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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
context first......
there has always been a ban on transgender people serving in the military....
what then president obama proposed was that transgender people be allowed to openly serve in non frontline roles.....
that decision was put back by 6 months at the beginning of the trump administration
trump has basically reversed that decision....... |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"What I understand. Trump said they can not serve in "any capacity" in military  "
.... and this is now the quandry
when president obama decided on this change of policy... around 300 people in the armed forces come out as transgender
they delayed new transgender people from enlisting so those people so i assume will just be refused
the question now becomes what happens to those who "came out"? |
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"What I understand. Trump said they can not serve in "any capacity" in military
.... and this is now the quandry
when president obama decided on this change of policy... around 300 people in the armed forces come out as transgender
they delayed new transgender people from enlisting so those people so i assume will just be refused
the question now becomes what happens to those who "came out"? "
They will be sent out  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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His opposition to LBGT groups, ethnic minorities and so on was known before the election.
He's been democratically elected.
So let's respect this, it's what the majority of people want  |
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"His opposition to LBGT groups, ethnic minorities and so on was known before the election.
He's been democratically elected.
So let's respect this, it's what the majority of people want "
Uh, no. That's not how it works. Democracy doesn't mean you have to automatically respect the decisions that leader takes.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As I wrote in the other thread on the same topic....
We'll see how far this actually goes. The military has actually be very accepting of various sexualities serving. Besides, the policy will likely be changed once he's out of office or in the near future.
It's hard to sustain the US military in the numbers it requires. With people becoming more open about their sexuality necessity will eventually dictate acceptance, even if nothing else does. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Explains why America has the nickname of dumbfuckistan with people I know.. "
The vast majority of North Americans are decent people.
The very same people who make statements like that are in fact just as bad as the people they're trying to make out as prejudice.
It's a beautiful country....with political problems like anywhere, though looking into the UK from outside, many have the same opinion of us post brexit. |
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"His opposition to LBGT groups, ethnic minorities and so on was known before the election.
He's been democratically elected.
So let's respect this, it's what the majority of people want "
How do you know it is what the majority of people want, he did not achieve a numerical advantage in the actual number of votes cast..
and the irony of talking about 'respect' and Trump with his history of exploitation in general, racist practises in business and whilst in office thus far and his attitude toward women is a bit of a stretch..
Should the country have respected the poll tax? |
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"I thought this was a joke when i first read it.
Wowzers! 
Why does it cost so much money for them to be in the military i wonder.
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Do they demand more flamboyant uniforms? If not, it's hard to see the assitional costs. |
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"Explains why America has the nickname of dumbfuckistan with people I know..
The vast majority of North Americans are decent people.
The very same people who make statements like that are in fact just as bad as the people they're trying to make out as prejudice.
It's a beautiful country....with political problems like anywhere, though looking into the UK from outside, many have the same opinion of us post brexit."
There are 2 countries in the world that really have the power to shape world events. That breeds a lot of jealousy, especially from a country that used to occupy that #1 position. |
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"Explains why America has the nickname of dumbfuckistan with people I know..
What does that make a less economically successful country like ours then? Federal republic of sour grapes? "
Ah but ours isn't propped up by over a million unpaid workers... equally we dont have such an enormous youth drug problem. etc etc ..You should base a country's success upon more than the flow of cash. |
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"His opposition to LBGT groups, ethnic minorities and so on was known before the election.
He's been democratically elected.
So let's respect this, it's what the majority of people want
How do you know it is what the majority of people want, he did not achieve a numerical advantage in the actual number of votes cast..
and the irony of talking about 'respect' and Trump with his history of exploitation in general, racist practises in business and whilst in office thus far and his attitude toward women is a bit of a stretch..
Should the country have respected the poll tax? "
Poll tax = council tax. |
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"Explains why America has the nickname of dumbfuckistan with people I know..
What does that make a less economically successful country like ours then? Federal republic of sour grapes?
Ah but ours isn't propped up by over a million unpaid workers... equally we dont have such an enormous youth drug problem. etc etc ..You should base a country's success upon more than the flow of cash. "
It's not the flow of cash. The median american has a superior standard of living to the median Brit. That's just a fact. |
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"His opposition to LBGT groups, ethnic minorities and so on was known before the election.
He's been democratically elected.
So let's respect this, it's what the majority of people want
How do you know it is what the majority of people want, he did not achieve a numerical advantage in the actual number of votes cast..
and the irony of talking about 'respect' and Trump with his history of exploitation in general, racist practises in business and whilst in office thus far and his attitude toward women is a bit of a stretch..
Should the country have respected the poll tax? "
Which time? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Explains why America has the nickname of dumbfuckistan with people I know..
What does that make a less economically successful country like ours then? Federal republic of sour grapes?
Ah but ours isn't propped up by over a million unpaid workers... equally we dont have such an enormous youth drug problem. etc etc ..You should base a country's success upon more than the flow of cash.
It's not the flow of cash. The median american has a superior standard of living to the median Brit. That's just a fact. "
very true indeed |
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"Explains why America has the nickname of dumbfuckistan with people I know..
What does that make a less economically successful country like ours then? Federal republic of sour grapes?
Ah but ours isn't propped up by over a million unpaid workers... equally we dont have such an enormous youth drug problem. etc etc ..You should base a country's success upon more than the flow of cash.
It's not the flow of cash. The median american has a superior standard of living to the median Brit. That's just a fact. "
Didn't look it when i lived there. |
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"Explains why America has the nickname of dumbfuckistan with people I know..
What does that make a less economically successful country like ours then? Federal republic of sour grapes?
Ah but ours isn't propped up by over a million unpaid workers... equally we dont have such an enormous youth drug problem. etc etc ..You should base a country's success upon more than the flow of cash.
It's not the flow of cash. The median american has a superior standard of living to the median Brit. That's just a fact.
Didn't look it when i lived there. "
You'd be better off arguing that it sucks to be poor in america. The trend at the median level is beyond reasonable dispute. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Explains why America has the nickname of dumbfuckistan with people I know..
What does that make a less economically successful country like ours then? Federal republic of sour grapes?
Ah but ours isn't propped up by over a million unpaid workers... equally we dont have such an enormous youth drug problem. etc etc ..You should base a country's success upon more than the flow of cash.
It's not the flow of cash. The median american has a superior standard of living to the median Brit. That's just a fact.
Didn't look it when i lived there. "
what you have to realise america is very similar to my home country if your poor you are really poor if you are rich you are extremely rich and everything inbetween
and the uk has a very small population compared to the usa, so you cannot really compare them |
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"Explains why America has the nickname of dumbfuckistan with people I know..
What does that make a less economically successful country like ours then? Federal republic of sour grapes?
Ah but ours isn't propped up by over a million unpaid workers... equally we dont have such an enormous youth drug problem. etc etc ..You should base a country's success upon more than the flow of cash.
It's not the flow of cash. The median american has a superior standard of living to the median Brit. That's just a fact.
Didn't look it when i lived there. what you have to realise america is very similar to my home country if your poor you are really poor if you are rich you are extremely rich and everything inbetween
and the uk has a very small population compared to the usa, so you cannot really compare them"
Surely percentages are percentages? |
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"Explains why America has the nickname of dumbfuckistan with people I know..
What does that make a less economically successful country like ours then? Federal republic of sour grapes?
Ah but ours isn't propped up by over a million unpaid workers... equally we dont have such an enormous youth drug problem. etc etc ..You should base a country's success upon more than the flow of cash.
