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" However if the USA suspect even slightly that North Korea has nuclear capability.... All bets are off "Thankfully NK has not been testing nukes or long range missiles recently. Plausible deniability, maintained! | |||
" However if the USA suspect even slightly that North Korea has nuclear capability.... All bets are off
Thankfully NK has not been testing nukes or long range missiles recently.
Plausible deniability, maintained!
". There's a world of difference between atomic bombs and hydrogen bombs and there's a world of difference between short range missiles and intercontinental... And there's a whole different level altogether putting them together... Any physics professor could figure out an atomic bomb but it would probably weigh about 10 tonnes and getting hold of the trigger material and fission material is rocking horse shit. The yanks are actually loving the testing of big atomic weapons, North Korea are falling into the trap there setting them. If North Korea had any sense at all they wouldn't be saying shit until they had the big cahoner Then they really could tell trump to take a running jump, until that time all there doing is destabilising China's fragile grasp of the region of which the USA has them surrounded by military bases on all sides. See China has something better than nuclear weapons... They got American dollars sat in their foreign reserves, shit loads of them and that's real power! | |||
"There's a world of difference between atomic bombs and hydrogen bombs and there's a world of difference between short range missiles and intercontinental... And there's a whole different level altogether putting them together... Any physics professor could figure out an atomic bomb but it would probably weigh about 10 tonnes and getting hold of the trigger material and fission material is rocking horse shit. The yanks are actually loving the testing of big atomic weapons, North Korea are falling into the trap there setting them. If North Korea had any sense at all they wouldn't be saying shit until they had the big cahoner Then they really could tell trump to take a running jump, until that time all there doing is destabilising China's fragile grasp of the region of which the USA has them surrounded by military bases on all sides. See China has something better than nuclear weapons... They got American dollars sat in their foreign reserves, shit loads of them and that's real power!" Much of what you say is true... but that peanut looked suspiciously like a thermonuclear device to me (that is a small fission device [trigger] in a container with a thin wall separating it from a fusion device that requires the pressure wave of a fission device to initiate the reaction). I feel sure that much more qualified people have looked at the same photos and thought that looks about right, and to be honest when talking about H bombs that really is all it takes when N Korea have a missile that can reach all of the Western Seaboard and much of the Mid West of the USA. | |||
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"2 half crazed men can play war games "To be honest it is not 2 half crazed men tho is it. It is one half crazes and delusional 70 year old privileged criminal who has never been held to account for his crimes and a man who has been elevated to the status of demigod facing off against one another in a game of who has the bigger balls. Shame the globe (and all life on it) is the ball that will be holed by them. | |||
" However if the USA suspect even slightly that North Korea has nuclear capability.... All bets are off
Thankfully NK has not been testing nukes or long range missiles recently.
Plausible deniability, maintained!
.
There's a world of difference between atomic bombs and hydrogen bombs and there's a world of difference between short range missiles and intercontinental... And there's a whole different level altogether putting them together... Any physics professor could figure out an atomic bomb but it would probably weigh about 10 tonnes and getting hold of the trigger material and fission material is rocking horse shit.
The yanks are actually loving the testing of big atomic weapons, North Korea are falling into the trap there setting them.
If North Korea had any sense at all they wouldn't be saying shit until they had the big cahoner
Then they really could tell trump to take a running jump, until that time all there doing is destabilising China's fragile grasp of the region of which the USA has them surrounded by military bases on all sides.
See China has something better than nuclear weapons... They got American dollars sat in their foreign reserves, shit loads of them and that's real power!"The China has US debt (which is only what I can assume you meant) as the ultimate leverage idea really does need to go away. Preferably forever. | |||
"There's a world of difference between atomic bombs and hydrogen bombs and there's a world of difference between short range missiles and intercontinental... And there's a whole different level altogether putting them together... Any physics professor could figure out an atomic bomb but it would probably weigh about 10 tonnes and getting hold of the trigger material and fission material is rocking horse shit. The yanks are actually loving the testing of big atomic weapons, North Korea are falling into the trap there setting them. If North Korea had any sense at all they wouldn't be saying shit until they had the big cahoner Then they really could tell trump to take a running jump, until that time all there doing is destabilising China's fragile grasp of the region of which the USA has them surrounded by military bases on all sides. See China has something better than nuclear weapons... They got American dollars sat in their foreign reserves, shit loads of them and that's real power! Much of what you say is true... but that peanut looked suspiciously like a thermonuclear device to me (that is a small fission device [trigger] in a container with a thin wall separating it from a fusion device that requires the pressure wave of a fission device to initiate the reaction). I feel sure that much more qualified people have looked at the same photos and thought that looks about right, and to be honest when talking about H bombs that really is all it takes when N Korea have a missile that can reach all of the Western Seaboard and much of the Mid West of the USA." If they can hit Los Angeles, then theoretically they can hit London, as we are nearer. | |||
"If they can hit Los Angeles, then theoretically they can hit London, as we are nearer." They have as much as said their aim is to hit anywhere in the world... The problem is that they have never relinquished their claim on S Korea which they attack with monotonous regularity. Nor have they accepted that any countries other than Russia and China have sovereign claims on any territory in NE Asia. It is not so much a question of will they use nuclear weapons aggressively but when will they use nuclear weapons and who will they attack. If I were to guess I would say that Japan is their first order of business followed closely by the USA, UK, and France (in that order). | |||
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"There's a world of difference between atomic bombs and hydrogen bombs and there's a world of difference between short range missiles and intercontinental... And there's a whole different level altogether putting them together... Any physics professor could figure out an atomic bomb but it would probably weigh about 10 tonnes and getting hold of the trigger material and fission material is rocking horse shit. The yanks are actually loving the testing of big atomic weapons, North Korea are falling into the trap there setting them. If North Korea had any sense at all they wouldn't be saying shit until they had the big cahoner Then they really could tell trump to take a running jump, until that time all there doing is destabilising China's fragile grasp of the region of which the USA has them surrounded by military bases on all sides. See China has something better than nuclear weapons... They got American dollars sat in their foreign reserves, shit loads of them and that's real power! Much of what you say is true... but that peanut looked suspiciously like a thermonuclear device to me (that is a small fission device [trigger] in a container with a thin wall separating it from a fusion device that requires the pressure wave of a fission device to initiate the reaction). I feel sure that much more qualified people have looked at the same photos and thought that looks about right, and to be honest when talking about H bombs that really is all it takes when N Korea have a missile that can reach all of the Western Seaboard and much of the Mid West of the USA." . Building an h bomb is incredibly difficult I agree but building one that can go on in an IBM is another level of engineering, I'm not saying they haven't but having done one doesn't mean you can do the other and having both doesn't mean you can do it either, and that was my point about the USA suspecting when and if they do achieve that goal. | |||
" However if the USA suspect even slightly that North Korea has nuclear capability.... All bets are off
Thankfully NK has not been testing nukes or long range missiles recently.
