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If this does end with Britain crashing out of the EU with no deal then this is more than a humiliating failure from the Tories. Its abdictation of duty.
Apart from the Tory cheerleaders who dont really understand Brexit its clear to everyone that the problems with negotiations are rooted in the fact that the Tory cabinet and government cant get their act together to agree on what their positions are. Theyre undisciplined, childish and constantly play out these disagreements in the press. This not only undermines the prime minister, but the government and the party and the countries negotiating position.
May and her cabinet are ensuring that the effects of Brexit are going to be brutal. If either Corbyn or May were real leaders who wanted what was best for the country they'd form a grand coalition and negotiate as a unified unit so that a platform could be agreed and negotiated on. |
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over a year ago
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"The number 2 in the country thinks its a possibility that flights might stop. That is pretty serious. "
You have to wonder why they'd volunteer that information?
If it's a calculated move, then to what end.
If it's an off the cuff remark, what in the name of Christ is wrong with you, have you never heard of message discipline. |
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By *ilk_TreMan
over a year ago
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"The number 2 in the country thinks its a possibility that flights might stop. That is pretty serious.
Possible but improbable.
At this stage, how about in 6m time? 12m? "
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"The number 2 in the country thinks its a possibility that flights might stop. That is pretty serious.
You have to wonder why they'd volunteer that information?
If it's a calculated move, then to what end.
If it's an off the cuff remark, what in the name of Christ is wrong with you, have you never heard of message discipline."
Its been pointed out before that no deal could see British flights grounded.
And message discipline from this Tory government? Youre asking a lot there. |
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"The number 2 in the country thinks its a possibility that flights might stop. That is pretty serious.
You have to wonder why they'd volunteer that information?
If it's a calculated move, then to what end.
If it's an off the cuff remark, what in the name of Christ is wrong with you, have you never heard of message discipline.
Its been pointed out before that no deal could see British flights grounded.
And message discipline from this Tory government? Youre asking a lot there."
And if they can't manage that, how are they supposed to navigate the complicated waters of disentangling the UK from the EU and negotiating favourable exit terms? |
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"The number 2 in the country thinks its a possibility that flights might stop. That is pretty serious.
They're stopping already.
O'leary did warn that Brexit would stop Ryanair flying!"
Not to mention that Ryan air is a shite employer that people only work for until they gain the experience to be able to move to other better airlines 
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"The number 2 in the country thinks its a possibility that flights might stop. That is pretty serious.
They're stopping already.
O'leary did warn that Brexit would stop Ryanair flying!"
Oh all flights stopped so how do we get home from our holidays? ???
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The Maybot does not get it. She is an authoritarian daughter of a vicar, she was brought up believing in an absolute power and has consistently applied that rule to her life. When she is in power it is her way or no way. Soon we will all get to understand what happens when a supposedly unstoppable force comes off the rails when it discovers that the immovable object in it's path is the real thing.
I predict this country is on its way to bankruptcy and that the US financial sharks are already planning exactly how to feast on our tory inspired and driven misfortune. |
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"The Maybot does not get it. She is an authoritarian daughter of a vicar, she was brought up believing in an absolute power and has consistently applied that rule to her life. When she is in power it is her way or no way. Soon we will all get to understand what happens when a supposedly unstoppable force comes off the rails when it discovers that the immovable object in it's path is the real thing.
I predict this country is on its way to bankruptcy and that the US financial sharks are already planning exactly how to feast on our tory inspired and driven misfortune."
I totally agree with you may and her government will bankrupt us |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"The number 2 in the country thinks its a possibility that flights might stop. That is pretty serious.
They're stopping already.
O'leary did warn that Brexit would stop Ryanair flying!Oh all flights stopped so how do we get home from our holidays? ???
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Yeah, because it's not like their bosses will mind if they stay on holiday longer. You know, like if you are in a car accident that day and someone has to tell you will have to wait until tomorrow or the next day until the fireman can cut you out of the car because he is stuck in Greece. And I'm sure you wont mind paying a bit of extra tax to make up for the tens of thousands of people who would be affected from pilots to ground crew, immigration, security, catering, shop staff, taxi drivers, hoteliers etc. I'm sure you wont mind taking a week off to look after your kids as well because their teacher is stuck in Spain, or working twice as hard to cover for a colleague who also can't get back. Or maybe, just maybe, you haven't considered all of the possible ramifications? |
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Well we (the nation) could adopt a 1970's idea "Backing Britain" it was called then, but we could modernize it to " Britain First"?
The nation holidays at home helping UK holiday industry thrive, provide UK jobs for British citizens. Buy British cars - none of this imported stuff. Vauxhall the car of the nation - backing our football team who are going to win the world cup - providing we can avoid Iceland. Buying only British will keep all the wealth in the UK - win win situation surely? |
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"Well we (the nation) could adopt a 1970's idea "Backing Britain" it was called then, but we could modernize it to " Britain First"?
