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"I don't think that there is anyone on here that remembers Kier Hardie! " Ouch that would be really embarrassing then if anyone on here that votes Labour dont even know he founded the Labour party lol I wasnt born when he founded the party i dont agree with the present Scottish Labour branch office but i know Keir Hardie was the man that founded the party and his main policy was to give Scotland Home Rule seems the present Labour party have somehow forgotten Labour values and delivering what Keir Hardie founded the party on | |||
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"Boy this guys funny....i bet hes a laugh a minute down the pub "What nothing to say on the subject ? Come on give me some input on your views on Home Rule for Scotland ? | |||
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"We have Home rule, do you mean Independence and yes l know who Kier Hardie is " Really so you think Home Rule was delivered to Scotland ? When do you think that was delivered ? Can you tell me out of the Scotland bill how many powers did Labour want to devolve to Scotland ? | |||
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"I believe the SNP have made a big enough mess of things without even more powers. Besides they have yet to use those already allocated, so why bleat for more The wheels are coming off this bandwagon daily.... "Ok what powers is it you want the SNP to use ? Do you not want the likes of the bedroom tax to be devolved to Scotland ? You do get if SNP were not in government the party / branch office in government would also have to mitigate the likes of the bedroom tax? So if Labour were in government in Scotland would you be quite happy for them to mitigate Tory cuts that the Scottish voters didnt vote for ? Or would you be asking for them to be devolved ? | |||
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Let's start of with the basics:
1) what is your definition of home rule?
2) who do you believe promised it? | |||
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"Only 9 posts on the thread and the OP has already asked 13 questions!
Let's start of with the basics:
1) what is your definition of home rule?
2) who do you believe promised it? "Am sorry i thought this was a forum for everyone 1. self-government, devolution Now i know your going to reply with saying Scotland has a devolved parliament and devolved powers yes you would be correct but as you so pointed out to me constitution is a power reversed to Westminster to decide also there is benefits and social security immigration defence foreign policy employment broadcasting trade and industry nuclear energy, oil, coal, gas and electricity consumer rights data protection All Reserved matters now doesnt sound like the power to self govern when all those things above still are reserved to Westminster 2. Keir Hardie , Gordon Brown , Alex Rowley Gordon Brown back in 2014 said Labour would be putting forward Home Rule to be given to Scotland if Scotland were to vote no to independence near federal state as can be Doesnt matter if its the Tories that are in government in the UK the promise was made to Scotland in 2014 why should that now be broken ? Also can you tell me how many devolved powers Labour wanted to give Scotland in the Scotland bill ? After all they were the party that put forward the promise to give Scotland Home Rule surely they would be wanting to devolved alot of powers then ? | |||
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"Only 9 posts on the thread and the OP has already asked 13 questions!
Let's start of with the basics:
1) what is your definition of home rule?
2) who do you believe promised it?
Am sorry i thought this was a forum for everyone
1. self-government, devolution
Now i know your going to reply with saying Scotland has a devolved parliament and devolved powers yes you would be correct but as you so pointed out to me constitution is a power reversed to Westminster to decide also there is
benefits and social security
immigration
defence
foreign policy
employment
broadcasting
trade and industry
nuclear energy, oil, coal, gas and electricity
consumer rights
data protection
All Reserved matters now doesnt sound like the power to self govern when all those things above still are reserved to Westminster
2. Keir Hardie , Gordon Brown , Alex Rowley
Gordon Brown back in 2014 said Labour would be putting forward Home Rule to be given to Scotland if Scotland were to vote no to independence near federal state as can be
Doesnt matter if its the Tories that are in government in the UK the promise was made to Scotland in 2014 why should that now be broken ?
Also can you tell me how many devolved powers Labour wanted to give Scotland in the Scotland bill ? After all they were the party that put forward the promise to give Scotland Home Rule surely they would be wanting to devolved alot of powers then ?"Your answers to one and two appear to be contradictory, for example you list foreign policy and defence as examples of home rule, but then say that those who promised home rule promised a federal system. As you well know, a federal system such as the US, Germany or Australia do not have seperate foreign and defence policies for each state. Given that apparent contradiction, and your broad definition of "home rule", please can you elaborate on how, in your opinion, home rule differs from independence? | |||
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"Only 9 posts on the thread and the OP has already asked 13 questions!
Let's start of with the basics:
1) what is your definition of home rule?
2) who do you believe promised it?
Am sorry i thought this was a forum for everyone
1. self-government, devolution
Now i know your going to reply with saying Scotland has a devolved parliament and devolved powers yes you would be correct but as you so pointed out to me constitution is a power reversed to Westminster to decide also there is
benefits and social security
immigration
defence
foreign policy
employment
broadcasting
trade and industry
nuclear energy, oil, coal, gas and electricity
consumer rights
data protection
All Reserved matters now doesnt sound like the power to self govern when all those things above still are reserved to Westminster
2. Keir Hardie , Gordon Brown , Alex Rowley
Gordon Brown back in 2014 said Labour would be putting forward Home Rule to be given to Scotland if Scotland were to vote no to independence near federal state as can be
Doesnt matter if its the Tories that are in government in the UK the promise was made to Scotland in 2014 why should that now be broken ?
Also can you tell me how many devolved powers Labour wanted to give Scotland in the Scotland bill ? After all they were the party that put forward the promise to give Scotland Home Rule surely they would be wanting to devolved alot of powers then ?
Your answers to one and two appear to be contradictory, for example you list foreign policy and defence as examples of home rule, but then say that those who promised home rule promised a federal system. As you well know, a federal system such as the US, Germany or Australia do not have seperate foreign and defence policies for each state. Given that apparent contradiction, and your broad definition of "home rule", please can you elaborate on how, in your opinion, home rule differs from independence? "Am not the one that promised Home Rule am i ? I would prefer full independence but the fact is Home Rule was a promise made to Scotland if they voted no in 2014 now it seems unionists dont care about delivering Home Rule oh well makes the case for independenc even better for IndyRef2 lol Does anyone know want Labour wanted to devolve to Scotland in the Scotland bill ? This is the party of Home Rule remember so like i said surely Labour would want alot of things to be devolved to Scotland if they 100% believe in Home Rule eh | |||
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"Sorry, Im very confused now. Let's go back to the beginning. What is your definition of home rule? " Home Rule - self-government | |||
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"I've got to admit I struggle to take anyone seriously who uses "Am" instead of "I'm" or "I am". The SNP really have wrecked the education system up here and we see it on these threads unfortunately "Oh there is the spelling police out again. Dont know i thing about me but judge me on my spelling You know its easy mistakes to make when people have dyslexia am not perfect but i do try. So you really blaming the SNP for me having dyslexia ? Oh and its nothing to be ashamed of btw i couldnt care less about people knowing no one will catch it Undertand it and think before trying to be little someone's spelling please. | |||
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"Here is a better way of looking at it If Home Rule was 100% delivered to Scotland as promised then surely that would mean all of these reversed matter would be devolved to Scotland then benefits and social security immigration constitution employment broadcasting trade and industry nuclear energy, oil, coal, gas and electricity consumer rights data protection Now there is my definition of home rule? What is other people's definition ? " i am laughing because when you got told that know federal system gives them policy over foreign policy or defence.... instead of acknowledging the fact you didn't know..( and you probably still don't know) you left those out of your post like people wouldn't notice! so okay... couple of things..... you are getting benefits and social security as of april 18.... constitution... hello... scots law FFS!!!! broadcasting.... you get the money give to you via bbc scotland, and that money is based on the barnett formula (you know that thing which gives scotland more money per head of population than people in england) Energy.... as i put in the other thread, you do realise then when they talk about that they are talking about decisions to Build new energy plants.... the scottish govt Does have control of the enviromental energy plans (wind and solar) and they can actually if they were owned any..... consumer rights and data protection..... they are covered under EU statutes AND UK statutues..... trade and industry.... the scot govt do have the right to their own missions across the world to go out and lobby for more trade and industry... irony being they can grants based on EU protections as enducements.... they can also use their own government to try and help business from going to the wall within EU rights... which is what they basically did with the scottish steel industry..... | |||
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"Sorry, Im very confused now. Let's go back to the beginning. What is your definition of home rule? Home Rule - self-government " So how does that differ from independence? | |||
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"I've got to admit I struggle to take anyone seriously who uses "Am" instead of "I'm" or "I am". The SNP really have wrecked the education system up here and we see it on these threads unfortunately
Oh there is the spelling police out again.
Dont know i thing about me but judge me on my spelling
You know its easy mistakes to make when people have dyslexia am not perfect but i do try.
So you really blaming the SNP for me having dyslexia ? Oh and its nothing to be ashamed of btw i couldnt care less about people knowing no one will catch it
Undertand it and think before trying to be little someone's spelling please.
"Are you seriously claiming you can't spell "I'm" or "I am"? Also, I wouldn't judge you on that but we can make a judgement on your intelligence based on these threads. You parrot things you read on other sites with no understanding at all about them. That's why they always end up such a train-wreck when you're asked any questions and are clearly unable to answer them. Even other pro-indy supporters seem to avoid them these days. | |||
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"Here is a better way of looking at it If Home Rule was 100% delivered to Scotland as promised then surely that would mean all of these reversed matter would be devolved to Scotland then benefits and social security immigration constitution employment broadcasting trade and industry nuclear energy, oil, coal, gas and electricity consumer rights data protection Now there is my definition of home rule? What is other people's definition ? i am laughing because when you got told that know federal system gives them policy over foreign policy or defence.... instead of acknowledging the fact you didn't know..( and you probably still don't know) you left those out of your post like people wouldn't notice! so okay... couple of things..... you are getting benefits and social security as of april 18.... constitution... hello... scots law FFS!!!! broadcasting.... you get the money give to you via bbc scotland, and that money is based on the barnett formula (you know that thing which gives scotland more money per head of population than people in england) Energy.... as i put in the other thread, you do realise then when they talk about that they are talking about decisions to Build new energy plants.... the scottish govt Does have control of the enviromental energy plans (wind and solar) and they can actually if they were owned any..... consumer rights and data protection..... they are covered under EU statutes AND UK statutues..... trade and industry.... the scot govt do have the right to their own missions across the world to go out and lobby for more trade and industry... irony being they can grants based on EU protections as enducements.... they can also use their own government to try and help business from going to the wall within EU rights... which is what they basically did with the scottish steel industry....." No no i know that foreign policy defence All i did above was list ALL the reversed matters If you had answered me that you would have known constitution - Hello Scotland's elected government have to ask to UK permission to hold a referendum even though the SNP were elected by the people giving them a mandate thats not full control thats dictatorship ruling over the people. Oh my you didnt just say BBC Scotland lmao | |||
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"Here is a better way of looking at it If Home Rule was 100% delivered to Scotland as promised then surely that would mean all of these reversed matter would be devolved to Scotland then benefits and social security immigration constitution employment broadcasting trade and industry nuclear energy, oil, coal, gas and electricity consumer rights data protection Now there is my definition of home rule? What is other people's definition ? i am laughing because when you got told that know federal system gives them policy over foreign policy or defence.... instead of acknowledging the fact you didn't know..( and you probably still don't know) you left those out of your post like people wouldn't notice! so okay... couple of things..... you are getting benefits and social security as of april 18.... constitution... hello... scots law FFS!!!! broadcasting.... you get the money give to you via bbc scotland, and that money is based on the barnett formula (you know that thing which gives scotland more money per head of population than people in england) Energy.... as i put in the other thread, you do realise then when they talk about that they are talking about decisions to Build new energy plants.... the scottish govt Does have control of the enviromental energy plans (wind and solar) and they can actually if they were owned any..... consumer rights and data protection..... they are covered under EU statutes AND UK statutues..... trade and industry.... the scot govt do have the right to their own missions across the world to go out and lobby for more trade and industry... irony being they can grants based on EU protections as enducements.... they can also use their own government to try and help business from going to the wall within EU rights... which is what they basically did with the scottish steel industry..... No no i know that foreign policy defence All i did above was list ALL the reversed matters If you had answered me that you would have known constitution - Hello Scotland's elected government have to ask to UK permission to hold a referendum even though the SNP were elected by the people giving them a mandate thats not full control thats dictatorship ruling over the people. Oh my you didnt just say BBC Scotland lmao " so what other broadcasting are you after because all over broadcasting avenues are commerical....... so the only people who get government money are BBC scotland for their radio and tv stations...., who then use that money to subsidise the likes of BBC Alba | |||
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"I've got to admit I struggle to take anyone seriously who uses "Am" instead of "I'm" or "I am". The SNP really have wrecked the education system up here and we see it on these threads unfortunately
Oh there is the spelling police out again.
Dont know i thing about me but judge me on my spelling
You know its easy mistakes to make when people have dyslexia am not perfect but i do try.
So you really blaming the SNP for me having dyslexia ? Oh and its nothing to be ashamed of btw i couldnt care less about people knowing no one will catch it
Undertand it and think before trying to be little someone's spelling please.
Are you seriously claiming you can't spell "I'm" or "I am"?
Also, I wouldn't judge you on that but we can make a judgement on your intelligence based on these threads. You parrot things you read on other sites with no understanding at all about them. That's why they always end up such a train-wreck when you're asked any questions and are clearly unable to answer them. Even other pro-indy supporters seem to avoid them these days."What the fuck ? Please before you go any futher down the hole read and understand Dyslexia. Stop having a dig at someone's spelling i'm or i am ok i made a fucking mistake fucking sue me do you know how hard it can be for someone with dyslexia ? I didnt know the spelling police were out having a go at someone's spelling. See instead of having a dig a someone's spelling for the lack of ' of not using I maybe have a go and people that use text and being lazy like U R. I try yes i know i have spelling mistakes am not perfect know this but i try again sue me Other sites and am brain dead not to understand what they are saying thank you very much belitted again. I dont need another pro indy supporters sticking up for me | |||
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"Here is a better way of looking at it If Home Rule was 100% delivered to Scotland as promised then surely that would mean all of these reversed matter would be devolved to Scotland then benefits and social security immigration constitution employment broadcasting trade and industry nuclear energy, oil, coal, gas and electricity consumer rights data protection Now there is my definition of home rule? What is other people's definition ? i am laughing because when you got told that know federal system gives them policy over foreign policy or defence.... instead of acknowledging the fact you didn't know..( and you probably still don't know) you left those out of your post like people wouldn't notice! so okay... couple of things..... you are getting benefits and social security as of april 18.... constitution... hello... scots law FFS!!!! broadcasting.... you get the money give to you via bbc scotland, and that money is based on the barnett formula (you know that thing which gives scotland more money per head of population than people in england) Energy.... as i put in the other thread, you do realise then when they talk about that they are talking about decisions to Build new energy plants.... the scottish govt Does have control of the enviromental energy plans (wind and solar) and they can actually if they were owned any..... consumer rights and data protection..... they are covered under EU statutes AND UK statutues..... trade and industry.... the scot govt do have the right to their own missions across the world to go out and lobby for more trade and industry... irony being they can grants based on EU protections as enducements.... they can also use their own government to try and help business from going to the wall within EU rights... which is what they basically did with the scottish steel industry..... No no i know that foreign policy defence All i did above was list ALL the reversed matters If you had answered me that you would have known constitution - Hello Scotland's elected government have to ask to UK permission to hold a referendum even though the SNP were elected by the people giving them a mandate thats not full control thats dictatorship ruling over the people. Oh my you didnt just say BBC Scotland lmao so what other broadcasting are you after because all over broadcasting avenues are commerical....... so the only people who get government money are BBC scotland for their radio and tv stations...., who then use that money to subsidise the likes of BBC Alba" Simply shut the BBC down and save people £147 and giving Scotland full devolved power of broadcasting where we get to decide what goes on our telly and get full Scottish news instead of hearing non news stories from England and no thats not me being anti English before that bullshit comes up thats me just wanting to hear news in Scotland. Oh of interest Fabio do you think Scotland has Home Rule ? Should it be delivered to Scotland as that was the promise in 2014 correct ? Doesnt matter which party is in government in Westminster all three of the unionist parties choose to join in the Better Together and each of them put forward pledges to give to Scotland should it vote no to independence you cant take back a promise just cause you feel like it. | |||
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"I've got to admit I struggle to take anyone seriously who uses "Am" instead of "I'm" or "I am". The SNP really have wrecked the education system up here and we see it on these threads unfortunately
Oh there is the spelling police out again.
Dont know i thing about me but judge me on my spelling
You know its easy mistakes to make when people have dyslexia am not perfect but i do try.
So you really blaming the SNP for me having dyslexia ? Oh and its nothing to be ashamed of btw i couldnt care less about people knowing no one will catch it
Undertand it and think before trying to be little someone's spelling please.
Are you seriously claiming you can't spell "I'm" or "I am"?
Also, I wouldn't judge you on that but we can make a judgement on your intelligence based on these threads. You parrot things you read on other sites with no understanding at all about them. That's why they always end up such a train-wreck when you're asked any questions and are clearly unable to answer them. Even other pro-indy supporters seem to avoid them these days.
What the fuck ?
Please before you go any futher down the hole read and understand Dyslexia. Stop having a dig at someone's spelling i'm or i am ok i made a fucking mistake fucking sue me do you know how hard it can be for someone with dyslexia ? I didnt know the spelling police were out having a go at someone's spelling.
See instead of having a dig a someone's spelling for the lack of ' of not using I maybe have a go and people that use text and being lazy like U R. I try yes i know i have spelling mistakes am not perfect know this but i try again sue me
Other sites and am brain dead not to understand what they are saying thank you very much belitted again.
I dont need another pro indy supporters sticking up for me "You always manage to spell the profanities you litter your posts with correctly  | |||
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"I've got to admit I struggle to take anyone seriously who uses "Am" instead of "I'm" or "I am". The SNP really have wrecked the education system up here and we see it on these threads unfortunately
Oh there is the spelling police out again.
Dont know i thing about me but judge me on my spelling
You know its easy mistakes to make when people have dyslexia am not perfect but i do try.
So you really blaming the SNP for me having dyslexia ? Oh and its nothing to be ashamed of btw i couldnt care less about people knowing no one will catch it
Undertand it and think before trying to be little someone's spelling please.
Are you seriously claiming you can't spell "I'm" or "I am"?
Also, I wouldn't judge you on that but we can make a judgement on your intelligence based on these threads. You parrot things you read on other sites with no understanding at all about them. That's why they always end up such a train-wreck when you're asked any questions and are clearly unable to answer them. Even other pro-indy supporters seem to avoid them these days.
