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over a year ago
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I don't think talk of revoking Brexit is helpful to anyone. Here in the forum, we'll still hear the pathetic condemnation of the out voters, instead of coming to terms with what's happening. |
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"I don't think talk of revoking Brexit is helpful to anyone. Here in the forum, we'll still hear the pathetic condemnation of the out voters, instead of coming to terms with what's happening."
 completely agree, we had a referendum, both sides campaigned then we had a vote and the Leave campaign won. Article 50 has been triggered and we are now well into the process of leaving the EU. Democracy must be respected and the result of the referendum must be respected. The will of the people must be implemented and personally I'm very much looking forward to March 2019. The day we leave will be a great day in the UK's history as we finally free ourselves from this wretched, corrupt, money grabbing, anti democratic, neo liberal, shambolic, deeply flawed and crisis riddled protection racket in Brussels. |
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over a year ago
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"I don't think talk of revoking Brexit is helpful to anyone. Here in the forum, we'll still hear the pathetic condemnation of the out voters, instead of coming to terms with what's happening.
completely agree, we had a referendum, both sides campaigned then we had a vote and the Leave campaign won. Article 50 has been triggered and we are now well into the process of leaving the EU. Democracy must be respected and the result of the referendum must be respected. The will of the people must be implemented and personally I'm very much looking forward to March 2019. The day we leave will be a great day in the UK's history as we finally free ourselves from this wretched, corrupt, money grabbing, anti democratic, neo liberal, shambolic, deeply flawed and crisis riddled protection racket in Brussels. "
Agree 100% |
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"I don't think talk of revoking Brexit is helpful to anyone. Here in the forum, we'll still hear the pathetic condemnation of the out voters, instead of coming to terms with what's happening.
completely agree, we had a referendum, both sides campaigned then we had a vote and the Leave campaign won. Article 50 has been triggered and we are now well into the process of leaving the EU. Democracy must be respected and the result of the referendum must be respected. The will of the people must be implemented and personally I'm very much looking forward to March 2019. The day we leave will be a great day in the UK's history as we finally free ourselves from this wretched, corrupt, money grabbing, anti democratic, neo liberal, shambolic, deeply flawed and crisis riddled protection racket in Brussels. "
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"I don't think talk of revoking Brexit is helpful to anyone. Here in the forum, we'll still hear the pathetic condemnation of the out voters, instead of coming to terms with what's happening.
completely agree, we had a referendum, both sides campaigned then we had a vote and the Leave campaign won. Article 50 has been triggered and we are now well into the process of leaving the EU. Democracy must be respected and the result of the referendum must be respected. The will of the people must be implemented and personally I'm very much looking forward to March 2019. The day we leave will be a great day in the UK's history as we finally free ourselves from this wretched, corrupt, money grabbing, anti democratic, neo liberal, shambolic, deeply flawed and crisis riddled protection racket in Brussels. "
*yawn*
Watching you cheerlead this moronic course of action has become boring.
But watching you spin the catastrofuck as it happens post 2019 should be entertaining for a bit. |
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"I don't think talk of revoking Brexit is helpful to anyone. Here in the forum, we'll still hear the pathetic condemnation of the out voters, instead of coming to terms with what's happening.
completely agree, we had a referendum, both sides campaigned then we had a vote and the Leave campaign won. Article 50 has been triggered and we are now well into the process of leaving the EU. Democracy must be respected and the result of the referendum must be respected. The will of the people must be implemented and personally I'm very much looking forward to March 2019. The day we leave will be a great day in the UK's history as we finally free ourselves from this wretched, corrupt, money grabbing, anti democratic, neo liberal, shambolic, deeply flawed and crisis riddled protection racket in Brussels.
*yawn*
Watching you cheerlead this moronic course of action has become boring.
But watching you spin the catastrofuck as it happens post 2019 should be entertaining for a bit. "
More yawn I have to agree with you
They don’t no what there letting themselves in for
But they no best thevttoubkr is as near as dam it the country is split 50 50 the unrest will he here for years to come mind with this goverment ile be surprised if there still around come Christmas
Talk about strong and stable leadership
It’s more like weak as piss leadership |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I don't think talk of revoking Brexit is helpful to anyone. Here in the forum, we'll still hear the pathetic condemnation of the out voters, instead of coming to terms with what's happening.
completely agree, we had a referendum, both sides campaigned then we had a vote and the Leave campaign won. Article 50 has been triggered and we are now well into the process of leaving the EU. Democracy must be respected and the result of the referendum must be respected. The will of the people must be implemented and personally I'm very much looking forward to March 2019. The day we leave will be a great day in the UK's history as we finally free ourselves from this wretched, corrupt, money grabbing, anti democratic, neo liberal, shambolic, deeply flawed and crisis riddled protection racket in Brussels.
*yawn*
Watching you cheerlead this moronic course of action has become boring.
But watching you spin the catastrofuck as it happens post 2019 should be entertaining for a bit.
More yawn I have to agree with you
They don’t no what there letting themselves in for
But they no best thevttoubkr is as near as dam it the country is split 50 50 the unrest will he here for years to come mind with this goverment ile be surprised if there still around come Christmas
Talk about strong and stable leadership
It’s more like weak as piss leadership "
I am guessing you don't belong in the "leavers are uneducated" camp. Slaps own wrists for being an educated Brexiteer grammar and spelling Nazi  .
Seriously though, you express yourself as though the government wanted Brexit. The referendum wasn't party affiliated. The government is carrying through what was determined through democratic process.
As for "they don't know what they have let themselves in for", only those with a crystal ball do . Besides the "they" is now "we" because you are part of it, like it or lump it.  |
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"I don't think talk of revoking Brexit is helpful to anyone. Here in the forum, we'll still hear the pathetic condemnation of the out voters, instead of coming to terms with what's happening.
completely agree, we had a referendum, both sides campaigned then we had a vote and the Leave campaign won. Article 50 has been triggered and we are now well into the process of leaving the EU. Democracy must be respected and the result of the referendum must be respected. The will of the people must be implemented and personally I'm very much looking forward to March 2019. The day we leave will be a great day in the UK's history as we finally free ourselves from this wretched, corrupt, money grabbing, anti democratic, neo liberal, shambolic, deeply flawed and crisis riddled protection racket in Brussels.
*yawn*
Watching you cheerlead this moronic course of action has become boring.
But watching you spin the catastrofuck as it happens post 2019 should be entertaining for a bit.
More yawn I have to agree with you
They don’t no what there letting themselves in for
But they no best thevttoubkr is as near as dam it the country is split 50 50 the unrest will he here for years to come mind with this goverment ile be surprised if there still around come Christmas
Talk about strong and stable leadership
It’s more like weak as piss leadership
I am guessing you don't belong in the "leavers are uneducated" camp. Slaps own wrists for being an educated Brexiteer grammar and spelling Nazi .
Seriously though, you express yourself as though the government wanted Brexit. The referendum wasn't party affiliated. The government is carrying through what was determined through democratic process.
As for "they don't know what they have let themselves in for", only those with a crystal ball do . Besides the "they" is now "we" because you are part of it, like it or lump it. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't think talk of revoking Brexit is helpful to anyone. Here in the forum, we'll still hear the pathetic condemnation of the out voters, instead of coming to terms with what's happening.
completely agree, we had a referendum, both sides campaigned then we had a vote and the Leave campaign won. Article 50 has been triggered and we are now well into the process of leaving the EU. Democracy must be respected and the result of the referendum must be respected. The will of the people must be implemented and personally I'm very much looking forward to March 2019. The day we leave will be a great day in the UK's history as we finally free ourselves from this wretched, corrupt, money grabbing, anti democratic, neo liberal, shambolic, deeply flawed and crisis riddled protection racket in Brussels.
*yawn*
Watching you cheerlead this moronic course of action has become boring.
But watching you spin the catastrofuck as it happens post 2019 should be entertaining for a bit.
More yawn I have to agree with you
They don’t no what there letting themselves in for
But they no best thevttoubkr is as near as dam it the country is split 50 50 the unrest will he here for years to come mind with this goverment ile be surprised if there still around come Christmas
Talk about strong and stable leadership
It’s more like weak as piss leadership
I am guessing you don't belong in the "leavers are uneducated" camp. Slaps own wrists for being an educated Brexiteer grammar and spelling Nazi .
Seriously though, you express yourself as though the government wanted Brexit. The referendum wasn't party affiliated. The government is carrying through what was determined through democratic process.
As for "they don't know what they have let themselves in for", only those with a crystal ball do . Besides the "they" is now "we" because you are part of it, like it or lump it. "
But actually just "like it" because otherwise you might get accused of being a traitor, or worse still, a "remoaner" |
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"I don't think talk of revoking Brexit is helpful to anyone. Here in the forum, we'll still hear the pathetic condemnation of the out voters, instead of coming to terms with what's happening.
completely agree, we had a referendum, both sides campaigned then we had a vote and the Leave campaign won. Article 50 has been triggered and we are now well into the process of leaving the EU. Democracy must be respected and the result of the referendum must be respected. The will of the people must be implemented and personally I'm very much looking forward to March 2019. The day we leave will be a great day in the UK's history as we finally free ourselves from this wretched, corrupt, money grabbing, anti democratic, neo liberal, shambolic, deeply flawed and crisis riddled protection racket in Brussels.
*yawn*
Watching you cheerlead this moronic course of action has become boring.
But watching you spin the catastrofuck as it happens post 2019 should be entertaining for a bit.
More yawn I have to agree with you
They don’t no what there letting themselves in for
But they no best thevttoubkr is as near as dam it the country is split 50 50 the unrest will he here for years to come mind with this goverment ile be surprised if there still around come Christmas
Talk about strong and stable leadership
It’s more like weak as piss leadership
I am guessing you don't belong in the "leavers are uneducated" camp. Slaps own wrists for being an educated Brexiteer grammar and spelling Nazi .
Seriously though, you express yourself as though the government wanted Brexit. The referendum wasn't party affiliated. The government is carrying through what was determined through democratic process.
As for "they don't know what they have let themselves in for", only those with a crystal ball do . Besides the "they" is now "we" because you are part of it, like it or lump it.
Oh yes I love it winding you lot up on here
Yawn and more yawns
Wait and see who’s laughing in 5. Years time
But actually just "like it" because otherwise you might get accused of being a traitor, or worse still, a "remoaner""
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Brexit will always be reversable. It can be stopped any time before the UK leaves or after. That should be obvious to anyone.
If it goes ahead I can watch the Tories implode as disaster hits. If it stops I can watch the few vocal Brexiteers explode. Win-win
And between now and then I can get a laugh as Brexiteers watch all their predictions fall apart and then get all confused. "You cant see the future without a crystal ball" roughly translating to:I was completely wrong so surely everyone is as cluelesa as me...right? |
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"I don't think talk of revoking Brexit is helpful to anyone. Here in the forum, we'll still hear the pathetic condemnation of the out voters, instead of coming to terms with what's happening.
completely agree, we had a referendum, both sides campaigned then we had a vote and the Leave campaign won. Article 50 has been triggered and we are now well into the process of leaving the EU. Democracy must be respected and the result of the referendum must be respected. The will of the people must be implemented and personally I'm very much looking forward to March 2019. The day we leave will be a great day in the UK's history as we finally free ourselves from this wretched, corrupt, money grabbing, anti democratic, neo liberal, shambolic, deeply flawed and crisis riddled protection racket in Brussels. Agree 100% "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Brexit will always be reversable. It can be stopped any time before the UK leaves or after. That should be obvious to anyone.
If it goes ahead I can watch the Tories implode as disaster hits. If it stops I can watch the few vocal Brexiteers explode. Win-win
And between now and then I can get a laugh as Brexiteers watch all their predictions fall apart and then get all confused. "You cant see the future without a crystal ball" roughly translating to:I was completely wrong so surely everyone is as cluelesa as me...right?"
What predictions?
I imagine the pound and economy getting worse before it settles (and hopefully improves), but that happens at every unsettling period in time (such as electing a govt). |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know exactly what I'm letting myself in for .I remember how good it was before we joined the mickey mouse club "
Human memory is notoriously unreliable. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Brexit will always be reversable. It can be stopped any time before the UK leaves or after. That should be obvious to anyone.
If it goes ahead I can watch the Tories implode as disaster hits. If it stops I can watch the few vocal Brexiteers explode. Win-win
And between now and then I can get a laugh as Brexiteers watch all their predictions fall apart and then get all confused. "You cant see the future without a crystal ball" roughly translating to:I was completely wrong so surely everyone is as cluelesa as me...right?"
Luckily for those living and working in the UK the economy is performing strongly with car sales at an all time high and those who run businesses ( and consequently keep all of us in employment) are confident of the future . Stock and shares remain at all time highs with no rush by any organisation or fund manager to sell off their investments. Those who acted on the predictions of project doom would now be nursing heavy losses. The reality is that all parties will continue to buy and sell each other's goods and we are only talking about minor adjustments to duties ( If any ). |
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"I know exactly what I'm letting myself in for .I remember how good it was before we joined the mickey mouse club "
No, you remember a world that doesnt exist any more. You might as well say things were better when stonehenge was being built for all the relevance that has.
The Britain of the 60s doesnt exist and neither does the world it inhabits. Britain was the dominant power in Europe and it was the 2nd biggest economy in the world. Now you're just trying to hold a top ten place with emerging nations gaining and the UKs growth slwoing almost to a standstill.
Youre in effect getting rid of electricity because you remember the good old days before tv and phones ruined social interaction completely ignoring the fact that the rest of the world has moved on and will swallow you whole because theyre keeping the advantages youre throwing away.
You think the EU is bad? Wait until you have to do a deal with China all on your own and they know that youre desperate to get a deal done because your economy will be irreprably damaged if you cant. |
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"Brexit will always be reversable. It can be stopped any time before the UK leaves or after. That should be obvious to anyone.
If it goes ahead I can watch the Tories implode as disaster hits. If it stops I can watch the few vocal Brexiteers explode. Win-win
And between now and then I can get a laugh as Brexiteers watch all their predictions fall apart and then get all confused. "You cant see the future without a crystal ball" roughly translating to:I was completely wrong so surely everyone is as cluelesa as me...right?
What predictions?
I imagine the pound and economy getting worse before it settles (and hopefully improves), but that happens at every unsettling period in time (such as electing a govt). "
The only predictions that have fallen apart so far have been those of the Remain campaign. And yeah I've had a good laugh while these so called experts have got all confused as the UK economy continues to grow.  |
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"Brexit will always be reversable. It can be stopped any time before the UK leaves or after. That should be obvious to anyone.
If it goes ahead I can watch the Tories implode as disaster hits. If it stops I can watch the few vocal Brexiteers explode. Win-win
And between now and then I can get a laugh as Brexiteers watch all their predictions fall apart and then get all confused. "You cant see the future without a crystal ball" roughly translating to:I was completely wrong so surely everyone is as cluelesa as me...right? Luckily for those living and working in the UK the economy is performing strongly with car sales at an all time high and those who run businesses ( and consequently keep all of us in employment) are confident of the future . Stock and shares remain at all time highs with no rush by any organisation or fund manager to sell off their investments. Those who acted on the predictions of project doom would now be nursing heavy losses. The reality is that all parties will continue to buy and sell each other's goods and we are only talking about minor adjustments to duties ( If any ). "
You dont understand the economy. You might remember about half a dozen of us spent 2 months trying to explain it to you in painstakingly simple details and you couldnt wrap your head around it eventually sinking to the level of defending paedophilia because the EU wanted to prosecute a British child abuser on the run in France. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Brexit will always be reversable. It can be stopped any time before the UK leaves or after. That should be obvious to anyone.
If it goes ahead I can watch the Tories implode as disaster hits. If it stops I can watch the few vocal Brexiteers explode. Win-win
And between now and then I can get a laugh as Brexiteers watch all their predictions fall apart and then get all confused. "You cant see the future without a crystal ball" roughly translating to:I was completely wrong so surely everyone is as cluelesa as me...right? Luckily for those living and working in the UK the economy is performing strongly with car sales at an all time high and those who run businesses ( and consequently keep all of us in employment) are confident of the future . Stock and shares remain at all time highs with no rush by any organisation or fund manager to sell off their investments. Those who acted on the predictions of project doom would now be nursing heavy losses. The reality is that all parties will continue to buy and sell each other's goods and we are only talking about minor adjustments to duties ( If any ).
