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over a year ago
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Good I hope they relocate as fast as possible and before they go repay all the money they owe the British tax payer.
And then after they've gone, put out arrest warrants for the at least the fraudulent behaviour they've committed for the last twenty years which includes money laundering and deliberately bankrupting viable British businesses to get their greedy fat paws on the assets.....
After that burn down every RBS building left in the UK and grab back every penny from every shareholder and board member including anybody that's ever been on the board (including non executives) which is half the Labour party and hang them from lampposts for anybody that's thinking of trying the same thing! |
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News "
Yawn...as per usual you only quote the bits that suit your agenda.
You forgot to add the bit where the RBS boss suggested EU member states have "no incentive" to speed up talks over Theresa May's hoped-for interim deal, as the longer they "drag this out" the more chance there is of jobs moving to other European finance centres such as Paris, Amsterdam or Frankfurt. |
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As RBS is still basically owned by government/taxpayer..... Will any country they move to have to pay us back....and take on their massive debts? Who might want to do that? |
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"Good I hope they relocate as fast as possible and before they go repay all the money they owe the British tax payer.
And then after they've gone, put out arrest warrants for the at least the fraudulent behaviour they've committed for the last twenty years which includes money laundering and deliberately bankrupting viable British businesses to get their greedy fat paws on the assets.....
After that burn down every RBS building left in the UK and grab back every penny from every shareholder and board member including anybody that's ever been on the board (including non executives) which is half the Labour party and hang them from lampposts for anybody that's thinking of trying the same thing!"
I take it you are aware who the major share holder is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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"Good I hope they relocate as fast as possible and before they go repay all the money they owe the British tax payer.
And then after they've gone, put out arrest warrants for the at least the fraudulent behaviour they've committed for the last twenty years which includes money laundering and deliberately bankrupting viable British businesses to get their greedy fat paws on the assets.....
After that burn down every RBS building left in the UK and grab back every penny from every shareholder and board member including anybody that's ever been on the board (including non executives) which is half the Labour party and hang them from lampposts for anybody that's thinking of trying the same thing!
I take it you are aware who the major share holder is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News
Yawn...as per usual you only quote the bits that suit your agenda.
You forgot to add the bit where the RBS boss suggested EU member states have "no incentive" to speed up talks over Theresa May's hoped-for interim deal, as the longer they "drag this out" the more chance there is of jobs moving to other European finance centres such as Paris, Amsterdam or Frankfurt."
I quoted the bits that was reported on the News....and tbh...May can say what she likes...only idiots like you are taken in by her |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News
Yawn...as per usual you only quote the bits that suit your agenda.
You forgot to add the bit where the RBS boss suggested EU member states have "no incentive" to speed up talks over Theresa May's hoped-for interim deal, as the longer they "drag this out" the more chance there is of jobs moving to other European finance centres such as Paris, Amsterdam or Frankfurt.
I quoted the bits that was reported on the News....and tbh...May can say what she likes...only idiots like you are taken in by her "
the were always going to have to relocate "some" of the banking business anyway.... as EU law states thats certain banking functions within the EU can only be done within an EU member country anyway......
it really depends on what exposure to the "EU" any bank actually has.....
thats why you are going to see thousands of banking jobs that are now in london going elsewhere...
for example morgan stanley and goldman sachs are moving theirs from london to frankfurt, bank of america from london to dublin,
and that is just banking..... some "phama" companies will also have to move staff as well..... |
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News
Yawn...as per usual you only quote the bits that suit your agenda.
You forgot to add the bit where the RBS boss suggested EU member states have "no incentive" to speed up talks over Theresa May's hoped-for interim deal, as the longer they "drag this out" the more chance there is of jobs moving to other European finance centres such as Paris, Amsterdam or Frankfurt.
I quoted the bits that was reported on the News....and tbh...May can say what she likes...only idiots like you are taken in by her "
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This all plays into Jeremy corbyn's hands. You can't have a socialist utopia based around what happens at canary wharf, and a nation full of office workers. Get them out of the office and back into the factories. Then he'll beat China at it's own game! Up the workers!  |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News
Yawn...as per usual you only quote the bits that suit your agenda.
You forgot to add the bit where the RBS boss suggested EU member states have "no incentive" to speed up talks over Theresa May's hoped-for interim deal, as the longer they "drag this out" the more chance there is of jobs moving to other European finance centres such as Paris, Amsterdam or Frankfurt.
I quoted the bits that was reported on the News....and tbh...May can say what she likes...only idiots like you are taken in by her
the were always going to have to relocate "some" of the banking business anyway.... as EU law states thats certain banking functions within the EU can only be done within an EU member country anyway......
it really depends on what exposure to the "EU" any bank actually has.....
thats why you are going to see thousands of banking jobs that are now in london going elsewhere...
for example morgan stanley and goldman sachs are moving theirs from london to frankfurt, bank of america from london to dublin,
and that is just banking..... some "phama" companies will also have to move staff as well....."
RBS announced months ago that they were creating an EU office, located in Amsterdam.
Lots of positioning and posturing by many institutions to come in the next couple of months.
Incidentally, I was told at the weekend by someone who works in the City, that since the referendum, more financial jobs have been created in London than the rest of the EU combined! |
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" This all plays into Jeremy corbyn's hands. You can't have a socialist utopia based around what happens at canary wharf, and a nation full of office workers. Get them out of the office and back into the factories. Then he'll beat China at it's own game! Up the workers! "
Who knew brexit would deliver a socialist utopia.I beginning to think i never had all the facts.. |
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" This all plays into Jeremy corbyn's hands. You can't have a socialist utopia based around what happens at canary wharf, and a nation full of office workers. Get them out of the office and back into the factories. Then he'll beat China at it's own game! Up the workers!
Who knew brexit would deliver a socialist utopia.I beginning to think i never had all the facts.."
Why did you think Jeremy was pro leave? |
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over a year ago
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"Everyone needs to understand that it is vital to the national interest that is more important that a few thousand public school boys make a nice living than the country is economically viable... "
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"Everyone needs to understand that it is vital to the national interest that is more important that a few thousand public school boys make a nice living than the country is economically viable...
Im not sure that these brexiters get that the majority of our exports are services....IE banking....there was a report on Sky news from Ian King that Gold exports to other countries even cock up the figures "
Hopefully soon you'll be able to say "were" rather than are. |
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" This all plays into Jeremy corbyn's hands. You can't have a socialist utopia based around what happens at canary wharf, and a nation full of office workers. Get them out of the office and back into the factories. Then he'll beat China at it's own game! Up the workers!
Who knew brexit would deliver a socialist utopia.I beginning to think i never had all the facts..
Why did you think Jeremy was pro leave? "
He played his cards close to his chest.Knowing full well he'd get the bourgeoisie back down the saltmines where they belong . |
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" This all plays into Jeremy corbyn's hands. You can't have a socialist utopia based around what happens at canary wharf, and a nation full of office workers. Get them out of the office and back into the factories. Then he'll beat China at it's own game! Up the workers!
Who knew brexit would deliver a socialist utopia.I beginning to think i never had all the facts..
Why did you think Jeremy was pro leave?
He played his cards close to his chest.Knowing full well he'd get the bourgeoisie back down the saltmines where they belong . "
The new United kingdom will be built on sweat and graft. Not email and PowerPoint. |
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"Everyone needs to understand that it is vital to the national interest that is more important that a few thousand public school boys make a nice living than the country is economically viable...
Im not sure that these brexiters get that the majority of our exports are services....IE banking....there was a report on Sky news from Ian King that Gold exports to other countries even cock up the figures
Hopefully soon you'll be able to say "were" rather than are. "
I hope i dont have to Clem....as you know and should realise being an union official that thousands of jobs depend on it |
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"At least during the post Brexit/ socialist utopia rebuild, the house prices should be cheaper. "
We do need a few million affordable homes for local people built by proper british builders.
We could have more apprenticeships for the young kids.Plenty of work for the 20 something's before they get their girlfriends pregnant and new homes to move into.With new babies
A Beautiful plan.
Jeremy is thinking of the kids and our future. |
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"At least during the post Brexit/ socialist utopia rebuild, the house prices should be cheaper.
We do need a few million affordable homes for local people built by proper british builders.
We could have more apprenticeships for the young kids.Plenty of work for the 20 something's before they get their girlfriends pregnant and new homes to move into.With new babies
A Beautiful plan.
Jeremy is thinking of the kids and our future. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News
Yawn...as per usual you only quote the bits that suit your agenda.
You forgot to add the bit where the RBS boss suggested EU member states have "no incentive" to speed up talks over Theresa May's hoped-for interim deal, as the longer they "drag this out" the more chance there is of jobs moving to other European finance centres such as Paris, Amsterdam or Frankfurt.
I quoted the bits that was reported on the News....and tbh...May can say what she likes...only idiots like you are taken in by her "
Which Sky News program was it on? |
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over a year ago
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News
Yawn...as per usual you only quote the bits that suit your agenda.
You forgot to add the bit where the RBS boss suggested EU member states have "no incentive" to speed up talks over Theresa May's hoped-for interim deal, as the longer they "drag this out" the more chance there is of jobs moving to other European finance centres such as Paris, Amsterdam or Frankfurt.
I quoted the bits that was reported on the News....and tbh...May can say what she likes...only idiots like you are taken in by her
Which Sky News program was it on?"
It was on the news channel |
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"As RBS is still basically owned by government/taxpayer..... Will any country they move to have to pay us back....and take on their massive debts? Who might want to do that?"
RBS can move and it doesnt affect who owns the shares. So whatever country they move to doesnt have to pay you back or take on their debts. |
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"Everyone needs to understand that it is vital to the national interest that is more important that a few thousand public school boys make a nice living than the country is economically viable...
Im not sure that these brexiters get that the majority of our exports are services....IE banking....there was a report on Sky news from Ian King that Gold exports to other countries even cock up the figures
Hopefully soon you'll be able to say "were" rather than are.
