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"Corbyn all the way. We need change and we need a fair logic way. So the Labour party gets my vote." Fair enough I respect everyone's view i just feel I need to start a political party . I'm gonna call it the common sense party as there's fuck all about atm!! | |||
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"I'd give Boris a chance. I like Boris "All us Corbyn followers would give Boris a chance  | |||
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"The country would roll their eyes in despair at another election. Nothing of substance has happened since the referendum, it's now time to focus on getting jobs done." My only two candidates I'd be willing to offer my support too are David Davis but he's got a more important job and I trust him to carry it out ,,,,, So I'm left with BOJO who did a fantastic job as London Mayor He was sufficiently competent to be re-elected and has vastly more experience at herding a bunch of wittering headless sheep ,,,,,,,, Whereas JC is just a total ideological nincompoop....... | |||
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"It's just one big circle with a two party system. Labour spend all the money promising the world and making us skint and people get pissed off so they get voted out then the Tories get in and cut spending to wipe the debt and people get pissed off so they get voted out and labour repeat the process. " British Politics since the Second World War summed up beautifully | |||
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"Both leaders are a joke. Labour need a strong more conservative with a small c candidate and they will get the votes. The conservatives need someone with balls who is credible and didn't sit on the fence during the brexit vote. May is a witch. Corbyn is a slimy untrustworthy snake. Where's all of the credible politicians gone ? " Boris Boris Boris | |||
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"Been a ukip voter since I could vote. Last election I voted for Theresa just to keep labour out as he would destroy this country. Boris and Nigel would be best running this country. If I could choose a name even better for a election. " What home rule credentials has Nigel got ? he's never suggested a policy he hasn't got a plan and you want him to run the country ......hahahahahhahahah pmsl | |||
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"Its a sad state of affairs when a country with an electorate the size of the UK has Corbyn or May as their primary choices to lead a government "What about America with Trump and Clinton? | |||
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"Its a sad state of affairs when a country with an electorate the size of the UK has Corbyn or May as their primary choices to lead a government
What about America with Trump and Clinton?"Very good point, well made.  | |||
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"Its a sad state of affairs when a country with an electorate the size of the UK has Corbyn or May as their primary choices to lead a government
What about America with Trump and Clinton?
Very good point, well made. "But hardly an example of aspiration The US is not an example the UK should acknowledged as credible | |||
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"Corbyn all the way. We need change and we need a fair logic way. So the Labour party gets my vote. Fair enough I respect everyone's view i just feel I need to start a political party . I'm gonna call it the common sense party as there's fuck all about atm!!" Oh maybe you could do that... Maybe we could shorten it. Maybe the communist party? Sounds like a good name to me. | |||
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"Corbyn all the way. We need change and we need a fair logic way. So the Labour party gets my vote. Fair enough I respect everyone's view i just feel I need to start a political party . I'm gonna call it the common sense party as there's fuck all about atm!! Oh maybe you could do that... Maybe we could shorten it. Maybe the communist party? Sounds like a good name to me." Corbyns model is going down a storm in Venezuela, see you all in the bread queue | |||
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"I would rather have direct democracy so everyone can vote on policies, not people, ideologies or parties." | |||
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"I would vote Tories as I have lived through Labour governments and each time they virtually bankrupted the country." Apart from when the global banking crash devastated the global economy and Labour steered the country into an upturn that other countries didn't have | |||
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"I would vote Tories as I have lived through Labour governments and each time they virtually bankrupted the country. Apart from when the global banking crash devastated the global economy and Labour steered the country into an upturn that other countries didn't have " Ahh you mean the outgoing "there's no money left" note. Proper fixed it didn't they | |||
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"I would vote Tories as I have lived through Labour governments and each time they virtually bankrupted the country." Lol you know nothing. | |||
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"It's just one big circle with a two party system. Labour spend all the money promising the world and making us skint and people get pissed off so they get voted out then the Tories get in and cut spending to wipe the debt and people get pissed off so they get voted out and labour repeat the process. British Politics since the Second World War summed up beautifully "If you know nothing about British politics 1945-present.... | |||
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"I would vote Tories as I have lived through Labour governments and each time they virtually bankrupted the country. Apart from when the global banking crash devastated the global economy and Labour steered the country into an upturn that other countries didn't have Ahh you mean the outgoing "there's no money left" note. Proper fixed it didn't they "And how do you expect a government to "fix" a global crash then? At least they did their best (as much as I despise "new" Labour) to keep us afloat, as opposed to just exploiting the situation to re-distribute wealth upwards. | |||
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"I don't vote for Prime minister but if I did it would be Corbyn. He's honest, wise and would put many of the wrongs in the UK to right. That party fully foster and itemised their elected term in their manifesto, unlike the Cons - an aspect of his honesty. The biggest, most important change is underway for the UK since the war - Brexit - and the Cons can't be trusted to get a deal that is fantastic for most of the country. Corbyn would create a stronger outcome for the majority of the people. Corbyn is someone I'd have been very comfortable with as an elder relative. A very decent man, whereas May is not in control, has a legacy of catastrophes from her previous job and isn't particularly intelligent nor wise, whilst at the helm of a nuthouse that is full of very dangerous people " Unfortunately that is exactly what he wants you to think. His beliefs are not based on what is best for the country or democracy, it is what is best for communism. He uses democracy to get in power and would then start to introduce far left policies which would bankrupt the country... You look at the Corbyn's left, they preach unicorns and fluffy bunny rabbits for all. However as soon as you disagree it's "I hope your kids get cancer you c~nts and you all die in a house fire." Very dangerous party at the moment followed by a lot of extremists... | |||
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"I don't vote for Prime minister but if I did it would be Corbyn. He's honest, wise and would put many of the wrongs in the UK to right. That party fully foster and itemised their elected term in their manifesto, unlike the Cons - an aspect of his honesty. The biggest, most important change is underway for the UK since the war - Brexit - and the Cons can't be trusted to get a deal that is fantastic for most of the country. Corbyn would create a stronger outcome for the majority of the people. Corbyn is someone I'd have been very comfortable with as an elder relative. A very decent man, whereas May is not in control, has a legacy of catastrophes from her previous job and isn't particularly intelligent nor wise, whilst at the helm of a nuthouse that is full of very dangerous people Unfortunately that is exactly what he wants you to think. His beliefs are not based on what is best for the country or democracy, it is what is best for communism. He uses democracy to get in power and would then start to introduce far left policies which would bankrupt the country... You look at the Corbyn's left, they preach unicorns and fluffy bunny rabbits for all. However as soon as you disagree it's "I hope your kids get cancer you c~nts and you all die in a house fire." Very dangerous party at the moment followed by a lot of extremists..." Rubbish! | |||
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"This is where we go wrong in our country thinking its a vote for the leaders, no its a vote for my local constituency mp and a manifesto. Maybe I am an idealist. I spent almost 20 years in public service. I hated carrying out the tory will to the populace- it was often pernicious. I like what labour stands for, always have. " Unfortunately with JC, DA and JmD are a dangerous bunch, I have never been a Labour fan but with David Miliband they would have been unstoppable... | |||
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"Nicola Sturgeon " According to my family in Scotland, she's spent a lot of money doing nothing... | |||
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"Nicola Sturgeon According to my family in Scotland, she's spent a lot of money doing nothing..." Alas, she is firmly on my list of crushes so it's hard to say I agree to a certain extent. With some things the SNP has made Scotland better. Over the last few years though they have taken their eye off the ball and a little slow to realise it. Only time will tell if they can pull the support back. Until then, she haunts my dreams. It's just.....odd..... | |||
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"None of the current main parties. There is lots of alternative talent about. I can think of Jacob Rees Mogg, Nigel Farage, Henry Bolton, David Davis, Bojo, Michael Gove, Andrea Leadsom, John Redwood. We need someone who will actually stand up for Britain. Neither May nor Corbyn is that person and neither has any vision which appeals or which can work." Michael Gove? The man who has single handed has destroyed the education system when he was Education Secretary and now our young people and teachers are suffering the consequences. I don’t think so. Talentless man who has been removed before and somehow lingers around like a dead rat behind a skirting board. | |||
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"So we're talking politics then?
"I thought we were taking about which leader would have the biggest erection .... Boris obviously | |||
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" I can remember when power cuts , 3 day working weeks , dead bodies unable to be buried because of industrial action and no bin collection for months, homes without heat because the nationalised miners were on strike even though their subsidised wage was significantly higher that the average worker ...... So no not the worst I've seen .... " But in those days you knew who and what politicians stood for. Some poor decisions maybe but at least there was a detailed debate. | |||
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" I can remember when power cuts , 3 day working weeks , dead bodies unable to be buried because of industrial action and no bin collection for months, homes without heat because the nationalised miners were on strike even though their subsidised wage was significantly higher that the average worker ...... So no not the worst I've seen .... But in those days you knew who and what politicians stood for. Some poor decisions maybe but at least there was a detailed debate." Doesn't alter the fact the politicians of the day couldn't effectively govern and the truth being the vast majority of politician were not from working class backgrounds so lacked the political knowledge and experience we demand of todays crop.... | |||
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" But in those days you knew who and what politicians stood for. Some poor decisions maybe but at least there was a detailed debate." That's not accurate .... The majority of those problems were exacerbated by an unwillingness of either side to debate.... It was a Mexican stand off situation | |||
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"Will we get in trouble for posting on a thread about politics not in the politics forum... "I might as I started it lol  | |||
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"I just cant get my head around if half the country vote for something they don't even understand. And the other half vote for stuff that doesn't get followed through. It's all utter bollocks " I take it the half who didn't even understand were the remainers right | |||
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"I just cant get my head around if half the country vote for something they don't even understand. And the other half vote for stuff that doesn't get followed through. It's all utter bollocks " Actually in a general election, often the majority of the country get what they didn't want. | |||
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"I'd rather the Tories than Labour to be honest xx" Without doubt ....
I was in favour of May but I now feel that was a mistake on my behalf .....
She should go ..... and I do believe that that David Davis would be my first choice but obviously his talent is being put to better use at the moment ....
So bring on BOJO ......  | |||
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"I'd rather the Tories than Labour to be honest xx Without doubt ....
I was in favour of May but I now feel that was a mistake on my behalf .....
She should go ..... and I do believe that that David Davis would be my first choice but obviously his talent is being put to better use at the moment ....
