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over a year ago
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He said there is a "significant possibility" it still wont happen, with all the twists and turns still ahead, what is your view of it? I agree with him  |
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No, regardless of cost, regardless of how much damage it does to the economy, regardless of how many of our civil liberties we lose and regardless of how many of our treasured institutions we lose as a direct result of brexit, brexit will happen. And it will be the hardest possible brexit because it gives our authoritarian, fascist government an opportunity to dismantle the last vestiges of the welfare that was instituted in 1946 and managed to clear a near 300% of GDP national debt, rebuild a war torn country, rip down and replace the inner city slums with modern affordable social council owned housing removing the blot that was the slumlords in 30 years while improving health, living standards and life expectancy for all.
Of course the biggest joke of all is that while claiming that by making property ownership a distant dream for any but the wealth and providing the perfect conditions where Rachmanist slumlords can once again thrive that they are improving the future for our young. The fact that they have made the young take on an average of £50,000 of debt before they even start their working career to gain an education and have managed to reverse the direction the country is headed in with a lowering of living standards and a lowering of life expectancy puts the lie to all tory claims.
And they are not going to miss out on an opportunity to turn Britain into a small scale copy of India where the vast majority live in abject poverty so that the hyper wealthy scum can live like kings and build ever higher walls to hide their wealth from those they impoverish.
Look at the India and see what is in store for us. Brexit is going to accelerate the descent and May and her tories have their foot hard down on the throttle and are making sure that when we go over the cliff no one will throw us a lifeline. The truth is Davis and his CUNT's are not the incompetents we think bumbling around without a plan. They know exactly what they are doing. They are systematically sabotaging and destroying any and all ways to ameliorate the worst effects of brexit.
Of course brexit will happen and it is going to be painful for all but the top 1% who will o very nicely out of it thank you. |
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"No, regardless of cost, regardless of how much damage it does to the economy, regardless of how many of our civil liberties we lose and regardless of how many of our treasured institutions we lose as a direct result of brexit, brexit will happen. And it will be the hardest possible brexit because it gives our authoritarian, fascist government an opportunity to dismantle the last vestiges of the welfare that was instituted in 1946 and managed to clear a near 300% of GDP national debt, rebuild a war torn country, rip down and replace the inner city slums with modern affordable social council owned housing removing the blot that was the slumlords in 30 years while improving health, living standards and life expectancy for all.
Of course the biggest joke of all is that while claiming that by making property ownership a distant dream for any but the wealth and providing the perfect conditions where Rachmanist slumlords can once again thrive that they are improving the future for our young. The fact that they have made the young take on an average of £50,000 of debt before they even start their working career to gain an education and have managed to reverse the direction the country is headed in with a lowering of living standards and a lowering of life expectancy puts the lie to all tory claims.
And they are not going to miss out on an opportunity to turn Britain into a small scale copy of India where the vast majority live in abject poverty so that the hyper wealthy scum can live like kings and build ever higher walls to hide their wealth from those they impoverish.
Look at the India and see what is in store for us. Brexit is going to accelerate the descent and May and her tories have their foot hard down on the throttle and are making sure that when we go over the cliff no one will throw us a lifeline. The truth is Davis and his CUNT's are not the incompetents we think bumbling around without a plan. They know exactly what they are doing. They are systematically sabotaging and destroying any and all ways to ameliorate the worst effects of brexit.
Of course brexit will happen and it is going to be painful for all but the top 1% who will o very nicely out of it thank you. "
You are blaming everything on this so-called fascist government, yet fail to acknowledge that most of what you have described above has been allowed to happen under multiple governments and the majority whilst the United Kingdom was in the EU!
The damage is already done and the civil liberties have already disappeared! We have been slowly str4ngled for years by neoliberalists, the real people running the EU. Staying in the EU just means the noose will tighten even more.
Yes I agree that the country is in a mess - lack of affordable housing, food banks, ever widening gap between rich and poor, large corporations paying minimal taxes to name a few of the problems. But the problems are Europe wide.
The referendum vote gave the UK a chance to jump off the gallows. Nobody was expecting Leave to win - not even your fascist government!
Yes it is going to be painful but if given the option to slip the knot or a slow death by str4ngulation in the EU I know what I would, and did, choose.
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"No, regardless of cost, regardless of how much damage it does to the economy, regardless of how many of our civil liberties we lose and regardless of how many of our treasured institutions we lose as a direct result of brexit, brexit will happen. And it will be the hardest possible brexit because it gives our authoritarian, fascist government an opportunity to dismantle the last vestiges of the welfare that was instituted in 1946 and managed to clear a near 300% of GDP national debt, rebuild a war torn country, rip down and replace the inner city slums with modern affordable social council owned housing removing the blot that was the slumlords in 30 years while improving health, living standards and life expectancy for all.
Of course the biggest joke of all is that while claiming that by making property ownership a distant dream for any but the wealth and providing the perfect conditions where Rachmanist slumlords can once again thrive that they are improving the future for our young. The fact that they have made the young take on an average of £50,000 of debt before they even start their working career to gain an education and have managed to reverse the direction the country is headed in with a lowering of living standards and a lowering of life expectancy puts the lie to all tory claims.
And they are not going to miss out on an opportunity to turn Britain into a small scale copy of India where the vast majority live in abject poverty so that the hyper wealthy scum can live like kings and build ever higher walls to hide their wealth from those they impoverish.