The nation holidays at home helping UK holiday industry thrive, provide UK jobs for British citizens. Buy British cars - none of this imported stuff. Vauxhall the car of the nation - backing our football team who are going to win the world cup - providing we can avoid Iceland. Buying only British will keep all the wealth in the UK - win win situation surely? "
Really?
What tripe!
And just to prove my point name a British car manufacturer who builds affordable vehicles. Hint, the beast does not exist. |
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"Well we (the nation) could adopt a 1970's idea "Backing Britain" it was called then, but we could modernize it to " Britain First"?
The nation holidays at home helping UK holiday industry thrive, provide UK jobs for British citizens. Buy British cars - none of this imported stuff. Vauxhall the car of the nation - backing our football team who are going to win the world cup - providing we can avoid Iceland. Buying only British will keep all the wealth in the UK - win win situation surely?
Really?
What tripe!
And just to prove my point name a British car manufacturer who builds affordable vehicles. Hint, the beast does not exist."
It's just a theoretical point I was making. Once upon a time UK was the 2nd biggest motor manufacturer in the world. Once upon a time we were the biggest motorcycle manufacturer in the world. We could do it again - couldn't we? Just think new factories, employment, tax revenues it's a win win? We have to look at the propaganda posters of WW2 "Your country needs you - to buy British". Just cater for the home market and stop importing foreign goods? |
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"It's just a theoretical point I was making. Once upon a time UK was the 2nd biggest motor manufacturer in the world. Once upon a time we were the biggest motorcycle manufacturer in the world. We could do it again - couldn't we? Just think new factories, employment, tax revenues it's a win win? We have to look at the propaganda posters of WW2 "Your country needs you - to buy British". Just cater for the home market and stop importing foreign goods?"
Don't you get it?
It is not a theoretical point, it is a totally fantastical point. There is no British mass market motor vehicle (or any other for that matter) manufacturing industry but you are helping perpetuate the myth that Japanese, US, German (or any other countries) company that sets up a production facility in the UK is British. It is not! It is an overseas production facility of a foreign powers economic base. Its profits are channelled back to that foreign power and the its tax revenues to this country are mitigated to the maximum by use of accounting tools like subsidiary bursaries to the parent company and licencing of copyrighted ideas and patented processes to reduce tax liabilities in the country where the production facility is (that's most of our production industry!)!!!
WE ARE FUCKED!
THATCHER FUCKED US!
Wake up Britain! Smell the shit we are drowning in and start swimming before it is too late! |
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"It's just a theoretical point I was making. Once upon a time UK was the 2nd biggest motor manufacturer in the world. Once upon a time we were the biggest motorcycle manufacturer in the world. We could do it again - couldn't we? Just think new factories, employment, tax revenues it's a win win? We have to look at the propaganda posters of WW2 "Your country needs you - to buy British". Just cater for the home market and stop importing foreign goods?
Don't you get it?
It is not a theoretical point, it is a totally fantastical point. There is no British mass market motor vehicle (or any other for that matter) manufacturing industry but you are helping perpetuate the myth that Japanese, US, German (or any other countries) company that sets up a production facility in the UK is British. It is not! It is an overseas production facility of a foreign powers economic base. Its profits are channelled back to that foreign power and the its tax revenues to this country are mitigated to the maximum by use of accounting tools like subsidiary bursaries to the parent company and licencing of copyrighted ideas and patented processes to reduce tax liabilities in the country where the production facility is (that's most of our production industry!)!!!
WE ARE FUCKED!
THATCHER FUCKED US!
Wake up Britain! Smell the shit we are drowning in and start swimming before it is too late!"
Yes I understand what your saying. BUT why can't Great Britain change and take back control and get back what we lost? We did it once before why can't we do it again? We will have £350m a week to plough back into the British economy. Dyson is going to do great things, electric cars he surely will build them in the UK? In fact of he brought back the manufacturing of his other products to the UK how many jobs would that create. Surely he could support his country and set an example to other industrialists - Yes it would cost more but the country would benefit greatly? |
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"It's just a theoretical point I was making. Once upon a time UK was the 2nd biggest motor manufacturer in the world. Once upon a time we were the biggest motorcycle manufacturer in the world. We could do it again - couldn't we? Just think new factories, employment, tax revenues it's a win win? We have to look at the propaganda posters of WW2 "Your country needs you - to buy British". Just cater for the home market and stop importing foreign goods?
Don't you get it?
It is not a theoretical point, it is a totally fantastical point. There is no British mass market motor vehicle (or any other for that matter) manufacturing industry but you are helping perpetuate the myth that Japanese, US, German (or any other countries) company that sets up a production facility in the UK is British. It is not! It is an overseas production facility of a foreign powers economic base. Its profits are channelled back to that foreign power and the its tax revenues to this country are mitigated to the maximum by use of accounting tools like subsidiary bursaries to the parent company and licencing of copyrighted ideas and patented processes to reduce tax liabilities in the country where the production facility is (that's most of our production industry!)!!!
WE ARE FUCKED!
THATCHER FUCKED US!
Wake up Britain! Smell the shit we are drowning in and start swimming before it is too late!
