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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Its a new religion where people base their ideology on faith and theocracy!
Now can all you fuckers stop being bigoted towards religious brexiters and leave them alone with their whacky beliefs!!  |
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By *VBethTV/TS
over a year ago
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And while you're at it, stop picking on the Remainians too. They are very satisfied with their conviction that nothing will ever be good again and their total infallibility based on Guardian articles.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"And while you're at it, stop picking on the Remainians too. They are very satisfied with their conviction that nothing will ever be good again and their total infallibility based on Guardian articles. "
And facts dont forget them |
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"And while you're at it, stop picking on the Remainians too. They are very satisfied with their conviction that nothing will ever be good again and their total infallibility based on Guardian articles.
And facts dont forget them "
Don't start bringing facts into it |
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"Its a new religion where people base their ideology on faith and theocracy!
Now can all you fuckers stop being bigoted towards religious brexiters and leave them alone with their whacky beliefs!! "
That's not really fair now is it?
You know very well that when one is conditioned over years by continual propaganda to a worldview that you campaign for it continually until you get what you have been told you need and want, it is very difficult to admit that you have been lied to conned and sold a lemon. There is a reason why confidence tricksters pass the details of successful conned marks round, and it is not so that they don't get targeted again. Brexit is no different to any of the cons run by the ultra rightwing tory party and press and the people who swallowed it are the same people who have swallowed all the other cons that preceded and succeeded it. |
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"Anyone would think that the people who voted for Brexit were in the minority 
If we are talking plain facts - they are "
The fact is a 52% majority voted Leave, over 1 million more votes than remain managed to get. |
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"Its a new religion where people base their ideology on faith and theocracy!
Now can all you fuckers stop being bigoted towards religious brexiters and leave them alone with their whacky beliefs!!
That's not really fair now is it?
You know very well that when one is conditioned over years by continual propaganda to a worldview that you campaign for it continually until you get what you have been told you need and want, it is very difficult to admit that you have been lied to conned and sold a lemon. There is a reason why confidence tricksters pass the details of successful conned marks round, and it is not so that they don't get targeted again. Brexit is no different to any of the cons run by the ultra rightwing tory party and press and the people who swallowed it are the same people who have swallowed all the other cons that preceded and succeeded it."
What a load of rubbish. Many on the left also want out of the EU, even a good many folk from your beloved Labour party. Everyone knows Corbyn is really a Brexiter and a good number of respected Labour MP's campaigned to Leave. |
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"If we are talking plain facts - they are can u explain how then ?"
It is really very simple...
52% of those who voted is not the same as 52% of all those entitled to vote.
In reality 51.9% (voted leave) of 72.2% (turnout) is only 37.4718% of the (voting) population.
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/find-information-by-subject/elections-and-referendums/past-elections-and-referendums/eu-referendum/electorate-and-count-information |
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"If we are talking plain facts - they are can u explain how then ?
It is really very simple...
52% of those who voted is not the same as 52% of all those entitled to vote.
In reality 51.9% (voted leave) of 72.2% (turnout) is only 37.4718% of the (voting) population.
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/find-information-by-subject/elections-and-referendums/past-elections-and-referendums/eu-referendum/electorate-and-count-information"
I dint think there's anyone on here that doesn't know that tho . Of the ppl that voted 52 % voted leave who doesn't understand that ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Anyone would think that the people who voted for Brexit were in the minority
If we are talking plain facts - they are "
No they are not. In plain facts - the people who voted to remain are in the minority |
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"What a load of rubbish. Many on the left also want out of the EU, even a good many folk from your beloved Labour party. Everyone knows Corbyn is really a Brexiter and a good number of respected Labour MP's campaigned to Leave. "
did I say only those on the right are gullible enough to swallow right wing propaganda and be conned into voting leave? And it is also possible that there are many more like me who voted out because I believe it will take an unmitigated economic disaster to shock the people of this country out of their trance like state that has allowed politics to be moved so far to the right that people like you now think genuine centre/centre right mixed economy policies some sort of a far left communist ideologically driven subversive plot to undermine democracy. While you blindly support a government that has introduced secret courts where you can be tried and convicted of crimes without the right to appear in the court, see, hear or challenge the evidence against you, or have legal representation. |
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"If we are talking plain facts - they are
No they are not. In plain facts - the people who voted to remain are in the minority"
FFS!
Lets try one last time...
If rather than a vote on our countries future the referendum had been a vote for strike action there would have been NO STRIKE! Because employment law says that when holding a strike ballot (which is like the referendum a simple yes/no question) for the strike to be legal a majority of those voting must vote yes AND THAT MAJORITY MUST MAKE UP A MINIMUM OF 40% OF THE TOTAL ELIGIBLE TO VOTE!
A majority of the country did not vote to leave!
A larger MINORITY of the country voted to leave than voted to stay, and that minority did not even reach the minimum standard required by English law to call a legal strike!
Now I know it is a difficult concept to get your head round if your ideologically wedded to brexit because you have swallowed the propaganda of those who see EU regulations as a barrier to making more money. But I am sure that when you wake up and find your employment, health and safety, and food safety rights stripped away from you to make us more like India or china you will begin to work out you were conned! |
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By *VBethTV/TS
over a year ago
Chester |
"If we are talking plain facts - they are
No they are not. In plain facts - the people who voted to remain are in the minority
FFS!
Lets try one last time...
If rather than a vote on our countries future the referendum had been a vote for strike action there would have been NO STRIKE! Because employment law says that when holding a strike ballot (which is like the referendum a simple yes/no question) for the strike to be legal a majority of those voting must vote yes AND THAT MAJORITY MUST MAKE UP A MINIMUM OF 40% OF THE TOTAL ELIGIBLE TO VOTE!
A majority of the country did not vote to leave!
A larger MINORITY of the country voted to leave than voted to stay, and that minority did not even reach the minimum standard required by English law to call a legal strike!
Now I know it is a difficult concept to get your head round if your ideologically wedded to brexit because you have swallowed the propaganda of those who see EU regulations as a barrier to making more money. But I am sure that when you wake up and find your employment, health and safety, and food safety rights stripped away from you to make us more like India or china you will begin to work out you were conned!"
A majority of the country didn't vote to remain either... Indeed a fair percentage simply couldnt be arsed to vote on the biggest change likely to happen in their lifetimes. But if political votes worked like strike action votes, actually getting rid of a bad government would be much more difficult. The referendum was looking for a simple majority and they got one. It doesn't matter if it was one or 10 million, a majority OF THE VOTES CAST was what was required. Your dislike of the result does not change it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If we are talking plain facts - they are
No they are not. In plain facts - the people who voted to remain are in the minority
FFS!
Lets try one last time...
