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I have a funny feeling the whole premise for majority of the leave vote ( not necessarily the leave campaign) was along the lines of this:
We take back Britain for Brits. We take back the jobs in Britain for Brits. We take back the welfare benefits/ social housing/ free NHS/ schools etc for Brits.
The poles/ Romanians/ refugees/ economic migrants/ Nigerians/ Jamaicans/ Pakistanis/ Indians/ Zimbabweans etc are too many here. It was not like that in my time, my father's time etc.
Unfortunately or unfortunately, in today's Britain, you CANNOT tell who is or isn't British and what the vast majority of the leave voters or even the remain voters had no idea about was how this whole thing was going to pan out.
One question I have never been able to answer is why the referendum was called in the first place.
Is there a turning back option?
How much money has been spent on this matter?
How much more will be spent before it is concluded?
How much was the expected savings?
Is it looking good or was it much ado about a colossal loss? |
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I remember reading a quote from Rupert Murdoch on why he was so opposed to the European Union, He said something like
When I go into Downing Street they do what I say, When I go to Brussels they take no notice,
Says it all to me (if it was true)
The super rich will love only having to have a few PM's in their back pocket,
I don't know if it will turn out good for us leaving but parts of this country was left to rot by previous governments at least the EU tried to address that |
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It's a good post for the  politics forum
The vote was called by the conservative party to pull voters from Ukip at the election.
I don't think anyone' knew what would happen if leave won, as the government didn't educate the population. And it was probably too complex a decision to expect people to make.
It should have remained an advisory referendum with the government left in a better picture about public mood. |
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over a year ago
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I voted leave. I want out and none of this transition shit. I want borders upheld, courts of the land as the final law of the land, no tax payer money funneled into an EU army that would be used to quell nationalist separatist movements and for the Brita to rules themselves.
We voted out, the people who could be bothered to get up and vote did. It's been decided, let's get on with it.
Stop racialising the vote. Stop complaining and stop be being a cuck for the EU. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I voted leave. I want out and none of this transition shit. I want borders upheld, courts of the land as the final law of the land, no tax payer money funneled into an EU army that would be used to quell nationalist separatist movements and for the Brita to rules themselves.
We voted out, the people who could be bothered to get up and vote did. It's been decided, let's get on with it.
Stop racialising the vote. Stop complaining and stop be being a cuck for the EU."
Wow couldn't have put that Better if I'd tried ?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Populism have been historically the cancer of Mankind.
Specially in the modern Europe."
Yeah true.However it's also a time of change and chaos.Out of that chaos something new and refreshing . Sometimes you need to year it all down and start again. |
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Yeah , I don't like what he is saying so I'll twist it and then call him names in the hope that there will be a sheep-mentality following.
Rather than I don't agree with u coz of a b or c. Too much credit being given, I think. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Stop complaining and stop be being a cuck for the EU."
Given that the current brexit debacle is the culmination of forty years worth of complaining, this attempt to shut down discussion can go get fucked.
And let's all do you a favour and pretend you never wrote the second half of that sentence. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yeah , I don't like what he is saying so I'll twist it and then call him names in the hope that there will be a sheep-mentality following.
Rather than I don't agree with u coz of a b or c. Too much credit being given, I think. "
Is that in response to the guy who said you is a cuck for the EU.  |
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"Populism have been historically the cancer of Mankind.
Specially in the modern Europe. Yeah true.However it's also a time of change and chaos.Out of that chaos something new and refreshing . Sometimes you need to year it all down and start again."
Yes indeed that's true , however
One does not tear it all down before one has rather a clear plan of action and a consensus of what needs to be corrected 
Humanity needs to be started again perhaps , world capitalism , world financial concepts , world land laws or ownership
But just like leaving the eu practically this is not feasible thus better to incrementally change and communally evolve the entire world
The world has bigger problems bigger than any one nation and joined up thinking is required not 12463 differing tribes all wanting to be top dog
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"I voted leave. I want out and none of this transition shit. I want borders upheld, courts of the land as the final law of the land, no tax payer money funneled into an EU army that would be used to quell nationalist separatist movements and for the Brita to rules themselves.
We voted out, the people who could be bothered to get up and vote did. It's been decided, let's get on with it.