I hope i dont have to Clem....as you know and should realise being an union official that thousands of jobs depend on it "
Skilled men will always be needed. Time for the soft middle class to get their precious hands dirty. |
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over a year ago
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News
Yawn...as per usual you only quote the bits that suit your agenda.
You forgot to add the bit where the RBS boss suggested EU member states have "no incentive" to speed up talks over Theresa May's hoped-for interim deal, as the longer they "drag this out" the more chance there is of jobs moving to other European finance centres such as Paris, Amsterdam or Frankfurt.
I quoted the bits that was reported on the News....and tbh...May can say what she likes...only idiots like you are taken in by her
Which Sky News program was it on?
It was on the news channel "
Sunday with Niall Paterson? |
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"Everyone needs to understand that it is vital to the national interest that is more important that a few thousand public school boys make a nice living than the country is economically viable...
Im not sure that these brexiters get that the majority of our exports are services....IE banking....there was a report on Sky news from Ian King that Gold exports to other countries even cock up the figures
Hopefully soon you'll be able to say "were" rather than are.
I hope i dont have to Clem....as you know and should realise being an union official that thousands of jobs depend on it
Skilled men will always be needed. Time for the soft middle class to get their precious hands dirty. "
Yeah things all took a downturn when they invented the cotton gin, now people are too lazy to seperate their own cotton! |
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over a year ago
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News
Yawn...as per usual you only quote the bits that suit your agenda.
You forgot to add the bit where the RBS boss suggested EU member states have "no incentive" to speed up talks over Theresa May's hoped-for interim deal, as the longer they "drag this out" the more chance there is of jobs moving to other European finance centres such as Paris, Amsterdam or Frankfurt.
I quoted the bits that was reported on the News....and tbh...May can say what she likes...only idiots like you are taken in by her
Which Sky News program was it on?
It was on the news channel
Sunday with Niall Paterson?"
Nope just reported normally...as Sky news are pro-brexit |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Everyone needs to understand that it is vital to the national interest that is more important that a few thousand public school boys make a nice living than the country is economically viable... "
thats being flippant.... but lets look at actual numbers.....
In 2016, financial and insurance services contributed £124.2 billion in gross value added (GVA) to the UK economy, 7.2% of the UK’s total GVA. London accounted for 51% of the total financial and insurance sector GVA in the UK in 2015.
There are over one million jobs in the financial and insurance sector (3.1% of all UK jobs).
The UK had a surplus of over £60 billion on trade in the financial and insurance sectors in 2016. In 2015-16, the banking sector alone contributed £24.4 billion to UK tax receipts in corporation tax, income tax, national insurance and through the bank levy. |
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News
Yawn...as per usual you only quote the bits that suit your agenda.
You forgot to add the bit where the RBS boss suggested EU member states have "no incentive" to speed up talks over Theresa May's hoped-for interim deal, as the longer they "drag this out" the more chance there is of jobs moving to other European finance centres such as Paris, Amsterdam or Frankfurt.
I quoted the bits that was reported on the News....and tbh...May can say what she likes...only idiots like you are taken in by her
Which Sky News program was it on?
It was on the news channel
Sunday with Niall Paterson?
Nope just reported normally...as Sky news are pro-brexit "
I should hope they are. There's no point being anti Brexit. The uk is leaving the EU. Get on with it. You might as well be anti "the tide coming in". |
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over a year ago
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News
Yawn...as per usual you only quote the bits that suit your agenda.
You forgot to add the bit where the RBS boss suggested EU member states have "no incentive" to speed up talks over Theresa May's hoped-for interim deal, as the longer they "drag this out" the more chance there is of jobs moving to other European finance centres such as Paris, Amsterdam or Frankfurt.
I quoted the bits that was reported on the News....and tbh...May can say what she likes...only idiots like you are taken in by her
Which Sky News program was it on?
It was on the news channel
Sunday with Niall Paterson?
Nope just reported normally...as Sky news are pro-brexit "
Relocating where? The whole business or just the bits of it? |
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over a year ago
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News
Yawn...as per usual you only quote the bits that suit your agenda.
You forgot to add the bit where the RBS boss suggested EU member states have "no incentive" to speed up talks over Theresa May's hoped-for interim deal, as the longer they "drag this out" the more chance there is of jobs moving to other European finance centres such as Paris, Amsterdam or Frankfurt.
I quoted the bits that was reported on the News....and tbh...May can say what she likes...only idiots like you are taken in by her
Which Sky News program was it on?
It was on the news channel
Sunday with Niall Paterson?
Nope just reported normally...as Sky news are pro-brexit
I should hope they are. There's no point being anti Brexit. The uk is leaving the EU. Get on with it. You might as well be anti "the tide coming in"."
Indeed i totally agree |
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over a year ago
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News
Yawn...as per usual you only quote the bits that suit your agenda.
You forgot to add the bit where the RBS boss suggested EU member states have "no incentive" to speed up talks over Theresa May's hoped-for interim deal, as the longer they "drag this out" the more chance there is of jobs moving to other European finance centres such as Paris, Amsterdam or Frankfurt.
I quoted the bits that was reported on the News....and tbh...May can say what she likes...only idiots like you are taken in by her
Which Sky News program was it on?
It was on the news channel
Sunday with Niall Paterson?
Nope just reported normally...as Sky news are pro-brexit
Relocating where? The whole business or just the bits of it?"
It said relocating if theres no transitional period agreed...read into that what you want |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News
Yawn...as per usual you only quote the bits that suit your agenda.
You forgot to add the bit where the RBS boss suggested EU member states have "no incentive" to speed up talks over Theresa May's hoped-for interim deal, as the longer they "drag this out" the more chance there is of jobs moving to other European finance centres such as Paris, Amsterdam or Frankfurt.
I quoted the bits that was reported on the News....and tbh...May can say what she likes...only idiots like you are taken in by her
Which Sky News program was it on?
It was on the news channel
Sunday with Niall Paterson?
Nope just reported normally...as Sky news are pro-brexit
Relocating where? The whole business or just the bits of it?"
it was always going to be just the bits that would been to be relocated as i mentioned in one of my posts before.....
the problem is is those "bits" could cost conservatively around 10,000 jobs moving out of london and the UK which will then go to other parts of the EU.... which then has other effects, revenues and taxes gained for example.... |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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I should hope they are. There's no point being anti Brexit. The uk is leaving the EU. Get on with it. You might as well be anti "the tide coming in"."
is that what you plan to tell those people who will have their jobs relocated?
"I'm sorry but you just happen to be collateral damage!"..........
tough!!! get on with it!!!! |
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I should hope they are. There's no point being anti Brexit. The uk is leaving the EU. Get on with it. You might as well be anti "the tide coming in".
is that what you plan to tell those people who will have their jobs relocated?
"I'm sorry but you just happen to be collateral damage!"..........
tough!!! get on with it!!!!"
Maybe you'll be supplying them with buckets of sand in which to bury their heads? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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" This all plays into Jeremy corbyn's hands. You can't have a socialist utopia based around what happens at canary wharf, and a nation full of office workers. Get them out of the office and back into the factories. Then he'll beat China at it's own game! Up the workers! "
You sound like Pol Pot. |
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" This all plays into Jeremy corbyn's hands. You can't have a socialist utopia based around what happens at canary wharf, and a nation full of office workers. Get them out of the office and back into the factories. Then he'll beat China at it's own game! Up the workers!
You sound like Pol Pot. "
I won't deny my left leanings. |
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By *omaMan
over a year ago
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"At least during the post Brexit/ socialist utopia rebuild, the house prices should be cheaper.
We do need a few million affordable homes for local people built by proper british builders.
We could have more apprenticeships for the young kids.Plenty of work for the 20 something's before they get their girlfriends pregnant and new homes to move into.With new babies
A Beautiful plan.
Jeremy is thinking of the kids and our future. "
Jeremy is thinking more along the lines of taking us back to the 70's when unions ruled the country and held the state to ransom when they wanted an extra tea break!
That's where his roots are. That's where I believe it would end up |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News
Yawn...as per usual you only quote the bits that suit your agenda.
You forgot to add the bit where the RBS boss suggested EU member states have "no incentive" to speed up talks over Theresa May's hoped-for interim deal, as the longer they "drag this out" the more chance there is of jobs moving to other European finance centres such as Paris, Amsterdam or Frankfurt.
I quoted the bits that was reported on the News....and tbh...May can say what she likes...only idiots like you are taken in by her
Which Sky News program was it on?
It was on the news channel
Sunday with Niall Paterson?
Nope just reported normally...as Sky news are pro-brexit
Relocating where? The whole business or just the bits of it?
it was always going to be just the bits that would been to be relocated as i mentioned in one of my posts before.....
the problem is is those "bits" could cost conservatively around 10,000 jobs moving out of london and the UK which will then go to other parts of the EU.... which then has other effects, revenues and taxes gained for example...."
Yes and all the employees will simply up sticks and relocate, pull their kids out of school, sell up homes and follow their employer
BULLSHIT |
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"At least during the post Brexit/ socialist utopia rebuild, the house prices should be cheaper.
We do need a few million affordable homes for local people built by proper british builders.
We could have more apprenticeships for the young kids.Plenty of work for the 20 something's before they get their girlfriends pregnant and new homes to move into.With new babies
A Beautiful plan.
Jeremy is thinking of the kids and our future.
Jeremy is thinking more along the lines of taking us back to the 70's when unions ruled the country and held the state to ransom when they wanted an extra tea break!
That's where his roots are. That's where I believe it would end up"
So it's better to vote tory and go back to the 50s or are they going to the 80s, i'm never quite sure.
This political time travel is complicated. Is anyone heading to the future.?
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"At least during the post Brexit/ socialist utopia rebuild, the house prices should be cheaper.
We do need a few million affordable homes for local people built by proper british builders.
We could have more apprenticeships for the young kids.Plenty of work for the 20 something's before they get their girlfriends pregnant and new homes to move into.With new babies
A Beautiful plan.
Jeremy is thinking of the kids and our future.
