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Again he is asked to condemn the actions of the Dictator running the country, and again he dodges it.
Marxism there has failed, and now more and more of the politicians from the opposition have been arrested for opposing various power grabs that the government have made.
Why does Corbyn refuse to condemn these actions? Is he that entrenched in his convictions that even this wont shake him? |
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"Again he is asked to condemn the actions of the Dictator running the country, and again he dodges it.
Marxism there has failed, and now more and more of the politicians from the opposition have been arrested for opposing various power grabs that the government have made.
Why does Corbyn refuse to condemn these actions? Is he that entrenched in his convictions that even this wont shake him?"
He did condemn them |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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Corbyn and his cronies are Marxists and trying to get in to government by pretending to be labour.
I reckon he probably wishes that he was a left wing dictator here,I hope it never happens |
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He continues to avoid condemning Maduro personally.
Big mistake. Not just in tactical terms, but also because there can be no moral equivocation on the humanitarian and democratic crisis in Venezuela. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Again he is asked to condemn the actions of the Dictator running the country, and again he dodges it.
Marxism there has failed, and now more and more of the politicians from the opposition have been arrested for opposing various power grabs that the government have made.
Why does Corbyn refuse to condemn these actions? Is he that entrenched in his convictions that even this wont shake him?
He did condemn them "
He did, I can't see what the fuss is about. Perhaps it's got something to do with TM not having had to form a coalition with any Venezuelans? |
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"Again he is asked to condemn the actions of the Dictator running the country, and again he dodges it.
Marxism there has failed, and now more and more of the politicians from the opposition have been arrested for opposing various power grabs that the government have made.
Why does Corbyn refuse to condemn these actions? Is he that entrenched in his convictions that even this wont shake him?
He did condemn them
He did, I can't see what the fuss is about. Perhaps it's got something to do with TM not having had to form a coalition with any Venezuelans? "
Well i saw the interview he did condemning all sides in the violence that's going on....to say he hasn't is just lies....oh and btw some are blaming the Americans for this ....maybe they want there grubby fingers on the OIL thats there....just a thought  |
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"He continues to avoid condemning Maduro personally.
Big mistake. Not just in tactical terms, but also because there can be no moral equivocation on the humanitarian and democratic crisis in Venezuela."
Just a couple of years ago Corbyn was shouting it from the rooftops (to anyone who bothered to listen to him then) how Venezuela was the new light in the world for socialism and would grow to become the perfect blueprint for other countries for how socialism should work in a country. Since then the situation has gone from bad to worse in Venezuela, to the point now where people are starving, rummaging around in bins for food, supermarkets and shops ransacked and shelves empty, massive daily queues by the population for the most basic of handouts, riots on the streets and running battles with police. Political opponents of the ruling socialist party eliminated, murdered or locked up. It's at the point now where the country is on the brink of full blown civil war. This is what socialism does to a country unchecked and this is what would happen to Britain under far left socialism if Corbyn ever became Prime Minister here. He's gone silent on Venezuela now a stark Contrast to him telling anyone and everyone about how great Venezuela was going to be a couple of years ago. Is he ashamed of how Venezuela turned out or is it that he just doesn't want people to know now what a monumental fuck up far left socialism does to a country. |
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"Corbin condemned the violence from wherever quarter it came, but refused to condemn Maduro.
Very telling."
Yes very.
He (Corbyn) also wen't on a Venezuelan radio phone in with Maduro singing his praises to the rafters. |
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"Again he is asked to condemn the actions of the Dictator running the country, and again he dodges it.
Marxism there has failed, and now more and more of the politicians from the opposition have been arrested for opposing various power grabs that the government have made.
Why does Corbyn refuse to condemn these actions? Is he that entrenched in his convictions that even this wont shake him?
He did condemn them "
He was asked to condemn the leader of the govt, instead he did the same as when he was asked to condemn the IRA, he just dodged it and said he condemned violence by all sides. |
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"Again he is asked to condemn the actions of the Dictator running the country, and again he dodges it.
Marxism there has failed, and now more and more of the politicians from the opposition have been arrested for opposing various power grabs that the government have made.
Why does Corbyn refuse to condemn these actions? Is he that entrenched in his convictions that even this wont shake him?"
He condemned the actions in Venezuela not in Venuzeala... Venuzeala must be on another planet. |
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Mmmmm! All of a sudden all these bleeding hearts so concerned about the people of Venezuela and their social problems. Probably the real reason is to bad mouth corbyn, and the millions of people who voted for the Labour party manifesto. |
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"Again he is asked to condemn the actions of the Dictator running the country, and again he dodges it.
Marxism there has failed, and now more and more of the politicians from the opposition have been arrested for opposing various power grabs that the government have made.
Why does Corbyn refuse to condemn these actions? Is he that entrenched in his convictions that even this wont shake him?
He did condemn them
He did, I can't see what the fuss is about. Perhaps it's got something to do with TM not having had to form a coalition with any Venezuelans?
Well i saw the interview he did condemning all sides in the violence that's going on....to say he hasn't is just lies....oh and btw some are blaming the Americans for this ....maybe they want there grubby fingers on the OIL thats there....just a thought "
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No not really Venezuelan oil is in general very heavy oil, the us doesn't even have refinery's to refine their own heavy oil and even the little capacity they have can't cope.