So bring on BOJO ...... "I can tolerate the Tories, I can even tolerate May and her robotic crap but Boris! 1.I can just see the dustopia future now with him as our leader 2.Boris as leader would make us a world wide laughing stock like the US with Donald Trump 3.Seriously everyone likes a comedian but as a political leader? fook that. Waiting for you to slag Corbyn off... | |||
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"I can fully understand people wanting May out for various reasons. But I find it very strange that having a cough and letters falling of a display would be the 'last straw'. Whoever comes next will have to be very careful not to repeat those mistakes!" You really couldn't script the speech debacle...... I think it will be the catalyst that brings her down | |||
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"Boris Johnson is the leader of the Boris Johnson party, his only aim is to promote the Boris Johnson party. He'll hang anyone out to dry who opposes the Boris Johnson party. We don't need megalomaniacs like him running the country. A poor man's Moseley. " | |||
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"Boris Johnson is the leader of the Boris Johnson party, his only aim is to promote the Boris Johnson party. He'll hang anyone out to dry who opposes the Boris Johnson party. We don't need megalomaniacs like him running the country. A poor man's Moseley. " Who would you have? | |||
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"What ever happed to William Hague? " He became exceptional at making money | |||
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"What ever happed to William Hague? He became exceptional at making money "Sounds ideal! Get him in number 10. | |||
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"What ever happed to William Hague? He became exceptional at making money
Sounds ideal! Get him in number 10."Joking aside he got the job of leader far too young. His time would be now and I think he'd be excellent | |||
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"Yes it has to be a Tory ..... Labour lost the election ... I mean lets be honest here about ayear ago Corbyn and his team was a laughing stock ...... He lost an election made a load of pie in the sky promises with no financial foundations totally unfeasible pledges aimed at a generation who believed his claptrap ... He can say anything he like knowing what he is saying will never be implemented If Labour and Corbyn were the answer it must have been a fucking stupid question "That was the change over from New Labour (who are Conservatives in disguise) to the old Labour. New Labour of course wanted Corbyn out, so you had infighting for a while but now it has settled down and we clearly have an old Labour with Corbyn as leader for the future so now we understand that lets move on! You say Corbyn's pledges are unfeasible? Labour costed their manifesto the Conservatives didn't and infact they have uturned so much they've ripped their manifesto up and put it in the trash where it belongs. | |||
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"Its a sad state of affairs when a country with an electorate the size of the UK has Corbyn or May as their primary choices to lead a government "And to think we took the piss out of the USA when their choice was Donny little hands or Corupt Hilary...... what goes around, comes around eh? | |||
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"Yes it has to be a Tory ..... Labour lost the election ... I mean lets be honest here about ayear ago Corbyn and his team was a laughing stock ...... He lost an election made a load of pie in the sky promises with no financial foundations totally unfeasible pledges aimed at a generation who believed his claptrap ... He can say anything he like knowing what he is saying will never be implemented If Labour and Corbyn were the answer it must have been a fucking stupid question
That was the change over from New Labour (who are Conservatives in disguise) to the old Labour. New Labour of course wanted Corbyn out, so you had infighting for a while but now it has settled down and we clearly have an old Labour with Corbyn as leader for the future so now we understand that lets move on!
You say Corbyn's pledges are unfeasible? Labour costed their manifesto the Conservatives didn't and infact they have uturned so much they've ripped their manifesto up and put it in the trash where it belongs."Corbyn's labour is not "old labour" they are not pro worker. As a union member and skilled man i actually feel alienated by JC's labour party. I feel he is pro non-worker. | |||
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"Yes it has to be a Tory ..... Labour lost the election ... I mean lets be honest here about ayear ago Corbyn and his team was a laughing stock ...... He lost an election made a load of pie in the sky promises with no financial foundations totally unfeasible pledges aimed at a generation who believed his claptrap ... He can say anything he like knowing what he is saying will never be implemented If Labour and Corbyn were the answer it must have been a fucking stupid question
That was the change over from New Labour (who are Conservatives in disguise) to the old Labour. New Labour of course wanted Corbyn out, so you had infighting for a while but now it has settled down and we clearly have an old Labour with Corbyn as leader for the future so now we understand that lets move on!
You say Corbyn's pledges are unfeasible? Labour costed their manifesto the Conservatives didn't and infact they have uturned so much they've ripped their manifesto up and put it in the trash where it belongs."That's for the response but I see what I see ...... The resurgence of labour popularity was and built on unworkable economics so and there is no-one capable of proving otherwise ...... Nonsense | |||
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"Yes it has to be a Tory ..... Labour lost the election ... I mean lets be honest here about ayear ago Corbyn and his team was a laughing stock ...... He lost an election made a load of pie in the sky promises with no financial foundations totally unfeasible pledges aimed at a generation who believed his claptrap ... He can say anything he like knowing what he is saying will never be implemented If Labour and Corbyn were the answer it must have been a fucking stupid question
That was the change over from New Labour (who are Conservatives in disguise) to the old Labour. New Labour of course wanted Corbyn out, so you had infighting for a while but now it has settled down and we clearly have an old Labour with Corbyn as leader for the future so now we understand that lets move on!
You say Corbyn's pledges are unfeasible? Labour costed their manifesto the Conservatives didn't and infact they have uturned so much they've ripped their manifesto up and put it in the trash where it belongs.
That's for the response but I see what I see ......
The resurgence of labour popularity was and built on unworkable economics so and there is no-one capable of proving otherwise ......
Nonsense "Well the Tory's are in power and they've alot to deal with for the next couple of years so lets hope they deal with it well for all our sakes. | |||
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"Yes it has to be a Tory ..... Labour lost the election ... I mean lets be honest here about ayear ago Corbyn and his team was a laughing stock ...... He lost an election made a load of pie in the sky promises with no financial foundations totally unfeasible pledges aimed at a generation who believed his claptrap ... He can say anything he like knowing what he is saying will never be implemented If Labour and Corbyn were the answer it must have been a fucking stupid question
That was the change over from New Labour (who are Conservatives in disguise) to the old Labour. New Labour of course wanted Corbyn out, so you had infighting for a while but now it has settled down and we clearly have an old Labour with Corbyn as leader for the future so now we understand that lets move on!
You say Corbyn's pledges are unfeasible? Labour costed their manifesto the Conservatives didn't and infact they have uturned so much they've ripped their manifesto up and put it in the trash where it belongs.
That's for the response but I see what I see ......
The resurgence of labour popularity was and built on unworkable economics so and there is no-one capable of proving otherwise ......
Nonsense
Well the Tory's are in power and they've alot to deal with for the next couple of years so lets hope they deal with it well for all our sakes. "I sincerely hope so ..... Time plays trick on our memories particularly when those memories culminate in nothing ..... I have less confidence in the Tory party now than I've ever had ..... But I have no confidence in Labour ,,,,, | |||
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"Yes it has to be a Tory ..... Labour lost the election ... I mean lets be honest here about ayear ago Corbyn and his team was a laughing stock ...... He lost an election made a load of pie in the sky promises with no financial foundations totally unfeasible pledges aimed at a generation who believed his claptrap ... He can say anything he like knowing what he is saying will never be implemented If Labour and Corbyn were the answer it must have been a fucking stupid question
That was the change over from New Labour (who are Conservatives in disguise) to the old Labour. New Labour of course wanted Corbyn out, so you had infighting for a while but now it has settled down and we clearly have an old Labour with Corbyn as leader for the future so now we understand that lets move on!
You say Corbyn's pledges are unfeasible? Labour costed their manifesto the Conservatives didn't and infact they have uturned so much they've ripped their manifesto up and put it in the trash where it belongs.
That's for the response but I see what I see ......
The resurgence of labour popularity was and built on unworkable economics so and there is no-one capable of proving otherwise ......
Nonsense
Well the Tory's are in power and they've alot to deal with for the next couple of years so lets hope they deal with it well for all our sakes.
I sincerely hope so .....
Time plays trick on our memories particularly when those memories culminate in nothing .....
I have less confidence in the Tory party now than I've ever had .....
But I have no confidence in Labour ,,,,, "Fair enough | |||
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"Yes it has to be a Tory ..... Labour lost the election ... I mean lets be honest here about ayear ago Corbyn and his team was a laughing stock ...... He lost an election made a load of pie in the sky promises with no financial foundations totally unfeasible pledges aimed at a generation who believed his claptrap ... He can say anything he like knowing what he is saying will never be implemented If Labour and Corbyn were the answer it must have been a fucking stupid question
That was the change over from New Labour (who are Conservatives in disguise) to the old Labour. New Labour of course wanted Corbyn out, so you had infighting for a while but now it has settled down and we clearly have an old Labour with Corbyn as leader for the future so now we understand that lets move on!
You say Corbyn's pledges are unfeasible? Labour costed their manifesto the Conservatives didn't and infact they have uturned so much they've ripped their manifesto up and put it in the trash where it belongs.
Corbyn's labour is not "old labour" they are not pro worker. As a union member and skilled man i actually feel alienated by JC's labour party. I feel he is pro non-worker."Apparently some people refer to Corbyns Labour as 'Real Labour'?. Before anyone say's it more like 'shit Labour' lol. A big change to Blair, Brown and Miliband which was desperately needed. I am sorry that JC has made you feel alienated I guess his politics isn't going to please everyone. | |||
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"Yes it has to be a Tory ..... Labour lost the election ... I mean lets be honest here about ayear ago Corbyn and his team was a laughing stock ...... He lost an election made a load of pie in the sky promises with no financial foundations totally unfeasible pledges aimed at a generation who believed his claptrap ... He can say anything he like knowing what he is saying will never be implemented If Labour and Corbyn were the answer it must have been a fucking stupid question
That was the change over from New Labour (who are Conservatives in disguise) to the old Labour. New Labour of course wanted Corbyn out, so you had infighting for a while but now it has settled down and we clearly have an old Labour with Corbyn as leader for the future so now we understand that lets move on!
You say Corbyn's pledges are unfeasible? Labour costed their manifesto the Conservatives didn't and infact they have uturned so much they've ripped their manifesto up and put it in the trash where it belongs.
Corbyn's labour is not "old labour" they are not pro worker. As a union member and skilled man i actually feel alienated by JC's labour party. I feel he is pro non-worker.
