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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
So who is winning this war of bravado?
watching this war of words is fascinating... it's like seeing who blocks first
And the irony is that the us got a huge win in the United Nations over the increased sanctions before trump opened his mouth! |
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"We will soon see n koreas response to his fire and fury statement ,immediately start planning missile launch for later this week. Its a massive game of chicken i just hope someone swerves"
They said overnight the plan is to fire some to land "30-40 km" short of Guam
This means a few things
1) it uses one of their shorter more reliable weapons
2) even if it's off target nk can claim the win
3) long enough to prove a point, but not actually threaten.. daring the us to try and shoot it down
4) of the us miss, nk claims the win... if the us do shoot it down, nk prove their point
Kim out trumps trump by basically calling their shot |
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I think Trump is spoiling for a fight. It makes for a great distraction from his corruption, obstruction of justice and treason problems. In fact I think the only way he can stay in power is through war and he does not care how many lives it costs to stay in power provided his is not one of the lives lost.
The bottom line is Trump is now doing to America what he has been doing to the businesses he has run over decades. Systematically enriched himself by running the businesses into the ground and defrauding their clients and suppliers. The problem is that now his clients and suppliers are the rest of the world and the tools of false accounting and corporate fraud has been replaced with treason and war. |
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At a point in a developing crisis where the POTUS could and should have shown a semblance of statesmanship whilst being firm in his resolve as a 'leader' of a country being threatened to protect his citizens by someone like Kim, Trump failed..
instead he acted in a similar fashion and gave the NK hierarchy the footage to back up their own propaganda ..
is no one advising him or is he just not listening again..? |
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By *omaMan
over a year ago
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I'm thinking that maybe, just maybe, the U.S. will make a selective, heavy and accurate strike on various military communication and rocket installations.
I'm guessing they'll wait until NK does attempt to carry out its threat on Guam.
Kim better have his tin hat ready cause this will be like the SHOCK and AWE we saw in Baghdad.
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"I'm thinking that maybe, just maybe, the U.S. will make a selective, heavy and accurate strike on various military communication and rocket installations.
I'm guessing they'll wait until NK does attempt to carry out its threat on Guam.
Kim better have his tin hat ready cause this will be like the SHOCK and AWE we saw in Baghdad.
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where the Americans destroyed the ministry for irrigation and other and left the ministry for oil standing?
aside from that i think the USA will only retaliate if missiles hit their own soil..
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
If I was trump now.... I would get out a map and see just how far out us territorial waters go around Guam... it's normally goes out as far as 200km
Because 30 to 40km out is way too close for comfort
I think if you are trump you now almost have to say that if anything lands in us waters... it will perceived to be an act of war...
I don't see how diplomacy can now get trump big mouth out of this |
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"If I was trump now.... I would get out a map and see just how far out us territorial waters go around Guam... it's normally goes out as far as 200km
Because 30 to 40km out is way too close for comfort
I think if you are trump you now almost have to say that if anything lands in us waters... it will perceived to be an act of war...
I don't see how diplomacy can now get trump big mouth out of this "
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He's not handled it great but let's face facts nobody before him could deal with Kim either, the guys a tool from a family of tools who've all been asking for it for fucking decades.
Seems like there gonna get what they been asking for so meh, who cares if it were trump or Obama or Clinton pressing the button? |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"trump now doubling down... saying that maybe "fire and fury" wasn't strong enough language....
this has basically turned into a dick swinging contest!!"
There was a great political cartoon I saw with Trump and Jong Un facing off, both naked with nukes instead of cocks, comparing size. Pretty accurate.
One thing I was wondering though, If NK do fire at Guam, does that mean that the UK as a part of NATO now get dragged into this dick swinging contest? Would be kind of ironic given Trumps comments on NATO.
-Matt |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"trump now doubling down... saying that maybe "fire and fury" wasn't strong enough language....
this has basically turned into a dick swinging contest!!
There was a great political cartoon I saw with Trump and Jong Un facing off, both naked with nukes instead of cocks, comparing size. Pretty accurate.
One thing I was wondering though, If NK do fire at Guam, does that mean that the UK as a part of NATO now get dragged into this dick swinging contest? Would be kind of ironic given Trumps comments on NATO.
-Matt"
It's not automatic, it requires America to invoke article 5 of the NATO treaty, and a unanimous vote of the North Atlantic Council. However its likely that would happen. The only NATO country that has ever invoked article 5 is the US after 9/11 |
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By *omaMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"All this shit only justifies North Korea's efforts to aquire nuclear weapons.
The primary factor being securing their territory"
NK has secure territory, they are the ones putting unrelenting pressure and intimidation on SK. . .they do this sheltering under China's umbrella.
U.S is the one protecting SK, and always will do.
Kim is the one doing all the pushing here. He's playing one he'll of a dangerous game of "Wind Up" with Trump . . . he wants Trump to strike first to justify his own military stance.