It's not the flow of cash. The median american has a superior standard of living to the median Brit. That's just a fact.
Didn't look it when i lived there. what you have to realise america is very similar to my home country if your poor you are really poor if you are rich you are extremely rich and everything inbetween
and the uk has a very small population compared to the usa, so you cannot really compare them"
Hence why the US has a gini coefficient of 47 to britians 32 (higher score equals more inequality). But the middle and top are proper bo, i tell thee |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Explains why America has the nickname of dumbfuckistan with people I know..
What does that make a less economically successful country like ours then? Federal republic of sour grapes?
Ah but ours isn't propped up by over a million unpaid workers... equally we dont have such an enormous youth drug problem. etc etc ..You should base a country's success upon more than the flow of cash.
It's not the flow of cash. The median american has a superior standard of living to the median Brit. That's just a fact.
Didn't look it when i lived there. what you have to realise america is very similar to my home country if your poor you are really poor if you are rich you are extremely rich and everything inbetween
and the uk has a very small population compared to the usa, so you cannot really compare them
Surely percentages are percentages? "
no not really its a very different lifestyle there
obviously from health to university graduates things will be higher in most cases
like sports in well of countries to a country less well off would be rather silly to compare |
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"Explains why America has the nickname of dumbfuckistan with people I know..
What does that make a less economically successful country like ours then? Federal republic of sour grapes?
Ah but ours isn't propped up by over a million unpaid workers... equally we dont have such an enormous youth drug problem. etc etc ..You should base a country's success upon more than the flow of cash.
It's not the flow of cash. The median american has a superior standard of living to the median Brit. That's just a fact.
Didn't look it when i lived there. what you have to realise america is very similar to my home country if your poor you are really poor if you are rich you are extremely rich and everything inbetween
and the uk has a very small population compared to the usa, so you cannot really compare them
Surely percentages are percentages? no not really its a very different lifestyle there
obviously from health to university graduates things will be higher in most cases
like sports in well of countries to a country less well off would be rather silly to compare"
I don't agree with you. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Speaking as a serving officer in the British army my view on this subject is irrelevant.
I will leave it up to those in civvy street who know best on here to decide how the American military should be run. |
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"Speaking as a serving officer in the British army my view on this subject is irrelevant.
I will leave it up to those in civvy street who know best on here to decide how the American military should be run."
Go on, you know you want to... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Explains why America has the nickname of dumbfuckistan with people I know..
What does that make a less economically successful country like ours then? Federal republic of sour grapes?
Ah but ours isn't propped up by over a million unpaid workers... equally we dont have such an enormous youth drug problem. etc etc ..You should base a country's success upon more than the flow of cash.
It's not the flow of cash. The median american has a superior standard of living to the median Brit. That's just a fact.
Didn't look it when i lived there. what you have to realise america is very similar to my home country if your poor you are really poor if you are rich you are extremely rich and everything inbetween
and the uk has a very small population compared to the usa, so you cannot really compare them
Surely percentages are percentages? no not really its a very different lifestyle there
obviously from health to university graduates things will be higher in most cases
like sports in well of countries to a country less well off would be rather silly to compare
I don't agree with you. "
not asking you too its all sweet
a countries internal affairs should be decided by that countries people not world media ( mainly uk bbc media) continously trying to destroy those that do not fit into their way of thinking
ou only have to look at your labour leader there
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By (user no longer on site)
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"His opposition to LBGT groups, ethnic minorities and so on was known before the election.
He's been democratically elected.
So let's respect this, it's what the majority of people want
How do you know it is what the majority of people want, he did not achieve a numerical advantage in the actual number of votes cast..
and the irony of talking about 'respect' and Trump with his history of exploitation in general, racist practises in business and whilst in office thus far and his attitude toward women is a bit of a stretch..
Should the country have respected the poll tax? "
You've got to admit that before the election, everyone knew he was fairly racist, misogynistic, and anti LGBT.
Based on that knowledge, he was elected president.
Therefore it's a fair assumption these views are held by a majority of people. I'd say the same goes in the UK. Tolerance, inclusivity and political correctness has had it's day now. Things have changed |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"His opposition to LBGT groups, ethnic minorities and so on was known before the election.
He's been democratically elected.
So let's respect this, it's what the majority of people want
How do you know it is what the majority of people want, he did not achieve a numerical advantage in the actual number of votes cast..
and the irony of talking about 'respect' and Trump with his history of exploitation in general, racist practises in business and whilst in office thus far and his attitude toward women is a bit of a stretch..
Should the country have respected the poll tax?
You've got to admit that before the election, everyone knew he was fairly racist, misogynistic, and anti LGBT.
Based on that knowledge, he was elected president.
Therefore it's a fair assumption these views are held by a majority of people. I'd say the same goes in the UK. Tolerance, inclusivity and political correctness has had it's day now. Things have changed "
political correctness want throwing in the bin
and many voted him for varied reasons
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Would a Muslim country allow them in there's 
But that's acceptable  "
Duh! Here we go another beauty. Wtf banning them in US military got to with muslims countries. Do you want them thrown off from rooftops next. Pathetic  |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"the main reason is cost of health associated..
to what extent i do not know
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The costs has been estimated to about $8m dollars, for a military of 1.3m people, that's a tiny sum. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"His opposition to LBGT groups, ethnic minorities and so on was known before the election.
He's been democratically elected.
So let's respect this, it's what the majority of people want
How do you know it is what the majority of people want, he did not achieve a numerical advantage in the actual number of votes cast..
and the irony of talking about 'respect' and Trump with his history of exploitation in general, racist practises in business and whilst in office thus far and his attitude toward women is a bit of a stretch..
Should the country have respected the poll tax?
You've got to admit that before the election, everyone knew he was fairly racist, misogynistic, and anti LGBT.
Based on that knowledge, he was elected president.
Therefore it's a fair assumption these views are held by a majority of people. I'd say the same goes in the UK. Tolerance, inclusivity and political correctness has had it's day now. Things have changed
political correctness want throwing in the bin
and many voted him for varied reasons
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"Tolerance" Has had it's day, eh "Superkinkycouple" I look forward to you being jailed for sexual deviance sometime in the near future.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Would a Muslim country allow them in there's
But that's acceptable
Duh! Here we go another beauty. Wtf banning them in US military got to with muslims countries. Do you want them thrown off from rooftops next. Pathetic "
If it's acceptable for those country's to then why not America sherlock |
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"Would a Muslim country allow them in there's
But that's acceptable
Duh! Here we go another beauty. Wtf banning them in US military got to with muslims countries. Do you want them thrown off from rooftops next. Pathetic
If it's acceptable for those country's to then why not America sherlock"
Because we don't all need to lower our standards to the lowest common denominator. |
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"His opposition to LBGT groups, ethnic minorities and so on was known before the election.
He's been democratically elected.
So let's respect this, it's what the majority of people want
How do you know it is what the majority of people want, he did not achieve a numerical advantage in the actual number of votes cast..
and the irony of talking about 'respect' and Trump with his history of exploitation in general, racist practises in business and whilst in office thus far and his attitude toward women is a bit of a stretch..
Should the country have respected the poll tax?
You've got to admit that before the election, everyone knew he was fairly racist, misogynistic, and anti LGBT.
Based on that knowledge, he was elected president.
Therefore it's a fair assumption these views are held by a majority of people. I'd say the same goes in the UK. Tolerance, inclusivity and political correctness has had it's day now. Things have changed "
Be honest you probably never had any of the above excepting pc which i'm sure is high on your agenda..
btw, such things are not a trend or the latest popular soap opera moment..
