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"I just want to give a shout out to the irish, keep up the good job, no retreat, no surrender "And ultimately holding the EU to ransom at the same time | |||
"I just want to give a shout out to the irish, keep up the good job, no retreat, no surrender
And ultimately holding the EU to ransom at the same time
"Although it is britain that want brexit, not eu. | |||
"I just want to give a shout out to the irish, keep up the good job, no retreat, no surrender
And ultimately holding the EU to ransom at the same time
Although it is britain that want brexit, not eu."I meant uk want brexit, not whole of britain. | |||
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"If only someone had warned the public of the consequences of their vote. "Well, how the feck did i know all tbis would kick up? I remember.. Unfortunately the "the troubles" Dark days i hope never return. I can see the viewpoint of sll sides and the first to say I dont have a fekin clue as to a solution | |||
"If only someone had warned the public of the consequences of their vote.
Well, how the feck did i know all tbis would kick up?
I remember.. Unfortunately the "the troubles"
Dark days i hope never return.
I can see the viewpoint of sll sides and the first to say
I dont have a fekin clue as to a solution "You're not the only who can't see a solution. The head of the WTO there is no frictionless border in the world between countries that aren't in a customs union. | |||
"If only someone had warned the public of the consequences of their vote.
Well, how the feck did i know all tbis would kick up?
I remember.. Unfortunately the "the troubles"
Dark days i hope never return.
I can see the viewpoint of sll sides and the first to say
I dont have a fekin clue as to a solution
You're not the only who can't see a solution. The head of the WTO there is no frictionless border in the world between countries that aren't in a customs union. ". I told you the solution ages ago. Carpet bomb cork  | |||
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"If only someone had warned the public of the consequences of their vote.
Well, how the feck did i know all tbis would kick up?
I remember.. Unfortunately the "the troubles"
Dark days i hope never return.
I can see the viewpoint of sll sides and the first to say
I dont have a fekin clue as to a solution
You're not the only who can't see a solution. The head of the WTO there is no frictionless border in the world between countries that aren't in a customs union. .
I told you the solution ages ago.
Carpet bomb cork"* This post was sponsored by BAE Systems and MBDA * | |||
"If only someone had warned the public of the consequences of their vote.
Well, how the feck did i know all tbis would kick up?
I remember.. Unfortunately the "the troubles"
Dark days i hope never return.
I can see the viewpoint of sll sides and the first to say
I dont have a fekin clue as to a solution
You're not the only who can't see a solution. The head of the WTO there is no frictionless border in the world between countries that aren't in a customs union. .
I told you the solution ages ago.
Carpet bomb cork
* This post was sponsored by BAE Systems and MBDA * ". See, it's economically and politically a bonus | |||
"If only someone had warned the public of the consequences of their vote.
Well, how the feck did i know all tbis would kick up?
I remember.. Unfortunately the "the troubles"
Dark days i hope never return.
I can see the viewpoint of sll sides and the first to say
I dont have a fekin clue as to a solution
You're not the only who can't see a solution. The head of the WTO there is no frictionless border in the world between countries that aren't in a customs union. .
I told you the solution ages ago.
Carpet bomb cork"Axminster or any open wove?  | |||
"If only someone had warned the public of the consequences of their vote.
Well, how the feck did i know all tbis would kick up?
I remember.. Unfortunately the "the troubles"
Dark days i hope never return.
I can see the viewpoint of sll sides and the first to say
I dont have a fekin clue as to a solution
You're not the only who can't see a solution. The head of the WTO there is no frictionless border in the world between countries that aren't in a customs union. .
I told you the solution ages ago.
Carpet bomb cork
* This post was sponsored by BAE Systems and MBDA * "And carpet fitters  | |||
"If only someone had warned the public of the consequences of their vote.
Well, how the feck did i know all tbis would kick up?
I remember.. Unfortunately the "the troubles"
Dark days i hope never return.
I can see the viewpoint of sll sides and the first to say
I dont have a fekin clue as to a solution
You're not the only who can't see a solution. The head of the WTO there is no frictionless border in the world between countries that aren't in a customs union. .
I told you the solution ages ago.
Carpet bomb cork
Axminster or any open wove? ". We could start of with just underlay and see if works before going defcon heavy weave | |||
"If only someone had warned the public of the consequences of their vote. "Stop worrying it will all get sorted | |||
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"I just want to give a shout out to the irish, keep up the good job, no retreat, no surrender
And ultimately holding the EU to ransom at the same time
"The EU agree with us though and are happy to back our position. Despite other claims we're not at all being unreasonable, its the UK who are trying to turn their back on the GFA. | |||
"I just want to give a shout out to the irish, keep up the good job, no retreat, no surrender
And ultimately holding the EU to ransom at the same time
The EU agree with us though and are happy to back our position. Despite other claims we're not at all being unreasonable, its the UK who are trying to turn their back on the GFA."The EU don't want the headache of the Irish border, that's why they set it as a condition It's EU policy to have hard borders between it's own member states and those outside the EU or outside the Customs Union (Gibraltar an example) If talks fail or no agreement ..... The onus is back on the EU to set hard border controls | |||
"If only someone had warned the public of the consequences of their vote. Stop worrying it will all get sorted"just think happy thoughts. | |||
"If only someone had warned the public of the consequences of their vote. Stop worrying it will all get sortedjust think happy thoughts. "Lie back and think of England. | |||
"I just want to give a shout out to the irish, keep up the good job, no retreat, no surrender
And ultimately holding the EU to ransom at the same time
The EU agree with us though and are happy to back our position. Despite other claims we're not at all being unreasonable, its the UK who are trying to turn their back on the GFA.
The EU don't want the headache of the Irish border, that's why they set it as a condition
It's EU policy to have hard borders between it's own member states and those outside the EU or outside the Customs Union (Gibraltar an example)
If talks fail or no agreement ..... The onus is back on the EU to set hard border controls
"Spectacularly uninformed. Its policy for every nation and for all members of the WTO to have a hard border unless theres a customs union in place. And even in some customs unions theres hard borders like NAFTA for example. Unless the UK is also going to crash out of the WTO its legally required to have the same border controls with the EU as it does with everyone else. If the UK wants to change its relationship with the EU the onus is on them to sort it out. | |||
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"I just want to give a shout out to the irish, keep up the good job, no retreat, no surrender
And ultimately holding the EU to ransom at the same time
The EU agree with us though and are happy to back our position. Despite other claims we're not at all being unreasonable, its the UK who are trying to turn their back on the GFA.
The EU don't want the headache of the Irish border, that's why they set it as a condition
It's EU policy to have hard borders between it's own member states and those outside the EU or outside the Customs Union (Gibraltar an example)
If talks fail or no agreement ..... The onus is back on the EU to set hard border controls
Spectacularly uninformed.