Yes I understand what your saying. BUT why can't Great Britain change and take back control and get back what we lost? We did it once before why can't we do it again? We will have £350m a week to plough back into the British economy. Dyson is going to do great things, electric cars he surely will build them in the UK? In fact of he brought back the manufacturing of his other products to the UK how many jobs would that create. Surely he could support his country and set an example to other industrialists - Yes it would cost more but the country would benefit greatly?"
350m were you finding that from ? |
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"It's just a theoretical point I was making. Once upon a time UK was the 2nd biggest motor manufacturer in the world. Once upon a time we were the biggest motorcycle manufacturer in the world. We could do it again - couldn't we? Just think new factories, employment, tax revenues it's a win win? We have to look at the propaganda posters of WW2 "Your country needs you - to buy British". Just cater for the home market and stop importing foreign goods?
Don't you get it?
It is not a theoretical point, it is a totally fantastical point. There is no British mass market motor vehicle (or any other for that matter) manufacturing industry but you are helping perpetuate the myth that Japanese, US, German (or any other countries) company that sets up a production facility in the UK is British. It is not! It is an overseas production facility of a foreign powers economic base. Its profits are channelled back to that foreign power and the its tax revenues to this country are mitigated to the maximum by use of accounting tools like subsidiary bursaries to the parent company and licencing of copyrighted ideas and patented processes to reduce tax liabilities in the country where the production facility is (that's most of our production industry!)!!!
WE ARE FUCKED!
THATCHER FUCKED US!
Wake up Britain! Smell the shit we are drowning in and start swimming before it is too late!
Yes I understand what your saying. BUT why can't Great Britain change and take back control and get back what we lost? We did it once before why can't we do it again? We will have £350m a week to plough back into the British economy. Dyson is going to do great things, electric cars he surely will build them in the UK? In fact of he brought back the manufacturing of his other products to the UK how many jobs would that create. Surely he could support his country and set an example to other industrialists - Yes it would cost more but the country would benefit greatly?
350m were you finding that from ?"
La La land!
But I am sure any shortfall will be topped up by Boris!
All joking aside - seriously if we could start being manufacturer's again instead of shopkeepers, it may work? |
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" We will have £350m a week to plough back into the British economy.
Christ almighty, no we won't!
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but ... but ... but that's earmarked for the nhs ... it was written on the side of a bus!!!! |
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"It's just a theoretical point I was making. Once upon a time UK was the 2nd biggest motor manufacturer in the world. Once upon a time we were the biggest motorcycle manufacturer in the world. We could do it again - couldn't we? Just think new factories, employment, tax revenues it's a win win? We have to look at the propaganda posters of WW2 "Your country needs you - to buy British". Just cater for the home market and stop importing foreign goods?
Don't you get it?
It is not a theoretical point, it is a totally fantastical point. There is no British mass market motor vehicle (or any other for that matter) manufacturing industry but you are helping perpetuate the myth that Japanese, US, German (or any other countries) company that sets up a production facility in the UK is British. It is not! It is an overseas production facility of a foreign powers economic base. Its profits are channelled back to that foreign power and the its tax revenues to this country are mitigated to the maximum by use of accounting tools like subsidiary bursaries to the parent company and licencing of copyrighted ideas and patented processes to reduce tax liabilities in the country where the production facility is (that's most of our production industry!)!!!
WE ARE FUCKED!
THATCHER FUCKED US!
Wake up Britain! Smell the shit we are drowning in and start swimming before it is too late!
Yes I understand what your saying. BUT why can't Great Britain change and take back control and get back what we lost? We did it once before why can't we do it again? We will have £350m a week to plough back into the British economy. Dyson is going to do great things, electric cars he surely will build them in the UK? In fact of he brought back the manufacturing of his other products to the UK how many jobs would that create. Surely he could support his country and set an example to other industrialists - Yes it would cost more but the country would benefit greatly?"
Not a chance. What manufacturer would move back here when it would cost them so much. And we lack the cheap raw materials to keep all manufacturering in the UK. Besides that, insular economys stagnate. |
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"It's just a theoretical point I was making. Once upon a time UK was the 2nd biggest motor manufacturer in the world. Once upon a time we were the biggest motorcycle manufacturer in the world. We could do it again - couldn't we? Just think new factories, employment, tax revenues it's a win win? We have to look at the propaganda posters of WW2 "Your country needs you - to buy British". Just cater for the home market and stop importing foreign goods?
Don't you get it?
It is not a theoretical point, it is a totally fantastical point. There is no British mass market motor vehicle (or any other for that matter) manufacturing industry but you are helping perpetuate the myth that Japanese, US, German (or any other countries) company that sets up a production facility in the UK is British. It is not! It is an overseas production facility of a foreign powers economic base. Its profits are channelled back to that foreign power and the its tax revenues to this country are mitigated to the maximum by use of accounting tools like subsidiary bursaries to the parent company and licencing of copyrighted ideas and patented processes to reduce tax liabilities in the country where the production facility is (that's most of our production industry!)!!!
WE ARE FUCKED!
THATCHER FUCKED US!
Wake up Britain! Smell the shit we are drowning in and start swimming before it is too late!