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Would a Muslim country allow them in there's
But that's acceptable
Duh! Here we go another beauty. Wtf banning them in US military got to with muslims countries. Do you want them thrown off from rooftops next. Pathetic
If it's acceptable for those country's to then why not America sherlock
Because we don't all need to lower our standards to the lowest common denominator. "
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Would a Muslim country allow them in there's
But that's acceptable
Duh! Here we go another beauty. Wtf banning them in US military got to with muslims countries. Do you want them thrown off from rooftops next. Pathetic
If it's acceptable for those country's to then why not America sherlock"
But it isn't in either case, though is it?
It's quite an odd thing to say really. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Would a Muslim country allow them in there's
But that's acceptable
Duh! Here we go another beauty. Wtf banning them in US military got to with muslims countries. Do you want them thrown off from rooftops next. Pathetic
If it's acceptable for those country's to then why not America sherlock
But it isn't in either case, though is it?
It's quite an odd thing to say really. "
Never seen a forum post about it though. Have you |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Would a Muslim country allow them in there's
But that's acceptable
Duh! Here we go another beauty. Wtf banning them in US military got to with muslims countries. Do you want them thrown off from rooftops next. Pathetic
If it's acceptable for those country's to then why not America sherlock
But it isn't in either case, though is it?
It's quite an odd thing to say really.
Never seen a forum post about it though. Have you"
I believe in equal rights. But why just focus on one c**t when others have done it for years without a word said |
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"Because we don't all need to lower our standards to the lowest common denominator. "
And THIS is my real problem with the Trump administration - I feel that not only is America lowering itself to the lowest common denominator, but it's trying to set the standard. Makes me sad.  |
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"Because we don't all need to lower our standards to the lowest common denominator.
And THIS is my real problem with the Trump administration - I feel that not only is America lowering itself to the lowest common denominator, but it's trying to set the standard. Makes me sad. "
If it helps, China is still strongly pushing free trade rather than protectionism and i predict that we will see a bunch new chinese created institutions to rival the world bank and WTO. So when america is no longer the world leader then you can come ask British people for advice on dealing with perpetual decline. |
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"Because we don't all need to lower our standards to the lowest common denominator.
And THIS is my real problem with the Trump administration - I feel that not only is America lowering itself to the lowest common denominator, but it's trying to set the standard. Makes me sad. "
what you have had is generations adding in the millions of people of western part of the world being born in poverty and no chance of escaping poverty and thats a disgrace, so people want a change
look at this country with your class system its still there, and to think otherwise is folly |
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"His opposition to LBGT groups, ethnic minorities and so on was known before the election.
He's been democratically elected.
So let's respect this, it's what the majority of people want
How do you know it is what the majority of people want, he did not achieve a numerical advantage in the actual number of votes cast..
and the irony of talking about 'respect' and Trump with his history of exploitation in general, racist practises in business and whilst in office thus far and his attitude toward women is a bit of a stretch..
Should the country have respected the poll tax?
You've got to admit that before the election, everyone knew he was fairly racist, misogynistic, and anti LGBT.
Based on that knowledge, he was elected president.
Therefore it's a fair assumption these views are held by a majority of people. I'd say the same goes in the UK. Tolerance, inclusivity and political correctness has had it's day now. Things have changed
political correctness want throwing in the bin
and many voted him for varied reasons
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Ok just so I'm clear
You feel it is not only perfectly acceptable for a person to openly hold a number of inaccurate and very very very judgmental, with extra toppings of hate and negativity towards transgender but that any world member who thinks such views points should be counterbalanced and responded to is at fault ?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"His opposition to LBGT groups, ethnic minorities and so on was known before the election.
He's been democratically elected.
So let's respect this, it's what the majority of people want
How do you know it is what the majority of people want, he did not achieve a numerical advantage in the actual number of votes cast..
and the irony of talking about 'respect' and Trump with his history of exploitation in general, racist practises in business and whilst in office thus far and his attitude toward women is a bit of a stretch..
Should the country have respected the poll tax?
You've got to admit that before the election, everyone knew he was fairly racist, misogynistic, and anti LGBT.
Based on that knowledge, he was elected president.
Therefore it's a fair assumption these views are held by a majority of people. I'd say the same goes in the UK. Tolerance, inclusivity and political correctness has had it's day now. Things have changed
political correctness want throwing in the bin
and many voted him for varied reasons
Ok just so I'm clear
You feel it is not only perfectly acceptable for a person to openly hold a number of inaccurate and very very very judgmental, with extra toppings of hate and negativity towards transgender but that any world member who thinks such views points should be counterbalanced and responded to is at fault ?
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ive not said any of what you put there  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" You feel it is not only perfectly acceptable for a person to openly hold a number of inaccurate and very very very judgmental, with extra toppings of hate and negativity towards transgender"
If anyone wants to feel that way, who am I to say it's wrong?
If a large number of people feel that way and vote for a president who also feels that way, who am I to say it's wrong?
By all means you can have the opposite view, but the way the world is now going, I think the LGBT agenda is pretty much irrelevant. |
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"Because we don't all need to lower our standards to the lowest common denominator.
And THIS is my real problem with the Trump administration - I feel that not only is America lowering itself to the lowest common denominator, but it's trying to set the standard. Makes me sad. what you have had is generations adding in the millions of people of western part of the world being born in poverty and no chance of escaping poverty and thats a disgrace, so people want a change
look at this country with your class system its still there, and to think otherwise is folly"
My class system?! Fuck that, I may have to answer for Trump as an American, but I'll be damned if I'm answering for the British class system, too.
People can want all the change they can get, but they should want change for the better, not change for the sake of it. It's all just an excuse. |
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" You feel it is not only perfectly acceptable for a person to openly hold a number of inaccurate and very very very judgmental, with extra toppings of hate and negativity towards transgender
If anyone wants to feel that way, who am I to say it's wrong?
If a large number of people feel that way and vote for a president who also feels that way, who am I to say it's wrong?
By all means you can have the opposite view, but the way the world is now going, I think the LGBT agenda is pretty much irrelevant."
Acting so meek would you extend that who am I statement to female genital mutilation ? How about arranged marriage, treating ra ped women as wrong doers . What example of one human degrading another in thoughts or actions would be enough to proudly vocalise it's wrong ?
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"Because we don't all need to lower our standards to the lowest common denominator.
And THIS is my real problem with the Trump administration - I feel that not only is America lowering itself to the lowest common denominator, but it's trying to set the standard. Makes me sad. what you have had is generations adding in the millions of people of western part of the world being born in poverty and no chance of escaping poverty and thats a disgrace, so people want a change
look at this country with your class system its still there, and to think otherwise is folly
My class system?! Fuck that, I may have to answer for Trump as an American, but I'll be damned if I'm answering for the British class system, too.
People can want all the change they can get, but they should want change for the better, not change for the sake of it. It's all just an excuse."
no i put look at the class system in this country .. its still there and anyone who thinks not.... |
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"Because we don't all need to lower our standards to the lowest common denominator.
And THIS is my real problem with the Trump administration - I feel that not only is America lowering itself to the lowest common denominator, but it's trying to set the standard. Makes me sad. what you have had is generations adding in the millions of people of western part of the world being born in poverty and no chance of escaping poverty and thats a disgrace, so people want a change
look at this country with your class system its still there, and to think otherwise is folly
My class system?! Fuck that, I may have to answer for Trump as an American, but I'll be damned if I'm answering for the British class system, too.
