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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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If anyone not living in Scotland wonders why the people of Scotland have lost trust with Scottish Labour branch office then this should make it clear.
Kezia Dugdale - Scottish Labour branch leader said this on the 7th Sept 2016 - ''absolutely committed to EU and single market and supportive of SNP efforts to retain both''
Thats very strange as when UK Labour had a vote on the single market they voted against it and Corbyn even sacked some of his front bench for going against the whip.
Then we have this from the Scottish Labour branch - ''Workers on zero-hours contracts earn a third less than average. Labour would ban zero-hours contracts''
Strange as Welsh Labour have been in since 1999 and 7 times zero
hours contracts have been brought forward. 7 times Welsh Labour voted against banning them.
Then we have Owen Jones well known Labour supporter claim this beauty ''Only Labour will abolish tuition fees'' erm duhhh!!!! the SNP have already have abolished tuition fees so that claim is bullshit.
One Labour party my arse they couldnt agree on the colour of shite and are telling lies to try and get voters back.
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Labour can't agree on much and they do more flips and somersaults than Billy Smart's circus. However I would disagree that they don't know the colour of shite.
They know only too well that it is RED.  |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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Hey up Kinky.....thought you'd abandoned politics!
How's life north of Hadrian's Wall?
Tell us all about Ian Blackford, SNP leader in Westminster, taking two donations from a Conservative businessman supporter! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
No two people agree on everything.....
For example, I remember a mr a salmond telling everyone the independence referendum was a one in a lifetime vote, and yet a ms n sturgeon says that she was another one soon
If fact I remember a mr a salmond telling everyone originally back in 2013 that if Scotland were to leave they would use the euro as their currency, and one year later that changed to the using the pound
See.... no two people will have the same position on every subject... or may change!
I'd be much more scared if everyone was singing of the same hymn sheet on every topic
Two people bickering on the same topic is not the sole domain of one political party |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Hey up Kinky.....thought you'd abandoned politics!
How's life north of Hadrian's Wall?
Tell us all about Ian Blackford, SNP leader in Westminster, taking two donations from a Conservative businessman supporter!"
Life is good thanks.
Ah i see you by passed everything i said above to go into SNP bad mode. Is there anything wrong in what i said above or do you agree on everything i said above about Labour ? |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"No two people agree on everything.....
For example, I remember a mr a salmond telling everyone the independence referendum was a one in a lifetime vote, and yet a ms n sturgeon says that she was another one soon
If fact I remember a mr a salmond telling everyone originally back in 2013 that if Scotland were to leave they would use the euro as their currency, and one year later that changed to the using the pound
See.... no two people will have the same position on every subject... or may change!
I'd be much more scared if everyone was singing of the same hymn sheet on every topic
Two people bickering on the same topic is not the sole domain of one political party "
This ''once in a generation'' Once in a lifetime '' whatever your calling it is such a bore
Yes Alex Salmond said it and it was opinion can anyone show me where in the Edinburgh agreement it states there will never be another independence referendum for a generation ?
Fact is since that independence referendum the SNP have gone on to win the 2015 , 2016 and 2017 elections and do have a triple lock mandate non of the unionist branches have a mandate in Scotland.
If Scotland were to become independent and be in the EU they do NOT have to use the euro. Look at Sweden they have been in the EU since the 90's and still they do NOT use the euro no country is forced to use the euro please stop with that crap.
Scotland can use the pound if they wish to even Mr Darling or should that be Lord Darling said Scotland can use the pound.
The point am making is Scottish Labour in Scotland seem ok to lie to the people and the unionist media do not give a shit as they wont challenge it they allow lies to be told to the people |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"in other none news the present Tory cabinet are split on Europe, the EU and what Brexit will mean..
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I think everyone knows Brexit is going to be a disaster and for Labour to sit back and accept a hard Brexit is unreal Labour have a name up here in Scotland they are called the Red Tories for good reason |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Hey up Kinky.....thought you'd abandoned politics!
How's life north of Hadrian's Wall?
Tell us all about Ian Blackford, SNP leader in Westminster, taking two donations from a Conservative businessman supporter!
Life is good thanks.
Ah i see you by passed everything i said above to go into SNP bad mode. Is there anything wrong in what i said above or do you agree on everything i said above about Labour ? "
Nothing in Scotland surprises me any more!
