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"all of a sudden brextremists think that experts are a good thing .... who knew "Plenty of experts have backed brexit from day 1, maybe you just haven't read about them in pro Remain rags like The London Evening Standard, The Guardian and the FT. Experts like Patrick Minford funnily enough have backed brexit from day 1. For the most part the experts who backed brexit have so far been proven correct. When the Remain campaign predicted a recession in the event of a leave vote experts like Patrick Minford said it was nonsense and wouldn't happen. He has been proven right over the last year and a half and fully vindicated in his views and opinions about the economy since the leave vote happened. | |||
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"Nice to here some optomism,ye in the long run brexit will work in ourfavour. You will upset a lot of negative people onthis thread,they will think these guys are heretics lol. Brexit will work but it may be a rocky road at first but success is never easy"  | |||
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"A group of 16 leading top economists known collectively as 'The economists for free trade' released a Brexit forecast for Britain over the weekend. It said Brexit will bring gains as we stop paying our £10 billion subs and are freed from EU red tape that costs UK business £120 billion a year. The report said prices will fall when we scrap EU tariffs on goods from the rest of the world, with UK firms enjoying an exports boom. Growth in the UK will rise to nearly 3% a year after Brexit, leaving a surplus of £40 billion by 2025 and £65 billion 5 years later. It will give the Chancellor of the exchequer enough headroom to pay off the national debt and also give away £25 billion a year. The economists for free trade suggest the Chancellor use almost half of that to cut corporation tax and high rate income tax by 2p. This would leave around £13 billion to spare which could be used to pump an extra £250 million a week into the NHS. The leader and chairman of the economists for free trade group Professor Patrick Minford said Brexit will be a shot in the arm for the British economy. It will speed up growth, create more jobs, and generate extra cash which can be used for tax cuts and to give higher funding of vital public services like the NHS. "And which pro brexit group paid them to say that? | |||
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"A group of 16 leading top economists known collectively as 'The economists for free trade' released a Brexit forecast for Britain over the weekend. It said Brexit will bring gains as we stop paying our £10 billion subs and are freed from EU red tape that costs UK business £120 billion a year. The report said prices will fall when we scrap EU tariffs on goods from the rest of the world, with UK firms enjoying an exports boom. Growth in the UK will rise to nearly 3% a year after Brexit, leaving a surplus of £40 billion by 2025 and £65 billion 5 years later. It will give the Chancellor of the exchequer enough headroom to pay off the national debt and also give away £25 billion a year. The economists for free trade suggest the Chancellor use almost half of that to cut corporation tax and high rate income tax by 2p. This would leave around £13 billion to spare which could be used to pump an extra £250 million a week into the NHS. The leader and chairman of the economists for free trade group Professor Patrick Minford said Brexit will be a shot in the arm for the British economy. It will speed up growth, create more jobs, and generate extra cash which can be used for tax cuts and to give higher funding of vital public services like the NHS. "As Mr Gove so eloquently put it - we are sick of experts! If it were that easy to stimulate the economy why haven't we done it before? Wrong experts probably! | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies?" Because they've been proven right so far over Brexit. The economists on the opposite side you have put your faith in have so far been proven wrong. | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies? Because they've been proven right so far over Brexit. The economists on the opposite side you have put your faith in have so far been proven wrong. " OK, what specifically (please provide links in line with forum rules if possible) did they predict before the referendum that has happened? | |||
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"A group of 16 leading top economists known collectively as 'The economists for free trade' released a Brexit forecast for Britain over the weekend. It said Brexit will bring gains as we stop paying our £10 billion subs and are freed from EU red tape that costs UK business £120 billion a year. The report said prices will fall when we scrap EU tariffs on goods from the rest of the world, with UK firms enjoying an exports boom. Growth in the UK will rise to nearly 3% a year after Brexit, leaving a surplus of £40 billion by 2025 and £65 billion 5 years later. It will give the Chancellor of the exchequer enough headroom to pay off the national debt and also give away £25 billion a year. The economists for free trade suggest the Chancellor use almost half of that to cut corporation tax and high rate income tax by 2p. This would leave around £13 billion to spare which could be used to pump an extra £250 million a week into the NHS. The leader and chairman of the economists for free trade group Professor Patrick Minford said Brexit will be a shot in the arm for the British economy. It will speed up growth, create more jobs, and generate extra cash which can be used for tax cuts and to give higher funding of vital public services like the NHS. "Hi. Very interesting . I saw the article in one of the broadsheets today . It looks like we might be in for a £65 billion windfall. I cannot see many people complaining about that. | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies? Because they've been proven right so far over Brexit. The economists on the opposite side you have put your faith in have so far been proven wrong. OK, what specifically (please provide links in line with forum rules if possible) did they predict before the referendum that has happened?" The economists for Brexit (as they were called during the EU referendum) said the UK would not fall into recession after the leave vote, while your economists on the Remain side forecast a deep recession in the event of a Leave vote. The economists for free trade (as they are now called) have been proven right and your economists on the opposite side have been proven wrong. | |||
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 , economists they undoubtedly have assessed worst case scenario (probably the one we'll get) and brexitardis will gladly pay all extra damages appropriately, from their failures to time travel to the future and get near to accuracy | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies? Because they've been proven right so far over Brexit. The economists on the opposite side you have put your faith in have so far been proven wrong. OK, what specifically (please provide links in line with forum rules if possible) did they predict before the referendum that has happened? The economists for Brexit (as they were called during the EU referendum) said the UK would not fall into recession after the leave vote, while your economists on the Remain side forecast a deep recession in the event of a Leave vote. The economists for free trade (as they are now called) have been proven right and your economists on the opposite side have been proven wrong. " You're right, it didn't quite fall into recession, however we went from the fastest growing economy in the EU and the G20, to the slowest growing economy. Did they predict that? What did they specifically say about the economy after the vote? | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies? Because they've been proven right so far over Brexit. The economists on the opposite side you have put your faith in have so far been proven wrong. OK, what specifically (please provide links in line with forum rules if possible) did they predict before the referendum that has happened? The economists for Brexit (as they were called during the EU referendum) said the UK would not fall into recession after the leave vote, while your economists on the Remain side forecast a deep recession in the event of a Leave vote. The economists for free trade (as they are now called) have been proven right and your economists on the opposite side have been proven wrong. " As has been explained to you many,many, many, many times. The prediction of the recession was based on Camerons assurance that Article 50 would be triggered the day after the vote. That would have been chaos and the uncertainty would have wreaked havoc on the British economy. You know this and yet you still pretend that the prediction was wrong instead of the fact that the situation drastically changed...almost as if the facts dont support your argument so you have to be continuously dishonest to try and prop up your view...but Im sure a fine honest fellow like you wouldnt do that. | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies? Because they've been proven right so far over Brexit. The economists on the opposite side you have put your faith in have so far been proven wrong. OK, what specifically (please provide links in line with forum rules if possible) did they predict before the referendum that has happened? The economists for Brexit (as they were called during the EU referendum) said the UK would not fall into recession after the leave vote, while your economists on the Remain side forecast a deep recession in the event of a Leave vote. The economists for free trade (as they are now called) have been proven right and your economists on the opposite side have been proven wrong. You're right, it didn't quite fall into recession, however we went from the fastest growing economy in the EU and the G20, to the slowest growing economy. Did they predict that? What did they specifically say about the economy after the vote? " That is would continue to grow, which it has done. | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies? Because they've been proven right so far over Brexit. The economists on the opposite side you have put your faith in have so far been proven wrong. OK, what specifically (please provide links in line with forum rules if possible) did they predict before the referendum that has happened? The economists for Brexit (as they were called during the EU referendum) said the UK would not fall into recession after the leave vote, while your economists on the Remain side forecast a deep recession in the event of a Leave vote. The economists for free trade (as they are now called) have been proven right and your economists on the opposite side have been proven wrong. You're right, it didn't quite fall into recession, however we went from the fastest growing economy in the EU and the G20, to the slowest growing economy. Did they predict that? What did they specifically say about the economy after the vote? That is would continue to grow, which it has done. "So no reply to any of the posts that point out how your study has already been discredited because its own small print says these gains can only happen if the EU gives the UK a total FTA with no tarriffs and drops it own tarriffs for other countries by 50%? Almost like your avoiding it for some reason  | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies? Because they've been proven right so far over Brexit. The economists on the opposite side you have put your faith in have so far been proven wrong. OK, what specifically (please provide links in line with forum rules if possible) did they predict before the referendum that has happened? The economists for Brexit (as they were called during the EU referendum) said the UK would not fall into recession after the leave vote, while your economists on the Remain side forecast a deep recession in the event of a Leave vote. The economists for free trade (as they are now called) have been proven right and your economists on the opposite side have been proven wrong. You're right, it didn't quite fall into recession, however we went from the fastest growing economy in the EU and the G20, to the slowest growing economy. Did they predict that? What did they specifically say about the economy after the vote? That is would continue to grow, which it has done. "Did they say that grow would slow? | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies? Because they've been proven right so far over Brexit. The economists on the opposite side you have put your faith in have so far been proven wrong. OK, what specifically (please provide links in line with forum rules if possible) did they predict before the referendum that has happened? The economists for Brexit (as they were called during the EU referendum) said the UK would not fall into recession after the leave vote, while your economists on the Remain side forecast a deep recession in the event of a Leave vote. The economists for free trade (as they are now called) have been proven right and your economists on the opposite side have been proven wrong. As has been explained to you many,many, many, many times. The prediction of the recession was based on Camerons assurance that Article 50 would be triggered the day after the vote. That would have been chaos and the uncertainty would have wreaked havoc on the British economy. You know this and yet you still pretend that the prediction was wrong instead of the fact that the situation drastically changed...almost as if the facts dont support your argument so you have to be continuously dishonest to try and prop up your view...but Im sure a fine honest fellow like you wouldnt do that." No, the one being dishonest here is you. As has been explained to you many, many, many, many times the forecasts of the remain campaign were based on a leave vote happening, there was nothing said about article 50 being triggered and the remain campaigns words were very specific they said the UK would fall into a deep recession on the back of a leave vote! Nothing more and nothing less, you are trying to twist the facts to suit your own agenda, there was nothing said about the triggering of article 50. Just accept that your remain campaign predictions were piss poor and have been proven beyond doubt to be pure unadulterated bullshit and were completely false and wrong. There has been no recession and the strong UK economy has continued to grow and is forecast to continue to keep on growing. | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies? Because they've been proven right so far over Brexit. The economists on the opposite side you have put your faith in have so far been proven wrong. OK, what specifically (please provide links in line with forum rules if possible) did they predict before the referendum that has happened? The economists for Brexit (as they were called during the EU referendum) said the UK would not fall into recession after the leave vote, while your economists on the Remain side forecast a deep recession in the event of a Leave vote. The economists for free trade (as they are now called) have been proven right and your economists on the opposite side have been proven wrong. As has been explained to you many,many, many, many times. The prediction of the recession was based on Camerons assurance that Article 50 would be triggered the day after the vote. That would have been chaos and the uncertainty would have wreaked havoc on the British economy. You know this and yet you still pretend that the prediction was wrong instead of the fact that the situation drastically changed...almost as if the facts dont support your argument so you have to be continuously dishonest to try and prop up your view...but Im sure a fine honest fellow like you wouldnt do that. No, the one being dishonest here is you. As has been explained to you many, many, many, many times the forecasts of the remain campaign were based on a leave vote happening, there was nothing said about article 50 being triggered and the remain campaigns words were very specific they said the UK would fall into a deep recession on the back of a leave vote! Nothing more and nothing less, you are trying to twist the facts to suit your own agenda, there was nothing said about the triggering of article 50. Just accept that your remain campaign predictions were piss poor and have been proven beyond doubt to be pure unadulterated bullshit and were completely false and wrong. There has been no recession and the strong UK economy has continued to grow and is forecast to continue to keep on growing. "Thats remarkably funny because I remember David Cameron saying Article 50 would be triggered the day after the referendum. In fact I just watched an interview on Sky News on youtube where Cameron does say exactly that. If youre saying that triggering Article 50 on the 28th of June vs nearly a year later has literally no effect at all on business, investments, consumer and investor confidence and didnt all for a steadying period to try and prop up thr economy then you are being incredibly disingenuous. No reasonable person would ever buy into your fanciful argument that the timing didnt effect the economy. And as for the Remain campaign possibly not explicitly mentioning that their prediction was based on the triggering of article 50 on the 28th, well why would they? The prime minister had said that would be the way it would be and there was no reason to doubt him. The prediction was also on the basis that the US didnt decide to return as part of the British Empire but that was also understood. | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies? Because they've been proven right so far over Brexit. The economists on the opposite side you have put your faith in have so far been proven wrong. OK, what specifically (please provide links in line with forum rules if possible) did they predict before the referendum that has happened? The economists for Brexit (as they were called during the EU referendum) said the UK would not fall into recession after the leave vote, while your economists on the Remain side forecast a deep recession in the event of a Leave vote. The economists for free trade (as they are now called) have been proven right and your economists on the opposite side have been proven wrong. As has been explained to you many,many, many, many times. The prediction of the recession was based on Camerons assurance that Article 50 would be triggered the day after the vote. That would have been chaos and the uncertainty would have wreaked havoc on the British economy. You know this and yet you still pretend that the prediction was wrong instead of the fact that the situation drastically changed...almost as if the facts dont support your argument so you have to be continuously dishonest to try and prop up your view...but Im sure a fine honest fellow like you wouldnt do that. No, the one being dishonest here is you. As has been explained to you many, many, many, many times the forecasts of the remain campaign were based on a leave vote happening, there was nothing said about article 50 being triggered and the remain campaigns words were very specific they said the UK would fall into a deep recession on the back of a leave vote! Nothing more and nothing less, you are trying to twist the facts to suit your own agenda, there was nothing said about the triggering of article 50. Just accept that your remain campaign predictions were piss poor and have been proven beyond doubt to be pure unadulterated bullshit and were completely false and wrong. There has been no recession and the strong UK economy has continued to grow and is forecast to continue to keep on growing. "You should all know by now that this person is never wrong Your all wasting your time trying to even comment on his posts because it’s allways turned around that infact your the one who’s wrong and never answers the debate but turns in back in his favour he’s a expert at this | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies? Because they've been proven right so far over Brexit. The economists on the opposite side you have put your faith in have so far been proven wrong. OK, what specifically (please provide links in line with forum rules if possible) did they predict before the referendum that has happened? The economists for Brexit (as they were called during the EU referendum) said the UK would not fall into recession after the leave vote, while your economists on the Remain side forecast a deep recession in the event of a Leave vote. The economists for free trade (as they are now called) have been proven right and your economists on the opposite side have been proven wrong. As has been explained to you many,many, many, many times. The prediction of the recession was based on Camerons assurance that Article 50 would be triggered the day after the vote. That would have been chaos and the uncertainty would have wreaked havoc on the British economy. You know this and yet you still pretend that the prediction was wrong instead of the fact that the situation drastically changed...almost as if the facts dont support your argument so you have to be continuously dishonest to try and prop up your view...but Im sure a fine honest fellow like you wouldnt do that. No, the one being dishonest here is you. As has been explained to you many, many, many, many times the forecasts of the remain campaign were based on a leave vote happening, there was nothing said about article 50 being triggered and the remain campaigns words were very specific they said the UK would fall into a deep recession on the back of a leave vote! Nothing more and nothing less, you are trying to twist the facts to suit your own agenda, there was nothing said about the triggering of article 50. Just accept that your remain campaign predictions were piss poor and have been proven beyond doubt to be pure unadulterated bullshit and were completely false and wrong. There has been no recession and the strong UK economy has continued to grow and is forecast to continue to keep on growing. "Hopefully not too many people engaged in financial transactions to mitigate potential losses as a result of the remain campaign. Since the referendum the UK economy has put up a sterling performance . I often wonder do all these merchants of doom and gloom walk up and down a high street to see what is happening in the real world or drive up and down the motorways or are they so glued to their computers looking for bad news they do not have time to observe real life. | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies?" Typical you are getting worse,you need help | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies?Typical you are getting worse,you need help" So you are just basing it on the one you like the sound of then? | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies?Typical you are getting worse,you need help So you are just basing it on the one you like the sound of then? " No not at all that is bullshit you twist everything for some very childish reason | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies?Typical you are getting worse,you need help" No,he was spot on. OP ignored the fact that the study hes quoting in this post has (in their small print) said that their prediction is based on the UK getting a complete free trade agreement with no tarriffs whatsoever and relies on the EU dropping their tarrifs by 50% for other countries. Neither of these things is going to happen so the study and its prediction is pointless and invalid. If you or OP had the skills to look at this critically then it would have been dismissed as the pointless waste of time it is. | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies?Typical you are getting worse,you need help So you are just basing it on the one you like the sound of then? No not at all that is bullshit you twist everything for some very childish reason" If you don't have the skills to critically analyse sources, then you have no idea what you can trust and what you cant. | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies? Because they've been proven right so far over Brexit. The economists on the opposite side you have put your faith in have so far been proven wrong. OK, what specifically (please provide links in line with forum rules if possible) did they predict before the referendum that has happened?" Whereas your experts predicted; there would be an immediate and deep recession That house prices would drop by 10% That 800,000 jobs would be lost Western political civilization would be destroyed It would cause a world war Am immediate £30 Billion emergency tax raising budget The EU did not want a centrally controlled army None of which has come to pass. Having said that, they also said, The pound was up to 20% overvalued, For 2 years before the referendum that inflation would rise, And for a couple of years before the referendum that interest rates would go up. | |||
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"It's probably a better discussion if it's based around a more open set of available data and opinions, rather than a fixed position starting point, with zero interest in a flexible perspective that an open mind could take. "Very true | |||
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"It's probably a better discussion if it's based around a more open set of available data and opinions, rather than a fixed position starting point, with zero interest in a flexible perspective that an open mind could take. "Sadly people dont want to weigh the facts and evidence and make informed decisions anymore. This study is a good case in point. Their own analysis says their findings arent going to happen unless 2 things that arent going to happen BOTH happen. But supporters of Brexit dont want to hear the detail. This is the only study done that predicts a benefit to Brexit and it strains credulity beyond breaking point. But if you point that out some certain people will ignore it and keep repeating it anyway and certain others will complain that reality is too negative and should be ignored. | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies? Because they've been proven right so far over Brexit. The economists on the opposite side you have put your faith in have so far been proven wrong. OK, what specifically (please provide links in line with forum rules if possible) did they predict before the referendum that has happened? Whereas your experts predicted; there would be an immediate and deep recession That house prices would drop by 10% That 800,000 jobs would be lost Western political civilization would be destroyed It would cause a world war Am immediate £30 Billion emergency tax raising budget The EU did not want a centrally controlled army None of which has come to pass. Having said that, they also said, The pound was up to 20% overvalued, For 2 years before the referendum that inflation would rise, And for a couple of years before the referendum that interest rates would go up." Prove it, give us a link. I bet you can't! | |||
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"And of course folks models are less than useless during times of great uncertainty" all models are wrong. Just some are more helpful than others. This thread is nothing without sources. Preferably to sources which have been peer reviewed before publication. Otherwise they are barely more credible than an a level essay ... | |||
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"He wont or any of the brexiters will provide any sources....because as they know and we know there any any...that survey he mentions is akin to the 350mil on the side of the bus "A'int * any | |||
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"And of course folks models are less than useless during times of great uncertaintyall models are wrong. Just some are more helpful than others. This thread is nothing without sources. Preferably to sources which have been peer reviewed before publication. Otherwise they are barely more credible than an a level essay ..." Are you even aware of the forum rules around posting of links and sources? | |||
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"He wont or any of the brexiters will provide any sources....because as they know and we know there any any...that survey he mentions is akin to the 350mil on the side of the bus "Anyone with a computer or a smart phone and working Internet access should be able to easily find the report mentioned in the OP using an Internet search engine. Although maybe that's just too difficult a task for some on here?  | |||
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"He wont or any of the brexiters will provide any sources....because as they know and we know there any any...that survey he mentions is akin to the 350mil on the side of the bus
Anyone with a computer or a smart phone and working Internet access should be able to easily find the report mentioned in the OP using an Internet search engine. Although maybe that's just too difficult a task for some on here? "I did and I showed how it was a complete waste of time because the assumptions they made and based their prediction on were ludicruous. The only reason to go to the effort to looking up this report is to indulge in the schaedenfreude of seeing how pitiful Brexitears are in their desperation to grasp at any straw that might help them avoid admitting they f**ked their country over. | |||
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"He wont or any of the brexiters will provide any sources....because as they know and we know there any any...that survey he mentions is akin to the 350mil on the side of the bus
Anyone with a computer or a smart phone and working Internet access should be able to easily find the report mentioned in the OP using an Internet search engine. Although maybe that's just too difficult a task for some on here? "We are not asking for that, we are asking for proof of the claim JandS made that "Western political civilization would be destroyed". You still haven't answered the question if your group of economists predicted that growth would reduce. You say that they have been more accurate in their predictions, yet haven't been able to give any specifics at all. If you truely believed in them, you could easily do it, and easily within the rules of the forum. | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies? Because they've been proven right so far over Brexit. The economists on the opposite side you have put your faith in have so far been proven wrong. OK, what specifically (please provide links in line with forum rules if possible) did they predict before the referendum that has happened? Whereas your experts predicted; there would be an immediate and deep recession That house prices would drop by 10% That 800,000 jobs would be lost Western political civilization would be destroyed It would cause a world war Am immediate £30 Billion emergency tax raising budget The EU did not want a centrally controlled army None of which has come to pass. Having said that, they also said, The pound was up to 20% overvalued, For 2 years before the referendum that inflation would rise, And for a couple of years before the referendum that interest rates would go up. Prove it, give us a link. I bet you can't! "So all the above you're now denying? Wow! As you've said many times before, try google. Treasury report of May before referendum on the immediate impact of leaving the EU, where the executive summary by George Osborne specifically states "the immediate effect of a vote to leave". Several letters from the governor of the bank of England to George Osborne. George Osborne, again, re: emergency budget. IMF, OECD, BoE reports on value of sterling from 3 months before the referendum (you can also find it in full fact). And for the rest look up various quotes from juncker, tusk, verhofstat, Cameron et al. | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies? Because they've been proven right so far over Brexit. The economists on the opposite side you have put your faith in have so far been proven wrong. OK, what specifically (please provide links in line with forum rules if possible) did they predict before the referendum that has happened? Whereas your experts predicted; there would be an immediate and deep recession That house prices would drop by 10% That 800,000 jobs would be lost Western political civilization would be destroyed It would cause a world war Am immediate £30 Billion emergency tax raising budget The EU did not want a centrally controlled army None of which has come to pass. Having said that, they also said, The pound was up to 20% overvalued, For 2 years before the referendum that inflation would rise, And for a couple of years before the referendum that interest rates would go up. Prove it, give us a link. I bet you can't!