People can want all the change they can get, but they should want change for the better, not change for the sake of it. It's all just an excuse. no i put look at the class system in this country .. its still there and anyone who thinks not...."
You put "your class system." Since I'm not British it isn't mine. |
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whether folk like it or not he won the elctoral vote.. thats it
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also people in most countries that have a strong presence of glabalisation feel left behind and when ignored it bring out the not too popular extremist of politcal life to fill that void, the same happened in my country when it was brought virtually to its knees |
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"Because we don't all need to lower our standards to the lowest common denominator.
And THIS is my real problem with the Trump administration - I feel that not only is America lowering itself to the lowest common denominator, but it's trying to set the standard. Makes me sad. what you have had is generations adding in the millions of people of western part of the world being born in poverty and no chance of escaping poverty and thats a disgrace, so people want a change
look at this country with your class system its still there, and to think otherwise is folly
My class system?! Fuck that, I may have to answer for Trump as an American, but I'll be damned if I'm answering for the British class system, too.
People can want all the change they can get, but they should want change for the better, not change for the sake of it. It's all just an excuse. no i put look at the class system in this country .. its still there and anyone who thinks not....
You put "your class system." Since I'm not British it isn't mine. "
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"Because we don't all need to lower our standards to the lowest common denominator.
And THIS is my real problem with the Trump administration - I feel that not only is America lowering itself to the lowest common denominator, but it's trying to set the standard. Makes me sad. what you have had is generations adding in the millions of people of western part of the world being born in poverty and no chance of escaping poverty and thats a disgrace, so people want a change
look at this country with your class system its still there, and to think otherwise is folly
My class system?! Fuck that, I may have to answer for Trump as an American, but I'll be damned if I'm answering for the British class system, too.
People can want all the change they can get, but they should want change for the better, not change for the sake of it. It's all just an excuse. no i put look at the class system in this country .. its still there and anyone who thinks not....
You put "your class system." Since I'm not British it isn't mine. my apologies xxx "
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"Because we don't all need to lower our standards to the lowest common denominator.
And THIS is my real problem with the Trump administration - I feel that not only is America lowering itself to the lowest common denominator, but it's trying to set the standard. Makes me sad. what you have had is generations adding in the millions of people of western part of the world being born in poverty and no chance of escaping poverty and thats a disgrace, so people want a change
look at this country with your class system its still there, and to think otherwise is folly
My class system?! Fuck that, I may have to answer for Trump as an American, but I'll be damned if I'm answering for the British class system, too.
People can want all the change they can get, but they should want change for the better, not change for the sake of it. It's all just an excuse. no i put look at the class system in this country .. its still there and anyone who thinks not...."
Long may it live. It saves me loads of time being able to interview people over the phone and know how smart they are from their accent. Imagine if i had to meet all of them |
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"His opposition to LBGT groups, ethnic minorities and so on was known before the election.
He's been democratically elected.
So let's respect this, it's what the majority of people want "
Not True he actively courted the LBGT groups....he was pictured hold pd a flag with there motive on saying i will protect you....what a load of bollocks from this arrogant man again.....and some people on here think were going to get a good trade deal on his word.....if this guy said it was Wednesday id check the calendar |
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So it's ok to dismiss trans soldiers because of their sexuality, but perfectly acceptable for the commander-in-chief, with power to order nuclear strikes without any moderating discussion from his generals, to be mentally unstable?
Red meat to his base so they might forget he has failed to deliver on his headline policies.
Sad, so sad. |
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"So it's ok to dismiss trans soldiers because of their sexuality, but perfectly acceptable for the commander-in-chief, with power to order nuclear strikes without any moderating discussion from his generals, to be mentally unstable?
Red meat to his base so they might forget he has failed to deliver on his headline policies.
Sad, so sad."
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Apparently, there are 15,000 trans service personnel in the US armed forces and the military hierarchy is mostly tolerant to appreciative of their contribution.
Purely on a practical basis, it is silly to turn back the clock - not just the loss of trained and loyal personnel, arousing the antagonism of their colleagues for such narrow-minded action, setting back the image of the military, but also creating the basis for a huge human rights class action law suit.
It's just dumb. |
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"what you have had is generations adding in the millions of people of western part of the world being born in poverty and no chance of escaping poverty and thats a disgrace, so people want a change
look at this country with your class system its still there, and to think otherwise is folly"
Hey we don't care about these real world problems
We have mansplaining and damaging gender normative constructs to busy ourselves with fighting
#radfem
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A broken clock is right twice a day, and to be honest I think Trump may be right this time.
The reasoning is not politically correct, nor is the reason fair and reasonable, but it is valid.
The military, by nature is closed community of violent and regressive mainly hetrosexual individuals. There is no room in military training or thinking for shades of grey, it is either right or wrong, good or bad, friend or foe and if it is a threat it requires neutralizing. It does not breed 'touchy, feely' people who are comfortable with sexual diversity. It breeds (officer) controlled violent people. Dropping openly gay and transexual people into such a community is in my view a recipe for disaster.
So with regret, I find myself having to agree with little donnie, it is just a shame his reasons are based in his open bigotry rather than in what is best for the military and more importantly the safety of those who are transgender.
And if you dont believe me please read this Independent article before telling me I am a dinosaur and the military have changed since I served.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/man-stab-woman-119-times-transgender-told-date-mississippi-hotel-room-dwayne-hickerson-dee-whigham-a7860591.html |
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over a year ago
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"Because we don't all need to lower our standards to the lowest common denominator.
And THIS is my real problem with the Trump administration - I feel that not only is America lowering itself to the lowest common denominator, but it's trying to set the standard. Makes me sad. what you have had is generations adding in the millions of people of western part of the world being born in poverty and no chance of escaping poverty and thats a disgrace, so people want a change
look at this country with your class system its still there, and to think otherwise is folly
My class system?! Fuck that, I may have to answer for Trump as an American, but I'll be damned if I'm answering for the British class system, too.
People can want all the change they can get, but they should want change for the better, not change for the sake of it. It's all just an excuse. no i put look at the class system in this country .. its still there and anyone who thinks not....
Long may it live. It saves me loads of time being able to interview people over the phone and know how smart they are from their accent. Imagine if i had to meet all of them "
Just look at their name on their CV. Hewington-Smythe III sounds like a decent enough chap, wouldn't you say? |
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"Because we don't all need to lower our standards to the lowest common denominator.
And THIS is my real problem with the Trump administration - I feel that not only is America lowering itself to the lowest common denominator, but it's trying to set the standard. Makes me sad. what you have had is generations adding in the millions of people of western part of the world being born in poverty and no chance of escaping poverty and thats a disgrace, so people want a change
look at this country with your class system its still there, and to think otherwise is folly
My class system?! Fuck that, I may have to answer for Trump as an American, but I'll be damned if I'm answering for the British class system, too.
People can want all the change they can get, but they should want change for the better, not change for the sake of it. It's all just an excuse. no i put look at the class system in this country .. its still there and anyone who thinks not....
Long may it live. It saves me loads of time being able to interview people over the phone and know how smart they are from their accent. Imagine if i had to meet all of them
Just look at their name on their CV. Hewington-Smythe III sounds like a decent enough chap, wouldn't you say?"
Absolutely old bean.We have standards to uphold and the illusion of equality must be kept up. |
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"A broken clock is right twice a day, and to be honest I think Trump may be right this time.
The reasoning is not politically correct, nor is the reason fair and reasonable, but it is valid.