However keeping Venezuelan oil off the world market would be much handier |
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"Could be worse he could have the same relationship thatcher had with the brutal dictator pinochet.At least their not BFFs.  "
I didnt hear or see Mrs May condemn him either....i heard a spokesman from no10 did....just another stick to try to beat him with im guessing |
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"He continues to avoid condemning Maduro personally.
Big mistake. Not just in tactical terms, but also because there can be no moral equivocation on the humanitarian and democratic crisis in Venezuela.
Just a couple of years ago Corbyn was shouting it from the rooftops (to anyone who bothered to listen to him then) how Venezuela was the new light in the world for socialism and would grow to become the perfect blueprint for other countries for how socialism should work in a country. Since then the situation has gone from bad to worse in Venezuela, to the point now where people are starving, rummaging around in bins for food, supermarkets and shops ransacked and shelves empty, massive daily queues by the population for the most basic of handouts, riots on the streets and running battles with police. Political opponents of the ruling socialist party eliminated, murdered or locked up. It's at the point now where the country is on the brink of full blown civil war. This is what socialism does to a country unchecked and this is what would happen to Britain under far left socialism if Corbyn ever became Prime Minister here. He's gone silent on Venezuela now a stark Contrast to him telling anyone and everyone about how great Venezuela was going to be a couple of years ago. Is he ashamed of how Venezuela turned out or is it that he just doesn't want people to know now what a monumental fuck up far left socialism does to a country. "
Your wrong yet again wonder what you would say if it was your pal farage |
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"He continues to avoid condemning Maduro personally.
Big mistake. Not just in tactical terms, but also because there can be no moral equivocation on the humanitarian and democratic crisis in Venezuela.
Just a couple of years ago Corbyn was shouting it from the rooftops (to anyone who bothered to listen to him then) how Venezuela was the new light in the world for socialism and would grow to become the perfect blueprint for other countries for how socialism should work in a country. Since then the situation has gone from bad to worse in Venezuela, to the point now where people are starving, rummaging around in bins for food, supermarkets and shops ransacked and shelves empty, massive daily queues by the population for the most basic of handouts, riots on the streets and running battles with police. Political opponents of the ruling socialist party eliminated, murdered or locked up. It's at the point now where the country is on the brink of full blown civil war. This is what socialism does to a country unchecked and this is what would happen to Britain under far left socialism if Corbyn ever became Prime Minister here. He's gone silent on Venezuela now a stark Contrast to him telling anyone and everyone about how great Venezuela was going to be a couple of years ago. Is he ashamed of how Venezuela turned out or is it that he just doesn't want people to know now what a monumental fuck up far left socialism does to a country.
Your wrong yet again wonder what you would say if it was your pal farage "
Hes always wrong... |
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"He continues to avoid condemning Maduro personally.
Big mistake. Not just in tactical terms, but also because there can be no moral equivocation on the humanitarian and democratic crisis in Venezuela.
Just a couple of years ago Corbyn was shouting it from the rooftops (to anyone who bothered to listen to him then) how Venezuela was the new light in the world for socialism and would grow to become the perfect blueprint for other countries for how socialism should work in a country. Since then the situation has gone from bad to worse in Venezuela, to the point now where people are starving, rummaging around in bins for food, supermarkets and shops ransacked and shelves empty, massive daily queues by the population for the most basic of handouts, riots on the streets and running battles with police. Political opponents of the ruling socialist party eliminated, murdered or locked up. It's at the point now where the country is on the brink of full blown civil war. This is what socialism does to a country unchecked and this is what would happen to Britain under far left socialism if Corbyn ever became Prime Minister here. He's gone silent on Venezuela now a stark Contrast to him telling anyone and everyone about how great Venezuela was going to be a couple of years ago. Is he ashamed of how Venezuela turned out or is it that he just doesn't want people to know now what a monumental fuck up far left socialism does to a country.
Your wrong yet again wonder what you would say if it was your pal farage "
What part was wrong? |
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"Could be worse he could have the same relationship thatcher had with the brutal dictator pinochet.At least their not BFFs.
I didnt hear or see Mrs May condemn him either....i heard a spokesman from no10 did....just another stick to try to beat him with im guessing "
Key difference is Mrs May never praised him in the first place the way Corbyn did a couple of years ago. |
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"He continues to avoid condemning Maduro personally.
Big mistake. Not just in tactical terms, but also because there can be no moral equivocation on the humanitarian and democratic crisis in Venezuela.
Just a couple of years ago Corbyn was shouting it from the rooftops (to anyone who bothered to listen to him then) how Venezuela was the new light in the world for socialism and would grow to become the perfect blueprint for other countries for how socialism should work in a country. Since then the situation has gone from bad to worse in Venezuela, to the point now where people are starving, rummaging around in bins for food, supermarkets and shops ransacked and shelves empty, massive daily queues by the population for the most basic of handouts, riots on the streets and running battles with police. Political opponents of the ruling socialist party eliminated, murdered or locked up. It's at the point now where the country is on the brink of full blown civil war. This is what socialism does to a country unchecked and this is what would happen to Britain under far left socialism if Corbyn ever became Prime Minister here. He's gone silent on Venezuela now a stark Contrast to him telling anyone and everyone about how great Venezuela was going to be a couple of years ago. Is he ashamed of how Venezuela turned out or is it that he just doesn't want people to know now what a monumental fuck up far left socialism does to a country.