Yes I understand what your saying. BUT why can't Great Britain change and take back control and get back what we lost? We did it once before why can't we do it again? We will have £350m a week to plough back into the British economy. Dyson is going to do great things, electric cars he surely will build them in the UK? In fact of he brought back the manufacturing of his other products to the UK how many jobs would that create. Surely he could support his country and set an example to other industrialists - Yes it would cost more but the country would benefit greatly?
350m were you finding that from ?
La La land!
But I am sure any shortfall will be topped up by Boris!
All joking aside - seriously if we could start being manufacturer's again instead of shopkeepers, it may work?"
It wont work because there are not enough investors or companies who are going to sacrifice their own wages, dividends and profits to help Britain through its self inflicted economic damage. And even if they did the shareholders would sack the board for doing it. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"It's just a theoretical point I was making. Once upon a time UK was the 2nd biggest motor manufacturer in the world. Once upon a time we were the biggest motorcycle manufacturer in the world. We could do it again - couldn't we? Just think new factories, employment, tax revenues it's a win win? We have to look at the propaganda posters of WW2 "Your country needs you - to buy British". Just cater for the home market and stop importing foreign goods?
Don't you get it?
It is not a theoretical point, it is a totally fantastical point. There is no British mass market motor vehicle (or any other for that matter) manufacturing industry but you are helping perpetuate the myth that Japanese, US, German (or any other countries) company that sets up a production facility in the UK is British. It is not! It is an overseas production facility of a foreign powers economic base. Its profits are channelled back to that foreign power and the its tax revenues to this country are mitigated to the maximum by use of accounting tools like subsidiary bursaries to the parent company and licencing of copyrighted ideas and patented processes to reduce tax liabilities in the country where the production facility is (that's most of our production industry!)!!!
WE ARE FUCKED!
THATCHER FUCKED US!
Wake up Britain! Smell the shit we are drowning in and start swimming before it is too late!
Yes I understand what your saying. BUT why can't Great Britain change and take back control and get back what we lost? We did it once before why can't we do it again? We will have £350m a week to plough back into the British economy. Dyson is going to do great things, electric cars he surely will build them in the UK? In fact of he brought back the manufacturing of his other products to the UK how many jobs would that create. Surely he could support his country and set an example to other industrialists - Yes it would cost more but the country would benefit greatly?
350m were you finding that from ?
La La land!
But I am sure any shortfall will be topped up by Boris!
All joking aside - seriously if we could start being manufacturer's again instead of shopkeepers, it may work?
It wont work because there are not enough investors or companies who are going to sacrifice their own wages, dividends and profits to help Britain through its self inflicted economic damage. And even if they did the shareholders would sack the board for doing it."
And we are pulling out of the European Investment Bank and the approx £8bn of investment per year that came with it. |
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"It's just a theoretical point I was making. Once upon a time UK was the 2nd biggest motor manufacturer in the world. Once upon a time we were the biggest motorcycle manufacturer in the world. We could do it again - couldn't we? Just think new factories, employment, tax revenues it's a win win? We have to look at the propaganda posters of WW2 "Your country needs you - to buy British". Just cater for the home market and stop importing foreign goods?
Don't you get it?
It is not a theoretical point, it is a totally fantastical point. There is no British mass market motor vehicle (or any other for that matter) manufacturing industry but you are helping perpetuate the myth that Japanese, US, German (or any other countries) company that sets up a production facility in the UK is British. It is not! It is an overseas production facility of a foreign powers economic base. Its profits are channelled back to that foreign power and the its tax revenues to this country are mitigated to the maximum by use of accounting tools like subsidiary bursaries to the parent company and licencing of copyrighted ideas and patented processes to reduce tax liabilities in the country where the production facility is (that's most of our production industry!)!!!
WE ARE FUCKED!
THATCHER FUCKED US!
Wake up Britain! Smell the shit we are drowning in and start swimming before it is too late!
Yes I understand what your saying. BUT why can't Great Britain change and take back control and get back what we lost? We did it once before why can't we do it again? We will have £350m a week to plough back into the British economy. Dyson is going to do great things, electric cars he surely will build them in the UK? In fact of he brought back the manufacturing of his other products to the UK how many jobs would that create. Surely he could support his country and set an example to other industrialists - Yes it would cost more but the country would benefit greatly?
350m were you finding that from ?
La La land!
But I am sure any shortfall will be topped up by Boris!
All joking aside - seriously if we could start being manufacturer's again instead of shopkeepers, it may work?
It wont work because there are not enough investors or companies who are going to sacrifice their own wages, dividends and profits to help Britain through its self inflicted economic damage. And even if they did the shareholders would sack the board for doing it.
And we are pulling out of the European Investment Bank and the approx £8bn of investment per year that came with it. "
So what's the future going to hold for our nation? We have been promised the "world is our oyster" senario surely it's all going to be alright on 29/3/19? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"It's just a theoretical point I was making. Once upon a time UK was the 2nd biggest motor manufacturer in the world. Once upon a time we were the biggest motorcycle manufacturer in the world. We could do it again - couldn't we? Just think new factories, employment, tax revenues it's a win win? We have to look at the propaganda posters of WW2 "Your country needs you - to buy British". Just cater for the home market and stop importing foreign goods?
