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And get on with things !
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
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My Tin Hat is On "Leave with what, no deal? | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
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Leave with what, no deal?"That is sadly a real possibility. | |||
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My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal?
That is sadly a real possibility."i know.. that some think its fine is a bit beyond me.. | |||
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"so many shitting bricks about this, is infact laughable" I bet MPs are shitting bricks, with talk of rebellion and lack of confidence in the government as the MPs scrutinise the Brexit document re transferring EU laws into British law. | |||
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"so many shitting bricks about this, is infact laughable I bet MPs are shitting bricks, with talk of rebellion and lack of confidence in the government as the MPs scrutinise the Brexit document re transferring EU laws into British law." Doubt it very much, most could get by without their salary, they have lovely pensions set up to provide for a long life and most can walk into other employment, thing they would lose most is there feeling of "power" | |||
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"so many shitting bricks about this, is infact laughable I bet MPs are shitting bricks, with talk of rebellion and lack of confidence in the government as the MPs scrutinise the Brexit document re transferring EU laws into British law. Doubt it very much, most could get by without their salary, they have lovely pensions set up to provide for a long life and most can walk into other employment, thing they would lose most is there feeling of "power"" People tend to like the status quo. Brexit and the lead up to withdrawing from the EU are very unsettling. Believe it or not MPs are people  | |||
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"so many shitting bricks about this, is infact laughable I bet MPs are shitting bricks, with talk of rebellion and lack of confidence in the government as the MPs scrutinise the Brexit document re transferring EU laws into British law. Doubt it very much, most could get by without their salary, they have lovely pensions set up to provide for a long life and most can walk into other employment, thing they would lose most is there feeling of "power" People tend to like the status quo. Brexit and the lead up to withdrawing from the EU are very unsettling. Believe it or not MPs are people "That's true and perhaps the "trigger" to another Independence referendum in Scotland, they already have a mandate for one  | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On "That would be like a patient getting up in the middle of a kidney transplant operation and leaving so that they could get in with things. Saying just leave is a shallow thought lacking any reason or logic. | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
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My Tin Hat is On "Well. The UK has a weak negotiating position and a lack of leadership. Maybe threatening suicide might get some small sympathy concessions. | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal?"Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now ! We're been black mailed ! | |||
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"so many shitting bricks about this, is infact laughable I bet MPs are shitting bricks, with talk of rebellion and lack of confidence in the government as the MPs scrutinise the Brexit document re transferring EU laws into British law. Doubt it very much, most could get by without their salary, they have lovely pensions set up to provide for a long life and most can walk into other employment, thing they would lose most is there feeling of "power" People tend to like the status quo. Brexit and the lead up to withdrawing from the EU are very unsettling. Believe it or not MPs are people
That's true and perhaps the "trigger" to another Independence referendum in Scotland, they already have a mandate for one "Now your talking  | |||
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"so many shitting bricks about this, is infact laughable I bet MPs are shitting bricks, with talk of rebellion and lack of confidence in the government as the MPs scrutinise the Brexit document re transferring EU laws into British law. Doubt it very much, most could get by without their salary, they have lovely pensions set up to provide for a long life and most can walk into other employment, thing they would lose most is there feeling of "power" People tend to like the status quo. Brexit and the lead up to withdrawing from the EU are very unsettling. Believe it or not MPs are people
That's true and perhaps the "trigger" to another Independence referendum in Scotland, they already have a mandate for one "All the remainers can move to Scotland. Although I'd get jealous cos i have a thing for a male Scottish accent | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal? Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now !
We're been black mailed !"Nobodies black mailing anyone. The UK wants to negotiate an exit from legal agreements. They have the option of walking away completely with no penalty (an option you or I wont get with most of our legal agreements) or they could negotiate a different deal. It just so happens that walking away with nothing will ruin your economy. So now theres a vocal group of people crying about the fact that they cant get everything they want the way they want it. Brexiters are just spoiled brats who dont understand that they cant snap their fingers and get handed the world on a plate. | |||
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"So now theres a vocal group of people crying about the fact that they cant get everything they want the way they want it. Brexiters are just spoiled brats who dont understand that they cant snap their fingers and get handed the world on a plate." How to insult a group of people when there's no need  , after all one of the vocal groups mentioned on the news at one, were labour remainers! | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal? Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now !
We're been black mailed !
Nobodies black mailing anyone.
The UK wants to negotiate an exit from legal agreements. They have the option of walking away completely with no penalty (an option you or I wont get with most of our legal agreements) or they could negotiate a different deal. It just so happens that walking away with nothing will ruin your economy.
So now theres a vocal group of people crying about the fact that they cant get everything they want the way they want it. Brexiters are just spoiled brats who dont understand that they cant snap their fingers and get handed the world on a plate."wow spoilt brats lol are we traitors racists Jeremy Kyle watchers aswell ? It's unreal the amount of abuse the leave voters get on here wtffffff . | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal? Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now !
We're been black mailed !
Nobodies black mailing anyone.
The UK wants to negotiate an exit from legal agreements. They have the option of walking away completely with no penalty (an option you or I wont get with most of our legal agreements) or they could negotiate a different deal. It just so happens that walking away with nothing will ruin your economy.
So now theres a vocal group of people crying about the fact that they cant get everything they want the way they want it. Brexiters are just spoiled brats who dont understand that they cant snap their fingers and get handed the world on a plate. wow spoilt brats lol are we traitors racists Jeremy Kyle watchers aswell ? It's unreal the amount of abuse the leave voters get on here wtffffff . "I prefer Homes under the Hammer | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal? Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now !
We're been black mailed !"pretty much all of UK business leaders are saying that would be the worse option.. the status quo is preferable to having no deal, there will be an extension in all likelihood to prevent a panic from business.. 'black mailed'? by whom and how? | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal? Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now !
We're been black mailed !
pretty much all of UK business leaders are saying that would be the worse option..
the status quo is preferable to having no deal, there will be an extension in all likelihood to prevent a panic from business..
'black mailed'? by whom and how? "it's quite simple really ! The EU are saying if you don't gives us the money we want we won't even discuss a trade deal ! If that isn't black mail I don't know what is ? | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal? Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now !
We're been black mailed !
pretty much all of UK business leaders are saying that would be the worse option..
the status quo is preferable to having no deal, there will be an extension in all likelihood to prevent a panic from business..
'black mailed'? by whom and how? it's quite simple really ! The EU are saying if you don't gives us the money we want we won't even discuss a trade deal !
If that isn't black mail I don't know what is ? "both sides are looking after their own, which was always going to be the case so why the surprise now? we will owe something as we have commitments that we as members have agreed to, yes we could just walk away and say your not getting another penny but who will want to sign any trade agreements with us if we do act like that? | |||
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"Op - propose with justification and an impact assessment - otherwise it just appears like whimsical posting, without analysis of the potentially huge implications. Europe will still be a major trading partner after exit. The UK depends upon European airspace and infrastructure as well as agreements. You'd ground all flights etc? Northern Ireland and Ireland have land borders and requires agreement upon Customs and immigration. There's a huge, long list of other essential processes that running a country connected to the world entails. And the UK is not ready. Hundreds of trade agreements are needed - we have massive work to do to get them. And then there's all the new legislation that is needed. If I knew no better, I'd assume the op posted a question asked by a 6 year old, who understands little of the complexities of the adult world and international affairs / trade." Savage  | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal? Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now !
We're been black mailed !
Nobodies black mailing anyone.
The UK wants to negotiate an exit from legal agreements. They have the option of walking away completely with no penalty (an option you or I wont get with most of our legal agreements) or they could negotiate a different deal. It just so happens that walking away with nothing will ruin your economy.
So now theres a vocal group of people crying about the fact that they cant get everything they want the way they want it. Brexiters are just spoiled brats who dont understand that they cant snap their fingers and get handed the world on a plate."The only ones crying are remoaners who still can't come to terms with the fact they lost the referendum......and Donald Tusk he looks like he's about to burst into tears every time he talks about Brexit, lol. Oh and spoiled brats, remoaners fit the bill on that count too, they have done nothing but behave like spoiled brats every single day since the referendum result was announced, having temper tantrums, bitching, moaning and wailing and knashing their teeth as it becomes ever more clear to them with each passing day that we are in fact leaving. Remoaners are the real spoiled brats, the haughty self styled highly educated full of their own self importance who have thrown the biggest hissy fit in history since the referendum because they can't get their own way. | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal? Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now !
We're been black mailed !
Nobodies black mailing anyone.
The UK wants to negotiate an exit from legal agreements. They have the option of walking away completely with no penalty (an option you or I wont get with most of our legal agreements) or they could negotiate a different deal. It just so happens that walking away with nothing will ruin your economy.
So now theres a vocal group of people crying about the fact that they cant get everything they want the way they want it. Brexiters are just spoiled brats who dont understand that they cant snap their fingers and get handed the world on a plate.
The only ones crying are remoaners who still can't come to terms with the fact they lost the referendum......and Donald Tusk he looks like he's about to burst into tears every time he talks about Brexit, lol. Oh and spoiled brats, remoaners fit the bill on that count too, they have done nothing but behave like spoiled brats every single day since the referendum result was announced, having temper tantrums, bitching, moaning and wailing and knashing their teeth as it becomes ever more clear to them with each passing day that we are in fact leaving. Remoaners are the real spoiled brats, the haughty self styled highly educated full of their own self importance who have thrown the biggest hissy fit in history since the referendum because they can't get their own way. "No wonder some people have the impression that people who voted for Brexit are morons...
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal? Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now !
We're been black mailed !
Nobodies black mailing anyone.
The UK wants to negotiate an exit from legal agreements. They have the option of walking away completely with no penalty (an option you or I wont get with most of our legal agreements) or they could negotiate a different deal. It just so happens that walking away with nothing will ruin your economy.
So now theres a vocal group of people crying about the fact that they cant get everything they want the way they want it. Brexiters are just spoiled brats who dont understand that they cant snap their fingers and get handed the world on a plate.
The only ones crying are remoaners who still can't come to terms with the fact they lost the referendum......and Donald Tusk he looks like he's about to burst into tears every time he talks about Brexit, lol. Oh and spoiled brats, remoaners fit the bill on that count too, they have done nothing but behave like spoiled brats every single day since the referendum result was announced, having temper tantrums, bitching, moaning and wailing and knashing their teeth as it becomes ever more clear to them with each passing day that we are in fact leaving. Remoaners are the real spoiled brats, the haughty self styled highly educated full of their own self importance who have thrown the biggest hissy fit in history since the referendum because they can't get their own way. " | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal? Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now !
We're been black mailed !
Nobodies black mailing anyone.
The UK wants to negotiate an exit from legal agreements. They have the option of walking away completely with no penalty (an option you or I wont get with most of our legal agreements) or they could negotiate a different deal. It just so happens that walking away with nothing will ruin your economy.
So now theres a vocal group of people crying about the fact that they cant get everything they want the way they want it. Brexiters are just spoiled brats who dont understand that they cant snap their fingers and get handed the world on a plate.
The only ones crying are remoaners who still can't come to terms with the fact they lost the referendum......and Donald Tusk he looks like he's about to burst into tears every time he talks about Brexit, lol. Oh and spoiled brats, remoaners fit the bill on that count too, they have done nothing but behave like spoiled brats every single day since the referendum result was announced, having temper tantrums, bitching, moaning and wailing and knashing their teeth as it becomes ever more clear to them with each passing day that we are in fact leaving. Remoaners are the real spoiled brats, the haughty self styled highly educated full of their own self importance who have thrown the biggest hissy fit in history since the referendum because they can't get their own way. "Keep going homer we all love it you make yourself sound such a fool lol | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!!" You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!!" so if we had paid less..? how have we been taken for mugs? | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier "Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty . | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty . "Yes. Aren't they doing a magnificent job? | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty . "You must be mad if you think this government can sort anything out There bunch of halfwits like alot of idiots talking crap on here | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty . "Its £8.6bn but the EU also pays £1bn of your foreign aid. Your net figure also doesnt include money going to the British private sector which is a further £1bn. So the real figure is £6.6bn per year. For that money the UK economy doesnt have to pay £4.5bn in import duties it would otherwise have to pay for exporting to the EU. The added cost of customs checks to deal with EU trade will be £.25bn per year. The additional costs of compliance for companies who wish to export to the EU as a foreign state could be up to £1bn per year. The British consumer goods sector is estimated to lose out on £5.2 bn in export revenue. (Spanish, French and Greek consumers dont want to pay extra for an ironing board just because it was made in Britain). The car sector is estimated to lose £7.9bn. In fact the Baker McKenzie report says that British business could lose up to £17bn per year. The British people would face spending up to an extra £3.8bn in food imports per year with no deal. The UK will also lose 120+ trade agreements with other countries that have been done through the EU. The UK will end up with worse deals here because its a smaller market than the EU and size matters. No one knows yet how many billions this could cost. And you know full well that I and many others have explained to you repeatedly in various ways what you get for money you pay to the EU. And just for reference that £6.6bn is 0.8% of the UKs budget. And thats not a typo, zero point eight per cent. Thats what youve thrown away the countries economic stability for. | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal? Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now !
We're been black mailed !
Nobodies black mailing anyone.
The UK wants to negotiate an exit from legal agreements. They have the option of walking away completely with no penalty (an option you or I wont get with most of our legal agreements) or they could negotiate a different deal. It just so happens that walking away with nothing will ruin your economy.
So now theres a vocal group of people crying about the fact that they cant get everything they want the way they want it. Brexiters are just spoiled brats who dont understand that they cant snap their fingers and get handed the world on a plate.
The only ones crying are remoaners who still can't come to terms with the fact they lost the referendum......and Donald Tusk he looks like he's about to burst into tears every time he talks about Brexit, lol. Oh and spoiled brats, remoaners fit the bill on that count too, they have done nothing but behave like spoiled brats every single day since the referendum result was announced, having temper tantrums, bitching, moaning and wailing and knashing their teeth as it becomes ever more clear to them with each passing day that we are in fact leaving. Remoaners are the real spoiled brats, the haughty self styled highly educated full of their own self importance who have thrown the biggest hissy fit in history since the referendum because they can't get their own way. "We've all come to terms with it. Explaining why it was a bad decision isnt whining, its honest assessment of the situation. Discussing how poorly the Tories are handling it is discussion of the matter at hand. Complaining that the EU is mean for not giving Davis and May whatever it wants is whining. See the people who think Brexit is going badly arent the ones living in a fantasyland. Brexiters live in a fantasy land where Davis gets humiliated when he waves the white flag at the very start of the negotiations and agrees to sequencing and then pretend its a victory like The Sun did. And theyre in a fantasy when they write reports of how post Brexit Britain will be a land of milk and honey but bury the fact that they need the EU to give them free trade and completely upend their tarrif schedule in order to make that happen. If Brexiters werent whining then they'd accept that the UK is on the backfoot for these negotiations (its why theyve lost every point so far) and that they need the EU to survive. And they need to accept that every nation knows the UK is desperate to replicate the 120+ trade deals with 66 different countries just to stand still. That means every country has the advantage over the UK in every negotiation....oh and at best the UK has 3 years and 4 months to fully implement these deals. | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal? Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now !
We're been black mailed !
Nobodies black mailing anyone.
The UK wants to negotiate an exit from legal agreements. They have the option of walking away completely with no penalty (an option you or I wont get with most of our legal agreements) or they could negotiate a different deal. It just so happens that walking away with nothing will ruin your economy.
So now theres a vocal group of people crying about the fact that they cant get everything they want the way they want it. Brexiters are just spoiled brats who dont understand that they cant snap their fingers and get handed the world on a plate.
The only ones crying are remoaners who still can't come to terms with the fact they lost the referendum......and Donald Tusk he looks like he's about to burst into tears every time he talks about Brexit, lol. Oh and spoiled brats, remoaners fit the bill on that count too, they have done nothing but behave like spoiled brats every single day since the referendum result was announced, having temper tantrums, bitching, moaning and wailing and knashing their teeth as it becomes ever more clear to them with each passing day that we are in fact leaving. Remoaners are the real spoiled brats, the haughty self styled highly educated full of their own self importance who have thrown the biggest hissy fit in history since the referendum because they can't get their own way.
We've all come to terms with it. Explaining why it was a bad decision isnt whining, its honest assessment of the situation. Discussing how poorly the Tories are handling it is discussion of the matter at hand. Complaining that the EU is mean for not giving Davis and May whatever it wants is whining.
See the people who think Brexit is going badly arent the ones living in a fantasyland. Brexiters live in a fantasy land where Davis gets humiliated when he waves the white flag at the very start of the negotiations and agrees to sequencing and then pretend its a victory like The Sun did. And theyre in a fantasy when they write reports of how post Brexit Britain will be a land of milk and honey but bury the fact that they need the EU to give them free trade and completely upend their tarrif schedule in order to make that happen.
If Brexiters werent whining then they'd accept that the UK is on the backfoot for these negotiations (its why theyve lost every point so far) and that they need the EU to survive. And they need to accept that every nation knows the UK is desperate to replicate the 120+ trade deals with 66 different countries just to stand still. That means every country has the advantage over the UK in every negotiation....oh and at best the UK has 3 years and 4 months to fully implement these deals."BULLSHIT | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty .
Its £8.6bn but the EU also pays £1bn of your foreign aid. Your net figure also doesnt include money going to the British private sector which is a further £1bn. So the real figure is £6.6bn per year.
For that money the UK economy doesnt have to pay £4.5bn in import duties it would otherwise have to pay for exporting to the EU.
The added cost of customs checks to deal with EU trade will be £.25bn per year.
The additional costs of compliance for companies who wish to export to the EU as a foreign state could be up to £1bn per year.
The British consumer goods sector is estimated to lose out on £5.2 bn in export revenue. (Spanish, French and Greek consumers dont want to pay extra for an ironing board just because it was made in Britain). The car sector is estimated to lose £7.9bn. In fact the Baker McKenzie report says that British business could lose up to £17bn per year.
The British people would face spending up to an extra £3.8bn in food imports per year with no deal.
The UK will also lose 120+ trade agreements with other countries that have been done through the EU. The UK will end up with worse deals here because its a smaller market than the EU and size matters. No one knows yet how many billions this could cost.
And you know full well that I and many others have explained to you repeatedly in various ways what you get for money you pay to the EU. And just for reference that £6.6bn is 0.8% of the UKs budget. And thats not a typo, zero point eight per cent. Thats what youve thrown away the countries economic stability for."Luckily most UK residents do not take such a gloomy m or pessimistic view . The car industry are not too concerned and Tim Martin of Wethespoons stated that there will be marginal savings in the price of food in his restaurants once we leave. If there is any validity to the reports which you quote I would have thought that the time to present such information would have been prior to the referendum, not afterwards. Most people would regard £9 billion as a very substantial sum of money and the % age basis only becomes relevant if the amounts involved were small. When people quote percentages such as these I always think that it smacks of desperation. It is a bit like someone quoting a cost per week when trying to sell a product, they are simply either hiding the true cost or afraid to state it. Investors have already made their assessment on the impact of Brexit. My sentiments lie with their overall assessment . Despite all the various comments on these forums all countries will continue to work together as the German Car industry needs us as much as we need them. Most UK residents will have no overall interest in the losses or gains but will simply want the government to complete the task that they were elected to do. Luckily for us , Theressa May is doing a sterling job and both her and her team will deliver what is expected of the current government . No other party can come close to the support that she has. The recent election results proved this . Luckily for everyone what we say or hear on these forums is irrelevant. What matters is what the government deliver and at what cost . The EU is as dependent on us as were are on them . Some of the stories about the EU wanting to punish us is simply scare mongering. | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal? Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now !
We're been black mailed !
Nobodies black mailing anyone.
The UK wants to negotiate an exit from legal agreements. They have the option of walking away completely with no penalty (an option you or I wont get with most of our legal agreements) or they could negotiate a different deal. It just so happens that walking away with nothing will ruin your economy.
So now theres a vocal group of people crying about the fact that they cant get everything they want the way they want it. Brexiters are just spoiled brats who dont understand that they cant snap their fingers and get handed the world on a plate.
The only ones crying are remoaners who still can't come to terms with the fact they lost the referendum......and Donald Tusk he looks like he's about to burst into tears every time he talks about Brexit, lol. Oh and spoiled brats, remoaners fit the bill on that count too, they have done nothing but behave like spoiled brats every single day since the referendum result was announced, having temper tantrums, bitching, moaning and wailing and knashing their teeth as it becomes ever more clear to them with each passing day that we are in fact leaving. Remoaners are the real spoiled brats, the haughty self styled highly educated full of their own self importance who have thrown the biggest hissy fit in history since the referendum because they can't get their own way.
We've all come to terms with it. Explaining why it was a bad decision isnt whining, its honest assessment of the situation. Discussing how poorly the Tories are handling it is discussion of the matter at hand. Complaining that the EU is mean for not giving Davis and May whatever it wants is whining.
See the people who think Brexit is going badly arent the ones living in a fantasyland. Brexiters live in a fantasy land where Davis gets humiliated when he waves the white flag at the very start of the negotiations and agrees to sequencing and then pretend its a victory like The Sun did. And theyre in a fantasy when they write reports of how post Brexit Britain will be a land of milk and honey but bury the fact that they need the EU to give them free trade and completely upend their tarrif schedule in order to make that happen.
If Brexiters werent whining then they'd accept that the UK is on the backfoot for these negotiations (its why theyve lost every point so far) and that they need the EU to survive. And they need to accept that every nation knows the UK is desperate to replicate the 120+ trade deals with 66 different countries just to stand still. That means every country has the advantage over the UK in every negotiation....oh and at best the UK has 3 years and 4 months to fully implement these deals.BULLSHIT"What a well thought out post. Some people say theres been a dumbing down of society but Id say your post completely refutes that. The way your articulate your thoughts and arguments with no small amount of wit is a credit to you. Your well researched and well thought out arguments that tease out the nuances and present the complex interplay of the various economic and geopolitical forces at play in a such a straightforward manner is the gold standard for posts on this forum. To those that say Brexiters dont know what theyre talking about, dont understand either the issues or the facts and that theyve run out of not just good arguments but any real argument at all I say BULLSHIT, and you know Im serious because I used all caps. | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty .
Its £8.6bn but the EU also pays £1bn of your foreign aid. Your net figure also doesnt include money going to the British private sector which is a further £1bn. So the real figure is £6.6bn per year.
For that money the UK economy doesnt have to pay £4.5bn in import duties it would otherwise have to pay for exporting to the EU.
The added cost of customs checks to deal with EU trade will be £.25bn per year.
The additional costs of compliance for companies who wish to export to the EU as a foreign state could be up to £1bn per year.
The British consumer goods sector is estimated to lose out on £5.2 bn in export revenue. (Spanish, French and Greek consumers dont want to pay extra for an ironing board just because it was made in Britain). The car sector is estimated to lose £7.9bn. In fact the Baker McKenzie report says that British business could lose up to £17bn per year.
The British people would face spending up to an extra £3.8bn in food imports per year with no deal.
The UK will also lose 120+ trade agreements with other countries that have been done through the EU. The UK will end up with worse deals here because its a smaller market than the EU and size matters. No one knows yet how many billions this could cost.
And you know full well that I and many others have explained to you repeatedly in various ways what you get for money you pay to the EU. And just for reference that £6.6bn is 0.8% of the UKs budget. And thats not a typo, zero point eight per cent. Thats what youve thrown away the countries economic stability for. Luckily most UK residents do not take such a gloomy m or pessimistic view . The car industry are not too concerned and Tim Martin of Wethespoons stated that there will be marginal savings in the price of food in his restaurants once we leave. If there is any validity to the reports which you quote I would have thought that the time to present such information would have been prior to the referendum, not afterwards.
Most people would regard £9 billion as a very substantial sum of money and the % age basis only becomes relevant if the amounts involved were small. When people quote percentages such as these I always think that it smacks of desperation. It is a bit like someone quoting a cost per week when trying to sell a product, they are simply either hiding the true cost or afraid to state it.
Investors have already made their assessment on the impact of Brexit. My sentiments lie with their overall assessment .
Despite all the various comments on these forums all countries will continue to work together as the German Car industry needs us as much as we need them.
Most UK residents will have no overall interest in the losses or gains but will simply want the government to complete the task that they were elected to do.
Luckily for us , Theressa May is doing a sterling job and both her and her team will deliver what is expected of the current government . No other party can come close to the support that she has. The recent election results proved this .
