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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
Maybe fib is being a bit kind since it's a blatant lie....
So here is a question for our leave friends..
Do you cringe every time someone brings it up?
I know it's usually used by those on the other side to bash you around the head with but when one of your own uses it, does it feel like a bit of an own goal?
When it gets to the stage the head of national statistics writes to boris to ask him to stop using the figures because they are not true, have we reached a level of silliness |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Maybe fib is being a bit kind since it's a blatant lie....
So here is a question for our leave friends..
Do you cringe every time someone brings it up?
I know it's usually used by those on the other side to bash you around the head with but when one of your own uses it, does it feel like a bit of an own goal?
When it gets to the stage the head of national statistics writes to boris to ask him to stop using the figures because they are not true, have we reached a level of silliness"
I brought this up last week....we all knew it was a blatant lie then not a fib.
Im more worried about the car manufacturers and what they have been saying at the Frankfurt motor show about brexit....very worrying....and them even saying now how disorganised this govenment is....looks like we might be losing 1000's of jobs....fingers crossed we wont  |
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By *ilk_TreMan
over a year ago
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"Here we go again....!
Surely if the UK doesn't have to give money to the EU once we have left the EU, then the UK government can spend it else where within the UK."
Do you know the difference between "gross" and "net"?
If my salary is 40k, how much do I have available to spend on bills groceries and entrance to swinging clubs?  |
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"Here we go again....!
Surely if the UK doesn't have to give money to the EU once we have left the EU, then the UK government can spend it else where within the UK.
Do you know the difference between "gross" and "net"?
If my salary is 40k, how much do I have available to spend on bills groceries and entrance to swinging clubs? "
Fair comment. However when the job was advertised it would have said salary 40k.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Here we go again....!
Surely if the UK doesn't have to give money to the EU once we have left the EU, then the UK government can spend it else where within the UK."
We have to pay for our commitments ie....what we have agreed to fund up to leaving....its like a phone contract...you agree it...if you leave you have to pay for the remaining period...unless you want the debt collectors around and get a bad credit rating
Your obviously one who believed that moron BoJo  |
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By *ilk_TreMan
over a year ago
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"Here we go again....!
Surely if the UK doesn't have to give money to the EU once we have left the EU, then the UK government can spend it else where within the UK.
Do you know the difference between "gross" and "net"?
If my salary is 40k, how much do I have available to spend on bills groceries and entrance to swinging clubs?
Fair comment. However when the job was advertised it would have said salary 40k. "
Anyone over school leaving age (maybe earlier) will be familiar with a phrase called "take home pay". |
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"Here we go again....!
Surely if the UK doesn't have to give money to the EU once we have left the EU, then the UK government can spend it else where within the UK.
Do you know the difference between "gross" and "net"?
If my salary is 40k, how much do I have available to spend on bills groceries and entrance to swinging clubs?
Fair comment. However when the job was advertised it would have said salary 40k.
Anyone over school leaving age (maybe earlier) will be familiar with a phrase called "take home pay". "
Of course but when was the last time you saw a job Ad quoting take home pay? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Here we go again....!
Surely if the UK doesn't have to give money to the EU once we have left the EU, then the UK government can spend it else where within the UK.
Do you know the difference between "gross" and "net"?
If my salary is 40k, how much do I have available to spend on bills groceries and entrance to swinging clubs?
Fair comment. However when the job was advertised it would have said salary 40k.
Anyone over school leaving age (maybe earlier) will be familiar with a phrase called "take home pay".
Of course but when was the last time you saw a job Ad quoting take home pay? "
Not very often...but twice now we have seen a politician tell bare faced lies to the public....the guys a disgrace and should not be in office...tells you a lot on how the leave campaign was run....but saying that the remain campaign wasn't run that much better  |
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"Here we go again....!
Surely if the UK doesn't have to give money to the EU once we have left the EU, then the UK government can spend it else where within the UK.
Do you know the difference between "gross" and "net"?
If my salary is 40k, how much do I have available to spend on bills groceries and entrance to swinging clubs?
Fair comment. However when the job was advertised it would have said salary 40k.
Anyone over school leaving age (maybe earlier) will be familiar with a phrase called "take home pay".
Of course but when was the last time you saw a job Ad quoting take home pay?
Not very often...but twice now we have seen a politician tell bare faced lies to the public....the guys a disgrace and should not be in office...tells you a lot on how the leave campaign was run....but saying that the remain campaign wasn't run that much better "
To be honest I really wish that the leave camp hadn't used the 350 million figure.
While it could e argued as "true" in one sense we all know that it was, at best, disingenuous.
The net figure would have had the same impact and couldn't have been argued with.
After saying that some of the scare tactics used by remain were just as bad, if not worse.
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By *ilk_TreMan
over a year ago
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"Here we go again....!
Surely if the UK doesn't have to give money to the EU once we have left the EU, then the UK government can spend it else where within the UK.
Do you know the difference between "gross" and "net"?
If my salary is 40k, how much do I have available to spend on bills groceries and entrance to swinging clubs?
Fair comment. However when the job was advertised it would have said salary 40k.
Anyone over school leaving age (maybe earlier) will be familiar with a phrase called "take home pay".
Of course but when was the last time you saw a job Ad quoting take home pay?
Not very often...but twice now we have seen a politician tell bare faced lies to the public....the guys a disgrace and should not be in office...tells you a lot on how the leave campaign was run....but saying that the remain campaign wasn't run that much better
To be honest I really wish that the leave camp hadn't used the 350 million figure.
While it could e argued as "true" in one sense we all know that it was, at best, disingenuous.
The net figure would have had the same impact and couldn't have been argued with.
After saying that some of the scare tactics used by remain were just as bad, if not worse.