Jenny Gilruth, MSP and SNP, being the partner of Kezia Dugdale! How left field is that! Wonder what they talk about over the porridge in the morning,? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
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The point am making is Scottish Labour in Scotland seem ok to lie to the people and the unionist media do not give a shit as they wont challenge it they allow lies to be told to the people"
I cut out the rest of your diatribe because it is not relevant.....
And the point I am making is that sometimes two people in a party don't agree on the most fundamental of issues .... even on your team!
You trying to turn it to suit your narrative... the issue is you don't like an example of people you like being caught doing the same thing  |
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"in other none news the present Tory cabinet are split on Europe, the EU and what Brexit will mean..
I think everyone knows Brexit is going to be a disaster and for Labour to sit back and accept a hard Brexit is unreal Labour have a name up here in Scotland they are called the Red Tories for good reason "
then given your hatred of all things Tory you must be less than happy that Ian Blackford has taken money from a donor who also supports the Tories..
not at all interested in why? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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The point am making is Scottish Labour in Scotland seem ok to lie to the people and the unionist media do not give a shit as they wont challenge it they allow lies to be told to the people
I cut out the rest of your diatribe because it is not relevant.....
And the point I am making is that sometimes two people in a party don't agree on the most fundamental of issues .... even on your team!
You trying to turn it to suit your narrative... the issue is you don't like an example of people you like being caught doing the same thing "
I agree Fabio. I love our political system. Who would want a system like North Korea. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The point am making is Scottish Labour in Scotland seem ok to lie to the people and the unionist media do not give a shit as they wont challenge it they allow lies to be told to the people
I cut out the rest of your diatribe because it is not relevant.....
And the point I am making is that sometimes two people in a party don't agree on the most fundamental of issues .... even on your team!
You trying to turn it to suit your narrative... the issue is you don't like an example of people you like being caught doing the same thing "
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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Scottish Labour were even told by their own activists that Scottish Labour prevented Jeremy Corbyn from delivering an even better result at the general election.
The strategy of attacking the SNP's calls for a second independence referendum had "almost silenced" Mr Corbyn's socialist message.
Also In their report, the Campaign for Socialism - which is headed pro-Corbyn Labour MSP Neil Findlay - said 21 of the 24 seats where Labour's vote did not increase at the election were in Scotland.
This is not me this is coming from Labour members in Scotland. Its very clear for anyone to see Kezia Dugdale is a Blairite through and through and we can see through her that she stay does not want Corbyn in power remember she said Labour will be carping form the sidelines for years under Corbyn |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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Ah right so what is it people want Labour in a mess and cant agree as one party ? And you wonder why they aint in power ?
You have the Scottish Labour branch telling people in Scotland they will support the Scottish government to protect and remain in the EU and single market then UK Labour are saying they are ok with a hard Brexit and being out of the EU and single market who to believe eh ?
And Labour claim they are all one party but that one party is telling people all kinds of different things and quite happy to lie on things like ...
EU/Single market
Banning Zero Hour Contracts
Saying Labour are the only party that will abolish tuition fees when they know fine well the SNP have already done that.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"in other none news the present Tory cabinet are split on Europe, the EU and what Brexit will mean..
I think everyone knows Brexit is going to be a disaster and for Labour to sit back and accept a hard Brexit is unreal Labour have a name up here in Scotland they are called the Red Tories for good reason "
That 'red tory' broken record again. Sorry pal but SNP policy is well right of Labour's these days. E.g. the SNP desire to reduce corporation tax in Scotland and tgeir refusal to use (income) tax raising powers.
They have done nothing to mitigate austerity in Scotland for the vulnerable.
And I suggest you turn your gaze to your own MPs. My SNP MP, for example, is so 'socialist' that she milks money from the NHS by providing a private consultancy service whilst also claiming her MPs salary whilst also reaping rents from many houses/flats she owns, including former local authority tenancies that she bought for family members using right to buy then had the title to the property transferred to her.
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Ah right so what is it people want Labour in a mess and cant agree as one party ? And you wonder why they aint in power ?
You have the Scottish Labour branch telling people in Scotland they will support the Scottish government to protect and remain in the EU and single market then UK Labour are saying they are ok with a hard Brexit and being out of the EU and single market who to believe eh ?
And Labour claim they are all one party but that one party is telling people all kinds of different things and quite happy to lie on things like ...
EU/Single market
Banning Zero Hour Contracts
Saying Labour are the only party that will abolish tuition fees when they know fine well the SNP have already done that.