Apparently some people refer to Corbyns Labour as 'Real Labour'?. Before anyone say's it more like 'shit Labour' lol. A big change to Blair, Brown and Miliband which was desperately needed. I am sorry that JC has made you feel alienated I guess his politics isn't going to please everyone."It'll please those on benefits. And students....... until they start earning. | |||
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"Yes it has to be a Tory ..... Labour lost the election ... I mean lets be honest here about ayear ago Corbyn and his team was a laughing stock ...... He lost an election made a load of pie in the sky promises with no financial foundations totally unfeasible pledges aimed at a generation who believed his claptrap ... He can say anything he like knowing what he is saying will never be implemented If Labour and Corbyn were the answer it must have been a fucking stupid question
That was the change over from New Labour (who are Conservatives in disguise) to the old Labour. New Labour of course wanted Corbyn out, so you had infighting for a while but now it has settled down and we clearly have an old Labour with Corbyn as leader for the future so now we understand that lets move on!
You say Corbyn's pledges are unfeasible? Labour costed their manifesto the Conservatives didn't and infact they have uturned so much they've ripped their manifesto up and put it in the trash where it belongs.
Corbyn's labour is not "old labour" they are not pro worker. As a union member and skilled man i actually feel alienated by JC's labour party. I feel he is pro non-worker.
Apparently some people refer to Corbyns Labour as 'Real Labour'?. Before anyone say's it more like 'shit Labour' lol. A big change to Blair, Brown and Miliband which was desperately needed. I am sorry that JC has made you feel alienated I guess his politics isn't going to please everyone.
It'll please those on benefits. And students....... until they start earning. "Well I'm not on benefits or a student and I appreciate his politics. It would please those who need a working nhs, social care, pensioners, disbaled, and anyone who earns less than about 50,000 a year. | |||
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"Yes it has to be a Tory ..... Labour lost the election ... I mean lets be honest here about ayear ago Corbyn and his team was a laughing stock ...... He lost an election made a load of pie in the sky promises with no financial foundations totally unfeasible pledges aimed at a generation who believed his claptrap ... He can say anything he like knowing what he is saying will never be implemented If Labour and Corbyn were the answer it must have been a fucking stupid question
That was the change over from New Labour (who are Conservatives in disguise) to the old Labour. New Labour of course wanted Corbyn out, so you had infighting for a while but now it has settled down and we clearly have an old Labour with Corbyn as leader for the future so now we understand that lets move on!
You say Corbyn's pledges are unfeasible? Labour costed their manifesto the Conservatives didn't and infact they have uturned so much they've ripped their manifesto up and put it in the trash where it belongs.
Corbyn's labour is not "old labour" they are not pro worker. As a union member and skilled man i actually feel alienated by JC's labour party. I feel he is pro non-worker.
Apparently some people refer to Corbyns Labour as 'Real Labour'?. Before anyone say's it more like 'shit Labour' lol. A big change to Blair, Brown and Miliband which was desperately needed. I am sorry that JC has made you feel alienated I guess his politics isn't going to please everyone.
It'll please those on benefits. And students....... until they start earning.
Well I'm not on benefits or a student and I appreciate his politics. It would please those who need a working nhs, social care, pensioners, disbaled, and anyone who earns less than about 50,000 a year."How? Convince me please. Renew my faith in labour! | |||
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"Yes it has to be a Tory ..... Labour lost the election ... I mean lets be honest here about ayear ago Corbyn and his team was a laughing stock ...... He lost an election made a load of pie in the sky promises with no financial foundations totally unfeasible pledges aimed at a generation who believed his claptrap ... He can say anything he like knowing what he is saying will never be implemented If Labour and Corbyn were the answer it must have been a fucking stupid question
That was the change over from New Labour (who are Conservatives in disguise) to the old Labour. New Labour of course wanted Corbyn out, so you had infighting for a while but now it has settled down and we clearly have an old Labour with Corbyn as leader for the future so now we understand that lets move on!
You say Corbyn's pledges are unfeasible? Labour costed their manifesto the Conservatives didn't and infact they have uturned so much they've ripped their manifesto up and put it in the trash where it belongs.
Corbyn's labour is not "old labour" they are not pro worker. As a union member and skilled man i actually feel alienated by JC's labour party. I feel he is pro non-worker.
Apparently some people refer to Corbyns Labour as 'Real Labour'?. Before anyone say's it more like 'shit Labour' lol. A big change to Blair, Brown and Miliband which was desperately needed. I am sorry that JC has made you feel alienated I guess his politics isn't going to please everyone.
It'll please those on benefits. And students....... until they start earning.
Well I'm not on benefits or a student and I appreciate his politics. It would please those who need a working nhs, social care, pensioners, disbaled, and anyone who earns less than about 50,000 a year.
How? Convince me please. Renew my faith in labour!"Firstly he has a new group of politicans around him such as Angela Rayner and others that are down to earth and understand what the working class are about where they're from and they actually give a crap about it. David Cameron and Theresa May and especially Boris do you think they know anything about the working class or give a crap? Of course not that's why they make countless political mistakes then uturns and why they're so unpopular. Real Labour (if you like) do cost their manifesto and do give a crap in my opinion and they will pay for things by taxing the wealthiest and catching the big tax dodgers out there just for starters but also by running the country far better than the blundering Tory's. | |||
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"Its unfair to tar Prescott with the new labour brush. I think he would have been pretty good. Not under the command of Mandelson and Alastair Campbell." I knew someone who sailed with John Prescott when he was a Cabin Steward on ship ..... He was a useless lazy slovenly cabin Steward that did anything he could not to work ..... that's why he became a shop steward .....no-one would work with him | |||
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"Yes it has to be a Tory ..... Labour lost the election ... I mean lets be honest here about ayear ago Corbyn and his team was a laughing stock ...... He lost an election made a load of pie in the sky promises with no financial foundations totally unfeasible pledges aimed at a generation who believed his claptrap ... He can say anything he like knowing what he is saying will never be implemented If Labour and Corbyn were the answer it must have been a fucking stupid question
That was the change over from New Labour (who are Conservatives in disguise) to the old Labour. New Labour of course wanted Corbyn out, so you had infighting for a while but now it has settled down and we clearly have an old Labour with Corbyn as leader for the future so now we understand that lets move on!
You say Corbyn's pledges are unfeasible? Labour costed their manifesto the Conservatives didn't and infact they have uturned so much they've ripped their manifesto up and put it in the trash where it belongs.
Corbyn's labour is not "old labour" they are not pro worker. As a union member and skilled man i actually feel alienated by JC's labour party. I feel he is pro non-worker.
Apparently some people refer to Corbyns Labour as 'Real Labour'?. Before anyone say's it more like 'shit Labour' lol. A big change to Blair, Brown and Miliband which was desperately needed. I am sorry that JC has made you feel alienated I guess his politics isn't going to please everyone.
It'll please those on benefits. And students....... until they start earning.
Well I'm not on benefits or a student and I appreciate his politics. It would please those who need a working nhs, social care, pensioners, disbaled, and anyone who earns less than about 50,000 a year.
How? Convince me please. Renew my faith in labour!
Firstly he has a new group of politicans around him such as Angela Rayner and others that are down to earth and understand what the working class are about where they're from and they actually give a crap about it. David Cameron and Theresa May and especially Boris do you think they know anything about the working class or give a crap? Of course not that's why they make countless political mistakes then uturns and why they're so unpopular. Real Labour (if you like) do cost their manifesto and do give a crap in my opinion and they will pay for things by taxing the wealthiest and catching the big tax dodgers out there just for starters but also by running the country far better than the blundering Tory's."Who do you consider to be working class? If you tax the wealthiest the most (as is already the case) or even more, what's stopping them all going to Monaco etc? | |||
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"Its unfair to tar Prescott with the new labour brush. I think he would have been pretty good. Not under the command of Mandelson and Alastair Campbell. I knew someone who sailed with John Prescott when he was a Cabin Steward on ship ..... He was a useless lazy slovenly cabin Steward that did anything he could not to work ..... that's why he became a shop steward .....no-one would work with him "Ok. I no longer like him | |||
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"Its unfair to tar Prescott with the new labour brush. I think he would have been pretty good. Not under the command of Mandelson and Alastair Campbell. I knew someone who sailed with John Prescott when he was a Cabin Steward on ship ..... He was a useless lazy slovenly cabin Steward that did anything he could not to work ..... that's why he became a shop steward .....no-one would work with him "I've learnt something new there, I thought he was a lazy slovenly bar steward | |||
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"Its unfair to tar Prescott with the new labour brush. I think he would have been pretty good. Not under the command of Mandelson and Alastair Campbell. I knew someone who sailed with John Prescott when he was a Cabin Steward on ship ..... He was a useless lazy slovenly cabin Steward that did anything he could not to work ..... that's why he became a shop steward .....no-one would work with him
I've learnt something new there, I thought he was a lazy slovenly bar steward "You're getting mixed up.... That's what his wife called him when he was caught fucking a female assistant in his office in admiralty arch.... I seem to remember it was anal sex.... | |||
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"Yes it has to be a Tory ..... Labour lost the election ... I mean lets be honest here about ayear ago Corbyn and his team was a laughing stock ...... He lost an election made a load of pie in the sky promises with no financial foundations totally unfeasible pledges aimed at a generation who believed his claptrap ... He can say anything he like knowing what he is saying will never be implemented If Labour and Corbyn were the answer it must have been a fucking stupid question
That was the change over from New Labour (who are Conservatives in disguise) to the old Labour. New Labour of course wanted Corbyn out, so you had infighting for a while but now it has settled down and we clearly have an old Labour with Corbyn as leader for the future so now we understand that lets move on!
You say Corbyn's pledges are unfeasible? Labour costed their manifesto the Conservatives didn't and infact they have uturned so much they've ripped their manifesto up and put it in the trash where it belongs.
Corbyn's labour is not "old labour" they are not pro worker. As a union member and skilled man i actually feel alienated by JC's labour party. I feel he is pro non-worker.
Apparently some people refer to Corbyns Labour as 'Real Labour'?. Before anyone say's it more like 'shit Labour' lol. A big change to Blair, Brown and Miliband which was desperately needed. I am sorry that JC has made you feel alienated I guess his politics isn't going to please everyone.
It'll please those on benefits. And students....... until they start earning.
Well I'm not on benefits or a student and I appreciate his politics. It would please those who need a working nhs, social care, pensioners, disbaled, and anyone who earns less than about 50,000 a year.
How? Convince me please. Renew my faith in labour!