What the fuck ?
Please before you go any futher down the hole read and understand Dyslexia. Stop having a dig at someone's spelling i'm or i am ok i made a fucking mistake fucking sue me do you know how hard it can be for someone with dyslexia ? I didnt know the spelling police were out having a go at someone's spelling.
See instead of having a dig a someone's spelling for the lack of ' of not using I maybe have a go and people that use text and being lazy like U R. I try yes i know i have spelling mistakes am not perfect know this but i try again sue me
Other sites and am brain dead not to understand what they are saying thank you very much belitted again.
I dont need another pro indy supporters sticking up for me
You always manage to spell the profanities you litter your posts with correctly "Oops now seems '' i am '' not allowed to use swear words lol | |||
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"What planet are you living on your rants are unbelievable no wonder the SNP will be gone soon with supporters like you.... "Define gone soon ? SNP - 2007 SNP - 2011 SNP - 2015 SNP - 2016 SNP- 2017 Not a bad record for a party that people seem to think is doing everything wrong sadly for you the voters dont agree with you. What does it say about the unionist branch offices in Scotland if unionists think the SNP are that bad the unionist branches cant win majorities in elections in Scotland lol 20,000+ SNP members now bigger than the Tories what does that tell you. hehehe | |||
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" Simply shut the BBC down and save people £147 and giving Scotland full devolved power of broadcasting where we get to decide what goes on our telly and get full Scottish news instead of hearing non news stories from England and no thats not me being anti English before that bullshit comes up thats me just wanting to hear news in Scotland. Oh of interest Fabio do you think Scotland has Home Rule ? Should it be delivered to Scotland as that was the promise in 2014 correct ? Doesnt matter which party is in government in Westminster all three of the unionist parties choose to join in the Better Together and each of them put forward pledges to give to Scotland should it vote no to independence you cant take back a promise just cause you feel like it. " i am sorry that you find the concept of getting national news followed by local news really offending.... its not like thats how they do it in most countries..... 
on the getting rid of the bbc and then using that money to produce local programming.... you do realise what you are saying is "get rid of the bbc and use the money for some sort of "national" broadcasting communication company.... you mean, like, the BBC!!!!
with regards to "home rule"..... you basically already have it as most of the things that you use in the real world are already governed from holyrood......
so if you can tell me how any of the things on your list can be improved by having them centralised from holyrood... I'm all ears....
so rather than dotting out the list.... you tell us what different it would make to you having them....... | |||
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" Simply shut the BBC down and save people £147 and giving Scotland full devolved power of broadcasting where we get to decide what goes on our telly and get full Scottish news instead of hearing non news stories from England and no thats not me being anti English before that bullshit comes up thats me just wanting to hear news in Scotland. Oh of interest Fabio do you think Scotland has Home Rule ? Should it be delivered to Scotland as that was the promise in 2014 correct ? Doesnt matter which party is in government in Westminster all three of the unionist parties choose to join in the Better Together and each of them put forward pledges to give to Scotland should it vote no to independence you cant take back a promise just cause you feel like it. i am sorry that you find the concept of getting national news followed by local news really offending.... its not like thats how they do it in most countries.....
on the getting rid of the bbc and then using that money to produce local programming.... you do realise what you are saying is "get rid of the bbc and use the money for some sort of "national" broadcasting communication company.... you mean, like, the BBC!!!!
with regards to "home rule"..... you basically already have it as most of the things that you use in the real world are already governed from holyrood......
so if you can tell me how any of the things on your list can be improved by having them centralised from holyrood... I'm all ears....
so rather than dotting out the list.... you tell us what different it would make to you having them......."So you think Holyrood already has Home Rule ? Interesting so when did Scotland get Home Rule? Do you think Labour were lying in 2014 when they put forward giving Scotland Home Rule ? | |||
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"OP, I don't think you really understand what the term "home rule" means. If you don't understand it, then you would have misunderstood when politicians have used the phrase. If your definition is different from theirs, then its not a surprise that you are confused as to why your definition hasn't been met." He also didnt understand the term region also yesterday at that Scotland is one | |||
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"OP, I don't think you really understand what the term "home rule" means. If you don't understand it, then you would have misunderstood when politicians have used the phrase. If your definition is different from theirs, then its not a surprise that you are confused as to why your definition hasn't been met. He also didnt understand the term region also yesterday at that Scotland is one "If they say its a country, ask them for a definition of what is and what isn't a country. They go deadly quiet after that.  | |||
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""Home rule is government of a colony, dependent country, or region by its own citizens.[1] It is thus the power of a constituent part (administrative division) of a state to exercise such of the state's powers ofgovernance within its own administrative area that have been decentralized to it by the central government. In the British Isles, it traditionally referred to self-government, devolution or independence of its constituent nations—initially Ireland, and laterScotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. In the United States and other countries organised as federations of states, the term usually refers to the process and mechanisms of self-government as exercised by municipalities, counties, or other units of local government at the level below that of a federal state (e.g., US state, in which context see special legislation). It can also refer to the similar system under which Greenland and the Faroe Islands are associated with Denmark. Home rule is not, however, comparable with federalism. Whereas states in a federal system of government (e.g., Canada, Federal Republic of Germany, Switzerland, Brazil, Ethiopia and the United States of America) have a guaranteed constitutional existence, a devolved home rule system of government is created by ordinary legislation and can be reformed, or even abolished, by repeal or amendment of that ordinary legislation." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_rule " Wow you got that from Wikipedia is that the site that anyone can write on lol No thanks lol | |||
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"OP, I don't think you really understand what the term "home rule" means. If you don't understand it, then you would have misunderstood when politicians have used the phrase. If your definition is different from theirs, then its not a surprise that you are confused as to why your definition hasn't been met. He also didnt understand the term region also yesterday at that Scotland is one "Not my fault if you think so low about your own country to call it a region | |||
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""Home rule is government of a colony, dependent country, or region by its own citizens.[1] It is thus the power of a constituent part (administrative division) of a state to exercise such of the state's powers ofgovernance within its own administrative area that have been decentralized to it by the central government. In the British Isles, it traditionally referred to self-government, devolution or independence of its constituent nations—initially Ireland, and laterScotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. In the United States and other countries organised as federations of states, the term usually refers to the process and mechanisms of self-government as exercised by municipalities, counties, or other units of local government at the level below that of a federal state (e.g., US state, in which context see special legislation). It can also refer to the similar system under which Greenland and the Faroe Islands are associated with Denmark. Home rule is not, however, comparable with federalism. Whereas states in a federal system of government (e.g., Canada, Federal Republic of Germany, Switzerland, Brazil, Ethiopia and the United States of America) have a guaranteed constitutional existence, a devolved home rule system of government is created by ordinary legislation and can be reformed, or even abolished, by repeal or amendment of that ordinary legislation." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_rule Wow you got that from Wikipedia is that the site that anyone can write on lol No thanks lol" It defines home rule, and points out that scotland already has it.  | |||
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" Simply shut the BBC down and save people £147 and giving Scotland full devolved power of broadcasting where we get to decide what goes on our telly and get full Scottish news instead of hearing non news stories from England and no thats not me being anti English before that bullshit comes up thats me just wanting to hear news in Scotland. Oh of interest Fabio do you think Scotland has Home Rule ? Should it be delivered to Scotland as that was the promise in 2014 correct ? Doesnt matter which party is in government in Westminster all three of the unionist parties choose to join in the Better Together and each of them put forward pledges to give to Scotland should it vote no to independence you cant take back a promise just cause you feel like it. i am sorry that you find the concept of getting national news followed by local news really offending.... its not like thats how they do it in most countries.....
on the getting rid of the bbc and then using that money to produce local programming.... you do realise what you are saying is "get rid of the bbc and use the money for some sort of "national" broadcasting communication company.... you mean, like, the BBC!!!!
with regards to "home rule"..... you basically already have it as most of the things that you use in the real world are already governed from holyrood......
so if you can tell me how any of the things on your list can be improved by having them centralised from holyrood... I'm all ears....
so rather than dotting out the list.... you tell us what different it would make to you having them.......
So you think Holyrood already has Home Rule ? Interesting so when did Scotland get Home Rule? Do you think Labour were lying in 2014 when they put forward giving Scotland Home Rule ?
"see... that is classic "kinky" don't answering the question i ask and going into a diatribe... i actually answered your questions so please answer mine! "tell me how any of the things on your list can be improved by having them centralised from holyrood... I'm all ears...." | |||
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" Simply shut the BBC down and save people £147 and giving Scotland full devolved power of broadcasting where we get to decide what goes on our telly and get full Scottish news instead of hearing non news stories from England and no thats not me being anti English before that bullshit comes up thats me just wanting to hear news in Scotland. Oh of interest Fabio do you think Scotland has Home Rule ? Should it be delivered to Scotland as that was the promise in 2014 correct ? Doesnt matter which party is in government in Westminster all three of the unionist parties choose to join in the Better Together and each of them put forward pledges to give to Scotland should it vote no to independence you cant take back a promise just cause you feel like it. i am sorry that you find the concept of getting national news followed by local news really offending.... its not like thats how they do it in most countries.....
on the getting rid of the bbc and then using that money to produce local programming.... you do realise what you are saying is "get rid of the bbc and use the money for some sort of "national" broadcasting communication company.... you mean, like, the BBC!!!!
with regards to "home rule"..... you basically already have it as most of the things that you use in the real world are already governed from holyrood......
so if you can tell me how any of the things on your list can be improved by having them centralised from holyrood... I'm all ears....
so rather than dotting out the list.... you tell us what different it would make to you having them.......
So you think Holyrood already has Home Rule ? Interesting so when did Scotland get Home Rule? Do you think Labour were lying in 2014 when they put forward giving Scotland Home Rule ?
see... that is classic "kinky" don't answering the question i ask and going into a diatribe... i actually answered your questions so please answer mine!
"tell me how any of the things on your list can be improved by having them centralised from holyrood... I'm all ears....""Simple answer we the people will be able to hold the government we as in Scotland elect Now i answered it So you think Holyrood already has Home Rule ? Interesting so when did Scotland get Home Rule? Do you think Labour were lying in 2014 when they put forward giving Scotland Home Rule ? I wont shy away by saying i would full control over everything thats means independence but the problem is unionists seem to think its fine to promise Scotland Home Rule then take back the promise near federal state Gordon Brown said Scotland will get with having Home Rule yet strange thing is Labour didnt want to offer a god damn thing to be devolved to Scotland in the Scotland bill. So much for the party that values Home Rule eh that the chance to give it to Scotland they shat a brick and kept it in Tory hands ah well come indy Ref 2 that will come up no amount of shitty extra powers this time can they offer as the might as well just give the fuck all and hand Scotland independence. I see Spain seem to be ready to offer the vow to Catalonia thats how it works eh people than want to break free you offer them a bribe to stay its sad really | |||
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" Simple answer we the people will be able to hold the government we as in Scotland elect Now i answered it" and that is a wishy washy non-generic thrownaway answer because it has no specifics.... and i'll give you specifics as to why... Re: energy, as i said you misunderstood the energy component because it related to the building of plants and general infrusture... heck you can have those costs if you want them... but trust me, if a nuclear power station for example is going to cost you 25 billion... you might want that money coming out of central purses.... 
also last time i checked.... the national grid for example doesn't stop at the border!!!
with regards to data protection, and consumer protection.... like i said there are already uk protections and EU protections in place for those, and if you really, really, really think they don't go far enough.... guess what (you are so not going to like the next sentence) holyrood can already legistlate for that!!!!!
if you think piling on extra statutes over and above both EU and UK law is going to help scottish business... please tell me how, because the scottish government if they thought that would have made those changes....
for example.... drink drive limits.....
for example.... fox hunting law (actually ironically stronger in england than it is in scotland)
"So you think Holyrood already has Home Rule ? Interesting so when did Scotland get Home Rule? " you already have powers over taxation (which you have never used before this coming april to hold the upper earning tax levels where they are!) and you also get control over welfare and benefit spending as of this coming april...... so what else at the moment is really missing.... please tell me the one major issue you will have no control over... bearing in mind no "state" in a federal system has control over defence, or foreign policy (which you removed!) or Immigration (which you haven't removed) and i have covered all of your other concerns specifically in either this post or in other ones on the list..... so since i covered every matter of objection SPECIFICALLY on your home rule list...... now go back to your very own list and specifically in detail please tell me how having any of the things on the list would be any better off being based in holyrood that scottish corperations such as BBC Scotland for example don't have control over.... or how any would be better controlled in edinburgh... i look forward to your answer..... I don't it will happen because as per usual you'll wander off on a non-related tangent, or you'll go to bedroom tax which is your standard go to...... | |||
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" Simple answer we the people will be able to hold the government we as in Scotland elect Now i answered it and that is a wishy washy non-generic thrownaway answer because it has no specifics.... and i'll give you specifics as to why... Re: energy, as i said you misunderstood the energy component because it related to the building of plants and general infrusture... heck you can have those costs if you want them... but trust me, if a nuclear power station for example is going to cost you 25 billion... you might want that money coming out of central purses....
also last time i checked.... the national grid for example doesn't stop at the border!!!
with regards to data protection, and consumer protection.... like i said there are already uk protections and EU protections in place for those, and if you really, really, really think they don't go far enough.... guess what (you are so not going to like the next sentence) holyrood can already legistlate for that!!!!!
if you think piling on extra statutes over and above both EU and UK law is going to help scottish business... please tell me how, because the scottish government if they thought that would have made those changes....
for example.... drink drive limits.....
for example.... fox hunting law (actually ironically stronger in england than it is in scotland)
So you think Holyrood already has Home Rule ? Interesting so when did Scotland get Home Rule?
you already have powers over taxation (which you have never used before this coming april to hold the upper earning tax levels where they are!) and you also get control over welfare and benefit spending as of this coming april......
so what else at the moment is really missing.... please tell me the one major issue you will have no control over...
bearing in mind no "state" in a federal system has control over defence, or foreign policy (which you removed!) or Immigration (which you haven't removed) and i have covered all of your other concerns specifically in either this post or in other ones on the list.....
so since i covered every matter of objection SPECIFICALLY on your home rule list...... now go back to your very own list and specifically in detail please tell me how having any of the things on the list would be any better off being based in holyrood that scottish corperations such as BBC Scotland for example don't have control over.... or how any would be better controlled in edinburgh...
i look forward to your answer.....
I don't it will happen because as per usual you'll wander off on a non-related tangent, or you'll go to bedroom tax which is your standard go to...... "interesting the you say getting control over welfare so these welfare powers is that fully devolved to Scotland or will Westminster still be able to poke their noses in ? | |||
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"OP, I don't think you really understand what the term "home rule" means. If you don't understand it, then you would have misunderstood when politicians have used the phrase. If your definition is different from theirs, then its not a surprise that you are confused as to why your definition hasn't been met. He also didnt understand the term region also yesterday at that Scotland is one
Not my fault if you think so low about your own country to call it a region
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" Simply shut the BBC down and save people £147 and giving Scotland full devolved power of broadcasting where we get to decide what goes on our telly and get full Scottish news instead of hearing non news stories from England and no thats not me being anti English before that bullshit comes up thats me just wanting to hear news in Scotland. Oh of interest Fabio do you think Scotland has Home Rule ? Should it be delivered to Scotland as that was the promise in 2014 correct ? Doesnt matter which party is in government in Westminster all three of the unionist parties choose to join in the Better Together and each of them put forward pledges to give to Scotland should it vote no to independence you cant take back a promise just cause you feel like it. i am sorry that you find the concept of getting national news followed by local news really offending.... its not like thats how they do it in most countries.....
on the getting rid of the bbc and then using that money to produce local programming.... you do realise what you are saying is "get rid of the bbc and use the money for some sort of "national" broadcasting communication company.... you mean, like, the BBC!!!!
with regards to "home rule"..... you basically already have it as most of the things that you use in the real world are already governed from holyrood......
so if you can tell me how any of the things on your list can be improved by having them centralised from holyrood... I'm all ears....
so rather than dotting out the list.... you tell us what different it would make to you having them.......
So you think Holyrood already has Home Rule ? Interesting so when did Scotland get Home Rule? Do you think Labour were lying in 2014 when they put forward giving Scotland Home Rule ?
see... that is classic "kinky" don't answering the question i ask and going into a diatribe... i actually answered your questions so please answer mine!
"tell me how any of the things on your list can be improved by having them centralised from holyrood... I'm all ears...."
Simple answer we the people will be able to hold the government we as in Scotland elect
Now i answered it
So you think Holyrood already has Home Rule ? Interesting so when did Scotland get Home Rule? Do you think Labour were lying in 2014 when they put forward giving Scotland Home Rule ?
I wont shy away by saying i would full control over everything thats means independence
but the problem is unionists seem to think its fine to promise Scotland Home Rule then take back the promise
near federal state Gordon Brown said Scotland will get with having Home Rule yet strange thing is Labour didnt want to offer a god damn thing to be devolved to Scotland in the Scotland bill.
So much for the party that values Home Rule eh that the chance to give it to Scotland they shat a brick and kept it in Tory hands
ah well come indy Ref 2 that will come up no amount of shitty extra powers this time can they offer as the might as well just give the fuck all and hand Scotland independence.