If rather than a vote on our countries future the referendum had been a vote for strike action there would have been NO STRIKE! Because employment law says that when holding a strike ballot (which is like the referendum a simple yes/no question) for the strike to be legal a majority of those voting must vote yes AND THAT MAJORITY MUST MAKE UP A MINIMUM OF 40% OF THE TOTAL ELIGIBLE TO VOTE!
A majority of the country did not vote to leave!
A larger MINORITY of the country voted to leave than voted to stay, and that minority did not even reach the minimum standard required by English law to call a legal strike!
Now I know it is a difficult concept to get your head round if your ideologically wedded to brexit because you have swallowed the propaganda of those who see EU regulations as a barrier to making more money. But I am sure that when you wake up and find your employment, health and safety, and food safety rights stripped away from you to make us more like India or china you will begin to work out you were conned!"
Did I say that a majority voted to leave? And did I say which way I voted? |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Anyone would think that the people who voted for Brexit were in the minority
If we are talking plain facts - they are can u explain how then ?"
There is a population in this country of 65,000,000 people. Not all of them can vote and not all who can vote are registered to vote but those that can vote and who could have voted amounted to around 45,000,000. Of that 45,000,000 around 32,000,000 actually voted and 17,000,000 voted for Brexit.
Therefore factually speaking, whether you take the number of people who could vote or the population at large then 17,000,000 is a minority in both cases.
I hear you aleeadysaying that this is irrelevant, but it isn't because the comment about the Brexiters being in the minority was made on this forum and this forum (like the country) is made up of people who can vote, people who can't vote and people who can vote, but didn't.
QED. Brexiters are in a minority. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Anyone would think that the people who voted for Brexit were in the minority
If we are talking plain facts - they are
No they are not. In plain facts - the people who voted to remain are in the minority"
As are the people who voted Brexit. In fact the voters combined are in the minority. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Anyone would think that the people who voted for Brexit were in the minority
If we are talking plain facts - they are
No they are not. In plain facts - the people who voted to remain are in the minority
As are the people who voted Brexit. In fact the voters combined are in the minority."
No, which is the smallest number? The people in this country who didn't or couldn't vote? The people who voted to leave the EU? Or the people who voted to remain in the EU? It is quite simple |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"If we are talking plain facts - they are
No they are not. In plain facts - the people who voted to remain are in the minority
FFS!
Lets try one last time...
If rather than a vote on our countries future the referendum had been a vote for strike action there would have been NO STRIKE! Because employment law says that when holding a strike ballot (which is like the referendum a simple yes/no question) for the strike to be legal a majority of those voting must vote yes AND THAT MAJORITY MUST MAKE UP A MINIMUM OF 40% OF THE TOTAL ELIGIBLE TO VOTE!
A majority of the country did not vote to leave!
A larger MINORITY of the country voted to leave than voted to stay, and that minority did not even reach the minimum standard required by English law to call a legal strike!
Now I know it is a difficult concept to get your head round if your ideologically wedded to brexit because you have swallowed the propaganda of those who see EU regulations as a barrier to making more money. But I am sure that when you wake up and find your employment, health and safety, and food safety rights stripped away from you to make us more like India or china you will begin to work out you were conned!
A majority of the country didn't vote to remain either... Indeed a fair percentage simply couldnt be arsed to vote on the biggest change likely to happen in their lifetimes. But if political votes worked like strike action votes, actually getting rid of a bad government would be much more difficult. The referendum was looking for a simple majority and they got one. It doesn't matter if it was one or 10 million, a majority OF THE VOTES CAST was what was required. Your dislike of the result does not change it. "
The United Kingdom is embarking on a course of action that will fundamentally change our lives more than anything else since WW2. Everything that we have taken for granted will be up for change and this is happening because a dick head former Prime Minister thought it would be a way for him to he a second term (it worked).
The pre-referendum debate was fought on memes, sound-bytes and headlines.
Both sides used fear as a motivator and the result is that we have a country and political parties completely divided and unable to agree on a way forwards.
We are entering into crucial negotiations on the shape of our, our children's and our grand children's future on the strength of a divided referendum result than itself was flawed at the outset.
There is no mandate to change this country in the way that is being proposed. 52/48 is not decisive, it is divisive and that split is equally apparent in politics, in business and in the population at large. The only thing that the referendum showed us is that we all need to understand the implications of both sides better. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Brexiters... All you need to do is push for it as a religion the "brexitology of life"...
Then join forces with the Muslims and push for blasphemy laws.
Viola no more having to listen to the bigots and haters bullshit facts 
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Brexiters... All you need to do is push for it as a religion the "brexitology of life"...
Then join forces with the Muslims and push for blasphemy laws.
Viola no more having to listen to the bigots and haters bullshit facts
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Your welcome "
A viola is like a large violin  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Brexiters... All you need to do is push for it as a religion the "brexitology of life"...
Then join forces with the Muslims and push for blasphemy laws.
Viola no more having to listen to the bigots and haters bullshit facts
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Your welcome
A viola is like a large violin "
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(Viola) bloody spell checker.
Voila |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Brexiters... All you need to do is push for it as a religion the "brexitology of life"...
Then join forces with the Muslims and push for blasphemy laws.
Viola no more having to listen to the bigots and haters bullshit facts
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Your welcome
A viola is like a large violin .
(Viola) bloody spell checker.
Voila "
Got ya now, but saying voila twice doesn't really have the same impact
The thing is though, it's ok to pick on Brexiters and call them what you like because they are not a minority |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"If we are talking plain facts - they are can u explain how then ?
It is really very simple...
52% of those who voted is not the same as 52% of all those entitled to vote.
In reality 51.9% (voted leave) of 72.2% (turnout) is only 37.4718% of the (voting) population.
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/find-information-by-subject/elections-and-referendums/past-elections-and-referendums/eu-referendum/electorate-and-count-information"
So remainers are in the minority as well then? Just that leavers are a larger minority than remainers. |
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"If we are talking plain facts - they are can u explain how then ?
It is really very simple...
52% of those who voted is not the same as 52% of all those entitled to vote.
In reality 51.9% (voted leave) of 72.2% (turnout) is only 37.4718% of the (voting) population.
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/find-information-by-subject/elections-and-referendums/past-elections-and-referendums/eu-referendum/electorate-and-count-information
So remainers are in the minority as well then? Just that leavers are a larger minority than remainers."
Yep...
And I did say just that further up the thread... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Brexiters... All you need to do is push for it as a religion the "brexitology of life"...
Then join forces with the Muslims and push for blasphemy laws.
Viola no more having to listen to the bigots and haters bullshit facts
.
.
Your welcome
A viola is like a large violin .
(Viola) bloody spell checker.