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That's not quite true. Some have to pay tuition fees in Scotland. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"in other none news the present Tory cabinet are split on Europe, the EU and what Brexit will mean..
I think everyone knows Brexit is going to be a disaster and for Labour to sit back and accept a hard Brexit is unreal Labour have a name up here in Scotland they are called the Red Tories for good reason
That 'red tory' broken record again. Sorry pal but SNP policy is well right of Labour's these days. E.g. the SNP desire to reduce corporation tax in Scotland and tgeir refusal to use (income) tax raising powers.
They have done nothing to mitigate austerity in Scotland for the vulnerable.
And I suggest you turn your gaze to your own MPs. My SNP MP, for example, is so 'socialist' that she milks money from the NHS by providing a private consultancy service whilst also claiming her MPs salary whilst also reaping rents from many houses/flats she owns, including former local authority tenancies that she bought for family members using right to buy then had the title to the property transferred to her.
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Lol so thats all you want the Scottish government to do is keep on mitigating Tory austerity ? Same Tories that Scotland did not vote for. How about this give Scotland real devolved powers like full control as we all know the welfare powers were NOT full control Westminster would still have a say.
And coming from Labour the party of Home Rule wow just wow. Keir Hardie would be ashamed of Labour.
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
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Then we have Owen Jones well known Labour supporter claim this beauty ''Only Labour will abolish tuition fees'' erm duhhh!!!! the SNP have already have abolished tuition fees so that claim is bullshit.
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The SNP have abolished tuition fees? Really? When did they do that? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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'Lol so thats all you want the Scottish government to do is keep on mitigating Tory austerity ?'
How insulting to the many that are suffering, right now, because of austerity.
You, like so many SNP supporters (but not all), are only interested in nationalism and obtaining your goal of dividing this island. But at least be honest about that rather than posing as socialists or social democrats.
And it's very interesting that you save your vitriol for Scottish Labour...not for the present incumbants of Westminster. Why? I suggest it's because you perceive Labour as the real threat to your sole priority of nationalist fervour. Nothing else is of interest to you. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"'Lol so thats all you want the Scottish government to do is keep on mitigating Tory austerity ?'
How insulting to the many that are suffering, right now, because of austerity.
You, like so many SNP supporters (but not all), are only interested in nationalism and obtaining your goal of dividing this island. But at least be honest about that rather than posing as socialists or social democrats.
And it's very interesting that you save your vitriol for Scottish Labour...not for the present incumbants of Westminster. Why? I suggest it's because you perceive Labour as the real threat to your sole priority of nationalist fervour. Nothing else is of interest to you. "
Genuine question are you happy for the Scottish government to keep on mitigating the bedroom tax or would you honestly rather it be devolved to Scotland so that our Scottish government could have the power to scrap it ?
Why would want take money out of Scotland's budget to mitigate Tory austerity when 1. Scotland didnt vote for the Tories and 2. Why would you not rather fight to give Scotland real devolved powers where they have full control that they then can help people that are suffering. I mean are you happy that money is reversed to Westminster and for them to give Scotland a set budget to work with rather than this any money raised in Scotland should stay in Scotland agree ?
Not true yes i want independence for Scotland and if somehow the UK government were to prove to me the UK is a family of nations and Scotland is an equal partner eh am all for staying the in the UK but right now the UK government has done fuck all to prove we are Better Together.
I want Labour to come back and hold the SNP to account fuck i would rather that than have utter scum bags like the Tories finish 2nd in Scotland but first off Labour have to learn lessons of why people have left Labour.
100+ years of Labour promising Home Rule and still yet to see it like i said Keir Hardie would be ashamed of what Labour have turned into. |
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The point am making is Scottish Labour in Scotland seem ok to lie to the people and the unionist media do not give a shit as they wont challenge it they allow lies to be told to the people
I cut out the rest of your diatribe because it is not relevant.....
And the point I am making is that sometimes two people in a party don't agree on the most fundamental of issues .... even on your team!
You trying to turn it to suit your narrative... the issue is you don't like an example of people you like being caught doing the same thing
I agree Fabio. I love our political system. Who would want a system like North Korea."
Jeremy Corbyn?
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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Then we have Owen Jones well known Labour supporter claim this beauty ''Only Labour will abolish tuition fees'' erm duhhh!!!! the SNP have already have abolished tuition fees so that claim is bullshit.