The military, by nature is closed community of violent and regressive mainly hetrosexual individuals. There is no room in military training or thinking for shades of grey, it is either right or wrong, good or bad, friend or foe and if it is a threat it requires neutralizing. It does not breed 'touchy, feely' people who are comfortable with sexual diversity. It breeds (officer) controlled violent people. Dropping openly gay and transexual people into such a community is in my view a recipe for disaster.
So with regret, I find myself having to agree with little donnie, it is just a shame his reasons are based in his open bigotry rather than in what is best for the military and more importantly the safety of those who are transgender.
And if you dont believe me please read this Independent article before telling me I am a dinosaur and the military have changed since I served.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/man-stab-woman-119-times-transgender-told-date-mississippi-hotel-room-dwayne-hickerson-dee-whigham-a7860591.html "
Because most are knuckled dragging hicks (present company excluded) who aren't smart enough to see that they are invariably pawns in an unnecessary war
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"Explains why America has the nickname of dumbfuckistan with people I know..
What does that make a less economically successful country like ours then? Federal republic of sour grapes?
Ah but ours isn't propped up by over a million unpaid workers... equally we dont have such an enormous youth drug problem. etc etc ..You should base a country's success upon more than the flow of cash.
It's not the flow of cash. The median american has a superior standard of living to the median Brit. That's just a fact. "
And Ireland has a higher standard than both
We're 8th, US is 10th and the UK is 16th. |
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"Because most are knuckled dragging hicks (present company excluded) who aren't smart enough to see that they are invariably pawns in an unnecessary war
#peace "
Not knuckle dragging hick. To be honest the days of armies being fill with those is long gone. But military training is designed to accentuate aggression and teach muscle-memory so that when commanded or stimulated by fear or revulsion the result is unfettered violence. As for your comment about unnecessary wars, can you please name one? I could not, I don't think I could name one. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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Unfortunatly Trump is sharing the views of the majority I reckon.
Having spent some time in the US some years ago I find it is a nation of many different values and many are religious bigots,many are Nazis and many are stupid.
This is not true of all Americans it is complex society of wonderfull open minded generous people.also very clever so please my US friends do not jump down my throat for this it is just an observation.My point is probably backed up by all the rascism there,it is complex.
As a t girl I do not condemn these people it is a matter of education all over the world |
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Not that Im debating the result of the election but this move isnt backed by the election. Not only did Democrats have more people vote for them but Trump openly embraced the LGBT movement. To say this is a majority opinion is compeletely inaccurate.
Only 31% of US voters thought that allowing transgender people was bad for the military. 61% said it would make no difference or improve things. |
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"Because we don't all need to lower our standards to the lowest common denominator.
And THIS is my real problem with the Trump administration - I feel that not only is America lowering itself to the lowest common denominator, but it's trying to set the standard. Makes me sad. what you have had is generations adding in the millions of people of western part of the world being born in poverty and no chance of escaping poverty and thats a disgrace, so people want a change
look at this country with your class system its still there, and to think otherwise is folly
My class system?! Fuck that, I may have to answer for Trump as an American, but I'll be damned if I'm answering for the British class system, too.
People can want all the change they can get, but they should want change for the better, not change for the sake of it. It's all just an excuse. no i put look at the class system in this country .. its still there and anyone who thinks not....
Long may it live. It saves me loads of time being able to interview people over the phone and know how smart they are from their accent. Imagine if i had to meet all of them
Just look at their name on their CV. Hewington-Smythe III sounds like a decent enough chap, wouldn't you say?"
Surnames don't matter, we're not an investment bank. But if one of our customers found our business cards with a khloe or a Tyler on them, then the share price could collapse |
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"Because we don't all need to lower our standards to the lowest common denominator.
And THIS is my real problem with the Trump administration - I feel that not only is America lowering itself to the lowest common denominator, but it's trying to set the standard. Makes me sad. what you have had is generations adding in the millions of people of western part of the world being born in poverty and no chance of escaping poverty and thats a disgrace, so people want a change
look at this country with your class system its still there, and to think otherwise is folly
My class system?! Fuck that, I may have to answer for Trump as an American, but I'll be damned if I'm answering for the British class system, too.
People can want all the change they can get, but they should want change for the better, not change for the sake of it. It's all just an excuse. no i put look at the class system in this country .. its still there and anyone who thinks not....
Long may it live. It saves me loads of time being able to interview people over the phone and know how smart they are from their accent. Imagine if i had to meet all of them
Just look at their name on their CV. Hewington-Smythe III sounds like a decent enough chap, wouldn't you say?
Surnames don't matter, we're not an investment bank. But if one of our customers found our business cards with a khloe or a Tyler on them, then the share price could collapse"
Do Tarquin and Ophelia keep the stock strong
Jamal or Mohamed are as popular as Syphilis no doubt..
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"the main reason is cost of health associated..
to what extent i do not know
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Pentagon spends on erectile dysfunction medication annually about $84m according to the Military Times newspaper. In contrast to gender transition-related health care costs for transgender personnel would increase the military's active duty health budget by $8.4m per year at the most.  |
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"Because we don't all need to lower our standards to the lowest common denominator.
And THIS is my real problem with the Trump administration - I feel that not only is America lowering itself to the lowest common denominator, but it's trying to set the standard. Makes me sad. what you have had is generations adding in the millions of people of western part of the world being born in poverty and no chance of escaping poverty and thats a disgrace, so people want a change
look at this country with your class system its still there, and to think otherwise is folly
My class system?! Fuck that, I may have to answer for Trump as an American, but I'll be damned if I'm answering for the British class system, too.
People can want all the change they can get, but they should want change for the better, not change for the sake of it. It's all just an excuse. no i put look at the class system in this country .. its still there and anyone who thinks not....
Long may it live. It saves me loads of time being able to interview people over the phone and know how smart they are from their accent. Imagine if i had to meet all of them
Just look at their name on their CV. Hewington-Smythe III sounds like a decent enough chap, wouldn't you say?
Surnames don't matter, we're not an investment bank. But if one of our customers found our business cards with a khloe or a Tyler on them, then the share price could collapse Do Tarquin and Ophelia keep the stock strong
Jamal or Mohamed are as popular as Syphilis no doubt..
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No you misunderstand me. Foreign names are fine, there's no institutional racism because a pound from johnny foreigner is as good as a pound from johnny english. But chavs don't have money so we can't cater to them. |
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"Because we don't all need to lower our standards to the lowest common denominator.
And THIS is my real problem with the Trump administration - I feel that not only is America lowering itself to the lowest common denominator, but it's trying to set the standard. Makes me sad. what you have had is generations adding in the millions of people of western part of the world being born in poverty and no chance of escaping poverty and thats a disgrace, so people want a change
look at this country with your class system its still there, and to think otherwise is folly
My class system?! Fuck that, I may have to answer for Trump as an American, but I'll be damned if I'm answering for the British class system, too.
People can want all the change they can get, but they should want change for the better, not change for the sake of it. It's all just an excuse. no i put look at the class system in this country .. its still there and anyone who thinks not....
Long may it live. It saves me loads of time being able to interview people over the phone and know how smart they are from their accent. Imagine if i had to meet all of them
Just look at their name on their CV. Hewington-Smythe III sounds like a decent enough chap, wouldn't you say?
Surnames don't matter, we're not an investment bank. But if one of our customers found our business cards with a khloe or a Tyler on them, then the share price could collapse Do Tarquin and Ophelia keep the stock strong
Jamal or Mohamed are as popular as Syphilis no doubt..