Voila
Got ya now, but saying voila twice doesn't really have the same impact
The thing is though, it's ok to pick on Brexiters and call them what you like because they are not a minority "
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Au contraire as we've just seen there a monitory!.... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I can see the shame on the neo liberals faces now, the nashing of teeth  ... How did it come to this, picking on minorites with whacky beliefs in an age of multi culturalism |
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"What a load of rubbish. Many on the left also want out of the EU, even a good many folk from your beloved Labour party. Everyone knows Corbyn is really a Brexiter and a good number of respected Labour MP's campaigned to Leave.
did I say only those on the right are gullible enough to swallow right wing propaganda and be conned into voting leave? And it is also possible that there are many more like me who voted out because I believe it will take an unmitigated economic disaster to shock the people of this country out of their trance like state that has allowed politics to be moved so far to the right that people like you now think genuine centre/centre right mixed economy policies some sort of a far left communist ideologically driven subversive plot to undermine democracy. While you blindly support a government that has introduced secret courts where you can be tried and convicted of crimes without the right to appear in the court, see, hear or challenge the evidence against you, or have legal representation."
I don't 'blindly' support the government, I actually voted ukip in the 2010 and 2015 general elections. Voted Conservative at the general election for the first time in over 10 years this year on the basis that they deliver Brexit. Second point people like Corbyn, John McDonnell, Kate Hoey, George Galloway, Frank Field, Dennis Skinner and Labour donor John Mills have not swallowed any right wing propaganda about the EU because they have been opposed to the EU from the outset when we first joined in the 70's, long before any right wing propaganda about the EU even existed. The reasons these people gave for leaving was a completely different message from the right wing reasons for leaving, being the EU is a neo liberal rich man's club where corrupt bankers and multi nationals have a monopoly on it and these are the very same people you often rant and rave against on here. You also often rant and rave against Margaret Thatcher but the single market is for the most part her creation, you seem to hate her with a passion yet you love her creation and want to keep this country shackled in chains to it at any cost. |
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"If we are talking plain facts - they are can u explain how then ?
It is really very simple...
52% of those who voted is not the same as 52% of all those entitled to vote.
In reality 51.9% (voted leave) of 72.2% (turnout) is only 37.4718% of the (voting) population.
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/find-information-by-subject/elections-and-referendums/past-elections-and-referendums/eu-referendum/electorate-and-count-information
So remainers are in the minority as well then? Just that leavers are a larger minority than remainers."
It really is funny as fuck seeing remainers tie themselves in knots on here to try to justify they are not a minority, they'd have toddlers, infants and new born babies voting down at polling stations if they could if there was another referendum. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"What a load of rubbish. Many on the left also want out of the EU, even a good many folk from your beloved Labour party. Everyone knows Corbyn is really a Brexiter and a good number of respected Labour MP's campaigned to Leave.
did I say only those on the right are gullible enough to swallow right wing propaganda and be conned into voting leave? And it is also possible that there are many more like me who voted out because I believe it will take an unmitigated economic disaster to shock the people of this country out of their trance like state that has allowed politics to be moved so far to the right that people like you now think genuine centre/centre right mixed economy policies some sort of a far left communist ideologically driven subversive plot to undermine democracy. While you blindly support a government that has introduced secret courts where you can be tried and convicted of crimes without the right to appear in the court, see, hear or challenge the evidence against you, or have legal representation.
I don't 'blindly' support the government, I actually voted ukip in the 2010 and 2015 general elections. Voted Conservative at the general election for the first time in over 10 years this year on the basis that they deliver Brexit. Second point people like Corbyn, John McDonnell, Kate Hoey, George Galloway, Frank Field, Dennis Skinner and Labour donor John Mills have not swallowed any right wing propaganda about the EU because they have been opposed to the EU from the outset when we first joined in the 70's, long before any right wing propaganda about the EU even existed. The reasons these people gave for leaving was a completely different message from the right wing reasons for leaving, being the EU is a neo liberal rich man's club where corrupt bankers and multi nationals have a monopoly on it and these are the very same people you often rant and rave against on here. You also often rant and rave against Margaret Thatcher but the single market is for the most part her creation, you seem to hate her with a passion yet you love her creation and want to keep this country shackled in chains to it at any cost. "
You must be pretty pissed off voting Tory first time in 10 years in order to deliver Brexit only to see what a total balls up they are making of it.
-Matt |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"And while you're at it, stop picking on the Remainians too. They are very satisfied with their conviction that nothing will ever be good again and their total infallibility based on Guardian articles. "
Lol like it |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"And while you're at it, stop picking on the Remainians too. They are very satisfied with their conviction that nothing will ever be good again and their total infallibility based on Guardian articles.
And facts dont forget them "
What facts??? |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"And while you're at it, stop picking on the Remainians too. They are very satisfied with their conviction that nothing will ever be good again and their total infallibility based on Guardian articles.
And facts dont forget them What facts???"
The facts about what will happen immediately after voting to leave the EU... You know, the facts like
House prices will drop by 10%
GDP will drop by 3.6%
Unemployment will rise by 500,000
We'll fall into an immediate recession
There will have to be an emergency £30 Billion tax raising budget
Those facts, silly.
Oh, forgot about World War 3...
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By *omaMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"If we are talking plain facts - they are
No they are not. In plain facts - the people who voted to remain are in the minority
FFS!
Lets try one last time...
If rather than a vote on our countries future the referendum had been a vote for strike action there would have been NO STRIKE! Because employment law says that when holding a strike ballot (which is like the referendum a simple yes/no question) for the strike to be legal a majority of those voting must vote yes AND THAT MAJORITY MUST MAKE UP A MINIMUM OF 40% OF THE TOTAL ELIGIBLE TO VOTE!
A majority of the country did not vote to leave!
A larger MINORITY of the country voted to leave than voted to stay, and that minority did not even reach the minimum standard required by English law to call a legal strike!
Now I know it is a difficult concept to get your head round if your ideologically wedded to brexit because you have swallowed the propaganda of those who see EU regulations as a barrier to making more money. But I am sure that when you wake up and find your employment, health and safety, and food safety rights stripped away from you to make us more like India or china you will begin to work out you were conned!"
strike vote? 40% of the voting turnout? what the fuck are you on? . . .
The vote was a referendum not a strike vote you dumbass . .
you can't compare one to the other . .
a referendum is a straight question . In or Out . . the side with the most counted votes wins, and that policy has been taken forward.
Suck it up . . . Britain voted to leave by a majority.
You don't like it, and many don't. But as the result showed, more did like it.
That's what's called a democratic vote
Oh and by the way, that's exactly what strikes used to be based on until government intervened years ago. Majority . . . . .regardless of percentages of the number of votes cast . . . . . Probably Thatcher is the architect behind the change. |
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By *omaMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"If we are talking plain facts - they are
No they are not. In plain facts - the people who voted to remain are in the minority
FFS!
Lets try one last time...
If rather than a vote on our countries future the referendum had been a vote for strike action there would have been NO STRIKE! Because employment law says that when holding a strike ballot (which is like the referendum a simple yes/no question) for the strike to be legal a majority of those voting must vote yes AND THAT MAJORITY MUST MAKE UP A MINIMUM OF 40% OF THE TOTAL ELIGIBLE TO VOTE!
