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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Sarah Champion. (Forced to?) resign from shadow cabinet after her article saying the UK has a problem with Pakistani men abusing white girls.
Are we so over sensitive that we cannot debate problems openly? |
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"Sarah Champion. (Forced to?) resign from shadow cabinet after her article saying the UK has a problem with Pakistani men abusing white girls.
Are we so over sensitive that we cannot debate problems openly?"
But they weren't Pakistani ...they were Asian...and she wasn't forced to resign....and she's issued an apology for using the wrong words  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"ffs they are mostly British born Pakistani or Pakistani born even the Asian community accept they have a problem we're have you been the moon "
There not all Pakistanis...you asked me if i ever read about it...have you ?  |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Sarah Champion. (Forced to?) resign from shadow cabinet after her article saying the UK has a problem with Pakistani men abusing white girls.
Are we so over sensitive that we cannot debate problems openly?
But they weren't Pakistani ...they were Asian...and she wasn't forced to resign....and she's issued an apology for using the wrong words "
And resigned |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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Here is the link to the article she wrote:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4218648/british-pakistani-men-raping-exploiting-white-girls/
Do you think that she is right, or is she part of the problem? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Of corse she is right she is only stating a fact more ppl
Need to grow some balls and AV the conversation "
I don't think your wrong about having the conversation...but its about having the right type of conversation |
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I saw the last forum ... and all I kept seeing was Asian , Muslim , can't tell the difference between a Indian or a Pakistani also you can tell by thier names !! I mean I understand thier is a problem the same as in any other country or communities and I understand thier is anger but hey all this stuff is almost borderline racism . I feel we have gone backwards in race relations and I blame both sides so much hate yes unfortunately some Muslims have a old school mentality but so do some Christian's so do Jewish in fact thiers good and bad in all . I have heard some fantastic story's of people of all faiths but unfortunately minority's of people from colours and faiths cause a problem -unfortunately it's highlighted more when people of colour do it . Now to tackle the problem straight 20 years minimum , yes highlight it if it's from a certain community but also highlight all grooming gangs with the elite rich which is all hidden ! Media will keep you busy with what they want you to focus on and rightly so but taking the focus of others who I will say are grooming from all sections of communities!
And if any of those girls were my daughters regardless of who it was the guilty wouldn't want me to get my hands on them .
On a personal level Anyone with a hint of racism can gladly block us we ain't got time for old colony mentalitys .
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Clcc of corse you dint you just ask questions all over the forum yes I agree with her she spoke her mind it's about bloody time aswell "
You agree with more resources for police and the judiciary, more support for schools, a task force of experts to look at the problem, more support for professionals, better support for victims and an awareness campaign? And you also agree with her that the situation has been made worse by cuts to police, to education, to social workers, to courts and to the CPS?
Well I must say I'm very surprised, because when I said these things on the last thread, I was told I was wrong, that those measures wouldn't help and that that kind of thinking was part of the problem. I'm gald that you have now re-evaluated your position and have come to agree with me. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Yes we need more of every thing and we need to have the grown up conversation about the Asian grooming gangs but cuts to services don't make men pray on girls _lcc "
But you said you agreed with champion. I posted a link direct to the article, checked with you twice, and twice you confirmed you agreed with it. However when I point out that I had made the same arguments as Champion, you suddenly seem to be disagreeing with them. Why is that? |
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"I saw the last forum ... and all I kept seeing was Asian , Muslim , can't tell the difference between a Indian or a Pakistani also you can tell by thier names !! I mean I understand thier is a problem the same as in any other country or communities and I understand thier is anger but hey all this stuff is almost borderline racism . I feel we have gone backwards in race relations and I blame both sides so much hate yes unfortunately some Muslims have a old school mentality but so do some Christian's so do Jewish in fact thiers good and bad in all . I have heard some fantastic story's of people of all faiths but unfortunately minority's of people from colours and faiths cause a problem -unfortunately it's highlighted more when people of colour do it . Now to tackle the problem straight 20 years minimum , yes highlight it if it's from a certain community but also highlight all grooming gangs with the elite rich which is all hidden ! Media will keep you busy with what they want you to focus on and rightly so but taking the focus of others who I will say are grooming from all sections of communities!
And if any of those girls were my daughters regardless of who it was the guilty wouldn't want me to get my hands on them .
On a personal level Anyone with a hint of racism can gladly block us we ain't got time for old colony mentalitys .
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Well said. Operation Yewtree or Hydrant anyone? |
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I agree with her when she said we need to have a grown up conversation ffs wach newsnigjt on bbc2 it's just been on about it and pls _lcc get a grip stop nit picking all you do is as questions every one on here pulls you for it play the game mate |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"I agree with her when she said we need to have a grown up conversation ffs wach newsnigjt on bbc2 it's just been on about it and pls _lcc get a grip stop nit picking all you do is as questions every one on here pulls you for it play the game mate "
I just find it strange that you have now done not just a 180, but a full 360 on the issues. |
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By *oubepoMan
over a year ago
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"Sarah Champion. (Forced to?) resign from shadow cabinet after her article saying the UK has a problem with Pakistani men abusing white girls.
Are we so over sensitive that we cannot debate problems openly?
But they weren't Pakistani ...they were Asian...and she wasn't forced to resign....and she's issued an apology for using the wrong words "
They were 90 % Pakistani and Bengali - so describing this pedophile gang as Asian is wide of the mark as Asia includes China and Malaya etc - So your remark is a racist insult and slur to the rest of Asia
Based on your racist logic - When your English football hooligans break up cities abroad - I suppose you call those English hooligans European? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Sarah Champion. (Forced to?) resign from shadow cabinet after her article saying the UK has a problem with Pakistani men abusing white girls.
Are we so over sensitive that we cannot debate problems openly?
But they weren't Pakistani ...they were Asian...and she wasn't forced to resign....and she's issued an apology for using the wrong words
They were 90 % Pakistani and Bengali - so describing this pedophile gang as Asian is wide of the mark as Asia includes China and Malaya etc - So your remark is a racist insult and slur to the rest of Asia
Based on your racist logic - When your English football hooligans break up cities abroad - I suppose you call those English hooligans European? "
Indeed and its also a slur to say they were Pakistani as well when they weren't.and they are asian no matter how many countries there are ...just like there's Europeans etc etc
And you really think im racist wow im speechless tbh
Come out of the 70s and 80s please...football hooliganism died a longtime ago....people carrying the flag of ST George hasn't..
I call them hooligans and idiots and im not getting your logic if im honest your post makes very little sense
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"Sarah Champion. (Forced to?) resign from shadow cabinet after her article saying the UK has a problem with Pakistani men abusing white girls.
Are we so over sensitive that we cannot debate problems openly?"
I think the problem is with the Labour party, it's far too politically correct for its own good. She faced lots of criticism from within her own party for what she said, I've no doubt she has been pressured into resigning. Rather than walking I think she was pushed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Sarah Champion. (Forced to?) resign from shadow cabinet after her article saying the UK has a problem with Pakistani men abusing white girls.
Are we so over sensitive that we cannot debate problems openly?
I think the problem is with the Labour party, it's far too politically correct for its own good. She faced lots of criticism from within her own party for what she said, I've no doubt she has been pressured into resigning. Rather than walking I think she was pushed. "
Yes she did for a very good reason....she apologised for her words and resigned...but your true colours have shown through all these debates i think a lot of forumites know where you stand with all this...as the saying goes..."got your number"  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Twenty or so towns and cities in England affected by grooming gangs over the past twenty years
These gangs are in the main Asian Pakistani muslims
Well over 200 convictions
Thousands of mainly white school girls ,sexually , mentally and physically abused
Yet the people pointing out these crimes and the fact there is a problem with certain communities that have a disregard for white girls in Britain are branded racist unbelievable !
Maybe not bringing your politics into the debate
Not bringing up comparisons that bear no relation to these crimes other than a relationship of sexual abuse/assault , under totally different circumstances
Maybe ,though I very much doubt it , we may protect these children
All children are vulnerable, yes some more than others , not for the first time have been let down by individuals and the establishment.
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By *oubepoMan
over a year ago
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"Sarah Champion. (Forced to?) resign from shadow cabinet after her article saying the UK has a problem with Pakistani men abusing white girls.
Are we so over sensitive that we cannot debate problems openly?
But they weren't Pakistani ...they were Asian...and she wasn't forced to resign....and she's issued an apology for using the wrong words
They were 90 % Pakistani and Bengali - so describing this pedophile gang as Asian is wide of the mark as Asia includes China and Malaya etc - So your remark is a racist insult and slur to the rest of Asia
Based on your racist logic - When your English football hooligans break up cities abroad - I suppose you call those English hooligans European?
Indeed and its also a slur to say they were Pakistani as well when they weren't.and they are asian no matter how many countries there are ...just like there's Europeans etc etc
And you really think im racist wow im speechless tbh
Come out of the 70s and 80s please...football hooliganism died a longtime ago....people carrying the flag of ST George hasn't..
I call them hooligans and idiots and im not getting your logic if im honest your post makes very little sense
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Ahh! So football hooliganism died in the 1970's!! Did it?
The violence during the Euro Championship in 2016 in Portugal was obviously a figment of my imagination then?
In every case, in all your major cities the perpetrators are largely from a Pakistani, Bengali background
Believe me - calling them Asian is offensive to other Asian communities who are not involved in this whatsoever
It's a bit like saying Europeans were responsible for the holocaust or Africans were responsible for the Rwandan genocide
Trying to play the politically correct card has backfired on you on this occasion and is offensive to all the other 46 nationalities of Asia |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"Twenty or so towns and cities in England affected by grooming gangs over the past twenty years
These gangs are in the main Asian Pakistani muslims
Well over 200 convictions
Thousands of mainly white school girls ,sexually , mentally and physically abused
Yet the people pointing out these crimes and the fact there is a problem with certain communities that have a disregard for white girls in Britain are branded racist unbelievable !
Maybe not bringing your politics into the debate
Not bringing up comparisons that bear no relation to these crimes other than a relationship of sexual abuse/assault , under totally different circumstances
Maybe ,though I very much doubt it , we may protect these children
All children are vulnerable, yes some more than others , not for the first time have been let down by individuals and the establishment.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Here is the link to the article she wrote:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4218648/british-pakistani-men-raping-exploiting-white-girls/
Do you think that she is right, or is she part of the problem? "
She's right and s victim of PC which i think has helped these criminals.
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Here is the link to the article she wrote:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4218648/british-pakistani-men-raping-exploiting-white-girls/
Do you think that she is right, or is she part of the problem?
She's right and s victim of PC which i think has helped these criminals.
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The Labour Party has learned nothing from Keighley and Ann Cryer. |
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"Twenty or so towns and cities in England affected by grooming gangs over the past twenty years
These gangs are in the main Asian Pakistani muslims
Well over 200 convictions
Thousands of mainly white school girls ,sexually , mentally and physically abused
Yet the people pointing out these crimes and the fact there is a problem with certain communities that have a disregard for white girls in Britain are branded racist unbelievable !
Maybe not bringing your politics into the debate
Not bringing up comparisons that bear no relation to these crimes other than a relationship of sexual abuse/assault , under totally different circumstances
Maybe ,though I very much doubt it , we may protect these children
All children are vulnerable, yes some more than others , not for the first time have been let down by individuals and the establishment.
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thank god someone who talks sence on here well said |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Here is the link to the article she wrote:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4218648/british-pakistani-men-raping-exploiting-white-girls/
Do you think that she is right, or is she part of the problem? "
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I think she just realised that you can't say anything about Pakistani men and cultural problems of liking young girls unless you word everything very very carefully... Coz some Snowflake will go into hyperventilation over anything  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Sarah Champion. (Forced to?) resign from shadow cabinet after her article saying the UK has a problem with Pakistani men abusing white girls.
Are we so over sensitive that we cannot debate problems openly?
But they weren't Pakistani ...they were Asian...and she wasn't forced to resign....and she's issued an apology for using the wrong words
They were 90 % Pakistani and Bengali - so describing this pedophile gang as Asian is wide of the mark as Asia includes China and Malaya etc - So your remark is a racist insult and slur to the rest of Asia
Based on your racist logic - When your English football hooligans break up cities abroad - I suppose you call those English hooligans European?
Indeed and its also a slur to say they were Pakistani as well when they weren't.and they are asian no matter how many countries there are ...just like there's Europeans etc etc
And you really think im racist wow im speechless tbh
Come out of the 70s and 80s please...football hooliganism died a longtime ago....people carrying the flag of ST George hasn't..
I call them hooligans and idiots and im not getting your logic if im honest your post makes very little sense
Ahh! So football hooliganism died in the 1970's!! Did it?
The violence during the Euro Championship in 2016 in Portugal was obviously a figment of my imagination then?