Stop racialising the vote. Stop complaining and stop be being a cuck for the EU."
in the last 30 months or so since brexit was being discussed on here that is the first time anyone has mentioned 'race' in relation to the debate..
what are you on about? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I remember reading a quote from Rupert Murdoch on why he was so opposed to the European Union, He said something like
When I go into Downing Street they do what I say, When I go to Brussels they take no notice,
Says it all to me (if it was true)
The super rich will love only having to have a few PM's in their back pocket,
I don't know if it will turn out good for us leaving but parts of this country was left to rot by previous governments at least the EU tried to address that "
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That's the biggest load of misconception going, there's 40,000 registered lobbyists working in Brussels, if the EU took no notice of wealthy business or billionaires do you really think there'd be more lobbyists in Brussels than Washington? |
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"I voted leave. I want out and none of this transition shit. I want borders upheld, courts of the land as the final law of the land, no tax payer money funneled into an EU army that would be used to quell nationalist separatist movements and for the Brita to rules themselves.
We voted out, the people who could be bothered to get up and vote did. It's been decided, let's get on with it.
Stop racialising the vote. Stop complaining and stop be being a cuck for the EU.
in the last 30 months or so since brexit was being discussed on here that is the first time anyone has mentioned 'race' in relation to the debate..
what are you on about? "
Well race does exist and sadly in my family. Here is a statement from an Octavian in my family. A retired businessman and well off - a millionaire! He and his wife spent years travelling Europe for months at a time in a motor home - best described as a luxury bus! Cruises now mainly in the Caribbean. He lives in a sleepy Cotswold town - virtually no immigration. He heard two people talking in his town in a foreign language he proudly States when justifying his leave vote. I asked him if he didn't like that - no answer as he thought about what he'd just said. How would be have felt if Europeans had the same thoughts all those years ago. My father is racist, he may not think he is, but deep down he is.  |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"I voted leave. I want out and none of this transition shit. I want borders upheld, courts of the land as the final law of the land, no tax payer money funneled into an EU army that would be used to quell nationalist separatist movements and for the Brita to rules themselves.
We voted out, the people who could be bothered to get up and vote did. It's been decided, let's get on with it.
Stop racialising the vote. Stop complaining and stop be being a cuck for the EU."
Many thought that was what they wanted but those thoughts were not based on any deep understanding of the issues involved. Liam Fox would be expected to have a better handle on these situations than the average person on the street (including you and I) but he showed himself up in the summer of 2016 to be totally clueless on the workings of the UE, the UK and how that relationship exists. It is therefore no surprise when ordinary people think of the UK and the EU in such very simplistic terms, particularly when they are lead by political leaders who ought to know better.
The transition shit that you refer to is going to be there to protect British businesses from the shock of Brexit. Try thinking of it as the phase from an aircraft cruising at 35,000 feet and being stopped on the ground. There is a transition phase to descend and position the aircraft for a controlled landing. You have lived with the EU for so long that you don’t know any different kind of regulatory model but businesses know that change brings the opportunity for damage as well as success and they need time to prepare. Unless you are angling for a destruction of British business and the tanking of the economy, then you really ought to be supporting the opportunity for business to prepare.
As for borders to be upheld... what do you think is going to change? The UK will not suddenly change from its current position of being outside the Shenghen agreement whereby our borders are currently upheld and everyone needs to show their passport. Hopefully what might change is that the Government starts to do what they have always meant to do and that is to monitor people who have no right to be here. They have always had the right to remove even EU passport holders who were not working or self supporting.
Your comment about the poster being a chuck to the EU is simply offensive and says far more about your limited thought capacity and your desire to shut down debate than t says about him. |
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over a year ago
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"I voted leave. I want out and none of this transition shit. I want borders upheld, courts of the land as the final law of the land, no tax payer money funneled into an EU army that would be used to quell nationalist separatist movements and for the Brita to rules themselves.
We voted out, the people who could be bothered to get up and vote did. It's been decided, let's get on with it.
Stop racialising the vote. Stop complaining and stop be being a cuck for the EU."
ask yourself ..if the uk government didnt have palimentary soveingty if it didnt have the final say in anything and the EU is the all powerful undemocratic system ...then how did you uk goverment manage to hold a democratic vote to leave the eu? |
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"I voted leave. I want out and none of this transition shit. I want borders upheld, courts of the land as the final law of the land, no tax payer money funneled into an EU army that would be used to quell nationalist separatist movements and for the Brita to rules themselves.