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The problem with the net figure is that most of the people who have benefited from EU grants tend to be those who are disengaged from political debate. A case of the squeaky wheels getting the most grease! |
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
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Just for the sake of clarity here are the figures now ( which ironically are lower now since the devaluation of the pound)
The overall figure now would be 325 million..... after rebate it is actually 265 million... and then after money that comes back via projects and subsidies it's now about 150 million
Anyway it puts may in an awful position where she can't say the statistics authority is wrong, but can't rebuke johnson for fear of him resigning |
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By *ilk_TreMan
over a year ago
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"Just for the sake of clarity here are the figures now ( which ironically are lower now since the devaluation of the pound)
The overall figure now would be 325 million..... after rebate it is actually 265 million... and then after money that comes back via projects and subsidies it's now about 150 million
Anyway it puts may in an awful position where she can't say the statistics authority is wrong, but can't rebuke johnson for fear of him resigning "
So the question for the leave camp is: Where do community groups get the EXTRA £175 million from? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Here we go again....!
Surely if the UK doesn't have to give money to the EU once we have left the EU, then the UK government can spend it else where within the UK.
Do you know the difference between "gross" and "net"?
If my salary is 40k, how much do I have available to spend on bills groceries and entrance to swinging clubs?
Fair comment. However when the job was advertised it would have said salary 40k.
Anyone over school leaving age (maybe earlier) will be familiar with a phrase called "take home pay".
Of course but when was the last time you saw a job Ad quoting take home pay?
Not very often...but twice now we have seen a politician tell bare faced lies to the public....the guys a disgrace and should not be in office...tells you a lot on how the leave campaign was run....but saying that the remain campaign wasn't run that much better
To be honest I really wish that the leave camp hadn't used the 350 million figure.
While it could e argued as "true" in one sense we all know that it was, at best, disingenuous.
The net figure would have had the same impact and couldn't have been argued with.
After saying that some of the scare tactics used by remain were just as bad, if not worse.
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Indeed...but some of the scare tactics as you say are coming true...i.e the car industry.
Do you know these a poll out and it says that 7% of those who voted leave would change there minds now to remain...given everything thats come out.
And when i said the remain campaign wasn't much better...i meant they didn't campaign hard enough to stay in |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We are a divided nation a divided government and a divided society we are all pulling in different directions until that stops nothing is going to change. "
How do you propose it stops? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Here we go again....!
Surely if the UK doesn't have to give money to the EU once we have left the EU, then the UK government can spend it else where within the UK."
But what about the money the EU spends in the UK?
Are you going to tell the farmers that there are no more subsidies? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Maybe fib is being a bit kind since it's a blatant lie....
So here is a question for our leave friends..
Do you cringe every time someone brings it up?
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Not really. In my opinion Boris Johnson is a clown.
Who trusts what any politician says anyway? I didn't trust what the majority of the Leave campaign said. I didn't trust what the majority of the Remain campaign said.
I did my own research and made my decision based on that.
Probably not the answer you wanted to hear!
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By *ilk_TreMan
over a year ago
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"Maybe fib is being a bit kind since it's a blatant lie....
So here is a question for our leave friends..
Do you cringe every time someone brings it up?
Not really. In my opinion Boris Johnson is a clown.
Who trusts what any politician says anyway? I didn't trust what the majority of the Leave campaign said. I didn't trust what the majority of the Remain campaign said.
I did my own research and made my decision based on that.
Probably not the answer you wanted to hear!
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Sensible, rational thoughts have no place on the Internet! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"But what about the money the EU spends in the UK?
Are you going to tell the farmers that there are no more subsidies? "
There should be means testing on farming subsidies. Far too many don't actually need them. Is it really necessary to pay £56 per hectare per annum to the wealthy owners of grouse moors?
However I fear the NFU and other lobby groups will ensure payments will continue! |
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By *ilk_TreMan
over a year ago
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"But what about the money the EU spends in the UK?
Are you going to tell the farmers that there are no more subsidies?
There should be means testing on farming subsidies. Far too many don't actually need them. Is it really necessary to pay £56 per hectare per annum to the wealthy owners of grouse moors?
However I fear the NFU and other lobby groups will ensure payments will continue!"
Let me guess. That money could be given...to the NHS?   |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"But what about the money the EU spends in the UK?
Are you going to tell the farmers that there are no more subsidies?
There should be means testing on farming subsidies. Far too many don't actually need them. Is it really necessary to pay £56 per hectare per annum to the wealthy owners of grouse moors?
However I fear the NFU and other lobby groups will ensure payments will continue!"
In 1984, the New Zealand Goverment stopped farm subsidies totally.
Their farming industry is now one of the most efficient, innovative and profitable in the world.
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Just for the sake of clarity here are the figures now ( which ironically are lower now since the devaluation of the pound)
The overall figure now would be 325 million..... after rebate it is actually 265 million... and then after money that comes back via projects and subsidies it's now about 150 million
Anyway it puts may in an awful position where she can't say the statistics authority is wrong, but can't rebuke johnson for fear of him resigning "
How about the money invested from the European Investment Bank, are you counting that? Last year that was just under £7bn.
How about the money that the EU gives to private institutions in the UK (rather than government), such as universities, is that also included in your calculations? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Bojo seems to have underestimated his popularity, as the rest of the cabinet have looked at his latest stunt and are berating him like the stupid fucker he is.
In particular Gove has a keen memory for betrays about a year ago and is having nothing to do with this.
With such keen minds and unity, how could Brexit possibly be bad? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't believe that about the 7% I think if there was another vote tday it would be the same or even bigger margin "
I didnt expect you too....but the facts are there if you would like to google them.
It will get bigger as we move further along...then people like yourself will realize how you have been hoodwinked |
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"We are a divided nation a divided government and a divided society we are all pulling in different directions until that stops nothing is going to change.