You dont understand the economy. You might remember about half a dozen of us spent 2 months trying to explain it to you in painstakingly simple details and you couldnt wrap your head around it eventually sinking to the level of defending paedophilia because the EU wanted to prosecute a British child abuser on the run in France."
Luckily everyone is entitled to an opinion. Most people prefer to accept a strongly performing stock market as being exactly that and good news for both the UK economy and any pensioner who is dependent on dividend income . Opinions have to be formed based on what one sees in the news and also with your own eyes based on what you see in various town and City Centres. It would appear that some people are disappointed when good news is reported and can only dwell on negative aspects of it. |
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"Brexit will always be reversable. It can be stopped any time before the UK leaves or after. That should be obvious to anyone.
If it goes ahead I can watch the Tories implode as disaster hits. If it stops I can watch the few vocal Brexiteers explode. Win-win
And between now and then I can get a laugh as Brexiteers watch all their predictions fall apart and then get all confused. "You cant see the future without a crystal ball" roughly translating to:I was completely wrong so surely everyone is as cluelesa as me...right? Luckily for those living and working in the UK the economy is performing strongly with car sales at an all time high and those who run businesses ( and consequently keep all of us in employment) are confident of the future . Stock and shares remain at all time highs with no rush by any organisation or fund manager to sell off their investments. Those who acted on the predictions of project doom would now be nursing heavy losses. The reality is that all parties will continue to buy and sell each other's goods and we are only talking about minor adjustments to duties ( If any ).
You dont understand the economy. You might remember about half a dozen of us spent 2 months trying to explain it to you in painstakingly simple details and you couldnt wrap your head around it eventually sinking to the level of defending paedophilia because the EU wanted to prosecute a British child abuser on the run in France. Luckily everyone is entitled to an opinion. Most people prefer to accept a strongly performing stock market as being exactly that and good news for both the UK economy and any pensioner who is dependent on dividend income . Opinions have to be formed based on what one sees in the news and also with your own eyes based on what you see in various town and City Centres. It would appear that some people are disappointed when good news is reported and can only dwell on negative aspects of it. "
Well my friend your eyes must be firmly closed  |
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"Low pound = High stock market 
High pound = Low stock market
Low pound = Higher imports
High pound = Cheaper imports
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However a low pound makes our exports more competitive and is good news for those who work in any industry that exports . It is difficult to see why there would be any long term correlation between share prices and exchange rates as we both import and export goods . It is more a case of swings and roundabouts.
The FTSE will be based on what investors consider to be the long term future prospects and earning potential of companies . The current high indicates that most fund managers consider the future to be bright .
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"Luckily everyone is entitled to an opinion."
No.
They're "entitled" to what they can argue for.
And more to the point "I'm entitled to my opinion" ought to be the start of the conversion, and not as you're using it, the end of it. |
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Europe is shit...it has nothing of any real value...
We need ships to sail to Africa/south america/india/China
Nobody needs Euro wine cheese and holiday homes in the canaries for sexual deviance.
^^^you need oil gold uranium copper platinum...
It's not in Europe.
You want BMW but Kia is a better car. |
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"Low pound = High stock market
High pound = Low stock market
Low pound = Higher imports
High pound = Cheaper imports
However a low pound makes our exports more competitive and is good news for those who work in any industry that exports . It is difficult to see why there would be any long term correlation between share prices and exchange rates as we both import and export goods . It is more a case of swings and roundabouts.
The FTSE will be based on what investors consider to be the long term future prospects and earning potential of companies . The current high indicates that most fund managers consider the future to be bright .
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But you see there lies the problem....we dont manufacture hardly anything now....most of the stuff we export is services...hench a lot of them thinking about upping sticks and fucking off |
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"I know exactly what I'm letting myself in for .I remember how good it was before we joined the mickey mouse club
No, you remember a world that doesnt exist any more. You might as well say things were better when stonehenge was being built for all the relevance that has.
The Britain of the 60s doesnt exist and neither does the world it inhabits. Britain was the dominant power in Europe and it was the 2nd biggest economy in the world. Now you're just trying to hold a top ten place with emerging nations gaining and the UKs growth slwoing almost to a standstill.
Youre in effect getting rid of electricity because you remember the good old days before tv and phones ruined social interaction completely ignoring the fact that the rest of the world has moved on and will swallow you whole because theyre keeping the advantages youre throwing away.
You think the EU is bad? Wait until you have to do a deal with China all on your own and they know that youre desperate to get a deal done because your economy will be irreprably damaged if you cant."
come back in 10 years see who has the last laugh. its time to take your blinkers off.you've been brain washed . |
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"Brexit will always be reversable. It can be stopped any time before the UK leaves or after. That should be obvious to anyone.
If it goes ahead I can watch the Tories implode as disaster hits. If it stops I can watch the few vocal Brexiteers explode. Win-win
And between now and then I can get a laugh as Brexiteers watch all their predictions fall apart and then get all confused. "You cant see the future without a crystal ball" roughly translating to:I was completely wrong so surely everyone is as cluelesa as me...right?
What predictions?
I imagine the pound and economy getting worse before it settles (and hopefully improves), but that happens at every unsettling period in time (such as electing a govt).
The only predictions that have fallen apart so far have been those of the Remain campaign. And yeah I've had a good laugh while these so called experts have got all confused as the UK economy continues to grow. "
Would you like to offer an explanation as to why the economy has done better?
The pounds lower value bollocks will be ignored, given that it has the catch 22 of increasing inflation on debt and household borrowing, and this will likely cause working class spending contraction later. |
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"I know exactly what I'm letting myself in for .I remember how good it was before we joined the mickey mouse club
No, you remember a world that doesnt exist any more. You might as well say things were better when stonehenge was being built for all the relevance that has.
The Britain of the 60s doesnt exist and neither does the world it inhabits. Britain was the dominant power in Europe and it was the 2nd biggest economy in the world. Now you're just trying to hold a top ten place with emerging nations gaining and the UKs growth slwoing almost to a standstill.
Youre in effect getting rid of electricity because you remember the good old days before tv and phones ruined social interaction completely ignoring the fact that the rest of the world has moved on and will swallow you whole because theyre keeping the advantages youre throwing away.
You think the EU is bad? Wait until you have to do a deal with China all on your own and they know that youre desperate to get a deal done because your economy will be irreprably damaged if you cant. come back in 10 years see who has the last laugh. its time to take your blinkers off.you've been brain washed . "
Weak argument.
Can you actually name the countries we should be trading with outside the EU?
America? Poor food hygiene and production standard which are largely incompatible with our import standards.Not to mention American corporations will push the republic to give us their 'America first' trade deal.
China? Have you seen how they treat smaller nations which are not part of trade blocks in their negotiations?
India: Same as America - they've already said they want vias laxing for students, so that'll hit your labour market saturation to some extent.
Africa and Latin America? Well if some of those nations develop more than we can import and sell to them, but currently their food and textile processing standards are too low generally to import wholesale from.
Some come on I want to see your thought process for 'things will be better in 10 years time.' |
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"Low pound = High stock market
High pound = Low stock market
Low pound = Higher imports
High pound = Cheaper imports
However a low pound makes our exports more competitive and is good news for those who work in any industry that exports . It is difficult to see why there would be any long term correlation between share prices and exchange rates as we both import and export goods . It is more a case of swings and roundabouts.
The FTSE will be based on what investors consider to be the long term future prospects and earning potential of companies . The current high indicates that most fund managers consider the future to be bright .
But you see there lies the problem....we dont manufacture hardly anything now....most of the stuff we export is services...hench a lot of them thinking about upping sticks and fucking off "
Yep, very easy to do that when you're main assset and capital is office space, computer hardware and software... |
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"Europe is shit...it has nothing of any real value...
We need ships to sail to Africa/south america/india/China
Nobody needs Euro wine cheese and holiday homes in the canaries for sexual deviance.
^^^you need oil gold uranium copper platinum...
It's not in Europe.
You want BMW but Kia is a better car."
Can't tell what you're getting at with the BMW car metaphor there.
All I'll say is yes, we need those mineral resources from less developed nations.
However I'd rather us not import anything else from them. As I've said, standards of production are a big issue here.
Tell people, 'yep, cheap meat and veg from Africa, the states, latin america...just ignore the pesticides which they use, and how they slaughter and process meat...'
You'll very quickly have an elitist system. Wealthy people will buy the safer food for a higher value, less well off will get cheaper food which may caause long term health issues. |
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"Low pound = High stock market
High pound = Low stock market
Low pound = Higher imports
High pound = Cheaper imports
However a low pound makes our exports more competitive and is good news for those who work in any industry that exports . It is difficult to see why there would be any long term correlation between share prices and exchange rates as we both import and export goods . It is more a case of swings and roundabouts.
The FTSE will be based on what investors consider to be the long term future prospects and earning potential of companies . The current high indicates that most fund managers consider the future to be bright .
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Yeah, as a friend pointed out to me who works in finances the current logic is that seeing aas how the gov is discussing lowering corporation tax to make us more attractive post brexit, investors aren't pulling out fast yet. Many are saying however if labour is less readily available, there needs to be an incentive to keep them here. |
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"Low pound = High stock market
High pound = Low stock market
Low pound = Higher imports
High pound = Cheaper imports
However a low pound makes our exports more competitive and is good news for those who work in any industry that exports . It is difficult to see why there would be any long term correlation between share prices and exchange rates as we both import and export goods . It is more a case of swings and roundabouts.
The FTSE will be based on what investors consider to be the long term future prospects and earning potential of companies . The current high indicates that most fund managers consider the future to be bright .
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Or maybe they consider the investors to be stupid while they get the fees regardless of performance
Efficient market theory vs The madness of crowds |
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"I know exactly what I'm letting myself in for .I remember how good it was before we joined the mickey mouse club
Human memory is notoriously unreliable."
In this case wrong too. Pre EEC was not a land of milk and honey |
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"Can't tell what you're getting at with the BMW car metaphor there.
All I'll say is yes, we need those mineral resources from less developed nations.
However I'd rather us not import anything else from them. As I've said, standards of production are a big issue here.
Tell people, 'yep, cheap meat and veg from Africa, the states, latin america...just ignore the pesticides which they use, and how they slaughter and process meat...'
You'll very quickly have an elitist system. Wealthy people will buy the safer food for a higher value, less well off will get cheaper food which may caause long term health issues."
We don't need anyone else's meat or dairy products.
As for fruit and veg whatever it comes from arround the world. Not just the EU. We could still trade with the EU but if they are arsey we should be going to the Americas and Africa....
^^^^it's all blocked currently by the EU
You can't just bring a crate from Lagos without the European union getting a huge cut...
This country is a business without a long term plan and the European union is a cop out...
Selling our freedoms to foreigners...
They are landlocked and have pityfull natural resources...
People who support the European union have investment a in Europe...
My ambitions have been outside Europe...
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"Brexit will always be reversable. It can be stopped any time before the UK leaves or after. That should be obvious to anyone.
If it goes ahead I can watch the Tories implode as disaster hits. If it stops I can watch the few vocal Brexiteers explode. Win-win
And between now and then I can get a laugh as Brexiteers watch all their predictions fall apart and then get all confused. "You cant see the future without a crystal ball" roughly translating to:I was completely wrong so surely everyone is as cluelesa as me...right? Luckily for those living and working in the UK the economy is performing strongly with car sales at an all time high and those who run businesses ( and consequently keep all of us in employment) are confident of the future . Stock and shares remain at all time highs with no rush by any organisation or fund manager to sell off their investments. Those who acted on the predictions of project doom would now be nursing heavy losses. The reality is that all parties will continue to buy and sell each other's goods and we are only talking about minor adjustments to duties ( If any ). "
Car sales have fallen off a cliff edge. |
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"Brexit will always be reversable. It can be stopped any time before the UK leaves or after. That should be obvious to anyone.
If it goes ahead I can watch the Tories implode as disaster hits. If it stops I can watch the few vocal Brexiteers explode. Win-win
And between now and then I can get a laugh as Brexiteers watch all their predictions fall apart and then get all confused. "You cant see the future without a crystal ball" roughly translating to:I was completely wrong so surely everyone is as cluelesa as me...right?
What predictions?
I imagine the pound and economy getting worse before it settles (and hopefully improves), but that happens at every unsettling period in time (such as electing a govt).
The only predictions that have fallen apart so far have been those of the Remain campaign. And yeah I've had a good laugh while these so called experts have got all confused as the UK economy continues to grow. "
Yes the economy is growing...at a slower rate than the EU27. That's success is it? |
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"Europe is shit...it has nothing of any real value...
We need ships to sail to Africa/south america/india/China
Nobody needs Euro wine cheese and holiday homes in the canaries for sexual deviance.
^^^you need oil gold uranium copper platinum...
It's not in Europe.
You want BMW but Kia is a better car."
So if Europe has nothing, how come nearly half our trade is with the EU? |
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"Low pound = High stock market
High pound = Low stock market
Low pound = Higher imports
High pound = Cheaper imports
However a low pound makes our exports more competitive and is good news for those who work in any industry that exports . It is difficult to see why there would be any long term correlation between share prices and exchange rates as we both import and export goods . It is more a case of swings and roundabouts.
The FTSE will be based on what investors consider to be the long term future prospects and earning potential of companies . The current high indicates that most fund managers consider the future to be bright .
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The current high has more to do with the interest rate being so low. Money wants to make a return, it can't do it sitting in the bank so it's used to buy shares, this creates demand, demand drives prices up.
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"Low pound = High stock market
High pound = Low stock market
Low pound = Higher imports
High pound = Cheaper imports
However a low pound makes our exports more competitive and is good news for those who work in any industry that exports . It is difficult to see why there would be any long term correlation between share prices and exchange rates as we both import and export goods . It is more a case of swings and roundabouts.
The FTSE will be based on what investors consider to be the long term future prospects and earning potential of companies . The current high indicates that most fund managers consider the future to be bright .
The current high has more to do with the interest rate being so low. Money wants to make a return, it can't do it sitting in the bank so it's used to buy shares, this creates demand, demand drives prices up.
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However interest rates have been low for at least ten years and and share performance has been exceptionally strong in the last year. I would have thought that the more important factor is the future earnings steam of the companies concerned combined with future prospects, the ability to pay dividends and the strength of the balance sheet. |
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"Brexit will always be reversable. It can be stopped any time before the UK leaves or after. That should be obvious to anyone.
If it goes ahead I can watch the Tories implode as disaster hits. If it stops I can watch the few vocal Brexiteers explode. Win-win
And between now and then I can get a laugh as Brexiteers watch all their predictions fall apart and then get all confused. "You cant see the future without a crystal ball" roughly translating to:I was completely wrong so surely everyone is as cluelesa as me...right? Luckily for those living and working in the UK the economy is performing strongly with car sales at an all time high and those who run businesses ( and consequently keep all of us in employment) are confident of the future . Stock and shares remain at all time highs with no rush by any organisation or fund manager to sell off their investments. Those who acted on the predictions of project doom would now be nursing heavy losses. The reality is that all parties will continue to buy and sell each other's goods and we are only talking about minor adjustments to duties ( If any ).
Car sales have fallen off a cliff edge. "
Most large dealerships recognise the as a result of the exceptionally high levels of car sales in the last few years the market is now saturated and further growth prospects are now limited. A slight drop hardly equates to falling off a cliff edge. |
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"Brexit will always be reversable. It can be stopped any time before the UK leaves or after. That should be obvious to anyone.
If it goes ahead I can watch the Tories implode as disaster hits. If it stops I can watch the few vocal Brexiteers explode. Win-win
And between now and then I can get a laugh as Brexiteers watch all their predictions fall apart and then get all confused. "You cant see the future without a crystal ball" roughly translating to:I was completely wrong so surely everyone is as cluelesa as me...right? Luckily for those living and working in the UK the economy is performing strongly with car sales at an all time high and those who run businesses ( and consequently keep all of us in employment) are confident of the future . Stock and shares remain at all time highs with no rush by any organisation or fund manager to sell off their investments. Those who acted on the predictions of project doom would now be nursing heavy losses. The reality is that all parties will continue to buy and sell each other's goods and we are only talking about minor adjustments to duties ( If any ).