Its policy for every nation and for all members of the WTO to have a hard border unless theres a customs union in place. And even in some customs unions theres hard borders like NAFTA for example.
Unless the UK is also going to crash out of the WTO its legally required to have the same border controls with the EU as it does with everyone else.
If the UK wants to change its relationship with the EU the onus is on them to sort it out."Yes the EU and the WTO insist on border controls - Last time I looked the Republic were members of both | |||
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"I just want to give a shout out to the irish, keep up the good job, no retreat, no surrender
And ultimately holding the EU to ransom at the same time
The EU agree with us though and are happy to back our position. Despite other claims we're not at all being unreasonable, its the UK who are trying to turn their back on the GFA.
The EU don't want the headache of the Irish border, that's why they set it as a condition
It's EU policy to have hard borders between it's own member states and those outside the EU or outside the Customs Union (Gibraltar an example)
If talks fail or no agreement ..... The onus is back on the EU to set hard border controls
Spectacularly uninformed.
Its policy for every nation and for all members of the WTO to have a hard border unless theres a customs union in place. And even in some customs unions theres hard borders like NAFTA for example.
Unless the UK is also going to crash out of the WTO its legally required to have the same border controls with the EU as it does with everyone else.
If the UK wants to change its relationship with the EU the onus is on them to sort it out.
Yes the EU and the WTO insist on border controls - Last time I looked the Republic were members of both "So are the UK. And Malta. And Cyprus and Germany. Whats your point? | |||
"I just want to give a shout out to the irish, keep up the good job, no retreat, no surrender
And ultimately holding the EU to ransom at the same time
The EU agree with us though and are happy to back our position. Despite other claims we're not at all being unreasonable, its the UK who are trying to turn their back on the GFA.
The EU don't want the headache of the Irish border, that's why they set it as a condition
It's EU policy to have hard borders between it's own member states and those outside the EU or outside the Customs Union (Gibraltar an example)
If talks fail or no agreement ..... The onus is back on the EU to set hard border controls
Spectacularly uninformed.
Its policy for every nation and for all members of the WTO to have a hard border unless theres a customs union in place. And even in some customs unions theres hard borders like NAFTA for example.
Unless the UK is also going to crash out of the WTO its legally required to have the same border controls with the EU as it does with everyone else.
If the UK wants to change its relationship with the EU the onus is on them to sort it out.
Yes the EU and the WTO insist on border controls - Last time I looked the Republic were members of both
So are the UK. And Malta. And Cyprus and Germany. Whats your point?"By arguing with yourself you ended up answering my point I wish arguments with my wife were this easy! lol | |||
"I just want to give a shout out to the irish, keep up the good job, no retreat, no surrender
And ultimately holding the EU to ransom at the same time
The EU agree with us though and are happy to back our position. Despite other claims we're not at all being unreasonable, its the UK who are trying to turn their back on the GFA.
The EU don't want the headache of the Irish border, that's why they set it as a condition
It's EU policy to have hard borders between it's own member states and those outside the EU or outside the Customs Union (Gibraltar an example)
If talks fail or no agreement ..... The onus is back on the EU to set hard border controls
Spectacularly uninformed.
Its policy for every nation and for all members of the WTO to have a hard border unless theres a customs union in place. And even in some customs unions theres hard borders like NAFTA for example.
Unless the UK is also going to crash out of the WTO its legally required to have the same border controls with the EU as it does with everyone else.
If the UK wants to change its relationship with the EU the onus is on them to sort it out.
Yes the EU and the WTO insist on border controls - Last time I looked the Republic were members of both
So are the UK. And Malta. And Cyprus and Germany. Whats your point?
By arguing with yourself you ended up answering my point
I wish arguments with my wife were this easy! lol
"If you look outside, way, way up in the sky you might just see this discussion flying over your head. | |||
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"Whichever way you voted, I find it deeply unnerving that some seem to relish the thought of breakdown in the Good Friday Agreement and perhaps a return to the troubles of the 70's... perhaps those hoping for this to ensure Brexit doesnt happen were themselves untouched by the violence and heartache. Get a grip people. " I was so touched by it that as I campaigned hard to remain , I pointed out the Irish problem , it was blatantly obvious along with a vast number of other issues that all of this would happen Every single person who voted out must take all the responsibility for this and the other impossible situations the UK will find itself in The simplicity of the fuck up is outstanding One, the UK maintains its exact trade and movement agreement with the Eu , same rules same regulation same slight restriction upon trading with other countries or trade blocks Two, the UK does not maintain parallel trade regulations thus Either Border between the two main lands Border between North and South That's it that's the options , no out of box , or blue sky thinking required Let's be very clear though Exit voters directly and clearly voted for a north South Irish border and they care not one bit xxx Now if any one of them pops up and suggests they did not know , they are either A, lieing Or despite their protestations not competent enough to vote upon such a complex and life changing question as the exit one | |||
"Whichever way you voted, I find it deeply unnerving that some seem to relish the thought of breakdown in the Good Friday Agreement and perhaps a return to the troubles of the 70's... perhaps those hoping for this to ensure Brexit doesnt happen were themselves untouched by the violence and heartache. Get a grip people. I was so touched by it that as I campaigned hard to remain , I pointed out the Irish problem , it was blatantly obvious along with a vast number of other issues that all of this would happen Every single person who voted out must take all the responsibility for this and the other impossible situations the UK will find itself in The simplicity of the fuck up is outstanding One, the UK maintains its exact trade and movement agreement with the Eu , same rules same regulation same slight restriction upon trading with other countries or trade blocks Two, the UK does not maintain parallel trade regulations thus Either Border between the two main lands Border between North and South That's it that's the options , no out of box , or blue sky thinking required Let's be very clear though Exit voters directly and clearly voted for a north South Irish border and they care not one bit xxx Now if any one of them pops up and suggests they did not know , they are either A, lieing Or despite their protestations not competent enough to vote upon such a complex and life changing question as the exit one " funny that many having been asked have remained schtumm on that issue.. 'collateral damage' in an ideology driven and ill thought through fuck up.. | |||
What a total balls up  | |||
"Whichever way you voted, I find it deeply unnerving that some seem to relish the thought of breakdown in the Good Friday Agreement and perhaps a return to the troubles of the 70's... perhaps those hoping for this to ensure Brexit doesnt happen were themselves untouched by the violence and heartache. Get a grip people. " Fully agree here, i voted leave but if this can leave us returning to "the troubles" then its too high a price by far | |||