Look at the India and see what is in store for us. Brexit is going to accelerate the descent and May and her tories have their foot hard down on the throttle and are making sure that when we go over the cliff no one will throw us a lifeline. The truth is Davis and his CUNT's are not the incompetents we think bumbling around without a plan. They know exactly what they are doing. They are systematically sabotaging and destroying any and all ways to ameliorate the worst effects of brexit.
Of course brexit will happen and it is going to be painful for all but the top 1% who will o very nicely out of it thank you. "
This completely. "Brexit means Brexit" is just a meaningless soundbite, it all depends on what sort of government we have here. Whilst there are valid concerns about supranational governance having anti-democratic outcomes, the idea that states should be accountable to some kind of higher authority isn't a bad idea when you think of what the Nazis did, which is how the UN and the Geneva convention came into being. Now we're witnessing a global race to the bottom in terms of human rights: look at Turkey, Syria, the Philippines as examples. In the UK and US, democracy is a lot more entrenched, but Trump's war on journalism, and the Investigatory Powers Act here are attempts at going down the same path.
Vince Cable is deluded. The Lib Dems were the only major anti-Brexit party at the election, and they failed to make significant gains. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He said there is a "significant possibility" it still wont happen, with all the twists and turns still ahead, what is your view of it? I agree with him "
I have no idea! I am hoping it will.
Is this him just trying to get some column inches in the papers? The predictions from Vince's crystal ball haven't been reliable in the past. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The damage is already done and the civil liberties have already disappeared! We have been slowly str4ngled for years by neoliberalists, the real people running the EU. Staying in the EU just means the noose will tighten even more."
This is a good point, but I think it's worth pointing out that Britain took the lead in Europe in adopting neoliberal policies, destroying manufacturing bases, and laying creating the conditions for multinationals to flourish and easily move operations between countries. We will still have this problem with Tory governments, because their solution is always going to be less tax, less regulation...encouraging another sort of global race to the bottom.
I agree with caution about using the word "fascist". |
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"You are blaming everything on this so-called fascist government, yet fail to acknowledge that most of what you have described above has been allowed to happen under multiple governments and the majority whilst the United Kingdom was in the EU!
The damage is already done and the civil liberties have already disappeared! We have been slowly str4ngled for years by neoliberalists, the real people running the EU. Staying in the EU just means the noose will tighten even more.
Yes I agree that the country is in a mess - lack of affordable housing, food banks, ever widening gap between rich and poor, large corporations paying minimal taxes to name a few of the problems. But the problems are Europe wide.
The referendum vote gave the UK a chance to jump off the gallows. Nobody was expecting Leave to win - not even your fascist government!
Yes it is going to be painful but if given the option to slip the knot or a slow death by str4ngulation in the EU I know what I would, and did, choose.
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No. I am well aware that this fascist government is nothing more than the culmination of a near 40 year project that started with Thatcher's 'greed is good', 'I'm giving everyone the opportunity to own their own home', how have those con tricks worked out for the majority? Followed by Blairs tory enterist new labour that helped move British politics so far to the right of centre that many now believe that what by definition has to be economic centre ground (a mixed economy) is communist economic theory and socialism is communism.
Be realistic, look at the history. Look at what is happening and being said now and extrapolate. Then try an convince me I am wrong rather than saying this is not just the fault of the present lot. Because the argument that because previous governments have fucked things up by gradually introducing an unregulated capitalist economy while moving the tax burden from being earnings based to spending based and from the highest earners (those with capital) to the majority (those without capital) is justification to accelerate the process is frankly insane. When you realise your in a hole you need to stop digging. |
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By *oubepoMan
over a year ago
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I certainly think it's possible, especially if Vince Cable can join arms with Eddie Izzard, David Beckham and Sir Bob Geldof. Together I believe they can orchestrate a military coup within the next 6 months
If the Boom Town Rats join in, I reckon Brexit could be completely overturned by the end of the year |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I certainly think it's possible, especially if Vince Cable can join arms with Eddie Izzard, David Beckham and Sir Bob Geldof. Together I believe they can orchestrate a military coup within the next 6 months
If the Boom Town Rats join in, I reckon Brexit could be completely overturned by the end of the year"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No. I am well aware that this fascist government is nothing more than the culmination of a near 40 year project that started with Thatcher's 'greed is good', 'I'm giving everyone the opportunity to own their own home', how have those con tricks worked out for the majority? Followed by Blairs tory enterist new labour that helped move British politics so far to the right of centre that many now believe that what by definition has to be economic centre ground (a mixed economy) is communist economic theory and socialism is communism.
Be realistic, look at the history. Look at what is happening and being said now and extrapolate. Then try an convince me I am wrong rather than saying this is not just the fault of the present lot. Because the argument that because previous governments have fucked things up by gradually introducing an unregulated capitalist economy while moving the tax burden from being earnings based to spending based and from the highest earners (those with capital) to the majority (those without capital) is justification to accelerate the process is frankly insane. When you realise your in a hole you need to stop digging."
Where in my response did I say that because previous governments have fucked things up by gradually introducing an unregulated capitalist economy while moving the tax burden from being earnings based to spending based and from the highest earners (those with capital) to the majority (those without capital) it is justification for anything, let alone to accelerate the process?