In every case, in all your major cities the perpetrators are largely from a Pakistani, Bengali background
Believe me - calling them Asian is offensive to other Asian communities who are not involved in this whatsoever
It's a bit like saying Europeans were responsible for the holocaust or Africans were responsible for the Rwandan genocide
Trying to play the politically correct card has backfired on you on this occasion and is offensive to all the other 46 nationalities of Asia "
Nah it hasnt because you know why its the correct term...i'm thinking maybe your google translate is failing you you a little or because your european?...but the main reason i posted that they were ASIAN is because someone posted that they were all Pakistanis...which is not the truth they were mainly British born ASIANS from various Asians countries...there was even in this case an English white girl...and maybe she was just the tip of the iceberg and there could be more to come with this episode
This is taken from the Collins dictionary....
1. adjective
Asian means belonging to or relating to Asia. British people use this term especially to refer to India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. Americans use this term especially to refer to China, Korea, Thailand, Japan, or Vietnam.
2.countable noun
An Asian is a person who comes from or is associated with a country or region in Asia.
I'm still lost at why you seem to find the need to like a group of pedofiles with football hooligans ....im going to say this now i think football hooliganism is dead and has been since the 70s and 80s on a large scale...i believe europe has more problem NOW with this type of behaviour...as proven by the bans UEFA have issued there's been bans for teams all over europe from Turkey...France etc etc.
Yes English fans were involved in violence in 2016 with one set of supporters namely russian....but your slurring and tarring every english fan that travels abroad ....the same as your slurring every Pakistani man.
As for the holocaust the Germans did not act alone...THEY did have help from some European countries mainly the ones in the East...you know the ones were they used to draw the camp guards from
This makes not sense at all either
Africans were responsible for the Rwandan genocide
Im not sure what point you are trying to make but living on the continent of Africa makes you African
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It's an absolute disgrace she's been forced out. The attitude of the politicians that were part of the problem in her home town of Rotherham, where the problem first emerged seem to have learned nothing. The concept of what she has said goes against their ethos, so she has been driven out.
So sad that someone who has worked to stop the problems re-occuring, and help the victims, has been silenced for saying the words forbidden by her party. |
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"It's an absolute disgrace she's been forced out. The attitude of the politicians that were part of the problem in her home town of Rotherham, where the problem first emerged seem to have learned nothing. The concept of what she has said goes against their ethos, so she has been driven out.
So sad that someone who has worked to stop the problems re-occuring, and help the victims, has been silenced for saying the words forbidden by her party."
I agree...but she wasnt forced to resign... she resigned because of her choice of words she used...and tbh i dont think many people would not disagree with her ....but she has also said that The Scum have distorted her comments |
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"It's an absolute disgrace she's been forced out. The attitude of the politicians that were part of the problem in her home town of Rotherham, where the problem first emerged seem to have learned nothing. The concept of what she has said goes against their ethos, so she has been driven out.
So sad that someone who has worked to stop the problems re-occuring, and help the victims, has been silenced for saying the words forbidden by her party.
I agree...but she wasnt forced to resign... she resigned because of her choice of words she used...and tbh i dont think many people would not disagree with her ....but she has also said that The Scum have distorted her comments "
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Not quite, she was one of Jeremys dissenters!!.
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"Sarah Champion. (Forced to?) resign from shadow cabinet after her article saying the UK has a problem with Pakistani men abusing white girls.
Are we so over sensitive that we cannot debate problems openly?
But they weren't Pakistani ...they were Asian...and she wasn't forced to resign....and she's issued an apology for using the wrong words
They were 90 % Pakistani and Bengali - so describing this pedophile gang as Asian is wide of the mark as Asia includes China and Malaya etc - So your remark is a racist insult and slur to the rest of Asia
Based on your racist logic - When your English football hooligans break up cities abroad - I suppose you call those English hooligans European?
Indeed and its also a slur to say they were Pakistani as well when they weren't.and they are asian no matter how many countries there are ...just like there's Europeans etc etc
And you really think im racist wow im speechless tbh
Come out of the 70s and 80s please...football hooliganism died a longtime ago....people carrying the flag of ST George hasn't..
I call them hooligans and idiots and im not getting your logic if im honest your post makes very little sense
Ahh! So football hooliganism died in the 1970's!! Did it?
The violence during the Euro Championship in 2016 in Portugal was obviously a figment of my imagination then?
In every case, in all your major cities the perpetrators are largely from a Pakistani, Bengali background
Believe me - calling them Asian is offensive to other Asian communities who are not involved in this whatsoever
It's a bit like saying Europeans were responsible for the holocaust or Africans were responsible for the Rwandan genocide
Trying to play the politically correct card has backfired on you on this occasion and is offensive to all the other 46 nationalities of Asia
Nah it hasnt because you know why its the correct term...i'm thinking maybe your google translate is failing you you a little or because your european?...but the main reason i posted that they were ASIAN is because someone posted that they were all Pakistanis...which is not the truth they were mainly British born ASIANS from various Asians countries...there was even in this case an English white girl...and maybe she was just the tip of the iceberg and there could be more to come with this episode
This is taken from the Collins dictionary....
1. adjective
Asian means belonging to or relating to Asia. British people use this term especially to refer to India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. Americans use this term especially to refer to China, Korea, Thailand, Japan, or Vietnam.
2.countable noun
An Asian is a person who comes from or is associated with a country or region in Asia.
I'm still lost at why you seem to find the need to like a group of pedofiles with football hooligans ....im going to say this now i think football hooliganism is dead and has been since the 70s and 80s on a large scale...i believe europe has more problem NOW with this type of behaviour...as proven by the bans UEFA have issued there's been bans for teams all over europe from Turkey...France etc etc.
Yes English fans were involved in violence in 2016 with one set of supporters namely russian....but your slurring and tarring every english fan that travels abroad ....the same as your slurring every Pakistani man.
As for the holocaust the Germans did not act alone...THEY did have help from some European countries mainly the ones in the East...you know the ones were they used to draw the camp guards from
This makes not sense at all either
Africans were responsible for the Rwandan genocide
Im not sure what point you are trying to make but living on the continent of Africa makes you African
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olderseekingyounger, thanks for the petty geography & history lesson! However you don't get full marks.
I think Boupebo's grasp of the English language is perfectly acceptable. In fact his grammar and spelling is better than yours so maybe you need to start using Google Translate from english to English?
You have gone to great lengths to point out that it should be Asian men and not Pakistani and Bengali men yet you single out France and Turkey when referring to European football clubs.
If you really want to get petty then Turkey straddles Europe and Asia so clubs from Turkey are not European football teams, they are Eurasian.
Using your logic, we should now say European's were responsible for the Holocaust, slurring and tarring every European instead of saying Nazi Germany was responsible. Or is this not politically correct for you?
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"It's an absolute disgrace she's been forced out. The attitude of the politicians that were part of the problem in her home town of Rotherham, where the problem first emerged seem to have learned nothing. The concept of what she has said goes against their ethos, so she has been driven out.
So sad that someone who has worked to stop the problems re-occuring, and help the victims, has been silenced for saying the words forbidden by her party.
I agree...but she wasnt forced to resign... she resigned because of her choice of words she used...and tbh i dont think many people would not disagree with her ....but she has also said that The Scum have distorted her comments "
And now the fear of saying anything that can be twisted to be racist continues.
That's part of the reason the problem wasn't stopped in Rotherham and other places. Staff were afraid to highlight that the majority of perpetrators were of Pakistani heritage.
If someone said most Asians were abusers, then they should be dealt with strongly. But that doesnt make it wrong to say there is a problem with predominantly Pakistani heritage gangs.
These issues were all discussed and accepted in the Public enquiry following the Rotherham disaster. It seems these points havnt been taken in by the Labour leadership.
A sad day for vulnerable children already affected and those still in danger. |
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"Sarah Champion. (Forced to?) resign from shadow cabinet after her article saying the UK has a problem with Pakistani men abusing white girls.
Are we so over sensitive that we cannot debate problems openly?
But they weren't Pakistani ...they were Asian...and she wasn't forced to resign....and she's issued an apology for using the wrong words
They were 90 % Pakistani and Bengali - so describing this pedophile gang as Asian is wide of the mark as Asia includes China and Malaya etc - So your remark is a racist insult and slur to the rest of Asia
Based on your racist logic - When your English football hooligans break up cities abroad - I suppose you call those English hooligans European?
Indeed and its also a slur to say they were Pakistani as well when they weren't.and they are asian no matter how many countries there are ...just like there's Europeans etc etc
And you really think im racist wow im speechless tbh
Come out of the 70s and 80s please...football hooliganism died a longtime ago....people carrying the flag of ST George hasn't..
I call them hooligans and idiots and im not getting your logic if im honest your post makes very little sense
Ahh! So football hooliganism died in the 1970's!! Did it?
The violence during the Euro Championship in 2016 in Portugal was obviously a figment of my imagination then?
In every case, in all your major cities the perpetrators are largely from a Pakistani, Bengali background
Believe me - calling them Asian is offensive to other Asian communities who are not involved in this whatsoever
It's a bit like saying Europeans were responsible for the holocaust or Africans were responsible for the Rwandan genocide
Trying to play the politically correct card has backfired on you on this occasion and is offensive to all the other 46 nationalities of Asia
Nah it hasnt because you know why its the correct term...i'm thinking maybe your google translate is failing you you a little or because your european?...but the main reason i posted that they were ASIAN is because someone posted that they were all Pakistanis...which is not the truth they were mainly British born ASIANS from various Asians countries...there was even in this case an English white girl...and maybe she was just the tip of the iceberg and there could be more to come with this episode
This is taken from the Collins dictionary....
1. adjective
Asian means belonging to or relating to Asia. British people use this term especially to refer to India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. Americans use this term especially to refer to China, Korea, Thailand, Japan, or Vietnam.
2.countable noun
An Asian is a person who comes from or is associated with a country or region in Asia.
I'm still lost at why you seem to find the need to like a group of pedofiles with football hooligans ....im going to say this now i think football hooliganism is dead and has been since the 70s and 80s on a large scale...i believe europe has more problem NOW with this type of behaviour...as proven by the bans UEFA have issued there's been bans for teams all over europe from Turkey...France etc etc.
Yes English fans were involved in violence in 2016 with one set of supporters namely russian....but your slurring and tarring every english fan that travels abroad ....the same as your slurring every Pakistani man.
As for the holocaust the Germans did not act alone...THEY did have help from some European countries mainly the ones in the East...you know the ones were they used to draw the camp guards from
This makes not sense at all either
Africans were responsible for the Rwandan genocide
Im not sure what point you are trying to make but living on the continent of Africa makes you African
olderseekingyounger, thanks for the petty geography & history lesson! However you don't get full marks.
I think Boupebo's grasp of the English language is perfectly acceptable. In fact his grammar and spelling is better than yours so maybe you need to start using Google Translate from english to English?
You have gone to great lengths to point out that it should be Asian men and not Pakistani and Bengali men yet you single out France and Turkey when referring to European football clubs.
If you really want to get petty then Turkey straddles Europe and Asia so clubs from Turkey are not European football teams, they are Eurasian.
Using your logic, we should now say European's were responsible for the Holocaust, slurring and tarring every European instead of saying Nazi Germany was responsible. Or is this not politically correct for you?
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You along with Boupebo have totally missed the point as he has....ok i'll say this ONCE more.....the reason i SAID they were ASIAN men and not Pakistanis...is BECAUSE they came from VARIOUS asian countries.
And the quotes were from the Collins dictionary...
So then by your logic im taking Turkey dosent participate in anything European football wise ...
Also its a fact Germany did not act alone in the holocaust...i was answering his silly analogy...and yes your right we shouldn't blame all Europeans...the same as we shouldnt blame ALL English or even football fans for hooliganism ...im not saying we should ...im just pointing out the blindingly obvious to someone who clearly knows very little and it.
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"It's an absolute disgrace she's been forced out. The attitude of the politicians that were part of the problem in her home town of Rotherham, where the problem first emerged seem to have learned nothing. The concept of what she has said goes against their ethos, so she has been driven out.
So sad that someone who has worked to stop the problems re-occuring, and help the victims, has been silenced for saying the words forbidden by her party.
I agree...but she wasnt forced to resign... she resigned because of her choice of words she used...and tbh i dont think many people would not disagree with her ....but she has also said that The Scum have distorted her comments
And now the fear of saying anything that can be twisted to be racist continues.
That's part of the reason the problem wasn't stopped in Rotherham and other places. Staff were afraid to highlight that the majority of perpetrators were of Pakistani heritage.
If someone said most Asians were abusers, then they should be dealt with strongly. But that doesnt make it wrong to say there is a problem with predominantly Pakistani heritage gangs.
These issues were all discussed and accepted in the Public enquiry following the Rotherham disaster. It seems these points havnt been taken in by the Labour leadership.
A sad day for vulnerable children already affected and those still in danger."
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"Its rude to point out the elephant in the room."
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20 cities over 20 years 250 convictions ... Probably tens of thousands of victims, 99.9% of them white.
Up until about 4 years ago the perps we're 99.9 % Pakistani and Bangladeshi and mostly born in the UK.
Now we see Iranians, Iraqis, Afghans, Turks, mostly born abroad, but still 99.9% Muslim
Muslim grooming gangs would be a far better description |
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"Its rude to point out the elephant in the room.
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20 cities over 20 years 250 convictions ... Probably tens of thousands of victims, 99.9% of them white.