So all the above you're now denying? Wow!
As you've said many times before, try google.
Treasury report of May before referendum on the immediate impact of leaving the EU, where the executive summary by George Osborne specifically states "the immediate effect of a vote to leave".
Several letters from the governor of the bank of England to George Osborne.
George Osborne, again, re: emergency budget.
IMF, OECD, BoE reports on value of sterling from 3 months before the referendum (you can also find it in full fact).
And for the rest look up various quotes from juncker, tusk, verhofstat, Cameron et al."So no link to an economist or group of economists who said all the things you listed then? Including "Western political civilization would be destroyed" and "It would cause a world war"? That's a big fucking surprise isn't it?! Yet another Epic Fail from JandS! | |||
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"He wont or any of the brexiters will provide any sources....because as they know and we know there any any...that survey he mentions is akin to the 350mil on the side of the bus
Anyone with a computer or a smart phone and working Internet access should be able to easily find the report mentioned in the OP using an Internet search engine. Although maybe that's just too difficult a task for some on here?
I did and I showed how it was a complete waste of time because the assumptions they made and based their prediction on were ludicruous. The only reason to go to the effort to looking up this report is to indulge in the schaedenfreude of seeing how pitiful Brexitears are in their desperation to grasp at any straw that might help them avoid admitting they f**ked their country over."Anyone resident in the UK will have given considerable thought to all the issues concerned and weighted up both the pros and cons of the EU. The majority have concluded that the amount we pay in does not justify what we get out . It is bizarre that we should be the third largest contributor and be expected to subsidize Lots of other countries. The performance of the UK economy since the referendum indicates that we appear to have made the right decision and have nothing to lose . It will be interesting to see how the EU will make up this £8 billion annual loss to their revenue. | |||
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"He wont or any of the brexiters will provide any sources....because as they know and we know there any any...that survey he mentions is akin to the 350mil on the side of the bus
Anyone with a computer or a smart phone and working Internet access should be able to easily find the report mentioned in the OP using an Internet search engine. Although maybe that's just too difficult a task for some on here?
I did and I showed how it was a complete waste of time because the assumptions they made and based their prediction on were ludicruous. The only reason to go to the effort to looking up this report is to indulge in the schaedenfreude of seeing how pitiful Brexitears are in their desperation to grasp at any straw that might help them avoid admitting they f**ked their country over. Anyone resident in the UK will have given considerable thought to all the issues concerned and weighted up both the pros and cons of the EU.
The majority have concluded that the amount we pay in does not justify what we get out . It is bizarre that we should be the third largest contributor and be expected to subsidize Lots of other countries.
The performance of the UK economy since the referendum indicates that we appear to have made the right decision and have nothing to lose .
It will be interesting to see how the EU will make up this £8 billion annual loss to their revenue. "Brexiters on this forum cant manage to put any thought into what they post here. Certain posters cant understand how to assess the economy let alone ascertain how events like Brexit would affect it. The British economy has performed much worse since the vote to leave. From fastest growing to dead last in the EU. | |||
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"He wont or any of the brexiters will provide any sources....because as they know and we know there any any...that survey he mentions is akin to the 350mil on the side of the bus
Anyone with a computer or a smart phone and working Internet access should be able to easily find the report mentioned in the OP using an Internet search engine. Although maybe that's just too difficult a task for some on here?
I did and I showed how it was a complete waste of time because the assumptions they made and based their prediction on were ludicruous. The only reason to go to the effort to looking up this report is to indulge in the schaedenfreude of seeing how pitiful Brexitears are in their desperation to grasp at any straw that might help them avoid admitting they f**ked their country over. Anyone resident in the UK will have given considerable thought to all the issues concerned and weighted up both the pros and cons of the EU.
The majority have concluded that the amount we pay in does not justify what we get out . It is bizarre that we should be the third largest contributor and be expected to subsidize Lots of other countries.
The performance of the UK economy since the referendum indicates that we appear to have made the right decision and have nothing to lose .
It will be interesting to see how the EU will make up this £8 billion annual loss to their revenue. "Our growth has gone from the highest in the EU to the lowest. The performance of the UK economy shows we made the Wrong decision and we have £billions to lose, houses to lose, jobs to lose, services to lose, skilled workers to lose and much more. | |||
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"Anyone resident in the UK will have given considerable thought to all the issues concerned and weighted up both the pros and cons of the EU. The majority have concluded that the amount we pay in does not justify what we get out . It is bizarre that we should be the third largest contributor and be expected to subsidize Lots of other countries. " Your comments in para 2 clearly prove that your comments in para 1 are incorrect. Your comment in para 2 illustrates clearly that you don’t even understand what the EU is and so how can you have given considerable thought to the UK’s relationship to the EU? Your logic would suggest that London should not pay taxes to support Lancashire and that London should seek independence from rUK because there is no benefit in a Union where London pays in much more than it gets out. Such shallow and one dimensional thinking is absolutely going to be the cause of this country shooting itself in both feet, twice. | |||
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"He wont or any of the brexiters will provide any sources....because as they know and we know there any any...that survey he mentions is akin to the 350mil on the side of the bus
Anyone with a computer or a smart phone and working Internet access should be able to easily find the report mentioned in the OP using an Internet search engine. Although maybe that's just too difficult a task for some on here?
I did and I showed how it was a complete waste of time because the assumptions they made and based their prediction on were ludicruous. The only reason to go to the effort to looking up this report is to indulge in the schaedenfreude of seeing how pitiful Brexitears are in their desperation to grasp at any straw that might help them avoid admitting they f**ked their country over. Anyone resident in the UK will have given considerable thought to all the issues concerned and weighted up both the pros and cons of the EU.
The majority have concluded that the amount we pay in does not justify what we get out . It is bizarre that we should be the third largest contributor and be expected to subsidize Lots of other countries.
The performance of the UK economy since the referendum indicates that we appear to have made the right decision and have nothing to lose .
It will be interesting to see how the EU will make up this £8 billion annual loss to their revenue.
Our growth has gone from the highest in the EU to the lowest. The performance of the UK economy shows we made the Wrong decision and we have £billions to lose, houses to lose, jobs to lose, services to lose, skilled workers to lose and much more."Yea but some people *prefer* to only count the stock market because when they only look at the things they *prefer* to look at and ignore the things they dont then they can pretend things are rosy....as long as they also *prefer* to ignore that inflation is 2.9% and sterling has dropped over 15% in value and these both push stock prices up. | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies? Because they've been proven right so far over Brexit. The economists on the opposite side you have put your faith in have so far been proven wrong. OK, what specifically (please provide links in line with forum rules if possible) did they predict before the referendum that has happened? Whereas your experts predicted; there would be an immediate and deep recession That house prices would drop by 10% That 800,000 jobs would be lost Western political civilization would be destroyed It would cause a world war Am immediate £30 Billion emergency tax raising budget The EU did not want a centrally controlled army None of which has come to pass. Having said that, they also said, The pound was up to 20% overvalued, For 2 years before the referendum that inflation would rise, And for a couple of years before the referendum that interest rates would go up. Prove it, give us a link. I bet you can't!
So all the above you're now denying? Wow!
As you've said many times before, try google.
Treasury report of May before referendum on the immediate impact of leaving the EU, where the executive summary by George Osborne specifically states "the immediate effect of a vote to leave".
Several letters from the governor of the bank of England to George Osborne.
George Osborne, again, re: emergency budget.
IMF, OECD, BoE reports on value of sterling from 3 months before the referendum (you can also find it in full fact).
And for the rest look up various quotes from juncker, tusk, verhofstat, Cameron et al.
So no link to an economist or group of economists who said all the things you listed then? Including "Western political civilization would be destroyed" and "It would cause a world war"? That's a big fucking surprise isn't it?! Yet another Epic Fail from JandS! "I said your experts.... Which include Cameron, Osborne, Juncker, Verhofstat, Tusk, etc. So you don't deny anything else then? I'd say that's yet another epic fail by CLCC. | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies? Because they've been proven right so far over Brexit. The economists on the opposite side you have put your faith in have so far been proven wrong. OK, what specifically (please provide links in line with forum rules if possible) did they predict before the referendum that has happened? Whereas your experts predicted; there would be an immediate and deep recession That house prices would drop by 10% That 800,000 jobs would be lost Western political civilization would be destroyed It would cause a world war Am immediate £30 Billion emergency tax raising budget The EU did not want a centrally controlled army None of which has come to pass. Having said that, they also said, The pound was up to 20% overvalued, For 2 years before the referendum that inflation would rise, And for a couple of years before the referendum that interest rates would go up. Prove it, give us a link. I bet you can't!
So all the above you're now denying? Wow!
As you've said many times before, try google.
Treasury report of May before referendum on the immediate impact of leaving the EU, where the executive summary by George Osborne specifically states "the immediate effect of a vote to leave".
Several letters from the governor of the bank of England to George Osborne.
George Osborne, again, re: emergency budget.
IMF, OECD, BoE reports on value of sterling from 3 months before the referendum (you can also find it in full fact).
And for the rest look up various quotes from juncker, tusk, verhofstat, Cameron et al.
So no link to an economist or group of economists who said all the things you listed then? Including "Western political civilization would be destroyed" and "It would cause a world war"? That's a big fucking surprise isn't it?! Yet another Epic Fail from JandS! "It was David Cameron the then Prime minister of the UK who said during the EU referendum campaign that leaving the EU could cause a world war. I remember this very vividly because I posted a thread about his comments, on fab forum at the time he said it during the referendum. Once again this is very easily found for anyone with common sense enough to know how to use a basic Internet search engine. | |||
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"He wont or any of the brexiters will provide any sources....because as they know and we know there any any...that survey he mentions is akin to the 350mil on the side of the bus
Anyone with a computer or a smart phone and working Internet access should be able to easily find the report mentioned in the OP using an Internet search engine. Although maybe that's just too difficult a task for some on here?
I did and I showed how it was a complete waste of time because the assumptions they made and based their prediction on were ludicruous. The only reason to go to the effort to looking up this report is to indulge in the schaedenfreude of seeing how pitiful Brexitears are in their desperation to grasp at any straw that might help them avoid admitting they f**ked their country over. Anyone resident in the UK will have given considerable thought to all the issues concerned and weighted up both the pros and cons of the EU.
The majority have concluded that the amount we pay in does not justify what we get out . It is bizarre that we should be the third largest contributor and be expected to subsidize Lots of other countries.
The performance of the UK economy since the referendum indicates that we appear to have made the right decision and have nothing to lose .
It will be interesting to see how the EU will make up this £8 billion annual loss to their revenue.
Our growth has gone from the highest in the EU to the lowest. The performance of the UK economy shows we made the Wrong decision and we have £billions to lose, houses to lose, jobs to lose, services to lose, skilled workers to lose and much more."Or you could say the UK economy has remained in positive growth territory since the vote to leave, even though all the experts in the remain camp predicted we would fall into a deep recession after a vote to leave. Considering what your remain experts predicted we are doing a damn sight better and have outperformed by far their expectations. | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies? Because they've been proven right so far over Brexit. The economists on the opposite side you have put your faith in have so far been proven wrong. OK, what specifically (please provide links in line with forum rules if possible) did they predict before the referendum that has happened? Whereas your experts predicted; there would be an immediate and deep recession That house prices would drop by 10% That 800,000 jobs would be lost Western political civilization would be destroyed It would cause a world war Am immediate £30 Billion emergency tax raising budget The EU did not want a centrally controlled army None of which has come to pass. Having said that, they also said, The pound was up to 20% overvalued, For 2 years before the referendum that inflation would rise, And for a couple of years before the referendum that interest rates would go up. Prove it, give us a link. I bet you can't!
So all the above you're now denying? Wow!
As you've said many times before, try google.
Treasury report of May before referendum on the immediate impact of leaving the EU, where the executive summary by George Osborne specifically states "the immediate effect of a vote to leave".
Several letters from the governor of the bank of England to George Osborne.
George Osborne, again, re: emergency budget.
IMF, OECD, BoE reports on value of sterling from 3 months before the referendum (you can also find it in full fact).
And for the rest look up various quotes from juncker, tusk, verhofstat, Cameron et al.
So no link to an economist or group of economists who said all the things you listed then? Including "Western political civilization would be destroyed" and "It would cause a world war"? That's a big fucking surprise isn't it?! Yet another Epic Fail from JandS!
I said your experts....
Which include Cameron, Osborne, Juncker, Verhofstat, Tusk, etc.
So you don't deny anything else then? I'd say that's yet another epic fail by CLCC."So still no link with one person or group saying that then? FAIL! | |||
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"He wont or any of the brexiters will provide any sources....because as they know and we know there any any...that survey he mentions is akin to the 350mil on the side of the bus
Anyone with a computer or a smart phone and working Internet access should be able to easily find the report mentioned in the OP using an Internet search engine. Although maybe that's just too difficult a task for some on here?
I did and I showed how it was a complete waste of time because the assumptions they made and based their prediction on were ludicruous. The only reason to go to the effort to looking up this report is to indulge in the schaedenfreude of seeing how pitiful Brexitears are in their desperation to grasp at any straw that might help them avoid admitting they f**ked their country over. Anyone resident in the UK will have given considerable thought to all the issues concerned and weighted up both the pros and cons of the EU.
The majority have concluded that the amount we pay in does not justify what we get out . It is bizarre that we should be the third largest contributor and be expected to subsidize Lots of other countries.
The performance of the UK economy since the referendum indicates that we appear to have made the right decision and have nothing to lose .
It will be interesting to see how the EU will make up this £8 billion annual loss to their revenue.
Our growth has gone from the highest in the EU to the lowest. The performance of the UK economy shows we made the Wrong decision and we have £billions to lose, houses to lose, jobs to lose, services to lose, skilled workers to lose and much more.
Or you could say the UK economy has remained in positive growth territory since the vote to leave, even though all the experts in the remain camp predicted we would fall into a deep recession after a vote to leave. Considering what your remain experts predicted we are doing a damn sight better and have outperformed by far their expectations. "Well unless you can state what your experts said the growth rate would be, we can't actually tell who's prediction was more accurate. Despite being asked this several times, you still haven't been able or willing to tell us exactly what their growth predictions were, or even if they predicted the massive decline in growth. | |||
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"David Cameron did say that that the U.K. leaving the EU would result in a less stable Europe. In truth, any European Leader could have quite rightly stated the same thing about their own country leaving the EU. The European Union has resulted in former staunch enemies trading with each other and talking and trading is far more beneficial than fighting and killing. This is not about military might, but about talking, cooperation and integration - all of which make conflicts less likely. It is fairly predictable for Brexiters to take this out of context (as they did at the time). Conflating NATO as a military resource with the EU is no surprise really because it is the Brexit/Trump mentality that doesn’t understand that militarisation starts wars and politics and dialogue finish them." So 'Militarisation starts wars', hmmn, tell us how are the EU plans for an army coming on since Jean Claude Juncker announced it in his state of the union address speech earlier this year? | |||
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" Or you could say the UK economy has remained in positive growth territory since the vote to leave, even though all the experts in the remain camp predicted we would fall into a deep recession after a vote to leave. Considering what your remain experts predicted we are doing a damn sight better and have outperformed by far their expectations. " 1) A50 was not triggered immediately after the referendum as was suggested in the referendum. 2) The Conservatives abandoned their policies to balance the books by 2020 in order to stimulate the economy. 3) Massive QE by the BoE. Ignoring these three factual events is just further evidence that you are blinded by confirmation bias. Simply acknowledging that actions took place to mitigate the negative effects of the Brexit vote would add more weight to the arguments of those people who think that Brexit will be “good in the end.” | |||
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"He wont or any of the brexiters will provide any sources....because as they know and we know there any any...that survey he mentions is akin to the 350mil on the side of the bus
Anyone with a computer or a smart phone and working Internet access should be able to easily find the report mentioned in the OP using an Internet search engine. Although maybe that's just too difficult a task for some on here?
I did and I showed how it was a complete waste of time because the assumptions they made and based their prediction on were ludicruous. The only reason to go to the effort to looking up this report is to indulge in the schaedenfreude of seeing how pitiful Brexitears are in their desperation to grasp at any straw that might help them avoid admitting they f**ked their country over. Anyone resident in the UK will have given considerable thought to all the issues concerned and weighted up both the pros and cons of the EU.
The majority have concluded that the amount we pay in does not justify what we get out . It is bizarre that we should be the third largest contributor and be expected to subsidize Lots of other countries.
The performance of the UK economy since the referendum indicates that we appear to have made the right decision and have nothing to lose .
It will be interesting to see how the EU will make up this £8 billion annual loss to their revenue.
Our growth has gone from the highest in the EU to the lowest. The performance of the UK economy shows we made the Wrong decision and we have £billions to lose, houses to lose, jobs to lose, services to lose, skilled workers to lose and much more.
Or you could say the UK economy has remained in positive growth territory since the vote to leave, even though all the experts in the remain camp predicted we would fall into a deep recession after a vote to leave. Considering what your remain experts predicted we are doing a damn sight better and have outperformed by far their expectations.
Well unless you can state what your experts said the growth rate would be, we can't actually tell who's prediction was more accurate. Despite being asked this several times, you still haven't been able or willing to tell us exactly what their growth predictions were, or even if they predicted the massive decline in growth."I answered your question on this earlier in the thread. The economists for Brexit said the UK economy would continue to grow after a vote to leave, which it has done.
Vindicated and proven correct, thank you very much. | |||
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"He wont or any of the brexiters will provide any sources....because as they know and we know there any any...that survey he mentions is akin to the 350mil on the side of the bus
Anyone with a computer or a smart phone and working Internet access should be able to easily find the report mentioned in the OP using an Internet search engine. Although maybe that's just too difficult a task for some on here?
I did and I showed how it was a complete waste of time because the assumptions they made and based their prediction on were ludicruous. The only reason to go to the effort to looking up this report is to indulge in the schaedenfreude of seeing how pitiful Brexitears are in their desperation to grasp at any straw that might help them avoid admitting they f**ked their country over. Anyone resident in the UK will have given considerable thought to all the issues concerned and weighted up both the pros and cons of the EU.
The majority have concluded that the amount we pay in does not justify what we get out . It is bizarre that we should be the third largest contributor and be expected to subsidize Lots of other countries.
