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"Can someone copy and paste valente's last post on the other thread please. I can't seem to copy and paste on my phone. " Yes I can, here it is: "....... Farage created nothing. The EU created Brexit That would not explain why the predicted EU exit of Netherlands and France didn't actually happen and indeed the question would be why is confidence in the EU by member countries (apart from 1) greater today than ever before? Some people just need someone to blame because they are not grown up to accept their own limitations. Unfortunately, a lot of this country is afflicted in this way. The EU has nothing to blame for anything bad that has happened in the U.K. - NOTHING! It has plenty to credit for, but nothing to blame." Confidence in the EU is not greater than ever before at all. You speak of the Netherlands and France? Well the parties that came 2nd there were the equivalent of UkIP here, did they ever finish as runners up at election time in the UK? And in Italy the 5 star party are currently neck and neck with the mainstream party and an election has to take place there by next spring. Who is responsible for the Euro disaster? That would be the EU and how much European trade has the UK lost through enforced austerity there. And people need someone to blame for their own limitations? You seem to be blaming the government and Brexit for yours | |||
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" Confidence in the EU is not greater than ever before at all. You speak of the Netherlands and France? Well the parties that came 2nd there were the equivalent of UkIP here, did they ever finish as runners up at election time in the UK? And in Italy the 5 star party are currently neck and neck with the mainstream party and an election has to take place there by next spring. Who is responsible for the Euro disaster? That would be the EU and how much European trade has the UK lost through enforced austerity there. And people need someone to blame for their own limitations? You seem to be blaming the government and Brexit for yours" You do not understand how to interpret the data correctly, Valente. Confidence in the EU is greater than ever before. There are many polls across the Eu that show this. You think that Le pen finishing second or the Dutch loon doing well or the Italian comedian showing a high popularity in comparison to any single other party means greater anti eu feeling, but that is the wrong interpretation for two reasons. Firstly you are comparing the anti Europe party in these countries with, effectively, only one pro eu party. The correct interpretation is to compare to all the other parties. When you do that, the Eu is more popular than ever. Secondly, because the polls show most people were in favour of the eu, Le pen and Grillo actually softened their stance on the eu. Even the southern states like Spain and Greece with their awful problems are not rejecting the eu. This is despite some particularly legit grievances they have with the eurozone and the ECB and the European bureaucrats. | |||
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"Keep your eye on Poland. And hows the Europe 2020 plan coming along?" I believe they reported in 2015 that 4 out of 5 of their key strategic targets they would be unlikely to achieve. The 5th target, on reduction of energy usage, they may achieve, but that it would be because of the poor state of the EU economy. | |||
"Can someone copy and paste valente's last post on the other thread please. I can't seem to copy and paste on my phone. Yes I can, here it is: "....... Farage created nothing. The EU created Brexit That would not explain why the predicted EU exit of Netherlands and France didn't actually happen and indeed the question would be why is confidence in the EU by member countries (apart from 1) greater today than ever before? Some people just need someone to blame because they are not grown up to accept their own limitations. Unfortunately, a lot of this country is afflicted in this way. The EU has nothing to blame for anything bad that has happened in the U.K. - NOTHING! It has plenty to credit for, but nothing to blame." Confidence in the EU is not greater than ever before at all. You speak of the Netherlands and France? Well the parties that came 2nd there were the equivalent of UkIP here, did they ever finish as runners up at election time in the UK? And in Italy the 5 star party are currently neck and neck with the mainstream party and an election has to take place there by next spring. Who is responsible for the Euro disaster? That would be the EU and how much European trade has the UK lost through enforced austerity there. And people need someone to blame for their own limitations? You seem to be blaming the government and Brexit for yours"  | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. " Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU." Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. " No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad" My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. " How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end. | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end." That's what you would say if you lost your job is it? That losing your job, maybe your house and family too is definitely worth it, and going to be a massive benefit in the end? Somehow I think not. | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end. That's what you would say if you lost your job is it? That losing your job, maybe your house and family too is definitely worth it, and going to be a massive benefit in the end? Somehow I think not." As always you miss the point and you show your complete lack of compassion in the process. I opened my heart and gave a real life example where short term pain is a benefit and you totally ignore it to try and point score. I remember why I stopped posting in the politics forum, there are some truely vile people in there. Bye. | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end. That's what you would say if you lost your job is it? That losing your job, maybe your house and family too is definitely worth it, and going to be a massive benefit in the end? Somehow I think not. As always you miss the point and you show your complete lack of compassion in the process. I opened my heart and gave a real life example where short term pain is a benefit and you totally ignore it to try and point score. I remember why I stopped posting in the politics forum, there are some truely vile people in there. Bye." I completely agree, people who are happy for their family to lose their jobs are truely vile. | |||
" How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end." Logical fallacy time here. Because, when it comes to medicine we have become used to undergoing procedures that are painful or unpleasant or even just taking nasty medicine in order to cure an even greater problem, we become quite prone, as a population to associate the two quite strongly. Then we get it arse about face. It does not follow that just because something is painful in the short term it therefore means it must be good in the long term. Furthermore, with medical procedures, the diagnosis that there is a specific problem with a detrimental health effect and a future progression to a worse outcome is known with a fair degree of certainty, because we know on average how things will turn out either way. It is evidence based. With brexit we are treating problems that don't exist with remedies that are so made up on the hoof we haven't even thought them through to see which is the theoretical best bet on what will work, let alone proceeded to the clinical trial on mice stage. | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. " Yeah, isn't the occasional throwaway titbit of democracy so terribly ghastly when it delivers the "wrong" result. Cameron and his chums should never have allowed those crumbs to have fallen from the top table. | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end. That's what you would say if you lost your job is it? That losing your job, maybe your house and family too is definitely worth it, and going to be a massive benefit in the end? Somehow I think not. As always you miss the point and you show your complete lack of compassion in the process. I opened my heart and gave a real life example where short term pain is a benefit and you totally ignore it to try and point score. I remember why I stopped posting in the politics forum, there are some truely vile people in there. Bye. I completely agree, people who are happy for their family to lose their jobs are truely vile. " I was happy when my father and brother lost their jobs in the coal mines. | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Yeah, isn't the occasional throwaway titbit of democracy so terribly ghastly when it delivers the "wrong" result. Cameron and his chums should never have allowed those crumbs to have fallen from the top table."  | |||
" How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end. Logical fallacy time here. Because, when it comes to medicine we have become used to undergoing procedures that are painful or unpleasant or even just taking nasty medicine in order to cure an even greater problem, we become quite prone, as a population to associate the two quite strongly. Then we get it arse about face. It does not follow that just because something is painful in the short term it therefore means it must be good in the long term. Furthermore, with medical procedures, the diagnosis that there is a specific problem with a detrimental health effect and a future progression to a worse outcome is known with a fair degree of certainty, because we know on average how things will turn out either way. It is evidence based. With brexit we are treating problems that don't exist with remedies that are so made up on the hoof we haven't even thought them through to see which is the theoretical best bet on what will work, let alone proceeded to the clinical trial on mice stage. " True and farage was the snake oil salesman selling his cure to the masses.Drink the blue water and all the foreigners and darkies go away and the NHS gets £££s and they'll be blue birds over the white cliffs of dover 
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"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end. That's what you would say if you lost your job is it? That losing your job, maybe your house and family too is definitely worth it, and going to be a massive benefit in the end? Somehow I think not. As always you miss the point and you show your complete lack of compassion in the process. I opened my heart and gave a real life example where short term pain is a benefit and you totally ignore it to try and point score. I remember why I stopped posting in the politics forum, there are some truely vile people in there. Bye. I completely agree, people who are happy for their family to lose their jobs are truely vile. I was happy when my father and brother lost their jobs in the coal mines. " Lovely! | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end. That's what you would say if you lost your job is it? That losing your job, maybe your house and family too is definitely worth it, and going to be a massive benefit in the end? Somehow I think not. As always you miss the point and you show your complete lack of compassion in the process. I opened my heart and gave a real life example where short term pain is a benefit and you totally ignore it to try and point score. I remember why I stopped posting in the politics forum, there are some truely vile people in there. Bye. I completely agree, people who are happy for their family to lose their jobs are truely vile. I was happy when my father and brother lost their jobs in the coal mines. Lovely! "Well if you'd ever been down a coal mine or seen someones health deteriorate because of their job you might understand why. Incidentally it wasn't long before they too were happy about it, they used their redundancy packages to set up a succesful electrical installation firm and have never looked back, so every cloud and all that eh | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end. That's what you would say if you lost your job is it? That losing your job, maybe your house and family too is definitely worth it, and going to be a massive benefit in the end? Somehow I think not. As always you miss the point and you show your complete lack of compassion in the process. I opened my heart and gave a real life example where short term pain is a benefit and you totally ignore it to try and point score. I remember why I stopped posting in the politics forum, there are some truely vile people in there. Bye. I completely agree, people who are happy for their family to lose their jobs are truely vile. I was happy when my father and brother lost their jobs in the coal mines. Lovely!