Plausible deniability, maintained!
.
There's a world of difference between atomic bombs and hydrogen bombs and there's a world of difference between short range missiles and intercontinental... And there's a whole different level altogether putting them together... Any physics professor could figure out an atomic bomb but it would probably weigh about 10 tonnes and getting hold of the trigger material and fission material is rocking horse shit.
The yanks are actually loving the testing of big atomic weapons, North Korea are falling into the trap there setting them.
If North Korea had any sense at all they wouldn't be saying shit until they had the big cahoner
Then they really could tell trump to take a running jump, until that time all there doing is destabilising China's fragile grasp of the region of which the USA has them surrounded by military bases on all sides.
See China has something better than nuclear weapons... They got American dollars sat in their foreign reserves, shit loads of them and that's real power!
The China has US debt (which is only what I can assume you meant) as the ultimate leverage idea really does need to go away. Preferably forever.
". China is the biggest holder of US treasury bonds, they hold trillions, that gives you as a country a great deal of leverage, China and Russia have already agreed a deal to sell oil in gold backed yuan and China is extending that deal to African oil exporters , middle Eastern... That means nobody buying dollars to buy oil, combine that with the ability to flood the market with treasury bonds and the fact the US has 20 trillion dollars of debt and you can implode their currency with a more devastating effect than a nuclear bomb.... That's why the USA has China surrounded by military bases. It's a game of chicken  | |||
"I think Trump just enjoys acting tough and talking like John Wayne I don;t think he has any intention of starting ww3. As for Kim Jng Un I believe that he needs the nuclear threat to keep his horrid regime going and to stay in power and he has brainwashed his people into believing that without nuclear weapons NK will be attacked by the US and the west he is also going to use the nuclear threat to get some kind of deal with the west to shut him up basically what his dad was doing for many years before him. Or I could be completely wrong and the US might blow NK to smithereens anytime soon which would be very bad news for 25 million NK and god knows how many others particularly in SK." if you are correct can you explain to me why the USA killed more in Syria in the first 6 months of Trumps presidency than in the whole 8 years of Obama? And remember that was done on Trumps direct orders. | |||
"There's a world of difference between atomic bombs and hydrogen bombs and there's a world of difference between short range missiles and intercontinental... And there's a whole different level altogether putting them together... Any physics professor could figure out an atomic bomb but it would probably weigh about 10 tonnes and getting hold of the trigger material and fission material is rocking horse shit. The yanks are actually loving the testing of big atomic weapons, North Korea are falling into the trap there setting them. If North Korea had any sense at all they wouldn't be saying shit until they had the big cahoner Then they really could tell trump to take a running jump, until that time all there doing is destabilising China's fragile grasp of the region of which the USA has them surrounded by military bases on all sides. See China has something better than nuclear weapons... They got American dollars sat in their foreign reserves, shit loads of them and that's real power! Much of what you say is true... but that peanut looked suspiciously like a thermonuclear device to me (that is a small fission device [trigger] in a container with a thin wall separating it from a fusion device that requires the pressure wave of a fission device to initiate the reaction). I feel sure that much more qualified people have looked at the same photos and thought that looks about right, and to be honest when talking about H bombs that really is all it takes when N Korea have a missile that can reach all of the Western Seaboard and much of the Mid West of the USA.. Building an h bomb is incredibly difficult I agree but building one that can go on in an IBM is another level of engineering, I'm not saying they haven't but having done one doesn't mean you can do the other and having both doesn't mean you can do it either, and that was my point about the USA suspecting when and if they do achieve that goal. " From what ive read none of underground tests were H bombs.The yields were far to small .Unless they've created the most effiecent H bomb ever.Which is technically impossible for them. | |||
"I think Trump just enjoys acting tough and talking like John Wayne I don;t think he has any intention of starting ww3. As for Kim Jng Un I believe that he needs the nuclear threat to keep his horrid regime going and to stay in power and he has brainwashed his people into believing that without nuclear weapons NK will be attacked by the US and the west he is also going to use the nuclear threat to get some kind of deal with the west to shut him up basically what his dad was doing for many years before him. Or I could be completely wrong and the US might blow NK to smithereens anytime soon which would be very bad news for 25 million NK and god knows how many others particularly in SK. if you are correct can you explain to me why the USA killed more in Syria in the first 6 months of Trumps presidency than in the whole 8 years of Obama? And remember that was done on Trumps direct orders. " Has anyone taken any of Trumps direct orders seriously so far? I don't see any tax changes or walls being built as of yet? He is being stonewalled the same as Obama probably because the president is nothing more than a puppet a public speaker full of hot air and bluster and someone for the sheeple to focus on rather than those that actually run these countries. I never said I was correct about anything I can only speculate the same as you or anyone else on this thread. I watch a lot of news and political programmes but I only believe a very small amount of it and take it with a pinch of salt. | |||
"If they can hit Los Angeles, then theoretically they can hit London, as we are nearer. They have as much as said their aim is to hit anywhere in the world... The problem is that they have never relinquished their claim on S Korea which they attack with monotonous regularity. Nor have they accepted that any countries other than Russia and China have sovereign claims on any territory in NE Asia. It is not so much a question of will they use nuclear weapons aggressively but when will they use nuclear weapons and who will they attack. If I were to guess I would say that Japan is their first order of business followed closely by the USA, UK, and France (in that order)." Is this before or after Brexit? | |||
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" However if the USA suspect even slightly that North Korea has nuclear capability.... All bets are off
Thankfully NK has not been testing nukes or long range missiles recently.