The performance of the UK economy since the referendum indicates that we appear to have made the right decision and have nothing to lose .
It will be interesting to see how the EU will make up this £8 billion annual loss to their revenue.
Our growth has gone from the highest in the EU to the lowest. The performance of the UK economy shows we made the Wrong decision and we have £billions to lose, houses to lose, jobs to lose, services to lose, skilled workers to lose and much more.
Or you could say the UK economy has remained in positive growth territory since the vote to leave, even though all the experts in the remain camp predicted we would fall into a deep recession after a vote to leave. Considering what your remain experts predicted we are doing a damn sight better and have outperformed by far their expectations.
Well unless you can state what your experts said the growth rate would be, we can't actually tell who's prediction was more accurate. Despite being asked this several times, you still haven't been able or willing to tell us exactly what their growth predictions were, or even if they predicted the massive decline in growth.
I answered your question on this earlier in the thread. The economists for Brexit said the UK economy would continue to grow after a vote to leave, which it has done.
Vindicated and proven correct, thank you very much. "Right, so if one economist says the economy will shrink from 2% to -0.1% after X date, and another says the economy will grow from 2% to 50%, and the economy actually goes from 2% to 0.2%, who is closer? (Figures for illustrative purposes only) So Centaur, what figure did economists for Brexit say they economy would shrink or grow by, after the referendum? | |||
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" Well unless you can state what your experts said the growth rate would be, we can't actually tell who's prediction was more accurate. Despite being asked this several times, you still haven't been able or willing to tell us exactly what their growth predictions were, or even if they predicted the massive decline in growth." Well since Centaur wont quote his own experts (he hasnt even bothered to defend the nonsense predictions he posted here in the first place) I found the predictions for him: They predicted that economic growth would increase by 2%, instead it has fallen dramatically. Wages would grow in real terms by 1.5% but instead its fallen in value. | |||
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"this is a story from the renowned brextremist propaganda newspaper "the sun" ... based on some musings by well known brextremists such a rhys-mogg and owen paterson .... so basically unsubstantiated piffle from the usual brextremist zealots "Once again a very mature contribution to a debate from you. | |||
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"this is a story from the renowned brextremist propaganda newspaper "the sun" ... based on some musings by well known brextremists such a rhys-mogg and owen paterson .... so basically unsubstantiated piffle from the usual brextremist zealots
Once again a very mature contribution to a debate from you. "debunking this horseshit is fair comment to the debate in all honesty | |||
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" I answered your question on this earlier in the thread. The economists for Brexit said the UK economy would continue to grow after a vote to leave, which it has done.
Vindicated and proven correct, thank you very much. "Dont worry Centy,I found their predictions for you. They said rate of growth would increase and they were wrong. They also said the real value of wages would increase and they were wrong. Whats the opposite of vindicated again? | |||
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"this is a story from the renowned brextremist propaganda newspaper "the sun" ... based on some musings by well known brextremists such a rhys-mogg and owen paterson .... so basically unsubstantiated piffle from the usual brextremist zealots
Once again a very mature contribution to a debate from you.
debunking this horseshit is fair comment to the debate in all honesty"Yet another mature comment, thanks for that. | |||
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" I answered your question on this earlier in the thread. The economists for Brexit said the UK economy would continue to grow after a vote to leave, which it has done.
Vindicated and proven correct, thank you very much.
Dont worry Centy,I found their predictions for you.
They said rate of growth would increase and they were wrong.
They also said the real value of wages would increase and they were wrong.
Whats the opposite of vindicated again?"They said the economy would Continue to grow, which it has done. Vindicated and proven correct, thank you very much. | |||
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"If leave voters class reducing our growth from being the highest in the EU to being the lowest as a sucsess then... I'm quite lost for words... But if harming your Country financially is a sucsess to you ... you're obviously going to be overjoyed because you've already succeeded " It's considered an outstanding success considering the so called experts in the remain camp all said we'd be in a deep recession by now and we've remained in positive growth all along. | |||
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" I answered your question on this earlier in the thread. The economists for Brexit said the UK economy would continue to grow after a vote to leave, which it has done.
Vindicated and proven correct, thank you very much.
Dont worry Centy,I found their predictions for you.
They said rate of growth would increase and they were wrong.
They also said the real value of wages would increase and they were wrong.
Whats the opposite of vindicated again?
They said the economy would Continue to grow, which it has done. Vindicated and proven correct, thank you very much. "Nope they didnt say that. They said the rate of growth would increase by 2%. They were wrong about the increase being 2% and they were wrong about there being an increase at all. And they were wrong about the real value of wages too. Let me put it in simpler terms: they predicted that Brexit would improve the UKs rate of growth, instead the rate of growth has gotten much worse. So they were wrong. They predicted improvement,its actually gotten worse. See how they were wrong? Its about as wrong as you were when you thought this study was reliable. | |||
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" Well unless you can state what your experts said the growth rate would be, we can't actually tell who's prediction was more accurate. Despite being asked this several times, you still haven't been able or willing to tell us exactly what their growth predictions were, or even if they predicted the massive decline in growth. Well since Centaur wont quote his own experts (he hasnt even bothered to defend the nonsense predictions he posted here in the first place) I found the predictions for him: They predicted that economic growth would increase by 2%, instead it has fallen dramatically. Wages would grow in real terms by 1.5% but instead its fallen in value." Growth is nowhere near 2%, and as you say, wages have fallen in value, not increased by 1.5%. Centaur, your experts are completely wrong. | |||
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"If leave voters class reducing our growth from being the highest in the EU to being the lowest as a sucsess then... I'm quite lost for words... But if harming your Country financially is a sucsess to you ... you're obviously going to be overjoyed because you've already succeeded It's considered an outstanding success considering the so called experts in the remain camp all said we'd be in a deep recession by now and we've remained in positive growth all along. "Are you able to acknowledge the rate of growth has dramatically reduced because of Brexit ? | |||
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"this is a story from the renowned brextremist propaganda newspaper "the sun" ... based on some musings by well known brextremists such a rhys-mogg and owen paterson .... so basically unsubstantiated piffle from the usual brextremist zealots
Once again a very mature contribution to a debate from you.
debunking this horseshit is fair comment to the debate in all honesty
Yet another mature comment, thanks for that. "like i said ... this horseshit article is just piffle to titillate the brextremists who haven't had anything whatsoever to celebrate since the referendum .... it's all just speculation and to attempt to use this kind of brextremist crap from mogg and co to somehow bolster the flacid leave dogma in the face of the stark reality that brexit is going comletely tits-up through the incompetence of davis and the rest is frankly laughably deluded | |||
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" Well unless you can state what your experts said the growth rate would be, we can't actually tell who's prediction was more accurate. Despite being asked this several times, you still haven't been able or willing to tell us exactly what their growth predictions were, or even if they predicted the massive decline in growth. Well since Centaur wont quote his own experts (he hasnt even bothered to defend the nonsense predictions he posted here in the first place) I found the predictions for him: They predicted that economic growth would increase by 2%, instead it has fallen dramatically. Wages would grow in real terms by 1.5% but instead its fallen in value. Growth is nowhere near 2%, and as you say, wages have fallen in value, not increased by 1.5%. Centaur, your experts are completely wrong." Your experts in the remain camp were wrong and are still wrong because there has been no recession and there is no recession in sight. The economy is forecast to continue to remain in positive growth territory. Economists for brexit have been proven right by saying there would be no recession. The UK economy has remained in a positive growth position since the vote to leave in June 2016. | |||
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" Well unless you can state what your experts said the growth rate would be, we can't actually tell who's prediction was more accurate. Despite being asked this several times, you still haven't been able or willing to tell us exactly what their growth predictions were, or even if they predicted the massive decline in growth. Well since Centaur wont quote his own experts (he hasnt even bothered to defend the nonsense predictions he posted here in the first place) I found the predictions for him: They predicted that economic growth would increase by 2%, instead it has fallen dramatically. Wages would grow in real terms by 1.5% but instead its fallen in value. Growth is nowhere near 2%, and as you say, wages have fallen in value, not increased by 1.5%. Centaur, your experts are completely wrong. Your experts in the remain camp were wrong and are still wrong because there has been no recession and there is no recession in sight. The economy is forecast to continue to remain in positive growth territory. Economists for brexit have been proven right by saying there would be no recession. The UK economy has remained in a positive growth position since the vote to leave in June 2016. "So if they said that the economy would double, grow by 100%, would you still say they were right? | |||
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"this is a story from the renowned brextremist propaganda newspaper "the sun" ... based on some musings by well known brextremists such a rhys-mogg and owen paterson .... so basically unsubstantiated piffle from the usual brextremist zealots
Once again a very mature contribution to a debate from you.
debunking this horseshit is fair comment to the debate in all honesty
Yet another mature comment, thanks for that.
like i said ... this horseshit article is just piffle to titillate the brextremists who haven't had anything whatsoever to celebrate since the referendum .... it's all just speculation and to attempt to use this kind of brextremist crap from mogg and co to somehow bolster the flacid leave dogma in the face of the stark reality that brexit is going comletely tits-up through the incompetence of davis and the rest is frankly laughably deluded "Oh Brexiters have had plenty to celebrate since the referendum result, the triggering of article 50 in March for one, which I personally had a few celebratory drinks over.
Then there was the first anniversary of the Leave vote in June and I intend to celebrate the anniversary of the leave vote every single year from now on. | |||
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"this is a story from the renowned brextremist propaganda newspaper "the sun" ... based on some musings by well known brextremists such a rhys-mogg and owen paterson .... so basically unsubstantiated piffle from the usual brextremist zealots
Once again a very mature contribution to a debate from you.
debunking this horseshit is fair comment to the debate in all honesty
Yet another mature comment, thanks for that.
like i said ... this horseshit article is just piffle to titillate the brextremists who haven't had anything whatsoever to celebrate since the referendum .... it's all just speculation and to attempt to use this kind of brextremist crap from mogg and co to somehow bolster the flacid leave dogma in the face of the stark reality that brexit is going comletely tits-up through the incompetence of davis and the rest is frankly laughably deluded
Oh Brexiters have had plenty to celebrate since the referendum result, the triggering of article 50 in March for one, which I personally had a few celebratory drinks over.
Then there was the first anniversary of the Leave vote in June and I intend to celebrate the anniversary of the leave vote every single year from now on. "so proven then from your own admission. nothing to celebrate from the brextremists since 2016 ... and just straw clutching about this speculative deluded rubbish printed in the sun | |||
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" I answered your question on this earlier in the thread. The economists for Brexit said the UK economy would continue to grow after a vote to leave, which it has done.
Vindicated and proven correct, thank you very much.
Dont worry Centy,I found their predictions for you.
They said rate of growth would increase and they were wrong.
They also said the real value of wages would increase and they were wrong.
Whats the opposite of vindicated again?
They said the economy would Continue to grow, which it has done. Vindicated and proven correct, thank you very much. "They said growth would be HIGHER....IT ISNT, They said wages would be HIGHER in REAL TERMS..,they are NOT! Vindication? On what planet please Centy? | |||
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"The IFS published their 116 report in May 2016 which stated the following: "Of the 14 organisations we have been able to find that have quantified the short-run effects on national income, 12 suggest the effects would be negative, one (broadly) neutral, and one (Economists for Brexit) suggests a positive effect on national income. This does not include the Bank of England, which, whilst not quantifying the likely effect, has nevertheless made it clear that it believes there could be a significant negative effect (Bank of England, 2016). These negative effects in the first few years following a vote to leave are driven by a combination of an increase in uncertainty, a likely fall in the value of sterling and increase in inflation, an increased cost of borrowing, and the first impacts of the ‘longer-run’ effects on, among other things, trade (see below). The increase in uncertainty in particular would be likely to drive a reduction in both consumption and investment,particularly foreign direct investment, with a direct effect on GDP as well as, in the case of the latter, a potential longer-term negative effect on productivity." All of these predictions have come true, haven't they Centaur?" Leave economists said there would be no recession as a result of a leave vote = PROVEN CORRECT Remain economists said there would be a deep and immediate recession in the event of a leave vote = PROVEN WRONG It really is funny as fuck watching you and others flap around on here like fish out of water gasping for breath as the UK moves closer each day to the exit door,....oh and talking of fish do you remember the remain economists publicly admitting they had their "Michael Fish moment" when the recession they predicted failed to materialise. | |||
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"The IFS published their 116 report in May 2016 which stated the following: "Of the 14 organisations we have been able to find that have quantified the short-run effects on national income, 12 suggest the effects would be negative, one (broadly) neutral, and one (Economists for Brexit) suggests a positive effect on national income. This does not include the Bank of England, which, whilst not quantifying the likely effect, has nevertheless made it clear that it believes there could be a significant negative effect (Bank of England, 2016). These negative effects in the first few years following a vote to leave are driven by a combination of an increase in uncertainty, a likely fall in the value of sterling and increase in inflation, an increased cost of borrowing, and the first impacts of the ‘longer-run’ effects on, among other things, trade (see below). The increase in uncertainty in particular would be likely to drive a reduction in both consumption and investment,particularly foreign direct investment, with a direct effect on GDP as well as, in the case of the latter, a potential longer-term negative effect on productivity." All of these predictions have come true, haven't they Centaur? Leave economists said there would be no recession as a result of a leave vote = PROVEN CORRECT Remain economists said there would be a deep and immediate recession in the event of a leave vote = PROVEN WRONG It really is funny as fuck watching you and others flap around on here like fish out of water gasping for breath as the UK moves closer each day to the exit door,....oh and talking of fish do you remember the remain economists publicly admitting they had their "Michael Fish moment" when the recession they predicted failed to materialise. "You have what the IFS said above, a fall in the value of sterling - PROVEN. Reduction in investment - PROVEN. Increase in the cost of borrowing - PROVEN. Increase in inflation - PROVEN. It's all come true. Your experts however said grow increase by 2% - FALSE, and increase in wages by 1.5% - FALSE. | |||
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"Its terrible that the only thing brexiters can say is that the UK isnt in recession yet. Thats the great selling point so far. Growth has slowed. Consumer confidence is down. Retail is in the worst shape in years. Inflation is up. Real wage value is down. And theres nothing that suggests this will turn around if they continue pursuing Brexit. The only rational thing to do is have a second referendum on the leave deal (or the prospect of leaving without one) so that everyone can avert this impending disaster" And yet despite all the constant doom and gloom from people like you the UK is a much happier place since the country voted Leave last year. The yearly 'Life satisfaction and happiness' survey conducted by the office for national statistics showed that this year 2017 the UK is the happiest it's been with life satisfaction levels at their highest since the year 2011. This poll was conducted by the ONS and released a few weeks ago with a full years worth of data to study since the country voted Leave. Jeez who'd have thunk it! | |||
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"The IFS published their 116 report in May 2016 which stated the following: "Of the 14 organisations we have been able to find that have quantified the short-run effects on national income, 12 suggest the effects would be negative, one (broadly) neutral, and one (Economists for Brexit) suggests a positive effect on national income. This does not include the Bank of England, which, whilst not quantifying the likely effect, has nevertheless made it clear that it believes there could be a significant negative effect (Bank of England, 2016). These negative effects in the first few years following a vote to leave are driven by a combination of an increase in uncertainty, a likely fall in the value of sterling and increase in inflation, an increased cost of borrowing, and the first impacts of the ‘longer-run’ effects on, among other things, trade (see below). The increase in uncertainty in particular would be likely to drive a reduction in both consumption and investment,particularly foreign direct investment, with a direct effect on GDP as well as, in the case of the latter, a potential longer-term negative effect on productivity." All of these predictions have come true, haven't they Centaur? Leave economists said there would be no recession as a result of a leave vote = PROVEN CORRECT Remain economists said there would be a deep and immediate recession in the event of a leave vote = PROVEN WRONG It really is funny as fuck watching you and others flap around on here like fish out of water gasping for breath as the UK moves closer each day to the exit door,....oh and talking of fish do you remember the remain economists publicly admitting they had their "Michael Fish moment" when the recession they predicted failed to materialise. "Thing is we're talking about facts here, slow down in growth, wage value down, inflation up while all you bang on about is old predictions. Brexit vote has damaged the economy and you spout that its a good thing.... Some things never change I suppose. | |||
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"It looks like we might be in for a £65 billion windfall. I cannot see many people complaining about that. " Recent history tells us windfalls & always come back to bite us in the ass - de-mutualised building societies and right-to-buy council houses to name just two. If there is a £65m surplus why 'give it away'? They could invest it in education, improving the national housing stock, care for the elderly, eradicating child poverty... Or is that too simple? | |||
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"seriously though.... you couldn't get centy to condemn the alt right and white nationalist marchers at charlottesville! you have zero chance to get centy to say anything bad about brexit.... he like paying higher prices, and doesn't care growth has slowed... I bet he really doesn't believe the experts he quoted in his first post... experts smexperts!!!" Well the "experts" he quoted have a history of hard right politics and predictions that didnt pan out. In the 90s they predicted the minimum wage increase would cost 3 million jobs, it actually had no effect on employment at all. | |||
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" Well unless you can state what your experts said the growth rate would be, we can't actually tell who's prediction was more accurate. Despite being asked this several times, you still haven't been able or willing to tell us exactly what their growth predictions were, or even if they predicted the massive decline in growth. Well since Centaur wont quote his own experts (he hasnt even bothered to defend the nonsense predictions he posted here in the first place) I found the predictions for him: They predicted that economic growth would increase by 2%, instead it has fallen dramatically. Wages would grow in real terms by 1.5% but instead its fallen in value. Growth is nowhere near 2%, and as you say, wages have fallen in value, not increased by 1.5%. Centaur, your experts are completely wrong. Your experts in the remain camp were wrong and are still wrong because there has been no recession and there is no recession in sight. The economy is forecast to continue to remain in positive growth territory. Economists for brexit have been proven right by saying there would be no recession. The UK economy has remained in a positive growth position since the vote to leave in June 2016. "There might had easily been a recession if it wasn't for the BoE intervention...and going from the highest to the lowest economy in a matter of months hardly seems very successful to anyone but the dimmest of people | |||
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"Makes me chuckle all of you trying to sound like you all know what you are talking about . I voted leave but In all honesty nobody knows what's going to happen . I don't listen to experts i see what's happening around me in the real world . Until a good year or so after the official leave date we don't know , Simples! !" Proudly ignorant huh? | |||
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"Makes me chuckle all of you trying to sound like you all know what you are talking about . I voted leave but In all honesty nobody knows what's going to happen . I don't listen to experts i see what's happening around me in the real world . Until a good year or so after the official leave date we don't know , Simples! !" | |||
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"Well I'm probably quite unique on this forum as I'm neither a 'leaver' or a 'remainer' However when it comes to lies and embarrassing statements - The three stand out statements (As reported in the Spanish Press) have to be ....... 1st place - David Cameron for predicting the 3rd World War and the beginning of the end of Western Civilisation In 2nd place to Barack Ombama for predicting the UK would go to the back of the queue for trade with the US 3rd place - David Beckham for telling you "Britain is better in Europe" after moving to the States a year earlier - (In his words) "To give my kids a better chance" I've often listened to arguments about misleading figures on a bus but that slogan didn't really catch the interest or imagination of the Spanish press - Well not compared to a 3rd World War and an end to Western Civilisation! Lol And lastly - just an observation Obama blatantly tried to influence your referendum at Cameron's request but that little fact gets overlooked - Instead there seems to be a preference to believe Putin influenced your result - That one still baffles me? " It is only baffling if you don't bother to read further than the headlines. But it it interesting what you say the Spanish press have been reporting on the matter. Did they not cover the Brexit bus, or Farage saying that we'd have the population of Turkey enter our country if we remain? -Matt | |||
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"Makes me chuckle all of you trying to sound like you all know what you are talking about . I voted leave but In all honesty nobody knows what's going to happen . I don't listen to experts i see what's happening around me in the real world . Until a good year or so after the official leave date we don't know , Simples! !" Correct no one knows what will happen tomorrow never mind next year or any other time in the future. | |||
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"Makes me chuckle all of you trying to sound like you all know what you are talking about . I voted leave but In all honesty nobody knows what's going to happen . I don't listen to experts i see what's happening around me in the real world . Until a good year or so after the official leave date we don't know , Simples! ! Correct no one knows what will happen tomorrow never mind next year or any other time in the future." | |||