How do you propose it stops? "
My own personal view does,nt mean anything neither does yours its up the government to stop its own tit for tat arguing first then we might start to get somewhere but I don't see that happening any time soon. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We are a divided nation a divided government and a divided society we are all pulling in different directions until that stops nothing is going to change.
How do you propose it stops?
My own personal view does,nt mean anything neither does yours its up the government to stop its own tit for tat arguing first then we might start to get somewhere but I don't see that happening any time soon."
I agree cos they fucked up big style in trying to get a huge majority to push it through without any opposition....and given that half the politicians are split what chance is there for us |
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No there not facts u said it was a poll do u know polls sent facts and if wev learned anything lately polls av tended to be shit as you well know I wasn't hoodwinked there was bs on both sides but guess what that's politics for ya |
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"I don't believe that about the 7% I think if there was another vote tday it would be the same or even bigger margin
I didnt expect you too....but the facts are there if you would like to google them.
It will get bigger as we move further along...then people like yourself will realize how you have been hoodwinked "
I don't believe it either I talk to a lot of people round my area and not one has said they have change they mind, on either side.
But I do believe this government is doing its best to make a big mess of things |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't believe that about the 7% I think if there was another vote tday it would be the same or even bigger margin
I didnt expect you too....but the facts are there if you would like to google them.
It will get bigger as we move further along...then people like yourself will realize how you have been hoodwinked
I don't believe it either I talk to a lot of people round my area and not one has said they have change they mind, on either side.
But I do believe this government is doing its best to make a big mess of things"
Up to 7 per cent of the people who voted for a Brexit in the EU referendum now regret their choice, new research has found.
When the survey’s findings are projected on to last week’s vote, they would cut the Leave share by 1.2 million, almost wiping out the majority that gave Friday's shock result.
Research by Opinium found that 3 per cent of those who voted Remain also regretted their choice and that British people are now divided on the priorities in the negotiations ahead.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-second-eu-referendum-leave-voters-regret-bregret-choice-in-millions-a7113336.html
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By (user no longer on site)
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" if wev learned anything lately polls av tended to be shit "
That's less "thing we've learned" and more "thing we've always found convenient to believe".
What people really should have learned is what "margin of error" means and that poll is not synonymous with ironclad promise. |
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"I don't believe that about the 7% I think if there was another vote tday it would be the same or even bigger margin
I didnt expect you too....but the facts are there if you would like to google them.
It will get bigger as we move further along...then people like yourself will realize how you have been hoodwinked
I don't believe it either I talk to a lot of people round my area and not one has said they have change they mind, on either side.
But I do believe this government is doing its best to make a big mess of things
Up to 7 per cent of the people who voted for a Brexit in the EU referendum now regret their choice, new research has found.
When the survey’s findings are projected on to last week’s vote, they would cut the Leave share by 1.2 million, almost wiping out the majority that gave Friday's shock result.
Research by Opinium found that 3 per cent of those who voted Remain also regretted their choice and that British people are now divided on the priorities in the negotiations ahead.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-second-eu-referendum-leave-voters-regret-bregret-choice-in-millions-a7113336.html
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So based on those figures leave would still win then. |
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"I don't believe that about the 7% I think if there was another vote tday it would be the same or even bigger margin
I didnt expect you too....but the facts are there if you would like to google them.
It will get bigger as we move further along...then people like yourself will realize how you have been hoodwinked
I don't believe it either I talk to a lot of people round my area and not one has said they have change they mind, on either side.
But I do believe this government is doing its best to make a big mess of things
Up to 7 per cent of the people who voted for a Brexit in the EU referendum now regret their choice, new research has found.
When the survey’s findings are projected on to last week’s vote, they would cut the Leave share by 1.2 million, almost wiping out the majority that gave Friday's shock result.
Research by Opinium found that 3 per cent of those who voted Remain also regretted their choice and that British people are now divided on the priorities in the negotiations ahead.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-second-eu-referendum-leave-voters-regret-bregret-choice-in-millions-a7113336.html
So based on those figures leave would still win then."
What do you think? and btw did you have a vote ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Here we go again....!
Surely if the UK doesn't have to give money to the EU once we have left the EU, then the UK government can spend it else where within the UK.
We have to pay for our commitments ie....what we have agreed to fund up to leaving....its like a phone contract...you agree it...if you leave you have to pay for the remaining period...unless you want the debt collectors around and get a bad credit rating
Your obviously one who believed that moron BoJo "
I treated that bus stunt with scepticism, i voted leave but not based on that crass stunt |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Surveys and polls if anything av been proven to be way of but yr saying it like it's a fact "
No i answered your question about it....and that was only from one source if you would care to check |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Maybe fib is being a bit kind since it's a blatant lie....
So here is a question for our leave friends..
Do you cringe every time someone brings it up?
I know it's usually used by those on the other side to bash you around the head with but when one of your own uses it, does it feel like a bit of an own goal?
When it gets to the stage the head of national statistics writes to boris to ask him to stop using the figures because they are not true, have we reached a level of silliness"
What do you make of 2 teenage wome who were interviewed on tv who voted leave 'for a laugh' then wanted s re run because they didn't realise the seriousness of the referendum?
They are remainers but being silly, wasted their votes. I voted leave but was annoyed by their stupid reason to vote leave |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Maybe fib is being a bit kind since it's a blatant lie....
So here is a question for our leave friends..
Do you cringe every time someone brings it up?
I know it's usually used by those on the other side to bash you around the head with but when one of your own uses it, does it feel like a bit of an own goal?
When it gets to the stage the head of national statistics writes to boris to ask him to stop using the figures because they are not true, have we reached a level of silliness
What do you make of 2 teenage wome who were interviewed on tv who voted leave 'for a laugh' then wanted s re run because they didn't realise the seriousness of the referendum?
They are remainers but being silly, wasted their votes. I voted leave but was annoyed by their stupid reason to vote leave"
Do you know a lot could had voted like those two |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Maybe fib is being a bit kind since it's a blatant lie....