Plausible deniability, maintained!
.
There's a world of difference between atomic bombs and hydrogen bombs and there's a world of difference between short range missiles and intercontinental... And there's a whole different level altogether putting them together... Any physics professor could figure out an atomic bomb but it would probably weigh about 10 tonnes and getting hold of the trigger material and fission material is rocking horse shit.
The yanks are actually loving the testing of big atomic weapons, North Korea are falling into the trap there setting them.
If North Korea had any sense at all they wouldn't be saying shit until they had the big cahoner
Then they really could tell trump to take a running jump, until that time all there doing is destabilising China's fragile grasp of the region of which the USA has them surrounded by military bases on all sides.
See China has something better than nuclear weapons... They got American dollars sat in their foreign reserves, shit loads of them and that's real power!
The China has US debt (which is only what I can assume you meant) as the ultimate leverage idea really does need to go away. Preferably forever.
.
China is the biggest holder of US treasury bonds, they hold trillions, that gives you as a country a great deal of leverage, "No. Just no. Attempting to leverage that debt would hurt China more than the states. In fact even if China liquidated everything it holds right away, there would be a short term problem, but because the amount held by nations other than the US is small in comparison to what is held locally, it is something that would be absorbed. Anyone telling you this is "real power" is wrong. | |||
" However if the USA suspect even slightly that North Korea has nuclear capability.... All bets are off
Thankfully NK has not been testing nukes or long range missiles recently.
Plausible deniability, maintained!
.
There's a world of difference between atomic bombs and hydrogen bombs and there's a world of difference between short range missiles and intercontinental... And there's a whole different level altogether putting them together... Any physics professor could figure out an atomic bomb but it would probably weigh about 10 tonnes and getting hold of the trigger material and fission material is rocking horse shit.
The yanks are actually loving the testing of big atomic weapons, North Korea are falling into the trap there setting them.
If North Korea had any sense at all they wouldn't be saying shit until they had the big cahoner
Then they really could tell trump to take a running jump, until that time all there doing is destabilising China's fragile grasp of the region of which the USA has them surrounded by military bases on all sides.
See China has something better than nuclear weapons... They got American dollars sat in their foreign reserves, shit loads of them and that's real power!
The China has US debt (which is only what I can assume you meant) as the ultimate leverage idea really does need to go away. Preferably forever.
.
China is the biggest holder of US treasury bonds, they hold trillions, that gives you as a country a great deal of leverage,
No. Just no.
Attempting to leverage that debt would hurt China more than the states. In fact even if China liquidated everything it holds right away, there would be a short term problem, but because the amount held by nations other than the US is small in comparison to what is held locally, it is something that would be absorbed.
Anyone telling you this is "real power" is wrong.". Firstly. . They'll just hedge the losses on gold or bitcoins both of which would go through the roof with a collapsing dollar. Secondly The dollar is only held by petroleum, when the petro/dollar goes, so does the dollar. Thirdly. China only need America for one thing, an external market, once they have their own domestic market running, they won't give a shit about the dollar, at the moment a strong dollar suits them, it makes their products cheap to the yanks and keeps their reserve fund strong. | |||
" However if the USA suspect even slightly that North Korea has nuclear capability.... All bets are off
Thankfully NK has not been testing nukes or long range missiles recently.
Plausible deniability, maintained!
.
There's a world of difference between atomic bombs and hydrogen bombs and there's a world of difference between short range missiles and intercontinental... And there's a whole different level altogether putting them together... Any physics professor could figure out an atomic bomb but it would probably weigh about 10 tonnes and getting hold of the trigger material and fission material is rocking horse shit.
The yanks are actually loving the testing of big atomic weapons, North Korea are falling into the trap there setting them.
If North Korea had any sense at all they wouldn't be saying shit until they had the big cahoner
Then they really could tell trump to take a running jump, until that time all there doing is destabilising China's fragile grasp of the region of which the USA has them surrounded by military bases on all sides.
See China has something better than nuclear weapons... They got American dollars sat in their foreign reserves, shit loads of them and that's real power!
The China has US debt (which is only what I can assume you meant) as the ultimate leverage idea really does need to go away. Preferably forever.
.
China is the biggest holder of US treasury bonds, they hold trillions, that gives you as a country a great deal of leverage,
No. Just no.
Attempting to leverage that debt would hurt China more than the states. In fact even if China liquidated everything it holds right away, there would be a short term problem, but because the amount held by nations other than the US is small in comparison to what is held locally, it is something that would be absorbed.
Anyone telling you this is "real power" is wrong.. Firstly.
.
They'll just hedge the losses on gold or bitcoins both of which would go through the roof with a collapsing dollar.
Secondly
The dollar is only held by petroleum, when the petro/dollar goes, so does the dollar.
Thirdly.