Jeremy is thinking more along the lines of taking us back to the 70's when unions ruled the country and held the state to ransom when they wanted an extra tea break!
That's where his roots are. That's where I believe it would end up"
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Funny isn't it. Its fine when this sort of thing effects working class miners and steel workers. But when it effects nice middle class people who work in a suit........  Oh heaven's! Won't somebody think of the children! |
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News
Yawn...as per usual you only quote the bits that suit your agenda.
You forgot to add the bit where the RBS boss suggested EU member states have "no incentive" to speed up talks over Theresa May's hoped-for interim deal, as the longer they "drag this out" the more chance there is of jobs moving to other European finance centres such as Paris, Amsterdam or Frankfurt.
I quoted the bits that was reported on the News....and tbh...May can say what she likes...only idiots like you are taken in by her
Which Sky News program was it on?
It was on the news channel
Sunday with Niall Paterson?
Nope just reported normally...as Sky news are pro-brexit
I should hope they are. There's no point being anti Brexit. The uk is leaving the EU. Get on with it. You might as well be anti "the tide coming in"."
Brexit can, and ought to be, stopped. It is not an inevitability. |
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I should hope they are. There's no point being anti Brexit. The uk is leaving the EU. Get on with it. You might as well be anti "the tide coming in".
Brexit can, and ought to be, stopped. It is not an inevitability."
There's just the small matter of the majority of voters in the referendum selecring that option. There was also a general election, so the electorate could have selected a pro-remain party.
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News "
I've just read it on sky news and he didn't say that at all.
The Sky report says:
"Sir Howard added RBS, which was prevented from collapsing by a taxpayer-funded bailout in 2008, would only see a "relatively small" number of jobs move to Amsterdam under its Brexit contingency plan."
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That's not the same as RBS relocating is it?
Fab fake news. |
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News
Yawn...as per usual you only quote the bits that suit your agenda.
You forgot to add the bit where the RBS boss suggested EU member states have "no incentive" to speed up talks over Theresa May's hoped-for interim deal, as the longer they "drag this out" the more chance there is of jobs moving to other European finance centres such as Paris, Amsterdam or Frankfurt.
I quoted the bits that was reported on the News....and tbh...May can say what she likes...only idiots like you are taken in by her
Which Sky News program was it on?
It was on the news channel
Sunday with Niall Paterson?
Nope just reported normally...as Sky news are pro-brexit
I should hope they are. There's no point being anti Brexit. The uk is leaving the EU. Get on with it. You might as well be anti "the tide coming in".
Brexit can, and ought to be, stopped. It is not an inevitability."
I seem to remember David Beckham saying something very similar 16months ago but.....
I think you will find the UK had a referendum on that one in June 2016
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" Funny isn't it. Its fine when this sort of thing effects working class miners and steel workers. But when it effects nice middle class people who work in a suit........ Oh heaven's! Won't somebody think of the children! "
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Were living in the era of the entitled, but it ain't benefit abusers.... It's those middle class been to university I deserve a fortune won't get my hands dirty, want to retire at 50,30 hour a week shirkers!.... Pretty much the same lot that make up the politicians and the think tanks and the journalists and the media luvvies.... I've never stopped laughing my arse off since brexit happened |
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News
I've just read it on sky news and he didn't say that at all.
The Sky report says:
"Sir Howard added RBS, which was prevented from collapsing by a taxpayer-funded bailout in 2008, would only see a "relatively small" number of jobs move to Amsterdam under its Brexit contingency plan."
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That's not the same as RBS relocating is it?
Fab fake news."
I am sorry... you are making me spit out my drink
you are the LAST person who can make those comments because you are making the exact opposite claim in the Toyota thread...
did you not say...
Job losses - bad
Jobs secured - good....
so you want the spin that toyota have invested a grand number of net zero jobs as a positive for brexit.... and call that RBS have confirmed that some jobs will have to be relocated because of brexit "fake news!"
really??????
how do you manage to keep a straight face whilst typing?
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News
I've just read it on sky news and he didn't say that at all.
The Sky report says:
"Sir Howard added RBS, which was prevented from collapsing by a taxpayer-funded bailout in 2008, would only see a "relatively small" number of jobs move to Amsterdam under its Brexit contingency plan."
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That's not the same as RBS relocating is it?
Fab fake news."
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" Funny isn't it. Its fine when this sort of thing effects working class miners and steel workers. But when it effects nice middle class people who work in a suit........ Oh heaven's! Won't somebody think of the children! "
JC is all about the children.Did you not read his manifesto. |
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News
I've just read it on sky news and he didn't say that at all.
The Sky report says:
"Sir Howard added RBS, which was prevented from collapsing by a taxpayer-funded bailout in 2008, would only see a "relatively small" number of jobs move to Amsterdam under its Brexit contingency plan."
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That's not the same as RBS relocating is it?
Fab fake news.
I quoted what was said on Sky news....you spin it in anyway you choose to "
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News
I've just read it on sky news and he didn't say that at all.
The Sky report says:
"Sir Howard added RBS, which was prevented from collapsing by a taxpayer-funded bailout in 2008, would only see a "relatively small" number of jobs move to Amsterdam under its Brexit contingency plan."
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That's not the same as RBS relocating is it?
Fab fake news.
I quoted what was said on Sky news....you spin it in anyway you choose to
I'm not spinning it either way. I've copy and pasted what was in the actual story on the news channel you claimed reported it.
You either didn't understand what he was saying or you've selectively adapted the story."
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I'm not spinning it either way. I've copy and pasted what was in the actual story on the news channel you claimed reported it.
You either didn't understand what he was saying or you've selectively adapted the story.
No it wasnt thats just appeared today...i quoted it yesterday "
ok, you heard it and posted it here, but they wrote it down differently. My apologies.
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I'm not spinning it either way. I've copy and pasted what was in the actual story on the news channel you claimed reported it.
You either didn't understand what he was saying or you've selectively adapted the story.
No it wasnt thats just appeared today...i quoted it yesterday
ok, you heard it and posted it here, but they wrote it down differently. My apologies.
So are they moving then?"
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I'm not spinning it either way. I've copy and pasted what was in the actual story on the news channel you claimed reported it.
You either didn't understand what he was saying or you've selectively adapted the story.
No it wasnt thats just appeared today...i quoted it yesterday
ok, you heard it and posted it here, but they wrote it down differently. My apologies.
So are they moving then?
I'll quote again....just so you get it....if theres no transitional deal "
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I'm not spinning it either way. I've copy and pasted what was in the actual story on the news channel you claimed reported it.
You either didn't understand what he was saying or you've selectively adapted the story.
No it wasnt thats just appeared today...i quoted it yesterday
ok, you heard it and posted it here, but they wrote it down differently. My apologies.
So are they moving then?
I'll quote again....just so you get it....if theres no transitional deal
Where is that in a written news story? Is it on Sky or somewhere else? If it true it's important."
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so you want the spin that toyota have invested a grand number of net zero jobs as a positive for brexit.... and call that RBS have confirmed that some jobs will have to be relocated because of brexit "fake news!"
really??????
how do you manage to keep a straight face whilst typing?
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Fabio,
The thread is that rbs are relocating.
'Relocating' and 'relocating a small proportion of jobs' are very different.
The nissan jobs secured or not is debateable as to why or why not. That's a discussion.
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Where is that in a written news story? Is it on Sky or somewhere else? If it true it's important.
You just quoted something that fits your interpretation of it....i just copied what they reported yesterday "
i just copy and pasted what was written on the channel you mentioned.
Did you post what you heard or what you read?
If it's true and in a written report it's important. Is it written anywhere? |
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Where is that in a written news story? Is it on Sky or somewhere else? If it true it's important.
You just quoted something that fits your interpretation of it....i just copied what they reported yesterday
i just copy and pasted what was written on the channel you mentioned.
Did you post what you heard or what you read?
If it's true and in a written report it's important. Is it written anywhere?"
I actually watch the news and dont read it....it was posted on the sky news tv page as breaking news then discussed....do you think i make these things up? |
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Did you post what you heard or what you read?
If it's true and in a written report it's important. Is it written anywhere?
I actually watch the news and dont read it....it was posted on the sky news tv page as breaking news then discussed....do you think i make these things up? "
I'm not saying you made it up. You've either mis-heard or mis-understood. The story that is actually written down on sky news 18:35 yesterday (8 Oct) says RBS will move a small proportion of staff. Not that rbs will be relocating. |
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Let's get something straight - there are risks and potential 'collateral damage' to UK PLC and the City both within and without the EU. EU membership isn't a social and economic panacea. Just have a look around at what's going on over there.
It's not as though the EU hasn't been trying to exercise more control of the City while we've been members of the EU is it. Of course the banks will keep their options open and move staff to cover all eventualities and legal obligations. If we were to remain part of the EU they'd still have potentially major problems (e.g regulation) to face and that could easily see London lose competitive advantage and shed jobs.
Judging by (but not restricted to) Juncker's recent comments, the EU's answer to everything seems to be more EU so put away any ideas that if we were to remain within it the UK would necessarily be a) better off and b) immune from the inexorable march towards a one size fits all single European state and all that entails. That's the reality not the status quo.
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Did you post what you heard or what you read?
If it's true and in a written report it's important. Is it written anywhere?
I actually watch the news and dont read it....it was posted on the sky news tv page as breaking news then discussed....do you think i make these things up?
I'm not saying you made it up. You've either mis-heard or mis-understood. The story that is actually written down on sky news 18:35 yesterday (8 Oct) says RBS will move a small proportion of staff. Not that rbs will be relocating."
Nah i didnt
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Did you post what you heard or what you read?
If it's true and in a written report it's important. Is it written anywhere?
I actually watch the news and dont read it....it was posted on the sky news tv page as breaking news then discussed....do you think i make these things up?
I'm not saying you made it up. You've either mis-heard or mis-understood. The story that is actually written down on sky news 18:35 yesterday (8 Oct) says RBS will move a small proportion of staff. Not that rbs will be relocating.