"Evidently the DUP didnt know about this deal or the text of it
What a total balls up "Yup and thats putting it mildly | |||
"Whichever way you voted, I find it deeply unnerving that some seem to relish the thought of breakdown in the Good Friday Agreement and perhaps a return to the troubles of the 70's... perhaps those hoping for this to ensure Brexit doesnt happen were themselves untouched by the violence and heartache. Get a grip people. Fully agree here, i voted leave but if this can leave us returning to "the troubles" then its too high a price by far" But you were warned of this before the vote, so if its too high price to pay, then why vote that way? | |||
"Whichever way you voted, I find it deeply unnerving that some seem to relish the thought of breakdown in the Good Friday Agreement and perhaps a return to the troubles of the 70's... perhaps those hoping for this to ensure Brexit doesnt happen were themselves untouched by the violence and heartache. Get a grip people. Fully agree here, i voted leave but if this can leave us returning to "the troubles" then its too high a price by far But you were warned of this before the vote, so if its too high price to pay, then why vote that way? " Well its not over yet, i voted on the basis a deal with dup was just about settled. And like others thout the DUP were aware of May's negotiation deals and got a billion from the magic money tree, but, seeing as may had to pull out of talks to speak to foster then it now looks iffy. If a deal csnnot be struck with the govt. And dup then its buggered. | |||
"Whichever way you voted, I find it deeply unnerving that some seem to relish the thought of breakdown in the Good Friday Agreement and perhaps a return to the troubles of the 70's... perhaps those hoping for this to ensure Brexit doesnt happen were themselves untouched by the violence and heartache. Get a grip people. Fully agree here, i voted leave but if this can leave us returning to "the troubles" then its too high a price by far But you were warned of this before the vote, so if its too high price to pay, then why vote that way? Well its not over yet, i voted on the basis a deal with dup was just about settled. And like others thout the DUP were aware of May's negotiation deals and got a billion from the magic money tree, but, seeing as may had to pull out of talks to speak to foster then it now looks iffy. If a deal csnnot be struck with the govt. And dup then its buggered. " Dup could be offered another bung i suppose | |||
"Whichever way you voted, I find it deeply unnerving that some seem to relish the thought of breakdown in the Good Friday Agreement and perhaps a return to the troubles of the 70's... perhaps those hoping for this to ensure Brexit doesnt happen were themselves untouched by the violence and heartache. Get a grip people. Fully agree here, i voted leave but if this can leave us returning to "the troubles" then its too high a price by far But you were warned of this before the vote, so if its too high price to pay, then why vote that way? Well its not over yet, i voted on the basis a deal with dup was just about settled. And like others thout the DUP were aware of May's negotiation deals and got a billion from the magic money tree, but, seeing as may had to pull out of talks to speak to foster then it now looks iffy. If a deal csnnot be struck with the govt. And dup then its buggered. " You voted on the basis that the deal with the DUP was just about settled? How did you figure that when the DUP weren't even in the picture at the time of the referendum vote? I mean, they were around of course, and it was well known that leaving the EU would cause an issue with the Good Friday agreement, but May had yet to call her ill-fated election and need to bribe the DUP to prop up her failing government at that point. -Matt | |||
"Whichever way you voted, I find it deeply unnerving that some seem to relish the thought of breakdown in the Good Friday Agreement and perhaps a return to the troubles of the 70's... perhaps those hoping for this to ensure Brexit doesnt happen were themselves untouched by the violence and heartache. Get a grip people. Fully agree here, i voted leave but if this can leave us returning to "the troubles" then its too high a price by far But you were warned of this before the vote, so if its too high price to pay, then why vote that way? Well its not over yet, i voted on the basis a deal with dup was just about settled. And like others thout the DUP were aware of May's negotiation deals and got a billion from the magic money tree, but, seeing as may had to pull out of talks to speak to foster then it now looks iffy. If a deal csnnot be struck with the govt. And dup then its buggered. You voted on the basis that the deal with the DUP was just about settled? How did you figure that when the DUP weren't even in the picture at the time of the referendum vote? I mean, they were around of course, and it was well known that leaving the EU would cause an issue with the Good Friday agreement, but May had yet to call her ill-fated election and need to bribe the DUP to prop up her failing government at that point. -Matt" Nah, didnt explain proper. When Cameron gave us the vote, it was mentioned but was with a lot of other information overflow, and wasn't at the forefront of my thoughts I thought it was a matter of negotiations, but as time's got on looked more and more tricky.. Until the election and a bung was produced for the dup. Job looked easier, but... | |||
"Whichever way you voted, I find it deeply unnerving that some seem to relish the thought of breakdown in the Good Friday Agreement and perhaps a return to the troubles of the 70's... perhaps those hoping for this to ensure Brexit doesnt happen were themselves untouched by the violence and heartache. Get a grip people. Fully agree here, i voted leave but if this can leave us returning to "the troubles" then its too high a price by far But you were warned of this before the vote, so if its too high price to pay, then why vote that way? Well its not over yet, i voted on the basis a deal with dup was just about settled. And like others thout the DUP were aware of May's negotiation deals and got a billion from the magic money tree, but, seeing as may had to pull out of talks to speak to foster then it now looks iffy. If a deal csnnot be struck with the govt. And dup then its buggered. You voted on the basis that the deal with the DUP was just about settled? How did you figure that when the DUP weren't even in the picture at the time of the referendum vote? I mean, they were around of course, and it was well known that leaving the EU would cause an issue with the Good Friday agreement, but May had yet to call her ill-fated election and need to bribe the DUP to prop up her failing government at that point. -Matt Nah, didnt explain proper. When Cameron gave us the vote, it was mentioned but was with a lot of other information overflow, and wasn't at the forefront of my thoughts I thought it was a matter of negotiations, but as time's got on looked more and more tricky.. Until the election and a bung was produced for the dup. Job looked easier, but... " Yes, there was a lot of information about. And a lot of it contradictory. But given the simple logic of there needing to be a border between the EU and the non-EU (the whole reason the leave campaign wanted to 'take back our borders')... and there needing to *not* be a border between NI and Eire (Good Friday Agreement). I'm not sure how anyone thought it would work. Given that the 'troubles' are still in living memory (especially for the older folk, who generally voted to leave), I'm not sure how they expected those negotiations to work. I mean, it doesn't even matter if the EU are 'difficult' or whatever you want to believe. The whole point the UK were going for was to create a 'stronger', more 'controlable' border between the EU and the UK. And they couldn't do that on the NI border. Even if the EU just rolled over and said 'yeah, sure, here, have your border'... it wouldn't be compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. -Matt | |||