So here is a question for our leave friends..
Do you cringe every time someone brings it up?
I know it's usually used by those on the other side to bash you around the head with but when one of your own uses it, does it feel like a bit of an own goal?
When it gets to the stage the head of national statistics writes to boris to ask him to stop using the figures because they are not true, have we reached a level of silliness
What do you make of 2 teenage wome who were interviewed on tv who voted leave 'for a laugh' then wanted s re run because they didn't realise the seriousness of the referendum?
They are remainers but being silly, wasted their votes. I voted leave but was annoyed by their stupid reason to vote leave
Do you know a lot could had voted like those two "
Possibly they did |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I no polls are incorrect a lot of the time but I think with all the crap going around with the tories people are beginning to think this may be wrong to leave as it's a right mess as you no "
I think the more this mess goes on the more people will begin to regret it...especially with the news from the car industry coming out now |
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"I don't believe that about the 7% I think if there was another vote tday it would be the same or even bigger margin
I didnt expect you too....but the facts are there if you would like to google them.
It will get bigger as we move further along...then people like yourself will realize how you have been hoodwinked
I don't believe it either I talk to a lot of people round my area and not one has said they have change they mind, on either side.
But I do believe this government is doing its best to make a big mess of things
Up to 7 per cent of the people who voted for a Brexit in the EU referendum now regret their choice, new research has found.
When the survey’s findings are projected on to last week’s vote, they would cut the Leave share by 1.2 million, almost wiping out the majority that gave Friday's shock result.
Research by Opinium found that 3 per cent of those who voted Remain also regretted their choice and that British people are now divided on the priorities in the negotiations ahead.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-second-eu-referendum-leave-voters-regret-bregret-choice-in-millions-a7113336.html
So based on those figures leave would still win then.
What do you think? and btw did you have a vote ?"
No I didn't get a vote as I've been gone for over 15 years.
As it is at the moment I think leave would still win although with a smaller majority.
However if the EU try to move the goal posts (as I mentioned on another thread) then I think leave could increase its majority. |
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over a year ago
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"Even if the polls were correct it makes no difference we are still leaving "
Only if business allows it remember that....without them we are royally fucked |
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over a year ago
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"I don't believe that about the 7% I think if there was another vote tday it would be the same or even bigger margin
I didnt expect you too....but the facts are there if you would like to google them.
It will get bigger as we move further along...then people like yourself will realize how you have been hoodwinked
I don't believe it either I talk to a lot of people round my area and not one has said they have change they mind, on either side.
But I do believe this government is doing its best to make a big mess of things
Up to 7 per cent of the people who voted for a Brexit in the EU referendum now regret their choice, new research has found.
When the survey’s findings are projected on to last week’s vote, they would cut the Leave share by 1.2 million, almost wiping out the majority that gave Friday's shock result.
Research by Opinium found that 3 per cent of those who voted Remain also regretted their choice and that British people are now divided on the priorities in the negotiations ahead.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-second-eu-referendum-leave-voters-regret-bregret-choice-in-millions-a7113336.html
So based on those figures leave would still win then.
What do you think? and btw did you have a vote ?
No I didn't get a vote as I've been gone for over 15 years.
As it is at the moment I think leave would still win although with a smaller majority.
However if the EU try to move the goal posts (as I mentioned on another thread) then I think leave could increase its majority."
How come you never?
Nah there goalposts have aleays been there...and id be willing to bet you the result would go the other way....all the indications are there along with some actual facts this time....the leavers have been showed up for what they are "!!! |
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"I don't believe that about the 7% I think if there was another vote tday it would be the same or even bigger margin
I didnt expect you too....but the facts are there if you would like to google them.
It will get bigger as we move further along...then people like yourself will realize how you have been hoodwinked
I don't believe it either I talk to a lot of people round my area and not one has said they have change they mind, on either side.
But I do believe this government is doing its best to make a big mess of things
Up to 7 per cent of the people who voted for a Brexit in the EU referendum now regret their choice, new research has found.
When the survey’s findings are projected on to last week’s vote, they would cut the Leave share by 1.2 million, almost wiping out the majority that gave Friday's shock result.
Research by Opinium found that 3 per cent of those who voted Remain also regretted their choice and that British people are now divided on the priorities in the negotiations ahead.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-second-eu-referendum-leave-voters-regret-bregret-choice-in-millions-a7113336.html
So based on those figures leave would still win then.
What do you think? and btw did you have a vote ?
No I didn't get a vote as I've been gone for over 15 years.
As it is at the moment I think leave would still win although with a smaller majority.
However if the EU try to move the goal posts (as I mentioned on another thread) then I think leave could increase its majority.
How come you never?
Nah there goalposts have aleays been there...and id be willing to bet you the result would go the other way....all the indications are there along with some actual facts this time....the leavers have been showed up for what they are "!!!"
How come I never? Simple I'm no longer allowed to vote in the UK. Once you've been gone for 15 years it's tilt game over.
As for people being showed up for what they are. That could be said about Juncker and Barnier.
They seem more hell bent on punishment than actually looking for any kind of deal.
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over a year ago
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"I don't believe that about the 7% I think if there was another vote tday it would be the same or even bigger margin
I didnt expect you too....but the facts are there if you would like to google them.
It will get bigger as we move further along...then people like yourself will realize how you have been hoodwinked
I don't believe it either I talk to a lot of people round my area and not one has said they have change they mind, on either side.
But I do believe this government is doing its best to make a big mess of things
Up to 7 per cent of the people who voted for a Brexit in the EU referendum now regret their choice, new research has found.
When the survey’s findings are projected on to last week’s vote, they would cut the Leave share by 1.2 million, almost wiping out the majority that gave Friday's shock result.