Will he get his wish? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"All this shit only justifies North Korea's efforts to aquire nuclear weapons.
The primary factor being securing their territory
NK has secure territory, they are the ones putting unrelenting pressure and intimidation on SK. . .they do this sheltering under China's umbrella.
U.S is the one protecting SK, and always will do.
Kim is the one doing all the pushing here. He's playing one he'll of a dangerous game of "Wind Up" with Trump . . . he wants Trump to strike first to justify his own military stance.
Will he get his wish?"
I did see an article that said NK understands clearly that toal repression, regardless of economic and social cost, is the only thing keeping their country going and they're p'd off at the west for making them do that instead of leaving them to run tbeir country.
China doesn't want the USA SK etc on their border but will they defend NK militarily snd if so to what extent.
Trump isn't helping and brinksmanship cock swinging isn't the way forward. The only way forward is get China to do the dirty.
Just my humble opinion 
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"All this shit only justifies North Korea's efforts to aquire nuclear weapons.
The primary factor being securing their territory"
Which justifies America's repsonse, and around and around we go. |
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
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Where's Frankie goes to Hollywood when you need him!
Better start dusting off my geiger counter, buying more tinned food, bottled water and making ready the cellar.
Those North Korean leaders are completely nuts anyhow! Just imagine the obese kid sat in his palace eating McDonald's having his greasy knob sucked by one of his whores, he is probably choking on his big Mac laughing at the shit he is stirring!
The only country to support is the South Koreans to mobilise and go and sort out the North, liberate the suffering masses.
There should be a united front from the United nations to sort the mess out that is the Korean peninsula. But it's not going to happen as the UN are in the pockets of some far more sinister funders and string pullers. |
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"There should be a united front from the United nations to sort the mess out that is the Korean peninsula. But it's not going to happen as the UN are in the pockets of some far more sinister funders and string pullers."
There is you du********!
It is not the USA that protects South Korea it's the UN and has been since 1950! And by the way the Korean war never ended, all there has ever been is a ceasefire that has been broken regularly on the orders of the Kims over decades. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Seen on the news, China will support NK if tbe USA start anything but not if NK start it.
So as stated above if trump is successfully provoked then.. Well.. A hopefully limited regional may happen.
Not happy with them gaining nuclear weapons so just have to hope he won't use em..
Surely thkugh, if NK had nuclear capabilities, they'd feel more secure and so ease off being so aggressive and nervous? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Seen on the news, China will support NK if tbe USA start anything but not if NK start it.
So as stated above if trump is successfully provoked then.. Well.. A hopefully limited regional may happen.
Not happy with them gaining nuclear weapons so just have to hope he won't use em..
Surely thkugh, if NK had nuclear capabilities, they'd feel more secure and so ease off being so aggressive and nervous? "
Unfortanley this thinking leads to nuclear proliferaction.Every tin pot dictator wants the bomb.Its not a good idea to allow it . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Seen on the news, China will support NK if tbe USA start anything but not if NK start it.
So as stated above if trump is successfully provoked then.. Well.. A hopefully limited regional may happen.
Not happy with them gaining nuclear weapons so just have to hope he won't use em..
Surely thkugh, if NK had nuclear capabilities, they'd feel more secure and so ease off being so aggressive and nervous?
Unfortanley this thinking leads to nuclear proliferaction.Every tin pot dictator wants the bomb.Its not a good idea to allow it ."
Trouble is he's got the ability. China will have to get off the fence in that case.
Only a matter of time before they have it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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China won't get involved ! They are too rich and have too much to lose now !
Snag is Kim's Mad and got nowt to lose , he would let his country burn and hide in a bunker , then claim a great Victory ! A good Sniper is the best option !
I doubt thier is a queue to take his place !
It's not a religious or ideology regime ! |
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"Failing leaders typically resort to warfare to prop up their support and egos, as well as good smoke and mirrors .
If his family have invested in weaponry stocks, it would be no surprise at all"
True...
But in typical trump bullying fashion as soon as he realises his bluff is being called he looks for someone else to attack and divert attention away from how much of a cowardly shit the draught dodger really is. So now not only is he threatening NK but he is also focusing on Venezuela. The man is a bully and a total disgrace to the office of POTUS. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Let's strip this back and look at it simply.
Kim is the only one testing nukes and missiles.
Kim is the only one threatening a first strike on another countries sovereign soil.
Trump/US have eventually managed to push through (effective?) UN sanctions which China/USSR have not tried to block.
Trump is stating what retaliation may/will happen if Kim strikes first.
China have said that in such a situation they would step back and take a neutral stance.
I see the problem lies with Kim and not with Trump. As POTUS his prime objective is to defend US territory. Any president faced with a first strike from Kim would have no other option. His choice of words and use of twitter may seem provocative....but it is just the method of delivering the same message as any other leader would send. |
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
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"Let's strip this back and look at it simply.
Kim is the only one testing nukes and missiles.