"Whichever way you voted, I find it deeply unnerving that some seem to relish the thought of breakdown in the Good Friday Agreement and perhaps a return to the troubles of the 70's... perhaps those hoping for this to ensure Brexit doesnt happen were themselves untouched by the violence and heartache. Get a grip people. Fully agree here, i voted leave but if this can leave us returning to "the troubles" then its too high a price by far But you were warned of this before the vote, so if its too high price to pay, then why vote that way? Well its not over yet, i voted on the basis a deal with dup was just about settled. And like others thout the DUP were aware of May's negotiation deals and got a billion from the magic money tree, but, seeing as may had to pull out of talks to speak to foster then it now looks iffy. If a deal csnnot be struck with the govt. And dup then its buggered. You voted on the basis that the deal with the DUP was just about settled? How did you figure that when the DUP weren't even in the picture at the time of the referendum vote? I mean, they were around of course, and it was well known that leaving the EU would cause an issue with the Good Friday agreement, but May had yet to call her ill-fated election and need to bribe the DUP to prop up her failing government at that point. -Matt Nah, didnt explain proper. When Cameron gave us the vote, it was mentioned but was with a lot of other information overflow, and wasn't at the forefront of my thoughts I thought it was a matter of negotiations, but as time's got on looked more and more tricky.. Until the election and a bung was produced for the dup. Job looked easier, but... Yes, there was a lot of information about. And a lot of it contradictory. But given the simple logic of there needing to be a border between the EU and the non-EU (the whole reason the leave campaign wanted to 'take back our borders')... and there needing to *not* be a border between NI and Eire (Good Friday Agreement). I'm not sure how anyone thought it would work. Given that the 'troubles' are still in living memory (especially for the older folk, who generally voted to leave), I'm not sure how they expected those negotiations to work. I mean, it doesn't even matter if the EU are 'difficult' or whatever you want to believe. The whole point the UK were going for was to create a 'stronger', more 'controlable' border between the EU and the UK. And they couldn't do that on the NI border. Even if the EU just rolled over and said 'yeah, sure, here, have your border'... it wouldn't be compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. -Matt" But the people of northern Ireland didn't vote to leave they could see the potential mess | |||
" But the people of northern Ireland didn't vote to leave they could see the potential mess " Of course. Alas, too many people outside the area just couldn't give a fuck, and chose to ignore the logical impossibility that trying to leave the EU, whilst retaining the Good Friday agreement would create. -Matt | |||
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"Whichever way you voted, I find it deeply unnerving that some seem to relish the thought of breakdown in the Good Friday Agreement and perhaps a return to the troubles of the 70's... perhaps those hoping for this to ensure Brexit doesnt happen were themselves untouched by the violence and heartache. Get a grip people. Fully agree here, i voted leave but if this can leave us returning to "the troubles" then its too high a price by far But you were warned of this before the vote, so if its too high price to pay, then why vote that way? Well its not over yet, i voted on the basis a deal with dup was just about settled. And like others thout the DUP were aware of May's negotiation deals and got a billion from the magic money tree, but, seeing as may had to pull out of talks to speak to foster then it now looks iffy. If a deal csnnot be struck with the govt. And dup then its buggered. You voted on the basis that the deal with the DUP was just about settled? How did you figure that when the DUP weren't even in the picture at the time of the referendum vote? I mean, they were around of course, and it was well known that leaving the EU would cause an issue with the Good Friday agreement, but May had yet to call her ill-fated election and need to bribe the DUP to prop up her failing government at that point. -Matt Nah, didnt explain proper. When Cameron gave us the vote, it was mentioned but was with a lot of other information overflow, and wasn't at the forefront of my thoughts I thought it was a matter of negotiations, but as time's got on looked more and more tricky.. Until the election and a bung was produced for the dup. Job looked easier, but... Yes, there was a lot of information about. And a lot of it contradictory. But given the simple logic of there needing to be a border between the EU and the non-EU (the whole reason the leave campaign wanted to 'take back our borders')... and there needing to *not* be a border between NI and Eire (Good Friday Agreement). I'm not sure how anyone thought it would work. Given that the 'troubles' are still in living memory (especially for the older folk, who generally voted to leave), I'm not sure how they expected those negotiations to work. I mean, it doesn't even matter if the EU are 'difficult' or whatever you want to believe. The whole point the UK were going for was to create a 'stronger', more 'controlable' border between the EU and the UK. And they couldn't do that on the NI border. Even if the EU just rolled over and said 'yeah, sure, here, have your border'... it wouldn't be compattible with the Good Friday Agreement. -Matt" Perhaps the remainers could hsve made that point a little ckearer, instead of bolloxing on about shite like boris' s lies on 350 million etc.. | |||
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"Whichever way you voted, I find it deeply unnerving that some seem to relish the thought of breakdown in the Good Friday Agreement and perhaps a return to the troubles of the 70's... perhaps those hoping for this to ensure Brexit doesnt happen were themselves untouched by the violence and heartache. Get a grip people. Fully agree here, i voted leave but if this can leave us returning to "the troubles" then its too high a price by far But you were warned of this before the vote, so if its too high price to pay, then why vote that way? Well its not over yet, i voted on the basis a deal with dup was just about settled. And like others thout the DUP were aware of May's negotiation deals and got a billion from the magic money tree, but, seeing as may had to pull out of talks to speak to foster then it now looks iffy. If a deal csnnot be struck with the govt. And dup then its buggered. You voted on the basis that the deal with the DUP was just about settled? How did you figure that when the DUP weren't even in the picture at the time of the referendum vote? I mean, they were around of course, and it was well known that leaving the EU would cause an issue with the Good Friday agreement, but May had yet to call her ill-fated election and need to bribe the DUP to prop up her failing government at that point. -Matt Nah, didnt explain proper. When Cameron gave us the vote, it was mentioned but was with a lot of other information overflow, and wasn't at the forefront of my thoughts I thought it was a matter of negotiations, but as time's got on looked more and more tricky.. Until the election and a bung was produced for the dup. Job looked easier, but... Yes, there was a lot of information about. And a lot of it contradictory. But given the simple logic of there needing to be a border between the EU and the non-EU (the whole reason the leave campaign wanted to 'take back our borders')... and there needing to *not* be a border between NI and Eire (Good Friday Agreement). I'm not sure how anyone thought it would work. Given that the 'troubles' are still in living memory (especially for the older folk, who generally voted to leave), I'm not sure how they expected those negotiations to work. I mean, it doesn't even matter if the EU are 'difficult' or whatever you want to believe. The whole point the UK were going for was to create a 'stronger', more 'controlable' border between the EU and the UK. And they couldn't do that on the NI border. Even if the EU just rolled over and said 'yeah, sure, here, have your border'... it wouldn't be compattible