China only need America for one thing, an external market, once they have their own domestic market running, they won't give a shit about the dollar, at the moment a strong dollar suits them, it makes their products cheap to the yanks and keeps their reserve fund strong.
"Bitcoin? Might as well be magic beans. As for the rest, that's laughable nonsense. Are you sincerely trying to peddle a scenario where China is going to tank the currency it has pegged the yuan to, something they've done explicitly in order to make its exports attractive to the US market, in order to hurt that very same market, and somehow that'll be fine because the massive export economy they've built will seamlessly transition over into... Trading with itself. Good grief. | |||
" However if the USA suspect even slightly that North Korea has nuclear capability.... All bets are off
Thankfully NK has not been testing nukes or long range missiles recently.
Plausible deniability, maintained!
.
There's a world of difference between atomic bombs and hydrogen bombs and there's a world of difference between short range missiles and intercontinental... And there's a whole different level altogether putting them together... Any physics professor could figure out an atomic bomb but it would probably weigh about 10 tonnes and getting hold of the trigger material and fission material is rocking horse shit.
The yanks are actually loving the testing of big atomic weapons, North Korea are falling into the trap there setting them.
If North Korea had any sense at all they wouldn't be saying shit until they had the big cahoner
Then they really could tell trump to take a running jump, until that time all there doing is destabilising China's fragile grasp of the region of which the USA has them surrounded by military bases on all sides.
See China has something better than nuclear weapons... They got American dollars sat in their foreign reserves, shit loads of them and that's real power!
The China has US debt (which is only what I can assume you meant) as the ultimate leverage idea really does need to go away. Preferably forever.
.
China is the biggest holder of US treasury bonds, they hold trillions, that gives you as a country a great deal of leverage,
No. Just no.
Attempting to leverage that debt would hurt China more than the states. In fact even if China liquidated everything it holds right away, there would be a short term problem, but because the amount held by nations other than the US is small in comparison to what is held locally, it is something that would be absorbed.
Anyone telling you this is "real power" is wrong.. Firstly.
.
They'll just hedge the losses on gold or bitcoins both of which would go through the roof with a collapsing dollar.
Secondly
The dollar is only held by petroleum, when the petro/dollar goes, so does the dollar.
Thirdly.
China only need America for one thing, an external market, once they have their own domestic market running, they won't give a shit about the dollar, at the moment a strong dollar suits them, it makes their products cheap to the yanks and keeps their reserve fund strong.
Bitcoin? Might as well be magic beans.
As for the rest, that's laughable nonsense. Are you sincerely trying to peddle a scenario where China is going to tank the currency it has pegged the yuan to, something they've done explicitly in order to make its exports attractive to the US market, in order to hurt that very same market, and somehow that'll be fine because the massive export economy they've built will seamlessly transition over into... Trading with itself.
Good grief. ". The yuan isn't pegged to the dollar, if it were the USA wouldn't constantly complain about the Chinese devaluing for the purpose of exporting. What I'm telling you is verifiable facts, feel free to Google them! | |||
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" However if the USA suspect even slightly that North Korea has nuclear capability.... All bets are off
Thankfully NK has not been testing nukes or long range missiles recently.
Plausible deniability, maintained!
.
There's a world of difference between atomic bombs and hydrogen bombs and there's a world of difference between short range missiles and intercontinental... And there's a whole different level altogether putting them together... Any physics professor could figure out an atomic bomb but it would probably weigh about 10 tonnes and getting hold of the trigger material and fission material is rocking horse shit.
The yanks are actually loving the testing of big atomic weapons, North Korea are falling into the trap there setting them.
If North Korea had any sense at all they wouldn't be saying shit until they had the big cahoner
Then they really could tell trump to take a running jump, until that time all there doing is destabilising China's fragile grasp of the region of which the USA has them surrounded by military bases on all sides.
See China has something better than nuclear weapons... They got American dollars sat in their foreign reserves, shit loads of them and that's real power!
The China has US debt (which is only what I can assume you meant) as the ultimate leverage idea really does need to go away. Preferably forever.
.
China is the biggest holder of US treasury bonds, they hold trillions, that gives you as a country a great deal of leverage,
No. Just no.
Attempting to leverage that debt would hurt China more than the states. In fact even if China liquidated everything it holds right away, there would be a short term problem, but because the amount held by nations other than the US is small in comparison to what is held locally, it is something that would be absorbed.
Anyone telling you this is "real power" is wrong.. Firstly.
.
They'll just hedge the losses on gold or bitcoins both of which would go through the roof with a collapsing dollar.
Secondly
The dollar is only held by petroleum, when the petro/dollar goes, so does the dollar.
Thirdly.
China only need America for one thing, an external market, once they have their own domestic market running, they won't give a shit about the dollar, at the moment a strong dollar suits them, it makes their products cheap to the yanks and keeps their reserve fund strong.
Bitcoin? Might as well be magic beans.
As for the rest, that's laughable nonsense. Are you sincerely trying to peddle a scenario where China is going to tank the currency it has pegged the yuan to, something they've done explicitly in order to make its exports attractive to the US market, in order to hurt that very same market, and somehow that'll be fine because the massive export economy they've built will seamlessly transition over into... Trading with itself.
Good grief. .
The yuan isn't pegged to the dollar, if it were the USA wouldn't constantly complain about the Chinese devaluing for the purpose of exporting.
What I'm telling you is verifiable facts, feel free to Google them!"Everything you've said is wrong. | |||
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" However if the USA suspect even slightly that North Korea has nuclear capability.... All bets are off
Thankfully NK has not been testing nukes or long range missiles recently.
Plausible deniability, maintained!
.
There's a world of difference between atomic bombs and hydrogen bombs and there's a world of difference between short range missiles and intercontinental... And there's a whole different level altogether putting them together... Any physics professor could figure out an atomic bomb but it would probably weigh about 10 tonnes and getting hold of the trigger material and fission material is rocking horse shit.