Nah i didnt
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" Funny isn't it. Its fine when this sort of thing effects working class miners and steel workers. But when it effects nice middle class people who work in a suit........ Oh heaven's! Won't somebody think of the children! .
Were living in the era of the entitled, but it ain't benefit abusers.... It's those middle class been to university I deserve a fortune won't get my hands dirty, want to retire at 50,30 hour a week shirkers!.... Pretty much the same lot that make up the politicians and the think tanks and the journalists and the media luvvies.... I've never stopped laughing my arse off since brexit happened "
The working class voted leave. The middle class and entitled won't let it rest. Business as usual. The little man hadn't had a pay rise in a decade. He decided enough was enough. He didnt care that you'll have to apply for a visa to go skiing, he's never been able to afford to go! He just wanted the influx of cheap labour to stop so that he might have a raise. Selfish bastard! |
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Christ, it'd be a different story if 50,000 property solicitors, accoutants, and divorce lawyers all migrated here! Imagine how cheap life would be! The high and mighty would be digging the bloody tunnel up! |
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" Funny isn't it. Its fine when this sort of thing effects working class miners and steel workers. But when it effects nice middle class people who work in a suit........ Oh heaven's! Won't somebody think of the children! .
Were living in the era of the entitled, but it ain't benefit abusers.... It's those middle class been to university I deserve a fortune won't get my hands dirty, want to retire at 50,30 hour a week shirkers!.... Pretty much the same lot that make up the politicians and the think tanks and the journalists and the media luvvies.... I've never stopped laughing my arse off since brexit happened
The working class voted leave. The middle class and entitled won't let it rest. Business as usual. The little man hadn't had a pay rise in a decade. He decided enough was enough. He didnt care that you'll have to apply for a visa to go skiing, he's never been able to afford to go! He just wanted the influx of cheap labour to stop so that he might have a raise. Selfish bastard!"
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"Christ, it'd be a different story if 50,000 property solicitors, accoutants, and divorce lawyers all migrated here! Imagine how cheap life would be! The high and mighty would be digging the bloody tunnel up! "
Too true! Complete hypocrites.
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I should hope they are. There's no point being anti Brexit. The uk is leaving the EU. Get on with it. You might as well be anti "the tide coming in".
Brexit can, and ought to be, stopped. It is not an inevitability.
There's just the small matter of the majority of voters in the referendum selecring that option. There was also a general election, so the electorate could have selected a pro-remain party.
So, if you disregard democracy, it could be stopped."
An advisory, non binding referendum, and a government that is supposed to act in the best interests of the people they represent.
There would be nothing undemocratic about stopping brexit.
Unless we start pretending words don't have meanings anymore.
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Brexit can, and ought to be, stopped. It is not an inevitability.
There's just the small matter of the majority of voters in the referendum selecring that option. There was also a general election, so the electorate could have selected a pro-remain party.
So, if you disregard democracy, it could be stopped.
An advisory, non binding referendum, and a government that is supposed to act in the best interests of the people they represent.
There would be nothing undemocratic about stopping brexit.
Unless we start pretending words don't have meanings anymore.
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The referndum was non-bindjng, but the majority of voters said Leave. To ignore that is un-democraric.
In the binding general election, a Remain party could have been chosen by the electorate, but weren't.
You might not like the results, but that's democracy. |
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I should hope they are. There's no point being anti Brexit. The uk is leaving the EU. Get on with it. You might as well be anti "the tide coming in".
Brexit can, and ought to be, stopped. It is not an inevitability.
There's just the small matter of the majority of voters in the referendum selecring that option. There was also a general election, so the electorate could have selected a pro-remain party.
So, if you disregard democracy, it could be stopped.
An advisory, non binding referendum, and a government that is supposed to act in the best interests of the people they represent.
There would be nothing undemocratic about stopping brexit.
Unless we start pretending words don't have meanings anymore.
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Fortunately they do! Hence when the government said "This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide." They kept their promise. Shock horror. |
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Brexit can, and ought to be, stopped. It is not an inevitability.
There's just the small matter of the majority of voters in the referendum selecring that option. There was also a general election, so the electorate could have selected a pro-remain party.
So, if you disregard democracy, it could be stopped.
An advisory, non binding referendum, and a government that is supposed to act in the best interests of the people they represent.
There would be nothing undemocratic about stopping brexit.
Unless we start pretending words don't have meanings anymore.
The referndum was non-bindjng, but the majority of voters said Leave. To ignore that is un-democraric.
In the binding general election, a Remain party could have been chosen by the electorate, but weren't.
You might not like the results, but that's democracy."
I wonder if the result went the other way, would farage and his ukippers give up on leaving the EU.I would suggest they would up their game and cobtinue the fight i doubt they'd roll over and play dead as is expected of remoaners. |
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Brexit can, and ought to be, stopped. It is not an inevitability.
There's just the small matter of the majority of voters in the referendum selecring that option. There was also a general election, so the electorate could have selected a pro-remain party.
So, if you disregard democracy, it could be stopped.
An advisory, non binding referendum, and a government that is supposed to act in the best interests of the people they represent.
There would be nothing undemocratic about stopping brexit.
Unless we start pretending words don't have meanings anymore.
The referndum was non-bindjng, but the majority of voters said Leave. To ignore that is un-democraric.
In the binding general election, a Remain party could have been chosen by the electorate, but weren't.
You might not like the results, but that's democracy.
I wonder if the result went the other way, would farage and his ukippers give up on leaving the EU.I would suggest they would up their game and continue the fight i doubt they'd roll over and play dead as is expected of remoaners. "
You just described Nicola Sturgeon. |
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Brexit can, and ought to be, stopped. It is not an inevitability.
There's just the small matter of the majority of voters in the referendum selecring that option. There was also a general election, so the electorate could have selected a pro-remain party.
So, if you disregard democracy, it could be stopped.
An advisory, non binding referendum, and a government that is supposed to act in the best interests of the people they represent.
There would be nothing undemocratic about stopping brexit.
Unless we start pretending words don't have meanings anymore.
The referndum was non-bindjng, but the majority of voters said Leave. To ignore that is un-democraric.
In the binding general election, a Remain party could have been chosen by the electorate, but weren't.
You might not like the results, but that's democracy.
I wonder if the result went the other way, would farage and his ukippers give up on leaving the EU.I would suggest they would up their game and continue the fight i doubt they'd roll over and play dead as is expected of remoaners.
You just described Nicola Sturgeon. "
Farage and sturgeon are very similar.. |
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Brexit can, and ought to be, stopped. It is not an inevitability.
There's just the small matter of the majority of voters in the referendum selecring that option. There was also a general election, so the electorate could have selected a pro-remain party.
So, if you disregard democracy, it could be stopped.
An advisory, non binding referendum, and a government that is supposed to act in the best interests of the people they represent.
There would be nothing undemocratic about stopping brexit.
Unless we start pretending words don't have meanings anymore.
The referndum was non-bindjng, but the majority of voters said Leave. To ignore that is un-democraric.
In the binding general election, a Remain party could have been chosen by the electorate, but weren't.
You might not like the results, but that's democracy.
I wonder if the result went the other way, would farage and his ukippers give up on leaving the EU.I would suggest they would up their game and continue the fight i doubt they'd roll over and play dead as is expected of remoaners.
You just described Nicola Sturgeon. Farage and sturgeon are very similar.. "
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"So the RBS have come out and said if there is no period of transition then they will be relocating
Source Sky News
Yawn...as per usual you only quote the bits that suit your agenda.
You forgot to add the bit where the RBS boss suggested EU member states have "no incentive" to speed up talks over Theresa May's hoped-for interim deal, as the longer they "drag this out" the more chance there is of jobs moving to other European finance centres such as Paris, Amsterdam or Frankfurt.
I quoted the bits that was reported on the News....and tbh...May can say what she likes...only idiots like you are taken in by her
Which Sky News program was it on?
It was on the news channel
Sunday with Niall Paterson?
Nope just reported normally...as Sky news are pro-brexit
Relocating where? The whole business or just the bits of it?
it was always going to be just the bits that would been to be relocated as i mentioned in one of my posts before.....
the problem is is those "bits" could cost conservatively around 10,000 jobs moving out of london and the UK which will then go to other parts of the EU.... which then has other effects, revenues and taxes gained for example....
Yes and all the employees will simply up sticks and relocate, pull their kids out of school, sell up homes and follow their employer
BULLSHIT"
The jobs will go, nobody said the employees would follow. After Brexit the British will need to be accepted by EU immigration before they can move. And why employ a Brit when theres workers already in these countries? |
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The referndum was non-bindjng, but the majority of voters said Leave. To ignore that is un-democraric.
In the binding general election, a Remain party could have been chosen by the electorate, but weren't.
You might not like the results, but that's democracy.
I wonder if the result went the other way, would farage and his ukippers give up on leaving the EU.I would suggest they would up their game and cobtinue the fight i doubt they'd roll over and play dead as is expected of remoaners. "
I agree with you, if you disagree with it, you should keep at it. The way to reverse it is by the opposite of what happened. A new referendum or voting in a GM for a party that is clearly remain. If that party wins, then there is a clear mandate to stop the Brexit process.
But the other poster saying it should just be stopped has no democratic mandate to do that. |
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Just separate the high end gambling arm of RBS from the high street one.
Let them all go Dublin or Paris or Frankfurt.... Or Singapore, I couldn't give a fuck.
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Brexit can, and ought to be, stopped. It is not an inevitability.
There's just the small matter of the majority of voters in the referendum selecring that option. There was also a general election, so the electorate could have selected a pro-remain party.
So, if you disregard democracy, it could be stopped.
An advisory, non binding referendum, and a government that is supposed to act in the best interests of the people they represent.
There would be nothing undemocratic about stopping brexit.
Unless we start pretending words don't have meanings anymore.
The referndum was non-bindjng, but the majority of voters said Leave. To ignore that is un-democraric.