We voted out, the people who could be bothered to get up and vote did. It's been decided, let's get on with it.
Stop racialising the vote. Stop complaining and stop be being a cuck for the EU. ask yourself ..if the uk government didnt have palimentary soveingty if it didnt have the final say in anything and the EU is the all powerful undemocratic system ...then how did you uk goverment manage to hold a democratic vote to leave the eu?"
I thought it was about getting out before that power was taken away.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I voted leave. I want out and none of this transition shit. I want borders upheld, courts of the land as the final law of the land, no tax payer money funneled into an EU army that would be used to quell nationalist separatist movements and for the Brita to rules themselves.
We voted out, the people who could be bothered to get up and vote did. It's been decided, let's get on with it.
Stop racialising the vote. Stop complaining and stop be being a cuck for the EU. ask yourself ..if the uk government didnt have palimentary soveingty if it didnt have the final say in anything and the EU is the all powerful undemocratic system ...then how did you uk goverment manage to hold a democratic vote to leave the eu?
I thought it was about getting out before that power was taken away.."
i havent seen or heard anything to say that power was being taken away have you?
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I think you're half right, there was certainly a sense of economic nationalism, and in part civic nationalism.
Problem is there is a spectrum of the leave vote as it were.
The minority of people are the "Britain for the British" white nationalists - notice the minority, atleast from what I saw.
The other section were British nationals of any race or creed who had an economic grudge against the EU, or because they saw it as giving migration priority to EU nationals over, say Indian nationals (in the case of many Sikhs and Hindus). Once again this vote has a spectrum, people who want complete out of the EU, and others who looked at it and said, "it has the potential to be better but it's too far down the federalist path now."
In short to tarnish all leave voters as racial/ethnic bigots is wrong and bigoted in itself.
There were many other factors in the vote. One of my neighbours voted leave simply because they viewed the UK decision making as been centred around London and the South East, and that not enough investment was not coming up North. And that's a big incentive to vote leave, when you have vast amounts of people whose lives are still broken after the financial crash, whilst others are off to Dubai twice a year... |
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"I voted leave. I want out and none of this transition shit. I want borders upheld, courts of the land as the final law of the land, no tax payer money funneled into an EU army that would be used to quell nationalist separatist movements and for the Brita to rules themselves.
We voted out, the people who could be bothered to get up and vote did. It's been decided, let's get on with it.
Stop racialising the vote. Stop complaining and stop be being a cuck for the EU. ask yourself ..if the uk government didnt have palimentary soveingty if it didnt have the final say in anything and the EU is the all powerful undemocratic system ...then how did you uk goverment manage to hold a democratic vote to leave the eu?
I thought it was about getting out before that power was taken away.. i havent seen or heard anything to say that power was being taken away have you?
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Obviously not been tuned into Donald Tusks pronunciations on “the future of the EU”? |
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"I voted leave. I want out and none of this transition shit. I want borders upheld, courts of the land as the final law of the land, no tax payer money funneled into an EU army that would be used to quell nationalist separatist movements and for the Brita to rules themselves.
We voted out, the people who could be bothered to get up and vote did. It's been decided, let's get on with it.
Stop racialising the vote. Stop complaining and stop be being a cuck for the EU. ask yourself ..if the uk government didnt have palimentary soveingty if it didnt have the final say in anything and the EU is the all powerful undemocratic system ...then how did you uk goverment manage to hold a democratic vote to leave the eu?
I thought it was about getting out before that power was taken away.."
The UK has several unique special advantages to its membership of the EU. It has a veto which can't be taken away. Integration (shengen), joining the Euro & the Rebate. None of the other members have such benefits. The recent bill to leave stated that the UK parliament was sovereign and always has been sovereign. If you want 100% sovereignty - rule yourselves then we would have to leave hundreds of international agreements which we have signed up to - UN, various conversations - Geneva Vienna etc. We then end up like North Korea - masters of ourselves - but even they are in U.N. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I voted leave. I want out and none of this transition shit. I want borders upheld, courts of the land as the final law of the land, no tax payer money funneled into an EU army that would be used to quell nationalist separatist movements and for the Brita to rules themselves.
We voted out, the people who could be bothered to get up and vote did. It's been decided, let's get on with it.
Stop racialising the vote. Stop complaining and stop be being a cuck for the EU."