Car sales have fallen off a cliff edge. Most large dealerships recognise the as a result of the exceptionally high levels of car sales in the last few years the market is now saturated and further growth prospects are now limited. A slight drop hardly equates to falling off a cliff edge. "
I renew both cars every 3 years, another year and half and I will be replacing mine with new, always have done |
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"Low pound = High stock market
High pound = Low stock market
Low pound = Higher imports
High pound = Cheaper imports
However a low pound makes our exports more competitive and is good news for those who work in any industry that exports . It is difficult to see why there would be any long term correlation between share prices and exchange rates as we both import and export goods . It is more a case of swings and roundabouts.
The FTSE will be based on what investors consider to be the long term future prospects and earning potential of companies . The current high indicates that most fund managers consider the future to be bright .
The current high has more to do with the interest rate being so low. Money wants to make a return, it can't do it sitting in the bank so it's used to buy shares, this creates demand, demand drives prices up.
However interest rates have been low for at least ten years and and share performance has been exceptionally strong in the last year. I would have thought that the more important factor is the future earnings steam of the companies concerned combined with future prospects, the ability to pay dividends and the strength of the balance sheet."
Nope. The other factor is that the crash in the pound makes British quoted companies cheap to buy. Effectively there's a 12% discount on all British shares.
Most investment in the stock market is done electronically, very little investment is done on the basis of human analysis.
The machines see "cheap and a better return than the bank" and they buy shares. |
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"Low pound = High stock market
High pound = Low stock market
Low pound = Higher imports
High pound = Cheaper imports
However a low pound makes our exports more competitive and is good news for those who work in any industry that exports . It is difficult to see why there would be any long term correlation between share prices and exchange rates as we both import and export goods . It is more a case of swings and roundabouts.
The FTSE will be based on what investors consider to be the long term future prospects and earning potential of companies . The current high indicates that most fund managers consider the future to be bright .
The current high has more to do with the interest rate being so low. Money wants to make a return, it can't do it sitting in the bank so it's used to buy shares, this creates demand, demand drives prices up.
However interest rates have been low for at least ten years and and share performance has been exceptionally strong in the last year. I would have thought that the more important factor is the future earnings steam of the companies concerned combined with future prospects, the ability to pay dividends and the strength of the balance sheet.
Nope. The other factor is that the crash in the pound makes British quoted companies cheap to buy. Effectively there's a 12% discount on all British shares.
Most investment in the stock market is done electronically, very little investment is done on the basis of human analysis.
The machines see "cheap and a better return than the bank" and they buy shares. "
Anyone using a machine to select their investments is taking a very high risk.
Any serious investor will take time to analyse the long term prospects of a company, the strength of its balance sheet and it's performance compared to others in the sector. Some fund managers will insist on meeting the directors face to face and will want to various directors and visit both the head office and various sites . |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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Something I thought about regarding the EU wanting us to continue subbing them after we've left.
Would they be the same if we were one of the countries that takes out more than we put in? Still giving us money after we've left?
Of course they bloody wouldn't, so tell them to f.Off!!!
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As for "they don't know what they have let themselves in for", only those with a crystal ball do . Besides the "they" is now "we" because you are part of it, like it or lump it. "
You don't need a crystal ball to know that shoving my nob in a meat grinder is a dumb idea either
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Luckily for those living and working in the UK the economy is performing strongly with car sales at an all time high and those who run businesses ( and consequently keep all of us in employment) are confident of the future . "
It's been pointed out that this is nonsense hasn't it
www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/94714/uk-new-car-sales-fall-for-seventh-month-in-a-row-as-diesel-is-hit-hard
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/26/alarm-sounds-over-state-of-uk-high-street-as-sales-crash
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/24/uks-200bn-consumer-debt-unsustainable-sp-warns
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Something I thought about regarding the EU wanting us to continue subbing them after we've left.
Would they be the same if we were one of the countries that takes out more than we put in? Still giving us money after we've left?
Of course they bloody wouldn't, so tell them to f.Off!!!
S"
Are you able to think the concept through in more than one dimension?
Let’s use the family analogy. Dad is main earner but Mum also earns and so does eldest son. There are two younger kids at home who are at High School. Dad decides to leave the family unit. On the day of divorce is he absolved from the commitments he made to buy a house with a mortgage for his family? Is he absolved from the commitment to support his family just because he made the decision to go it alone? The U.K. has been party to committing the EU to spending plans that continue well beyond the date the U.K. is planning to leave the EU. It is absolutely right Nd proper that the U.K. honours the obligations that it made on behalf of the EU and contributes what it was going to contribute when it made those commitments. |
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By *oo hotCouple
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Any serious investor will take time to analyse the long term prospects of a company, the strength of its balance sheet and it's performance compared to others in the sector.
Some fund managers will insist on meeting the directors face to face and will want to various directors and visit both the head office and various sites . "
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I would have thought that if circumstances change you review your spending commitments . That is what we all do in real life . If the EU are unable to fund some of their projects because of the loss of our contributions surely you can simply just cancel or delay the projects or expenditure concerned. Any businness would take steps to mitigate losses arising as a result of losing a customer, not just plough on regardless. |
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"Something I thought about regarding the EU wanting us to continue subbing them after we've left.
Would they be the same if we were one of the countries that takes out more than we put in? Still giving us money after we've left?
Of course they bloody wouldn't, so tell them to f.Off!!!
S"
Agree, it would be very interesting to see a country like Poland or Greece leave the EU, and that argument put forward. As nett beneficiaries I very much doubt the EU would be willing to honour its financial obligations and continue to pay these countries a single penny after they'd left, the EU's diabolical treatment of Greece in recent years leaves no doubt the EU would be telling the likes of Greece to go whistle for its money, even if the EU had future financial obligations towards it.
As the UK is a nett contributor to the EU though our situation is different and one thing the article 50 negotiations have made clear is that all the EU cares about is money and it only sees the UK as a cash cow and nothing more. We are not legally obliged to pay them a single penny and in the event there is no deal (which is looking more like a realistic outcome as more time passes) then we really shouldn't pay them a single penny, and they really can go whistle for it. |
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"Something I thought about regarding the EU wanting us to continue subbing them after we've left.
Would they be the same if we were one of the countries that takes out more than we put in? Still giving us money after we've left?
Of course they bloody wouldn't, so tell them to f.Off!!!
S
Are you able to think the concept through in more than one dimension?
Let’s use the family analogy. Dad is main earner but Mum also earns and so does eldest son. There are two younger kids at home who are at High School. Dad decides to leave the family unit. On the day of divorce is he absolved from the commitments he made to buy a house with a mortgage for his family? Is he absolved from the commitment to support his family just because he made the decision to go it alone? The U.K. has been party to committing the EU to spending plans that continue well beyond the date the U.K. is planning to leave the EU. It is absolutely right Nd proper that the U.K. honours the obligations that it made on behalf of the EU and contributes what it was going to contribute when it made those commitments."
Oh it's only right and proper that the UK does this and UK does that, LOL! It's really not a moral question it's more of a legal one and legally we are not obliged to pay a single penny upon leaving (this was the conclusion the House of Lords committee came to on this matter).
Now was it only right and proper the way the EU has treated Greece in recent years or did the EU treat Greece with a less moral and more legal outlook on things....... |
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"Poland and Greece's economy are out performing the Uk's....why on earth would they want to leave a club thats making there countries better "
Poland is deeply opposed to further EU integration, and voiced this opposition loud and clear after Jean Claude Juncker's Federalist state of the union address speech earlier this year, as did other Eastern European countries such as Hungary. Greece has been treated appallingly by the EU and saddled with a mountain of debt from the EU the likes of which makes UK debt look like a sandcastle in comparison to mount everest, most Greek citizens will now endure a lifetime of poverty, austerity and debt in large part thanks to the EU. You may think all is well in your EU utopia but nothing could be further from the truth. The EU is a shambles and the Catalonia independence episode last month was just the latest crack appearing in the EU dam. The trouble is the dam has so many cracks now that it's inevitable the dam will fail and the whole thing will collapse. We have the opportunity to escape on a lifeboat called Brexit and that's exactly what the British people have chosen to do. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"Low pound = High stock market
High pound = Low stock market
Low pound = Higher imports
High pound = Cheaper imports
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Do you mean a low pound is lower imports, more expensive imports?
And also a low pound is more exports? |
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"Something I thought about regarding the EU wanting us to continue subbing them after we've left.
Would they be the same if we were one of the countries that takes out more than we put in? Still giving us money after we've left?
Of course they bloody wouldn't, so tell them to f.Off!!!
S"
I could be wrong but isn't the divorce bill a black mail for getting trading rights? |
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As for "they don't know what they have let themselves in for", only those with a crystal ball do . Besides the "they" is now "we" because you are part of it, like it or lump it.
You don't need a crystal ball to know that shoving my nob in a meat grinder is a dumb idea either
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What a silly analogy unless the majority of Britain would vote for it |
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"Low pound = High stock market
High pound = Low stock market
Low pound = Higher imports
High pound = Cheaper imports
Do you mean a low pound is lower imports, more expensive imports?
And also a low pound is more exports?"
Our export figures are a bit screwed if you dont already know about it....i'll give you a hint and maybe you could do some homework.....GOLD |
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By *andS66Couple
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"Poland and Greece's economy are out performing the Uk's....why on earth would they want to leave a club thats making there countries better "
As you are the resident expert on Poland and Greece, maybe you could answer the following in comparison with the UK -
What's the minimum wage?
What's the average wage?
What's the level of unemployment?
What's the level of youth unemployment?
What's the state pension?
What's the GDP per capita? |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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"Something I thought about regarding the EU wanting us to continue subbing them after we've left.
Would they be the same if we were one of the countries that takes out more than we put in? Still giving us money after we've left?
Of course they bloody wouldn't, so tell them to f.Off!!!
S
Are you able to think the concept through in more than one dimension?
Let’s use the family analogy. Dad is main earner but Mum also earns and so does eldest son. There are two younger kids at home who are at High School. Dad decides to leave the family unit. On the day of divorce is he absolved from the commitments he made to buy a house with a mortgage for his family? Is he absolved from the commitment to support his family just because he made the decision to go it alone? The U.K. has been party to committing the EU to spending plans that continue well beyond the date the U.K. is planning to leave the EU. It is absolutely right Nd proper that the U.K. honours the obligations that it made on behalf of the EU and contributes what it was going to contribute when it made those commitments."
I agree that if say we signed two years ago to pay x % into a six year project & we are now two years in then fine. However from what I see they seem to want our same financial input for years after we have left. If it covers projects we have signed up to but they've not even been started then no we shouldn't pay towards them imo.
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"Poland and Greece's economy are out performing the Uk's....why on earth would they want to leave a club thats making there countries better "
You are absolutely spot on about neither of these counties wanting to leave the EU. They are both net beneficiaries of EU funding . The difference is that the UK is the third largest contributor and no one is able to convince the majority of the electorate what we get in return.
If the UK were net beneficiaries of EU funding I would not see many voting to leave . |
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"Brexit will always be reversable. It can be stopped any time before the UK leaves or after. That should be obvious to anyone.
If it goes ahead I can watch the Tories implode as disaster hits. If it stops I can watch the few vocal Brexiteers explode. Win-win
And between now and then I can get a laugh as Brexiteers watch all their predictions fall apart and then get all confused. "You cant see the future without a crystal ball" roughly translating to:I was completely wrong so surely everyone is as cluelesa as me...right? Luckily for those living and working in the UK the economy is performing strongly with car sales at an all time high and those who run businesses ( and consequently keep all of us in employment) are confident of the future . Stock and shares remain at all time highs with no rush by any organisation or fund manager to sell off their investments. Those who acted on the predictions of project doom would now be nursing heavy losses. The reality is that all parties will continue to buy and sell each other's goods and we are only talking about minor adjustments to duties ( If any ).
Car sales have fallen off a cliff edge. Most large dealerships recognise the as a result of the exceptionally high levels of car sales in the last few years the market is now saturated and further growth prospects are now limited. A slight drop hardly equates to falling off a cliff edge. "
Car sales are not at an all time high are they? a 9% drop in September and 12% in October.there have now been 7 consecutive months of falling sales. So, youre making this stuff up arent you? |
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"Brexit will always be reversable. It can be stopped any time before the UK leaves or after. That should be obvious to anyone.
If it goes ahead I can watch the Tories implode as disaster hits. If it stops I can watch the few vocal Brexiteers explode. Win-win
And between now and then I can get a laugh as Brexiteers watch all their predictions fall apart and then get all confused. "You cant see the future without a crystal ball" roughly translating to:I was completely wrong so surely everyone is as cluelesa as me...right? Luckily for those living and working in the UK the economy is performing strongly with car sales at an all time high and those who run businesses ( and consequently keep all of us in employment) are confident of the future . Stock and shares remain at all time highs with no rush by any organisation or fund manager to sell off their investments. Those who acted on the predictions of project doom would now be nursing heavy losses. The reality is that all parties will continue to buy and sell each other's goods and we are only talking about minor adjustments to duties ( If any ).
Car sales have fallen off a cliff edge. Most large dealerships recognise the as a result of the exceptionally high levels of car sales in the last few years the market is now saturated and further growth prospects are now limited. A slight drop hardly equates to falling off a cliff edge.
I renew both cars every 3 years, another year and half and I will be replacing mine with new, always have done"
Car sales have fallen for 7 months on the trot. Your new car isnt going to arrest that decline is it? |
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"Poland and Greece's economy are out performing the Uk's....why on earth would they want to leave a club thats making there countries better You are absolutely spot on about neither of these counties wanting to leave the EU. They are both net beneficiaries of EU funding . The difference is that the UK is the third largest contributor and no one is able to convince the majority of the electorate what we get in return.
If the UK were net beneficiaries of EU funding I would not see many voting to leave . "
You really dont get the whole EU project do you |
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"Brexit will always be reversable. It can be stopped any time before the UK leaves or after. That should be obvious to anyone.
If it goes ahead I can watch the Tories implode as disaster hits. If it stops I can watch the few vocal Brexiteers explode. Win-win
And between now and then I can get a laugh as Brexiteers watch all their predictions fall apart and then get all confused. "You cant see the future without a crystal ball" roughly translating to:I was completely wrong so surely everyone is as cluelesa as me...right? Luckily for those living and working in the UK the economy is performing strongly with car sales at an all time high and those who run businesses ( and consequently keep all of us in employment) are confident of the future . Stock and shares remain at all time highs with no rush by any organisation or fund manager to sell off their investments. Those who acted on the predictions of project doom would now be nursing heavy losses. The reality is that all parties will continue to buy and sell each other's goods and we are only talking about minor adjustments to duties ( If any ).
Car sales have fallen off a cliff edge. Most large dealerships recognise the as a result of the exceptionally high levels of car sales in the last few years the market is now saturated and further growth prospects are now limited. A slight drop hardly equates to falling off a cliff edge.
Car sales are not at an all time high are they? a 9% drop in September and 12% in October.there have now been 7 consecutive months of falling sales. So, youre making this stuff up arent you?"
Car sales have only fallen slightly because the market is now saturated with new vehicles. Maybe check them out on a year on year basis and you will see that they are at an all time high . Not many people base conclusions on a few monthly movements. |
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"Brexit will always be reversable. It can be stopped any time before the UK leaves or after. That should be obvious to anyone.
If it goes ahead I can watch the Tories implode as disaster hits. If it stops I can watch the few vocal Brexiteers explode. Win-win
And between now and then I can get a laugh as Brexiteers watch all their predictions fall apart and then get all confused. "You cant see the future without a crystal ball" roughly translating to:I was completely wrong so surely everyone is as cluelesa as me...right? Luckily for those living and working in the UK the economy is performing strongly with car sales at an all time high and those who run businesses ( and consequently keep all of us in employment) are confident of the future . Stock and shares remain at all time highs with no rush by any organisation or fund manager to sell off their investments. Those who acted on the predictions of project doom would now be nursing heavy losses. The reality is that all parties will continue to buy and sell each other's goods and we are only talking about minor adjustments to duties ( If any ).
Car sales have fallen off a cliff edge. Most large dealerships recognise the as a result of the exceptionally high levels of car sales in the last few years the market is now saturated and further growth prospects are now limited. A slight drop hardly equates to falling off a cliff edge.