Luckily for everyone what we say or hear on these forums is irrelevant. What matters is what the government deliver and at what cost . The EU is as dependent on us as were are on them . Some of the stories about the EU wanting to punish us is simply scare mongering. "You use the word "luckily" a surprising amount in posts about Brexit, I guess thats what youre relying on to make this a success. But lets begin the tedious task of pointing out all the innaccuracies in your post on the off chance someone wanders in here and thinks you might be correct. People can take the view that it rains gumdrops, that wont make it true. People used to take the view that the housing market was going to keep increasing in value. Holding that view didnt make it true now, did it? Timmy from Weatherspoons is not any sort of expert and has no more knowledge than any of the hundreds of other business leaders that aaid Brexit would be a disaster. Also he didnt say that there would be marginal savings as a result of Brexit, he said if the UK dropped all tarriffs in food imports then there would be a marginal saving. That means devastating all British produced food providers because they will not be able to compete. It would also completely eviscerate the UKs negotiating position for upcoming trade deals because theyd have already given up tarriffs. Only an idiot, like Timmy from Weatherspoons, would think this is a good idea. There was clearly plenty of information discussing the devastating economic effects before the referendum, no one anywhere has made such a dishonest claim as that until now. The fact that the EU contribution is such a tiny fraction of the budget is to give a sense of perspective to the discussion. For a 0.8% saving on the budget the country has been thrown into disarray. Lets look at investors opinions on the UKs future, well Redmond has been advising people to take money out of the UK this week. A pro brexit member of government thinks the UK is currently a bad investment. Says a lot right there. The German car industry, as youve been told repeatedly, has been pushing the EU to give Britain a tough deal. The German VDA association (the lobbyists for Audi, VW, BMW and all the other german car manufacturers) has been pushing for a year solid for Britain to get a harsh deal to stop any other country leaving. Google it if you want, but Im sure you wont and will instead repeat this baseless lie again next week. The EU does not in any way shape or form depend on the UK as much as the UK depends on us. Thats why the UK has had to concede on everything in negotiations so far. Finally,yes, the Torys did win the election. Its thr only true thing in your entire post. I guess the old cliche of even a broken clock being right twice a day is true. Your post was unashamedly dishonest throughout, as Trump would say: #SAD!! | |||
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" Luckily for us , Theressa May is doing a sterling job and both her and her team will deliver what is expected of the current government . No other party can come close to the support that she has. The recent election results proved this . " That is an absolute classic even for the swamp that is the politics forum. Someone should make it into a t shirt | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty .
You must be mad if you think this government can sort anything out
There bunch of halfwits like alot of idiots talking crap on here " | |||
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"so many shitting bricks about this, is infact laughable I bet MPs are shitting bricks, with talk of rebellion and lack of confidence in the government as the MPs scrutinise the Brexit document re transferring EU laws into British law. Doubt it very much, most could get by without their salary, they have lovely pensions set up to provide for a long life and most can walk into other employment, thing they would lose most is there feeling of "power" People tend to like the status quo. Brexit and the lead up to withdrawing from the EU are very unsettling. Believe it or not MPs are people "And there controled by the bankers! | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty .
Its £8.6bn but the EU also pays £1bn of your foreign aid. Your net figure also doesnt include money going to the British private sector which is a further £1bn. So the real figure is £6.6bn per year.
For that money the UK economy doesnt have to pay £4.5bn in import duties it would otherwise have to pay for exporting to the EU.
The added cost of customs checks to deal with EU trade will be £.25bn per year.
The additional costs of compliance for companies who wish to export to the EU as a foreign state could be up to £1bn per year.
The British consumer goods sector is estimated to lose out on £5.2 bn in export revenue. (Spanish, French and Greek consumers dont want to pay extra for an ironing board just because it was made in Britain). The car sector is estimated to lose £7.9bn. In fact the Baker McKenzie report says that British business could lose up to £17bn per year.
The British people would face spending up to an extra £3.8bn in food imports per year with no deal.
The UK will also lose 120+ trade agreements with other countries that have been done through the EU. The UK will end up with worse deals here because its a smaller market than the EU and size matters. No one knows yet how many billions this could cost.
And you know full well that I and many others have explained to you repeatedly in various ways what you get for money you pay to the EU. And just for reference that £6.6bn is 0.8% of the UKs budget. And thats not a typo, zero point eight per cent. Thats what youve thrown away the countries economic stability for. Luckily most UK residents do not take such a gloomy m or pessimistic view . The car industry are not too concerned and Tim Martin of Wethespoons stated that there will be marginal savings in the price of food in his restaurants once we leave. If there is any validity to the reports which you quote I would have thought that the time to present such information would have been prior to the referendum, not afterwards.
Most people would regard £9 billion as a very substantial sum of money and the % age basis only becomes relevant if the amounts involved were small. When people quote percentages such as these I always think that it smacks of desperation. It is a bit like someone quoting a cost per week when trying to sell a product, they are simply either hiding the true cost or afraid to state it.
Investors have already made their assessment on the impact of Brexit. My sentiments lie with their overall assessment .
Despite all the various comments on these forums all countries will continue to work together as the German Car industry needs us as much as we need them.
Most UK residents will have no overall interest in the losses or gains but will simply want the government to complete the task that they were elected to do.
Luckily for us , Theressa May is doing a sterling job and both her and her team will deliver what is expected of the current government . No other party can come close to the support that she has. The recent election results proved this .
Luckily for everyone what we say or hear on these forums is irrelevant. What matters is what the government deliver and at what cost . The EU is as dependent on us as were are on them . Some of the stories about the EU wanting to punish us is simply scare mongering.
You use the word "luckily" a surprising amount in posts about Brexit, I guess thats what youre relying on to make this a success. But lets begin the tedious task of pointing out all the innaccuracies in your post on the off chance someone wanders in here and thinks you might be correct.
People can take the view that it rains gumdrops, that wont make it true. People used to take the view that the housing market was going to keep increasing in value. Holding that view didnt make it true now, did it?
Timmy from Weatherspoons is not any sort of expert and has no more knowledge than any of the hundreds of other business leaders that aaid Brexit would be a disaster. Also he didnt say that there would be marginal savings as a result of Brexit, he said if the UK dropped all tarriffs in food imports then there would be a marginal saving. That means devastating all British produced food providers because they will not be able to compete. It would also completely eviscerate the UKs negotiating position for upcoming trade deals because theyd have already given up tarriffs. Only an idiot, like Timmy from Weatherspoons, would think this is a good idea.
There was clearly plenty of information discussing the devastating economic effects before the referendum, no one anywhere has made such a dishonest claim as that until now.
The fact that the EU contribution is such a tiny fraction of the budget is to give a sense of perspective to the discussion. For a 0.8% saving on the budget the country has been thrown into disarray.
Lets look at investors opinions on the UKs future, well Redmond has been advising people to take money out of the UK this week. A pro brexit member of government thinks the UK is currently a bad investment. Says a lot right there.
The German car industry, as youve been told repeatedly, has been pushing the EU to give Britain a tough deal. The German VDA association (the lobbyists for Audi, VW, BMW and all the other german car manufacturers) has been pushing for a year solid for Britain to get a harsh deal to stop any other country leaving. Google it if you want, but Im sure you wont and will instead repeat this baseless lie again next week.
The EU does not in any way shape or form depend on the UK as much as the UK depends on us. Thats why the UK has had to concede on everything in negotiations so far.
Finally,yes, the Torys did win the election. Its thr only true thing in your entire post. I guess the old cliche of even a broken clock being right twice a day is true.
Your post was unashamedly dishonest throughout, as Trump would say: #SAD!!"and there all controled by the bankers!  | |||
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"so many shitting bricks about this, is infact laughable I bet MPs are shitting bricks, with talk of rebellion and lack of confidence in the government as the MPs scrutinise the Brexit document re transferring EU laws into British law." Err here comes another recession this time the international bankers who are private citizens un elected and have full control of the international monetary system as well as data collected over the years by special needs forces namely the Secret society and a few more working together to make the world a better place can blame the uk and Europe for leaveing while we debate and follow the sun. Newspapers
Them in power a blatantly taken the piss out of us all.
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"so many shitting bricks about this, is infact laughable I bet MPs are shitting bricks, with talk of rebellion and lack of confidence in the government as the MPs scrutinise the Brexit document re transferring EU laws into British law. Doubt it very much, most could get by without their salary, they have lovely pensions set up to provide for a long life and most can walk into other employment, thing they would lose most is there feeling of "power" People tend to like the status quo. Brexit and the lead up to withdrawing from the EU are very unsettling. Believe it or not MPs are people
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"The only people who will benefit from Brexit are those who live here but are rich enough to get their income from foreing investments. The price of food will go thru the roof!" Will it be like war time rationing..... | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty .
Its £8.6bn but the EU also pays £1bn of your foreign aid. Your net figure also doesnt include money going to the British private sector which is a further £1bn. So the real figure is £6.6bn per year.
For that money the UK economy doesnt have to pay £4.5bn in import duties it would otherwise have to pay for exporting to the EU.
The added cost of customs checks to deal with EU trade will be £.25bn per year.
The additional costs of compliance for companies who wish to export to the EU as a foreign state could be up to £1bn per year.
The British consumer goods sector is estimated to lose out on £5.2 bn in export revenue. (Spanish, French and Greek consumers dont want to pay extra for an ironing board just because it was made in Britain). The car sector is estimated to lose £7.9bn. In fact the Baker McKenzie report says that British business could lose up to £17bn per year.
The British people would face spending up to an extra £3.8bn in food imports per year with no deal.
The UK will also lose 120+ trade agreements with other countries that have been done through the EU. The UK will end up with worse deals here because its a smaller market than the EU and size matters. No one knows yet how many billions this could cost.
And you know full well that I and many others have explained to you repeatedly in various ways what you get for money you pay to the EU. And just for reference that £6.6bn is 0.8% of the UKs budget. And thats not a typo, zero point eight per cent. Thats what youve thrown away the countries economic stability for. Luckily most UK residents do not take such a gloomy m or pessimistic view . The car industry are not too concerned and Tim Martin of Wethespoons stated that there will be marginal savings in the price of food in his restaurants once we leave. If there is any validity to the reports which you quote I would have thought that the time to present such information would have been prior to the referendum, not afterwards.
Most people would regard £9 billion as a very substantial sum of money and the % age basis only becomes relevant if the amounts involved were small. When people quote percentages such as these I always think that it smacks of desperation. It is a bit like someone quoting a cost per week when trying to sell a product, they are simply either hiding the true cost or afraid to state it.
Investors have already made their assessment on the impact of Brexit. My sentiments lie with their overall assessment .
Despite all the various comments on these forums all countries will continue to work together as the German Car industry needs us as much as we need them.
Most UK residents will have no overall interest in the losses or gains but will simply want the government to complete the task that they were elected to do.
Luckily for us , Theressa May is doing a sterling job and both her and her team will deliver what is expected of the current government . No other party can come close to the support that she has. The recent election results proved this .
Luckily for everyone what we say or hear on these forums is irrelevant. What matters is what the government deliver and at what cost . The EU is as dependent on us as were are on them . Some of the stories about the EU wanting to punish us is simply scare mongering. "You really don't get it do you? Your ears full of sand from burying your head so deep you refuse to accept what's going to happen.. Fuck me m8, the PM is doing a sterling job!!! Totally in La La land with such imaginings.. | |||
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"The only people who will benefit from Brexit are those who live here but are rich enough to get their income from foreing investments. The price of food will go thru the roof! Will it be like war time rationing....." lol im sure George Osborne said that if we voted leave there would be immediate "doom and gloom" a financial disaster, he was full of shit too | |||
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"Has anyone seen the advert for the new revamped Austin Brexit.A car for the true patriots.4 Cylinders of British power and none of those EU regulations to hinder its performance. Only availabless with a union jack on the roof. "any with the Saltire | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty .
Its £8.6bn but the EU also pays £1bn of your foreign aid. Your net figure also doesnt include money going to the British private sector which is a further £1bn. So the real figure is £6.6bn per year.
For that money the UK economy doesnt have to pay £4.5bn in import duties it would otherwise have to pay for exporting to the EU.
The added cost of customs checks to deal with EU trade will be £.25bn per year.
The additional costs of compliance for companies who wish to export to the EU as a foreign state could be up to £1bn per year.
The British consumer goods sector is estimated to lose out on £5.2 bn in export revenue. (Spanish, French and Greek consumers dont want to pay extra for an ironing board just because it was made in Britain). The car sector is estimated to lose £7.9bn. In fact the Baker McKenzie report says that British business could lose up to £17bn per year.
The British people would face spending up to an extra £3.8bn in food imports per year with no deal.
The UK will also lose 120+ trade agreements with other countries that have been done through the EU. The UK will end up with worse deals here because its a smaller market than the EU and size matters. No one knows yet how many billions this could cost.
And you know full well that I and many others have explained to you repeatedly in various ways what you get for money you pay to the EU. And just for reference that £6.6bn is 0.8% of the UKs budget. And thats not a typo, zero point eight per cent. Thats what youve thrown away the countries economic stability for. Luckily most UK residents do not take such a gloomy m or pessimistic view . The car industry are not too concerned and Tim Martin of Wethespoons stated that there will be marginal savings in the price of food in his restaurants once we leave. If there is any validity to the reports which you quote I would have thought that the time to present such information would have been prior to the referendum, not afterwards.
Most people would regard £9 billion as a very substantial sum of money and the % age basis only becomes relevant if the amounts involved were small. When people quote percentages such as these I always think that it smacks of desperation. It is a bit like someone quoting a cost per week when trying to sell a product, they are simply either hiding the true cost or afraid to state it.
Investors have already made their assessment on the impact of Brexit. My sentiments lie with their overall assessment .
Despite all the various comments on these forums all countries will continue to work together as the German Car industry needs us as much as we need them.
Most UK residents will have no overall interest in the losses or gains but will simply want the government to complete the task that they were elected to do.
Luckily for us , Theressa May is doing a sterling job and both her and her team will deliver what is expected of the current government . No other party can come close to the support that she has. The recent election results proved this .
Luckily for everyone what we say or hear on these forums is irrelevant. What matters is what the government deliver and at what cost . The EU is as dependent on us as were are on them . Some of the stories about the EU wanting to punish us is simply scare mongering.
You really don't get it do you?
Your ears full of sand from burying your head so deep you refuse to accept what's going to happen..
Fuck me m8, the PM is doing a sterling job!!!
Totally in La La land with such imaginings..
"Clearly your opinion is different . All you need to do now is persuade a sufficient percentage of the electorate to agree with you. I am happy to support a democratically elected government. | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty .
Its £8.6bn but the EU also pays £1bn of your foreign aid. Your net figure also doesnt include money going to the British private sector which is a further £1bn. So the real figure is £6.6bn per year.
For that money the UK economy doesnt have to pay £4.5bn in import duties it would otherwise have to pay for exporting to the EU.
The added cost of customs checks to deal with EU trade will be £.25bn per year.
The additional costs of compliance for companies who wish to export to the EU as a foreign state could be up to £1bn per year.
The British consumer goods sector is estimated to lose out on £5.2 bn in export revenue. (Spanish, French and Greek consumers dont want to pay extra for an ironing board just because it was made in Britain). The car sector is estimated to lose £7.9bn. In fact the Baker McKenzie report says that British business could lose up to £17bn per year.
The British people would face spending up to an extra £3.8bn in food imports per year with no deal.
The UK will also lose 120+ trade agreements with other countries that have been done through the EU. The UK will end up with worse deals here because its a smaller market than the EU and size matters. No one knows yet how many billions this could cost.
And you know full well that I and many others have explained to you repeatedly in various ways what you get for money you pay to the EU. And just for reference that £6.6bn is 0.8% of the UKs budget. And thats not a typo, zero point eight per cent. Thats what youve thrown away the countries economic stability for. Luckily most UK residents do not take such a gloomy m or pessimistic view . The car industry are not too concerned and Tim Martin of Wethespoons stated that there will be marginal savings in the price of food in his restaurants once we leave. If there is any validity to the reports which you quote I would have thought that the time to present such information would have been prior to the referendum, not afterwards.
Most people would regard £9 billion as a very substantial sum of money and the % age basis only becomes relevant if the amounts involved were small. When people quote percentages such as these I always think that it smacks of desperation. It is a bit like someone quoting a cost per week when trying to sell a product, they are simply either hiding the true cost or afraid to state it.
Investors have already made their assessment on the impact of Brexit. My sentiments lie with their overall assessment .
Despite all the various comments on these forums all countries will continue to work together as the German Car industry needs us as much as we need them.
Most UK residents will have no overall interest in the losses or gains but will simply want the government to complete the task that they were elected to do.
Luckily for us , Theressa May is doing a sterling job and both her and her team will deliver what is expected of the current government . No other party can come close to the support that she has. The recent election results proved this .
Luckily for everyone what we say or hear on these forums is irrelevant. What matters is what the government deliver and at what cost . The EU is as dependent on us as were are on them . Some of the stories about the EU wanting to punish us is simply scare mongering.
You really don't get it do you?
Your ears full of sand from burying your head so deep you refuse to accept what's going to happen..
Fuck me m8, the PM is doing a sterling job!!!
Totally in La La land with such imaginings..
Clearly your opinion is different . All you need to do now is persuade a sufficient percentage of the electorate to agree with you. I am happy to support a democratically elected government. "Not even her own cabinet support her.. They and we are stuck with a weak leader because to remove her now may push us into another election and the Tories are petrified of that.. More head in the sand rhetoric.. | |||
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"The only people who will benefit from Brexit are those who live here but are rich enough to get their income from foreing investments. The price of food will go thru the roof! Will it be like war time rationing..... lol im sure George Osborne said that if we voted leave there would be immediate "doom and gloom" a financial disaster, he was full of shit too" Agree, Mark Carney and the bank of England were on board with Cameron and Osborne's Project fear too, only after all the scaremongering they did the ridiculous predictions of recession they made failed to materialise, and later had to admit to having their own "Michael Fish" moment. The Europhiles also tried to do it years earlier when we didn't join the Euro, people like Alistair Campbell said Britain would be 'left behind' as an economic basket case. In fact not joining the Euro turned out to be one of the best decisions the UK ever made.
The hysterical ramblings of some remoaners on here is like Project fear all over again, I'm getting a feeling of Deja Vu from the referendum campaign. What remainers don't seem to realise is project fear Mk I didn't work and turned out to be nothing more than overly pessimistic falsehoods. Why then should anyone believe them now they are rolling out Project fear Mk II. | |||
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"The only people who will benefit from Brexit are those who live here but are rich enough to get their income from foreing investments. The price of food will go thru the roof! Will it be like war time rationing..... lol im sure George Osborne said that if we voted leave there would be immediate "doom and gloom" a financial disaster, he was full of shit too Agree, Mark Carney and the bank of England were on board with Cameron and Osborne's Project fear too, only after all the scaremongering they did the ridiculous predictions of recession they made failed to materialise, and later had to admit to having their own "Michael Fish" moment. The Europhiles also tried to do it years earlier when we didn't join the Euro, people like Alistair Campbell said Britain would be 'left behind' as an economic basket case. In fact not joining the Euro turned out to be one of the best decisions the UK ever made.
The hysterical ramblings of some remoaners on here is like Project fear all over again, I'm getting a feeling of Deja Vu from the referendum campaign. What remainers don't seem to realise is project fear Mk I didn't work and turned out to be nothing more than overly pessimistic falsehoods. Why then should anyone believe them now they are rolling out Project fear Mk II. "they've got tunnel vision x | |||
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"The only people who will benefit from Brexit are those who live here but are rich enough to get their income from foreing investments. The price of food will go thru the roof! Will it be like war time rationing..... lol im sure George Osborne said that if we voted leave there would be immediate "doom and gloom" a financial disaster, he was full of shit too Agree, Mark Carney and the bank of England were on board with Cameron and Osborne's Project fear too, only after all the scaremongering they did the ridiculous predictions of recession they made failed to materialise, and later had to admit to having their own "Michael Fish" moment. The Europhiles also tried to do it years earlier when we didn't join the Euro, people like Alistair Campbell said Britain would be 'left behind' as an economic basket case. In fact not joining the Euro turned out to be one of the best decisions the UK ever made.
The hysterical ramblings of some remoaners on here is like Project fear all over again, I'm getting a feeling of Deja Vu from the referendum campaign. What remainers don't seem to realise is project fear Mk I didn't work and turned out to be nothing more than overly pessimistic falsehoods. Why then should anyone believe them now they are rolling out Project fear Mk II. "Well how about staunch leaver John Redwood advocating investors NOT to invest in UK because the economy is performing poorly. Another alternative fact? | |||
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"What some crap these brexiters dispatch It’s pear shaped will soon be water melon shaped if you think it’s fine what’s happening your more d*unk than me most nights Move on stop bleating We’re all fucked well and truly " That is right. I wonder what brexitors are smoking. | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty .
Its £8.6bn but the EU also pays £1bn of your foreign aid. Your net figure also doesnt include money going to the British private sector which is a further £1bn. So the real figure is £6.6bn per year.
For that money the UK economy doesnt have to pay £4.5bn in import duties it would otherwise have to pay for exporting to the EU.
The added cost of customs checks to deal with EU trade will be £.25bn per year.
The additional costs of compliance for companies who wish to export to the EU as a foreign state could be up to £1bn per year.
The British consumer goods sector is estimated to lose out on £5.2 bn in export revenue. (Spanish, French and Greek consumers dont want to pay extra for an ironing board just because it was made in Britain). The car sector is estimated to lose £7.9bn. In fact the Baker McKenzie report says that British business could lose up to £17bn per year.
The British people would face spending up to an extra £3.8bn in food imports per year with no deal.
The UK will also lose 120+ trade agreements with other countries that have been done through the EU. The UK will end up with worse deals here because its a smaller market than the EU and size matters. No one knows yet how many billions this could cost.
And you know full well that I and many others have explained to you repeatedly in various ways what you get for money you pay to the EU. And just for reference that £6.6bn is 0.8% of the UKs budget. And thats not a typo, zero point eight per cent. Thats what youve thrown away the countries economic stability for. Luckily most UK residents do not take such a gloomy m or pessimistic view . The car industry are not too concerned and Tim Martin of Wethespoons stated that there will be marginal savings in the price of food in his restaurants once we leave. If there is any validity to the reports which you quote I would have thought that the time to present such information would have been prior to the referendum, not afterwards.
Most people would regard £9 billion as a very substantial sum of money and the % age basis only becomes relevant if the amounts involved were small. When people quote percentages such as these I always think that it smacks of desperation. It is a bit like someone quoting a cost per week when trying to sell a product, they are simply either hiding the true cost or afraid to state it.
Investors have already made their assessment on the impact of Brexit. My sentiments lie with their overall assessment .
Despite all the various comments on these forums all countries will continue to work together as the German Car industry needs us as much as we need them.
Most UK residents will have no overall interest in the losses or gains but will simply want the government to complete the task that they were elected to do.
Luckily for us , Theressa May is doing a sterling job and both her and her team will deliver what is expected of the current government . No other party can come close to the support that she has. The recent election results proved this .
Luckily for everyone what we say or hear on these forums is irrelevant. What matters is what the government deliver and at what cost . The EU is as dependent on us as were are on them . Some of the stories about the EU wanting to punish us is simply scare mongering.
You really don't get it do you?
Your ears full of sand from burying your head so deep you refuse to accept what's going to happen..
Fuck me m8, the PM is doing a sterling job!!!
Totally in La La land with such imaginings..
Clearly your opinion is different . All you need to do now is persuade a sufficient percentage of the electorate to agree with you. I am happy to support a democratically elected government.
Not even her own cabinet support her..
They and we are stuck with a weak leader because to remove her now may push us into another election and the Tories are petrified of that..
More head in the sand rhetoric.."Having already won two elelections recently I cannot see the party being afraid of another . If anything lessons will have been learned from the last campaign. The dementia campaign issue was probably indicative of the fact that people do not like having to pay for the services which we receive . It was a noble jesture to try and resolve one of the biggest problems which the country faces in the future . ( namely care of the elderly). To date no party has suggested a better alternative . I personally regard her as a great leader who is quietly getting the job done without making a big fuss over it . ( one of life's achievers). Any cabinet will have ministers who may not support their leader . You simply work around these issues. What is a head in the sand approach to you is of course a highly realistic approach to others . I would of course have to reassess my appraisal if a different party were elected . | |||
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"Most of the people on hear wasn’t even alive when we joined, I voted not to join in 1973 as did most of the people you ask, but we joined anyway because that’s what the government of the day wanted, but we didn’t joined the EU as it is today, we joined the common market which we were told was just a trade deal, the EU is trying to be like the USA with member states answering to Brussels, only time will tell if the brexit was a good choice, we may regret leaving or we may be saying thank god we left just wait and see." I didn't want it then or now | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty .
Its £8.6bn but the EU also pays £1bn of your foreign aid. Your net figure also doesnt include money going to the British private sector which is a further £1bn. So the real figure is £6.6bn per year.
For that money the UK economy doesnt have to pay £4.5bn in import duties it would otherwise have to pay for exporting to the EU.
The added cost of customs checks to deal with EU trade will be £.25bn per year.
The additional costs of compliance for companies who wish to export to the EU as a foreign state could be up to £1bn per year.
The British consumer goods sector is estimated to lose out on £5.2 bn in export revenue. (Spanish, French and Greek consumers dont want to pay extra for an ironing board just because it was made in Britain). The car sector is estimated to lose £7.9bn. In fact the Baker McKenzie report says that British business could lose up to £17bn per year.
The British people would face spending up to an extra £3.8bn in food imports per year with no deal.
The UK will also lose 120+ trade agreements with other countries that have been done through the EU. The UK will end up with worse deals here because its a smaller market than the EU and size matters. No one knows yet how many billions this could cost.
And you know full well that I and many others have explained to you repeatedly in various ways what you get for money you pay to the EU. And just for reference that £6.6bn is 0.8% of the UKs budget. And thats not a typo, zero point eight per cent. Thats what youve thrown away the countries economic stability for. Luckily most UK residents do not take such a gloomy m or pessimistic view . The car industry are not too concerned and Tim Martin of Wethespoons stated that there will be marginal savings in the price of food in his restaurants once we leave. If there is any validity to the reports which you quote I would have thought that the time to present such information would have been prior to the referendum, not afterwards.