Firstly he has a new group of politicans around him such as Angela Rayner and others that are down to earth and understand what the working class are about where they're from and they actually give a crap about it. David Cameron and Theresa May and especially Boris do you think they know anything about the working class or give a crap? Of course not that's why they make countless political mistakes then uturns and why they're so unpopular. Real Labour (if you like) do cost their manifesto and do give a crap in my opinion and they will pay for things by taxing the wealthiest and catching the big tax dodgers out there just for starters but also by running the country far better than the blundering Tory's.
Who do you consider to be working class? If you tax the wealthiest the most (as is already the case) or even more, what's stopping them all going to Monaco etc?"They won't goto Monaco that is a typical conservative BS. They won;t need to be taxed that much more it is far more about running the country better and investing and believing in yourself that you can invest and payback with interest instead of just strangling the poorest for decades at a time with austerity. The Tory's promised to sort all in 5 years lol then 10 years then... through austerity it was BS and they knew it. George Osbourne was an absolute cancer and the best thing about Brexit was it got rid of Cameron and Osbourne and killed two very bad birds with one stone. | |||
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"Yes it has to be a Tory ..... Labour lost the election ... I mean lets be honest here about ayear ago Corbyn and his team was a laughing stock ...... He lost an election made a load of pie in the sky promises with no financial foundations totally unfeasible pledges aimed at a generation who believed his claptrap ... He can say anything he like knowing what he is saying will never be implemented If Labour and Corbyn were the answer it must have been a fucking stupid question
That was the change over from New Labour (who are Conservatives in disguise) to the old Labour. New Labour of course wanted Corbyn out, so you had infighting for a while but now it has settled down and we clearly have an old Labour with Corbyn as leader for the future so now we understand that lets move on!
You say Corbyn's pledges are unfeasible? Labour costed their manifesto the Conservatives didn't and infact they have uturned so much they've ripped their manifesto up and put it in the trash where it belongs.
Corbyn's labour is not "old labour" they are not pro worker. As a union member and skilled man i actually feel alienated by JC's labour party. I feel he is pro non-worker.
Apparently some people refer to Corbyns Labour as 'Real Labour'?. Before anyone say's it more like 'shit Labour' lol. A big change to Blair, Brown and Miliband which was desperately needed. I am sorry that JC has made you feel alienated I guess his politics isn't going to please everyone.
It'll please those on benefits. And students....... until they start earning.
Well I'm not on benefits or a student and I appreciate his politics. It would please those who need a working nhs, social care, pensioners, disbaled, and anyone who earns less than about 50,000 a year.
How? Convince me please. Renew my faith in labour!
Firstly he has a new group of politicans around him such as Angela Rayner and others that are down to earth and understand what the working class are about where they're from and they actually give a crap about it. David Cameron and Theresa May and especially Boris do you think they know anything about the working class or give a crap? Of course not that's why they make countless political mistakes then uturns and why they're so unpopular. Real Labour (if you like) do cost their manifesto and do give a crap in my opinion and they will pay for things by taxing the wealthiest and catching the big tax dodgers out there just for starters but also by running the country far better than the blundering Tory's.
Who do you consider to be working class? If you tax the wealthiest the most (as is already the case) or even more, what's stopping them all going to Monaco etc?
They won't goto Monaco that is a typical conservative BS. They won;t need to be taxed that much more it is far more about running the country better and investing and believing in yourself that you can invest and payback with interest instead of just strangling the poorest for decades at a time with austerity. The Tory's promised to sort all in 5 years lol then 10 years then... through austerity it was BS and they knew it. George Osbourne was an absolute cancer and the best thing about Brexit was it got rid of Cameron and Osbourne and killed two very bad birds with one stone."So who do you consider working class? Who is jeremy going to help? | |||
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"Its unfair to tar Prescott with the new labour brush. I think he would have been pretty good. Not under the command of Mandelson and Alastair Campbell. I knew someone who sailed with John Prescott when he was a Cabin Steward on ship ..... He was a useless lazy slovenly cabin Steward that did anything he could not to work ..... that's why he became a shop steward .....no-one would work with him
I've learnt something new there, I thought he was a lazy slovenly bar steward
You're getting mixed up....
That's what his wife called him when he was caught fucking a female assistant in his office in admiralty arch....
I seem to remember it was anal sex.... "I think that's mandatory for any politician .... skilled at fucking people up the arse..... | |||
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"Its unfair to tar Prescott with the new labour brush. I think he would have been pretty good. Not under the command of Mandelson and Alastair Campbell. I knew someone who sailed with John Prescott when he was a Cabin Steward on ship ..... He was a useless lazy slovenly cabin Steward that did anything he could not to work ..... that's why he became a shop steward .....no-one would work with him
I've learnt something new there, I thought he was a lazy slovenly bar steward
You're getting mixed up....
That's what his wife called him when he was caught fucking a female assistant in his office in admiralty arch....
I seem to remember it was anal sex....
I think that's mandatory for any politician .... skilled at fucking people up the arse..... "The story goes the fat fucker was so fat at the time he needed to keep one foot on the floor as he scuttled her over the desk..... Broken furniture ensued ..... | |||
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"Yes it has to be a Tory ..... Labour lost the election ... I mean lets be honest here about ayear ago Corbyn and his team was a laughing stock ...... He lost an election made a load of pie in the sky promises with no financial foundations totally unfeasible pledges aimed at a generation who believed his claptrap ... He can say anything he like knowing what he is saying will never be implemented If Labour and Corbyn were the answer it must have been a fucking stupid question
That was the change over from New Labour (who are Conservatives in disguise) to the old Labour. New Labour of course wanted Corbyn out, so you had infighting for a while but now it has settled down and we clearly have an old Labour with Corbyn as leader for the future so now we understand that lets move on!
You say Corbyn's pledges are unfeasible? Labour costed their manifesto the Conservatives didn't and infact they have uturned so much they've ripped their manifesto up and put it in the trash where it belongs.
Corbyn's labour is not "old labour" they are not pro worker. As a union member and skilled man i actually feel alienated by JC's labour party. I feel he is pro non-worker.
Apparently some people refer to Corbyns Labour as 'Real Labour'?. Before anyone say's it more like 'shit Labour' lol. A big change to Blair, Brown and Miliband which was desperately needed. I am sorry that JC has made you feel alienated I guess his politics isn't going to please everyone.
It'll please those on benefits. And students....... until they start earning.
Well I'm not on benefits or a student and I appreciate his politics. It would please those who need a working nhs, social care, pensioners, disbaled, and anyone who earns less than about 50,000 a year.
How? Convince me please. Renew my faith in labour!
Firstly he has a new group of politicans around him such as Angela Rayner and others that are down to earth and understand what the working class are about where they're from and they actually give a crap about it. David Cameron and Theresa May and especially Boris do you think they know anything about the working class or give a crap? Of course not that's why they make countless political mistakes then uturns and why they're so unpopular. Real Labour (if you like) do cost their manifesto and do give a crap in my opinion and they will pay for things by taxing the wealthiest and catching the big tax dodgers out there just for starters but also by running the country far better than the blundering Tory's.
Who do you consider to be working class? If you tax the wealthiest the most (as is already the case) or even more, what's stopping them all going to Monaco etc?
They won't goto Monaco that is a typical conservative BS. They won;t need to be taxed that much more it is far more about running the country better and investing and believing in yourself that you can invest and payback with interest instead of just strangling the poorest for decades at a time with austerity. The Tory's promised to sort all in 5 years lol then 10 years then... through austerity it was BS and they knew it. George Osbourne was an absolute cancer and the best thing about Brexit was it got rid of Cameron and Osbourne and killed two very bad birds with one stone.
So who do you consider working class? Who is jeremy going to help?"Anyone who can't afford to buy a home in London for a start. I always thought it was obvious who the working class is? anyone who wasn't born with a silver spoon in their mouth I suppose? If you were driven to school in a brand new top of the range Mercedes you probably wasn't in a working class family. | |||
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"Yes it has to be a Tory ..... Labour lost the election ... I mean lets be honest here about ayear ago Corbyn and his team was a laughing stock ...... He lost an election made a load of pie in the sky promises with no financial foundations totally unfeasible pledges aimed at a generation who believed his claptrap ... He can say anything he like knowing what he is saying will never be implemented If Labour and Corbyn were the answer it must have been a fucking stupid question
That was the change over from New Labour (who are Conservatives in disguise) to the old Labour. New Labour of course wanted Corbyn out, so you had infighting for a while but now it has settled down and we clearly have an old Labour with Corbyn as leader for the future so now we understand that lets move on!
You say Corbyn's pledges are unfeasible? Labour costed their manifesto the Conservatives didn't and infact they have uturned so much they've ripped their manifesto up and put it in the trash where it belongs.
Corbyn's labour is not "old labour" they are not pro worker. As a union member and skilled man i actually feel alienated by JC's labour party. I feel he is pro non-worker.
Apparently some people refer to Corbyns Labour as 'Real Labour'?. Before anyone say's it more like 'shit Labour' lol. A big change to Blair, Brown and Miliband which was desperately needed. I am sorry that JC has made you feel alienated I guess his politics isn't going to please everyone.
It'll please those on benefits. And students....... until they start earning.
Well I'm not on benefits or a student and I appreciate his politics. It would please those who need a working nhs, social care, pensioners, disbaled, and anyone who earns less than about 50,000 a year.
How? Convince me please. Renew my faith in labour!
Firstly he has a new group of politicans around him such as Angela Rayner and others that are down to earth and understand what the working class are about where they're from and they actually give a crap about it. David Cameron and Theresa May and especially Boris do you think they know anything about the working class or give a crap? Of course not that's why they make countless political mistakes then uturns and why they're so unpopular. Real Labour (if you like) do cost their manifesto and do give a crap in my opinion and they will pay for things by taxing the wealthiest and catching the big tax dodgers out there just for starters but also by running the country far better than the blundering Tory's.
Who do you consider to be working class? If you tax the wealthiest the most (as is already the case) or even more, what's stopping them all going to Monaco etc?
They won't goto Monaco that is a typical conservative BS. They won;t need to be taxed that much more it is far more about running the country better and investing and believing in yourself that you can invest and payback with interest instead of just strangling the poorest for decades at a time with austerity. The Tory's promised to sort all in 5 years lol then 10 years then... through austerity it was BS and they knew it. George Osbourne was an absolute cancer and the best thing about Brexit was it got rid of Cameron and Osbourne and killed two very bad birds with one stone.
So who do you consider working class? Who is jeremy going to help?