Don't you get it?
It is not a theoretical point, it is a totally fantastical point. There is no British mass market motor vehicle (or any other for that matter) manufacturing industry but you are helping perpetuate the myth that Japanese, US, German (or any other countries) company that sets up a production facility in the UK is British. It is not! It is an overseas production facility of a foreign powers economic base. Its profits are channelled back to that foreign power and the its tax revenues to this country are mitigated to the maximum by use of accounting tools like subsidiary bursaries to the parent company and licencing of copyrighted ideas and patented processes to reduce tax liabilities in the country where the production facility is (that's most of our production industry!)!!!
WE ARE FUCKED!
THATCHER FUCKED US!
Wake up Britain! Smell the shit we are drowning in and start swimming before it is too late!
Yes I understand what your saying. BUT why can't Great Britain change and take back control and get back what we lost? We did it once before why can't we do it again? We will have £350m a week to plough back into the British economy. Dyson is going to do great things, electric cars he surely will build them in the UK? In fact of he brought back the manufacturing of his other products to the UK how many jobs would that create. Surely he could support his country and set an example to other industrialists - Yes it would cost more but the country would benefit greatly?
350m were you finding that from ?
La La land!
But I am sure any shortfall will be topped up by Boris!
All joking aside - seriously if we could start being manufacturer's again instead of shopkeepers, it may work?
It wont work because there are not enough investors or companies who are going to sacrifice their own wages, dividends and profits to help Britain through its self inflicted economic damage. And even if they did the shareholders would sack the board for doing it.
And we are pulling out of the European Investment Bank and the approx £8bn of investment per year that came with it. "
Is that the bank where we contributed 16% of the capital, in return for 8% investment? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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re: flights...
Flights won't stop as such.... but as off 1/apr/19. until there is some sort of new "open skies" agreement put in place, you won't know how much a flight is going to cost, and what planes are going to able to fly, because costs for using EU airspace won't be agree (well they will but it will be more expensive than the Nothing they pay at the moment....) more importantly we won't know how many "flight paths the eu will allow for non-eu carriers over their airspace, bearing in mind EU carries will get priority of those slots.... which is another reason why planes and crews are going to be based in the EU rather than uk....
hubs like for example, stansted, luton and gatwick would be the most effected, but it will have knock on effect for a lot of regional airports..... |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"May be,just may be it's the EU who is trying for the no deal,just a thought. Everyone is quick to point the finger at the government and not the EU."
i hate to break this to you, because i know there are a lot of people who thing that they need us more than we need them, but if there is no deal... we will be hurt by it a lot more than they will!!!
nah.... there are a ton of hardline leavers in the tory party (and the likes of farage and leave.eu) that want the no deal "just leave " brexit...... i think they secretly fear that in the run up fto leaving, because more and more people will be accutely away of what that actually involves... the scream for a 2nd referendum will get louder and louder....
I think they don't believe they would win a ref 2 if people actually know how it would effect them....... |
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"May be,just may be it's the EU who is trying for the no deal,just a thought. Everyone is quick to point the finger at the government and not the EU.
i hate to break this to you, because i know there are a lot of people who thing that they need us more than we need them, but if there is no deal... we will be hurt by it a lot more than they will!!!
nah.... there are a ton of hardline leavers in the tory party (and the likes of farage and leave.eu) that want the no deal "just leave " brexit...... i think they secretly fear that in the run up fto leaving, because more and more people will be accutely away of what that actually involves... the scream for a 2nd referendum will get louder and louder....
I think they don't believe they would win a ref 2 if people actually know how it would effect them......."
I know that a lot of people dissagree with another referendum but as I see it there is a lot more info out now and a lot of lies from both sides expossed.
Also it would be interesting to see if all of the moaners that did not bother to even get out and vote actually get off thier asses and do it thsi time.
far too many people just could not be assed! many of them were the so called 18-24yr olds.
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think they probably realize over there by now that a no deal will drop everyone in Europe into an almighty recession and will seek to avoid that. It looks as if there might be a bit of a concession coming regards trading arrangements after we leave in exchange for 20 Billion quid which is virtually our contribution for 2 years after Brexit anyway.
In those 2 years we would seek to be allowed to make our own free trade deals and then toddle off on our own in exchange for access to single market for those 2 years.
To be honest it sounds like a deal could be in the offing after the usual Bluff and counter bluff that goes on in a game of poker. I do hope so as the alternative is very bleak in my opinion.
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"I think they probably realize over there by now that a no deal will drop everyone in Europe into an almighty recession and will seek to avoid that. It looks as if there might be a bit of a concession coming regards trading arrangements after we leave in exchange for 20 Billion quid which is virtually our contribution for 2 years after Brexit anyway.
In those 2 years we would seek to be allowed to make our own free trade deals and then toddle off on our own in exchange for access to single market for those 2 years.