No you misunderstand me. Foreign names are fine, there's no institutional racism because a pound from johnny foreigner is as good as a pound from johnny english. But chavs don't have money so we can't cater to them. "
Chavs are the British untouchables. |
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this story becomes more murky.....
the chairmen of the joint chiefs of staffs have said this change of policy was not run by them before trump tweeted it out...
so at the moment there is no change in policy and no ban until they get guidence on how to implement the policy (i.e honorable discharges for example) |
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"Because we don't all need to lower our standards to the lowest common denominator.
And THIS is my real problem with the Trump administration - I feel that not only is America lowering itself to the lowest common denominator, but it's trying to set the standard. Makes me sad. what you have had is generations adding in the millions of people of western part of the world being born in poverty and no chance of escaping poverty and thats a disgrace, so people want a change
look at this country with your class system its still there, and to think otherwise is folly
My class system?! Fuck that, I may have to answer for Trump as an American, but I'll be damned if I'm answering for the British class system, too.
People can want all the change they can get, but they should want change for the better, not change for the sake of it. It's all just an excuse. no i put look at the class system in this country .. its still there and anyone who thinks not....
Long may it live. It saves me loads of time being able to interview people over the phone and know how smart they are from their accent. Imagine if i had to meet all of them
Just look at their name on their CV. Hewington-Smythe III sounds like a decent enough chap, wouldn't you say?
Surnames don't matter, we're not an investment bank. But if one of our customers found our business cards with a khloe or a Tyler on them, then the share price could collapse Do Tarquin and Ophelia keep the stock strong
Jamal or Mohamed are as popular as Syphilis no doubt..
No you misunderstand me. Foreign names are fine, there's no institutional racism because a pound from johnny foreigner is as good as a pound from johnny english. But chavs don't have money so we can't cater to them.
Chavs are the British untouchables. "
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"this story becomes more murky.....
the chairmen of the joint chiefs of staffs have said this change of policy was not run by them before trump tweeted it out...
so at the moment there is no change in policy and no ban until they get guidence on how to implement the policy (i.e honorable discharges for example) "
It happened because a funding bill was being held up by an argument between Republicans on whether to fund GRS for soldiers or not. They asked Trump to weigh in so he just announced all TG people were banned.
You couldnt make this stuff up. |
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"Explains why America has the nickname of dumbfuckistan with people I know..
What does that make a less economically successful country like ours then? Federal republic of sour grapes?
Ah but ours isn't propped up by over a million unpaid workers... equally we dont have such an enormous youth drug problem. etc etc ..You should base a country's success upon more than the flow of cash.
It's not the flow of cash. The median american has a superior standard of living to the median Brit. That's just a fact.
Didn't look it when i lived there. "
Huge swaithes of USA are basically third world with a few scattered sky scrapers. That's nearer to the truth.
Economically, educationally, morally and by pretty much any other measure you want to throw at it! |
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"this story becomes more murky.....
the chairmen of the joint chiefs of staffs have said this change of policy was not run by them before trump tweeted it out...
so at the moment there is no change in policy and no ban until they get guidence on how to implement the policy (i.e honorable discharges for example) "
Ha ha. Just about the only people Trump had carefully avoided pissing off were the military top brass.
He's President Chump, not Trump. |
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You are brain washed by the media to hate trump, have you every thought for one moment why the media hate trump so much?
Spend a few moments on google looking at the good things trump has done rather then the bad things that is reported in the media and your opinion towards him may change. |
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"Explains why America has the nickname of dumbfuckistan with people I know..
What does that make a less economically successful country like ours then? Federal republic of sour grapes?
Ah but ours isn't propped up by over a million unpaid workers... equally we dont have such an enormous youth drug problem. etc etc ..You should base a country's success upon more than the flow of cash.
It's not the flow of cash. The median american has a superior standard of living to the median Brit. That's just a fact.
Didn't look it when i lived there.
Huge swaithes of USA are basically third world with a few scattered sky scrapers. That's nearer to the truth.
Economically, educationally, morally and by pretty much any other measure you want to throw at it!"
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"You are brain washed by the media to hate trump, have you every thought for one moment why the media hate trump so much?
Spend a few moments on google looking at the good things trump has done rather then the bad things that is reported in the media and your opinion towards him may change."
People say the same about Corbyn... |
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The ban on TG people in an active military actually makes a lot of sense if people take off the Trump hating specs,the ban had already been in place before obama he lifted it for certain areas of the military,if he was so sure that people going through transition would be capable of frontline duty then surely he would have lifted the ban for ALL aspects of military life but he didn't so therefore he also saw the problem with a person in transition serving in a war zone for example where medical assistance for the transition and the drugs required for transitioning would not be available.Trump just reintroduced a previous ban that people had pretty much accepted before. Now while most people would not see TG as being a mental illness it is still officially recognised as such by the american military and as such TG people would be automatically disqualified from service.People must also realise that there are a rft of other things that disqualify people from the US military such as poor dental hygiene and flat feet yet the left do not come out screaming from the rooftops about these exclusions do they? and before anybody accuses me og being anti TG I am 100% behind a persons right to choose the body they wish to occupy and the mindspace they wish to acquire and if they wish to identify as different to their birth self then fair play to them. |
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"the main reason is cost of health associated..
to what extent i do not know
Pentagon spends on erectile dysfunction medication annually about $84m according to the Military Times newspaper. In contrast to gender transition-related health care costs for transgender personnel would increase the military's active duty health budget by $8.4m per year at the most. "
people with ED can serve easily on frontlines without needing the meds for ED whereas people transitioning could not do the same. |
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"The ban on TG people in an active military actually makes a lot of sense if people take off the Trump hating specs,the ban had already been in place before obama he lifted it for certain areas of the military,if he was so sure that people going through transition would be capable of frontline duty then surely he would have lifted the ban for ALL aspects of military life but he didn't so therefore he also saw the problem with a person in transition serving in a war zone for example where medical assistance for the transition and the drugs required for transitioning would not be available.Trump just reintroduced a previous ban that people had pretty much accepted before. Now while most people would not see TG as being a mental illness it is still officially recognised as such by the american military and as such TG people would be automatically disqualified from service.People must also realise that there are a rft of other things that disqualify people from the US military such as poor dental hygiene and flat feet yet the left do not come out screaming from the rooftops about these exclusions do they? and before anybody accuses me og being anti TG I am 100% behind a persons right to choose the body they wish to occupy and the mindspace they wish to acquire and if they wish to identify as different to their birth self then fair play to them."
But is it not the case that ~300 trans people announced they were trans when obama made his announcement? Does that not prove trans people can do the job perfectly well? |
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"The ban on TG people in an active military actually makes a lot of sense if people take off the Trump hating specs,the ban had already been in place before obama he lifted it for certain areas of the military,if he was so sure that people going through transition would be capable of frontline duty then surely he would have lifted the ban for ALL aspects of military life but he didn't so therefore he also saw the problem with a person in transition serving in a war zone for example where medical assistance for the transition and the drugs required for transitioning would not be available.Trump just reintroduced a previous ban that people had pretty much accepted before. Now while most people would not see TG as being a mental illness it is still officially recognised as such by the american military and as such TG people would be automatically disqualified from service.People must also realise that there are a rft of other things that disqualify people from the US military such as poor dental hygiene and flat feet yet the left do not come out screaming from the rooftops about these exclusions do they? and before anybody accuses me og being anti TG I am 100% behind a persons right to choose the body they wish to occupy and the mindspace they wish to acquire and if they wish to identify as different to their birth self then fair play to them.