Research by Opinium found that 3 per cent of those who voted Remain also regretted their choice and that British people are now divided on the priorities in the negotiations ahead.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-second-eu-referendum-leave-voters-regret-bregret-choice-in-millions-a7113336.html
So based on those figures leave would still win then.
What do you think? and btw did you have a vote ?
No I didn't get a vote as I've been gone for over 15 years.
As it is at the moment I think leave would still win although with a smaller majority.
However if the EU try to move the goal posts (as I mentioned on another thread) then I think leave could increase its majority.
How come you never?
Nah there goalposts have aleays been there...and id be willing to bet you the result would go the other way....all the indications are there along with some actual facts this time....the leavers have been showed up for what they are "!!!
How come I never? Simple I'm no longer allowed to vote in the UK. Once you've been gone for 15 years it's tilt game over.
As for people being showed up for what they are. That could be said about Juncker and Barnier.
They seem more hell bent on punishment than actually looking for any kind of deal.
Even remainer in chief Vince Cable has called for Juncker to be replaced."
Juncker has been elected. Cable has no more right to call for Juncker to be replaced than Juncker has to call for cable to be replaced. |
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"I don't believe that about the 7% I think if there was another vote tday it would be the same or even bigger margin
I didnt expect you too....but the facts are there if you would like to google them.
It will get bigger as we move further along...then people like yourself will realize how you have been hoodwinked
I don't believe it either I talk to a lot of people round my area and not one has said they have change they mind, on either side.
But I do believe this government is doing its best to make a big mess of things
Up to 7 per cent of the people who voted for a Brexit in the EU referendum now regret their choice, new research has found.
When the survey’s findings are projected on to last week’s vote, they would cut the Leave share by 1.2 million, almost wiping out the majority that gave Friday's shock result.
Research by Opinium found that 3 per cent of those who voted Remain also regretted their choice and that British people are now divided on the priorities in the negotiations ahead.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-second-eu-referendum-leave-voters-regret-bregret-choice-in-millions-a7113336.html
So based on those figures leave would still win then.
What do you think? and btw did you have a vote ?
No I didn't get a vote as I've been gone for over 15 years.
As it is at the moment I think leave would still win although with a smaller majority.
However if the EU try to move the goal posts (as I mentioned on another thread) then I think leave could increase its majority.
How come you never?
Nah there goalposts have aleays been there...and id be willing to bet you the result would go the other way....all the indications are there along with some actual facts this time....the leavers have been showed up for what they are "!!!
How come I never? Simple I'm no longer allowed to vote in the UK. Once you've been gone for 15 years it's tilt game over.
As for people being showed up for what they are. That could be said about Juncker and Barnier.
They seem more hell bent on punishment than actually looking for any kind of deal.
Even remainer in chief Vince Cable has called for Juncker to be replaced."
Hmmm ok then
seems to me they just want what we committed to...but ok.
i think juncker quite a nice chap tbh...he seems pretty levelheaded ....he thinks like most of the motor manufacturers think about the governments approach to the negotiations.
I quote this is from them having a meeting with May...Davis and the rest of the motley crew on them
The Government faces a growing revolt from carmakers in Britain unhappy at the slow pace of clarity over post-Brexit customs arrangements crucial to their business model.
Sky News has been shown internal industry memos, circulating at the Frankfurt Motor Show, expressing exasperation at the state of preparedness for changes to customs - which could come in in March 2019 and for which immediate investment and staffing is required.
A recent meeting with Government was described as "disillusioning" because of a "lack of detailed information and blocking of our questions".
Officials were described as having "no concrete idea of how to apply [customs] proposals".
http://news.sky.com/story/government-faces-brexit-revolt-from-unhappy-car-makers-over-customs-11041724
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The concept of the UK being "punished" as it's being used here, is one people in the UK are going to have to get used to.
The UK is the smaller side with the weaker hand, and poorer diplomats, in the negotiations with the EU - so they're not going to get everything they want.
Apparently, this state of affairs is the fault of everyone BUT the UK. |
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"I don't believe that about the 7% I think if there was another vote tday it would be the same or even bigger margin
I didnt expect you too....but the facts are there if you would like to google them.
It will get bigger as we move further along...then people like yourself will realize how you have been hoodwinked
I don't believe it either I talk to a lot of people round my area and not one has said they have change they mind, on either side.
But I do believe this government is doing its best to make a big mess of things
Up to 7 per cent of the people who voted for a Brexit in the EU referendum now regret their choice, new research has found.
When the survey’s findings are projected on to last week’s vote, they would cut the Leave share by 1.2 million, almost wiping out the majority that gave Friday's shock result.
Research by Opinium found that 3 per cent of those who voted Remain also regretted their choice and that British people are now divided on the priorities in the negotiations ahead.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-second-eu-referendum-leave-voters-regret-bregret-choice-in-millions-a7113336.html
So based on those figures leave would still win then.
What do you think? and btw did you have a vote ?
No I didn't get a vote as I've been gone for over 15 years.
As it is at the moment I think leave would still win although with a smaller majority.
However if the EU try to move the goal posts (as I mentioned on another thread) then I think leave could increase its majority.
How come you never?
Nah there goalposts have aleays been there...and id be willing to bet you the result would go the other way....all the indications are there along with some actual facts this time....the leavers have been showed up for what they are "!!!"
so come on what av the leavers been shown up for what exactly are they ? |
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"I don't believe that about the 7% I think if there was another vote tday it would be the same or even bigger margin
I didnt expect you too....but the facts are there if you would like to google them.
It will get bigger as we move further along...then people like yourself will realize how you have been hoodwinked
I don't believe it either I talk to a lot of people round my area and not one has said they have change they mind, on either side.
But I do believe this government is doing its best to make a big mess of things
Up to 7 per cent of the people who voted for a Brexit in the EU referendum now regret their choice, new research has found.