A majority of the country did not vote to leave!
A larger MINORITY of the country voted to leave than voted to stay, and that minority did not even reach the minimum standard required by English law to call a legal strike!
Now I know it is a difficult concept to get your head round if your ideologically wedded to brexit because you have swallowed the propaganda of those who see EU regulations as a barrier to making more money. But I am sure that when you wake up and find your employment, health and safety, and food safety rights stripped away from you to make us more like India or china you will begin to work out you were conned!"
strike vote? 40% of the voting turnout? what the fuck are you on? . . .
The vote was a referendum not a strike vote you dumbass . .
you can't compare one to the other . .
a referendum is a straight question . In or Out . . the side with the most counted votes wins, and that policy has been taken forward.
Suck it up . . . Britain voted to leave by a majority.
You don't like it, and many don't. But as the result showed, more did like it.
That's what's called a democratic vote
Oh and by the way, that's exactly what strikes used to be based on until government intervened years ago. Majority . . . . .regardless of percentages of the number of votes cast . . . . . Probably Thatcher is the architect behind the change. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"And while you're at it, stop picking on the Remainians too. They are very satisfied with their conviction that nothing will ever be good again and their total infallibility based on Guardian articles.
And facts dont forget them What facts???
The facts about what will happen immediately after voting to leave the EU... You know, the facts like
House prices will drop by 10%
GDP will drop by 3.6%
Unemployment will rise by 500,000
We'll fall into an immediate recession
There will have to be an emergency £30 Billion tax raising budget
Those facts, silly.
Oh, forgot about World War 3...
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You have a strange concept of 'facts' if you think that predictions are facts. Yes, it can be a fact that something that was predicted. But that doesn't make the thing the prediction is predicting a fact. It is still just a prediction.
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"strike vote? 40% of the voting turnout? what the fuck are you on? . . .
The vote was a referendum not a strike vote you dumbass . .
you can't compare one to the other . .
a referendum is a straight question . In or Out . . the side with the most counted votes wins, and that policy has been taken forward.
Suck it up . . . Britain voted to leave by a majority.
You don't like it, and many don't. But as the result showed, more did like it.
That's what's called a democratic vote
Oh and by the way, that's exactly what strikes used to be based on until government intervened years ago. Majority . . . . .regardless of percentages of the number of votes cast . . . . . Probably Thatcher is the architect behind the change. "
See there goes a brexiteer spouting their bile again (but dont worry I will not be reporting you in order to silence your opinion, I leave that to brexiteers). Of course I know the referendum was not the same as a strike vote. IT WAS A LOT MORE IMPORTANT! My point you ignorant troll was that with such an important decision the requirements of the referendum to change the status quo should have been at least as high if not higher than those required to call a strike.
And yet again let me point out the leave vote WAS NOT a majority it was less than 40% of the total eligible to vote and that is not a majority! And if you dont like me continually pointing this out all you have to say is 'we got more votes to leave than stay' or similar and I will agree with you every day. |
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"And facts dont forget them What facts???
The facts about what will happen immediately after voting to leave the EU... You know, the facts like
House prices will drop by 10%
GDP will drop by 3.6%
Unemployment will rise by 500,000
We'll fall into an immediate recession
There will have to be an emergency £30 Billion tax raising budget
Those facts, silly.
Oh, forgot about World War 3...
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Those predictions were based on pigfucker Dave caMoron keeping his word and triggering Article 50 the morning after the referendum if the vote was leave (another tory lie). He did not, therefore the timescale of predictions based on that tory lie are invalid. But if you haven't noticed the £ has lost approximately 20% of its value and open and hidden inflation is steadily rising (we will have to wait until after 29/3/19 to see exactly how many jobs go). |
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"And facts dont forget them What facts???
The facts about what will happen immediately after voting to leave the EU... You know, the facts like
House prices will drop by 10%
GDP will drop by 3.6%
Unemployment will rise by 500,000
We'll fall into an immediate recession
There will have to be an emergency £30 Billion tax raising budget
Those facts, silly.
Oh, forgot about World War 3...
Those predictions were based on pigfucker Dave caMoron keeping his word and triggering Article 50 the morning after the referendum if the vote was leave (another tory lie). He did not, therefore the timescale of predictions based on that tory lie are invalid. But if you haven't noticed the £ has lost approximately 20% of its value and open and hidden inflation is steadily rising (we will have to wait until after 29/3/19 to see exactly how many jobs go). "
Jeez you have a very short memory. It was pointed out to you earlier on another thread that inflation is not rising, the office for national statistics figures showed inflation fell last month. |
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"Jeez you have a very short memory. It was pointed out to you earlier on another thread that inflation is not rising, the office for national statistics figures showed inflation fell last month. "
Ah, right...
Inflation pre the brexit vote under 1% now 2.6% but because last month it dropped by .1% inflation is going down, it's nothing to do with the annual cycle of inflation and we can all ignore the continual upward trend since the brexit vote because one months figures have moved in a direction that gives you an excuse to ignore the obvious post brexit vote trend.
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"And while you're at it, stop picking on the Remainians too. They are very satisfied with their conviction that nothing will ever be good again and their total infallibility based on Guardian articles.
And facts dont forget them What facts???
The facts about what will happen immediately after voting to leave the EU... You know, the facts like
House prices will drop by 10%
GDP will drop by 3.6%
Unemployment will rise by 500,000
We'll fall into an immediate recession
There will have to be an emergency £30 Billion tax raising budget
Those facts, silly.
Oh, forgot about World War 3...
You have a strange concept of 'facts' if you think that predictions are facts. Yes, it can be a fact that something that was predicted. But that doesn't make the thing the prediction is predicting a fact. It is still just a prediction.
-Matt"
And yet all we heard from the remain campaign all the way through were predictions....and making those predictions in such a way to make them sound like facts in order to fool people into voting remain.
It nearly worked. 16 Million were fooled. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"And while you're at it, stop picking on the Remainians too. They are very satisfied with their conviction that nothing will ever be good again and their total infallibility based on Guardian articles.
And facts dont forget them What facts???
The facts about what will happen immediately after voting to leave the EU... You know, the facts like
House prices will drop by 10%
GDP will drop by 3.6%
Unemployment will rise by 500,000
We'll fall into an immediate recession
There will have to be an emergency £30 Billion tax raising budget
Those facts, silly.
Oh, forgot about World War 3...
You have a strange concept of 'facts' if you think that predictions are facts. Yes, it can be a fact that something that was predicted. But that doesn't make the thing the prediction is predicting a fact. It is still just a prediction.
-Matt
And yet all we heard from the remain campaign all the way through were predictions....and making those predictions in such a way to make them sound like facts in order to fool people into voting remain.
It nearly worked. 16 Million were fooled."