I have looked at history, and what is happening and being said now.
When you realise you're in a hole you don't just stop digging. You start trying to get out before the sides cave in or people above start shitting on you because they've seen you know you're in a hole!
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"You are blaming everything on this so-called fascist government, yet fail to acknowledge that most of what you have described above has been allowed to happen under multiple governments and the majority whilst the United Kingdom was in the EU!
The damage is already done and the civil liberties have already disappeared! We have been slowly str4ngled for years by neoliberalists, the real people running the EU. Staying in the EU just means the noose will tighten even more.
Yes I agree that the country is in a mess - lack of affordable housing, food banks, ever widening gap between rich and poor, large corporations paying minimal taxes to name a few of the problems. But the problems are Europe wide.
The referendum vote gave the UK a chance to jump off the gallows. Nobody was expecting Leave to win - not even your fascist government!
Yes it is going to be painful but if given the option to slip the knot or a slow death by str4ngulation in the EU I know what I would, and did, choose.
No. I am well aware that this fascist government is nothing more than the culmination of a near 40 year project that started with Thatcher's 'greed is good', 'I'm giving everyone the opportunity to own their own home', how have those con tricks worked out for the majority? Followed by Blairs tory enterist new labour that helped move British politics so far to the right of centre that many now believe that what by definition has to be economic centre ground (a mixed economy) is communist economic theory and socialism is communism.
Be realistic, look at the history. Look at what is happening and being said now and extrapolate. Then try an convince me I am wrong rather than saying this is not just the fault of the present lot. Because the argument that because previous governments have fucked things up by gradually introducing an unregulated capitalist economy while moving the tax burden from being earnings based to spending based and from the highest earners (those with capital) to the majority (those without capital) is justification to accelerate the process is frankly insane. When you realise your in a hole you need to stop digging."
The EU single market was Thatcher's creation so if this is a 40 year Tory project started by Thatcher it seems to have gone a wry. We are now leaving Thatcher's creation called the single market, your logic and conspiracy theory just doesn't add up. As for your rant about the wealthy it's the corrupt and filthy rich neoliberals, bankers and multinationals who run the EU. All of big business, the banks, the main political parties (yes including the conservative party) campaigned for remain. It's the EU who want the rich to get richer while treading on the little people. |
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Centaur, I know you are not going to like this. but if you are correct about the EU being a puppet of the banks and multinationals what does that make UKIP (party you support)? Remember your hero Nige is a merchant banker. |
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By *oubepoMan
over a year ago
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"I certainly think it's possible, especially if Vince Cable can join arms with Eddie Izzard, David Beckham and Sir Bob Geldof. Together I believe they can orchestrate a military coup within the next 6 months
If the Boom Town Rats join in, I reckon Brexit could be completely overturned by the end of the year
Don't forget Bono"
I'd totally forgot about Bono! In that case it's 'game set and match!'
I'd strongly recommend Vince Cable stages his military coup on Tuesday and has it all wrapped up by Sunday -
Because of Sir Bob .... He "Don't Like Mondays" |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I certainly think it's possible, especially if Vince Cable can join arms with Eddie Izzard, David Beckham and Sir Bob Geldof. Together I believe they can orchestrate a military coup within the next 6 months
If the Boom Town Rats join in, I reckon Brexit could be completely overturned by the end of the year
Don't forget Bono
I'd totally forgot about Bono! In that case it's 'game set and match!'
I'd strongly recommend Vince Cable stages his military coup on Tuesday and has it all wrapped up by Sunday -
Because of Sir Bob .... He "Don't Like Mondays" "
Don't forget Gary Lineker, unless he is too busy counting the money from his BBC pay cheque! |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Centaur, I know you are not going to like this. but if you are correct about the EU being a puppet of the banks and multinationals what does that make UKIP (party you support)? Remember your hero Nige is a merchant banker."
Nigel Farage was actually a commodities trader, specialising in metals. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" All of big business, the banks, the main political parties (yes including the conservative party) campaigned for remain. It's the EU who want the rich to get richer while treading on the little people. "
The Tories were actually quite split on this, as they have been for as far back as I can remember. Whether it's the EU or the Tories that want to tread on the little people, I just want to ask: why not both? It would be a fallacy to suppose that because the EU is neoliberal, that Britain out of the EU is going to do the opposite. Sure, most big businesses will be worse off because of this, but they will find their way around it, push for less regulation like they have done already in the third world, and the British state, if it has the will to intervene in the economy, is gonna be faced with the threat of business moving abroad, where there's less regulation, lower taxes etc. The breakup of political entities doesn't mean that multinationals are going to follow suit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'd totally forgot about Bono! In that case it's 'game set and match!'
I'd strongly recommend Vince Cable stages his military coup on Tuesday and has it all wrapped up by Sunday" "
Maybe then they could chill with Craig David |
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
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"I certainly think it's possible, especially if Vince Cable can join arms with Eddie Izzard, David Beckham and Sir Bob Geldof. Together I believe they can orchestrate a military coup within the next 6 months
If the Boom Town Rats join in, I reckon Brexit could be completely overturned by the end of the year
Don't forget Bono
I'd totally forgot about Bono! In that case it's 'game set and match!'