Well if you'd ever been down a coal mine or seen someones health deteriorate because of their job you might understand why. Incidentally it wasn't long before they too were happy about it, they used their redundancy packages to set up a succesful electrical installation firm and have never looked back, so every cloud and all that eh"I understand that people's health can deteriorate because of their jobs, that might be a good reason to change professions, reskill and find a new job, which is much better than suddenly finding yourself unemployed. It may have worked out well for your family, but I'm sure there are other people in your community that were devestated by it. | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end. That's what you would say if you lost your job is it? That losing your job, maybe your house and family too is definitely worth it, and going to be a massive benefit in the end? Somehow I think not. As always you miss the point and you show your complete lack of compassion in the process. I opened my heart and gave a real life example where short term pain is a benefit and you totally ignore it to try and point score. I remember why I stopped posting in the politics forum, there are some truely vile people in there. Bye. I completely agree, people who are happy for their family to lose their jobs are truely vile. I was happy when my father and brother lost their jobs in the coal mines. Lovely!
Well if you'd ever been down a coal mine or seen someones health deteriorate because of their job you might understand why. Incidentally it wasn't long before they too were happy about it, they used their redundancy packages to set up a succesful electrical installation firm and have never looked back, so every cloud and all that eh
I understand that people's health can deteriorate because of their jobs, that might be a good reason to change professions, reskill and find a new job, which is much better than suddenly finding yourself unemployed. It may have worked out well for your family, but I'm sure there are other people in your community that were devestated by it. "Does that mean I'm vile? | |||
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I know someone dosent like our debating "How bizzare is that.Very Orwellian. . | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. " You have to have a vision in life,it is because these people want better lives for there children and grand children,sometimes you have to take one step back to make two forward. As I hsve said before,economics had nothing to do with mu voting out. Our problems are more to do with bad government and incompitant opposition than anything to do with brexit. To you all the ill in our country our down to brexit,well they are not,all our current problems existed before and will in the future it is how we deal with them. Did you listen to Alan Sugar the other day? | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end. That's what you would say if you lost your job is it? That losing your job, maybe your house and family too is definitely worth it, and going to be a massive benefit in the end? Somehow I think not. As always you miss the point and you show your complete lack of compassion in the process. I opened my heart and gave a real life example where short term pain is a benefit and you totally ignore it to try and point score. I remember why I stopped posting in the politics forum, there are some truely vile people in there. Bye. I completely agree, people who are happy for their family to lose their jobs are truely vile. I was happy when my father and brother lost their jobs in the coal mines. Lovely!
Well if you'd ever been down a coal mine or seen someones health deteriorate because of their job you might understand why. Incidentally it wasn't long before they too were happy about it, they used their redundancy packages to set up a succesful electrical installation firm and have never looked back, so every cloud and all that eh
I understand that people's health can deteriorate because of their jobs, that might be a good reason to change professions, reskill and find a new job, which is much better than suddenly finding yourself unemployed. It may have worked out well for your family, but I'm sure there are other people in your community that were devestated by it.
Does that mean I'm vile?"Would you want them to lose their jobs for Brexit? | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end. That's what you would say if you lost your job is it? That losing your job, maybe your house and family too is definitely worth it, and going to be a massive benefit in the end? Somehow I think not. As always you miss the point and you show your complete lack of compassion in the process. I opened my heart and gave a real life example where short term pain is a benefit and you totally ignore it to try and point score. I remember why I stopped posting in the politics forum, there are some truely vile people in there. Bye. I completely agree, people who are happy for their family to lose their jobs are truely vile. I was happy when my father and brother lost their jobs in the coal mines. Lovely!
Well if you'd ever been down a coal mine or seen someones health deteriorate because of their job you might understand why. Incidentally it wasn't long before they too were happy about it, they used their redundancy packages to set up a succesful electrical installation firm and have never looked back, so every cloud and all that eh
I understand that people's health can deteriorate because of their jobs, that might be a good reason to change professions, reskill and find a new job, which is much better than suddenly finding yourself unemployed. It may have worked out well for your family, but I'm sure there are other people in your community that were devestated by it.
Does that mean I'm vile?
Would you want them to lose their jobs for Brexit? "Would you want them to lose their jobs to immigrants who are desperate for work, would be willing to work for less pay and would therefore be exploited? | |||
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"Or to put it another way _lcc, would you be happy for family members to lose their jobs if we remained in the EU? " What about all the family members losing their jobs in the banking industry from leaving? Sure the local waiter will be british, but 12 companies are moving their financial headquarters to Dublin. One bought the tallest building in Ireland that can hold over 1000 people. What about all these people who were on 6 figures handing half of it over to the tax man? Youre happy for them to go? | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end. That's what you would say if you lost your job is it? That losing your job, maybe your house and family too is definitely worth it, and going to be a massive benefit in the end? Somehow I think not. As always you miss the point and you show your complete lack of compassion in the process. I opened my heart and gave a real life example where short term pain is a benefit and you totally ignore it to try and point score. I remember why I stopped posting in the politics forum, there are some truely vile people in there. Bye. I completely agree, people who are happy for their family to lose their jobs are truely vile. I was happy when my father and brother lost their jobs in the coal mines. Lovely!
Well if you'd ever been down a coal mine or seen someones health deteriorate because of their job you might understand why. Incidentally it wasn't long before they too were happy about it, they used their redundancy packages to set up a succesful electrical installation firm and have never looked back, so every cloud and all that eh
I understand that people's health can deteriorate because of their jobs, that might be a good reason to change professions, reskill and find a new job, which is much better than suddenly finding yourself unemployed. It may have worked out well for your family, but I'm sure there are other people in your community that were devestated by it.
Does that mean I'm vile?
Would you want them to lose their jobs for Brexit?
Would you want them to lose their jobs to immigrants who are desperate for work, would be willing to work for less pay and would therefore be exploited?"What immigrants would these be...please provide facts | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end. That's what you would say if you lost your job is it? That losing your job, maybe your house and family too is definitely worth it, and going to be a massive benefit in the end? Somehow I think not. As always you miss the point and you show your complete lack of compassion in the process. I opened my heart and gave a real life example where short term pain is a benefit and you totally ignore it to try and point score. I remember why I stopped posting in the politics forum, there are some truely vile people in there. Bye. I completely agree, people who are happy for their family to lose their jobs are truely vile. I was happy when my father and brother lost their jobs in the coal mines. Lovely!
Well if you'd ever been down a coal mine or seen someones health deteriorate because of their job you might understand why. Incidentally it wasn't long before they too were happy about it, they used their redundancy packages to set up a succesful electrical installation firm and have never looked back, so every cloud and all that eh
I understand that people's health can deteriorate because of their jobs, that might be a good reason to change professions, reskill and find a new job, which is much better than suddenly finding yourself unemployed. It may have worked out well for your family, but I'm sure there are other people in your community that were devestated by it.
Does that mean I'm vile?
Would you want them to lose their jobs for Brexit?