Car sales are not at an all time high are they? a 9% drop in September and 12% in October.there have now been 7 consecutive months of falling sales. So, youre making this stuff up arent you? Car sales have only fallen slightly because the market is now saturated with new vehicles. Maybe check them out on a year on year basis and you will see that they are at an all time high . Not many people base conclusions on a few monthly movements. "
The September market fell for the first time in 6 years. Simply saying it isnt happening isnt an argument. The UK car manufacturers acknowledge that September sales of new cars are a barometer for how the market is faring. |
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"Brexit will always be reversable. It can be stopped any time before the UK leaves or after. That should be obvious to anyone.
If it goes ahead I can watch the Tories implode as disaster hits. If it stops I can watch the few vocal Brexiteers explode. Win-win
And between now and then I can get a laugh as Brexiteers watch all their predictions fall apart and then get all confused. "You cant see the future without a crystal ball" roughly translating to:I was completely wrong so surely everyone is as cluelesa as me...right? Luckily for those living and working in the UK the economy is performing strongly with car sales at an all time high and those who run businesses ( and consequently keep all of us in employment) are confident of the future . Stock and shares remain at all time highs with no rush by any organisation or fund manager to sell off their investments. Those who acted on the predictions of project doom would now be nursing heavy losses. The reality is that all parties will continue to buy and sell each other's goods and we are only talking about minor adjustments to duties ( If any ).
Car sales have fallen off a cliff edge. Most large dealerships recognise the as a result of the exceptionally high levels of car sales in the last few years the market is now saturated and further growth prospects are now limited. A slight drop hardly equates to falling off a cliff edge.
Car sales are not at an all time high are they? a 9% drop in September and 12% in October.there have now been 7 consecutive months of falling sales. So, youre making this stuff up arent you? Car sales have only fallen slightly because the market is now saturated with new vehicles. Maybe check them out on a year on year basis and you will see that they are at an all time high . Not many people base conclusions on a few monthly movements. "
the figures are compared by a year on year basis ... so october sales 2017 are compared to october sales in previous years ... sales are down 12% when compared with sales in october 2016 ... sales have been down every moth for the last 6 months and that's based on figures which are compared in this year by year basis .... so the fact is, car sales have fallen off a cliff |
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A 40 % increase in 5 years looks good to me .
The growth in UK new car sales in recent years is set to come to an end after the highs of 2016. The 2.7 million new cars sold this year is a near-40% increase over the 2011 trough of 1.94m. The big question is over the extent of the coming decline. |
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"A 40 % increase in 5 years looks good to me .
The growth in UK new car sales in recent years is set to come to an end after the highs of 2016. The 2.7 million new cars sold this year is a near-40% increase over the 2011 trough of 1.94m. The big question is over the extent of the coming decline."
You said car sales were at an all time high. You were making it up weren't you? |
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"A 40 % increase in 5 years looks good to me .
The growth in UK new car sales in recent years is set to come to an end after the highs of 2016. The 2.7 million new cars sold this year is a near-40% increase over the 2011 trough of 1.94m. The big question is over the extent of the coming decline.
You said car sales were at an all time high. You were making it up weren't you?"
I think these brexiters make a lot of things up |
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"A 40 % increase in 5 years looks good to me .
The growth in UK new car sales in recent years is set to come to an end after the highs of 2016. The 2.7 million new cars sold this year is a near-40% increase over the 2011 trough of 1.94m. The big question is over the extent of the coming decline.
You said car sales were at an all time high. You were making it up weren't you?"
I dont think a 40 % in 5 years is a decline . The market is now saturated and as such there is no scope for any further increases . When we have a full set of data for 2017 we can then complete the year on year review . |
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On a year-to-date basis, production suffered a much smaller blow. In the first five months of the year, 729,755 cars were built, 1.2pc below the same period a year ago.
Production levels are also said to be “rebalancing” after a record start to the year, with car manufacturers getting ready to accelerate production levels following the introduction of new models.
Jaguar Land Rover — Britain’s biggest car company producing more than 500,000 cars a year in its West Midlands plants — is one example, with it racing to meet demand for its F-Pace SUV, the fastest selling Jaguar in the company’s 94-year history. |
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car sales over the decade are down ... when considered with the fact that they are massively down on 1972 figures then it is clear that the economy is struggling very badly ... when the proposed income tax increases are brought about we will see the economy start to recover though |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"I don't think talk of revoking Brexit is helpful to anyone. Here in the forum, we'll still hear the pathetic condemnation of the out voters, instead of coming to terms with what's happening.
completely agree, we had a referendum, both sides campaigned then we had a vote and the Leave campaign won. Article 50 has been triggered and we are now well into the process of leaving the EU. Democracy must be respected and the result of the referendum must be respected. The will of the people must be implemented and personally I'm very much looking forward to March 2019. The day we leave will be a great day in the UK's history as we finally free ourselves from this wretched, corrupt, money grabbing, anti democratic, neo liberal, shambolic, deeply flawed and crisis riddled protection racket in Brussels. "
Darling 
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"I don't think talk of revoking Brexit is helpful to anyone. Here in the forum, we'll still hear the pathetic condemnation of the out voters, instead of coming to terms with what's happening.
completely agree, we had a referendum, both sides campaigned then we had a vote and the Leave campaign won. Article 50 has been triggered and we are now well into the process of leaving the EU. Democracy must be respected and the result of the referendum must be respected. The will of the people must be implemented and personally I'm very much looking forward to March 2019. The day we leave will be a great day in the UK's history as we finally free ourselves from this wretched, corrupt, money grabbing, anti democratic, neo liberal, shambolic, deeply flawed and crisis riddled protection racket in Brussels.
Darling
Respecting democracy means that we can change our mind.
Do you have a different definition? "
You have called Centaur a darling. He'll be well chuffed |
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If the UK were net beneficiaries of EU funding I would not see many voting to leave .
Just wow....."
Not wrong though.
How often do people squawk about "our money going to themuns what is foreign". |
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"I don't think talk of revoking Brexit is helpful to anyone. Here in the forum, we'll still hear the pathetic condemnation of the out voters, instead of coming to terms with what's happening.
completely agree, we had a referendum, both sides campaigned then we had a vote and the Leave campaign won. Article 50 has been triggered and we are now well into the process of leaving the EU. Democracy must be respected and the result of the referendum must be respected. The will of the people must be implemented and personally I'm very much looking forward to March 2019. The day we leave will be a great day in the UK's history as we finally free ourselves from this wretched, corrupt, money grabbing, anti democratic, neo liberal, shambolic, deeply flawed and crisis riddled protection racket in Brussels.
Darling
Respecting democracy means that we can change our mind.
Do you have a different definition?
You have called Centaur a darling. He'll be well chuffed "
Think he may have spelt it wrong |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
Do people seriously think we'll be better off under an unfettered Tory government?
European federalism benefits the transition to peak capitalism in Europe and is equally rotten.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
Do people still just read the headlines of the publications that they agree with? 
Industrial production grew by 0.7 per cent month-on-month in September
Manufacturing is only 10% of GVA 
UK car output fell more than 4% to 153,224 vehicles in September.
Construction output fell 1.6 per cent in September, in the quarter by 0.6 per cent 
Separately, the ONS said Britain’s goods trade deficit narrowed by much more than expected to 11.253 billion pounds in September from 12.350 billion, helped by a rise in exports. Economists polled by Reuters had expected 12.8 billion
Meanwhile, the UK trade deficit got worse by £3billion to £9.5billion for the three months to September, as imports of machinery and fuels helped offset a drop in aircraft imports
Specifically the trade deficit with the rest of the world grew by £2.4bn whilst exports to the EU grew by £1.3bn
The ONS said Friday’s data backed up its preliminary estimate of growth of 0.4 percent in the third quarter, picking up a bit from earlier in 2017 but still slower than the rate in the euro zone
British sales of military equipment to Saudi Arabia topped £1.1bn in the first half of this year, with government data showing a spike in sales since the spring
Expectations of growth for the service sector came in at 53.2 in August, lower than the 53.8 recorded in July and below the 53.5 forecast by economists. This makes last month the weakest since September 2016
The service sector makes up 75% of the UK economy
The low value of the pound has pushed up the cost of imports and sent inflation up to 3% in September, while wages growth was stuck at 2.2%
All in all things are more-or-less positive. Probably less positive than it could be... |
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"Can't tell what you're getting at with the BMW car metaphor there.
All I'll say is yes, we need those mineral resources from less developed nations.
However I'd rather us not import anything else from them. As I've said, standards of production are a big issue here.
Tell people, 'yep, cheap meat and veg from Africa, the states, latin america...just ignore the pesticides which they use, and how they slaughter and process meat...'
You'll very quickly have an elitist system. Wealthy people will buy the safer food for a higher value, less well off will get cheaper food which may caause long term health issues.
We don't need anyone else's meat or dairy products.
As for fruit and veg whatever it comes from arround the world. Not just the EU. We could still trade with the EU but if they are arsey we should be going to the Americas and Africa....
^^^^it's all blocked currently by the EU
You can't just bring a crate from Lagos without the European union getting a huge cut...
This country is a business without a long term plan and the European union is a cop out...
Selling our freedoms to foreigners...
They are landlocked and have pityfull natural resources...
People who support the European union have investment a in Europe...
My ambitions have been outside Europe...
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To a certain extent I'll support you with we can produce our own milk and dairy, that's fine, though I'd prefer us to do less intense livestock farming and reforest a lot of pastoral land for soft flood defence engineering.
As for the whole 'import fruit and veg from the rest of the world' well yes I'm fine with that, but you ignored the reality of the situation that most nations outside the EU, with the exception of a few very well developed nations, do not meet the regulation standards for our food and drink standards and so we cannot sell them here.
So answer me this:
Do you want the regulatory agencies of our government to reduce the safety and production standards of the food and drink we import?
If so you are requesting that retailers and government pass health risks onto the customers. |
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@booklover
Why would the quality control suffer?
A prime example for you swingers...
Viagra/kamagra
^^^^it's the same thing...
Being more serious...
I'm willing to take the responsibility if I bring something to the country...
I wouldn't buy something then sell it on the UK market if it was bad...
^^^I don't understand what makes European medicine better than thailand medicine?
^^^these country's still have quality control!
I said in the other thread... I assume people have prejudice preconceptions about African and Asian bought goods...
I had this same argument with anouther guy who said :
"You need to pay security and middle men in africa"
^^^^^I went to Nigeria when I was 19. I didn't have security or other white people with me...
I went living/working in thailand recently...
I'm pretty sure I could bring very good quality things back in crates!
Whithout any firefights or being ripped off....
And I can probably get you better quality from some of these destinations depending on what you want?
The fruit in Nigeria and Thailand is better than what they have in Spain...
^^^but I don't think the issue is just fruit (it spoils anyway)
You can bring back anything!
Customs and excise still look through your stuff just like in the EU
^^^^ there is laws in the uk to stop you selling dodgey goods^^^
But just bringing stuff hear is the problem. Not selling it for a profit! |
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These factors are often decided by economists and GDP predictors..
The EU is obviously against giving someone like me the right to trade like this....
They don't want that kind of economy because it threaterns existing establishments....
Tesco/whoever else looses money to me etc...
I personally don't care about gdp. Cost of living and my own well-being are more important...
Not some rich arse hole who makes business trips and holiday homes on the continent!
I don't like the eu and the reason other people like it is mainly because they are financially benefited by it...
^^^^it's no benefit to me because I go to other continents with better resources
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"These factors are often decided by economists and GDP predictors..
The EU is obviously against giving someone like me the right to trade like this....
They don't want that kind of economy because it threaterns existing establishments....
Tesco/whoever else looses money to me etc...
I personally don't care about gdp. Cost of living and my own well-being are more important...
Not some rich arse hole who makes business trips and holiday homes on the continent!
I don't like the eu and the reason other people like it is mainly because they are financially benefited by it...
^^^^it's no benefit to me because I go to other continents with better resources
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I don't know you. Why should I trust you?
Oh yes. No reason at all. That's why we have all those pesky regulations and inspection regimes.
How do you know that one is as good as another? Perhaps you could cooperate to set up a system that is the same everywhere? Obviously you'd need to pool some money and resources to police that.
Of course, if you can guarantee that everyone in your group is playing by the same rules but having to pay a bit more to do so, it's not fair if others don't.
Perhaps you create a system where a lot of things are regulated in a common way and exclude those that aren't until you arrange a way to coordinate with these other groups too.
Maybe |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"These factors are often decided by economists and GDP predictors..
The EU is obviously against giving someone like me the right to trade like this....
They don't want that kind of economy because it threaterns existing establishments....
Tesco/whoever else looses money to me etc...
I personally don't care about gdp. Cost of living and my own well-being are more important...
Not some rich arse hole who makes business trips and holiday homes on the continent!
I don't like the eu and the reason other people like it is mainly because they are financially benefited by it...
^^^^it's no benefit to me because I go to other continents with better resources
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You care about yourself and only yourself? Great! I'll definitely trust you |
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"@booklover
Why would the quality control suffer?
A prime example for you swingers...
Viagra/kamagra
^^^^it's the same thing...
Being more serious...
I'm willing to take the responsibility if I bring something to the country...
I wouldn't buy something then sell it on the UK market if it was bad...
^^^I don't understand what makes European medicine better than thailand medicine?
^^^these country's still have quality control!
I said in the other thread... I assume people have prejudice preconceptions about African and Asian bought goods...
I had this same argument with anouther guy who said :
"You need to pay security and middle men in africa"
^^^^^I went to Nigeria when I was 19. I didn't have security or other white people with me...
I went living/working in thailand recently...
I'm pretty sure I could bring very good quality things back in crates!
Whithout any firefights or being ripped off....
And I can probably get you better quality from some of these destinations depending on what you want?
The fruit in Nigeria and Thailand is better than what they have in Spain...
^^^but I don't think the issue is just fruit (it spoils anyway)
You can bring back anything!
Customs and excise still look through your stuff just like in the EU
^^^^ there is laws in the uk to stop you selling dodgey goods^^^
But just bringing stuff hear is the problem. Not selling it for a profit!"
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"These factors are often decided by economists and GDP predictors..
The EU is obviously against giving someone like me the right to trade like this....
They don't want that kind of economy because it threaterns existing establishments....
Tesco/whoever else looses money to me etc...
I personally don't care about gdp. Cost of living and my own well-being are more important...
Not some rich arse hole who makes business trips and holiday homes on the continent!
I don't like the eu and the reason other people like it is mainly because they are financially benefited by it...
^^^^it's no benefit to me because I go to other continents with better resources
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And u still think Kia's are better than BMWs too?
You're very entertaining, keep it up |
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"These factors are often decided by economists and GDP predictors..
The EU is obviously against giving someone like me the right to trade like this....
They don't want that kind of economy because it threaterns existing establishments....
Tesco/whoever else looses money to me etc...
I personally don't care about gdp. Cost of living and my own well-being are more important...
Not some rich arse hole who makes business trips and holiday homes on the continent!
I don't like the eu and the reason other people like it is mainly because they are financially benefited by it...
^^^^it's no benefit to me because I go to other continents with better resources
And u still think Kia's are better than BMWs too?
You're very entertaining, keep it up "
If you bothered to do any research you'd find a lot of people think Kia's are better than BMW's. In the official Consumer report 'Top picks of 2017, Best cars of the year' published on 28th February 2017, BMW didn't even make it onto the list, but surprise, surprise Kia DID make it! The consumer report rates it's cars of the year on some of the following qualities: road test, reliability, owner satisfaction, safety, etc to calculate an overall score.
Results for 2017 as follows...
1. Subcompact car - Toyota Yaris iA
2. Compact car - Chevrolet Cruze
3. Compact Hybrid - Toyota Prius
4. Sports car - Mazda MX-5 Miata
5. Midsized Sedan - KIA OPTIMA
6. Large Sedan - Chevrolet Impala
7. Small SUV - Subaru Forester
8. Midsized SUV - Toyota Highlander
9. Luxury SUV - Audi Q7
10. Compact pick up - Honda Ridgeline.
So as you can see BMW is no where on the list and the Kia Optima was rated best car in the Midsized Sedan category.
You can apologise to Mr Alduin when you feel ready |
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"These factors are often decided by economists and GDP predictors..