In the binding general election, a Remain party could have been chosen by the electorate, but weren't.
You might not like the results, but that's democracy."
There is nothing "undemocratic" about either of those.
Unbinding referenda are just that, unbinding. As for "the remain party won" nothing about that requires that they maintain their current course. Policies change all the time, especially when it turns out said policy is a moronic one.
The phrase you're looking for isn't "undemocratic" but rather "not what I think should happen" which is an entirely different concern. |
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The referndum was non-bindjng, but the majority of voters said Leave. To ignore that is un-democraric.
In the binding general election, a Remain party could have been chosen by the electorate, but weren't.
You might not like the results, but that's democracy.
I wonder if the result went the other way, would farage and his ukippers give up on leaving the EU.I would suggest they would up their game and cobtinue the fight i doubt they'd roll over and play dead as is expected of remoaners.
I agree with you, if you disagree with it, you should keep at it. The way to reverse it is by the opposite of what happened. A new referendum or voting in a GM for a party that is clearly remain. If that party wins, then there is a clear mandate to stop the Brexit process.
But the other poster saying it should just be stopped has no democratic mandate to do that."
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The government said "This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide."
Would you be happier if it said "This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide. As long as that's what we want to do as well." ? |
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" The government said "This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide."
Would you be happier if it said "This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide. As long as that's what we want to do as well." ?"
I don't recall hard brexit being on the ballot. Maybe I missed that bit.
So already that's put the lie to this catastrofuck being the result of the government simply obeying the whims of the people.
Parliament is sovereign and is supposed to act in the best interests of the state. Therefore it's entirely within their remit to look at this mess and go "fuck this, no." |
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" The government said "This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide."
Would you be happier if it said "This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide. As long as that's what we want to do as well." ?
I don't recall hard brexit being on the ballot. Maybe I missed that bit.
So already that's put the lie to this catastrofuck being the result of the government simply obeying the whims of the people.
Parliament is sovereign and is supposed to act in the best interests of the state. Therefore it's entirely within their remit to look at this mess and go "fuck this, no." "
Soft brexit wasn't on the ballot paper either. . the question on the paper asked Leave or Remain. . .
and who the fuck enters negotiations saying I'll Take Anything You Offer?. . . .
would you rather we pander to everything the EU asks for just to get some kind of a trade deal or would you be saying This Is What We Are Prepared To Offer, Meet us Half Way And We Might Get A Handshake?
If the EU make ridiculous demands like we should pay for their pension plans etc after leaving then we should say
No Chance, Bye Bye and we walk. . .
The EU has to be given an ultimatum. . compromise on your demands and we'll compromised on ours . .
If we don't get a response then we walk away
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" The government said "This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide."
Would you be happier if it said "This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide. As long as that's what we want to do as well." ?
I don't recall hard brexit being on the ballot. Maybe I missed that bit.
So already that's put the lie to this catastrofuck being the result of the government simply obeying the whims of the people.
Parliament is sovereign and is supposed to act in the best interests of the state. Therefore it's entirely within their remit to look at this mess and go "fuck this, no."
Soft brexit wasn't on the ballot paper either. . the question on the paper asked Leave or Remain. . .
and who the fuck enters negotiations saying I'll Take Anything You Offer?. . . .
would you rather we pander to everything the EU asks for just to get some kind of a trade deal or would you be saying This Is What We Are Prepared To Offer, Meet us Half Way And We Might Get A Handshake?
If the EU make ridiculous demands like we should pay for their pension plans etc after leaving then we should say
No Chance, Bye Bye and we walk. . .
The EU has to be given an ultimatum. . compromise on your demands and we'll compromised on ours . .
If we don't get a response then we walk away
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" The government said "This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide."
Would you be happier if it said "This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide. As long as that's what we want to do as well." ?
I don't recall hard brexit being on the ballot. Maybe I missed that bit.
So already that's put the lie to this catastrofuck being the result of the government simply obeying the whims of the people.
Parliament is sovereign and is supposed to act in the best interests of the state. Therefore it's entirely within their remit to look at this mess and go "fuck this, no."
Soft brexit wasn't on the ballot paper either. . the question on the paper asked Leave or Remain. . .
and who the fuck enters negotiations saying I'll Take Anything You Offer?. . . .
would you rather we pander to everything the EU asks for just to get some kind of a trade deal or would you be saying This Is What We Are Prepared To Offer, Meet us Half Way And We Might Get A Handshake?
If the EU make ridiculous demands like we should pay for their pension plans etc after leaving then we should say
No Chance, Bye Bye and we walk. . .
The EU has to be given an ultimatum. . compromise on your demands and we'll compromised on ours . .
If we don't get a response then we walk away
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Brexit can, and ought to be, stopped. It is not an inevitability.
There's just the small matter of the majority of voters in the referendum selecring that option. There was also a general election, so the electorate could have selected a pro-remain party.
So, if you disregard democracy, it could be stopped.
An advisory, non binding referendum, and a government that is supposed to act in the best interests of the people they represent.
There would be nothing undemocratic about stopping brexit.
Unless we start pretending words don't have meanings anymore.
The referndum was non-bindjng, but the majority of voters said Leave. To ignore that is un-democraric.
In the binding general election, a Remain party could have been chosen by the electorate, but weren't.
You might not like the results, but that's democracy.
There is nothing "undemocratic" about either of those.
Unbinding referenda are just that, unbinding. As for "the remain party won" nothing about that requires that they maintain their current course. Policies change all the time, especially when it turns out said policy is a moronic one.
The phrase you're looking for isn't "undemocratic" but rather "not what I think should happen" which is an entirely different concern."
We had a general election in June! It's not like there has been major changes since then.
I think you've got things muddled. The election a couple of months back, was the opportunity for people to change their mind. Reversing that decision now would be undemocratic, no question. |
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"the telegraph reported on 27 Sept that Britain was under pressure to add £10billion to its divorce bill to cover the EU pension pot. . . . extortionate!"
But we committed to it....think of it like paying your phone contract you have taken out and cancel before the end perio...see these are4 the things Fargare and Boris never told you...some people with an ounce of brain knew this |
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By *abioMan
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" The government said "This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide."
Would you be happier if it said "This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide. As long as that's what we want to do as well." ?
I don't recall hard brexit being on the ballot. Maybe I missed that bit.
So already that's put the lie to this catastrofuck being the result of the government simply obeying the whims of the people.
Parliament is sovereign and is supposed to act in the best interests of the state. Therefore it's entirely within their remit to look at this mess and go "fuck this, no."
Soft brexit wasn't on the ballot paper either. . the question on the paper asked Leave or Remain. . .
and who the fuck enters negotiations saying I'll Take Anything You Offer?. . . .
would you rather we pander to everything the EU asks for just to get some kind of a trade deal or would you be saying This Is What We Are Prepared To Offer, Meet us Half Way And We Might Get A Handshake?
If the EU make ridiculous demands like we should pay for their pension plans etc after leaving then we should say
No Chance, Bye Bye and we walk. . .
The EU has to be given an ultimatum. . compromise on your demands and we'll compromised on ours . .
If we don't get a response then we walk away
"
the problem is that you make it sound the "threats" are only going one way... they are not!!!
for example its not the EU that are holding up the issue of the status of EU citizens in the uk..... that would be the UK government...
its not the EU that were threatening that if they didn't get what they want, the UK would look at becoming so sort of offshore haven... that would be the UK government....
you can try and keep up the narrative of the UK being the victims.... but its not true!!
its not compromise if like the uk position at the moment is that you want everything and give up nothing!!!! |
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" The government said "This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide."
Would you be happier if it said "This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide. As long as that's what we want to do as well." ?
I don't recall hard brexit being on the ballot. Maybe I missed that bit.
So already that's put the lie to this catastrofuck being the result of the government simply obeying the whims of the people.
Parliament is sovereign and is supposed to act in the best interests of the state. Therefore it's entirely within their remit to look at this mess and go "fuck this, no."
Soft brexit wasn't on the ballot paper either. . the question on the paper asked Leave or Remain. . .
and who the fuck enters negotiations saying I'll Take Anything You Offer?. . . .
would you rather we pander to everything the EU asks for just to get some kind of a trade deal or would you be saying This Is What We Are Prepared To Offer, Meet us Half Way And We Might Get A Handshake?
If the EU make ridiculous demands like we should pay for their pension plans etc after leaving then we should say
No Chance, Bye Bye and we walk. . .
The EU has to be given an ultimatum. . compromise on your demands and we'll compromised on ours . .
If we don't get a response then we walk away
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Or, and stay with me here, the UK goes "this was a stupid idea, nevermind".
That's an option too. |
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you can try and keep up the narrative of the UK being the victims.... but its not true!!
its not compromise if like the uk position at the moment is that you want everything and give up nothing!!!!"
That's why all the topics need to be discussed simultaneously. Then compromises / balances between all the issues could be made. By addressing each topic individually in order, it doesn't allow for compromises and give and take. No other negotiation would be carried out like that.
I don't think this will be solved by Davies and Barnier. It will be solved by someone prepared to talk an overview and look at all the issues together and propose a top level solution, then let the negotiating teams solve the details. |
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Brexit can, and ought to be, stopped. It is not an inevitability.
There's just the small matter of the majority of voters in the referendum selecring that option. There was also a general election, so the electorate could have selected a pro-remain party.
So, if you disregard democracy, it could be stopped.
An advisory, non binding referendum, and a government that is supposed to act in the best interests of the people they represent.
There would be nothing undemocratic about stopping brexit.
Unless we start pretending words don't have meanings anymore.
The referndum was non-bindjng, but the majority of voters said Leave. To ignore that is un-democraric.
In the binding general election, a Remain party could have been chosen by the electorate, but weren't.
You might not like the results, but that's democracy.
There is nothing "undemocratic" about either of those.
Unbinding referenda are just that, unbinding. As for "the remain party won" nothing about that requires that they maintain their current course. Policies change all the time, especially when it turns out said policy is a moronic one.