I'd strongly recommend Vince Cable stages his military coup on Tuesday and has it all wrapped up by Sunday -
Because of Sir Bob .... He "Don't Like Mondays" "
Can we chuck J K Rowling in to the mix, 11 million followers should help too with their magic spells, lotions, potions and curses. |
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"Nigel Farage was actually a commodities trader, specialising in metals."
Right, first working for the Wall St investment (merchant) bankers Drexel Burnham Lambert.
Moving to the French merchant bank Crédit Lyonnais rouse.
After which he went to Refco the US commodities and futures brokers. Before finally moving to the French corporate and investment bank Natixis.
As I said Farage is the epitome of what Centaur claims is wrong with the UE (and the world) and the reason we need brexit. I think that the reality is quite the opposite and we will soon be finding out that what was wrong with the EU was us and that we (the UK) were the ones who gave the merchant bankers of the world (USA in reality) access to the EU and EU member states banks. And that further it is us who are responsible for the deregulation of financial markets across the EU.
but hey that's just my take on history. If I am right the EU will flourish without us and we will enter a steep decline. If your side is right the EU will collapse and we will regain the trading supremacy we used to have on which an empire was built... |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"He said there is a "significant possibility" it still wont happen, with all the twists and turns still ahead, what is your view of it? I agree with him "
Sadly he could be right,I hope he is wrong |
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"Nigel Farage was actually a commodities trader, specialising in metals.
Right, first working for the Wall St investment (merchant) bankers Drexel Burnham Lambert.
Moving to the French merchant bank Crédit Lyonnais rouse.
After which he went to Refco the US commodities and futures brokers. Before finally moving to the French corporate and investment bank Natixis.
As I said Farage is the epitome of what Centaur claims is wrong with the UE (and the world) and the reason we need brexit.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Barack Obama has just signed a back room oil deal that's made him millions.... Tony Blair has made hundreds of millions since leaving office, George Bush, David Cameron, bill Clinton, David Milliband,,...
The list of neo liberals enriching themselves while shafting working class voters is a long one.
So now we have a non neo liberal enriching himself in the Whitehouse and Nigel farage in the UK and somehow according to neo liberal supporters the world's going to hell in a handbag!!.
Karma is a fucker.
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"No, regardless of cost, regardless of how much damage it does to the economy, regardless of how many of our civil liberties we lose and regardless of how many of our treasured institutions we lose as a direct result of brexit, brexit will happen. And it will be the hardest possible brexit because it gives our authoritarian, fascist government an opportunity to dismantle the last vestiges of the welfare that was instituted in 1946 and managed to clear a near 300% of GDP national debt, rebuild a war torn country, rip down and replace the inner city slums with modern affordable social council owned housing removing the blot that was the slumlords in 30 years while improving health, living standards and life expectancy for all.
Of course the biggest joke of all is that while claiming that by making property ownership a distant dream for any but the wealth and providing the perfect conditions where Rachmanist slumlords can once again thrive that they are improving the future for our young. The fact that they have made the young take on an average of £50,000 of debt before they even start their working career to gain an education and have managed to reverse the direction the country is headed in with a lowering of living standards and a lowering of life expectancy puts the lie to all tory claims.
And they are not going to miss out on an opportunity to turn Britain into a small scale copy of India where the vast majority live in abject poverty so that the hyper wealthy scum can live like kings and build ever higher walls to hide their wealth from those they impoverish.
Look at the India and see what is in store for us. Brexit is going to accelerate the descent and May and her tories have their foot hard down on the throttle and are making sure that when we go over the cliff no one will throw us a lifeline. The truth is Davis and his CUNT's are not the incompetents we think bumbling around without a plan. They know exactly what they are doing. They are systematically sabotaging and destroying any and all ways to ameliorate the worst effects of brexit.
Of course brexit will happen and it is going to be painful for all but the top 1% who will o very nicely out of it thank you. "
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At the end of the day we had a vote and Leave won.
What next tell Arsenal that they didn't win the FA Cup and Chelsea got it instead!
The GB 4 x 100 relay team have to give their medals to the Jamaican team!
Might as well ignore any results in the future as some people just can't accept them! |
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"That's all he done bob was stir the shit pot he didn't come of question time with any cred at all most or the audience were of the mindset of we are leaving should pull tgether and get on with it "
The problem is we won't the country is divided near on 50/50 yes I agree we should pull together but it will never happen it's going to ge a mess let's be fair even the tories are split it's a mess and it's not going to go away
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"Surely if people felt so strongly about the referendum result the last election should have been won by the Lib-Dems the only party to say they want to stay in the EU.  "
Not true the greens are pro EU.I voted for them. |
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"Surely if people felt so strongly about the referendum result the last election should have been won by the Lib-Dems the only party to say they want to stay in the EU. "
I've heard it all now utter bollocks what a stupid quote |
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"Surely if people felt so strongly about the referendum result the last election should have been won by the Lib-Dems the only party to say they want to stay in the EU.
Not true the greens are pro EU.I voted for them. "
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"That's all he done bob was stir the shit pot he didn't come of question time with any cred at all most or the audience were of the mindset of we are leaving should pull tgether and get on with it "
How should we all pull togeather foxy? I hear this said often.What do brexiters want remainers to do.? |
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"Exactly why didn't they vote for the party that wants to stay in even idiots say in here they wouldn't meet a leave voter it's got beyond a joke we are leaving the EU not the planet life goes on "
I know, right?