I see Spain seem to be ready to offer the vow to Catalonia thats how it works eh people than want to break free you offer them a bribe to stay its sad really "As has been pointed out in the above definitions that you have ignored, home rule is incompatible with federalism, so if that is what Gordon Brown promised, then we wasn't promising home rule! | |||
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"No one voted for home rule. I can't remember that being on any ballot paper. " Wow thats some bold statement to make trying to talk for 2 million people to say no one voted for Home Rule Yes you are correct though back in 2014 that was not on the ballot paper but the Better Together mob that ah fuck it we will offer Scotland extra powers because they shat a brick saying that poll saying YES was in the lead Now dont it doesnt change the fact Home Rule was offered now its quite unbelieveable that no voters are now turning round and saying we dont give a damn about the promises made we got what we wanted so fuck those extra powers lol | |||
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"KinkyH&S you are a typical uneducated SNP supporter, a person who thinks that everything should be free and just handed to the SNP masses to buy the votes of the proletariat. Surely you must understand that the money must come from somewhere? Wealth creation is the only way! The EU refuse to recognise Catalonia. So what makes an independent Scotland different? Scotland would be in the same boat as Catalonia following independence. The SNP are deceiving the population of Scotland when the claim that the only way for Scotland to remain in the EU is independence. SNP please be honest with us, give up your only obsession and concentrate on running the country. Our schools are a disgrace with falling standards and an acute lack of staff. " Really uneducated ? So tell me how would you know this when you know nothing about me ? Just handed the the SNP ? Erm last i checked the voters go to polling stations and put a cross next to the SNP and therfore electing the SNP lol Would you not rather see any money raised in Scotland stay in Scotland ? Why would you be happy to send money down to the Tories ? Oh fucking hell!!! Right the SNP put in their own manifesto if Scotland faced being dragged out of the EU against its will then Scotland should have the right to call an independence referendum. Now the SNP were elected on that manifesto so you should know then the SNP do have a mandate from the people. unless your really trying to say you dont respect the SNP being elected by the people its not clever to do that. God unionists really are deaf eh. The EU have said if Scotland were to vote for independence they see no problem an independent Scotland being in the EU and being fast tracked into the EU hard luck eh ah right so people have to give up on independence because what you said so no no not gonna happen. Same old shite , same old shite from unionists education , NHS all failing in Scotland yet strange when you look at the UK as a whole on education and the NHS Scotland has the best record with both of them I see you buy into that Labour and Tory shite about lack of teachers yet you fail to see its councils that are incharge of getting teachers in its not the Scottish government that do that lol May 2017 SNP took over alot of councils give them time to sort the mess out that Labour left them in and not to mention the Labour PFI's that taxpayers will be paying off for years to come. Even Scotland's economy is far better than the UK's But yeah i know unionists love the too wee , too poor shite | |||
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"Please re-read the first paragraph you have not understood what has been written and gone off on a tangent, hence my assumption that you are uneducated! I am a teacher and my colleagues are leaving in droves, not due to Local Councils but due to the SNP''s policies on education and the constant changes to their so called Curriculum for Excellence." Ah right so your a teacher Then answer this which country in the UK has the best record in education ? | |||
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"Please re-read the first paragraph you have not understood what has been written and gone off on a tangent, hence my assumption that you are uneducated! I am a teacher and my colleagues are leaving in droves, not due to Local Councils but due to the SNP''s policies on education and the constant changes to their so called Curriculum for Excellence. Ah right so your a teacher Then answer this which country in the UK has the best record in education ? " You mean which region | |||
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"Please re-read the first paragraph you have not understood what has been written and gone off on a tangent, hence my assumption that you are uneducated! I am a teacher and my colleagues are leaving in droves, not due to Local Councils but due to the SNP''s policies on education and the constant changes to their so called Curriculum for Excellence. Ah right so your a teacher Then answer this which country in the UK has the best record in education ? You mean which region "No country. I am not like you i dont think so low of my own country to call it as region Also do you think the East Midlands is a region of England ? Do you wanna answer it or abstain ? | |||
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"Please re-read the first paragraph you have not understood what has been written and gone off on a tangent, hence my assumption that you are uneducated! I am a teacher and my colleagues are leaving in droves, not due to Local Councils but due to the SNP''s policies on education and the constant changes to their so called Curriculum for Excellence. Ah right so your a teacher Then answer this which country in the UK has the best record in education ? You mean which region
No country. I am not like you i dont think so low of my own country to call it as region
Also do you think the East Midlands is a region of England ?
Do you wanna answer it or abstain ? "It is used as a region sometimes for statistics...the same as Scotland is especially for education and other stuff...i gave you the examples of regions and you dismissed them like you also dismissed Wikipedia saying anyone can write on it...you need a reality check my friend | |||
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"Please re-read the first paragraph you have not understood what has been written and gone off on a tangent, hence my assumption that you are uneducated! I am a teacher and my colleagues are leaving in droves, not due to Local Councils but due to the SNP''s policies on education and the constant changes to their so called Curriculum for Excellence. Ah right so your a teacher Then answer this which country in the UK has the best record in education ? You mean which region
No country. I am not like you i dont think so low of my own country to call it as region
Also do you think the East Midlands is a region of England ?
Do you wanna answer it or abstain ? "What is your definition of a country OP? I gave you the internationally recognised one the other day, and you didn't like it! | |||
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"Please re-read the first paragraph you have not understood what has been written and gone off on a tangent, hence my assumption that you are uneducated! I am a teacher and my colleagues are leaving in droves, not due to Local Councils but due to the SNP''s policies on education and the constant changes to their so called Curriculum for Excellence. Ah right so your a teacher Then answer this which country in the UK has the best record in education ? You mean which region
No country. I am not like you i dont think so low of my own country to call it as region
Also do you think the East Midlands is a region of England ?
Do you wanna answer it or abstain ?
It is used as a region sometimes for statistics...the same as Scotland is especially for education and other stuff...i gave you the examples of regions and you dismissed them like you also dismissed Wikipedia saying anyone can write on it...you need a reality check my friend "Right so you are saying the East Midlands is a region of England? Lol Also which country in the UK has the best record in education ? | |||
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"Please re-read the first paragraph you have not understood what has been written and gone off on a tangent, hence my assumption that you are uneducated! I am a teacher and my colleagues are leaving in droves, not due to Local Councils but due to the SNP''s policies on education and the constant changes to their so called Curriculum for Excellence. Ah right so your a teacher Then answer this which country in the UK has the best record in education ? You mean which region
No country. I am not like you i dont think so low of my own country to call it as region
Also do you think the East Midlands is a region of England ?
Do you wanna answer it or abstain ?
It is used as a region sometimes for statistics...the same as Scotland is especially for education and other stuff...i gave you the examples of regions and you dismissed them like you also dismissed Wikipedia saying anyone can write on it...you need a reality check my friend
Right so you are saying the East Midlands is a region of England? Lol
Also which country in the UK has the best record in education ? "Cambridgeshire is a county in East Anglia, does that make East Anglia a country? | |||
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No country. I am not like you i dont think so low of my own country to call it as region
Also do you think the East Midlands is a region of England ?
Do you wanna answer it or abstain ?
It is used as a region sometimes for statistics...the same as Scotland is especially for education and other stuff...i gave you the examples of regions and you dismissed them like you also dismissed Wikipedia saying anyone can write on it...you need a reality check my friend
Right so you are saying the East Midlands is a region of England? Lol
Also which country in the UK has the best record in education ?
Cambridgeshire is a county in East Anglia, does that make East Anglia a country? "Nope Now mind answering my question Also which country in the UK has the best record in education ? | |||
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No country. I am not like you i dont think so low of my own country to call it as region
Also do you think the East Midlands is a region of England ?
Do you wanna answer it or abstain ?
It is used as a region sometimes for statistics...the same as Scotland is especially for education and other stuff...i gave you the examples of regions and you dismissed them like you also dismissed Wikipedia saying anyone can write on it...you need a reality check my friend
Right so you are saying the East Midlands is a region of England? Lol
Also which country in the UK has the best record in education ?
Cambridgeshire is a county in East Anglia, does that make East Anglia a country?
Nope
Now mind answering my question
Also which country in the UK has the best record in education ? "Pisa just has the UK as a single country. It's not broken down regionally. | |||
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"Please re-read the first paragraph you have not understood what has been written and gone off on a tangent, hence my assumption that you are uneducated! I am a teacher and my colleagues are leaving in droves, not due to Local Councils but due to the SNP''s policies on education and the constant changes to their so called Curriculum for Excellence. Ah right so your a teacher Then answer this which country in the UK has the best record in education ? You mean which region
No country. I am not like you i dont think so low of my own country to call it as region
Also do you think the East Midlands is a region of England ?
Do you wanna answer it or abstain ?
It is used as a region sometimes for statistics...the same as Scotland is especially for education and other stuff...i gave you the examples of regions and you dismissed them like you also dismissed Wikipedia saying anyone can write on it...you need a reality check my friend
Right so you are saying the East Midlands is a region of England? Lol
Also which country in the UK has the best record in education ?
Cambridgeshire is a county in East Anglia, does that make East Anglia a country?
Nope
Now mind answering my question
Also which country in the UK has the best record in education ?
Pisa just has the UK as a single country. It's not broken down regionally. "Yup that was a piss poor way of shitting yourself to answer go on try answering it Out of Scotland , England , Wales and N.Ireland which of them has the best record in education ? I know you are all afraid to answer it lol | |||
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"Please re-read the first paragraph you have not understood what has been written and gone off on a tangent, hence my assumption that you are uneducated! I am a teacher and my colleagues are leaving in droves, not due to Local Councils but due to the SNP''s policies on education and the constant changes to their so called Curriculum for Excellence. Ah right so your a teacher Then answer this which country in the UK has the best record in education ? You mean which region
No country. I am not like you i dont think so low of my own country to call it as region
Also do you think the East Midlands is a region of England ?
Do you wanna answer it or abstain ?
It is used as a region sometimes for statistics...the same as Scotland is especially for education and other stuff...i gave you the examples of regions and you dismissed them like you also dismissed Wikipedia saying anyone can write on it...you need a reality check my friend
Right so you are saying the East Midlands is a region of England? Lol
Also which country in the UK has the best record in education ?
Cambridgeshire is a county in East Anglia, does that make East Anglia a country?
Nope
Now mind answering my question
Also which country in the UK has the best record in education ?
Pisa just has the UK as a single country. It's not broken down regionally.
Yup that was a piss poor way of shitting yourself to answer go on try answering it
Out of Scotland , England , Wales and N.Ireland which of them has the best record in education ? I know you are all afraid to answer it lol "Sorry, my mistake, Pisa does data for the UK as a whole, as well as broken down into the constituent parts of the UK. Its broken down into 3 areas, maths, reading and science. Here are the most recent figures (Dec, 2016) MATHS: 493 England & NI 491 Scotland 478 Wales READING: 500 England 497 NI 493 Scotland 477 Wales SCIENCE 512 England 500 NI 497 Scotland 485 Wales So in a UK ranking that would put England with the greatest ranking, followed by Northern Ireland, then Scotland, then Wales. To be honest, I'm not quite sure why exactly you have laboured the point so much about England and Northern Ireland having better educational ratings than Scotland. But I do have to give credit where credit is due. The number of people achieving Scottish Highers is much greater in Scotland, than the rest of the UK combined.
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"Please re-read the first paragraph you have not understood what has been written and gone off on a tangent, hence my assumption that you are uneducated! I am a teacher and my colleagues are leaving in droves, not due to Local Councils but due to the SNP''s policies on education and the constant changes to their so called Curriculum for Excellence. Ah right so your a teacher Then answer this which country in the UK has the best record in education ? You mean which region
No country. I am not like you i dont think so low of my own country to call it as region
Also do you think the East Midlands is a region of England ?
Do you wanna answer it or abstain ?
It is used as a region sometimes for statistics...the same as Scotland is especially for education and other stuff...i gave you the examples of regions and you dismissed them like you also dismissed Wikipedia saying anyone can write on it...you need a reality check my friend
Right so you are saying the East Midlands is a region of England? Lol
Also which country in the UK has the best record in education ?
Cambridgeshire is a county in East Anglia, does that make East Anglia a country?
Nope
Now mind answering my question
Also which country in the UK has the best record in education ?
Pisa just has the UK as a single country. It's not broken down regionally.
Yup that was a piss poor way of shitting yourself to answer go on try answering it
Out of Scotland , England , Wales and N.Ireland which of them has the best record in education ? I know you are all afraid to answer it lol
Sorry, my mistake, Pisa does data for the UK as a whole, as well as broken down into the constituent parts of the UK.
Its broken down into 3 areas, maths, reading and science. Here are the most recent figures (Dec, 2016)
MATHS:
493 England & NI
491 Scotland
478 Wales
READING:
500 England
497 NI
493 Scotland
477 Wales
SCIENCE
512 England
500 NI
497 Scotland
485 Wales
So in a UK ranking that would put England with the greatest ranking, followed by Northern Ireland, then Scotland, then Wales.
To be honest, I'm not quite sure why exactly you have laboured the point so much about England and Northern Ireland having better educational ratings than Scotland.
But I do have to give credit where credit is due. The number of people achieving Scottish Highers is much greater in Scotland, than the rest of the UK combined.
[Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-38208738]"The shocking thing is, Scotland's was higher in each of those 3 categories before the SNP came to power iirc | |||
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"Please re-read the first paragraph you have not understood what has been written and gone off on a tangent, hence my assumption that you are uneducated! I am a teacher and my colleagues are leaving in droves, not due to Local Councils but due to the SNP''s policies on education and the constant changes to their so called Curriculum for Excellence. Ah right so your a teacher Then answer this which country in the UK has the best record in education ? You mean which region
No country. I am not like you i dont think so low of my own country to call it as region
Also do you think the East Midlands is a region of England ?
Do you wanna answer it or abstain ?
It is used as a region sometimes for statistics...the same as Scotland is especially for education and other stuff...i gave you the examples of regions and you dismissed them like you also dismissed Wikipedia saying anyone can write on it...you need a reality check my friend
Right so you are saying the East Midlands is a region of England? Lol
Also which country in the UK has the best record in education ?
Cambridgeshire is a county in East Anglia, does that make East Anglia a country?
Nope
Now mind answering my question
Also which country in the UK has the best record in education ?
Pisa just has the UK as a single country. It's not broken down regionally.
Yup that was a piss poor way of shitting yourself to answer go on try answering it
Out of Scotland , England , Wales and N.Ireland which of them has the best record in education ? I know you are all afraid to answer it lol
Sorry, my mistake, Pisa does data for the UK as a whole, as well as broken down into the constituent parts of the UK.
Its broken down into 3 areas, maths, reading and science. Here are the most recent figures (Dec, 2016)
MATHS:
493 England & NI
491 Scotland
478 Wales
READING:
500 England
497 NI
493 Scotland
477 Wales
SCIENCE
512 England
500 NI
497 Scotland
485 Wales
So in a UK ranking that would put England with the greatest ranking, followed by Northern Ireland, then Scotland, then Wales.
To be honest, I'm not quite sure why exactly you have laboured the point so much about England and Northern Ireland having better educational ratings than Scotland.
But I do have to give credit where credit is due. The number of people achieving Scottish Highers is much greater in Scotland, than the rest of the UK combined.
[Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-38208738]
The shocking thing is, Scotland's was higher in each of those 3 categories before the SNP came to power iirc"How come kinky is answering posts on other threads, but hasn't come back to this one? | |||
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"Please re-read the first paragraph you have not understood what has been written and gone off on a tangent, hence my assumption that you are uneducated! I am a teacher and my colleagues are leaving in droves, not due to Local Councils but due to the SNP''s policies on education and the constant changes to their so called Curriculum for Excellence. Ah right so your a teacher Then answer this which country in the UK has the best record in education ? You mean which region
No country. I am not like you i dont think so low of my own country to call it as region
Also do you think the East Midlands is a region of England ?
Do you wanna answer it or abstain ?
It is used as a region sometimes for statistics...the same as Scotland is especially for education and other stuff...i gave you the examples of regions and you dismissed them like you also dismissed Wikipedia saying anyone can write on it...you need a reality check my friend
Right so you are saying the East Midlands is a region of England? Lol
Also which country in the UK has the best record in education ?
Cambridgeshire is a county in East Anglia, does that make East Anglia a country?
Nope
Now mind answering my question
Also which country in the UK has the best record in education ?
Pisa just has the UK as a single country. It's not broken down regionally.
Yup that was a piss poor way of shitting yourself to answer go on try answering it
Out of Scotland , England , Wales and N.Ireland which of them has the best record in education ? I know you are all afraid to answer it lol
Sorry, my mistake, Pisa does data for the UK as a whole, as well as broken down into the constituent parts of the UK.
Its broken down into 3 areas, maths, reading and science. Here are the most recent figures (Dec, 2016)
MATHS:
493 England & NI
491 Scotland
478 Wales
READING:
500 England
497 NI
493 Scotland
477 Wales
SCIENCE
512 England
500 NI
497 Scotland
485 Wales
So in a UK ranking that would put England with the greatest ranking, followed by Northern Ireland, then Scotland, then Wales.
To be honest, I'm not quite sure why exactly you have laboured the point so much about England and Northern Ireland having better educational ratings than Scotland.
But I do have to give credit where credit is due. The number of people achieving Scottish Highers is much greater in Scotland, than the rest of the UK combined.
[Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-38208738]
The shocking thing is, Scotland's was higher in each of those 3 categories before the SNP came to power iirc
How come kinky is answering posts on other threads, but hasn't come back to this one? "Jesus Christ now demanding when i should answer posts claim the doon get a hot chocolate in you lol | |||
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"Please re-read the first paragraph you have not understood what has been written and gone off on a tangent, hence my assumption that you are uneducated! I am a teacher and my colleagues are leaving in droves, not due to Local Councils but due to the SNP''s policies on education and the constant changes to their so called Curriculum for Excellence. Ah right so your a teacher Then answer this which country in the UK has the best record in education ? You mean which region
No country. I am not like you i dont think so low of my own country to call it as region
Also do you think the East Midlands is a region of England ?
Do you wanna answer it or abstain ?
It is used as a region sometimes for statistics...the same as Scotland is especially for education and other stuff...i gave you the examples of regions and you dismissed them like you also dismissed Wikipedia saying anyone can write on it...you need a reality check my friend
Right so you are saying the East Midlands is a region of England? Lol
Also which country in the UK has the best record in education ?
Cambridgeshire is a county in East Anglia, does that make East Anglia a country?
Nope
Now mind answering my question
Also which country in the UK has the best record in education ?
Pisa just has the UK as a single country. It's not broken down regionally.
Yup that was a piss poor way of shitting yourself to answer go on try answering it
Out of Scotland , England , Wales and N.Ireland which of them has the best record in education ? I know you are all afraid to answer it lol
Sorry, my mistake, Pisa does data for the UK as a whole, as well as broken down into the constituent parts of the UK.
Its broken down into 3 areas, maths, reading and science. Here are the most recent figures (Dec, 2016)
MATHS:
493 England & NI
491 Scotland
478 Wales
READING:
500 England
497 NI
493 Scotland
477 Wales
SCIENCE
512 England
500 NI
497 Scotland
485 Wales
So in a UK ranking that would put England with the greatest ranking, followed by Northern Ireland, then Scotland, then Wales.