with the Good Friday Agreement. -Matt Perhaps the remainers could hsve made that point a little ckearer, instead of bolloxing on about shite like boris' s lies on 350 million etc.. " It was made pretty clear. And just a quick search of Google news for the two months preceding the referendum and "brexit" and "good friday" appear together in articles in: The Guardian The FT The Irish News The Belfast Newsletter The Derry Journal The Telegraph The Huffington Post Breitbart The Economist Vice The New Statesman Politico ...that is just the first page of results. Even The Sun ran an article on it. Of course, being The Sun the headline was "WAR OF WORDS Tony Blair and John Major accused of desperation as they warn the risks of Brexit could disrupt peace in Northern Ireland" Which starts: "TWO former prime ministers - Sir John Major and Tony Blair - have been labelled "desperate men" as they insisted a Brexit could jeopardise the future of the United Kingdom. On Northern Irish soil - in a trip loaded with history - the ex Tory and Labour premiers are arguing today a vote to leave the UK threatens the fabric of the country - including the future of reconciliation in Northern Ireland and Scotland's position in the UK." So if you want to argue that you voted without consideration of what you were voting on, then fine. But you can't say this issue wasn't highlighted before the vote. And to say it was remainer's responsibility to educate the leavers... incredible. Actually, to be fair, that was what most of the remainers I knew were trying to do. Educate the leavers. Get them to open their eyes and actually try and understand the implications of what they were doing. The result? Getting accused of 'project fear' and being called 'remoaners'. I'm pretty sure it was discussed to death on here at the time as well. -Matt | |||
"Whichever way you voted, I find it deeply unnerving that some seem to relish the thought of breakdown in the Good Friday Agreement and perhaps a return to the troubles of the 70's... perhaps those hoping for this to ensure Brexit doesnt happen were themselves untouched by the violence and heartache. Get a grip people. Fully agree here, i voted leave but if this can leave us returning to "the troubles" then its too high a price by far But you were warned of this before the vote, so if its too high price to pay, then why vote that way? Well its not over yet, i voted on the basis a deal with dup was just about settled. And like others thout the DUP were aware of May's negotiation deals and got a billion from the magic money tree, but, seeing as may had to pull out of talks to speak to foster then it now looks iffy. If a deal csnnot be struck with the govt. And dup then its buggered. You voted on the basis that the deal with the DUP was just about settled? How did you figure that when the DUP weren't even in the picture at the time of the referendum vote? I mean, they were around of course, and it was well known that leaving the EU would cause an issue with the Good Friday agreement, but May had yet to call her ill-fated election and need to bribe the DUP to prop up her failing government at that point. -Matt Nah, didnt explain proper. When Cameron gave us the vote, it was mentioned but was with a lot of other information overflow, and wasn't at the forefront of my thoughts I thought it was a matter of negotiations, but as time's got on looked more and more tricky.. Until the election and a bung was produced for the dup. Job looked easier, but... Yes, there was a lot of information about. And a lot of it contradictory. But given the simple logic of there needing to be a border between the EU and the non-EU (the whole reason the leave campaign wanted to 'take back our borders')... and there needing to *not* be a border between NI and Eire (Good Friday Agreement). I'm not sure how anyone thought it would work. Given that the 'troubles' are still in living memory (especially for the older folk, who generally voted to leave), I'm not sure how they expected those negotiations to work. I mean, it doesn't even matter if the EU are 'difficult' or whatever you want to believe. The whole point the UK were going for was to create a 'stronger', more 'controlable' border between the EU and the UK. And they couldn't do that on the NI border. Even if the EU just rolled over and said 'yeah, sure, here, have your border'... it wouldn't be compattible with the Good Friday Agreement. -Matt Perhaps the remainers could hsve made that point a little ckearer, instead of bolloxing on about shite like boris' s lies on 350 million etc.. It was made pretty clear. And just a quick search of Google news for the two months preceding the referendum and "brexit" and "good friday" appear together in articles in: The Guardian The FT The Irish News The Belfast Newsletter The Derry Journal The Telegraph The Huffington Post Breitbart The Economist Vice The New Statesman Politico ...that is just the first page of results. Even The Sun ran an article on it. Of course, being The Sun the headline was "WAR OF WORDS Tony Blair and John Major accused of desperation as they warn the risks of Brexit could disrupt peace in Northern Ireland" Which starts: "TWO former prime ministers - Sir John Major and Tony Blair - have been labelled "desperate men" as they insisted a Brexit could jeopardise the future of the United Kingdom. On Northern Irish soil - in a trip loaded with history - the ex Tory and Labour premiers are arguing today a vote to leave the UK threatens the fabric of the country - including the future of reconciliation in Northern Ireland and Scotland's position in the UK." So if you want to argue that you voted without consideration of what you were voting on, then fine. But you can't say this issue wasn't highlighted before the vote. And to say it was remainer's responsibility to educate the leavers... incredible. Actually, to be fair, that was what most of the remainers I knew were trying to do. Educate the leavers. Get them to open their eyes and actually try and understand the implications of what they were doing. The result? Getting accused of 'project fear' and being called 'remoaners'. I'm pretty sure it was discussed to death on here at the time as well. -Matt " Well we cant all be clever, and plugged into the news  | |||
"Farage : (yes i know he's controversial but have a read) “I will tell you quite simply; what the UK government should have done is to say we are unconditionally offering a free trade deal to continue with Ireland and we're going to the WTO who will back us up and support that because that's their job is to promote ease of trade. “We'll go to Brussels and say because of political sensitivity, and after all it's you in Brussels who keep saying you don't want the Good Friday Agreement compromised, we ask you in Brussels to make an exception for Ireland, whatever you decide to do with United Kingdom for the rest of the EU.” He finished: “Put the onus back on them to do the right thing but hey you know what that would take leadership we haven't got any of that.” I'm no expert and don't claim to be, so what's your thoughts? " I dunno, you mean go back to the EU and say "Sorry, we've fucked it all up. I know we've been calling you all cunts for the last year, but pretty please can we have another exception to the rules, because all the other exceptions we had when we were in the EU were not enough and we had a tantrum". As advocated by the man that stood up in the EU parliament and said "I know that virtually none of you have done a proper job in your lives." and that "If you were to cut off your noses to spite your face the consequences would be far worse for you than it would be for us". Hrm... yeah... can't see any problem with that at all. -Matt | |||
