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UK government telling lies along withScotland's oil wealth

By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Rejoice! HMRC just found £15 billion down the back of Scotland's sofa

Tut tut remember well in 2014 when the No campaign told us that we were wrong to suggest that the UK Government was downplaying Scotland's oil wealth by assigning it to an "Unknown Region".

Now it turns out that the UK Government agrees with the yes side

Who is lying eh to try and keep Scotland in this fucked up UK union ?

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Not quite true..... people were debating the figure that the snp used for their own economic forecasts for oil... which was based on a price of 120 dollars a barrel

Today's price..... just over 50 dollars a barrel

So the question remains.. what would you have cutback on based on revenue being nowhere near

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Not quite true..... people were debating the figure that the snp used for their own economic forecasts for oil... which was based on a price of 120 dollars a barrel

Today's price..... just over 50 dollars a barrel

So the question remains.. what would you have cutback on based on revenue being nowhere near

Something I agree with you on Fabio.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Where oil is processed on rigs in the North Sea and dispatched directly to other countries, the oil does not enter the UK and therefore does not obtain any regional coding. The RTS methodology categorises this oil trade based on the location of the oil rig. This allocation also uses information from the Scottish Adjacent Waters Boundaries Order 1999. Oil imported or exported into or out of the UK via ship will be associated with a business. Trade is allocated to the region where the business is registered subject to the main allocation method outlined above.

Prior to December 2016, Oil Exports that shipped directly from the rigs were counted towards company HQs. The methodology has now been updated as stated above. This change in methodology resulted in Scotland’s allocation within RTS of the ‘Mineral Fuels’ category for 2015 to climb from £588m to £6,825m and the allocation to the ‘Unknown’ region to fall

Now ask yourself if there was fuck all dodgy before then why change the rules now?

If anyone can tell me a specific figure for England’s deficit?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

OP, do you know how much money was paid to HM Treasury last year as a result of North Sea oil?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

According to HM Treasury Scotland has a deficit of £15bn, Wales £14.7bn and NI £9.5bn. That equates to almost 60% of the total UK deficit…from around 18% of the UK population.

Either Westminster are truly generous to the devolved countries, or the Treasury are lying bastards

Oh wait Scotland's budget is being cut by a government Scotland did NOT for oh well that lies Westminster being a bunch of lying bastards

Now here is my opinion on why they have changed things now ... Its because in the not so distant future the UK will be departing the EU A big chunk of its financial sector will have buggered of elsewhere from London. The UK economy will tank

Then we will have all those people saying they should stop funding the scrounging Scottish subsidy-junkies

Scotland actually pays its way in the UK FACT!!

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"OP, do you know how much money was paid to HM Treasury last year as a result of North Sea oil? "

since the OP decided not to answer the question... maybe someone should inform them!

Britain’s North Sea oil and gas industry was a net drain on the UK’s public finances for the first time last year, as the slump in the oil price hit company profits.

The sector received £396m, net of tax payments, from the government in 2016 compared with a contribution to the exchequer of £381m the previous year, according to analysis by energy specialist Carbon Brief

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

also.... if scotland take over revenues.... they would also take over the decomission costs....

so the next question for the OP is..... how much "Conservatively" do the oil and gas comission reckon that will cost?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"OP, do you know how much money was paid to HM Treasury last year as a result of North Sea oil?

since the OP decided not to answer the question... maybe someone should inform them!

Britain’s North Sea oil and gas industry was a net drain on the UK’s public finances for the first time last year, as the slump in the oil price hit company profits.

Gold Star for you Fabio! Perhaps the OP won't be so keen on claiming all that oil when they realise it's a net drain.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"also.... if scotland take over revenues.... they would also take over the decomission costs....

so the next question for the OP is..... how much "Conservatively" do the oil and gas comission reckon that will cost? "

The figure that I saw, and debated with the OP some months ago, was £24bn.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"also.... if scotland take over revenues.... they would also take over the decomission costs....

so the next question for the OP is..... how much "Conservatively" do the oil and gas comission reckon that will cost?

The figure that I saw, and debated with the OP some months ago, was £24bn. "

Ouch. That's more than I earn in a year.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"also.... if scotland take over revenues.... they would also take over the decomission costs....

so the next question for the OP is..... how much "Conservatively" do the oil and gas comission reckon that will cost?

The figure that I saw, and debated with the OP some months ago, was £24bn. "

the Oil and Gas Authority has estimated that the clean-up could cost £47bn between now and 2050. Another study said the cost could be as high as £75bn.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"also.... if scotland take over revenues.... they would also take over the decomission costs....

so the next question for the OP is..... how much "Conservatively" do the oil and gas comission reckon that will cost?

The figure that I saw, and debated with the OP some months ago, was £24bn.

the Oil and Gas Authority has estimated that the clean-up could cost £47bn between now and 2050. Another study said the cost could be as high as £75bn."

Who is going to pay that? The oil companies?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

So do any of you above think Scottish people are subsidy junkies ? That we Scottish people take and give fuck all ?

Yet to see people come up with a good excuse to why they have changed it all now ? READ THIS and ask you why change it all now ''Where oil is processed on rigs in the North Sea and dispatched directly to other countries, the oil does not enter the UK and therefore does not obtain any regional coding. The RTS methodology categorises this oil trade based on the location of the oil rig. This allocation also uses information from the Scottish Adjacent Waters Boundaries Order 1999. Oil imported or exported into or out of the UK via ship will be associated with a business. Trade is allocated to the region where the business is registered subject to the main allocation method outlined above.

How much is England's deficit ?

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

hang on..... you were the one who started the thread on scotlands oil wealth...

it was pointed out that actually the industry was subsidised by more that it took in....

then you wander off on a tangent.....

so much for that wealth then!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The OP will answer questions in a few days. He is still busy with his hands down the back of the sofa hoping to find another brown envelope stuffed with ££££s.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

So which region are they assigning it to an "Unknown Region"?

Any of you above think Scottish people are subsidy junkies ? That we Scottish people take and give nothing ?

How much is England's deficit ?

ON what i said about about RTS why change it all now ?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"hang on..... you were the one who started the thread on scotlands oil wealth...

it was pointed out that actually the industry was subsidised by more that it took in....

then you wander off on a tangent.....

so much for that wealth then!!!!"

I think they are happier talking to themselves.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"So which region are they assigning it to an "Unknown Region"?

Any of you above think Scottish people are subsidy junkies ? That we Scottish people take and give nothing ?

How much is England's deficit ?

ON what i said about about RTS why change it all now ?

again... your arguement is all over the place...

you said they no campaign under estimated scotland oil wealth....

well..... since the industry ended up being subsidised... i think that was a fair and correct arguement to make....

the snp and the yes campaign based all their economic estimates of price of oil being 120 dollars a barrel....

people said they were being wildly optimistic... the yes campaign ended up being loud wrong! the price of a barrel of north sea brent crude at the end of play today..... $51.85

you are trying to prove a point where all the economists and the no campaign were actually right!!!!

thanks for playing.... but if the arguement is "we found more oil"... but the government are in effect having to subsidise that oil production... newsflash... that aint a win for you!!!!!

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"also.... if scotland take over revenues.... they would also take over the decomission costs....

so the next question for the OP is..... how much "Conservatively" do the oil and gas comission reckon that will cost?

The figure that I saw, and debated with the OP some months ago, was £24bn.

Ouch. That's more than I earn in a year."

