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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Will UK be staying in the single market and customs union ,
For the uk to leave means there will be a hard border between the north and south of Ireland ,
That is going against good Friday agreement ,
Irish government totally agents it .
To put leave northern Ireland in the customs union and the rest of the uk out of it will bring down uk government as northern unionists won't except that ,
What's the options ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We don’t need to be in the single market or the customs union.
The ideal solution is tariff free trade..... though unsure that is currently very likely.
The border between Sweden and Norway seems to work as a solution in a similar position. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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To be honest, I don't know why the government doesn't just implement the Norwegian EEC model and give both halves something that they wanted.
It's already tested and just slots right in with less unknowns  |
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"To be honest, I don't know why the government doesn't just implement the Norwegian EEC model and give both halves something that they wanted.
It's already tested and just slots right in with less unknowns "
It works in Norway but this ant norway , Norwegian goods (with exceptions for farm produce and fish) are imported tariff-free into the EU.
In northern Ireland 33% of farm produce crossover to southern ireland to be processed ,
How will this be policed without a hard border ,
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By (user no longer on site)
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"To be honest, I don't know why the government doesn't just implement the Norwegian EEC model and give both halves something that they wanted.
It's already tested and just slots right in with less unknowns
It works in Norway but this ant norway , Norwegian goods (with exceptions for farm produce and fish) are imported tariff-free into the EU.
In northern Ireland 33% of farm produce crossover to southern ireland to be processed ,
How will this be policed without a hard border ,
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I think there both negotiating to not have a hard border.
Personally I'd have given northern Ireland a referendum on independence straight off the bat.
They vote yes, problem solved.
They vote no, problem solved |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"To be honest, I don't know why the government doesn't just implement the Norwegian EEC model and give both halves something that they wanted.
It's already tested and just slots right in with less unknowns
It works in Norway but this ant norway , Norwegian goods (with exceptions for farm produce and
fish) are imported tariff-free into the EU.
In northern Ireland 33% of farm produce crossover to southern ireland to be processed ,
How will this be policed without a hard border ,
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I think there both negotiating to not have a hard border.
Personally I'd have given northern Ireland a referendum on independence straight off the bat.
They vote yes, problem solved.
They vote no, problem solved"
If northern Ireland voted to leave the uk it would sort out the border issue , but uk government falls as they relying on uup support ,
If they stayed part of the uk then we back in the same mess
I honestly can't see it working without a hard border somewhere be it the irish sea or across the island of Ireland
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"We don’t need to be in the single market or the customs union.
Why would the EU give is tariff free access to the EU if we are not in the EU, single market or customs union?"
That would be wishful thinking |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"To be honest, I don't know why the government doesn't just implement the Norwegian EEC model and give both halves something that they wanted.
It's already tested and just slots right in with less unknowns
It works in Norway but this ant norway , Norwegian goods (with exceptions for farm produce and
fish) are imported tariff-free into the EU.
In northern Ireland 33% of farm produce crossover to southern ireland to be processed ,
How will this be policed without a hard border ,
.
I think there both negotiating to not have a hard border.
Personally I'd have given northern Ireland a referendum on independence straight off the bat.
They vote yes, problem solved.
They vote no, problem solved
If northern Ireland voted to leave the uk it would sort out the border issue , but uk government falls as they relying on uup support ,
If they stayed part of the uk then we back in the same mess
I honestly can't see it working without a hard border somewhere be it the irish sea or across the island of Ireland
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Can't really see the democratic UNIONIST party going for that one.  |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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As the one part of the UK that actually has a land border, its been woefully ignored by the UK govt. Brexit will affect N.Ireland in ways that it won't affect England, Scotland or Wales. As far as the local politicians are concerned, SF will the crisis grow knowing a hard brexit will strengthen the case for a United Ireland. The DUP thinking has been anorexic, reactionary and short term. You can't over look the fact that they're kingmakers and terrified of Jeremy C in No 10.
There's a growing realisation in the republic that they have to fight their case to protect their own economy and interests. It's akin to standing next to someone that has announced they're going to shoot themselves in the head.
The UK govt has been the biggest disappointment of all, 'frictionless border' my arse. All we have heard is meaningless soundbites and this week they started to brief the newspapers in a very negative way.
If the story in todays guardian is true, then we will start seeing the EU use the border as a pressure point in negotiations.
This quote by Churchill is as pertinent today as it was 60 years ago
‘Then came the Great War ... Every institution, almost, in the world was strained. Great empires have been overturned. The whole map of Europe has been changed ...; The mode of thought of men, the whole outlook on affairs, the grouping of parties, all have encountered violent and tremendous changes in the deluge of the world, bas as the deluge subsides and waters fall, we see the dreary steeple of Fermanagh and Tyrone emerging once again. The integrity of their quarrel is one of the few instituions that have been unaltered in the cataclysm which has swept the world. |
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The government cares little for the important details or how the majority of the people will cope, with the limited lives this brings -
They're just focused on keeping the swivel eyed right-wingers amongst them calmed, probably taking a hard Brexit departure and hoping that conservative party doesn't self-implode. It's pretty much stumbling along on a moment by moment basis.
The incredibly important aspects such as the Irish/NI border, customs and much past this week is outside of their short sightedness or intelligence - as well as their paymasters remit. Tragic  |
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