To be honest, I'm not quite sure why exactly you have laboured the point so much about England and Northern Ireland having better educational ratings than Scotland.
But I do have to give credit where credit is due. The number of people achieving Scottish Highers is much greater in Scotland, than the rest of the UK combined.
[Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-38208738]
The shocking thing is, Scotland's was higher in each of those 3 categories before the SNP came to power iirc
How come kinky is answering posts on other threads, but hasn't come back to this one?
Jesus Christ now demanding when i should answer posts claim the doon get a hot chocolate in you lol
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"What planet are you living on your rants are unbelievable no wonder the SNP will be gone soon with supporters like you....
Define gone soon ?
SNP - 2007
SNP - 2011
SNP - 2015
SNP - 2016
SNP- 2017
Not a bad record for a party that people seem to think is doing everything wrong sadly for you the voters dont agree with you.
What does it say about the unionist branch offices in Scotland if unionists think the SNP are that bad the unionist branches cant win majorities in elections in Scotland lol
20,000+ SNP members now bigger than the Tories what does that tell you. hehehe
"All it needs is a 4 % swing to Labour and the snp majority is finished. Pete wishart held on by 21 votes !! Gethin by two recounts !!! Labour is far from finished in Scotland !!!! | |||
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" Simply shut the BBC down and save people £147 and giving Scotland full devolved power of broadcasting where we get to decide what goes on our telly and get full Scottish news instead of hearing non news stories from England and no thats not me being anti English before that bullshit comes up thats me just wanting to hear news in Scotland. Oh of interest Fabio do you think Scotland has Home Rule ? Should it be delivered to Scotland as that was the promise in 2014 correct ? Doesnt matter which party is in government in Westminster all three of the unionist parties choose to join in the Better Together and each of them put forward pledges to give to Scotland should it vote no to independence you cant take back a promise just cause you feel like it. i am sorry that you find the concept of getting national news followed by local news really offending.... its not like thats how they do it in most countries.....
on the getting rid of the bbc and then using that money to produce local programming.... you do realise what you are saying is "get rid of the bbc and use the money for some sort of "national" broadcasting communication company.... you mean, like, the BBC!!!!
with regards to "home rule"..... you basically already have it as most of the things that you use in the real world are already governed from holyrood......
so if you can tell me how any of the things on your list can be improved by having them centralised from holyrood... I'm all ears....
so rather than dotting out the list.... you tell us what different it would make to you having them......."I have to say it is only the snats that have a grievance against the BBC. I do watch many forgien channels for my news as well. Indy ref one failure was all the BBC fault if you do listen to the snats  | |||
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"What planet are you living on your rants are unbelievable no wonder the SNP will be gone soon with supporters like you....
Define gone soon ?
SNP - 2007
SNP - 2011
SNP - 2015
SNP - 2016
SNP- 2017
Not a bad record for a party that people seem to think is doing everything wrong sadly for you the voters dont agree with you.
What does it say about the unionist branch offices in Scotland if unionists think the SNP are that bad the unionist branches cant win majorities in elections in Scotland lol
20,000+ SNP members now bigger than the Tories what does that tell you. hehehe
All it needs is a 4 % swing to Labour and the snp majority is finished.
Pete wishart held on by 21 votes !!
Gethin by two recounts !!!
Labour is far from finished in Scotland !!!!"So will it be Anas Sarwar or Richard Leonard to take off the branch office that will bring Labour back eh ? Dont you know people in Scotland cant vote Corbyn and even that Corbyn doesnt know Scotland has its own legal system thats a fucking embarrassment thats nothing to be proud of. | |||
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" Simply shut the BBC down and save people £147 and giving Scotland full devolved power of broadcasting where we get to decide what goes on our telly and get full Scottish news instead of hearing non news stories from England and no thats not me being anti English before that bullshit comes up thats me just wanting to hear news in Scotland. Oh of interest Fabio do you think Scotland has Home Rule ? Should it be delivered to Scotland as that was the promise in 2014 correct ? Doesnt matter which party is in government in Westminster all three of the unionist parties choose to join in the Better Together and each of them put forward pledges to give to Scotland should it vote no to independence you cant take back a promise just cause you feel like it. i am sorry that you find the concept of getting national news followed by local news really offending.... its not like thats how they do it in most countries.....
on the getting rid of the bbc and then using that money to produce local programming.... you do realise what you are saying is "get rid of the bbc and use the money for some sort of "national" broadcasting communication company.... you mean, like, the BBC!!!!
with regards to "home rule"..... you basically already have it as most of the things that you use in the real world are already governed from holyrood......
so if you can tell me how any of the things on your list can be improved by having them centralised from holyrood... I'm all ears....
so rather than dotting out the list.... you tell us what different it would make to you having them.......
I have to say it is only the snats that have a grievance against the BBC.
I do watch many forgien channels for my news as well.
Indy ref one failure was all the BBC fault if you do listen to the snats "Ah right so you claim its only pro independence supporters that have a problem with the BBC eh ? Wrong then why are people in England , Wales and N.Ireland cancelling their licenese ? More fool you in paying £147 for shite tv cancel it and spent it on better things Oh spooky goons will get you with their vans spying on people lmao! | |||
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"We have Home rule, do you mean Independence and yes l know who Kier Hardie is Really so you think Home Rule was delivered to Scotland ? When do you think that was delivered ? Can you tell me out of the Scotland bill how many powers did Labour want to devolve to Scotland ? I am a bit confussed! !! Who promised home rule for Scotland ???" Better Together Dont tell me your gonna pull that crap that Labour members were not apart of Better Together ? Gordon Brown said Labour were putting Home Rule forward as a promise if Scotland voted Home Rule. Unionists celar couldnt give a fuck about promises being broke what cause you won and kept the union together those promises mean fuck all now Mind you that doesnt shock me that the pro hardcore unionists dont care about promises its the union at any cost hell even willing for Scotland to take damage by being dragged out of the EU and single market after being told a no vote will keep your membership of the EU but unionists dont care its the UK at any cost Where are all the unionists challenging the Tories to release the documents to see if the Tories know that Scotland and the North of England will be hit the worse because of brexit oh wait they dont care i wouldnt be surprised if they were part of that poll that said they would be quite happy to take damage to the UK ecomony just so you can all shout out that you have left the EU not very caring of your fellow citizens eh Its the alright jack shit as long as your ok you dont give a fuck about others thats the way the UK works | |||
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"We have Home rule, do you mean Independence and yes l know who Kier Hardie is Really so you think Home Rule was delivered to Scotland ? When do you think that was delivered ? Can you tell me out of the Scotland bill how many powers did Labour want to devolve to Scotland ? I am a bit confussed! !! Who promised home rule for Scotland ??? Better Together Dont tell me your gonna pull that crap that Labour members were not apart of Better Together ? Gordon Brown said Labour were putting Home Rule forward as a promise if Scotland voted Home Rule. Unionists celar couldnt give a fuck about promises being broke what cause you won and kept the union together those promises mean fuck all now Mind you that doesnt shock me that the pro hardcore unionists dont care about promises its the union at any cost hell even willing for Scotland to take damage by being dragged out of the EU and single market after being told a no vote will keep your membership of the EU but unionists dont care its the UK at any cost Where are all the unionists challenging the Tories to release the documents to see if the Tories know that Scotland and the North of England will be hit the worse because of brexit oh wait they dont care i wouldnt be surprised if they were part of that poll that said they would be quite happy to take damage to the UK ecomony just so you can all shout out that you have left the EU not very caring of your fellow citizens eh Its the alright jack shit as long as your ok you dont give a fuck about others thats the way the UK works " Gordon Brown ???? | |||
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"We have Home rule, do you mean Independence and yes l know who Kier Hardie is Really so you think Home Rule was delivered to Scotland ? When do you think that was delivered ? Can you tell me out of the Scotland bill how many powers did Labour want to devolve to Scotland ? I am a bit confussed! !! Who promised home rule for Scotland ??? Better Together Dont tell me your gonna pull that crap that Labour members were not apart of Better Together ? Gordon Brown said Labour were putting Home Rule forward as a promise if Scotland voted Home Rule. Unionists celar couldnt give a fuck about promises being broke what cause you won and kept the union together those promises mean fuck all now Mind you that doesnt shock me that the pro hardcore unionists dont care about promises its the union at any cost hell even willing for Scotland to take damage by being dragged out of the EU and single market after being told a no vote will keep your membership of the EU but unionists dont care its the UK at any cost Where are all the unionists challenging the Tories to release the documents to see if the Tories know that Scotland and the North of England will be hit the worse because of brexit oh wait they dont care i wouldnt be surprised if they were part of that poll that said they would be quite happy to take damage to the UK ecomony just so you can all shout out that you have left the EU not very caring of your fellow citizens eh Its the alright jack shit as long as your ok you dont give a fuck about others thats the way the UK works Gordon Brown ????" Yup so let me get this right are you saying its ok to break a promise ? | |||
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"which country in the UK has the best record in education ?" OP, which one has the best record on education? | |||
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"which country in the UK has the best record in education ? OP, which one has the best record on education? " Scotland there you go i answered it. Stop trying to put education down in Scotland pupils have had a record amount of passes in Scotland i am fucking glad education is free in Scotland where you dont have to pay for an education that should be free for every child and where students dont have to rack up huge debts Oh am waiting on it someone saying Labour will scrap tution fees with Corbyn is charge but fail to see Labour in Wales increased it tut tut What next you gonna blame the SNP for teacher shortages in Scotland ? Lol Oh wait that would be councils that are incharge of that and that was a problem back before May 2017 and SNP only took charge of councils in May 2017 but that will be all SNP fault eh and fuck all to do with Labour mess ? | |||
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"We have Home rule, do you mean Independence and yes l know who Kier Hardie is Really so you think Home Rule was delivered to Scotland ? When do you think that was delivered ? Can you tell me out of the Scotland bill how many powers did Labour want to devolve to Scotland ? I am a bit confussed! !! Who promised home rule for Scotland ??? Better Together Dont tell me your gonna pull that crap that Labour members were not apart of Better Together ? Gordon Brown said Labour were putting Home Rule forward as a promise if Scotland voted Home Rule. Unionists celar couldnt give a fuck about promises being broke what cause you won and kept the union together those promises mean fuck all now Mind you that doesnt shock me that the pro hardcore unionists dont care about promises its the union at any cost hell even willing for Scotland to take damage by being dragged out of the EU and single market after being told a no vote will keep your membership of the EU but unionists dont care its the UK at any cost Where are all the unionists challenging the Tories to release the documents to see if the Tories know that Scotland and the North of England will be hit the worse because of brexit oh wait they dont care i wouldnt be surprised if they were part of that poll that said they would be quite happy to take damage to the UK ecomony just so you can all shout out that you have left the EU not very caring of your fellow citizens eh Its the alright jack shit as long as your ok you dont give a fuck about others thats the way the UK works Gordon Brown ???? Yup so let me get this right are you saying its ok to break a promise ? " Hes not in power and hasnt been since 2010 | |||
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"We have Home rule, do you mean Independence and yes l know who Kier Hardie is Really so you think Home Rule was delivered to Scotland ? When do you think that was delivered ? Can you tell me out of the Scotland bill how many powers did Labour want to devolve to Scotland ? I am a bit confussed! !! Who promised home rule for Scotland ??? Better Together Dont tell me your gonna pull that crap that Labour members were not apart of Better Together ? Gordon Brown said Labour were putting Home Rule forward as a promise if Scotland voted Home Rule. Unionists celar couldnt give a fuck about promises being broke what cause you won and kept the union together those promises mean fuck all now Mind you that doesnt shock me that the pro hardcore unionists dont care about promises its the union at any cost hell even willing for Scotland to take damage by being dragged out of the EU and single market after being told a no vote will keep your membership of the EU but unionists dont care its the UK at any cost Where are all the unionists challenging the Tories to release the documents to see if the Tories know that Scotland and the North of England will be hit the worse because of brexit oh wait they dont care i wouldnt be surprised if they were part of that poll that said they would be quite happy to take damage to the UK ecomony just so you can all shout out that you have left the EU not very caring of your fellow citizens eh Its the alright jack shit as long as your ok you dont give a fuck about others thats the way the UK works Gordon Brown ???? Yup so let me get this right are you saying its ok to break a promise ? Hes not in power and hasnt been since 2010 "Yes i know this but you honestly trying to deny he didnt say it ? So you are you saying its ok to break a promise ? Doesnt matter a jot who is in Government there was no parties in 2014 just a yes and no side and part of that no side promised Scotland Home Rule if Scotland voted no so again are you saying its ok to break promises ? | |||
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"We have Home rule, do you mean Independence and yes l know who Kier Hardie is Really so you think Home Rule was delivered to Scotland ? When do you think that was delivered ? Can you tell me out of the Scotland bill how many powers did Labour want to devolve to Scotland ? I am a bit confussed! !! Who promised home rule for Scotland ??? Better Together Dont tell me your gonna pull that crap that Labour members were not apart of Better Together ? Gordon Brown said Labour were putting Home Rule forward as a promise if Scotland voted Home Rule. Unionists celar couldnt give a fuck about promises being broke what cause you won and kept the union together those promises mean fuck all now Mind you that doesnt shock me that the pro hardcore unionists dont care about promises its the union at any cost hell even willing for Scotland to take damage by being dragged out of the EU and single market after being told a no vote will keep your membership of the EU but unionists dont care its the UK at any cost Where are all the unionists challenging the Tories to release the documents to see if the Tories know that Scotland and the North of England will be hit the worse because of brexit oh wait they dont care i wouldnt be surprised if they were part of that poll that said they would be quite happy to take damage to the UK ecomony just so you can all shout out that you have left the EU not very caring of your fellow citizens eh Its the alright jack shit as long as your ok you dont give a fuck about others thats the way the UK works Gordon Brown ???? Yup so let me get this right are you saying its ok to break a promise ? Hes not in power and hasnt been since 2010
Yes i know this but you honestly trying to deny he didnt say it ?
So you are you saying its ok to break a promise ? Doesnt matter a jot who is in Government there was no parties in 2014 just a yes and no side and part of that no side promised Scotland Home Rule if Scotland voted no so again are you saying its ok to break promises ? "How can he promise anything if hes not in power...if you believed him along with your SNP mates then your more stupid than i thought you were | |||
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"which country in the UK has the best record in education ? OP, which one has the best record on education? Scotland there you go i answered it. Stop trying to put education down in Scotland pupils have had a record amount of passes in Scotland i am fucking glad education is free in Scotland where you dont have to pay for an education that should be free for every child and where students dont have to rack up huge debts Oh am waiting on it someone saying Labour will scrap tution fees with Corbyn is charge but fail to see Labour in Wales increased it tut tut What next you gonna blame the SNP for teacher shortages in Scotland ? Lol Oh wait that would be councils that are incharge of that and that was a problem back before May 2017 and SNP only took charge of councils in May 2017 but that will be all SNP fault eh and fuck all to do with Labour mess ? " But the independent international assessment said that England and Northern Ireland got better results than Scotland. Why are you trying to out England and Northern Ireland down when they out performed Scotland? | |||
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"We have Home rule, do you mean Independence and yes l know who Kier Hardie is Really so you think Home Rule was delivered to Scotland ? When do you think that was delivered ? Can you tell me out of the Scotland bill how many powers did Labour want to devolve to Scotland ? I am a bit confussed! !! Who promised home rule for Scotland ??? Better Together Dont tell me your gonna pull that crap that Labour members were not apart of Better Together ? Gordon Brown said Labour were putting Home Rule forward as a promise if Scotland voted Home Rule. Unionists celar couldnt give a fuck about promises being broke what cause you won and kept the union together those promises mean fuck all now Mind you that doesnt shock me that the pro hardcore unionists dont care about promises its the union at any cost hell even willing for Scotland to take damage by being dragged out of the EU and single market after being told a no vote will keep your membership of the EU but unionists dont care its the UK at any cost Where are all the unionists challenging the Tories to release the documents to see if the Tories know that Scotland and the North of England will be hit the worse because of brexit oh wait they dont care i wouldnt be surprised if they were part of that poll that said they would be quite happy to take damage to the UK ecomony just so you can all shout out that you have left the EU not very caring of your fellow citizens eh Its the alright jack shit as long as your ok you dont give a fuck about others thats the way the UK works Gordon Brown ???? Yup so let me get this right are you saying its ok to break a promise ? Hes not in power and hasnt been since 2010
Yes i know this but you honestly trying to deny he didnt say it ?
So you are you saying its ok to break a promise ? Doesnt matter a jot who is in Government there was no parties in 2014 just a yes and no side and part of that no side promised Scotland Home Rule if Scotland voted no so again are you saying its ok to break promises ?
How can he promise anything if hes not in power...if you believed him along with your SNP mates then your more stupid than i thought you were "Erm was he not part of the NO camp ? You now denying he said Scotland will get Home Rule if it voted no ? You seem to be shitting out answering my question lol So you are you saying its ok to break a promise ? Again doesnt matter who is in government there was no parties in 2014 just a yes and no side and the no said promised Home Rule so by your lack of answer i will take that is your saying is ok to break promises to get what you want shame on you | |||
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"which country in the UK has the best record in education ? OP, which one has the best record on education? Scotland there you go i answered it. Stop trying to put education down in Scotland pupils have had a record amount of passes in Scotland i am fucking glad education is free in Scotland where you dont have to pay for an education that should be free for every child and where students dont have to rack up huge debts Oh am waiting on it someone saying Labour will scrap tution fees with Corbyn is charge but fail to see Labour in Wales increased it tut tut What next you gonna blame the SNP for teacher shortages in Scotland ? Lol Oh wait that would be councils that are incharge of that and that was a problem back before May 2017 and SNP only took charge of councils in May 2017 but that will be all SNP fault eh and fuck all to do with Labour mess ? But the independent international assessment said that England and Northern Ireland got better results than Scotland. Why are you trying to out England and Northern Ireland down when they out performed Scotland? " Ah right so you think the Tories are doing much better that the SNP with education lmao!!!! 2010 Tories elected into government and yet to met a fucking target nothing to be proud of. Next thing you will be telling me the English NHS has a better record than the Scottish NHS lmao | |||
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"We have Home rule, do you mean Independence and yes l know who Kier Hardie is Really so you think Home Rule was delivered to Scotland ? When do you think that was delivered ? Can you tell me out of the Scotland bill how many powers did Labour want to devolve to Scotland ? I am a bit confussed! !! Who promised home rule for Scotland ??? Better Together Dont tell me your gonna pull that crap that Labour members were not apart of Better Together ? Gordon Brown said Labour were putting Home Rule forward as a promise if Scotland voted Home Rule. Unionists celar couldnt give a fuck about promises being broke what cause you won and kept the union together those promises mean fuck all now Mind you that doesnt shock me that the pro hardcore unionists dont care about promises its the union at any cost hell even willing for Scotland to take damage by being dragged out of the EU and single market after being told a no vote will keep your membership of the EU but unionists dont care its the UK at any cost Where are all the unionists challenging the Tories to release the documents to see if the Tories know that Scotland and the North of England will be hit the worse because of brexit oh wait they dont care i wouldnt be surprised if they were part of that poll that said they would be quite happy to take damage to the UK ecomony just so you can all shout out that you have left the EU not very caring of your fellow citizens eh Its the alright jack shit as long as your ok you dont give a fuck about others thats the way the UK works Gordon Brown ???? Yup so let me get this right are you saying its ok to break a promise ? Hes not in power and hasnt been since 2010
Yes i know this but you honestly trying to deny he didnt say it ?