The phrase you're looking for isn't "undemocratic" but rather "not what I think should happen" which is an entirely different concern.
We had a general election in June! It's not like there has been major changes since then.
I think you've got things muddled. The election a couple of months back, was the opportunity for people to change their mind. Reversing that decision now would be undemocratic, no question."
So you keep saying. But that's all you keep saying.
At no point have you managed to convey what would actually stop the UK government from stopping brexit other than you don't think they should.
If it is in the best interests of the UK to abandon brexit, then parliament would be well within their rights to do so. In fact, they would be obliged to do so.
And you can shout undemocratic until you're blue in the face, but you'd still be wrong.
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over a year ago
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" The government said "This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide."
Would you be happier if it said "This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide. As long as that's what we want to do as well." ?
I don't recall hard brexit being on the ballot. Maybe I missed that bit.
So already that's put the lie to this catastrofuck being the result of the government simply obeying the whims of the people.
Parliament is sovereign and is supposed to act in the best interests of the state. Therefore it's entirely within their remit to look at this mess and go "fuck this, no."
Soft brexit wasn't on the ballot paper either. . the question on the paper asked Leave or Remain. . .
and who the fuck enters negotiations saying I'll Take Anything You Offer?. . . .
would you rather we pander to everything the EU asks for just to get some kind of a trade deal or would you be saying This Is What We Are Prepared To Offer, Meet us Half Way And We Might Get A Handshake?
If the EU make ridiculous demands like we should pay for their pension plans etc after leaving then we should say
No Chance, Bye Bye and we walk. . .
The EU has to be given an ultimatum. . compromise on your demands and we'll compromised on ours . .
If we don't get a response then we walk away
the problem is that you make it sound the "threats" are only going one way... they are not!!!
for example its not the EU that are holding up the issue of the status of EU citizens in the uk..... that would be the UK government...
its not the EU that were threatening that if they didn't get what they want, the UK would look at becoming so sort of offshore haven... that would be the UK government....
you can try and keep up the narrative of the UK being the victims.... but its not true!!
its not compromise if like the uk position at the moment is that you want everything and give up nothing!!!!"
And can you list the number of non-EU countries that are under the jurisdiction of the ECJ? |
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There will not be thousands of banking jobs moving to Europe. The banks are not opening new offices in these locations.
There will be minimal movement of personnel and banks are opening new entities or making more use of existing ones.
Very different things.
Source: me. I'm a senior manager at a global investment bank and I regularly attend Brexit & regulatory meetings and workshops. |
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The referndum was non-bindjng, but the majority of voters said Leave. To ignore that is un-democraric.
In the binding general election, a Remain party could have been chosen by the electorate, but weren't.
You might not like the results, but that's democracy.
There is nothing "undemocratic" about either of those.
Unbinding referenda are just that, unbinding. As for "the remain party won" nothing about that requires that they maintain their current course. Policies change all the time, especially when it turns out said policy is a moronic one.
The phrase you're looking for isn't "undemocratic" but rather "not what I think should happen" which is an entirely different concern.
We had a general election in June! It's not like there has been major changes since then.
I think you've got things muddled. The election a couple of months back, was the opportunity for people to change their mind. Reversing that decision now would be undemocratic, no question.
So you keep saying. But that's all you keep saying.
At no point have you managed to convey what would actually stop the UK government from stopping brexit other than you don't think they should.
If it is in the best interests of the UK to abandon brexit, then parliament would be well within their rights to do so. In fact, they would be obliged to do so.
And you can shout undemocratic until you're blue in the face, but you'd still be wrong.
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There's two things that would stop it. A second referendum, or a general election that brought a clear Remain party to power. Both can be done if the majority of the population want to stay.
If parliament were at a point where they thing Brexit should stop, they can legally vote against it, but should then hold a new GM. |
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The referndum was non-bindjng, but the majority of voters said Leave. To ignore that is un-democraric.
In the binding general election, a Remain party could have been chosen by the electorate, but weren't.
You might not like the results, but that's democracy.
There is nothing "undemocratic" about either of those.
Unbinding referenda are just that, unbinding. As for "the remain party won" nothing about that requires that they maintain their current course. Policies change all the time, especially when it turns out said policy is a moronic one.
The phrase you're looking for isn't "undemocratic" but rather "not what I think should happen" which is an entirely different concern.
We had a general election in June! It's not like there has been major changes since then.
I think you've got things muddled. The election a couple of months back, was the opportunity for people to change their mind. Reversing that decision now would be undemocratic, no question.
So you keep saying. But that's all you keep saying.
At no point have you managed to convey what would actually stop the UK government from stopping brexit other than you don't think they should.
If it is in the best interests of the UK to abandon brexit, then parliament would be well within their rights to do so. In fact, they would be obliged to do so.
And you can shout undemocratic until you're blue in the face, but you'd still be wrong.
There's two things that would stop it. A second referendum, or a general election that brought a clear Remain party to power. "
Neither of those are needed.
Representative democracy, it's a thing. |
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There's two things that would stop it. A second referendum, or a general election that brought a clear Remain party to power.
Neither of those are needed.
Representative democracy, it's a thing."
We elected representatives in June. They stood on a Leave platform. |
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There's two things that would stop it. A second referendum, or a general election that brought a clear Remain party to power.
Neither of those are needed.
Representative democracy, it's a thing.
We elected representatives in June. They stood on a Leave platform."
Some did, true. But a political platform isn't a suicide pact.
They're not required to maintain their positions until another GE is called. |
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There's two things that would stop it. A second referendum, or a general election that brought a clear Remain party to power.
Neither of those are needed.
Representative democracy, it's a thing.
We elected representatives in June. They stood on a Leave platform.
Some did, true. But a political platform isn't a suicide pact.
They're not required to maintain their positions until another GE is called."
Both major parties did.
You'd imagine they'd manage 3 months in which little to nothing has happened. Flipping position now would be a complete sham and would be seen as much by most people. |
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There's two things that would stop it. A second referendum, or a general election that brought a clear Remain party to power.
Neither of those are needed.
Representative democracy, it's a thing.
We elected representatives in June. They stood on a Leave platform.
Some did, true. But a political platform isn't a suicide pact.
They're not required to maintain their positions until another GE is called.
Both major parties did.
You'd imagine they'd manage 3 months in which little to nothing has happened. Flipping position now would be a complete sham and would be seen as much by most people."
Which is firmly in the "I don't think this should happen" school of objections, and not the "undemocratic" one, isn't it. |
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"There will not be thousands of banking jobs moving to Europe. The banks are not opening new offices in these locations.
There will be minimal movement of personnel and banks are opening new entities or making more use of existing ones.
Very different things.
Source: me. I'm a senior manager at a global investment bank and I regularly attend Brexit & regulatory meetings and workshops. "
You should pay more attention at these meetings. Deutsche Bank alone has said they'll be moving about 4,000 jobs from the UK to the EU. Not adding new jobs, moving jobs out of the UK and into the EU.
Common sense should tell you that if a bank is handling up to 28 countries work in one branch that moving up to 27 countries work somewhere else means there'll be less employees needed. Have you ever seen a major business dramatically cut the amount of work being done and just kept all the employees anyway? |
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There's two things that would stop it. A second referendum, or a general election that brought a clear Remain party to power.
Neither of those are needed.
Representative democracy, it's a thing.
We elected representatives in June. They stood on a Leave platform.
Some did, true. But a political platform isn't a suicide pact.
They're not required to maintain their positions until another GE is called.
Both major parties did.
You'd imagine they'd manage 3 months in which little to nothing has happened. Flipping position now would be a complete sham and would be seen as much by most people.
Which is firmly in the "I don't think this should happen" school of objections, and not the "undemocratic" one, isn't it."
No. Having a clear instruction to do one thing, then immediately doing the opposite is not democratic at all. |
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"There will not be thousands of banking jobs moving to Europe. The banks are not opening new offices in these locations.
There will be minimal movement of personnel and banks are opening new entities or making more use of existing ones.
Very different things.
Source: me. I'm a senior manager at a global investment bank and I regularly attend Brexit & regulatory meetings and workshops.
You should pay more attention at these meetings. Deutsche Bank alone has said they'll be moving about 4,000 jobs from the UK to the EU. Not adding new jobs, moving jobs out of the UK and into the EU.
Common sense should tell you that if a bank is handling up to 28 countries work in one branch that moving up to 27 countries work somewhere else means there'll be less employees needed. Have you ever seen a major business dramatically cut the amount of work being done and just kept all the employees anyway?"
Ok. Time will tell.
My bank is expanding in the UK and even having new premises built. So we obviously have more confidence than others. |
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over a year ago
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"There will not be thousands of banking jobs moving to Europe. The banks are not opening new offices in these locations.
There will be minimal movement of personnel and banks are opening new entities or making more use of existing ones.
Very different things.
Source: me. I'm a senior manager at a global investment bank and I regularly attend Brexit & regulatory meetings and workshops.
You should pay more attention at these meetings. Deutsche Bank alone has said they'll be moving about 4,000 jobs from the UK to the EU. Not adding new jobs, moving jobs out of the UK and into the EU.
Common sense should tell you that if a bank is handling up to 28 countries work in one branch that moving up to 27 countries work somewhere else means there'll be less employees needed. Have you ever seen a major business dramatically cut the amount of work being done and just kept all the employees anyway?"
That's worse case scenario, and part of that is due to Deutsche Bank reconfiguring it's business model to concentrate more on the home market.
Deutsche Bank recently commited to London, by signing a 25 year lease on 469000 sq ft new office headquarters above Crossrail at Moorfield. |
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"Ok. Time will tell.
My bank is expanding in the UK and even having new premises built. So we obviously have more confidence than others. "
We dont need to wait for time to tell us. The banks and other financial companies are already telling us. They said they have to move jobs out of the UK, they've bought office spaces in these countries, they've applied for licenses, met with central banks and some have even met with the leaders of these countries to smooth the transition.