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"Makes me chuckle all of you trying to sound like you all know what you are talking about . I voted leave but In all honesty nobody knows what's going to happen . I don't listen to experts i see what's happening around me in the real world . Until a good year or so after the official leave date we don't know , Simples! ! Correct no one knows what will happen tomorrow never mind next year or any other time in the future." Another poster proud to wear his ignorance on his sleeve. I'm sure you ignore the experts in other fields too, such as medicine for example | |||
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"Well I'm probably quite unique on this forum as I'm neither a 'leaver' or a 'remainer' However when it comes to lies and embarrassing statements - The three stand out statements (As reported in the Spanish Press) have to be ....... 1st place - David Cameron for predicting the 3rd World War and the beginning of the end of Western Civilisation In 2nd place to Barack Ombama for predicting the UK would go to the back of the queue for trade with the US 3rd place - David Beckham for telling you "Britain is better in Europe" after moving to the States a year earlier - (In his words) "To give my kids a better chance" I've often listened to arguments about misleading figures on a bus but that slogan didn't really catch the interest or imagination of the Spanish press - Well not compared to a 3rd World War and an end to Western Civilisation! Lol And lastly - just an observation Obama blatantly tried to influence your referendum at Cameron's request but that little fact gets overlooked - Instead there seems to be a preference to believe Putin influenced your result - That one still baffles me? It is only baffling if you don't bother to read further than the headlines. But it it interesting what you say the Spanish press have been reporting on the matter. Did they not cover the Brexit bus, or Farage saying that we'd have the population of Turkey enter our country if we remain? -Matt" No - interpreting the meaning of a slogan on a bus slips into insignificance with the Spanish press, especially when compared to your ex-leader, threatening the planets population with a 3rd 'World' War and an end to Civilisation The operative word being 'World' - If you didnt notice - that statement includes the other 7 billion people living outside your island A ridiculous statement it might have been but not only did the international press (including Spain) prick their ears up but had a field-day reporting it | |||
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"Well I'm probably quite unique on this forum as I'm neither a 'leaver' or a 'remainer' However when it comes to lies and embarrassing statements - The three stand out statements (As reported in the Spanish Press) have to be ....... 1st place - David Cameron for predicting the 3rd World War and the beginning of the end of Western Civilisation In 2nd place to Barack Ombama for predicting the UK would go to the back of the queue for trade with the US 3rd place - David Beckham for telling you "Britain is better in Europe" after moving to the States a year earlier - (In his words) "To give my kids a better chance" I've often listened to arguments about misleading figures on a bus but that slogan didn't really catch the interest or imagination of the Spanish press - Well not compared to a 3rd World War and an end to Western Civilisation! Lol And lastly - just an observation Obama blatantly tried to influence your referendum at Cameron's request but that little fact gets overlooked - Instead there seems to be a preference to believe Putin influenced your result - That one still baffles me? It is only baffling if you don't bother to read further than the headlines. But it it interesting what you say the Spanish press have been reporting on the matter. Did they not cover the Brexit bus, or Farage saying that we'd have the population of Turkey enter our country if we remain? -Matt" No - interpreting the meaning of a slogan on a bus slips into insignificance with the Spanish press, especially when compared to your ex-leader, threatening the planets population with a 3rd 'World' War and an end to Civilisation The operative word being 'World' - If you didnt notice - that statement includes the other 7 billion people living outside your island A ridiculous statement it might have been but not only did the international press (including Spain) prick their ears up but had a field-day reporting it | |||
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"Well I'm probably quite unique on this forum as I'm neither a 'leaver' or a 'remainer' However when it comes to lies and embarrassing statements - The three stand out statements (As reported in the Spanish Press) have to be ....... 1st place - David Cameron for predicting the 3rd World War and the beginning of the end of Western Civilisation In 2nd place to Barack Ombama for predicting the UK would go to the back of the queue for trade with the US 3rd place - David Beckham for telling you "Britain is better in Europe" after moving to the States a year earlier - (In his words) "To give my kids a better chance" I've often listened to arguments about misleading figures on a bus but that slogan didn't really catch the interest or imagination of the Spanish press - Well not compared to a 3rd World War and an end to Western Civilisation! Lol And lastly - just an observation Obama blatantly tried to influence your referendum at Cameron's request but that little fact gets overlooked - Instead there seems to be a preference to believe Putin influenced your result - That one still baffles me? " I call bullshit on your post. David Cameron did not predict 3rd World War and the beginning of the end of Western Civilisation - however that was reported in certain comics in the UK that purport to be newspapers. He actually said what any leader of any EU country could legitimately have said. The EU has provided peace and stability amongs its members and any breakup of the EU will make Europe less stable. This is a fact. If you want proof of how this could easily come about look at the language now being used by rabid Brexiters in this country and imagine that on a larger scale and involving other countries... "The hated EU, the corrupt liars, the fascist EU, the despised EU parliament" etc etc Spain itself does not have to look too far back to remember how hostilities and antagonistic relations with and amongst near neighbours is very damaging. | |||
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"Well I'm probably quite unique on this forum as I'm neither a 'leaver' or a 'remainer' However when it comes to lies and embarrassing statements - The three stand out statements (As reported in the Spanish Press) have to be ....... 1st place - David Cameron for predicting the 3rd World War and the beginning of the end of Western Civilisation In 2nd place to Barack Ombama for predicting the UK would go to the back of the queue for trade with the US 3rd place - David Beckham for telling you "Britain is better in Europe" after moving to the States a year earlier - (In his words) "To give my kids a better chance" I've often listened to arguments about misleading figures on a bus but that slogan didn't really catch the interest or imagination of the Spanish press - Well not compared to a 3rd World War and an end to Western Civilisation! Lol And lastly - just an observation Obama blatantly tried to influence your referendum at Cameron's request but that little fact gets overlooked - Instead there seems to be a preference to believe Putin influenced your result - That one still baffles me? " Oh didn't you know, Golden Boy Obama can do no wrong in the eyes of some on here, LOL. It's perfectly fine and dandy for the USA and Obama to interfere in other countries elections/referendums as long as it's Obama and the Democrats doing it. No hypocrisy to see what so ever. | |||
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"Well I'm probably quite unique on this forum as I'm neither a 'leaver' or a 'remainer' However when it comes to lies and embarrassing statements - The three stand out statements (As reported in the Spanish Press) have to be ....... 1st place - David Cameron for predicting the 3rd World War and the beginning of the end of Western Civilisation In 2nd place to Barack Ombama for predicting the UK would go to the back of the queue for trade with the US 3rd place - David Beckham for telling you "Britain is better in Europe" after moving to the States a year earlier - (In his words) "To give my kids a better chance" I've often listened to arguments about misleading figures on a bus but that slogan didn't really catch the interest or imagination of the Spanish press - Well not compared to a 3rd World War and an end to Western Civilisation! Lol And lastly - just an observation Obama blatantly tried to influence your referendum at Cameron's request but that little fact gets overlooked - Instead there seems to be a preference to believe Putin influenced your result - That one still baffles me? Oh didn't you know, Golden Boy Obama can do no wrong in the eyes of some on here, LOL. It's perfectly fine and dandy for the USA and Obama to interfere in other countries elections/referendums as long as it's Obama and the Democrats doing it. No hypocrisy to see what so ever. "Bullshit as usual...this is what he said 'Influence' Speaking at a joint press conference with Mr Obama, Prime Minister David Cameron said being a member of the EU strengthened Britain's "special relationship". On the UK's upcoming referendum on its EU membership, he said: "This is our choice - nobody else's - the sovereign choice of the British people - but as we make that choice, it surely makes sense to listen to what our friends think." Mr Obama said: "The UK is at its best when it's helping to lead a strong European Union. It leverages UK power to be part of the EU. I don't think the EU moderates British influence in the world, it magnifies it. "America wants Britain's influence to grow, including within Europe." On whether he should be intervening on the UK's referendum, he said: "Let me be clear: ultimately this is something the British voters have to decide for themselves. "As part of our special relationship, part of being friends is to be honest and to let you know what I think, and speaking honestly, the outcome of that decision is a matter of deep interest to the US, because it affects our prosperity as well." | |||
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Bullshit as usual...this is what he said
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Speaking at a joint press conference with Mr Obama, Prime Minister David Cameron said being a member of the EU strengthened Britain's "special relationship".
On the UK's upcoming referendum on its EU membership, he said: "This is our choice - nobody else's - the sovereign choice of the British people - but as we make that choice, it surely makes sense to listen to what our friends think."
Mr Obama said: "The UK is at its best when it's helping to lead a strong European Union. It leverages UK power to be part of the EU. I don't think the EU moderates British influence in the world, it magnifies it.
"America wants Britain's influence to grow, including within Europe."
On whether he should be intervening on the UK's referendum, he said: "Let me be clear: ultimately this is something the British voters have to decide for themselves.
"As part of our special relationship, part of being friends is to be honest and to let you know what I think, and speaking honestly, the outcome of that decision is a matter of deep interest to the US, because it affects our prosperity as well."
"Fact is Obama is a has been and is now irrelevant. Donald Trump backed Brexit and is the current President of the USA and will be for years to come You like quotes how about when Donald Trump President of the United States said "The UK has made a really smart decision to get out (of the EU)". | |||
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"So one of the leading lights in the pro brexit camp the Right Honourable John Redwood MP who has been demanding that the Treasury and Bank of England start making positive forecasts for the post brexit UK economy and stop talking down Briton has been privately advising all his clients to sell all their UK holdings and get their money out of sterling and the UK... Well we know that most of the cabinet have their money in offshore tax havens, could it be that they are also moving their wealth out of the UK to avoid the economic shit-storm that is brexit while telling us not to worry that everything will be great. Could brexit be the deliberate destabilisation of Briton by the tory elite in order to profit from the collapse they engineered? Is this the perfect example of social political conditioning to profit from disaster economics by the elite?" tis what i said five posts previously | |||
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"Well I'm probably quite unique on this forum as I'm neither a 'leaver' or a 'remainer' However when it comes to lies and embarrassing statements - The three stand out statements (As reported in the Spanish Press) have to be ....... 1st place - David Cameron for predicting the 3rd World War and the beginning of the end of Western Civilisation In 2nd place to Barack Ombama for predicting the UK would go to the back of the queue for trade with the US 3rd place - David Beckham for telling you "Britain is better in Europe" after moving to the States a year earlier - (In his words) "To give my kids a better chance" I've often listened to arguments about misleading figures on a bus but that slogan didn't really catch the interest or imagination of the Spanish press - Well not compared to a 3rd World War and an end to Western Civilisation! Lol And lastly - just an observation Obama blatantly tried to influence your referendum at Cameron's request but that little fact gets overlooked - Instead there seems to be a preference to believe Putin influenced your result - That one still baffles me? Oh didn't you know, Golden Boy Obama can do no wrong in the eyes of some on here, LOL. It's perfectly fine and dandy for the USA and Obama to interfere in other countries elections/referendums as long as it's Obama and the Democrats doing it. No hypocrisy to see what so ever.
Bullshit as usual...this is what he said
'Influence'
Speaking at a joint press conference with Mr Obama, Prime Minister David Cameron said being a member of the EU strengthened Britain's "special relationship".
On the UK's upcoming referendum on its EU membership, he said: "This is our choice - nobody else's - the sovereign choice of the British people - but as we make that choice, it surely makes sense to listen to what our friends think."
Mr Obama said: "The UK is at its best when it's helping to lead a strong European Union. It leverages UK power to be part of the EU. I don't think the EU moderates British influence in the world, it magnifies it.
"America wants Britain's influence to grow, including within Europe."
On whether he should be intervening on the UK's referendum, he said: "Let me be clear: ultimately this is something the British voters have to decide for themselves.
"As part of our special relationship, part of being friends is to be honest and to let you know what I think, and speaking honestly, the outcome of that decision is a matter of deep interest to the US, because it affects our prosperity as well."
Fact is Obama is a has been and is now irrelevant. Donald Trump backed Brexit and is the current President of the USA and will be for years to come You like quotes how about when Donald Trump President of the United States said "The UK has made a really smart decision to get out (of the EU)". "Then why mention him and say hes irreverent | |||
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" Then why mention him and say hes irreverent "doh!!! | |||
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" And lastly - just an observation Obama blatantly tried to influence your referendum at Cameron's request but that little fact gets overlooked - Instead there seems to be a preference to believe Putin influenced your result - That one still baffles me? " You dont understand why theres a difference between Obama publicly saying I think Britain should stay in the EU but thats just my opinion as compared to Putin organising and funding an unannounced, clandestine disinformation campaign designed to isolate and weaken the UK and divide and weaken Europe as well as stir up tensions within the UK. You cant see the difference there can you? One being open and honest about his opinion and one hiding in the shadows and peddling lies to the easily manipulated, taking advantage of the gullible and less educated by trying to convince them to do something he thinks will harm them. | |||
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"Well I'm probably quite unique on this forum as I'm neither a 'leaver' or a 'remainer' However when it comes to lies and embarrassing statements - The three stand out statements (As reported in the Spanish Press) have to be ....... 1st place - David Cameron for predicting the 3rd World War and the beginning of the end of Western Civilisation In 2nd place to Barack Ombama for predicting the UK would go to the back of the queue for trade with the US 3rd place - David Beckham for telling you "Britain is better in Europe" after moving to the States a year earlier - (In his words) "To give my kids a better chance" I've often listened to arguments about misleading figures on a bus but that slogan didn't really catch the interest or imagination of the Spanish press - Well not compared to a 3rd World War and an end to Western Civilisation! Lol And lastly - just an observation Obama blatantly tried to influence your referendum at Cameron's request but that little fact gets overlooked - Instead there seems to be a preference to believe Putin influenced your result - That one still baffles me? Oh didn't you know, Golden Boy Obama can do no wrong in the eyes of some on here, LOL. It's perfectly fine and dandy for the USA and Obama to interfere in other countries elections/referendums as long as it's Obama and the Democrats doing it. No hypocrisy to see what so ever.
Bullshit as usual...this is what he said
'Influence'
Speaking at a joint press conference with Mr Obama, Prime Minister David Cameron said being a member of the EU strengthened Britain's "special relationship".
On the UK's upcoming referendum on its EU membership, he said: "This is our choice - nobody else's - the sovereign choice of the British people - but as we make that choice, it surely makes sense to listen to what our friends think."
Mr Obama said: "The UK is at its best when it's helping to lead a strong European Union. It leverages UK power to be part of the EU. I don't think the EU moderates British influence in the world, it magnifies it.
"America wants Britain's influence to grow, including within Europe."
On whether he should be intervening on the UK's referendum, he said: "Let me be clear: ultimately this is something the British voters have to decide for themselves.
"As part of our special relationship, part of being friends is to be honest and to let you know what I think, and speaking honestly, the outcome of that decision is a matter of deep interest to the US, because it affects our prosperity as well."
Fact is Obama is a has been and is now irrelevant. Donald Trump backed Brexit and is the current President of the USA and will be for years to come You like quotes how about when Donald Trump President of the United States said "The UK has made a really smart decision to get out (of the EU)".
Then why mention him and say hes irreverent "I didn't bring Obama into the thread someone else did. Try to engage your brain before you type words out on your keyboard. | |||
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"Well I'm probably quite unique on this forum as I'm neither a 'leaver' or a 'remainer' However when it comes to lies and embarrassing statements - The three stand out statements (As reported in the Spanish Press) have to be ....... 1st place - David Cameron for predicting the 3rd World War and the beginning of the end of Western Civilisation In 2nd place to Barack Ombama for predicting the UK would go to the back of the queue for trade with the US 3rd place - David Beckham for telling you "Britain is better in Europe" after moving to the States a year earlier - (In his words) "To give my kids a better chance" I've often listened to arguments about misleading figures on a bus but that slogan didn't really catch the interest or imagination of the Spanish press - Well not compared to a 3rd World War and an end to Western Civilisation! Lol And lastly - just an observation Obama blatantly tried to influence your referendum at Cameron's request but that little fact gets overlooked - Instead there seems to be a preference to believe Putin influenced your result - That one still baffles me? Oh didn't you know, Golden Boy Obama can do no wrong in the eyes of some on here, LOL. It's perfectly fine and dandy for the USA and Obama to interfere in other countries elections/referendums as long as it's Obama and the Democrats doing it. No hypocrisy to see what so ever.
Bullshit as usual...this is what he said
'Influence'
Speaking at a joint press conference with Mr Obama, Prime Minister David Cameron said being a member of the EU strengthened Britain's "special relationship".
On the UK's upcoming referendum on its EU membership, he said: "This is our choice - nobody else's - the sovereign choice of the British people - but as we make that choice, it surely makes sense to listen to what our friends think."
Mr Obama said: "The UK is at its best when it's helping to lead a strong European Union. It leverages UK power to be part of the EU. I don't think the EU moderates British influence in the world, it magnifies it.
"America wants Britain's influence to grow, including within Europe."
On whether he should be intervening on the UK's referendum, he said: "Let me be clear: ultimately this is something the British voters have to decide for themselves.
"As part of our special relationship, part of being friends is to be honest and to let you know what I think, and speaking honestly, the outcome of that decision is a matter of deep interest to the US, because it affects our prosperity as well."
Fact is Obama is a has been and is now irrelevant. Donald Trump backed Brexit and is the current President of the USA and will be for years to come You like quotes how about when Donald Trump President of the United States said "The UK has made a really smart decision to get out (of the EU)".
Then why mention him and say hes irreverent
I didn't bring Obama into the thread someone else did. Try to engage your brain before you type words out on your keyboard. "But you did doh | |||
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"Well I'm probably quite unique on this forum as I'm neither a 'leaver' or a 'remainer' However when it comes to lies and embarrassing statements - The three stand out statements (As reported in the Spanish Press) have to be ....... 1st place - David Cameron for predicting the 3rd World War and the beginning of the end of Western Civilisation In 2nd place to Barack Ombama for predicting the UK would go to the back of the queue for trade with the US 3rd place - David Beckham for telling you "Britain is better in Europe" after moving to the States a year earlier - (In his words) "To give my kids a better chance" I've often listened to arguments about misleading figures on a bus but that slogan didn't really catch the interest or imagination of the Spanish press - Well not compared to a 3rd World War and an end to Western Civilisation! Lol And lastly - just an observation Obama blatantly tried to influence your referendum at Cameron's request but that little fact gets overlooked - Instead there seems to be a preference to believe Putin influenced your result - That one still baffles me? Oh didn't you know, Golden Boy Obama can do no wrong in the eyes of some on here, LOL. It's perfectly fine and dandy for the USA and Obama to interfere in other countries elections/referendums as long as it's Obama and the Democrats doing it. No hypocrisy to see what so ever.
Bullshit as usual...this is what he said
'Influence'
Speaking at a joint press conference with Mr Obama, Prime Minister David Cameron said being a member of the EU strengthened Britain's "special relationship".
On the UK's upcoming referendum on its EU membership, he said: "This is our choice - nobody else's - the sovereign choice of the British people - but as we make that choice, it surely makes sense to listen to what our friends think."
Mr Obama said: "The UK is at its best when it's helping to lead a strong European Union. It leverages UK power to be part of the EU. I don't think the EU moderates British influence in the world, it magnifies it.
"America wants Britain's influence to grow, including within Europe."
On whether he should be intervening on the UK's referendum, he said: "Let me be clear: ultimately this is something the British voters have to decide for themselves.
"As part of our special relationship, part of being friends is to be honest and to let you know what I think, and speaking honestly, the outcome of that decision is a matter of deep interest to the US, because it affects our prosperity as well."
Fact is Obama is a has been and is now irrelevant. Donald Trump backed Brexit and is the current President of the USA and will be for years to come You like quotes how about when Donald Trump President of the United States said "The UK has made a really smart decision to get out (of the EU)".
Then why mention him and say hes irreverent
I didn't bring Obama into the thread someone else did. Try to engage your brain before you type words out on your keyboard.
But you did doh "Go back and read the thread from the beginning, I think you'll find I didn't. Oh and Obama is STILL an irrelevant has been. | |||
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"Well I'm probably quite unique on this forum as I'm neither a 'leaver' or a 'remainer' However when it comes to lies and embarrassing statements - The three stand out statements (As reported in the Spanish Press) have to be ....... 1st place - David Cameron for predicting the 3rd World War and the beginning of the end of Western Civilisation In 2nd place to Barack Ombama for predicting the UK would go to the back of the queue for trade with the US 3rd place - David Beckham for telling you "Britain is better in Europe" after moving to the States a year earlier - (In his words) "To give my kids a better chance" I've often listened to arguments about misleading figures on a bus but that slogan didn't really catch the interest or imagination of the Spanish press - Well not compared to a 3rd World War and an end to Western Civilisation! Lol And lastly - just an observation Obama blatantly tried to influence your referendum at Cameron's request but that little fact gets overlooked - Instead there seems to be a preference to believe Putin influenced your result - That one still baffles me? Oh didn't you know, Golden Boy Obama can do no wrong in the eyes of some on here, LOL. It's perfectly fine and dandy for the USA and Obama to interfere in other countries elections/referendums as long as it's Obama and the Democrats doing it. No hypocrisy to see what so ever.