When the survey’s findings are projected on to last week’s vote, they would cut the Leave share by 1.2 million, almost wiping out the majority that gave Friday's shock result.
Research by Opinium found that 3 per cent of those who voted Remain also regretted their choice and that British people are now divided on the priorities in the negotiations ahead.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-second-eu-referendum-leave-voters-regret-bregret-choice-in-millions-a7113336.html
So based on those figures leave would still win then.
What do you think? and btw did you have a vote ?
No I didn't get a vote as I've been gone for over 15 years.
As it is at the moment I think leave would still win although with a smaller majority.
However if the EU try to move the goal posts (as I mentioned on another thread) then I think leave could increase its majority.
How come you never?
Nah there goalposts have aleays been there...and id be willing to bet you the result would go the other way....all the indications are there along with some actual facts this time....the leavers have been showed up for what they are "!!! so come on what av the leavers been shown up for what exactly are they ?"
The leave campaign have been showed up as lying...LIARS.... telling pork pies....distorting the truth...in your terms plain old lies....and not little white lies |
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"I don't believe that about the 7% I think if there was another vote tday it would be the same or even bigger margin
I didnt expect you too....but the facts are there if you would like to google them.
It will get bigger as we move further along...then people like yourself will realize how you have been hoodwinked "
I've just Googled 'the facts' as you call them. The poll you quoted is from June 2016 so hardly relevant today!
The paragraph below the headline is 'research suggests that if a second referendum were held, the vote would be much closer.'
It goes on to say '3 per cent of those who voted Remain also regretted their choice.'
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"I don't believe that about the 7% I think if there was another vote tday it would be the same or even bigger margin
I didnt expect you too....but the facts are there if you would like to google them.
It will get bigger as we move further along...then people like yourself will realize how you have been hoodwinked "
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"I don't believe that about the 7% I think if there was another vote tday it would be the same or even bigger margin
I didnt expect you too....but the facts are there if you would like to google them.
It will get bigger as we move further along...then people like yourself will realize how you have been hoodwinked "
Its a fact...theres a poll and more about it...he missed the point as per usual...exactly like you have....did you even read it |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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Juncker has been elected.
Who was he elected by?
In another post you claimed he was elected as an MEP. Do you still stand by that?"
My mistake, I had thought that he had been an MEP, but he hadn't. He was elected to his current position by the 729 MEPs. To compare this to some other systems, the US has 538 electors who chose the President and VP. Theresa May won a leadership election which started off with 329 votes, but eventually she was unopposed after others withdraw or were eliminated in early rounds of voting and she won by default. Xi Jingping was elected by 205 members of the Central Committee. |
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I didn't call them the facts i called them a poll"
You said 'the facts are there if you would like to google them'. |
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"Maybe fib is being a bit kind since it's a blatant lie....
So here is a question for our leave friends..
Do you cringe every time someone brings it up?
I know it's usually used by those on the other side to bash you around the head with but when one of your own uses it, does it feel like a bit of an own goal?
When it gets to the stage the head of national statistics writes to boris to ask him to stop using the figures because they are not true, have we reached a level of silliness"
We are all leave including you, get used to it |
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I didn't call them the facts i called them a poll
You said 'the facts are there if you would like to google them'."
They said they didnt believe there was a poll...i showed them there was...and said theres the facts...is it so difficult for you to understand |
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"The concept of the UK being "punished" as it's being used here, is one people in the UK are going to have to get used to.
The UK is the smaller side with the weaker hand, and poorer diplomats, in the negotiations with the EU - so they're not going to get everything they want.
Apparently, this state of affairs is the fault of everyone BUT the UK."
For once we agree... Roll back to this time last year and Europe would be shitting themselves at the negotiation table according to the three brexiteers |
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I didn't call them the facts i called them a poll
You said 'the facts are there if you would like to google them'.
They said they didnt believe there was a poll...i showed them there was...and said theres the facts...is it so difficult for you to understand "
You showed us a poll from June 2016! What relevance has that got today? Even then you didn't tell the whole story. You conveniently only quoted the results of the poll that suited you. Half the facts. You're no better than Boris! |
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Juncker has been elected.
Who was he elected by?
In another post you claimed he was elected as an MEP. Do you still stand by that?
My mistake, I had thought that he had been an MEP, but he hadn't. He was elected to his current position by the 729 MEPs. To compare this to some other systems, the US has 538 electors who chose the President and VP. Theresa May won a leadership election which started off with 329 votes, but eventually she was unopposed after others withdraw or were eliminated in early rounds of voting and she won by default. Xi Jingping was elected by 205 members of the Central Committee. "
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Do you think the 538 electors in the US system should have ignored the voters and ejected Hilary as that would have been better for the "countries interest"? |
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Juncker has been elected.
Who was he elected by?
In another post you claimed he was elected as an MEP. Do you still stand by that?
My mistake, I had thought that he had been an MEP, but he hadn't. He was elected to his current position by the 729 MEPs. To compare this to some other systems, the US has 538 electors who chose the President and VP. Theresa May won a leadership election which started off with 329 votes, but eventually she was unopposed after others withdraw or were eliminated in early rounds of voting and she won by default. Xi Jingping was elected by 205 members of the Central Committee. .
Do you think the 538 electors in the US system should have ignored the voters and ejected Hilary as that would have been better for the "countries interest"? "
Acting as a last bulwark against populist, irresponsible demagogues is part of the purpose of the electoral college.
There is an argument to be made that they should have done exactly that.
Well, elect, rather than eject. |
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Juncker has been elected.
Who was he elected by?
In another post you claimed he was elected as an MEP. Do you still stand by that?
My mistake, I had thought that he had been an MEP, but he hadn't. He was elected to his current position by the 729 MEPs. To compare this to some other systems, the US has 538 electors who chose the President and VP. Theresa May won a leadership election which started off with 329 votes, but eventually she was unopposed after others withdraw or were eliminated in early rounds of voting and she won by default. Xi Jingping was elected by 205 members of the Central Committee. .