And common sense says that less work means less employees. Time isnt going to tell you anything new.
Your bank may be expanding but its not expanding its EU operations within the UK. And those are the jobs we're talking about, not locally based jobs.
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That's worse case scenario, and part of that is due to Deutsche Bank reconfiguring it's business model to concentrate more on the home market.
Deutsche Bank recently commited to London, by signing a 25 year lease on 469000 sq ft new office headquarters above Crossrail at Moorfield."
And?
Crossrail will be replacing other office buildings like its Willis and Great Winchester branches which have expiring leases and other smaller offices. No one said that every bank would decamp all at once and Britons would forever have to hide their money under the mattresses.
Banks, insurance companies and other financial institutions will remain in London. But they'll have less staff, use less local services and contribute billions less in tax revenue because of Brexit. |
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"The banking sector has been to big apart of our economy for to long maybe it's time to readdess the balance and invest more in manufacturing "
How do you do that when the UK could have an increase in import duties on raw materials, increased export duties on the finished products and countries that are better set up for manufacturing and with far lower costs? |
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There's two things that would stop it. A second referendum, or a general election that brought a clear Remain party to power.
Neither of those are needed.
Representative democracy, it's a thing.
We elected representatives in June. They stood on a Leave platform.
Some did, true. But a political platform isn't a suicide pact.
They're not required to maintain their positions until another GE is called.
Both major parties did.
You'd imagine they'd manage 3 months in which little to nothing has happened. Flipping position now would be a complete sham and would be seen as much by most people.
Which is firmly in the "I don't think this should happen" school of objections, and not the "undemocratic" one, isn't it.
No. Having a clear instruction to do one thing, then immediately doing the opposite is not democratic at all."
I really wish you'd stop using democratic as a synonym for "thing I think should happen".
You have, at no point, demonstrated what you're claiming.
And that's because you can't.
There is nothing undemocratic about stopping brexit. It is entirely within the remit of parliament to do so, regardless of the political platform parties ran on, or the result of a non-binding referendum.
You may not like it, but that doesn't make it undemocratic.
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I've drawn up plans for a anti antifa movement.
In the event of a cancelled brexit were ready to roll....
Instead of black were going for brown  ... Or maybe a nice khaki |
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"I've drawn up plans for a anti antifa movement.
In the event of a cancelled brexit were ready to roll....
Instead of black were going for brown ... Or maybe a nice khaki "
Are you telling me antifa wear black shirts.... how ironic. History repeating it's self! |
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I read a blog today from a brexiter.Its very entertaining. Its titled.
I don't like this Brexit, but I will live with it.
Now that we know there isn't going to be a deal we can at least narrow down some of the possibilities of what post-Brexit Britain looks like.
In the first year or so we are going to lose a lot of manufacturing. Virtually all JIT export manufacturing will fold inside a year. Initially we will see food prices plummet but this won't last. Domestic agriculture won't be able to compete and we'll see a gradual decline of UK production. UK meats will be premium produce and no longer affordable to most.
Once food importers have crushed all UK competition they will gradually raise their prices, simply because they can. Meanwhile wages will stay depressed and because of the collapse of disposable income and availability of staff, we can probably expect the service sector to take a big hit thus eliminating all the jobs that might provide a supplementary income.
Across the board we will see prices rising. There will be some serendipitous benefits but nothing that offsets the mass job losses. We will see a lot of foreign investment dry up and banking services will move to the EU. Dublin and Frankfurt. I expect that house prices will start to fall, but that's not going to do anyone any favours in the short to mid term.
Since a lot of freight will no longer be able to go through Calais we can expect a lot more use of the port at Hull so we may see an expansion in distribution centres in the North.
All in all we are looking at serious austerity as it will take a few years at least to rebuild our trade relations with third countries. If we go down the path of unilateral trade liberalisation then we will probably find it hard to strike new deals.
Meanwhile, since tax receipts will be way down we can expect major cuts to the forces and a number of Army redundancies. I expect to see RAF capability cut by a third. Soon enough it will become apparent that cuts to defence cannot go further so we can expect another round of cuts to council services. They will probably raise council tax to cope with it.
After years of the left bleating about austerity they are about to find out what it actually means. Britain is about to become a much more expensive pace to live. It will cause a spike in crime.
Interesting though will be how rapidly people adapt to it and habits will change, thus so will the culture. I expect cheap consumables from China will stay at low prices and they manage to circumvent the taxes and import controls anyway.
What I do expect to happen is a lot of engineering jobs to be axed since a lot of them are dependent on defence spending. It will kill off a number of parasitic resourcing firms and public sector suppliers. Basically it will wipe out the cosseted lower middle class and remind them that they are just as dispensable as the rest of us.
We can the expect to see a major rationalisation of the NHS and what functions it will perform. It will be more of a skeleton service than ever. I expect they will have trouble staffing it. Economic conditions more than any immigration control will bring numbers down to a trickle.
In every area of policy a lot of zombie projects will be culled and the things that survive on very slender justifications will fall. We can also expect banks to pull the plug in under-performing businesses. Unemployment will be back to where it was in the 80's.
The London economy will also change. Initially we will see an exodus back to the regions until rental prices normalise to the new conditions. Anyone who considers themselves "Just about managing" right now will look upon this time as carefree prosperity. There are going to be a lot of very pissed off people.
This will see a revival of local politics and national politics will become a lot more animated. I expect the Tories will be wiped out and we will have to put up with a Corbyn government for a while, but they will be tasked with making all the major cuts. We'll soon see how far their "compassion" really goes. Even if Corbs does manage to borrow, it won't go very far. It won't plug the hole.
Eventually things will settle down and we will get used to the new order of things. My gut instinct tells me that culturally it will be a vast improvement on the status quo. There will be more reasons to cooperate and more need to congregate. I expect to see a cultural revolution where young people actually start doing surprising and reckless things again rather than becoming tedious hipsters drinking energy drinks in pop-up cereal bar book shops or whatever it is they do these days. We'll be back to the days when students had to be frugal and from their resourcefulness manage to produce interesting things and events.
A few years in and we will then have started to rebuild EU relations, probably plugging back into Euratom, Erasmus, and a large part of the single market. It will take some time to plug back into the EU aviation market. The EU will be very cautious about what it lets us back in on.
Effectively we are looking at a ten year recession. Nothing ever experienced by those under 50. Admittedly this is not the Brexit I was gunning for. I wanted a negotiated settlement to maintain the single market so that we did not have to be substantially poorer, but, in a lot of ways I actually prefer this to the prospect of maintaining the 2015 status quo with ever degraded politics with increasingly less connection to each other.
I'm of the view that in recent years people have become increasingly spoiled and self-indulgent, inventing psychological problems for themselves in the absence of any real challenges or imperatives to grow as people. I have always primarily thought Brexit would be a reboot on British politics and culture. In a lot of ways it will bring back much of what is missing. A little austerity might very well make us less frivolous.
What I do know is that the banking crisis of 2008 set in motion a series of events whereby much of the corrective potential of it was dissipated with debt and spending, largely to preserve the political order. The disruptive potential of it was barely felt in the UK. Ever since we have stagnated and though the numbers on screen may tell a story of marginal growth, I just don't see it reflected in the world around me. I still see the regions dying out and London sucking the life and vitality out of every city, including Bristol. It reminds me that the wealth of a city is its people, not its contribution to GDP.
Ahead lies challenging times. It will not be easy. Those who expected things to improve will be disappointed. But then I have a clear conscience in this. I never made any big Brexit promises. I never said there would be sunlit uplands. I did not predict that the government would make this much of a pigs ear of it, or that we would be looking at the WTO option. I expected parliament would step in to prevent that. That it hasn't tells you a good deal about the state of modern politics.
And so with that in mind, as much as I would have had it go a different way, I think, given the opportunity to vote again I would still vote to leave. Eventually it gets to a point where any change will do. I prefer an uncertain future to the certainty I was looking at.
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"I read a blog today from a brexiter.Its very entertaining. Its titled.
I don't like this Brexit, but I will live with it.
Now that we know there isn't going to be a deal we can at least narrow down some of the possibilities of what post-Brexit Britain looks like.
In the first year or so we are going to lose a lot of manufacturing. Virtually all JIT export manufacturing will fold inside a year. Initially we will see food prices plummet but this won't last. Domestic agriculture won't be able to compete and we'll see a gradual decline of UK production. UK meats will be premium produce and no longer affordable to most.
Once food importers have crushed all UK competition they will gradually raise their prices, simply because they can. Meanwhile wages will stay depressed and because of the collapse of disposable income and availability of staff, we can probably expect the service sector to take a big hit thus eliminating all the jobs that might provide a supplementary income.
Across the board we will see prices rising. There will be some serendipitous benefits but nothing that offsets the mass job losses. We will see a lot of foreign investment dry up and banking services will move to the EU. Dublin and Frankfurt. I expect that house prices will start to fall, but that's not going to do anyone any favours in the short to mid term.
Since a lot of freight will no longer be able to go through Calais we can expect a lot more use of the port at Hull so we may see an expansion in distribution centres in the North.
All in all we are looking at serious austerity as it will take a few years at least to rebuild our trade relations with third countries. If we go down the path of unilateral trade liberalisation then we will probably find it hard to strike new deals.
Meanwhile, since tax receipts will be way down we can expect major cuts to the forces and a number of Army redundancies. I expect to see RAF capability cut by a third. Soon enough it will become apparent that cuts to defence cannot go further so we can expect another round of cuts to council services. They will probably raise council tax to cope with it.
After years of the left bleating about austerity they are about to find out what it actually means. Britain is about to become a much more expensive pace to live. It will cause a spike in crime.
Interesting though will be how rapidly people adapt to it and habits will change, thus so will the culture. I expect cheap consumables from China will stay at low prices and they manage to circumvent the taxes and import controls anyway.
What I do expect to happen is a lot of engineering jobs to be axed since a lot of them are dependent on defence spending. It will kill off a number of parasitic resourcing firms and public sector suppliers. Basically it will wipe out the cosseted lower middle class and remind them that they are just as dispensable as the rest of us.