Anyone who can't afford to buy a home in London for a start. I always thought it was obvious who the working class is? anyone who wasn't born with a silver spoon in their mouth I suppose? If you were driven to school in a brand new top of the range Mercedes you probably wasn't in a working class family."I always think if you can't afford to live in london..... don't live in London. All the people I've met who dodge tax have been working class. | |||
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"Yes it has to be a Tory ..... Labour lost the election ... I mean lets be honest here about ayear ago Corbyn and his team was a laughing stock ...... He lost an election made a load of pie in the sky promises with no financial foundations totally unfeasible pledges aimed at a generation who believed his claptrap ... He can say anything he like knowing what he is saying will never be implemented If Labour and Corbyn were the answer it must have been a fucking stupid question
That was the change over from New Labour (who are Conservatives in disguise) to the old Labour. New Labour of course wanted Corbyn out, so you had infighting for a while but now it has settled down and we clearly have an old Labour with Corbyn as leader for the future so now we understand that lets move on!
You say Corbyn's pledges are unfeasible? Labour costed their manifesto the Conservatives didn't and infact they have uturned so much they've ripped their manifesto up and put it in the trash where it belongs.
Corbyn's labour is not "old labour" they are not pro worker. As a union member and skilled man i actually feel alienated by JC's labour party. I feel he is pro non-worker.
Apparently some people refer to Corbyns Labour as 'Real Labour'?. Before anyone say's it more like 'shit Labour' lol. A big change to Blair, Brown and Miliband which was desperately needed. I am sorry that JC has made you feel alienated I guess his politics isn't going to please everyone.
It'll please those on benefits. And students....... until they start earning.
Well I'm not on benefits or a student and I appreciate his politics. It would please those who need a working nhs, social care, pensioners, disbaled, and anyone who earns less than about 50,000 a year.
How? Convince me please. Renew my faith in labour!
Firstly he has a new group of politicans around him such as Angela Rayner and others that are down to earth and understand what the working class are about where they're from and they actually give a crap about it. David Cameron and Theresa May and especially Boris do you think they know anything about the working class or give a crap? Of course not that's why they make countless political mistakes then uturns and why they're so unpopular. Real Labour (if you like) do cost their manifesto and do give a crap in my opinion and they will pay for things by taxing the wealthiest and catching the big tax dodgers out there just for starters but also by running the country far better than the blundering Tory's.
Who do you consider to be working class? If you tax the wealthiest the most (as is already the case) or even more, what's stopping them all going to Monaco etc?
They won't goto Monaco that is a typical conservative BS. They won;t need to be taxed that much more it is far more about running the country better and investing and believing in yourself that you can invest and payback with interest instead of just strangling the poorest for decades at a time with austerity. The Tory's promised to sort all in 5 years lol then 10 years then... through austerity it was BS and they knew it. George Osbourne was an absolute cancer and the best thing about Brexit was it got rid of Cameron and Osbourne and killed two very bad birds with one stone.
So who do you consider working class? Who is jeremy going to help?
Anyone who can't afford to buy a home in London for a start. I always thought it was obvious who the working class is? anyone who wasn't born with a silver spoon in their mouth I suppose? If you were driven to school in a brand new top of the range Mercedes you probably wasn't in a working class family.
I always think if you can't afford to live in london..... don't live in London. All the people I've met who dodge tax have been working class. "Maybe some self employed fiddle the tax or cook the books is that what you mean? because most employed people have the tax deducted from their salary by their employer and have nothing to do with it. | |||
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"I don't vote for Prime minister but if I did it would be Corbyn. He's honest, wise and would put many of the wrongs in the UK to right. That party fully foster and itemised their elected term in their manifesto, unlike the Cons - an aspect of his honesty. The biggest, most important change is underway for the UK since the war - Brexit - and the Cons can't be trusted to get a deal that is fantastic for most of the country. Corbyn would create a stronger outcome for the majority of the people. Corbyn is someone I'd have been very comfortable with as an elder relative. A very decent man, whereas May is not in control, has a legacy of catastrophes from her previous job and isn't particularly intelligent nor wise, whilst at the helm of a nuthouse that is full of very dangerous people " "Corbyn is someone I'd have been very comfortable with as an elder relative. A very decent man, ..." Who dodges questions on terrorism (Palestinians), dictators (Venezuela) and honours IRA killers... yeah, a real nice guy! | |||
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"Yes it has to be a Tory ..... Labour lost the election ... I mean lets be honest here about ayear ago Corbyn and his team was a laughing stock ...... He lost an election made a load of pie in the sky promises with no financial foundations totally unfeasible pledges aimed at a generation who believed his claptrap ... He can say anything he like knowing what he is saying will never be implemented If Labour and Corbyn were the answer it must have been a fucking stupid question
That was the change over from New Labour (who are Conservatives in disguise) to the old Labour. New Labour of course wanted Corbyn out, so you had infighting for a while but now it has settled down and we clearly have an old Labour with Corbyn as leader for the future so now we understand that lets move on!
You say Corbyn's pledges are unfeasible? Labour costed their manifesto the Conservatives didn't and infact they have uturned so much they've ripped their manifesto up and put it in the trash where it belongs.
Corbyn's labour is not "old labour" they are not pro worker. As a union member and skilled man i actually feel alienated by JC's labour party. I feel he is pro non-worker.
Apparently some people refer to Corbyns Labour as 'Real Labour'?. Before anyone say's it more like 'shit Labour' lol. A big change to Blair, Brown and Miliband which was desperately needed. I am sorry that JC has made you feel alienated I guess his politics isn't going to please everyone.
It'll please those on benefits. And students....... until they start earning.
Well I'm not on benefits or a student and I appreciate his politics. It would please those who need a working nhs, social care, pensioners, disbaled, and anyone who earns less than about 50,000 a year.
How? Convince me please. Renew my faith in labour!
Firstly he has a new group of politicans around him such as Angela Rayner and others that are down to earth and understand what the working class are about where they're from and they actually give a crap about it. David Cameron and Theresa May and especially Boris do you think they know anything about the working class or give a crap? Of course not that's why they make countless political mistakes then uturns and why they're so unpopular. Real Labour (if you like) do cost their manifesto and do give a crap in my opinion and they will pay for things by taxing the wealthiest and catching the big tax dodgers out there just for starters but also by running the country far better than the blundering Tory's.
Who do you consider to be working class? If you tax the wealthiest the most (as is already the case) or even more, what's stopping them all going to Monaco etc?
They won't goto Monaco that is a typical conservative BS. They won;t need to be taxed that much more it is far more about running the country better and investing and believing in yourself that you can invest and payback with interest instead of just strangling the poorest for decades at a time with austerity. The Tory's promised to sort all in 5 years lol then 10 years then... through austerity it was BS and they knew it. George Osbourne was an absolute cancer and the best thing about Brexit was it got rid of Cameron and Osbourne and killed two very bad birds with one stone.
So who do you consider working class? Who is jeremy going to help?
Anyone who can't afford to buy a home in London for a start. I always thought it was obvious who the working class is? anyone who wasn't born with a silver spoon in their mouth I suppose? If you were driven to school in a brand new top of the range Mercedes you probably wasn't in a working class family.
I always think if you can't afford to live in london..... don't live in London. All the people I've met who dodge tax have been working class.
Maybe some self employed fiddle the tax or cook the books is that what you mean? because most employed people have the tax deducted from their salary by their employer and have nothing to do with it."Some self employed........
Seriously though. You can't say someone is working class because they can't afford a house in London! You sound like a tory who only worries about policies that affect london and Westminster. There's a whole nation out here that wonders why anyone would want to live anywhere near that shit pit! Can't afford to live there? Then don't. It's not rocket science. | |||
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"Yes it has to be a Tory ..... Labour lost the election ... I mean lets be honest here about ayear ago Corbyn and his team was a laughing stock ...... He lost an election made a load of pie in the sky promises with no financial foundations totally unfeasible pledges aimed at a generation who believed his claptrap ... He can say anything he like knowing what he is saying will never be implemented If Labour and Corbyn were the answer it must have been a fucking stupid question
That was the change over from New Labour (who are Conservatives in disguise) to the old Labour. New Labour of course wanted Corbyn out, so you had infighting for a while but now it has settled down and we clearly have an old Labour with Corbyn as leader for the future so now we understand that lets move on!
You say Corbyn's pledges are unfeasible? Labour costed their manifesto the Conservatives didn't and infact they have uturned so much they've ripped their manifesto up and put it in the trash where it belongs.
Corbyn's labour is not "old labour" they are not pro worker. As a union member and skilled man i actually feel alienated by JC's labour party. I feel he is pro non-worker.
Apparently some people refer to Corbyns Labour as 'Real Labour'?. Before anyone say's it more like 'shit Labour' lol. A big change to Blair, Brown and Miliband which was desperately needed. I am sorry that JC has made you feel alienated I guess his politics isn't going to please everyone.
It'll please those on benefits. And students....... until they start earning.
Well I'm not on benefits or a student and I appreciate his politics. It would please those who need a working nhs, social care, pensioners, disbaled, and anyone who earns less than about 50,000 a year.
How? Convince me please. Renew my faith in labour!
Firstly he has a new group of politicans around him such as Angela Rayner and others that are down to earth and understand what the working class are about where they're from and they actually give a crap about it. David Cameron and Theresa May and especially Boris do you think they know anything about the working class or give a crap? Of course not that's why they make countless political mistakes then uturns and why they're so unpopular. Real Labour (if you like) do cost their manifesto and do give a crap in my opinion and they will pay for things by taxing the wealthiest and catching the big tax dodgers out there just for starters but also by running the country far better than the blundering Tory's.
Who do you consider to be working class? If you tax the wealthiest the most (as is already the case) or even more, what's stopping them all going to Monaco etc?
They won't goto Monaco that is a typical conservative BS. They won;t need to be taxed that much more it is far more about running the country better and investing and believing in yourself that you can invest and payback with interest instead of just strangling the poorest for decades at a time with austerity. The Tory's promised to sort all in 5 years lol then 10 years then... through austerity it was BS and they knew it. George Osbourne was an absolute cancer and the best thing about Brexit was it got rid of Cameron and Osbourne and killed two very bad birds with one stone.
So who do you consider working class? Who is jeremy going to help?
Anyone who can't afford to buy a home in London for a start. I always thought it was obvious who the working class is? anyone who wasn't born with a silver spoon in their mouth I suppose? If you were driven to school in a brand new top of the range Mercedes you probably wasn't in a working class family.