Why are people so upset? It's only a massive upheaval that's being headed by people with no clue as to what they're doing.
Of course these irrational angry people can't even be calmed down by reminding them that "life goes on", or " we're all in this together", or "stop being so negative".
Don't they know that if you simply ignore problems, they go away?
So out of hand, I tell you. |
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bob this isn't the miners strike from the 80s leavers army scabs they avent stabbed anyone in the back avent shit on there mates or family it was just a simple vote we all got equall info lots of lies both sides it wasn't personal was a fucking vote ffs |
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"That's all he done bob was stir the shit pot he didn't come of question time with any cred at all most or the audience were of the mindset of we are leaving should pull tgether and get on with it
How should we all pull togeather foxy? I hear this said often.What do brexiters want remainers to do.?"
They want remainers to be quiet and not point out what an embarrassing shitshow this is for Britain. |
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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago
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"No, regardless of cost, regardless of how much damage it does to the economy, regardless of how many of our civil liberties we lose and regardless of how many of our treasured institutions we lose as a direct result of brexit, brexit will happen. And it will be the hardest possible brexit because it gives our authoritarian, fascist government an opportunity to dismantle the last vestiges of the welfare that was instituted in 1946 and managed to clear a near 300% of GDP national debt, rebuild a war torn country, rip down and replace the inner city slums with modern affordable social council owned housing removing the blot that was the slumlords in 30 years while improving health, living standards and life expectancy for all.
Of course the biggest joke of all is that while claiming that by making property ownership a distant dream for any but the wealth and providing the perfect conditions where Rachmanist slumlords can once again thrive that they are improving the future for our young. The fact that they have made the young take on an average of £50,000 of debt before they even start their working career to gain an education and have managed to reverse the direction the country is headed in with a lowering of living standards and a lowering of life expectancy puts the lie to all tory claims.
And they are not going to miss out on an opportunity to turn Britain into a small scale copy of India where the vast majority live in abject poverty so that the hyper wealthy scum can live like kings and build ever higher walls to hide their wealth from those they impoverish.
Look at the India and see what is in store for us. Brexit is going to accelerate the descent and May and her tories have their foot hard down on the throttle and are making sure that when we go over the cliff no one will throw us a lifeline. The truth is Davis and his CUNT's are not the incompetents we think bumbling around without a plan. They know exactly what they are doing. They are systematically sabotaging and destroying any and all ways to ameliorate the worst effects of brexit.
Of course brexit will happen and it is going to be painful for all but the top 1% who will o very nicely out of it thank you. "
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By *mmabluTV/TS
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"No, regardless of cost, regardless of how much damage it does to the economy, regardless of how many of our civil liberties we lose and regardless of how many of our treasured institutions we lose as a direct result of brexit, brexit will happen. And it will be the hardest possible brexit because it gives our authoritarian, fascist government an opportunity to dismantle the last vestiges of the welfare that was instituted in 1946 and managed to clear a near 300% of GDP national debt, rebuild a war torn country, rip down and replace the inner city slums with modern affordable social council owned housing removing the blot that was the slumlords in 30 years while improving health, living standards and life expectancy for all.
Of course the biggest joke of all is that while claiming that by making property ownership a distant dream for any but the wealth and providing the perfect conditions where Rachmanist slumlords can once again thrive that they are improving the future for our young. The fact that they have made the young take on an average of £50,000 of debt before they even start their working career to gain an education and have managed to reverse the direction the country is headed in with a lowering of living standards and a lowering of life expectancy puts the lie to all tory claims.
And they are not going to miss out on an opportunity to turn Britain into a small scale copy of India where the vast majority live in abject poverty so that the hyper wealthy scum can live like kings and build ever higher walls to hide their wealth from those they impoverish.
Look at the India and see what is in store for us. Brexit is going to accelerate the descent and May and her tories have their foot hard down on the throttle and are making sure that when we go over the cliff no one will throw us a lifeline. The truth is Davis and his CUNT's are not the incompetents we think bumbling around without a plan. They know exactly what they are doing. They are systematically sabotaging and destroying any and all ways to ameliorate the worst effects of brexit.
Of course brexit will happen and it is going to be painful for all but the top 1% who will o very nicely out of it thank you. "
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"He is winning lots of seats, vince to pm
You do know he's standing down?
And he has about the same chance as farage has of being Pm.. "
I know he is, but it would be fun if he did become one for a few years |
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Yeah but knowing lib-dem form....they'll probably change their minds and go for hard brexit once they get their arse on the hot seat. Tuition fees an' all that jazz |
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"He said there is a "significant possibility" it still wont happen, with all the twists and turns still ahead, what is your view of it? I agree with him "
It might not happen, unfortunately, many people who want us to leave are looking for a rumble. Scary! |
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over a year ago
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"He said there is a "significant possibility" it still wont happen, with all the twists and turns still ahead, what is your view of it? I agree with him "
I think there are two possibilities a no deal brexit or we dtay in.
I predict the farcical talks between Labour and Tory will callapse next week |
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"He said there is a "significant possibility" it still wont happen, with all the twists and turns still ahead, what is your view of it? I agree with him
It might not happen, unfortunately, many people who want us to leave are looking for a rumble. Scary!"
Yup you just know it!