But is it not the case that ~300 trans people announced they were trans when obama made his announcement? Does that not prove trans people can do the job perfectly well? "
of those 300 how many were transitioning? I would assume either 0 or very few,the actual transition requires a lot of surgery a lot of meds and a lot of after care would this be available on the front line? No it wouldn't and people who have had large surgeries as transitioning people would require are automatically excluded from the US armed forces. So again this doesn't prove your argument .
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"He's totally trying to distract from the Russian enquiry in my opinion! X"
Exactly. Hes like "Look over there,LGBT people in our miltary " Its really quite pathetic and all the morons look.. |
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"The ban on TG people in an active military actually makes a lot of sense if people take off the Trump hating specs,the ban had already been in place before obama he lifted it for certain areas of the military,if he was so sure that people going through transition would be capable of frontline duty then surely he would have lifted the ban for ALL aspects of military life but he didn't so therefore he also saw the problem with a person in transition serving in a war zone for example where medical assistance for the transition and the drugs required for transitioning would not be available.Trump just reintroduced a previous ban that people had pretty much accepted before. Now while most people would not see TG as being a mental illness it is still officially recognised as such by the american military and as such TG people would be automatically disqualified from service.People must also realise that there are a rft of other things that disqualify people from the US military such as poor dental hygiene and flat feet yet the left do not come out screaming from the rooftops about these exclusions do they? and before anybody accuses me og being anti TG I am 100% behind a persons right to choose the body they wish to occupy and the mindspace they wish to acquire and if they wish to identify as different to their birth self then fair play to them.
But is it not the case that ~300 trans people announced they were trans when obama made his announcement? Does that not prove trans people can do the job perfectly well? "
Obviously there are jobs that TG people could do very well but that is not the crux of the argument,if a group wishes inclusion then they must be fully capable for all aspects of military life surely no? if by the very nature of transitioning a group is excluded from the active part of an armed force then surely that is not fair on the rest who must be ready for frontline action at a moments notice |
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"The ban on TG people in an active military actually makes a lot of sense if people take off the Trump hating specs,the ban had already been in place before obama he lifted it for certain areas of the military,if he was so sure that people going through transition would be capable of frontline duty then surely he would have lifted the ban for ALL aspects of military life but he didn't so therefore he also saw the problem with a person in transition serving in a war zone for example where medical assistance for the transition and the drugs required for transitioning would not be available.Trump just reintroduced a previous ban that people had pretty much accepted before. Now while most people would not see TG as being a mental illness it is still officially recognised as such by the american military and as such TG people would be automatically disqualified from service.People must also realise that there are a rft of other things that disqualify people from the US military such as poor dental hygiene and flat feet yet the left do not come out screaming from the rooftops about these exclusions do they? and before anybody accuses me og being anti TG I am 100% behind a persons right to choose the body they wish to occupy and the mindspace they wish to acquire and if they wish to identify as different to their birth self then fair play to them.
But is it not the case that ~300 trans people announced they were trans when obama made his announcement? Does that not prove trans people can do the job perfectly well?
of those 300 how many were transitioning? I would assume either 0 or very few,the actual transition requires a lot of surgery a lot of meds and a lot of after care would this be available on the front line? No it wouldn't and people who have had large surgeries as transitioning people would require are automatically excluded from the US armed forces. So again this doesn't prove your argument .
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I wasn't making an arguement, i was asking a question. If the military doesn't want the healthcare cost of supporting a transition i find that a semi-valid arguement, other than it's pure discrimination. But if someone has already transitioned then what would be the objection? |
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"The ban on TG people in an active military actually makes a lot of sense if people take off the Trump hating specs,the ban had already been in place before obama he lifted it for certain areas of the military,if he was so sure that people going through transition would be capable of frontline duty then surely he would have lifted the ban for ALL aspects of military life but he didn't so therefore he also saw the problem with a person in transition serving in a war zone for example where medical assistance for the transition and the drugs required for transitioning would not be available.Trump just reintroduced a previous ban that people had pretty much accepted before. Now while most people would not see TG as being a mental illness it is still officially recognised as such by the american military and as such TG people would be automatically disqualified from service.People must also realise that there are a rft of other things that disqualify people from the US military such as poor dental hygiene and flat feet yet the left do not come out screaming from the rooftops about these exclusions do they? and before anybody accuses me og being anti TG I am 100% behind a persons right to choose the body they wish to occupy and the mindspace they wish to acquire and if they wish to identify as different to their birth self then fair play to them.
But is it not the case that ~300 trans people announced they were trans when obama made his announcement? Does that not prove trans people can do the job perfectly well?
Obviously there are jobs that TG people could do very well but that is not the crux of the argument,if a group wishes inclusion then they must be fully capable for all aspects of military life surely no? if by the very nature of transitioning a group is excluded from the active part of an armed force then surely that is not fair on the rest who must be ready for frontline action at a moments notice"
I'd get that too, but what's stopping them doing a frontline job once the transition is complete? |
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"The ban on TG people in an active military actually makes a lot of sense if people take off the Trump hating specs,the ban had already been in place before obama he lifted it for certain areas of the military,if he was so sure that people going through transition would be capable of frontline duty then surely he would have lifted the ban for ALL aspects of military life but he didn't so therefore he also saw the problem with a person in transition serving in a war zone for example where medical assistance for the transition and the drugs required for transitioning would not be available.Trump just reintroduced a previous ban that people had pretty much accepted before. Now while most people would not see TG as being a mental illness it is still officially recognised as such by the american military and as such TG people would be automatically disqualified from service.People must also realise that there are a rft of other things that disqualify people from the US military such as poor dental hygiene and flat feet yet the left do not come out screaming from the rooftops about these exclusions do they? and before anybody accuses me og being anti TG I am 100% behind a persons right to choose the body they wish to occupy and the mindspace they wish to acquire and if they wish to identify as different to their birth self then fair play to them.
But is it not the case that ~300 trans people announced they were trans when obama made his announcement? Does that not prove trans people can do the job perfectly well?
of those 300 how many were transitioning? I would assume either 0 or very few,the actual transition requires a lot of surgery a lot of meds and a lot of after care would this be available on the front line? No it wouldn't and people who have had large surgeries as transitioning people would require are automatically excluded from the US armed forces. So again this doesn't prove your argument .
I wasn't making an arguement, i was asking a question. If the military doesn't want the healthcare cost of supporting a transition i find that a semi-valid arguement, other than it's pure discrimination. But if someone has already transitioned then what would be the objection? "
people that have already transitioned have had major surgery which is one of the exclusion points of joining the US military |
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"You are brain washed by the media to hate trump, have you every thought for one moment why the media hate trump so much?
Spend a few moments on google looking at the good things trump has done rather then the bad things that is reported in the media and your opinion towards him may change."
I spent few moments on google trying to find what good things this president bagshit have done. Couldn't find any and No I still haven't changed my mind about this c**t. |
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"You are brain washed by the media to hate trump, have you every thought for one moment why the media hate trump so much?
Spend a few moments on google looking at the good things trump has done rather then the bad things that is reported in the media and your opinion towards him may change."
Ah yes, so much good, so much winning...
Close ties to Russian mobsters going back to the 90's where he has been financing building his property empire through money laundering not just for the Russian mob and the russian oligarchs who stole much of the former Soviet Unions wealth when it collapsed but also for any other tin pot banana republic dictator who was willing to give Trump a cut (and before you say I am wrong his casinos have been convicted of knowingly money laundering for years).