How can you make something that hasn't happened sound like a fact? If you can't tell the difference between a prediction and a fact, then you have problems. And yes 16 million people were not sufficiently swayed by the fairy tale of the leave campaign and instead voted to remain in the EU.
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And facts dont forget them What facts???
The facts about what will happen immediately after voting to leave the EU... You know, the facts like
House prices will drop by 10%
GDP will drop by 3.6%
Unemployment will rise by 500,000
We'll fall into an immediate recession
There will have to be an emergency £30 Billion tax raising budget
Those facts, silly.
Oh, forgot about World War 3...
You have a strange concept of 'facts' if you think that predictions are facts. Yes, it can be a fact that something that was predicted. But that doesn't make the thing the prediction is predicting a fact. It is still just a prediction.
-Matt
And yet all we heard from the remain campaign all the way through were predictions....and making those predictions in such a way to make them sound like facts in order to fool people into voting remain.
It nearly worked. 16 Million were fooled.
How can you make something that hasn't happened sound like a fact? If you can't tell the difference between a prediction and a fact, then you have problems. And yes 16 million people were not sufficiently swayed by the fairy tale of the leave campaign and instead voted to remain in the EU.
-Matt"
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"And while you're at it, stop picking on the Remainians too. They are very satisfied with their conviction that nothing will ever be good again and their total infallibility based on Guardian articles.
And facts dont forget them What facts???
The facts about what will happen immediately after voting to leave the EU... You know, the facts like
House prices will drop by 10%
GDP will drop by 3.6%
Unemployment will rise by 500,000
We'll fall into an immediate recession
There will have to be an emergency £30 Billion tax raising budget
Those facts, silly.
Oh, forgot about World War 3...
You have a strange concept of 'facts' if you think that predictions are facts. Yes, it can be a fact that something that was predicted. But that doesn't make the thing the prediction is predicting a fact. It is still just a prediction.
-Matt
And yet all we heard from the remain campaign all the way through were predictions....and making those predictions in such a way to make them sound like facts in order to fool people into voting remain.
It nearly worked. 16 Million were fooled.
How can you make something that hasn't happened sound like a fact? If you can't tell the difference between a prediction and a fact, then you have problems. And yes 16 million people were not sufficiently swayed by the fairy tale of the leave campaign and instead voted to remain in the EU.
-Matt
Your lack of English comprehension is astounding. It's a fact that the remain campaign made those predictions."
No, my comprehension is just fine. Read what I wrote above about facts. No, in fact that might be too hard for you, I'll paste it below:
"You have a strange concept of 'facts' if you think that predictions are facts. Yes, it can be a fact that something that was predicted. But that doesn't make the thing the prediction is predicting a fact. It is still just a prediction."
-Matt
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"And while you're at it, stop picking on the Remainians too. They are very satisfied with their conviction that nothing will ever be good again and their total infallibility based on Guardian articles.
And facts dont forget them What facts???
The facts about what will happen immediately after voting to leave the EU... You know, the facts like
House prices will drop by 10%
GDP will drop by 3.6%
Unemployment will rise by 500,000
We'll fall into an immediate recession
There will have to be an emergency £30 Billion tax raising budget
Those facts, silly.
Oh, forgot about World War 3...
You have a strange concept of 'facts' if you think that predictions are facts. Yes, it can be a fact that something that was predicted. But that doesn't make the thing the prediction is predicting a fact. It is still just a prediction.
-Matt
And yet all we heard from the remain campaign all the way through were predictions....and making those predictions in such a way to make them sound like facts in order to fool people into voting remain.
It nearly worked. 16 Million were fooled.
How can you make something that hasn't happened sound like a fact? If you can't tell the difference between a prediction and a fact, then you have problems. And yes 16 million people were not sufficiently swayed by the fairy tale of the leave campaign and instead voted to remain in the EU.
-Matt
Your lack of English comprehension is astounding. It's a fact that the remain campaign made those predictions.
No, my comprehension is just fine. Read what I wrote above about facts. No, in fact that might be too hard for you, I'll paste it below:
"You have a strange concept of 'facts' if you think that predictions are facts. Yes, it can be a fact that something that was predicted. But that doesn't make the thing the prediction is predicting a fact. It is still just a prediction."
-Matt
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JandS66 never said that the thing the prediction is predicting is a fact though. They only said that it was a fact the remain campaign made those predictions....and it is a fact the remain campaign made those predictions. |
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"JandS66 never said that the thing the prediction is predicting is a fact though. They only said that it was a fact the remain campaign made those predictions....and it is a fact the remain campaign made those predictions. "
those predictions were predicated on the fact that the then PM call me Dave (I fuck pigs heads) caMoron had said that if the nation voted to leave he would trigger Article 50 the following morning.
He did not!
Therefore any prediction based on the belief that that would happen became null and void. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"JandS66 never said that the thing the prediction is predicting is a fact though. They only said that it was a fact the remain campaign made those predictions....and it is a fact the remain campaign made those predictions.
those predictions were predicated on the fact that the then PM call me Dave (I fuck pigs heads) caMoron had said that if the nation voted to leave he would trigger Article 50 the following morning.
He did not!
Therefore any prediction based on the belief that that would happen became null and void."
As I've said many times before, the treasury report that forecast those things referred consistently to "immediately following a vote to leave". Nowhere in the report did it say "immediately following invoking article 50".
But while you're quoting David Cameron, what did he say about the single market and a vote to leave? |
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"But while you're quoting David Cameron, what did he say about the single market and a vote to leave?"
He said out meant out and nowhere will you find that I have ever said that out should not mean out of everything. All I have been saying is your all about to have a rude awakening when you get what you wanted because it is not going to be the exit from the EU and all its European institutions and entry into a brave new tomorrow you think.
There is a reason there is a saying be careful what you wish for because you may just get it...
Ours is coming to us very quickly, in fact it will be here in 20 months and there are only 14 months negotiating time left before the EU stand up from the table and say sorry UK your time is up we need to do our stuff now so no time to talk to you any more... |
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"But while you're quoting David Cameron, what did he say about the single market and a vote to leave?
He said out meant out and nowhere will you find that I have ever said that out should not mean out of everything. All I have been saying is your all about to have a rude awakening when you get what you wanted because it is not going to be the exit from the EU and all its European institutions and entry into a brave new tomorrow you think.
There is a reason there is a saying be careful what you wish for because you may just get it...
Ours is coming to us very quickly, in fact it will be here in 20 months and there are only 14 months negotiating time left before the EU stand up from the table and say sorry UK your time is up we need to do our stuff now so no time to talk to you any more..."