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"Farage : (yes i know he's controversial but have a read) “I will tell you quite simply; what the UK government should have done is to say we are unconditionally offering a free trade deal to continue with Ireland and we're going to the WTO who will back us up and support that because that's their job is to promote ease of trade. “We'll go to Brussels and say because of political sensitivity, and after all it's you in Brussels who keep saying you don't want the Good Friday Agreement compromised, we ask you in Brussels to make an exception for Ireland, whatever you decide to do with United Kingdom for the rest of the EU.” He finished: “Put the onus back on them to do the right thing but hey you know what that would take leadership we haven't got any of that.” I'm no expert and don't claim to be, so what's your thoughts? I dunno, you mean go back to the EU and say "Sorry, we've fucked it all up. I know we've been calling you all cunts for the last year, but pretty please can we have another exception to the rules, because all the other exceptions we had when we were in the EU were not enough and we had a tantrum". As advocated by the man that stood up in the EU parliament and said "I know that virtually none of you have done a proper job in your lives." and that "If you were to cut off your noses to spite your face the consequences would be far worse for you than it would be for us". Hrm... yeah... can't see any problem with that at all. -Matt" People insult me all the time but i don't let that annoy or influence decisions, im too big to be petty. Whats your suggestion matt? Reverse brexit? | |||
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"Farage : (yes i know he's controversial but have a read) “I will tell you quite simply; what the UK government should have done is to say we are unconditionally offering a free trade deal to continue with Ireland and we're going to the WTO who will back us up and support that because that's their job is to promote ease of trade. “We'll go to Brussels and say because of political sensitivity, and after all it's you in Brussels who keep saying you don't want the Good Friday Agreement compromised, we ask you in Brussels to make an exception for Ireland, whatever you decide to do with United Kingdom for the rest of the EU.” He finished: “Put the onus back on them to do the right thing but hey you know what that would take leadership we haven't got any of that.” I'm no expert and don't claim to be, so what's your thoughts? I dunno, you mean go back to the EU and say "Sorry, we've fucked it all up. I know we've been calling you all cunts for the last year, but pretty please can we have another exception to the rules, because all the other exceptions we had when we were in the EU were not enough and we had a tantrum". As advocated by the man that stood up in the EU parliament and said "I know that virtually none of you have done a proper job in your lives." and that "If you were to cut off your noses to spite your face the consequences would be far worse for you than it would be for us". Hrm... yeah... can't see any problem with that at all. -Matt People insult me all the time mate, but I'm big enough to not take it to heart. Though juncker is a oetty little sod. Whats your suggestion matt? Reverse brexit? " I'm not trying to insult you. I'm trying to point out what a daft suggestion Farrage came up with. What is my suggestion? You know what? I have absolutely no idea. We have managed to get so far down this cul-de-sac I really don't know how we'd get out. No matter which way it goes you are going to cause significant long term damage to the country economically, politically, and/or socially. Yes, aborting Brexit now might be the best bet. I think even then we have set ourselves back 20-30 years economically. We will have lost any political power and influence we had worldwide. And socially, we are now going to have a massive division and upset in the country as all the leave voters bleat on about 'will of the people'. But at least we would still have our existing trade, and regulatory arrangements still in place. Can you honestly see after this fiasco how our government would be able to negotiate all the wonderful trade deals with far flung lands? Or how the might possibly even comprehend the complexities of, e.g., the regulatory frameworks around aircraft maintenance? -Matt | |||
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"The EU won’t let us do a U-turn. They want us out. We should’ve signed a prenuptual! Messiest separation ever. " if Exiting BREXIT is the only way to solve the Irish border problem then the EU will have to do that. We just have to say we don't want BREXIT anymore and it's all over with (bar the bleating BREXITers who, I'm sure, will moan on about how the 'will of the people' has been denied). | |||
"The EU won’t let us do a U-turn. They want us out. We should’ve signed a prenuptual! Messiest separation ever. " Are you aware that the man who wrote the document ( article 50) says exactly the opposite? | |||
"The EU won’t let us do a U-turn. They want us out. We should’ve signed a prenuptual! Messiest separation ever. if Exiting BREXIT is the only way to solve the Irish border problem then the EU will have to do that. We just have to say we don't want BREXIT anymore and it's all over with (bar the bleating BREXITers who, I'm sure, will moan on about how the 'will of the people' has been denied)." (bar the bleating BREXITers who, I'm sure, will moan on about how the 'will of the people' has been denied)? Well so far all we have heared is the remainers bleating | |||
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"The EU won’t let us do a U-turn. They want us out. We should’ve signed a prenuptual! Messiest separation ever. if Exiting BREXIT is the only way to solve the Irish border problem then the EU will have to do that. We just have to say we don't want BREXIT anymore and it's all over with (bar the bleating BREXITers who, I'm sure, will moan on about how the 'will of the people' has been denied). (bar the bleating BREXITers who, I'm sure, will moan on about how the 'will of the people' has been denied)? Well so far all we have heared is the remainers bleating "41 years of winging BREXITers talking total crap about the things they clearly have absolutely no understanding of Vs 17 months of remainers pointing out all the problems that leaving the EU would create, not the least of which was the Northern Ireland border. God forbid that any BREXITer would ever say 'Sorry, I got this one wrong'. | |||
"Farage : (yes i know he's controversial but have a read) “I will tell you quite simply; what the UK government should have done is to say we are unconditionally offering a free trade deal to continue with Ireland and we're going to the WTO who will back us up and support that because that's their job is to promote ease of trade. “We'll go to Brussels and say because of political sensitivity, and after all it's you in Brussels who keep saying you don't want the Good Friday Agreement compromised, we ask you in Brussels to make an exception for Ireland, whatever you decide to do with United Kingdom for the rest of the EU.” He finished: “Put the onus back on them to do the right thing but hey you know what that would take leadership we haven't got any of that.” I'm no expert and don't claim to be, so what's your thoughts? " It is possible to have free trade agreements coming out of your ears and with any other country in the world (subject to negotiation). But a free trade agreement is not a Customs Union and the regulatory issues are completely different. Nigel Farage and others (including Brexit Ministers) seem to be oblivious as to the difference and really, these people should know better. As a little example... Say that the U.K. has a simple free trade deal with China and the UK started to import huge amounts of Chinese products - they could potentially be exported to Eire in a Free Trade arrangement that undermines the existing EU trade deal with China. Worse, the UK could import non CE kitemark junk that would flow seamlessly into the EU in violation of the regulatory origination and quality control issues that are mandated in the EU. UKIP in general and Nigel Farage in particular have made their name offering seemingly “simple solutions” to complex problems. In the real world people have to deal with the real issues that the UKIP statements conveniently ignore. | |||