Yep...
You're absolutely correct the man is a much maligned saint, the US and West is lucky to have such a honest, loyal and principled man to lead the free world. |
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"You are brain washed by the media to hate trump, have you every thought for one moment why the media hate trump so much?
Spend a few moments on google looking at the good things trump has done rather then the bad things that is reported in the media and your opinion towards him may change."
Sorry to burst your bubble but people dislike Trump for very well founded reasons. Theyre not being brainwashed at all.
I would be interested to see what you consider his positive acheivements are though.
Hes anti environment. He's anti net neutrality. He supports throwing over 20 million people off of healthcare. Hes pro Putin. He's anti immigrant. Hes anti women. He openly admits going in to the changing rooms of teenage girls and boasts about it. Fired the FBI director for investigating him. Encouraged Russia to hack his political enemies. Shared sensitive classified information, that possibly put Israeli intelligence in danger, with Russia. Praised a mass murderer in the Phillipines. Knowingly appointed an agent of the brutal Turkish government to his security team. Claimed to ban lobbyists from working in his government and then banned the government agency from enforcing this and handed out exceptions to anyone who wanted them. Threatened to break up the 9th circuit appeals court because he didnt like their rulings.
Had the state departments website advertise his golf resort. Had his daughter meet with the Chinese leader and went back on his previous claim of the Chinese being currency manipulators on the same day Ivanka was granted 3 very lucrativr trademarka by the Chinese government. Made up claims that Obama had conducted illegal surveillance on him during the election. Claimed the British government had been spying on him without any basis. Wanted to cut funding to Meals on Wheels and and the after school program Head Start. Declared the court system wqs a threat to national security and the free press as enemies.
And thats not to mention hos contentious travel ban or the fact hes 6 months in and passed no important legislation yet despite the fact his party runs all branches of government. |
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"Therefore it's a fair assumption these views are held by a majority of people. I'd say the same goes in the UK. Tolerance, inclusivity and political correctness has had it's day now. Things have changed"
You do realise that the MAJORITY of people voted for Clinton? |
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"A broken clock is right twice a day, and to be honest I think Trump may be right this time.
The reasoning is not politically correct, nor is the reason fair and reasonable, but it is valid.
The military, by nature is closed community of violent and regressive mainly hetrosexual individuals. There is no room in military training or thinking for shades of grey, it is either right or wrong, good or bad, friend or foe and if it is a threat it requires neutralizing. It does not breed 'touchy, feely' people who are comfortable with sexual diversity. It breeds (officer) controlled violent people. Dropping openly gay and transexual people into such a community is in my view a recipe for disaster.
So with regret, I find myself having to agree with little donnie, it is just a shame his reasons are based in his open bigotry rather than in what is best for the military and more importantly the safety of those who are transgender.
And if you dont believe me please read this Independent article before telling me I am a dinosaur and the military have changed since I served.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/man-stab-woman-119-times-transgender-told-date-mississippi-hotel-room-dwayne-hickerson-dee-whigham-a7860591.html "
I get that serving in the military requires you to some extent to give up your personal political judgments. And being openly LGBT requires you to question what is "normal", and, as you said, shades of grey thinking. But I think on the other hand, you're stereotyping LGBT people as "touchy feely" and "free thinking". Neither of which is necessarily the case.
There is something which I'm interested to know more about, which you've touched on here, the role of gender segregation and enforced celibacy (which the presence of LGBT people, by definition, is going to fuck up) plays in training people for combat. Sounds like a recipe for r*pe being used as a weapon of war, TBH.
As for your link, it does seem a bit tenuous. Civs do that kinda thing a fair bit, it seems really speculative to say that his military training had anything to do with it. |
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I mean, I'd think it's much less of a leap of faith, for most people, to be comfortable with LGBT people than to think "hey maybe the government doesn't really have the people's best interests at heart"??? |
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"I get that serving in the military requires you to some extent to give up your personal political judgments. And being openly LGBT requires you to question what is "normal", and, as you said, shades of grey thinking. But I think on the other hand, you're stereotyping LGBT people as "touchy feely" and "free thinking". Neither of which is necessarily the case.
There is something which I'm interested to know more about, which you've touched on here, the role of gender segregation and enforced celibacy (which the presence of LGBT people, by definition, is going to fuck up) plays in training people for combat. Sounds like a recipe for r*pe being used as a weapon of war, TBH.
As for your link, it does seem a bit tenuous. Civs do that kinda thing a fair bit, it seems really speculative to say that his military training had anything to do with it."
OK...
Where to start...
I do not think the LGBT community is made up of soft touchy feely people. they are not the problem. In fact if you look back through history the most efficient and feared 'meat grinders' of armies have been made up of gay men and boys or lesbian women.
I have heard the figure of 70% approval (that's great if you believe it [I don't]) within the military for LGBT service. The trouble is the 30%. The problem is when you have men and women living and working together in a closed community that is trained to be aggressive and violent if 3 in 10 are openly hostile to non hertosexuals then that 70% figure has to be questioned. Now considering that at any time anyone who is openly part of the LGBT community within the armed forces may need someone who is openly (or worse a hidden) homophobe is forced to live and serve with someone who is LGBT I see potential discipline problems that will undoubtedly lead to avoidable incidents.
Gender segregation does not work where you have men and women on the same camp, segregating LGBT's from hetros would only make them more of a target. and having LGBT only units would cause the same problems as there were with the coloured only units of WW2.
I feel bad about this as sexuality should not be a bar to service, but sometimes harmony of the group must come before the rights of the individual. I truly hope I am an out of date old codger on this issue, but I fear I am not.
As for the comment about civi's do these things too. Yes they do but members of the LGBT community are not forced to work, eat, sleep and if required fight along side homophobic civi's.
I hope I have answered your questions, cleared up your misunderstanding of why I think Trump is right on this occasion. |
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If we can make it work in the UK, then they can make it work in the US. The Commandant of the Coast Guard, which is part of the military in the US, has come out in support of his trans personnel.
Has it been noted that Trump's announcement was on the anniversary of the end of segregation in the US military? |
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Strategic rationale aside, this was at least partly motivated by trying to whip up fear of trans people.
Who's the first trans person who's served in the US military that springs to mind?
I only know of one...Chelsea Manning. So that can be played upon. A nod to the transphobic alt-right. The language of his announcement. Talking about a "burden". Inciting hatred usually plays on economic fears, and certain groups of people are perceived, rightly or wrongly as being in receipt of a greater share of assistance from the state. It helped anti-immigrant rhetoric to become popular.
IDK how much red tape there is over there, but here when you're trying to get hormones (which isn't commiting to further treatment), they spend so much time seemingly protecting us from a bad decision we might have made. So some of that could be cut out, IMO. |
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Yep! That's totally it xxx |
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I have heard the figure of 70% approval (that's great if you believe it [I don't]) within the military for LGBT service. The trouble is the 30%. The problem is when you have men and women living and working together in a closed community that is trained to be aggressive and violent if 3 in 10 are openly hostile to non hertosexuals then that 70% figure has to be questioned. Now considering that at any time anyone who is openly part of the LGBT community within the armed forces may need someone who is openly (or worse a hidden) homophobe is forced to live and serve with someone who is LGBT I see potential discipline problems that will undoubtedly lead to avoidable incidents."
If you replace every instance of LGBT with "black" and every instance of homophobe with "racist" in the quoted paragraph, I think you'll see the problem
Well meaning as this argument may be - it is still wrong.  |
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