Your wrong yet again wonder what you would say if it was your pal farage
What part was wrong?"
You'll be lucky to get any kind of detailed answer from those 2 trolls on this thread, as they always give the most basic and simple answers like "your wrong" without any kind of explanation as to why they think someone is wrong. They can't even get a 'your wrong' reply right as the correct English would be 'you're wrong'. Of course when they are not giving simple minded basic answers then you'll find them dishing out abuse and calling people names who happen to disagree with them. |
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Anyone notice the rank hypocrisy here and in our media? JC has to condemn every bad act in every country round the world even tho he is not involved with them in any way and is then accused of failing to denounce government violence because he always denounces all violence (maybe something to do with his principles, that). But TM gets to sell arms to the Saudis who publicly behead regime opponents and use the weapons we supply in their genocidal war against the Shias in Yemen without the same fuss. Licks the arse of Turkeys autocratic president who jails journalists, and has her Trade Secretary go to the Philippines looking for a trade deal with President Duterte (another autocrat who uses murder to enforce his rule) without any media or right wing uproar.
Guess it is one rule for alt right neo nazis and another for socialists...  |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Again he is asked to condemn the actions of the Dictator running the country, and again he dodges it.
Marxism there has failed, and now more and more of the politicians from the opposition have been arrested for opposing various power grabs that the government have made.
Why does Corbyn refuse to condemn these actions? Is he that entrenched in his convictions that even this wont shake him?
He did condemn them
He was asked to condemn the leader of the govt, instead he did the same as when he was asked to condemn the IRA, he just dodged it and said he condemned violence by all sides."
It's funny how those questions have died down since the Tories had to pay £billions to bribe the DUP isnt it? |
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"Anyone notice the rank hypocrisy here and in our media? JC has to condemn every bad act in every country round the world even tho he is not involved with them in any way and is then accused of failing to denounce government violence because he always denounces all violence (maybe something to do with his principles, that). But TM gets to sell arms to the Saudis who publicly behead regime opponents and use the weapons we supply in their genocidal war against the Shias in Yemen without the same fuss. Licks the arse of Turkeys autocratic president who jails journalists, and has her Trade Secretary go to the Philippines looking for a trade deal with President Duterte (another autocrat who uses murder to enforce his rule) without any media or right wing uproar.
Guess it is one rule for alt right neo nazis and another for socialists... "
The point about JC and this particular country is this... for a long time, JC lauded this Marxist state as a blueprint for how it can be done, how leftie ideology can work, and how the govt of the day was going to improve this and improve that, he even went on the radio with the President to tell him what a wonderful guy he was and what a great job he was doing... fast forward a couple of years and the country is in the shitter, mass poverty, people scavenging out of bin bags for food, the economy has tanked, and the govt is locking up anyone who dares to oppose them.
JC needs to stand up, grow a spine and admit that he was wrong. |
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"Again he is asked to condemn the actions of the Dictator running the country, and again he dodges it.
Marxism there has failed, and now more and more of the politicians from the opposition have been arrested for opposing various power grabs that the government have made.
Why does Corbyn refuse to condemn these actions? Is he that entrenched in his convictions that even this wont shake him?
He did condemn them "
He so didn't. He said all violence is wrong (about 3 seconds) then spent 5 minutes condemning the protesters violence.
He is an out and out, died in the wool Marxist. |
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Why should corbyn condemn the madura government. It is a democratically elected government who are facing economic ans social sabotage from right wing fascist thugs who have murdered people and are attempting to overthrow the government. Madura has made mistakes but what state doesn't, the rich and powerful hate anything which seeks to redress the inequality between themselves and the poor. I know whose side I'm on and its not yours. |
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Do the Tories condemn the brutality of the Saudi regime and their use of military weapons against civilian targets in the Yemen?
They don't only not condemn it, the Saudis are out largest arms sale. Our weapons are being used against civilians in the Yemen yet the outrage is in Venezuala more? Why? Because it is a right.wing coup.against a leftist (although repressive to an extent) regime.
When was the last time you heard such outrage about suppression of a left wing uprising against a.right wing regime?
Let's get things in perspective here. Maduro shouldn't be using violence, but the success of a right wing US backed coup will do the people of Venezuela no favours at all! |
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Just think of the arms sales that May is pushing through.
She flew straight from.shaking Trumps hand earlier this year to Turkey to complete the sale of fighter jets to President Erdogan!!! Where was your outrage then?? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Just think of the arms sales that May is pushing through.
She flew straight from.shaking Trumps hand earlier this year to Turkey to complete the sale of fighter jets to President Erdogan!!! Where was your outrage then??"
She didn't sell or broker any such deal to Turkey.
Turkey flies American F16s. |
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"Just think of the arms sales that May is pushing through.
She flew straight from.shaking Trumps hand earlier this year to Turkey to complete the sale of fighter jets to President Erdogan!!! Where was your outrage then??
She didn't sell or broker any such deal to Turkey.
Turkey flies American F16s."
So there wasnt a $100m deal then???