To be honest it sounds like a deal could be in the offing after the usual Bluff and counter bluff that goes on in a game of poker. I do hope so as the alternative is very bleak in my opinion.
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What do you you base these assumptions on that the EU will go into a recession if we leave without any deal ? |
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over a year ago
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"I think they probably realize over there by now that a no deal will drop everyone in Europe into an almighty recession and will seek to avoid that. It looks as if there might be a bit of a concession coming regards trading arrangements after we leave in exchange for 20 Billion quid which is virtually our contribution for 2 years after Brexit anyway.
In those 2 years we would seek to be allowed to make our own free trade deals and then toddle off on our own in exchange for access to single market for those 2 years.
To be honest it sounds like a deal could be in the offing after the usual Bluff and counter bluff that goes on in a game of poker. I do hope so as the alternative is very bleak in my opinion.
What do you you base these assumptions on that the EU will go into a recession if we leave without any deal ?"
.... the standard wild surmise |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Coz that's what usually happens if there is chaos in markets. It's an X factor. Nobody knows what's going to happen. Is it worth experimenting with millions of peoples lives. I don't think is is tbh. |
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"Coz that's what usually happens if there is chaos in markets. It's an X factor. Nobody knows what's going to happen. Is it worth experimenting with millions of peoples lives. I don't think is is tbh."
Is it really...so you think the EU are playing a game of chance.. |
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over a year ago
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At the moment it seems that money is the main sticking point as in how much the uk will pay.
Has the EU actually come me up with a figure yet? In hard Euros ?
They talk of financial commitments but have they actually said what and how much they are?
All comes down to mony at the end of the day  |
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"At the moment it seems that money is the main sticking point as in how much the uk will pay.
Has the EU actually come me up with a figure yet? In hard Euros ?
They talk of financial commitments but have they actually said what and how much they are?
All comes down to mony at the end of the day "
Its more than just money....thats one of the points i agree...but further down the list than you think |
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"I think they probably realize over there by now that a no deal will drop everyone in Europe into an almighty recession and will seek to avoid that. It looks as if there might be a bit of a concession coming regards trading arrangements after we leave in exchange for 20 Billion quid which is virtually our contribution for 2 years after Brexit anyway.
In those 2 years we would seek to be allowed to make our own free trade deals and then toddle off on our own in exchange for access to single market for those 2 years.
To be honest it sounds like a deal could be in the offing after the usual Bluff and counter bluff that goes on in a game of poker. I do hope so as the alternative is very bleak in my opinion.
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WoW!
What part of 'A study by Dutch banking and financial services company, Rabobank has found that leaving the single market without a trade agreement in place would cost up to 18 per cent of the UK’s GDP growth by 2030, compared with remaining in the EU.'
While only costing the EU 2% of its GDP over the same period?
What part of leaks of the study the government commissioned and are refusing to release because it is not in our interest to know what it said are predicting that a hard 'no deal' brexit will plunge this country into a 10 year recession do you not get? What part of nearly 10% has been wiped off the value of our currency and therefore everything we buy and sell £ Sterling on international markets? |
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over a year ago
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I said I'm hoping for a deal. Not sure why you are jumping down my throat as if I am some sort of imbecile and have said I don't want a deal.
I'm not sure if a survey by a dutch bank which is waiting in wings to pick up a load of our banking work is any more valid than a Daily Express comment or a Daily mirror comment. They are all guessing. No one flipping well knows what's going to happen for sure. I haven't got access to a secret government dossier have I ? or nor have you I daresay. Some people love to jump down your throat on here when you express an opinion. |
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"May be,just may be it's the EU who is trying for the no deal,just a thought. Everyone is quick to point the finger at the government and not the EU."
Because anyone who's followed the negotiations knows thats not the case. Its been a pretty transparent process so far. The reason the Torys are being blamed is because everyone can see that theyre ar fault.
The EU negotiating team had all their positions agreed and published before negotiations began. The UK are only got some of that done in September and still havent got it all done.
The EU have given the UK a basis for working out the "divorce bill" the UK have not.
The EU are united and consistent. The Torys are constantly fighting among themselves in the press and in private.
The Torys are also offering nonsense, fantasy unworkable points. Their plan for Northern Irelands border was ridiculous and completely inappropriate. Either they knew that and proposed it anyway or theyre idiots and didnt see it was an obvious problem. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"It's just a theoretical point I was making. Once upon a time UK was the 2nd biggest motor manufacturer in the world. Once upon a time we were the biggest motorcycle manufacturer in the world. We could do it again - couldn't we? Just think new factories, employment, tax revenues it's a win win? We have to look at the propaganda posters of WW2 "Your country needs you - to buy British". Just cater for the home market and stop importing foreign goods?
Don't you get it?
It is not a theoretical point, it is a totally fantastical point. There is no British mass market motor vehicle (or any other for that matter) manufacturing industry but you are helping perpetuate the myth that Japanese, US, German (or any other countries) company that sets up a production facility in the UK is British. It is not! It is an overseas production facility of a foreign powers economic base. Its profits are channelled back to that foreign power and the its tax revenues to this country are mitigated to the maximum by use of accounting tools like subsidiary bursaries to the parent company and licencing of copyrighted ideas and patented processes to reduce tax liabilities in the country where the production facility is (that's most of our production industry!)!!!