Bullshit as usual...this is what he said
'Influence'
Speaking at a joint press conference with Mr Obama, Prime Minister David Cameron said being a member of the EU strengthened Britain's "special relationship".
On the UK's upcoming referendum on its EU membership, he said: "This is our choice - nobody else's - the sovereign choice of the British people - but as we make that choice, it surely makes sense to listen to what our friends think."
Mr Obama said: "The UK is at its best when it's helping to lead a strong European Union. It leverages UK power to be part of the EU. I don't think the EU moderates British influence in the world, it magnifies it.
"America wants Britain's influence to grow, including within Europe."
On whether he should be intervening on the UK's referendum, he said: "Let me be clear: ultimately this is something the British voters have to decide for themselves.
"As part of our special relationship, part of being friends is to be honest and to let you know what I think, and speaking honestly, the outcome of that decision is a matter of deep interest to the US, because it affects our prosperity as well."
Fact is Obama is a has been and is now irrelevant. Donald Trump backed Brexit and is the current President of the USA and will be for years to come You like quotes how about when Donald Trump President of the United States said "The UK has made a really smart decision to get out (of the EU)". "God you talk some crap mind you you have to convince yourself | |||
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"OP, apart from the fact that you like what these guys say, why do you believe them, rather than other economists who say the opposite? Are you able to critically analyse their research methodologies? Because they've been proven right so far over Brexit. The economists on the opposite side you have put your faith in have so far been proven wrong. OK, what specifically (please provide links in line with forum rules if possible) did they predict before the referendum that has happened? Whereas your experts predicted; there would be an immediate and deep recession That house prices would drop by 10% That 800,000 jobs would be lost Western political civilization would be destroyed It would cause a world war Am immediate £30 Billion emergency tax raising budget The EU did not want a centrally controlled army None of which has come to pass. Having said that, they also said, The pound was up to 20% overvalued, For 2 years before the referendum that inflation would rise, And for a couple of years before the referendum that interest rates would go up. Prove it, give us a link. I bet you can't!
So all the above you're now denying? Wow!
As you've said many times before, try google.
Treasury report of May before referendum on the immediate impact of leaving the EU, where the executive summary by George Osborne specifically states "the immediate effect of a vote to leave".
Several letters from the governor of the bank of England to George Osborne.
George Osborne, again, re: emergency budget.
IMF, OECD, BoE reports on value of sterling from 3 months before the referendum (you can also find it in full fact).
And for the rest look up various quotes from juncker, tusk, verhofstat, Cameron et al.
So no link to an economist or group of economists who said all the things you listed then? Including "Western political civilization would be destroyed" and "It would cause a world war"? That's a big fucking surprise isn't it?! Yet another Epic Fail from JandS!
I said your experts....
Which include Cameron, Osborne, Juncker, Verhofstat, Tusk, etc.
So you don't deny anything else then? I'd say that's yet another epic fail by CLCC.
So still no link with one person or group saying that then? FAIL! "So you argue about the non-economic parts of what I said, but don't deny the economic parts? And as fir a link with one person or group? I've given you several persons or groups! | |||
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" Or you could say the UK economy has remained in positive growth territory since the vote to leave, even though all the experts in the remain camp predicted we would fall into a deep recession after a vote to leave. Considering what your remain experts predicted we are doing a damn sight better and have outperformed by far their expectations. 1) A50 was not triggered immediately after the referendum as was suggested in the referendum. 2) The Conservatives abandoned their policies to balance the books by 2020 in order to stimulate the economy. 3) Massive QE by the BoE. Ignoring these three factual events is just further evidence that you are blinded by confirmation bias. Simply acknowledging that actions took place to mitigate the negative effects of the Brexit vote would add more weight to the arguments of those people who think that Brexit will be “good in the end.”" the treasury report on the immediate economic impact of a vote to leave the EU was published before Cameron said he would trigger article 50 straight away. 60 Billion QE by the BoE, compared to 60 Billion A MONTH by the European Central Bank. | |||
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"He wont or any of the brexiters will provide any sources....because as they know and we know there any any...that survey he mentions is akin to the 350mil on the side of the bus
Anyone with a computer or a smart phone and working Internet access should be able to easily find the report mentioned in the OP using an Internet search engine. Although maybe that's just too difficult a task for some on here?
I did and I showed how it was a complete waste of time because the assumptions they made and based their prediction on were ludicruous. The only reason to go to the effort to looking up this report is to indulge in the schaedenfreude of seeing how pitiful Brexitears are in their desperation to grasp at any straw that might help them avoid admitting they f**ked their country over. Anyone resident in the UK will have given considerable thought to all the issues concerned and weighted up both the pros and cons of the EU.
The majority have concluded that the amount we pay in does not justify what we get out . It is bizarre that we should be the third largest contributor and be expected to subsidize Lots of other countries.
The performance of the UK economy since the referendum indicates that we appear to have made the right decision and have nothing to lose .
It will be interesting to see how the EU will make up this £8 billion annual loss to their revenue.
Our growth has gone from the highest in the EU to the lowest. The performance of the UK economy shows we made the Wrong decision and we have £billions to lose, houses to lose, jobs to lose, services to lose, skilled workers to lose and much more.
Or you could say the UK economy has remained in positive growth territory since the vote to leave, even though all the experts in the remain camp predicted we would fall into a deep recession after a vote to leave. Considering what your remain experts predicted we are doing a damn sight better and have outperformed by far their expectations.
Well unless you can state what your experts said the growth rate would be, we can't actually tell who's prediction was more accurate. Despite being asked this several times, you still haven't been able or willing to tell us exactly what their growth predictions were, or even if they predicted the massive decline in growth.
I answered your question on this earlier in the thread. The economists for Brexit said the UK economy would continue to grow after a vote to leave, which it has done.
Vindicated and proven correct, thank you very much. "Whereas the remain economic experts said it would contract by up to 6% immediately following a vote to leave (not after triggering A50, or actually leaving)..... And that there would be 4 consecutive quarters of negative growth. | |||
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" Or you could say the UK economy has remained in positive growth territory since the vote to leave, even though all the experts in the remain camp predicted we would fall into a deep recession after a vote to leave. Considering what your remain experts predicted we are doing a damn sight better and have outperformed by far their expectations. 1) A50 was not triggered immediately after the referendum as was suggested in the referendum. 2) The Conservatives abandoned their policies to balance the books by 2020 in order to stimulate the economy. 3) Massive QE by the BoE. Ignoring these three factual events is just further evidence that you are blinded by confirmation bias. Simply acknowledging that actions took place to mitigate the negative effects of the Brexit vote would add more weight to the arguments of those people who think that Brexit will be “good in the end.” the treasury report on the immediate economic impact of a vote to leave the EU was published before Cameron said he would trigger article 50 straight away. 60 Billion QE by the BoE, compared to 60 Billion A MONTH by the European Central Bank. " You deny the need for a £30bn budget, but admit £60bn of QE!
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"Well I'm probably quite unique on this forum as I'm neither a 'leaver' or a 'remainer' However when it comes to lies and embarrassing statements - The three stand out statements (As reported in the Spanish Press) have to be ....... 1st place - David Cameron for predicting the 3rd World War and the beginning of the end of Western Civilisation In 2nd place to Barack Ombama for predicting the UK would go to the back of the queue for trade with the US 3rd place - David Beckham for telling you "Britain is better in Europe" after moving to the States a year earlier - (In his words) "To give my kids a better chance" I've often listened to arguments about misleading figures on a bus but that slogan didn't really catch the interest or imagination of the Spanish press - Well not compared to a 3rd World War and an end to Western Civilisation! Lol And lastly - just an observation Obama blatantly tried to influence your referendum at Cameron's request but that little fact gets overlooked - Instead there seems to be a preference to believe Putin influenced your result - That one still baffles me? Oh didn't you know, Golden Boy Obama can do no wrong in the eyes of some on here, LOL. It's perfectly fine and dandy for the USA and Obama to interfere in other countries elections/referendums as long as it's Obama and the Democrats doing it. No hypocrisy to see what so ever.
Bullshit as usual...this is what he said
'Influence'
Speaking at a joint press conference with Mr Obama, Prime Minister David Cameron said being a member of the EU strengthened Britain's "special relationship".
On the UK's upcoming referendum on its EU membership, he said: "This is our choice - nobody else's - the sovereign choice of the British people - but as we make that choice, it surely makes sense to listen to what our friends think."
Mr Obama said: "The UK is at its best when it's helping to lead a strong European Union. It leverages UK power to be part of the EU. I don't think the EU moderates British influence in the world, it magnifies it.
"America wants Britain's influence to grow, including within Europe."
On whether he should be intervening on the UK's referendum, he said: "Let me be clear: ultimately this is something the British voters have to decide for themselves.
"As part of our special relationship, part of being friends is to be honest and to let you know what I think, and speaking honestly, the outcome of that decision is a matter of deep interest to the US, because it affects our prosperity as well."
Fact is Obama is a has been and is now irrelevant. Donald Trump backed Brexit and is the current President of the USA and will be for years to come You like quotes how about when Donald Trump President of the United States said "The UK has made a really smart decision to get out (of the EU)".
Then why mention him and say hes irreverent
I didn't bring Obama into the thread someone else did. Try to engage your brain before you type words out on your keyboard.
But you did doh "To be fair It was me who brought up Obama I was just pointing out - He (at the request of Cameron) directly and openly tried to influence the outcome of your referendum | |||
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"He wont or any of the brexiters will provide any sources....because as they know and we know there any any...that survey he mentions is akin to the 350mil on the side of the bus
Anyone with a computer or a smart phone and working Internet access should be able to easily find the report mentioned in the OP using an Internet search engine. Although maybe that's just too difficult a task for some on here?
I did and I showed how it was a complete waste of time because the assumptions they made and based their prediction on were ludicruous. The only reason to go to the effort to looking up this report is to indulge in the schaedenfreude of seeing how pitiful Brexitears are in their desperation to grasp at any straw that might help them avoid admitting they f**ked their country over. Anyone resident in the UK will have given considerable thought to all the issues concerned and weighted up both the pros and cons of the EU.
The majority have concluded that the amount we pay in does not justify what we get out . It is bizarre that we should be the third largest contributor and be expected to subsidize Lots of other countries.
The performance of the UK economy since the referendum indicates that we appear to have made the right decision and have nothing to lose .
It will be interesting to see how the EU will make up this £8 billion annual loss to their revenue.
Our growth has gone from the highest in the EU to the lowest. The performance of the UK economy shows we made the Wrong decision and we have £billions to lose, houses to lose, jobs to lose, services to lose, skilled workers to lose and much more.
Or you could say the UK economy has remained in positive growth territory since the vote to leave, even though all the experts in the remain camp predicted we would fall into a deep recession after a vote to leave. Considering what your remain experts predicted we are doing a damn sight better and have outperformed by far their expectations.
Well unless you can state what your experts said the growth rate would be, we can't actually tell who's prediction was more accurate. Despite being asked this several times, you still haven't been able or willing to tell us exactly what their growth predictions were, or even if they predicted the massive decline in growth.
I answered your question on this earlier in the thread. The economists for Brexit said the UK economy would continue to grow after a vote to leave, which it has done.
Vindicated and proven correct, thank you very much.
Whereas the remain economic experts said it would contract by up to 6% immediately following a vote to leave (not after triggering A50, or actually leaving)..... And that there would be 4 consecutive quarters of negative growth."You have said yourself that Cameron said article 50 would be triggered the next day!
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"He wont or any of the brexiters will provide any sources....because as they know and we know there any any...that survey he mentions is akin to the 350mil on the side of the bus
Anyone with a computer or a smart phone and working Internet access should be able to easily find the report mentioned in the OP using an Internet search engine. Although maybe that's just too difficult a task for some on here?
I did and I showed how it was a complete waste of time because the assumptions they made and based their prediction on were ludicruous. The only reason to go to the effort to looking up this report is to indulge in the schaedenfreude of seeing how pitiful Brexitears are in their desperation to grasp at any straw that might help them avoid admitting they f**ked their country over. Anyone resident in the UK will have given considerable thought to all the issues concerned and weighted up both the pros and cons of the EU.
The majority have concluded that the amount we pay in does not justify what we get out . It is bizarre that we should be the third largest contributor and be expected to subsidize Lots of other countries.
The performance of the UK economy since the referendum indicates that we appear to have made the right decision and have nothing to lose .
It will be interesting to see how the EU will make up this £8 billion annual loss to their revenue.
Our growth has gone from the highest in the EU to the lowest. The performance of the UK economy shows we made the Wrong decision and we have £billions to lose, houses to lose, jobs to lose, services to lose, skilled workers to lose and much more.
Or you could say the UK economy has remained in positive growth territory since the vote to leave, even though all the experts in the remain camp predicted we would fall into a deep recession after a vote to leave. Considering what your remain experts predicted we are doing a damn sight better and have outperformed by far their expectations.
Well unless you can state what your experts said the growth rate would be, we can't actually tell who's prediction was more accurate. Despite being asked this several times, you still haven't been able or willing to tell us exactly what their growth predictions were, or even if they predicted the massive decline in growth.
I answered your question on this earlier in the thread. The economists for Brexit said the UK economy would continue to grow after a vote to leave, which it has done.
Vindicated and proven correct, thank you very much.
Whereas the remain economic experts said it would contract by up to 6% immediately following a vote to leave (not after triggering A50, or actually leaving)..... And that there would be 4 consecutive quarters of negative growth.
You have said yourself that Cameron said article 50 would be triggered the next day!
EPIC FAIL! "So the experts based their assumptions on the triggering of a50 well up till now they are at least nine months wrong so its them with the epic fail | |||
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"He wont or any of the brexiters will provide any sources....because as they know and we know there any any...that survey he mentions is akin to the 350mil on the side of the bus
Anyone with a computer or a smart phone and working Internet access should be able to easily find the report mentioned in the OP using an Internet search engine. Although maybe that's just too difficult a task for some on here?
I did and I showed how it was a complete waste of time because the assumptions they made and based their prediction on were ludicruous. The only reason to go to the effort to looking up this report is to indulge in the schaedenfreude of seeing how pitiful Brexitears are in their desperation to grasp at any straw that might help them avoid admitting they f**ked their country over. Anyone resident in the UK will have given considerable thought to all the issues concerned and weighted up both the pros and cons of the EU.
The majority have concluded that the amount we pay in does not justify what we get out . It is bizarre that we should be the third largest contributor and be expected to subsidize Lots of other countries.
The performance of the UK economy since the referendum indicates that we appear to have made the right decision and have nothing to lose .
It will be interesting to see how the EU will make up this £8 billion annual loss to their revenue.
Our growth has gone from the highest in the EU to the lowest. The performance of the UK economy shows we made the Wrong decision and we have £billions to lose, houses to lose, jobs to lose, services to lose, skilled workers to lose and much more.
Or you could say the UK economy has remained in positive growth territory since the vote to leave, even though all the experts in the remain camp predicted we would fall into a deep recession after a vote to leave. Considering what your remain experts predicted we are doing a damn sight better and have outperformed by far their expectations.
Well unless you can state what your experts said the growth rate would be, we can't actually tell who's prediction was more accurate. Despite being asked this several times, you still haven't been able or willing to tell us exactly what their growth predictions were, or even if they predicted the massive decline in growth.
I answered your question on this earlier in the thread. The economists for Brexit said the UK economy would continue to grow after a vote to leave, which it has done.
Vindicated and proven correct, thank you very much.
Whereas the remain economic experts said it would contract by up to 6% immediately following a vote to leave (not after triggering A50, or actually leaving)..... And that there would be 4 consecutive quarters of negative growth.
You have said yourself that Cameron said article 50 would be triggered the next day!
EPIC FAIL!
So the experts based their assumptions on the triggering of a50 well up till now they are at least nine months wrong so its them with the epic fail"Yeah, stupid buggars based their assessments on what the government said they would do! | |||
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"He wont or any of the brexiters will provide any sources....because as they know and we know there any any...that survey he mentions is akin to the 350mil on the side of the bus
Anyone with a computer or a smart phone and working Internet access should be able to easily find the report mentioned in the OP using an Internet search engine. Although maybe that's just too difficult a task for some on here?
I did and I showed how it was a complete waste of time because the assumptions they made and based their prediction on were ludicruous. The only reason to go to the effort to looking up this report is to indulge in the schaedenfreude of seeing how pitiful Brexitears are in their desperation to grasp at any straw that might help them avoid admitting they f**ked their country over. Anyone resident in the UK will have given considerable thought to all the issues concerned and weighted up both the pros and cons of the EU.
The majority have concluded that the amount we pay in does not justify what we get out . It is bizarre that we should be the third largest contributor and be expected to subsidize Lots of other countries.
The performance of the UK economy since the referendum indicates that we appear to have made the right decision and have nothing to lose .
It will be interesting to see how the EU will make up this £8 billion annual loss to their revenue.
Our growth has gone from the highest in the EU to the lowest. The performance of the UK economy shows we made the Wrong decision and we have £billions to lose, houses to lose, jobs to lose, services to lose, skilled workers to lose and much more.
Or you could say the UK economy has remained in positive growth territory since the vote to leave, even though all the experts in the remain camp predicted we would fall into a deep recession after a vote to leave. Considering what your remain experts predicted we are doing a damn sight better and have outperformed by far their expectations.
Well unless you can state what your experts said the growth rate would be, we can't actually tell who's prediction was more accurate. Despite being asked this several times, you still haven't been able or willing to tell us exactly what their growth predictions were, or even if they predicted the massive decline in growth.
I answered your question on this earlier in the thread. The economists for Brexit said the UK economy would continue to grow after a vote to leave, which it has done.
Vindicated and proven correct, thank you very much.
Whereas the remain economic experts said it would contract by up to 6% immediately following a vote to leave (not after triggering A50, or actually leaving)..... And that there would be 4 consecutive quarters of negative growth.
You have said yourself that Cameron said article 50 would be triggered the next day!
EPIC FAIL!
So the experts based their assumptions on the triggering of a50 well up till now they are at least nine months wrong so its them with the epic fail
Yeah, stupid buggars based their assessments on what the government said they would do!"The country voted to Leave - No recession. Article 50 was triggered - still no recession. Epic fail on both counts by the remain scaremongers. | |||
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"Well I'm probably quite unique on this forum as I'm neither a 'leaver' or a 'remainer' However when it comes to lies and embarrassing statements - The three stand out statements (As reported in the Spanish Press) have to be ....... 1st place - David Cameron for predicting the 3rd World War and the beginning of the end of Western Civilisation In 2nd place to Barack Ombama for predicting the UK would go to the back of the queue for trade with the US 3rd place - David Beckham for telling you "Britain is better in Europe" after moving to the States a year earlier - (In his words) "To give my kids a better chance" I've often listened to arguments about misleading figures on a bus but that slogan didn't really catch the interest or imagination of the Spanish press - Well not compared to a 3rd World War and an end to Western Civilisation! Lol And lastly - just an observation Obama blatantly tried to influence your referendum at Cameron's request but that little fact gets overlooked - Instead there seems to be a preference to believe Putin influenced your result - That one still baffles me? I call bullshit on your post. David Cameron did not predict 3rd World War and the beginning of the end of Western Civilisation - however that was reported in certain comics in the UK that purport to be newspapers. He actually said what any leader of any EU country could legitimately have said. The EU has provided peace and stability amongs its members and any breakup of the EU will make Europe less stable. This is a fact. If you want proof of how this could easily come about look at the language now being used by rabid Brexiters in this country and imagine that on a larger scale and involving other countries... "The hated EU, the corrupt liars, the fascist EU, the despised EU parliament" etc etc Spain itself does not have to look too far back to remember how hostilities and antagonistic relations with and amongst near neighbours is very damaging." Strange response! - I'm just relaying what made the main Brexit headlines in the Spanish press For the record, I mistrust our own press more than I do yours But D Cameron did make a statement that Brexit result would threaten World peace B Obama did make comments about the UK being back of the queue - I heard that one with my own ears D Beckham left both Spain and the UK for a better life in the USA - again, no problem with that but I don't think he was the best person to bring back and promote your remain campaign Instead of blaming your old people or the Russians or Farage or your poor people or numbers on the side of a bus - Why not question the strategy of your Leave Campaign Which was quite frankly amateurishly condescending and incompetent. It lacked both imagination and positivity and totally underestimated the opposition Hillary Clinton please take note | |||
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"notice that centy, when talking about trump and obama (and getting schooled as per usual), has stopped peddling the "trump is going to give the UK a special deal" line........ we'll if we can start getting him telling the truth once in a while... i'll take that as progress "Nah, no chance, he thinks that if you we're making £1000 profit a week before the Brexit vote and now you're making £1 profit a week it's still a brilliant result | |||
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" The country voted to Leave - No recession. Article 50 was triggered - still no recession. Epic fail on both counts by the remain scaremongers. " and we were doing so.....so ... so well! you do know that "recession" is a technical term.... and it means that there must be negative growth for three successive quarters..... what people are telling you that since the vote happened and a50 was invoked the UK has gone from being the fastest growing economy in the EU, to now being the slowest growing economy! you are comparing apples to oranges..... | |||
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" Or you could say the UK economy has remained in positive growth territory since the vote to leave, even though all the experts in the remain camp predicted we would fall into a deep recession after a vote to leave. Considering what your remain experts predicted we are doing a damn sight better and have outperformed by far their expectations. 1) A50 was not triggered immediately after the referendum as was suggested in the referendum. 2) The Conservatives abandoned their policies to balance the books by 2020 in order to stimulate the economy. 3) Massive QE by the BoE. Ignoring these three factual events is just further evidence that you are blinded by confirmation bias. Simply acknowledging that actions took place to mitigate the negative effects of the Brexit vote would add more weight to the arguments of those people who think that Brexit will be “good in the end.” the treasury report on the immediate economic impact of a vote to leave the EU was published before Cameron said he would trigger article 50 straight away. 60 Billion QE by the BoE, compared to 60 Billion A MONTH by the European Central Bank. You deny the need for a £30bn budget, but admit £60bn of QE!