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/28/theresa-may-signs-100m-fighter-jet-deal-with-turkeys-erdogan
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Just think of the arms sales that May is pushing through.
She flew straight from.shaking Trumps hand earlier this year to Turkey to complete the sale of fighter jets to President Erdogan!!! Where was your outrage then??
She didn't sell or broker any such deal to Turkey.
Turkey flies American F16s.
So there wasnt a $100m deal then???
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/28/theresa-may-signs-100m-fighter-jet-deal-with-turkeys-erdogan
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That's a collaboration and maintenance deal. The UK is not supplying Typhoon fighter jets to Turkey as stated.
Turkey has been a NATO member since 1952. |
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"That's a collaboration and maintenance deal. The UK is not supplying Typhoon fighter jets to Turkey as stated.
Turkey has been a NATO member since 1952."
That makes it OK then does it?
How do you justify the deals with Saudi? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"That's a collaboration and maintenance deal. The UK is not supplying Typhoon fighter jets to Turkey as stated.
Turkey has been a NATO member since 1952.
That makes it OK then does it?
How do you justify the deals with Saudi?"
My opinions count for nothing.
Ban arms sales if you like. Then find employment for the tens of thousands of highly skilled and highly paid workers in the sector.
Then when you've done that, watch as the USA, or Russia, or France, or even China sells these people the arms that they want. |
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"My opinions count for nothing.
Ban arms sales if you like. Then find employment for the tens of thousands of highly skilled and highly paid workers in the sector.
Then when you've done that, watch as the USA, or Russia, or France, or even China sells these people the arms that they want."
And there is your answer and the choice you would offer, arm those who supply arms to the people trying to kill our forces, or "sack 'em all!"
How come you did not consider banning arms sales and employing those same workers to arm our forces rather than buying foreign made equipment for our forces? In fact why not expand our armed forces and create even more jobs housing, feeding, clothing and equipping them? |
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over a year ago
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"My opinions count for nothing.
Ban arms sales if you like. Then find employment for the tens of thousands of highly skilled and highly paid workers in the sector.
Then when you've done that, watch as the USA, or Russia, or France, or even China sells these people the arms that they want.
And there is your answer and the choice you would offer, arm those who supply arms to the people trying to kill our forces, or "sack 'em all!"
How come you did not consider banning arms sales and employing those same workers to arm our forces rather than buying foreign made equipment for our forces? In fact why not expand our armed forces and create even more jobs housing, feeding, clothing and equipping them? "
Because I've been there and done that.
I lost my career 30 years ago, because of the peace dividend and the various nuances of the UK defence industry.
The problem is the development costs always screw the project over. That's why "off the shelf" solutions will always prevail. |
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"Because I've been there and done that.
I lost my career 30 years ago, because of the peace dividend and the various nuances of the UK defence industry.
The problem is the development costs always screw the project over. That's why "off the shelf" solutions will always prevail."
Ah right...
So Thatcher cut your job in the late 80's when she decided to cut the Armed Forces at the same time cutting everything else, that has led us to were we are today with the armed forces a paper tiger, the NHS collapsing in front of our eyes, our roads crumbling under our feet, 10's if not hundreds of thousands maybe even millions of hidden homeless and living with parents in their 30's because they cant afford to buy or rent a home of their own, more millions relying on charity to eat, social mobility returning to the levels of the 17th and 18th centuries and the gap between the richest and poorest widening by the year.
And your answer...
More of the same...
You sir, like many, astound me with your total refusal to admit that you are being led in the totally wrong direction and we need to do a swift about turn before we all find ourselves living in thrall to some uber wealthy neo aristocrat with power of life and death on a whim over us because we are all indentured (slave) labour. Because that is where we are heading at the moment. |
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over a year ago
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"Because I've been there and done that.
I lost my career 30 years ago, because of the peace dividend and the various nuances of the UK defence industry.
The problem is the development costs always screw the project over. That's why "off the shelf" solutions will always prevail.
Ah right...
So Thatcher cut your job in the late 80's when she decided to cut the Armed Forces at the same time cutting everything else, that has led us to were we are today with the armed forces a paper tiger, the NHS collapsing in front of our eyes, our roads crumbling under our feet, 10's if not hundreds of thousands maybe even millions of hidden homeless and living with parents in their 30's because they cant afford to buy or rent a home of their own, more millions relying on charity to eat, social mobility returning to the levels of the 17th and 18th centuries and the gap between the richest and poorest widening by the year.
And your answer...
More of the same...
You sir, like many, astound me with your total refusal to admit that you are being led in the totally wrong direction and we need to do a swift about turn before we all find ourselves living in thrall to some uber wealthy neo aristocrat with power of life and death on a whim over us because we are all indentured (slave) labour. Because that is where we are heading at the moment."
That's a lot of words there!
When the Berlin Wall came down, did we need an army in Germany?
When technology gave us advanced weapons systems, did we need squadrons of bombers?
I lost my career in the UK defence industry for many reasons, some valid and some political. I had no say in either. |
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"Why should corbyn condemn the madura government. It is a democratically elected government who are facing economic ans social sabotage from right wing fascist thugs who have murdered people and are attempting to overthrow the government. Madura has made mistakes but what state doesn't, the rich and powerful hate anything which seeks to redress the inequality between themselves and the poor. I know whose side I'm on and its not yours."
