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Would you vote stay or leave, from the EU, if any definitively linked financial losses to the UK for 10 years or so afterwards were in part charged to you?
How would you vote if you were forced to take financial responsibility for voting leave, for example, if long term financial damage is caused to the country? |
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over a year ago
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There's £100 in the pot but three people are taking out £99 leaving £1 for the other 47 people.
Next year the pot reduces to £97 but the 47 now share £3 out between them instead of £1.
The three people now only grab £94..... That's their best hope  |
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Yep, I would still vote out. Fact is until we are forced to confront the truth that our problems are of our own making and not the EU's then there will always be the tory/kipper little Englanders like Farage here looking to abrogate responsibility for their choices and the longer we go without making them face the truth that the empire is gone and we are a weak little nation with a gutted paper tiger of a military and an economy owned and run for the benefit of foreign powers then the harder the fall when we leave the security of the EU will be.
Hopefully there will enough of our economy left and May and her cronies will not have so alienated the other members of the EU that after 5 or 10 years in the wilderness they will allow us to rejoin the club. But personally I think the Eurosceptics of the Conservative right are driving the present push towards the hardest of hard brexits knowing that such an exit from the EU will make it extremely unlikely that we can ever rejoin. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
I would still vote out because I am not a person that gives up when a problem happens,brexit is an opportunity not a problem it is what we make of it.
I fear a Corbyn government far more then brexit,he would ruin the country wheather in or out of the EU.
Being in the EU does not guarantee success you only have to look at Greece,Spain,Portugal,Italy etc.What makes a nation work is the people and good government helps but we do not have that sadly. |
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"I would still vote out because I am not a person that gives up when a problem happens,brexit is an opportunity not a problem it is what we make of it.
I fear a Corbyn government far more then brexit,he would ruin the country wheather in or out of the EU.
Being in the EU does not guarantee success you only have to look at Greece,Spain,Portugal,Italy etc.What makes a nation work is the people and good government helps but we do not have that sadly."
So no limits to the financial liabilities that you open yourself up to. Seems perfectly reasonable. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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Maybe it should be the case for general elections as well.
All those who voted for Thatcher should pay for the decimation of our coal industry. All those who didn't (and think we should still have a coal industry) should pay for the damage to the environment.
All those who voted Labour should pay for the decimation of our gold reserves and pensions.
All those who voted for liberal in 2010 should pay for the austerity that they helped bring by agreeing to a coalition government.
All those who voted against the Tories in 2015, knowing that Labour would not get in, and leaving the government in a weaker position for negotiating Brexit ; should pay for any divorce bill.
Before everyone jumps in, this is meant lightheartedly.
Having said that, why should the people who vote be held to account for governments? There should be some way of holding our governments, parties, and induviduals to account. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Maybe it should be the case for general elections as well.
All those who voted for Thatcher should pay for the decimation of our coal industry. All those who didn't (and think we should still have a coal industry) should pay for the damage to the environment.
All those who voted Labour should pay for the decimation of our gold reserves and pensions.
All those who voted for liberal in 2010 should pay for the austerity that they helped bring by agreeing to a coalition government.
All those who voted against the Tories in 2015, knowing that Labour would not get in, and leaving the government in a weaker position for negotiating Brexit ; should pay for any divorce bill.
Before everyone jumps in, this is meant lightheartedly.
Having said that, why should the people who vote be held to account for governments? There should be some way of holding our governments, parties, and induviduals to account. "
It's almost as if we should have a system in which before the election, each party tells us what they are going to spend, and then when we elect them, we all have to pay some money towards it.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Maybe it should be the case for general elections as well.
All those who voted for Thatcher should pay for the decimation of our coal industry. All those who didn't (and think we should still have a coal industry) should pay for the damage to the environment.
All those who voted Labour should pay for the decimation of our gold reserves and pensions.
All those who voted for liberal in 2010 should pay for the austerity that they helped bring by agreeing to a coalition government.
All those who voted against the Tories in 2015, knowing that Labour would not get in, and leaving the government in a weaker position for negotiating Brexit ; should pay for any divorce bill.
Before everyone jumps in, this is meant lightheartedly.
Having said that, why should the people who vote be held to account for governments? There should be some way of holding our governments, parties, and induviduals to account.
It's almost as if we should have a system in which before the election, each party tells us what they are going to spend, and then when we elect them, we all have to pay some money towards it. "
Or maybe if they just told the truth |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"I would still vote out because I am not a person that gives up when a problem happens,brexit is an opportunity not a problem it is what we make of it.