So you are you saying its ok to break a promise ? Doesnt matter a jot who is in Government there was no parties in 2014 just a yes and no side and part of that no side promised Scotland Home Rule if Scotland voted no so again are you saying its ok to break promises ?
How can he promise anything if hes not in power...if you believed him along with your SNP mates then your more stupid than i thought you were
Erm was he not part of the NO camp ? You now denying he said Scotland will get Home Rule if it voted no ?
You seem to be shitting out answering my question lol So you are you saying its ok to break a promise ?
Again doesnt matter who is in government there was no parties in 2014 just a yes and no side and the no said promised Home Rule so by your lack of answer i will take that is your saying is ok to break promises to get what you want shame on you
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"We have Home rule, do you mean Independence and yes l know who Kier Hardie is Really so you think Home Rule was delivered to Scotland ? When do you think that was delivered ? Can you tell me out of the Scotland bill how many powers did Labour want to devolve to Scotland ? I am a bit confussed! !! Who promised home rule for Scotland ??? Better Together Dont tell me your gonna pull that crap that Labour members were not apart of Better Together ? Gordon Brown said Labour were putting Home Rule forward as a promise if Scotland voted Home Rule. Unionists celar couldnt give a fuck about promises being broke what cause you won and kept the union together those promises mean fuck all now Mind you that doesnt shock me that the pro hardcore unionists dont care about promises its the union at any cost hell even willing for Scotland to take damage by being dragged out of the EU and single market after being told a no vote will keep your membership of the EU but unionists dont care its the UK at any cost Where are all the unionists challenging the Tories to release the documents to see if the Tories know that Scotland and the North of England will be hit the worse because of brexit oh wait they dont care i wouldnt be surprised if they were part of that poll that said they would be quite happy to take damage to the UK ecomony just so you can all shout out that you have left the EU not very caring of your fellow citizens eh Its the alright jack shit as long as your ok you dont give a fuck about others thats the way the UK works Gordon Brown ???? Yup so let me get this right are you saying its ok to break a promise ? Hes not in power and hasnt been since 2010
Yes i know this but you honestly trying to deny he didnt say it ?
So you are you saying its ok to break a promise ? Doesnt matter a jot who is in Government there was no parties in 2014 just a yes and no side and part of that no side promised Scotland Home Rule if Scotland voted no so again are you saying its ok to break promises ?
How can he promise anything if hes not in power...if you believed him along with your SNP mates then your more stupid than i thought you were
Erm was he not part of the NO camp ? You now denying he said Scotland will get Home Rule if it voted no ?
You seem to be shitting out answering my question lol So you are you saying its ok to break a promise ?
Again doesnt matter who is in government there was no parties in 2014 just a yes and no side and the no said promised Home Rule so by your lack of answer i will take that is your saying is ok to break promises to get what you want shame on you
We all get taken in by lies from politicians look at Nige and Boris down here....stupid people get taken in by them "Wow so what your saying is everyone that voted no to Scottish independence were all taken in by lies and then calling them stupid thats not nice lol | |||
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"We have Home rule, do you mean Independence and yes l know who Kier Hardie is Really so you think Home Rule was delivered to Scotland ? When do you think that was delivered ? Can you tell me out of the Scotland bill how many powers did Labour want to devolve to Scotland ? I am a bit confussed! !! Who promised home rule for Scotland ??? Better Together Dont tell me your gonna pull that crap that Labour members were not apart of Better Together ? Gordon Brown said Labour were putting Home Rule forward as a promise if Scotland voted Home Rule. Unionists celar couldnt give a fuck about promises being broke what cause you won and kept the union together those promises mean fuck all now Mind you that doesnt shock me that the pro hardcore unionists dont care about promises its the union at any cost hell even willing for Scotland to take damage by being dragged out of the EU and single market after being told a no vote will keep your membership of the EU but unionists dont care its the UK at any cost Where are all the unionists challenging the Tories to release the documents to see if the Tories know that Scotland and the North of England will be hit the worse because of brexit oh wait they dont care i wouldnt be surprised if they were part of that poll that said they would be quite happy to take damage to the UK ecomony just so you can all shout out that you have left the EU not very caring of your fellow citizens eh Its the alright jack shit as long as your ok you dont give a fuck about others thats the way the UK works Gordon Brown ???? Yup so let me get this right are you saying its ok to break a promise ? Hes not in power and hasnt been since 2010
Yes i know this but you honestly trying to deny he didnt say it ?
So you are you saying its ok to break a promise ? Doesnt matter a jot who is in Government there was no parties in 2014 just a yes and no side and part of that no side promised Scotland Home Rule if Scotland voted no so again are you saying its ok to break promises ?
How can he promise anything if hes not in power...if you believed him along with your SNP mates then your more stupid than i thought you were
Erm was he not part of the NO camp ? You now denying he said Scotland will get Home Rule if it voted no ?
You seem to be shitting out answering my question lol So you are you saying its ok to break a promise ?
Again doesnt matter who is in government there was no parties in 2014 just a yes and no side and the no said promised Home Rule so by your lack of answer i will take that is your saying is ok to break promises to get what you want shame on you
We all get taken in by lies from politicians look at Nige and Boris down here....stupid people get taken in by them
Wow so what your saying is everyone that voted no to Scottish independence were all taken in by lies and then calling them stupid thats not nice lol
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"I was born in Scotland, grew up there and live thers now. I'm British. Scottish independence takes away my nationality. I want a british government ruling, witb British laws and institutions or failibg that a European one. I would never vote for Scottish Labour, if it was British Labour maybe. We have more than enough home rule. Its a made idea in the 1st place, bring on united states of Earth" You will still be British even if Scotland were to become an independent country the island is not going to split apart all that will end is the UK union lol | |||
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"We have Home rule, do you mean Independence and yes l know who Kier Hardie is Really so you think Home Rule was delivered to Scotland ? When do you think that was delivered ? Can you tell me out of the Scotland bill how many powers did Labour want to devolve to Scotland ? I am a bit confussed! !! Who promised home rule for Scotland ??? Better Together Dont tell me your gonna pull that crap that Labour members were not apart of Better Together ? Gordon Brown said Labour were putting Home Rule forward as a promise if Scotland voted Home Rule. Unionists celar couldnt give a fuck about promises being broke what cause you won and kept the union together those promises mean fuck all now Mind you that doesnt shock me that the pro hardcore unionists dont care about promises its the union at any cost hell even willing for Scotland to take damage by being dragged out of the EU and single market after being told a no vote will keep your membership of the EU but unionists dont care its the UK at any cost Where are all the unionists challenging the Tories to release the documents to see if the Tories know that Scotland and the North of England will be hit the worse because of brexit oh wait they dont care i wouldnt be surprised if they were part of that poll that said they would be quite happy to take damage to the UK ecomony just so you can all shout out that you have left the EU not very caring of your fellow citizens eh Its the alright jack shit as long as your ok you dont give a fuck about others thats the way the UK works Gordon Brown ???? Yup so let me get this right are you saying its ok to break a promise ? Hes not in power and hasnt been since 2010
Yes i know this but you honestly trying to deny he didnt say it ?
So you are you saying its ok to break a promise ? Doesnt matter a jot who is in Government there was no parties in 2014 just a yes and no side and part of that no side promised Scotland Home Rule if Scotland voted no so again are you saying its ok to break promises ?
How can he promise anything if hes not in power...if you believed him along with your SNP mates then your more stupid than i thought you were
Erm was he not part of the NO camp ? You now denying he said Scotland will get Home Rule if it voted no ?
You seem to be shitting out answering my question lol So you are you saying its ok to break a promise ?
Again doesnt matter who is in government there was no parties in 2014 just a yes and no side and the no said promised Home Rule so by your lack of answer i will take that is your saying is ok to break promises to get what you want shame on you
We all get taken in by lies from politicians look at Nige and Boris down here....stupid people get taken in by them
Wow so what your saying is everyone that voted no to Scottish independence were all taken in by lies and then calling them stupid thats not nice lol
Basically yes if those promises were made....the same as im calling people stupid here on the promises Nige and Boris made....some people believe it or not do make informed decisions based on the facts...if the government in power at the time never said it.....then its not a truth and they were taken in "Well done for calling people that voted no to Scottish independence thick fuckers eh lol There was no parties in 2014 just a yes and no side and the no side promised Home Rule now it doesnt matter which party is in government they have a duty to deliver on what they said. But that was a belter calling people that voted no that they were lied too and that they are stupid lol | |||
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"We have Home rule, do you mean Independence and yes l know who Kier Hardie is Really so you think Home Rule was delivered to Scotland ? When do you think that was delivered ? Can you tell me out of the Scotland bill how many powers did Labour want to devolve to Scotland ? I am a bit confussed! !! Who promised home rule for Scotland ??? Better Together Dont tell me your gonna pull that crap that Labour members were not apart of Better Together ? Gordon Brown said Labour were putting Home Rule forward as a promise if Scotland voted Home Rule. Unionists celar couldnt give a fuck about promises being broke what cause you won and kept the union together those promises mean fuck all now Mind you that doesnt shock me that the pro hardcore unionists dont care about promises its the union at any cost hell even willing for Scotland to take damage by being dragged out of the EU and single market after being told a no vote will keep your membership of the EU but unionists dont care its the UK at any cost Where are all the unionists challenging the Tories to release the documents to see if the Tories know that Scotland and the North of England will be hit the worse because of brexit oh wait they dont care i wouldnt be surprised if they were part of that poll that said they would be quite happy to take damage to the UK ecomony just so you can all shout out that you have left the EU not very caring of your fellow citizens eh Its the alright jack shit as long as your ok you dont give a fuck about others thats the way the UK works Gordon Brown ???? Yup so let me get this right are you saying its ok to break a promise ? Hes not in power and hasnt been since 2010
Yes i know this but you honestly trying to deny he didnt say it ?
So you are you saying its ok to break a promise ? Doesnt matter a jot who is in Government there was no parties in 2014 just a yes and no side and part of that no side promised Scotland Home Rule if Scotland voted no so again are you saying its ok to break promises ?
How can he promise anything if hes not in power...if you believed him along with your SNP mates then your more stupid than i thought you were
Erm was he not part of the NO camp ? You now denying he said Scotland will get Home Rule if it voted no ?
You seem to be shitting out answering my question lol So you are you saying its ok to break a promise ?
Again doesnt matter who is in government there was no parties in 2014 just a yes and no side and the no said promised Home Rule so by your lack of answer i will take that is your saying is ok to break promises to get what you want shame on you
We all get taken in by lies from politicians look at Nige and Boris down here....stupid people get taken in by them
Wow so what your saying is everyone that voted no to Scottish independence were all taken in by lies and then calling them stupid thats not nice lol
Basically yes if those promises were made....the same as im calling people stupid here on the promises Nige and Boris made....some people believe it or not do make informed decisions based on the facts...if the government in power at the time never said it.....then its not a truth and they were taken in
Well done for calling people that voted no to Scottish independence thick fuckers eh lol
There was no parties in 2014 just a yes and no side and the no side promised Home Rule now it doesnt matter which party is in government they have a duty to deliver on what they said.
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" You will still be British even if Scotland were to become an independent country the island is not going to split apart all that will end is the UK union lol " Depends on your definition of rationality. I value my passport and the uk state bureaucracy as part oc my nationality. For me Scottish independence make as much sense as making Manchester independent. | |||
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" You will still be British even if Scotland were to become an independent country the island is not going to split apart all that will end is the UK union lol Depends on your definition of rationality. I value my passport and the uk state bureaucracy as part oc my nationality. For me Scottish independence make as much sense as making Manchester independent." You do know Scotland is a country and Manchester is a city in England ? Again if Scotland were to vote for independence you wont stop being British its the UK that will break up only lol Why do you want Tory rule for Scotland when Scotland didnt vote for a Tory government ? | |||
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" You do know Scotland is a country and Manchester is a city in England ? [/Quote] They are both regions of the UK. [Quote] Again if Scotland were to vote for independence you wont stop being British its the UK that will break up only lol [/Quote] Can't be a national of a nation that no longer exists [Quote] Why do you want Tory rule for Scotland when Scotland didnt vote for a Tory government ? " I don't especially want tory rule but the nation voted tory, just. The uk voted tory so the nation gets a tory government | |||
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" You do know Scotland is a country and Manchester is a city in England ? [/Quote] They are both regions of the UK. [Quote] Again if Scotland were to vote for independence you wont stop being British its the UK that will break up only lol [/Quote] Can't be a national of a nation that no longer exists [Quote] Why do you want Tory rule for Scotland when Scotland didnt vote for a Tory government ? I don't especially want tory rule but the nation voted tory, just. The uk voted tory so the nation gets a tory government " Really ? So you are claiming Scotland voted Tory ? Thats strange SNP - 35 MP's Scottish Tory branch office -13 MP's Yet you somehow claiming 13 Scottish seats out of 59 in Westminster is a majority lmao What you seem to be saying is you do want Tory rule for Scotland So can you tell me what has those 13 Scottish Tories done to improve Scotland ? | |||
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" You do know Scotland is a country and Manchester is a city in England ? [/Quote] They are both regions of the UK. [Quote] Again if Scotland were to vote for independence you wont stop being British its the UK that will break up only lol [/Quote] Can't be a national of a nation that no longer exists [Quote] Why do you want Tory rule for Scotland when Scotland didnt vote for a Tory government ? I don't especially want tory rule but the nation voted tory, just. The uk voted tory so the nation gets a tory government Really ? So you are claiming Scotland voted Tory ? Thats strange SNP - 35 MP's Scottish Tory branch office -13 MP's Yet you somehow claiming 13 Scottish seats out of 59 in Westminster is a majority lmao What you seem to be saying is you do want Tory rule for Scotland So can you tell me what has those 13 Scottish Tories done to improve Scotland ? " Your getting silly now...Scotland is a region of the UK...and the UK votes for a UK wide government....Scotland are part of that...you just happen to have some devolved powers like Nth Ireland and Wales does.... | |||
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" You do know Scotland is a country and Manchester is a city in England ? [/Quote] They are both regions of the UK. [Quote] Again if Scotland were to vote for independence you wont stop being British its the UK that will break up only lol [/Quote] Can't be a national of a nation that no longer exists [Quote] Why do you want Tory rule for Scotland when Scotland didnt vote for a Tory government ? I don't especially want tory rule but the nation voted tory, just. The uk voted tory so the nation gets a tory government Really ? So you are claiming Scotland voted Tory ? Thats strange SNP - 35 MP's Scottish Tory branch office -13 MP's Yet you somehow claiming 13 Scottish seats out of 59 in Westminster is a majority lmao What you seem to be saying is you do want Tory rule for Scotland So can you tell me what has those 13 Scottish Tories done to improve Scotland ? Your getting silly now...Scotland is a region of the UK...and the UK votes for a UK wide government....Scotland are part of that...you just happen to have some devolved powers like Nth Ireland and Wales does.... "Not silly at all am point out facts the Scottish Tory branch office have fuck all majority in Scotland and you know it unless you claiming 13 out of 59 Scottish seats is somehow a majority ? Lmao So who has a mandate in Scotland is it the Tories or is it the SNP ? | |||
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" You do know Scotland is a country and Manchester is a city in England ? [/Quote] They are both regions of the UK. [Quote] Again if Scotland were to vote for independence you wont stop being British its the UK that will break up only lol [/Quote] Can't be a national of a nation that no longer exists [Quote] Why do you want Tory rule for Scotland when Scotland didnt vote for a Tory government ? I don't especially want tory rule but the nation voted tory, just. The uk voted tory so the nation gets a tory government Really ? So you are claiming Scotland voted Tory ? Thats strange SNP - 35 MP's Scottish Tory branch office -13 MP's Yet you somehow claiming 13 Scottish seats out of 59 in Westminster is a majority lmao What you seem to be saying is you do want Tory rule for Scotland So can you tell me what has those 13 Scottish Tories done to improve Scotland ? Your getting silly now...Scotland is a region of the UK...and the UK votes for a UK wide government....Scotland are part of that...you just happen to have some devolved powers like Nth Ireland and Wales does....
Not silly at all am point out facts the Scottish Tory branch office have fuck all majority in Scotland and you know it unless you claiming 13 out of 59 Scottish seats is somehow a majority ? Lmao
So who has a mandate in Scotland is it the Tories or is it the SNP ? "They have 35 mps in government....they tories are the largest pqarty in the UK....THE UK WHICH includes Scotland | |||
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" You do know Scotland is a country and Manchester is a city in England ? [/Quote] They are both regions of the UK. [Quote] Again if Scotland were to vote for independence you wont stop being British its the UK that will break up only lol [/Quote] Can't be a national of a nation that no longer exists [Quote] Why do you want Tory rule for Scotland when Scotland didnt vote for a Tory government ? I don't especially want tory rule but the nation voted tory, just. The uk voted tory so the nation gets a tory government Really ? So you are claiming Scotland voted Tory ? Thats strange SNP - 35 MP's Scottish Tory branch office -13 MP's Yet you somehow claiming 13 Scottish seats out of 59 in Westminster is a majority lmao What you seem to be saying is you do want Tory rule for Scotland So can you tell me what has those 13 Scottish Tories done to improve Scotland ? Your getting silly now...Scotland is a region of the UK...and the UK votes for a UK wide government....Scotland are part of that...you just happen to have some devolved powers like Nth Ireland and Wales does....