Most people would regard £9 billion as a very substantial sum of money and the % age basis only becomes relevant if the amounts involved were small. When people quote percentages such as these I always think that it smacks of desperation. It is a bit like someone quoting a cost per week when trying to sell a product, they are simply either hiding the true cost or afraid to state it.
Investors have already made their assessment on the impact of Brexit. My sentiments lie with their overall assessment .
Despite all the various comments on these forums all countries will continue to work together as the German Car industry needs us as much as we need them.
Most UK residents will have no overall interest in the losses or gains but will simply want the government to complete the task that they were elected to do.
Luckily for us , Theressa May is doing a sterling job and both her and her team will deliver what is expected of the current government . No other party can come close to the support that she has. The recent election results proved this .
Luckily for everyone what we say or hear on these forums is irrelevant. What matters is what the government deliver and at what cost . The EU is as dependent on us as were are on them . Some of the stories about the EU wanting to punish us is simply scare mongering.
You really don't get it do you?
Your ears full of sand from burying your head so deep you refuse to accept what's going to happen..
Fuck me m8, the PM is doing a sterling job!!!
Totally in La La land with such imaginings..
Clearly your opinion is different . All you need to do now is persuade a sufficient percentage of the electorate to agree with you. I am happy to support a democratically elected government.
Not even her own cabinet support her..
They and we are stuck with a weak leader because to remove her now may push us into another election and the Tories are petrified of that..
More head in the sand rhetoric.. Having already won two elelections recently I cannot see the party being afraid of another . If anything lessons will have been learned from the last campaign.
The dementia campaign issue was probably indicative of the fact that people do not like having to pay for the services which we receive . It was a noble jesture to try and resolve one of the biggest problems which the country faces in the future . ( namely care of the elderly). To date no party has suggested a better alternative .
I personally regard her as a great leader who is quietly getting the job done without making a big fuss over it . ( one of life's achievers).
Any cabinet will have ministers who may not support their leader . You simply work around these issues.
What is a head in the sand approach to you is of course a highly realistic approach to others .
I would of course have to reassess my appraisal if a different party were elected . "Yawn more drivel yawn yawn | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty .
Its £8.6bn but the EU also pays £1bn of your foreign aid. Your net figure also doesnt include money going to the British private sector which is a further £1bn. So the real figure is £6.6bn per year.
For that money the UK economy doesnt have to pay £4.5bn in import duties it would otherwise have to pay for exporting to the EU.
The added cost of customs checks to deal with EU trade will be £.25bn per year.
The additional costs of compliance for companies who wish to export to the EU as a foreign state could be up to £1bn per year.
The British consumer goods sector is estimated to lose out on £5.2 bn in export revenue. (Spanish, French and Greek consumers dont want to pay extra for an ironing board just because it was made in Britain). The car sector is estimated to lose £7.9bn. In fact the Baker McKenzie report says that British business could lose up to £17bn per year.
The British people would face spending up to an extra £3.8bn in food imports per year with no deal.
The UK will also lose 120+ trade agreements with other countries that have been done through the EU. The UK will end up with worse deals here because its a smaller market than the EU and size matters. No one knows yet how many billions this could cost.
And you know full well that I and many others have explained to you repeatedly in various ways what you get for money you pay to the EU. And just for reference that £6.6bn is 0.8% of the UKs budget. And thats not a typo, zero point eight per cent. Thats what youve thrown away the countries economic stability for. Luckily most UK residents do not take such a gloomy m or pessimistic view . The car industry are not too concerned and Tim Martin of Wethespoons stated that there will be marginal savings in the price of food in his restaurants once we leave. If there is any validity to the reports which you quote I would have thought that the time to present such information would have been prior to the referendum, not afterwards.
Most people would regard £9 billion as a very substantial sum of money and the % age basis only becomes relevant if the amounts involved were small. When people quote percentages such as these I always think that it smacks of desperation. It is a bit like someone quoting a cost per week when trying to sell a product, they are simply either hiding the true cost or afraid to state it.
Investors have already made their assessment on the impact of Brexit. My sentiments lie with their overall assessment .
Despite all the various comments on these forums all countries will continue to work together as the German Car industry needs us as much as we need them.
Most UK residents will have no overall interest in the losses or gains but will simply want the government to complete the task that they were elected to do.
Luckily for us , Theressa May is doing a sterling job and both her and her team will deliver what is expected of the current government . No other party can come close to the support that she has. The recent election results proved this .
Luckily for everyone what we say or hear on these forums is irrelevant. What matters is what the government deliver and at what cost . The EU is as dependent on us as were are on them . Some of the stories about the EU wanting to punish us is simply scare mongering.
You really don't get it do you?
Your ears full of sand from burying your head so deep you refuse to accept what's going to happen..
Fuck me m8, the PM is doing a sterling job!!!
Totally in La La land with such imaginings..
Clearly your opinion is different . All you need to do now is persuade a sufficient percentage of the electorate to agree with you. I am happy to support a democratically elected government.
Not even her own cabinet support her..
They and we are stuck with a weak leader because to remove her now may push us into another election and the Tories are petrified of that..
More head in the sand rhetoric.. Having already won two elelections recently I cannot see the party being afraid of another . If anything lessons will have been learned from the last campaign.
The dementia campaign issue was probably indicative of the fact that people do not like having to pay for the services which we receive . It was a noble jesture to try and resolve one of the biggest problems which the country faces in the future . ( namely care of the elderly). To date no party has suggested a better alternative .
I personally regard her as a great leader who is quietly getting the job done without making a big fuss over it . ( one of life's achievers).
Any cabinet will have ministers who may not support their leader . You simply work around these issues.
What is a head in the sand approach to you is of course a highly realistic approach to others .
I would of course have to reassess my appraisal if a different party were elected . "Look at the numbers, the actual data and the story is of a less popular party from 2015 to 2017.. no majority.. lost 13 seats and Labour gained 30.. % of vote increased but by less than 6%, Labours increased by 9.6%.. yes still more seats but look at the direction of travel.. that you think its all fine at Tory head office is so out of step with what the Tory party thinks at present.. maybe they should have you as a spokesperson..? | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty .
Its £8.6bn but the EU also pays £1bn of your foreign aid. Your net figure also doesnt include money going to the British private sector which is a further £1bn. So the real figure is £6.6bn per year.
For that money the UK economy doesnt have to pay £4.5bn in import duties it would otherwise have to pay for exporting to the EU.
The added cost of customs checks to deal with EU trade will be £.25bn per year.
The additional costs of compliance for companies who wish to export to the EU as a foreign state could be up to £1bn per year.
The British consumer goods sector is estimated to lose out on £5.2 bn in export revenue. (Spanish, French and Greek consumers dont want to pay extra for an ironing board just because it was made in Britain). The car sector is estimated to lose £7.9bn. In fact the Baker McKenzie report says that British business could lose up to £17bn per year.
The British people would face spending up to an extra £3.8bn in food imports per year with no deal.
The UK will also lose 120+ trade agreements with other countries that have been done through the EU. The UK will end up with worse deals here because its a smaller market than the EU and size matters. No one knows yet how many billions this could cost.
And you know full well that I and many others have explained to you repeatedly in various ways what you get for money you pay to the EU. And just for reference that £6.6bn is 0.8% of the UKs budget. And thats not a typo, zero point eight per cent. Thats what youve thrown away the countries economic stability for. Luckily most UK residents do not take such a gloomy m or pessimistic view . The car industry are not too concerned and Tim Martin of Wethespoons stated that there will be marginal savings in the price of food in his restaurants once we leave. If there is any validity to the reports which you quote I would have thought that the time to present such information would have been prior to the referendum, not afterwards.
Most people would regard £9 billion as a very substantial sum of money and the % age basis only becomes relevant if the amounts involved were small. When people quote percentages such as these I always think that it smacks of desperation. It is a bit like someone quoting a cost per week when trying to sell a product, they are simply either hiding the true cost or afraid to state it.
Investors have already made their assessment on the impact of Brexit. My sentiments lie with their overall assessment .
Despite all the various comments on these forums all countries will continue to work together as the German Car industry needs us as much as we need them.
Most UK residents will have no overall interest in the losses or gains but will simply want the government to complete the task that they were elected to do.
Luckily for us , Theressa May is doing a sterling job and both her and her team will deliver what is expected of the current government . No other party can come close to the support that she has. The recent election results proved this .
Luckily for everyone what we say or hear on these forums is irrelevant. What matters is what the government deliver and at what cost . The EU is as dependent on us as were are on them . Some of the stories about the EU wanting to punish us is simply scare mongering.
You really don't get it do you?
Your ears full of sand from burying your head so deep you refuse to accept what's going to happen..
Fuck me m8, the PM is doing a sterling job!!!
Totally in La La land with such imaginings..
Clearly your opinion is different . All you need to do now is persuade a sufficient percentage of the electorate to agree with you. I am happy to support a democratically elected government.
Not even her own cabinet support her..
They and we are stuck with a weak leader because to remove her now may push us into another election and the Tories are petrified of that..
More head in the sand rhetoric.. Having already won two elelections recently I cannot see the party being afraid of another . If anything lessons will have been learned from the last campaign.
The dementia campaign issue was probably indicative of the fact that people do not like having to pay for the services which we receive . It was a noble jesture to try and resolve one of the biggest problems which the country faces in the future . ( namely care of the elderly). To date no party has suggested a better alternative .
I personally regard her as a great leader who is quietly getting the job done without making a big fuss over it . ( one of life's achievers).
Any cabinet will have ministers who may not support their leader . You simply work around these issues.
What is a head in the sand approach to you is of course a highly realistic approach to others .
I would of course have to reassess my appraisal if a different party were elected .
Look at the numbers, the actual data and the story is of a less popular party from 2015 to 2017..
no majority..
lost 13 seats and Labour gained 30..
% of vote increased but by less than 6%, Labours increased by 9.6%..
yes still more seats but look at the direction of travel..
that you think its all fine at Tory head office is so out of step with what the Tory party thinks at present..
maybe they should have you as a spokesperson..? "Hi . Your analysis is all very interesting information but the only result that actually matters is the vote cast and result returned on election day . Tony Blair ( a man who knows about winning elections ) states that Labour shold be 15 -20 points ahead in the polls by now if they are to be in with a chance of winning . An article by Kenneth Baker in todays Daily Telegraph is an excellent summary of her performance and I quote . The Prime Minister has already shown that she can should a lot of vituperation , belittling and riting off . She has also shown a determined , indeed dogged , and upright resolution . As a vicars daugher she puts her sense of duty before her own peace of mind . The public recognise that , and as such she is the partys most popular leader .The public has also come to realise that Europe is bullying us and that Mrs May is well able to stand up to bullies . The public , as usual, is right , so stick at it Theresa . | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty .
Its £8.6bn but the EU also pays £1bn of your foreign aid. Your net figure also doesnt include money going to the British private sector which is a further £1bn. So the real figure is £6.6bn per year.
For that money the UK economy doesnt have to pay £4.5bn in import duties it would otherwise have to pay for exporting to the EU.
The added cost of customs checks to deal with EU trade will be £.25bn per year.
The additional costs of compliance for companies who wish to export to the EU as a foreign state could be up to £1bn per year.
The British consumer goods sector is estimated to lose out on £5.2 bn in export revenue. (Spanish, French and Greek consumers dont want to pay extra for an ironing board just because it was made in Britain). The car sector is estimated to lose £7.9bn. In fact the Baker McKenzie report says that British business could lose up to £17bn per year.
The British people would face spending up to an extra £3.8bn in food imports per year with no deal.
The UK will also lose 120+ trade agreements with other countries that have been done through the EU. The UK will end up with worse deals here because its a smaller market than the EU and size matters. No one knows yet how many billions this could cost.
And you know full well that I and many others have explained to you repeatedly in various ways what you get for money you pay to the EU. And just for reference that £6.6bn is 0.8% of the UKs budget. And thats not a typo, zero point eight per cent. Thats what youve thrown away the countries economic stability for. Luckily most UK residents do not take such a gloomy m or pessimistic view . The car industry are not too concerned and Tim Martin of Wethespoons stated that there will be marginal savings in the price of food in his restaurants once we leave. If there is any validity to the reports which you quote I would have thought that the time to present such information would have been prior to the referendum, not afterwards.
Most people would regard £9 billion as a very substantial sum of money and the % age basis only becomes relevant if the amounts involved were small. When people quote percentages such as these I always think that it smacks of desperation. It is a bit like someone quoting a cost per week when trying to sell a product, they are simply either hiding the true cost or afraid to state it.
Investors have already made their assessment on the impact of Brexit. My sentiments lie with their overall assessment .
Despite all the various comments on these forums all countries will continue to work together as the German Car industry needs us as much as we need them.
Most UK residents will have no overall interest in the losses or gains but will simply want the government to complete the task that they were elected to do.
Luckily for us , Theressa May is doing a sterling job and both her and her team will deliver what is expected of the current government . No other party can come close to the support that she has. The recent election results proved this .
Luckily for everyone what we say or hear on these forums is irrelevant. What matters is what the government deliver and at what cost . The EU is as dependent on us as were are on them . Some of the stories about the EU wanting to punish us is simply scare mongering.
You use the word "luckily" a surprising amount in posts about Brexit, I guess thats what youre relying on to make this a success. But lets begin the tedious task of pointing out all the innaccuracies in your post on the off chance someone wanders in here and thinks you might be correct.
People can take the view that it rains gumdrops, that wont make it true. People used to take the view that the housing market was going to keep increasing in value. Holding that view didnt make it true now, did it?
Timmy from Weatherspoons is not any sort of expert and has no more knowledge than any of the hundreds of other business leaders that aaid Brexit would be a disaster. Also he didnt say that there would be marginal savings as a result of Brexit, he said if the UK dropped all tarriffs in food imports then there would be a marginal saving. That means devastating all British produced food providers because they will not be able to compete. It would also completely eviscerate the UKs negotiating position for upcoming trade deals because theyd have already given up tarriffs. Only an idiot, like Timmy from Weatherspoons, would think this is a good idea.
There was clearly plenty of information discussing the devastating economic effects before the referendum, no one anywhere has made such a dishonest claim as that until now.
The fact that the EU contribution is such a tiny fraction of the budget is to give a sense of perspective to the discussion. For a 0.8% saving on the budget the country has been thrown into disarray.
Lets look at investors opinions on the UKs future, well Redmond has been advising people to take money out of the UK this week. A pro brexit member of government thinks the UK is currently a bad investment. Says a lot right there.
The German car industry, as youve been told repeatedly, has been pushing the EU to give Britain a tough deal. The German VDA association (the lobbyists for Audi, VW, BMW and all the other german car manufacturers) has been pushing for a year solid for Britain to get a harsh deal to stop any other country leaving. Google it if you want, but Im sure you wont and will instead repeat this baseless lie again next week.
The EU does not in any way shape or form depend on the UK as much as the UK depends on us. Thats why the UK has had to concede on everything in negotiations so far.
Finally,yes, the Torys did win the election. Its thr only true thing in your entire post. I guess the old cliche of even a broken clock being right twice a day is true.
Your post was unashamedly dishonest throughout, as Trump would say: #SAD!!"Interesting as your post was I did not analyse it in too much detail as it only appeared to refer to potential savings ( when referring to import / export duties ) but did not capture the other side of the coin ( namely loss of duty revenues collectable ) . From what would appear to be an independent source We don't take sides in any debate and don't support any political party or campaign. We've been quoted by politicians on all sides and corrected people on all sides. We have a cross-party Board of Trustees and safeguards in place at every level of our organisation to ensure our neutrality. In 2016 the UK government paid £13.1 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4.5 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at about £8.6 billion. Each year the UK gets a discount on its contributions to the EU—the ‘rebate’—worth almost £4 billion last year. Without it the UK would have been liable for £17 billion in contributions. A membership fee isn’t the same as the economic cost or benefit Being in the EU costs money but does it also create trade, jobs and investment that are worth more? We can be pretty sure about how much cash we put in, but it’s far harder to be sure about how much, if anything, comes back in economic benefits. The above organisation recognise that it is difficult to quantify what we get back ( if anything ) | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty .
Its £8.6bn but the EU also pays £1bn of your foreign aid. Your net figure also doesnt include money going to the British private sector which is a further £1bn. So the real figure is £6.6bn per year.
For that money the UK economy doesnt have to pay £4.5bn in import duties it would otherwise have to pay for exporting to the EU.
The added cost of customs checks to deal with EU trade will be £.25bn per year.
The additional costs of compliance for companies who wish to export to the EU as a foreign state could be up to £1bn per year.
The British consumer goods sector is estimated to lose out on £5.2 bn in export revenue. (Spanish, French and Greek consumers dont want to pay extra for an ironing board just because it was made in Britain). The car sector is estimated to lose £7.9bn. In fact the Baker McKenzie report says that British business could lose up to £17bn per year.
The British people would face spending up to an extra £3.8bn in food imports per year with no deal.
The UK will also lose 120+ trade agreements with other countries that have been done through the EU. The UK will end up with worse deals here because its a smaller market than the EU and size matters. No one knows yet how many billions this could cost.
And you know full well that I and many others have explained to you repeatedly in various ways what you get for money you pay to the EU. And just for reference that £6.6bn is 0.8% of the UKs budget. And thats not a typo, zero point eight per cent. Thats what youve thrown away the countries economic stability for. Luckily most UK residents do not take such a gloomy m or pessimistic view . The car industry are not too concerned and Tim Martin of Wethespoons stated that there will be marginal savings in the price of food in his restaurants once we leave. If there is any validity to the reports which you quote I would have thought that the time to present such information would have been prior to the referendum, not afterwards.
Most people would regard £9 billion as a very substantial sum of money and the % age basis only becomes relevant if the amounts involved were small. When people quote percentages such as these I always think that it smacks of desperation. It is a bit like someone quoting a cost per week when trying to sell a product, they are simply either hiding the true cost or afraid to state it.
Investors have already made their assessment on the impact of Brexit. My sentiments lie with their overall assessment .
Despite all the various comments on these forums all countries will continue to work together as the German Car industry needs us as much as we need them.
Most UK residents will have no overall interest in the losses or gains but will simply want the government to complete the task that they were elected to do.
Luckily for us , Theressa May is doing a sterling job and both her and her team will deliver what is expected of the current government . No other party can come close to the support that she has. The recent election results proved this .
Luckily for everyone what we say or hear on these forums is irrelevant. What matters is what the government deliver and at what cost . The EU is as dependent on us as were are on them . Some of the stories about the EU wanting to punish us is simply scare mongering.
You really don't get it do you?
Your ears full of sand from burying your head so deep you refuse to accept what's going to happen..
Fuck me m8, the PM is doing a sterling job!!!
Totally in La La land with such imaginings..
Clearly your opinion is different . All you need to do now is persuade a sufficient percentage of the electorate to agree with you. I am happy to support a democratically elected government.
Not even her own cabinet support her..
They and we are stuck with a weak leader because to remove her now may push us into another election and the Tories are petrified of that..
More head in the sand rhetoric.. Having already won two elelections recently I cannot see the party being afraid of another . If anything lessons will have been learned from the last campaign.
The dementia campaign issue was probably indicative of the fact that people do not like having to pay for the services which we receive . It was a noble jesture to try and resolve one of the biggest problems which the country faces in the future . ( namely care of the elderly). To date no party has suggested a better alternative .
I personally regard her as a great leader who is quietly getting the job done without making a big fuss over it . ( one of life's achievers).
Any cabinet will have ministers who may not support their leader . You simply work around these issues.
What is a head in the sand approach to you is of course a highly realistic approach to others .
I would of course have to reassess my appraisal if a different party were elected .
Look at the numbers, the actual data and the story is of a less popular party from 2015 to 2017..
no majority..
lost 13 seats and Labour gained 30..
% of vote increased but by less than 6%, Labours increased by 9.6%..
yes still more seats but look at the direction of travel..
that you think its all fine at Tory head office is so out of step with what the Tory party thinks at present..
maybe they should have you as a spokesperson..?
Hi . Your analysis is all very interesting information but the only result that actually matters is the vote cast and result returned on election day .
Tony Blair ( a man who knows about winning elections ) states that Labour shold be 15 -20 points ahead in the polls by now if they are to be in with a chance of winning .
An article by Kenneth Baker in todays Daily Telegraph is an excellent summary of her performance and I quote .
The Prime Minister has already shown that she can should a lot of vituperation , belittling and riting off . She has also shown a determined , indeed dogged , and upright resolution . As a vicars daugher she puts her sense of duty before her own peace of mind . The public recognise that , and as such she is the partys most popular leader .The public has also come to realise that Europe is bullying us and that Mrs May is well able to stand up to bullies . The public , as usual, is right , so stick at it Theresa . "More yawn more drivel it’s getting so boring listening to this crap | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty .
Its £8.6bn but the EU also pays £1bn of your foreign aid. Your net figure also doesnt include money going to the British private sector which is a further £1bn. So the real figure is £6.6bn per year.
For that money the UK economy doesnt have to pay £4.5bn in import duties it would otherwise have to pay for exporting to the EU.
The added cost of customs checks to deal with EU trade will be £.25bn per year.
The additional costs of compliance for companies who wish to export to the EU as a foreign state could be up to £1bn per year.
The British consumer goods sector is estimated to lose out on £5.2 bn in export revenue. (Spanish, French and Greek consumers dont want to pay extra for an ironing board just because it was made in Britain). The car sector is estimated to lose £7.9bn. In fact the Baker McKenzie report says that British business could lose up to £17bn per year.
The British people would face spending up to an extra £3.8bn in food imports per year with no deal.
The UK will also lose 120+ trade agreements with other countries that have been done through the EU. The UK will end up with worse deals here because its a smaller market than the EU and size matters. No one knows yet how many billions this could cost.
And you know full well that I and many others have explained to you repeatedly in various ways what you get for money you pay to the EU. And just for reference that £6.6bn is 0.8% of the UKs budget. And thats not a typo, zero point eight per cent. Thats what youve thrown away the countries economic stability for. Luckily most UK residents do not take such a gloomy m or pessimistic view . The car industry are not too concerned and Tim Martin of Wethespoons stated that there will be marginal savings in the price of food in his restaurants once we leave. If there is any validity to the reports which you quote I would have thought that the time to present such information would have been prior to the referendum, not afterwards.
Most people would regard £9 billion as a very substantial sum of money and the % age basis only becomes relevant if the amounts involved were small. When people quote percentages such as these I always think that it smacks of desperation. It is a bit like someone quoting a cost per week when trying to sell a product, they are simply either hiding the true cost or afraid to state it.
Investors have already made their assessment on the impact of Brexit. My sentiments lie with their overall assessment .
Despite all the various comments on these forums all countries will continue to work together as the German Car industry needs us as much as we need them.
Most UK residents will have no overall interest in the losses or gains but will simply want the government to complete the task that they were elected to do.
Luckily for us , Theressa May is doing a sterling job and both her and her team will deliver what is expected of the current government . No other party can come close to the support that she has. The recent election results proved this .
Luckily for everyone what we say or hear on these forums is irrelevant. What matters is what the government deliver and at what cost . The EU is as dependent on us as were are on them . Some of the stories about the EU wanting to punish us is simply scare mongering.
You really don't get it do you?
Your ears full of sand from burying your head so deep you refuse to accept what's going to happen..
Fuck me m8, the PM is doing a sterling job!!!
Totally in La La land with such imaginings..
Clearly your opinion is different . All you need to do now is persuade a sufficient percentage of the electorate to agree with you. I am happy to support a democratically elected government.
Not even her own cabinet support her..
They and we are stuck with a weak leader because to remove her now may push us into another election and the Tories are petrified of that..
More head in the sand rhetoric.. Having already won two elelections recently I cannot see the party being afraid of another . If anything lessons will have been learned from the last campaign.
The dementia campaign issue was probably indicative of the fact that people do not like having to pay for the services which we receive . It was a noble jesture to try and resolve one of the biggest problems which the country faces in the future . ( namely care of the elderly). To date no party has suggested a better alternative .
I personally regard her as a great leader who is quietly getting the job done without making a big fuss over it . ( one of life's achievers).
Any cabinet will have ministers who may not support their leader . You simply work around these issues.
What is a head in the sand approach to you is of course a highly realistic approach to others .
I would of course have to reassess my appraisal if a different party were elected .
Look at the numbers, the actual data and the story is of a less popular party from 2015 to 2017..
no majority..
lost 13 seats and Labour gained 30..
% of vote increased but by less than 6%, Labours increased by 9.6%..
yes still more seats but look at the direction of travel..
that you think its all fine at Tory head office is so out of step with what the Tory party thinks at present..
maybe they should have you as a spokesperson..?
Hi . Your analysis is all very interesting information but the only result that actually matters is the vote cast and result returned on election day .
Tony Blair ( a man who knows about winning elections ) states that Labour shold be 15 -20 points ahead in the polls by now if they are to be in with a chance of winning .
An article by Kenneth Baker in todays Daily Telegraph is an excellent summary of her performance and I quote .