WE ARE FUCKED!
THATCHER FUCKED US!
Wake up Britain! Smell the shit we are drowning in and start swimming before it is too late!
Yes I understand what your saying. BUT why can't Great Britain change and take back control and get back what we lost? We did it once before why can't we do it again? We will have £350m a week to plough back into the British economy. Dyson is going to do great things, electric cars he surely will build them in the UK? In fact of he brought back the manufacturing of his other products to the UK how many jobs would that create. Surely he could support his country and set an example to other industrialists - Yes it would cost more but the country would benefit greatly?
350m were you finding that from ?
La La land!
But I am sure any shortfall will be topped up by Boris!
All joking aside - seriously if we could start being manufacturer's again instead of shopkeepers, it may work?
It wont work because there are not enough investors or companies who are going to sacrifice their own wages, dividends and profits to help Britain through its self inflicted economic damage. And even if they did the shareholders would sack the board for doing it.
And we are pulling out of the European Investment Bank and the approx £8bn of investment per year that came with it.
Is that the bank where we contributed 16% of the capital, in return for 8% investment?"
It's a loan, not a grant |
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"It's just a theoretical point I was making. Once upon a time UK was the 2nd biggest motor manufacturer in the world. Once upon a time we were the biggest motorcycle manufacturer in the world. We could do it again - couldn't we? Just think new factories, employment, tax revenues it's a win win? We have to look at the propaganda posters of WW2 "Your country needs you - to buy British". Just cater for the home market and stop importing foreign goods?
Don't you get it?
It is not a theoretical point, it is a totally fantastical point. There is no British mass market motor vehicle (or any other for that matter) manufacturing industry but you are helping perpetuate the myth that Japanese, US, German (or any other countries) company that sets up a production facility in the UK is British. It is not! It is an overseas production facility of a foreign powers economic base. Its profits are channelled back to that foreign power and the its tax revenues to this country are mitigated to the maximum by use of accounting tools like subsidiary bursaries to the parent company and licencing of copyrighted ideas and patented processes to reduce tax liabilities in the country where the production facility is (that's most of our production industry!)!!!
WE ARE FUCKED!
THATCHER FUCKED US!
Wake up Britain! Smell the shit we are drowning in and start swimming before it is too late!
Yes I understand what your saying. BUT why can't Great Britain change and take back control and get back what we lost? We did it once before why can't we do it again? We will have £350m a week to plough back into the British economy. Dyson is going to do great things, electric cars he surely will build them in the UK? In fact of he brought back the manufacturing of his other products to the UK how many jobs would that create. Surely he could support his country and set an example to other industrialists - Yes it would cost more but the country would benefit greatly?
350m were you finding that from ?
La La land!
But I am sure any shortfall will be topped up by Boris!
All joking aside - seriously if we could start being manufacturer's again instead of shopkeepers, it may work?
It wont work because there are not enough investors or companies who are going to sacrifice their own wages, dividends and profits to help Britain through its self inflicted economic damage. And even if they did the shareholders would sack the board for doing it.
And we are pulling out of the European Investment Bank and the approx £8bn of investment per year that came with it.
Is that the bank where we contributed 16% of the capital, in return for 8% investment?
It's a loan, not a grant "
France Germany and Italy also hold a 16% stake. |
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over a year ago
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I wonder if "no deal" becomes the most likely option that there should be a second referendum to see if we as a nation are prepared to accept the potential hardships of the cliff edge or take a view that we will indeed be on the final jump of a springboard to national success. |
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"I wonder if "no deal" becomes the most likely option that there should be a second referendum to see if we as a nation are prepared to accept the potential hardships of the cliff edge or take a view that we will indeed be on the final jump of a springboard to national success."
A hard 'no deal' brexit has been the most likely outcome since day one. It is Mays preferred option, She has a mind to tie us to the USA and will do anything she can to make that happen. However she knows that for all but the wealthiest of us it will be a disaster so needs a way to blame the EU for what she and her millionaire government is doing to this country to further enrich themselves and their backers. |
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"Britain is getting ready for a no deal as it seems that may is throwing in the towel early as she wont get what she want, what is your view?  "
No deal would suit fine, I detest paying those ignorant Europeans any cash payment at all, they look down on the UK, they are corrupt and we should pull out with a no deal |
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"No deal would suit fine, I detest paying those ignorant Europeans any cash payment at all, they look down on the UK, they are corrupt and we should pull out with a no deal"
Of course you feel that way.
I wonder if you will still feel that way when you find out that as a result of a hard brexit your quite nice retired lifestyle you have been looking forward to, with your trips to Trump's Turnbury to play golf and be pampered has been destroyed and rather than putting your feet up and enjoying yourself you will need to return to the rigs and work longer hours for significantly less dosh for the rest of your life. |
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The brexit bus is running out of fuel.So we are putting the peddle to the metal and heading to the edge at full speed.Soon we will be told to assume the crash position and put our head between our legs.  |
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"Britain is getting ready for a no deal as it seems that may is throwing in the towel early as she wont get what she want, what is your view?