The EU is obviously against giving someone like me the right to trade like this....
They don't want that kind of economy because it threaterns existing establishments....
Tesco/whoever else looses money to me etc...
I personally don't care about gdp. Cost of living and my own well-being are more important...
Not some rich arse hole who makes business trips and holiday homes on the continent!
I don't like the eu and the reason other people like it is mainly because they are financially benefited by it...
^^^^it's no benefit to me because I go to other continents with better resources
And u still think Kia's are better than BMWs too?
You're very entertaining, keep it up
If you bothered to do any research you'd find a lot of people think Kia's are better than BMW's. In the official Consumer report 'Top picks of 2017, Best cars of the year' published on 28th February 2017, BMW didn't even make it onto the list, but surprise, surprise Kia DID make it! The consumer report rates it's cars of the year on some of the following qualities: road test, reliability, owner satisfaction, safety, etc to calculate an overall score.
Results for 2017 as follows...
1. Subcompact car - Toyota Yaris iA
2. Compact car - Chevrolet Cruze
3. Compact Hybrid - Toyota Prius
4. Sports car - Mazda MX-5 Miata
5. Midsized Sedan - KIA OPTIMA
6. Large Sedan - Chevrolet Impala
7. Small SUV - Subaru Forester
8. Midsized SUV - Toyota Highlander
9. Luxury SUV - Audi Q7
10. Compact pick up - Honda Ridgeline.
So as you can see BMW is no where on the list and the Kia Optima was rated best car in the Midsized Sedan category.
You can apologise to Mr Alduin when you feel ready "
Don't you think it's pointless comparing makes of cars against each other when the results are models. What I'm saying is that not every Kia car will be better than every BMW. I'm a Kia owner. If i thought my picanto was a prime example of Kia, I'd never buy Kia again. |
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We had an advisory referendum, where the conservatives weren't organized or particularly intelligent upon the approach forwards. We're now in a position where they have made little progress and their party conservation is their priority, rather than the wellbeing of the country. All strategies should be being considered, especially in the light of the impact reports that they have withheld at all costs, as if they are not public servants doing our duties.
Leaving the EU can happen but it's still an option but we need a strong government that is capable of implementing it in the small amount of time remaining and taking the most appropriate course of action for all, not themselves or the wealthy few.
Atm we possibly have one of our worst governments ever, so it's dangerous times that we are in. :- |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"These factors are often decided by economists and GDP predictors..
The EU is obviously against giving someone like me the right to trade like this....
They don't want that kind of economy because it threaterns existing establishments....
Tesco/whoever else looses money to me etc...
I personally don't care about gdp. Cost of living and my own well-being are more important...
Not some rich arse hole who makes business trips and holiday homes on the continent!
I don't like the eu and the reason other people like it is mainly because they are financially benefited by it...
^^^^it's no benefit to me because I go to other continents with better resources
And u still think Kia's are better than BMWs too?
You're very entertaining, keep it up
If you bothered to do any research you'd find a lot of people think Kia's are better than BMW's. In the official Consumer report 'Top picks of 2017, Best cars of the year' published on 28th February 2017, BMW didn't even make it onto the list, but surprise, surprise Kia DID make it! The consumer report rates it's cars of the year on some of the following qualities: road test, reliability, owner satisfaction, safety, etc to calculate an overall score.
Results for 2017 as follows...
1. Subcompact car - Toyota Yaris iA
2. Compact car - Chevrolet Cruze
3. Compact Hybrid - Toyota Prius
4. Sports car - Mazda MX-5 Miata
5. Midsized Sedan - KIA OPTIMA
6. Large Sedan - Chevrolet Impala
7. Small SUV - Subaru Forester
8. Midsized SUV - Toyota Highlander
9. Luxury SUV - Audi Q7
10. Compact pick up - Honda Ridgeline.
So as you can see BMW is no where on the list and the Kia Optima was rated best car in the Midsized Sedan category.
You can apologise to Mr Alduin when you feel ready "
So once again you work hard to "win" on the most irrelevant point whilst ignoring the fundamental ones:
Respecting democracy means that we can change our mind.
Do you have a different definition?
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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David Davis rationale for the maintenance of the Open Skies Agreement in the event of a no deal Brexit....
It will be bad for Spain and so we are confident that it (Open Skies) will stay in place....
And this is what frustrates most normal thinking people who know and understand that the law can’t be just sidestepped when it is inconvenient. The Govt generally and Davis specifically need to get serious really quickly because thinking the other side will cave because ... “they need us more than we need them,” is not really a serious strategy. The U.K. should be formulating meaningful strategies of their own and not relying on others to do what we think or hope they should do. |
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Well I for one am looking forward to buying Chinese teddy bears with pins for eyes Taiwanese toy trains covered in lead paint American chicken washed in bleach and all the other wonderful trade opportunities those pesky EU regulations deny the UK consumer |
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"Well I for one am looking forward to buying Chinese teddy bears with pins for eyes Taiwanese toy trains covered in lead paint American chicken washed in bleach and all the other wonderful trade opportunities those pesky EU regulations deny the UK consumer "
In Africa you can get oil, diamonds, tea, coffee, hold, copper and uranium...
South Korea singapoure japan and china are not in the european union.
European union makes inferiour phones and computers to south Koreans...
Bmw are just a badge for sad twats who know nothing about engines..
Kia come with 6 year warranty because they are good engineers.
Germans lost their tallents...they make vital engine components from plastic and add ££££ to the value of the car just because it has a badge
German cars used to be good. Now they don't make them the same.
^^^every time I see one broken I laugh at its stupid owner while a granny drives past in a yaris
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"These factors are often decided by economists and GDP predictors..
The EU is obviously against giving someone like me the right to trade like this....
They don't want that kind of economy because it threaterns existing establishments....
Tesco/whoever else looses money to me etc...
I personally don't care about gdp. Cost of living and my own well-being are more important...
Not some rich arse hole who makes business trips and holiday homes on the continent!
I don't like the eu and the reason other people like it is mainly because they are financially benefited by it...
^^^^it's no benefit to me because I go to other continents with better resources
And u still think Kia's are better than BMWs too?
You're very entertaining, keep it up
If you bothered to do any research you'd find a lot of people think Kia's are better than BMW's. In the official Consumer report 'Top picks of 2017, Best cars of the year' published on 28th February 2017, BMW didn't even make it onto the list, but surprise, surprise Kia DID make it! The consumer report rates it's cars of the year on some of the following qualities: road test, reliability, owner satisfaction, safety, etc to calculate an overall score.
Results for 2017 as follows...
1. Subcompact car - Toyota Yaris iA
2. Compact car - Chevrolet Cruze
3. Compact Hybrid - Toyota Prius
4. Sports car - Mazda MX-5 Miata
5. Midsized Sedan - KIA OPTIMA
6. Large Sedan - Chevrolet Impala
7. Small SUV - Subaru Forester
8. Midsized SUV - Toyota Highlander
9. Luxury SUV - Audi Q7
10. Compact pick up - Honda Ridgeline.
So as you can see BMW is no where on the list and the Kia Optima was rated best car in the Midsized Sedan category.
You can apologise to Mr Alduin when you feel ready "
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"Well I for one am looking forward to buying Chinese teddy bears with pins for eyes Taiwanese toy trains covered in lead paint American chicken washed in bleach and all the other wonderful trade opportunities those pesky EU regulations deny the UK consumer
In Africa you can get oil, diamonds, tea, coffee, hold, copper and uranium...
South Korea singapoure japan and china are not in the european union.
European union makes inferiour phones and computers to south Koreans...
Bmw are just a badge for sad twats who know nothing about engines..
Kia come with 6 year warranty because they are good engineers.
Germans lost their tallents...they make vital engine components from plastic and add ££££ to the value of the car just because it has a badge
German cars used to be good. Now they don't make them the same.
^^^every time I see one broken I laugh at its stupid owner while a granny drives past in a yaris
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"Low pound = High stock market
High pound = Low stock market
Low pound = Higher imports
High pound = Cheaper imports
However a low pound makes our exports more competitive and is good news for those who work in any industry that exports . It is difficult to see why there would be any long term correlation between share prices and exchange rates as we both import and export goods . It is more a case of swings and roundabouts.
The FTSE will be based on what investors consider to be the long term future prospects and earning potential of companies . The current high indicates that most fund managers consider the future to be bright .
The current high has more to do with the interest rate being so low. Money wants to make a return, it can't do it sitting in the bank so it's used to buy shares, this creates demand, demand drives prices up.
However interest rates have been low for at least ten years and and share performance has been exceptionally strong in the last year. I would have thought that the more important factor is the future earnings steam of the companies concerned combined with future prospects, the ability to pay dividends and the strength of the balance sheet.
Nope. The other factor is that the crash in the pound makes British quoted companies cheap to buy. Effectively there's a 12% discount on all British shares.
Most investment in the stock market is done electronically, very little investment is done on the basis of human analysis.
The machines see "cheap and a better return than the bank" and they buy shares. Anyone using a machine to select their investments is taking a very high risk.
Any serious investor will take time to analyse the long term prospects of a company, the strength of its balance sheet and it's performance compared to others in the sector. Some fund managers will insist on meeting the directors face to face and will want to various directors and visit both the head office and various sites . "
And machinery does all that bar the meeting faster, more consistently delivering better results.
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"Well I for one am looking forward to buying Chinese teddy bears with pins for eyes Taiwanese toy trains covered in lead paint American chicken washed in bleach and all the other wonderful trade opportunities those pesky EU regulations deny the UK consumer
In Africa you can get oil, diamonds, tea, coffee, hold, copper and uranium...
South Korea singapoure japan and china are not in the european union.
European union makes inferiour phones and computers to south Koreans...
Bmw are just a badge for sad twats who know nothing about engines..
Kia come with 6 year warranty because they are good engineers.
Germans lost their tallents...they make vital engine components from plastic and add ££££ to the value of the car just because it has a badge
German cars used to be good. Now they don't make them the same.
^^^every time I see one broken I laugh at its stupid owner while a granny drives past in a yaris
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6 year warranty as a sweetener to get people to buy them more like.
I'd be fairly confident you don't know too much about engines somehow.
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"All the japanise and Korean cars win the awards."
I presume you mean Japanese?
That's a pretty sweeping statement saying "all"Japanese and Korean cars win "the" awards... What awards and do you mean all Japanese and Korean cars?
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Any serious investor will take time to analyse the long term prospects of a company, the strength of its balance sheet and it's performance compared to others in the sector. Some fund managers will insist on meeting the directors face to face and will want to various directors and visit both the head office and various sites . "
.....I am stunned at how incorrect this is. This isnt the 1820s which is probably the last time a fund manager visited a head office of a company before investing in it.
Fund managers dont visit sites and meet directors unless they are large enough investors to have directors.
73% of all US trading is high frequency trading done by computers. |
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Any serious investor will take time to analyse the long term prospects of a company, the strength of its balance sheet and it's performance compared to others in the sector. Some fund managers will insist on meeting the directors face to face and will want to various directors and visit both the head office and various sites .
.....I am stunned at how incorrect this is. This isnt the 1820s which is probably the last time a fund manager visited a head office of a company before investing in it.
Fund managers dont visit sites and meet directors unless they are large enough investors to have directors.
73% of all US trading is high frequency trading done by computers."
Lucky different people take different approaches . If some fund managers wish to jump in blind and just rely on computer programmes that would be fine . Any serious fund manager would appreciate the importance of both seeing and speaking to the management team that you are investing in and in addition having a full understanding of the companies long term objectives. |
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Any serious investor will take time to analyse the long term prospects of a company, the strength of its balance sheet and it's performance compared to others in the sector. Some fund managers will insist on meeting the directors face to face and will want to various directors and visit both the head office and various sites .
.....I am stunned at how incorrect this is. This isnt the 1820s which is probably the last time a fund manager visited a head office of a company before investing in it.
Fund managers dont visit sites and meet directors unless they are large enough investors to have directors.
73% of all US trading is high frequency trading done by computers. Lucky different people take different approaches . If some fund managers wish to jump in blind and just rely on computer programmes that would be fine . Any serious fund manager would appreciate the importance of both seeing and speaking to the management team that you are investing in and in addition having a full understanding of the companies long term objectives. "
No, this is not the way business is done any more. Fund managers do not meet directors and do site visits. It does not happen. I cant stress how wrong you are and out of touch you are.
Do us both a favour and google what shorting a stock means as its one obvious example of how wrong the ideas you have are. |
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Any serious investor will take time to analyse the long term prospects of a company, the strength of its balance sheet and it's performance compared to others in the sector. Some fund managers will insist on meeting the directors face to face and will want to various directors and visit both the head office and various sites .
.....I am stunned at how incorrect this is. This isnt the 1820s which is probably the last time a fund manager visited a head office of a company before investing in it.
Fund managers dont visit sites and meet directors unless they are large enough investors to have directors.
73% of all US trading is high frequency trading done by computers. Lucky different people take different approaches . If some fund managers wish to jump in blind and just rely on computer programmes that would be fine . Any serious fund manager would appreciate the importance of both seeing and speaking to the management team that you are investing in and in addition having a full understanding of the companies long term objectives.
No, this is not the way business is done any more. Fund managers do not meet directors and do site visits. It does not happen. I cant stress how wrong you are and out of touch you are.
Do us both a favour and google what shorting a stock means as its one obvious example of how wrong the ideas you have are."
dont pretty much all big companies have while parts of their business dedicated to investor relations ? Someone has to do non HFT for the rest to take advantage of it in their dark pools ... |
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Any serious investor will take time to analyse the long term prospects of a company, the strength of its balance sheet and it's performance compared to others in the sector. Some fund managers will insist on meeting the directors face to face and will want to various directors and visit both the head office and various sites .
.....I am stunned at how incorrect this is. This isnt the 1820s which is probably the last time a fund manager visited a head office of a company before investing in it.
Fund managers dont visit sites and meet directors unless they are large enough investors to have directors.
73% of all US trading is high frequency trading done by computers. Lucky different people take different approaches . If some fund managers wish to jump in blind and just rely on computer programmes that would be fine . Any serious fund manager would appreciate the importance of both seeing and speaking to the management team that you are investing in and in addition having a full understanding of the companies long term objectives.
No, this is not the way business is done any more. Fund managers do not meet directors and do site visits. It does not happen. I cant stress how wrong you are and out of touch you are.
Do us both a favour and google what shorting a stock means as its one obvious example of how wrong the ideas you have are.dont pretty much all big companies have while parts of their business dedicated to investor relations ? Someone has to do non HFT for the rest to take advantage of it in their dark pools ..."
Sure all big companies are required by law to have certain information available to investors. And there will be data analysts who will look at all the data and run it through algorithms and look for undervalued investments (in fact a woman I know does exactly this for a large investment company in Dublin) but she certainly does not go meeting directors or visiting head offices,much less other sites as well.
You make far more money in stocks by predicting what other buyers will do next than what happens to any particular business.
If you want a good example there was recently a company, Online PLC, who added the word blockchain to their company name. Their share price soared by 394% because blockchain companies are a popular investment. Same company, same directors, same balance sheet but change the name and the price surges. |
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Any serious investor will take time to analyse the long term prospects of a company, the strength of its balance sheet and it's performance compared to others in the sector. Some fund managers will insist on meeting the directors face to face and will want to various directors and visit both the head office and various sites .
.....I am stunned at how incorrect this is. This isnt the 1820s which is probably the last time a fund manager visited a head office of a company before investing in it.
Fund managers dont visit sites and meet directors unless they are large enough investors to have directors.
73% of all US trading is high frequency trading done by computers. Lucky different people take different approaches . If some fund managers wish to jump in blind and just rely on computer programmes that would be fine . Any serious fund manager would appreciate the importance of both seeing and speaking to the management team that you are investing in and in addition having a full understanding of the companies long term objectives.
No, this is not the way business is done any more. Fund managers do not meet directors and do site visits. It does not happen. I cant stress how wrong you are and out of touch you are.
Do us both a favour and google what shorting a stock means as its one obvious example of how wrong the ideas you have are.dont pretty much all big companies have while parts of their business dedicated to investor relations ? Someone has to do non HFT for the rest to take advantage of it in their dark pools ...