Up until about 4 years ago the perps we're 99.9 % Pakistani and Bangladeshi and mostly born in the UK.
Now we see Iranians, Iraqis, Afghans, Turks, mostly born abroad, but still 99.9% Muslim
Muslim grooming gangs would be a far better description"
An even bigger elephant! |
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You along with Boupebo have totally missed the point as he has....ok i'll say this ONCE more.....the reason i SAID they were ASIAN men and not Pakistanis...is BECAUSE they came from VARIOUS asian countries.
And the quotes were from the Collins dictionary...
So then by your logic im taking Turkey dosent participate in anything European football wise ...
Also its a fact Germany did not act alone in the holocaust...i was answering his silly analogy...and yes your right we shouldn't blame all Europeans...the same as we shouldnt blame ALL English or even football fans for hooliganism ...im not saying we should ...im just pointing out the blindingly obvious to someone who clearly knows very little and it.
Tbh i think as he is your trolling and trying to shut down the PC debate "
It was your logic to start labelling those found guilty of the crime by continent - and as far as I am aware none 'came' from Asia as they were all born in Britain so by your logic they are Europeans.
If you were pointing out the blindingly obvious instead of Asian you should've said 'British Asian men and a British woman' in the first place to make it blindingly clear.
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You along with Boupebo have totally missed the point as he has....ok i'll say this ONCE more.....the reason i SAID they were ASIAN men and not Pakistanis...is BECAUSE they came from VARIOUS asian countries.
And the quotes were from the Collins dictionary...
So then by your logic im taking Turkey dosent participate in anything European football wise ...
Also its a fact Germany did not act alone in the holocaust...i was answering his silly analogy...and yes your right we shouldn't blame all Europeans...the same as we shouldnt blame ALL English or even football fans for hooliganism ...im not saying we should ...im just pointing out the blindingly obvious to someone who clearly knows very little and it.
Tbh i think as he is your trolling and trying to shut down the PC debate
It was your logic to start labelling those found guilty of the crime by continent - and as far as I am aware none 'came' from Asia as they were all born in Britain so by your logic they are Europeans.
If you were pointing out the blindingly obvious instead of Asian you should've said 'British Asian men and a British woman' in the first place to make it blindingly clear.
"
They were labeled Pakistanis what don't you get that they wasn't...and i do believe that some of them wasn't born here .....even the the poster who i answered originally labeled them Pakistanis
The news channels and rags labeled them ASIAN ...is it me or are you just trolling...ok they are British Asians ....feel better ?.
And no the only thing there guilty of is being pedoifiles...no matter whether they come from Asia...or Europe or any other continent |
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"It's an absolute disgrace she's been forced out. The attitude of the politicians that were part of the problem in her home town of Rotherham, where the problem first emerged seem to have learned nothing. The concept of what she has said goes against their ethos, so she has been driven out.
So sad that someone who has worked to stop the problems re-occuring, and help the victims, has been silenced for saying the words forbidden by her party.
I agree...but she wasnt forced to resign... she resigned because of her choice of words she used...and tbh i dont think many people would not disagree with her ....but she has also said that The Scum have distorted her comments .
Not quite, she was one of Jeremys dissenters!!.
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You'd really think old Jeremy would be hanging onto every single one of his shadow cabinet members for dear life, considering many Labour MP's have either refused to take a seat in his front bench or resigned from his front bench. Shadow cabinet candidates for Corbyn are in short supply but he's so wrapped up in his own political correctness now he's just lost yet another one of his front benchers for a pathetic bit of politically correct virtue signalling. |
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"It's an absolute disgrace she's been forced out. The attitude of the politicians that were part of the problem in her home town of Rotherham, where the problem first emerged seem to have learned nothing. The concept of what she has said goes against their ethos, so she has been driven out.
So sad that someone who has worked to stop the problems re-occuring, and help the victims, has been silenced for saying the words forbidden by her party.
I agree...but she wasnt forced to resign... she resigned because of her choice of words she used...and tbh i dont think many people would not disagree with her ....but she has also said that The Scum have distorted her comments .
Not quite, she was one of Jeremys dissenters!!.
You'd really think old Jeremy would be hanging onto every single one of his shadow cabinet members for dear life, considering many Labour MP's have either refused to take a seat in his front bench or resigned from his front bench. Shadow cabinet candidates for Corbyn are in short supply but he's so wrapped up in his own political correctness now he's just lost yet another one of his front benchers for a pathetic bit of politically correct virtue signalling. "
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She's found out how politics works as well .
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over a year ago
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You along with Boupebo have totally missed the point as he has....ok i'll say this ONCE more.....the reason i SAID they were ASIAN men and not Pakistanis...is BECAUSE they came from VARIOUS asian countries.
And the quotes were from the Collins dictionary...
So then by your logic im taking Turkey dosent participate in anything European football wise ...
Also its a fact Germany did not act alone in the holocaust...i was answering his silly analogy...and yes your right we shouldn't blame all Europeans...the same as we shouldnt blame ALL English or even football fans for hooliganism ...im not saying we should ...im just pointing out the blindingly obvious to someone who clearly knows very little and it.
Tbh i think as he is your trolling and trying to shut down the PC debate
It was your logic to start labelling those found guilty of the crime by continent - and as far as I am aware none 'came' from Asia as they were all born in Britain so by your logic they are Europeans.
If you were pointing out the blindingly obvious instead of Asian you should've said 'British Asian men and a British woman' in the first place to make it blindingly clear.
They were labeled Pakistanis what don't you get that they wasn't...and i do believe that some of them wasn't born here .....even the the poster who i answered originally labeled them Pakistanis
The news channels and rags labeled them ASIAN ...is it me or are you just trolling...ok they are British Asians ....feel better ?.
And no the only thing there guilty of is being pedoifiles...no matter whether they come from Asia...or Europe or any other continent "
I know you have suggested I need a google translator to understand what's going on (thank you for that) but ...
Given your user name .......
Your last sentence is a little worrying!
"The only thing their guilty of is being pedophiles" ????
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You along with Boupebo have totally missed the point as he has....ok i'll say this ONCE more.....the reason i SAID they were ASIAN men and not Pakistanis...is BECAUSE they came from VARIOUS asian countries.
And the quotes were from the Collins dictionary...
So then by your logic im taking Turkey dosent participate in anything European football wise ...
Also its a fact Germany did not act alone in the holocaust...i was answering his silly analogy...and yes your right we shouldn't blame all Europeans...the same as we shouldnt blame ALL English or even football fans for hooliganism ...im not saying we should ...im just pointing out the blindingly obvious to someone who clearly knows very little and it.
Tbh i think as he is your trolling and trying to shut down the PC debate
It was your logic to start labelling those found guilty of the crime by continent - and as far as I am aware none 'came' from Asia as they were all born in Britain so by your logic they are Europeans.
If you were pointing out the blindingly obvious instead of Asian you should've said 'British Asian men and a British woman' in the first place to make it blindingly clear.
They were labeled Pakistanis what don't you get that they wasn't...and i do believe that some of them wasn't born here .....even the the poster who i answered originally labeled them Pakistanis
The news channels and rags labeled them ASIAN ...is it me or are you just trolling...ok they are British Asians ....feel better ?.
And no the only thing there guilty of is being pedoifiles...no matter whether they come from Asia...or Europe or any other continent
I know you have suggested I need a google translator to understand what's going on (thank you for that) but ...
Given your user name .......
Your last sentence is a little worrying!
"The only thing their guilty of is being pedophiles" ????
"
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"I saw the last forum ... and all I kept seeing was Asian , Muslim , can't tell the difference between a Indian or a Pakistani also you can tell by thier names !! I mean I understand thier is a problem the same as in any other country or communities and I understand thier is anger but hey all this stuff is almost borderline racism . I feel we have gone backwards in race relations and I blame both sides so much hate yes unfortunately some Muslims have a old school mentality but so do some Christian's so do Jewish in fact thiers good and bad in all . I have heard some fantastic story's of people of all faiths but unfortunately minority's of people from colours and faiths cause a problem -unfortunately it's highlighted more when people of colour do it . Now to tackle the problem straight 20 years minimum , yes highlight it if it's from a certain community but also highlight all grooming gangs with the elite rich which is all hidden ! Media will keep you busy with what they want you to focus on and rightly so but taking the focus of others who I will say are grooming from all sections of communities!
And if any of those girls were my daughters regardless of who it was the guilty wouldn't want me to get my hands on them .
On a personal level Anyone with a hint of racism can gladly block us we ain't got time for old colony mentalitys .
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Seems we stuck on one particular community to blame , just to put it out thier a lot of single white males who don't operate in groups Are the single most statically to cause abuse among white and other children in this country . And that is a proven fact as we are saying Asians or Pakistanis I mean a lot of you can't make your mind up oh like I said in my above post we seem to think they all look the same .Also the media just haven't found out about the rich elite yet especially in one town in very white Surrey which will come out soon !!
And before you all jump at this message I am mixed so before you decide to have a discussion or argument with me which side would you like to argue with my white heritage my South American heritage or my part Asian heritage !!
I understand some of you are upset I am upset that we are all busy occupied by putting each other down but really the elite controls it all ! And unfortunately people at the bottom always suffer the biggest problem In this world is the class system it does not care what religion or colour you are .
I mean Trumps first visit was Saudi Arabia to do business .
Too many sheeps on this thread ...
Your leaders are all home having a cup of tea ?? while soldiers and civilians and communities fight among each other something that they can never solve as thier too busy counting all that tax money !
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Need to grow some balls and AV the conversation
I don't think your wrong about having the conversation...but its about having the right type of conversation "
The problem is the media loves to sensationalise things and misinform the public. They know how to whip up hysteria but funnily enough fail to do that with regards to calling for justice where the elite and establishment have been involved in abuse and paedophilia. Our young and vulnerable need to be protected from ALL predators, regardless of their class or race.
The media conveniently succeeds in distracting the masses from this bottom line. We know abuses by those in power has gone on for decades and no one brought to account for it. We need answers and action not more distractions. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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Some people really struggle with simple concepts. 
All pigeons are birds, but not all birds are pigeons.
Equally you can say that all the people involved with the holocaust were European, but that doesn't mean that all Europeans were involved, get it? |
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"Of corse she is right she is only stating a fact more ppl
Need to grow some balls and AV the conversation
I don't think your wrong about having the conversation...but its about having the right type of conversation
The problem is the media loves to sensationalise things and misinform the public. They know how to whip up hysteria but funnily enough fail to do that with regards to calling for justice where the elite and establishment have been involved in abuse and paedophilia. Our young and vulnerable need to be protected from ALL predators, regardless of their class or race.
The media conveniently succeeds in distracting the masses from this bottom line. We know abuses by those in power has gone on for decades and no one brought to account for it. We need answers and action not more distractions. "
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You along with Boupebo have totally missed the point as he has....ok i'll say this ONCE more.....the reason i SAID they were ASIAN men and not Pakistanis...is BECAUSE they came from VARIOUS asian countries.
And the quotes were from the Collins dictionary...
So then by your logic im taking Turkey dosent participate in anything European football wise ...
Also its a fact Germany did not act alone in the holocaust...i was answering his silly analogy...and yes your right we shouldn't blame all Europeans...the same as we shouldnt blame ALL English or even football fans for hooliganism ...im not saying we should ...im just pointing out the blindingly obvious to someone who clearly knows very little and it.
Tbh i think as he is your trolling and trying to shut down the PC debate
It was your logic to start labelling those found guilty of the crime by continent - and as far as I am aware none 'came' from Asia as they were all born in Britain so by your logic they are Europeans.
If you were pointing out the blindingly obvious instead of Asian you should've said 'British Asian men and a British woman' in the first place to make it blindingly clear.
They were labeled Pakistanis what don't you get that they wasn't...and i do believe that some of them wasn't born here .....even the the poster who i answered originally labeled them Pakistanis
The news channels and rags labeled them ASIAN ...is it me or are you just trolling...ok they are British Asians ....feel better ?.
And no the only thing there guilty of is being pedoifiles...no matter whether they come from Asia...or Europe or any other continent
I know you have suggested I need a google translator to understand what's going on (thank you for that) but ...
Given your user name .......
Your last sentence is a little worrying!
"The only thing their guilty of is being pedophiles" ????
"
Please elaborate what you mean by my username...or are you trolling me yet again |
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"I saw the last forum ... and all I kept seeing was Asian , Muslim , can't tell the difference between a Indian or a Pakistani also you can tell by thier names !! I mean I understand thier is a problem the same as in any other country or communities and I understand thier is anger but hey all this stuff is almost borderline racism . I feel we have gone backwards in race relations and I blame both sides so much hate yes unfortunately some Muslims have a old school mentality but so do some Christian's so do Jewish in fact thiers good and bad in all . I have heard some fantastic story's of people of all faiths but unfortunately minority's of people from colours and faiths cause a problem -unfortunately it's highlighted more when people of colour do it . Now to tackle the problem straight 20 years minimum , yes highlight it if it's from a certain community but also highlight all grooming gangs with the elite rich which is all hidden ! Media will keep you busy with what they want you to focus on and rightly so but taking the focus of others who I will say are grooming from all sections of communities!