Thought you were on the dole seeing as you spend your time posting on here 24/7.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"[Removed by poster at 10/08/17 22:41:17]"

yeah its probably right that you did remove that because...

1) meow.... that was a rather petty thing to say

2) pot.... kettle!!!!

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"also.... if scotland take over revenues.... they would also take over the decomission costs....

so the next question for the OP is..... how much "Conservatively" do the oil and gas comission reckon that will cost?

The figure that I saw, and debated with the OP some months ago, was £24bn.

Ouch. That's more than I earn in a year.

Thought you were on the dole seeing as you spend your time posting on here 24/7. "

You think people on the dole earn more than £24bn a year?

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"also.... if scotland take over revenues.... they would also take over the decomission costs....

so the next question for the OP is..... how much "Conservatively" do the oil and gas comission reckon that will cost?

The figure that I saw, and debated with the OP some months ago, was £24bn.

Ouch. That's more than I earn in a year.

Thought you were on the dole seeing as you spend your time posting on here 24/7.

You think people on the dole earn more than £24bn a year?

I thought you must have misread it at first and he'd put £24k

I don't think you have a job and if you do you can't do much work from the amount of posts you put on here. Weren't you one of the people complaining about low productivity in the UK economy? If you have a job then your productivity must be really low

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"also.... if scotland take over revenues.... they would also take over the decomission costs....

so the next question for the OP is..... how much "Conservatively" do the oil and gas comission reckon that will cost?

The figure that I saw, and debated with the OP some months ago, was £24bn.

Ouch. That's more than I earn in a year.

Thought you were on the dole seeing as you spend your time posting on here 24/7.

You think people on the dole earn more than £24bn a year?

I thought you must have misread it at first and he'd put £24k

And what exactly do you do?

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By *uxinteriorMan over a year ago

south west , continental

Oil! Texas tea! Black gold!

I wouldn't worry about any oil revenue as the current push is to get rid of the need for the stuff.

2040 has been suggested. Those mega conglomerate oil companies have us all by the nads too as they buy up the rights to every alternative fuel going. You can run a vehicle on water!

Now where's my flux capacitor!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Saudi Arabia is already looking to sell off the world's biggest and most profitable company, the state owned Aramco also has the world's largest reserves of oil by quite some margin, it's also amongst the cheapest to extract...

Getting into the long term oil business now is like buying into coal fields, you'd have to be remarkably idiotic!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So which region are they assigning it to an "Unknown Region"?

Any of you above think Scottish people are subsidy junkies ? That we Scottish people take and give nothing ?

How much is England's deficit ?

ON what i said about about RTS why change it all now ?

again... your arguement is all over the place...

you said they no campaign under estimated scotland oil wealth....

well..... since the industry ended up being subsidised... i think that was a fair and correct arguement to make....

the snp and the yes campaign based all their economic estimates of price of oil being 120 dollars a barrel....

people said they were being wildly optimistic... the yes campaign ended up being loud wrong! the price of a barrel of north sea brent crude at the end of play today..... $51.85

you are trying to prove a point where all the economists and the no campaign were actually right!!!!

thanks for playing.... but if the arguement is "we found more oil"... but the government are in effect having to subsidise that oil production... newsflash... that aint a win for you!!!!!

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I don't think they've "found" more oil, there just stating the difference between what's extracted and piped to the UK and what's extracted and then piped to Norway or straight into boats.

There's several reasons for doing this from being too far away from UK mainland or simply not having the right type of refinery's for it, either way the UK or Scotland don't make alot of wonga from that oil coz you don't get the tax from it entering the UK/Scotland...

What this guy has hinted at for months now is taking back the oil from the oil companies into state owned ownership and thats a different ball game altogether

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By *icklybitMan over a year ago

Ayrshire

RTS records export values per UK area. Nothing to do with allocation of tax revenue.

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By *leasure domMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

"also.... if scotland take over revenues.... they would also take over the decomission costs....

so the next question for the OP is..... how much "Conservatively" do the oil and gas comission reckon that will cost? "

We'll be able to pay those costs from the restitution bill for the billions which have been sucked out of Scotland by the treasury over the past few decades

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By *leasure domMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

Why are so many English posters on here so set against Scottish self-determination? The celtic nations have suffered 950 years of English hostility and aggression - it's time to give it a break.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"Why are so many English posters on here so set against Scottish self-determination? The celtic nations have suffered 950 years of English hostility and aggression - it's time to give it a break."

How do you feel about Shetland self-determination?

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By *icklybitMan over a year ago

Ayrshire

We did "self" determine in 2014 to remain in the UK.

Why do so many Scots forget that result?

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By *leasure domMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Why are so many English posters on here so set against Scottish self-determination? The celtic nations have suffered 950 years of English hostility and aggression - it's time to give it a break.

How do you feel about Shetland self-determination? "

Fine, if they want it. Our prosperity does not depend on oil.

I have answered your question. Would you like to answer mine?

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By *leasure domMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

"We did "self" determine in 2014 to remain in the UK.

Why do so many Scots forget that result? "

The result which was likely was usurped by the notorious Gorgon's vow - the most cynical and dishonest political manipulation since the Munich accord.

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By *icklybitMan over a year ago

Ayrshire

I do think they have the right to express an opinion on the break up of their country.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"Why are so many English posters on here so set against Scottish self-determination? The celtic nations have suffered 950 years of English hostility and aggression - it's time to give it a break.

How do you feel about Shetland self-determination?

Fine, if they want it. Our prosperity does not depend on oil.

I have answered your question. Would you like to answer mine?"

As has been mentioned above, Scotland has determined it wants to stay in the UK. It doesn't want to be a seperate country.

What if the highlands and islands wanted self-determination away from the lowlands?

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By *icklybitMan over a year ago

Ayrshire

Gorgons vow, don't make me ??

Was it also the promise from fat eck that the oil price would be $110 per barrel and "remain constant"?

As shown, he was only out by £8.2bn.

Venezuela here we come.

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By *leasure domMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Why are so many English posters on here so set against Scottish self-determination? The celtic nations have suffered 950 years of English hostility and aggression - it's time to give it a break.

How do you feel about Shetland self-determination?

Fine, if they want it. Our prosperity does not depend on oil.

I have answered your question. Would you like to answer mine?

As has been mentioned above, Scotland has determined it wants to stay in the UK. It doesn't want to be a seperate country.

What if the highlands and islands wanted self-determination away from the lowlands? "

Have you got a little list? Independence for Benbecula?

Still, it's awfully good of you to be so terribly concerned about our welfare, old bean.

The independence question will never go away and will happen, sooner or later. So as you are obviously so worked up about something which doesn't concern you and in which you have no say, wouldn't you feel better by being relaxed about the prospect of Scotland governing itself again?

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By *leasure domMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Gorgons vow, don't make me ??

Was it also the promise from fat eck that the oil price would be $110 per barrel and "remain constant"?

As shown, he was only out by £8.2bn.

Venezuela here we come. "

Venezuela, very good. Why not Montenegro? Or is Venezuela the new Montenegro in SLAB troll parlance? The things you guys tell yourselves!

FFS, next you'll be trying to tell us that the SNP brought down the Callaghan government

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"Why are so many English posters on here so set against Scottish self-determination? The celtic nations have suffered 950 years of English hostility and aggression - it's time to give it a break.

How do you feel about Shetland self-determination?

Fine, if they want it. Our prosperity does not depend on oil.

I have answered your question. Would you like to answer mine?

As has been mentioned above, Scotland has determined it wants to stay in the UK. It doesn't want to be a seperate country.