Made a few mistakes!!!
People are dying, not from "right wing thugs" but from fucking starvation
The country is skint, broke, bankrupt, up shit creek without a paddle. Are you for real? do you really believe that?
"A few mistakes" is like saying that Hitler had a slight mishap with his gas cooker  |
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"That's a lot of words there!
When the Berlin Wall came down, did we need an army in Germany?
When technology gave us advanced weapons systems, did we need squadrons of bombers?
I lost my career in the UK defence industry for many reasons, some valid and some political. I had no say in either."
Wow! You really are thick when it comes to defence matters!
Do we need bomber squadrons? Of course we do! Do we need fighter squadrons, too bloody right we do! Do we need a large enough standing army that we don't burn out our troops by having them continually stagging on, absolutely! Do we need a Navy large enough to protect our territorial waters and our merchant marine around the globe, guess the answer!
A fighter does not make a good bombing platform (it does not have the capability to carry the bomb load) a bomber does not make a good fighter because to carry a reasonable bomb load and deliver it on target it has to be big and stable. Not characteristics wanted in a fighter platform. So both are needed. And we need lots of fighter! To quote Herman "Even a Spitfire can't be in two places at once." Having Tornados scrambling and having to cross the mainland at supersonic speeds to intercept incoming potentially hostile aircraft is ludacris. We should have enough aircraft to be able to maintain enough sentry patrols in international airspace to be able to inspect or stop any potential threat before it enters UK airspace.
Having read the above you should be able to work out for yourself the reasons why hollow armies and navies (especially for a global trading island like us) are also required, so I won't bother spoonfeeding that to you. But all our forces are dangerously undermanned and under equipped, and our arms industry is in reality non existent. God help us if anyone decides to launch a serious coordinated attack on us! |
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"Made a few mistakes!!!
People are dying, not from "right wing thugs" but from fucking starvation
The country is skint, broke, bankrupt, up shit creek without a paddle. Are you for real? do you really believe that?
"A few mistakes" is like saying that Hitler had a slight mishap with his gas cooker "
Now are you talking about Venezuela or the UK? Because everything you have just said applies to the UK too. |
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"Made a few mistakes!!!
People are dying, not from "right wing thugs" but from fucking starvation
The country is skint, broke, bankrupt, up shit creek without a paddle. Are you for real? do you really believe that?
"A few mistakes" is like saying that Hitler had a slight mishap with his gas cooker
Now are you talking about Venezuela or the UK? Because everything you have just said applies to the UK too. "
Bloody hell!! Is it that bad in the UK? I didn't realise that people were rummaging in bins for food or forming queues for leftover scraps yet. Is the minimum wage down to $30 a month? |
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"That's a lot of words there!
When the Berlin Wall came down, did we need an army in Germany?
When technology gave us advanced weapons systems, did we need squadrons of bombers?
I lost my career in the UK defence industry for many reasons, some valid and some political. I had no say in either.
Wow! You really are thick when it comes to defence matters!
Do we need bomber squadrons? Of course we do! Do we need fighter squadrons, too bloody right we do! Do we need a large enough standing army that we don't burn out our troops by having them continually stagging on, absolutely! Do we need a Navy large enough to protect our territorial waters and our merchant marine around the globe, guess the answer!
A fighter does not make a good bombing platform (it does not have the capability to carry the bomb load) a bomber does not make a good fighter because to carry a reasonable bomb load and deliver it on target it has to be big and stable. Not characteristics wanted in a fighter platform. So both are needed. And we need lots of fighter! To quote Herman "Even a Spitfire can't be in two places at once." Having Tornados scrambling and having to cross the mainland at supersonic speeds to intercept incoming potentially hostile aircraft is ludacris. We should have enough aircraft to be able to maintain enough sentry patrols in international airspace to be able to inspect or stop any potential threat before it enters UK airspace.
Having read the above you should be able to work out for yourself the reasons why hollow armies and navies (especially for a global trading island like us) are also required, so I won't bother spoonfeeding that to you. But all our forces are dangerously undermanned and under equipped, and our arms industry is in reality non existent. God help us if anyone decides to launch a serious coordinated attack on us!"
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"Just think of the arms sales that May is pushing through.
She flew straight from.shaking Trumps hand earlier this year to Turkey to complete the sale of fighter jets to President Erdogan!!! Where was your outrage then??
She didn't sell or broker any such deal to Turkey.
Turkey flies American F16s.
So there wasnt a $100m deal then???
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/28/theresa-may-signs-100m-fighter-jet-deal-with-turkeys-erdogan
That's a collaboration and maintenance deal. The UK is not supplying Typhoon fighter jets to Turkey as stated.
Turkey has been a NATO member since 1952."
My point is that, yet again, we have done a deal with a dodgy regime.... |
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"Vague, leading post from op.
Cite sources and keep hyperbole to a minimum, so that posts are at least a little credible op"
Vague?
Are you sure you are reading the right post lol?
Sources?
It was all over the news, others who have posted on this thread have seen it too, it wasn't some obscure piece dug up from 20 years ago, buried in the archives, it was on the 10 o'clock news lol.
Hyperbole? (exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.)
Please point out where I have exaggerated?
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"Again he is asked to condemn the actions of the Dictator running the country, and again he dodges it.