I always think if you can't afford to live in london..... don't live in London. All the people I've met who dodge tax have been working class.
Maybe some self employed fiddle the tax or cook the books is that what you mean? because most employed people have the tax deducted from their salary by their employer and have nothing to do with it.
Some self employed........
Seriously though. You can't say someone is working class because they can't afford a house in London! You sound like a tory who only worries about policies that affect london and Westminster. There's a whole nation out here that wonders why anyone would want to live anywhere near that shit pit! Can't afford to live there? Then don't. It's not rocket science. "I think we might have crossed wires? I wouldn't recommend anyone live in London and as soon as I can get out of London the better. I was merely saying how high housing prices are in London not that anyone should want to live in London. | |||
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" You say Corbyn's pledges are unfeasible? Labour costed their manifesto the Conservatives didn't and infact they have uturned so much they've ripped their manifesto up and put it in the trash where it belongs." Two points. 1. If someone does something that doesn't work, surely changing it is a good thing. 2. Labour did eventually cost their manifesto £100 billion to sort out the students for starters. How were they going to fund this? A council tax based on a percentage of the value of your house. Council tax would have doubled for the average home owner. How would that help the working class? Luckily Dianne Abbott had managed to get the 30,000 new police officers she had promised down to £30 a month, so that's a bargain... Ps. She was educated under Labour. | |||
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"What ever happed to William Hague? He became exceptional at making money
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"Ok. So someone please tell me how JC will make my life better. Because honestly, it's not that bad. And I'm not going to vote so that people who choose not to work for a living can continue not to work for a living. Clem, in over 15years of working with people on benefits in varying capacities -- I have very rarely come across someone who chooses not to work. That's an insanely ignorant comment. " Talk to my neighbour. Mrs "if i worked I'd only get 500 quid more a year". The short sighted oxygen thief. What's worse is she's actually encouraging her daughter to do the same. And turned down the opportunity for her to do the eleven plus. "She's gonna be a drop out like her mum!" She cheerfully told me.. | |||
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"Ok. So someone please tell me how JC will make my life better. Because honestly, it's not that bad. And I'm not going to vote so that people who choose not to work for a living can continue not to work for a living. Clem, in over 15years of working with people on benefits in varying capacities -- I have very rarely come across someone who chooses not to work. That's an insanely ignorant comment. Talk to my neighbour. Mrs "if i worked I'd only get 500 quid more a year". The short sighted oxygen thief. What's worse is she's actually encouraging her daughter to do the same. And turned down the opportunity for her to do the eleven plus. "She's gonna be a drop out like her mum!" She cheerfully told me.." I would be interested in talking to her, yes. Really talking to her and understanding what's going on there. I find people tend to give you the answers they think you expect of them when they don't feel safe to really engage. | |||
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"Ok. So someone please tell me how JC will make my life better. Because honestly, it's not that bad. And I'm not going to vote so that people who choose not to work for a living can continue not to work for a living. Clem, in over 15years of working with people on benefits in varying capacities -- I have very rarely come across someone who chooses not to work. That's an insanely ignorant comment. Talk to my neighbour. Mrs "if i worked I'd only get 500 quid more a year". The short sighted oxygen thief. What's worse is she's actually encouraging her daughter to do the same. And turned down the opportunity for her to do the eleven plus. "She's gonna be a drop out like her mum!" She cheerfully told me.. I would be interested in talking to her, yes. Really talking to her and understanding what's going on there. I find people tend to give you the answers they think you expect of them when they don't feel safe to really engage. " You're making excuses for a lazy leach. | |||
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"Ok. So someone please tell me how JC will make my life better. Because honestly, it's not that bad. And I'm not going to vote so that people who choose not to work for a living can continue not to work for a living. Clem, in over 15years of working with people on benefits in varying capacities -- I have very rarely come across someone who chooses not to work. That's an insanely ignorant comment. Talk to my neighbour. Mrs "if i worked I'd only get 500 quid more a year". The short sighted oxygen thief. What's worse is she's actually encouraging her daughter to do the same. And turned down the opportunity for her to do the eleven plus. "She's gonna be a drop out like her mum!" She cheerfully told me.. I would be interested in talking to her, yes. Really talking to her and understanding what's going on there. I find people tend to give you the answers they think you expect of them when they don't feel safe to really engage. You're making excuses for a lazy leach." I guess you see what you want, Clem. I don't think I have -- I've said yes I'd be interested in taking to her. And then made a statement that in my experience is true. | |||
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"Ok. So someone please tell me how JC will make my life better. Because honestly, it's not that bad. And I'm not going to vote so that people who choose not to work for a living can continue not to work for a living. Clem, in over 15years of working with people on benefits in varying capacities -- I have very rarely come across someone who chooses not to work. That's an insanely ignorant comment. Talk to my neighbour. Mrs "if i worked I'd only get 500 quid more a year". The short sighted oxygen thief. What's worse is she's actually encouraging her daughter to do the same. And turned down the opportunity for her to do the eleven plus. "She's gonna be a drop out like her mum!" She cheerfully told me.. I would be interested in talking to her, yes. Really talking to her and understanding what's going on there. I find people tend to give you the answers they think you expect of them when they don't feel safe to really engage. You're making excuses for a lazy leach. I guess you see what you want, Clem. I don't think I have -- I've said yes I'd be interested in taking to her. And then made a statement that in my experience is true. " *talking | |||
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"Ok. So someone please tell me how JC will make my life better. Because honestly, it's not that bad. And I'm not going to vote so that people who choose not to work for a living can continue not to work for a living. Clem, in over 15years of working with people on benefits in varying capacities -- I have very rarely come across someone who chooses not to work. That's an insanely ignorant comment. Talk to my neighbour. Mrs "if i worked I'd only get 500 quid more a year". The short sighted oxygen thief. What's worse is she's actually encouraging her daughter to do the same. And turned down the opportunity for her to do the eleven plus. "She's gonna be a drop out like her mum!" She cheerfully told me.. I would be interested in talking to her, yes. Really talking to her and understanding what's going on there. I find people tend to give you the answers they think you expect of them when they don't feel safe to really engage. You're making excuses for a lazy leach. I guess you see what you want, Clem. I don't think I have -- I've said yes I'd be interested in taking to her. And then made a statement that in my experience is true. *talking " Living on a council estate i can tell you, her attitude is not unique. | |||
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"Ok. So someone please tell me how JC will make my life better. Because honestly, it's not that bad. And I'm not going to vote so that people who choose not to work for a living can continue not to work for a living. Clem, in over 15years of working with people on benefits in varying capacities -- I have very rarely come across someone who chooses not to work. That's an insanely ignorant comment. Talk to my neighbour. Mrs "if i worked I'd only get 500 quid more a year". The short sighted oxygen thief. What's worse is she's actually encouraging her daughter to do the same. And turned down the opportunity for her to do the eleven plus. "She's gonna be a drop out like her mum!" She cheerfully told me.. I would be interested in talking to her, yes. Really talking to her and understanding what's going on there. I find people tend to give you the answers they think you expect of them when they don't feel safe to really engage. You're making excuses for a lazy leach. I guess you see what you want, Clem. I don't think I have -- I've said yes I'd be interested in taking to her. And then made a statement that in my experience is true. *talking Living on a council estate i can tell you, her attitude is not unique. " I completely concur that *your* experience is likely to be this. That's kinda my point. | |||
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"Ok. So someone please tell me how JC will make my life better. Because honestly, it's not that bad. And I'm not going to vote so that people who choose not to work for a living can continue not to work for a living. Clem, in over 15years of working with people on benefits in varying capacities -- I have very rarely come across someone who chooses not to work. That's an insanely ignorant comment. Talk to my neighbour. Mrs "if i worked I'd only get 500 quid more a year". The short sighted oxygen thief. What's worse is she's actually encouraging her daughter to do the same. And turned down the opportunity for her to do the eleven plus. "She's gonna be a drop out like her mum!" She cheerfully told me.. I would be interested in talking to her, yes. Really talking to her and understanding what's going on there. I find people tend to give you the answers they think you expect of them when they don't feel safe to really engage. You're making excuses for a lazy leach. I guess you see what you want, Clem. I don't think I have -- I've said yes I'd be interested in taking to her. And then made a statement that in my experience is true. *talking Living on a council estate i can tell you, her attitude is not unique. I completely concur that *your* experience is likely to be this. That's kinda my point. " So it works both ways. In your experience the people you deal with tell you they want to find a job,get off benefits, and move out of their council houses. However I'm not going to call you ignorant just because you haven't met many people like my neighbour. | |||
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"Ok. So someone please tell me how JC will make my life better. Because honestly, it's not that bad. And I'm not going to vote so that people who choose not to work for a living can continue not to work for a living. Clem, in over 15years of working with people on benefits in varying capacities -- I have very rarely come across someone who chooses not to work. That's an insanely ignorant comment. Talk to my neighbour. Mrs "if i worked I'd only get 500 quid more a year". The short sighted oxygen thief. What's worse is she's actually encouraging her daughter to do the same. And turned down the opportunity for her to do the eleven plus. "She's gonna be a drop out like her mum!" She cheerfully told me.. I would be interested in talking to her, yes. Really talking to her and understanding what's going on there. I find people tend to give you the answers they think you expect of them when they don't feel safe to really engage. You're making excuses for a lazy leach. I guess you see what you want, Clem. I don't think I have -- I've said yes I'd be interested in taking to her. And then made a statement that in my experience is true. *talking Living on a council estate i can tell you, her attitude is not unique. I completely concur that *your* experience is likely to be this. That's kinda my point. So it works both ways. In your experience the people you deal with tell you they want to find a job,get off benefits, and move out of their council houses. However I'm not going to call you ignorant just because you haven't met many people like my neighbour. " That's not what they tell me btw. And from the sounds of it I have met a lot of people like your neighbour. But you know, it's a moot point when you've decided. | |||
