known as the UK. Born of a shotgun wedding, it's an abusive relationship which, once gone, offers hope to the four nations to enjoy a more healthy and mutually respectful relationship. With the island of Ireland rightfully reunited, of course. But if the majority of NI want to remain in the UK ? do you force reunification onto them ?" The majority of NI also voted to remain in the EU, just saying. Lets take it County by County, we'll take anyone County that wants to join the Republic and Britain can have the rest  | |||
"Scotland is on a definite trajectory towards independence, aided in no small measure by the current Westminster chaos and the actions of the orange extremists in Ulster, not to mention the realisation by a good number of NO voters that the better together promises and the infamous Broon vow were nothing but lies and deception. The unionists know it too, as displayed by the relentless anti-SNP lies and propaganda in the MSM and from Colonial Quay (BBC Jockland. Details aside, awful Arlene and her stubborn colleagues are not only unwilling to accept the fundamental contradictions of brexit for Ireland, but they are unable to allow for the possibility that the union which they, more than anyone, cherish and on which their whole identity is based.....has a limited lifespan. Brexit has degenerated into a complete fiasco and it could usher in the disintegration of the artificial construct known as the UK. Born of a shotgun wedding, it's an abusive relationship which, once gone, offers hope to the four nations to enjoy a more healthy and mutually respectful relationship. With the island of Ireland rightfully reunited, of course. But if the majority of NI want to remain in the UK ? do you force reunification onto them ? By 2021 that balance will have changed " If it has then so be it yes but if not then no it shouldn't. | |||
"I guess May is caught between the Devil and the DUP." 
well penned Sir..
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"Scotland is on a definite trajectory towards independence, aided in no small measure by the current Westminster chaos and the actions of the orange extremists in Ulster, not to mention the realisation by a good number of NO voters that the better together promises and the infamous Broon vow were nothing but lies and deception. The unionists know it too, as displayed by the relentless anti-SNP lies and propaganda in the MSM and from Colonial Quay (BBC Jockland. Details aside, awful Arlene and her stubborn colleagues are not only unwilling to accept the fundamental contradictions of brexit for Ireland, but they are unable to allow for the possibility that the union which they, more than anyone, cherish and on which their whole identity is based.....has a limited lifespan. Brexit has degenerated into a complete fiasco and it could usher in the disintegration of the artificial construct known as the UK. Born of a shotgun wedding, it's an abusive relationship which, once gone, offers hope to the four nations to enjoy a more healthy and mutually respectful relationship. With the island of Ireland rightfully reunited, of course. But if the majority of NI want to remain in the UK ? do you force reunification onto them ?" But the majority of NI wanted to remain in the EU do you force NI out out the EU and single market and customs union ? | |||
"Scotland is on a definite trajectory towards independence, aided in no small measure by the current Westminster chaos and the actions of the orange extremists in Ulster, not to mention the realisation by a good number of NO voters that the better together promises and the infamous Broon vow were nothing but lies and deception. The unionists know it too, as displayed by the relentless anti-SNP lies and propaganda in the MSM and from Colonial Quay (BBC Jockland. Details aside, awful Arlene and her stubborn colleagues are not only unwilling to accept the fundamental contradictions of brexit for Ireland, but they are unable to allow for the possibility that the union which they, more than anyone, cherish and on which their whole identity is based.....has a limited lifespan. Brexit has degenerated into a complete fiasco and it could usher in the disintegration of the artificial construct known as the UK. Born of a shotgun wedding, it's an abusive relationship which, once gone, offers hope to the four nations to enjoy a more healthy and mutually respectful relationship. With the island of Ireland rightfully reunited, of course. But if the majority of NI want to remain in the UK ? do you force reunification onto them ? By 2021 that balance will have changed " That maybe so but, if you want to keep peace on the island of Ireland, forcing a large number of people out of the UK against their will, even if by then they are no longer the majority, is not the best way to achieve it. | |||