Marxism there has failed, and now more and more of the politicians from the opposition have been arrested for opposing various power grabs that the government have made.
Why does Corbyn refuse to condemn these actions? Is he that entrenched in his convictions that even this wont shake him?"
Nicolás Maduro who was democratically elected, has been declared a Dictator by the USA, because he won't play ball and have been influencing unrest and disorder to get rid of him.
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"Again he is asked to condemn the actions of the Dictator running the country, and again he dodges it.
Marxism there has failed, and now more and more of the politicians from the opposition have been arrested for opposing various power grabs that the government have made.
Why does Corbyn refuse to condemn these actions? Is he that entrenched in his convictions that even this wont shake him?
He did condemn them
He did, I can't see what the fuss is about. Perhaps it's got something to do with TM not having had to form a coalition with any Venezuelans?
Well i saw the interview he did condemning all sides in the violence that's going on....to say he hasn't is just lies....oh and btw some are blaming the Americans for this ....maybe they want there grubby fingers on the OIL thats there....just a thought "
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"Just think of the arms sales that May is pushing through.
She flew straight from.shaking Trumps hand earlier this year to Turkey to complete the sale of fighter jets to President Erdogan!!! Where was your outrage then??
She didn't sell or broker any such deal to Turkey.
Turkey flies American F16s.
So there wasnt a $100m deal then???
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/28/theresa-may-signs-100m-fighter-jet-deal-with-turkeys-erdogan
That's a collaboration and maintenance deal. The UK is not supplying Typhoon fighter jets to Turkey as stated.
Turkey has been a NATO member since 1952.
My point is that, yet again, we have done a deal with a dodgy regime...."
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"Again he is asked to condemn the actions of the Dictator running the country, and again he dodges it.
Marxism there has failed, and now more and more of the politicians from the opposition have been arrested for opposing various power grabs that the government have made.
Why does Corbyn refuse to condemn these actions? Is he that entrenched in his convictions that even this wont shake him?"
OP you and others have made much of JC's unwillingness to condemn only the Venezuelan government. Maybe you would like to now give us your views on May's governments refusal to suspend the export licences she has granted that are being used to sell the arms to Venezuela that are being used by that government to kill it's own people?
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https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/11/uk-criticised-over-sales-of-military-equipment-to-venezuela
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"Again he is asked to condemn the actions of the Dictator running the country, and again he dodges it.
Marxism there has failed, and now more and more of the politicians from the opposition have been arrested for opposing various power grabs that the government have made.
Why does Corbyn refuse to condemn these actions? Is he that entrenched in his convictions that even this wont shake him?
OP you and others have made much of JC's unwillingness to condemn only the Venezuelan government. Maybe you would like to now give us your views on May's governments refusal to suspend the export licences she has granted that are being used to sell the arms to Venezuela that are being used by that government to kill it's own people?
Source:
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/11/uk-criticised-over-sales-of-military-equipment-to-venezuela
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Well she's as Bad if not Worse than Corbyn then !!!!
Perhaps they are NOT so Different !!!
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"Again he is asked to condemn the actions of the Dictator running the country, and again he dodges it.
Marxism there has failed, and now more and more of the politicians from the opposition have been arrested for opposing various power grabs that the government have made.
Why does Corbyn refuse to condemn these actions? Is he that entrenched in his convictions that even this wont shake him?
OP you and others have made much of JC's unwillingness to condemn only the Venezuelan government. Maybe you would like to now give us your views on May's governments refusal to suspend the export licences she has granted that are being used to sell the arms to Venezuela that are being used by that government to kill it's own people?
Source:
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/11/uk-criticised-over-sales-of-military-equipment-to-venezuela
Well she's as Bad if not Worse than Corbyn then !!!!
Perhaps they are NOT so Different !!!
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There is a clear difference between Theresa May and Corbyn though in that Theresa May never praised the regime in Venezuela to begin with. Corbyn was singing the praises of this vile Venezuelan regime for a long time and so surely the onus is now more on him to condemn it. |
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"Just think of the arms sales that May is pushing through.
She flew straight from.shaking Trumps hand earlier this year to Turkey to complete the sale of fighter jets to President Erdogan!!! Where was your outrage then??
She didn't sell or broker any such deal to Turkey.
Turkey flies American F16s.
So there wasnt a $100m deal then???
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/28/theresa-may-signs-100m-fighter-jet-deal-with-turkeys-erdogan
That's a collaboration and maintenance deal. The UK is not supplying Typhoon fighter jets to Turkey as stated.
Turkey has been a NATO member since 1952.
My point is that, yet again, we have done a deal with a dodgy regime....
Can you recall a deal between the EU and Turkey recently........? "
Yes of course I can. That doesn't excuse us doing a deal though does it?? Just because everyone is at it, it doesn't suddenly become acceptable..... |
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"Again he is asked to condemn the actions of the Dictator running the country, and again he dodges it.
Marxism there has failed, and now more and more of the politicians from the opposition have been arrested for opposing various power grabs that the government have made.
Why does Corbyn refuse to condemn these actions? Is he that entrenched in his convictions that even this wont shake him?