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"Ok. So someone please tell me how JC will make my life better. Because honestly, it's not that bad. And I'm not going to vote so that people who choose not to work for a living can continue not to work for a living. Clem, in over 15years of working with people on benefits in varying capacities -- I have very rarely come across someone who chooses not to work. That's an insanely ignorant comment. Talk to my neighbour. Mrs "if i worked I'd only get 500 quid more a year". The short sighted oxygen thief. What's worse is she's actually encouraging her daughter to do the same. And turned down the opportunity for her to do the eleven plus. "She's gonna be a drop out like her mum!" She cheerfully told me.. I would be interested in talking to her, yes. Really talking to her and understanding what's going on there. I find people tend to give you the answers they think you expect of them when they don't feel safe to really engage. You're making excuses for a lazy leach. I guess you see what you want, Clem. I don't think I have -- I've said yes I'd be interested in taking to her. And then made a statement that in my experience is true. *talking Living on a council estate i can tell you, her attitude is not unique. I completely concur that *your* experience is likely to be this. That's kinda my point. So it works both ways. In your experience the people you deal with tell you they want to find a job,get off benefits, and move out of their council houses. However I'm not going to call you ignorant just because you haven't met many people like my neighbour. That's not what they tell me btw. And from the sounds of it I have met a lot of people like your neighbour. But you know, it's a moot point when you've decided. " Also there is a difference in calling a comment and a person ignorant. | |||
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" They won't goto Monaco that is a typical conservative BS. " No it's not bs. I already have made plans for my company to move to another country in the case someone like Corbyn Gets power. It will be the end of business over here and I've worked to hard to be where I am now to risk it all. That is the real irony of their socialist stance. Those they try to take from can afford to move away. And their destruction only hurts those they claim to want to help. Their whole ideal comes from a place of jealousy. Some people have something I want ... so I'll just take it. It's like an overweight man on here saying men with model looks and a six pack should be limited on the number of meets they have as he does not get as many. | |||
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" They won't goto Monaco that is a typical conservative BS. No it's not bs. I already have made plans for my company to move to another country in the case someone like Corbyn Gets power. It will be the end of business over here and I've worked to hard to be where I am now to risk it all. That is the real irony of their socialist stance. Those they try to take from can afford to move away. And their destruction only hurts those they claim to want to help. Their whole ideal comes from a place of jealousy. Some people have something I want ... so I'll just take it. It's like an overweight man on here saying men with model looks and a six pack should be limited on the number of meets they have as he does not get as many." From a place of jealousy? That makes me laugh. I call bs. | |||
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" They won't goto Monaco that is a typical conservative BS. No it's not bs. I already have made plans for my company to move to another country in the case someone like Corbyn Gets power. It will be the end of business over here and I've worked to hard to be where I am now to risk it all. That is the real irony of their socialist stance. Those they try to take from can afford to move away. And their destruction only hurts those they claim to want to help. Their whole ideal comes from a place of jealousy. Some people have something I want ... so I'll just take it. It's like an overweight man on here saying men with model looks and a six pack should be limited on the number of meets they have as he does not get as many." What? you're a very bitter and twisted person I actually feel sorry you. | |||
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"Corbyn all the way. We need change and we need a fair logic way. So the Labour party gets my vote. Fair enough I respect everyone's view i just feel I need to start a political party . I'm gonna call it the common sense party as there's fuck all about atm!!" OK vote corbyn .let's go back to the prehistoric ages .you'll soon see if labour get in . how much of their fairy tale manifesto actually happens . this country needs a new,party and a new direction and its definately not labour .they will bring this country to its knees .people need to wake up . the only qualification you need to be an mp these days is be one hell of a big liar | |||
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" There is lots of alternative talent about. I can think of Jacob Rees Mogg, Nigel Farage, Henry Bolton, David Davis, Bojo, Michael Gove, Andrea Leadsom." Talent???? Bunch of utter cunts if you ask me. | |||
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" I didn't vote last time and until something changes for the better won't next time. The people in the middle are forgotten and taken for granted by those on the extremities." Things won't change for the better if you don't vote. If you can't be bothered to vote, why do you think you deserve a decent government. I have voted in every single election or referendum of every type since I turned 18, except parish council elections (since parish council candidates don't issue any form of communication, I cannot see how one can make a choice). The established parties like people such as yourself as it gives them carte blanche to persist in their misgovernment. | |||
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" I didn't vote last time and until something changes for the better won't next time. The people in the middle are forgotten and taken for granted by those on the extremities. Things won't change for the better if you don't vote. If you can't be bothered to vote, why do you think you deserve a decent government. I have voted in every single election or referendum of every type since I turned 18, except parish council elections (since parish council candidates don't issue any form of communication, I cannot see how one can make a choice). The established parties like people such as yourself as it gives them carte blanche to persist in their misgovernment." What is the point in voting when the whole system is corrupt? | |||
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" I didn't vote last time and until something changes for the better won't next time. The people in the middle are forgotten and taken for granted by those on the extremities. Things won't change for the better if you don't vote. If you can't be bothered to vote, why do you think you deserve a decent government. I have voted in every single election or referendum of every type since I turned 18, except parish council elections (since parish council candidates don't issue any form of communication, I cannot see how one can make a choice). The established parties like people such as yourself as it gives them carte blanche to persist in their misgovernment. What is the point in voting when the whole system is corrupt?" The point in voting is because we can and we are lucky that we can. Would you rather live in North Korea for example? I agree the whole system is corrupt and it comes down to choosing the least worst option. | |||
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"Yes it has to be a Tory ..... Labour lost the election ... I mean lets be honest here about ayear ago Corbyn and his team was a laughing stock ...... He lost an election made a load of pie in the sky promises with no financial foundations totally unfeasible pledges aimed at a generation who believed his claptrap ... He can say anything he like knowing what he is saying will never be implemented If Labour and Corbyn were the answer it must have been a fucking stupid question
That was the change over from New Labour (who are Conservatives in disguise) to the old Labour. New Labour of course wanted Corbyn out, so you had infighting for a while but now it has settled down and we clearly have an old Labour with Corbyn as leader for the future so now we understand that lets move on!
You say Corbyn's pledges are unfeasible? Labour costed their manifesto the Conservatives didn't and infact they have uturned so much they've ripped their manifesto up and put it in the trash where it belongs.
Corbyn's labour is not "old labour" they are not pro worker. As a union member and skilled man i actually feel alienated by JC's labour party. I feel he is pro non-worker.
Apparently some people refer to Corbyns Labour as 'Real Labour'?. Before anyone say's it more like 'shit Labour' lol. A big change to Blair, Brown and Miliband which was desperately needed. I am sorry that JC has made you feel alienated I guess his politics isn't going to please everyone.
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"Corbyn all the way. We need change and we need a fair logic way. So the Labour party gets my vote. Fair enough I respect everyone's view i just feel I need to start a political party . I'm gonna call it the common sense party as there's fuck all about atm!!OK vote corbyn .let's go back to the prehistoric ages .you'll soon see if labour get in . how much of their fairy tale manifesto actually happens . this country needs a new,party and a new direction and its definately not labour .they will bring this country to its knees .people need to wake up . the only qualification you need to be an mp these days is be one hell of a big liar " ...Spot on. | |||
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"Corbyn would reduce Britain to a strike ridden hellhole . Thoughts ??" Strange how without any empirical evidence you know how a Corbyn led government will destroy the UK. Would you like to share how you? Me when I make predictions they are based on previous results and I cant see how you arrive at your conclusion unless you are saying that outside forces will deliberately manufacture a wold world crash if a Labour government led by JC is returned to power in the UK... | |||
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" I didn't vote last time and until something changes for the better won't next time. The people in the middle are forgotten and taken for granted by those on the extremities. Things won't change for the better if you don't vote. If you can't be bothered to vote, why do you think you deserve a decent government. I have voted in every single election or referendum of every type since I turned 18, except parish council elections (since parish council candidates don't issue any form of communication, I cannot see how one can make a choice). The established parties like people such as yourself as it gives them carte blanche to persist in their misgovernment. What is the point in voting when the whole system is corrupt? The point in voting is because we can and we are lucky that we can. Would you rather live in North Korea for example? I agree the whole system is corrupt and it comes down to choosing the least worst option. " Ah the pretence that we actually have a choice!! | |||
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" I didn't vote last time and until something changes for the better won't next time. The people in the middle are forgotten and taken for granted by those on the extremities. Things won't change for the better if you don't vote. If you can't be bothered to vote, why do you think you deserve a decent government. I have voted in every single election or referendum of every type since I turned 18, except parish council elections (since parish council candidates don't issue any form of communication, I cannot see how one can make a choice). The established parties like people such as yourself as it gives them carte blanche to persist in their misgovernment. What is the point in voting when the whole system is corrupt? The point in voting is because we can and we are lucky that we can. Would you rather live in North Korea for example? I agree the whole system is corrupt and it comes down to choosing the least worst option. Ah the pretence that we actually have a choice!! "The illusion of choice gives us comfort and of course the illusion of control. If you vote you offer complicity if you dont apathy. | |||
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" I didn't vote last time and until something changes for the better won't next time. The people in the middle are forgotten and taken for granted by those on the extremities. Things won't change for the better if you don't vote. If you can't be bothered to vote, why do you think you deserve a decent government. I have voted in every single election or referendum of every type since I turned 18, except parish council elections (since parish council candidates don't issue any form of communication, I cannot see how one can make a choice). The established parties like people such as yourself as it gives them carte blanche to persist in their misgovernment. What is the point in voting when the whole system is corrupt? The point in voting is because we can and we are lucky that we can. Would you rather live in North Korea for example? I agree the whole system is corrupt and it comes down to choosing the least worst option. Ah the pretence that we actually have a choice!!
The illusion of choice gives us comfort and of course the illusion of control.
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" I didn't vote last time and until something changes for the better won't next time. The people in the middle are forgotten and taken for granted by those on the extremities. Things won't change for the better if you don't vote. If you can't be bothered to vote, why do you think you deserve a decent government. I have voted in every single election or referendum of every type since I turned 18, except parish council elections (since parish council candidates don't issue any form of communication, I cannot see how one can make a choice). The established parties like people such as yourself as it gives them carte blanche to persist in their misgovernment. What is the point in voting when the whole system is corrupt? The point in voting is because we can and we are lucky that we can. Would you rather live in North Korea for example? I agree the whole system is corrupt and it comes down to choosing the least worst option. Ah the pretence that we actually have a choice!!
The illusion of choice gives us comfort and of course the illusion of control.