The yanks are actually loving the testing of big atomic weapons, North Korea are falling into the trap there setting them.
If North Korea had any sense at all they wouldn't be saying shit until they had the big cahoner
Then they really could tell trump to take a running jump, until that time all there doing is destabilising China's fragile grasp of the region of which the USA has them surrounded by military bases on all sides.
See China has something better than nuclear weapons... They got American dollars sat in their foreign reserves, shit loads of them and that's real power!
The China has US debt (which is only what I can assume you meant) as the ultimate leverage idea really does need to go away. Preferably forever.
.
China is the biggest holder of US treasury bonds, they hold trillions, that gives you as a country a great deal of leverage,
No. Just no.
Attempting to leverage that debt would hurt China more than the states. In fact even if China liquidated everything it holds right away, there would be a short term problem, but because the amount held by nations other than the US is small in comparison to what is held locally, it is something that would be absorbed.
Anyone telling you this is "real power" is wrong.. Firstly.
.
They'll just hedge the losses on gold or bitcoins both of which would go through the roof with a collapsing dollar.
Secondly
The dollar is only held by petroleum, when the petro/dollar goes, so does the dollar.
Thirdly.
China only need America for one thing, an external market, once they have their own domestic market running, they won't give a shit about the dollar, at the moment a strong dollar suits them, it makes their products cheap to the yanks and keeps their reserve fund strong.
Bitcoin? Might as well be magic beans.
As for the rest, that's laughable nonsense. Are you sincerely trying to peddle a scenario where China is going to tank the currency it has pegged the yuan to, something they've done explicitly in order to make its exports attractive to the US market, in order to hurt that very same market, and somehow that'll be fine because the massive export economy they've built will seamlessly transition over into... Trading with itself.
Good grief. .
The yuan isn't pegged to the dollar, if it were the USA wouldn't constantly complain about the Chinese devaluing for the purpose of exporting.
What I'm telling you is verifiable facts, feel free to Google them!
Everything you've said is wrong.". This from the man with the statement "bitcoins you might as well buy magic beans"!  .
If your actually paid any attention you might have seen bitcoins outpace everything else?.
Yes well I'm sitting on my arse doing nothing but enjoying myself all day from those magic beans... Bought at £150  | |||
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Keep working your neo liberal ass off sucker | |||
" However if the USA suspect even slightly that North Korea has nuclear capability.... All bets are off
Thankfully NK has not been testing nukes or long range missiles recently.
Plausible deniability, maintained!
.
There's a world of difference between atomic bombs and hydrogen bombs and there's a world of difference between short range missiles and intercontinental... And there's a whole different level altogether putting them together... Any physics professor could figure out an atomic bomb but it would probably weigh about 10 tonnes and getting hold of the trigger material and fission material is rocking horse shit.
The yanks are actually loving the testing of big atomic weapons, North Korea are falling into the trap there setting them.
If North Korea had any sense at all they wouldn't be saying shit until they had the big cahoner
Then they really could tell trump to take a running jump, until that time all there doing is destabilising China's fragile grasp of the region of which the USA has them surrounded by military bases on all sides.
See China has something better than nuclear weapons... They got American dollars sat in their foreign reserves, shit loads of them and that's real power!
The China has US debt (which is only what I can assume you meant) as the ultimate leverage idea really does need to go away. Preferably forever.
.
China is the biggest holder of US treasury bonds, they hold trillions, that gives you as a country a great deal of leverage,
No. Just no.
Attempting to leverage that debt would hurt China more than the states. In fact even if China liquidated everything it holds right away, there would be a short term problem, but because the amount held by nations other than the US is small in comparison to what is held locally, it is something that would be absorbed.
Anyone telling you this is "real power" is wrong.. Firstly.
.
They'll just hedge the losses on gold or bitcoins both of which would go through the roof with a collapsing dollar.
Secondly
The dollar is only held by petroleum, when the petro/dollar goes, so does the dollar.
Thirdly.
China only need America for one thing, an external market, once they have their own domestic market running, they won't give a shit about the dollar, at the moment a strong dollar suits them, it makes their products cheap to the yanks and keeps their reserve fund strong.
Bitcoin? Might as well be magic beans.
As for the rest, that's laughable nonsense. Are you sincerely trying to peddle a scenario where China is going to tank the currency it has pegged the yuan to, something they've done explicitly in order to make its exports attractive to the US market, in order to hurt that very same market, and somehow that'll be fine because the massive export economy they've built will seamlessly transition over into... Trading with itself.
Good grief. .
The yuan isn't pegged to the dollar, if it were the USA wouldn't constantly complain about the Chinese devaluing for the purpose of exporting.
What I'm telling you is verifiable facts, feel free to Google them!
Everything you've said is wrong..
This from the man with the statement "bitcoins you might as well buy magic beans"! .
If your actually paid any attention you might have seen bitcoins outpace everything else?.