Would you want them to lose their jobs to immigrants who are desperate for work, would be willing to work for less pay and would therefore be exploited?
What immigrants would these be...please provide facts "Get off your arse and out into the real world | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end. That's what you would say if you lost your job is it? That losing your job, maybe your house and family too is definitely worth it, and going to be a massive benefit in the end? Somehow I think not. As always you miss the point and you show your complete lack of compassion in the process. I opened my heart and gave a real life example where short term pain is a benefit and you totally ignore it to try and point score. I remember why I stopped posting in the politics forum, there are some truely vile people in there. Bye. I completely agree, people who are happy for their family to lose their jobs are truely vile. I was happy when my father and brother lost their jobs in the coal mines. Lovely!
Well if you'd ever been down a coal mine or seen someones health deteriorate because of their job you might understand why. Incidentally it wasn't long before they too were happy about it, they used their redundancy packages to set up a succesful electrical installation firm and have never looked back, so every cloud and all that eh
I understand that people's health can deteriorate because of their jobs, that might be a good reason to change professions, reskill and find a new job, which is much better than suddenly finding yourself unemployed. It may have worked out well for your family, but I'm sure there are other people in your community that were devestated by it.
Does that mean I'm vile?
Would you want them to lose their jobs for Brexit?
Would you want them to lose their jobs to immigrants who are desperate for work, would be willing to work for less pay and would therefore be exploited?
What immigrants would these be...please provide facts
Get off your arse and out into the real world"Provide an answer for once....what immigrants | |||
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"The 20 million Romanians that turned up remember. As well as 80 million Turks about to be admitted imminently. You wonder how these poor frightened people get a nights sleep with all this shitting themselves going on. " Oh yeah i forgot about those.... must be hard for them to i wonder if they see the doctor for there illness | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end. That's what you would say if you lost your job is it? That losing your job, maybe your house and family too is definitely worth it, and going to be a massive benefit in the end? Somehow I think not. As always you miss the point and you show your complete lack of compassion in the process. I opened my heart and gave a real life example where short term pain is a benefit and you totally ignore it to try and point score. I remember why I stopped posting in the politics forum, there are some truely vile people in there. Bye. I completely agree, people who are happy for their family to lose their jobs are truely vile. I was happy when my father and brother lost their jobs in the coal mines. Lovely!
Well if you'd ever been down a coal mine or seen someones health deteriorate because of their job you might understand why. Incidentally it wasn't long before they too were happy about it, they used their redundancy packages to set up a succesful electrical installation firm and have never looked back, so every cloud and all that eh
I understand that people's health can deteriorate because of their jobs, that might be a good reason to change professions, reskill and find a new job, which is much better than suddenly finding yourself unemployed. It may have worked out well for your family, but I'm sure there are other people in your community that were devestated by it.
Does that mean I'm vile?
Would you want them to lose their jobs for Brexit?
Would you want them to lose their jobs to immigrants who are desperate for work, would be willing to work for less pay and would therefore be exploited?"Has anyone in your family ever been in secure employment, and then been sacked for the sole reason that the company wanted to employ an immigrant on a lower wage? No, they haven't, because we have employment laws to stop such a thing from happening. | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end. That's what you would say if you lost your job is it? That losing your job, maybe your house and family too is definitely worth it, and going to be a massive benefit in the end? Somehow I think not. As always you miss the point and you show your complete lack of compassion in the process. I opened my heart and gave a real life example where short term pain is a benefit and you totally ignore it to try and point score. I remember why I stopped posting in the politics forum, there are some truely vile people in there. Bye. I completely agree, people who are happy for their family to lose their jobs are truely vile. I was happy when my father and brother lost their jobs in the coal mines. Lovely!
Well if you'd ever been down a coal mine or seen someones health deteriorate because of their job you might understand why. Incidentally it wasn't long before they too were happy about it, they used their redundancy packages to set up a succesful electrical installation firm and have never looked back, so every cloud and all that eh
I understand that people's health can deteriorate because of their jobs, that might be a good reason to change professions, reskill and find a new job, which is much better than suddenly finding yourself unemployed. It may have worked out well for your family, but I'm sure there are other people in your community that were devestated by it.
Does that mean I'm vile?
Would you want them to lose their jobs for Brexit?
Would you want them to lose their jobs to immigrants who are desperate for work, would be willing to work for less pay and would therefore be exploited?
Has anyone in your family ever been in secure employment, and then been sacked for the sole reason that the company wanted to employ an immigrant on a lower wage? No, they haven't, because we have employment laws to stop such a thing from happening. "Are you happy with wages of lower and semi-skilled workers being depressed and job displacement of UK born workers because of immigration? | |||
" Would you want them to lose their jobs for Brexit? Would you want them to lose their jobs to immigrants who are desperate for work, would be willing to work for less pay and would therefore be exploited? Has anyone in your family ever been in secure employment, and then been sacked for the sole reason that the company wanted to employ an immigrant on a lower wage? No, they haven't, because we have employment laws to stop such a thing from happening. " They think it sounds good though for a little anti-EU rant | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end. That's what you would say if you lost your job is it? That losing your job, maybe your house and family too is definitely worth it, and going to be a massive benefit in the end? Somehow I think not. As always you miss the point and you show your complete lack of compassion in the process. I opened my heart and gave a real life example where short term pain is a benefit and you totally ignore it to try and point score. I remember why I stopped posting in the politics forum, there are some truely vile people in there. Bye. I completely agree, people who are happy for their family to lose their jobs are truely vile. I was happy when my father and brother lost their jobs in the coal mines. Lovely!
Well if you'd ever been down a coal mine or seen someones health deteriorate because of their job you might understand why. Incidentally it wasn't long before they too were happy about it, they used their redundancy packages to set up a succesful electrical installation firm and have never looked back, so every cloud and all that eh
I understand that people's health can deteriorate because of their jobs, that might be a good reason to change professions, reskill and find a new job, which is much better than suddenly finding yourself unemployed. It may have worked out well for your family, but I'm sure there are other people in your community that were devestated by it.
Does that mean I'm vile?
Would you want them to lose their jobs for Brexit?
Would you want them to lose their jobs to immigrants who are desperate for work, would be willing to work for less pay and would therefore be exploited?
Has anyone in your family ever been in secure employment, and then been sacked for the sole reason that the company wanted to employ an immigrant on a lower wage? No, they haven't, because we have employment laws to stop such a thing from happening. "Do we? And you don't have to sack people to get them to move on. You increase workload and targets or whatever for no extra pay. Most people's pay is worth less today than it was ten years ago, why is that? When was the last time you had a pay rise, or rather, your dole money went up? And you might not class the building trade as 'secure employment' but I have friends who have been laid off from jobs and replaced and are undercut all the time. | |||
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" Would you want them to lose their jobs for Brexit? Would you want them to lose their jobs to immigrants who are desperate for work, would be willing to work for less pay and would therefore be exploited? Has anyone in your family ever been in secure employment, and then been sacked for the sole reason that the company wanted to employ an immigrant on a lower wage? No, they haven't, because we have employment laws to stop such a thing from happening. They think it sounds good though for a little anti-EU rant "How do you know what I think? Or think of the EU? And yet again _lcc refuses to answer a question | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end. That's what you would say if you lost your job is it? That losing your job, maybe your house and family too is definitely worth it, and going to be a massive benefit in the end? Somehow I think not. As always you miss the point and you show your complete lack of compassion in the process. I opened my heart and gave a real life example where short term pain is a benefit and you totally ignore it to try and point score. I remember why I stopped posting in the politics forum, there are some truely vile people in there. Bye. I completely agree, people who are happy for their family to lose their jobs are truely vile. I was happy when my father and brother lost their jobs in the coal mines. Lovely!
Well if you'd ever been down a coal mine or seen someones health deteriorate because of their job you might understand why. Incidentally it wasn't long before they too were happy about it, they used their redundancy packages to set up a succesful electrical installation firm and have never looked back, so every cloud and all that eh
I understand that people's health can deteriorate because of their jobs, that might be a good reason to change professions, reskill and find a new job, which is much better than suddenly finding yourself unemployed. It may have worked out well for your family, but I'm sure there are other people in your community that were devestated by it.