What if the highlands and islands wanted self-determination away from the lowlands?

Have you got a little list? Independence for Benbecula?

Still, it's awfully good of you to be so terribly concerned about our welfare, old bean.

So you wouldn't be happy with parts of Scotland breaking away then?

To think that it wouldn't affect the rest of the UK is naive in the extreme.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"also.... if scotland take over revenues.... they would also take over the decomission costs....

so the next question for the OP is..... how much "Conservatively" do the oil and gas comission reckon that will cost?

We'll be able to pay those costs from the restitution bill for the billions which have been sucked out of Scotland by the treasury over the past few decades"
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You've got a sense of humour if nothing else

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Why are so many English posters on here so set against Scottish self-determination? The celtic nations have suffered 950 years of English hostility and aggression - it's time to give it a break."

Actually I am not against self determination as you put it... you have a functioning parliament that gets to decide things on a local level and 95% of the things that determine how your life is is decided in Edinburgh

The issue I have are the posters who like to blame Westminster for their woes when holyrood has the power to change policy but decide not to use it

It's too easy to blame them!

I love in Newcastle and I would love us to have a regional assembly... sometimes I don't think people across the border realise how much decision made in holyrood affect us... they just think it is one way

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Why are so many English posters on here so set against Scottish self-determination? The celtic nations have suffered 950 years of English hostility and aggression - it's time to give it a break."

What have you based that assumption on?

Different views have been expressed as to whether it is financially viable but that doesn't mean those who point out x, y or z are opposed to the idea..

personally i would not wish it to happen but if that were the choice would say good luck and get on with it..

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

So let me get this right Scotland votes in 2014 and says no to independence and since then the same Scottish voters elected a party into government in Scotland that had in there manifesto to have the right to hold an independence referendum that is a clear mandate and thats democracy for you.

So because Scotland voted no in 2014 some people seem to think thats it there cant be another one you know what that sounds like eh pure dictatorship and everything you think democracy is out the window with that shite the Scottish people spoke and want another referendum .

Also Fabio the thing is yes Holyrood has devolved powers and clearly working miles and i mean miles better than Westminster Scottish NHS , Scottish econmoy , Scottish rails, education is ALL far better run here in Scotland than the rest of the UK. Scotland is still being shafted by Westminster money is not devolved to Scotland yet Scotland budget is being cut and what people think thats just ok considering Scotland didnt vote for scumbags ie the Tories can anyone genuine tell one damn thing these new 13 Tory mps have done for Scotland since the UK election in June ? Anyone ?

P.S Scotland is not a region its country

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

P.S Scotland is not a region its country

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I don't see Scotland at the Olympics... Or the UN... Or NATO... Or errr the EU

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By *icklybitMan over a year ago

Ayrshire

No, not the same Scottish voters. The referendum was the greatest demonstration of democracy in Scotland ever, with an 85% turnout and over two million people voting the stay in the UK.

To deny that vote and those people is a bloody disgrace.

A binary question, yes or no, not an election with many considerations to be taken into account.

Scotland said no and don't forget it.

And the snp lost its majority in the Holyrood elections, it also lost, 21 MP,s and half a million votes in the General Election.

The tide has turned, independence is now a turn off for voters in Scotland.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

P.S Scotland is not a region its country

I don't see Scotland at the Olympics... Or the UN... Or NATO... Or errr the EU

Ah right so by that logic would England just be a region then or is England a country ? Is Wales a country is N.Ireland ?

Fact all 4 nations in the UK are countries to call it a region is being very disrespectful to that country.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

P.S Scotland is not a region its country

I don't see Scotland at the Olympics... Or the UN... Or NATO... Or errr the EU

Ah right so by that logic would England just be a region then or is England a country ? Is Wales a country is N.Ireland ?

Fact all 4 nations in the UK are countries to call it a region is being very disrespectful to that country. "
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No it's not, it's called the truth its not my fault you can't handle the truth

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"No, not the same Scottish voters. The referendum was the greatest demonstration of democracy in Scotland ever, with an 85% turnout and over two million people voting the stay in the UK.

To deny that vote and those people is a bloody disgrace.

A binary question, yes or no, not an election with many considerations to be taken into account.

Scotland said no and don't forget it.

And the snp lost its majority in the Holyrood elections, it also lost, 21 MP,s and half a million votes in the General Election.

The tide has turned, independence is now a turn off for voters in Scotland. "

No one is denying that vote. Yes is was a no vote in 2014 move on from that since then people have voted and elected a party with a policy in their manifesto to have the right to hold a referendum and guess what people elected that party thats a mandate from the people of Scotland that is democracy is speaking there.

Right question then what do you tell people that did vote no in 2014 and want another independence referendum so that can vote yes this time round ? Bold enough to tell them to suck it up and who cares about their right to change their minds ? What are you so afraid of by allowing another one ?

Same shit excuses and moving the goalpoasts each time eh

Remember 2011 eh ? Ruth Davidson said you have to earn a independence referendum and have a majority in Holyrood correct ? Erm last time i checked there is a pro independence majority in Holyrood so by logic that referendum has been once again earned but hey unionists love to change the goalposts my opinion unionists are feart.

LOL again 35 SNP mp's out of 59 Scottish seats is a majority correct ? Unless you are trying to somehow claim 13 Scottish Tory seats is somehow winning in Scotland lmao

Also remember that UK election in June when up here in Scotland those unionist branch offices were trying hard to hoodwink people to talking about devolved issues in a UK election how fucked up is that eh ?

In your opinion only doesnt mean its fact but hey unionists are feart to allow another referendum to happen wonder why ?

The UK is fucked and many people can see brexit is going to be a disaster so why oh why would you want Scotland a country that rejected brexit to follow this brexit mess unless your ok with wanting Scotland to suffer ?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

P.S Scotland is not a region its country

I don't see Scotland at the Olympics... Or the UN... Or NATO... Or errr the EU

Ah right so by that logic would England just be a region then or is England a country ? Is Wales a country is N.Ireland ?

Fact all 4 nations in the UK are countries to call it a region is being very disrespectful to that country. .

No it's not, it's called the truth its not my fault you can't handle the truth

Right so which country is Angelsey in ?

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By *icklybitMan over a year ago

Ayrshire

You just can't seem to understand the difference between an election and a referendum, if you actually look at the votes in that election 63% went to unionist parties. Take that 63% and apply that to a binary question of a referendum and even you can't fail to see that you cannot win! The only reason you still have more MP,s is that the union vote is split between 3 parties but the separatists have only the snp. Recent polls have the snp under 30%,and we havent seen that low a figure in a while.

Have you changed your mind? No, of course not, but your arrogance presumes that others have. Polls suggest that support is waning and the recent General Election results confirm it.

Ah Brexit, we have all seen that an independence vote would have led to Scotland no longer being in the EU, it never bothered you then so why the faux concern now?

You will deny that, but I,d wager you cannot demonstrate how Scotland could have remained a member of an organisation that it is not a member of!

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Oh i see what your doing so what you seem to be doing and saying is trying to club together all the unionist votes in the UK election erm thats not how it works how much did each unionist branch office get ?

The only reason ? Erm wrong how about more people went out and voted SNP than the unionist branch offices.

Nope i have not changed my mind. Ah so are you saying people have not changed their minds on independence ? I know they have again go to youtube and type in ''JOURNEY TO YES'' and then tell me those people have not changed there minds ? So why deny them that right ?