The Prime Minister has already shown that she can should a lot of vituperation , belittling and riting off . She has also shown a determined , indeed dogged , and upright resolution . As a vicars daugher she puts her sense of duty before her own peace of mind . The public recognise that , and as such she is the partys most popular leader .The public has also come to realise that Europe is bullying us and that Mrs May is well able to stand up to bullies . The public , as usual, is right , so stick at it Theresa . ".. | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty .
Its £8.6bn but the EU also pays £1bn of your foreign aid. Your net figure also doesnt include money going to the British private sector which is a further £1bn. So the real figure is £6.6bn per year.
For that money the UK economy doesnt have to pay £4.5bn in import duties it would otherwise have to pay for exporting to the EU.
The added cost of customs checks to deal with EU trade will be £.25bn per year.
The additional costs of compliance for companies who wish to export to the EU as a foreign state could be up to £1bn per year.
The British consumer goods sector is estimated to lose out on £5.2 bn in export revenue. (Spanish, French and Greek consumers dont want to pay extra for an ironing board just because it was made in Britain). The car sector is estimated to lose £7.9bn. In fact the Baker McKenzie report says that British business could lose up to £17bn per year.
The British people would face spending up to an extra £3.8bn in food imports per year with no deal.
The UK will also lose 120+ trade agreements with other countries that have been done through the EU. The UK will end up with worse deals here because its a smaller market than the EU and size matters. No one knows yet how many billions this could cost.
And you know full well that I and many others have explained to you repeatedly in various ways what you get for money you pay to the EU. And just for reference that £6.6bn is 0.8% of the UKs budget. And thats not a typo, zero point eight per cent. Thats what youve thrown away the countries economic stability for. Luckily most UK residents do not take such a gloomy m or pessimistic view . The car industry are not too concerned and Tim Martin of Wethespoons stated that there will be marginal savings in the price of food in his restaurants once we leave. If there is any validity to the reports which you quote I would have thought that the time to present such information would have been prior to the referendum, not afterwards.
Most people would regard £9 billion as a very substantial sum of money and the % age basis only becomes relevant if the amounts involved were small. When people quote percentages such as these I always think that it smacks of desperation. It is a bit like someone quoting a cost per week when trying to sell a product, they are simply either hiding the true cost or afraid to state it.
Investors have already made their assessment on the impact of Brexit. My sentiments lie with their overall assessment .
Despite all the various comments on these forums all countries will continue to work together as the German Car industry needs us as much as we need them.
Most UK residents will have no overall interest in the losses or gains but will simply want the government to complete the task that they were elected to do.
Luckily for us , Theressa May is doing a sterling job and both her and her team will deliver what is expected of the current government . No other party can come close to the support that she has. The recent election results proved this .
Luckily for everyone what we say or hear on these forums is irrelevant. What matters is what the government deliver and at what cost . The EU is as dependent on us as were are on them . Some of the stories about the EU wanting to punish us is simply scare mongering.
You really don't get it do you?
Your ears full of sand from burying your head so deep you refuse to accept what's going to happen..
Fuck me m8, the PM is doing a sterling job!!!
Totally in La La land with such imaginings..
Clearly your opinion is different . All you need to do now is persuade a sufficient percentage of the electorate to agree with you. I am happy to support a democratically elected government.
Not even her own cabinet support her..
They and we are stuck with a weak leader because to remove her now may push us into another election and the Tories are petrified of that..
More head in the sand rhetoric.. Having already won two elelections recently I cannot see the party being afraid of another . If anything lessons will have been learned from the last campaign.
The dementia campaign issue was probably indicative of the fact that people do not like having to pay for the services which we receive . It was a noble jesture to try and resolve one of the biggest problems which the country faces in the future . ( namely care of the elderly). To date no party has suggested a better alternative .
I personally regard her as a great leader who is quietly getting the job done without making a big fuss over it . ( one of life's achievers).
Any cabinet will have ministers who may not support their leader . You simply work around these issues.
What is a head in the sand approach to you is of course a highly realistic approach to others .
I would of course have to reassess my appraisal if a different party were elected .
Look at the numbers, the actual data and the story is of a less popular party from 2015 to 2017..
no majority..
lost 13 seats and Labour gained 30..
% of vote increased but by less than 6%, Labours increased by 9.6%..
yes still more seats but look at the direction of travel..
that you think its all fine at Tory head office is so out of step with what the Tory party thinks at present..
maybe they should have you as a spokesperson..?
Hi . Your analysis is all very interesting information but the only result that actually matters is the vote cast and result returned on election day .
Tony Blair ( a man who knows about winning elections ) states that Labour shold be 15 -20 points ahead in the polls by now if they are to be in with a chance of winning .
An article by Kenneth Baker in todays Daily Telegraph is an excellent summary of her performance and I quote .
The Prime Minister has already shown that she can should a lot of vituperation , belittling and riting off . She has also shown a determined , indeed dogged , and upright resolution . As a vicars daugher she puts her sense of duty before her own peace of mind . The public recognise that , and as such she is the partys most popular leader .The public has also come to realise that Europe is bullying us and that Mrs May is well able to stand up to bullies . The public , as usual, is right , so stick at it Theresa . "so he thinks she is more popular than Thatcher.. wonder why when she called the election she said she would not call this year that she lost her majority then? and pretty much every poll of the public has shown her popularity as falling since she took over.. then again maybe he whom you quote is in a la la land, alternative universe.. | |||
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"Interesting as your post was I did not analyse it in too much detail as it only appeared to refer to potential savings ( when referring to import / export duties ) but did not capture the other side of the coin ( namely loss of duty revenues collectable ) . From what would appear to be an independent source We don't take sides in any debate and don't support any political party or campaign. We've been quoted by politicians on all sides and corrected people on all sides. We have a cross-party Board of Trustees and safeguards in place at every level of our organisation to ensure our neutrality. In 2016 the UK government paid £13.1 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4.5 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at about £8.6 billion. Each year the UK gets a discount on its contributions to the EU—the ‘rebate’—worth almost £4 billion last year. Without it the UK would have been liable for £17 billion in contributions. A membership fee isn’t the same as the economic cost or benefit Being in the EU costs money but does it also create trade, jobs and investment that are worth more? We can be pretty sure about how much cash we put in, but it’s far harder to be sure about how much, if anything, comes back in economic benefits. The above organisation recognise that it is difficult to quantify what we get back ( if anything ) " Well you were quoting Timmy from Weatherspoons and his plan is to unilaterly drop import duties, so are you backing that plan or not? If you are backing it then the UK government stands to gain zero in import duties. If you arent backing it then the cost of living is going to increase massively for people, so either way youre in a bad situation. That source is correct on the figure being £8.6bn (which is exactly what I said it was) but if youre quoting from the organisation I think you are then youve selectively quoted them because they nake clear that the foreign aid and EU money to private british business counts for a billion each. That beings the total down to £6.6bn. | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty .
Its £8.6bn but the EU also pays £1bn of your foreign aid. Your net figure also doesnt include money going to the British private sector which is a further £1bn. So the real figure is £6.6bn per year.
For that money the UK economy doesnt have to pay £4.5bn in import duties it would otherwise have to pay for exporting to the EU.
The added cost of customs checks to deal with EU trade will be £.25bn per year.
The additional costs of compliance for companies who wish to export to the EU as a foreign state could be up to £1bn per year.
The British consumer goods sector is estimated to lose out on £5.2 bn in export revenue. (Spanish, French and Greek consumers dont want to pay extra for an ironing board just because it was made in Britain). The car sector is estimated to lose £7.9bn. In fact the Baker McKenzie report says that British business could lose up to £17bn per year.
The British people would face spending up to an extra £3.8bn in food imports per year with no deal.
The UK will also lose 120+ trade agreements with other countries that have been done through the EU. The UK will end up with worse deals here because its a smaller market than the EU and size matters. No one knows yet how many billions this could cost.
And you know full well that I and many others have explained to you repeatedly in various ways what you get for money you pay to the EU. And just for reference that £6.6bn is 0.8% of the UKs budget. And thats not a typo, zero point eight per cent. Thats what youve thrown away the countries economic stability for. Luckily most UK residents do not take such a gloomy m or pessimistic view . The car industry are not too concerned and Tim Martin of Wethespoons stated that there will be marginal savings in the price of food in his restaurants once we leave. If there is any validity to the reports which you quote I would have thought that the time to present such information would have been prior to the referendum, not afterwards.
Most people would regard £9 billion as a very substantial sum of money and the % age basis only becomes relevant if the amounts involved were small. When people quote percentages such as these I always think that it smacks of desperation. It is a bit like someone quoting a cost per week when trying to sell a product, they are simply either hiding the true cost or afraid to state it.
Investors have already made their assessment on the impact of Brexit. My sentiments lie with their overall assessment .
Despite all the various comments on these forums all countries will continue to work together as the German Car industry needs us as much as we need them.
Most UK residents will have no overall interest in the losses or gains but will simply want the government to complete the task that they were elected to do.
Luckily for us , Theressa May is doing a sterling job and both her and her team will deliver what is expected of the current government . No other party can come close to the support that she has. The recent election results proved this .
Luckily for everyone what we say or hear on these forums is irrelevant. What matters is what the government deliver and at what cost . The EU is as dependent on us as were are on them . Some of the stories about the EU wanting to punish us is simply scare mongering.
You really don't get it do you?
Your ears full of sand from burying your head so deep you refuse to accept what's going to happen..
Fuck me m8, the PM is doing a sterling job!!!
Totally in La La land with such imaginings..
Clearly your opinion is different . All you need to do now is persuade a sufficient percentage of the electorate to agree with you. I am happy to support a democratically elected government.
Not even her own cabinet support her..
They and we are stuck with a weak leader because to remove her now may push us into another election and the Tories are petrified of that..
More head in the sand rhetoric.. Having already won two elelections recently I cannot see the party being afraid of another . If anything lessons will have been learned from the last campaign.
The dementia campaign issue was probably indicative of the fact that people do not like having to pay for the services which we receive . It was a noble jesture to try and resolve one of the biggest problems which the country faces in the future . ( namely care of the elderly). To date no party has suggested a better alternative .
I personally regard her as a great leader who is quietly getting the job done without making a big fuss over it . ( one of life's achievers).
Any cabinet will have ministers who may not support their leader . You simply work around these issues.
What is a head in the sand approach to you is of course a highly realistic approach to others .
I would of course have to reassess my appraisal if a different party were elected .
Look at the numbers, the actual data and the story is of a less popular party from 2015 to 2017..
no majority..
lost 13 seats and Labour gained 30..
% of vote increased but by less than 6%, Labours increased by 9.6%..
yes still more seats but look at the direction of travel..
that you think its all fine at Tory head office is so out of step with what the Tory party thinks at present..
maybe they should have you as a spokesperson..?
Hi . Your analysis is all very interesting information but the only result that actually matters is the vote cast and result returned on election day .
Tony Blair ( a man who knows about winning elections ) states that Labour shold be 15 -20 points ahead in the polls by now if they are to be in with a chance of winning .
An article by Kenneth Baker in todays Daily Telegraph is an excellent summary of her performance and I quote .
The Prime Minister has already shown that she can should a lot of vituperation , belittling and riting off . She has also shown a determined , indeed dogged , and upright resolution . As a vicars daugher she puts her sense of duty before her own peace of mind . The public recognise that , and as such she is the partys most popular leader .The public has also come to realise that Europe is bullying us and that Mrs May is well able to stand up to bullies . The public , as usual, is right , so stick at it Theresa .
so he thinks she is more popular than Thatcher..
wonder why when she called the election she said she would not call this year that she lost her majority then?
and pretty much every poll of the public has shown her popularity as falling since she took over..
then again maybe he whom you quote is in a la la land, alternative universe.."Therersa May did get more votes in the general election than Thatcher ever got so there is a case there that she is more popular having gained more votes. Theresa May also got more votes in the general election than Tony Blair ever got too.
If anyone's popularity is going down its Corbyn's. Since the general election his popularity in the polls has been on a steady downward spiral, Labour are only 3 points in front of the tories in the polls now, even Blair admits that Labour need to be 15 to 20 points clear to win a general election. Peak Jezza was reached at the general election but now the public have seen that his promise to cancel student debt was abandoned 5 minutes after the election and those Labour supporters who support Brexit can see that Labour are out to sabotage Brexit, support for Corbyn is only going one way and that's down. | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty .
Its £8.6bn but the EU also pays £1bn of your foreign aid. Your net figure also doesnt include money going to the British private sector which is a further £1bn. So the real figure is £6.6bn per year.
For that money the UK economy doesnt have to pay £4.5bn in import duties it would otherwise have to pay for exporting to the EU.
The added cost of customs checks to deal with EU trade will be £.25bn per year.
The additional costs of compliance for companies who wish to export to the EU as a foreign state could be up to £1bn per year.
The British consumer goods sector is estimated to lose out on £5.2 bn in export revenue. (Spanish, French and Greek consumers dont want to pay extra for an ironing board just because it was made in Britain). The car sector is estimated to lose £7.9bn. In fact the Baker McKenzie report says that British business could lose up to £17bn per year.
The British people would face spending up to an extra £3.8bn in food imports per year with no deal.
The UK will also lose 120+ trade agreements with other countries that have been done through the EU. The UK will end up with worse deals here because its a smaller market than the EU and size matters. No one knows yet how many billions this could cost.
And you know full well that I and many others have explained to you repeatedly in various ways what you get for money you pay to the EU. And just for reference that £6.6bn is 0.8% of the UKs budget. And thats not a typo, zero point eight per cent. Thats what youve thrown away the countries economic stability for. Luckily most UK residents do not take such a gloomy m or pessimistic view . The car industry are not too concerned and Tim Martin of Wethespoons stated that there will be marginal savings in the price of food in his restaurants once we leave. If there is any validity to the reports which you quote I would have thought that the time to present such information would have been prior to the referendum, not afterwards.
Most people would regard £9 billion as a very substantial sum of money and the % age basis only becomes relevant if the amounts involved were small. When people quote percentages such as these I always think that it smacks of desperation. It is a bit like someone quoting a cost per week when trying to sell a product, they are simply either hiding the true cost or afraid to state it.
Investors have already made their assessment on the impact of Brexit. My sentiments lie with their overall assessment .
Despite all the various comments on these forums all countries will continue to work together as the German Car industry needs us as much as we need them.
Most UK residents will have no overall interest in the losses or gains but will simply want the government to complete the task that they were elected to do.
Luckily for us , Theressa May is doing a sterling job and both her and her team will deliver what is expected of the current government . No other party can come close to the support that she has. The recent election results proved this .
Luckily for everyone what we say or hear on these forums is irrelevant. What matters is what the government deliver and at what cost . The EU is as dependent on us as were are on them . Some of the stories about the EU wanting to punish us is simply scare mongering.
You really don't get it do you?
Your ears full of sand from burying your head so deep you refuse to accept what's going to happen..
Fuck me m8, the PM is doing a sterling job!!!
Totally in La La land with such imaginings..
Clearly your opinion is different . All you need to do now is persuade a sufficient percentage of the electorate to agree with you. I am happy to support a democratically elected government.
Not even her own cabinet support her..
They and we are stuck with a weak leader because to remove her now may push us into another election and the Tories are petrified of that..
More head in the sand rhetoric.. Having already won two elelections recently I cannot see the party being afraid of another . If anything lessons will have been learned from the last campaign.
The dementia campaign issue was probably indicative of the fact that people do not like having to pay for the services which we receive . It was a noble jesture to try and resolve one of the biggest problems which the country faces in the future . ( namely care of the elderly). To date no party has suggested a better alternative .
I personally regard her as a great leader who is quietly getting the job done without making a big fuss over it . ( one of life's achievers).
Any cabinet will have ministers who may not support their leader . You simply work around these issues.
What is a head in the sand approach to you is of course a highly realistic approach to others .
I would of course have to reassess my appraisal if a different party were elected .
Look at the numbers, the actual data and the story is of a less popular party from 2015 to 2017..
no majority..
lost 13 seats and Labour gained 30..
% of vote increased but by less than 6%, Labours increased by 9.6%..
yes still more seats but look at the direction of travel..
that you think its all fine at Tory head office is so out of step with what the Tory party thinks at present..
maybe they should have you as a spokesperson..?
Hi . Your analysis is all very interesting information but the only result that actually matters is the vote cast and result returned on election day .
Tony Blair ( a man who knows about winning elections ) states that Labour shold be 15 -20 points ahead in the polls by now if they are to be in with a chance of winning .
An article by Kenneth Baker in todays Daily Telegraph is an excellent summary of her performance and I quote .
The Prime Minister has already shown that she can should a lot of vituperation , belittling and riting off . She has also shown a determined , indeed dogged , and upright resolution . As a vicars daugher she puts her sense of duty before her own peace of mind . The public recognise that , and as such she is the partys most popular leader .The public has also come to realise that Europe is bullying us and that Mrs May is well able to stand up to bullies . The public , as usual, is right , so stick at it Theresa .
so he thinks she is more popular than Thatcher..
wonder why when she called the election she said she would not call this year that she lost her majority then?
and pretty much every poll of the public has shown her popularity as falling since she took over..
then again maybe he whom you quote is in a la la land, alternative universe..
Therersa May did get more votes in the general election than Thatcher ever got so there is a case there that she is more popular having gained more votes. Theresa May also got more votes in the general election than Tony Blair ever got too.
If anyone's popularity is going down its Corbyn's. Since the general election his popularity in the polls has been on a steady downward spiral, Labour are only 3 points in front of the tories in the polls now, even Blair admits that Labour need to be 15 to 20 points clear to win a general election. Peak Jezza was reached at the general election but now the public have seen that his promise to cancel student debt was abandoned 5 minutes after the election and those Labour supporters who support Brexit can see that Labour are out to sabotage Brexit, support for Corbyn is only going one way and that's down. "Direct question to you.. will you totally condemn people who wear the regalia of the Nazi's and the KKK..? | |||
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" An article by Kenneth Baker in todays Daily Telegraph is an excellent summary of her performance and I quote . The Prime Minister has already shown that she can should a lot of vituperation , belittling and riting off . She has also shown a determined , indeed dogged , and upright resolution . As a vicars daugher she puts her sense of duty before her own peace of mind . The public recognise that , and as such she is the partys most popular leader .The public has also come to realise that Europe is bullying us and that Mrs May is well able to stand up to bullies . The public , as usual, is right , so stick at it Theresa . More yawn more drivel it’s getting so boring listening to this crap " Do you ever add anything to these posts apart from derisory bleatings? | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty .
Its £8.6bn but the EU also pays £1bn of your foreign aid. Your net figure also doesnt include money going to the British private sector which is a further £1bn. So the real figure is £6.6bn per year.
For that money the UK economy doesnt have to pay £4.5bn in import duties it would otherwise have to pay for exporting to the EU.
The added cost of customs checks to deal with EU trade will be £.25bn per year.
The additional costs of compliance for companies who wish to export to the EU as a foreign state could be up to £1bn per year.
The British consumer goods sector is estimated to lose out on £5.2 bn in export revenue. (Spanish, French and Greek consumers dont want to pay extra for an ironing board just because it was made in Britain). The car sector is estimated to lose £7.9bn. In fact the Baker McKenzie report says that British business could lose up to £17bn per year.
The British people would face spending up to an extra £3.8bn in food imports per year with no deal.
The UK will also lose 120+ trade agreements with other countries that have been done through the EU. The UK will end up with worse deals here because its a smaller market than the EU and size matters. No one knows yet how many billions this could cost.
And you know full well that I and many others have explained to you repeatedly in various ways what you get for money you pay to the EU. And just for reference that £6.6bn is 0.8% of the UKs budget. And thats not a typo, zero point eight per cent. Thats what youve thrown away the countries economic stability for. Luckily most UK residents do not take such a gloomy m or pessimistic view . The car industry are not too concerned and Tim Martin of Wethespoons stated that there will be marginal savings in the price of food in his restaurants once we leave. If there is any validity to the reports which you quote I would have thought that the time to present such information would have been prior to the referendum, not afterwards.
Most people would regard £9 billion as a very substantial sum of money and the % age basis only becomes relevant if the amounts involved were small. When people quote percentages such as these I always think that it smacks of desperation. It is a bit like someone quoting a cost per week when trying to sell a product, they are simply either hiding the true cost or afraid to state it.
Investors have already made their assessment on the impact of Brexit. My sentiments lie with their overall assessment .
Despite all the various comments on these forums all countries will continue to work together as the German Car industry needs us as much as we need them.
Most UK residents will have no overall interest in the losses or gains but will simply want the government to complete the task that they were elected to do.
Luckily for us , Theressa May is doing a sterling job and both her and her team will deliver what is expected of the current government . No other party can come close to the support that she has. The recent election results proved this .
Luckily for everyone what we say or hear on these forums is irrelevant. What matters is what the government deliver and at what cost . The EU is as dependent on us as were are on them . Some of the stories about the EU wanting to punish us is simply scare mongering.
You really don't get it do you?
Your ears full of sand from burying your head so deep you refuse to accept what's going to happen..
Fuck me m8, the PM is doing a sterling job!!!
Totally in La La land with such imaginings..
Clearly your opinion is different . All you need to do now is persuade a sufficient percentage of the electorate to agree with you. I am happy to support a democratically elected government.
Not even her own cabinet support her..
They and we are stuck with a weak leader because to remove her now may push us into another election and the Tories are petrified of that..
More head in the sand rhetoric.. Having already won two elelections recently I cannot see the party being afraid of another . If anything lessons will have been learned from the last campaign.
The dementia campaign issue was probably indicative of the fact that people do not like having to pay for the services which we receive . It was a noble jesture to try and resolve one of the biggest problems which the country faces in the future . ( namely care of the elderly). To date no party has suggested a better alternative .
I personally regard her as a great leader who is quietly getting the job done without making a big fuss over it . ( one of life's achievers).
Any cabinet will have ministers who may not support their leader . You simply work around these issues.
What is a head in the sand approach to you is of course a highly realistic approach to others .
I would of course have to reassess my appraisal if a different party were elected .
Look at the numbers, the actual data and the story is of a less popular party from 2015 to 2017..
no majority..
lost 13 seats and Labour gained 30..
% of vote increased but by less than 6%, Labours increased by 9.6%..
yes still more seats but look at the direction of travel..
that you think its all fine at Tory head office is so out of step with what the Tory party thinks at present..
maybe they should have you as a spokesperson..?
Hi . Your analysis is all very interesting information but the only result that actually matters is the vote cast and result returned on election day .
Tony Blair ( a man who knows about winning elections ) states that Labour shold be 15 -20 points ahead in the polls by now if they are to be in with a chance of winning .
An article by Kenneth Baker in todays Daily Telegraph is an excellent summary of her performance and I quote .
The Prime Minister has already shown that she can should a lot of vituperation , belittling and riting off . She has also shown a determined , indeed dogged , and upright resolution . As a vicars daugher she puts her sense of duty before her own peace of mind . The public recognise that , and as such she is the partys most popular leader .The public has also come to realise that Europe is bullying us and that Mrs May is well able to stand up to bullies . The public , as usual, is right , so stick at it Theresa .
so he thinks she is more popular than Thatcher..
wonder why when she called the election she said she would not call this year that she lost her majority then?
and pretty much every poll of the public has shown her popularity as falling since she took over..
then again maybe he whom you quote is in a la la land, alternative universe..
Therersa May did get more votes in the general election than Thatcher ever got so there is a case there that she is more popular having gained more votes. Theresa May also got more votes in the general election than Tony Blair ever got too.
If anyone's popularity is going down its Corbyn's. Since the general election his popularity in the polls has been on a steady downward spiral, Labour are only 3 points in front of the tories in the polls now, even Blair admits that Labour need to be 15 to 20 points clear to win a general election. Peak Jezza was reached at the general election but now the public have seen that his promise to cancel student debt was abandoned 5 minutes after the election and those Labour supporters who support Brexit can see that Labour are out to sabotage Brexit, support for Corbyn is only going one way and that's down.
Direct question to you..
will you totally condemn people who wear the regalia of the Nazi's and the KKK..?
"What on earth has that got to do with anything on this thread? Your failure to address any of the points I raised shows that you don't have any answers in reply and that you have conceded defeat. Instead you're trying a ridiculous bait and switch tactic but it won't work. Labour can't win a general election, Corbyn continues to praise oppressive and brutal regime's like that of Venezuela and the vile anti semitism that exists in the Labour party is still as rife now as it ever was since Corbyn and his far left Momentum mob wrestled power from the centre left of Labour. The public have become wise to it and Labour under Corbyn are finished. | |||
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" An article by Kenneth Baker in todays Daily Telegraph is an excellent summary of her performance and I quote . The Prime Minister has already shown that she can should a lot of vituperation , belittling and riting off . She has also shown a determined , indeed dogged , and upright resolution . As a vicars daugher she puts her sense of duty before her own peace of mind . The public recognise that , and as such she is the partys most popular leader .The public has also come to realise that Europe is bullying us and that Mrs May is well able to stand up to bullies . The public , as usual, is right , so stick at it Theresa . More yawn more drivel it’s getting so boring listening to this crap Do you ever add anything to these posts apart from derisory bleatings?" Yawn more crap and drivel | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty .
Its £8.6bn but the EU also pays £1bn of your foreign aid. Your net figure also doesnt include money going to the British private sector which is a further £1bn. So the real figure is £6.6bn per year.