And if any of those girls were my daughters regardless of who it was the guilty wouldn't want me to get my hands on them .
On a personal level Anyone with a hint of racism can gladly block us we ain't got time for old colony mentalitys .
Seems we stuck on one particular community to blame , just to put it out thier a lot of single white males who don't operate in groups Are the single most statically to cause abuse among white and other children in this country . And that is a proven fact as we are saying Asians or Pakistanis I mean a lot of you can't make your mind up oh like I said in my above post we seem to think they all look the same .Also the media just haven't found out about the rich elite yet especially in one town in very white Surrey which will come out soon !!
And before you all jump at this message I am mixed so before you decide to have a discussion or argument with me which side would you like to argue with my white heritage my South American heritage or my part Asian heritage !!
I understand some of you are upset I am upset that we are all busy occupied by putting each other down but really the elite controls it all ! And unfortunately people at the bottom always suffer the biggest problem In this world is the class system it does not care what religion or colour you are .
I mean Trumps first visit was Saudi Arabia to do business .
Too many sheeps on this thread ...
Your leaders are all home having a cup of tea ?? while soldiers and civilians and communities fight among each other something that they can never solve as thier too busy counting all that tax money !
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"Some people really struggle with simple concepts.
All pigeons are birds, but not all birds are pigeons.
Equally you can say that all the people involved with the holocaust were European, but that doesn't mean that all Europeans were involved, get it?"
Im afraid they don't get it....especially if they don't know the history of it....didn't the Germans start off the Jews then symptomatically kill everyone that didn't agree with there views |
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You along with Boupebo have totally missed the point as he has....ok i'll say this ONCE more.....the reason i SAID they were ASIAN men and not Pakistanis...is BECAUSE they came from VARIOUS asian countries.
And the quotes were from the Collins dictionary...
So then by your logic im taking Turkey dosent participate in anything European football wise ...
Also its a fact Germany did not act alone in the holocaust...i was answering his silly analogy...and yes your right we shouldn't blame all Europeans...the same as we shouldnt blame ALL English or even football fans for hooliganism ...im not saying we should ...im just pointing out the blindingly obvious to someone who clearly knows very little and it.
Tbh i think as he is your trolling and trying to shut down the PC debate
It was your logic to start labelling those found guilty of the crime by continent - and as far as I am aware none 'came' from Asia as they were all born in Britain so by your logic they are Europeans.
If you were pointing out the blindingly obvious instead of Asian you should've said 'British Asian men and a British woman' in the first place to make it blindingly clear.
They were labeled Pakistanis what don't you get that they wasn't...and i do believe that some of them wasn't born here .....even the the poster who i answered originally labeled them Pakistanis
The news channels and rags labeled them ASIAN ...is it me or are you just trolling...ok they are British Asians ....feel better ?.
And no the only thing there guilty of is being pedoifiles...no matter whether they come from Asia...or Europe or any other continent
I know you have suggested I need a google translator to understand what's going on (thank you for that) but ...
Given your user name .......
Your last sentence is a little worrying!
"The only thing their guilty of is being pedophiles" ????
It's not just Google translate he needs it's also a spell checker. "
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You along with Boupebo have totally missed the point as he has....ok i'll say this ONCE more.....the reason i SAID they were ASIAN men and not Pakistanis...is BECAUSE they came from VARIOUS asian countries.
And the quotes were from the Collins dictionary...
So then by your logic im taking Turkey dosent participate in anything European football wise ...
Also its a fact Germany did not act alone in the holocaust...i was answering his silly analogy...and yes your right we shouldn't blame all Europeans...the same as we shouldnt blame ALL English or even football fans for hooliganism ...im not saying we should ...im just pointing out the blindingly obvious to someone who clearly knows very little and it.
Tbh i think as he is your trolling and trying to shut down the PC debate
It was your logic to start labelling those found guilty of the crime by continent - and as far as I am aware none 'came' from Asia as they were all born in Britain so by your logic they are Europeans.
If you were pointing out the blindingly obvious instead of Asian you should've said 'British Asian men and a British woman' in the first place to make it blindingly clear.
They were labeled Pakistanis what don't you get that they wasn't...and i do believe that some of them wasn't born here .....even the the poster who i answered originally labeled them Pakistanis
The news channels and rags labeled them ASIAN ...is it me or are you just trolling...ok they are British Asians ....feel better ?.
And no the only thing there guilty of is being pedoifiles...no matter whether they come from Asia...or Europe or any other continent
I know you have suggested I need a google translator to understand what's going on (thank you for that) but ...
Given your user name .......
Your last sentence is a little worrying!
"The only thing their guilty of is being pedophiles" ????
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So what else are they guilty of ? |
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"Its rude to point out the elephant in the room.
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20 cities over 20 years 250 convictions ... Probably tens of thousands of victims, 99.9% of them white.
Up until about 4 years ago the perps we're 99.9 % Pakistani and Bangladeshi and mostly born in the UK.
Now we see Iranians, Iraqis, Afghans, Turks, mostly born abroad, but still 99.9% Muslim
Muslim grooming gangs would be a far better description
An even bigger elephant! "
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"The only thing their guilty of is being pedophiles" ????
So what else are they guilty of ?
Nothing, he was referring to your spelling "
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"Its rude to point out the elephant in the room.
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20 cities over 20 years 250 convictions ... Probably tens of thousands of victims, 99.9% of them white.
Up until about 4 years ago the perps we're 99.9 % Pakistani and Bangladeshi and mostly born in the UK.
Now we see Iranians, Iraqis, Afghans, Turks, mostly born abroad, but still 99.9% Muslim
Muslim grooming gangs would be a far better description"
what is your source for this data? |
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"For anyone interested in facts over hearsay
https://fullfact.org/news/are-asians-disproportionately-represented-prosecutions-sex-offences/"
Sorry guys you cant call them Asian...haven't you read what 2 people in particular have been trolling me with.....but then they do say ignorance is bliss |
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By *oubepoMan
over a year ago
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So what else are they guilty of ?"
Other than r@ping and abusing an estimated 700 children in the North East - you mean?
You got me there with that question!
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So 'Nobdream' below decides to send me the following message. Bearing in mind he knows nothing about me i.e. race, religion, age, occupation...
Is it just me who thinks this level of ignorance and generalization is exactly why this country has been wrecked?
Seems a great solution... calling everyone and anyone a rapist. That's surely going to save precisely no child from criminal paedophiles.
NiobiumDream
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Sarah Champion!
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Oh,and another attack in Barcelona as we speak. So white supremacists death are currently : Jo Cox and the Charlottesville woman. Islamic terrorism is too numerous to list.
This country has been wrecked and we need to pretend you are a benefit to us as you r@pe our children. |
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So what else are they guilty of ?
Other than r@ping and abusing an estimated 700 children in the North East - you mean?
You got me there with that question!
I guess one or two might have received the odd parking ticket or have failed to return a library book!! "
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"So 'Nobdream' below decides to send me the following message. Bearing in mind he knows nothing about me i.e. race, religion, age, occupation...
Is it just me who thinks this level of ignorance and generalization is exactly why this country has been wrecked?
Seems a great solution... calling everyone and anyone a rapist. That's surely going to save precisely no child from criminal paedophiles.
NiobiumDream
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Sarah Champion!
25 minutes ago
[web address blocked]
Oh,and another attack in Barcelona as we speak. So white supremacists death are currently : Jo Cox and the Charlottesville woman. Islamic terrorism is too numerous to list.
This country has been wrecked and we need to pretend you are a benefit to us as you r@pe our children."
The ignorance of these people are...they amazing....they tar all races and even football fans the same...so one dimensional in there outlook |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"So 'Nobdream' below decides to send me the following message. Bearing in mind he knows nothing about me i.e. race, religion, age, occupation...
Is it just me who thinks this level of ignorance and generalization is exactly why this country has been wrecked?
Seems a great solution... calling everyone and anyone a rapist. That's surely going to save precisely no child from criminal paedophiles.
NiobiumDream
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Sarah Champion!
25 minutes ago
[web address blocked]
Oh,and another attack in Barcelona as we speak. So white supremacists death are currently : Jo Cox and the Charlottesville woman. Islamic terrorism is too numerous to list.
This country has been wrecked and we need to pretend you are a benefit to us as you r@pe our children."
Is that the racist guy who used to be called cobalt blue? Used to mention that he was Jewish in virtually every post? |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Its rude to point out the elephant in the room.
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20 cities over 20 years 250 convictions ... Probably tens of thousands of victims, 99.9% of them white.
Up until about 4 years ago the perps we're 99.9 % Pakistani and Bangladeshi and mostly born in the UK.
Now we see Iranians, Iraqis, Afghans, Turks, mostly born abroad, but still 99.9% Muslim
Muslim grooming gangs would be a far better description"
I don't think anyone is saying that there are no grooming gangs run by Asian men, but we have to be careful not to label it as an "Asian problem", because this makes us myopic.
As you ought to be aware, there are and have been grooming gangs amongst the while, male elite (although they appear to focus more on underage boys rather than girls) and the Catholic church - Neither of which are made up of many (if any) Asians.
We ought to becareful labeling this kind of thing endemic to Asian culture, because if that is the case, it is also endemic to Catholic culture.
Unfortunately, some men and women like to abuse minors. Until we can arrest people for thought-crimes, we need to be protecting potential victims. They are nearly always from vulnerable backgrounds in one way or the other. |
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By *oubepoMan
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So what else are they guilty of ?
Other than r@ping and abusing an estimated 700 children in the North East - you mean?
You got me there with that question!
I guess one or two might have received the odd parking ticket or have failed to return a library book!!
Please provide the facts please that they have...or are you talking out your arse "
Damn!
You got me again! ..... second time today! If I didn't know better I'd say I was dealing with somebody from the Ministry of Justice!
Now you've pointed all it out - I can see there's clearly been a miscarriage of justice here!
Should we think about signing a petition to get these innocent men released? |
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So what else are they guilty of ?
Other than r@ping and abusing an estimated 700 children in the North East - you mean?
You got me there with that question!
I guess one or two might have received the odd parking ticket or have failed to return a library book!!
Please provide the facts please that they have...or are you talking out your arse
Damn!
You got me again! ..... second time today! If I didn't know better I'd say I was dealing with somebody from the Ministry of Justice!
Now you've pointed all it out - I can see there's clearly been a miscarriage of justice here!
Should we think about signing a petition to get these innocent men released? "
Who on earth said there innocent i've certainly not said any such thing....personally i just think your an ignorant bigoted person |
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"Its rude to point out the elephant in the room.
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20 cities over 20 years 250 convictions ... Probably tens of thousands of victims, 99.9% of them white.
Up until about 4 years ago the perps we're 99.9 % Pakistani and Bangladeshi and mostly born in the UK.
Now we see Iranians, Iraqis, Afghans, Turks, mostly born abroad, but still 99.9% Muslim
Muslim grooming gangs would be a far better description
I don't think anyone is saying that there are no grooming gangs run by Asian men, but we have to be careful not to label it as an "Asian problem", because this makes us myopic.
As you ought to be aware, there are and have been grooming gangs amongst the while, male elite (although they appear to focus more on underage boys rather than girls) and the Catholic church - Neither of which are made up of many (if any) Asians.
We ought to becareful labeling this kind of thing endemic to Asian culture, because if that is the case, it is also endemic to Catholic culture.
Unfortunately, some men and women like to abuse minors. Until we can arrest people for thought-crimes, we need to be protecting potential victims. They are nearly always from vulnerable backgrounds in one way or the other. "
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Catholic culture of covering up and failing to inform on there paedophilic priests?... Aye.
Funny thing is when you look at the 250+ Muslim men who've been convicted for these heinous crimes not one was shopped by their family, friends, immans or community, in fact in the Rotherham case much like the Catholic church problem, some active covering up was done!.
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"Its rude to point out the elephant in the room.
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20 cities over 20 years 250 convictions ... Probably tens of thousands of victims, 99.9% of them white.
Up until about 4 years ago the perps we're 99.9 % Pakistani and Bangladeshi and mostly born in the UK.
Now we see Iranians, Iraqis, Afghans, Turks, mostly born abroad, but still 99.9% Muslim
Muslim grooming gangs would be a far better description
I don't think anyone is saying that there are no grooming gangs run by Asian men, but we have to be careful not to label it as an "Asian problem", because this makes us myopic.
As you ought to be aware, there are and have been grooming gangs amongst the while, male elite (although they appear to focus more on underage boys rather than girls) and the Catholic church - Neither of which are made up of many (if any) Asians.
We ought to becareful labeling this kind of thing endemic to Asian culture, because if that is the case, it is also endemic to Catholic culture.
Unfortunately, some men and women like to abuse minors. Until we can arrest people for thought-crimes, we need to be protecting potential victims. They are nearly always from vulnerable backgrounds in one way or the other. .
Catholic culture of covering up and failing to inform on there paedophilic priests?... Aye.