I fear a Corbyn government far more then brexit,he would ruin the country wheather in or out of the EU.
Being in the EU does not guarantee success you only have to look at Greece,Spain,Portugal,Italy etc.What makes a nation work is the people and good government helps but we do not have that sadly.
So no limits to the financial liabilities that you open yourself up to. Seems perfectly reasonable. "
Would you py for Corbyn destroying your country?It is silly talk |
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"I would still vote out because I am not a person that gives up when a problem happens,brexit is an opportunity not a problem it is what we make of it.
I fear a Corbyn government far more then brexit,he would ruin the country wheather in or out of the EU.
Being in the EU does not guarantee success you only have to look at Greece,Spain,Portugal,Italy etc.What makes a nation work is the people and good government helps but we do not have that sadly.
So no limits to the financial liabilities that you open yourself up to. Seems perfectly reasonable. Would you py for Corbyn destroying your country?It is silly talk"
I think I'd be willing to pay honestly, having made an upfront commitment towards something, rather than glibly rushing in to vote for something that I didn't understand. I think obligations and responsibilities are important aspects of well run societies. |
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By *oubepoMan
over a year ago
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"Would you vote stay or leave, from the EU, if any definitively linked financial losses to the UK for 10 years or so afterwards were in part charged to you?
How would you vote if you were forced to take financial responsibility for voting leave, for example, if long term financial damage is caused to the country? "
What if the long term result of Brexit is a financial success? Should your leave voters be entitled to a bonus in 10 years time?
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"Pretty much everyone pays for everything already, so no biggie."
The poorer pay disproportionately more tax from their incomes, so ultimately it will be these who would lose out, if Brexit causes economic catastrophe.
Wrt voter accountability, there would need to be an additional obligation to submit identification, national insurance details etc.
If people were to become liable for losses, say up to £10,000 per person, people would be more demanding potentially , of the facts and data provided to them before voting. Politicians could also be forced to have a levy staked upon their pensions and total wealth, that would be at significantly higher tariffs to voters, say £250,000. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"Pretty much everyone pays for everything already, so no biggie.
The poorer pay disproportionately more tax from their incomes, so ultimately it will be these who would lose out, if Brexit causes economic catastrophe.
Wrt voter accountability, there would need to be an additional obligation to submit identification, national insurance details etc.
If people were to become liable for losses, say up to £10,000 per person, people would be more demanding potentially , of the facts and data provided to them before voting. Politicians could also be forced to have a levy staked upon their pensions and total wealth, that would be at significantly higher tariffs to voters, say £250,000."
Wait a minute! Wasn't it the 'poorer, thicker people' who mainly voted for Brexit? ! |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Pretty much everyone pays for everything already, so no biggie.
The poorer pay disproportionately more tax from their incomes, so ultimately it will be these who would lose out, if Brexit causes economic catastrophe.
Wrt voter accountability, there would need to be an additional obligation to submit identification, national insurance details etc.
If people were to become liable for losses, say up to £10,000 per person, people would be more demanding potentially , of the facts and data provided to them before voting. Politicians could also be forced to have a levy staked upon their pensions and total wealth, that would be at significantly higher tariffs to voters, say £250,000.
Wait a minute! Wasn't it the 'poorer, thicker people' who mainly voted for Brexit? !"
But was it poor thick people telling them to vote for it? Or was it the millionaires? |
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By *oubepoMan
over a year ago
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Forgive me - I'm just an outsider looking in but let's get this right
The Leave campaign and their supporters - made up of old, poor, thick, rascist people out-witted, out-thought, out-smarted, out manoeuvred outfought the Remain campaign? Plus the establishment, the media, the big businesses, the City, the banks, the young smart intelligent people, the middle class, the intellectual elite and the likes of Stephen Hawkins, David Cameron, Barack Obama and the entire EU?
Seems like your old thick people might have something you could learn from? Lol
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Forgive me - I'm just an outsider looking in but let's get this right
The Leave campaign and their supporters - made up of old, poor, thick, rascist people out-witted, out-thought, out-smarted, out manoeuvred outfought the Remain campaign? Plus the establishment, the media, the big businesses, the City, the banks, the young smart intelligent people, the middle class, the intellectual elite and the likes of Stephen Hawkins, David Cameron, Barack Obama and the entire EU?
Seems like your old thick people might have something you could learn from? Lol
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Who has said that the leave campaign was run by thick poor people? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Forgive me - I'm just an outsider looking in but let's get this right
The Leave campaign and their supporters - made up of old, poor, thick, rascist people out-witted, out-thought, out-smarted, out manoeuvred outfought the Remain campaign? Plus the establishment, the media, the big businesses, the City, the banks, the young smart intelligent people, the middle class, the intellectual elite and the likes of Stephen Hawkins, David Cameron, Barack Obama and the entire EU?