Yes well I'm sitting on my arse doing nothing but enjoying myself all day from those magic beans... Bought at £150 "Bitcoins are a joke, if I can't use it to buy things, it's worthless as a currency. If I can't liquidate it easily it's worthless as an asset. Seeing as both these things are true of bitcoin, I'll congratulate you on getting lucky in getting in on the ground floor of this scam, and wish you good luck seeing as you decided to stay put. | |||
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"Again pay attention, lots of places take bitcoins as payment, you can liquidate it as easy as any other money. I didn't get "lucky" I listened to technology experts like bill gates and entrepreneurs like Richard Branson" Aye, I'll just head down the shops and grab some bits and pieces, and pay with bitcoin, shall I? As for liquidating it, what skeevy internet back alley shall I use for that? I'm sure none of them will just implode, like Mt. Gox. | |||
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"Again pay attention, lots of places take bitcoins as payment, you can liquidate it as easy as any other money. I didn't get "lucky" I listened to technology experts like bill gates and entrepreneurs like Richard Branson Aye, I'll just head down the shops and grab some bits and pieces, and pay with bitcoin, shall I? As for liquidating it, what skeevy internet back alley shall I use for that? I'm sure none of them will just implode, like Mt. Gox." . Do you know when credit cards were implemented?. Diners card?. How long did it take to go from a restaurant in America to worldwide acceptance?. Do you have any idea how exponential growth works on its value. Do you know what the value of the Forex market is. The blockchain and bitcoin is likely the greatest invention of the 21st century, it's revolutionary, it's going to pull more people out of poverty than anything before it and it's completely uncontrollable and free of government meddling. I've got 32 of them bought for 5k now worth 80k within what 5 years....and I fully expect to be a millionaire within 2 years. | |||
"Again pay attention, lots of places take bitcoins as payment, you can liquidate it as easy as any other money. I didn't get "lucky" I listened to technology experts like bill gates and entrepreneurs like Richard Branson Aye, I'll just head down the shops and grab some bits and pieces, and pay with bitcoin, shall I? As for liquidating it, what skeevy internet back alley shall I use for that? I'm sure none of them will just implode, like Mt. Gox." personally i used the check in desk of the hotel in the village and the plethora of bitcoin atm's in the city ... maybe they don't have this kind of set up in the schafferville triangle or whichever bit of bumblefuck canada you live in ... technology hey ... it's aboot time you caught up | |||
"Again pay attention, lots of places take bitcoins as payment, you can liquidate it as easy as any other money. I didn't get "lucky" I listened to technology experts like bill gates and entrepreneurs like Richard Branson Aye, I'll just head down the shops and grab some bits and pieces, and pay with bitcoin, shall I? As for liquidating it, what skeevy internet back alley shall I use for that? I'm sure none of them will just implode, like Mt. Gox.. Do you know when credit cards were implemented?. Diners card?. How long did it take to go from a restaurant in America to worldwide acceptance?. Do you have any idea how exponential growth works on its value. Do you know what the value of the Forex market is. The blockchain and bitcoin is likely the greatest invention of the 21st century, it's revolutionary, it's going to pull more people out of poverty than anything before it and it's completely uncontrollable and free of government meddling. I've got 32 of them bought for 5k now worth 80k within what 5 years....and I fully expect to be a millionaire within 2 years. " I am reminded of that classic Simpson's scene where Homer predicts his investment in pumpkins will peak right around January. | |||
"Again pay attention, lots of places take bitcoins as payment, you can liquidate it as easy as any other money. I didn't get "lucky" I listened to technology experts like bill gates and entrepreneurs like Richard Branson Aye, I'll just head down the shops and grab some bits and pieces, and pay with bitcoin, shall I? As for liquidating it, what skeevy internet back alley shall I use for that? I'm sure none of them will just implode, like Mt. Gox. personally i used the check in desk of the hotel in the village and the plethora of bitcoin atm's in the city ... maybe they don't have this kind of set up in the schafferville triangle or whichever bit of bumblefuck canada you live in ... technology hey ... it's aboot time you caught up" Actually, there is, or at least was, something calling itself the "bitcoin embassy" downtown. It's right next to the bong shop that also accepts bitcoin. And that's it. | |||
"Again pay attention, lots of places take bitcoins as payment, you can liquidate it as easy as any other money. I didn't get "lucky" I listened to technology experts like bill gates and entrepreneurs like Richard Branson Aye, I'll just head down the shops and grab some bits and pieces, and pay with bitcoin, shall I? As for liquidating it, what skeevy internet back alley shall I use for that? I'm sure none of them will just implode, like Mt. Gox. personally i used the check in desk of the hotel in the village and the plethora of bitcoin atm's in the city ... maybe they don't have this kind of set up in the schafferville triangle or whichever bit of bumblefuck canada you live in ... technology hey ... it's aboot time you caught up Actually, there is, or at least was, something calling itself the "bitcoin embassy" downtown. It's right next to the bong shop that also accepts bitcoin. And that's it." Haha DOH | |||
"Again pay attention, lots of places take bitcoins as payment, you can liquidate it as easy as any other money. I didn't get "lucky" I listened to technology experts like bill gates and entrepreneurs like Richard Branson Aye, I'll just head down the shops and grab some bits and pieces, and pay with bitcoin, shall I? As for liquidating it, what skeevy internet back alley shall I use for that? I'm sure none of them will just implode, like Mt. Gox.. Do you know when credit cards were implemented?. Diners card?. How long did it take to go from a restaurant in America to worldwide acceptance?. Do you have any idea how exponential growth works on its value. Do you know what the value of the Forex market is. The blockchain and bitcoin is likely the greatest invention of the 21st century, it's revolutionary, it's going to pull more people out of poverty than anything before it and it's completely uncontrollable and free of government meddling. I've got 32 of them bought for 5k now worth 80k within what 5 years....and I fully expect to be a millionaire within 2 years. I am reminded of that classic Simpson's scene where Homer predicts his investment in pumpkins will peak right around January." . .
I love the Simpsons.
I'll let you into a secret, I couldn't care less about the millions, I read about them from the outset, the possibilities are incredible and ground breaking.
The blockchain which is really the key to it all is simplistic genius.
The third world has been kept third world for decades by currency, all of it everywhere is owned, run, regulated, issued, priced and more importantly quantified by governments for the purpose of governing!.
And it's been that way for 2000 years.
Give me control of a countries money and I care not about its standing armies?....
Like I said, this thing will free more people from poverty than any foreign aid or catchy government mantra. It's fucking revolutionist and the revolution is here.... Wether you like it or laugh about it makes no difference, it's under its own steam now and nothing and nobody will stop it.