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"I wouldn't vote for any of them, it's all a game of self promotion. None of them actually have any morals, none of them can be trusted, none of them do what they say they will do and they never answer a question. To think these weasels actually make decisions that effect Joe public! No trust no vote and that is not apathy." So here we have it... choice same or change so lets refuse to change and then claim are the same... anyone notice the flaw? | |||
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"I wouldn't vote for any of them, it's all a game of self promotion. None of them actually have any morals, none of them can be trusted, none of them do what they say they will do and they never answer a question. To think these weasels actually make decisions that effect Joe public! No trust no vote and that is not apathy. So here we have it... choice same or change so lets refuse to change and then claim are the same... anyone notice the flaw?" Having witnessed several governments over my years. It doesn't matter who you vote for they are all the same. Tory, Socialist or Liberal they are in it for themselves, if you think for one minute these weasels care or think of the people. Then your as daft as a brush! | |||
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"I wouldn't vote for any of them, it's all a game of self promotion. None of them actually have any morals, none of them can be trusted, none of them do what they say they will do and they never answer a question. To think these weasels actually make decisions that effect Joe public! No trust no vote and that is not apathy. So here we have it... choice same or change so lets refuse to change and then claim are the same... anyone notice the flaw? Having witnessed several governments over my years. It doesn't matter who you vote for they are all the same. Tory, Socialist or Liberal they are in it for themselves, if you think for one minute these weasels care or think of the people. Then your as daft as a brush!" Yep about right !! | |||
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"I wouldn't vote for any of them, it's all a game of self promotion. None of them actually have any morals, none of them can be trusted, none of them do what they say they will do and they never answer a question. To think these weasels actually make decisions that effect Joe public! No trust no vote and that is not apathy. So here we have it... choice same or change so lets refuse to change and then claim are the same... anyone notice the flaw? Having witnessed several governments over my years. It doesn't matter who you vote for they are all the same. Tory, Socialist or Liberal they are in it for themselves, if you think for one minute these weasels care or think of the people. Then your as daft as a brush!" You can change the world without voting. People do this all the time . | |||
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"I wouldn't vote for any of them, it's all a game of self promotion. None of them actually have any morals, none of them can be trusted, none of them do what they say they will do and they never answer a question. To think these weasels actually make decisions that effect Joe public! No trust no vote and that is not apathy. So here we have it... choice same or change so lets refuse to change and then claim are the same... anyone notice the flaw? Having witnessed several governments over my years. It doesn't matter who you vote for they are all the same. Tory, Socialist or Liberal they are in it for themselves, if you think for one minute these weasels care or think of the people. Then your as daft as a brush!" There's nothing quite as obnoxious as the reasoning, and I use the term loosely, of those who peddle this nonsense about both sides are the same. | |||
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"I wouldn't vote for any of them, it's all a game of self promotion. None of them actually have any morals, none of them can be trusted, none of them do what they say they will do and they never answer a question. To think these weasels actually make decisions that effect Joe public! No trust no vote and that is not apathy. So here we have it... choice same or change so lets refuse to change and then claim are the same... anyone notice the flaw? Having witnessed several governments over my years. It doesn't matter who you vote for they are all the same. Tory, Socialist or Liberal they are in it for themselves, if you think for one minute these weasels care or think of the people. Then your as daft as a brush!" .. | |||
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"I wouldn't vote for any of them, it's all a game of self promotion. None of them actually have any morals, none of them can be trusted, none of them do what they say they will do and they never answer a question. To think these weasels actually make decisions that effect Joe public! No trust no vote and that is not apathy. So here we have it... choice same or change so lets refuse to change and then claim are the same... anyone notice the flaw? Having witnessed several governments over my years. It doesn't matter who you vote for they are all the same. Tory, Socialist or Liberal they are in it for themselves, if you think for one minute these weasels care or think of the people. Then your as daft as a brush! You can change the world without voting. People do this all the time . "If we had P R ? We could change things by Voting Tho | |||
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"Let's put it this way. As a politician you only have finite resources to use when it comes to persuading people to vote for you, and then maintaining those peoples faith in you. If you're the kind of person who doesn't vote, for whatever stupid reason, why on earth would anyone waste their time on trying to court you, or represent your concerns?" it's ok saying that but what if you live somewhere where your Vote of Choice doesn't Count ? | |||
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"I wouldn't vote for any of them, it's all a game of self promotion. None of them actually have any morals, none of them can be trusted, none of them do what they say they will do and they never answer a question. To think these weasels actually make decisions that effect Joe public! No trust no vote and that is not apathy. So here we have it... choice same or change so lets refuse to change and then claim are the same... anyone notice the flaw? Having witnessed several governments over my years. It doesn't matter who you vote for they are all the same. Tory, Socialist or Liberal they are in it for themselves, if you think for one minute these weasels care or think of the people. Then your as daft as a brush! You can change the world without voting. People do this all the time . If we had P R ? We could change things by Voting Tho "Has there ever been a successful PR government? I remember Italy had one before they went full nazi.. | |||
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"I wouldn't vote for any of them, it's all a game of self promotion. None of them actually have any morals, none of them can be trusted, none of them do what they say they will do and they never answer a question. To think these weasels actually make decisions that effect Joe public! No trust no vote and that is not apathy." | |||
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"I wouldn't vote for any of them, it's all a game of self promotion. None of them actually have any morals, none of them can be trusted, none of them do what they say they will do and they never answer a question. To think these weasels actually make decisions that effect Joe public! No trust no vote and that is not apathy. So here we have it... choice same or change so lets refuse to change and then claim are the same... anyone notice the flaw? Having witnessed several governments over my years. It doesn't matter who you vote for they are all the same. Tory, Socialist or Liberal they are in it for themselves, if you think for one minute these weasels care or think of the people. Then your as daft as a brush! You can change the world without voting. People do this all the time . If we had P R ? We could change things by Voting Tho
Has there ever been a successful PR government? I remember Italy had one before they went full nazi.."Almost 100 years of Irish governments say hello! | |||
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"Let's put it this way. As a politician you only have finite resources to use when it comes to persuading people to vote for you, and then maintaining those peoples faith in you. If you're the kind of person who doesn't vote, for whatever stupid reason, why on earth would anyone waste their time on trying to court you, or represent your concerns? it's ok saying that but what if you live somewhere where your Vote of Choice doesn't Count ?" Those places only exist in the heads of people who have convinced themselves thusly | |||
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" There's nothing quite as obnoxious as the reasoning, and I use the term loosely, of those who peddle this nonsense about both sides are the same. " Of course you use it loosely - your reasoning is always loose at best
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" There's nothing quite as obnoxious as the reasoning, and I use the term loosely, of those who peddle this nonsense about both sides are the same. Of course you use it loosely - your reasoning is always loose at best
"If that makes you feel better, you tell yourself that for as long as you need. | |||
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"I would vote for anyone who said, look folks we have to change, suck it up borrow tons of cash to be repaid over 50 years. BUT make 100 year investments, so the first 50 sees us all employed and living better on debt, the second 50 sees us living better in profit. Short term ideas get us nowhere except ever decreasing circles round the drain. But that option won't exist." It's a nice idea in theory but as a country we are already around £1.7 trillion in debt so alas it's just not possible. The problem is that all this money we have already borrowed hasn't been spent wisely and has to be repaid | |||
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"I'd be tempted to be heretical and vote Lib Dem. If the old liberals somehow got a seat again, them too." I use to work near the Lib Dem hq. A few years ago they couldn't pay their milk or paper bills... | |||
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"I would vote for anyone who said, look folks we have to change, suck it up borrow tons of cash to be repaid over 50 years. BUT make 100 year investments, so the first 50 sees us all employed and living better on debt, the second 50 sees us living better in profit. Short term ideas get us nowhere except ever decreasing circles round the drain. But that option won't exist. It's a nice idea in theory but as a country we are already around £1.7 trillion in debt so alas it's just not possible. The problem is that all this money we have already borrowed hasn't been spent wisely and has to be repaid " Every country in the world is in debt. We aren't forced to repay it, the bailiffs aren't coming round. We have a choice of what we do still, and the Tories have used, and continue to use, debt as an excuse to follow their ideology of cutting funding to the most vulnerable (and often least influential) members of society. | |||
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"I would vote for anyone who said, look folks we have to change, suck it up borrow tons of cash to be repaid over 50 years. BUT make 100 year investments, so the first 50 sees us all employed and living better on debt, the second 50 sees us living better in profit. Short term ideas get us nowhere except ever decreasing circles round the drain. But that option won't exist. It's a nice idea in theory but as a country we are already around £1.7 trillion in debt so alas it's just not possible. The problem is that all this money we have already borrowed hasn't been spent wisely and has to be repaid Every country in the world is in debt. We aren't forced to repay it, the bailiffs aren't coming round. We have a choice of what we do still, and the Tories have used, and continue to use, debt as an excuse to follow their ideology of cutting funding to the most vulnerable (and often least influential) members of society. " Erm we do have to repay it and the interest on our debts is about the same as the education budget at around £45 billion per annum. The mythical magic money tree is a classic socialist lie unfortunately and will do nothing more than land our children with an even bigger problem | |||
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"I would vote for anyone who said, look folks we have to change, suck it up borrow tons of cash to be repaid over 50 years. BUT make 100 year investments, so the first 50 sees us all employed and living better on debt, the second 50 sees us living better in profit. Short term ideas get us nowhere except ever decreasing circles round the drain. But that option won't exist. It's a nice idea in theory but as a country we are already around £1.7 trillion in debt so alas it's just not possible. The problem is that all this money we have already borrowed hasn't been spent wisely and has to be repaid Every country in the world is in debt. We aren't forced to repay it, the bailiffs aren't coming round. We have a choice of what we do still, and the Tories have used, and continue to use, debt as an excuse to follow their ideology of cutting funding to the most vulnerable (and often least influential) members of society. " | |||
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"I would vote for anyone who said, look folks we have to change, suck it up borrow tons of cash to be repaid over 50 years. BUT make 100 year investments, so the first 50 sees us all employed and living better on debt, the second 50 sees us living better in profit. Short term ideas get us nowhere except ever decreasing circles round the drain. But that option won't exist. It's a nice idea in theory but as a country we are already around £1.7 trillion in debt so alas it's just not possible. The problem is that all this money we have already borrowed hasn't been spent wisely and has to be repaid Every country in the world is in debt. We aren't forced to repay it, the bailiffs aren't coming round. We have a choice of what we do still, and the Tories have used, and continue to use, debt as an excuse to follow their ideology of cutting funding to the most vulnerable (and often least influential) members of society. Erm we do have to repay it and the interest on our debts is about the same as the education budget at around £45 billion per annum. The mythical magic money tree is a classic socialist lie unfortunately and will do nothing more than land our children with an even bigger problem " I see the tories are shaking that magic money tree your talking about | |||
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