FAIL! "Why is the EU still pumping in 60 Billion of QE every month? Now there's an epic fail! | |||
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"He wont or any of the brexiters will provide any sources....because as they know and we know there any any...that survey he mentions is akin to the 350mil on the side of the bus
Anyone with a computer or a smart phone and working Internet access should be able to easily find the report mentioned in the OP using an Internet search engine. Although maybe that's just too difficult a task for some on here?
I did and I showed how it was a complete waste of time because the assumptions they made and based their prediction on were ludicruous. The only reason to go to the effort to looking up this report is to indulge in the schaedenfreude of seeing how pitiful Brexitears are in their desperation to grasp at any straw that might help them avoid admitting they f**ked their country over. Anyone resident in the UK will have given considerable thought to all the issues concerned and weighted up both the pros and cons of the EU.
The majority have concluded that the amount we pay in does not justify what we get out . It is bizarre that we should be the third largest contributor and be expected to subsidize Lots of other countries.
The performance of the UK economy since the referendum indicates that we appear to have made the right decision and have nothing to lose .
It will be interesting to see how the EU will make up this £8 billion annual loss to their revenue.
Our growth has gone from the highest in the EU to the lowest. The performance of the UK economy shows we made the Wrong decision and we have £billions to lose, houses to lose, jobs to lose, services to lose, skilled workers to lose and much more.
Or you could say the UK economy has remained in positive growth territory since the vote to leave, even though all the experts in the remain camp predicted we would fall into a deep recession after a vote to leave. Considering what your remain experts predicted we are doing a damn sight better and have outperformed by far their expectations.
Well unless you can state what your experts said the growth rate would be, we can't actually tell who's prediction was more accurate. Despite being asked this several times, you still haven't been able or willing to tell us exactly what their growth predictions were, or even if they predicted the massive decline in growth.
I answered your question on this earlier in the thread. The economists for Brexit said the UK economy would continue to grow after a vote to leave, which it has done.
Vindicated and proven correct, thank you very much.
Whereas the remain economic experts said it would contract by up to 6% immediately following a vote to leave (not after triggering A50, or actually leaving)..... And that there would be 4 consecutive quarters of negative growth.
You have said yourself that Cameron said article 50 would be triggered the next day!
EPIC FAIL! "Only that the remain experts said all that BEFORE Cameron said he would trigger A50 the day after a vote to leave. Not the other way round. I know sometimes you find it hard because you're so busy trolling, but do try to read people's posts properly and try to keep up. | |||
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" Or you could say the UK economy has remained in positive growth territory since the vote to leave, even though all the experts in the remain camp predicted we would fall into a deep recession after a vote to leave. Considering what your remain experts predicted we are doing a damn sight better and have outperformed by far their expectations. 1) A50 was not triggered immediately after the referendum as was suggested in the referendum. 2) The Conservatives abandoned their policies to balance the books by 2020 in order to stimulate the economy. 3) Massive QE by the BoE. Ignoring these three factual events is just further evidence that you are blinded by confirmation bias. Simply acknowledging that actions took place to mitigate the negative effects of the Brexit vote would add more weight to the arguments of those people who think that Brexit will be “good in the end.” the treasury report on the immediate economic impact of a vote to leave the EU was published before Cameron said he would trigger article 50 straight away. 60 Billion QE by the BoE, compared to 60 Billion A MONTH by the European Central Bank. You deny the need for a £30bn budget, but admit £60bn of QE!
FAIL!
Why is the EU still pumping in 60 Billion of QE every month? Now there's an epic fail!"Nothing to do with us. | |||
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"He wont or any of the brexiters will provide any sources....because as they know and we know there any any...that survey he mentions is akin to the 350mil on the side of the bus
Anyone with a computer or a smart phone and working Internet access should be able to easily find the report mentioned in the OP using an Internet search engine. Although maybe that's just too difficult a task for some on here?
I did and I showed how it was a complete waste of time because the assumptions they made and based their prediction on were ludicruous. The only reason to go to the effort to looking up this report is to indulge in the schaedenfreude of seeing how pitiful Brexitears are in their desperation to grasp at any straw that might help them avoid admitting they f**ked their country over. Anyone resident in the UK will have given considerable thought to all the issues concerned and weighted up both the pros and cons of the EU.
The majority have concluded that the amount we pay in does not justify what we get out . It is bizarre that we should be the third largest contributor and be expected to subsidize Lots of other countries.
The performance of the UK economy since the referendum indicates that we appear to have made the right decision and have nothing to lose .
It will be interesting to see how the EU will make up this £8 billion annual loss to their revenue.
Our growth has gone from the highest in the EU to the lowest. The performance of the UK economy shows we made the Wrong decision and we have £billions to lose, houses to lose, jobs to lose, services to lose, skilled workers to lose and much more.
Or you could say the UK economy has remained in positive growth territory since the vote to leave, even though all the experts in the remain camp predicted we would fall into a deep recession after a vote to leave. Considering what your remain experts predicted we are doing a damn sight better and have outperformed by far their expectations.
Well unless you can state what your experts said the growth rate would be, we can't actually tell who's prediction was more accurate. Despite being asked this several times, you still haven't been able or willing to tell us exactly what their growth predictions were, or even if they predicted the massive decline in growth.
I answered your question on this earlier in the thread. The economists for Brexit said the UK economy would continue to grow after a vote to leave, which it has done.
Vindicated and proven correct, thank you very much.
Whereas the remain economic experts said it would contract by up to 6% immediately following a vote to leave (not after triggering A50, or actually leaving)..... And that there would be 4 consecutive quarters of negative growth.
You have said yourself that Cameron said article 50 would be triggered the next day!
EPIC FAIL!
Only that the remain experts said all that BEFORE Cameron said he would trigger A50 the day after a vote to leave. Not the other way round.
I know sometimes you find it hard because you're so busy trolling, but do try to read people's posts properly and try to keep up."I'm sure you'll be able to prove that then with a link? | |||
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"notice that centy, when talking about trump and obama (and getting schooled as per usual), has stopped peddling the "trump is going to give the UK a special deal" line........ we'll if we can start getting him telling the truth once in a while... i'll take that as progress "Just can't help yourself whenever Obama is mentioned can you. I really thought you'd had enough during the US Presidential election night humiliation last year (everyone watch the coverage of Clinton winning on CNN instead of Fox News, lololololol ).
But you keep coming back it seems you are a gluten for punishment even after Hilarity Clinton got her ass spanked. Obama said we'd be at the back of the queue for a trade deal, now POTUS Trump has blown that claim out the water and we're near the front of the queue. It was nothing more than scaremongering verbal diarrhoea from Obama, and now his comments are irrelevant, much like the man himself has become an irrelevance. Have a nice day | |||
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"notice that centy, when talking about trump and obama (and getting schooled as per usual), has stopped peddling the "trump is going to give the UK a special deal" line........ we'll if we can start getting him telling the truth once in a while... i'll take that as progress
Just can't help yourself whenever Obama is mentioned can you. I really thought you'd had enough during the US Presidential election night humiliation last year (everyone watch the coverage of Clinton winning on CNN instead of Fox News, lololololol ).
But you keep coming back it seems you are a gluten for punishment even after Hilarity Clinton got her ass spanked. Obama said we'd be at the back of the queue for a trade deal, now POTUS Trump has blown that claim out the water and we're near the front of the queue. It was nothing more than scaremongering verbal diarrhoea from Obama, and now his comments are irrelevant, much like the man himself has become an irrelevance. Have a nice day "What have we signed with the US? | |||
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" Or you could say the UK economy has remained in positive growth territory since the vote to leave, even though all the experts in the remain camp predicted we would fall into a deep recession after a vote to leave. Considering what your remain experts predicted we are doing a damn sight better and have outperformed by far their expectations. 1) A50 was not triggered immediately after the referendum as was suggested in the referendum. 2) The Conservatives abandoned their policies to balance the books by 2020 in order to stimulate the economy. 3) Massive QE by the BoE. Ignoring these three factual events is just further evidence that you are blinded by confirmation bias. Simply acknowledging that actions took place to mitigate the negative effects of the Brexit vote would add more weight to the arguments of those people who think that Brexit will be “good in the end.” the treasury report on the immediate economic impact of a vote to leave the EU was published before Cameron said he would trigger article 50 straight away. 60 Billion QE by the BoE, compared to 60 Billion A MONTH by the European Central Bank. You deny the need for a £30bn budget, but admit £60bn of QE!
FAIL!
Why is the EU still pumping in 60 Billion of QE every month? Now there's an epic fail!
Nothing to do with us."So you now finally admit that the EU is failing....and on an epic scale as well! And that it's nothing to do with us... | |||
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" Or you could say the UK economy has remained in positive growth territory since the vote to leave, even though all the experts in the remain camp predicted we would fall into a deep recession after a vote to leave. Considering what your remain experts predicted we are doing a damn sight better and have outperformed by far their expectations. 1) A50 was not triggered immediately after the referendum as was suggested in the referendum. 2) The Conservatives abandoned their policies to balance the books by 2020 in order to stimulate the economy. 3) Massive QE by the BoE. Ignoring these three factual events is just further evidence that you are blinded by confirmation bias. Simply acknowledging that actions took place to mitigate the negative effects of the Brexit vote would add more weight to the arguments of those people who think that Brexit will be “good in the end.” the treasury report on the immediate economic impact of a vote to leave the EU was published before Cameron said he would trigger article 50 straight away. 60 Billion QE by the BoE, compared to 60 Billion A MONTH by the European Central Bank. You deny the need for a £30bn budget, but admit £60bn of QE!
FAIL!
Why is the EU still pumping in 60 Billion of QE every month? Now there's an epic fail!
Nothing to do with us.
So you now finally admit that the EU is failing....and on an epic scale as well! And that it's nothing to do with us..."If QE equals failing, and the UK started QE immediately after, and because of the referendum, does that mean the UK is failing? | |||
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" Or you could say the UK economy has remained in positive growth territory since the vote to leave, even though all the experts in the remain camp predicted we would fall into a deep recession after a vote to leave. Considering what your remain experts predicted we are doing a damn sight better and have outperformed by far their expectations. 1) A50 was not triggered immediately after the referendum as was suggested in the referendum. 2) The Conservatives abandoned their policies to balance the books by 2020 in order to stimulate the economy. 3) Massive QE by the BoE. Ignoring these three factual events is just further evidence that you are blinded by confirmation bias. Simply acknowledging that actions took place to mitigate the negative effects of the Brexit vote would add more weight to the arguments of those people who think that Brexit will be “good in the end.” the treasury report on the immediate economic impact of a vote to leave the EU was published before Cameron said he would trigger article 50 straight away. 60 Billion QE by the BoE, compared to 60 Billion A MONTH by the European Central Bank. You deny the need for a £30bn budget, but admit £60bn of QE!
FAIL!
Why is the EU still pumping in 60 Billion of QE every month? Now there's an epic fail!
Nothing to do with us.
So you now finally admit that the EU is failing....and on an epic scale as well! And that it's nothing to do with us...
If QE equals failing, and the UK started QE immediately after, and because of the referendum, does that mean the UK is failing? "It was you that said QE is failing. The funny thing is, the UK stopped after 60 Billion, since then the EU has put in 60 Billion every month. You admitted that the EU is failing.... | |||
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" Or you could say the UK economy has remained in positive growth territory since the vote to leave, even though all the experts in the remain camp predicted we would fall into a deep recession after a vote to leave. Considering what your remain experts predicted we are doing a damn sight better and have outperformed by far their expectations. 1) A50 was not triggered immediately after the referendum as was suggested in the referendum. 2) The Conservatives abandoned their policies to balance the books by 2020 in order to stimulate the economy. 3) Massive QE by the BoE. Ignoring these three factual events is just further evidence that you are blinded by confirmation bias. Simply acknowledging that actions took place to mitigate the negative effects of the Brexit vote would add more weight to the arguments of those people who think that Brexit will be “good in the end.” the treasury report on the immediate economic impact of a vote to leave the EU was published before Cameron said he would trigger article 50 straight away. 60 Billion QE by the BoE, compared to 60 Billion A MONTH by the European Central Bank. You deny the need for a £30bn budget, but admit £60bn of QE!
FAIL!
Why is the EU still pumping in 60 Billion of QE every month? Now there's an epic fail!
Nothing to do with us.
So you now finally admit that the EU is failing....and on an epic scale as well! And that it's nothing to do with us...
If QE equals failing, and the UK started QE immediately after, and because of the referendum, does that mean the UK is failing?
It was you that said QE is failing. The funny thing is, the UK stopped after 60 Billion, since then the EU has put in 60 Billion every month.
You admitted that the EU is failing...."That would mean the UK is failing then, is that what you are saying? | |||
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" Or you could say the UK economy has remained in positive growth territory since the vote to leave, even though all the experts in the remain camp predicted we would fall into a deep recession after a vote to leave. Considering what your remain experts predicted we are doing a damn sight better and have outperformed by far their expectations. 1) A50 was not triggered immediately after the referendum as was suggested in the referendum. 2) The Conservatives abandoned their policies to balance the books by 2020 in order to stimulate the economy. 3) Massive QE by the BoE. Ignoring these three factual events is just further evidence that you are blinded by confirmation bias. Simply acknowledging that actions took place to mitigate the negative effects of the Brexit vote would add more weight to the arguments of those people who think that Brexit will be “good in the end.” the treasury report on the immediate economic impact of a vote to leave the EU was published before Cameron said he would trigger article 50 straight away. 60 Billion QE by the BoE, compared to 60 Billion A MONTH by the European Central Bank. You deny the need for a £30bn budget, but admit £60bn of QE!
FAIL!
Why is the EU still pumping in 60 Billion of QE every month? Now there's an epic fail!
Nothing to do with us.
So you now finally admit that the EU is failing....and on an epic scale as well! And that it's nothing to do with us...
If QE equals failing, and the UK started QE immediately after, and because of the referendum, does that mean the UK is failing?
It was you that said QE is failing. The funny thing is, the UK stopped after 60 Billion, since then the EU has put in 60 Billion every month.
You admitted that the EU is failing....
That would mean the UK is failing then, is that what you are saying? "No. You're saying the EU is failing because they are still putting in 60 Billion a month. | |||
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"notice that centy, when talking about trump and obama (and getting schooled as per usual), has stopped peddling the "trump is going to give the UK a special deal" line........ we'll if we can start getting him telling the truth once in a while... i'll take that as progress "Centy tried to claim Davies beat the EU when he capitulated in sequencing too because The Sun told him it was a victory, but he eventually stopped pedalling that too. And he completely abandoned the study this thread was started for. It was such an empty useless study that even he wasnt bothered trying to defend it. Hes still got a long way to go before he see's reality but maybe he'll get there... | |||
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"notice that centy, when talking about trump and obama (and getting schooled as per usual), has stopped peddling the "trump is going to give the UK a special deal" line........ we'll if we can start getting him telling the truth once in a while... i'll take that as progress
Centy tried to claim Davies beat the EU when he capitulated in sequencing too because The Sun told him it was a victory, but he eventually stopped pedalling that too.
And he completely abandoned the study this thread was started for. It was such an empty useless study that even he wasnt bothered trying to defend it.
Hes still got a long way to go before he see's reality but maybe he'll get there..."Luckily for most of the posters on this forum , the poster to whom you refer is highly respected on these forums and has a wealth of experience in real life . He predicted both the results of the referendum in the UK and the result of the USA elction correctly . He was sufficently confident to put money on both sets of results . Not only that , he has also canvassed during election campaigns and gained extensive knowledge of local communities by knocking doors and listening to constituents . This information is probably vastly superior to that obtained from doing internet searches . In addition to all of the above his attendance at various clubs means that he has his feet firmly on the ground and knows what is happening around him ( hence the ability to predict both sets of results corectly ) . | |||
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"notice that centy, when talking about trump and obama (and getting schooled as per usual), has stopped peddling the "trump is going to give the UK a special deal" line........ we'll if we can start getting him telling the truth once in a while... i'll take that as progress
Centy tried to claim Davies beat the EU when he capitulated in sequencing too because The Sun told him it was a victory, but he eventually stopped pedalling that too.
And he completely abandoned the study this thread was started for. It was such an empty useless study that even he wasnt bothered trying to defend it.
Hes still got a long way to go before he see's reality but maybe he'll get there... Luckily for most of the posters on this forum , the poster to whom you refer is highly respected on these forums and has a wealth of experience in real life . He predicted both the results of the referendum in the UK and the result of the USA elction correctly . He was sufficently confident to put money on both sets of results . Not only that , he has also canvassed during election campaigns and gained extensive knowledge of local communities by knocking doors and listening to constituents . This information is probably vastly superior to that obtained from doing internet searches . In addition to all of the above his attendance at various clubs means that he has his feet firmly on the ground and knows what is happening around him ( hence the ability to predict both sets of results corectly ) . "I know we still have December to go, and the rest of November, but I think this has to win funniest post of the year on the politics forum. | |||
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"notice that centy, when talking about trump and obama (and getting schooled as per usual), has stopped peddling the "trump is going to give the UK a special deal" line........ we'll if we can start getting him telling the truth once in a while... i'll take that as progress
Centy tried to claim Davies beat the EU when he capitulated in sequencing too because The Sun told him it was a victory, but he eventually stopped pedalling that too.
And he completely abandoned the study this thread was started for. It was such an empty useless study that even he wasnt bothered trying to defend it.
Hes still got a long way to go before he see's reality but maybe he'll get there... Luckily for most of the posters on this forum , the poster to whom you refer is highly respected on these forums and has a wealth of experience in real life . He predicted both the results of the referendum in the UK and the result of the USA elction correctly . He was sufficently confident to put money on both sets of results . Not only that , he has also canvassed during election campaigns and gained extensive knowledge of local communities by knocking doors and listening to constituents . This information is probably vastly superior to that obtained from doing internet searches . In addition to all of the above his attendance at various clubs means that he has his feet firmly on the ground and knows what is happening around him ( hence the ability to predict both sets of results corectly ) . "comedy gold again Pat.. you forgot to mention that he also is a supporter of such ideology where its ok for a white person to mow down indiscriminately innocent persons, same said white person being a vile racist supporter of the Nazi's and the KKK again which he being to whom you are so blindly idolising did not have the decency to condemn.. when its an attack by someone not white he is suddenly vociferous.. when a racist right wing coward killed Jo Cox he also went straight to the mentally ill defence even when it was public knowledge what the guy's politics were, not that dissimilar from he to whom you now extol.. | |||
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"notice that centy, when talking about trump and obama (and getting schooled as per usual), has stopped peddling the "trump is going to give the UK a special deal" line........ we'll if we can start getting him telling the truth once in a while... i'll take that as progress
Centy tried to claim Davies beat the EU when he capitulated in sequencing too because The Sun told him it was a victory, but he eventually stopped pedalling that too.