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"Again pay attention, lots of places take bitcoins as payment, you can liquidate it as easy as any other money. I didn't get "lucky" I listened to technology experts like bill gates and entrepreneurs like Richard Branson Aye, I'll just head down the shops and grab some bits and pieces, and pay with bitcoin, shall I? As for liquidating it, what skeevy internet back alley shall I use for that? I'm sure none of them will just implode, like Mt. Gox.. Do you know when credit cards were implemented?. Diners card?. How long did it take to go from a restaurant in America to worldwide acceptance?. Do you have any idea how exponential growth works on its value. Do you know what the value of the Forex market is. The blockchain and bitcoin is likely the greatest invention of the 21st century, it's revolutionary, it's going to pull more people out of poverty than anything before it and it's completely uncontrollable and free of government meddling. I've got 32 of them bought for 5k now worth 80k within what 5 years....and I fully expect to be a millionaire within 2 years. I am reminded of that classic Simpson's scene where Homer predicts his investment in pumpkins will peak right around January.. .
I love the Simpsons.
I'll let you into a secret, I couldn't care less about the millions, I read about them from the outset, the possibilities are incredible and ground breaking.
The blockchain which is really the key to it all is simplistic genius.
The third world has been kept third world for decades by currency, all of it everywhere is owned, run, regulated, issued, priced and more importantly quantified by governments for the purpose of governing!.
And it's been that way for 2000 years.
Give me control of a countries money and I care not about its standing armies?....
Like I said, this thing will free more people from poverty than any foreign aid or catchy government mantra. It's fucking revolutionist and the revolution is here.... Wether you like it or laugh about it makes no difference, it's under its own steam now and nothing and nobody will stop it.
Welcome to the machine " no, no it wont. | |||
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"All good anarchists no the Trojan horse when they see it "How many places in Anglesey take Bitcoin? | |||
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"I think it is coming a lot faster than most think and that any more Russian revelations will more than likely push him over the edge. Further I do not think he will ask Congresses permission before launching a strike." And you worry about brexit lol,cheer up | |||
" I'll let you into a secret, I couldn't care less about the millions" Which is why you told us about how rich you reckoned these magic beans made you on at least two occasions. | |||
"The blockchain is a solution in search of a problem. Always has been." . I've just told you the problem? | |||
" A shadowy figure created bitcoin out of nothing.Money is reliant on your belief in its of value and so is bitcoin and he made himself a billionaire overnight. Whos to say once the whole planet uses it he doesnt pull the plug.One unknown individual coded bitcoin.Whos to say there's not a back door in." . You don't know how the blockchain works, honestly, you can't do it | |||
"All good anarchists no the Trojan horse when they see it
How many places in Anglesey take Bitcoin? ". Again I'll take you back to my comment about diners card and how long it took to go from one restaurant to world wide acceptance | |||
"And you worry about brexit lol,cheer up" I know my Armageddon drill... Pick a corner... Bend over... Kiss it goodbye... Stand up and adopt silly pose for the cockroaches to wonder about in 50 million years and enjoy the flash! | |||
" I'll let you into a secret, I couldn't care less about the millions Which is why you told us about how rich you reckoned these magic beans made you on at least two occasions." . No that was just too annoy you...I know how capitalists brains work | |||
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"Mentioning bitcoin is like mentioning global trade deals, the neo liberals can't wait to queue up and tell you why it will NEVER work. Mainly because they like the status quo, it was built round them for them, they hate the "fascist government" until something threatens their little box They're in.... Then it's I'll defend Tony Blair to the death, monetary policy... Greatest thing the Romans ever did for us, marvelous people the Romans! Couldn't even walk the streets till Barack Obama was elected... It's like their stuck in their own bubble of bullshit failing to believe anybody dares to think outside the bubble of back slapping bollocks. I think you'll find i'm sticking to my principals... Yeah so did the fucking the Nazi's " It's a rather convenient setup you've engineered for yourself, where in you've convinced yourself that anyone disagreeing with you can automatically be ignored, because they're a "neo-liberal" or maybe a dreaded "capitalist" and it also that people disagree with you actually means you're right, because if you weren't right, they wouldn't be trying to keep you down. | |||
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"I read somewhere that he said nothing will happen until someone presents a plan that doesn't involve 10 million being killed in Seoul." Just take out Kim ! I doubt they have a line of nutters ! They will be grateful ! | |||
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"We need to look at Iran in a new light ? They are as afraid of Isis as us ! Kim is different , he's just off his head ! But I believe we could work with Iran "Yeah those Iranians might be just a little crazy but they arent suicidal like little kim. | |||
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"Yeah those Iranians might be just a little crazy but they arent suicidal like little kim. "The only reason the USA (and us to the extent we always back the US on international policy) is anti Iran and pro Saudi is because Saudi is happy to give corporate USA unfettered access to its market and wealth whereas Iran will not. The fact is the USA does not give a fuck about politics, human rights or if a country kills US citizens or not, all it cares about is corporate profits. As a result we continually have to watch the abhorrent spectacle of our political leaders toadying to the Bin Saudi's and selling them arms that they then channel to the Sa'lafist terrorist they inspire, fund and that many of their citizens are members of. While at the same time listening to the shit anti Iran propaganda pouring out of the States because Iran will not let US corporations r@pe their country for profit! | |||
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"But how can anyone say anything good about Iran? " Name one thing bad about Iran! Or one thing good about our great ally Saudi. | |||
"But how can anyone say anything good about Iran? Name one thing bad about Iran! Or one thing good about our great ally Saudi." This a fair point ! No Country is perfect ! Good for Iran ? Anti Isis ! Saudi ? Hmmmm ? | |||
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"Do some research. You are making yourself look foolish. Just for starters, they executed several hundred people last year." yes I'm sure they did and that's terrible but I think they could change ? How many have China executed ? I'm not a fan of Iran just saying they may not be a lost cause and thier is a lot of hypocrisy in some of the regimes we support ! | |||