If for some reason we did not leave there are quite a few fuckwits in this country who will start smashing things up 
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"He said there is a "significant possibility" it still wont happen, with all the twists and turns still ahead, what is your view of it? I agree with him I think there are two possibilities a no deal brexit or we dtay in.
I predict the farcical talks between Labour and Tory will callapse next week"
Those talks are finished, Corbyn should be trying to maneuver a GE, the Conservatives are in Canada territory now, and whatever hope they have with May, they have none without her!! |
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"It's still possible that we will remain.
With some luck, it would even mean that sleazy parasites like Farage and Robinson would diminish in their influence and prominence. "
Farage only wants to get elected mep so he can carry on embarrasing the UK and picking up his big check plus expences for doing it.
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The fault lies with David Cameron in the first instance in thinking a referendum was the answer to Ukips threat to the Tory vote. Well, how has that worked out for the Tories ?
David Cameron, classic case of privately educated, white-privilege claiming, over-promoted incompetent. There’s a lot of them in politics.... |
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"The fault lies with David Cameron in the first instance in thinking a referendum was the answer to Ukips threat to the Tory vote. Well, how has that worked out for the Tories ?
David Cameron, classic case of privately educated, white-privilege claiming, over-promoted incompetent. There’s a lot of them in politics...."
So true |
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"The fault lies with David Cameron in the first instance in thinking a referendum was the answer to Ukips threat to the Tory vote. Well, how has that worked out for the Tories ?
David Cameron, classic case of privately educated, white-privilege claiming, over-promoted incompetent. There’s a lot of them in politics...."
Yup he should have learned from the boaty Mc boat face incident that you just can’t trust the public to vote the way you think they will  |
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Add to the toxic mix that self-serving, loud-mouth, hypocrites and irritants like Farage and Johnson, neither of whom can pass up an opportunity for self-promotion and spending taxpayers money like it’s going out of fashion, and there you have it - Brexit, in all it’s pathetic idiocy.
Non-existent ferries, redundant water-cannon or fantasist garden bridge anyone ?
Brings me to tears thinking of Tory waste of public funds - if this was done in the private sector, there would be criminal charges at the very least
Anyone who ever votes Tory again is a masochist who likes getting fucked in the arse over and over again |
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One other undisputed fact
If Brexit does somehow materialise, and it might still given the agonising contortions going on and Labour’s abdication of leadership(ffs), you can all kiss the NHS goodbye
There are US pharma companies literally salivating at the prospect of the imminent demise of the NHS
Be careful what you wish for Brexiteers - there are cleverer, non UK people than you out there wanting Brexit - ask yourselves why |
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Hahah, very good point
Yeah but I meant by a Tory, or any politician atm .... just picture any of the current cabinet getting ready to get nasty with you
Enough to sending me running to the convent |
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"The fault lies with David Cameron in the first instance in thinking a referendum was the answer to Ukips threat to the Tory vote. Well, how has that worked out for the Tories ?
David Cameron, classic case of privately educated, white-privilege claiming, over-promoted incompetent. There’s a lot of them in politics...."
What's wrong with a privately educated, white privilege claiming, over-promoted incompetent? I totally identify with that. 
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With the turn out so low you can make no assumptions as to the overall mood of the nation with regards brexit. You could argue the numbers in either way (& using percentages to make numbers bigger or smaller is one that either side could use).
The truth is around 70% of the population didn't vote, and they could all be pro brexit or all pro remain but in reality will be somewhere inbetween. Every one of them will have a different reason for not voting in the local council elections and may or may not return for the Europeans or next general election |
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over a year ago
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"The Local Election results were a clear message that Brexit is not wanted, times have changed and what people want now is different from 2016. "
And local election results have naff all to do about Brexit and who said that Brexit is not wanted bar from a minority of remainers
And I said minority because that’s what remain was in the referendum the losing minority
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over a year ago
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"The Local Election results were a clear message that Brexit is not wanted, times have changed and what people want now is different from 2016.
And local election results have naff all to do about Brexit and who said that Brexit is not wanted bar from a minority of remainers
And I said minority because that’s what remain was in the referendum the losing minority
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I for one will laugh my ass off when we leave and the USA make the uk line up just like everyone else will because they know that the UK will be in a weak position with no real industry to speak of and only services which a lot of other countries can offer.
And the likes of Duncan Smith bojo jrm ect will still be able to afford thier lifestyle.
Not so much for a lot of the country who are on minimum wage while the price of food and goods start rising |
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As their dream of a BREXIT land of milk, honey and unicorns slowly but surely fades away to a nightmare where the milk is sour, what looked like honey turns out to be a rancid fat burger and the closet thing to a unicorn is a stubborn old mule, the BREXITERS just get more and more shouty and annoyed.
"BREXIT means BREXIT"
"Leave means Leave"
"It's not fair, we won"
Is all we've heard from them for 3 years
Well BREXIT and Leave mean May's deal or Remain, it's the BREXITERS that stoped the deal because, apparently Leave didn't mean Leave unless it's the 'no deal' Leave that all the Leave campaigners promised we wouldn't have. Where's the democracy in that?
As for who won & lost?
Leave won a referendum to Leave the EU on the promise that "we would get a better trade deal with the EU than we currently have because we would hold all the cards". Also over 80% of the people who voted in the last general election voted for parties that promised in their manifesto to leave the EU WITH A DEAL. But when a deal to Leave the EU was put before the BREXITERS they said "No, we don't care that this is what we promised in the referendum and what 80% of the electorate voted for at the last election, we now want to break our promise to the British people and Leave without a deal". Where's the democracy in that?