To use the full quote David Cameron actually said "a vote to leave means leaving the single market". Hope that cleared that up. As for leaving the EU without a deal I've consistently said I'd be happy with that outcome as it would give us a complete clean break with the EU and all its meddling tiresome institutions and courts. Jurisdiction of the ECJ will end in the UK and free movement of people will also end into the UK. As the House of Lords committee report also outlined leaving without a deal means legally we are not obliged to pay the EU a single penny upon leaving (which makes Boris Johnson's "go whistle" comment fully justified and relevant). Then we can trade with the EU on WTO terms (like much of the rest of the world do) and the EU would have to comply with that arrangement under international law. There can be no punishment of Britain by the EU because that would be against WTO rules under international law. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"But while you're quoting David Cameron, what did he say about the single market and a vote to leave?
He said out meant out and nowhere will you find that I have ever said that out should not mean out of everything. All I have been saying is your all about to have a rude awakening when you get what you wanted because it is not going to be the exit from the EU and all its European institutions and entry into a brave new tomorrow you think.
There is a reason there is a saying be careful what you wish for because you may just get it...
Ours is coming to us very quickly, in fact it will be here in 20 months and there are only 14 months negotiating time left before the EU stand up from the table and say sorry UK your time is up we need to do our stuff now so no time to talk to you any more...
To use the full quote David Cameron actually said "a vote to leave means leaving the single market". Hope that cleared that up. As for leaving the EU without a deal I've consistently said I'd be happy with that outcome as it would give us a complete clean break with the EU and all its meddling tiresome institutions and courts. Jurisdiction of the ECJ will end in the UK and free movement of people will also end into the UK. As the House of Lords committee report also outlined leaving without a deal means legally we are not obliged to pay the EU a single penny upon leaving (which makes Boris Johnson's "go whistle" comment fully justified and relevant). Then we can trade with the EU on WTO terms (like much of the rest of the world do) and the EU would have to comply with that arrangement under international law. There can be no punishment of Britain by the EU because that would be against WTO rules under international law. "
...and in doing so would cause complete and utter chaos both financially and regulatory. Not to mention we'd then be trading on far worse terms than we have now. And shown any potential trading partner that we can't be trusted to uphold any contract.
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"But while you're quoting David Cameron, what did he say about the single market and a vote to leave?
He said out meant out and nowhere will you find that I have ever said that out should not mean out of everything. All I have been saying is your all about to have a rude awakening when you get what you wanted because it is not going to be the exit from the EU and all its European institutions and entry into a brave new tomorrow you think.
There is a reason there is a saying be careful what you wish for because you may just get it...
Ours is coming to us very quickly, in fact it will be here in 20 months and there are only 14 months negotiating time left before the EU stand up from the table and say sorry UK your time is up we need to do our stuff now so no time to talk to you any more...
To use the full quote David Cameron actually said "a vote to leave means leaving the single market". Hope that cleared that up. As for leaving the EU without a deal I've consistently said I'd be happy with that outcome as it would give us a complete clean break with the EU and all its meddling tiresome institutions and courts. Jurisdiction of the ECJ will end in the UK and free movement of people will also end into the UK. As the House of Lords committee report also outlined leaving without a deal means legally we are not obliged to pay the EU a single penny upon leaving (which makes Boris Johnson's "go whistle" comment fully justified and relevant). Then we can trade with the EU on WTO terms (like much of the rest of the world do) and the EU would have to comply with that arrangement under international law. There can be no punishment of Britain by the EU because that would be against WTO rules under international law.
...and in doing so would cause complete and utter chaos both financially and regulatory. Not to mention we'd then be trading on far worse terms than we have now. And shown any potential trading partner that we can't be trusted to uphold any contract.
-Matt"
President Donald Trump couldn't care less if we walk away without a deal and don't pay the EU a penny he'd still sign a US trade deal with the UK in a heart beat. The terms we have with the EU now are shit to put it bluntly. Membership of the EU comes with many shitty strings attached like the ECJ having oversight and superiority over our own domestic laws and courts, and us being subject to the free movement of people rules. Over 17 million Brits rejected the shit deal we currently have with the EU in the referendum and said they'd rather leave than continue with the shit deal we currently have. No Deal is better than a bad deal and trading on WTO terms would see the UK quids in on the tariff balance of trade deficit. |
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" As for leaving the EU without a deal I've consistently said I'd be happy with that outcome as it would give us a complete clean break with the EU and all its meddling tiresome institutions and courts. Jurisdiction of the ECJ will end in the UK and free movement of people will also end into the UK. As the House of Lords committee report also outlined leaving without a deal means legally we are not obliged to pay the EU a single penny upon leaving (which makes Boris Johnson's "go whistle" comment fully justified and relevant). Then we can trade with the EU on WTO terms (like much of the rest of the world do) and the EU would have to comply with that arrangement under international law. There can be no punishment of Britain by the EU because that would be against WTO rules under international law. "
So your happy to leave everything meaning:
No open skies so all those cheap flights gone...
No EU certification of our aero industry products, so no more aerospace industry and all those airbus and RR aeroengine jobs gone.
No more Euratom so most of the cancer radiotherapy isotopes no longer available to us, so cancer victims will die unnecessarily.
No more EU new drug approval so we will get to say goodbye to the pharmaceutical research and production industry as they move to where their main market is.
And thats just the tip of the iceberg.
All because you and Boris and those who share your mindset (and I accept there are millions of you) want to stick 2 fingers up to the EU and 'escape' its tiresome meddling...
Ah, I've suddenly realised something. Your one of the 1% earning over £280,000 a year net and with at least £2.5 million pounds worth of non mortgaged (net) assets (like Boris and 27 of the 31 members of the present cabinet). |
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"But while you're quoting David Cameron, what did he say about the single market and a vote to leave?
He said out meant out and nowhere will you find that I have ever said that out should not mean out of everything. All I have been saying is your all about to have a rude awakening when you get what you wanted because it is not going to be the exit from the EU and all its European institutions and entry into a brave new tomorrow you think.
There is a reason there is a saying be careful what you wish for because you may just get it...
Ours is coming to us very quickly, in fact it will be here in 20 months and there are only 14 months negotiating time left before the EU stand up from the table and say sorry UK your time is up we need to do our stuff now so no time to talk to you any more...
To use the full quote David Cameron actually said "a vote to leave means leaving the single market". Hope that cleared that up. As for leaving the EU without a deal I've consistently said I'd be happy with that outcome as it would give us a complete clean break with the EU and all its meddling tiresome institutions and courts. Jurisdiction of the ECJ will end in the UK and free movement of people will also end into the UK. As the House of Lords committee report also outlined leaving without a deal means legally we are not obliged to pay the EU a single penny upon leaving (which makes Boris Johnson's "go whistle" comment fully justified and relevant). Then we can trade with the EU on WTO terms (like much of the rest of the world do) and the EU would have to comply with that arrangement under international law. There can be no punishment of Britain by the EU because that would be against WTO rules under international law.
...and in doing so would cause complete and utter chaos both financially and regulatory. Not to mention we'd then be trading on far worse terms than we have now. And shown any potential trading partner that we can't be trusted to uphold any contract.