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By (user no longer on site)
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Do you think now that more people think that voting in the EU elections was more important than they thought given the turnouts they used to attract....as we could of influenced the decisions taken in the EU parliament...and that any government placed any importance on them? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The irony of Britain first for the white majority is that brexit will prevent an influx of white Christians from the EU and increase immigration from non white non Christians.Brexit will increase diversity.  |
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"I voted leave. I want out and none of this transition shit. I want borders upheld, courts of the land as the final law of the land, no tax payer money funneled into an EU army that would be used to quell nationalist separatist movements and for the Brita to rules themselves.
We voted out, the people who could be bothered to get up and vote did. It's been decided, let's get on with it.
Stop racialising the vote. Stop complaining and stop be being a cuck for the EU."
When my friends and I debate brexit it tends to feel that leavers vote on points of principal (control, sovereignty etc) while remainers tend to point to the cost of achieving these values.
In my mind we should be evaluating the tangible impact we expect from attaining the values versus the cost.
So I would be asking how many times have the ECJ ruled against the UK. And how many would you disagree with. How will you expect the additional border control to help (and not hinder) you and the Uk. And how much will not funding an eu army save us (And if this is a point of principal, was there any other way to resolve? After all the Eu took a panning for NOT intervening in Spain.)
And what will you be prepared to pay to get the above? And how likely is it there will be that cost.
Ps not specifically directed at the poster. It’s more a rant at my friends !  |
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"I voted leave. I want out and none of this transition shit. I want borders upheld, courts of the land as the final law of the land, no tax payer money funneled into an EU army that would be used to quell nationalist separatist movements and for the Brita to rules themselves.
We voted out, the people who could be bothered to get up and vote did. It's been decided, let's get on with it.
Stop racialising the vote. Stop complaining and stop be being a cuck for the EU. ask yourself ..if the uk government didnt have palimentary soveingty if it didnt have the final say in anything and the EU is the all powerful undemocratic system ...then how did you uk goverment manage to hold a democratic vote to leave the eu?
I thought it was about getting out before that power was taken away.. i havent seen or heard anything to say that power was being taken away have you?
Obviously not been tuned into Donald Tusks pronunciations on “the future of the EU”?"
so youre saying that and ever closer union and an eu army means taking away power from the uk? |
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"I voted leave. I want out and none of this transition shit. I want borders upheld, courts of the land as the final law of the land, no tax payer money funneled into an EU army that would be used to quell nationalist separatist movements and for the Brita to rules themselves.
We voted out, the people who could be bothered to get up and vote did. It's been decided, let's get on with it.
Stop racialising the vote. Stop complaining and stop be being a cuck for the EU.
in the last 30 months or so since brexit was being discussed on here that is the first time anyone has mentioned 'race' in relation to the debate..
what are you on about?
Well race does exist and sadly in my family. Here is a statement from an Octavian in my family. A retired businessman and well off - a millionaire! He and his wife spent years travelling Europe for months at a time in a motor home - best described as a luxury bus! Cruises now mainly in the Caribbean. He lives in a sleepy Cotswold town - virtually no immigration. He heard two people talking in his town in a foreign language he proudly States when justifying his leave vote. I asked him if he didn't like that - no answer as he thought about what he'd just said. How would be have felt if Europeans had the same thoughts all those years ago. My father is racist, he may not think he is, but deep down he is. "
Thinking about it we also know people of a similar mindset, think my post was a senior moment given what has often been said by some on here too..
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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I have a funny feeling the whole premise for majority of the leave vote ( not necessarily the leave campaign) was along the lines of this:
We take back Britain for Brits. We take back the jobs in Britain for Brits. We take back the welfare benefits/ social housing/ free NHS/ schools etc for Brits.
The poles/ Romanians/ refugees/ economic migrants/ Nigerians/ Jamaicans/ Pakistanis/ Indians/ Zimbabweans etc are too many here. It was not like that in my time, my father's time etc.
Unfortunately or unfortunately, in today's Britain, you CANNOT tell who is or isn't British and what the vast majority of the leave voters or even the remain voters had no idea about was how this whole thing was going to pan out.
One question I have never been able to answer is why the referendum was called in the first place.
Is there a turning back option?
How much money has been spent on this matter?
How much more will be spent before it is concluded?
How much was the expected savings?