For that money the UK economy doesnt have to pay £4.5bn in import duties it would otherwise have to pay for exporting to the EU.
The added cost of customs checks to deal with EU trade will be £.25bn per year.
The additional costs of compliance for companies who wish to export to the EU as a foreign state could be up to £1bn per year.
The British consumer goods sector is estimated to lose out on £5.2 bn in export revenue. (Spanish, French and Greek consumers dont want to pay extra for an ironing board just because it was made in Britain). The car sector is estimated to lose £7.9bn. In fact the Baker McKenzie report says that British business could lose up to £17bn per year.
The British people would face spending up to an extra £3.8bn in food imports per year with no deal.
The UK will also lose 120+ trade agreements with other countries that have been done through the EU. The UK will end up with worse deals here because its a smaller market than the EU and size matters. No one knows yet how many billions this could cost.
And you know full well that I and many others have explained to you repeatedly in various ways what you get for money you pay to the EU. And just for reference that £6.6bn is 0.8% of the UKs budget. And thats not a typo, zero point eight per cent. Thats what youve thrown away the countries economic stability for. Luckily most UK residents do not take such a gloomy m or pessimistic view . The car industry are not too concerned and Tim Martin of Wethespoons stated that there will be marginal savings in the price of food in his restaurants once we leave. If there is any validity to the reports which you quote I would have thought that the time to present such information would have been prior to the referendum, not afterwards.
Most people would regard £9 billion as a very substantial sum of money and the % age basis only becomes relevant if the amounts involved were small. When people quote percentages such as these I always think that it smacks of desperation. It is a bit like someone quoting a cost per week when trying to sell a product, they are simply either hiding the true cost or afraid to state it.
Investors have already made their assessment on the impact of Brexit. My sentiments lie with their overall assessment .
Despite all the various comments on these forums all countries will continue to work together as the German Car industry needs us as much as we need them.
Most UK residents will have no overall interest in the losses or gains but will simply want the government to complete the task that they were elected to do.
Luckily for us , Theressa May is doing a sterling job and both her and her team will deliver what is expected of the current government . No other party can come close to the support that she has. The recent election results proved this .
Luckily for everyone what we say or hear on these forums is irrelevant. What matters is what the government deliver and at what cost . The EU is as dependent on us as were are on them . Some of the stories about the EU wanting to punish us is simply scare mongering.
You really don't get it do you?
Your ears full of sand from burying your head so deep you refuse to accept what's going to happen..
Fuck me m8, the PM is doing a sterling job!!!
Totally in La La land with such imaginings..
Clearly your opinion is different . All you need to do now is persuade a sufficient percentage of the electorate to agree with you. I am happy to support a democratically elected government.
Not even her own cabinet support her..
They and we are stuck with a weak leader because to remove her now may push us into another election and the Tories are petrified of that..
More head in the sand rhetoric.. Having already won two elelections recently I cannot see the party being afraid of another . If anything lessons will have been learned from the last campaign.
The dementia campaign issue was probably indicative of the fact that people do not like having to pay for the services which we receive . It was a noble jesture to try and resolve one of the biggest problems which the country faces in the future . ( namely care of the elderly). To date no party has suggested a better alternative .
I personally regard her as a great leader who is quietly getting the job done without making a big fuss over it . ( one of life's achievers).
Any cabinet will have ministers who may not support their leader . You simply work around these issues.
What is a head in the sand approach to you is of course a highly realistic approach to others .
I would of course have to reassess my appraisal if a different party were elected .
Look at the numbers, the actual data and the story is of a less popular party from 2015 to 2017..
no majority..
lost 13 seats and Labour gained 30..
% of vote increased but by less than 6%, Labours increased by 9.6%..
yes still more seats but look at the direction of travel..
that you think its all fine at Tory head office is so out of step with what the Tory party thinks at present..
maybe they should have you as a spokesperson..?
Hi . Your analysis is all very interesting information but the only result that actually matters is the vote cast and result returned on election day .
Tony Blair ( a man who knows about winning elections ) states that Labour shold be 15 -20 points ahead in the polls by now if they are to be in with a chance of winning .
An article by Kenneth Baker in todays Daily Telegraph is an excellent summary of her performance and I quote .
The Prime Minister has already shown that she can should a lot of vituperation , belittling and riting off . She has also shown a determined , indeed dogged , and upright resolution . As a vicars daugher she puts her sense of duty before her own peace of mind . The public recognise that , and as such she is the partys most popular leader .The public has also come to realise that Europe is bullying us and that Mrs May is well able to stand up to bullies . The public , as usual, is right , so stick at it Theresa .
so he thinks she is more popular than Thatcher..
wonder why when she called the election she said she would not call this year that she lost her majority then?
and pretty much every poll of the public has shown her popularity as falling since she took over..
then again maybe he whom you quote is in a la la land, alternative universe..
Therersa May did get more votes in the general election than Thatcher ever got so there is a case there that she is more popular having gained more votes. Theresa May also got more votes in the general election than Tony Blair ever got too.
If anyone's popularity is going down its Corbyn's. Since the general election his popularity in the polls has been on a steady downward spiral, Labour are only 3 points in front of the tories in the polls now, even Blair admits that Labour need to be 15 to 20 points clear to win a general election. Peak Jezza was reached at the general election but now the public have seen that his promise to cancel student debt was abandoned 5 minutes after the election and those Labour supporters who support Brexit can see that Labour are out to sabotage Brexit, support for Corbyn is only going one way and that's down.
Direct question to you..
will you totally condemn people who wear the regalia of the Nazi's and the KKK..?
What on earth has that got to do with anything on this thread?
Your failure to address any of the points I raised shows that you don't have any answers in reply and that you have conceded defeat. Instead you're trying a ridiculous bait and switch tactic but it won't work. Labour can't win a general election, Corbyn continues to praise oppressive and brutal regime's like that of Venezuela and the vile anti semitism that exists in the Labour party is still as rife now as it ever was since Corbyn and his far left Momentum mob wrestled power from the centre left of Labour. The public have become wise to it and Labour under Corbyn are finished. "Your trying to convince yourself fella mrs may and the torties have fucked them selves and fucked the U.K. | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty .
Its £8.6bn but the EU also pays £1bn of your foreign aid. Your net figure also doesnt include money going to the British private sector which is a further £1bn. So the real figure is £6.6bn per year.
For that money the UK economy doesnt have to pay £4.5bn in import duties it would otherwise have to pay for exporting to the EU.
The added cost of customs checks to deal with EU trade will be £.25bn per year.
The additional costs of compliance for companies who wish to export to the EU as a foreign state could be up to £1bn per year.
The British consumer goods sector is estimated to lose out on £5.2 bn in export revenue. (Spanish, French and Greek consumers dont want to pay extra for an ironing board just because it was made in Britain). The car sector is estimated to lose £7.9bn. In fact the Baker McKenzie report says that British business could lose up to £17bn per year.
The British people would face spending up to an extra £3.8bn in food imports per year with no deal.
The UK will also lose 120+ trade agreements with other countries that have been done through the EU. The UK will end up with worse deals here because its a smaller market than the EU and size matters. No one knows yet how many billions this could cost.
And you know full well that I and many others have explained to you repeatedly in various ways what you get for money you pay to the EU. And just for reference that £6.6bn is 0.8% of the UKs budget. And thats not a typo, zero point eight per cent. Thats what youve thrown away the countries economic stability for. Luckily most UK residents do not take such a gloomy m or pessimistic view . The car industry are not too concerned and Tim Martin of Wethespoons stated that there will be marginal savings in the price of food in his restaurants once we leave. If there is any validity to the reports which you quote I would have thought that the time to present such information would have been prior to the referendum, not afterwards.
Most people would regard £9 billion as a very substantial sum of money and the % age basis only becomes relevant if the amounts involved were small. When people quote percentages such as these I always think that it smacks of desperation. It is a bit like someone quoting a cost per week when trying to sell a product, they are simply either hiding the true cost or afraid to state it.
Investors have already made their assessment on the impact of Brexit. My sentiments lie with their overall assessment .
Despite all the various comments on these forums all countries will continue to work together as the German Car industry needs us as much as we need them.
Most UK residents will have no overall interest in the losses or gains but will simply want the government to complete the task that they were elected to do.
Luckily for us , Theressa May is doing a sterling job and both her and her team will deliver what is expected of the current government . No other party can come close to the support that she has. The recent election results proved this .
Luckily for everyone what we say or hear on these forums is irrelevant. What matters is what the government deliver and at what cost . The EU is as dependent on us as were are on them . Some of the stories about the EU wanting to punish us is simply scare mongering.
You really don't get it do you?
Your ears full of sand from burying your head so deep you refuse to accept what's going to happen..
Fuck me m8, the PM is doing a sterling job!!!
Totally in La La land with such imaginings..
Clearly your opinion is different . All you need to do now is persuade a sufficient percentage of the electorate to agree with you. I am happy to support a democratically elected government.
Not even her own cabinet support her..
They and we are stuck with a weak leader because to remove her now may push us into another election and the Tories are petrified of that..
More head in the sand rhetoric.. Having already won two elelections recently I cannot see the party being afraid of another . If anything lessons will have been learned from the last campaign.
The dementia campaign issue was probably indicative of the fact that people do not like having to pay for the services which we receive . It was a noble jesture to try and resolve one of the biggest problems which the country faces in the future . ( namely care of the elderly). To date no party has suggested a better alternative .
I personally regard her as a great leader who is quietly getting the job done without making a big fuss over it . ( one of life's achievers).
Any cabinet will have ministers who may not support their leader . You simply work around these issues.
What is a head in the sand approach to you is of course a highly realistic approach to others .
I would of course have to reassess my appraisal if a different party were elected .
Look at the numbers, the actual data and the story is of a less popular party from 2015 to 2017..
no majority..
lost 13 seats and Labour gained 30..
% of vote increased but by less than 6%, Labours increased by 9.6%..
yes still more seats but look at the direction of travel..
that you think its all fine at Tory head office is so out of step with what the Tory party thinks at present..
maybe they should have you as a spokesperson..?
Hi . Your analysis is all very interesting information but the only result that actually matters is the vote cast and result returned on election day .
Tony Blair ( a man who knows about winning elections ) states that Labour shold be 15 -20 points ahead in the polls by now if they are to be in with a chance of winning .
An article by Kenneth Baker in todays Daily Telegraph is an excellent summary of her performance and I quote .
The Prime Minister has already shown that she can should a lot of vituperation , belittling and riting off . She has also shown a determined , indeed dogged , and upright resolution . As a vicars daugher she puts her sense of duty before her own peace of mind . The public recognise that , and as such she is the partys most popular leader .The public has also come to realise that Europe is bullying us and that Mrs May is well able to stand up to bullies . The public , as usual, is right , so stick at it Theresa .
so he thinks she is more popular than Thatcher..
wonder why when she called the election she said she would not call this year that she lost her majority then?
and pretty much every poll of the public has shown her popularity as falling since she took over..
then again maybe he whom you quote is in a la la land, alternative universe..
Therersa May did get more votes in the general election than Thatcher ever got so there is a case there that she is more popular having gained more votes. Theresa May also got more votes in the general election than Tony Blair ever got too.
If anyone's popularity is going down its Corbyn's. Since the general election his popularity in the polls has been on a steady downward spiral, Labour are only 3 points in front of the tories in the polls now, even Blair admits that Labour need to be 15 to 20 points clear to win a general election. Peak Jezza was reached at the general election but now the public have seen that his promise to cancel student debt was abandoned 5 minutes after the election and those Labour supporters who support Brexit can see that Labour are out to sabotage Brexit, support for Corbyn is only going one way and that's down.
Direct question to you..
will you totally condemn people who wear the regalia of the Nazi's and the KKK..?
What on earth has that got to do with anything on this thread?
Your failure to address any of the points I raised shows that you don't have any answers in reply and that you have conceded defeat. Instead you're trying a ridiculous bait and switch tactic but it won't work. Labour can't win a general election, Corbyn continues to praise oppressive and brutal regime's like that of Venezuela and the vile anti semitism that exists in the Labour party is still as rife now as it ever was since Corbyn and his far left Momentum mob wrestled power from the centre left of Labour. The public have become wise to it and Labour under Corbyn are finished. "i am asking it as i want to know if someone who claims to be proud to be British as you have done in the past will openly condemn the wearing of Nazi and KKK regalia by certain groups..? its a simple question.. will you condemn them..? for the record i condemn antisemitism and glad that you do also, one would think you are opposed to those who celebrate the holocaust and what the Nazi's did..? | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty .
Its £8.6bn but the EU also pays £1bn of your foreign aid. Your net figure also doesnt include money going to the British private sector which is a further £1bn. So the real figure is £6.6bn per year.
For that money the UK economy doesnt have to pay £4.5bn in import duties it would otherwise have to pay for exporting to the EU.
The added cost of customs checks to deal with EU trade will be £.25bn per year.
The additional costs of compliance for companies who wish to export to the EU as a foreign state could be up to £1bn per year.
The British consumer goods sector is estimated to lose out on £5.2 bn in export revenue. (Spanish, French and Greek consumers dont want to pay extra for an ironing board just because it was made in Britain). The car sector is estimated to lose £7.9bn. In fact the Baker McKenzie report says that British business could lose up to £17bn per year.
The British people would face spending up to an extra £3.8bn in food imports per year with no deal.
The UK will also lose 120+ trade agreements with other countries that have been done through the EU. The UK will end up with worse deals here because its a smaller market than the EU and size matters. No one knows yet how many billions this could cost.
And you know full well that I and many others have explained to you repeatedly in various ways what you get for money you pay to the EU. And just for reference that £6.6bn is 0.8% of the UKs budget. And thats not a typo, zero point eight per cent. Thats what youve thrown away the countries economic stability for. Luckily most UK residents do not take such a gloomy m or pessimistic view . The car industry are not too concerned and Tim Martin of Wethespoons stated that there will be marginal savings in the price of food in his restaurants once we leave. If there is any validity to the reports which you quote I would have thought that the time to present such information would have been prior to the referendum, not afterwards.
Most people would regard £9 billion as a very substantial sum of money and the % age basis only becomes relevant if the amounts involved were small. When people quote percentages such as these I always think that it smacks of desperation. It is a bit like someone quoting a cost per week when trying to sell a product, they are simply either hiding the true cost or afraid to state it.
Investors have already made their assessment on the impact of Brexit. My sentiments lie with their overall assessment .
Despite all the various comments on these forums all countries will continue to work together as the German Car industry needs us as much as we need them.
Most UK residents will have no overall interest in the losses or gains but will simply want the government to complete the task that they were elected to do.
Luckily for us , Theressa May is doing a sterling job and both her and her team will deliver what is expected of the current government . No other party can come close to the support that she has. The recent election results proved this .
Luckily for everyone what we say or hear on these forums is irrelevant. What matters is what the government deliver and at what cost . The EU is as dependent on us as were are on them . Some of the stories about the EU wanting to punish us is simply scare mongering.
You really don't get it do you?
Your ears full of sand from burying your head so deep you refuse to accept what's going to happen..
Fuck me m8, the PM is doing a sterling job!!!
Totally in La La land with such imaginings..
Clearly your opinion is different . All you need to do now is persuade a sufficient percentage of the electorate to agree with you. I am happy to support a democratically elected government.
Not even her own cabinet support her..
They and we are stuck with a weak leader because to remove her now may push us into another election and the Tories are petrified of that..
More head in the sand rhetoric.. Having already won two elelections recently I cannot see the party being afraid of another . If anything lessons will have been learned from the last campaign.
The dementia campaign issue was probably indicative of the fact that people do not like having to pay for the services which we receive . It was a noble jesture to try and resolve one of the biggest problems which the country faces in the future . ( namely care of the elderly). To date no party has suggested a better alternative .
I personally regard her as a great leader who is quietly getting the job done without making a big fuss over it . ( one of life's achievers).
Any cabinet will have ministers who may not support their leader . You simply work around these issues.
What is a head in the sand approach to you is of course a highly realistic approach to others .
I would of course have to reassess my appraisal if a different party were elected .
Look at the numbers, the actual data and the story is of a less popular party from 2015 to 2017..
no majority..
lost 13 seats and Labour gained 30..
% of vote increased but by less than 6%, Labours increased by 9.6%..
yes still more seats but look at the direction of travel..
that you think its all fine at Tory head office is so out of step with what the Tory party thinks at present..
maybe they should have you as a spokesperson..?
Hi . Your analysis is all very interesting information but the only result that actually matters is the vote cast and result returned on election day .
Tony Blair ( a man who knows about winning elections ) states that Labour shold be 15 -20 points ahead in the polls by now if they are to be in with a chance of winning .
An article by Kenneth Baker in todays Daily Telegraph is an excellent summary of her performance and I quote .
The Prime Minister has already shown that she can should a lot of vituperation , belittling and riting off . She has also shown a determined , indeed dogged , and upright resolution . As a vicars daugher she puts her sense of duty before her own peace of mind . The public recognise that , and as such she is the partys most popular leader .The public has also come to realise that Europe is bullying us and that Mrs May is well able to stand up to bullies . The public , as usual, is right , so stick at it Theresa .
so he thinks she is more popular than Thatcher..
wonder why when she called the election she said she would not call this year that she lost her majority then?
and pretty much every poll of the public has shown her popularity as falling since she took over..
then again maybe he whom you quote is in a la la land, alternative universe..
Therersa May did get more votes in the general election than Thatcher ever got so there is a case there that she is more popular having gained more votes. Theresa May also got more votes in the general election than Tony Blair ever got too.
If anyone's popularity is going down its Corbyn's. Since the general election his popularity in the polls has been on a steady downward spiral, Labour are only 3 points in front of the tories in the polls now, even Blair admits that Labour need to be 15 to 20 points clear to win a general election. Peak Jezza was reached at the general election but now the public have seen that his promise to cancel student debt was abandoned 5 minutes after the election and those Labour supporters who support Brexit can see that Labour are out to sabotage Brexit, support for Corbyn is only going one way and that's down.
Direct question to you..
will you totally condemn people who wear the regalia of the Nazi's and the KKK..?
What on earth has that got to do with anything on this thread?
Your failure to address any of the points I raised shows that you don't have any answers in reply and that you have conceded defeat. Instead you're trying a ridiculous bait and switch tactic but it won't work. Labour can't win a general election, Corbyn continues to praise oppressive and brutal regime's like that of Venezuela and the vile anti semitism that exists in the Labour party is still as rife now as it ever was since Corbyn and his far left Momentum mob wrestled power from the centre left of Labour. The public have become wise to it and Labour under Corbyn are finished. "Oh really? Don't UKIP believe in the existence of the Kallergi plan? | |||
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"Interesting as your post was I did not analyse it in too much detail as it only appeared to refer to potential savings ( when referring to import / export duties ) but did not capture the other side of the coin ( namely loss of duty revenues collectable ) . From what would appear to be an independent source We don't take sides in any debate and don't support any political party or campaign. We've been quoted by politicians on all sides and corrected people on all sides. We have a cross-party Board of Trustees and safeguards in place at every level of our organisation to ensure our neutrality. In 2016 the UK government paid £13.1 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4.5 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at about £8.6 billion. Each year the UK gets a discount on its contributions to the EU—the ‘rebate’—worth almost £4 billion last year. Without it the UK would have been liable for £17 billion in contributions. A membership fee isn’t the same as the economic cost or benefit Being in the EU costs money but does it also create trade, jobs and investment that are worth more? We can be pretty sure about how much cash we put in, but it’s far harder to be sure about how much, if anything, comes back in economic benefits. The above organisation recognise that it is difficult to quantify what we get back ( if anything ) Well you were quoting Timmy from Weatherspoons and his plan is to unilaterly drop import duties, so are you backing that plan or not? If you are backing it then the UK government stands to gain zero in import duties. If you arent backing it then the cost of living is going to increase massively for people, so either way youre in a bad situation. That source is correct on the figure being £8.6bn (which is exactly what I said it was) but if youre quoting from the organisation I think you are then youve selectively quoted them because they nake clear that the foreign aid and EU money to private british business counts for a billion each. That beings the total down to £6.6bn." . It was my understanding that we were trying to quantify what we get for our current contribution ( not what the impact would be in future ) . The summary which you list appears to only take into account potential savings on paying duties but simply ignores the loss of revenue on duties that we would collect . Interesting as the information may be it does not explain what we get for our contribution . ( and more to the point how do we justify other counties being net beneficaries ) | |||
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"Interesting as your post was I did not analyse it in too much detail as it only appeared to refer to potential savings ( when referring to import / export duties ) but did not capture the other side of the coin ( namely loss of duty revenues collectable ) . From what would appear to be an independent source We don't take sides in any debate and don't support any political party or campaign. We've been quoted by politicians on all sides and corrected people on all sides. We have a cross-party Board of Trustees and safeguards in place at every level of our organisation to ensure our neutrality. In 2016 the UK government paid £13.1 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4.5 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at about £8.6 billion. Each year the UK gets a discount on its contributions to the EU—the ‘rebate’—worth almost £4 billion last year. Without it the UK would have been liable for £17 billion in contributions. A membership fee isn’t the same as the economic cost or benefit Being in the EU costs money but does it also create trade, jobs and investment that are worth more? We can be pretty sure about how much cash we put in, but it’s far harder to be sure about how much, if anything, comes back in economic benefits. The above organisation recognise that it is difficult to quantify what we get back ( if anything ) Well you were quoting Timmy from Weatherspoons and his plan is to unilaterly drop import duties, so are you backing that plan or not? If you are backing it then the UK government stands to gain zero in import duties. If you arent backing it then the cost of living is going to increase massively for people, so either way youre in a bad situation. That source is correct on the figure being £8.6bn (which is exactly what I said it was) but if youre quoting from the organisation I think you are then youve selectively quoted them because they nake clear that the foreign aid and EU money to private british business counts for a billion each. That beings the total down to £6.6bn.. It was my understanding that we were trying to quantify what we get for our current contribution ( not what the impact would be in future ) . The summary which you list appears to only take into account potential savings on paying duties but simply ignores the loss of revenue on duties that we would collect . Interesting as the information may be it does not explain what we get for our contribution . ( and more to the point how do we justify other counties being net beneficaries ) " For the sake of 6.6bn companies, government and consumers benefit hugely from membership. The benefits have all been listed from decreased aviation costs, the lower cost of living, the lower cost to exporting companies by a unified set of standards, cooperation on law and order and terrorism, the better international deals the EU gets negotiating as a bloc rather than 28 individuals. The money paid into the EU is worth it for the benefits you get by being a member. Other states being net beneficiaries builds a stronger EU economy and allows them to build long term projects that will get them to the point where they become net contributors as well as increasing the potential sales for exporting countries like the UK. And the UK is the third smallest net contributor per capita. Netherlands, France, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Austria all contributing more per capita with Ireland and Italy increasing their contributions. Brunel University did a study that found that the UKs economy increased 23% since EU membership compared to what it would have been. France, Germany and Italy were growing at twice the rate of the UK before the UK joined the EU and only on joining did the UK start to catch up. | |||
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"If England and Wales wants to leave the EU be my guest i mean the majority in England and Wales voted to leave i have to respect that But Scotland and N.Ireland didnt vote to leave the EU and that has to be respected. Now Scotland has a legal mandate to have a independence referendum when the final brexit deal is known to let the Scottish people decide if we agree to brexit or would rather Scotland be independence and therefore breaking the UK apart. It would not be wise of Westminster to block a mandate given to the Scottish government by the people of Scotland. Also lets just say Westminster did block an independence referendum there is nothign stopping Scotland holding an advistory referendum just like the EU referendum was. And if it comes back in favour of independence what next is the UK PM gonna send in the troops to beat the shit of Scottish people lol You might as well give a legal binding independence referendum when the final brexit deal is known i mean whats to fear after all i keep hearing the majority doesnt want independence then let the Scottish people decide then things have changed since 2014 and democracy is not an event Oh brexit is one hell of a mess and am glad Scotland has a way out " *** And if it comes back in favour of independence what next is the UK PM gonna send in the troops to beat the shit of Scottish people lol *** Why not, that's what they have done with Catalonia and you don't see the UK Government interfering!!!! Majority of UK turn a blind eye too, everyone still jets off to Spain or the canarie islands to fuel the Spanish economy | |||
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"Time for English Independance
I've not said it for a while "Then fight for it then. Not good just talking about it get onto your MP and tell them you want an English independence referendum get enough backing for it | |||
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"Time for English Independance
I've not said it for a while
Then fight for it then. Not good just talking about it get onto your MP and tell them you want an English independence referendum get enough backing for it
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"Time for English Independance
I've not said it for a while
Then fight for it then. Not good just talking about it get onto your MP and tell them you want an English independence referendum get enough backing for it
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"Time for English Independance
I've not said it for a while
Then fight for it then. Not good just talking about it get onto your MP and tell them you want an English independence referendum get enough backing for it
I've got a Labour M P the Best chance is if the Scots break off "And still there is nothing stopping you from going to your MP Hell even start a petition if you feel that much about want a English independence referendum While your at it you could also fight for England to actually have a parliament and a national anthem Must feel like shit not to have a parilament of your own and no national anthem I mean some people could say no it is England's national anthem so why then force Scotland , Wales and N.Ireland to sing an English national anthem | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal? Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now !