Do you think the 538 electors in the US system should have ignored the voters and ejected Hilary as that would have been better for the "countries interest"?
Acting as a last bulwark against populist, irresponsible demagogues is part of the purpose of the electoral college.
There is an argument to be made that they should have done exactly that.
Well, elect, rather than eject."
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Yes or no would have done! |
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Isn't it great that at a time of uncertainty, where we indeed need 'strong and stable' leadership, the Tories are once again in-fighting and jostling for leadership contests?
I mean, obviously that is part of how we got in this Brexit mess in the first place. But it's nice that they've learned absolutely nothing. |
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"Isn't it great that at a time of uncertainty, where we indeed need 'strong and stable' leadership, the Tories are once again in-fighting and jostling for leadership contests?
I mean, obviously that is part of how we got in this Brexit mess in the first place. But it's nice that they've learned absolutely nothing. "
Here here a right old mess it gets worse by the day
We are in the shit once we have left god help us please
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"Just for the sake of clarity here are the figures now ( which ironically are lower now since the devaluation of the pound)
The overall figure now would be 325 million..... after rebate it is actually 265 million... and then after money that comes back via projects and subsidies it's now about 150 million
Anyway it puts may in an awful position where she can't say the statistics authority is wrong, but can't rebuke johnson for fear of him resigning "
Never one to argue with your figures Fabio.... but actually Boris was much more careful this time.
He talked about the money we "have control over" which could be argued (with a bit of poetic licence) to be the gross figure.
From which we receive a rebate (though this is backdated) and we also receive regional grant aid. Leaving (when I last looked) a "net" contribution of around £180 million a week.
I'm sure tho, that he knew the headlines would miss the subtlety of his language....and stir the shit which he obviously intended. |
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"Just for the sake of clarity here are the figures now ( which ironically are lower now since the devaluation of the pound)
The overall figure now would be 325 million..... after rebate it is actually 265 million... and then after money that comes back via projects and subsidies it's now about 150 million
Anyway it puts may in an awful position where she can't say the statistics authority is wrong, but can't rebuke johnson for fear of him resigning
Never one to argue with your figures Fabio.... but actually Boris was much more careful this time.
He talked about the money we "have control over" which could be argued (with a bit of poetic licence) to be the gross figure.
From which we receive a rebate (though this is backdated) and we also receive regional grant aid. Leaving (when I last looked) a "net" contribution of around £180 million a week.
I'm sure tho, that he knew the headlines would miss the subtlety of his language....and stir the shit which he obviously intended."
Didn't May rebuke it already? |
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Juncker has been elected.
Who was he elected by?
In another post you claimed he was elected as an MEP. Do you still stand by that?
My mistake, I had thought that he had been an MEP, but he hadn't. He was elected to his current position by the 729 MEPs. To compare this to some other systems, the US has 538 electors who chose the President and VP. Theresa May won a leadership election which started off with 329 votes, but eventually she was unopposed after others withdraw or were eliminated in early rounds of voting and she won by default. Xi Jingping was elected by 205 members of the Central Committee. .
Do you think the 538 electors in the US system should have ignored the voters and ejected Hilary as that would have been better for the "countries interest"?
Acting as a last bulwark against populist, irresponsible demagogues is part of the purpose of the electoral college.
There is an argument to be made that they should have done exactly that.
Well, elect, rather than eject..
Yes or no would have done!"
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"Here we go again....!
Surely if the UK doesn't have to give money to the EU once we have left the EU, then the UK government can spend it else where within the UK.
Do you know the difference between "gross" and "net"?
If my salary is 40k, how much do I have available to spend on bills groceries and entrance to swinging clubs?
Fair comment. However when the job was advertised it would have said salary 40k.
Anyone over school leaving age (maybe earlier) will be familiar with a phrase called "take home pay".
Of course but when was the last time you saw a job Ad quoting take home pay?
Not very often...but twice now we have seen a politician tell bare faced lies to the public....the guys a disgrace and should not be in office...tells you a lot on how the leave campaign was run....but saying that the remain campaign wasn't run that much better
To be honest I really wish that the leave camp hadn't used the 350 million figure.
While it could e argued as "true" in one sense we all know that it was, at best, disingenuous.
The net figure would have had the same impact and couldn't have been argued with.
After saying that some of the scare tactics used by remain were just as bad, if not worse.
Indeed...but some of the scare tactics as you say are coming true...i.e the car industry.
Do you know these a poll out and it says that 7% of those who voted leave would change there minds now to remain...given everything thats come out.
And when i said the remain campaign wasn't much better...i meant they didn't campaign hard enough to stay in "
Is that the same poll that's got May on 51% and Corbyn on 35% on being able to manage Brexit? |
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over a year ago
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Juncker has been elected.
Who was he elected by?
In another post you claimed he was elected as an MEP. Do you still stand by that?
My mistake, I had thought that he had been an MEP, but he hadn't. He was elected to his current position by the 729 MEPs. To compare this to some other systems, the US has 538 electors who chose the President and VP. Theresa May won a leadership election which started off with 329 votes, but eventually she was unopposed after others withdraw or were eliminated in early rounds of voting and she won by default. Xi Jingping was elected by 205 members of the Central Committee. "
So he was elected by 729 MEPs?
Really? |
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over a year ago
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Juncker has been elected.
Who was he elected by?
In another post you claimed he was elected as an MEP. Do you still stand by that?
My mistake, I had thought that he had been an MEP, but he hadn't. He was elected to his current position by the 729 MEPs. To compare this to some other systems, the US has 538 electors who chose the President and VP. Theresa May won a leadership election which started off with 329 votes, but eventually she was unopposed after others withdraw or were eliminated in early rounds of voting and she won by default. Xi Jingping was elected by 205 members of the Central Committee.