Is it looking good or was it much ado about a colossal loss?"
I can agree with much of what you wrote. I think that Britain has lost its identity and is unsure in a fast changing world. |
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"I feel that "non racists who voted for brexit" is an oxymoron in the same vein as "military intelligence". "
Dear lord thats a red tag to a bull.Not all brexiters are xenophobic and only a minority are racist.Although many could be considered complicit . |
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"I feel that "non racists who voted for brexit" is an oxymoron in the same vein as "military intelligence". "
I voted to leave the EU. I am not a racist or xenophobic, in fact I voted to leave the EU because I believe that until the British people wake up to the fact that the Empire is gone and we are nothing more than a small island off the coast of Europe that cant even feed our own population we will never totally integrate and will continue block and to hold back the EU's evolution into the largest and most powerful democratic federation in the world.
And yes I am a federalist. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I feel that "non racists who voted for brexit" is an oxymoron in the same vein as "military intelligence".
Dear lord thats a red tag to a bull.Not all brexiters are xenophobic and only a minority are racist.Although many could be considered complicit ."
Well, more that they're "not racist, but..." |
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"The same people who told you Brexit was going to be great are also now trying to tell you that your dog/cat any kinda animal cannot feel pain let that sink in
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W T F is that about ????? |
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"The same people who told you Brexit was going to be great are also now trying to tell you that your dog/cat any kinda animal cannot feel pain let that sink in
W T F is that about ?????"
MPs have voted to reject the inclusion of animal sentience – the admission that animals feel emotion and pain – into the EU Withdrawal Bill. |
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"W T F is that about ?????"
It is about nothing and everything. The tories had promised to protect animal welfare post brexit but have now refused to enshrine that in law begging the question 'what was their original promise worth?'. It should also be noted that a persons attitude towards animals is a good indicator of how they will treat people (especially the vulnerable) that they have power over.
But then we all know tories are hard on the poor and vulnerable and soft on the rich and powerful. |
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"The same people who told you Brexit was going to be great are also now trying to tell you that your dog/cat any kinda animal cannot feel pain let that sink in
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Who told us Brexit was going to be great? I remember the tory party asking me to vote remain? So who are you on about? |
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Is there a turning back option?
How much money has been spent on this matter?
How much more will be spent before it is concluded?
How much was the expected savings?
Is it looking good or was it much ado about a colossal loss? |
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Nobody really knows, though some believe they do! There’s a danger of getting a bit drowned in detail and in particular in the messy separation arrangements. My own view hasn’t changed significantly since the vote: I was divided then and basically still am. So far as the economy is concerned I still think that the safer and probably wiser course was to stay in, and being on the whole a cautious chap, I don’t think I was particularly mistaken to vote remain. But I’ve moved on and while I can see the risks I can see opportunities. My best guess would be a few relatively rocky years but with plenty of room for optimism in the longer term.
But though I think the economic arguments were , on the whole, stronger on the remain side, I will not be at all sorry to see the back of much else ( not all) that was involved in membership. Though I am rather sorry that in leaving we weaken the hand of those who argue for a Europe of Nations as opposed to the “ ever closer Union” .
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By (user no longer on site)
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Is there a turning back option?
How much money has been spent on this matter?
How much more will be spent before it is concluded?
How much was the expected savings?
Is it looking good or was it much ado about a colossal loss?"
Well rejoin in a few decades that's what i think.It will be eye wateringly expensive to leave .Regardless of the deals we get or don't get.The expected savings are on the side of a bus.
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Is there a turning back option?
How much money has been spent on this matter?
How much more will be spent before it is concluded?
How much was the expected savings?
Is it looking good or was it much ado about a colossal loss?
Well rejoin in a few decades that's what i think.It will be eye wateringly expensive to leave .Regardless of the deals we get or don't get.The expected savings are on the side of a bus.
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I'm not sure that people who voted leave were concerned about the financial impact either way. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Is there a turning back option?
How much money has been spent on this matter?
How much more will be spent before it is concluded?
How much was the expected savings?
Is it looking good or was it much ado about a colossal loss?
Well rejoin in a few decades that's what i think.It will be eye wateringly expensive to leave .Regardless of the deals we get or don't get.The expected savings are on the side of a bus.
I'm not sure that people who voted leave were concerned about the financial impact either way."