Not silly at all am point out facts the Scottish Tory branch office have fuck all majority in Scotland and you know it unless you claiming 13 out of 59 Scottish seats is somehow a majority ? Lmao
So who has a mandate in Scotland is it the Tories or is it the SNP ?
They have 35 mps in government....they tories are the largest pqarty in the UK....THE UK WHICH includes Scotland"Thank you for agreeing the SNP have the majority of Scottish MP's So why is it you are happy to accept Tory rule for Scotland when the Tories were rejected by Scotland ? | |||
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" You do know Scotland is a country and Manchester is a city in England ? [/Quote] They are both regions of the UK. [Quote] Again if Scotland were to vote for independence you wont stop being British its the UK that will break up only lol [/Quote] Can't be a national of a nation that no longer exists [Quote] Why do you want Tory rule for Scotland when Scotland didnt vote for a Tory government ? I don't especially want tory rule but the nation voted tory, just. The uk voted tory so the nation gets a tory government Really ? So you are claiming Scotland voted Tory ? Thats strange SNP - 35 MP's Scottish Tory branch office -13 MP's Yet you somehow claiming 13 Scottish seats out of 59 in Westminster is a majority lmao What you seem to be saying is you do want Tory rule for Scotland So can you tell me what has those 13 Scottish Tories done to improve Scotland ? Your getting silly now...Scotland is a region of the UK...and the UK votes for a UK wide government....Scotland are part of that...you just happen to have some devolved powers like Nth Ireland and Wales does....
Not silly at all am point out facts the Scottish Tory branch office have fuck all majority in Scotland and you know it unless you claiming 13 out of 59 Scottish seats is somehow a majority ? Lmao
So who has a mandate in Scotland is it the Tories or is it the SNP ?
They have 35 mps in government....they tories are the largest pqarty in the UK....THE UK WHICH includes Scotland
Thank you for agreeing the SNP have the majority of Scottish MP's
So why is it you are happy to accept Tory rule for Scotland when the Tories were rejected by Scotland ? "The tories do rule Scotland...they just loaned you a bit of power | |||
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" You do know Scotland is a country and Manchester is a city in England ? [/Quote] They are both regions of the UK. [Quote] Again if Scotland were to vote for independence you wont stop being British its the UK that will break up only lol [/Quote] Can't be a national of a nation that no longer exists [Quote] Why do you want Tory rule for Scotland when Scotland didnt vote for a Tory government ? I don't especially want tory rule but the nation voted tory, just. The uk voted tory so the nation gets a tory government Really ? So you are claiming Scotland voted Tory ? Thats strange SNP - 35 MP's Scottish Tory branch office -13 MP's Yet you somehow claiming 13 Scottish seats out of 59 in Westminster is a majority lmao What you seem to be saying is you do want Tory rule for Scotland So can you tell me what has those 13 Scottish Tories done to improve Scotland ? Your getting silly now...Scotland is a region of the UK...and the UK votes for a UK wide government....Scotland are part of that...you just happen to have some devolved powers like Nth Ireland and Wales does....
Not silly at all am point out facts the Scottish Tory branch office have fuck all majority in Scotland and you know it unless you claiming 13 out of 59 Scottish seats is somehow a majority ? Lmao
So who has a mandate in Scotland is it the Tories or is it the SNP ?
They have 35 mps in government....they tories are the largest pqarty in the UK....THE UK WHICH includes Scotland
Thank you for agreeing the SNP have the majority of Scottish MP's
So why is it you are happy to accept Tory rule for Scotland when the Tories were rejected by Scotland ?
The tories do rule Scotland...they just loaned you a bit of power "No they do not. Scottish voters didnt vote Tory you cant hide that fact unless you think 13 is bigger than 35 ? lol Ah right so loaned Scotland abit of power so what you getting it here so England is better than Scotland were you get to decide what wee leeches in Scotland get eh ? Is that what you think of Scotland is wee get some powers and the party England votes for tell us what we should get yeah some family of nations that is I will call it as i see it the UK is a fucking dictatorship 3 countries in the UK didnt vote for scumbags and yet have to be ruled by scumbags because England have bigger land mass fucking joke The British empire is not ended for some people. Oh god the rule Britannia and never surrender mob will be out soon. Lol | |||
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" Ah right so loaned Scotland abit of power so what you getting it here so England is better than Scotland were you get to decide what wee leeches in Scotland get eh ? Is that what you think of Scotland is wee get some powers and the party England votes for tell us what we should get yeah some family of nations that is I will call it as i see it the UK is a fucking dictatorship 3 countries in the UK didnt vote for scumbags and yet have to be ruled by scumbags because England have bigger land mass fucking joke The British empire is not ended for some people. Oh god the rule Britannia and never surrender mob will be out soon. Lol" Sometimes people have to be told whats good for them
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" Ah right so loaned Scotland abit of power so what you getting it here so England is better than Scotland were you get to decide what wee leeches in Scotland get eh ? Is that what you think of Scotland is wee get some powers and the party England votes for tell us what we should get yeah some family of nations that is I will call it as i see it the UK is a fucking dictatorship 3 countries in the UK didnt vote for scumbags and yet have to be ruled by scumbags because England have bigger land mass fucking joke The British empire is not ended for some people. Oh god the rule Britannia and never surrender mob will be out soon. Lol Sometimes people have to be told whats good for them
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"which country in the UK has the best record in education ? OP, which one has the best record on education? Scotland there you go i answered it. Stop trying to put education down in Scotland pupils have had a record amount of passes in Scotland i am fucking glad education is free in Scotland where you dont have to pay for an education that should be free for every child and where students dont have to rack up huge debts Oh am waiting on it someone saying Labour will scrap tution fees with Corbyn is charge but fail to see Labour in Wales increased it tut tut What next you gonna blame the SNP for teacher shortages in Scotland ? Lol Oh wait that would be councils that are incharge of that and that was a problem back before May 2017 and SNP only took charge of councils in May 2017 but that will be all SNP fault eh and fuck all to do with Labour mess ? But the independent international assessment said that England and Northern Ireland got better results than Scotland. Why are you trying to out England and Northern Ireland down when they out performed Scotland? Ah right so you think the Tories are doing much better that the SNP with education lmao!!!! 2010 Tories elected into government and yet to met a fucking target nothing to be proud of. Next thing you will be telling me the English NHS has a better record than the Scottish NHS lmao " The data proves that to be the case. | |||
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"It is nothing to do with English land mass you uneducated muppet! It is to do with the number of voters and what party has the greatest majority of the vote through out the whole of the UK which includes Scotland!"
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" Ah right so loaned Scotland abit of power so what you getting it here so England is better than Scotland were you get to decide what wee leeches in Scotland get eh ? Is that what you think of Scotland is wee get some powers and the party England votes for tell us what we should get yeah some family of nations that is I will call it as i see it the UK is a fucking dictatorship 3 countries in the UK didnt vote for scumbags and yet have to be ruled by scumbags because England have bigger land mass fucking joke The British empire is not ended for some people. Oh god the rule Britannia and never surrender mob will be out soon. Lol Sometimes people have to be told whats good for them
So your ok with Tory rule for Scotland even though Scotland didnt vote for the Tories?
Why would you want that for Scotland ? "if the tories rule over scotland then what is that thing call holyrood doing... playing tiddlywinks?
see.. in your world everything in tories fault and nothing ever ever is the SNP faults... no accountability whatsoever!!!!
you say you want home rule... you already have devolved powers over 95% of the stuff that effects you day to day.....
i always ask you... what else specifically do you want that is available to you at the moment that you don't have!... and you never answer!
you have taxation powers.... you are getting benefit and welfare power (ironically 2 years later than planned because your fabled SNP were not ready for it) you have power over education, policing, transport, enviroment and health and a multitude of other things......
if the BBC is the only thing, and thats the hill you are prepared to in effect die for..... thats really doesn't make you look good.....
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"It's amusing seeing Kinky still making claims about things they don't understand. The NHS for a start... I know you haven't looked at any performance date (because it's beyond your capacity) but I can go into a fair bit of detail on that one. You ran away from the thread the last time. Anyway, here's the link again with some figures in the 2nd last post https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/594453 " Thats it keep this shit up not once have i belittled anyone on here or called anyone on here names. I know there is believe in the UK union on here fair enough but dont start with the belittling and telling people you they dont understand crap you have your opinion i have mine you dont agree fair enough doesnt bother me one damn bit. The Scottish NHS has the best record in the UK with 90% + targets being met fact! You didnt see the Red cross come into the Scottish NHS and say is a crisis Instead of trying to attack our NHS in Scotland get behind our nurses and doctors that do a great job. I mean what you gonna say next you want the Tories to have power to run the Scottish NHS ? Lol | |||
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" Ah right so loaned Scotland abit of power so what you getting it here so England is better than Scotland were you get to decide what wee leeches in Scotland get eh ? Is that what you think of Scotland is wee get some powers and the party England votes for tell us what we should get yeah some family of nations that is I will call it as i see it the UK is a fucking dictatorship 3 countries in the UK didnt vote for scumbags and yet have to be ruled by scumbags because England have bigger land mass fucking joke The British empire is not ended for some people. Oh god the rule Britannia and never surrender mob will be out soon. Lol Sometimes people have to be told whats good for them
So your ok with Tory rule for Scotland even though Scotland didnt vote for the Tories?
Why would you want that for Scotland ?
if the tories rule over scotland then what is that thing call holyrood doing... playing tiddlywinks?
see.. in your world everything in tories fault and nothing ever ever is the SNP faults... no accountability whatsoever!!!!
you say you want home rule... you already have devolved powers over 95% of the stuff that effects you day to day.....
i always ask you... what else specifically do you want that is available to you at the moment that you don't have!... and you never answer!
you have taxation powers.... you are getting benefit and welfare power (ironically 2 years later than planned because your fabled SNP were not ready for it) you have power over education, policing, transport, enviroment and health and a multitude of other things......
if the BBC is the only thing, and thats the hill you are prepared to in effect die for..... thats really doesn't make you look good.....
and don't just quote "wings"...... "Oh wait a minute Fabio are you saying money is devolved to Scotland or is it the Tories that are in control of money eh ? Lmao i want independence not home rule big difference but the thing am pointing out Scotland was promised if Scotland voted no to independence then Home Rule would be delivered over 100 fucking years and still waiting for that promise it was unionists that voted for Home Rule yet they clearly couldnt give a flying fuck why because they got what they wanted now they dont care it the union at any cost even if it means the unionist parties lying to them sadly the no voters have been took for mugs and the unionist parties are laughing their arses off at how easy it is to mislead them. How about every power full independence thats what i want. I keep telling you see the welfare powers is it full control i mean like 100% of the welfare powers ? Or does Westminster still get to stick their noses in ? Thats not Home Rule | |||
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"It's blatanly clear to everyone on here that you don't have a clue about most things other than the headlines you read on Wings etc. I don't like telling people they're not very sharp but when they continually spout falsehoods it needs to be said. For example, you've just posted 90%+ of Scotland's NHS targets are being met. This is a lie and you are unable to mention what the targets even are, probably other than the A&E one which you've read about. What are all those targets they are achieving? " Is that the unionist go to thing if someone challenges them oh you must read Wings over Scotland lol i have news for you there is plenty other sites other than wings also on the wings issue if Wings over Scotland is not to be believed then why oh why is the unionist branches trying to shut him the fuck up ? Surely just ignore him eh ? Must be getting to them because he challenged them and the minute he does what happens a member of parliament attacks Stu in of all places parliament on an issue calling him anti gay when clearly anyone can fucking tell he was not being anti gay must have Kezia rattled lol Nope not a lie fact!! You see what unionists dont like challenging their branch offices when they come out and say the Scottish NHS is failing and targets are not being met by the SNP have you took into account the patients cancelling appointments ? Or that they are ill and they have to wait to be seen. I went to A&E last year i was seen within 20 mins on Saturday night prob one of their busiest nights yet seen in 20mins stop putting the Scottish NHS down. Would you rather have the Tories incharge of the Scottish NHS ? | |||
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"If you want to be a separate country and ruled by yourselves what happens if it goes tits up? Will you want to move to England to improve your life? If so do you think england should be able to treat you like any other immigrant?" Who says its going to go tits up ? You have no evidence to prove an independent Scotland will be worse off do you ? Oh wait is the GERS shit gonna come up again ? lol | |||
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"It's blatanly clear to everyone on here that you don't have a clue about most things other than the headlines you read on Wings etc. I don't like telling people they're not very sharp but when they continually spout falsehoods it needs to be said. For example, you've just posted 90%+ of Scotland's NHS targets are being met. This is a lie and you are unable to mention what the targets even are, probably other than the A&E one which you've read about. What are all those targets they are achieving? Is that the unionist go to thing if someone challenges them oh you must read Wings over Scotland lol i have news for you there is plenty other sites other than wings also on the wings issue if Wings over Scotland is not to be believed then why oh why is the unionist branches trying to shut him the fuck up ? Surely just ignore him eh ? Must be getting to them because he challenged them and the minute he does what happens a member of parliament attacks Stu in of all places parliament on an issue calling him anti gay when clearly anyone can fucking tell he was not being anti gay must have Kezia rattled lol Nope not a lie fact!! You see what unionists dont like challenging their branch offices when they come out and say the Scottish NHS is failing and targets are not being met by the SNP have you took into account the patients cancelling appointments ? Or that they are ill and they have to wait to be seen. I went to A&E last year i was seen within 20 mins on Saturday night prob one of their busiest nights yet seen in 20mins stop putting the Scottish NHS down. Would you rather have the Tories incharge of the Scottish NHS ? " Funnily enough I don't get my information from about the NHS from Labour or the Tories, I get it direct from the Scottish govt. That's where all the figures came from I made on the other post. They're the SNP's own
I do occasionally use some independent sources though, such as the IFS who point out that between 2011 and 2016 health spending in England went up 9.2% under the Tories whereas the SNP increased it by only 3.7% in Scotland.
And what does the SNP do when it doesn't like bad news (such as pulling out of the international education tests), it buries it. In the case of the NHS it hasn't published the details of the 2016 NHS staff survey claiming a low response rate of 38%. They're probably embarrassed that the previous survey showed 46% of NHS Scotland employees said they were too overworked to carry out their job properly.
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"It's blatanly clear to everyone on here that you don't have a clue about most things other than the headlines you read on Wings etc. I don't like telling people they're not very sharp but when they continually spout falsehoods it needs to be said. For example, you've just posted 90%+ of Scotland's NHS targets are being met. This is a lie and you are unable to mention what the targets even are, probably other than the A&E one which you've read about. What are all those targets they are achieving? Is that the unionist go to thing if someone challenges them oh you must read Wings over Scotland lol i have news for you there is plenty other sites other than wings also on the wings issue if Wings over Scotland is not to be believed then why oh why is the unionist branches trying to shut him the fuck up ? Surely just ignore him eh ? Must be getting to them because he challenged them and the minute he does what happens a member of parliament attacks Stu in of all places parliament on an issue calling him anti gay when clearly anyone can fucking tell he was not being anti gay must have Kezia rattled lol Nope not a lie fact!! You see what unionists dont like challenging their branch offices when they come out and say the Scottish NHS is failing and targets are not being met by the SNP have you took into account the patients cancelling appointments ? Or that they are ill and they have to wait to be seen. I went to A&E last year i was seen within 20 mins on Saturday night prob one of their busiest nights yet seen in 20mins stop putting the Scottish NHS down. Would you rather have the Tories incharge of the Scottish NHS ? Funnily enough I don't get my information from about the NHS from Labour or the Tories, I get it direct from the Scottish govt. That's where all the figures came from I made on the other post. They're the SNP's own
I do occasionally use some independent sources though, such as the IFS who point out that between 2011 and 2016 health spending in England went up 9.2% under the Tories whereas the SNP increased it by only 3.7% in Scotland.
And what does the SNP do when it doesn't like bad news (such as pulling out of the international education tests), it buries it. In the case of the NHS it hasn't published the details of the 2016 NHS staff survey claiming a low response rate of 38%. They're probably embarrassed that the previous survey showed 46% of NHS Scotland employees said they were too overworked to carry out their job properly.
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"Is that you trying to ingore the data provided about funding? That wasn't from a newspaper. Or how about I provide some figures from the SNP about their shocking NHS performance: 12 week waiting time (this is actually a legal guarantee). Target – 100% Performance – 81.4% Shocking performance that has dropped every single one of the last 6 quarters. It used to be 95% 18 week treatment Target – 90% Performance – 84.8% 62 day cancer treatment time Target – 95% Performance – 86.9% 31 day cancer treatment time Target – 95% Performance – 94.8% 12 week out patient referral Targer – 95% Performance – 74% Down from 90% 2 years ago. Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services 18 week treatment Target – 90% Performance 80.7% Psychological Therapies Target – 90% Performance – 72.4% "Have you went and asked every patient on reasons why they have had to wait ? There is all different reasons no no you dont taake that into account do you some may be ill that their treatment cant go ahead some patients themselves may have cancelled appointments So who would you rather have incharge of the Scottish NHS The Tories or SNP ? | |||
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"Is that you trying to ingore the data provided about funding? That wasn't from a newspaper. Or how about I provide some figures from the SNP about their shocking NHS performance: 12 week waiting time (this is actually a legal guarantee). Target – 100% Performance – 81.4% Shocking performance that has dropped every single one of the last 6 quarters. It used to be 95% 18 week treatment Target – 90% Performance – 84.8% 62 day cancer treatment time Target – 95% Performance – 86.9% 31 day cancer treatment time Target – 95% Performance – 94.8% 12 week out patient referral Targer – 95% Performance – 74% Down from 90% 2 years ago. Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services 18 week treatment Target – 90% Performance 80.7% Psychological Therapies Target – 90% Performance – 72.4%
Have you went and asked every patient on reasons why they have had to wait ? There is all different reasons no no you dont taake that into account do you some may be ill that their treatment cant go ahead some patients themselves may have cancelled appointments
So who would you rather have incharge of the Scottish NHS The Tories or SNP ? "Again you show your complete lack of knowledge on every subject you bring up. If someone cancels their appointment it doesn't count towards the target, in fact some health boards have previously been accused of deliberately offering inconvenient appointments so people have to cancel and have the process start all over again. All to try to meet targets they don't have the funding provide. As for who I'd rather have running it, any party other than the SNP. As I said earlier, NHS spending in England has gone up 9.2% under the Tories compared to 3.7% under the SNP in Scotland. | |||
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"Is that you trying to ingore the data provided about funding? That wasn't from a newspaper. Or how about I provide some figures from the SNP about their shocking NHS performance: 12 week waiting time (this is actually a legal guarantee). Target – 100% Performance – 81.4% Shocking performance that has dropped every single one of the last 6 quarters. It used to be 95% 18 week treatment Target – 90% Performance – 84.8% 62 day cancer treatment time Target – 95% Performance – 86.9% 31 day cancer treatment time Target – 95% Performance – 94.8% 12 week out patient referral Targer – 95% Performance – 74% Down from 90% 2 years ago. Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services 18 week treatment Target – 90% Performance 80.7% Psychological Therapies Target – 90% Performance – 72.4%
Have you went and asked every patient on reasons why they have had to wait ? There is all different reasons no no you dont taake that into account do you some may be ill that their treatment cant go ahead some patients themselves may have cancelled appointments
So who would you rather have incharge of the Scottish NHS The Tories or SNP ? "is that really the best you can do to combat "facts".... the figures quoted actually DO take that into consideration as there are the first available time an appointment can be arranged is the one that is counted for the figures, if the patient then changes that, that is not the fault of said hospital........ and yes... to get those figures they would have to look at EVERY SINGLE PATIENT.....