-Matt
President Donald Trump couldn't care less if we walk away without a deal and don't pay the EU a penny he'd still sign a US trade deal with the UK in a heart beat. The terms we have with the EU now are shit to put it bluntly. Membership of the EU comes with many shitty strings attached like the ECJ having oversight and superiority over our own domestic laws and courts, and us being subject to the free movement of people rules. Over 17 million Brits rejected the shit deal we currently have with the EU in the referendum and said they'd rather leave than continue with the shit deal we currently have. No Deal is better than a bad deal and trading on WTO terms would see the UK quids in on the tariff balance of trade deficit. "
Good old centaur talking his usual bollocks
See your trumps right hand man now then
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"But while you're quoting David Cameron, what did he say about the single market and a vote to leave?
He said out meant out and nowhere will you find that I have ever said that out should not mean out of everything. All I have been saying is your all about to have a rude awakening when you get what you wanted because it is not going to be the exit from the EU and all its European institutions and entry into a brave new tomorrow you think.
There is a reason there is a saying be careful what you wish for because you may just get it...
Ours is coming to us very quickly, in fact it will be here in 20 months and there are only 14 months negotiating time left before the EU stand up from the table and say sorry UK your time is up we need to do our stuff now so no time to talk to you any more...
To use the full quote David Cameron actually said "a vote to leave means leaving the single market". Hope that cleared that up. As for leaving the EU without a deal I've consistently said I'd be happy with that outcome as it would give us a complete clean break with the EU and all its meddling tiresome institutions and courts. Jurisdiction of the ECJ will end in the UK and free movement of people will also end into the UK. As the House of Lords committee report also outlined leaving without a deal means legally we are not obliged to pay the EU a single penny upon leaving (which makes Boris Johnson's "go whistle" comment fully justified and relevant). Then we can trade with the EU on WTO terms (like much of the rest of the world do) and the EU would have to comply with that arrangement under international law. There can be no punishment of Britain by the EU because that would be against WTO rules under international law.
...and in doing so would cause complete and utter chaos both financially and regulatory. Not to mention we'd then be trading on far worse terms than we have now. And shown any potential trading partner that we can't be trusted to uphold any contract.
-Matt
President Donald Trump couldn't care less if we walk away without a deal and don't pay the EU a penny he'd still sign a US trade deal with the UK in a heart beat. The terms we have with the EU now are shit to put it bluntly. Membership of the EU comes with many shitty strings attached like the ECJ having oversight and superiority over our own domestic laws and courts, and us being subject to the free movement of people rules. Over 17 million Brits rejected the shit deal we currently have with the EU in the referendum and said they'd rather leave than continue with the shit deal we currently have. No Deal is better than a bad deal and trading on WTO terms would see the UK quids in on the tariff balance of trade deficit.
Good old centaur talking his usual bollocks
See your trumps right hand man now then
Oh no sorry I forgot you beilive everything in the press and media "
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"But while you're quoting David Cameron, what did he say about the single market and a vote to leave?
He said out meant out and nowhere will you find that I have ever said that out should not mean out of everything. All I have been saying is your all about to have a rude awakening when you get what you wanted because it is not going to be the exit from the EU and all its European institutions and entry into a brave new tomorrow you think.
There is a reason there is a saying be careful what you wish for because you may just get it...
Ours is coming to us very quickly, in fact it will be here in 20 months and there are only 14 months negotiating time left before the EU stand up from the table and say sorry UK your time is up we need to do our stuff now so no time to talk to you any more...
To use the full quote David Cameron actually said "a vote to leave means leaving the single market". Hope that cleared that up. As for leaving the EU without a deal I've consistently said I'd be happy with that outcome as it would give us a complete clean break with the EU and all its meddling tiresome institutions and courts. Jurisdiction of the ECJ will end in the UK and free movement of people will also end into the UK. As the House of Lords committee report also outlined leaving without a deal means legally we are not obliged to pay the EU a single penny upon leaving (which makes Boris Johnson's "go whistle" comment fully justified and relevant). Then we can trade with the EU on WTO terms (like much of the rest of the world do) and the EU would have to comply with that arrangement under international law. There can be no punishment of Britain by the EU because that would be against WTO rules under international law.
...and in doing so would cause complete and utter chaos both financially and regulatory. Not to mention we'd then be trading on far worse terms than we have now. And shown any potential trading partner that we can't be trusted to uphold any contract.
-Matt
President Donald Trump couldn't care less if we walk away without a deal and don't pay the EU a penny he'd still sign a US trade deal with the UK in a heart beat. The terms we have with the EU now are shit to put it bluntly. Membership of the EU comes with many shitty strings attached like the ECJ having oversight and superiority over our own domestic laws and courts, and us being subject to the free movement of people rules. Over 17 million Brits rejected the shit deal we currently have with the EU in the referendum and said they'd rather leave than continue with the shit deal we currently have. No Deal is better than a bad deal and trading on WTO terms would see the UK quids in on the tariff balance of trade deficit.
Good old centaur talking his usual bollocks
See your trumps right hand man now then
Oh no sorry I forgot you beilive everything in the press and media
Keep the insults coming it just means you've lost the argument. "
I've not lost any argument you just need pulling up from time to time as your brainwashed by all the bullshit the press make
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"But while you're quoting David Cameron, what did he say about the single market and a vote to leave?
He said out meant out and nowhere will you find that I have ever said that out should not mean out of everything. All I have been saying is your all about to have a rude awakening when you get what you wanted because it is not going to be the exit from the EU and all its European institutions and entry into a brave new tomorrow you think.
There is a reason there is a saying be careful what you wish for because you may just get it...
Ours is coming to us very quickly, in fact it will be here in 20 months and there are only 14 months negotiating time left before the EU stand up from the table and say sorry UK your time is up we need to do our stuff now so no time to talk to you any more...
To use the full quote David Cameron actually said "a vote to leave means leaving the single market". Hope that cleared that up. As for leaving the EU without a deal I've consistently said I'd be happy with that outcome as it would give us a complete clean break with the EU and all its meddling tiresome institutions and courts. Jurisdiction of the ECJ will end in the UK and free movement of people will also end into the UK. As the House of Lords committee report also outlined leaving without a deal means legally we are not obliged to pay the EU a single penny upon leaving (which makes Boris Johnson's "go whistle" comment fully justified and relevant). Then we can trade with the EU on WTO terms (like much of the rest of the world do) and the EU would have to comply with that arrangement under international law. There can be no punishment of Britain by the EU because that would be against WTO rules under international law.
...and in doing so would cause complete and utter chaos both financially and regulatory. Not to mention we'd then be trading on far worse terms than we have now. And shown any potential trading partner that we can't be trusted to uphold any contract.