Funny thing is when you look at the 250+ Muslim men who've been convicted for these heinous crimes not one was shopped by their family, friends, immans or community, in fact in the Rotherham case much like the Catholic church problem, some active covering up was done!.
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sadly similar to Shirley Oaks, Beechholme, other children's homes in Suffolk, Jersey, North wales. Several in the Met police area, Cambridge House and Knowl view in Rochdale..
all historical abuse investigation over the past few decades and all covered up or not investigated properly..
it certainly isn't new and looks endemic.. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Its rude to point out the elephant in the room.
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20 cities over 20 years 250 convictions ... Probably tens of thousands of victims, 99.9% of them white.
Up until about 4 years ago the perps we're 99.9 % Pakistani and Bangladeshi and mostly born in the UK.
Now we see Iranians, Iraqis, Afghans, Turks, mostly born abroad, but still 99.9% Muslim
Muslim grooming gangs would be a far better description
I don't think anyone is saying that there are no grooming gangs run by Asian men, but we have to be careful not to label it as an "Asian problem", because this makes us myopic.
As you ought to be aware, there are and have been grooming gangs amongst the while, male elite (although they appear to focus more on underage boys rather than girls) and the Catholic church - Neither of which are made up of many (if any) Asians.
We ought to becareful labeling this kind of thing endemic to Asian culture, because if that is the case, it is also endemic to Catholic culture.
Unfortunately, some men and women like to abuse minors. Until we can arrest people for thought-crimes, we need to be protecting potential victims. They are nearly always from vulnerable backgrounds in one way or the other. "
Sajid Javed..... an English born, Pakistani heritage (parents), Muslim (MP) has come out in support of her statement...saying it is wrong she was forced to resign.
Are people going to call him a racist for calling for an adult, open conversation to look into the racial/religious motivation of these grooming gangs? He is if the same background but not afraid to look at the facts. |
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"Its rude to point out the elephant in the room.
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20 cities over 20 years 250 convictions ... Probably tens of thousands of victims, 99.9% of them white.
Up until about 4 years ago the perps we're 99.9 % Pakistani and Bangladeshi and mostly born in the UK.
Now we see Iranians, Iraqis, Afghans, Turks, mostly born abroad, but still 99.9% Muslim
Muslim grooming gangs would be a far better description
I don't think anyone is saying that there are no grooming gangs run by Asian men, but we have to be careful not to label it as an "Asian problem", because this makes us myopic.
As you ought to be aware, there are and have been grooming gangs amongst the while, male elite (although they appear to focus more on underage boys rather than girls) and the Catholic church - Neither of which are made up of many (if any) Asians.
We ought to becareful labeling this kind of thing endemic to Asian culture, because if that is the case, it is also endemic to Catholic culture.
Unfortunately, some men and women like to abuse minors. Until we can arrest people for thought-crimes, we need to be protecting potential victims. They are nearly always from vulnerable backgrounds in one way or the other.
Sajid Javed..... an English born, Pakistani heritage (parents), Muslim (MP) has come out in support of her statement...saying it is wrong she was forced to resign.
Are people going to call him a racist for calling for an adult, open conversation to look into the racial/religious motivation of these grooming gangs? He is if the same background but not afraid to look at the facts."
I agree it was wrong she shouldn't had resigned...but chosen her words more carefully...i don't believe for one minute her views were racist only spoken and manipulated in the wrong way...but i do believe the newspaper who published the story is racist |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Its rude to point out the elephant in the room.
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20 cities over 20 years 250 convictions ... Probably tens of thousands of victims, 99.9% of them white.
Up until about 4 years ago the perps we're 99.9 % Pakistani and Bangladeshi and mostly born in the UK.
Now we see Iranians, Iraqis, Afghans, Turks, mostly born abroad, but still 99.9% Muslim
Muslim grooming gangs would be a far better description
I don't think anyone is saying that there are no grooming gangs run by Asian men, but we have to be careful not to label it as an "Asian problem", because this makes us myopic.
As you ought to be aware, there are and have been grooming gangs amongst the while, male elite (although they appear to focus more on underage boys rather than girls) and the Catholic church - Neither of which are made up of many (if any) Asians.
We ought to becareful labeling this kind of thing endemic to Asian culture, because if that is the case, it is also endemic to Catholic culture.
Unfortunately, some men and women like to abuse minors. Until we can arrest people for thought-crimes, we need to be protecting potential victims. They are nearly always from vulnerable backgrounds in one way or the other.
Sajid Javed..... an English born, Pakistani heritage (parents), Muslim (MP) has come out in support of her statement...saying it is wrong she was forced to resign.
Are people going to call him a racist for calling for an adult, open conversation to look into the racial/religious motivation of these grooming gangs? He is if the same background but not afraid to look at the facts."
Why does the ethnicity of Javed matter? Would it have more gravitas if someone Irish or Spanish or from Latin America called for an adult conversation about peadofiles in the Catholic Church? |
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I am astounded how many people are not prepared to say a group of men of predominantly pakistani origin have been grooming young white girls. Then acuse anyone who is prepared to say it racist. It is u deniably true!
So let me rephrase it in a non racist way. There are a group of predominantly northern men actively seeking young girls and grooming them.
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over a year ago
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"I am astounded how many people are not prepared to say a group of men of predominantly pakistani origin have been grooming young white girls. Then acuse anyone who is prepared to say it racist. It is u deniably true!
So let me rephrase it in a non racist way. There are a group of predominantly northern men actively seeking young girls and grooming them.
Better?"
Nobody is not prepared to say that, what is concerning is the way that some are seeking to label it as a "cultural" thing, which is intellectually lazy and leads to the problem not being addressed properly.
Unfortunately the grooming of minors appears to happen among differing groups of people- if we decide that it's "an Asian thing" then we take our eye off all the grooming that is taking place by non Asian people.
Should Catholics have been more vigilant in their communities to out peadofile priests? Maybe, but usually you'll find the abusers prey on the vulnerable who are likely to keep their mouths shut and/or not be believed if they talk. Ergo, we should be looking after the vulnerable more carefully. |
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Problems arise when people can't speak the truth for whatever reason. People have been immune because it's 'unacceptable' to say who they are, be it Pakistani gangs, Catholic priests or TV celebrities.
Obviously not everyone from those backgrounds does those things. Nothing is more important than the protection of the young. If a group or methodology is identified they must be hunted down without any hindrance of niceties to race, class or social status.
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"I am astounded how many people are not prepared to say a group of men of predominantly pakistani origin have been grooming young white girls. Then acuse anyone who is prepared to say it racist. It is u deniably true!
So let me rephrase it in a non racist way. There are a group of predominantly northern men actively seeking young girls and grooming them.
Better?
Nobody is not prepared to say that, what is concerning is the way that some are seeking to label it as a "cultural" thing, which is intellectually lazy and leads to the problem not being addressed properly.
Unfortunately the grooming of minors appears to happen among differing groups of people- if we decide that it's "an Asian thing" then we take our eye off all the grooming that is taking place by non Asian people.
Should Catholics have been more vigilant in their communities to out peadofile priests? Maybe, but usually you'll find the abusers prey on the vulnerable who are likely to keep their mouths shut and/or not be believed if they talk. Ergo, we should be looking after the vulnerable more carefully."
A bottom line worth repeating...
"we should be looking after the vulnerable more carefully." |
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"I am astounded how many people are not prepared to say a group of men of predominantly pakistani origin have been grooming young white girls. Then acuse anyone who is prepared to say it racist. It is u deniably true!
So let me rephrase it in a non racist way. There are a group of predominantly northern men actively seeking young girls and grooming them.
Better?
Nobody is not prepared to say that, what is concerning is the way that some are seeking to label it as a "cultural" thing, which is intellectually lazy and leads to the problem not being addressed properly.
Unfortunately the grooming of minors appears to happen among differing groups of people- if we decide that it's "an Asian thing" then we take our eye off all the grooming that is taking place by non Asian people.
Should Catholics have been more vigilant in their communities to out peadofile priests? Maybe, but usually you'll find the abusers prey on the vulnerable who are likely to keep their mouths shut and/or not be believed if they talk. Ergo, we should be looking after the vulnerable more carefully."
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It is a cultural thing just like Catholic priests was a cultural thing and the BBC themselves constantly refer to the culture in the BBC in the 70s which propagated it.... Of course it was fine to say those were cultural because they were predominantly white?. I'm not "intellectually lazy" I'm just honest and not afraid to offend people, in fact on these occasions it's right to offend people, they should be offended, what went on was disgusting beyond belief and many many many people inside that community knew what was going on and for a few reasons decided not to say anything just like Catholic priests and just like the BBC. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"I am astounded how many people are not prepared to say a group of men of predominantly pakistani origin have been grooming young white girls. Then acuse anyone who is prepared to say it racist. It is u deniably true!
So let me rephrase it in a non racist way. There are a group of predominantly northern men actively seeking young girls and grooming them.
Better?
Nobody is not prepared to say that, what is concerning is the way that some are seeking to label it as a "cultural" thing, which is intellectually lazy and leads to the problem not being addressed properly.
Unfortunately the grooming of minors appears to happen among differing groups of people- if we decide that it's "an Asian thing" then we take our eye off all the grooming that is taking place by non Asian people.
Should Catholics have been more vigilant in their communities to out peadofile priests? Maybe, but usually you'll find the abusers prey on the vulnerable who are likely to keep their mouths shut and/or not be believed if they talk. Ergo, we should be looking after the vulnerable more carefully.. But
It is a cultural thing just like Catholic priests was a cultural thing and the BBC themselves constantly refer to the culture in the BBC in the 70s which propagated it.... Of course it was fine to say those were cultural because they were predominantly white?. I'm not "intellectually lazy" I'm just honest and not afraid to offend people, in fact on these occasions it's right to offend people, they should be offended, what went on was disgusting beyond belief and many many many people inside that community knew what was going on and for a few reasons decided not to say anything just like Catholic priests and just like the BBC."
Ok, allow me to rephrase slightly: "a cultural thing (specific to Asians)". It's appears to happen in a number of cultures, white British included. |
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"I am astounded how many people are not prepared to say a group of men of predominantly pakistani origin have been grooming young white girls. Then acuse anyone who is prepared to say it racist. It is u deniably true!
So let me rephrase it in a non racist way. There are a group of predominantly northern men actively seeking young girls and grooming them.
Better?
Nobody is not prepared to say that, what is concerning is the way that some are seeking to label it as a "cultural" thing, which is intellectually lazy and leads to the problem not being addressed properly.
Unfortunately the grooming of minors appears to happen among differing groups of people- if we decide that it's "an Asian thing" then we take our eye off all the grooming that is taking place by non Asian people.
Should Catholics have been more vigilant in their communities to out peadofile priests? Maybe, but usually you'll find the abusers prey on the vulnerable who are likely to keep their mouths shut and/or not be believed if they talk. Ergo, we should be looking after the vulnerable more carefully.. But
It is a cultural thing just like Catholic priests was a cultural thing and the BBC themselves constantly refer to the culture in the BBC in the 70s which propagated it.... Of course it was fine to say those were cultural because they were predominantly white?. I'm not "intellectually lazy" I'm just honest and not afraid to offend people, in fact on these occasions it's right to offend people, they should be offended, what went on was disgusting beyond belief and many many many people inside that community knew what was going on and for a few reasons decided not to say anything just like Catholic priests and just like the BBC."
agree that it was and is a disgusting crime and that more needs to be done in that particular community as regards the views held by some young men in relation to what is and is not acceptable or will be tolerated..
and yes the BBC was a cultural issue also but equally it appears that for some white men historically across pretty much all our communities that abuse has also been for those people acceptable behaviour and has been covered up, ignored and when taken seriously at the time it was reported then bodged in being investigated when it was taking place..
there are dozens of historical cases of white men in our own society doing the same..
this sadly is not new.. |
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"I am astounded how many people are not prepared to say a group of men of predominantly pakistani origin have been grooming young white girls. Then acuse anyone who is prepared to say it racist. It is u deniably true!
So let me rephrase it in a non racist way. There are a group of predominantly northern men actively seeking young girls and grooming them.
Better?
Nobody is not prepared to say that, what is concerning is the way that some are seeking to label it as a "cultural" thing, which is intellectually lazy and leads to the problem not being addressed properly.
Unfortunately the grooming of minors appears to happen among differing groups of people- if we decide that it's "an Asian thing" then we take our eye off all the grooming that is taking place by non Asian people.
Should Catholics have been more vigilant in their communities to out peadofile priests? Maybe, but usually you'll find the abusers prey on the vulnerable who are likely to keep their mouths shut and/or not be believed if they talk. Ergo, we should be looking after the vulnerable more carefully.. But
It is a cultural thing just like Catholic priests was a cultural thing and the BBC themselves constantly refer to the culture in the BBC in the 70s which propagated it.... Of course it was fine to say those were cultural because they were predominantly white?. I'm not "intellectually lazy" I'm just honest and not afraid to offend people, in fact on these occasions it's right to offend people, they should be offended, what went on was disgusting beyond belief and many many many people inside that community knew what was going on and for a few reasons decided not to say anything just like Catholic priests and just like the BBC.