Ah so we are back to this crap again that a yes vote in 2014 would have meant an indpendent Scotland being out of the EU is that what your saying ? So are you now boldly going to say you know for 100% how those talks with the UK and EU would have gone if Scotland voted yes ? As you do understand there would have been 2 years of talks before Scotland became independent so you 100% knew how those talks were going to then ?

Lmao erm have you heard the EU they have been very clear that if Scotland became independent Scotland could very well be fast tracked into the EU and there is no problem with that. The unionists got is so fucking wrong on the veto myth lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why are so many English posters on here so set against Scottish self-determination? The celtic nations have suffered 950 years of English hostility and aggression - it's time to give it a break."

The act of union was instigated on the back of Scotland "begging" for a union....read your history!

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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I wonder why every country that has gained its independence from the UK is not wanting to rejoin eh ?

Can anyone name an independent country than gained their independence from the UK is wanting back in ?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"I wonder why every country that has gained its independence from the UK is not wanting to rejoin eh ?

Can anyone name an independent country than gained their independence from the UK is wanting back in ? "

Now you're calling Scotland a colony!

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By *icklybitMan over a year ago

Ayrshire

As I understand the white paper, Scotgov and Salmond, it would have been 18 months not 2 years.

The proposed date was 24th March 2016.

You voted for independence, and the White Paper proposed that Scotland would have been in a currency union with the UK.

It's a condition of EU membership that members central banks should be independent, therefore in accepting the White Paper you were excluding an independent Scotland from joining the by failing to comply with chapter 17 of the acquis.

It is funny that you moan that "money is not devolved", yet you voted for independence where it still wouldn't have been "devolved". The BofE would have decided the interest and exchange rates of an indy Scotland.

That's what you voted for.

You are all over the place as usual.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"As I understand the white paper, Scotgov and Salmond, it would have been 18 months not 2 years.

The proposed date was 24th March 2016.

You voted for independence, and the White Paper proposed that Scotland would have been in a currency union with the UK.

That's what you voted for.

You are all over the place as usual.

The Scottish Parliament has had tax raising powers since day one. Can the OP tell me how many times these have been used?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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"I wonder why every country that has gained its independence from the UK is not wanting to rejoin eh ?

Can anyone name an independent country than gained their independence from the UK is wanting back in ?

Now you're calling Scotland a colony!

Where did you see me say that ?

I asked a question waiting on an answer

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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"As I understand the white paper, Scotgov and Salmond, it would have been 18 months not 2 years.

The proposed date was 24th March 2016.

You voted for independence, and the White Paper proposed that Scotland would have been in a currency union with the UK.

That's what you voted for.

You are all over the place as usual.

The Scottish Parliament has had tax raising powers since day one. Can the OP tell me how many times these have been used? "

Ah right so thats your answer so you want the Scottish government to raise tax on the Scottish people for what reason to cover Tory austerity vote winner that is eh ? Considering Scotland didnt vote Tory but has to suffer the Tories

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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"As I understand the white paper, Scotgov and Salmond, it would have been 18 months not 2 years.

The proposed date was 24th March 2016.

You voted for independence, and the White Paper proposed that Scotland would have been in a currency union with the UK.

That's what you voted for.

You are all over the place as usual.

Can move on from 2014 is getting fucking boring now lets deal with the now eh and what is the EU now saying about an independent Scotland being in the EU ? I would love to hear it from you are they saying an independent Scotland can be fast tracked into the EU ?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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Seems alot of people want the Scottish government to raise tax to cover the cuts coming from the Tories

Same with people that seem very happy for the Scottish government to keep on mitigating things like the bedroom tax instead of wanting it devolved to Scotland for the Scottish government to scrap it makes fuck all sense mitigating things that are being forced onto Scotland when Scotland doesnt vote for the Tories and you wonder why people want to break this unequal union the full thing is fucked

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By *icklybitMan over a year ago

Ayrshire

Are you just making shit up, the EU,s position is no different today as it was then. The acquis is still in force.

It's your baby, so it's for you to show that the EU will fast track Scotland.

You might get an MEP to say that, but that carries no weight. After all Farage us just an MEP and he doesn't speak for the EU any more than any other member.

Come on show us correspondence from the EU confirming an Indy Scotlands "fast tracking" into the EU.

You won't though, you will just jump to some other invented grievance instead.

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By *icklybitMan over a year ago

Ayrshire

Isn't that the point of a devolved parliament?

Doing things differently from central government.

If not, we are as well shutting it down as it's not doing what it's supposed to do.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"As I understand the white paper, Scotgov and Salmond, it would have been 18 months not 2 years.

The proposed date was 24th March 2016.

You voted for independence, and the White Paper proposed that Scotland would have been in a currency union with the UK.

That's what you voted for.

You are all over the place as usual.

The Scottish Parliament has had tax raising powers since day one. Can the OP tell me how many times these have been used?

Scotland can raise it, they can lower it.

They have had Labour governments, coalition governments and Tory government.

Each and every year, the Scottish Parliament has decided that Westminster is absolutely correct in the tax rate. So correct that the Scottish Parliament hasn't changed it by a single penny, pound or percentage. The Scottish Parliament has therefore proven that they are very happy with Westminster's handling of Scotland's finances.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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"Isn't that the point of a devolved parliament?

Doing things differently from central government.

If not, we are as well shutting it down as it's not doing what it's supposed to do. "

Ah so are you another one then that is ok for the Scottish government to keep on mitigating things like the bedroom tax ? Would you not rather if fully devolved to Scotland so the Scottish government have the power to scrap it ? Surely thats better than mitigating it when Scotland didnt vote for the Tories are are hell bend on keeping the bedroom tax

Also genuine question would you get rid of Holyrood ? And have Westminster run things in Scotland ? Mind now think carefully on your answer as you then would be saying you are ok with the Tories being in full control of everything in Scotland. How much would you trust them then ?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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"As I understand the white paper, Scotgov and Salmond, it would have been 18 months not 2 years.

The proposed date was 24th March 2016.

You voted for independence, and the White Paper proposed that Scotland would have been in a currency union with the UK.

That's what you voted for.

You are all over the place as usual.

The Scottish Parliament has had tax raising powers since day one. Can the OP tell me how many times these have been used?

Scotland can raise it, they can lower it.

They have had Labour governments, coalition governments and Tory government.

Really ? Holyrood opened in 1999 and your saying in Holyrood since 1999 there has been a Tory government which year was that ?

Yeah we have had Labour branch government in Scotland and funny how people seem to forget when the Scottish Labour branch moan their arses off about the SNP about things like being the railways into public hands then why oh why didnt Labour do it when they were in power ? Remember 1997 Labour at UK level and 1999-2007 at Scottish level and Labour didnt bring the railways into public hands in all that time but somehow have the fucking cheek to blame the SNP erm duh railways is not devolved so anyone care to guess how the SNP would put the railways into public hands if its not devolved ? Anyone ?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"As I understand the white paper, Scotgov and Salmond, it would have been 18 months not 2 years.

The proposed date was 24th March 2016.

You voted for independence, and the White Paper proposed that Scotland would have been in a currency union with the UK.

That's what you voted for.

You are all over the place as usual.

The Scottish Parliament has had tax raising powers since day one. Can the OP tell me how many times these have been used?

Scotland can raise it, they can lower it.

They have had Labour governments, coalition governments and Tory government.

Really ? Holyrood opened in 1999 and your saying in Holyrood since 1999 there has been a Tory government which year was that ?

You haven't been aware of a Tory government?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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"As I understand the white paper, Scotgov and Salmond, it would have been 18 months not 2 years.