Kim is the only one threatening a first strike on another countries sovereign soil.
Trump/US have eventually managed to push through (effective?) UN sanctions which China/USSR have not tried to block.
Trump is stating what retaliation may/will happen if Kim strikes first.
China have said that in such a situation they would step back and take a neutral stance.
I see the problem lies with Kim and not with Trump. As POTUS his prime objective is to defend US territory. Any president faced with a first strike from Kim would have no other option. His choice of words and use of twitter may seem provocative....but it is just the method of delivering the same message as any other leader would send."
actually you are normally good morpork.... on this occasion though a lot of what you said is not quite true...
you said kim was the only one testing missiles... not correct... between kims 2 icbm tests, the US actually conducted an icbm test of their own....
with regard to first strike... the US have always reserved the right to first strike if NK didn't comply with sanctions.....
the difference this time is that NK basically called their shot and told people what the plan was....
actually this crisis is all on Trump as the timing is all wrong as the US had gotten a major diplomacy win at the UN with regards to tightening sanctions... china and russia could have abstained or veto'd... they both voted for!
and then trump opened his mouth..... and doubled down.... and doubled down again.... and doubled down again....
the man won't shut up... and even when tillerson has tried to tone it down a level... he still wont shut up!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Guess the US missile test didn't make my newsfeed. Stand corrected if I missed that!
Kim's threat to fire at Guam seems to have been as a consequence of the new sanctions.
After that US hands pretty much tied. They have to spell out the consequences.... though, as always a Trump could have chosen his words more wisely! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Let's strip this back and look at it simply.
Kim is the only one testing nukes and missiles.
Kim is the only one threatening a first strike on another countries sovereign soil.
Trump/US have eventually managed to push through (effective?) UN sanctions which China/USSR have not tried to block.
Trump is stating what retaliation may/will happen if Kim strikes first.
China have said that in such a situation they would step back and take a neutral stance.
I see the problem lies with Kim and not with Trump. As POTUS his prime objective is to defend US territory. Any president faced with a first strike from Kim would have no other option. His choice of words and use of twitter may seem provocative....but it is just the method of delivering the same message as any other leader would send.
actually you are normally good morpork.... on this occasion though a lot of what you said is not quite true...
you said kim was the only one testing missiles... not correct... between kims 2 icbm tests, the US actually conducted an icbm test of their own....
with regard to first strike... the US have always reserved the right to first strike if NK didn't comply with sanctions.....
the difference this time is that NK basically called their shot and told people what the plan was....
actually this crisis is all on Trump as the timing is all wrong as the US had gotten a major diplomacy win at the UN with regards to tightening sanctions... china and russia could have abstained or veto'd... they both voted for!
and then trump opened his mouth..... and doubled down.... and doubled down again.... and doubled down again....
the man won't shut up... and even when tillerson has tried to tone it down a level... he still wont shut up!!"
...Did Obama ever use this sort of rhetoric towards NK. |
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
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"Did Obama ever use this sort of rhetoric towards NK."
as in being as confrontational as trump.... nope...
obama basically followed the policy trying to engage with NK as set out originally by Bush 1.... and then followed by clinton, bush 2 and then obama.... which was to try and get them to pull back via the "6 nations" group (the US, NK, Russia, China, Japan and South Korea)
the issue i had is that only 2 days before Trump went in with the bluster the US got the massive win in the UN!!! its not like he gave it time to work......
and for timeline purposes, the NK guam plan came after the first lot of trump statements..... |
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"Did Obama ever use this sort of rhetoric towards NK.
as in being as confrontational as trump.... nope...
obama basically followed the policy trying to engage with NK as set out originally by Bush 1.... and then followed by clinton, bush 2 and then obama.... which was to try and get them to pull back via the "6 nations" group (the US, NK, Russia, China, Japan and South Korea)
the issue i had is that only 2 days before Trump went in with the bluster the US got the massive win in the UN!!! its not like he gave it time to work......
and for timeline purposes, the NK guam plan came after the first lot of trump statements....."
...In April 2016..after another missile test by NK...Obama warned NK....."We could destroy your country with our nuclear arsenal." |
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"Back to the here and now, that Trump and Tillerson are basically talking at different levels just what sort of mess is it in the White House..?
How long is Tillerson going to stay? "
Trump like Hitler thrives on being at the centre of a storm and just like Hitler if you really want him to do one thing go out and say the opposite in public. The chaos and uncertainty that Trump surrounds himself with feeds his ego, and makes him feel superhuman, he is addicted to it and like any junkie does not care what damage they cause provided they can feed their addiction. (My opinion only folks.) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Fingers x'd NK will take more note of sanctions and hopefully china,( even tbough relations between them are cool at the moment) rather than trump's mouth.
Does trump though, have the last say in any military action?
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By (user no longer on site)
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Judt a matter of time before NK aquire nuclear weapons.
Will sanctions force his hand, or will they have to be invaded premptivley at the cost of high casualties? |
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