Sure all big companies are required by law to have certain information available to investors. And there will be data analysts who will look at all the data and run it through algorithms and look for undervalued investments (in fact a woman I know does exactly this for a large investment company in Dublin) but she certainly does not go meeting directors or visiting head offices,much less other sites as well.
You make far more money in stocks by predicting what other buyers will do next than what happens to any particular business.
If you want a good example there was recently a company, Online PLC, who added the word blockchain to their company name. Their share price soared by 394% because blockchain companies are a popular investment. Same company, same directors, same balance sheet but change the name and the price surges."
The example to which you refer would appear to be a gamble or just very good luck. Most long term investors would wish to fully understand the nature of the business that they are investing in , the products sold and how the management team operate . If someone is investing in companies where they believe that there is opportunity for substantial gains it is inevitable that they will have run up some very heavy losses as well. At best the use of computer programmes can be regarded as a screening exercise . |
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over a year ago
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Any serious investor will take time to analyse the long term prospects of a company, the strength of its balance sheet and it's performance compared to others in the sector. Some fund managers will insist on meeting the directors face to face and will want to various directors and visit both the head office and various sites .
.....I am stunned at how incorrect this is. This isnt the 1820s which is probably the last time a fund manager visited a head office of a company before investing in it.
Fund managers dont visit sites and meet directors unless they are large enough investors to have directors.
73% of all US trading is high frequency trading done by computers. Lucky different people take different approaches . If some fund managers wish to jump in blind and just rely on computer programmes that would be fine . Any serious fund manager would appreciate the importance of both seeing and speaking to the management team that you are investing in and in addition having a full understanding of the companies long term objectives. "
Long term? What the actual fuck are you on about? |
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Any serious investor will take time to analyse the long term prospects of a company, the strength of its balance sheet and it's performance compared to others in the sector. Some fund managers will insist on meeting the directors face to face and will want to various directors and visit both the head office and various sites .
.....I am stunned at how incorrect this is. This isnt the 1820s which is probably the last time a fund manager visited a head office of a company before investing in it.
Fund managers dont visit sites and meet directors unless they are large enough investors to have directors.
73% of all US trading is high frequency trading done by computers. Lucky different people take different approaches . If some fund managers wish to jump in blind and just rely on computer programmes that would be fine . Any serious fund manager would appreciate the importance of both seeing and speaking to the management team that you are investing in and in addition having a full understanding of the companies long term objectives.
No, this is not the way business is done any more. Fund managers do not meet directors and do site visits. It does not happen. I cant stress how wrong you are and out of touch you are.
Do us both a favour and google what shorting a stock means as its one obvious example of how wrong the ideas you have are.dont pretty much all big companies have while parts of their business dedicated to investor relations ? Someone has to do non HFT for the rest to take advantage of it in their dark pools ...
Sure all big companies are required by law to have certain information available to investors. And there will be data analysts who will look at all the data and run it through algorithms and look for undervalued investments (in fact a woman I know does exactly this for a large investment company in Dublin) but she certainly does not go meeting directors or visiting head offices,much less other sites as well.
You make far more money in stocks by predicting what other buyers will do next than what happens to any particular business.
If you want a good example there was recently a company, Online PLC, who added the word blockchain to their company name. Their share price soared by 394% because blockchain companies are a popular investment. Same company, same directors, same balance sheet but change the name and the price surges."
I wonder who made the money here ? And how they managed it.
You also make more money from predicting what people will predict people will do next .... etc |
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over a year ago
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Any serious investor will take time to analyse the long term prospects of a company, the strength of its balance sheet and it's performance compared to others in the sector. Some fund managers will insist on meeting the directors face to face and will want to various directors and visit both the head office and various sites .
.....I am stunned at how incorrect this is. This isnt the 1820s which is probably the last time a fund manager visited a head office of a company before investing in it.
Fund managers dont visit sites and meet directors unless they are large enough investors to have directors.
73% of all US trading is high frequency trading done by computers. Lucky different people take different approaches . If some fund managers wish to jump in blind and just rely on computer programmes that would be fine . Any serious fund manager would appreciate the importance of both seeing and speaking to the management team that you are investing in and in addition having a full understanding of the companies long term objectives.
No, this is not the way business is done any more. Fund managers do not meet directors and do site visits. It does not happen. I cant stress how wrong you are and out of touch you are.
Do us both a favour and google what shorting a stock means as its one obvious example of how wrong the ideas you have are.dont pretty much all big companies have while parts of their business dedicated to investor relations ? Someone has to do non HFT for the rest to take advantage of it in their dark pools ...
Sure all big companies are required by law to have certain information available to investors. And there will be data analysts who will look at all the data and run it through algorithms and look for undervalued investments (in fact a woman I know does exactly this for a large investment company in Dublin) but she certainly does not go meeting directors or visiting head offices,much less other sites as well.
You make far more money in stocks by predicting what other buyers will do next than what happens to any particular business.
If you want a good example there was recently a company, Online PLC, who added the word blockchain to their company name. Their share price soared by 394% because blockchain companies are a popular investment. Same company, same directors, same balance sheet but change the name and the price surges. The example to which you refer would appear to be a gamble or just very good luck. Most long term investors would wish to fully understand the nature of the business that they are investing in , the products sold and how the management team operate . If someone is investing in companies where they believe that there is opportunity for substantial gains it is inevitable that they will have run up some very heavy losses as well. At best the use of computer programmes can be regarded as a screening exercise . "
You have never said which publication you use for your investment advice. Is there a reason that it's such a closely guarded secret? It is a publication so I'd have thought they'd like to sell more copies... |
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"Poland and Greece's economy are out performing the Uk's....why on earth would they want to leave a club thats making there countries better You are absolutely spot on about neither of these counties wanting to leave the EU. They are both net beneficiaries of EU funding . The difference is that the UK is the third largest contributor and no one is able to convince the majority of the electorate what we get in return.
If the UK were net beneficiaries of EU funding I would not see many voting to leave . "
you do know that certain parts of the UK are Net beneficaries don't you....
the part of the UK you profess to live in is a net beneficary (the north west)
the bit of the UK i live in (the north east) is a net beneficary...
the bit just above you is a bigger net beneficary...scotland!
cornwall, south wales, northern ireland.... all beneficaries!
you live in cumbria.... here is a flavour of what the EU has helped in your county...
1) A pot of £87.2m was made available to the Cumbria Local Enterprise Partnership from the European Structural Funds Programme 2014-2020. The money will be used in many ways, including supporting research, helping set up small to medium size businesses and promoting tourism.
2)The Connecting Cumbria project rolled out superfast broadband to homes and businesses across the county and was funded by the European Regional Development Fund as well as Broadband Delivery UK, Cumbria County Council and BT. The EU contribution was £13.7m.
3)Cumbria businesses benefited from the latest round of funding from the European Agriculture Fund for Rural Development, with £1m earmarked for tourism infrastructure and £500,000 tourism business development. The ultimate aim of both funding streams was to promote long stays in Cumbria and encourage more oversea visitors.
4)A programme funded by the European Agricultural Fund For Rural Development benefited Cumbrian woodlands such as the Witherslack Estate. Under the project, woodland owners were visited by qualified advisers, owners were helped to secure grants for equipment, land was protected for biodiversity and wildlife, and vocational training was offered.
5) £5 million of joint funding from the Big Lottery Fund and the European Social Fund will promote social inclusion in Cumbria, with local projects bidding for a share of the cash.
6) West Cumbria was identified as a fishing community to receive a share of a €4.6m pot made available by the European Fisheries Fund. The money is aimed at developing smaller communities which depend on fishing for employment and need to adapt to the changing industry.
7) Last year, £2.5m of matched funding was awarded to the Cumbria Bogs LIFE+ project, a Natural England innovative to restore 507 hectares of damaged lowland raised bogs. The three sites that were identified were Roudsea Woods and Mosses National Nature Reserve, Bolton Fell Moss and Wedholme Flow. |
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"Poland and Greece's economy are out performing the Uk's....why on earth would they want to leave a club thats making there countries better You are absolutely spot on about neither of these counties wanting to leave the EU. They are both net beneficiaries of EU funding . The difference is that the UK is the third largest contributor and no one is able to convince the majority of the electorate what we get in return.
If the UK were net beneficiaries of EU funding I would not see many voting to leave .
you do know that certain parts of the UK are Net beneficaries don't you....
the part of the UK you profess to live in is a net beneficary (the north west)
the bit of the UK i live in (the north east) is a net beneficary...
the bit just above you is a bigger net beneficary...scotland!
cornwall, south wales, northern ireland.... all beneficaries!
you live in cumbria.... here is a flavour of what the EU has helped in your county...
1) A pot of £87.2m was made available to the Cumbria Local Enterprise Partnership from the European Structural Funds Programme 2014-2020. The money will be used in many ways, including supporting research, helping set up small to medium size businesses and promoting tourism.
2)The Connecting Cumbria project rolled out superfast broadband to homes and businesses across the county and was funded by the European Regional Development Fund as well as Broadband Delivery UK, Cumbria County Council and BT. The EU contribution was £13.7m.
3)Cumbria businesses benefited from the latest round of funding from the European Agriculture Fund for Rural Development, with £1m earmarked for tourism infrastructure and £500,000 tourism business development. The ultimate aim of both funding streams was to promote long stays in Cumbria and encourage more oversea visitors.
4)A programme funded by the European Agricultural Fund For Rural Development benefited Cumbrian woodlands such as the Witherslack Estate. Under the project, woodland owners were visited by qualified advisers, owners were helped to secure grants for equipment, land was protected for biodiversity and wildlife, and vocational training was offered.
5) £5 million of joint funding from the Big Lottery Fund and the European Social Fund will promote social inclusion in Cumbria, with local projects bidding for a share of the cash.
6) West Cumbria was identified as a fishing community to receive a share of a €4.6m pot made available by the European Fisheries Fund. The money is aimed at developing smaller communities which depend on fishing for employment and need to adapt to the changing industry.
7) Last year, £2.5m of matched funding was awarded to the Cumbria Bogs LIFE+ project, a Natural England innovative to restore 507 hectares of damaged lowland raised bogs. The three sites that were identified were Roudsea Woods and Mosses National Nature Reserve, Bolton Fell Moss and Wedholme Flow."
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By *abioMan
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anyway my issue isn't actually the vote itself..... if the sense is that people want to leave, fine
what i don't get is that you are happy to vote on a blank cheque.... but don't want a vote on the actual final deal itself!
i find that madness....isn't that the difference between potential consequences and knowing the actual consequences!
i think the reason why they don't wont any votes on the final deal is that i think when people are faced with the stark realisation of what it truely means... they would not win a vote 2
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"Poland and Greece's economy are out performing the Uk's....why on earth would they want to leave a club thats making there countries better You are absolutely spot on about neither of these counties wanting to leave the EU. They are both net beneficiaries of EU funding . The difference is that the UK is the third largest contributor and no one is able to convince the majority of the electorate what we get in return.
If the UK were net beneficiaries of EU funding I would not see many voting to leave .
you do know that certain parts of the UK are Net beneficaries don't you....
the part of the UK you profess to live in is a net beneficary (the north west)
the bit of the UK i live in (the north east) is a net beneficary...
the bit just above you is a bigger net beneficary...scotland!
cornwall, south wales, northern ireland.... all beneficaries!
you live in cumbria.... here is a flavour of what the EU has helped in your county...
1) A pot of £87.2m was made available to the Cumbria Local Enterprise Partnership from the European Structural Funds Programme 2014-2020. The money will be used in many ways, including supporting research, helping set up small to medium size businesses and promoting tourism.
2)The Connecting Cumbria project rolled out superfast broadband to homes and businesses across the county and was funded by the European Regional Development Fund as well as Broadband Delivery UK, Cumbria County Council and BT. The EU contribution was £13.7m.
3)Cumbria businesses benefited from the latest round of funding from the European Agriculture Fund for Rural Development, with £1m earmarked for tourism infrastructure and £500,000 tourism business development. The ultimate aim of both funding streams was to promote long stays in Cumbria and encourage more oversea visitors.
4)A programme funded by the European Agricultural Fund For Rural Development benefited Cumbrian woodlands such as the Witherslack Estate. Under the project, woodland owners were visited by qualified advisers, owners were helped to secure grants for equipment, land was protected for biodiversity and wildlife, and vocational training was offered.
5) £5 million of joint funding from the Big Lottery Fund and the European Social Fund will promote social inclusion in Cumbria, with local projects bidding for a share of the cash.
6) West Cumbria was identified as a fishing community to receive a share of a €4.6m pot made available by the European Fisheries Fund. The money is aimed at developing smaller communities which depend on fishing for employment and need to adapt to the changing industry.
7) Last year, £2.5m of matched funding was awarded to the Cumbria Bogs LIFE+ project, a Natural England innovative to restore 507 hectares of damaged lowland raised bogs. The three sites that were identified were Roudsea Woods and Mosses National Nature Reserve, Bolton Fell Moss and Wedholme Flow."
Hi. Thanks for taking the time to post this. It is interesting and informative . |
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"Poland and Greece's economy are out performing the Uk's....why on earth would they want to leave a club thats making there countries better You are absolutely spot on about neither of these counties wanting to leave the EU. They are both net beneficiaries of EU funding . The difference is that the UK is the third largest contributor and no one is able to convince the majority of the electorate what we get in return.
If the UK were net beneficiaries of EU funding I would not see many voting to leave .
you do know that certain parts of the UK are Net beneficaries don't you....
the part of the UK you profess to live in is a net beneficary (the north west)
the bit of the UK i live in (the north east) is a net beneficary...
the bit just above you is a bigger net beneficary...scotland!
cornwall, south wales, northern ireland.... all beneficaries!
you live in cumbria.... here is a flavour of what the EU has helped in your county...
1) A pot of £87.2m was made available to the Cumbria Local Enterprise Partnership from the European Structural Funds Programme 2014-2020. The money will be used in many ways, including supporting research, helping set up small to medium size businesses and promoting tourism.
2)The Connecting Cumbria project rolled out superfast broadband to homes and businesses across the county and was funded by the European Regional Development Fund as well as Broadband Delivery UK, Cumbria County Council and BT. The EU contribution was £13.7m.
3)Cumbria businesses benefited from the latest round of funding from the European Agriculture Fund for Rural Development, with £1m earmarked for tourism infrastructure and £500,000 tourism business development. The ultimate aim of both funding streams was to promote long stays in Cumbria and encourage more oversea visitors.
4)A programme funded by the European Agricultural Fund For Rural Development benefited Cumbrian woodlands such as the Witherslack Estate. Under the project, woodland owners were visited by qualified advisers, owners were helped to secure grants for equipment, land was protected for biodiversity and wildlife, and vocational training was offered.
5) £5 million of joint funding from the Big Lottery Fund and the European Social Fund will promote social inclusion in Cumbria, with local projects bidding for a share of the cash.
6) West Cumbria was identified as a fishing community to receive a share of a €4.6m pot made available by the European Fisheries Fund. The money is aimed at developing smaller communities which depend on fishing for employment and need to adapt to the changing industry.
7) Last year, £2.5m of matched funding was awarded to the Cumbria Bogs LIFE+ project, a Natural England innovative to restore 507 hectares of damaged lowland raised bogs. The three sites that were identified were Roudsea Woods and Mosses National Nature Reserve, Bolton Fell Moss and Wedholme Flow. Hi. Thanks for taking the time to post this. It is interesting and informative . "
The thing is though that money for those projects Fabio listed is UK taxpayers money. He calls it EU money but it is really UK Taxpayers money. The UK as a whole is a nett contributor to the EU, UK taxpayers money is being handed over to the EU, recycled by a few pen pushing desk jockey bureaucrats in Brussels and then handed back to us and they tell us how to spend it! It's the biggest con trick going, the term 'EU money' is a fallacy it's UK taxpayers who funded those projects. After Brexit we can cut the EU middle man out and decide what our own priorities are and spend that money ourselves on our own priorities. |
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"Poland and Greece's economy are out performing the Uk's....why on earth would they want to leave a club thats making there countries better You are absolutely spot on about neither of these counties wanting to leave the EU. They are both net beneficiaries of EU funding . The difference is that the UK is the third largest contributor and no one is able to convince the majority of the electorate what we get in return.