-Matt
President Donald Trump couldn't care less if we walk away without a deal and don't pay the EU a penny he'd still sign a US trade deal with the UK in a heart beat. The terms we have with the EU now are shit to put it bluntly. Membership of the EU comes with many shitty strings attached like the ECJ having oversight and superiority over our own domestic laws and courts, and us being subject to the free movement of people rules. Over 17 million Brits rejected the shit deal we currently have with the EU in the referendum and said they'd rather leave than continue with the shit deal we currently have. No Deal is better than a bad deal and trading on WTO terms would see the UK quids in on the tariff balance of trade deficit. "
Those quids that the NHS were promised ....then retracted after the referendum had taken place.....tbh Centaur if you haven't realised Trumps not to be trusted by now then you never will cherub |
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President Donald Trump couldn't care less if we walk away without a deal and don't pay the EU a penny he'd still sign a US trade deal with the UK in a heart beat. The terms we have with the EU now are shit to put it bluntly. Membership of the EU comes with many shitty strings attached like the ECJ having oversight and superiority over our own domestic laws and courts, and us being subject to the free movement of people rules. Over 17 million Brits rejected the shit deal we currently have with the EU in the referendum and said they'd rather leave than continue with the shit deal we currently have. No Deal is better than a bad deal and trading on WTO terms would see the UK quids in on the tariff balance of trade deficit. "
Ha ha, you and BoJo will be the last people in Europe still pretending that no deal is an option for the UK. It isnt. Thats why everyone actually involved in negotiating Brexit on the Tory side has stopped talking about it.
Youve had it explained to you many times that the technical barriers to trade will be massive without a deal even if UK businesses could handle the increases in tariffs.
No deal means that all goods going from the UK to EU will have to be inspected. Truck drivers wont be able to drive from the UK to the EU. Planes will not be able to fly from the UK to the EU. Calais, for example, has limited resources to handle non EU goods so where do the UK even ship to?
And according to a survey by the British Chamber of Commerce 98% of businesses in the UK want a deal with the EU. |
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President Donald Trump couldn't care less if we walk away without a deal and don't pay the EU a penny he'd still sign a US trade deal with the UK in a heart beat. The terms we have with the EU now are shit to put it bluntly. Membership of the EU comes with many shitty strings attached like the ECJ having oversight and superiority over our own domestic laws and courts, and us being subject to the free movement of people rules. Over 17 million Brits rejected the shit deal we currently have with the EU in the referendum and said they'd rather leave than continue with the shit deal we currently have. No Deal is better than a bad deal and trading on WTO terms would see the UK quids in on the tariff balance of trade deficit.
Ha ha, you and BoJo will be the last people in Europe still pretending that no deal is an option for the UK. It isnt. Thats why everyone actually involved in negotiating Brexit on the Tory side has stopped talking about it.
Youve had it explained to you many times that the technical barriers to trade will be massive without a deal even if UK businesses could handle the increases in tariffs.
No deal means that all goods going from the UK to EU will have to be inspected. Truck drivers wont be able to drive from the UK to the EU. Planes will not be able to fly from the UK to the EU. Calais, for example, has limited resources to handle non EU goods so where do the UK even ship to?
And according to a survey by the British Chamber of Commerce 98% of businesses in the UK want a deal with the EU."
I don't think you understand how customs work. And we all want a deal with the EU but what percentage of UK businesses actually deal with the EU? |
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President Donald Trump couldn't care less if we walk away without a deal and don't pay the EU a penny he'd still sign a US trade deal with the UK in a heart beat. The terms we have with the EU now are shit to put it bluntly. Membership of the EU comes with many shitty strings attached like the ECJ having oversight and superiority over our own domestic laws and courts, and us being subject to the free movement of people rules. Over 17 million Brits rejected the shit deal we currently have with the EU in the referendum and said they'd rather leave than continue with the shit deal we currently have. No Deal is better than a bad deal and trading on WTO terms would see the UK quids in on the tariff balance of trade deficit.
Ha ha, you and BoJo will be the last people in Europe still pretending that no deal is an option for the UK. It isnt. Thats why everyone actually involved in negotiating Brexit on the Tory side has stopped talking about it.
Youve had it explained to you many times that the technical barriers to trade will be massive without a deal even if UK businesses could handle the increases in tariffs.
No deal means that all goods going from the UK to EU will have to be inspected. Truck drivers wont be able to drive from the UK to the EU. Planes will not be able to fly from the UK to the EU. Calais, for example, has limited resources to handle non EU goods so where do the UK even ship to?
And according to a survey by the British Chamber of Commerce 98% of businesses in the UK want a deal with the EU.
I don't think you understand how customs work. And we all want a deal with the EU but what percentage of UK businesses actually deal with the EU?"
No deal means NO deal. Not on tariffs, not on open skies, not on Euratom, not on MRAs, not on anything.
If the UK leaves with no deal that means that they have no mutual recognition agreements. At the moment anyone can ship goods manufactured in the UK to anywhere in the EU freely.
In the case of no deal UK goods will be subject to tariffs. They will also be subject to customs and regulatory checks. This means they will be stopped at the border and examined. In order to facilitiate this goods will have to be stored pending examination (which can take days), inspectors will have to be paid to perform these checks and then the goods will be allowed through.
This means that UK exporters wont be able to use JIT stock management as they will have to allow for these delays. This will increase costs. Tariffs will also increase costs.
Calais also doesnt have the capacity to deal with the massive increase in non EU goods that Brexit will bring. There would need to be more staff and infrastructure to deal with the change of uk goods being treated as foreign.
23% of UK businesses export to the EU or are in the supply chains of businesses that do. EU exports also represent 13% of the UKs GDP. |
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By *omaMan
over a year ago
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"strike vote? 40% of the voting turnout? what the fuck are you on? . . .
The vote was a referendum not a strike vote you dumbass . .
you can't compare one to the other . .
a referendum is a straight question . In or Out . . the side with the most counted votes wins, and that policy has been taken forward.
Suck it up . . . Britain voted to leave by a majority.
You don't like it, and many don't. But as the result showed, more did like it.
That's what's called a democratic vote
Oh and by the way, that's exactly what strikes used to be based on until government intervened years ago. Majority . . . . .regardless of percentages of the number of votes cast . . . . . Probably Thatcher is the architect behind the change.
See there goes a brexiteer spouting their bile again (but dont worry I will not be reporting you in order to silence your opinion, I leave that to brexiteers). Of course I know the referendum was not the same as a strike vote. IT WAS A LOT MORE IMPORTANT! My point you ignorant troll was that with such an important decision the requirements of the referendum to change the status quo should have been at least as high if not higher than those required to call a strike.
And yet again let me point out the leave vote WAS NOT a majority it was less than 40% of the total eligible to vote and that is not a majority! And if you dont like me continually pointing this out all you have to say is 'we got more votes to leave than stay' or similar and I will agree with you every day."
WRONG !
I for one didn't vote to leave
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