Ok, allow me to rephrase slightly: "a cultural thing (specific to Asians)". It's appears to happen in a number of cultures, white British included."
"Asians" isn't fair. Muslims. one member of whom shouted in court "white women are good for one thing". Don't kid yourselves that this has nothing to do with race and culture. Its absolutely about that. |
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over a year ago
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"I am astounded how many people are not prepared to say a group of men of predominantly pakistani origin have been grooming young white girls. Then acuse anyone who is prepared to say it racist. It is u deniably true!
So let me rephrase it in a non racist way. There are a group of predominantly northern men actively seeking young girls and grooming them.
Better?
Nobody is not prepared to say that, what is concerning is the way that some are seeking to label it as a "cultural" thing, which is intellectually lazy and leads to the problem not being addressed properly.
Unfortunately the grooming of minors appears to happen among differing groups of people- if we decide that it's "an Asian thing" then we take our eye off all the grooming that is taking place by non Asian people.
Should Catholics have been more vigilant in their communities to out peadofile priests? Maybe, but usually you'll find the abusers prey on the vulnerable who are likely to keep their mouths shut and/or not be believed if they talk. Ergo, we should be looking after the vulnerable more carefully.
A bottom line worth repeating...
"we should be looking after the vulnerable more carefully.""
If you say that you get accused of being part of the problem. |
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"not all Christians think it acceptable to murder a person who works in an abortion clinic..
some do..
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This is true, alas its also true that the majority of the ones who don't still think it's morally wrong according to their faith!.
Sure they don't want to shoot you but they still would outlaw it and turn you all into criminals. Thankfully we've managed to get a good chunk of them to reverse their beliefs on homosexuality, however you look at the polls on Muslims and like 99% of them want homosexuality made illegal, sure the vast majority won't throw you off a roof for it but... The majorities attitude allows the minorites to get away with throwing you off a roof for it.
Majid nawaz has and is trying very hard to counter religious extremities with argument, unfortunately as he points out, for his efforts he's under attack from the regressive left the devout and the Islamists.
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A bottom line worth repeating...
"we should be looking after the vulnerable more carefully."
If you say that you get accused of being part of the problem."
People who won't acknowledge ALL parts of the picture are part of the problem. |
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A bottom line worth repeating...
"we should be looking after the vulnerable more carefully."
If you say that you get accused of being part of the problem.
People who won't acknowledge ALL parts of the picture are part of the problem."
See what I mean. |
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A bottom line worth repeating...
"we should be looking after the vulnerable more carefully."
If you say that you get accused of being part of the problem.
People who won't acknowledge ALL parts of the picture are part of the problem.
See what I mean. "
No.
Isn't it necessary to see all parts of a problem to fix it?
Or just see the parts that don't make you feel uncomfortable. |
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A bottom line worth repeating...
"we should be looking after the vulnerable more carefully."
If you say that you get accused of being part of the problem.
People who won't acknowledge ALL parts of the picture are part of the problem.
See what I mean.
No.
Isn't it necessary to see all parts of a problem to fix it?
Or just see the parts that don't make you feel uncomfortable."
Which parts don't I see? |
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"I am astounded how many people are not prepared to say a group of men of predominantly pakistani origin have been grooming young white girls. Then acuse anyone who is prepared to say it racist. It is u deniably true!
So let me rephrase it in a non racist way. There are a group of predominantly northern men actively seeking young girls and grooming them.
Better?"
No ! Since when has Oxford been in the North !
It's a Group of Predominatly Muslim Men !!!
And I've no problem in saying it ! |
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A bottom line worth repeating...
"we should be looking after the vulnerable more carefully."
If you say that you get accused of being part of the problem.
People who won't acknowledge ALL parts of the picture are part of the problem.
See what I mean.
No.
Isn't it necessary to see all parts of a problem to fix it?
Or just see the parts that don't make you feel uncomfortable.
Which parts don't I see? "
That there is a problem with gangs of predominately Pakistani heritage. |
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A bottom line worth repeating...
"we should be looking after the vulnerable more carefully."
If you say that you get accused of being part of the problem.
People who won't acknowledge ALL parts of the picture are part of the problem.
See what I mean.
No.
Isn't it necessary to see all parts of a problem to fix it?
Or just see the parts that don't make you feel uncomfortable.
Which parts don't I see?
That there is a problem with gangs of predominately Pakistani heritage."
Got a quote to support that assumption? |
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A bottom line worth repeating...
"we should be looking after the vulnerable more carefully."
If you say that you get accused of being part of the problem.
People who won't acknowledge ALL parts of the picture are part of the problem.
See what I mean.
No.
Isn't it necessary to see all parts of a problem to fix it?
Or just see the parts that don't make you feel uncomfortable.
Which parts don't I see?
That there is a problem with gangs of predominately Pakistani heritage.
Got a quote to support that assumption?"
No he doesn't....because the first minute he looks he will see the evidence that the government have done |
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A bottom line worth repeating...
"we should be looking after the vulnerable more carefully."
If you say that you get accused of being part of the problem.
People who won't acknowledge ALL parts of the picture are part of the problem.
See what I mean.
No.
Isn't it necessary to see all parts of a problem to fix it?
Or just see the parts that don't make you feel uncomfortable.
Which parts don't I see?
That there is a problem with gangs of predominately Pakistani heritage.
Got a quote to support that assumption?"
So are you saying that problem does exist? |
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A bottom line worth repeating...
"we should be looking after the vulnerable more carefully."
If you say that you get accused of being part of the problem.
People who won't acknowledge ALL parts of the picture are part of the problem.
See what I mean.
No.
Isn't it necessary to see all parts of a problem to fix it?
Or just see the parts that don't make you feel uncomfortable.
Which parts don't I see?
That there is a problem with gangs of predominately Pakistani heritage.
Got a quote to support that assumption?
So are you saying that problem does exist?"
 it's a matter of public record, and has been very widely reported in the media. |
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Which parts don't I see?
That there is a problem with gangs of predominately Pakistani heritage.
Got a quote to support that assumption?
So are you saying that problem does exist?
it's a matter of public record, and has been very widely reported in the media. "
Is that your way of saying 'Yes, it is a problem' ? |
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Which parts don't I see?
That there is a problem with gangs of predominately Pakistani heritage.
Got a quote to support that assumption?
So are you saying that problem does exist?
it's a matter of public record, and has been very widely reported in the media.
Is that your way of saying 'Yes, it is a problem' ?"
You stated that I don't see there is a problem. Are you able to substantiate that claim? |
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Which parts don't I see?
That there is a problem with gangs of predominately Pakistani heritage.
Got a quote to support that assumption?
So are you saying that problem does exist?
it's a matter of public record, and has been very widely reported in the media.
Is that your way of saying 'Yes, it is a problem' ?
You stated that I don't see there is a problem. Are you able to substantiate that claim? "
Jeez. So, are you saying that is or isn't a problem?
I know it's hard for you to just answer. Is it a problem or not?
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Which parts don't I see?
That there is a problem with gangs of predominately Pakistani heritage.
Got a quote to support that assumption?
So are you saying that problem does exist?
it's a matter of public record, and has been very widely reported in the media.
Is that your way of saying 'Yes, it is a problem' ?
You stated that I don't see there is a problem. Are you able to substantiate that claim?
Jeez. So, are you saying that is or isn't a problem?
I know it's hard for you to just answer. Is it a problem or not?
(It's ok to answer 'yes' or 'no')"
So can you substantiate your claim or not? |
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Which parts don't I see?
That there is a problem with gangs of predominately Pakistani heritage.
Got a quote to support that assumption?
So are you saying that problem does exist?
it's a matter of public record, and has been very widely reported in the media.
Is that your way of saying 'Yes, it is a problem' ?
You stated that I don't see there is a problem. Are you able to substantiate that claim?
Jeez. So, are you saying that is or isn't a problem?
I know it's hard for you to just answer. Is it a problem or not?
(It's ok to answer 'yes' or 'no')
So can you substantiate your claim or not? "
How can anything be substantiated if you refuse to give an answer?
Are you telling me I'm wrong and that you do see it as a problem? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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Which parts don't I see?
That there is a problem with gangs of predominately Pakistani heritage.
Got a quote to support that assumption?
So are you saying that problem does exist?
it's a matter of public record, and has been very widely reported in the media.
Is that your way of saying 'Yes, it is a problem' ?
You stated that I don't see there is a problem. Are you able to substantiate that claim?
Jeez. So, are you saying that is or isn't a problem?
I know it's hard for you to just answer. Is it a problem or not?
(It's ok to answer 'yes' or 'no')
So can you substantiate your claim or not?
How can anything be substantiated if you refuse to give an answer?
Are you telling me I'm wrong and that you do see it as a problem?"
You said that I didn't see a problem, you didn't ask me, you made a statement, so it's up to you to back it up.
The same way that if I said that you were a member of the KKK, or that you like drowning kittens, it would be up to me to back that claim up. |
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How can anything be substantiated if you refuse to give an answer?
Are you telling me I'm wrong and that you do see it as a problem?
You said that I didn't see a problem, you didn't ask me, you made a statement, so it's up to you to back it up.
The same way that if I said that you were a member of the KKK, or that you like drowning kittens, it would be up to me to back that claim up. "
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over a year ago
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How can anything be substantiated if you refuse to give an answer?
Are you telling me I'm wrong and that you do see it as a problem?
You said that I didn't see a problem, you didn't ask me, you made a statement, so it's up to you to back it up.
The same way that if I said that you were a member of the KKK, or that you like drowning kittens, it would be up to me to back that claim up.
Ok, I'll ask you. Does that problem exist?"
Accuse me first, ask me 2nd? Either back up your claim, or apologise. |
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How can anything be substantiated if you refuse to give an answer?
Are you telling me I'm wrong and that you do see it as a problem?
You said that I didn't see a problem, you didn't ask me, you made a statement, so it's up to you to back it up.
The same way that if I said that you were a member of the KKK, or that you like drowning kittens, it would be up to me to back that claim up.
Ok, I'll ask you. Does that problem exist?
Accuse me first, ask me 2nd? Either back up your claim, or apologise."
I've asked you 3-4 times to clarify your position and you refuse to do so. |
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We carry prejudices against white women and their “availability” with us when we immigrate, and they become even more amplified when we feel threatened by the pervading culture of the place we have settled in, and we want to draw in and protect ourselves from change and assimilation. If white women are “easy,” then vulnerable white girls, who are in care homes or runaways, are the “easiest” of all.
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How can anything be substantiated if you refuse to give an answer?
Are you telling me I'm wrong and that you do see it as a problem?
You said that I didn't see a problem, you didn't ask me, you made a statement, so it's up to you to back it up.
The same way that if I said that you were a member of the KKK, or that you like drowning kittens, it would be up to me to back that claim up.
Ok, I'll ask you. Does that problem exist?
Accuse me first, ask me 2nd? Either back up your claim, or apologise.
I've asked you 3-4 times to clarify your position and you refuse to do so."
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To be fair the amount of intolerance on here is quite shocking ... a lot of the Muslims the Pakistanis I mean we are now moving closer to from the Asians and they all look the same or we can tell by their names ! So now people want to say Muslim and Pakistani shall we simplify it a lot more because you are talking about 0000.01. % of the whole entire community but like I said again I don't agree with it but than I don't like that we seem still to be quiet about the elite again ... than also now that Pakistan sees women as inferior I mean they had a women prime minster and actually have moved forward and also fought for this country in both world wars .I can say the same about Britian didn't take those abused girls seriously from social services to the police and council because they were from a poorer class of society ,the establishment who is mainly made up of elite white people and men ! I have no problem saying it . |
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"To be fair the amount of intolerance on here is quite shocking ... a lot of the Muslims the Pakistanis I mean we are now moving closer to from the Asians and they all look the same or we can tell by their names ! So now people want to say Muslim and Pakistani shall we simplify it a lot more because you are talking about 0000.01. % of the whole entire community but like I said again I don't agree with it but than I don't like that we seem still to be quiet about the elite again ... than also now that Pakistan sees women as inferior I mean they had a women prime minster and actually have moved forward and also fought for this country in both world wars .I can say the same about Britian didn't take those abused girls seriously from social services to the police and council because they were from a poorer class of society ,the establishment who is mainly made up of elite white people and men ! I have no problem saying it ."
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We carry prejudices against white women and their “availability” with us when we immigrate, and they become even more amplified when we feel threatened by the pervading culture of the place we have settled in, and we want to draw in and protect ourselves from change and assimilation. If white women are “easy,” then vulnerable white girls, who are in care homes or runaways, are the “easiest” of all.
Beyond the paradigm of race, Pakistan has deeply ingrained attitudes that see all girls and women as inferior to boys and men, which is why ill treatment of women and girls happens in the first place.