If the UK were net beneficiaries of EU funding I would not see many voting to leave .
you do know that certain parts of the UK are Net beneficaries don't you....
the part of the UK you profess to live in is a net beneficary (the north west)
the bit of the UK i live in (the north east) is a net beneficary...
the bit just above you is a bigger net beneficary...scotland!
cornwall, south wales, northern ireland.... all beneficaries!
you live in cumbria.... here is a flavour of what the EU has helped in your county...
1) A pot of £87.2m was made available to the Cumbria Local Enterprise Partnership from the European Structural Funds Programme 2014-2020. The money will be used in many ways, including supporting research, helping set up small to medium size businesses and promoting tourism.
2)The Connecting Cumbria project rolled out superfast broadband to homes and businesses across the county and was funded by the European Regional Development Fund as well as Broadband Delivery UK, Cumbria County Council and BT. The EU contribution was £13.7m.
3)Cumbria businesses benefited from the latest round of funding from the European Agriculture Fund for Rural Development, with £1m earmarked for tourism infrastructure and £500,000 tourism business development. The ultimate aim of both funding streams was to promote long stays in Cumbria and encourage more oversea visitors.
4)A programme funded by the European Agricultural Fund For Rural Development benefited Cumbrian woodlands such as the Witherslack Estate. Under the project, woodland owners were visited by qualified advisers, owners were helped to secure grants for equipment, land was protected for biodiversity and wildlife, and vocational training was offered.
5) £5 million of joint funding from the Big Lottery Fund and the European Social Fund will promote social inclusion in Cumbria, with local projects bidding for a share of the cash.
6) West Cumbria was identified as a fishing community to receive a share of a €4.6m pot made available by the European Fisheries Fund. The money is aimed at developing smaller communities which depend on fishing for employment and need to adapt to the changing industry.
7) Last year, £2.5m of matched funding was awarded to the Cumbria Bogs LIFE+ project, a Natural England innovative to restore 507 hectares of damaged lowland raised bogs. The three sites that were identified were Roudsea Woods and Mosses National Nature Reserve, Bolton Fell Moss and Wedholme Flow. Hi. Thanks for taking the time to post this. It is interesting and informative .
The thing is though that money for those projects Fabio listed is UK taxpayers money. He calls it EU money but it is really UK Taxpayers money. The UK as a whole is a nett contributor to the EU, UK taxpayers money is being handed over to the EU, recycled by a few pen pushing desk jockey bureaucrats in Brussels and then handed back to us and they tell us how to spend it! It's the biggest con trick going, the term 'EU money' is a fallacy it's UK taxpayers who funded those projects. After Brexit we can cut the EU middle man out and decide what our own priorities are and spend that money ourselves on our own priorities. "
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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The thing is though that money for those projects Fabio listed is UK taxpayers money. He calls it EU money but it is really UK Taxpayers money. The UK as a whole is a nett contributor to the EU, UK taxpayers money is being handed over to the EU, recycled by a few pen pushing desk jockey bureaucrats in Brussels and then handed back to us and they tell us how to spend it! It's the biggest con trick going, the term 'EU money' is a fallacy it's UK taxpayers who funded those projects. After Brexit we can cut the EU middle man out and decide what our own priorities are and spend that money ourselves on our own priorities. "
see i think it is interesting that you use the word "priorities" at the end....
because the stark truth is that none of those projects were "uk priorities" or the EU wouldn't need to help fund them....
so here is a question for you centy... lets try and be honest.... would that money if it had gone to UK plc directly have gone to help fund those projects.... or would that money have gone to fund the promise on the side of the bus instead.....
the issue is the EU fund a lot more than you think....
so, since centy says he lives in the cannock area, i thought i would how the EU has helped in his area... and found all this from his favourite local paper, the express and star... very informative by the way!
" The Treasury estimates that around 250,000 jobs in the West Midlands are linked to trade with the rest of the EU, around nine per cent of total jobs"
"Over the last five years, investment into the West Midlands from the EU has created an estimated 11,491 jobs and safeguarded another 4,887"
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Take a look at many of the major developments that have sprouted up around the region in recent years and it's a fair bet that EU money has helped to lay the foundations.
The bulk of the cash has come from the European Structural Fund, made up of the European Regional Development Fund (ERDF) and the European Social Fund (ESF).
From 2007-2013 the West Midlands received £626 million, with around £732m earmarked for the region during the next stage of the programme, from 2014-2020. For example the £145m it cost to build the first stage of the Midland Metro tram network included £31m in ERDF money.
The University of Wolverhampton has received nearly £70m in EU cash over the last 16 years, including a total of £30m for buildings and facilities.
This includes £14m in grants for the Wolverhampton Science Park and £4.5m for the city centre campus.
The university's vice chancellor Professor Geoff Layer said £8m of EU cash had bankrolled a business start-up programme that has led to 620 firms launched across the West Midlands and created more than 1,000 jobs."
"Earlier this year the local authorities of Walsall, Sandwell, Dudley and Wolverhampton received £17m in ESF funding for a scheme to tackle youth unemployment across the Black Country.
Staffordshire County Council partnership has entered into a similar scheme."
quite impressive......
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ooooh... i forgot a bit!!!! actually i didn't.. but it is so impressive it deserves its own post so it doesn't get missed....
again from the express and star.......
"However, critics point out that the EU is simply filtering back a small chunk of the billions we plough into the union every year."
(hmmmmm now where have i heard THAT arguement.....let me think!!! oh yeah!!! anyway.... moving on!)
"Britain's annual spend on the EU has been a point of great debate since the Prime Minister announced the referendum date last month.
'Leave' backers, including UKIP leader Nigel Farage, have bandied around the figure of £55m a day, although this has not stood up to scrutiny.
Taking into account the sizable rebate negotiated by Margaret Thatcher during her tenure as Prime Minister, we actually pay around £35m a day, making our net contribution estimated to be around £8.5bn a year.
This means that every taxpayer in the Black Country and Staffordshire sends a little over 1p in every £1 paid in tax to the EU."
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"Poland and Greece's economy are out performing the Uk's....why on earth would they want to leave a club thats making there countries better You are absolutely spot on about neither of these counties wanting to leave the EU. They are both net beneficiaries of EU funding . The difference is that the UK is the third largest contributor and no one is able to convince the majority of the electorate what we get in return.
If the UK were net beneficiaries of EU funding I would not see many voting to leave .
you do know that certain parts of the UK are Net beneficaries don't you....
the part of the UK you profess to live in is a net beneficary (the north west)
the bit of the UK i live in (the north east) is a net beneficary...
the bit just above you is a bigger net beneficary...scotland!
cornwall, south wales, northern ireland.... all beneficaries!
you live in cumbria.... here is a flavour of what the EU has helped in your county...
1) A pot of £87.2m was made available to the Cumbria Local Enterprise Partnership from the European Structural Funds Programme 2014-2020. The money will be used in many ways, including supporting research, helping set up small to medium size businesses and promoting tourism.
2)The Connecting Cumbria project rolled out superfast broadband to homes and businesses across the county and was funded by the European Regional Development Fund as well as Broadband Delivery UK, Cumbria County Council and BT. The EU contribution was £13.7m.
3)Cumbria businesses benefited from the latest round of funding from the European Agriculture Fund for Rural Development, with £1m earmarked for tourism infrastructure and £500,000 tourism business development. The ultimate aim of both funding streams was to promote long stays in Cumbria and encourage more oversea visitors.
4)A programme funded by the European Agricultural Fund For Rural Development benefited Cumbrian woodlands such as the Witherslack Estate. Under the project, woodland owners were visited by qualified advisers, owners were helped to secure grants for equipment, land was protected for biodiversity and wildlife, and vocational training was offered.
5) £5 million of joint funding from the Big Lottery Fund and the European Social Fund will promote social inclusion in Cumbria, with local projects bidding for a share of the cash.
6) West Cumbria was identified as a fishing community to receive a share of a €4.6m pot made available by the European Fisheries Fund. The money is aimed at developing smaller communities which depend on fishing for employment and need to adapt to the changing industry.
7) Last year, £2.5m of matched funding was awarded to the Cumbria Bogs LIFE+ project, a Natural England innovative to restore 507 hectares of damaged lowland raised bogs. The three sites that were identified were Roudsea Woods and Mosses National Nature Reserve, Bolton Fell Moss and Wedholme Flow. Hi. Thanks for taking the time to post this. It is interesting and informative .
The thing is though that money for those projects Fabio listed is UK taxpayers money. He calls it EU money but it is really UK Taxpayers money. The UK as a whole is a nett contributor to the EU, UK taxpayers money is being handed over to the EU, recycled by a few pen pushing desk jockey bureaucrats in Brussels and then handed back to us and they tell us how to spend it! It's the biggest con trick going, the term 'EU money' is a fallacy it's UK taxpayers who funded those projects. After Brexit we can cut the EU middle man out and decide what our own priorities are and spend that money ourselves on our own priorities. "
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The thing is though that money for those projects Fabio listed is UK taxpayers money. He calls it EU money but it is really UK Taxpayers money. The UK as a whole is a nett contributor to the EU, UK taxpayers money is being handed over to the EU, recycled by a few pen pushing desk jockey bureaucrats in Brussels and then handed back to us and they tell us how to spend it! It's the biggest con trick going, the term 'EU money' is a fallacy it's UK taxpayers who funded those projects. After Brexit we can cut the EU middle man out and decide what our own priorities are and spend that money ourselves on our own priorities.
see i think it is interesting that you use the word "priorities" at the end....
because the stark truth is that none of those projects were "uk priorities" or the EU wouldn't need to help fund them....
so here is a question for you centy... lets try and be honest.... would that money if it had gone to UK plc directly have gone to help fund those projects.... or would that money have gone to fund the promise on the side of the bus instead.....
the issue is the EU fund a lot more than you think....
so, since centy says he lives in the cannock area, i thought i would how the EU has helped in his area... and found all this from his favourite local paper, the express and star... very informative by the way!
" The Treasury estimates that around 250,000 jobs in the West Midlands are linked to trade with the rest of the EU, around nine per cent of total jobs"
"Over the last five years, investment into the West Midlands from the EU has created an estimated 11,491 jobs and safeguarded another 4,887"
"
Take a look at many of the major developments that have sprouted up around the region in recent years and it's a fair bet that EU money has helped to lay the foundations.
The bulk of the cash has come from the European Structural Fund, made up of the European Regional Development Fund (ERDF) and the European Social Fund (ESF).
From 2007-2013 the West Midlands received £626 million, with around £732m earmarked for the region during the next stage of the programme, from 2014-2020. For example the £145m it cost to build the first stage of the Midland Metro tram network included £31m in ERDF money.
The University of Wolverhampton has received nearly £70m in EU cash over the last 16 years, including a total of £30m for buildings and facilities.
This includes £14m in grants for the Wolverhampton Science Park and £4.5m for the city centre campus.
The university's vice chancellor Professor Geoff Layer said £8m of EU cash had bankrolled a business start-up programme that has led to 620 firms launched across the West Midlands and created more than 1,000 jobs."
"Earlier this year the local authorities of Walsall, Sandwell, Dudley and Wolverhampton received £17m in ESF funding for a scheme to tackle youth unemployment across the Black Country.
Staffordshire County Council partnership has entered into a similar scheme."
quite impressive......
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Not 'EU cash' or 'EU money' as I explained in my previous post it's UK taxpayers money all day long. When the Cannock area voted Leave by around 68% in the referendum a local councillor said "I'm really not surprised by the result, as the EU has done absolutely nothing for the people of Cannock". |
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"The thing is though that money for those projects Fabio listed is UK taxpayers money. He calls it EU money but it is really UK Taxpayers money. The UK as a whole is a nett contributor to the EU, UK taxpayers money is being handed over to the EU, recycled by a few pen pushing desk jockey bureaucrats in Brussels and then handed back to us and they tell us how to spend it! It's the biggest con trick going, the term 'EU money' is a fallacy it's UK taxpayers who funded those projects. After Brexit we can cut the EU middle man out and decide what our own priorities are and spend that money ourselves on our own priorities."
I were to be pedantic I'd say it's not UK taxpayer's money it's south east of England taxpayer's money, though of course the Tories have a fine history of spending in Wales, and Scotland, the north, no hang on a sec there is UK taxpayer's money for Northern Ireland |
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"Nope, it's EU money.
You can tell, because it comes from the EU.
And where did the EU get it in the first place?.....From the UK taxpayer, ergo it is UK taxpayers cash, not EU cash. "
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It’s hard to argue against it being the UK money ... but wait a minute, UK’s money is actually MY money. Why shouldn’t we get rid of taxes and I will decide where to spend it ...
Sometimes it’s better to give a larger body money, even if you are a net contributor because they will spend it in a more wise way. And call me a cynic but I suspect many of the EU projects wouldn’t get the focus from a UK government. As they would be vote winners ...
And sometimes the greater good is worth being a net contributor in itself. But that’s another thread |
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"Nope, it's EU money.
You can tell, because it comes from the EU.
And where did the EU get it in the first place?.....From the UK taxpayer, ergo it is UK taxpayers cash, not EU cash. "
From the south east of England taxpayer's? |
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"Nope, it's EU money.
You can tell, because it comes from the EU.
And where did the EU get it in the first place?.....From the UK taxpayer, ergo it is UK taxpayers cash, not EU cash. "
If we want to go down this rabbit hole, then where did they get it from, surely then it's not the UK tax payers cash, but rather the cash of those who paid them. Or maybe those people who paid the people who eventually paid the UK tax payer?
And the EU does get money from every nation in the EU, so it's as much UK cash as it is French and German.
Which is all to poke fun at this idea that the EU funds that the UK benefitted from were just UK money being handed right back.
And even if you did take that tact, the current government has, at no point, made any kind of noise about stepping in to fill the void with that good old UK money, which is rather the point, isn't it?
Shades of the NHS bus, really. |
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If being outside the EU works out worse for us in the long term, it will be "told you so" by the remain camp. If it turns out better for us, the remain camp will say there is no way we could have known.
We have to make it work. Bitching about who was right or wrong doesn't help.
Did I rob my children of the right to work anywhere in the EU? Probably.
Do they want to work anywhere im the EU? No.
There is the Commonwealth and the rest of the world to do trade with. |
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Still don't know where "money" comes from I see .
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You don't get it from taxes, tax is a slice of money already created, you can't create money via tax but you can help it along its way of distribution via tax.
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Money in its simplest form is a representation of debt or future "work".
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"Nope, it's EU money.
You can tell, because it comes from the EU.
And where did the EU get it in the first place?.....From the UK taxpayer, ergo it is UK taxpayers cash, not EU cash. "
What I cannot understand is why people refer to projects as being funded by the EU. It may be the case if you are a net beneficiary ( as opposed to being a contributor ) in countries such as Ireland or Poland but certainly not in the UK where we have always been net contributors. EU funding is simply a return of some of the money which we have already paid in. Think how much more efficient and cost effective if we simply organised these projects ourselves . How can adding an extra layer of bureaucracy assist anyone . ? We are simply recycling out own money . |
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"If being outside the EU works out worse for us in the long term, it will be "told you so" by the remain camp. If it turns out better for us, the remain camp will say there is no way we could have known.
We have to make it work. Bitching about who was right or wrong doesn't help.
Did I rob my children of the right to work anywhere in the EU? Probably.
Do they want to work anywhere im the EU? No.
There is the Commonwealth and the rest of the world to do trade with."
The mantra that people need to stop trying to change things as they are and just make the best of it is really fucking galling.
People stupid enough to think this is a wise course of action weren't going to just give up had the referendum gone the other way, so I don't think who they think they're fooling by pretending it's all settled now. |
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over a year ago
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There is the Commonwealth and the rest of the world to do trade with."
And therein the sheer delusional fantasy of Brexit....
I will never go to my local shop because it is infinitely more sensible to drive 50 miles to another shop that is owned by a guy that I used to go to school with. He will definitely give me a discount because I actually owned him at school - he was my bitch and j am sure he likes me now and has never stopped loving me really. |
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what i don't get is that you are happy to vote on a blank cheque.... but don't want a vote on the actual final deal itself!
i find that madness....isn't that the difference between potential consequences and knowing the actual consequences!
i think the reason why they don't wont any votes on the final deal is that i think when people are faced with the stark realisation of what it truely means... they would not win a vote 2
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You are right, it is madness.