The proposed date was 24th March 2016.

You voted for independence, and the White Paper proposed that Scotland would have been in a currency union with the UK.

That's what you voted for.

You are all over the place as usual.

The Scottish Parliament has had tax raising powers since day one. Can the OP tell me how many times these have been used?

Scotland can raise it, they can lower it.

They have had Labour governments, coalition governments and Tory government.

Really ? Holyrood opened in 1999 and your saying in Holyrood since 1999 there has been a Tory government which year was that ?

You haven't been aware of a Tory government?

Ah right you mean at UK level ? Is that same one that Scotland didnt vote for ? unless your trying to claim 13 Scottish Tory mp's out of 59 Scottish seats is somehow winning in Scotland ?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"As I understand the white paper, Scotgov and Salmond, it would have been 18 months not 2 years.

The proposed date was 24th March 2016.

You voted for independence, and the White Paper proposed that Scotland would have been in a currency union with the UK.

That's what you voted for.

You are all over the place as usual.

The Scottish Parliament has had tax raising powers since day one. Can the OP tell me how many times these have been used?

Scotland can raise it, they can lower it.

They have had Labour governments, coalition governments and Tory government.

Really ? Holyrood opened in 1999 and your saying in Holyrood since 1999 there has been a Tory government which year was that ?

You haven't been aware of a Tory government?

Ah right you mean at UK level ? Is that same one that Scotland didnt vote for ? unless your trying to claim 13 Scottish Tory mp's out of 59 Scottish seats is somehow winning in Scotland ?

Yes. Since the Scottish Parliament opened, how many times have they used their tax powers?

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By *icklybitMan over a year ago

Ayrshire

As far as taxation is concerned there is not much difference between the Scottish government and the Tory Government in Westminster.

As said earlier, what's the point of a devolved administration when its just carrying on the same policies of Central Government?

It's just another layer of expensive

bureaucracy.

Every tax cut given by Osborne was welcomed in Scotland as much as anywhere else, especially by Swinney.

In that, the snp are no different from the tories.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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"As I understand the white paper, Scotgov and Salmond, it would have been 18 months not 2 years.

The proposed date was 24th March 2016.

You voted for independence, and the White Paper proposed that Scotland would have been in a currency union with the UK.

That's what you voted for.

You are all over the place as usual.

The Scottish Parliament has had tax raising powers since day one. Can the OP tell me how many times these have been used?

Scotland can raise it, they can lower it.

They have had Labour governments, coalition governments and Tory government.

Really ? Holyrood opened in 1999 and your saying in Holyrood since 1999 there has been a Tory government which year was that ?

You haven't been aware of a Tory government?

Ah right you mean at UK level ? Is that same one that Scotland didnt vote for ? unless your trying to claim 13 Scottish Tory mp's out of 59 Scottish seats is somehow winning in Scotland ?

Yes. Since the Scottish Parliament opened, how many times have they used their tax powers? "

Yes ? So you honestly think the Scottish Tory branch winning 13 seats out of 59 Scottish seats is winning the election in Scotland ? You do know that is not the majority the SNP have the majority with 35 Scottish seats out of 59 thats called winning and having a majority and they have a triple lock mandate.

Yes your right Scotland have tax powers but what your saying is you want the Scottish government to raise tax on the Scottish tax payers to cover Tory cuts ? Also you happy to see the Scottish taxy payer pay more tax then the rest of the UK ? That doesnt seem like a family of nations and equal partnership to me

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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"As far as taxation is concerned there is not much difference between the Scottish government and the Tory Government in Westminster.

As said earlier, what's the point of a devolved administration when its just carrying on the same policies of Central Government?

It's just another layer of expensive

bureaucracy.

Every tax cut given by Osborne was welcomed in Scotland as much as anywhere else, especially by Swinney.

In that, the snp are no different from the tories. "

Well , well what you look at that you ask me a question but failed to answer mine

So again are you happy for the Scottish government to keep on mitigating the bedroom tax or would you rather it be devolved to Scotland ? YES or NO ?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

How many tangents can you go off on? The Scottish Parliament first opened under Blair, were happy with his tax plans. Then under Brown, they were happy with his tax plans, then Cameron, again, happy with his tax, now May, yet again not one single penny, pound or percentage of tax change. Therefore the Scottish Parliament is very happy with all government's tax plans.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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"How many tangents can you go off on? The Scottish Parliament first opened under Blair, were happy with his tax plans. Then under Brown, they were happy with his tax plans, then Cameron, again, happy with his tax, now May, yet again not one single penny, pound or percentage of tax change. Therefore the Scottish Parliament is very happy with all government's tax plans. "

So am i right that you want the Scottish tax payer to pay more to cover Tory cuts ? YES or NO ?

Also you happy to see the Scottish taxy payer pay more tax then the rest of the UK ? YES or NO ?

Also are you really saying winning 13 Scottish seats out of 59 Scottish seats is winning the election in Scotland ?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

So am i right that you want the Scottish tax payer to pay more to cover Tory cuts ? YES or NO ?

Also you happy to see the Scottish taxy payer pay more tax then the rest of the UK ? YES or NO ?

Also are you really saying winning 13 Scottish seats out of 59 Scottish seats is winning the election in Scotland ? "

As mentioned they can lower taxes too. Why do you ignore this?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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So am i right that you want the Scottish tax payer to pay more to cover Tory cuts ? YES or NO ?

Also you happy to see the Scottish taxy payer pay more tax then the rest of the UK ? YES or NO ?

Also are you really saying winning 13 Scottish seats out of 59 Scottish seats is winning the election in Scotland ?

As mentioned they can lower taxes too. Why do you ignore this? "

Listen come back to me when you want to answer my questions

So am i right that you want the Scottish tax payer to pay more to cover Tory cuts ? YES or NO ?

Also you happy to see the Scottish taxy payer pay more tax then the rest of the UK ? YES or NO ?

Also are you really saying winning 13 Scottish seats out of 59 Scottish seats is winning the election in Scotland ? YES or NO

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

So am i right that you want the Scottish tax payer to pay more to cover Tory cuts ? YES or NO ?

Also you happy to see the Scottish taxy payer pay more tax then the rest of the UK ? YES or NO ?

Also are you really saying winning 13 Scottish seats out of 59 Scottish seats is winning the election in Scotland ?

As mentioned they can lower taxes too. Why do you ignore this?

Listen come back to me when you want to answer my questions

So am i right that you want the Scottish tax payer to pay more to cover Tory cuts ? YES or NO ?

Also you happy to see the Scottish taxy payer pay more tax then the rest of the UK ? YES or NO ?

Also are you really saying winning 13 Scottish seats out of 59 Scottish seats is winning the election in Scotland ? YES or NO "

The Scottish Parliament has decided it wants the same spending as Labour Con/Dem and Conservative governments.

The Scottish Parliament has decided it wants Scottish people to pay exactly the same amount of tax as everyone one. Not a penny more, not a penny less.

Regarding seats, you dont seem to be able differentiate between UK wide general elections and Scottish Parliament elections.

Happy now?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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So am i right that you want the Scottish tax payer to pay more to cover Tory cuts ? YES or NO ?

Also you happy to see the Scottish taxy payer pay more tax then the rest of the UK ? YES or NO ?

Also are you really saying winning 13 Scottish seats out of 59 Scottish seats is winning the election in Scotland ?

As mentioned they can lower taxes too. Why do you ignore this?