You are absolutely correct.It was an emotive vote.People voted not to be European and to be British and sovereign and let's be honest if 20,00 bankers lost their jobs most of the country would raise a glass to that. |
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Is there a turning back option?
How much money has been spent on this matter?
How much more will be spent before it is concluded?
How much was the expected savings?
Is it looking good or was it much ado about a colossal loss?
Well rejoin in a few decades that's what i think.It will be eye wateringly expensive to leave .Regardless of the deals we get or don't get.The expected savings are on the side of a bus.
I'm not sure that people who voted leave were concerned about the financial impact either way. You are absolutely correct.It was an emotive vote.People voted not to be European and to be British and sovereign and let's be honest if 20,00 bankers lost their jobs most of the country would raise a glass to that. "
Absolutely. It was a reaction against the greedy. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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Is there a turning back option?
How much money has been spent on this matter?
How much more will be spent before it is concluded?
How much was the expected savings?
Is it looking good or was it much ado about a colossal loss?
Well rejoin in a few decades that's what i think.It will be eye wateringly expensive to leave .Regardless of the deals we get or don't get.The expected savings are on the side of a bus.
I'm not sure that people who voted leave were concerned about the financial impact either way. You are absolutely correct.It was an emotive vote.People voted not to be European and to be British and sovereign and let's be honest if 20,00 bankers lost their jobs most of the country would raise a glass to that.
Absolutely. It was a reaction against the greedy."
Yes, but it would have been better if they shot the greedy in the foot and not themselves. Ourselves. Everyone, bar the 1%.
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Is there a turning back option?
How much money has been spent on this matter?
How much more will be spent before it is concluded?
How much was the expected savings?
Is it looking good or was it much ado about a colossal loss?
Well rejoin in a few decades that's what i think.It will be eye wateringly expensive to leave .Regardless of the deals we get or don't get.The expected savings are on the side of a bus.
I'm not sure that people who voted leave were concerned about the financial impact either way. You are absolutely correct.It was an emotive vote.People voted not to be European and to be British and sovereign and let's be honest if 20,00 bankers lost their jobs most of the country would raise a glass to that.
Absolutely. It was a reaction against the greedy."
I agree.Brexit was seen as an opportunity to put two fingers up
. I'm not convinced it will solve the inequality.We shall see.Its been beneficial for labour and a disaster for the Tories.Who would of thought brexit might deliver an asendent labour party with socialism at its core.Not me.Strange times.
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Is there a turning back option?
How much money has been spent on this matter?
How much more will be spent before it is concluded?
How much was the expected savings?
Is it looking good or was it much ado about a colossal loss?
Well rejoin in a few decades that's what i think.It will be eye wateringly expensive to leave .Regardless of the deals we get or don't get.The expected savings are on the side of a bus.
I'm not sure that people who voted leave were concerned about the financial impact either way. You are absolutely correct.It was an emotive vote.People voted not to be European and to be British and sovereign and let's be honest if 20,00 bankers lost their jobs most of the country would raise a glass to that.
Absolutely. It was a reaction against the greedy.
Yes, but it would have been better if they shot the greedy in the foot and not themselves. Ourselves. Everyone, bar the 1%.
-Matt"
I've heard people complaining that foreign holidays might be tricky as they might need a visa.... sad times indeed. |
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over a year ago
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Is there a turning back option?
How much money has been spent on this matter?
How much more will be spent before it is concluded?
How much was the expected savings?
Is it looking good or was it much ado about a colossal loss?
Well rejoin in a few decades that's what i think.It will be eye wateringly expensive to leave .Regardless of the deals we get or don't get.The expected savings are on the side of a bus.
I'm not sure that people who voted leave were concerned about the financial impact either way. You are absolutely correct.It was an emotive vote.People voted not to be European and to be British and sovereign and let's be honest if 20,00 bankers lost their jobs most of the country would raise a glass to that.
Absolutely. It was a reaction against the greedy.
Yes, but it would have been better if they shot the greedy in the foot and not themselves. Ourselves. Everyone, bar the 1%.
-Matt
I've heard people complaining that foreign holidays might be tricky as they might need a visa.... sad times indeed. "
Exactly. Self-centered, stupid, narrow-minded idiots in the most that can't see that that is the least of the problems looming.
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Is there a turning back option?
How much money has been spent on this matter?
How much more will be spent before it is concluded?