Does that mean I'm vile?
Would you want them to lose their jobs for Brexit?
Would you want them to lose their jobs to immigrants who are desperate for work, would be willing to work for less pay and would therefore be exploited?
What immigrants would these be...please provide facts
Get off your arse and out into the real world
Provide an answer for once....what immigrants "Who said this? - 'wholesale EU immigration has destroyed conditions for British workers'. That would be your hero Jeremy Corbyn. So was he talking bollocks on this matter along with everything else? | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end. That's what you would say if you lost your job is it? That losing your job, maybe your house and family too is definitely worth it, and going to be a massive benefit in the end? Somehow I think not. As always you miss the point and you show your complete lack of compassion in the process. I opened my heart and gave a real life example where short term pain is a benefit and you totally ignore it to try and point score. I remember why I stopped posting in the politics forum, there are some truely vile people in there. Bye. I completely agree, people who are happy for their family to lose their jobs are truely vile. I was happy when my father and brother lost their jobs in the coal mines. Lovely!
Well if you'd ever been down a coal mine or seen someones health deteriorate because of their job you might understand why. Incidentally it wasn't long before they too were happy about it, they used their redundancy packages to set up a succesful electrical installation firm and have never looked back, so every cloud and all that eh
I understand that people's health can deteriorate because of their jobs, that might be a good reason to change professions, reskill and find a new job, which is much better than suddenly finding yourself unemployed. It may have worked out well for your family, but I'm sure there are other people in your community that were devestated by it.
Does that mean I'm vile?
Would you want them to lose their jobs for Brexit?
Would you want them to lose their jobs to immigrants who are desperate for work, would be willing to work for less pay and would therefore be exploited?
Has anyone in your family ever been in secure employment, and then been sacked for the sole reason that the company wanted to employ an immigrant on a lower wage? No, they haven't, because we have employment laws to stop such a thing from happening.
Do we? And you don't have to sack people to get them to move on. You increase workload and targets or whatever for no extra pay. Most people's pay is worth less today than it was ten years ago, why is that? When was the last time you had a pay rise, or rather, your dole money went up? And you might not class the building trade as 'secure employment' but I have friends who have been laid off from jobs and replaced and are undercut all the time. "Yes, we have employment laws. Increasing workloads and targets etc. Well that either affects everyone in the company/team/department, or you can take them to court for constructive dismissal, using the above mentioned laws. Pay worth less today than 10 years ago, that's because wages aren't keeping up with inflation. You know, the inflation that has massively risen since the referendum. Brexit is making this much much worse. My last pay rise was in April, and sorry to disappoint you, but I haven't claimed a day of unemployment benefit, or indeed any other benefit from the DWP, in my life. Can you and your family say the same? Or did they claim when they lost their jobs like you wished for? If your "friends" have been undercut for jobs, then they weren't employees, they were contractors. Not winning a contract is not the same as being sacked. Also the building trade is only a small part of the UK economy and isn't representative of the entirety of the UK jobs market. Also the industry isn't exactly squeaky clean, they have plenty of problems completely unrelated to immigration such as blacklisting. Maybe that's the reason your "friends" are struggling in the industry? | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end. That's what you would say if you lost your job is it? That losing your job, maybe your house and family too is definitely worth it, and going to be a massive benefit in the end? Somehow I think not. As always you miss the point and you show your complete lack of compassion in the process. I opened my heart and gave a real life example where short term pain is a benefit and you totally ignore it to try and point score. I remember why I stopped posting in the politics forum, there are some truely vile people in there. Bye. I completely agree, people who are happy for their family to lose their jobs are truely vile. I was happy when my father and brother lost their jobs in the coal mines. Lovely!
Well if you'd ever been down a coal mine or seen someones health deteriorate because of their job you might understand why. Incidentally it wasn't long before they too were happy about it, they used their redundancy packages to set up a succesful electrical installation firm and have never looked back, so every cloud and all that eh
I understand that people's health can deteriorate because of their jobs, that might be a good reason to change professions, reskill and find a new job, which is much better than suddenly finding yourself unemployed. It may have worked out well for your family, but I'm sure there are other people in your community that were devestated by it.
Does that mean I'm vile?
Would you want them to lose their jobs for Brexit?
Would you want them to lose their jobs to immigrants who are desperate for work, would be willing to work for less pay and would therefore be exploited?
Has anyone in your family ever been in secure employment, and then been sacked for the sole reason that the company wanted to employ an immigrant on a lower wage? No, they haven't, because we have employment laws to stop such a thing from happening.
Do we? And you don't have to sack people to get them to move on. You increase workload and targets or whatever for no extra pay. Most people's pay is worth less today than it was ten years ago, why is that? When was the last time you had a pay rise, or rather, your dole money went up? And you might not class the building trade as 'secure employment' but I have friends who have been laid off from jobs and replaced and are undercut all the time.
Yes, we have employment laws.
Increasing workloads and targets etc. Well that either affects everyone in the company/team/department, or you can take them to court for constructive dismissal, using the above mentioned laws.
Pay worth less today than 10 years ago, that's because wages aren't keeping up with inflation. You know, the inflation that has massively risen since the referendum. Brexit is making this much much worse.
My last pay rise was in April, and sorry to disappoint you, but I haven't claimed a day of unemployment benefit, or indeed any other benefit from the DWP, in my life. Can you and your family say the same? Or did they claim when they lost their jobs like you wished for?
If your "friends" have been undercut for jobs, then they weren't employees, they were contractors. Not winning a contract is not the same as being sacked. Also the building trade is only a small part of the UK economy and isn't representative of the entirety of the UK jobs market. Also the industry isn't exactly squeaky clean, they have plenty of problems completely unrelated to immigration such as blacklisting. Maybe that's the reason your "friends" are struggling in the industry? "Inflation has 'massively' risen, to 2%?? I can't be arsed to point out the rest of the faults in your argument but I will ask you the question as I assume you voted labour - was Jeremy Corbyn talking bollocks when he said that wholesale EU immigration has destroyed conditions for British workers? | |||
"The government and instigators of Brexit have a lot to answer for. Like what?We have bad government on the UK and the opposition is even worse,most problems have nothing to do with Brexit we are at present full members of the EU. Of course, you have you patented Brexit Blinders on and can see what's happening to the country. No you are a very bad judge of people your the one with the blinkers on.The success of leaving the EU if it happens will not be seen for five years after we leave.I am fully aweare that leaving will cause inflation,some unemployment and a lot of problems but after 5 years we will be rich ,successful and Europe will be breaking up all wanting to follow our example. You have to have vision in life,want to succeed,be positive,not be a misrable negative person like yourself,your life must be so so sad My life isn't sad at all, I'm very happy. It's very sad though that people like yourself are willing to inflict years of pain and misery on people. As mentioned previously a yougov poll came out this week that the majority of Brexiters would be willing for even their family members to lose their jobs as a price worth paying for Brexit. I can't believe so many people would be happy to hurt their own family in that way. How narrow minded you are. My youngest daughter occasionally has to be put through short term pain but long term it benefits her. So that makes me a bad parent does it? I shouldn't let her go through that to improve her life? Short term pain is always worth it when there is massive benefit at the end. That's what you would say if you lost your job is it? That losing your job, maybe your house and family too is definitely worth it, and going to be a massive benefit in the end? Somehow I think not. As always you miss the point and you show your complete lack of compassion in the process. I opened my heart and gave a real life example where short term pain is a benefit and you totally ignore it to try and point score. I remember why I stopped posting in the politics forum, there are some truely vile people in there. Bye. I completely agree, people who are happy for their family to lose their jobs are truely vile. I was happy when my father and brother lost their jobs in the coal mines. Lovely!