We can the expect to see a major rationalisation of the NHS and what functions it will perform. It will be more of a skeleton service than ever. I expect they will have trouble staffing it. Economic conditions more than any immigration control will bring numbers down to a trickle.
In every area of policy a lot of zombie projects will be culled and the things that survive on very slender justifications will fall. We can also expect banks to pull the plug in under-performing businesses. Unemployment will be back to where it was in the 80's.
The London economy will also change. Initially we will see an exodus back to the regions until rental prices normalise to the new conditions. Anyone who considers themselves "Just about managing" right now will look upon this time as carefree prosperity. There are going to be a lot of very pissed off people.
This will see a revival of local politics and national politics will become a lot more animated. I expect the Tories will be wiped out and we will have to put up with a Corbyn government for a while, but they will be tasked with making all the major cuts. We'll soon see how far their "compassion" really goes. Even if Corbs does manage to borrow, it won't go very far. It won't plug the hole.
Eventually things will settle down and we will get used to the new order of things. My gut instinct tells me that culturally it will be a vast improvement on the status quo. There will be more reasons to cooperate and more need to congregate. I expect to see a cultural revolution where young people actually start doing surprising and reckless things again rather than becoming tedious hipsters drinking energy drinks in pop-up cereal bar book shops or whatever it is they do these days. We'll be back to the days when students had to be frugal and from their resourcefulness manage to produce interesting things and events.
A few years in and we will then have started to rebuild EU relations, probably plugging back into Euratom, Erasmus, and a large part of the single market. It will take some time to plug back into the EU aviation market. The EU will be very cautious about what it lets us back in on.
Effectively we are looking at a ten year recession. Nothing ever experienced by those under 50. Admittedly this is not the Brexit I was gunning for. I wanted a negotiated settlement to maintain the single market so that we did not have to be substantially poorer, but, in a lot of ways I actually prefer this to the prospect of maintaining the 2015 status quo with ever degraded politics with increasingly less connection to each other.
I'm of the view that in recent years people have become increasingly spoiled and self-indulgent, inventing psychological problems for themselves in the absence of any real challenges or imperatives to grow as people. I have always primarily thought Brexit would be a reboot on British politics and culture. In a lot of ways it will bring back much of what is missing. A little austerity might very well make us less frivolous.
What I do know is that the banking crisis of 2008 set in motion a series of events whereby much of the corrective potential of it was dissipated with debt and spending, largely to preserve the political order. The disruptive potential of it was barely felt in the UK. Ever since we have stagnated and though the numbers on screen may tell a story of marginal growth, I just don't see it reflected in the world around me. I still see the regions dying out and London sucking the life and vitality out of every city, including Bristol. It reminds me that the wealth of a city is its people, not its contribution to GDP.
Ahead lies challenging times. It will not be easy. Those who expected things to improve will be disappointed. But then I have a clear conscience in this. I never made any big Brexit promises. I never said there would be sunlit uplands. I did not predict that the government would make this much of a pigs ear of it, or that we would be looking at the WTO option. I expected parliament would step in to prevent that. That it hasn't tells you a good deal about the state of modern politics.
And so with that in mind, as much as I would have had it go a different way, I think, given the opportunity to vote again I would still vote to leave. Eventually it gets to a point where any change will do. I prefer an uncertain future to the certainty I was looking at.
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"I've drawn up plans for a anti antifa movement.
In the event of a cancelled brexit were ready to roll....
Instead of black were going for brown ... Or maybe a nice khaki
Are you telling me antifa wear black shirts.... how ironic. History repeating it's self! "
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"I've drawn up plans for a anti antifa movement.
It's always adorable watching people freak out about antifa.
Bless."
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Not half as adorable as watching you lot whine about brexit daily |
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"I've drawn up plans for a anti antifa movement.
In the event of a cancelled brexit were ready to roll....
Instead of black were going for brown ... Or maybe a nice khaki
Are you telling me antifa wear black shirts.... how ironic. History repeating it's self! .
Remoaners love antifa, they're like it's own little Gestapo bludgeoning democracy for the "new world order" of the educated "
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"I've drawn up plans for a anti antifa movement.
In the event of a cancelled brexit were ready to roll....
Instead of black were going for brown ... Or maybe a nice khaki
Are you telling me antifa wear black shirts.... how ironic. History repeating it's self! .
Remoaners love antifa, they're like it's own little Gestapo bludgeoning democracy for the "new world order" of the educated
The new world order is inevitable. The old world is dying. "
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"I've drawn up plans for a anti antifa movement.
It's always adorable watching people freak out about antifa.
Bless..
Not half as adorable as watching you lot whine about brexit daily "
The difference, of course, is one being a real thing, and the other being the boogyman of over-excitable sorts .
And I won't make it too explicit which is which, just in case you feel like taking your emoji out for a quick spin.
You have fun now. |
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"I've drawn up plans for a anti antifa movement.
In the event of a cancelled brexit were ready to roll....
Instead of black were going for brown ... Or maybe a nice khaki
Are you telling me antifa wear black shirts.... how ironic. History repeating it's self! .
Remoaners love antifa, they're like it's own little Gestapo bludgeoning democracy for the "new world order" of the educated
The new world order is inevitable. The old world is dying. "
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You do know where the new world order gets its origins from don't you?.
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"I've drawn up plans for a anti antifa movement.
It's always adorable watching people freak out about antifa.
Bless..
Not half as adorable as watching you lot whine about brexit daily
The difference, of course, is one being a real thing, and the other being the boogyman of over-excitable sorts .
And I won't make it too explicit which is which, just in case you feel like taking your emoji out for a quick spin.
You have fun now."
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You make me chuckle, your sat in another country pissing and moaning about brexit on a daily basis, you've joined a swingers site to do this? You've met nobody, fucked nobody, been nowhere....I bet that's brexits fault?... Over if only the Tories had given me access to Lithuania.
I have fun every day, day in day out, I work, I get paid, I spend it, I die eventually, lifes short in reality, if I want to emigrate to Australia it's up to me to learn a skill they want, same with Canada, the government will give you free training courses, free laptops, pay your day to day living expenses while doing it... Oh but no, if only there was a one world government,I could do all of that without any fucking effort at all!.
But but but but it's effecting me boo hoo coz I'm a snowflake  |
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"I've drawn up plans for a anti antifa movement.
It's always adorable watching people freak out about antifa.
Bless..
Not half as adorable as watching you lot whine about brexit daily
The difference, of course, is one being a real thing, and the other being the boogyman of over-excitable sorts .
And I won't make it too explicit which is which, just in case you feel like taking your emoji out for a quick spin.
You have fun now..
You make me chuckle, your sat in another country pissing and moaning about brexit on a daily basis, you've joined a swingers site to do this? You've met nobody, fucked nobody, been nowhere....I bet that's brexits fault?... Over if only the Tories had given me access to Lithuania.
I have fun every day, day in day out, I work, I get paid, I spend it, I die eventually, lifes short in reality, if I want to emigrate to Australia it's up to me to learn a skill they want, same with Canada, the government will give you free training courses, free laptops, pay your day to day living expenses while doing it... Oh but no, if only there was a one world government,I could do all of that without any fucking effort at all!.
But but but but it's effecting me boo hoo coz I'm a snowflake "
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"I've drawn up plans for a anti antifa movement.
It's always adorable watching people freak out about antifa.
Bless..
Not half as adorable as watching you lot whine about brexit daily
The difference, of course, is one being a real thing, and the other being the boogyman of over-excitable sorts .
And I won't make it too explicit which is which, just in case you feel like taking your emoji out for a quick spin.
You have fun now..
You make me chuckle, your sat in another country pissing and moaning about brexit on a daily basis, you've joined a swingers site to do this? You've met nobody, fucked nobody, been nowhere....I bet that's brexits fault?... Over if only the Tories had given me access to Lithuania.
I have fun every day, day in day out, I work, I get paid, I spend it, I die eventually, lifes short in reality, if I want to emigrate to Australia it's up to me to learn a skill they want, same with Canada, the government will give you free training courses, free laptops, pay your day to day living expenses while doing it... Oh but no, if only there was a one world government,I could do all of that without any fucking effort at all!.
But but but but it's effecting me boo hoo coz I'm a snowflake
I hope you feel better having got that out of your system."
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Yep... Made me reet chuckle.
Your giving a fiver a month to the British economy for nothing other than to rant about brexit, that makes me laugh as well |
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"I've drawn up plans for a anti antifa movement.
It's always adorable watching people freak out about antifa.
Bless..
Not half as adorable as watching you lot whine about brexit daily
The difference, of course, is one being a real thing, and the other being the boogyman of over-excitable sorts .
And I won't make it too explicit which is which, just in case you feel like taking your emoji out for a quick spin.
You have fun now..
You make me chuckle, your sat in another country pissing and moaning about brexit on a daily basis, you've joined a swingers site to do this? You've met nobody, fucked nobody, been nowhere....I bet that's brexits fault?... Over if only the Tories had given me access to Lithuania.
I have fun every day, day in day out, I work, I get paid, I spend it, I die eventually, lifes short in reality, if I want to emigrate to Australia it's up to me to learn a skill they want, same with Canada, the government will give you free training courses, free laptops, pay your day to day living expenses while doing it... Oh but no, if only there was a one world government,I could do all of that without any fucking effort at all!.
But but but but it's effecting me boo hoo coz I'm a snowflake
I hope you feel better having got that out of your system..
Yep... Made me reet chuckle.
Your giving a fiver a month to the British economy for nothing other than to rant about brexit, that makes me laugh as well "
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Your giving a fiver a month to the British economy for nothing other than to rant about brexit, that makes me laugh as well "
That joke sure made me feel better. |
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Your giving a fiver a month to the British economy for nothing other than to rant about brexit, that makes me laugh as well
That joke sure made me feel better. "
You should be wary of internet detectives, they're always wrong. |
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