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"A list of things the OP doesn't like. 1. Definitions, can't define the terms they use, doesn't understand when other people give them the widely used definitions. 2. International treaties, you know, like the ones that define what a country is. 3. Realpolitik, they don't care about how politics actually works, such as the biggest party in Scotland not ever having passed a single piece of legislation when they weren't also the party in government, despite the OP desperately wishing they had 4. Constitutional arrangements and the rule of law, such as who can and who can't call referendums. If someone believes in Scottish independence, then they shouldn't be subject to the laws of the land and be arrested for crimes such as harassment. 5. Facts, statistics and data. It doesn't matter if England and NI do better than Scotland in internationally recognised assessments, not if the OP doesn't agree with it. Doesn't matter about NHS stats, unless of course they said Scotland was best, and then they would be very important. 6. Economic reality, ask a simple question such as "how much money flowed into the treasury from North Sea oil last year" and they would rather stick a fork in their eye than answer the question. Ask them about the Barnett Formula and they completely shit the bed and will pretend that you have just made it up! 7. The powers of the Scottish Parliament! This is surprising, but they actually hate the SP having any powers, the OP would prefer that Scotland didn't have powers, because then they look stupid if they don't use them (yet ask for more), and if they do use them and fuck it up (see NHS and education) then they look stupid too. The OP would much rather someone else did all that and they just got to complain about it. 8. Quotes, oh how they HATE quotes. Ask them a question such as "can you provide a quote where a mainstream politician has used the words "home rule" in the last 20 years?" And you will hear nothing but a deafening roar of silence. Is there anything else that I've missed from the list? " 1. What terms ? 2.There is 4 countries in the UK union not my fault you think England is a wee region in the UK. 3. I dont care how politics actually works ? LMAO!! Am not the one not respecting the SNP do have a mandate from the people of Scotland fact tough luck eh no unionist has a mandate in Scotland lol 4. So you think UK government have the right to rule over the Scottish people yeah some fucking union you want me to believe the UK is its a fucking nasty dictatorship. 5. I didnt see the Red cross come into the Scottish NHS and call it a national crisis thats what you get when you elect scumbags to then put profit over patients. 6. Scotland ecomony outperforming the rest of the UK but shhhh dont let that shit get in the way of a good lie to keep your corrupt union together lol 7. Scotland mitigates Tory cuts even though i think full devolved powers should be given to Scotland not wee pish powers the likes of giving welfare powers but still have the Tories have some say. 8. See this proves to me CLCC you dont have a clue on what is happening in Scotland and why should you you get told how the UK is all sunshine and rainbows from unionist media. Better Together promised Home Rule to no voters and shame on every one of you that believe in the UK union that couldnt give a flying fuck about delivering on a promise like a said the UK is full of corruption you only have to look at Aberdeen and North Lanarkshire councils to see how dirty scumbags act Labour and Tory going into coaliation with each other to keep the SNP out Red and Blue Tories no fucking difference To actually think the pro hardcore unionists think Scottish Labour are a threat to the SNP lol So who do you people think will cause this threat Anas Sarwar or Richard Leonard ? LMAO Also i do notice not one of you seem bothered at all at the Tories hiding documents that say Scotland and the North England will be hit the worse with brexit not a damn well care in the world eh happy to defend the Tories tut tut sinking lower and lower defending the rule britannia and no surrender mob People on here claim i have no understanding of shit yet they claim the UK is one country and not a union of 4 countries Also they claim Britain is a country lmao So is me that has lack of understanding yet i can get Britain is a fucking island not a country and the UK is a political union not a country lol I think people need to learn the difference if they are going to try and defend the UK cause that shit is seriously embarrassing being schooled by someone that want independence for Scotland. | |||
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"P.S This one is for everyone down in England that wont get this shit on their news One of the 13 Scottish Tory branch mp's you know the ones that were elected by Scottish voters Well he thinks is better to go ref a football game that actually respresents the people that voted his ass in he would rather ref a football game and miss the universal credit vote Yeah thats some UK union eh where a unionist branch office with no madate in Scotland think its better to go ref a football game that actually vote on an important issue like universal credit where people do not agree with it Oh but wait your happy for the Tories to rule over Scotland just to keep the union together Keep going and this 2nd indy ref vote will be easy to win lol " P.S this is for everyone up in Scotland who relies on Wings for their 'news' Despite the SNP being against the sale of council houses and putting an end to the practice SNP MP Lisa Cameron owns 5 (five) ex council properties which she rents out for profit. And that's before I mention the first minister's parents also bought their own council house. If you want I can also go into SNP members and their other jobs or directorships. Bet you never read about that on Wings | |||
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"P.S This one is for everyone down in England that wont get this shit on their news One of the 13 Scottish Tory branch mp's you know the ones that were elected by Scottish voters Well he thinks is better to go ref a football game that actually respresents the people that voted his ass in he would rather ref a football game and miss the universal credit vote Yeah thats some UK union eh where a unionist branch office with no madate in Scotland think its better to go ref a football game that actually vote on an important issue like universal credit where people do not agree with it Oh but wait your happy for the Tories to rule over Scotland just to keep the union together Keep going and this 2nd indy ref vote will be easy to win lol P.S this is for everyone up in Scotland who relies on Wings for their 'news' Despite the SNP being against the sale of council houses and putting an end to the practice SNP MP Lisa Cameron owns 5 (five) ex council properties which she rents out for profit. And that's before I mention the first minister's parents also bought their own council house. If you want I can also go into SNP members and their other jobs or directorships. Bet you never read about that on Wings "On there you go again thinking its only Wings i get the news from oh how your going to feel very embarrassed when i say its up on STV News do try again eh lol What business is it of your's about Nicola's parents on what they buy with their money ? So are you defending a Tory MP missing the universal credit vote to ref a fucking football game ? My god | |||
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"P.S This one is for everyone down in England that wont get this shit on their news One of the 13 Scottish Tory branch mp's you know the ones that were elected by Scottish voters Well he thinks is better to go ref a football game that actually respresents the people that voted his ass in he would rather ref a football game and miss the universal credit vote Yeah thats some UK union eh where a unionist branch office with no madate in Scotland think its better to go ref a football game that actually vote on an important issue like universal credit where people do not agree with it Oh but wait your happy for the Tories to rule over Scotland just to keep the union together Keep going and this 2nd indy ref vote will be easy to win lol P.S this is for everyone up in Scotland who relies on Wings for their 'news' Despite the SNP being against the sale of council houses and putting an end to the practice SNP MP Lisa Cameron owns 5 (five) ex council properties which she rents out for profit. And that's before I mention the first minister's parents also bought their own council house. If you want I can also go into SNP members and their other jobs or directorships. Bet you never read about that on Wings
On there you go again thinking its only Wings i get the news from oh how your going to feel very embarrassed when i say its up on STV News do try again eh lol
What business is it of your's about Nicola's parents on what they buy with their money ?
So are you defending a Tory MP missing the universal credit vote to ref a fucking football game ? My god
"STV news? So highbrow lol Re Sturgeon's parents, one of them was an SNP councillor and provost, the other attempted to become a SNP councillor but was rejected twice at the ballot box. They agree with their daughter's policy (and she was brought up in the house) to ban the sale of council housing despite having done so themselves. It's the usual SNP hypocrisy. As for the tory referreing a football match, that is a job he has in addition to his job as an MSP, just as many SNP MSP's and MP's have other jobs. He's actually the assistant ref at the Barcelona game. How many jobs does Ian Blackford have these days? I've got to admit, one Tory missing a vote is nothing in comparison to every single SNP MSP refusing to vote on whether there should be tax increases. Shocking for the party of government have no position on such an important matter. They could all have stayed at home for that one. No comment on SNP MP Lisa Cameron and her little property empire of ex council houses?  | |||
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"P.S This one is for everyone down in England that wont get this shit on their news One of the 13 Scottish Tory branch mp's you know the ones that were elected by Scottish voters Well he thinks is better to go ref a football game that actually respresents the people that voted his ass in he would rather ref a football game and miss the universal credit vote Yeah thats some UK union eh where a unionist branch office with no madate in Scotland think its better to go ref a football game that actually vote on an important issue like universal credit where people do not agree with it Oh but wait your happy for the Tories to rule over Scotland just to keep the union together Keep going and this 2nd indy ref vote will be easy to win lol P.S this is for everyone up in Scotland who relies on Wings for their 'news' Despite the SNP being against the sale of council houses and putting an end to the practice SNP MP Lisa Cameron owns 5 (five) ex council properties which she rents out for profit. And that's before I mention the first minister's parents also bought their own council house. If you want I can also go into SNP members and their other jobs or directorships. Bet you never read about that on Wings
On there you go again thinking its only Wings i get the news from oh how your going to feel very embarrassed when i say its up on STV News do try again eh lol
What business is it of your's about Nicola's parents on what they buy with their money ?
So are you defending a Tory MP missing the universal credit vote to ref a fucking football game ? My god
STV news? So highbrow lol
Re Sturgeon's parents, one of them was an SNP councillor and provost, the other attempted to become a SNP councillor but was rejected twice at the ballot box. They agree with their daughter's policy (and she was brought up in the house) to ban the sale of council housing despite having done so themselves. It's the usual SNP hypocrisy.
As for the tory referreing a football match, that is a job he has in addition to his job as an MSP, just as many SNP MSP's and MP's have other jobs. He's actually the assistant ref at the Barcelona game. How many jobs does Ian Blackford have these days?
I've got to admit, one Tory missing a vote is nothing in comparison to every single SNP MSP refusing to vote on whether there should be tax increases. Shocking for the party of government have no position on such an important matter. They could all have stayed at home for that one.
No comment on SNP MP Lisa Cameron and her little property empire of ex council houses? "Yes its on STV news but no no like i said unionists go to their fave thing to say all pro indy supporters just read Wings over Scotland. now you see your mistake stop thinking everyone that is pro indy just reads Wings like said there is plenty sites out there lol Again what Nicola's parents do is none of your busniess really correct ? So you are defending the Scottish Tory missing the universal credit vote wow just wow Yeah nothing wrong with them having other jobs but you seem to be defending him missing a very important vote on something alot of people in Scotland do not agree with tut tut | |||
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"P.S This one is for everyone down in England that wont get this shit on their news One of the 13 Scottish Tory branch mp's you know the ones that were elected by Scottish voters Well he thinks is better to go ref a football game that actually respresents the people that voted his ass in he would rather ref a football game and miss the universal credit vote Yeah thats some UK union eh where a unionist branch office with no madate in Scotland think its better to go ref a football game that actually vote on an important issue like universal credit where people do not agree with it Oh but wait your happy for the Tories to rule over Scotland just to keep the union together Keep going and this 2nd indy ref vote will be easy to win lol P.S this is for everyone up in Scotland who relies on Wings for their 'news' Despite the SNP being against the sale of council houses and putting an end to the practice SNP MP Lisa Cameron owns 5 (five) ex council properties which she rents out for profit. And that's before I mention the first minister's parents also bought their own council house. If you want I can also go into SNP members and their other jobs or directorships. Bet you never read about that on Wings "Im pretty sure there will be lots of mps who have bought council houses its not illegal you know and for you to mention just one person and the fms parents is just petty and as per usual trying to make out its just snp bad | |||
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"A list of things the OP doesn't like. 1. Definitions, can't define the terms they use, doesn't understand when other people give them the widely used definitions. 2. International treaties, you know, like the ones that define what a country is. 3. Realpolitik, they don't care about how politics actually works, such as the biggest party in Scotland not ever having passed a single piece of legislation when they weren't also the party in government, despite the OP desperately wishing they had 4. Constitutional arrangements and the rule of law, such as who can and who can't call referendums. If someone believes in Scottish independence, then they shouldn't be subject to the laws of the land and be arrested for crimes such as harassment. 5. Facts, statistics and data. It doesn't matter if England and NI do better than Scotland in internationally recognised assessments, not if the OP doesn't agree with it. Doesn't matter about NHS stats, unless of course they said Scotland was best, and then they would be very important. 6. Economic reality, ask a simple question such as "how much money flowed into the treasury from North Sea oil last year" and they would rather stick a fork in their eye than answer the question. Ask them about the Barnett Formula and they completely shit the bed and will pretend that you have just made it up! 7. The powers of the Scottish Parliament! This is surprising, but they actually hate the SP having any powers, the OP would prefer that Scotland didn't have powers, because then they look stupid if they don't use them (yet ask for more), and if they do use them and fuck it up (see NHS and education) then they look stupid too. The OP would much rather someone else did all that and they just got to complain about it. 8. Quotes, oh how they HATE quotes. Ask them a question such as "can you provide a quote where a mainstream politician has used the words "home rule" in the last 20 years?" And you will hear nothing but a deafening roar of silence. Is there anything else that I've missed from the list? 1. What terms ? 2.There is 4 countries in the UK union not my fault you think England is a wee region in the UK. 3. I dont care how politics actually works ? LMAO!! Am not the one not respecting the SNP do have a mandate from the people of Scotland fact tough luck eh no unionist has a mandate in Scotland lol 4. So you think UK government have the right to rule over the Scottish people yeah some fucking union you want me to believe the UK is its a fucking nasty dictatorship. 5. I didnt see the Red cross come into the Scottish NHS and call it a national crisis thats what you get when you elect scumbags to then put profit over patients. 6. Scotland ecomony outperforming the rest of the UK but shhhh dont let that shit get in the way of a good lie to keep your corrupt union together lol 7. Scotland mitigates Tory cuts even though i think full devolved powers should be given to Scotland not wee pish powers the likes of giving welfare powers but still have the Tories have some say. 8. See this proves to me CLCC you dont have a clue on what is happening in Scotland and why should you you get told how the UK is all sunshine and rainbows from unionist media. Better Together promised Home Rule to no voters and shame on every one of you that believe in the UK union that couldnt give a flying fuck about delivering on a promise like a said the UK is full of corruption you only have to look at Aberdeen and North Lanarkshire councils to see how dirty scumbags act Labour and Tory going into coaliation with each other to keep the SNP out Red and Blue Tories no fucking difference To actually think the pro hardcore unionists think Scottish Labour are a threat to the SNP lol So who do you people think will cause this threat Anas Sarwar or Richard Leonard ? LMAO Also i do notice not one of you seem bothered at all at the Tories hiding documents that say Scotland and the North England will be hit the worse with brexit not a damn well care in the world eh happy to defend the Tories tut tut sinking lower and lower defending the rule britannia and no surrender mob People on here claim i have no understanding of shit yet they claim the UK is one country and not a union of 4 countries Also they claim Britain is a country lmao So is me that has lack of understanding yet i can get Britain is a fucking island not a country and the UK is a political union not a country lol I think people need to learn the difference if they are going to try and defend the UK cause that shit is seriously embarrassing being schooled by someone that want independence for Scotland. " 1. On a thread about home rule, you haven't been able to define what you believe home rule to be, and have ignored multiple definitions that others use. 2. How many seats do we have at the UN? 3. Name 1 piece of legislation that the SNP has passed at Westminster with its supposed mandate. 4. Yes, the UK government is indeed the government of the UK. Im surprised that that needs to be pointed out. 5. You just ignored all the data about NHS waiting times because you didn't like it. 6. Like I said, you ignored the Barnett formula and how much tax was collected from north sea oil. You proved my point right there. 7. I said you hate the powers the Scottish Parliament has, and then you describe those powers as "pish" proves my point. 8. I said you never provide a quote, and surprise surprise, you launch into a diatribe and don't provide a quote! Yet again, proving my point. | |||
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"Oh and dare i mention Scottish Labour' record on how many council houses they build in their time in government The answer 6 council houses were build by Labour in Scotland yes only 6 council houses The SNP have pledged to build 50,000 affordable houses in their term in government " Pledges mean nothing as we all know and you keep telling us. How many have the SNP built since they were in government? What is an affordable home? The government's definition when it comes to renting is that affordable homes should cost no more than 80% of the average local market rent. If market rents are too high affordable homes no longer become affordable! When it comes to home ownership, it is a little less clear-cut. The government definition of affordable housing states it must be provided at a level at which the mortgage payments on the property should be more than would be paid in rent on council housing, but below market levels. That is clearly a very broad range. It must also be able to remain at an affordable price for future eligible households. In 2004, then Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott announced plans to build homes for just £60,000. Eight of the 10 planned developments were completed, but the houses were sold for far more than promised - an average of £231,000 in one development. Housing needs a massive rethink and any facts/figures relating to building affordable/low cost homes from any party need to be treated with utmost caution at best and damn lies at worst. | |||
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"i love the way you say "our unionist friends as to demean the rest of us.... "us and them" eh kinky..... anyway yes i did see the report, and yes I and really glad that nhs scotland did hit that target.... and i congratulate them on doing so obviously if you are going to recognise that target, they you have to recognise the scottish NHS on all the targets as provided by bi gary....... see, the problem for the likes of you kinky is you don't get to choose which targets you agree with, so you can either accept them all... or you can accept none!! so kinky.... pick ya poison! all or none? I am more than happy to say when nhs scotland do well, as long as you also concede that there are places where nhs scotland have to do a lot better....... are you? "There is always room for improving the NHS in Scotland But the fact remains Scotland's NHS is meeting targets In 18 months England , Wales and N.Ireland have not met any of the 3 targets such as ( Cancer treatment , A&E , Planned op's ) Scotland is the only one in the UK actually meeting those targets Yet we have people trying to shame the Scottish NHS for what for actually meeting targets tut tut | |||
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" As for the tory referreing a football match, that is a job he has in addition to his job as an MSP, just as many SNP MSP's and MP's have other jobs. He's actually the assistant ref at the Barcelona game. How many jobs does Ian Blackford have these days? " a couple of things here...... 1) I am not defending the mp involved, the motion is an opposition day motion, and the stance of the currant government is that their MP's are whipped not to vote on non-binding motions, (not something i agree with or their stance!) 2) you were asking how many jobs ian blackford has there days..... you really... really really don't want to go down avanue because all MP's have to declare what they earn in the members registar of inetrests.... and it is a public book of record... and i am looking at it now..... and it looks like the person you mentioned is a chairman of 2 different companies, of which he is being paid 3000 per month by 1 PLUS 1500 per day for any addition work he does for them, and 1000 per month by another...... let me tell you... the mp who is going to be a "lino" tonight won't be being paid nearly as much as that.....