Well if you'd ever been down a coal mine or seen someones health deteriorate because of their job you might understand why. Incidentally it wasn't long before they too were happy about it, they used their redundancy packages to set up a succesful electrical installation firm and have never looked back, so every cloud and all that eh
I understand that people's health can deteriorate because of their jobs, that might be a good reason to change professions, reskill and find a new job, which is much better than suddenly finding yourself unemployed. It may have worked out well for your family, but I'm sure there are other people in your community that were devestated by it.
Does that mean I'm vile?
Would you want them to lose their jobs for Brexit?
Would you want them to lose their jobs to immigrants who are desperate for work, would be willing to work for less pay and would therefore be exploited?
Has anyone in your family ever been in secure employment, and then been sacked for the sole reason that the company wanted to employ an immigrant on a lower wage? No, they haven't, because we have employment laws to stop such a thing from happening.
Do we? And you don't have to sack people to get them to move on. You increase workload and targets or whatever for no extra pay. Most people's pay is worth less today than it was ten years ago, why is that? When was the last time you had a pay rise, or rather, your dole money went up? And you might not class the building trade as 'secure employment' but I have friends who have been laid off from jobs and replaced and are undercut all the time.
Yes, we have employment laws.
Increasing workloads and targets etc. Well that either affects everyone in the company/team/department, or you can take them to court for constructive dismissal, using the above mentioned laws.
Pay worth less today than 10 years ago, that's because wages aren't keeping up with inflation. You know, the inflation that has massively risen since the referendum. Brexit is making this much much worse.
My last pay rise was in April, and sorry to disappoint you, but I haven't claimed a day of unemployment benefit, or indeed any other benefit from the DWP, in my life. Can you and your family say the same? Or did they claim when they lost their jobs like you wished for?
If your "friends" have been undercut for jobs, then they weren't employees, they were contractors. Not winning a contract is not the same as being sacked. Also the building trade is only a small part of the UK economy and isn't representative of the entirety of the UK jobs market. Also the industry isn't exactly squeaky clean, they have plenty of problems completely unrelated to immigration such as blacklisting. Maybe that's the reason your "friends" are struggling in the industry?
Inflation has 'massively' risen, to 2%??
I can't be arsed to point out the rest of the faults in your argument but I will ask you the question as I assume you voted labour - was Jeremy Corbyn talking bollocks when he said that wholesale EU immigration has destroyed conditions for British workers?"There's two questions fir them to answer then.... Was Jeremy Corbyn talking bollocks when he said that wholesale EU immigration has destroyed conditions for British workers? Are you happy with wages of lower and semi-skilled workers being depressed and job displacement of UK born workers because of immigration? | |||
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"There's two questions fir them to answer then...." "Was Jeremy Corbyn talking bollocks when he said that wholesale EU immigration has destroyed conditions for British workers?" Here we go again people trying to miss quote JC.....hes not blaming the immigration for it hes blaming unscrupulous Job agencies and this government for allowing the practice to go on...why do you think he said he would end 1) Zero Hours contracts and 2) increase and enforce the minimum living wage. "Are you happy with wages of lower and semi-skilled workers being depressed and job displacement of UK born workers because of immigration?" I refer to above your trying to misquote and muddy the waters its a usual brexit tactic used to such good effect during the leaves campaign his quote is below “What there wouldn’t be is wholesale importation of underpaid workers from central Europe in order to destroy conditions, particularly in the construction industry. You prevent agencies recruiting wholescale workforces like that; you advertise for jobs in the locality first.” | |||
"There's two questions fir them to answer then.... Was Jeremy Corbyn talking bollocks when he said that wholesale EU immigration has destroyed conditions for British workers? Here we go again people trying to miss quote JC.....hes not blaming the immigration for it hes blaming unscrupulous Job agencies and this government for allowing the practice to go on...why do you think he said he would end 1) Zero Hours contracts and 2) increase and enforce the minimum living wage. Are you happy with wages of lower and semi-skilled workers being depressed and job displacement of UK born workers because of immigration? I refer to above your trying to misquote and muddy the waters its a usual brexit tactic used to such good effect during the leaves campaign his quote is below “What there wouldn’t be is wholesale importation of underpaid workers from central Europe in order to destroy conditions, particularly in the construction industry. You prevent agencies recruiting wholescale workforces like that; you advertise for jobs in the locality first.” " I'm not having a go at Corbyn or misquoting him at all! The point is it happens because of the open door immigrgation policy enforced by the EU! Why do you think Corbyn wants us to leave the single market? It is so that workers rights in this country cannot be destroyed by companies and agencies and foreign workers cannot be exploited  | |||
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"There's two questions fir them to answer then.... Was Jeremy Corbyn talking bollocks when he said that wholesale EU immigration has destroyed conditions for British workers? Here we go again people trying to miss quote JC.....hes not blaming the immigration for it hes blaming unscrupulous Job agencies and this government for allowing the practice to go on...why do you think he said he would end 1) Zero Hours contracts and 2) increase and enforce the minimum living wage. Are you happy with wages of lower and semi-skilled workers being depressed and job displacement of UK born workers because of immigration? I refer to above your trying to misquote and muddy the waters its a usual brexit tactic used to such good effect during the leaves campaign his quote is below “What there wouldn’t be is wholesale importation of underpaid workers from central Europe in order to destroy conditions, particularly in the construction industry. You prevent agencies recruiting wholescale workforces like that; you advertise for jobs in the locality first.” I'm not having a go at Corbyn or misquoting him at all! The point is it happens because of the open door immigrgation policy enforced by the EU! Why do you think Corbyn wants us to leave the single market? It is so that workers rights in this country cannot be destroyed by companies and agencies and foreign workers cannot be exploited "No the actual point is unscrupulous Job agencies and this government for allowing the practice to go on....people can blame these poor people all they like but the buck stops with this government for allowing these practices to go on. The Labour party has clearly stated its whats its intentions are in the manifesto....and that says no freedom of movement....they have stuck to that unlike this government which has flipped flopped all the way through... Like i said the Conservative government allowed this i do believe they could had stopped this from day one they choose not to...but please don't try to muddy the waters in blaming JC for something he clearly hasn't said...its a well known leave tactic....ask yourself why they never stopped it | |||
"And so fella, you asked me which immigrants? And now you agree that there are such immigrants because Corbyn says there are "No i dont agree with you I do know that most of economic migrants im calling then not immigrants do lots of work in this area that the lazy arsed english voting UKIPers wont do ....and before you have a pop at me look at the area i live in and then look at the vote percentage in the referendum | |||
"There's two questions fir them to answer then.... Was Jeremy Corbyn talking bollocks when he said that wholesale EU immigration has destroyed conditions for British workers? Here we go again people trying to miss quote JC.....hes not blaming the immigration for it hes blaming unscrupulous Job agencies and this government for allowing the practice to go on...why do you think he said he would end 1) Zero Hours contracts and 2) increase and enforce the minimum living wage. Are you happy with wages of lower and semi-skilled workers being depressed and job displacement of UK born workers because of immigration? I refer to above your trying to misquote and muddy the waters its a usual brexit tactic used to such good effect during the leaves campaign his quote is below “What there wouldn’t be is wholesale importation of underpaid workers from central Europe in order to destroy conditions, particularly in the construction industry. You prevent agencies recruiting wholescale workforces like that; you advertise for jobs in the locality first.” I'm not having a go at Corbyn or misquoting him at all! The point is it happens because of the open door immigrgation policy enforced by the EU! Why do you think Corbyn wants us to leave the single market? It is so that workers rights in this country cannot be destroyed by companies and agencies and foreign workers cannot be exploited
No the actual point is unscrupulous Job agencies and this government for allowing the practice to go on....people can blame these poor people all they like but the buck stops with this government for allowing these practices to go on.
The Labour party has clearly stated its whats its intentions are in the manifesto....and that says no freedom of movement....they have stuck to that unlike this government which has flipped flopped all the way through...