"Do some research. You are making yourself look foolish. Just for starters, they executed several hundred people last year." As did the USA and Saudi... And if you want to get uppity about capital punishment in Saudi they publicly kill you in accordance with Sharia Law so beheading, stoning, burning and being thrown from minarets for the entertainment of the crowd is the order of the day! further in Saudi you will be executed for publicly criticising the state! And if you want even more outrageous the Chinese state not only kills more of its citizens than any other country in the world, but after taking a prisoners life they then harvest all viable organs from the body and sell them for transplants on the open market! So please save your fake outrage and stop being a puppet for US propaganda! | |||
"Do some research. You are making yourself look foolish. Just for starters, they executed several hundred people last year. As did the USA and Saudi... And if you want to get uppity about capital punishment in Saudi they publicly kill you in accordance with Sharia Law so beheading, stoning, burning and being thrown from minarets for the entertainment of the crowd is the order of the day! further in Saudi you will be executed for publicly criticising the state! And if you want even more outrageous the Chinese state not only kills more of its citizens than any other country in the world, but after taking a prisoners life they then harvest all viable organs from the body and sell them for transplants on the open market! So please save your fake outrage and stop being a puppet for US propaganda! " Agreed ! But another good advert for the lefty Righty Party
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"A friend pointed out to me our UK opinion of New Korea is led by media, none of which is favourable. Is an alternative view that this small country is standing up to the USA, which wants every country to be its clone and can't deal with any that aren't, and the more the USA bullies it, the more its stance is vindicated? Could NK be right?" Thing is that many people that have been brought up and lived through the NK regime have come out of that country and told us what it is like there. The NK government brainwash their people and tell them lies to control them, They threaten them with torture and misery if they ever disobey the rules. These people that escaped NK aren't actors or fakes there are too many of them. I think you have a point about the USA though. I think America couldn't give a fuck about how another country is run and how the people are treated because it is a business that only cares about money and is willing to bully other countries for financial gain. | |||
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"I read somewhere that he said nothing will happen until someone presents a plan that doesn't involve 10 million being killed in Seoul. Just take out Kim ! I doubt they have a line of nutters ! They will be grateful ! " Power vacuums are, of course, known for the stability they bring. | |||
"I read somewhere that he said nothing will happen until someone presents a plan that doesn't involve 10 million being killed in Seoul. Just take out Kim ! I doubt they have a line of nutters ! They will be grateful ! Power vacuums are, of course, known for the stability they bring." I don't think that would be the case in Korea , I think it would be more like Germany with a very quick re unification . Tho China could intervene ! | |||
"I'm not suggesting it isn't an oppressive regime but I am saying our view of 'bad' countries is defined by media and who's to say that isn't brainwashing, too? And we in the west don't hear how those claiming asylum in other countries view ours. What I'm suggesting is it's no wonder North Korea will never back down and I'd say Trump is a fool not to recognise this." Can't argue with you about Trump being a fool
We only have media and news reports (other than those who have lived there and can tell us of the regime)and it's up to us to believe the media or not. Some media in my opinion is true but most of it is BS or at the least they twist a story and don't tell us all the facts.
As for NK surely it can't be ok for any country to have dozens of prison camps that practice such hard labor and torture that it's a miracle you will survive more than a couple of years of it. They also keep families of a person in prison just for being related to them, this is crazy?
I would love to see an end to the NK regime but without anyone being murdered in the process. I don't think we will see any nukes being used by either side but we might see another Korean war or cease fire of the current war and many people being killed in the process. | |||
"I read somewhere that he said nothing will happen until someone presents a plan that doesn't involve 10 million being killed in Seoul. Just take out Kim ! I doubt they have a line of nutters ! They will be grateful ! Power vacuums are, of course, known for the stability they bring. I don't think that would be the case in Korea , I think it would be more like Germany with a very quick re unification . Tho China could intervene !" . South Korea and China are not the best of buds | |||
"I read somewhere that he said nothing will happen until someone presents a plan that doesn't involve 10 million being killed in Seoul. Just take out Kim ! I doubt they have a line of nutters ! They will be grateful ! Power vacuums are, of course, known for the stability they bring. I don't think that would be the case in Korea , I think it would be more like Germany with a very quick re unification . Tho China could intervene !" Well, I'm all for the power of positivity, but this is just wide eyed optimism and nonsense. | |||
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"Trump does not have the power to just launch without going through the proper political channels. He has little support within the GOP." you are probably correct about Trump's support in the GOP, but you are wrong about his military power. It is true to say he does not have the power to declare war, that is vested in Congress. However he is the Commander In Chief of the US Armed Forces and once Congress has authorised military action Trump gets to set the terms and scope of engagement. Congress authorised military action against N Korea in 1950 and that has never been revoked, in the same way as Congress authorised military action in Afghanistan in 2001, Iraq in 2002 and Syria in 2013. Just to be clear about exactly how much power the president holds the 2001 and 2013 act authorised the president to take whatever action he though necessary to defeat terrorism so if Trump declares N Korea a terrorist state he can do whatever he likes by presidential decree! By the way he has so far proven himself to be more than capable of ordering massive military strikes. He has removed all restrictions on the use of drone strikes, he has ordered the first use in combat of the MOAB, he ordered a 59 cruise missile strike on a Syrian airfield where Russian forces were based and has overseen such an expansion in air strikes by the US in Syria that between 22 Jan and 22 July the US had killed more women and children in Syria than in the previous 8 years under Obama! | |||
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