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"Scotland is on a definite trajectory towards independence, aided in no small measure by the current Westminster chaos and the actions of the orange extremists in Ulster, not to mention the realisation by a good number of NO voters that the better together promises and the infamous Broon vow were nothing but lies and deception. The unionists know it too, as displayed by the relentless anti-SNP lies and propaganda in the MSM and from Colonial Quay (BBC Jockland. Details aside, awful Arlene and her stubborn colleagues are not only unwilling to accept the fundamental contradictions of brexit for Ireland, but they are unable to allow for the possibility that the union which they, more than anyone, cherish and on which their whole identity is based.....has a limited lifespan. Brexit has degenerated into a complete fiasco and it could usher in the disintegration of the artificial construct known as the UK. Born of a shotgun wedding, it's an abusive relationship which, once gone, offers hope to the four nations to enjoy a more healthy and mutually respectful relationship. With the island of Ireland rightfully reunited, of course. " Hope you noticed that Ruth Davidson came out of hiding and for the BBC Scotland fannies to give her the platform to attack Nicola Sturgeon lol You can smell the shite from these unionists lol panic stations and the thought of Scotland independence could arise from the mess the Tories are making of brexit lol What a fucking joke the Tories are making of this whole thing and trying to blame others lol You either give Scotland and NI special deals to stay in the single market and customs union or for the whole of the UK to stay in the single market and customs union Or i dread to think the worse part leaving the EU with no deal which would be a hard brexit which would make Scotland £30 billion worse off in a UK brexit and alot of jobs losts Just as well Scotland has that mandate for an independence referendum when the final brexit deal is known to fall back on to escape this madness and you wiuld all be welcome in an independent Scotland where we couldnt give a shit where you are born if you wanna call Scotland your home then by god your Scottish to us | |||
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"Kinky, which party has the majority of MPs in Scotland?" SNP - 63 MSP's in Scotland thats the majority SNP - 35 MP's in Westiminster which again is the majority of Scottish seats Next ? What else you wanna know ? lol | |||
"Kinky, which party has the majority of MPs in Scotland? SNP - 63 MSP's in Scotland thats the majority SNP - 35 MP's in Westiminster which again is the majority of Scottish seats Next ? What else you wanna know ? lol " Thanks for your quick reply! Thanks for the SNP figures but I'm just interested in MPs at Westminster. So, having the majority of MPs, the SNP has a mandate in Scotland? | |||
"Kinky, which party has the majority of MPs in Scotland? SNP - 63 MSP's in Scotland thats the majority SNP - 35 MP's in Westiminster which again is the majority of Scottish seats Next ? What else you wanna know ? lol Thanks for your quick reply! Thanks for the SNP figures but I'm just interested in MPs at Westminster. So, having the majority of MPs, the SNP has a mandate in Scotland?" Nae bother Yes having the majority of Scottish seats in Westminster the SNP have a mandate thats how it works the people of Scotland voted and send 35 SNP mp's into Westminster at that 35 is out of 59 Scottish seats do the math and that is a majority Who do you believe has a mandate in Scotland out of interest ? | |||
"Kinky, which party has the majority of MPs in Scotland? SNP - 63 MSP's in Scotland thats the majority SNP - 35 MP's in Westiminster which again is the majority of Scottish seats Next ? What else you wanna know ? lol Thanks for your quick reply! Thanks for the SNP figures but I'm just interested in MPs at Westminster. So, having the majority of MPs, the SNP has a mandate in Scotland? Nae bother Yes having the majority of Scottish seats in Westminster the SNP have a mandate thats how it works the people of Scotland voted and send 35 SNP mp's into Westminster at that 35 is out of 59 Scottish seats do the math and that is a majority Who do you believe has a mandate in Scotland out of interest ? " Cheers pal! Which party has the majority of MPs in Northern Ireland? | |||
"Kinky, which party has the majority of MPs in Scotland? SNP - 63 MSP's in Scotland thats the majority SNP - 35 MP's in Westiminster which again is the majority of Scottish seats Next ? What else you wanna know ? lol Thanks for your quick reply! Thanks for the SNP figures but I'm just interested in MPs at Westminster. So, having the majority of MPs, the SNP has a mandate in Scotland? Nae bother Yes having the majority of Scottish seats in Westminster the SNP have a mandate thats how it works the people of Scotland voted and send 35 SNP mp's into Westminster at that 35 is out of 59 Scottish seats do the math and that is a majority Who do you believe has a mandate in Scotland out of interest ? Cheers pal! Which party has the majority of MPs in Northern Ireland?" Ah see where this is going lol Right now there is no government in Stormont And you should know fine well Sinn Fein do not send Mp's to Westminster Next anything else you wanna know ? lol | |||