BREXITERS have been spiting their dummies out since long before we even new the turn BREXIT. They've been spiting dummies since they lost the first referendum in 1975, when they first set their cause against the people's interests and will, and they're continuing to spit their dummies out now because they cannot accept that if you offer the people one thing (Leaving the EU with a better deal than we have now) but them try to deliver them something else ('no deal' or a worse deal than we have now) the people aren't going to sit back and accept it. That's democracy.
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"Spitting there dummies out lol so what would you call this old rant then ? Same shit different day "
You would think the old duffer was past the dummy stage at his time of life but evidently not! Lol |
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"Spitting there dummies out lol so what would you call this old rant then ? Same shit different day
You would think the old duffer was past the dummy stage at his time of life but evidently not! Lol "
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"Spitting there dummies out lol so what would you call this old rant then ? Same shit different day "
I call it facing fantasy with truth, a difficult concept for Leavers to get their heads around I know.
First the Leavers dismissed the truth as "Project Fear", then they tried to dismiss it as moaning and now they try to dismiss it ranting. But what they never do or have done is address the issues raised. And that's why BREXIT is slowly but surely being rejected by the people. BREXITE RS - Classic example of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. PMSFL.
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"Spitting there dummies out lol so what would you call this old rant then ? Same shit different day
I call it facing fantasy with truth, a difficult concept for Leavers to get their heads around I know.
First the Leavers dismissed the truth as "Project Fear", then they tried to dismiss it as moaning and now they try to dismiss it ranting. But what they never do or have done is address the issues raised. And that's why BREXIT is slowly but surely being rejected by the people. BREXITE RS - Classic example of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. PMSFL.
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You are the one who is unable to accept the truth, nearly 3 years later you can't accept more people voted to leave. You try to use the result of a low turnout local election as some kind of measure of opinion on Brexit, the result may be the catalyst to finally get the result of the referendum delivered now the main parties have had a kicking! Now that would be funny! |
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"As their dream of a BREXIT land of milk, honey and unicorns slowly but surely fades away to a nightmare where the milk is sour, what looked like honey turns out to be a rancid fat burger and the closet thing to a unicorn is a stubborn old mule, the BREXITERS just get more and more shouty and annoyed.
"BREXIT means BREXIT"
"Leave means Leave"
"It's not fair, we won"
Is all we've heard from them for 3 years
Well BREXIT and Leave mean May's deal or Remain, it's the BREXITERS that stoped the deal because, apparently Leave didn't mean Leave unless it's the 'no deal' Leave that all the Leave campaigners promised we wouldn't have. Where's the democracy in that?
As for who won & lost?
Leave won a referendum to Leave the EU on the promise that "we would get a better trade deal with the EU than we currently have because we would hold all the cards". Also over 80% of the people who voted in the last general election voted for parties that promised in their manifesto to leave the EU WITH A DEAL. But when a deal to Leave the EU was put before the BREXITERS they said "No, we don't care that this is what we promised in the referendum and what 80% of the electorate voted for at the last election, we now want to break our promise to the British people and Leave without a deal". Where's the democracy in that?
BREXITERS have been spiting their dummies out since long before we even new the turn BREXIT. They've been spiting dummies since they lost the first referendum in 1975, when they first set their cause against the people's interests and will, and they're continuing to spit their dummies out now because they cannot accept that if you offer the people one thing (Leaving the EU with a better deal than we have now) but them try to deliver them something else ('no deal' or a worse deal than we have now) the people aren't going to sit back and accept it. That's democracy.
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Surely everyone who voted in 1975 is long dead after all remainers argue most leave voters from 2016 have been dropping like flies! |
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"As their dream of a BREXIT land of milk, honey and unicorns slowly but surely fades away to a nightmare where the milk is sour, what looked like honey turns out to be a rancid fat burger and the closet thing to a unicorn is a stubborn old mule, the BREXITERS just get more and more shouty and annoyed.
"BREXIT means BREXIT"
"Leave means Leave"
"It's not fair, we won"
Is all we've heard from them for 3 years
Well BREXIT and Leave mean May's deal or Remain, it's the BREXITERS that stoped the deal because, apparently Leave didn't mean Leave unless it's the 'no deal' Leave that all the Leave campaigners promised we wouldn't have. Where's the democracy in that?
As for who won & lost?
Leave won a referendum to Leave the EU on the promise that "we would get a better trade deal with the EU than we currently have because we would hold all the cards". Also over 80% of the people who voted in the last general election voted for parties that promised in their manifesto to leave the EU WITH A DEAL. But when a deal to Leave the EU was put before the BREXITERS they said "No, we don't care that this is what we promised in the referendum and what 80% of the electorate voted for at the last election, we now want to break our promise to the British people and Leave without a deal". Where's the democracy in that?
BREXITERS have been spiting their dummies out since long before we even new the turn BREXIT. They've been spiting dummies since they lost the first referendum in 1975, when they first set their cause against the people's interests and will, and they're continuing to spit their dummies out now because they cannot accept that if you offer the people one thing (Leaving the EU with a better deal than we have now) but them try to deliver them something else ('no deal' or a worse deal than we have now) the people aren't going to sit back and accept it. That's democracy.