Listen come back to me when you want to answer my questions

So am i right that you want the Scottish tax payer to pay more to cover Tory cuts ? YES or NO ?

Also you happy to see the Scottish taxy payer pay more tax then the rest of the UK ? YES or NO ?

Also are you really saying winning 13 Scottish seats out of 59 Scottish seats is winning the election in Scotland ? YES or NO

The Scottish Parliament has decided it wants the same spending as Labour Con/Dem and Conservative governments.

The Scottish Parliament has decided it wants Scottish people to pay exactly the same amount of tax as everyone one. Not a penny more, not a penny less.

Regarding seats, you dont seem to be able differentiate between UK wide general elections and Scottish Parliament elections.

Happy now? "

Not really answering it

You brought it up that the Scottish government have tax raising powers so from what i can gather from what you said is YES you would want the Scottish tax payer to pay more to cover Tory cuts am i right ? YES or NO ?

Yes i do know the difference so again are you saying the Scottish Tories winning 13 seats out of 59 Scottish seats in the UK election is somehow winning in Scotland ? FACT is not the majority

In the Holyrood election the Scottish Tories only got 31 seats out of 120 seats again thats not a majority so again they didnt win

Since you think the Scottish Tories won can name one thing they have done since June 2017 when they were elected that helps Scotland ?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

So am i right that you want the Scottish tax payer to pay more to cover Tory cuts ? YES or NO ?

Also you happy to see the Scottish taxy payer pay more tax then the rest of the UK ? YES or NO ?

Also are you really saying winning 13 Scottish seats out of 59 Scottish seats is winning the election in Scotland ?

As mentioned they can lower taxes too. Why do you ignore this?

Listen come back to me when you want to answer my questions

So am i right that you want the Scottish tax payer to pay more to cover Tory cuts ? YES or NO ?

Also you happy to see the Scottish taxy payer pay more tax then the rest of the UK ? YES or NO ?

Also are you really saying winning 13 Scottish seats out of 59 Scottish seats is winning the election in Scotland ? YES or NO

The Scottish Parliament has decided it wants the same spending as Labour Con/Dem and Conservative governments.

The Scottish Parliament has decided it wants Scottish people to pay exactly the same amount of tax as everyone one. Not a penny more, not a penny less.

Regarding seats, you dont seem to be able differentiate between UK wide general elections and Scottish Parliament elections.

Happy now?

Not really answering it

Yes i do know the difference so again are you saying the Scottish Tories winning 13 seats out of 59 Scottish seats in the UK election is somehow winning in Scotland ? FACT is not the majority

In the Holyrood election the Scottish Tories only got 31 seats out of 120 seats again thats not a majority so again they didnt win

Since you think the Scottish Tories won can name one thing they have done since June 2017 when they were elected that helps Scotland ? "

The Scottish Parliament has been around for longer than the Tory government since 2015. So it makes no sense for you to keep on about 2 years of Tory government and ignore 16 years of Labour and Coalition government. No, I am not saying that the Scottish government HAS to raise taxes, they could equally lower taxes if they wanted to. But if they are neither going to raise, or lower taxes, then its a waste of time them having the power to do so. If they dont use the powers they have, it shows that they dont need independence either.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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So am i right that you want the Scottish tax payer to pay more to cover Tory cuts ? YES or NO ?

Also you happy to see the Scottish taxy payer pay more tax then the rest of the UK ? YES or NO ?

Also are you really saying winning 13 Scottish seats out of 59 Scottish seats is winning the election in Scotland ?

As mentioned they can lower taxes too. Why do you ignore this?

Listen come back to me when you want to answer my questions

So am i right that you want the Scottish tax payer to pay more to cover Tory cuts ? YES or NO ?

Also you happy to see the Scottish taxy payer pay more tax then the rest of the UK ? YES or NO ?

Also are you really saying winning 13 Scottish seats out of 59 Scottish seats is winning the election in Scotland ? YES or NO

The Scottish Parliament has decided it wants the same spending as Labour Con/Dem and Conservative governments.

The Scottish Parliament has decided it wants Scottish people to pay exactly the same amount of tax as everyone one. Not a penny more, not a penny less.

Regarding seats, you dont seem to be able differentiate between UK wide general elections and Scottish Parliament elections.

Happy now?

Not really answering it

Yes i do know the difference so again are you saying the Scottish Tories winning 13 seats out of 59 Scottish seats in the UK election is somehow winning in Scotland ? FACT is not the majority

In the Holyrood election the Scottish Tories only got 31 seats out of 120 seats again thats not a majority so again they didnt win

Since you think the Scottish Tories won can name one thing they have done since June 2017 when they were elected that helps Scotland ?

So you dont want people to pay more tax in Scotland to cover Tory cuts is that what your saying ? YES or NO?

Here is a question for you do you think the Scottish government should keep on mitigating the bedroom tax or do you think that should be devolved to Scotland so the Scottish government have the power the scrap it ?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

So am i right that you want the Scottish tax payer to pay more to cover Tory cuts ? YES or NO ?

Also you happy to see the Scottish taxy payer pay more tax then the rest of the UK ? YES or NO ?

Also are you really saying winning 13 Scottish seats out of 59 Scottish seats is winning the election in Scotland ?

As mentioned they can lower taxes too. Why do you ignore this?

Listen come back to me when you want to answer my questions

So am i right that you want the Scottish tax payer to pay more to cover Tory cuts ? YES or NO ?

Also you happy to see the Scottish taxy payer pay more tax then the rest of the UK ? YES or NO ?

Also are you really saying winning 13 Scottish seats out of 59 Scottish seats is winning the election in Scotland ? YES or NO

The Scottish Parliament has decided it wants the same spending as Labour Con/Dem and Conservative governments.

The Scottish Parliament has decided it wants Scottish people to pay exactly the same amount of tax as everyone one. Not a penny more, not a penny less.

Regarding seats, you dont seem to be able differentiate between UK wide general elections and Scottish Parliament elections.

Happy now?

Not really answering it

Yes i do know the difference so again are you saying the Scottish Tories winning 13 seats out of 59 Scottish seats in the UK election is somehow winning in Scotland ? FACT is not the majority

In the Holyrood election the Scottish Tories only got 31 seats out of 120 seats again thats not a majority so again they didnt win

Since you think the Scottish Tories won can name one thing they have done since June 2017 when they were elected that helps Scotland ?

So you dont want people to pay more tax in Scotland to cover Tory cuts is that what your saying ? YES or NO?

Why are you so obsessed with "Tory cuts"? 16 out of 18 years of the Scottish Parliament hasn't been a pure Tory government?

If the Scottish Parliament doesn't want the bedroom tax, fine, but then they've got to pay for it.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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So am i right that you want the Scottish tax payer to pay more to cover Tory cuts ? YES or NO ?

Also you happy to see the Scottish taxy payer pay more tax then the rest of the UK ? YES or NO ?

Also are you really saying winning 13 Scottish seats out of 59 Scottish seats is winning the election in Scotland ?

As mentioned they can lower taxes too. Why do you ignore this?

Listen come back to me when you want to answer my questions

So am i right that you want the Scottish tax payer to pay more to cover Tory cuts ? YES or NO ?

Also you happy to see the Scottish taxy payer pay more tax then the rest of the UK ? YES or NO ?

Also are you really saying winning 13 Scottish seats out of 59 Scottish seats is winning the election in Scotland ? YES or NO

The Scottish Parliament has decided it wants the same spending as Labour Con/Dem and Conservative governments.