And he completely abandoned the study this thread was started for. It was such an empty useless study that even he wasnt bothered trying to defend it.
Hes still got a long way to go before he see's reality but maybe he'll get there... Luckily for most of the posters on this forum , the poster to whom you refer is highly respected on these forums and has a wealth of experience in real life . He predicted both the results of the referendum in the UK and the result of the USA elction correctly . He was sufficently confident to put money on both sets of results . Not only that , he has also canvassed during election campaigns and gained extensive knowledge of local communities by knocking doors and listening to constituents . This information is probably vastly superior to that obtained from doing internet searches . In addition to all of the above his attendance at various clubs means that he has his feet firmly on the ground and knows what is happening around him ( hence the ability to predict both sets of results corectly ) .
comedy gold again Pat..
you forgot to mention that he also is a supporter of such ideology where its ok for a white person to mow down indiscriminately innocent persons, same said white person being a vile racist supporter of the Nazi's and the KKK again which he being to whom you are so blindly idolising did not have the decency to condemn..
when its an attack by someone not white he is suddenly vociferous..
when a racist right wing coward killed Jo Cox he also went straight to the mentally ill defence even when it was public knowledge what the guy's politics were, not that dissimilar from he to whom you now extol.. "You really should apologise for such a blatant slanderous post which is full of nothing by bare faced lies. Fabio tried to peddle this exact same shit a few months ago on another thread and when I challenged him over it he went silent. Oh and still waiting for that apology from you Fabio if you're reading this. So once again to set the record straight I did condemn the right wing extremists in Charlottesville who carried out that attack (so did Donald Trump as it happens). I also equally condemned the Antifa protestors (as Donald Trump did) on the opposite side who turned up there wearing masks and carrying weapons who were looking for a fight and went to Charlottesville for no other reason that to stir up trouble and cause a riot or fight. On your 2nd point about supporting the Nazis and the kkk, where at any time have I ever said I supported those groups? I challenged Fabio to provide a link to any thread which he failed to reply to (because you can dig all you like, you won't find any threads where I say I support those groups). Yes I do condemn Muslim jihadist extremist terrorists who commit atrocities vociferously, do you consider that to be a bad thing? Do you think they should be congratulated????? Lastly on the murder of Jo Cox the case has revealed the murderer had suffered with a long and well documented history of mental illness, are you now disputing the facts of the case as laid out by the police? | |||
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"notice that centy, when talking about trump and obama (and getting schooled as per usual), has stopped peddling the "trump is going to give the UK a special deal" line........ we'll if we can start getting him telling the truth once in a while... i'll take that as progress
Centy tried to claim Davies beat the EU when he capitulated in sequencing too because The Sun told him it was a victory, but he eventually stopped pedalling that too.
And he completely abandoned the study this thread was started for. It was such an empty useless study that even he wasnt bothered trying to defend it.
Hes still got a long way to go before he see's reality but maybe he'll get there... Luckily for most of the posters on this forum , the poster to whom you refer is highly respected on these forums and has a wealth of experience in real life . He predicted both the results of the referendum in the UK and the result of the USA elction correctly . He was sufficently confident to put money on both sets of results . Not only that , he has also canvassed during election campaigns and gained extensive knowledge of local communities by knocking doors and listening to constituents . This information is probably vastly superior to that obtained from doing internet searches . In addition to all of the above his attendance at various clubs means that he has his feet firmly on the ground and knows what is happening around him ( hence the ability to predict both sets of results corectly ) .
comedy gold again Pat..
you forgot to mention that he also is a supporter of such ideology where its ok for a white person to mow down indiscriminately innocent persons, same said white person being a vile racist supporter of the Nazi's and the KKK again which he being to whom you are so blindly idolising did not have the decency to condemn..
when its an attack by someone not white he is suddenly vociferous..
when a racist right wing coward killed Jo Cox he also went straight to the mentally ill defence even when it was public knowledge what the guy's politics were, not that dissimilar from he to whom you now extol..
You really should apologise for such a blatant slanderous post which is full of nothing by bare faced lies. Fabio tried to peddle this exact same shit a few months ago on another thread and when I challenged him over it he went silent. Oh and still waiting for that apology from you Fabio if you're reading this. So once again to set the record straight I did condemn the right wing extremists in Charlottesville who carried out that attack (so did Donald Trump as it happens). I also equally condemned the Antifa protestors (as Donald Trump did) on the opposite side who turned up there wearing masks and carrying weapons who were looking for a fight and went to Charlottesville for no other reason that to stir up trouble and cause a riot or fight.
On your 2nd point about supporting the Nazis and the kkk, where at any time have I ever said I supported those groups? I challenged Fabio to provide a link to any thread which he failed to reply to (because you can dig all you like, you won't find any threads where I say I support those groups). Yes I do condemn Muslim jihadist extremist terrorists who commit atrocities vociferously, do you consider that to be a bad thing? Do you think they should be congratulated????? Lastly on the murder of Jo Cox the case has revealed the murderer had suffered with a long and well documented history of mental illness, are you now disputing the facts of the case as laid out by the police? "No you didn't condemn them as supporters of the Nazi's and the KKK.. you made the same glib spineless comment that Trump did.. Go back and look and you will see that i have condemned all terrorist and racist attacks by anyone who carries them out regardless.. spare me the bollocks about thomas mair and his issues with mental health, he was and is lauded by the scum that is national action.. you have ignored the rise in racial attacks on good decent people post Brexit and have even tried to argue that there has not been an increase, so you will have no apology from me for saying what you are by your posts over the past few years.. | |||
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"notice that centy, when talking about trump and obama (and getting schooled as per usual), has stopped peddling the "trump is going to give the UK a special deal" line........ we'll if we can start getting him telling the truth once in a while... i'll take that as progress
Centy tried to claim Davies beat the EU when he capitulated in sequencing too because The Sun told him it was a victory, but he eventually stopped pedalling that too.
And he completely abandoned the study this thread was started for. It was such an empty useless study that even he wasnt bothered trying to defend it.
Hes still got a long way to go before he see's reality but maybe he'll get there... Luckily for most of the posters on this forum , the poster to whom you refer is highly respected on these forums and has a wealth of experience in real life . He predicted both the results of the referendum in the UK and the result of the USA elction correctly . He was sufficently confident to put money on both sets of results . Not only that , he has also canvassed during election campaigns and gained extensive knowledge of local communities by knocking doors and listening to constituents . This information is probably vastly superior to that obtained from doing internet searches . In addition to all of the above his attendance at various clubs means that he has his feet firmly on the ground and knows what is happening around him ( hence the ability to predict both sets of results corectly ) .
comedy gold again Pat..
you forgot to mention that he also is a supporter of such ideology where its ok for a white person to mow down indiscriminately innocent persons, same said white person being a vile racist supporter of the Nazi's and the KKK again which he being to whom you are so blindly idolising did not have the decency to condemn..
when its an attack by someone not white he is suddenly vociferous..
when a racist right wing coward killed Jo Cox he also went straight to the mentally ill defence even when it was public knowledge what the guy's politics were, not that dissimilar from he to whom you now extol..
You really should apologise for such a blatant slanderous post which is full of nothing by bare faced lies. Fabio tried to peddle this exact same shit a few months ago on another thread and when I challenged him over it he went silent. Oh and still waiting for that apology from you Fabio if you're reading this. So once again to set the record straight I did condemn the right wing extremists in Charlottesville who carried out that attack (so did Donald Trump as it happens). I also equally condemned the Antifa protestors (as Donald Trump did) on the opposite side who turned up there wearing masks and carrying weapons who were looking for a fight and went to Charlottesville for no other reason that to stir up trouble and cause a riot or fight.
On your 2nd point about supporting the Nazis and the kkk, where at any time have I ever said I supported those groups? I challenged Fabio to provide a link to any thread which he failed to reply to (because you can dig all you like, you won't find any threads where I say I support those groups). Yes I do condemn Muslim jihadist extremist terrorists who commit atrocities vociferously, do you consider that to be a bad thing? Do you think they should be congratulated????? Lastly on the murder of Jo Cox the case has revealed the murderer had suffered with a long and well documented history of mental illness, are you now disputing the facts of the case as laid out by the police? "can you provide links to the threads where you condemned these atrocities? i can't remember any condemnation so some proof of your condemnation is required for it to be truth. | |||
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"notice that centy, when talking about trump and obama (and getting schooled as per usual), has stopped peddling the "trump is going to give the UK a special deal" line........ we'll if we can start getting him telling the truth once in a while... i'll take that as progress
Centy tried to claim Davies beat the EU when he capitulated in sequencing too because The Sun told him it was a victory, but he eventually stopped pedalling that too.
And he completely abandoned the study this thread was started for. It was such an empty useless study that even he wasnt bothered trying to defend it.
Hes still got a long way to go before he see's reality but maybe he'll get there... Luckily for most of the posters on this forum , the poster to whom you refer is highly respected on these forums and has a wealth of experience in real life . He predicted both the results of the referendum in the UK and the result of the USA elction correctly . He was sufficently confident to put money on both sets of results . Not only that , he has also canvassed during election campaigns and gained extensive knowledge of local communities by knocking doors and listening to constituents . This information is probably vastly superior to that obtained from doing internet searches . In addition to all of the above his attendance at various clubs means that he has his feet firmly on the ground and knows what is happening around him ( hence the ability to predict both sets of results corectly ) .
comedy gold again Pat..
you forgot to mention that he also is a supporter of such ideology where its ok for a white person to mow down indiscriminately innocent persons, same said white person being a vile racist supporter of the Nazi's and the KKK again which he being to whom you are so blindly idolising did not have the decency to condemn..
when its an attack by someone not white he is suddenly vociferous..
when a racist right wing coward killed Jo Cox he also went straight to the mentally ill defence even when it was public knowledge what the guy's politics were, not that dissimilar from he to whom you now extol..
You really should apologise for such a blatant slanderous post which is full of nothing by bare faced lies. Fabio tried to peddle this exact same shit a few months ago on another thread and when I challenged him over it he went silent. Oh and still waiting for that apology from you Fabio if you're reading this. So once again to set the record straight I did condemn the right wing extremists in Charlottesville who carried out that attack (so did Donald Trump as it happens). I also equally condemned the Antifa protestors (as Donald Trump did) on the opposite side who turned up there wearing masks and carrying weapons who were looking for a fight and went to Charlottesville for no other reason that to stir up trouble and cause a riot or fight.
On your 2nd point about supporting the Nazis and the kkk, where at any time have I ever said I supported those groups? I challenged Fabio to provide a link to any thread which he failed to reply to (because you can dig all you like, you won't find any threads where I say I support those groups). Yes I do condemn Muslim jihadist extremist terrorists who commit atrocities vociferously, do you consider that to be a bad thing? Do you think they should be congratulated????? Lastly on the murder of Jo Cox the case has revealed the murderer had suffered with a long and well documented history of mental illness, are you now disputing the facts of the case as laid out by the police? "and read it again.. i have not said that you have said you support the Nazi'a and the KKK.. you do however share similar views but you know there is a line that you wont cross in stating any support.. | |||
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"notice that centy, when talking about trump and obama (and getting schooled as per usual), has stopped peddling the "trump is going to give the UK a special deal" line........ we'll if we can start getting him telling the truth once in a while... i'll take that as progress
Centy tried to claim Davies beat the EU when he capitulated in sequencing too because The Sun told him it was a victory, but he eventually stopped pedalling that too.
And he completely abandoned the study this thread was started for. It was such an empty useless study that even he wasnt bothered trying to defend it.
Hes still got a long way to go before he see's reality but maybe he'll get there... Luckily for most of the posters on this forum , the poster to whom you refer is highly respected on these forums and has a wealth of experience in real life . He predicted both the results of the referendum in the UK and the result of the USA elction correctly . He was sufficently confident to put money on both sets of results . Not only that , he has also canvassed during election campaigns and gained extensive knowledge of local communities by knocking doors and listening to constituents . This information is probably vastly superior to that obtained from doing internet searches . In addition to all of the above his attendance at various clubs means that he has his feet firmly on the ground and knows what is happening around him ( hence the ability to predict both sets of results corectly ) .
comedy gold again Pat..
you forgot to mention that he also is a supporter of such ideology where its ok for a white person to mow down indiscriminately innocent persons, same said white person being a vile racist supporter of the Nazi's and the KKK again which he being to whom you are so blindly idolising did not have the decency to condemn..
when its an attack by someone not white he is suddenly vociferous..
when a racist right wing coward killed Jo Cox he also went straight to the mentally ill defence even when it was public knowledge what the guy's politics were, not that dissimilar from he to whom you now extol..
You really should apologise for such a blatant slanderous post which is full of nothing by bare faced lies. Fabio tried to peddle this exact same shit a few months ago on another thread and when I challenged him over it he went silent. Oh and still waiting for that apology from you Fabio if you're reading this. So once again to set the record straight I did condemn the right wing extremists in Charlottesville who carried out that attack (so did Donald Trump as it happens). I also equally condemned the Antifa protestors (as Donald Trump did) on the opposite side who turned up there wearing masks and carrying weapons who were looking for a fight and went to Charlottesville for no other reason that to stir up trouble and cause a riot or fight.
On your 2nd point about supporting the Nazis and the kkk, where at any time have I ever said I supported those groups? I challenged Fabio to provide a link to any thread which he failed to reply to (because you can dig all you like, you won't find any threads where I say I support those groups). Yes I do condemn Muslim jihadist extremist terrorists who commit atrocities vociferously, do you consider that to be a bad thing? Do you think they should be congratulated????? Lastly on the murder of Jo Cox the case has revealed the murderer had suffered with a long and well documented history of mental illness, are you now disputing the facts of the case as laid out by the police?
No you didn't condemn them as supporters of the Nazi's and the KKK..
you made the same glib spineless comment that Trump did..
Go back and look and you will see that i have condemned all terrorist and racist attacks by anyone who carries them out regardless..
spare me the bollocks about thomas mair and his issues with mental health, he was and is lauded by the scum that is national action..
you have ignored the rise in racial attacks on good decent people post Brexit and have even tried to argue that there has not been an increase, so you will have no apology from me for saying what you are by your posts over the past few years..
"I agree the said poster was asked umpteen times to condemn these attacks her never did...but being a member of a certain group we couldnt expect anything else | |||
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"notice that centy, when talking about trump and obama (and getting schooled as per usual), has stopped peddling the "trump is going to give the UK a special deal" line........ we'll if we can start getting him telling the truth once in a while... i'll take that as progress
Centy tried to claim Davies beat the EU when he capitulated in sequencing too because The Sun told him it was a victory, but he eventually stopped pedalling that too.
And he completely abandoned the study this thread was started for. It was such an empty useless study that even he wasnt bothered trying to defend it.
Hes still got a long way to go before he see's reality but maybe he'll get there... Luckily for most of the posters on this forum , the poster to whom you refer is highly respected on these forums and has a wealth of experience in real life . He predicted both the results of the referendum in the UK and the result of the USA elction correctly . He was sufficently confident to put money on both sets of results . Not only that , he has also canvassed during election campaigns and gained extensive knowledge of local communities by knocking doors and listening to constituents . This information is probably vastly superior to that obtained from doing internet searches . In addition to all of the above his attendance at various clubs means that he has his feet firmly on the ground and knows what is happening around him ( hence the ability to predict both sets of results corectly ) .
comedy gold again Pat..
you forgot to mention that he also is a supporter of such ideology where its ok for a white person to mow down indiscriminately innocent persons, same said white person being a vile racist supporter of the Nazi's and the KKK again which he being to whom you are so blindly idolising did not have the decency to condemn..
when its an attack by someone not white he is suddenly vociferous..
when a racist right wing coward killed Jo Cox he also went straight to the mentally ill defence even when it was public knowledge what the guy's politics were, not that dissimilar from he to whom you now extol..
You really should apologise for such a blatant slanderous post which is full of nothing by bare faced lies. Fabio tried to peddle this exact same shit a few months ago on another thread and when I challenged him over it he went silent. Oh and still waiting for that apology from you Fabio if you're reading this. So once again to set the record straight I did condemn the right wing extremists in Charlottesville who carried out that attack (so did Donald Trump as it happens). I also equally condemned the Antifa protestors (as Donald Trump did) on the opposite side who turned up there wearing masks and carrying weapons who were looking for a fight and went to Charlottesville for no other reason that to stir up trouble and cause a riot or fight.
On your 2nd point about supporting the Nazis and the kkk, where at any time have I ever said I supported those groups? I challenged Fabio to provide a link to any thread which he failed to reply to (because you can dig all you like, you won't find any threads where I say I support those groups). Yes I do condemn Muslim jihadist extremist terrorists who commit atrocities vociferously, do you consider that to be a bad thing? Do you think they should be congratulated????? Lastly on the murder of Jo Cox the case has revealed the murderer had suffered with a long and well documented history of mental illness, are you now disputing the facts of the case as laid out by the police?
can you provide links to the threads where you condemned these atrocities? i can't remember any condemnation so some proof of your condemnation is required for it to be truth."I condemned it on Fabio's Charlottesville thread at the time when it happened. I condemned both sides who turned up there looking for a fight that day. Some (of whom have posted on this thread with this nonsense) only condemned one side though and could see no fault what so ever on the other side where it was clear on mainstream news video footage both sides had come carrying weapons, wearing masks and looking for trouble. | |||
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"notice that centy, when talking about trump and obama (and getting schooled as per usual), has stopped peddling the "trump is going to give the UK a special deal" line........ we'll if we can start getting him telling the truth once in a while... i'll take that as progress
Centy tried to claim Davies beat the EU when he capitulated in sequencing too because The Sun told him it was a victory, but he eventually stopped pedalling that too.
And he completely abandoned the study this thread was started for. It was such an empty useless study that even he wasnt bothered trying to defend it.
Hes still got a long way to go before he see's reality but maybe he'll get there... Luckily for most of the posters on this forum , the poster to whom you refer is highly respected on these forums and has a wealth of experience in real life . He predicted both the results of the referendum in the UK and the result of the USA elction correctly . He was sufficently confident to put money on both sets of results . Not only that , he has also canvassed during election campaigns and gained extensive knowledge of local communities by knocking doors and listening to constituents . This information is probably vastly superior to that obtained from doing internet searches . In addition to all of the above his attendance at various clubs means that he has his feet firmly on the ground and knows what is happening around him ( hence the ability to predict both sets of results corectly ) .
comedy gold again Pat..
you forgot to mention that he also is a supporter of such ideology where its ok for a white person to mow down indiscriminately innocent persons, same said white person being a vile racist supporter of the Nazi's and the KKK again which he being to whom you are so blindly idolising did not have the decency to condemn..
when its an attack by someone not white he is suddenly vociferous..
when a racist right wing coward killed Jo Cox he also went straight to the mentally ill defence even when it was public knowledge what the guy's politics were, not that dissimilar from he to whom you now extol..
You really should apologise for such a blatant slanderous post which is full of nothing by bare faced lies. Fabio tried to peddle this exact same shit a few months ago on another thread and when I challenged him over it he went silent. Oh and still waiting for that apology from you Fabio if you're reading this. So once again to set the record straight I did condemn the right wing extremists in Charlottesville who carried out that attack (so did Donald Trump as it happens). I also equally condemned the Antifa protestors (as Donald Trump did) on the opposite side who turned up there wearing masks and carrying weapons who were looking for a fight and went to Charlottesville for no other reason that to stir up trouble and cause a riot or fight.
On your 2nd point about supporting the Nazis and the kkk, where at any time have I ever said I supported those groups? I challenged Fabio to provide a link to any thread which he failed to reply to (because you can dig all you like, you won't find any threads where I say I support those groups). Yes I do condemn Muslim jihadist extremist terrorists who commit atrocities vociferously, do you consider that to be a bad thing? Do you think they should be congratulated????? Lastly on the murder of Jo Cox the case has revealed the murderer had suffered with a long and well documented history of mental illness, are you now disputing the facts of the case as laid out by the police?
can you provide links to the threads where you condemned these atrocities? i can't remember any condemnation so some proof of your condemnation is required for it to be truth.
I condemned it on Fabio's Charlottesville thread at the time when it happened. I condemned both sides who turned up there looking for a fight that day. Some (of whom have posted on this thread with this nonsense) only condemned one side though and could see no fault what so ever on the other side where it was clear on mainstream news video footage both sides had come carrying weapons, wearing masks and looking for trouble. "links? need proof for truth | |||
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"notice that centy, when talking about trump and obama (and getting schooled as per usual), has stopped peddling the "trump is going to give the UK a special deal" line........ we'll if we can start getting him telling the truth once in a while... i'll take that as progress
Centy tried to claim Davies beat the EU when he capitulated in sequencing too because The Sun told him it was a victory, but he eventually stopped pedalling that too.