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"To be fair the amount of intolerance on here is quite shocking ... a lot of the Muslims the Pakistanis I mean we are now moving closer to from the Asians and they all look the same or we can tell by their names ! So now people want to say Muslim and Pakistani shall we simplify it a lot more because you are talking about 0000.01. % of the whole entire community but like I said again I don't agree with it but than I don't like that we seem still to be quiet about the elite again ... than also now that Pakistan sees women as inferior I mean they had a women prime minster and actually have moved forward and also fought for this country in both world wars .I can say the same about Britian didn't take those abused girls seriously from social services to the police and council because they were from a poorer class of society ,the establishment who is mainly made up of elite white people and men ! I have no problem saying it .
Read this
We carry prejudices against white women and their “availability” with us when we immigrate, and they become even more amplified when we feel threatened by the pervading culture of the place we have settled in, and we want to draw in and protect ourselves from change and assimilation. If white women are “easy,” then vulnerable white girls, who are in care homes or runaways, are the “easiest” of all.
Beyond the paradigm of race, Pakistan has deeply ingrained attitudes that see all girls and women as inferior to boys and men, which is why ill treatment of women and girls happens in the first place.
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"To be fair the amount of intolerance on here is quite shocking ... a lot of the Muslims the Pakistanis I mean we are now moving closer to from the Asians and they all look the same or we can tell by their names ! So now people want to say Muslim and Pakistani shall we simplify it a lot more because you are talking about 0000.01. % of the whole entire community but like I said again I don't agree with it but than I don't like that we seem still to be quiet about the elite again ... than also now that Pakistan sees women as inferior I mean they had a women prime minster and actually have moved forward and also fought for this country in both world wars .I can say the same about Britian didn't take those abused girls seriously from social services to the police and council because they were from a poorer class of society ,the establishment who is mainly made up of elite white people and men ! I have no problem saying it .
Read this
We carry prejudices against white women and their “availability” with us when we immigrate, and they become even more amplified when we feel threatened by the pervading culture of the place we have settled in, and we want to draw in and protect ourselves from change and assimilation. If white women are “easy,” then vulnerable white girls, who are in care homes or runaways, are the “easiest” of all.
Beyond the paradigm of race, Pakistan has deeply ingrained attitudes that see all girls and women as inferior to boys and men, which is why ill treatment of women and girls happens in the first place.
I have read it and I replied to my opinion if you don't like it I don't really care you don't need to repeat yourself ! "
People who feel like the page I posted have no place in the civilized world , this is an attitude that's bread into them for generations, if they don't want to live with our values by our rules our law , they know where the ports and air ports are |
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"To be fair the amount of intolerance on here is quite shocking ... a lot of the Muslims the Pakistanis I mean we are now moving closer to from the Asians and they all look the same or we can tell by their names ! So now people want to say Muslim and Pakistani shall we simplify it a lot more because you are talking about 0000.01. % of the whole entire community but like I said again I don't agree with it but than I don't like that we seem still to be quiet about the elite again ... than also now that Pakistan sees women as inferior I mean they had a women prime minster and actually have moved forward and also fought for this country in both world wars .I can say the same about Britian didn't take those abused girls seriously from social services to the police and council because they were from a poorer class of society ,the establishment who is mainly made up of elite white people and men ! I have no problem saying it .
Read this
We carry prejudices against white women and their “availability” with us when we immigrate, and they become even more amplified when we feel threatened by the pervading culture of the place we have settled in, and we want to draw in and protect ourselves from change and assimilation. If white women are “easy,” then vulnerable white girls, who are in care homes or runaways, are the “easiest” of all.
Beyond the paradigm of race, Pakistan has deeply ingrained attitudes that see all girls and women as inferior to boys and men, which is why ill treatment of women and girls happens in the first place.
I have read it and I replied to my opinion if you don't like it I don't really care you don't need to repeat yourself !
People who feel like the page I posted have no place in the civilized world , this is an attitude that's bread into them for generations, if they don't want to live with our values by our rules our law , they know where the ports and air ports are "
Thanks for letting them all know I will pass on your opinion I am sure it's going to be groundbreaking and will make the world a better place . |
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Seems everyone has missed the obvious in their rush to condemn or defend Sarah Champion.
She was not only a labour MP, she was also a member of the shadow cabinet and as such was a target for certain elements in the media (Murdock). But she chose to put her name to an article in the scum (it is called that for a reason).
Why is anyone surprised that a scum hack expand on the article with her name on it and in so doing a hatchet job on her career? she should have known better than to take Murdocks cash.
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"Seems everyone has missed the obvious in their rush to condemn or defend Sarah Champion.
She was not only a labour MP, she was also a member of the shadow cabinet and as such was a target for certain elements in the media (Murdock). But she chose to put her name to an article in the scum (it is called that for a reason).
Why is anyone surprised that a scum hack expand on the article with her name on it and in so doing a hatchet job on her career? she should have known better than to take Murdocks cash.
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"Seems everyone has missed the obvious in their rush to condemn or defend Sarah Champion.
She was not only a labour MP, she was also a member of the shadow cabinet and as such was a target for certain elements in the media (Murdock). But she chose to put her name to an article in the scum (it is called that for a reason).
Why is anyone surprised that a scum hack expand on the article with her name on it and in so doing a hatchet job on her career? she should have known bette r than to take Murdocks cash.
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Not everyone!.
I posted way up at the beginning to point out she was one of Corbyns dissenters at the beginning, her words were not misconstrued by the sun newspaper, they printed it as she wrote it, this was confirmed by her PAs email to the sun.
She should have refused to go and given jezza the two fingers |
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"In fact the only thing she complained about to the sun on the article was the photograph of her that they used.
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As I understand it, it was not her article that caused her to have to resign it was a follow up piece written by a staff hack. |
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Whatever the detail, do people think vulnerable children are now safer, or more at risk followed Sarah Champions removal?
Personally, I'd say they are more at risk. She helped in Rotherham and was using the lessons learnt there to help prevent it reoccurring and continuing elsewhere.
The same mentality that allowed the disaster in Rotherham, has once again reared it's head. People with a higher regard for political dogma than child welfare have had their way again. |
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"Seems everyone has missed the obvious in their rush to condemn or defend Sarah Champion.
She was not only a labour MP, she was also a member of the shadow cabinet and as such was a target for certain elements in the media (Murdock). But she chose to put her name to an article in the scum (it is called that for a reason).
Why is anyone surprised that a scum hack expand on the article with her name on it and in so doing a hatchet job on her career? she should have known bette r than to take Murdocks cash.
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Not everyone!.
I posted way up at the beginning to point out she was one of Corbyns dissenters at the beginning, her words were not misconstrued by the sun newspaper, they printed it as she wrote it, this was confirmed by her PAs email to the sun.
She should have refused to go and given jezza the two fingers "
Yes she should have told him to get lost .
Funny what an election can do tho
Corbyns gone from begging his MPs to be in his shadow cabinet to getting rid as soon as they don't tie the line |
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Does it REALLY matter what colour, creed or country these men hail from?
Really?
The focus should be on the crimes committed.
The lady in question probably resigned as a result of her own political party's stance on PC matters.
Was she pressured to do so? Only she herself knows the answer |
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You only have to look on these forums to see that for some the colour of the perpetrators skin and their religion/culture when such crime's happen it allows them to vent their bigotry and attack all of that race or culture..
its narrow minded and not logical but there are amongst us people on the extreme who thrive on hatred and division..
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"You only have to look on these forums to see that for some the colour of the perpetrators skin and their religion/culture when such crime's happen it allows them to vent their bigotry and attack all of that race or culture..
its narrow minded and not logical but there are amongst us people on the extreme who thrive on hatred and division..
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Spot in couldn't have said it better . Like I said I have seen some of the people's opinion but when I see comments like they all look the same and I can tell by thier names I know deep down in thier hearts they hate people with any colour in them and I ain't going to name and Shame but I have looked in the political forum for over a year and it's a good 12 of them who always comment in a way when ever it's to do with a person of colour ! Now like I said to them which none of them have mentioned to step up to me to which side will they love to argue with because I love my british heritage I love my Latino and I love my Asian heritage . Define it how you want |
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"You only have to look on these forums to see that for some the colour of the perpetrators skin and their religion/culture when such crime's happen it allows them to vent their bigotry and attack all of that race or culture..
its narrow minded and not logical but there are amongst us people on the extreme who thrive on hatred and division..
Spot in couldn't have said it better . Like I said I have seen some of the people's opinion but when I see comments like they all look the same and I can tell by thier names I know deep down in thier hearts they hate people with any colour in them and I ain't going to name and Shame but I have looked in the political forum for over a year and it's a good 12 of them who always comment in a way when ever it's to do with a person of colour ! Now like I said to them which none of them have mentioned to step up to me to which side will they love to argue with because I love my british heritage I love my Latino and I love my Asian heritage . Define it how you want "
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"You only have to look on these forums to see that for some the colour of the perpetrators skin and their religion/culture when such crime's happen it allows them to vent their bigotry and attack all of that race or culture..
its narrow minded and not logical but there are amongst us people on the extreme who thrive on hatred and division..
Spot in couldn't have said it better . Like I said I have seen some of the people's opinion but when I see comments like they all look the same and I can tell by thier names I know deep down in thier hearts they hate people with any colour in them and I ain't going to name and Shame but I have looked in the political forum for over a year and it's a good 12 of them who always comment in a way when ever it's to do with a person of colour ! Now like I said to them which none of them have mentioned to step up to me to which side will they love to argue with because I love my british heritage I love my Latino and I love my Asian heritage . Define it how you want
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I agree, I wonder what they think the victims feel about it. If a child is being sexually attacked, I bet they are not thinking "it could be worse, this guy could be muslim" or that someone mown down by a car doesn't say with their dying breath "I'm glad that I was killed by a white supremacist rather than Islamic State" |
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"You only have to look on these forums to see that for some the colour of the perpetrators skin and their religion/culture when such crime's happen it allows them to vent their bigotry and attack all of that race or culture..
its narrow minded and not logical but there are amongst us people on the extreme who thrive on hatred and division..
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Catholic Priests abusing young boys are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn any involved or anyone who tried to cover it up.
70's and 80's white male television and radio presenters who used their fames to abuse vulnerable women and children are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn any involved or anyone who tried to cover it up.
Middle aged white men in paedophile rings abusing young children are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn anyone involved.
Groups of Pakistani men grooming and abusing vulnerable young girls are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn anyone involved.
I also am not afraid to say anyone who thinks the above is racist is a prick. |
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"Does it REALLY matter what colour, creed or country these men hail from?
Really?
The focus should be on the crimes committed.
The lady in question probably resigned as a result of her own political party's stance on PC matters.
Was she pressured to do so? Only she herself knows the answer "
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Yes it does.
Pakistani Muslims make up about 2%-3% of the UK's population but over 40% of grooming gang perps... Obviously for that reason it requires extra attention and closer inspection.... Then when you realise your getting zero help from that community in terms of these offenders being reported then that also matters, because we need to change that culture just like we changed the BBC culture of coverups!.
The lady in question was not actually forced to resign from just her own party, it was an open letter calling for her resignation from across the board.
However there pc fucking idiots, anybody looking at those figures can see we have a problem with predominantly Pakistani Muslim men forming grooming gangs!.
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"You only have to look on these forums to see that for some the colour of the perpetrators skin and their religion/culture when such crime's happen it allows them to vent their bigotry and attack all of that race or culture..
its narrow minded and not logical but there are amongst us people on the extreme who thrive on hatred and division..
Catholic Priests abusing young boys are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn any involved or anyone who tried to cover it up.
70's and 80's white male television and radio presenters who used their fames to abuse vulnerable women and children are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn any involved or anyone who tried to cover it up.
Middle aged white men in paedophile rings abusing young children are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn anyone involved.
Groups of Pakistani men grooming and abusing vulnerable young girls are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn anyone involved.
I also am not afraid to say anyone who thinks the above is racist is a prick."
So that criminal gangs of white and brown men abusing children. how come the only ones identified by race or nationality are the Asians? |
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Pakistani Muslims make up about 2%-3% of the UK's population but over 40% of grooming gang perps... Obviously for that reason it requires extra attention and closer inspection.... Then when you realise your getting zero help from that community in terms of these offenders being reported then that also matters, because we need to change that culture just like we changed the BBC culture of coverups!.
The lady in question was not actually forced to resign from just her own party, it was an open letter calling for her resignation from across the board.
However there pc fucking idiots, anybody looking at those figures can see we have a problem with predominantly Pakistani Muslim men forming grooming gangs!.
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And would you like to quantify as a % how many Catholic priests there are in the UK and the % of those found to have been molesting their parishioners children and then extrapolate out and compare it to the numbers you get when you do the same to the UK Asian community. Ill put money on the priests outnumbering the Asians by large magnitudes. |
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"You only have to look on these forums to see that for some the colour of the perpetrators skin and their religion/culture when such crime's happen it allows them to vent their bigotry and attack all of that race or culture..
its narrow minded and not logical but there are amongst us people on the extreme who thrive on hatred and division..
Catholic Priests abusing young boys are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn any involved or anyone who tried to cover it up.
70's and 80's white male television and radio presenters who used their fames to abuse vulnerable women and children are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn any involved or anyone who tried to cover it up.
Middle aged white men in paedophile rings abusing young children are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn anyone involved.