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"i love the way you say "our unionist friends as to demean the rest of us.... "us and them" eh kinky..... anyway yes i did see the report, and yes I and really glad that nhs scotland did hit that target.... and i congratulate them on doing so obviously if you are going to recognise that target, they you have to recognise the scottish NHS on all the targets as provided by bi gary....... see, the problem for the likes of you kinky is you don't get to choose which targets you agree with, so you can either accept them all... or you can accept none!! so kinky.... pick ya poison! all or none? I am more than happy to say when nhs scotland do well, as long as you also concede that there are places where nhs scotland have to do a lot better....... are you?
There is always room for improving the NHS in Scotland
But the fact remains
Scotland's NHS is meeting targets
In 18 months England , Wales and N.Ireland have not met any of the 3 targets such as ( Cancer treatment , A&E , Planned op's )
Scotland is the only one in the UK actually meeting those targets
Yet we have people trying to shame the Scottish NHS for what for actually meeting targets tut tut
"no kinky.... NHS Scotland is hitting that particular target.... it is missing all the other targets as shown by Bi gary!!!!! that why i said you have to accept the ones you are missing if you are going to puff your chest out for the ones you are hitting...... | |||
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"i love the way you say "our unionist friends as to demean the rest of us.... "us and them" eh kinky..... anyway yes i did see the report, and yes I and really glad that nhs scotland did hit that target.... and i congratulate them on doing so obviously if you are going to recognise that target, they you have to recognise the scottish NHS on all the targets as provided by bi gary....... see, the problem for the likes of you kinky is you don't get to choose which targets you agree with, so you can either accept them all... or you can accept none!! so kinky.... pick ya poison! all or none? I am more than happy to say when nhs scotland do well, as long as you also concede that there are places where nhs scotland have to do a lot better....... are you?
There is always room for improving the NHS in Scotland
But the fact remains
Scotland's NHS is meeting targets
In 18 months England , Wales and N.Ireland have not met any of the 3 targets such as ( Cancer treatment , A&E , Planned op's )
Scotland is the only one in the UK actually meeting those targets
Yet we have people trying to shame the Scottish NHS for what for actually meeting targets tut tut
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"Kinky, I'll repeat my question just in case you may have missed it... How many affordable homes have the SNP built since they have been in government?" 10 years of SNP 60,000 houses build I wouldnt expect you to know that down in England how could you In my area i can see alot of new houses are being build as we speak Scottish Labour branch record when they were in government in Scotland Only 6 council houses build let that sink in | |||
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"i love the way you say "our unionist friends as to demean the rest of us.... "us and them" eh kinky..... anyway yes i did see the report, and yes I and really glad that nhs scotland did hit that target.... and i congratulate them on doing so obviously if you are going to recognise that target, they you have to recognise the scottish NHS on all the targets as provided by bi gary....... see, the problem for the likes of you kinky is you don't get to choose which targets you agree with, so you can either accept them all... or you can accept none!! so kinky.... pick ya poison! all or none? I am more than happy to say when nhs scotland do well, as long as you also concede that there are places where nhs scotland have to do a lot better....... are you?
There is always room for improving the NHS in Scotland
But the fact remains
Scotland's NHS is meeting targets
In 18 months England , Wales and N.Ireland have not met any of the 3 targets such as ( Cancer treatment , A&E , Planned op's )
Scotland is the only one in the UK actually meeting those targets
Yet we have people trying to shame the Scottish NHS for what for actually meeting targets tut tut
Scotland missed all cancer treatment targets, and all planned ops. It met the A&E target something like 3 times out of 12. "Must be hard to actually admit Scotland NHS is actually meeting targets where as the rest of the UK is not meeting any of the targets Ah but its all doom and gloom in Scotland Hell the Nuffield Trust said The health services of England, Wales and Northern Ireland could learn lessons from the Scottish NHS | |||
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"i love the way you say "our unionist friends as to demean the rest of us.... "us and them" eh kinky..... anyway yes i did see the report, and yes I and really glad that nhs scotland did hit that target.... and i congratulate them on doing so obviously if you are going to recognise that target, they you have to recognise the scottish NHS on all the targets as provided by bi gary....... see, the problem for the likes of you kinky is you don't get to choose which targets you agree with, so you can either accept them all... or you can accept none!! so kinky.... pick ya poison! all or none? I am more than happy to say when nhs scotland do well, as long as you also concede that there are places where nhs scotland have to do a lot better....... are you?
There is always room for improving the NHS in Scotland
But the fact remains
Scotland's NHS is meeting targets
In 18 months England , Wales and N.Ireland have not met any of the 3 targets such as ( Cancer treatment , A&E , Planned op's )
Scotland is the only one in the UK actually meeting those targets
Yet we have people trying to shame the Scottish NHS for what for actually meeting targets tut tut
Scotland missed all cancer treatment targets, and all planned ops. It met the A&E target something like 3 times out of 12.
Must be hard to actually admit Scotland NHS is actually meeting targets where as the rest of the UK is not meeting any of the targets
Ah but its all doom and gloom in Scotland
Hell the Nuffield Trust said The health services of England, Wales and Northern Ireland could learn lessons from the Scottish NHS"As reported by the BBC this morning, NHS Scotland is meeting 8% of targets. | |||
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"Scottish Tory branch MP Douglas Ross in June 2017 '' My footballing + refereeing hobby won’t impact on my Parliamentary duties'' Yet going to miss a universal credit vote in parliament for a football game So missing in action for a damn football game What is does show is the Scottish Tory branch dont care about Scotland its party before country sadly people that voted these Tory branch mps in were mislead trying to go talk about devolved powers instead of telling them what these mp's would do in Westminster but then again the rest of us knew they would do fuck all and do what the UK Tory party tell them to do " did you not also ask, for example, if any other snp mps had other jobs whilst being at westminister.... because that part seems to have gone missing... so let me repeat that bit of the answer... "you really... really really don't want to go down avenue because all MP's have to declare what they earn in the members registar of interests.... and it is a public book of record... and i am looking at it now..... and it looks like the person you mentioned is a chairman of 2 different companies, of which he is being paid 3000 per month by 1 PLUS 1500 per day for any addition work he does for them (Golden Charter Trusts Ltd), and 1000 per month by another (Commsworld plc)...... Now if you want to turn this into a "MP's should not have a 2nd job" discussion..... more than happy to do that.... (i know how you like to try and spin out of conversations......) but (and i know you hate doing this) if you are going to criticise one side... and people on your own side are doing the same thing.... then should they not be criticised as well??? | |||
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"Scottish Tory branch MP Douglas Ross in June 2017 '' My footballing + refereeing hobby won’t impact on my Parliamentary duties'' Yet going to miss a universal credit vote in parliament for a football game So missing in action for a damn football game What is does show is the Scottish Tory branch dont care about Scotland its party before country sadly people that voted these Tory branch mps in were mislead trying to go talk about devolved powers instead of telling them what these mp's would do in Westminster but then again the rest of us knew they would do fuck all and do what the UK Tory party tell them to do " You know there are reasons why politicians miss votes all the time. What the whips do, is match up a Yes voter and a No voter on the issue, that way they cancel each other out. | |||
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"i love the way you say "our unionist friends as to demean the rest of us.... "us and them" eh kinky..... anyway yes i did see the report, and yes I and really glad that nhs scotland did hit that target.... and i congratulate them on doing so obviously if you are going to recognise that target, they you have to recognise the scottish NHS on all the targets as provided by bi gary....... see, the problem for the likes of you kinky is you don't get to choose which targets you agree with, so you can either accept them all... or you can accept none!! so kinky.... pick ya poison! all or none? I am more than happy to say when nhs scotland do well, as long as you also concede that there are places where nhs scotland have to do a lot better....... are you?
There is always room for improving the NHS in Scotland
But the fact remains
Scotland's NHS is meeting targets
In 18 months England , Wales and N.Ireland have not met any of the 3 targets such as ( Cancer treatment , A&E , Planned op's )
Scotland is the only one in the UK actually meeting those targets
Yet we have people trying to shame the Scottish NHS for what for actually meeting targets tut tut
Scotland missed all cancer treatment targets, and all planned ops. It met the A&E target something like 3 times out of 12.
Must be hard to actually admit Scotland NHS is actually meeting targets where as the rest of the UK is not meeting any of the targets
Ah but its all doom and gloom in Scotland
Hell the Nuffield Trust said The health services of England, Wales and Northern Ireland could learn lessons from the Scottish NHS"No, no problem looking at the data at all. I don't work in the sector so I don't have an emotional attachment either way. However, as with any other topic on the forums, no one should think that they can lie about a subject and not expect to get called on it. Like you saying they met their targets in 3 areas, when they didn't. | |||
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"Scottish Tory branch MP Douglas Ross in June 2017 '' My footballing + refereeing hobby won’t impact on my Parliamentary duties'' Yet going to miss a universal credit vote in parliament for a football game So missing in action for a damn football game What is does show is the Scottish Tory branch dont care about Scotland its party before country sadly people that voted these Tory branch mps in were mislead trying to go talk about devolved powers instead of telling them what these mp's would do in Westminster but then again the rest of us knew they would do fuck all and do what the UK Tory party tell them to do did you not also ask, for example, if any other snp mps had other jobs whilst being at westminister.... because that part seems to have gone missing... so let me repeat that bit of the answer... "you really... really really don't want to go down avenue because all MP's have to declare what they earn in the members registar of interests.... and it is a public book of record... and i am looking at it now..... and it looks like the person you mentioned is a chairman of 2 different companies, of which he is being paid 3000 per month by 1 PLUS 1500 per day for any addition work he does for them (Golden Charter Trusts Ltd), and 1000 per month by another (Commsworld plc)...... Now if you want to turn this into a "MP's should not have a 2nd job" discussion..... more than happy to do that.... (i know how you like to try and spin out of conversations......) but (and i know you hate doing this) if you are going to criticise one side... and people on your own side are doing the same thing.... then should they not be criticised as well???" Read above and you will see i dont have a problem with mp's have other jobs What i do have a problem with is MP's or MSP missing important votes for a damn hobby seems Douglas Ross's Constituents and their welfare are just an inconvenience Tell me something Fabio would you like it if your mp went to ref a football game when he /she should be in parliament doing the job he/she is meant to be doing and representing you and all the rest of his Constituents ? Now i seem to remember the Scottish Tory branch here in Scotland attacking the SNP non stop telling them to get on with the day job of governing Scotland But here we have it Douglas Ross going to Catalonia to ref a football game and Ruth Davidson going on the great british cake off shite Oh thats thats them getting on with the day job of representing their Constituents | |||
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"Do you have a problem with Davidson raising money for a cancer charity? " I dont have a problem with anyone raising money for charity What i do have a problem is Ruth Davidson attacking the SNP telling them to get on with their day job yet seems Ruth Davidson would rather go on tv shows Like ''Have i got news for you'' '' Great British bake off'' and wants to appear on a dance show all this when she is suppose to be a MSP first of all Ask her Constituents how many times she has held surgeries in her office ? | |||
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"Kinky, I'll repeat my question just in case you may have missed it... How many affordable homes have the SNP built since they have been in government? 10 years of SNP 60,000 houses build I wouldnt expect you to know that down in England how could you In my area i can see alot of new houses are being build as we speak Scottish Labour branch record when they were in government in Scotland Only 6 council houses build let that sink in " It is better than Labour but 6,000 per year is not enough! There are more than 150,000 families on waiting lists for a decent place to live. Nearly one million households suffer “fuel poverty” and 60,000 homes are overcrowded. The SNP need to do more for these people. | |||
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"Kinky, I'll repeat my question just in case you may have missed it... How many affordable homes have the SNP built since they have been in government? 10 years of SNP 60,000 houses build I wouldnt expect you to know that down in England how could you In my area i can see alot of new houses are being build as we speak Scottish Labour branch record when they were in government in Scotland Only 6 council houses build let that sink in It is better than Labour but 6,000 per year is not enough! There are more than 150,000 families on waiting lists for a decent place to live. Nearly one million households suffer “fuel poverty” and 60,000 homes are overcrowded. The SNP need to do more for these people." So you are praising the SNP for building more houses than Scottish Labour branch Then say the SNP need to do more hello!! the SNP said they will build 50,000 houses in their term in government that is them doing more Oh and SNP have also build more new schools and fixed the old schools in Scotland too While thanks to Labour great PFI's taxpayers will be paying that off for years to come and onto of that schools in Scotland had to be closed in fear of the buildings falling down yet not a peep from the media that it was under Labour they were build | |||
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"Kinky, I'll repeat my question just in case you may have missed it... How many affordable homes have the SNP built since they have been in government? 10 years of SNP 60,000 houses build I wouldnt expect you to know that down in England how could you In my area i can see alot of new houses are being build as we speak Scottish Labour branch record when they were in government in Scotland Only 6 council houses build let that sink in It is better than Labour but 6,000 per year is not enough! There are more than 150,000 families on waiting lists for a decent place to live. Nearly one million households suffer “fuel poverty” and 60,000 homes are overcrowded. The SNP need to do more for these people. So you are praising the SNP for building more houses than Scottish Labour branch Then say the SNP need to do more hello!! the SNP said they will build 50,000 houses in their term in government that is them doing more Oh and SNP have also build more new schools and fixed the old schools in Scotland too While thanks to Labour great PFI's taxpayers will be paying that off for years to come and onto of that schools in Scotland had to be closed in fear of the buildings falling down yet not a peep from the media that it was under Labour they were build " Dont schools count as education? I thought that was devolved? So just to clarify, have the SNP actually built the houses, or just promising to build them in the future? Are the 50,000 that you have quoted all council houses? | |||
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"Best not look at the Scottish evening papers tonight Kinky! Your loss is Liverpool's gain!" Better Together promise broke again How unionists give a fuck = zero So 5 of the 31e frigates promised to be build on the Clyde and the hardcore unionists are jumping for joy at workers on the Clyde losing out on work that was promised to them Is there any promise from 2014 that the Better Together mob have actually kept ? Lol | |||
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"How many built in an independent Scotland? None. Zero Bugger all. Nada. Hee haw. Zilch. Grievance monkey at work. "Yup thats what i expected for you rather than deal with the outright lie from 2014 you go on about an independent Scotland No no come on what is your view on this news coming out that the promise from Nov 2016 that 5 type 31e frigate will be build on the Clyde now changed to no longer will be build on the Clyde are you happy for workers to lose out of work that was promised to them ? Stop with that happens in an independent Scotland as Scotland is not independent right now its in the UK where promises are being broken Now seen as your in Scotland and no doubt you voted no are you happy to see promises being broken from the very people that told you to vote no ? | |||
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"Let's try and drag this back to the topic at hand. OP, please can you explain what you think home rule is and how it differs from independence? Secondly please can you provide a quote in which the phrase "home rule" was used and promised to Scotland by any politician in the last 20 years?" Come on OP, a definition and a quote. Shouldn't be hard. | |||
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"I'm just highlighting the alternative if Scotland was independent. If we were, there would be no frigates built on the Clyde by the Mod. They currently have work for an estimated 20 years, who else has that guarantee? But that's not good enough for you. ?? If you had your way, every man and woman there would lose their job. That's what your proposing, independence would devestate the shipbuilding industry in Scotland, but as a blood and soil nationalist you don't give a damn. After all, independence transcends all." Again as i expected Not a peep from you. So what is you views about the 5 type 31e frigates that were promised to be build on the clyde now no longer being build on the Clyde is that now acceptable ? Scotland is not independent right now so lets deal with Scotland in the UK and in the UK is appears as thought you are quite happy to see workers lose out on with they were promised why oh why are you happy about that ? | |||
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"Let's try and drag this back to the topic at hand. OP, please can you explain what you think home rule is and how it differs from independence? Secondly please can you provide a quote in which the phrase "home rule" was used and promised to Scotland by any politician in the last 20 years? Come on OP, a definition and a quote. Shouldn't be hard. "Again i see i have to answer by saying the definition is self govern registered yet ? Again i will break my one rule not to post shit on here just for you 3 videos from 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stJbtvHc0U8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L17r-P7yAw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwfvL4jQVDA Last time i checked Labour were part of the Better Together mob doesnt matter who is in government in the UK they have a duty to all the no voters to deliver what they promised Also interesting to see in that Scotland bill Labour wanted to offer the least amount of powers to be devolved to Scotland am not lying with this shit | |||
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"Let's try and drag this back to the topic at hand. OP, please can you explain what you think home rule is and how it differs from independence? Secondly please can you provide a quote in which the phrase "home rule" was used and promised to Scotland by any politician in the last 20 years? Come on OP, a definition and a quote. Shouldn't be hard.
Again i see i have to answer by saying the definition is self govern registered yet ?
Again i will break my one rule not to post shit on here just for you 3 videos from 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stJbtvHc0U8
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Last time i checked Labour were part of the Better Together mob doesnt matter who is in government in the UK they have a duty to all the no voters to deliver what they promised
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