Like i said the Conservative government allowed this i do believe they could had stopped this from day one they choose not to...but please don't try to muddy the waters in blaming JC for something he clearly hasn't said...its a well known leave tactic....ask yourself why they never stopped it "I am not blaming immigrants themselves. But you must agree then that workers pay and conitions are being destroyed by wholescale immigration and that the only way to stop that is to end freedom of movement which you say the labour party wants and the only way to do that is to leave the EU and the single market isn't it? So you are a Brexiter after all | |||
"There's two questions fir them to answer then.... Was Jeremy Corbyn talking bollocks when he said that wholesale EU immigration has destroyed conditions for British workers? Here we go again people trying to miss quote JC.....hes not blaming the immigration for it hes blaming unscrupulous Job agencies and this government for allowing the practice to go on...why do you think he said he would end 1) Zero Hours contracts and 2) increase and enforce the minimum living wage. Are you happy with wages of lower and semi-skilled workers being depressed and job displacement of UK born workers because of immigration? I refer to above your trying to misquote and muddy the waters its a usual brexit tactic used to such good effect during the leaves campaign his quote is below “What there wouldn’t be is wholesale importation of underpaid workers from central Europe in order to destroy conditions, particularly in the construction industry. You prevent agencies recruiting wholescale workforces like that; you advertise for jobs in the locality first.” I'm not having a go at Corbyn or misquoting him at all! The point is it happens because of the open door immigrgation policy enforced by the EU! Why do you think Corbyn wants us to leave the single market? It is so that workers rights in this country cannot be destroyed by companies and agencies and foreign workers cannot be exploited
No the actual point is unscrupulous Job agencies and this government for allowing the practice to go on....people can blame these poor people all they like but the buck stops with this government for allowing these practices to go on.
The Labour party has clearly stated its whats its intentions are in the manifesto....and that says no freedom of movement....they have stuck to that unlike this government which has flipped flopped all the way through...
Like i said the Conservative government allowed this i do believe they could had stopped this from day one they choose not to...but please don't try to muddy the waters in blaming JC for something he clearly hasn't said...its a well known leave tactic....ask yourself why they never stopped it
I am not blaming immigrants themselves. But you must agree then that workers pay and conitions are being destroyed by wholescale immigration and that the only way to stop that is to end freedom of movement which you say the labour party wants and the only way to do that is to leave the EU and the single market isn't it? So you are a Brexiter after all"No i like did YOU voted to remain but i voted Labour not on the grounds of brexit but for many many more reasons... one of them was to stop these kind of practices ...again i'll reiterate there not immigrants there migrants sourced by unscrupulous Job agencies... i would like to see your sources are from about this | |||
"There's two questions fir them to answer then.... Was Jeremy Corbyn talking bollocks when he said that wholesale EU immigration has destroyed conditions for British workers? Here we go again people trying to miss quote JC.....hes not blaming the immigration for it hes blaming unscrupulous Job agencies and this government for allowing the practice to go on...why do you think he said he would end 1) Zero Hours contracts and 2) increase and enforce the minimum living wage. Are you happy with wages of lower and semi-skilled workers being depressed and job displacement of UK born workers because of immigration? I refer to above your trying to misquote and muddy the waters its a usual brexit tactic used to such good effect during the leaves campaign his quote is below “What there wouldn’t be is wholesale importation of underpaid workers from central Europe in order to destroy conditions, particularly in the construction industry. You prevent agencies recruiting wholescale workforces like that; you advertise for jobs in the locality first.” I'm not having a go at Corbyn or misquoting him at all! The point is it happens because of the open door immigrgation policy enforced by the EU! Why do you think Corbyn wants us to leave the single market? It is so that workers rights in this country cannot be destroyed by companies and agencies and foreign workers cannot be exploited
No the actual point is unscrupulous Job agencies and this government for allowing the practice to go on....people can blame these poor people all they like but the buck stops with this government for allowing these practices to go on.
The Labour party has clearly stated its whats its intentions are in the manifesto....and that says no freedom of movement....they have stuck to that unlike this government which has flipped flopped all the way through...
Like i said the Conservative government allowed this i do believe they could had stopped this from day one they choose not to...but please don't try to muddy the waters in blaming JC for something he clearly hasn't said...its a well known leave tactic....ask yourself why they never stopped it
I am not blaming immigrants themselves. But you must agree then that workers pay and conitions are being destroyed by wholescale immigration and that the only way to stop that is to end freedom of movement which you say the labour party wants and the only way to do that is to leave the EU and the single market isn't it? So you are a Brexiter after all
No i like did YOU voted to remain but i voted Labour not on the grounds of brexit but for many many more reasons... one of them was to stop these kind of practices ...again i'll reiterate there not immigrants there migrants sourced by unscrupulous Job agencies... i would like to see your sources are from about this "Sorry, I can't really comprehend your post. But while we are members of the EU and the single market there is not a great deal the government can do about unscrupulous companies and agencies hiring from abroad is there? I am sure it would be against EU rules. One of the great delusions of the socialist ideal of free movement around the continent is that it is actually a capitalist con to exploit the movement of cheap labour | |||
"There's two questions fir them to answer then.... Was Jeremy Corbyn talking bollocks when he said that wholesale EU immigration has destroyed conditions for British workers? Here we go again people trying to miss quote JC.....hes not blaming the immigration for it hes blaming unscrupulous Job agencies and this government for allowing the practice to go on...why do you think he said he would end 1) Zero Hours contracts and 2) increase and enforce the minimum living wage. Are you happy with wages of lower and semi-skilled workers being depressed and job displacement of UK born workers because of immigration? I refer to above your trying to misquote and muddy the waters its a usual brexit tactic used to such good effect during the leaves campaign his quote is below “What there wouldn’t be is wholesale importation of underpaid workers from central Europe in order to destroy conditions, particularly in the construction industry. You prevent agencies recruiting wholescale workforces like that; you advertise for jobs in the locality first.” I'm not having a go at Corbyn or misquoting him at all! The point is it happens because of the open door immigrgation policy enforced by the EU! Why do you think Corbyn wants us to leave the single market? It is so that workers rights in this country cannot be destroyed by companies and agencies and foreign workers cannot be exploited
No the actual point is unscrupulous Job agencies and this government for allowing the practice to go on....people can blame these poor people all they like but the buck stops with this government for allowing these practices to go on.
The Labour party has clearly stated its whats its intentions are in the manifesto....and that says no freedom of movement....they have stuck to that unlike this government which has flipped flopped all the way through...
Like i said the Conservative government allowed this i do believe they could had stopped this from day one they choose not to...but please don't try to muddy the waters in blaming JC for something he clearly hasn't said...its a well known leave tactic....ask yourself why they never stopped it
I am not blaming immigrants themselves. But you must agree then that workers pay and conitions are being destroyed by wholescale immigration and that the only way to stop that is to end freedom of movement which you say the labour party wants and the only way to do that is to leave the EU and the single market isn't it? So you are a Brexiter after all
No i like did YOU voted to remain but i voted Labour not on the grounds of brexit but for many many more reasons... one of them was to stop these kind of practices ...again i'll reiterate there not immigrants there migrants sourced by unscrupulous Job agencies... i would like to see your sources are from about this
Sorry, I can't really comprehend your post. But while we are members of the EU and the single market there is not a great deal the government can do about unscrupulous companies and agencies hiring from abroad is there? I am sure it would be against EU rules. One of the great delusions of the socialist ideal of free movement around the continent is that it is actually a capitalist con to exploit the movement of cheap labour"But you voted remain or so you said in another post on a different subject....why on earth would you vote remain when you feel like this?....ah so now your blaming the EU for governments own laws...very odd | |||
"There's two questions fir them to answer then.... Was Jeremy Corbyn talking bollocks when he said that wholesale EU immigration has destroyed conditions for British workers? Here we go again people trying to miss quote JC.....hes not blaming the immigration for it hes blaming unscrupulous Job agencies and this government for allowing the practice to go on...why do you think he said he would end 1) Zero Hours contracts and 2) increase and enforce the minimum living wage. Are you happy with wages of lower and semi-skilled workers being depressed and job displacement of UK born workers because of immigration? I refer to above your trying to misquote and muddy the waters its a usual brexit tactic used to such good effect during the leaves campaign his quote is below “What there wouldn’t be is wholesale importation of underpaid workers from central Europe in order to destroy conditions, particularly in the construction industry. You prevent agencies recruiting wholescale workforces like that; you advertise for jobs in the locality first.” I'm not having a go at Corbyn or misquoting him at all! The point is it happens because of the open door immigrgation policy enforced by the EU! Why do you think Corbyn wants us to leave the single market? It is so that workers rights in this country cannot be destroyed by companies and agencies and foreign workers cannot be exploited
No the actual point is unscrupulous Job agencies and this government for allowing the practice to go on....people can blame these poor people all they like but the buck stops with this government for allowing these practices to go on.