So he was elected by 729 MEPs?
Really?"
729 MEPs voted on it, yes. |
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Juncker has been elected.
Who was he elected by?
In another post you claimed he was elected as an MEP. Do you still stand by that?
My mistake, I had thought that he had been an MEP, but he hadn't. He was elected to his current position by the 729 MEPs. To compare this to some other systems, the US has 538 electors who chose the President and VP. Theresa May won a leadership election which started off with 329 votes, but eventually she was unopposed after others withdraw or were eliminated in early rounds of voting and she won by default. Xi Jingping was elected by 205 members of the Central Committee.
So he was elected by 729 MEPs?
Really?
729 MEPs voted on it, yes."
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over a year ago
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Juncker has been elected.
Who was he elected by?
In another post you claimed he was elected as an MEP. Do you still stand by that?
My mistake, I had thought that he had been an MEP, but he hadn't. He was elected to his current position by the 729 MEPs. To compare this to some other systems, the US has 538 electors who chose the President and VP. Theresa May won a leadership election which started off with 329 votes, but eventually she was unopposed after others withdraw or were eliminated in early rounds of voting and she won by default. Xi Jingping was elected by 205 members of the Central Committee.
So he was elected by 729 MEPs?
Really?
729 MEPs voted on it, yes."
So following that logic then 34 Million voted for Brexit. |
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Juncker has been elected.
Who was he elected by?
In another post you claimed he was elected as an MEP. Do you still stand by that?
My mistake, I had thought that he had been an MEP, but he hadn't. He was elected to his current position by the 729 MEPs. To compare this to some other systems, the US has 538 electors who chose the President and VP. Theresa May won a leadership election which started off with 329 votes, but eventually she was unopposed after others withdraw or were eliminated in early rounds of voting and she won by default. Xi Jingping was elected by 205 members of the Central Committee.
So he was elected by 729 MEPs?
Really?
729 MEPs voted on it, yes.
So following that logic then 34 Million voted for Brexit."
34 Million voted *on* Brexit, yes. |
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Juncker has been elected.
Who was he elected by?
In another post you claimed he was elected as an MEP. Do you still stand by that?
My mistake, I had thought that he had been an MEP, but he hadn't. He was elected to his current position by the 729 MEPs. To compare this to some other systems, the US has 538 electors who chose the President and VP. Theresa May won a leadership election which started off with 329 votes, but eventually she was unopposed after others withdraw or were eliminated in early rounds of voting and she won by default. Xi Jingping was elected by 205 members of the Central Committee.
So he was elected by 729 MEPs?
Really?
729 MEPs voted on it, yes.
So following that logic then 34 Million voted for Brexit."
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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Juncker has been elected.
Who was he elected by?
In another post you claimed he was elected as an MEP. Do you still stand by that?
My mistake, I had thought that he had been an MEP, but he hadn't. He was elected to his current position by the 729 MEPs. To compare this to some other systems, the US has 538 electors who chose the President and VP. Theresa May won a leadership election which started off with 329 votes, but eventually she was unopposed after others withdraw or were eliminated in early rounds of voting and she won by default. Xi Jingping was elected by 205 members of the Central Committee.
So he was elected by 729 MEPs?
Really?
729 MEPs voted on it, yes.
So following that logic then 34 Million voted for Brexit.
34 Million voted *on* Brexit, yes."
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"Isn't it great that at a time of uncertainty, where we indeed need 'strong and stable' leadership, the Tories are once again in-fighting and jostling for leadership contests?
I mean, obviously that is part of how we got in this Brexit mess in the first place. But it's nice that they've learned absolutely nothing. "
This is why the current model of democracy is a crock of shit... Nothing can be done whilst people are playing a short term popularity contest in the background |
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"Here we go again....!
Surely if the UK doesn't have to give money to the EU once we have left the EU, then the UK government can spend it else where within the UK.
Do you know the difference between "gross" and "net"?
If my salary is 40k, how much do I have available to spend on bills groceries and entrance to swinging clubs? "
I never mentioned a figure so "gross" and "net" make no different.
So however much we do not give to the EU is money that can be spent in the UK.
No rocket science is it..! |
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"Here we go again....!
Surely if the UK doesn't have to give money to the EU once we have left the EU, then the UK government can spend it else where within the UK.
We have to pay for our commitments ie....what we have agreed to fund up to leaving....its like a phone contract...you agree it...if you leave you have to pay for the remaining period...unless you want the debt collectors around and get a bad credit rating
Your obviously one who believed that moron BoJo "
Well apparently our legal team have said we do not have to give them a penny.
Once they have assembled their EU army (which the remainers said will not happen) they can try and come get it! |
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"Here we go again....!
Surely if the UK doesn't have to give money to the EU once we have left the EU, then the UK government can spend it else where within the UK.
We have to pay for our commitments ie....what we have agreed to fund up to leaving....its like a phone contract...you agree it...if you leave you have to pay for the remaining period...unless you want the debt collectors around and get a bad credit rating
Your obviously one who believed that moron BoJo
Well apparently our legal team have said we do not have to give them a penny.
Once they have assembled their EU army (which the remainers said will not happen) they can try and come get it!"
LOL
A major trading block holds the upper hand financially. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Here we go again....!
Surely if the UK doesn't have to give money to the EU once we have left the EU, then the UK government can spend it else where within the UK.
We have to pay for our commitments ie....what we have agreed to fund up to leaving....its like a phone contract...you agree it...if you leave you have to pay for the remaining period...unless you want the debt collectors around and get a bad credit rating
Your obviously one who believed that moron BoJo
Well apparently our legal team have said we do not have to give them a penny.
Once they have assembled their EU army (which the remainers said will not happen) they can try and come get it!"
Bojo also said swivel now there suggesting 20m lol |
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