OP you and others have made much of JC's unwillingness to condemn only the Venezuelan government. Maybe you would like to now give us your views on May's governments refusal to suspend the export licences she has granted that are being used to sell the arms to Venezuela that are being used by that government to kill it's own people?
Source:
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/11/uk-criticised-over-sales-of-military-equipment-to-venezuela
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A bullet is a bullet, whether it comes from an M16, and AK47 or An L85A2. lots of countries in the West, in fact from all over, sell weapons to all sorts of regimes, from leftie Marxists, to ultra-nationalists, and those on the right, so it seems a bit pointless singling out May in this regard,... and some of those deals would have been carried over from when Blair, Brown etc were in power.
If Corbyn had got in this time round, do you think he wouldn't have signed those deals? |
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Right, so lets see if I have this right:
Because JC praised and supported the former (now dead) President of Venezuela when he kicked corrupt US corporations out of his country that means he supports the present President...
Supporting a dead man in his struggle against the worlds primary superpower is justification for smearing him now.
Consistently speaking out against all violence regardless of where it occurs is support for terror.
Selling bombs, bullets and weapons to repressive regimes is not as bad as speaking out against violence.
And finally it is a reasonable defence to a charge of look what the person you support is doing to say 'there is no proof that the person we are attacking would not have done the same'.
The whole premise of this defence is straw men standing on the backs of straw giants and attempting make it sound virtuous. |
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JC has actually praised Madura in person.
JC was asked to condemn the actions of the current govt led by Madura, which include locking up opposition politicians and the use of violence against demonstrators. |
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"JC has actually praised Madura in person.
JC was asked to condemn the actions of the current govt led by Madura, which include locking up opposition politicians and the use of violence against demonstrators."
And he did condemn it |
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"JC has actually praised Madura in person.
JC was asked to condemn the actions of the current govt led by Madura, which include locking up opposition politicians and the use of violence against demonstrators.
And he did condemn it"
No, he didn't, he was asked to condemn Madura, and instead he dodged it.... I got deja-vu Ffs |
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"JC has actually praised Madura in person.
JC was asked to condemn the actions of the current govt led by Madura, which include locking up opposition politicians and the use of violence against demonstrators.
And he did condemn it
No, he didn't, he was asked to condemn Madura, and instead he dodged it.... I got deja-vu Ffs "
How did he dodge it? Got a quote? |
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"JC has actually praised Madura in person.
JC was asked to condemn the actions of the current govt led by Madura, which include locking up opposition politicians and the use of violence against demonstrators.
And he did condemn it
No, he didn't, he was asked to condemn Madura, and instead he dodged it.... I got deja-vu Ffs
How did he dodge it? Got a quote?"
Ffs, don't you watch the news?
He was specifically asked to condemn Madura, and he instead condemned violence, which is fine, but he was again asked and he again refused to condemn him. |
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By *LCCCouple
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"JC has actually praised Madura in person.
JC was asked to condemn the actions of the current govt led by Madura, which include locking up opposition politicians and the use of violence against demonstrators.
And he did condemn it
No, he didn't, he was asked to condemn Madura, and instead he dodged it.... I got deja-vu Ffs
How did he dodge it? Got a quote?
Ffs, don't you watch the news?
He was specifically asked to condemn Madura, and he instead condemned violence, which is fine, but he was again asked and he again refused to condemn him."
Oh, so no quote then? |
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"JC has actually praised Madura in person.
JC was asked to condemn the actions of the current govt led by Madura, which include locking up opposition politicians and the use of violence against demonstrators.
And he did condemn it
No, he didn't, he was asked to condemn Madura, and instead he dodged it.... I got deja-vu Ffs
How did he dodge it? Got a quote?
Ffs, don't you watch the news?
He was specifically asked to condemn Madura, and he instead condemned violence, which is fine, but he was again asked and he again refused to condemn him.
Oh, so no quote then? "
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"JC has actually praised Madura in person.
JC was asked to condemn the actions of the current govt led by Madura, which include locking up opposition politicians and the use of violence against demonstrators.
And he did condemn it
No, he didn't, he was asked to condemn Madura, and instead he dodged it.... I got deja-vu Ffs
How did he dodge it? Got a quote?
Ffs, don't you watch the news?
He was specifically asked to condemn Madura, and he instead condemned violence, which is fine, but he was again asked and he again refused to condemn him."
Corbyn condemned the violence 'on all sides' in Venezuela which is a remarkably similar position to Trump saying he condemned the violence in America 'on many sides' in recent days . Funny how lefties cry foul and berate Trump though when Trump pretty much took the same line and stance as Corbyn by condemning 'all sides'. Corbyn can get away with it but Trump can't, go figure. |
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"JC has actually praised Madura in person.
JC was asked to condemn the actions of the current govt led by Madura, which include locking up opposition politicians and the use of violence against demonstrators.
And he did condemn it
No, he didn't, he was asked to condemn Madura, and instead he dodged it.... I got deja-vu Ffs
How did he dodge it? Got a quote?
Ffs, don't you watch the news?
He was specifically asked to condemn Madura, and he instead condemned violence, which is fine, but he was again asked and he again refused to condemn him.
Oh, so no quote then?
If Corbyn didn't condemn Madura then there is no quote to post, lol. "
Oh dear oh dear Centaur. You post the question, and then the response. Its not rocket science. Lol. |
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"JC has actually praised Madura in person.