And he completely abandoned the study this thread was started for. It was such an empty useless study that even he wasnt bothered trying to defend it.
Hes still got a long way to go before he see's reality but maybe he'll get there... Luckily for most of the posters on this forum , the poster to whom you refer is highly respected on these forums and has a wealth of experience in real life . He predicted both the results of the referendum in the UK and the result of the USA elction correctly . He was sufficently confident to put money on both sets of results . Not only that , he has also canvassed during election campaigns and gained extensive knowledge of local communities by knocking doors and listening to constituents . This information is probably vastly superior to that obtained from doing internet searches . In addition to all of the above his attendance at various clubs means that he has his feet firmly on the ground and knows what is happening around him ( hence the ability to predict both sets of results corectly ) .
comedy gold again Pat..
you forgot to mention that he also is a supporter of such ideology where its ok for a white person to mow down indiscriminately innocent persons, same said white person being a vile racist supporter of the Nazi's and the KKK again which he being to whom you are so blindly idolising did not have the decency to condemn..
when its an attack by someone not white he is suddenly vociferous..
when a racist right wing coward killed Jo Cox he also went straight to the mentally ill defence even when it was public knowledge what the guy's politics were, not that dissimilar from he to whom you now extol..
You really should apologise for such a blatant slanderous post which is full of nothing by bare faced lies. Fabio tried to peddle this exact same shit a few months ago on another thread and when I challenged him over it he went silent. Oh and still waiting for that apology from you Fabio if you're reading this. So once again to set the record straight I did condemn the right wing extremists in Charlottesville who carried out that attack (so did Donald Trump as it happens). I also equally condemned the Antifa protestors (as Donald Trump did) on the opposite side who turned up there wearing masks and carrying weapons who were looking for a fight and went to Charlottesville for no other reason that to stir up trouble and cause a riot or fight.
On your 2nd point about supporting the Nazis and the kkk, where at any time have I ever said I supported those groups? I challenged Fabio to provide a link to any thread which he failed to reply to (because you can dig all you like, you won't find any threads where I say I support those groups). Yes I do condemn Muslim jihadist extremist terrorists who commit atrocities vociferously, do you consider that to be a bad thing? Do you think they should be congratulated????? Lastly on the murder of Jo Cox the case has revealed the murderer had suffered with a long and well documented history of mental illness, are you now disputing the facts of the case as laid out by the police?
No you didn't condemn them as supporters of the Nazi's and the KKK..
you made the same glib spineless comment that Trump did..
Go back and look and you will see that i have condemned all terrorist and racist attacks by anyone who carries them out regardless..
spare me the bollocks about thomas mair and his issues with mental health, he was and is lauded by the scum that is national action..
you have ignored the rise in racial attacks on good decent people post Brexit and have even tried to argue that there has not been an increase, so you will have no apology from me for saying what you are by your posts over the past few years..
I agree the said poster was asked umpteen times to condemn these attacks her never did...but being a member of a certain group we couldnt expect anything else "That may have happened in your own little dream world but in reality I condemned both sides (as Donald Trump did) and still do. | |||
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"notice that centy, when talking about trump and obama (and getting schooled as per usual), has stopped peddling the "trump is going to give the UK a special deal" line........ we'll if we can start getting him telling the truth once in a while... i'll take that as progress
Centy tried to claim Davies beat the EU when he capitulated in sequencing too because The Sun told him it was a victory, but he eventually stopped pedalling that too.
And he completely abandoned the study this thread was started for. It was such an empty useless study that even he wasnt bothered trying to defend it.
Hes still got a long way to go before he see's reality but maybe he'll get there... Luckily for most of the posters on this forum , the poster to whom you refer is highly respected on these forums and has a wealth of experience in real life . He predicted both the results of the referendum in the UK and the result of the USA elction correctly . He was sufficently confident to put money on both sets of results . Not only that , he has also canvassed during election campaigns and gained extensive knowledge of local communities by knocking doors and listening to constituents . This information is probably vastly superior to that obtained from doing internet searches . In addition to all of the above his attendance at various clubs means that he has his feet firmly on the ground and knows what is happening around him ( hence the ability to predict both sets of results corectly ) .
comedy gold again Pat..
you forgot to mention that he also is a supporter of such ideology where its ok for a white person to mow down indiscriminately innocent persons, same said white person being a vile racist supporter of the Nazi's and the KKK again which he being to whom you are so blindly idolising did not have the decency to condemn..
when its an attack by someone not white he is suddenly vociferous..
when a racist right wing coward killed Jo Cox he also went straight to the mentally ill defence even when it was public knowledge what the guy's politics were, not that dissimilar from he to whom you now extol..
You really should apologise for such a blatant slanderous post which is full of nothing by bare faced lies. Fabio tried to peddle this exact same shit a few months ago on another thread and when I challenged him over it he went silent. Oh and still waiting for that apology from you Fabio if you're reading this. So once again to set the record straight I did condemn the right wing extremists in Charlottesville who carried out that attack (so did Donald Trump as it happens). I also equally condemned the Antifa protestors (as Donald Trump did) on the opposite side who turned up there wearing masks and carrying weapons who were looking for a fight and went to Charlottesville for no other reason that to stir up trouble and cause a riot or fight.
On your 2nd point about supporting the Nazis and the kkk, where at any time have I ever said I supported those groups? I challenged Fabio to provide a link to any thread which he failed to reply to (because you can dig all you like, you won't find any threads where I say I support those groups). Yes I do condemn Muslim jihadist extremist terrorists who commit atrocities vociferously, do you consider that to be a bad thing? Do you think they should be congratulated????? Lastly on the murder of Jo Cox the case has revealed the murderer had suffered with a long and well documented history of mental illness, are you now disputing the facts of the case as laid out by the police?
No you didn't condemn them as supporters of the Nazi's and the KKK..
you made the same glib spineless comment that Trump did..
Go back and look and you will see that i have condemned all terrorist and racist attacks by anyone who carries them out regardless..
spare me the bollocks about thomas mair and his issues with mental health, he was and is lauded by the scum that is national action..
you have ignored the rise in racial attacks on good decent people post Brexit and have even tried to argue that there has not been an increase, so you will have no apology from me for saying what you are by your posts over the past few years..
I agree the said poster was asked umpteen times to condemn these attacks her never did...but being a member of a certain group we couldnt expect anything else
That may have happened in your own little dream world but in reality I condemned both sides (as Donald Trump did) and still do. "Nah you didnt....niether did Trump | |||
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"notice that centy, when talking about trump and obama (and getting schooled as per usual), has stopped peddling the "trump is going to give the UK a special deal" line........ we'll if we can start getting him telling the truth once in a while... i'll take that as progress
Centy tried to claim Davies beat the EU when he capitulated in sequencing too because The Sun told him it was a victory, but he eventually stopped pedalling that too.
And he completely abandoned the study this thread was started for. It was such an empty useless study that even he wasnt bothered trying to defend it.
Hes still got a long way to go before he see's reality but maybe he'll get there... Luckily for most of the posters on this forum , the poster to whom you refer is highly respected on these forums and has a wealth of experience in real life . He predicted both the results of the referendum in the UK and the result of the USA elction correctly . He was sufficently confident to put money on both sets of results . Not only that , he has also canvassed during election campaigns and gained extensive knowledge of local communities by knocking doors and listening to constituents . This information is probably vastly superior to that obtained from doing internet searches . In addition to all of the above his attendance at various clubs means that he has his feet firmly on the ground and knows what is happening around him ( hence the ability to predict both sets of results corectly ) .
comedy gold again Pat..
you forgot to mention that he also is a supporter of such ideology where its ok for a white person to mow down indiscriminately innocent persons, same said white person being a vile racist supporter of the Nazi's and the KKK again which he being to whom you are so blindly idolising did not have the decency to condemn..
when its an attack by someone not white he is suddenly vociferous..
when a racist right wing coward killed Jo Cox he also went straight to the mentally ill defence even when it was public knowledge what the guy's politics were, not that dissimilar from he to whom you now extol..
You really should apologise for such a blatant slanderous post which is full of nothing by bare faced lies. Fabio tried to peddle this exact same shit a few months ago on another thread and when I challenged him over it he went silent. Oh and still waiting for that apology from you Fabio if you're reading this. So once again to set the record straight I did condemn the right wing extremists in Charlottesville who carried out that attack (so did Donald Trump as it happens). I also equally condemned the Antifa protestors (as Donald Trump did) on the opposite side who turned up there wearing masks and carrying weapons who were looking for a fight and went to Charlottesville for no other reason that to stir up trouble and cause a riot or fight.
On your 2nd point about supporting the Nazis and the kkk, where at any time have I ever said I supported those groups? I challenged Fabio to provide a link to any thread which he failed to reply to (because you can dig all you like, you won't find any threads where I say I support those groups). Yes I do condemn Muslim jihadist extremist terrorists who commit atrocities vociferously, do you consider that to be a bad thing? Do you think they should be congratulated????? Lastly on the murder of Jo Cox the case has revealed the murderer had suffered with a long and well documented history of mental illness, are you now disputing the facts of the case as laid out by the police?
No you didn't condemn them as supporters of the Nazi's and the KKK..
you made the same glib spineless comment that Trump did..
Go back and look and you will see that i have condemned all terrorist and racist attacks by anyone who carries them out regardless..
spare me the bollocks about thomas mair and his issues with mental health, he was and is lauded by the scum that is national action..
you have ignored the rise in racial attacks on good decent people post Brexit and have even tried to argue that there has not been an increase, so you will have no apology from me for saying what you are by your posts over the past few years..
I agree the said poster was asked umpteen times to condemn these attacks her never did...but being a member of a certain group we couldnt expect anything else
That may have happened in your own little dream world but in reality I condemned both sides (as Donald Trump did) and still do. "please provide links where you condemned these and the other atrocities mentioned previously please | |||
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"notice that centy, when talking about trump and obama (and getting schooled as per usual), has stopped peddling the "trump is going to give the UK a special deal" line........ we'll if we can start getting him telling the truth once in a while... i'll take that as progress
Centy tried to claim Davies beat the EU when he capitulated in sequencing too because The Sun told him it was a victory, but he eventually stopped pedalling that too.
And he completely abandoned the study this thread was started for. It was such an empty useless study that even he wasnt bothered trying to defend it.
Hes still got a long way to go before he see's reality but maybe he'll get there... Luckily for most of the posters on this forum , the poster to whom you refer is highly respected on these forums and has a wealth of experience in real life . He predicted both the results of the referendum in the UK and the result of the USA elction correctly . He was sufficently confident to put money on both sets of results . Not only that , he has also canvassed during election campaigns and gained extensive knowledge of local communities by knocking doors and listening to constituents . This information is probably vastly superior to that obtained from doing internet searches . In addition to all of the above his attendance at various clubs means that he has his feet firmly on the ground and knows what is happening around him ( hence the ability to predict both sets of results corectly ) .
comedy gold again Pat..
you forgot to mention that he also is a supporter of such ideology where its ok for a white person to mow down indiscriminately innocent persons, same said white person being a vile racist supporter of the Nazi's and the KKK again which he being to whom you are so blindly idolising did not have the decency to condemn..
when its an attack by someone not white he is suddenly vociferous..
when a racist right wing coward killed Jo Cox he also went straight to the mentally ill defence even when it was public knowledge what the guy's politics were, not that dissimilar from he to whom you now extol..
You really should apologise for such a blatant slanderous post which is full of nothing by bare faced lies. Fabio tried to peddle this exact same shit a few months ago on another thread and when I challenged him over it he went silent. Oh and still waiting for that apology from you Fabio if you're reading this. So once again to set the record straight I did condemn the right wing extremists in Charlottesville who carried out that attack (so did Donald Trump as it happens). I also equally condemned the Antifa protestors (as Donald Trump did) on the opposite side who turned up there wearing masks and carrying weapons who were looking for a fight and went to Charlottesville for no other reason that to stir up trouble and cause a riot or fight.
On your 2nd point about supporting the Nazis and the kkk, where at any time have I ever said I supported those groups? I challenged Fabio to provide a link to any thread which he failed to reply to (because you can dig all you like, you won't find any threads where I say I support those groups). Yes I do condemn Muslim jihadist extremist terrorists who commit atrocities vociferously, do you consider that to be a bad thing? Do you think they should be congratulated????? Lastly on the murder of Jo Cox the case has revealed the murderer had suffered with a long and well documented history of mental illness, are you now disputing the facts of the case as laid out by the police?
can you provide links to the threads where you condemned these atrocities? i can't remember any condemnation so some proof of your condemnation is required for it to be truth.
I condemned it on Fabio's Charlottesville thread at the time when it happened. I condemned both sides who turned up there looking for a fight that day. Some (of whom have posted on this thread with this nonsense) only condemned one side though and could see no fault what so ever on the other side where it was clear on mainstream news video footage both sides had come carrying weapons, wearing masks and looking for trouble. "you did not condemn the driver of the car, you refused to even call him a domestic terrorist or use the word terrorist.. pretty much everyone condemned the violence on both sides too.. Are you now totally condemning those who wear the regalia of the Nazi's and the KKK ? | |||
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"notice that centy, when talking about trump and obama (and getting schooled as per usual), has stopped peddling the "trump is going to give the UK a special deal" line........ we'll if we can start getting him telling the truth once in a while... i'll take that as progress
Centy tried to claim Davies beat the EU when he capitulated in sequencing too because The Sun told him it was a victory, but he eventually stopped pedalling that too.
And he completely abandoned the study this thread was started for. It was such an empty useless study that even he wasnt bothered trying to defend it.
Hes still got a long way to go before he see's reality but maybe he'll get there... Luckily for most of the posters on this forum , the poster to whom you refer is highly respected on these forums and has a wealth of experience in real life . He predicted both the results of the referendum in the UK and the result of the USA elction correctly . He was sufficently confident to put money on both sets of results . Not only that , he has also canvassed during election campaigns and gained extensive knowledge of local communities by knocking doors and listening to constituents . This information is probably vastly superior to that obtained from doing internet searches . In addition to all of the above his attendance at various clubs means that he has his feet firmly on the ground and knows what is happening around him ( hence the ability to predict both sets of results corectly ) . "
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"notice that centy, when talking about trump and obama (and getting schooled as per usual), has stopped peddling the "trump is going to give the UK a special deal" line........ we'll if we can start getting him telling the truth once in a while... i'll take that as progress
Centy tried to claim Davies beat the EU when he capitulated in sequencing too because The Sun told him it was a victory, but he eventually stopped pedalling that too.
And he completely abandoned the study this thread was started for. It was such an empty useless study that even he wasnt bothered trying to defend it.
Hes still got a long way to go before he see's reality but maybe he'll get there... Luckily for most of the posters on this forum , the poster to whom you refer is highly respected on these forums and has a wealth of experience in real life . He predicted both the results of the referendum in the UK and the result of the USA elction correctly . He was sufficently confident to put money on both sets of results . Not only that , he has also canvassed during election campaigns and gained extensive knowledge of local communities by knocking doors and listening to constituents . This information is probably vastly superior to that obtained from doing internet searches . In addition to all of the above his attendance at various clubs means that he has his feet firmly on the ground and knows what is happening around him ( hence the ability to predict both sets of results corectly ) .
comedy gold again Pat..
you forgot to mention that he also is a supporter of such ideology where its ok for a white person to mow down indiscriminately innocent persons, same said white person being a vile racist supporter of the Nazi's and the KKK again which he being to whom you are so blindly idolising did not have the decency to condemn..
when its an attack by someone not white he is suddenly vociferous..
when a racist right wing coward killed Jo Cox he also went straight to the mentally ill defence even when it was public knowledge what the guy's politics were, not that dissimilar from he to whom you now extol..
You really should apologise for such a blatant slanderous post which is full of nothing by bare faced lies. Fabio tried to peddle this exact same shit a few months ago on another thread and when I challenged him over it he went silent. Oh and still waiting for that apology from you Fabio if you're reading this. So once again to set the record straight I did condemn the right wing extremists in Charlottesville who carried out that attack (so did Donald Trump as it happens). I also equally condemned the Antifa protestors (as Donald Trump did) on the opposite side who turned up there wearing masks and carrying weapons who were looking for a fight and went to Charlottesville for no other reason that to stir up trouble and cause a riot or fight.
On your 2nd point about supporting the Nazis and the kkk, where at any time have I ever said I supported those groups? I challenged Fabio to provide a link to any thread which he failed to reply to (because you can dig all you like, you won't find any threads where I say I support those groups). Yes I do condemn Muslim jihadist extremist terrorists who commit atrocities vociferously, do you consider that to be a bad thing? Do you think they should be congratulated????? Lastly on the murder of Jo Cox the case has revealed the murderer had suffered with a long and well documented history of mental illness, are you now disputing the facts of the case as laid out by the police?
No you didn't condemn them as supporters of the Nazi's and the KKK..
you made the same glib spineless comment that Trump did..
Go back and look and you will see that i have condemned all terrorist and racist attacks by anyone who carries them out regardless..
spare me the bollocks about thomas mair and his issues with mental health, he was and is lauded by the scum that is national action..
you have ignored the rise in racial attacks on good decent people post Brexit and have even tried to argue that there has not been an increase, so you will have no apology from me for saying what you are by your posts over the past few years..
I agree the said poster was asked umpteen times to condemn these attacks her never did...but being a member of a certain group we couldnt expect anything else
That may have happened in your own little dream world but in reality I condemned both sides (as Donald Trump did) and still do.
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"Yeah, if you get to the point where you cant condemn people who describe themselves as nazis, you really need to take a good long look at yourself in the mirror and ask what you have become. "
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"Yeah, if you get to the point where you cant condemn people who describe themselves as nazis, you really need to take a good long look at yourself in the mirror and ask what you have become. " Which part of "both sides were condemned" don't you understand? | |||
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"Yeah, if you get to the point where you cant condemn people who describe themselves as nazis, you really need to take a good long look at yourself in the mirror and ask what you have become. Which part of "both sides were condemned" don't you understand? "The bit were you didnt | |||
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"Yeah, if you get to the point where you cant condemn people who describe themselves as nazis, you really need to take a good long look at yourself in the mirror and ask what you have become. Which part of "both sides were condemned" don't you understand? "what part of the direst question that you are avoiding about you condemning the Nazis and the KKK supporters is too difficult for you? Or is it the case that you simply wont do so.. | |||
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"Yeah, if you get to the point where you cant condemn people who describe themselves as nazis, you really need to take a good long look at yourself in the mirror and ask what you have become.
shameful.."the sad fact is that these kind of people are not willing to feel shame | |||
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"Yeah, if you get to the point where you cant condemn people who describe themselves as nazis, you really need to take a good long look at yourself in the mirror and ask what you have become. Which part of "both sides were condemned" don't you understand?
The bit were you didnt "I did though. I even gave the name of the thread and the name of the poster who started the thread in an earlier post. Donald Trump also did and it was broadcast worldwide on the mainstream news channels, it really is laughable and frankly pathetic that you are trying to deny it happened. | |||
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"Yeah, if you get to the point where you cant condemn people who describe themselves as nazis, you really need to take a good long look at yourself in the mirror and ask what you have become.
shameful..
the sad fact is that these kind of people are not willing to feel shame "in the week of remembrance when people of all colours are rightly honoured for the sacrifices they made against the vile fascist ideology that was the Nazi's its more telling that there are still some on here like Centaur who refuses to condemn the supporters of Nazi's.. | |||
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"So once again to set the record straight I did condemn the right wing extremists in Charlottesville who carried out that attack (so did Donald Trump as it happens). I also equally condemned the Antifa protestors (as Donald Trump did) on the opposite side who turned up there wearing masks and carrying weapons who were looking for a fight and went to Charlottesville for no other reason that to stir up trouble and cause a riot or fight. On your 2nd point about supporting the Nazis and the kkk, where at any time have I ever said I supported those groups? I challenged Fabio to provide a link to any thread which he failed to reply to (because you can dig all you like, you won't find any threads where I say I support those groups). Yes I do condemn Muslim jihadist extremist terrorists who commit atrocities vociferously, do you consider that to be a bad thing? Do you think they should be congratulated????? Lastly on the murder of Jo Cox the case has revealed the murderer had suffered with a long and well documented history of mental illness, are you now disputing the facts of the case as laid out by the police?" i scoured the relevant threads and can't find any post where you outright condemned the atrocities mentioned, just stuff about mental illness etc .... you had ample time to get the links up but then that would seem to be impossible as they seem not exist as far as i can tell | |||
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