The Labour party has clearly stated its whats its intentions are in the manifesto....and that says no freedom of movement....they have stuck to that unlike this government which has flipped flopped all the way through...
Like i said the Conservative government allowed this i do believe they could had stopped this from day one they choose not to...but please don't try to muddy the waters in blaming JC for something he clearly hasn't said...its a well known leave tactic....ask yourself why they never stopped it
I am not blaming immigrants themselves. But you must agree then that workers pay and conitions are being destroyed by wholescale immigration and that the only way to stop that is to end freedom of movement which you say the labour party wants and the only way to do that is to leave the EU and the single market isn't it? So you are a Brexiter after all
No i like did YOU voted to remain but i voted Labour not on the grounds of brexit but for many many more reasons... one of them was to stop these kind of practices ...again i'll reiterate there not immigrants there migrants sourced by unscrupulous Job agencies... i would like to see your sources are from about this
Sorry, I can't really comprehend your post. But while we are members of the EU and the single market there is not a great deal the government can do about unscrupulous companies and agencies hiring from abroad is there? I am sure it would be against EU rules. One of the great delusions of the socialist ideal of free movement around the continent is that it is actually a capitalist con to exploit the movement of cheap labour
But you voted remain or so you said in another post on a different subject....why on earth would you vote remain when you feel like this?....ah so now your blaming the EU for governments own laws...very odd "I didn't say I voted remain, I said I didn't vote for Brexit. I didn't vote. I couldn't make my mind up either way. But following the events of the last 12 months, the behaviour of the EU and of certain self serving politicians who would like to ignore/reverse a democratic decision then if there was a referendum tomorrow I would be first in the queue to vote for Brexit. And they are EU laws not the governments | |||
"I didn't say I voted remain, I said I didn't vote for Brexit. I didn't vote. I couldn't make my mind up either way. But following the events of the last 12 months, the behaviour of the EU and of certain self serving politicians who would like to ignore/reverse a democratic decision then if there was a referendum tomorrow I would be first in the queue to vote for Brexit. And they are EU laws not the governments" Please read then provide your sources of information....and the EU do not make the laws of this country one bit....thats parliaments job.... What is the effect of migration on unemployment and wages? One theory has it that migrants compete with the local population for jobs, driving down wages and pushing up unemployment for British people. But this ignores the fact that migrants also buy goods and services — providing a boost to the economy and creating new jobs. Migrants might also bring useful skills that complement those of the indigenous workforce. There is little evidence that more migrants push wages down or unemployment up. Economists from the Centre for Economic Performance at the London School of Economics say that when they look at the areas with the largest increase in EU immigration, these have not seen the sharpest falls in employment or wages since 2008. Jonathan Wadsworth, one of the authors of the CEP report and a former member of the government’s Migration Advisory Committee, says: “There is still no evidence of an overall negative impact of immigration on jobs, [or] wages.” Do low-skilled UK citizens bear the brunt of EU migration? A number of studies have found there is a small negative effect of migration on the wages of low-skilled workers — those with whom migrants compete most directly. Research published last year by Sir Stephen Nickell of the Office for Budget Responsibility suggested there was a small negative effect of migration on the wages of locals in the semi-skilled and unskilled service sector — such as care workers, shop assistants, restaurant and bar workers. Mr Portes of the NIESR thinks Sir Stephen’s research results are nevertheless small. “The impact of migration on the wages of the UK-born in this sector since 2004 has been about 1 per cent, over a period of eight years,” he says. While not disputing Mr Portes’ assessment, Professor Ian Preston of University College London notes that the government could nonetheless improve the outcome for the low paid. The role of government should be “to see that the long-term benefits [of immigration] are enjoyed widely and the negative effects on those whose lives may be disrupted are recognised and addressed,” he says.
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"I didn't say I voted remain, I said I didn't vote for Brexit. I didn't vote. I couldn't make my mind up either way. But following the events of the last 12 months, the behaviour of the EU and of certain self serving politicians who would like to ignore/reverse a democratic decision then if there was a referendum tomorrow I would be first in the queue to vote for Brexit. And they are EU laws not the governments Please read then provide your sources of information....and the EU do not make the laws of this country one bit....thats parliaments job.... What is the effect of migration on unemployment and wages? One theory has it that migrants compete with the local population for jobs, driving down wages and pushing up unemployment for British people. But this ignores the fact that migrants also buy goods and services — providing a boost to the economy and creating new jobs. Migrants might also bring useful skills that complement those of the indigenous workforce. There is little evidence that more migrants push wages down or unemployment up. Economists from the Centre for Economic Performance at the London School of Economics say that when they look at the areas with the largest increase in EU immigration, these have not seen the sharpest falls in employment or wages since 2008. Jonathan Wadsworth, one of the authors of the CEP report and a former member of the government’s Migration Advisory Committee, says: “There is still no evidence of an overall negative impact of immigration on jobs, [or] wages.” Do low-skilled UK citizens bear the brunt of EU migration? A number of studies have found there is a small negative effect of migration on the wages of low-skilled workers — those with whom migrants compete most directly. Research published last year by Sir Stephen Nickell of the Office for Budget Responsibility suggested there was a small negative effect of migration on the wages of locals in the semi-skilled and unskilled service sector — such as care workers, shop assistants, restaurant and bar workers. Mr Portes of the NIESR thinks Sir Stephen’s research results are nevertheless small. “The impact of migration on the wages of the UK-born in this sector since 2004 has been about 1 per cent, over a period of eight years,” he says. While not disputing Mr Portes’ assessment, Professor Ian Preston of University College London notes that the government could nonetheless improve the outcome for the low paid. The role of government should be “to see that the long-term benefits [of immigration] are enjoyed widely and the negative effects on those whose lives may be disrupted are recognised and addressed,” he says.
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"So they had to admit that there is a negative impact on the low paid but dilute it by saying the impact is small. But frankly if you are going to post anything from the FT or Guardian to do with Brexit then you might as well make it up yourself | |||
"I didn't say I voted remain, I said I didn't vote for Brexit. I didn't vote. I couldn't make my mind up either way. But following the events of the last 12 months, the behaviour of the EU and of certain self serving politicians who would like to ignore/reverse a democratic decision then if there was a referendum tomorrow I would be first in the queue to vote for Brexit. And they are EU laws not the governments Please read then provide your sources of information....and the EU do not make the laws of this country one bit....thats parliaments job.... What is the effect of migration on unemployment and wages? One theory has it that migrants compete with the local population for jobs, driving down wages and pushing up unemployment for British people. But this ignores the fact that migrants also buy goods and services — providing a boost to the economy and creating new jobs. Migrants might also bring useful skills that complement those of the indigenous workforce. There is little evidence that more migrants push wages down or unemployment up. Economists from the Centre for Economic Performance at the London School of Economics say that when they look at the areas with the largest increase in EU immigration, these have not seen the sharpest falls in employment or wages since 2008. Jonathan Wadsworth, one of the authors of the CEP report and a former member of the government’s Migration Advisory Committee, says: “There is still no evidence of an overall negative impact of immigration on jobs, [or] wages.” Do low-skilled UK citizens bear the brunt of EU migration? A number of studies have found there is a small negative effect of migration on the wages of low-skilled workers — those with whom migrants compete most directly. Research published last year by Sir Stephen Nickell of the Office for Budget Responsibility suggested there was a small negative effect of migration on the wages of locals in the semi-skilled and unskilled service sector — such as care workers, shop assistants, restaurant and bar workers. Mr Portes of the NIESR thinks Sir Stephen’s research results are nevertheless small. “The impact of migration on the wages of the UK-born in this sector since 2004 has been about 1 per cent, over a period of eight years,” he says. While not disputing Mr Portes’ assessment, Professor Ian Preston of University College London notes that the government could nonetheless improve the outcome for the low paid. The role of government should be “to see that the long-term benefits [of immigration] are enjoyed widely and the negative effects on those whose lives may be disrupted are recognised and addressed,” he says.