How much was the expected savings?
Is it looking good or was it much ado about a colossal loss?
Well rejoin in a few decades that's what i think.It will be eye wateringly expensive to leave .Regardless of the deals we get or don't get.The expected savings are on the side of a bus.
I'm not sure that people who voted leave were concerned about the financial impact either way. You are absolutely correct.It was an emotive vote.People voted not to be European and to be British and sovereign and let's be honest if 20,00 bankers lost their jobs most of the country would raise a glass to that.
Absolutely. It was a reaction against the greedy.
Yes, but it would have been better if they shot the greedy in the foot and not themselves. Ourselves. Everyone, bar the 1%.
-Matt
I've heard people complaining that foreign holidays might be tricky as they might need a visa.... sad times indeed.
Exactly. Self-centered, stupid, narrow-minded idiots in the most that can't see that that is the least of the problems looming.
-Matt"
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If I had voted to leave, and I was tempted to, it would have been neither for economic reasons nor particularly in order to curb immigration. It would , however, have been to restore the power to do so-and much else- to our own Parliament.
I have some sympathy with those passionate Europeans who want to progress to a United States of Europe with appropriate democratic structures for such an entity, but don’t share that vision. I don’t like the current uncomfortable compromise.
My preferred outcome would have been something along the lines Cameron sought. I suspect many in Europe who frustrated that outcome rather wish now they had acted differently. |
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"The same people who told you Brexit was going to be great are also now trying to tell you that your dog/cat any kinda animal cannot feel pain let that sink in
Who told us Brexit was going to be great? I remember the Tory party asking me to vote remain? So who are you on about? "
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Is there a turning back option?
How much money has been spent on this matter?
How much more will be spent before it is concluded?
How much was the expected savings?
Is it looking good or was it much ado about a colossal loss?
Well rejoin in a few decades that's what i think.It will be eye wateringly expensive to leave .Regardless of the deals we get or don't get.The expected savings are on the side of a bus.
I'm not sure that people who voted leave were concerned about the financial impact either way. You are absolutely correct.It was an emotive vote.People voted not to be European and to be British and sovereign and let's be honest if 20,00 bankers lost their jobs most of the country would raise a glass to that.
Absolutely. It was a reaction against the greedy.
Yes, but it would have been better if they shot the greedy in the foot and not themselves. Ourselves. Everyone, bar the 1%.
-Matt
I've heard people complaining that foreign holidays might be tricky as they might need a visa.... sad times indeed.
Exactly. Self-centered, stupid, narrow-minded idiots in the most that can't see that that is the least of the problems looming.
-Matt
I'm hoping we'll end up somewhere like Britain in the 1920's."
The future is always better than the past.Its the only destination available. |
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Is there a turning back option?
How much money has been spent on this matter?
How much more will be spent before it is concluded?
How much was the expected savings?
Is it looking good or was it much ado about a colossal loss?
Well rejoin in a few decades that's what i think.It will be eye wateringly expensive to leave .Regardless of the deals we get or don't get.The expected savings are on the side of a bus.
I'm not sure that people who voted leave were concerned about the financial impact either way. You are absolutely correct.It was an emotive vote.People voted not to be European and to be British and sovereign and let's be honest if 20,00 bankers lost their jobs most of the country would raise a glass to that. "
Amply demonstrating that most of the country is comprised of belligerent halfwits |
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Is there a turning back option?
How much money has been spent on this matter?
How much more will be spent before it is concluded?
How much was the expected savings?
Is it looking good or was it much ado about a colossal loss?
Well rejoin in a few decades that's what i think.It will be eye wateringly expensive to leave .Regardless of the deals we get or don't get.The expected savings are on the side of a bus.
I'm not sure that people who voted leave were concerned about the financial impact either way. You are absolutely correct.It was an emotive vote.People voted not to be European and to be British and sovereign and let's be honest if 20,00 bankers lost their jobs most of the country would raise a glass to that.
Amply demonstrating that most of the country is comprised of belligerent halfwits"
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"If I had voted to leave, and I was tempted to, it would have been neither for economic reasons nor particularly in order to curb immigration. It would , however, have been to restore the power to do so-and much else- to our own Parliament.
I have some sympathy with those passionate Europeans who want to progress to a United States of Europe with appropriate democratic structures for such an entity, but don’t share that vision. I don’t like the current uncomfortable compromise.