We're been black mailed !
Nobodies black mailing anyone.
The UK wants to negotiate an exit from legal agreements. They have the option of walking away completely with no penalty (an option you or I wont get with most of our legal agreements) or they could negotiate a different deal. It just so happens that walking away with nothing will ruin your economy.
So now theres a vocal group of people crying about the fact that they cant get everything they want the way they want it. Brexiters are just spoiled brats who dont understand that they cant snap their fingers and get handed the world on a plate.
The only ones crying are remoaners who still can't come to terms with the fact they lost the referendum......and Donald Tusk he looks like he's about to burst into tears every time he talks about Brexit, lol. Oh and spoiled brats, remoaners fit the bill on that count too, they have done nothing but behave like spoiled brats every single day since the referendum result was announced, having temper tantrums, bitching, moaning and wailing and knashing their teeth as it becomes ever more clear to them with each passing day that we are in fact leaving. Remoaners are the real spoiled brats, the haughty self styled highly educated full of their own self importance who have thrown the biggest hissy fit in history since the referendum because they can't get their own way.
We've all come to terms with it. Explaining why it was a bad decision isnt whining, its honest assessment of the situation. Discussing how poorly the Tories are handling it is discussion of the matter at hand. Complaining that the EU is mean for not giving Davis and May whatever it wants is whining.
See the people who think Brexit is going badly arent the ones living in a fantasyland. Brexiters live in a fantasy land where Davis gets humiliated when he waves the white flag at the very start of the negotiations and agrees to sequencing and then pretend its a victory like The Sun did. And theyre in a fantasy when they write reports of how post Brexit Britain will be a land of milk and honey but bury the fact that they need the EU to give them free trade and completely upend their tarrif schedule in order to make that happen.
If Brexiters werent whining then they'd accept that the UK is on the backfoot for these negotiations (its why theyve lost every point so far) and that they need the EU to survive. And they need to accept that every nation knows the UK is desperate to replicate the 120+ trade deals with 66 different countries just to stand still. That means every country has the advantage over the UK in every negotiation....oh and at best the UK has 3 years and 4 months to fully implement these deals.BULLSHIT"That just looks like you are unable to engage in the level of intelligent communication and debate that others are respectful to contribute. | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On "The elephant in the room here is what you find out when you actually talk to Brexiters 1:1 and you find out that a staggeringly high percentage of them not only don't care about the economic consequences of Brexit - they actually want and will embrace a chaotic and disorderly exit. They want to create upset and cause mayhem because they want to change what has conventionally been considered normal and middle of the road. The glib comments about not worrying and everything will be OK are just a smokescreen. They actually want and hope for chaos and upheaval so that the so-called and hated "Metropolitan Liberal Elite" might suffer. | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
The elephant in the room here is what you find out when you actually talk to SOME Brexiters 1:1 and you find out that a staggeringly high percentage of them not only don't care about the economic consequences of Brexit - they actually want and will embrace a chaotic and disorderly exit. They want to create upset and cause mayhem because they want to change what has conventionally been considered normal and middle of the road.
The glib comments about not worrying and everything will be OK are just a smokescreen. They actually want and hope for chaos and upheaval so that the so-called and hated "Metropolitan Liberal Elite" might suffer."FTFY! | |||
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"Time for English Independance
I've not said it for a while
Then fight for it then. Not good just talking about it get onto your MP and tell them you want an English independence referendum get enough backing for it
I've got a Labour M P the Best chance is if the Scots break off
And still there is nothing stopping you from going to your MP
Hell even start a petition if you feel that much about want a English independence referendum
While your at it you could also fight for England to actually have a parliament and a national anthem
Must feel like shit not to have a parilament of your own and no national anthem
I mean some people could say no it is England's national anthem so why then force Scotland , Wales and N.Ireland to sing an English national anthem
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"Brexit is simply a manifestation of the hate and anger that some white elderly men ( those are the primary demographics of brexit voters, go check the figures) feel. No good will come of brexit, and they don't care." And the rest of us Brexiteers? | |||
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"Brexit is simply a manifestation of the hate and anger that some white elderly men ( those are the primary demographics of brexit voters, go check the figures) feel. No good will come of brexit, and they don't care. And the rest of us Brexiteers?" Lied to by the media, not fully informed of the realities and angry. That probably covers the rest of the demographic No good will come of brexit | |||
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"Interestingly there was a programme on C4 last night. 2 leave voters who run a recruitment agency. 98% of their workforce are eastern Europeans. They now can't get staff and the business could close as they cannot get English staff. One regrets her vote the other doesn't. " Many will regret it, especially once the economic effects kick in, but it will be difficult for them to come out and say it, as that means accepting they got it wrong. Instead you see some retreating to a more extreme angry position. It's all rather sad and avoidable. | |||
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"I'll just leave this here Fascism arrives as your friend. It will restore your honour, make you feel proud, protect your house, give you a job, clean up the neighbourhood, remind you of how great you once were, clear out the venal and the corrupt, remove anything you feel is unlike you... It doesn't walk in saying, "Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution."" this.. for some its what they strive for and for others less so.. | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal? Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now !
We're been black mailed !
Nobodies black mailing anyone.
The UK wants to negotiate an exit from legal agreements. They have the option of walking away completely with no penalty (an option you or I wont get with most of our legal agreements) or they could negotiate a different deal. It just so happens that walking away with nothing will ruin your economy.
So now theres a vocal group of people crying about the fact that they cant get everything they want the way they want it. Brexiters are just spoiled brats who dont understand that they cant snap their fingers and get handed the world on a plate. wow spoilt brats lol are we traitors racists Jeremy Kyle watchers aswell ? It's unreal the amount of abuse the leave voters get on here wtffffff . "It seems there is no respect for democracy. The country apparently enjoyed its biggest ever turn-out for a vote and the majority of people voted to leave. Yet instead of the democratic will of the people being respected, we already hear of plans for a second referendum. Perhaps it is only democratic when you get what you want? As for ruining the economy, too many people listen to the scaremongers. Yes, the EU is the probably our largest trading bloc, but we do more trade with the rest of the English speaking world than we do with that bloc. However, politics aside, governments don’t trade, companies do. If the EU decides to introduce cross-border tariffs and delay trade, it is likely to cause more problems for European companies, purely because of we buy more from them than they buy from us. Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the US of A are all lining up to do trade deals with us once we have left. So please explain how leaving the EU will ruin our economy without just paraphrasing noises uttered by those with no confidence in our nation. | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal? Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now !
We're been black mailed !
Nobodies black mailing anyone.
The UK wants to negotiate an exit from legal agreements. They have the option of walking away completely with no penalty (an option you or I wont get with most of our legal agreements) or they could negotiate a different deal. It just so happens that walking away with nothing will ruin your economy.
So now theres a vocal group of people crying about the fact that they cant get everything they want the way they want it. Brexiters are just spoiled brats who dont understand that they cant snap their fingers and get handed the world on a plate. wow spoilt brats lol are we traitors racists Jeremy Kyle watchers aswell ? It's unreal the amount of abuse the leave voters get on here wtffffff .
It seems there is no respect for democracy. The country apparently enjoyed its biggest ever turn-out for a vote and the majority of people voted to leave.
Yet instead of the democratic will of the people being respected, we already hear of plans for a second referendum. Perhaps it is only democratic when you get what you want?
As for ruining the economy, too many people listen to the scaremongers. Yes, the EU is the probably our largest trading bloc, but we do more trade with the rest of the English speaking world than we do with that bloc. However, politics aside, governments don’t trade, companies do. If the EU decides to introduce cross-border tariffs and delay trade, it is likely to cause more problems for European companies, purely because of we buy more from them than they buy from us. Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the US of A are all lining up to do trade deals with us once we have left. So please explain how leaving the EU will ruin our economy without just paraphrasing noises uttered by those with no confidence in our nation. "Oh my god I’ve heard it all now | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal? Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now !
We're been black mailed !
Nobodies black mailing anyone.
The UK wants to negotiate an exit from legal agreements. They have the option of walking away completely with no penalty (an option you or I wont get with most of our legal agreements) or they could negotiate a different deal. It just so happens that walking away with nothing will ruin your economy.
So now theres a vocal group of people crying about the fact that they cant get everything they want the way they want it. Brexiters are just spoiled brats who dont understand that they cant snap their fingers and get handed the world on a plate. wow spoilt brats lol are we traitors racists Jeremy Kyle watchers aswell ? It's unreal the amount of abuse the leave voters get on here wtffffff .
It seems there is no respect for democracy. The country apparently enjoyed its biggest ever turn-out for a vote and the majority of people voted to leave.
Yet instead of the democratic will of the people being respected, we already hear of plans for a second referendum. Perhaps it is only democratic when you get what you want?
As for ruining the economy, too many people listen to the scaremongers. Yes, the EU is the probably our largest trading bloc, but we do more trade with the rest of the English speaking world than we do with that bloc. However, politics aside, governments don’t trade, companies do. If the EU decides to introduce cross-border tariffs and delay trade, it is likely to cause more problems for European companies, purely because of we buy more from them than they buy from us. Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the US of A are all lining up to do trade deals with us once we have left. So please explain how leaving the EU will ruin our economy without just paraphrasing noises uttered by those with no confidence in our nation. "You obvious haven't the slightest on how deal deals are formulated  | |||
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"Time for English Independance
I've not said it for a while
Then fight for it then. Not good just talking about it get onto your MP and tell them you want an English independence referendum get enough backing for it
I've got a Labour M P the Best chance is if the Scots break off
And still there is nothing stopping you from going to your MP
Hell even start a petition if you feel that much about want a English independence referendum
While your at it you could also fight for England to actually have a parliament and a national anthem
Must feel like shit not to have a parilament of your own and no national anthem
I mean some people could say no it is England's national anthem so why then force Scotland , Wales and N.Ireland to sing an English national anthem
"I'd love our own Anthem I don't regard God Save the Queen as a man English Anthem , for me it's Land of Hope And Glory .
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"Time for English Independance
I've not said it for a while
Then fight for it then. Not good just talking about it get onto your MP and tell them you want an English independence referendum get enough backing for it
I've got a Labour M P the Best chance is if the Scots break off
And still there is nothing stopping you from going to your MP
Hell even start a petition if you feel that much about want a English independence referendum
While your at it you could also fight for England to actually have a parliament and a national anthem
Must feel like shit not to have a parilament of your own and no national anthem
I mean some people could say no it is England's national anthem so why then force Scotland , Wales and N.Ireland to sing an English national anthem
I'd love our own Anthem I don't regard God Save the Queen as a man English Anthem , for me it's Land of Hope And Glory .
Wales and Scotland have thier own at Sporting events . Northern Ireland choose to song God Save the Queen !"Wiki states Land of Hope and Glory, Jerusalem, or Rule Brittania are sometimes opted for. | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal? Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now !
We're been black mailed !
Nobodies black mailing anyone.
The UK wants to negotiate an exit from legal agreements. They have the option of walking away completely with no penalty (an option you or I wont get with most of our legal agreements) or they could negotiate a different deal. It just so happens that walking away with nothing will ruin your economy.
So now theres a vocal group of people crying about the fact that they cant get everything they want the way they want it. Brexiters are just spoiled brats who dont understand that they cant snap their fingers and get handed the world on a plate. wow spoilt brats lol are we traitors racists Jeremy Kyle watchers aswell ? It's unreal the amount of abuse the leave voters get on here wtffffff .
It seems there is no respect for democracy. The country apparently enjoyed its biggest ever turn-out for a vote and the majority of people voted to leave.
Yet instead of the democratic will of the people being respected, we already hear of plans for a second referendum. Perhaps it is only democratic when you get what you want?
As for ruining the economy, too many people listen to the scaremongers. Yes, the EU is the probably our largest trading bloc, but we do more trade with the rest of the English speaking world than we do with that bloc. However, politics aside, governments don’t trade, companies do. If the EU decides to introduce cross-border tariffs and delay trade, it is likely to cause more problems for European companies, purely because of we buy more from them than they buy from us. Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the US of A are all lining up to do trade deals with us once we have left. So please explain how leaving the EU will ruin our economy without just paraphrasing noises uttered by those with no confidence in our nation. "Its funny how the brexiters all parrot the same lines, the same lines that we see in the right wing papers. It really demonstrates how powerful the media can be and how skewed peoples views are when theyre repeatedly exposed to bad information. 1. The EU is 48% of all UK trade. Considering Asia, South America, Africa and South America dont contain any English speaking countries its fair to say that EU trade dwarfs the rest of the English speaking world. 2. A potential second referendum does not undercut democratic values. The first vote was non binding, lacked a full view of what people were actually voting for, full of disinformation and was being manipulated by enemy foreign powers. The only people who dont want the 2nd referendum are those who want Brexit and know Brexit wouldnt win this time. The view of the public has changed and you dont want to accept this. 3. The EU does almost 4.5 times the trade with the UK than the UKs next biggest trading partner. It does 3 times as much as the US and China COMBINED. Does that give you an idea of the scale of trade youre risking with Brexit? 4. The UK is 8% of the EUs trade. The EU is 48% of the UKs trade. Do you see how ludicrous it is that you claim the EU will be worse off? EU producers and companies dont care in the slightest about hard Brexit because overall they'll gain by taking the customers UK companies lose and the UK has to continue buying from the EU because youre not self sufficient. For example the French farmers asaociation and German car manufacturers association have been 2 of the most vocal on giving the UK as tough a deal as possible. 5. Other countries arent queuing up to do deals. Everyone says they'll do a deal but of course theu will, they want to sell products and services to you ao why wouldnt they say that at this stage? No one is actually impressed with this if they have any knowledge of the situation. The fact is that, through the EU, the UK has 120+ international trade deals and once you leave the EU they all go. All those deals will have to be renegotiated and they'll be worse terms for the UK because youre a smaller market than the EU+UK was. And you have at most 3 years to rengotiate all those deals, AND all the countries know the UK is desperate to make a deal and will take advantage of that AND even if you negotiated all 120 deals AND passed them into law and implemented them in time the UK would still be in a far worse position because they'll have a worse deal with the EU and every other country. 6. Theres also the prospect of 100,000s of jobs leaving the UK over the next 3 years because companies arent going to pay tens of millions on tax every year and endure red tape needlessly just to work in England. 7. Construction and the car industry are already in recession. 8. If unemployment rises so do social payments and if employment is lower and companies move taxable income to the EU there would be a hit of tens of billions to the exchequer. And my final point: you cant refute that Brexit is going to be terrible for the economy because we all see the facts. Brexiters before have tried to pass off the argument that somehow the UK will get better deals than they got in the EU but no one can give any reason why that might be true. Many of the nations that you want to do deals with like the US and Brazil have already put a complaint in to the WTO to demand that the UK accepts more of their products when Brexit occurs with the UK getting nothing in return. The rest of the world is going to hammer the UK in negotiations and the UK is going to find out exactly what its like in the modern world when youre alone and in need. | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal? Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now !
We're been black mailed !
Nobodies black mailing anyone.
The UK wants to negotiate an exit from legal agreements. They have the option of walking away completely with no penalty (an option you or I wont get with most of our legal agreements) or they could negotiate a different deal. It just so happens that walking away with nothing will ruin your economy.
So now theres a vocal group of people crying about the fact that they cant get everything they want the way they want it. Brexiters are just spoiled brats who dont understand that they cant snap their fingers and get handed the world on a plate. wow spoilt brats lol are we traitors racists Jeremy Kyle watchers aswell ? It's unreal the amount of abuse the leave voters get on here wtffffff .
It seems there is no respect for democracy. The country apparently enjoyed its biggest ever turn-out for a vote and the majority of people voted to leave.
Yet instead of the democratic will of the people being respected, we already hear of plans for a second referendum. Perhaps it is only democratic when you get what you want?
As for ruining the economy, too many people listen to the scaremongers. Yes, the EU is the probably our largest trading bloc, but we do more trade with the rest of the English speaking world than we do with that bloc. However, politics aside, governments don’t trade, companies do. If the EU decides to introduce cross-border tariffs and delay trade, it is likely to cause more problems for European companies, purely because of we buy more from them than they buy from us. Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the US of A are all lining up to do trade deals with us once we have left. So please explain how leaving the EU will ruin our economy without just paraphrasing noises uttered by those with no confidence in our nation.
Oh my god I’ve heard it all now "Actually there was a slim majority to leave 1m people or just under 4%! Yes a win none the less. Given that Farage said he wouldn't accept that result of it was the other way around you shouldn't be suprised that some are not happy. Of those who were eligible to vote 57% voted. Of those 57% there was a 4% majority in favour of leaving. That majority represents 37% of the population so here lies the problem. The referendum was only advisory which caused even more resentment. So we had a poorly organised referendum, with no checks or balances, which produced a close result which unfortunately will never unify the UK. | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal? Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now !
We're been black mailed !
Nobodies black mailing anyone.
The UK wants to negotiate an exit from legal agreements. They have the option of walking away completely with no penalty (an option you or I wont get with most of our legal agreements) or they could negotiate a different deal. It just so happens that walking away with nothing will ruin your economy.
So now theres a vocal group of people crying about the fact that they cant get everything they want the way they want it. Brexiters are just spoiled brats who dont understand that they cant snap their fingers and get handed the world on a plate. wow spoilt brats lol are we traitors racists Jeremy Kyle watchers aswell ? It's unreal the amount of abuse the leave voters get on here wtffffff .
It seems there is no respect for democracy. The country apparently enjoyed its biggest ever turn-out for a vote and the majority of people voted to leave.
Yet instead of the democratic will of the people being respected, we already hear of plans for a second referendum. Perhaps it is only democratic when you get what you want?
As for ruining the economy, too many people listen to the scaremongers. Yes, the EU is the probably our largest trading bloc, but we do more trade with the rest of the English speaking world than we do with that bloc. However, politics aside, governments don’t trade, companies do. If the EU decides to introduce cross-border tariffs and delay trade, it is likely to cause more problems for European companies, purely because of we buy more from them than they buy from us. Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the US of A are all lining up to do trade deals with us once we have left. So please explain how leaving the EU will ruin our economy without just paraphrasing noises uttered by those with no confidence in our nation. ". . An excellent post . Once we have left the EU the only difference will be that we trade on slightly different terms . A few tweaks to duties are hardly going to destroy our economy . The reality is that the EU produces nothing and is simply a vast administration body . I prefer to take m advice from those that actually run business or invest money . The exceptionally strong performance of the UK stock exchange is a clear live real time indication of investors confidence in the future of the UK . However we must also take into account the opinions of smaller private companies . One large manufacturing business believes that Brexit has added 3% to their production costs . These costs do of course have to be offset against the very favourable movement in exchange rates for exporters . Another large engineering business based near the Irish border has no concerns either ( it is simply a case of swings and roundabouts ) The comments of the chairman of a bicycle summarise the current scenario perfectly . To quote " If Britain left the European Union without a trade deal which would see exports to the Continent face tariffs of 10% under wto rules firms would be able to Cope . The debate about Brexit is massively over - rated and half of the problem is we are spending so much time debating it that we are creating a momentum of fear . The company are used to dealing with 30% tariffs in China and steep duties in nations such as Japan and this is just a normal part of exporting . For businesses which are small a change in 10% for WTO rules is virtually irrelevant . What will make a difference for a business succeeding or failing is its staff , its vision and its ambition . I do not see Brexit as being a massive disaster . Personally , I am rather sad we are leaving but , crucially , we will get on " | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal? Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now !
We're been black mailed !
Nobodies black mailing anyone.
The UK wants to negotiate an exit from legal agreements. They have the option of walking away completely with no penalty (an option you or I wont get with most of our legal agreements) or they could negotiate a different deal. It just so happens that walking away with nothing will ruin your economy.
So now theres a vocal group of people crying about the fact that they cant get everything they want the way they want it. Brexiters are just spoiled brats who dont understand that they cant snap their fingers and get handed the world on a plate. wow spoilt brats lol are we traitors racists Jeremy Kyle watchers aswell ? It's unreal the amount of abuse the leave voters get on here wtffffff .
It seems there is no respect for democracy. The country apparently enjoyed its biggest ever turn-out for a vote and the majority of people voted to leave.
Yet instead of the democratic will of the people being respected, we already hear of plans for a second referendum. Perhaps it is only democratic when you get what you want?
As for ruining the economy, too many people listen to the scaremongers. Yes, the EU is the probably our largest trading bloc, but we do more trade with the rest of the English speaking world than we do with that bloc. However, politics aside, governments don’t trade, companies do. If the EU decides to introduce cross-border tariffs and delay trade, it is likely to cause more problems for European companies, purely because of we buy more from them than they buy from us. Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the US of A are all lining up to do trade deals with us once we have left. So please explain how leaving the EU will ruin our economy without just paraphrasing noises uttered by those with no confidence in our nation.
You obvious haven't the slightest on how deal deals are formulated "You obviously haven’t the faintest how to construct a sentence let alone an argument. | |||
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"The chanting of "Everything will be fine, honest" isn't very fucking compelling." I'm not saying it will be easy ! But I think we just need to do it ! | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
I think so, manufacturers in the eu want to trade with us.
A lot of German cars come here for example, so they should apply pressure on junker and his cronies too"If you read my post or had the faintest idea of what waa going on you'd know that the German csr manufacturers association IS pressuring the EU through the German government on Brexit. Ita just that theyre pressuring Germany to go for a hard Brexit deal that will fuck the UK so bad that no other EU country wants to leave. You need to underatand this simple fact: The vast majority of companies dont give one solitary f*ck about lost customers in the UK because 1. UK customers will just have to eat the tarriffs because the UK cant be self sufficient. 2. EU manufacturers will be the ones who replace UK exporters and get additional sale. | |||
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" An excellent post . Once we have left the EU the only difference will be that we trade on slightly different terms . A few tweaks to duties are hardly going to destroy our economy . The reality is that the EU produces nothing and is simply a vast administration body . I prefer to take m advice from those that actually run business or invest money . The exceptionally strong performance of the UK stock exchange is a clear live real time indication of investors confidence in the future of the UK . However we must also take into account the opinions of smaller private companies . One large manufacturing business believes that Brexit has added 3% to their production costs . These costs do of course have to be offset against the very favourable movement in exchange rates for exporters . Another large engineering business based near the Irish border has no concerns either ( it is simply a case of swings and roundabouts ) The comments of the chairman of a bicycle summarise the current scenario perfectly . To quote " If Britain left the European Union without a trade deal which would see exports to the Continent face tariffs of 10% under wto rules firms would be able to Cope . The debate about Brexit is massively over - rated and half of the problem is we are spending so much time debating it that we are creating a momentum of fear . The company are used to dealing with 30% tariffs in China and steep duties in nations such as Japan and this is just a normal part of exporting . For businesses which are small a change in 10% for WTO rules is virtually irrelevant . What will make a difference for a business succeeding or failing is its staff , its vision and its ambition . I do not see Brexit as being a massive disaster . Personally , I am rather sad we are leaving but , crucially , we will get on " " Explain something to me if you can. At the moment a steak in the French supermarket Carrefour costs €5.25 whether thats French, British, Irish or German beef. If the UK adopts WTO rules Carrefour has the option of increasing its costs to continue getting British beef (26% increase) or it can avoid an increase in costs by sourcing more from the 27 countries in the EU or the 66 other countries that have trade deals with the EU. Why would Carrefour buy the British Beef at a 26% premium? The average markup for supermarkets on beef is 13.11%. It would not only obliterate the supermarkets profits but actually make them a loss. Or do you expect that the French love British beef so much that they'll pay an extra €1.37 for a British steak? Or do you think in the infamously tight market of food production that theres a way to cut costs by 26% that no ones bothered to do for some reason? If you go on WTO rules thats the reality facing every British exporter in the country. Not to mention that you have no trade quotas to use with the EU at all. Zero. And its also not forgetting that farmers will lose all those EU subsidies which will push their costs even higher. If you go on WTO tariffs there will be NINETY THREE countries ahead of you in terms of trade with the EU. So please, please, explain what the British beef industry is going to do when it has no subsidies, no quotas and has to find a way to mitigate a 26% tariff because I, and many others on here, would love to hear it. | |||
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"I have a funny feeling the whole premise for majority of the leave vote ( not necessarily the leave campaign) was along the lines of this: We take back Britain for Brits. We take back the jobs in Britain for Brits. We take back the welfare benefits/ social housing/ free NHS/ schools etc for Brits. The poles/ Romanians/ refugees/ economic migrants/ Nigerians/ Jamaicans/ Pakistanis/ Indians/ Zimbabweans etc are too many here. It was not like that in my time, my father's time etc. Unfortunately or unfortunately, in today's Britain, you CANNOT tell who is or isn't British and what the vast majority of the leave voters or even the remain voters had no idea about was how this whole thing was going to pan out. One question I have never been able to answer is why the referendum was called in the first place. Is there a turning back option? How much money has been spent on this matter? How much more will be spent before it is concluded? How much was the expected savings? Is it looking good or was it much ado about a colossal loss?" that's a whole other thread ... | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
I think so, manufacturers in the eu want to trade with us.
A lot of German cars come here for example, so they should apply pressure on junker and his cronies too
If you read my post or had the faintest idea of what waa going on you'd know that the German csr manufacturers association IS pressuring the EU through the German government on Brexit. Ita just that theyre pressuring Germany to go for a hard Brexit deal that will fuck the UK so bad that no other EU country wants to leave.