No deal would suit fine, I detest paying those ignorant Europeans any cash payment at all, they look down on the UK, they are corrupt and we should pull out with a no deal"
I don't think you're right tbh and I don't think the fella that thinks TH is a lacky of the rich, privileged few either, she's just a woamn wrestling with the poisoned chalice of this nonsensical brexit vote.
I wouldn't be in her shoes for a gold pig. Perhaps she's getting paid a gold pig and can fuck off to the Cayman Islands or wherever after, personally I couldn't give a toss what she does after.
Possibly crashing out with no deal is the best option, but I think before we all leap over the edge like a load of lemmings I'm at least given the chance to decide if I want to leap. |
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"No deal would suit fine, I detest paying those ignorant Europeans any cash payment at all, they look down on the UK, they are corrupt and we should pull out with a no deal
Of course you feel that way.
I wonder if you will still feel that way when you find out that as a result of a hard brexit your quite nice retired lifestyle you have been looking forward to, with your trips to Trump's Turnbury to play golf and be pampered has been destroyed and rather than putting your feet up and enjoying yourself you will need to return to the rigs and work longer hours for significantly less dosh for the rest of your life."
Im already retired mate, worked hard for 35 years, have a nice American Oil Company Pension and in a couple of years another 2 pensions will mature
I agree though Trump's Turnberry is a very nice 5 star, some of the most luxurious rooms in the UK, and I have stayed in a few, oh but no golf for me, its not my game of choice, prefer to be in the hills with a .308 looking for big reds
Work, is a thing of the past for me, a thing I endured to enable the lifestyle I now have
what about yourself? |
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While people are distracted by the brexit nonsense.
5.4million public sector workers whent on strike in France.
Spanish bank banco popula was bought for 1 euro by Santander.
Austria just voted for a party who main policy is to stop immigration.
ECB has 2.3 trillion of debt and has to keep buying because none else will buy the bonds.
Germany working with Russia to push the nord gas pipeline through Europe.
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"Work, is a thing of the past for me, a thing I endured to enable the lifestyle I now have
what about yourself? "
I have a very nasty feeling that in the not too distant future you and I (and the rest of the country) are going to be introduced to hyperinflation at which point you will find your very nice pension is worthless because the £ Sterling will be worthless. Of course I may be wrong after all it is possible that we can refuse to honour our financial treaty obligations and that the EU will not take steps to recover what is owed to them in other ways and the rest of the world may be willing to also ignore our perfidy and rush to our door begging us for trade deals on terms more advantageous to us than the deals being offered to the EU. But I think hoping for this outcome is deluded so I will continue to prepare for the disaster to come as best I can. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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I was talking to some people over the weekend and three guys would simply not believe that a hard Brexit (no deal) just walk away scenario would mean changes. Their opinion was that a no deal meant nothing better than what we have at the moment so nothing changes.
When it was pointed out to them by myself and others that a no deal meant big, big changes then all three to a man promptly accused the EU of stitching up the UK and for Theresa May covering up the EU plot to stitch up the U.K. with a no deal punishment.
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"I was talking to some people over the weekend and three guys would simply not believe that a hard Brexit (no deal) just walk away scenario would mean changes. Their opinion was that a no deal meant nothing better than what we have at the moment so nothing changes.
When it was pointed out to them by myself and others that a no deal meant big, big changes then all three to a man promptly accused the EU of stitching up the UK and for Theresa May covering up the EU plot to stitch up the U.K. with a no deal punishment.
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I'm not surprised about those 2 things -
1. Blaming the EU, when it's this government's responsibility
2. The Conservative brexit campaign which lied and mislead the public.
The public generally were largely ignorant of what it would entail should the UK leave the EU, significantly more education was needed, should the government act upon the result of the referendum. It was the clueless (and fraudulent) leading the ignorant.
Such a complex matter, with substantial likely forecast damage to the UK for many years, should not have been left to a simple poll vote.
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over a year ago
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No he'll be fine for a while. His pension is paid in dollars and a sinking pound is great news. I think it's a case of I'm alright jack. We'll see eh. I don't think there is simple answer to this countdown conundrum.
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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Just seen a report by Alexander Stubborn, vice President of the European Investment Bank, that monies owed to the UK would not be repaid to the UK until 2054.
Despite being joint largest stakeholder in this institution, and continuing to pay in our due contributions, the EIB has not authorised any investment into the UK since June.
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"The Maybot does not get it. She is an authoritarian daughter of a vicar, she was brought up believing in an absolute power and has consistently applied that rule to her life. When she is in power it is her way or no way. Soon we will all get to understand what happens when a supposedly unstoppable force comes off the rails when it discovers that the immovable object in it's path is the real thing.
I predict this country is on its way to bankruptcy and that the US financial sharks are already planning exactly how to feast on our tory inspired and driven misfortune."
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