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"Farage : (yes i know he's controversial but have a read) “I will tell you quite simply; what the UK government should have done is to say we are unconditionally offering a free trade deal to continue with Ireland and we're going to the WTO who will back us up and support that because that's their job is to promote ease of trade. “We'll go to Brussels and say because of political sensitivity, and after all it's you in Brussels who keep saying you don't want the Good Friday Agreement compromised, we ask you in Brussels to make an exception for Ireland, whatever you decide to do with United Kingdom for the rest of the EU.” He finished: “Put the onus back on them to do the right thing but hey you know what that would take leadership we haven't got any of that.” I'm no expert and don't claim to be, so what's your thoughts? It is possible to have free trade agreements coming out of your ears and with any other country in the world (subject to negotiation). But a free trade agreement is not a Customs Union and the regulatory issues are completely different. Nigel Farage and others (including Brexit Ministers) seem to be oblivious as to the difference and really, these people should know better. As a little example... Say that the U.K. has a simple free trade deal with China and the UK started to import huge amounts of Chinese products - they could potentially be exported to Eire in a Free Trade arrangement that undermines the existing EU trade deal with China. Worse, the UK could import non CE kitemark junk that would flow seamlessly into the EU in violation of the regulatory origination and quality control issues that are mandated in the EU. UKIP in general and Nigel Farage in particular have made their name offering seemingly “simple solutions” to complex problems. In the real world people have to deal with the real issues that the UKIP statements conveniently ignore." Because they will not have to solve the problems that arise. I remember Farage discussing illegal immigrants coming in boats from France and we asked what would he do he just said the government must be strong. He had no answer other than that. What he probably really meant was shoot them in the channel before they arrived? | |||
"Farage : (yes i know he's controversial but have a read) “I will tell you quite simply; what the UK government should have done is to say we are unconditionally offering a free trade deal to continue with Ireland and we're going to the WTO who will back us up and support that because that's their job is to promote ease of trade. “We'll go to Brussels and say because of political sensitivity, and after all it's you in Brussels who keep saying you don't want the Good Friday Agreement compromised, we ask you in Brussels to make an exception for Ireland, whatever you decide to do with United Kingdom for the rest of the EU.” He finished: “Put the onus back on them to do the right thing but hey you know what that would take leadership we haven't got any of that.” I'm no expert and don't claim to be, so what's your thoughts? I dunno, you mean go back to the EU and say "Sorry, we've fucked it all up. I know we've been calling you all cunts for the last year, but pretty please can we have another exception to the rules, because all the other exceptions we had when we were in the EU were not enough and we had a tantrum". As advocated by the man that stood up in the EU parliament and said "I know that virtually none of you have done a proper job in your lives." and that "If you were to cut off your noses to spite your face the consequences would be far worse for you than it would be for us". Hrm... yeah... can't see any problem with that at all. -Matt People insult me all the time mate, but I'm big enough to not take it to heart. Though juncker is a oetty little sod. Whats your suggestion matt? Reverse brexit? I'm not trying to insult you. I'm trying to point out what a daft suggestion Farrage came up with. What is my suggestion? You know what? I have absolutely no idea. We have managed to get so far down this cul-de-sac I really don't know how we'd get out. No matter which way it goes you are going to cause significant long term damage to the country economically, politically, and/or socially. Yes, aborting Brexit now might be the best bet. I think even then we have set ourselves back 20-30 years economically. We will have lost any political power and influence we had worldwide. And socially, we are now going to have a massive division and upset in the country as all the leave voters bleat on about 'will of the people'. But at least we would still have our existing trade, and regulatory arrangements still in place. Can you honestly see after this fiasco how our government would be able to negotiate all the wonderful trade deals with far flung lands? Or how the might possibly even comprehend the complexities of, e.g., the regulatory frameworks around aircraft maintenance? -Matt" Didn't mean that matt, what i meant was the eurocrats shouldn't be awkward just because of farage. Especially with the good friday agreement coming under threat. They should be anywsy, though junker seems to be petty the way he behaves unfortunately | |||
"The EU won’t let us do a U-turn. They want us out. We should’ve signed a prenuptual! Messiest separation ever. " If so then they should at the very least, not be petty and forget the insults by the likes of farage etc.. And look at the good friday agreement and the consequences of it failing | |||
"If there is "no deal" and we walk away with nothing. Then surely by default the Irish boarder will become "hard". Am i wrong? " I sincerely hope the eu don't let it happen | |||
"If there is "no deal" and we walk away with nothing. Then surely by default the Irish boarder will become "hard". Am i wrong? I sincerely hope the eu don't let it happen " You hope the EU wont let us leave with a deal, or you hope there won't be a hard border? | |||
"If there is "no deal" and we walk away with nothing. Then surely by default the Irish boarder will become "hard". Am i wrong? I sincerely hope the eu don't let it happen You hope the EU wont let us leave with a deal, or you hope there won't be a hard border?" That whatever they (the eu) decide, the implications of the good friday agreement should be foremost. | |||
"If there is "no deal" and we walk away with nothing. Then surely by default the Irish boarder will become "hard". Am i wrong? I sincerely hope the eu don't let it happen You hope the EU wont let us leave with a deal, or you hope there won't be a hard border? That whatever they (the eu) decide, the implications of the good friday agreement should be foremost. " The DUP were opposed to the GFA and campaigned against it. Arlene Foster and Jeffrey Donaldson left the UUP and joined the DUP because they were opposed to the GFA. I believe the DUP wants a hard militarised border in place again, except they don't want to be seen to having a part to play in the return of the border. | |||
"If there is "no deal" and we walk away with nothing. Then surely by default the Irish boarder will become "hard". Am i wrong? I sincerely hope the eu don't let it happen You hope the EU wont let us leave with a deal, or you hope there won't be a hard border? That whatever they (the eu) decide, the implications of the good friday agreement should be foremost. " ....and do what? What are you hoping that the EU would actually do? Come the deadline, if no deal has been reached, we have no deal. May has repeatedly said no deal is better than a bad deal. When the deadline comes, we are no longer a member of the EU, and hence by default there is then a border between Eire and NI. The only realistic option I think the EU could do would be to somehow encourage the 27 remaining members to agree to an extension to the deadline should the UK decide to put one forward. But that requires (as far as I know) the unanimous decision of the 27 remaining members. And we have probably pissed enough of them off in the past year that I can't see that being likely. It would also piss off the hardline 'leave means leave' people. -Matt | |||
"If there is "no deal" and we walk away with nothing. Then surely by default the Irish boarder will become "hard". Am i wrong? " Which is why, if we want to stick to our legally binding commitments under the Anglo/Irish accords and the Good Friday Agreements, no deal is not an option we can, or ever could, take. | |||