You need to underatand this simple fact: The vast majority of companies dont give one solitary f*ck about lost customers in the UK because 1. UK customers will just have to eat the tarriffs because the UK cant be self sufficient. 2. EU manufacturers will be the ones who replace UK exporters and get additional sale."I do not think that any German car retailer will want to damage their operations in the UK. Most people would regard BMW as a very successfull brand and the Chairman of BMW had said that they want full co operation in order to make the manufacturing operation in the UK a continued success. | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
I think so, manufacturers in the eu want to trade with us.
A lot of German cars come here for example, so they should apply pressure on junker and his cronies too
If you read my post or had the faintest idea of what waa going on you'd know that the German csr manufacturers association IS pressuring the EU through the German government on Brexit. Ita just that theyre pressuring Germany to go for a hard Brexit deal that will fuck the UK so bad that no other EU country wants to leave.
You need to underatand this simple fact: The vast majority of companies dont give one solitary f*ck about lost customers in the UK because 1. UK customers will just have to eat the tarriffs because the UK cant be self sufficient. 2. EU manufacturers will be the ones who replace UK exporters and get additional sale. I do not think that any German car retailer will want to damage their operations in the UK. Most people would regard BMW as a very successfull brand and the Chairman of BMW had said that they want full co operation in order to make the manufacturing operation in the UK a continued success. "See, what you think BMW wants is irrelevant. BMW is a part of the VdA which is the German car makers association and they want the UK to get a tough deal because they prioritise their EU customers. They have come out publicly and said so and have lobbied the German government hard to make this happen. And on a point of order, German car manufacturers arent, wont and havent damaged their operations in the UK, the Brexit voters did that. | |||
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" An excellent post . Once we have left the EU the only difference will be that we trade on slightly different terms . A few tweaks to duties are hardly going to destroy our economy . The reality is that the EU produces nothing and is simply a vast administration body . I prefer to take m advice from those that actually run business or invest money . The exceptionally strong performance of the UK stock exchange is a clear live real time indication of investors confidence in the future of the UK . However we must also take into account the opinions of smaller private companies . One large manufacturing business believes that Brexit has added 3% to their production costs . These costs do of course have to be offset against the very favourable movement in exchange rates for exporters . Another large engineering business based near the Irish border has no concerns either ( it is simply a case of swings and roundabouts ) The comments of the chairman of a bicycle summarise the current scenario perfectly . To quote " If Britain left the European Union without a trade deal which would see exports to the Continent face tariffs of 10% under wto rules firms would be able to Cope . The debate about Brexit is massively over - rated and half of the problem is we are spending so much time debating it that we are creating a momentum of fear . The company are used to dealing with 30% tariffs in China and steep duties in nations such as Japan and this is just a normal part of exporting . For businesses which are small a change in 10% for WTO rules is virtually irrelevant . What will make a difference for a business succeeding or failing is its staff , its vision and its ambition . I do not see Brexit as being a massive disaster . Personally , I am rather sad we are leaving but , crucially , we will get on " Explain something to me if you can. At the moment a steak in the French supermarket Carrefour costs €5.25 whether thats French, British, Irish or German beef. If the UK adopts WTO rules Carrefour has the option of increasing its costs to continue getting British beef (26% increase) or it can avoid an increase in costs by sourcing more from the 27 countries in the EU or the 66 other countries that have trade deals with the EU. Why would Carrefour buy the British Beef at a 26% premium? The average markup for supermarkets on beef is 13.11%. It would not only obliterate the supermarkets profits but actually make them a loss. Or do you expect that the French love British beef so much that they'll pay an extra €1.37 for a British steak? Or do you think in the infamously tight market of food production that theres a way to cut costs by 26% that no ones bothered to do for some reason? If you go on WTO rules thats the reality facing every British exporter in the country. Not to mention that you have no trade quotas to use with the EU at all. Zero. And its also not forgetting that farmers will lose all those EU subsidies which will push their costs even higher. If you go on WTO tariffs there will be NINETY THREE countries ahead of you in terms of trade with the EU. So please, please, explain what the British beef industry is going to do when it has no subsidies, no quotas and has to find a way to mitigate a 26% tariff because I, and many others on here, would love to hear it." Hi. It would seem rather pointless to comment unto we know what exactly the various tariff rates ( if any ) will be . Fine tuning of various tariffs is simply a question of swings and roundabouts . For now I will put my faith in Theressa May and her ability to a good deal and one that is considered to be fair to all parties . Once the terms of the deal are announced I will for more than happy to answer your question ( especially as I was someone who spent my childhood on the back of a tractor and have an intense interest in farming ). For now I will simply accept the opinion of another NI based manufacturing business who consider that their future is bright after Brexit . ( a few minor adjustments to duties will have little or no impact ). If we view duties at World level we can simply ignore them as they all cancel out . | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
Leave with what, no deal? Yes that's what I thought when I voted and I believe it more now !
We're been black mailed !
Nobodies black mailing anyone.
The UK wants to negotiate an exit from legal agreements. They have the option of walking away completely with no penalty (an option you or I wont get with most of our legal agreements) or they could negotiate a different deal. It just so happens that walking away with nothing will ruin your economy.
So now theres a vocal group of people crying about the fact that they cant get everything they want the way they want it. Brexiters are just spoiled brats who dont understand that they cant snap their fingers and get handed the world on a plate. wow spoilt brats lol are we traitors racists Jeremy Kyle watchers aswell ? It's unreal the amount of abuse the leave voters get on here wtffffff .
It seems there is no respect for democracy. The country apparently enjoyed its biggest ever turn-out for a vote and the majority of people voted to leave.
Yet instead of the democratic will of the people being respected, we already hear of plans for a second referendum. Perhaps it is only democratic when you get what you want?
As for ruining the economy, too many people listen to the scaremongers. Yes, the EU is the probably our largest trading bloc, but we do more trade with the rest of the English speaking world than we do with that bloc. However, politics aside, governments don’t trade, companies do. If the EU decides to introduce cross-border tariffs and delay trade, it is likely to cause more problems for European companies, purely because of we buy more from them than they buy from us. Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the US of A are all lining up to do trade deals with us once we have left. So please explain how leaving the EU will ruin our economy without just paraphrasing noises uttered by those with no confidence in our nation.
You obvious haven't the slightest on how deal deals are formulated
You obviously haven’t the faintest how to construct a sentence let alone an argument."Maybe so... but you still haven't got a clue on how trade deals work  | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
I think so, manufacturers in the eu want to trade with us.
A lot of German cars come here for example, so they should apply pressure on junker and his cronies too
If you read my post or had the faintest idea of what waa going on you'd know that the German csr manufacturers association IS pressuring the EU through the German government on Brexit. Ita just that theyre pressuring Germany to go for a hard Brexit deal that will fuck the UK so bad that no other EU country wants to leave.
You need to underatand this simple fact: The vast majority of companies dont give one solitary f*ck about lost customers in the UK because 1. UK customers will just have to eat the tarriffs because the UK cant be self sufficient. 2. EU manufacturers will be the ones who replace UK exporters and get additional sale. I do not think that any German car retailer will want to damage their operations in the UK. Most people would regard BMW as a very successfull brand and the Chairman of BMW had said that they want full co operation in order to make the manufacturing operation in the UK a continued success. "BWM were warning about tariffs and other stuff at the Frankfurt motor show a few months back....they really dont give a flying fuck about the UK market tbh...but keep your head firmly in the sand its buried in | |||
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" Explain something to me if you can. At the moment a steak in the French supermarket Carrefour costs €5.25 whether thats French, British, Irish or German beef. If the UK adopts WTO rules Carrefour has the option of increasing its costs to continue getting British beef (26% increase) or it can avoid an increase in costs by sourcing more from the 27 countries in the EU or the 66 other countries that have trade deals with the EU. Why would Carrefour buy the British Beef at a 26% premium? The average markup for supermarkets on beef is 13.11%. It would not only obliterate the supermarkets profits but actually make them a loss. Or do you expect that the French love British beef so much that they'll pay an extra €1.37 for a British steak? Or do you think in the infamously tight market of food production that theres a way to cut costs by 26% that no ones bothered to do for some reason? If you go on WTO rules thats the reality facing every British exporter in the country. Not to mention that you have no trade quotas to use with the EU at all. Zero. And its also not forgetting that farmers will lose all those EU subsidies which will push their costs even higher. If you go on WTO tariffs there will be NINETY THREE countries ahead of you in terms of trade with the EU. So please, please, explain what the British beef industry is going to do when it has no subsidies, no quotas and has to find a way to mitigate a 26% tariff because I, and many others on here, would love to hear it. Hi. It would seem rather pointless to comment unto we know what exactly the various tariff rates ( if any ) will be . Fine tuning of various tariffs is simply a question of swings and roundabouts . For now I will put my faith in Theressa May and her ability to a good deal and one that is considered to be fair to all parties . Once the terms of the deal are announced I will for more than happy to answer your question ( especially as I was someone who spent my childhood on the back of a tractor and have an intense interest in farming ). For now I will simply accept the opinion of another NI based manufacturing business who consider that their future is bright after Brexit . ( a few minor adjustments to duties will have little or no impact ). If we view duties at World level we can simply ignore them as they all cancel out . " The tariffs already announced. WTO means 26% on beef, no waiting required its in black and white for you to read its the same for everyone who doesnt have a bespoke deal with the EU. So unless you are saying that falling back on WTO terms is completely out of a question for the UK then how is the British beef industry going to survive? No subsidies, 26% tariffs, no quotas, increased costs thanks to import duties on farming equipment. And if you ARE ruling out the WTO option, then how can May possibly get a good deal when the whole world knows she has to make a deal or her country faces financial ruin. Once thats the case she has no power in negotiations. Although if May truly had no power in negotiations then we'd be seeing things like the EU dictating the schedule and sequencing of talks, rejecting any citizen rights deal that didnt meet their standards and May agreeing to pay billions in cash to get a deal...... | |||
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" Explain something to me if you can. At the moment a steak in the French supermarket Carrefour costs €5.25 whether thats French, British, Irish or German beef. If the UK adopts WTO rules Carrefour has the option of increasing its costs to continue getting British beef (26% increase) or it can avoid an increase in costs by sourcing more from the 27 countries in the EU or the 66 other countries that have trade deals with the EU. Why would Carrefour buy the British Beef at a 26% premium? The average markup for supermarkets on beef is 13.11%. It would not only obliterate the supermarkets profits but actually make them a loss. Or do you expect that the French love British beef so much that they'll pay an extra €1.37 for a British steak? Or do you think in the infamously tight market of food production that theres a way to cut costs by 26% that no ones bothered to do for some reason? If you go on WTO rules thats the reality facing every British exporter in the country. Not to mention that you have no trade quotas to use with the EU at all. Zero. And its also not forgetting that farmers will lose all those EU subsidies which will push their costs even higher. If you go on WTO tariffs there will be NINETY THREE countries ahead of you in terms of trade with the EU. So please, please, explain what the British beef industry is going to do when it has no subsidies, no quotas and has to find a way to mitigate a 26% tariff because I, and many others on here, would love to hear it. Hi. It would seem rather pointless to comment unto we know what exactly the various tariff rates ( if any ) will be . Fine tuning of various tariffs is simply a question of swings and roundabouts . For now I will put my faith in Theressa May and her ability to a good deal and one that is considered to be fair to all parties . Once the terms of the deal are announced I will for more than happy to answer your question ( especially as I was someone who spent my childhood on the back of a tractor and have an intense interest in farming ). For now I will simply accept the opinion of another NI based manufacturing business who consider that their future is bright after Brexit . ( a few minor adjustments to duties will have little or no impact ). If we view duties at World level we can simply ignore them as they all cancel out . The tariffs already announced. WTO means 26% on beef, no waiting required its in black and white for you to read its the same for everyone who doesnt have a bespoke deal with the EU. So unless you are saying that falling back on WTO terms is completely out of a question for the UK then how is the British beef industry going to survive? No subsidies, 26% tariffs, no quotas, increased costs thanks to import duties on farming equipment. And if you ARE ruling out the WTO option, then how can May possibly get a good deal when the whole world knows she has to make a deal or her country faces financial ruin. Once thats the case she has no power in negotiations. Although if May truly had no power in negotiations then we'd be seeing things like the EU dictating the schedule and sequencing of talks, rejecting any citizen rights deal that didnt meet their standards and May agreeing to pay billions in cash to get a deal...... "It looks like the EU do not want to see the market flooded with beef so I guess it is in everyones interest to negotiate a favourable deal . I will await the results of negotiations . The entire EU beef market could be adversely affected by Brexit, if Irish beef exports to the UK are displaced, the IFA’s Chief Economist, Rowena Dwyer, said. Speaking at the recent launch of the IFA’s policy paper on Brexit, Dwyer said that other EU member states could be indirectly impacted by the UK’s decision to leave the EU. There are concerns that the EU market will not be able to cope with the additional supply of beef, if Irish exports to the UK are displaced, she said. Our exports to the UK represent approximately 10% of the intra-EU beef trade. “That’s a significant amount of beef. If it is displaced from the UK market it will have to look for another market. What market would that be? “Currently our beef exports are fairly straightforward. 50% goes to the UK, 45% goes to the EU and 5% goes outside the EU,” she said. The possible displacement of such a large amount of produce could place EU beef prices under pressure, she added. The EU market is a very mature market. The capacity to absorb significant amounts of additional beef would be rather limited. “It would be important for others to be aware of the fact, that while they may not be directly affected by the UK market being disturbed, they very well could be indirectly affected by the displacement of our produce from the UK market,” she said. | |||
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On
I think so, manufacturers in the eu want to trade with us.
A lot of German cars come here for example, so they should apply pressure on junker and his cronies too
If you read my post or had the faintest idea of what waa going on you'd know that the German csr manufacturers association IS pressuring the EU through the German government on Brexit. Ita just that theyre pressuring Germany to go for a hard Brexit deal that will fuck the UK so bad that no other EU country wants to leave.
You need to underatand this simple fact: The vast majority of companies dont give one solitary f*ck about lost customers in the UK because 1. UK customers will just have to eat the tarriffs because the UK cant be self sufficient. 2. EU manufacturers will be the ones who replace UK exporters and get additional sale."Well that's me telt!  lol | |||
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"But looking at you'e argument...why would any European's want to buy British beef at a premium rate....would you buy French beef over British beef if it was more expensive ? " Hi . I do not think that anyone would ( in any event the duty rate was purely hypothetical ) . What is clear is the EU do not want the market flooded with displaced Irish produced beef and as such it is in everyones interest to negotiate a deal that is acceptable to all parties . In other words our negotiating strength is just as strong ( if not stronger than the UKs . | |||
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"But looking at you'e argument...why would any European's want to buy British beef at a premium rate....would you buy French beef over British beef if it was more expensive ? Hi . I do not think that anyone would ( in any event the duty rate was purely hypothetical ) . What is clear is the EU do not want the market flooded with displaced Irish produced beef and as such it is in everyones interest to negotiate a deal that is acceptable to all parties . In other words our negotiating strength is just as strong ( if not stronger than the UKs ." What the EU want...and i think its been missed by a lot of people is better conditions for the citizens of the member states and a level playing field throughout the EU | |||
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"Remind me. What is the benefit of leaving the EU? What will DEFINITELY improve as a consequence? Rather than phrases could you please give some concrete examples that will improve people's day-to-day lives. For bonus points you could say what we got in return for our payments to the EU and what it will cost us to replace it. It will be a test if objectivity "Well you make it abundantly clear you're convinced you 'know what will haopen' and you have tbe right to lecture the thick leavers. Perhaps your right, but you could also be wrong. the entreched views on both sides are not likely to change. I respect the views of remainers and leavers when sensibly debated. Slagging others off regardless of which side you take isn't. | |||
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"But looking at you'e argument...why would any European's want to buy British beef at a premium rate....would you buy French beef over British beef if it was more expensive ? " Hi. In light of your comment , I have checked the performance of the share price of Hilton Foods ( see note pasted in below ) . Their share price has risen from £6 to £8.50 since the beginning of this year . ( the share price had a high of £9 a month ago . ) In light of this companies performance I do not think they are too concerned about the impact of leaving the EU on their businss . The investors opinion on Hilton Foods is good enough for me Overview Hilton Food Group plc is a leading specialist meat-packing business supplying major international food retailers, Tesco, Ahold, Albert Heijn, ICA, Rimi and Coop Danmark, from state of the art facilities located in six European countries. In... | |||
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"But looking at you'e argument...why would any European's want to buy British beef at a premium rate....would you buy French beef over British beef if it was more expensive ? Hi. In light of your comment , I have checked the performance of the share price of Hilton Foods ( see note pasted in below ) . Their share price has risen from £6 to £8.50 since the beginning of this year . ( the share price had a high of £9 a month ago . ) In light of this companies performance I do not think they are too concerned about the impact of leaving the EU on their businss . The investors opinion on Hilton Foods is good enough for me Overview Hilton Food Group plc is a leading specialist meat-packing business supplying major international food retailers, Tesco, Ahold, Albert Heijn, ICA, Rimi and Coop Danmark, from state of the art facilities located in six European countries. In..." Yup the share market is up because of the low pound...it makes exports cheaper and more attractive..but on the other hand it also makes imports more expensive as well | |||
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"But looking at you'e argument...why would any European's want to buy British beef at a premium rate....would you buy French beef over British beef if it was more expensive ? Hi. In light of your comment , I have checked the performance of the share price of Hilton Foods ( see note pasted in below ) . Their share price has risen from £6 to £8.50 since the beginning of this year . ( the share price had a high of £9 a month ago . ) In light of this companies performance I do not think they are too concerned about the impact of leaving the EU on their businss . The investors opinion on Hilton Foods is good enough for me Overview Hilton Food Group plc is a leading specialist meat-packing business supplying major international food retailers, Tesco, Ahold, Albert Heijn, ICA, Rimi and Coop Danmark, from state of the art facilities located in six European countries. In... Yup the share market is up because of the low pound...it makes exports cheaper and more attractive..but on the other hand it also makes imports more expensive as well " I meant to add since the brexit vote as was predicted and thats another reason the BOE have just raised interest rates | |||
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"But looking at you'e argument...why would any European's want to buy British beef at a premium rate....would you buy French beef over British beef if it was more expensive ? Hi. In light of your comment , I have checked the performance of the share price of Hilton Foods ( see note pasted in below ) . Their share price has risen from £6 to £8.50 since the beginning of this year . ( the share price had a high of £9 a month ago . ) In light of this companies performance I do not think they are too concerned about the impact of leaving the EU on their businss . The investors opinion on Hilton Foods is good enough for me Overview Hilton Food Group plc is a leading specialist meat-packing business supplying major international food retailers, Tesco, Ahold, Albert Heijn, ICA, Rimi and Coop Danmark, from state of the art facilities located in six European countries. In... Yup the share market is up because of the low pound...it makes exports cheaper and more attractive..but on the other hand it also makes imports more expensive as well " However the movement which I quote is for the current year and I do not think that there has been much movement in exchange rates during 2017. As such we can only conclude that investors remain confident in the long term prospects of Hilton Foods regardless of Brexit . | |||
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"But looking at you'e argument...why would any European's want to buy British beef at a premium rate....would you buy French beef over British beef if it was more expensive ? Hi. In light of your comment , I have checked the performance of the share price of Hilton Foods ( see note pasted in below ) . Their share price has risen from £6 to £8.50 since the beginning of this year . ( the share price had a high of £9 a month ago . ) In light of this companies performance I do not think they are too concerned about the impact of leaving the EU on their businss . The investors opinion on Hilton Foods is good enough for me Overview Hilton Food Group plc is a leading specialist meat-packing business supplying major international food retailers, Tesco, Ahold, Albert Heijn, ICA, Rimi and Coop Danmark, from state of the art facilities located in six European countries. In... Yup the share market is up because of the low pound...it makes exports cheaper and more attractive..but on the other hand it also makes imports more expensive as well However the movement which I quote is for the current year and I do not think that there has been much movement in exchange rates during 2017. As such we can only conclude that investors remain confident in the long term prospects of Hilton Foods regardless of Brexit . " really they have dropped like a stone since the brexit referendum | |||
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"But looking at you'e argument...why would any European's want to buy British beef at a premium rate....would you buy French beef over British beef if it was more expensive ? Hi. In light of your comment , I have checked the performance of the share price of Hilton Foods ( see note pasted in below ) . Their share price has risen from £6 to £8.50 since the beginning of this year . ( the share price had a high of £9 a month ago . ) In light of this companies performance I do not think they are too concerned about the impact of leaving the EU on their businss . The investors opinion on Hilton Foods is good enough for me Overview Hilton Food Group plc is a leading specialist meat-packing business supplying major international food retailers, Tesco, Ahold, Albert Heijn, ICA, Rimi and Coop Danmark, from state of the art facilities located in six European countries. In..." From what I can see of Hilton Food Group plc from their website, most of their operations are outside the UK. They seem to operate about half a dozen facilities, only one of which is based in the UK. According to their latest financial report, they don't export much and each facility serves it's domestic market, so Brexit has little effect on them: "The UK’s decision to leave the European Union is not considered a material risk as it will logically only affect product flows between EU countries and those outside the EU, which in the Hilton context are fairly limited, with most of Hilton’s sales in each country made to its retail partner in that country. The risks and uncertainties outlined above had no material adverse impact on the results for the 28 weeks to 16 July 2017." -Matt | |||
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"Brexit is simply a manifestation of the hate and anger that some white elderly men ( those are the primary demographics of brexit voters, go check the figures) feel. No good will come of brexit, and they don't care. And the rest of us Brexiteers? Lied to by the media, not fully informed of the realities and angry. That probably covers the rest of the demographic No good will come of brexit " Scratch a liberal...... | |||
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"Remind me. What is the benefit of leaving the EU? What will DEFINITELY improve as a consequence? Rather than phrases could you please give some concrete examples that will improve people's day-to-day lives. For bonus points you could say what we got in return for our payments to the EU and what it will cost us to replace it. It will be a test if objectivity
Well you make it abundantly clear you're convinced you 'know what will haopen' and you have tbe right to lecture the thick leavers.
Perhaps your right, but you could also be wrong. the entreched views on both sides are not likely to change.
I respect the views of remainers and leavers when sensibly debated.
Slagging others off regardless of which side you take isn't.