The failures if modern democracy... You get half a choice on half the information.. |
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There is the Commonwealth and the rest of the world to do trade with.
And therein the sheer delusional fantasy of Brexit....
I will never go to my local shop because it is infinitely more sensible to drive 50 miles to another shop that is owned by a guy that I used to go to school with. He will definitely give me a discount because I actually owned him at school - he was my bitch and j am sure he likes me now and has never stopped loving me really."
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I think the problem with brexit is that it is in no way a calculated risk but an "I'm all-in, how can it not work risk".
Very little planning, piss poor implementation and zero plan B |
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"Nope, it's EU money.
You can tell, because it comes from the EU.
And where did the EU get it in the first place?.....From the UK taxpayer, ergo it is UK taxpayers cash, not EU cash. "
No they got some of it from the uk, the rest came from other countries within the European Union. This relatively simple concept seems to be beyond your comprehension. |
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"Nope, it's EU money.
You can tell, because it comes from the EU.
And where did the EU get it in the first place?.....From the UK taxpayer, ergo it is UK taxpayers cash, not EU cash. What I cannot understand is why people refer to projects as being funded by the EU. It may be the case if you are a net beneficiary ( as opposed to being a contributor ) in countries such as Ireland or Poland but certainly not in the UK where we have always been net contributors. EU funding is simply a return of some of the money which we have already paid in. Think how much more efficient and cost effective if we simply organised these projects ourselves . How can adding an extra layer of bureaucracy assist anyone . ? We are simply recycling out own money . "
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over a year ago
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Two simple questions for Brexit supporters. Really easy because you will have thought about this deeply.
1. Why will the UK be able to do more and better and faster international trade deals by itself than as part of the EU?
2. Why is it undemocratic for either Parliament or the general population in another referendum to vote against Brexit if new information, such as the actual deal, becomes available?
Direct, clear answers if you can manage it. Free of insults if possible.
Not answering implies an inability to answer.
Enjoy |
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over a year ago
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"Two simple questions for Brexit supporters. Really easy because you will have thought about this deeply.
1. Why will the UK be able to do more and better and faster international trade deals by itself than as part of the EU?
2. Why is it undemocratic for either Parliament or the general population in another referendum to vote against Brexit if new information, such as the actual deal, becomes available?
Direct, clear answers if you can manage it. Free of insults if possible.
Not answering implies an inability to answer.
Enjoy "
1. Less EU legislation and red tape to get in the way. I say less rather than none as I understand we will still be bound by some even after exiting.
2. It's not. Whether it would happen is another matter but I don't believe it undemocratic.
My overall belief is that the EU was a good idea but it is broken and needs a reboot. Until that happens we are best out of it. I further believe that leaving won't be an insta fix either. Probably looking at a good few years of instability before things start to improve. |
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"It’s hard to argue against it being the UK money ... but wait a minute, UK’s money is actually MY money. Why shouldn’t we get rid of taxes and I will decide where to spend it ...
Sometimes it’s better to give a larger body money, even if you are a net contributor because they will spend it in a more wise way. And call me a cynic but I suspect many of the EU projects wouldn’t get the focus from a UK government. As they would be vote winners ...
And sometimes the greater good is worth being a net contributor in itself. But that’s another thread "
I'm a Brexiteer but can see the value in this. |
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"If being outside the EU works out worse for us in the long term, it will be "told you so" by the remain camp. If it turns out better for us, the remain camp will say there is no way we could have known.
We have to make it work. Bitching about who was right or wrong doesn't help.
Did I rob my children of the right to work anywhere in the EU? Probably.
Do they want to work anywhere im the EU? No.
There is the Commonwealth and the rest of the world to do trade with."
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"Nope, it's EU money.
You can tell, because it comes from the EU.
And where did the EU get it in the first place?.....From the UK taxpayer, ergo it is UK taxpayers cash, not EU cash. What I cannot understand is why people refer to projects as being funded by the EU. It may be the case if you are a net beneficiary ( as opposed to being a contributor ) in countries such as Ireland or Poland but certainly not in the UK where we have always been net contributors. EU funding is simply a return of some of the money which we have already paid in. Think how much more efficient and cost effective if we simply organised these projects ourselves . How can adding an extra layer of bureaucracy assist anyone . ? We are simply recycling out own money . "
The idea of funding the projects ourselves is a good one but with our present govt, it'd more likely be funds swallowed up by our debt. It won't ever be "oh here are the billions ear marked for the EU, what shall we spend it on this year". |
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"If being outside the EU works out worse for us in the long term, it will be "told you so" by the remain camp. If it turns out better for us, the remain camp will say there is no way we could have known.
We have to make it work. Bitching about who was right or wrong doesn't help.
Did I rob my children of the right to work anywhere in the EU? Probably.
Do they want to work anywhere im the EU? No.
There is the Commonwealth and the rest of the world to do trade with.
The mantra that people need to stop trying to change things as they are and just make the best of it is really fucking galling.
People stupid enough to think this is a wise course of action weren't going to just give up had the referendum gone the other way, so I don't think who they think they're fooling by pretending it's all settled now. "
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what i don't get is that you are happy to vote on a blank cheque.... but don't want a vote on the actual final deal itself!
i find that madness....isn't that the difference between potential consequences and knowing the actual consequences!
i think the reason why they don't wont any votes on the final deal is that i think when people are faced with the stark realisation of what it truely means... they would not win a vote 2
You are right, it is madness.
The failures if modern democracy... You get half a choice on half the information.. "
I'd love a second vote on choosing our govt. It ain't happening .
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"I think the problem with brexit is that it is in no way a calculated risk but an "I'm all-in, how can it not work risk".
Very little planning, piss poor implementation and zero plan B "
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Two simple questions for Brexit supporters. Really easy because you will have thought about this deeply.
1. Why will the UK be able to do more and better and faster international trade deals by itself than as part of the EU?
2. Why is it undemocratic for either Parliament or the general population in another referendum to vote against Brexit if new information, such as the actual deal, becomes available?
Direct, clear answers if you can manage it. Free of insults if possible.
Not answering implies an inability to answer.
Enjoy
1. Less EU legislation and red tape to get in the way. I say less rather than none as I understand we will still be bound by some even after exiting.
2. It's not. Whether it would happen is another matter but I don't believe it undemocratic.
My overall belief is that the EU was a good idea but it is broken and needs a reboot. Until that happens we are best out of it. I further believe that leaving won't be an insta fix either. Probably looking at a good few years of instability before things start to improve. "
1. What legislation made red tape? That is a meaningless slogan. Do you mean that we should have fewer regulations on the standards of food safety and the quality of goods? Should we have less rigorous financial regulation and not check where investment money comes from? Should we reduce tax on the rich and big companies?
2. I wish that you weren't in such a minority amongst those claiming to want parliamentary sovereignty and bring back power to the UK |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"If being outside the EU works out worse for us in the long term, it will be "told you so" by the remain camp. If it turns out better for us, the remain camp will say there is no way we could have known.
We have to make it work. Bitching about who was right or wrong doesn't help.
Did I rob my children of the right to work anywhere in the EU? Probably.
Do they want to work anywhere im the EU? No.
There is the Commonwealth and the rest of the world to do trade with.
common sense."
Common sense now just seems to mean that you believe and have faith that something is true without evidence of any kind. It's just religion.
We don't have to "make it work". That's a false premise. We can stay. We can join EFTA.
I notice that you chose not to answer my two simple questions. |
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"If being outside the EU works out worse for us in the long term, it will be "told you so" by the remain camp. If it turns out better for us, the remain camp will say there is no way we could have known.
We have to make it work. Bitching about who was right or wrong doesn't help.
Did I rob my children of the right to work anywhere in the EU? Probably.
Do they want to work anywhere im the EU? No.
There is the Commonwealth and the rest of the world to do trade with.
common sense.
Common sense now just seems to mean that you believe and have faith that something is true without evidence of any kind. It's just religion.
We don't have to "make it work". That's a false premise. We can stay. We can join EFTA.
I notice that you chose not to answer my two simple questions.
The country voted to leave on the premise it was a one time vote. Students voted for Labour on the premise it woukd scrap studemt fees. Labour then stated it was an aspiration to scrap student fees.
The Government and Opposition were in the Remain camp. They have to respect the will of the people.
No one knows for certain how it will pan out, but if people dig their heels in and refuse to make things then we are doomed to failure. Feeling smug that you were right doesn't put food on the table.
As for the rest of the world. Have a look around your house. Se how much of your stuff was Made in the UK, Made in the EU, Imported by the EU and Made elsewhere."
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"If being outside the EU works out worse for us in the long term, it will be "told you so" by the remain camp. If it turns out better for us, the remain camp will say there is no way we could have known.
We have to make it work. Bitching about who was right or wrong doesn't help.
Did I rob my children of the right to work anywhere in the EU? Probably.
Do they want to work anywhere im the EU? No.
There is the Commonwealth and the rest of the world to do trade with.
common sense.
Common sense now just seems to mean that you believe and have faith that something is true without evidence of any kind. It's just religion.
We don't have to "make it work". That's a false premise. We can stay. We can join EFTA.
I notice that you chose not to answer my two simple questions.
The country voted to leave on the premise it was a one time vote. Students voted for Labour on the premise it woukd scrap studemt fees. Labour then stated it was an aspiration to scrap student fees.
The Government and Opposition were in the Remain camp. They have to respect the will of the people.
No one knows for certain how it will pan out, but if people dig their heels in and refuse to make things then we are doomed to failure. Feeling smug that you were right doesn't put food on the table.
As for the rest of the world. Have a look around your house. Se how much of your stuff was Made in the UK, Made in the EU, Imported by the EU and Made elsewhere."
So, essentially, if you find out that you were wrong about something the best thing to do is carry on regardless?
I thought that the premise of democracy was that when the facts change you can change your mind. If not, what is it? How do you find out if the will of the people has changed?
We buy things from many places. So? What makes the UK a more attractive trading partner than the EU? What makes the isolated UK negotiating position with China stronger than within the EU? |
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"If being outside the EU works out worse for us in the long term, it will be "told you so" by the remain camp. If it turns out better for us, the remain camp will say there is no way we could have known.
We have to make it work. Bitching about who was right or wrong doesn't help.
Did I rob my children of the right to work anywhere in the EU? Probably.
Do they want to work anywhere im the EU? No.
There is the Commonwealth and the rest of the world to do trade with.
common sense.
Common sense now just seems to mean that you believe and have faith that something is true without evidence of any kind. It's just religion.
We don't have to "make it work". That's a false premise. We can stay. We can join EFTA.
I notice that you chose not to answer my two simple questions.
The country voted to leave on the premise it was a one time vote. Students voted for Labour on the premise it woukd scrap studemt fees. Labour then stated it was an aspiration to scrap student fees.
The Government and Opposition were in the Remain camp. They have to respect the will of the people.
No one knows for certain how it will pan out, but if people dig their heels in and refuse to make things then we are doomed to failure. Feeling smug that you were right doesn't put food on the table.
As for the rest of the world. Have a look around your house. Se how much of your stuff was Made in the UK, Made in the EU, Imported by the EU and Made elsewhere.
So, essentially, if you find out that you were wrong about something the best thing to do is carry on regardless?
I thought that the premise of democracy was that when the facts change you can change your mind. If not, what is it? How do you find out if the will of the people has changed?
We buy things from many places. So? What makes the UK a more attractive trading partner than the EU? What makes the isolated UK negotiating position with China stronger than within the EU?"
The British Brand is strong. It may seem quaint and cliche'd to the Europhile. It could just be me but I take a pride in my country and what we can achieve. I don't go out of my way and think "I must buy european". My jeans are American, my phone is Korean, my car is Japanese, my motorbike is British. I prefer Portuguese Port (not European), French Champagne, German Sausage, etc. I cannot think of anything Eastern European or anything Generic EU that I choose as a Preference.
To push your second point. Any trade deal with Europe has to suit all 28 Member States. That means what suits us may not suit Spain, Greece or anyone else. Negotiating country to country surely has to be better. The rest of the world trades with each other quite happily. |
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"If being outside the EU works out worse for us in the long term, it will be "told you so" by the remain camp. If it turns out better for us, the remain camp will say there is no way we could have known.
We have to make it work. Bitching about who was right or wrong doesn't help.
Did I rob my children of the right to work anywhere in the EU? Probably.
Do they want to work anywhere im the EU? No.
There is the Commonwealth and the rest of the world to do trade with.
common sense.
Common sense now just seems to mean that you believe and have faith that something is true without evidence of any kind. It's just religion.
We don't have to "make it work". That's a false premise. We can stay. We can join EFTA.
I notice that you chose not to answer my two simple questions."
I find you hard work, that's why |
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"If being outside the EU works out worse for us in the long term, it will be "told you so" by the remain camp. If it turns out better for us, the remain camp will say there is no way we could have known.
We have to make it work. Bitching about who was right or wrong doesn't help.
Did I rob my children of the right to work anywhere in the EU? Probably.
Do they want to work anywhere im the EU? No.
There is the Commonwealth and the rest of the world to do trade with.
common sense.
Common sense now just seems to mean that you believe and have faith that something is true without evidence of any kind. It's just religion.
We don't have to "make it work". That's a false premise. We can stay. We can join EFTA.
I notice that you chose not to answer my two simple questions.
I find you hard work, that's why "
For point two i have already indirectly answered that prior to your question! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
" What I cannot understand is why people refer to projects as being funded by the EU. It may be the case if you are a net beneficiary ( as opposed to being a contributor ) in countries such as Ireland or Poland but certainly not in the UK where we have always been net contributors. EU funding is simply a return of some of the money which we have already paid in. Think how much more efficient and cost effective if we simply organised these projects ourselves . How can adding an extra layer of bureaucracy assist anyone . ? We are simply recycling out own money . "
dear RRS (don't mind if i call you that)
I would have hoped that the post I put up would have helped you have some sort of understanding in how the EU helps you in your part of the world....
so let me ask you a question, hand on heart!
look at the list of things I put up, ask yourself if you think the UK government would have given that money if they had decided for themselves! |
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"Nope, it's EU money.
You can tell, because it comes from the EU.
And where did the EU get it in the first place?.....From the UK taxpayer, ergo it is UK taxpayers cash, not EU cash. What I cannot understand is why people refer to projects as being funded by the EU. It may be the case if you are a net beneficiary ( as opposed to being a contributor ) in countries such as Ireland or Poland but certainly not in the UK where we have always been net contributors. EU funding is simply a return of some of the money which we have already paid in. Think how much more efficient and cost effective if we simply organised these projects ourselves . How can adding an extra layer of bureaucracy assist anyone . ? We are simply recycling out own money . "
i get what your saying but there are area's of the country that have had to go to the EU for funding because Westminster has said no..
there is an imbalance in spending regionally and once we have left i seriously doubt that it will be addressed to the same level that some regions receive currently.. |
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There is the Commonwealth and the rest of the world to do trade with.
And therein the sheer delusional fantasy of Brexit....
I will never go to my local shop because it is infinitely more sensible to drive 50 miles to another shop that is owned by a guy that I used to go to school with. He will definitely give me a discount because I actually owned him at school - he was my bitch and j am sure he likes me now and has never stopped loving me really."
agreed..
that a producer is going to cut their delivery costs in getting their produce further just because they have a historical link is patent nonsense..
maybe some on here think that the workers in these countries may take a cut in their salaries for the honour of supplying us but in reality it will be the person at the till buying it who will be taking the hit.. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"If being outside the EU works out worse for us in the long term, it will be "told you so" by the remain camp. If it turns out better for us, the remain camp will say there is no way we could have known.
We have to make it work. Bitching about who was right or wrong doesn't help.
Did I rob my children of the right to work anywhere in the EU? Probably.
Do they want to work anywhere im the EU? No.
There is the Commonwealth and the rest of the world to do trade with.
common sense.
Common sense now just seems to mean that you believe and have faith that something is true without evidence of any kind. It's just religion.
We don't have to "make it work". That's a false premise. We can stay. We can join EFTA.
I notice that you chose not to answer my two simple questions.
I find you hard work, that's why
For point two i have already indirectly answered that prior to your question!"
Shouldn't require any hard work. It was carefully considered before the vote surely
The second response must have been very indirect... |
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