"If there is "no deal" and we walk away with nothing. Then surely by default the Irish boarder will become "hard". Am i wrong? I sincerely hope the eu don't let it happen You hope the EU wont let us leave with a deal, or you hope there won't be a hard border? That whatever they (the eu) decide, the implications of the good friday agreement should be foremost. " Ok let's look at the leave side argument. They wanted to "take control of our borders" - is that correct? Why? They wanted to ensure that they know what comes in and out - goods - people - can we agree on that? So when the EU wants to impose the same for the EU all of a sudden it's the EU's fault for wanting the same as the UK? It's us who are leaving out responsibility so let hope we don't jeopardise the GFA. | |||
"It would be an EU Frontier Border then, like it is in the Balkans, Finland, Poland, Romania or the Baltic states. But there is none for Monaco, Andorra or even the Vatican. Make of that what you will. " There is a customs border between Andorra and both France and Spain. I've even been stopped and searched for goods at the one with Spain. | |||
"If there is "no deal" and we walk away with nothing. Then surely by default the Irish boarder will become "hard". Am i wrong? I sincerely hope the eu don't let it happen You hope the EU wont let us leave with a deal, or you hope there won't be a hard border? That whatever they (the eu) decide, the implications of the good friday agreement should be foremost. " But the decision is ours and ours alone. We can choose to stay in a customs union with the republic, in which case no Irish border problem, or we can choose to break are commitments under the Good Friday Agreement and leave the customs union, in which case we will have created the hard border in Northern Ireland, not the EU. | |||
"If there is "no deal" and we walk away with nothing. Then surely by default the Irish boarder will become "hard". Am i wrong? I sincerely hope the eu don't let it happen You hope the EU wont let us leave with a deal, or you hope there won't be a hard border? That whatever they (the eu) decide, the implications of the good friday agreement should be foremost. But the decision is ours and ours alone. We can choose to stay in a customs union with the republic, in which case no Irish border problem, or we can choose to break are commitments under the Good Friday Agreement and leave the customs union, in which case we will have created the hard border in Northern Ireland, not the EU." Well that sounds the best option, if we can stay in the customs union. | |||
"If there is "no deal" and we walk away with nothing. Then surely by default the Irish boarder will become "hard". Am i wrong? I sincerely hope the eu don't let it happen You hope the EU wont let us leave with a deal, or you hope there won't be a hard border? That whatever they (the eu) decide, the implications of the good friday agreement should be foremost. But the decision is ours and ours alone. We can choose to stay in a customs union with the republic, in which case no Irish border problem, or we can choose to break are commitments under the Good Friday Agreement and leave the customs union, in which case we will have created the hard border in Northern Ireland, not the EU. Well that sounds the best option, if we can stay in the customs union. " Exactly, that is the only logical conclusion that makes sense. Which is what the Labour, Lib Dem and Green party manifestos all proposed at the last election. But the die-hard leavers don't want that. They want out of everything. You have people on this forum like Centaur who say that because none of the main parties in the election had a clear message to stay in the EU completely, that by default everyone voted to leave the EU. And in their mind that means leave the customs union and the single market. The distinctions between these options completely lost on them. -Matt | |||
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"See in 1922 the majority of people in the north of Ireland voted to remain in Britain which pleased unionists now the majority of people here have voted to remain in the eu and we are being doing by the same unionist party that it doesn't work like that and that the minority should rule the majority." The people didnt get to vote on whether they stayed in the union or not. It was decided by the Boundary Commission. If each county was properly judged by the majorities Northern Ireland would have been reduced to 3 counties. | |||
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"Basically 10 people is deciding the fate of uk
After being given £1bn each
This is the democracy that Brexiters wanted, right? "£1bn each? The money tree has grown somewhat.  | |||
"Just give NI back to whom it truly belongs, - sorted! Has someone got a receipt for it? " no receipt needed , just a miniscule of logical thinking. | |||
"Basically 10 people is deciding the fate of uk
After being given £1bn each
This is the democracy that Brexiters wanted, right?
£1bn each? The money tree has grown somewhat. "Yes they got a lot there and no it is not the democracy they wanted lol. | |||
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"Just give NI back to whom it truly belongs, - sorted! Has someone got a receipt for it? no receipt needed , just a miniscule of logical thinking. " But it's about people, rather than just an entity, so what the people want is important. | |||
. It's all about money. Corbyn would have walked away, and not offered a handkerchief to the City. | |||
" All the reasons that people voted leave for, the Tories have negotiated for the UK to pay through the nose to carry on as we were. . It's all about money. Corbyn would have walked away, and not offered a handkerchief to the City."And put thousands on the dole | |||
" All the reasons that people voted leave for, the Tories have negotiated for the UK to pay through the nose to carry on as we were. . It's all about money. Corbyn would have walked away, and not offered a handkerchief to the City.
And put thousands on the dole" and hopefully overwhelmed the welfare state | |||
"Just give NI back to whom it truly belongs, - sorted! Has someone got a receipt for it? no receipt needed , just a miniscule of logical thinking. " The status quo needs to be maintained on the island of Ireland, as both the British and Irish governments agreed in the Good Friday Agreements, for the foreseeable future. Any overly hasty attempts at reunification of what probably should never have been divided in the first place could likely cause as much or more trouble than the original division. Irish reunification can only ever be achieved with the consent of ALL the Irish people and consent requires more than just a simple majority on either side of the border or both. | |||
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"Just give NI back to whom it truly belongs, - sorted!" nice thought unfortunately the republic would banjrupt itself if it had to govern NI..UK gives NI a block grant of 10 billion sterling a year..I doubt ROI could scrape together a fraction of that  | |||
"Just give NI back to whom it truly belongs, - sorted! nice thought unfortunately the republic would banjrupt itself if it had to govern NI..UK gives NI a block grant of 10 billion sterling a year..I doubt ROI could scrape together a fraction of that "let Northern Ireland govern itself ! | |||
"Just give NI back to whom it truly belongs, - sorted! nice thought unfortunately the republic would banjrupt itself if it had to govern NI..UK gives NI a block grant of 10 billion sterling a year..I doubt ROI could scrape together a fraction of that let Northern Ireland govern itself !
"I think we all agree that if there was a simple answer it would have been enacted long ago... | |||
"Just give NI back to whom it truly belongs, - sorted! nice thought unfortunately the republic would banjrupt itself if it had to govern NI..UK gives NI a block grant of 10 billion sterling a year..I doubt ROI could scrape together a fraction of that let Northern Ireland govern itself !
"So, having almost gone back on our word and commitments from the Good Friday Agreements to the Irish Republic your solution is to go back on our word and commitments to Northern Ireland under the same agreement. How about, when we freely enter into commitments and give our word, we stick to it, then everyone would know exactly where we and they stood. | |||