"I have not said that I know what will happen. I have asked some questions which should be very straightforward for a leaver to answer. I asked for definite benefits rather than conjecture. I have received no answers as far as I can see. That is the response that I tend to receive on this topic which tends to indicate to me that there are no convincing objective arguments. I'm asking to be proven wrong when the remain argument tends to be rather more concrete. Could also point me to where I have "slagged" someone off as it was not my intention? | |||
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"I think there are so many lies and scaremongering going on. Why would countries stop trading with us if we leave? Eu stand to lose so much if we left because other countries would follow. Then all the greedy fats cat would lose out! I mean why the fuck would we have to pay whatever billion to leave? It’s all bullshit " I'll try and explain why we have to pay. Imagine you are in a relationship. You and the other half agree to get a new kitchen, and borrow the money to pay for it. You've already put a deposit on a new driveway and that's got a few years to go. And the kids school fees are due. You come in one night, pissed. Nigella down the pub said she'd give you a blow job and said her mate Donaldina would let you have her arse. On the basis of two out and out lies you leave your wife, and refuse to honour the commitments you'd made. Of course you can just walk away, not hand a penny over, and we all know people like that don't we..... | |||
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"I think there are so many lies and scaremongering going on. Why would countries stop trading with us if we leave? Eu stand to lose so much if we left because other countries would follow. Then all the greedy fats cat would lose out! I mean why the fuck would we have to pay whatever billion to leave? It’s all bullshit I'll try and explain why we have to pay. Imagine you are in a relationship. You and the other half agree to get a new kitchen, and borrow the money to pay for it. You've already put a deposit on a new driveway and that's got a few years to go. And the kids school fees are due. You come in one night, pissed. Nigella down the pub said she'd give you a blow job and said her mate Donaldina would let you have her arse. On the basis of two out and out lies you leave your wife, and refuse to honour the commitments you'd made. Of course you can just walk away, not hand a penny over, and we all know people like that don't we..... " usually the house goes up for sale and profits divided (in the real World) | |||
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"I think there are so many lies and scaremongering going on. Why would countries stop trading with us if we leave? Eu stand to lose so much if we left because other countries would follow. Then all the greedy fats cat would lose out! I mean why the fuck would we have to pay whatever billion to leave? It’s all bullshit I'll try and explain why we have to pay. Imagine you are in a relationship. You and the other half agree to get a new kitchen, and borrow the money to pay for it. You've already put a deposit on a new driveway and that's got a few years to go. And the kids school fees are due. You come in one night, pissed. Nigella down the pub said she'd give you a blow job and said her mate Donaldina would let you have her arse. On the basis of two out and out lies you leave your wife, and refuse to honour the commitments you'd made. Of course you can just walk away, not hand a penny over, and we all know people like that don't we..... usually the house goes up for sale and profits divided (in the real World)" In this case we were renting. There are no major assets that can be disposed of. There are no profits. Nigella just wants to be a home wrecker. | |||
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"I think there are so many lies and scaremongering going on. Why would countries stop trading with us if we leave? Eu stand to lose so much if we left because other countries would follow. Then all the greedy fats cat would lose out! I mean why the fuck would we have to pay whatever billion to leave? It’s all bullshit I'll try and explain why we have to pay. Imagine you are in a relationship. You and the other half agree to get a new kitchen, and borrow the money to pay for it. You've already put a deposit on a new driveway and that's got a few years to go. And the kids school fees are due. You come in one night, pissed. Nigella down the pub said she'd give you a blow job and said her mate Donaldina would let you have her arse. On the basis of two out and out lies you leave your wife, and refuse to honour the commitments you'd made. Of course you can just walk away, not hand a penny over, and we all know people like that don't we..... usually the house goes up for sale and profits divided (in the real World) In this case we were renting. There are no major assets that can be disposed of. There are no profits. Nigella just wants to be a home wrecker. " Renting!!! then fool on you both for fitting in a new kitchen, the landlord must love you guys lol | |||
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"I think there are so many lies and scaremongering going on. Why would countries stop trading with us if we leave? Eu stand to lose so much if we left because other countries would follow. Then all the greedy fats cat would lose out! I mean why the fuck would we have to pay whatever billion to leave? It’s all bullshit I'll try and explain why we have to pay. Imagine you are in a relationship. You and the other half agree to get a new kitchen, and borrow the money to pay for it. You've already put a deposit on a new driveway and that's got a few years to go. And the kids school fees are due. You come in one night, pissed. Nigella down the pub said she'd give you a blow job and said her mate Donaldina would let you have her arse. On the basis of two out and out lies you leave your wife, and refuse to honour the commitments you'd made. Of course you can just walk away, not hand a penny over, and we all know people like that don't we..... " Surely on the day the we decided to leave the EU , they should have started cutting back or cancelling any project or activity for which our contribution was deemed to be important . In the real world you would cancel an order if your circumstances changed . Legally we owe the EU nothing so why would we pay anything. Morally we may owe the net difference between the cost of former UK residents now resident abroad ( health care and pensions ) less the cost of EU residents in the UK . ( and adjusted for taxes paid and received ). Assuming that there were long term gains by both asset appreciation and benefits to the economy of the country receiving the investment surely the EU must owe us money . Any competent business would cancel or put on hold expenditure if they knew that the source of funding was doubtful | |||
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"I think there are so many lies and scaremongering going on. Why would countries stop trading with us if we leave? Eu stand to lose so much if we left because other countries would follow. Then all the greedy fats cat would lose out! I mean why the fuck would we have to pay whatever billion to leave? It’s all bullshit I'll try and explain why we have to pay. Imagine you are in a relationship. You and the other half agree to get a new kitchen, and borrow the money to pay for it. You've already put a deposit on a new driveway and that's got a few years to go. And the kids school fees are due. You come in one night, pissed. Nigella down the pub said she'd give you a blow job and said her mate Donaldina would let you have her arse. On the basis of two out and out lies you leave your wife, and refuse to honour the commitments you'd made. Of course you can just walk away, not hand a penny over, and we all know people like that don't we..... usually the house goes up for sale and profits divided (in the real World) In this case we were renting. There are no major assets that can be disposed of. There are no profits. Nigella just wants to be a home wrecker. Renting!!! then fool on you both for fitting in a new kitchen, the landlord must love you guys lol" The point stands. We made commitments. | |||
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"I think there are so many lies and scaremongering going on. Why would countries stop trading with us if we leave? Eu stand to lose so much if we left because other countries would follow. Then all the greedy fats cat would lose out! I mean why the fuck would we have to pay whatever billion to leave? It’s all bullshit I'll try and explain why we have to pay. Imagine you are in a relationship. You and the other half agree to get a new kitchen, and borrow the money to pay for it. You've already put a deposit on a new driveway and that's got a few years to go. And the kids school fees are due. You come in one night, pissed. Nigella down the pub said she'd give you a blow job and said her mate Donaldina would let you have her arse. On the basis of two out and out lies you leave your wife, and refuse to honour the commitments you'd made. Of course you can just walk away, not hand a penny over, and we all know people like that don't we..... Surely on the day the we decided to leave the EU , they should have started cutting back or cancelling any project or activity for which our contribution was deemed to be important . In the real world you would cancel an order if your circumstances changed . Legally we owe the EU nothing so why would we pay anything. Morally we may owe the net difference between the cost of former UK residents now resident abroad ( health care and pensions ) less the cost of EU residents in the UK . ( and adjusted for taxes paid and received ). Assuming that there were long term gains by both asset appreciation and benefits to the economy of the country receiving the investment surely the EU must owe us money . Any competent business would cancel or put on hold expenditure if they knew that the source of funding was doubtful " I'd like to see you cancel an order you have made because you changed your mind after the event. I'm pretty sure the business would be unimpressed. And the EU isn't a business, and you can't just turn off something that is part way through its development cycle. But hey, Nigella still whispering in your ears? | |||
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"I think there are so many lies and scaremongering going on. Why would countries stop trading with us if we leave? Eu stand to lose so much if we left because other countries would follow. Then all the greedy fats cat would lose out! I mean why the fuck would we have to pay whatever billion to leave? It’s all bullshit I'll try and explain why we have to pay. Imagine you are in a relationship. You and the other half agree to get a new kitchen, and borrow the money to pay for it. You've already put a deposit on a new driveway and that's got a few years to go. And the kids school fees are due. You come in one night, pissed. Nigella down the pub said she'd give you a blow job and said her mate Donaldina would let you have her arse. On the basis of two out and out lies you leave your wife, and refuse to honour the commitments you'd made. Of course you can just walk away, not hand a penny over, and we all know people like that don't we..... Surely on the day the we decided to leave the EU , they should have started cutting back or cancelling any project or activity for which our contribution was deemed to be important . In the real world you would cancel an order if your circumstances changed . Legally we owe the EU nothing so why would we pay anything. Morally we may owe the net difference between the cost of former UK residents now resident abroad ( health care and pensions ) less the cost of EU residents in the UK . ( and adjusted for taxes paid and received ). Assuming that there were long term gains by both asset appreciation and benefits to the economy of the country receiving the investment surely the EU must owe us money . Any competent business would cancel or put on hold expenditure if they knew that the source of funding was doubtful " Why would the source of funding become “doubtful”? Are you suggesting that the EU knew two years ago that the U.K. would be welching on their responsibilities? Notwithstanding current human issues like health and pensions in the EU and in Europe, there are still more significant long term aid programmes that the U.K. approved and which extend well beyond 2019. The EU would be absolutely correct to assume that if the U.K. voted for it as an EU Member they would approve of and support such programmes - in or out. The EU may not be in a position to, or even want to cancel projects for example - that bring fresh water into African communities and which are scheduled to go on until 2030 and considering that the UK approved such a project - why would the U.K. now want to welch out of it. “We no longer want to be party to providing clean, fresh drinking water to communities blighted by drought and disease because we have left the EU.” It doesn’t sound quite right does it? I suppose the U.K. could say that they do actually want to be party too providing clean drinking water but we don’t want to do it with our near neighbours because we are no longer friends and we want to do it on our own. That would be the Brexit way wouldn’t it? No cooperation, no teamwork / just going it alone. | |||
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"I think there are so many lies and scaremongering going on. Why would countries stop trading with us if we leave? Eu stand to lose so much if we left because other countries would follow. Then all the greedy fats cat would lose out! I mean why the fuck would we have to pay whatever billion to leave? It’s all bullshit I'll try and explain why we have to pay. Imagine you are in a relationship. You and the other half agree to get a new kitchen, and borrow the money to pay for it. You've already put a deposit on a new driveway and that's got a few years to go. And the kids school fees are due. You come in one night, pissed. Nigella down the pub said she'd give you a blow job and said her mate Donaldina would let you have her arse. On the basis of two out and out lies you leave your wife, and refuse to honour the commitments you'd made. Of course you can just walk away, not hand a penny over, and we all know people like that don't we..... Surely on the day the we decided to leave the EU , they should have started cutting back or cancelling any project or activity for which our contribution was deemed to be important . In the real world you would cancel an order if your circumstances changed . Legally we owe the EU nothing so why would we pay anything. Morally we may owe the net difference between the cost of former UK residents now resident abroad ( health care and pensions ) less the cost of EU residents in the UK . ( and adjusted for taxes paid and received ). Assuming that there were long term gains by both asset appreciation and benefits to the economy of the country receiving the investment surely the EU must owe us money . Any competent business would cancel or put on hold expenditure if they knew that the source of funding was doubtful " it was pointed out to you the other day what commitments the EU had in your area for instance...seems to have gone right over your head...i think you did say that you didnt know about thses commitments either | |||
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"I think there are so many lies and scaremongering going on. Why would countries stop trading with us if we leave? Eu stand to lose so much if we left because other countries would follow. Then all the greedy fats cat would lose out! I mean why the fuck would we have to pay whatever billion to leave? It’s all bullshit I'll try and explain why we have to pay. Imagine you are in a relationship. You and the other half agree to get a new kitchen, and borrow the money to pay for it. You've already put a deposit on a new driveway and that's got a few years to go. And the kids school fees are due. You come in one night, pissed. Nigella down the pub said she'd give you a blow job and said her mate Donaldina would let you have her arse. On the basis of two out and out lies you leave your wife, and refuse to honour the commitments you'd made. Of course you can just walk away, not hand a penny over, and we all know people like that don't we..... Surely on the day the we decided to leave the EU , they should have started cutting back or cancelling any project or activity for which our contribution was deemed to be important . In the real world you would cancel an order if your circumstances changed . Legally we owe the EU nothing so why would we pay anything. Morally we may owe the net difference between the cost of former UK residents now resident abroad ( health care and pensions ) less the cost of EU residents in the UK . ( and adjusted for taxes paid and received ). Assuming that there were long term gains by both asset appreciation and benefits to the economy of the country receiving the investment surely the EU must owe us money . Any competent business would cancel or put on hold expenditure if they knew that the source of funding was doubtful it was pointed out to you the other day what commitments the EU had in your area for instance...seems to have gone right over your head...i think you did say that you didnt know about thses commitments either "Er nothing said about my neck of the woods, | |||
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"I think there are so many lies and scaremongering going on. Why would countries stop trading with us if we leave? Eu stand to lose so much if we left because other countries would follow. Then all the greedy fats cat would lose out! I mean why the fuck would we have to pay whatever billion to leave? It’s all bullshit I'll try and explain why we have to pay. Imagine you are in a relationship. You and the other half agree to get a new kitchen, and borrow the money to pay for it. You've already put a deposit on a new driveway and that's got a few years to go. And the kids school fees are due. You come in one night, pissed. Nigella down the pub said she'd give you a blow job and said her mate Donaldina would let you have her arse. On the basis of two out and out lies you leave your wife, and refuse to honour the commitments you'd made. Of course you can just walk away, not hand a penny over, and we all know people like that don't we..... Surely on the day the we decided to leave the EU , they should have started cutting back or cancelling any project or activity for which our contribution was deemed to be important . In the real world you would cancel an order if your circumstances changed . Legally we owe the EU nothing so why would we pay anything. Morally we may owe the net difference between the cost of former UK residents now resident abroad ( health care and pensions ) less the cost of EU residents in the UK . ( and adjusted for taxes paid and received ). Assuming that there were long term gains by both asset appreciation and benefits to the economy of the country receiving the investment surely the EU must owe us money . Any competent business would cancel or put on hold expenditure if they knew that the source of funding was doubtful it was pointed out to you the other day what commitments the EU had in your area for instance...seems to have gone right over your head...i think you did say that you didnt know about thses commitments either
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"I think we should just say goodbye
And get on with things !
Your thoughts ?
My Tin Hat is On "Such a populist thread, if anything say “please like me” it this | |||
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"I think there are so many lies and scaremongering going on. Why would countries stop trading with us if we leave? Eu stand to lose so much if we left because other countries would follow. Then all the greedy fats cat would lose out! I mean why the fuck would we have to pay whatever billion to leave? It’s all bullshit I'll try and explain why we have to pay. Imagine you are in a relationship. You and the other half agree to get a new kitchen, and borrow the money to pay for it. You've already put a deposit on a new driveway and that's got a few years to go. And the kids school fees are due. You come in one night, pissed. Nigella down the pub said she'd give you a blow job and said her mate Donaldina would let you have her arse. On the basis of two out and out lies you leave your wife, and refuse to honour the commitments you'd made. Of course you can just walk away, not hand a penny over, and we all know people like that don't we..... Surely on the day the we decided to leave the EU , they should have started cutting back or cancelling any project or activity for which our contribution was deemed to be important . In the real world you would cancel an order if your circumstances changed . Legally we owe the EU nothing so why would we pay anything. Morally we may owe the net difference between the cost of former UK residents now resident abroad ( health care and pensions ) less the cost of EU residents in the UK . ( and adjusted for taxes paid and received ). Assuming that there were long term gains by both asset appreciation and benefits to the economy of the country receiving the investment surely the EU must owe us money . Any competent business would cancel or put on hold expenditure if they knew that the source of funding was doubtful it was pointed out to you the other day what commitments the EU had in your area for instance...seems to have gone right over your head...i think you did say that you didnt know about thses commitments either "It was also pointed out to you the other day that it was UK taxpayers money that funded those projects you refer to, and how the term 'EU money' is a fallacy, as the UK is a net contributor to the EU it is UK taxpayers money handed over to the EU recycled and handed back to us.....seems to have gone right over your head though. | |||
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"I think there are so many lies and scaremongering going on. Why would countries stop trading with us if we leave? Eu stand to lose so much if we left because other countries would follow. Then all the greedy fats cat would lose out! I mean why the fuck would we have to pay whatever billion to leave? It’s all bullshit I'll try and explain why we have to pay. Imagine you are in a relationship. You and the other half agree to get a new kitchen, and borrow the money to pay for it. You've already put a deposit on a new driveway and that's got a few years to go. And the kids school fees are due. You come in one night, pissed. Nigella down the pub said she'd give you a blow job and said her mate Donaldina would let you have her arse. On the basis of two out and out lies you leave your wife, and refuse to honour the commitments you'd made. Of course you can just walk away, not hand a penny over, and we all know people like that don't we..... Surely on the day the we decided to leave the EU , they should have started cutting back or cancelling any project or activity for which our contribution was deemed to be important . In the real world you would cancel an order if your circumstances changed . Legally we owe the EU nothing so why would we pay anything. Morally we may owe the net difference between the cost of former UK residents now resident abroad ( health care and pensions ) less the cost of EU residents in the UK . ( and adjusted for taxes paid and received ). Assuming that there were long term gains by both asset appreciation and benefits to the economy of the country receiving the investment surely the EU must owe us money . Any competent business would cancel or put on hold expenditure if they knew that the source of funding was doubtful I'd like to see you cancel an order you have made because you changed your mind after the event. I'm pretty sure the business would be unimpressed. And the EU isn't a business, and you can't just turn off something that is part way through its development cycle. But hey, Nigella still whispering in your ears? " You say the EU is not a business. The EU is also not a house but it didn't stop you making that ridiculous analogy earlier in the thread. | |||
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"We've paid too much for years and been taken for Mugs ! Leave and let them do there worse !!! You've not outlined how this country would operate if we just left - such as points that I raised earlier Luckily we have a government who will be sorting all of that out for us . ( and were recently re elected in order to complete this taskk ) What no one to date has been able to explain is how we benefit from paying in a net ( after rebate ) £8 billion per annum to the eu . ( why should circa 20 member countries be net beneficaries ) . In any event each current EU member will still be trading with us after exit ( and vice versa ) . We are simlpy talking about tweaks to certain aspects of duty .
Its £8.6bn but the EU also pays £1bn of your foreign aid. Your net figure also doesnt include money going to the British private sector which is a further £1bn. So the real figure is £6.6bn per year.
For that money the UK economy doesnt have to pay £4.5bn in import duties it would otherwise have to pay for exporting to the EU.
The added cost of customs checks to deal with EU trade will be £.25bn per year.
The additional costs of compliance for companies who wish to export to the EU as a foreign state could be up to £1bn per year.
The British consumer goods sector is estimated to lose out on £5.2 bn in export revenue. (Spanish, French and Greek consumers dont want to pay extra for an ironing board just because it was made in Britain). The car sector is estimated to lose £7.9bn. In fact the Baker McKenzie report says that British business could lose up to £17bn per year.
The British people would face spending up to an extra £3.8bn in food imports per year with no deal.
The UK will also lose 120+ trade agreements with other countries that have been done through the EU. The UK will end up with worse deals here because its a smaller market than the EU and size matters. No one knows yet how many billions this could cost.
And you know full well that I and many others have explained to you repeatedly in various ways what you get for money you pay to the EU. And just for reference that £6.6bn is 0.8% of the UKs budget. And thats not a typo, zero point eight per cent. Thats what youve thrown away the countries economic stability for."That's all assuming we won't trade with the rest of the world is it? | |||
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"I think there are so many lies and scaremongering going on. Why would countries stop trading with us if we leave? Eu stand to lose so much if we left because other countries would follow. Then all the greedy fats cat would lose out! I mean why the fuck would we have to pay whatever billion to leave? It’s all bullshit I'll try and explain why we have to pay. Imagine you are in a relationship. You and the other half agree to get a new kitchen, and borrow the money to pay for it. You've already put a deposit on a new driveway and that's got a few years to go. And the kids school fees are due. You come in one night, pissed. Nigella down the pub said she'd give you a blow job and said her mate Donaldina would let you have her arse. On the basis of two out and out lies you leave your wife, and refuse to honour the commitments you'd made. Of course you can just walk away, not hand a penny over, and we all know people like that don't we..... Surely on the day the we decided to leave the EU , they should have started cutting back or cancelling any project or activity for which our contribution was deemed to be important . In the real world you would cancel an order if your circumstances changed . Legally we owe the EU nothing so why would we pay anything. Morally we may owe the net difference between the cost of former UK residents now resident abroad ( health care and pensions ) less the cost of EU residents in the UK . ( and adjusted for taxes paid and received ). Assuming that there were long term gains by both asset appreciation and benefits to the economy of the country receiving the investment surely the EU must owe us money . Any competent business would cancel or put on hold expenditure if they knew that the source of funding was doubtful it was pointed out to you the other day what commitments the EU had in your area for instance...seems to have gone right over your head...i think you did say that you didnt know about thses commitments either
It was also pointed out to you the other day that it was UK taxpayers money that funded those projects you refer to, and how the term 'EU money' is a fallacy, as the UK is a net contributor to the EU it is UK taxpayers money handed over to the EU recycled and handed back to us.....seems to have gone right over your head though."And you miss the points completely. We made commitments, these have long term implications. Would a diagram help? | |||
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"I think there are so many lies and scaremongering going on. Why would countries stop trading with us if we leave? Eu stand to lose so much if we left because other countries would follow. Then all the greedy fats cat would lose out! I mean why the fuck would we have to pay whatever billion to leave? It’s all bullshit I'll try and explain why we have to pay. Imagine you are in a relationship. You and the other half agree to get a new kitchen, and borrow the money to pay for it. You've already put a deposit on a new driveway and that's got a few years to go. And the kids school fees are due. You come in one night, pissed. Nigella down the pub said she'd give you a blow job and said her mate Donaldina would let you have her arse. On the basis of two out and out lies you leave your wife, and refuse to honour the commitments you'd made. Of course you can just walk away, not hand a penny over, and we all know people like that don't we..... Surely on the day the we decided to leave the EU , they should have started cutting back or cancelling any project or activity for which our contribution was deemed to be important . In the real world you would cancel an order if your circumstances changed . Legally we owe the EU nothing so why would we pay anything. Morally we may owe the net difference between the cost of former UK residents now resident abroad ( health care and pensions ) less the cost of EU residents in the UK . ( and adjusted for taxes paid and received ). Assuming that there were long term gains by both asset appreciation and benefits to the economy of the country receiving the investment surely the EU must owe us money . Any competent business would cancel or put on hold expenditure if they knew that the source of funding was doubtful it was pointed out to you the other day what commitments the EU had in your area for instance...seems to have gone right over your head...i think you did say that you didnt know about thses commitments either
It was also pointed out to you the other day that it was UK taxpayers money that funded those projects you refer to, and how the term 'EU money' is a fallacy, as the UK is a net contributor to the EU it is UK taxpayers money handed over to the EU recycled and handed back to us.....seems to have gone right over your head though.
And you miss the points completely. We made commitments, these have long term implications.
Would a diagram help? "I very much doubt a diagram from you would help because it would most likely be wrong. We have 40 years worth of assets in the EU which we have contributed towards during our membership since the 1970's. Various buildings and properties and a substantial share in the European Central Bank which you don't seem to be taking into account. Besides the House of Lords committee on the subject of a divorce bill concluded that legally the UK is not obliged to pay the EU a single penny upon leaving. | |||
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"Too hot it's you that's embittered and angry as are a few remainers on here it's the brexitiers who are slagged off every day on here . It was a democratic vote how is that acting like a dictatorship ? " And so you should be slagged off as well you brexiteers are all full of your own shit | |||
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"Too hot it's you that's embittered and angry as are a few remainers on here it's the brexitiers who are slagged off every day on here . It was a democratic vote how is that acting like a dictatorship ? " Remainers seem to be acting in a very similar way to how Robert Mugabe is behaving right now in Zimbabwe, he's refusing to accept the will of the people who very clearly want him out, just as remainers here are refusing to accept the will of the people to leave the EU as expressed in the referendum. Tin pot dictatorship behaviour and disdain for democracy is very clearly the remainer way. | |||
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"Too hot it's you that's embittered and angry as are a few remainers on here it's the brexitiers who are slagged off every day on here . It was a democratic vote how is that acting like a dictatorship ? " Behaving like a tin pot Dictatorship.... Angrily denying responsibility, abusing the enemy (EU) and questioning their competence and authority. From where I sit that is par for the course for your typical Brexiter. Want validation? Pop over to the Leave.EU Facebook page. Only tin pot Dictatorships ignore international protocols and act purely for self serving interest at the expense of everyone else around them. The overwhelming majority of Remainers think a little more deeply about the issues whereas the overwhelming majority of Brexiters just want a simple solution, no matter how ill thought out it may be. | |||
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"Too hot it's you that's embittered and angry as are a few remainers on here it's the brexitiers who are slagged off every day on here . It was a democratic vote how is that acting like a dictatorship ? Behaving like a tin pot Dictatorship.... Angrily denying responsibility, abusing the enemy (EU) and questioning their competence and authority. From where I sit that is par for the course for your typical Brexiter. Want validation? Pop over to the Leave.EU Facebook page. Only tin pot Dictatorships ignore international protocols and act purely for self serving interest at the expense of everyone else around them. The overwhelming majority of Remainers think a little more deeply about the issues whereas the overwhelming majority of Brexiters just want a simple solution, no matter how ill thought out it may be. " Spot on my friend I fully agree | |||
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"Too hot it's you that's embittered and angry as are a few remainers on here it's the brexitiers who are slagged off every day on here . It was a democratic vote how is that acting like a dictatorship ? Behaving like a tin pot Dictatorship.... Angrily denying responsibility, abusing the enemy (EU) and questioning their competence and authority. From where I sit that is par for the course for your typical Brexiter. Want validation? Pop over to the Leave.EU Facebook page. Only tin pot Dictatorships ignore international protocols and act purely for self serving interest at the expense of everyone else around them. The overwhelming majority of Remainers think a little more deeply about the issues whereas the overwhelming majority of Brexiters just want a simple solution, no matter how ill thought out it may be. " really .all I see is remoaners putting obstacles and barriers In the way hoping to de rail the whole thing in the off chance we can have a second vote . Ive never seen such a bad lot of users nearly 18 months on and still crying over their spilt milk. I accepted the result first time around when it was meant to be for a free trade common market .some forget how we were sold down the line back then . nobody went on like this then . | |||
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"So there is no legal obligation to pay a penny (or maybe a cent) to the EU as part of the separation process. This line is often spouted by the embittered and angry Brexiters who demand nothing less than a disorderly and chaotic Brexit that fucks up as many EU countries (including our own) as possible. Behaving like a tin pot Dictatorship seems to be the Brexit way. I wonder what their attitude might subsequently be when other countries then imposed protectionist measures against the United Kingdom knowing that the UK just can’t be trusted to keep their word? Anyway, it seems like Prime Minister May has now decided that the U.K. must meet its financial obligations and is about to significantly raise the £20billion currently on the table. I guess asking the EU to sell its institutions because the U.K. has spat its dummy out is not the best course of action." Why would anyone wish to mess up another countries economy . ? That statement makes no sense to me. Assuming that all of the EU funded projects are successfull ( and as such the counties who are net beneficiaries of long term funding will receive considerable long term benefits from thse investments for a considrable time into the future ) why would any rational individual carrying on subsidising these . Has the UK not already paid its way by being a net contributor for the last forty years ? If this is the case are we not entitled to a share of the increase in the value of the assets invested in ? It is also difficult to see why leaving the EU would damage the UK economy ( or that of any other country ) . We sill simply continue trading will minor adjustments to duties ( if any ) Nearly all key financial performance indicators have been positive since the decision to leave. I will put my faith in those who run business ( a few examples being Lord Banford , Tim Martin and Dyson ) Closer to home ( in N.I ) , large private businnesses are not concerned either . | |||
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