Seems like your old thick people might have something you could learn from? Lol
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In an ageing population the grey vote can win elections and the oldies rarely find a fuck to give about the future because the grim reaper is stalking them.
If labour really wants to win they should give away free jig saws and reduce vat on conservatories for the elderly.  |
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"Pretty much everyone pays for everything already, so no biggie.
The poorer pay disproportionately more tax from their incomes, so ultimately it will be these who would lose out, if Brexit causes economic catastrophe.
Wrt voter accountability, there would need to be an additional obligation to submit identification, national insurance details etc.
If people were to become liable for losses, say up to £10,000 per person, people would be more demanding potentially , of the facts and data provided to them before voting. Politicians could also be forced to have a levy staked upon their pensions and total wealth, that would be at significantly higher tariffs to voters, say £250,000.
Wait a minute! Wasn't it the 'poorer, thicker people' who mainly voted for Brexit? !
But was it poor thick people telling them to vote for it? Or was it the millionaires? "
The vast majority of your "millionaires".... Big business interests, the majority of the top of ALL the main political parties, the banks etc campaigned for remain....it was in their interests to do so as they could play the cheap labour system and line their fat pockets even more...so you are way off target there. Couldn't be more wrong!
To return to the OPs point. "Should we have to pay if it costs the country?" ... Don't think we will have much choice!
On the other hand...will we benefit if it turns out to be better? Or will the fat cats etc. just find different ways of playing the system? |
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"Pretty much everyone pays for everything already, so no biggie.
The poorer pay disproportionately more tax from their incomes, so ultimately it will be these who would lose out, if Brexit causes economic catastrophe.
Wrt voter accountability, there would need to be an additional obligation to submit identification, national insurance details etc.
If people were to become liable for losses, say up to £10,000 per person, people would be more demanding potentially , of the facts and data provided to them before voting. Politicians could also be forced to have a levy staked upon their pensions and total wealth, that would be at significantly higher tariffs to voters, say £250,000.
Wait a minute! Wasn't it the 'poorer, thicker people' who mainly voted for Brexit? !
But was it poor thick people telling them to vote for it? Or was it the millionaires?
The vast majority of your "millionaires".... Big business interests, the majority of the top of ALL the main political parties, the banks etc campaigned for remain....it was in their interests to do so as they could play the cheap labour system and line their fat pockets even more...so you are way off target there. Couldn't be more wrong!
To return to the OPs point. "Should we have to pay if it costs the country?" ... Don't think we will have much choice!
On the other hand...will we benefit if it turns out to be better? Or will the fat cats etc. just find different ways of playing the system?"
Whichever way it goes, I'd not assume that great financial benefits will head in any direction but to the enormously wealthy - who will likely send it in the direction of tax havens overseas.
The thread was open to see how many would stake a financial sum if they were to vote in the stay or leave referendum today. I think 1 person said yes as an exiter but then backtracked. An eery silence from Brexiters  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Lots of assumptions in the question so here is another question with some assumptions:
If the calculation showed that if we voted out and we actually had more money because we didn't have to pay into Europe to prop up their agriculture policies and we got trade deal internationally should voters be given the money back to send as voters want but people who voted to stay in don't get any money? |
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"Pretty much everyone pays for everything already, so no biggie.
The poorer pay disproportionately more tax from their incomes, so ultimately it will be these who would lose out, if Brexit causes economic catastrophe.
Wrt voter accountability, there would need to be an additional obligation to submit identification, national insurance details etc.
If people were to become liable for losses, say up to £10,000 per person, people would be more demanding potentially , of the facts and data provided to them before voting. Politicians could also be forced to have a levy staked upon their pensions and total wealth, that would be at significantly higher tariffs to voters, say £250,000.
Wait a minute! Wasn't it the 'poorer, thicker people' who mainly voted for Brexit? !
But was it poor thick people telling them to vote for it? Or was it the millionaires?
The vast majority of your "millionaires".... Big business interests, the majority of the top of ALL the main political parties, the banks etc campaigned for remain....it was in their interests to do so as they could play the cheap labour system and line their fat pockets even more...so you are way off target there. Couldn't be more wrong!
To return to the OPs point. "Should we have to pay if it costs the country?" ... Don't think we will have much choice!
On the other hand...will we benefit if it turns out to be better? Or will the fat cats etc. just find different ways of playing the system?