"Kinky, which party has the majority of MPs in Scotland? SNP - 63 MSP's in Scotland thats the majority SNP - 35 MP's in Westiminster which again is the majority of Scottish seats Next ? What else you wanna know ? lol Thanks for your quick reply! Thanks for the SNP figures but I'm just interested in MPs at Westminster. So, having the majority of MPs, the SNP has a mandate in Scotland? Nae bother Yes having the majority of Scottish seats in Westminster the SNP have a mandate thats how it works the people of Scotland voted and send 35 SNP mp's into Westminster at that 35 is out of 59 Scottish seats do the math and that is a majority Who do you believe has a mandate in Scotland out of interest ? Cheers pal! Which party has the majority of MPs in Northern Ireland? Ah see where this is going lol Right now there is no government in Stormont And you should know fine well Sinn Fein do not send Mp's to Westminster Next anything else you wanna know ? lol " Thank you for answering my questions! | |||
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"Scotland is on a definite trajectory towards independence, aided in no small measure by the current Westminster chaos and the actions of the orange extremists in Ulster, not to mention the realisation by a good number of NO voters that the better together promises and the infamous Broon vow were nothing but lies and deception. The unionists know it too, as displayed by the relentless anti-SNP lies and propaganda in the MSM and from Colonial Quay (BBC Jockland. Details aside, awful Arlene and her stubborn colleagues are not only unwilling to accept the fundamental contradictions of brexit for Ireland, but they are unable to allow for the possibility that the union which they, more than anyone, cherish and on which their whole identity is based.....has a limited lifespan. Brexit has degenerated into a complete fiasco and it could usher in the disintegration of the artificial construct known as the UK. Born of a shotgun wedding, it's an abusive relationship which, once gone, offers hope to the four nations to enjoy a more healthy and mutually respectful relationship. With the island of Ireland rightfully reunited, of course. But if the majority of NI want to remain in the UK ? do you force reunification onto them ? But the majority of NI wanted to remain in the EU do you force NI out out the EU and single market and customs union ? " And this is where the whole referendum/plebiscite argument starts to fall down, especially if major changes in the status quo are produced by a small simple majority. Northern Ireland is even more of a problem than anywhere else in the UK would be. Where is the democratic line of where 'the will' of the Irish People starts and ends? Northern Ireland, and its border with the republic, only exists, and only ever existed, to produce an area in Ireland that would have a "pro-unionist majority for next 100 years" (from 1920). Many would, and did, argue that it should never have been created in the first place (and I would probably have agreed with them but I would probably have also been against Irish independence in the 1920s also). However Northern Ireland does exist and it is now both a separate entity from the Republic of Ireland and Great Britain. Northern Ireland is not part of the Union of Great Britain, that Union is a union of Scotland and, England and Wales. The union Ireland was part of was the Union of Great Britain and Ireland. It's pedantic but important to note the difference. Scotland is in a union with England and Wales and that union makes Great Britain. Ireland was (and Northern Ireland still is) in a union with Great Britain and that Union (makes)made the United Kingdom of Great Britain and (Northern) Ireland. Northern Ireland has never been a part of the union of Great Britain and has never been in union with England, Scotland (although parts of each have been in union together) or Wales but it was, up until the 1920's, in full union with Ireland which itself was fully a part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Currently we seem to have got ourselves into the situation where change in the status quo in Northern Ireland is being decided by a simple majority vote of the whole of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland but where should we draw the line on who should be allowed to vote on Northern Irelands status (such as leaving the EU) and, if we can come a decision that is seen as fair by all sides, should a simple majority be allowed to change the current status quo or should it require a super majority of 55, 60 or even 65%. If the decision is made on only a simple majority, say 52% to 48% in favour of Northern Ireland reuniting with the Republic and that change from the status quo is forced on the other 48% do you really think that will lead to long term peace on the island of Ireland, or is it more likely to lead to even deeper division? Look how divvied we are here in the UK on 52% to 48% referendum leading to a much smaller change in the status quo. Unionist in Northern Ireland would not accept such a result. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland has a commitment under the Good Friday Agreements not to anything that would lead to the creation of any form of physical border on the island of Ireland. The only way a physical border on the island of Ireland can be avoided is if Northern Ireland and the Republic are in the same customs union. The only way to avoid a border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland is if Great Britain and Northern Ireland are in a customs union. Norther Ireland HAS to be in a customs union with the Republic in order for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to meet its obligations under the Good Friday Agreements. Northern Ireland wants to be in a customs uniom with Great Britain not least because Great Britain is Northern Ireland’s biggest trading partner. The DUP will not accept a deal which separated Northern Ireland from its current union, including customs union, with the UK. This means that Great Britain, Northern Ireland and the Republic HAVE to be in the same customs union, as we are now. This then leads to either the Republic leaving the EU’s customs union with the UK and forming a custom union with Great Britain and Northern Ireland or the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland remaining, with the Republic, in the EU’s customs union. There are no other options and anyone who tells you otherwise is simply selling you a pig in a poke. Which leads us back to the referendum/plebiscite question. Is it really democratic to give people a choice in a referendum when one of the options cannot be legally delivered and, if the people vote for the option that cannot be legally delivered, is it right to break all your international and legally binding commitments to try and deliver it? Democracy is not just about getting a simple majority for a particular point of view but also about living within the rule of law and keeping to your legally binding commitments, such as the Good Friday Agreement. | |||
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"Theresa May was to have spoken with Foster today to try and work out a deal on the border issue. Foster did not take her call and Downing St changed its information from a call today to the call will happen when it happens. With May due back in Brussells on Thursday to meet with Juncker we may end up facing May having to cancel the trip altogether as relations between the DUP and Tories hit their lowest point in years. 10 months in, 11 months until the trade deal has to be agreed and days to move on to phase 2 or waiting until March... has there every been a more chaotic side to a negotiation?" Sleep with dogs, catch fleas... Ask former terrorists who were willing to kill to stop a 'united Ireland' to prop up your weak and ineffectual government, you will be held to random at every opportunity and the one thing that is totally guaranteed is that they will destroy both the UK and Ireland rather than see a deal be done that they think may bring a united Ireland closer. Come to think about it that sounds just like the fanatical right brexit rump. So I guess the maybot and her whole government and party are getting exactly what they deserve. Of course Labour has it's problems too. A press that claim that the party is in crisis because it is 6 points ahead in the opinion polls. Blairites who are still undermining the leader who has been overwhelmingly elected by the membership (TWICE!) in another attempt to remove him, and a party that still is not in a position to expel these blairite tory interlopers. My god, my generation really are a bunch of no good, self-serving, corrupt degenerates who think 'it is all about me!'. | |||
"The more i think of it the more i agree with this person post on social media ''The plan in the British media is to con people in England into thinking Arlene Foster is the First Minister of northern Ireland Assembly (she isn't) and Ruth Davidson is First Minister of Scotland (she isn't), and thus that both those ladies speak for their country (they don't)'' " I've never seen either of the above referred to as such. Can you post links to articles where they do or is this fake news? | |||