My preferred outcome would have been something along the lines Cameron sought. I suspect many in Europe who frustrated that outcome rather wish now they had acted differently."
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Is there a turning back option?
How much money has been spent on this matter?
How much more will be spent before it is concluded?
How much was the expected savings?
Is it looking good or was it much ado about a colossal loss?
Well rejoin in a few decades that's what i think.It will be eye wateringly expensive to leave .Regardless of the deals we get or don't get.The expected savings are on the side of a bus.
I'm not sure that people who voted leave were concerned about the financial impact either way. You are absolutely correct.It was an emotive vote.People voted not to be European and to be British and sovereign and let's be honest if 20,00 bankers lost their jobs most of the country would raise a glass to that.
Absolutely. It was a reaction against the greedy. I agree.Brexit was seen as an opportunity to put two fingers up
. I'm not convinced it will solve the inequality.We shall see.Its been beneficial for labour and a disaster for the Tories.Who would of thought brexit might deliver an asendent labour party with socialism at its core.Not me.Strange times.
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Actually it was totally predictable. Once the Tories give up the "Economically Pragmatic" high ground there is little reason why people should continue to vote for them. The real amazing thing is not that Labour are doing so well, because they're not, but why are they still doing so badly against a government that everyone from far left to moderate right thinks has made a total hash of things. |
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"W T F is that about ?????
It is about nothing and everything. The tories had promised to protect animal welfare post brexit but have now refused to enshrine that in law begging the question 'what was their original promise worth?'. It should also be noted that a persons attitude towards animals is a good indicator of how they will treat people (especially the vulnerable) that they have power over.
But then we all know tories are hard on the poor and vulnerable and soft on the rich and powerful."
It's actually really funny that people like Caroline Lucas think animals would be better protected in the EU. After all the EU seems perfectly happy to let Spain continue with Bullfighting, which is a sport in Spain and incredibly cruel to animals for no other reason than entertainment purposes. Why isn't Caroline Lucas getting her knickers in a twist about that then? |
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"W T F is that about ?????
It is about nothing and everything. The tories had promised to protect animal welfare post brexit but have now refused to enshrine that in law begging the question 'what was their original promise worth?'. It should also be noted that a persons attitude towards animals is a good indicator of how they will treat people (especially the vulnerable) that they have power over.
But then we all know tories are hard on the poor and vulnerable and soft on the rich and powerful.
It's actually really funny that people like Caroline Lucas think animals would be better protected in the EU. After all the EU seems perfectly happy to let Spain continue with Bullfighting, which is a sport in Spain and incredibly cruel to animals for no other reason than entertainment purposes. Why isn't Caroline Lucas getting her knickers in a twist about that then? "
"You can't comment on this, unless you also talk about this" is a tired and obviously deceitful little waste of time.
And inadvertently exposes a little problem, if the UK going it alone is meant to be something that works better than being in the EU, why is your defense of this action to point out that the UK is no better than the institute you claim to despise.
You'll have to do better than that.
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"The same people who told you Brexit was going to be great are also now trying to tell you that your dog/cat any kinda animal cannot feel pain let that sink in
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This whole thing that Caroline Lucas of the Green party whipped up is a storm in a teacup and since you posted this comment 7 days ago has been proven to be fake news. Caroline Lucas tried to put an ammendment in the EU withdrawal bill on animals having feelings which was rejected by the House of Commons because it already exits in UK law. There is no point in transferring it over from EU law into UK law as part of the EU withdrawal bill because what she proposed in her ammendment already exists in UK law. Caroline Lucas is clueless, should have done her homework and really should have known better. As I already pointed out in an earlier comment things like bullfighting already happen elsewhere in the EU anyway but Caroline Lucas doesn't seem to be overly concerned about that! Are those Bulls in Spain feeling any pain while they are being impaled with multiple spears by Matadors Caroline? Someone really should ask her that in Parliament next time she brings this up. |
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"I voted leave. I want out and none of this transition shit. I want borders upheld, courts of the land as the final law of the land, no tax payer money funneled into an EU army that would be used to quell nationalist separatist movements and for the Brita to rules themselves.
We voted out, the people who could be bothered to get up and vote did. It's been decided, let's get on with it.
Stop racialising the vote. Stop complaining and stop be being a cuck for the EU."
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