JC was asked to condemn the actions of the current govt led by Madura, which include locking up opposition politicians and the use of violence against demonstrators.
And he did condemn it
No, he didn't, he was asked to condemn Madura, and instead he dodged it.... I got deja-vu Ffs
How did he dodge it? Got a quote?
Ffs, don't you watch the news?
He was specifically asked to condemn Madura, and he instead condemned violence, which is fine, but he was again asked and he again refused to condemn him.
Corbyn condemned the violence 'on all sides' in Venezuela which is a remarkably similar position to Trump saying he condemned the violence in America 'on many sides' in recent days . Funny how lefties cry foul and berate Trump though when Trump pretty much took the same line and stance as Corbyn by condemning 'all sides'. Corbyn can get away with it but Trump can't, go figure. "
You attacked Corbyn, and supported Trump on this. |
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"JC has actually praised Madura in person.
JC was asked to condemn the actions of the current govt led by Madura, which include locking up opposition politicians and the use of violence against demonstrators.
And he did condemn it
No, he didn't, he was asked to condemn Madura, and instead he dodged it.... I got deja-vu Ffs
How did he dodge it? Got a quote?
Ffs, don't you watch the news?
He was specifically asked to condemn Madura, and he instead condemned violence, which is fine, but he was again asked and he again refused to condemn him.
Corbyn condemned the violence 'on all sides' in Venezuela which is a remarkably similar position to Trump saying he condemned the violence in America 'on many sides' in recent days . Funny how lefties cry foul and berate Trump though when Trump pretty much took the same line and stance as Corbyn by condemning 'all sides'. Corbyn can get away with it but Trump can't, go figure.
You attacked Corbyn, and supported Trump on this. "
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"JC has actually praised Madura in person.
JC was asked to condemn the actions of the current govt led by Madura, which include locking up opposition politicians and the use of violence against demonstrators.
And he did condemn it
No, he didn't, he was asked to condemn Madura, and instead he dodged it.... I got deja-vu Ffs
How did he dodge it? Got a quote?
Ffs, don't you watch the news?
He was specifically asked to condemn Madura, and he instead condemned violence, which is fine, but he was again asked and he again refused to condemn him.
Oh, so no quote then?
If Corbyn didn't condemn Madura then there is no quote to post, lol.
Oh dear oh dear Centaur. You post the question, and then the response. Its not rocket science. Lol."
You're asking for a quote where Corbyn condemns Madura, no quote exists because Corbyn still hasn't condemned him. You have been told Corbyn condemned violence 'on all sides' but didn't specifically condemn Madura, there is your answer but you still continue to ask for a quote. It's not rocket science and it's not brain surgery either, lol. |
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"Why should corbyn condemn the madura government. It is a democratically elected government who are facing economic ans social sabotage from right wing fascist thugs who have murdered people and are attempting to overthrow the government. Madura has made mistakes but what state doesn't, the rich and powerful hate anything which seeks to redress the inequality between themselves and the poor. I know whose side I'm on and its not yours.
Made a few mistakes!!!
People are dying, not from "right wing thugs" but from fucking starvation
The country is skint, broke, bankrupt, up shit creek without a paddle. Are you for real? do you really believe that?
"A few mistakes" is like saying that Hitler had a slight mishap with his gas cooker "
And this in a country with more oil reserves than Saudi and the rest of the gulf combined.
The protesters are the ordinary (often not working) people. It's certainly not the right wing elite! |
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"Right, so lets see if I have this right:
Because JC praised and supported the former (now dead) President of Venezuela when he kicked corrupt US corporations out of his country that means he supports the present President...
Supporting a dead man in his struggle against the worlds primary superpower is justification for smearing him now.
Consistently speaking out against all violence regardless of where it occurs is support for terror.
Selling bombs, bullets and weapons to repressive regimes is not as bad as speaking out against violence.
And finally it is a reasonable defence to a charge of look what the person you support is doing to say 'there is no proof that the person we are attacking would not have done the same'.
The whole premise of this defence is straw men standing on the backs of straw giants and attempting make it sound virtuous."
the previous president Hugo Chaves stood upto american corruption and did a lot for his country and citizens, thats why he was labelled by the usa |
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"Why should corbyn condemn the madura government. It is a democratically elected government who are facing economic ans social sabotage from right wing fascist thugs who have murdered people and are attempting to overthrow the government. Madura has made mistakes but what state doesn't, the rich and powerful hate anything which seeks to redress the inequality between themselves and the poor. I know whose side I'm on and its not yours.
Made a few mistakes!!!
People are dying, not from "right wing thugs" but from fucking starvation
The country is skint, broke, bankrupt, up shit creek without a paddle. Are you for real? do you really believe that?
"A few mistakes" is like saying that Hitler had a slight mishap with his gas cooker
And this in a country with more oil reserves than Saudi and the rest of the gulf combined.
The protesters are the ordinary (often not working) people. It's certainly not the right wing elite!"
Maybe not in the media. But it's financed by the elite. Already there's been assassinations of other nations citizens because they were left by the right wing in Venezuela.
The USA has been meddling in with Venezuela for years with failed military coups. The difference between Chile in 73 and Venezuela now, the military in Venezuela support the government. |
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