The Scottish Parliament has decided it wants Scottish people to pay exactly the same amount of tax as everyone one. Not a penny more, not a penny less.

Regarding seats, you dont seem to be able differentiate between UK wide general elections and Scottish Parliament elections.

Happy now?

Not really answering it

Yes i do know the difference so again are you saying the Scottish Tories winning 13 seats out of 59 Scottish seats in the UK election is somehow winning in Scotland ? FACT is not the majority

In the Holyrood election the Scottish Tories only got 31 seats out of 120 seats again thats not a majority so again they didnt win

Since you think the Scottish Tories won can name one thing they have done since June 2017 when they were elected that helps Scotland ?

So you dont want people to pay more tax in Scotland to cover Tory cuts is that what your saying ? YES or NO?

Why are you so obsessed with "Tory cuts"? 16 out of 18 years of the Scottish Parliament hasn't been a pure Tory government?

If the Scottish Parliament doesn't want the bedroom tax, fine, but then they've got to pay for it."

Why dont i want Tory cuts forced onto Scotland ? Erm maybe just maybe because Scotland didnt vote for a Tory government correct ? So please by all means why should a country that didnt vote for the Tories get forced with Tory cuts ?

Which year were the Tories elected in Holyrood ?

So you agree then that the bedroom tax should be devolved to Scotland instead of the Scottish government having to mitigate a Tory policy when Scotland didnt vote for the Tories ? See how utter crazy it is

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By *icklybitMan over a year ago

Ayrshire

You accept the Tory Government tax cuts though, knowing full well that if revenue is not raised, then it cannot be spent.

So why did a country that did not vote for tory tax cuts be forced into accepting these tory tax cuts?

Ludicrous argument about devolving the bedroom tax, if it was scrapped, where would the money to pay for it come from?

The owners of the property would still want the rent paid and if its not the tenant, then who pays?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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"You accept the Tory Government tax cuts though, knowing full well that if revenue is not raised, then it cannot be spent.

So why did a country that did not vote for tory tax cuts be forced into accepting these tory tax cuts?

Ludicrous argument about devolving the bedroom tax, if it was scrapped, where would the money to pay for it come from?

The owners of the property would still want the rent paid and if its not the tenant, then who pays? "

Hello!! those Tory cuts are being forced onto Scotland by the the Tories then you have the unionists claim its SNP cuts really i dont know about you but in 2015 i witnessed the SNP vote against those cuts and Labour sat on there arses and abstained on those cuts so by fucking god they aint no SNP cuts thats for damn sure!!!

LMAO you do know about the underspend money in Scotland ? So the true colours are coming out of the hardcore unionists wanting our Scottish government to mitigate Tory cuts i call that sick!

Doesnt shock me really Red and Blue Tories cant tell them apart as it was a Labour policy the bedroom tax and the Tories agreed with it and brought it in

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"You accept the Tory Government tax cuts though, knowing full well that if revenue is not raised, then it cannot be spent.

So why did a country that did not vote for tory tax cuts be forced into accepting these tory tax cuts?

Ludicrous argument about devolving the bedroom tax, if it was scrapped, where would the money to pay for it come from?

The owners of the property would still want the rent paid and if its not the tenant, then who pays?

LMAO you do know about the underspend money in Scotland ? So the true colours are coming out of the hardcore unionists wanting our Scottish government to mitigate Tory cuts i call that sick!

Doesnt shock me really Red and Blue Tories cant tell them apart as it was a Labour policy the bedroom tax and the Tories agreed with it and brought it in"

Are you talking about Tory tax cuts, or Tory spending cuts?

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By *icklybitMan over a year ago

Ayrshire

That's my point, they accept the tax cuts (kerrching) knowing that revenue not raised is revenue that can't be spent.

I,m pretty sure the Scottish government budget wasn't cut this year, but it is the Scottish government that has cut the budgets of councils in Scotland.

Any austerity in Scotland is snp austerity.

The tartan tories are alive and well, and are in control of Holyrood.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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"You accept the Tory Government tax cuts though, knowing full well that if revenue is not raised, then it cannot be spent.

So why did a country that did not vote for tory tax cuts be forced into accepting these tory tax cuts?

Ludicrous argument about devolving the bedroom tax, if it was scrapped, where would the money to pay for it come from?

The owners of the property would still want the rent paid and if its not the tenant, then who pays?

LMAO you do know about the underspend money in Scotland ? So the true colours are coming out of the hardcore unionists wanting our Scottish government to mitigate Tory cuts i call that sick!

Doesnt shock me really Red and Blue Tories cant tell them apart as it was a Labour policy the bedroom tax and the Tories agreed with it and brought it in

Are you talking about Tory tax cuts, or Tory spending cuts? "

What are you now somehow going to tell me am wrong on seeing the Tory welfare cuts not pass through with the help of 184 Labour mps now ?

Also you now somehow going to say am wrong that SNP didnt vote against those cuts ?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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"That's my point, they accept the tax cuts (kerrching) knowing that revenue not raised is revenue that can't be spent.

I,m pretty sure the Scottish government budget wasn't cut this year, but it is the Scottish government that has cut the budgets of councils in Scotland.

Any austerity in Scotland is snp austerity.

The tartan tories are alive and well, and are in control of Holyrood. "

Oh really so before the Scottish council elections did you not see the SNP clearly say that councils will be incharge of raising tax ? Funny how Labour wanted to raise tax but when in April there councils before they were wiped out had the power to raise tax and guess what Glasgow council that was Labour run decided to freeze the tax not find that weird ?

Nope any austerity in Scotland is Tory austerity

Oh also yes you are correct and the SNP have been in control of Holyrood since 2007 must be doing something right to have the voters trust eh

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By *icklybitMan over a year ago

Ayrshire

"What are you now somehow going to tell me am wrong on seeing the Tory welfare cuts not pass through with the help of 184 Labour mps now ?"

Help? How did they "help" the Tories?

By "help", do you mean abstain?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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""What are you now somehow going to tell me am wrong on seeing the Tory welfare cuts not pass through with the help of 184 Labour mps now ?"

Help? How did they "help" the Tories?

By "help", do you mean abstain?

Yes

Labour could have voted against those cuts correct ? But 184 Labour mps abstained and allowed those welfare cuts to go ahead

Where as the 56 SNP mps ALL voted against the cuts there is no way you can deny that

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By *icklybitMan over a year ago

Ayrshire

So here you are moaning about the Scottish government having to mitigate tory cuts, because that's the evil tories doing.

And now you say the councils should mitigate cuts imposed on them by the snp Scottish government, but that's good cuts because they are snp cuts.

But that's fine and dandy.

snp imposed austerity is OK according to you.

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By *icklybitMan over a year ago

Ayrshire

An abstention is not actually helping at all.

And it wouldn't have made any difference if they voted against it anyway.

You do know what abstaining means?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"You accept the Tory Government tax cuts though, knowing full well that if revenue is not raised, then it cannot be spent.

So why did a country that did not vote for tory tax cuts be forced into accepting these tory tax cuts?

Ludicrous argument about devolving the bedroom tax, if it was scrapped, where would the money to pay for it come from?

The owners of the property would still want the rent paid and if its not the tenant, then who pays?

LMAO you do know about the underspend money in Scotland ? So the true colours are coming out of the hardcore unionists wanting our Scottish government to mitigate Tory cuts i call that sick!

Doesnt shock me really Red and Blue Tories cant tell them apart as it was a Labour policy the bedroom tax and the Tories agreed with it and brought it in

Are you talking about Tory tax cuts, or Tory spending cuts?