Surely everyone who voted in 1975 is long dead after all remainers argue most leave voters from 2016 have been dropping like flies!"
Well..
There's two on here who go on (and on)  And certainly one claims to have voted in 74..
Mind you they have an obsession with people spitting dummies out so it could be they're confused in their latter years or some sort of infantile comfort regression..?
The other just wants to spit on people..
So they are still with us..
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"Spitting there dummies out lol so what would you call this old rant then ? Same shit different day
I call it facing fantasy with truth, a difficult concept for Leavers to get their heads around I know.
First the Leavers dismissed the truth as "Project Fear", then they tried to dismiss it as moaning and now they try to dismiss it ranting. But what they never do or have done is address the issues raised. And that's why BREXIT is slowly but surely being rejected by the people. BREXITE RS - Classic example of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. PMSFL.
You are the one who is unable to accept the truth, nearly 3 years later you can't accept more people voted to leave. You try to use the result of a low turnout local election as some kind of measure of opinion on Brexit, the result may be the catalyst to finally get the result of the referendum delivered now the main parties have had a kicking! Now that would be funny! "
I don't think it would be particularly funny either way, it would perhaps be some what ironic.
As for the truth and accepting it, I think it's you and fellow BREXITERS who have the bigger problem there.
I clearly stated that Leave won the referendum so I clearly have no problem accepting that truth. However BREXITERS do seem to have a real problem accepting that what is actually being delivered (a deal worse than the deal we currently have or no deal) is not what was promised during that referendum (a deal better than we currently have) and, as such, does not fulfill the mandate derived from.
As for the truth about these local elections it's a simple, straight forward fact that, in these elections, there has been a massive swing from Leave parties (Conservative, Labour & UKIP) to Remain parties (LibDem and Greens). To deny that fact is simply to deny reality. However, whilst the swing is real and, from my point of view, hopeful, it's definitely not definitive. As I wrote in one of the other threads on here yesterday, there really was no real or viable choice in these local elections for Leave voters who were unhappy with the handling of BREXIT by the Conservative government or the Labour opposition where as the was for dissatisfied Remain voters. A far better test of the current will of the people will be in the Euro Elections on 23 May, and with the BREXIT Party currently polling at about 30% I'm not kidding myself that Remain has fully won the argument yet.
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"Spitting there dummies out lol so what would you call this old rant then ? Same shit different day
I call it facing fantasy with truth, a difficult concept for Leavers to get their heads around I know.
First the Leavers dismissed the truth as "Project Fear", then they tried to dismiss it as moaning and now they try to dismiss it ranting. But what they never do or have done is address the issues raised. And that's why BREXIT is slowly but surely being rejected by the people. BREXITE RS - Classic example of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. PMSFL.
You are the one who is unable to accept the truth, nearly 3 years later you can't accept more people voted to leave. You try to use the result of a low turnout local election as some kind of measure of opinion on Brexit, the result may be the catalyst to finally get the result of the referendum delivered now the main parties have had a kicking! Now that would be funny!
I don't think it would be particularly funny either way, it would perhaps be some what ironic.
As for the truth and accepting it, I think it's you and fellow BREXITERS who have the bigger problem there.
I clearly stated that Leave won the referendum so I clearly have no problem accepting that truth. However BREXITERS do seem to have a real problem accepting that what is actually being delivered (a deal worse than the deal we currently have or no deal) is not what was promised during that referendum (a deal better than we currently have) and, as such, does not fulfill the mandate derived from.
As for the truth about these local elections it's a simple, straight forward fact that, in these elections, there has been a massive swing from Leave parties (Conservative, Labour & UKIP) to Remain parties (LibDem and Greens). To deny that fact is simply to deny reality. However, whilst the swing is real and, from my point of view, hopeful, it's definitely not definitive. As I wrote in one of the other threads on here yesterday, there really was no real or viable choice in these local elections for Leave voters who were unhappy with the handling of BREXIT by the Conservative government or the Labour opposition where as the was for dissatisfied Remain voters. A far better test of the current will of the people will be in the Euro Elections on 23 May, and with the BREXIT Party currently polling at about 30% I'm not kidding myself that Remain has fully won the argument yet.
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Leave also means Leave"
Brexit means Brexit but nothing means anything until we're all given what the shower in Westminster decides to give us. |
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"With the turn out so low you can make no assumptions as to the overall mood of the nation with regards brexit. You could argue the numbers in either way (& using percentages to make numbers bigger or smaller is one that either side could use).
The truth is around 70% of the population didn't vote, and they could all be pro brexit or all pro remain but in reality will be somewhere inbetween. Every one of them will have a different reason for not voting in the local council elections and may or may not return for the Europeans or next general election "
Almost like the Referendum then, only a minority actually voted for Brexit... |
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"With the turn out so low you can make no assumptions as to the overall mood of the nation with regards brexit. You could argue the numbers in either way (& using percentages to make numbers bigger or smaller is one that either side could use).
The truth is around 70% of the population didn't vote, and they could all be pro brexit or all pro remain but in reality will be somewhere inbetween. Every one of them will have a different reason for not voting in the local council elections and may or may not return for the Europeans or next general election
Almost like the Referendum then, only a minority actually voted for Brexit... "
And an even smaller minority actually voted remain then |
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