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So they had to admit that there is a negative impact on the low paid but dilute it by saying the impact is small. But frankly if you are going to post anything from the FT or Guardian to do with Brexit then you might as well make it up yourself"Did you even read it !!!...."suggested there was a small negative"...not the huge one as YOU have been suggesting....and now your even questioning the guy from office for Budget Responsibility....you need to get your act and facts together....it was also reported in the other rags that story i guess there wrong....but i'll ask once more...please provide the source of your facts were there been a huge reduction in wages due to immigrants...im await with baited breath if you can | |||
"I didn't say I voted remain, I said I didn't vote for Brexit. I didn't vote. I couldn't make my mind up either way. But following the events of the last 12 months, the behaviour of the EU and of certain self serving politicians who would like to ignore/reverse a democratic decision then if there was a referendum tomorrow I would be first in the queue to vote for Brexit. And they are EU laws not the governments Please read then provide your sources of information....and the EU do not make the laws of this country one bit....thats parliaments job.... What is the effect of migration on unemployment and wages? One theory has it that migrants compete with the local population for jobs, driving down wages and pushing up unemployment for British people. But this ignores the fact that migrants also buy goods and services — providing a boost to the economy and creating new jobs. Migrants might also bring useful skills that complement those of the indigenous workforce. There is little evidence that more migrants push wages down or unemployment up. Economists from the Centre for Economic Performance at the London School of Economics say that when they look at the areas with the largest increase in EU immigration, these have not seen the sharpest falls in employment or wages since 2008. Jonathan Wadsworth, one of the authors of the CEP report and a former member of the government’s Migration Advisory Committee, says: “There is still no evidence of an overall negative impact of immigration on jobs, [or] wages.” Do low-skilled UK citizens bear the brunt of EU migration? A number of studies have found there is a small negative effect of migration on the wages of low-skilled workers — those with whom migrants compete most directly. Research published last year by Sir Stephen Nickell of the Office for Budget Responsibility suggested there was a small negative effect of migration on the wages of locals in the semi-skilled and unskilled service sector — such as care workers, shop assistants, restaurant and bar workers. Mr Portes of the NIESR thinks Sir Stephen’s research results are nevertheless small. “The impact of migration on the wages of the UK-born in this sector since 2004 has been about 1 per cent, over a period of eight years,” he says. While not disputing Mr Portes’ assessment, Professor Ian Preston of University College London notes that the government could nonetheless improve the outcome for the low paid. The role of government should be “to see that the long-term benefits [of immigration] are enjoyed widely and the negative effects on those whose lives may be disrupted are recognised and addressed,” he says.
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https://www.ft.com/content/0deacb52-178b-11e6-9d98-00386a18e39d
So they had to admit that there is a negative impact on the low paid but dilute it by saying the impact is small. But frankly if you are going to post anything from the FT or Guardian to do with Brexit then you might as well make it up yourself
Did you even read it !!!...."suggested there was a small negative"...not the huge one as YOU have been suggesting....and now your even questioning the guy from office for Budget Responsibility....you need to get your act and facts together....it was also reported in the other rags that story i guess there wrong....but i'll ask once more...please provide the source of your facts were there been a huge reduction in wages due to immigrants...im await with baited breath if you can "Where have I ever used the word huge? And try telling someone who earns fuck all that a small negative doesn't matter. | |||
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"Wholescale....and wasnt you the guy that said you would be happy that brexit would put friends and family out of work "Wholescale? What has that to do with a huge reduction in wages? And that was the word Corbyn used, not me, I was just repeating it. And err no, I said I was glad two members of my family lost their jobs in the mines that was all, which was donkeys years ago and nothing to do with Brexit. Keep up or give up. Or go and tell those poor people who have suffered a slight negative from immigration that they are thick and don't know what is good for them | |||
"Wholescale....and wasnt you the guy that said you would be happy that brexit would put friends and family out of work
Wholescale? What has that to do with a huge reduction in wages? And that was the word Corbyn used, not me, I was just repeating it.
And err no, I said I was glad two members of my family lost their jobs in the mines that was all, which was donkeys years ago and nothing to do with Brexit. Keep up or give up.
Or go and tell those poor people who have suffered a slight negative from immigration that they are thick and don't know what is good for them"He didnt use it at all...there you go misquoting again...and ive showed you the facts....from the guy who basically does the books for the UK....now you show me some...you know what you insinuated in that thread you even got pulled up with it.... | |||
"Wholescale....and wasnt you the guy that said you would be happy that brexit would put friends and family out of work
Wholescale? What has that to do with a huge reduction in wages? And that was the word Corbyn used, not me, I was just repeating it.
And err no, I said I was glad two members of my family lost their jobs in the mines that was all, which was donkeys years ago and nothing to do with Brexit. Keep up or give up.
Or go and tell those poor people who have suffered a slight negative from immigration that they are thick and don't know what is good for them
He didnt use it at all...there you go misquoting again...and ive showed you the facts....from the guy who basically does the books for the UK....now you show me some...you know what you insinuated in that thread you even got pulled up with it.... "Wtf are u on about?? You even quoted him on this thread using it. Do you go to the same school as _lcc? | |||
"Wholescale....and wasnt you the guy that said you would be happy that brexit would put friends and family out of work
Wholescale? What has that to do with a huge reduction in wages? And that was the word Corbyn used, not me, I was just repeating it.
And err no, I said I was glad two members of my family lost their jobs in the mines that was all, which was donkeys years ago and nothing to do with Brexit. Keep up or give up.
Or go and tell those poor people who have suffered a slight negative from immigration that they are thick and don't know what is good for them
He didnt use it at all...there you go misquoting again...and ive showed you the facts....from the guy who basically does the books for the UK....now you show me some...you know what you insinuated in that thread you even got pulled up with it....
Wtf are u on about?? You even quoted him on this thread using it. Do you go to the same school as _lcc?"Where have i quoted JC....ive quoted guys that dismissed your lies about it affecting wages wholescale | |||
"Wholescale....and wasnt you the guy that said you would be happy that brexit would put friends and family out of work "Lovely isn't he! | |||
"Wholescale....and wasnt you the guy that said you would be happy that brexit would put friends and family out of work
Lovely isn't he! "no ... personally i find her rhetoric quite obnoxious to be honest | |||
"Wholescale....and wasnt you the guy that said you would be happy that brexit would put friends and family out of work
Wholescale? What has that to do with a huge reduction in wages? And that was the word Corbyn used, not me, I was just repeating it.
And err no, I said I was glad two members of my family lost their jobs in the mines that was all, which was donkeys years ago and nothing to do with Brexit. Keep up or give up.
Or go and tell those poor people who have suffered a slight negative from immigration that they are thick and don't know what is good for them
He didnt use it at all...there you go misquoting again...and ive showed you the facts....from the guy who basically does the books for the UK....now you show me some...you know what you insinuated in that thread you even got pulled up with it....
Wtf are u on about?? You even quoted him on this thread using it. Do you go to the same school as _lcc?
Where have i quoted JC....ive quoted guys that dismissed your lies about it
affecting wages wholescale "Read the thread | |||
"Wholescale....and wasnt you the guy that said you would be happy that brexit would put friends and family out of work
Lovely isn't he! "Thank you sweetheart x | |||
"Wholescale....and wasnt you the guy that said you would be happy that brexit would put friends and family out of work
Lovely isn't he!
no ... personally i find her rhetoric quite obnoxious to be honest"Me too. | |||