Whichever way it goes, I'd not assume that great financial benefits will head in any direction but to the enormously wealthy - who will likely send it in the direction of tax havens overseas.
The thread was open to see how many would stake a financial sum if they were to vote in the stay or leave referendum today. I think 1 person said yes as an exiter but then backtracked. An eery silence from Brexiters "
What eerie silence? You've already had plenty of answers from people who voted Leave on this thread. I voted leave and would do so again in a heartbeat if there was another vote. I'm did put myself out of pocket to begin with because I donated £100 of my own money to the vote leave campaign. You don't get anywhere in life without taking risks though and I made my money back with extra to spare on top because I bet on leave winning the referendum against the odds. Now I know you are a Labour supporter OP would you vote for a far left Corbyn Labour government knowing it would put this country in a far worse financial state and would you be willing to take a personal hit in your own pocket for it? Someone else already asked but you seem to be dodging the question.  |
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"Pretty much everyone pays for everything already, so no biggie.
The poorer pay disproportionately more tax from their incomes, so ultimately it will be these who would lose out, if Brexit causes economic catastrophe.
Wrt voter accountability, there would need to be an additional obligation to submit identification, national insurance details etc.
If people were to become liable for losses, say up to £10,000 per person, people would be more demanding potentially , of the facts and data provided to them before voting. Politicians could also be forced to have a levy staked upon their pensions and total wealth, that would be at significantly higher tariffs to voters, say £250,000."
I'm not sure of that is true (and if we ignore the mega wealthy for sake of argument..let's just keep it to salaried people)
I'm speaking about in Ireland but I don't think it's too dissimilar. Our tax system is progressive and the poor pay a much lower percentage of the income in tax compared to someone of a high salary.
Hint hint tax brackets where you don't pay a higher rate until you earn greater than X and tax allowances that are the same for all.
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Barriers to voting are a bad idea, and this would just help keep people away from the polls, especially the poor.
Besides, if this brexit madness isn't stopped, people who voted leave be suffering financially along with everyone else.
Or experiencing an overabundance of opportunity, as they might like to spin it. |
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"Pretty much everyone pays for everything already, so no biggie.
The poorer pay disproportionately more tax from their incomes, so ultimately it will be these who would lose out, if Brexit causes economic catastrophe.
Wrt voter accountability, there would need to be an additional obligation to submit identification, national insurance details etc.
If people were to become liable for losses, say up to £10,000 per person, people would be more demanding potentially , of the facts and data provided to them before voting. Politicians could also be forced to have a levy staked upon their pensions and total wealth, that would be at significantly higher tariffs to voters, say £250,000.
Wait a minute! Wasn't it the 'poorer, thicker people' who mainly voted for Brexit? !
But was it poor thick people telling them to vote for it? Or was it the millionaires?
The vast majority of your "millionaires".... Big business interests, the majority of the top of ALL the main political parties, the banks etc campaigned for remain....it was in their interests to do so as they could play the cheap labour system and line their fat pockets even more...so you are way off target there. Couldn't be more wrong!
To return to the OPs point. "Should we have to pay if it costs the country?" ... Don't think we will have much choice!
On the other hand...will we benefit if it turns out to be better? Or will the fat cats etc. just find different ways of playing the system?
Whichever way it goes, I'd not assume that great financial benefits will head in any direction but to the enormously wealthy - who will likely send it in the direction of tax havens overseas.
The thread was open to see how many would stake a financial sum if they were to vote in the stay or leave referendum today. I think 1 person said yes as an exiter but then backtracked. An eery silence from Brexiters
What eerie silence? You've already had plenty of answers from people who voted Leave on this thread. I voted leave and would do so again in a heartbeat if there was another vote. I'm did put myself out of pocket to begin with because I donated £100 of my own money to the vote leave campaign. You don't get anywhere in life without taking risks though and I made my money back with extra to spare on top because I bet on leave winning the referendum against the odds. Now I know you are a Labour supporter OP would you vote for a far left Corbyn Labour government knowing it would put this country in a far worse financial state and would you be willing to take a personal hit in your own pocket for it? Someone else already asked but you seem to be dodging the question. "
Your question on labor and Corbyn - although he has some very commendable qualities, isn't relevant due to my likely preferred party - but I would consider it for whoever my party of choice is at that point. Always happy to put my money behind my beliefs.
I agree with the poster from Montreal, that having avoidable barriers to voting isn't a great thing, due to deterrence.
In this instance, it's hypothetical - I'm not campaigning for this change
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