Groups of Pakistani men grooming and abusing vulnerable young girls are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn anyone involved.
I also am not afraid to say anyone who thinks the above is racist is a prick."
apart from missing out on the dozen or so separate inquiries into historical sexual abuse in children's homes countrywide during the 50's to the mid 80's you've pretty much covered things but what is the actual point in relation to my post that you have responded to?
are you saying that there are not some on here and in our society that do vent their their bigotry and hatred as i said above? |
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"You only have to look on these forums to see that for some the colour of the perpetrators skin and their religion/culture when such crime's happen it allows them to vent their bigotry and attack all of that race or culture..
its narrow minded and not logical but there are amongst us people on the extreme who thrive on hatred and division..
Catholic Priests abusing young boys are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn any involved or anyone who tried to cover it up.
70's and 80's white male television and radio presenters who used their fames to abuse vulnerable women and children are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn any involved or anyone who tried to cover it up.
Middle aged white men in paedophile rings abusing young children are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn anyone involved.
Groups of Pakistani men grooming and abusing vulnerable young girls are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn anyone involved.
I also am not afraid to say anyone who thinks the above is racist is a prick.
apart from missing out on the dozen or so separate inquiries into historical sexual abuse in children's homes countrywide during the 50's to the mid 80's you've pretty much covered things but what is the actual point in relation to my post that you have responded to?
are you saying that there are not some on here and in our society that do vent their their bigotry and hatred as i said above?"
There may be some and I wont defend them. I am saying I am not one and will call things as I see them. It isn't racist to do it. |
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Pakistani Muslims make up about 2%-3% of the UK's population but over 40% of grooming gang perps... Obviously for that reason it requires extra attention and closer inspection.... Then when you realise your getting zero help from that community in terms of these offenders being reported then that also matters, because we need to change that culture just like we changed the BBC culture of coverups!.
The lady in question was not actually forced to resign from just her own party, it was an open letter calling for her resignation from across the board.
However there pc fucking idiots, anybody looking at those figures can see we have a problem with predominantly Pakistani Muslim men forming grooming gangs!.
And would you like to quantify as a % how many Catholic priests there are in the UK and the % of those found to have been molesting their parishioners children and then extrapolate out and compare it to the numbers you get when you do the same to the UK Asian community. Ill put money on the priests outnumbering the Asians by large magnitudes."
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its narrow minded and not logical but there are amongst us people on the extreme who thrive on hatred and division..
Catholic Priests abusing young boys are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn any involved or anyone who tried to cover it up.
70's and 80's white male television and radio presenters who used their fames to abuse vulnerable women and children are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn any involved or anyone who tried to cover it up.
Middle aged white men in paedophile rings abusing young children are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn anyone involved.
Groups of Pakistani men grooming and abusing vulnerable young girls are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn anyone involved.
I also am not afraid to say anyone who thinks the above is racist is a prick.
apart from missing out on the dozen or so separate inquiries into historical sexual abuse in children's homes countrywide during the 50's to the mid 80's you've pretty much covered things but what is the actual point in relation to my post that you have responded to?
are you saying that there are not some on here and in our society that do vent their their bigotry and hatred as i said above?
There may be some and I wont defend them. I am saying I am not one and will call things as I see them. It isn't racist to do it."
Err yes..
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"You only have to look on these forums to see that for some the colour of the perpetrators skin and their religion/culture when such crime's happen it allows them to vent their bigotry and attack all of that race or culture..
its narrow minded and not logical but there are amongst us people on the extreme who thrive on hatred and division..
Catholic Priests abusing young boys are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn any involved or anyone who tried to cover it up.
70's and 80's white male television and radio presenters who used their fames to abuse vulnerable women and children are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn any involved or anyone who tried to cover it up.
Middle aged white men in paedophile rings abusing young children are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn anyone involved.
Groups of Pakistani men grooming and abusing vulnerable young girls are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn anyone involved.
I also am not afraid to say anyone who thinks the above is racist is a prick.
So that criminal gangs of white and brown men abusing children. how come the only ones identified by race or nationality are the Asians?"
I was waiting for others to stick their oar in before replying but thet disappointed me as I intentionally did something to point out double standards.
The only ones I mention religion are Catholic. Why isn't that an issue to you?
The only skin colour I mention is white. Why isn't that an issue to you? |
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By *LCCCouple
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"You only have to look on these forums to see that for some the colour of the perpetrators skin and their religion/culture when such crime's happen it allows them to vent their bigotry and attack all of that race or culture..
its narrow minded and not logical but there are amongst us people on the extreme who thrive on hatred and division..
Catholic Priests abusing young boys are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn any involved or anyone who tried to cover it up.
70's and 80's white male television and radio presenters who used their fames to abuse vulnerable women and children are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn any involved or anyone who tried to cover it up.
Middle aged white men in paedophile rings abusing young children are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn anyone involved.
Groups of Pakistani men grooming and abusing vulnerable young girls are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn anyone involved.
I also am not afraid to say anyone who thinks the above is racist is a prick.
So that criminal gangs of white and brown men abusing children. how come the only ones identified by race or nationality are the Asians?
I was waiting for others to stick their oar in before replying but thet disappointed me as I intentionally did something to point out double standards.
The only ones I mention religion are Catholic. Why isn't that an issue to you?
The only skin colour I mention is white. Why isn't that an issue to you?"
Where is the double standard? You have just pointed out incidents that have been proven in a court of law to have happened? |
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"You only have to look on these forums to see that for some the colour of the perpetrators skin and their religion/culture when such crime's happen it allows them to vent their bigotry and attack all of that race or culture..
its narrow minded and not logical but there are amongst us people on the extreme who thrive on hatred and division..
Catholic Priests abusing young boys are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn any involved or anyone who tried to cover it up.
70's and 80's white male television and radio presenters who used their fames to abuse vulnerable women and children are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn any involved or anyone who tried to cover it up.
Middle aged white men in paedophile rings abusing young children are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn anyone involved.
Groups of Pakistani men grooming and abusing vulnerable young girls are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn anyone involved.
I also am not afraid to say anyone who thinks the above is racist is a prick.
So that criminal gangs of white and brown men abusing children. how come the only ones identified by race or nationality are the Asians?
I was waiting for others to stick their oar in before replying but thet disappointed me as I intentionally did something to point out double standards.
The only ones I mention religion are Catholic. Why isn't that an issue to you?
The only skin colour I mention is white. Why isn't that an issue to you?
Where is the double standard? You have just pointed out incidents that have been proven in a court of law to have happened? "
Too intellectual for you then |
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"You only have to look on these forums to see that for some the colour of the perpetrators skin and their religion/culture when such crime's happen it allows them to vent their bigotry and attack all of that race or culture..
its narrow minded and not logical but there are amongst us people on the extreme who thrive on hatred and division..
Catholic Priests abusing young boys are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn any involved or anyone who tried to cover it up.
70's and 80's white male television and radio presenters who used their fames to abuse vulnerable women and children are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn any involved or anyone who tried to cover it up.
Middle aged white men in paedophile rings abusing young children are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn anyone involved.
Groups of Pakistani men grooming and abusing vulnerable young girls are vile and disgusting. I am not afraid to say it and condemn anyone involved.
I also am not afraid to say anyone who thinks the above is racist is a prick.
So that criminal gangs of white and brown men abusing children. how come the only ones identified by race or nationality are the Asians?
I was waiting for others to stick their oar in before replying but thet disappointed me as I intentionally did something to point out double standards.
The only ones I mention religion are Catholic. Why isn't that an issue to you?
The only skin colour I mention is white. Why isn't that an issue to you?
Where is the double standard? You have just pointed out incidents that have been proven in a court of law to have happened?
Too intellectual for you then "
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The thread has been nicely diverted by people who don't like the uncomfortable nature of what needs to be addressed.
The political behaviour that allowed the abuse in Rotherham and elsewhete to continue is still here. Sarah Champion was trying to help abused children. I hope people who support her removal are proud of themselves and think that putting more children at risk is worth the price.
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"The thread has been nicely diverted by people who don't like the uncomfortable nature of what needs to be addressed.
The political behaviour that allowed the abuse in Rotherham and elsewhete to continue is still here. Sarah Champion was trying to help abused children. I hope people who support her removal are proud of themselves and think that putting more children at risk is worth the price.
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"The thread has been nicely diverted by people who don't like the uncomfortable nature of what needs to be addressed.
The political behaviour that allowed the abuse in Rotherham and elsewhete to continue is still here. Sarah Champion was trying to help abused children. I hope people who support her removal are proud of themselves and think that putting more children at risk is worth the price.
I agree."
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"The thread has been nicely diverted by people who don't like the uncomfortable nature of what needs to be addressed.
The political behaviour that allowed the abuse in Rotherham and elsewhete to continue is still here. Sarah Champion was trying to help abused children. I hope people who support her removal are proud of themselves and think that putting more children at risk is worth the price.
I agree.
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Sarah Champion was trying to help by championing (no pun intended) more resources for police and the judiciary, more support for schools, a task force of experts to look at the problem, more support for professionals, better support for victims and an awareness campaign. She also said that the situation has been made worse by cuts to police, to education, to social workers, to courts and to the CPS?
People who support the removal of these services should think about how their actions are putting more children at risk.
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"The thread has been nicely diverted by people who don't like the uncomfortable nature of what needs to be addressed.
The political behaviour that allowed the abuse in Rotherham and elsewhete to continue is still here. Sarah Champion was trying to help abused children. I hope people who support her removal are proud of themselves and think that putting more children at risk is worth the price.
I agree.
Sarah Champion was trying to help by championing (no pun intended) more resources for police and the judiciary, more support for schools, a task force of experts to look at the problem, more support for professionals, better support for victims and an awareness campaign. She also said that the situation has been made worse by cuts to police, to education, to social workers, to courts and to the CPS?
People who support the removal of these services should think about how their actions are putting more children at risk.
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All good stuff but no mention of the perpetrators there, or tackling why it went unchecked for so long. |
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"The thread has been nicely diverted by people who don't like the uncomfortable nature of what needs to be addressed.
The political behaviour that allowed the abuse in Rotherham and elsewhete to continue is still here. Sarah Champion was trying to help abused children. I hope people who support her removal are proud of themselves and think that putting more children at risk is worth the price.
I agree.
Sarah Champion was trying to help by championing (no pun intended) more resources for police and the judiciary, more support for schools, a task force of experts to look at the problem, more support for professionals, better support for victims and an awareness campaign. She also said that the situation has been made worse by cuts to police, to education, to social workers, to courts and to the CPS?
People who support the removal of these services should think about how their actions are putting more children at risk.
All good stuff but no mention of the perpetrators there, or tackling why it went unchecked for so long."
I'm pretty sure the victims and potential victims don't care about the religion or ethnicity of the perpetrators. They jusy want it not to happen to them, or if it has to be supported. |
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"The thread has been nicely diverted by people who don't like the uncomfortable nature of what needs to be addressed.
The political behaviour that allowed the abuse in Rotherham and elsewhete to continue is still here. Sarah Champion was trying to help abused children. I hope people who support her removal are proud of themselves and think that putting more children at risk is worth the price.
I agree.
Sarah Champion was trying to help by championing (no pun intended) more resources for police and the judiciary, more support for schools, a task force of experts to look at the problem, more support for professionals, better support for victims and an awareness campaign. She also said that the situation has been made worse by cuts to police, to education, to social workers, to courts and to the CPS?
People who support the removal of these services should think about how their actions are putting more children at risk.
All good stuff but no mention of the perpetrators there, or tackling why it went unchecked for so long.
I'm pretty sure the victims and potential victims don't care about the religion or ethnicity of the perpetrators. They jusy want it not to happen to them, or if it has to be supported. "
I'm sure they want it investigating fairly and thoroughly without the political interference that constantly blights it.
Champions removal is an example of why staff in Rotherham remained quiet and the perpetrators went unstopped for so long. |
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By *LCCCouple
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"The thread has been nicely diverted by people who don't like the uncomfortable nature of what needs to be addressed.
The political behaviour that allowed the abuse in Rotherham and elsewhete to continue is still here. Sarah Champion was trying to help abused children. I hope people who support her removal are proud of themselves and think that putting more children at risk is worth the price.
I agree.
Sarah Champion was trying to help by championing (no pun intended) more resources for police and the judiciary, more support for schools, a task force of experts to look at the problem, more support for professionals, better support for victims and an awareness campaign. She also said that the situation has been made worse by cuts to police, to education, to social workers, to courts and to the CPS?
People who support the removal of these services should think about how their actions are putting more children at risk.
All good stuff but no mention of the perpetrators there, or tackling why it went unchecked for so long.
I'm pretty sure the victims and potential victims don't care about the religion or ethnicity of the perpetrators. They jusy want it not to happen to them, or if it has to be supported.
I'm sure they want it investigating fairly and thoroughly without the political interference that constantly blights it.
Champions removal is an example of why staff in Rotherham remained quiet and the perpetrators went unstopped for so long."
They do, as you will see above, that involves better training and better resources. However people keep voting for parties that cut training and cut the number of people working on preventing this, prosecuting this, and supporting victims. |
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