What are you now somehow going to tell me am wrong on seeing the Tory welfare cuts not pass through with the help of 184 Labour mps now ?

Also you now somehow going to say am wrong that SNP didnt vote against those cuts ?

I asked you are you talking about tax cuts or spending cuts

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

P.S Scotland is not a region its country

I don't see Scotland at the Olympics... Or the UN... Or NATO... Or errr the EU

Ah right so by that logic would England just be a region then or is England a country ? Is Wales a country is N.Ireland ?

Fact all 4 nations in the UK are countries to call it a region is being very disrespectful to that country. .

No it's not, it's called the truth its not my fault you can't handle the truth

Right so which country is Angelsey in ? "
.

Britain

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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P.S Scotland is not a region its country

I don't see Scotland at the Olympics... Or the UN... Or NATO... Or errr the EU

Ah right so by that logic would England just be a region then or is England a country ? Is Wales a country is N.Ireland ?

Fact all 4 nations in the UK are countries to call it a region is being very disrespectful to that country. .

No it's not, it's called the truth its not my fault you can't handle the truth

Right so which country is Angelsey in ? .

Britain

Yes British isles but which country as there is fuck all country called Britain ? You do know that right that Britain is an island and the UK is a union for 4 countries

So i ask again which country is Angelsey in ?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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"So here you are moaning about the Scottish government having to mitigate tory cuts, because that's the evil tories doing.

And now you say the councils should mitigate cuts imposed on them by the snp Scottish government, but that's good cuts because they are snp cuts.

But that's fine and dandy.

snp imposed austerity is OK according to you."

Read again the SNP gave Labour councils the power to raise tax and considering Labour were the ones in Scotland that put it in their manifesto to raise tax and when they have the power to do that in their Labour run council the shite a brick and agreed with the SNP freeze on tax

So are you saying Labour just should have not bothered there arse on voting against those welfare cuts ? 184 Labour mps sat on their arses and abstained that go and vote against those welfare cuts is that now something to be proud about ?

Again SNP voted against those cuts is there is no way you can deny that can you say the same about Labour voting against those cuts ?

Who do you honestly think is standing up for Scotland ?

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By *icklybitMan over a year ago

Ayrshire

And doesnt the Scottish government have the power to raise tax, you criticise one but not the other. Cant you see how hypocritical you look right now?

No Im not saying that, what you said was that they helped the tories when in fact they did not, they did not oppose them either, they abstained. It was you, not for the first time, that deliberately attempted to mislead, thats what I,m saying.

When it comes to cuts to the budgets of councils in Scotland, the blame lies only with the snp Scottish government. Which is hardly standing up for Scotland when we all know that services will be reduced due to unnecessary snp imposed austerity at a time when Holyroods budget has increased.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just to clear something up..many EU countries spoke out. saying would be no fast track for Scotland. They would have to wait in line like everyone else. Spain would be one country that springs to mind as standing against Scotland jumping into EU. They have to wait like any other. Actually it takes years to become a member and all members of EU would have to agree, yet very few EU countries do agree, so your argument is blown out water even before independence has become. It won't happen now anyway the intelligent people of Scotland want to stay as UK. Only the thick idiots who preach shite want to leave. Ain't that always been the way. I'm surprised you not brought William Wallace

into this, but see someone already went on about Celtic heritage, not even Scottish

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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"And doesnt the Scottish government have the power to raise tax, you criticise one but not the other. Cant you see how hypocritical you look right now?

So are you honestly going to say you want the Scottish tax payer to pay more tax to cover Tory cuts ?

Am just pointing out that SNP gave those Labour councils the power to raise tax and considering Scottish Labour put it in their manifesto to raise tax and when they had the power to do it they shat a brick and kept with the freeze.

Same Scottish Labour that attacked the SNP on shortage of teachers but we all know the councils are incharge of hiring and firing teachers Scottish Labour think the Scottish people are daft and cant wokr shit out

By abstaining Labour allowed those welfare cuts to pass without challenging it and thats another reason why Labour are being punished for abstaining on those welfare cuts pretty much saying to people that are disabled Labour dont care about them. So yes Labour helped the Tories let those welfare cuts pass

Just like Labour helped the Tories pass on leaving the single market but strange eh because Scottish Labour leader Kezia Dugdale told everyone in Scotland Scottish Labour would support the SNP on retaining the EU and single market membership funny that as those newly elected Scottish Labour mp's voted against the single market. Getting the picture yet why Labour in Scotland are not to be trusted ?

Nope by saying that you are defending and letting the Tories off with their cuts being passed onto Scotland.

Right since you dont think SNP are standing up for Scotland please by all means are you bold enough to name one that you think is standing up for Scotland ? Humor me and name one if you can lol

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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into this, but see someone already went on about Celtic heritage, not even Scottish

Oh god here we go with this so called que to join the EU lmao

FACT there is no que to join the EU you either meet the critrea or you dont simple as that there is NO que

Also there is NO Spain veto on an independent Scotland being in the EU.

Ah right good eh so you have just pretty much called everyone that is for independence for Scotland dumb as fuck well done.

Difference is with me i just think no voters were mislead by the unionist parties and i dont think any of you are dumb or thick showing the true unionist colours of the nasty side of the hardcore unionist.

Oh aye its all to do with Willam Wallace fuck sake lol So by that same logic is the UK all about the queen then lmao

You made me night am pissing myself laughing at that comment

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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p.s

I should correct it by saying yes all 27 independent countries in the EU do have veto's but if Scotland were to vote YES to independence do you honestly think Spain would veto or any other country would veto a country that had a democratic vote in a referendum and voted YES it would be utter madness

Now i could see the point if Scotland used UDI and wanted to join the EU then maybe the EU countries could veto it by saying they dont see Scotland as independent as it only just declared it but didnt do it by a democratic vote

Why were you all sucked in to believing the Spain veto myth. I had some laugh that day the EU made it clear there is NO Spain veto on Scottish independence but there is a Spain veto on Gibralter lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

into this, but see someone already went on about Celtic heritage, not even Scottish

Oh god here we go with this so called que to join the EU lmao

FACT there is no que to join the EU you either meet the critrea or you dont simple as that there is NO que

Also there is NO Spain veto on an independent Scotland being in the EU.

Ah right good eh so you have just pretty much called everyone that is for independence for Scotland dumb as fuck well done.

Oh aye its all to do with Willam Wallace fuck sake lol So by that same logic is the UK all about the queen then lmao

You made me night am pissing myself laughing at that comment

yeah you made all of us in the house laugh to at your comments through...since your first post.

Just to correct you, spain did vito scotland on joining eu, however just at the start of 2017, april Im sure they said they would no longer vito it. The reality is you know very little of eu anyway. how will scotland afford to pay for being part of eu?

The poisoned dwarf is not out for people of scotland, shes out for personal gains and make a name for herself...like she the one who brought it about. is no wonder the roads are fucked all over scotland and the education system has gone down the toilet, still you live in a dream world.

LONG LIVE GREAT BRITAIN. THE UK

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

This is fucking hilarious.

Let's swap out a few words here:

Read again the UK GOVERNMENT gave THE SCOTTISH PARLIAMENT the power to raise tax and considering SNP were the ones in Scotland that put it in their manifesto to NEED TAX RAISING POWERS and when they have the power to do that in their PARLIAMENT they shite a brick and agreed with the LABOUR, COALITION AND TORY taxes

I know you will completely blind to the irony, but your post really is hilarious