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"Kinky, which party has the majority of MPs in Scotland? SNP - 63 MSP's in Scotland thats the majority SNP - 35 MP's in Westiminster which again is the majority of Scottish seats Next ? What else you wanna know ? lol Thanks for your quick reply! Thanks for the SNP figures but I'm just interested in MPs at Westminster. So, having the majority of MPs, the SNP has a mandate in Scotland? Nae bother Yes having the majority of Scottish seats in Westminster the SNP have a mandate thats how it works the people of Scotland voted and send 35 SNP mp's into Westminster at that 35 is out of 59 Scottish seats do the math and that is a majority Who do you believe has a mandate in Scotland out of interest ? Cheers pal! Which party has the majority of MPs in Northern Ireland? Ah see where this is going lol Right now there is no government in Stormont And you should know fine well Sinn Fein do not send Mp's to Westminster Next anything else you wanna know ? lol Thank you for answering my questions!" Kinky didn't answer your last question though. The DUP have the largest number of MP's in Westminster from Northern Ireland. According to Kinkys own words in this thread that gives the DUP a mandate in Northern Ireland, that's how it works, lol. | |||
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"Actually the snp have 62 seats of a Parliament of 129 members, wrong on seats and wrong on majority. You cannot believe a word he says. " To be fair, having the 'largest number' does not necessarily mean you have the 'majority'. The Conservatives do not have the 'majority' in the last few elections, yet still have the 'largest number' of seats. -Matt | |||
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"Kinky, which party has the majority of MPs in Scotland? SNP - 63 MSP's in Scotland thats the majority SNP - 35 MP's in Westiminster which again is the majority of Scottish seats Next ? What else you wanna know ? lol Thanks for your quick reply! Thanks for the SNP figures but I'm just interested in MPs at Westminster. So, having the majority of MPs, the SNP has a mandate in Scotland? Nae bother Yes having the majority of Scottish seats in Westminster the SNP have a mandate thats how it works the people of Scotland voted and send 35 SNP mp's into Westminster at that 35 is out of 59 Scottish seats do the math and that is a majority Who do you believe has a mandate in Scotland out of interest ? Cheers pal! Which party has the majority of MPs in Northern Ireland? Ah see where this is going lol Right now there is no government in Stormont And you should know fine well Sinn Fein do not send Mp's to Westminster Next anything else you wanna know ? lol Thank you for answering my questions! Kinky didn't answer your last question though. The DUP have the largest number of MP's in Westminster from Northern Ireland. According to Kinkys own words in this thread that gives the DUP a mandate in Northern Ireland, that's how it works, lol. " Unless of course you're Kinky. | |||
"Cheers pal! Which party has the majority of MPs in Northern Ireland? Ah see where this is going lol Right now there is no government in Stormont And you should know fine well Sinn Fein do not send Mp's to Westminster Next anything else you wanna know ? lol Thank you for answering my questions! Kinky didn't answer your last question though. The DUP have the largest number of MP's in Westminster from Northern Ireland. According to Kinkys own words in this thread that gives the DUP a mandate in Northern Ireland, that's how it works, lol. Unless of course you're Kinky." Even if Sinn Féin did send their 7 MPs to Westminster they would still have a 2 seat majority. As you said, by Kinky's reckoning this gives the DUP a mandate in Northern Ireland. Funny how he's gone quiet... | |||
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" Conservatives Votes – 13,667,213 Seats – 318 Vote Share – 42.4 Labour Votes – 12,874,985 Seats – 262 Vote Share – 40.0 Lib Dems Votes – 2,371,772 Seats – 12 Vote Share – 7.4 SNP Votes – 977,569 Seats – 35 Vote Share – 3.0 DUP Votes – 292,316 Seats – 10 Vote Share – 0.9 Sinn Fein Votes – 238,915 Seats – 7 Vote Share – 0.7 Plaid Cymru Votes – 164,466 Seats – 4 Vote Share – 0.5 Green Party Votes – 525,371 Seats – 1 Vote Share – 1.6 Votes for parties that won no seats UKIP – 593,852 SDLP – 95,419 UUP – 83,280 Alliance Party – 64,553 Yorkshire Party – 20,958 National Health Action – 16,119 Christian Peoples Alliance – 5,869 BNP – 4,642 Monster Raving Loony Party – 3,890 Women’s Equality Party – 3,580 Pirate Party – 2,321 English Democrats – 1,913 Workers Revolutionary Party – 771 Social Democratic Party – 469 Others – 186,675 (1 Independent seat held) " ??? | |||
"DUP, Ireland and UK have agreed the text for regulatory alignment. Mays meeting with Juncker now and press conference in about an hour. My bets on pointless language that has no change to the system agreed monday but makes the DUP feel like they won something. Probably along the lines of yes its regulatory alignment but honestly this doesnt change the union between the uk and ni. Honestly it doesnt. At all. Pinky swear you guys!" From what I can see this "Regularity Alignment" means that, while we're saying we're leaving customs union we will, in reality, remain in it and implement all the rules required to remain in it. So now we know that "taking back control" actually means accepting all the EU's customs union rules but having absolutely no say in their formation. I can't see that working out well long term. | |||