The SNP have abolished tuition fees? Really? When did they do that? "
SNP abolished them in 2007 remember it was Scottish Labour were in government in Scotland from 1999-2007 and they brought tuition fees in Scotland and thanks to the SNP they were abolished see this is what they media aint telling you.
I bet you think SNP didnt deliver on their promise to scrap the council tax which in part is true but not the full story. The full story about that is yes in 2007 SNP did have scrapping the council tax in their manifesto and when the vote took place Scottish Labour and Scottish Tories voted against scrapping the council tax and thats why SNP couldnt deliver on that promise as they were a minority government. But as always the media do not report the truth they will defend Labour |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The point am making is Scottish Labour in Scotland seem ok to lie to the people and the unionist media do not give a shit as they wont challenge it they allow lies to be told to the people
I cut out the rest of your diatribe because it is not relevant.....
And the point I am making is that sometimes two people in a party don't agree on the most fundamental of issues .... even on your team!
You trying to turn it to suit your narrative... the issue is you don't like an example of people you like being caught doing the same thing
I agree Fabio. I love our political system. Who would want a system like North Korea.
Jeremy Corbyn?
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Good job you live in Spain and Germany then as you wont have to suffer under JC...but you are going to suffer under Mrs May and her motley crew |
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
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With regards to SNP and Sturgeon and Salmond, it would help if they at least sang from the same hymn book!
If they can't live with the decision of the referendum they need to rethink their position. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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Then we have Owen Jones well known Labour supporter claim this beauty ''Only Labour will abolish tuition fees'' erm duhhh!!!! the SNP have already have abolished tuition fees so that claim is bullshit.
The SNP have abolished tuition fees? Really? When did they do that?
SNP abolished them in 2007 remember it was Scottish Labour were in government in Scotland from 1999-2007 and they brought tuition fees in Scotland and thanks to the SNP they were abolished see this is what they media aint telling you.
I bet you think SNP didnt deliver on their promise to scrap the council tax which in part is true but not the full story. The full story about that is yes in 2007 SNP did have scrapping the council tax in their manifesto and when the vote took place Scottish Labour and Scottish Tories voted against scrapping the council tax and thats why SNP couldnt deliver on that promise as they were a minority government. But as always the media do not report the truth they will defend Labour "
So if my son went to a Scottish university in September, he wouldn't pay any tuition fees? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
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The point am making is Scottish Labour in Scotland seem ok to lie to the people and the unionist media do not give a shit as they wont challenge it they allow lies to be told to the people
I cut out the rest of your diatribe because it is not relevant.....
And the point I am making is that sometimes two people in a party don't agree on the most fundamental of issues .... even on your team!
You trying to turn it to suit your narrative... the issue is you don't like an example of people you like being caught doing the same thing
I agree Fabio. I love our political system. Who would want a system like North Korea.
Jeremy Corbyn?
Good job you live in Spain and Germany then as you wont have to suffer under JC...but you are going to suffer under Mrs May and her motley crew "
They might have to just pick one of those countries if freedom of movement is restricted. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"With regards to SNP and Sturgeon and Salmond, it would help if they at least sang from the same hymn book!
If they can't live with the decision of the referendum they need to rethink their position. "
Or the last electoral vote as Salmond got voted out of office....the people spoke  |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
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Then we have Owen Jones well known Labour supporter claim this beauty ''Only Labour will abolish tuition fees'' erm duhhh!!!! the SNP have already have abolished tuition fees so that claim is bullshit.
The SNP have abolished tuition fees? Really? When did they do that?
SNP abolished them in 2007 remember it was Scottish Labour were in government in Scotland from 1999-2007 and they brought tuition fees in Scotland and thanks to the SNP they were abolished see this is what they media aint telling you.
I bet you think SNP didnt deliver on their promise to scrap the council tax which in part is true but not the full story. The full story about that is yes in 2007 SNP did have scrapping the council tax in their manifesto and when the vote took place Scottish Labour and Scottish Tories voted against scrapping the council tax and thats why SNP couldnt deliver on that promise as they were a minority government. But as always the media do not report the truth they will defend Labour "
Well thank fuck for that! You see I'm from Cambridge originally, but studied in Wales 2006-2009. I didn't realise that the SNP had scrapped tuition fees. Do I send the bill for the last 2 years to SNP HQ or to Holyrood? |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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Then we have Owen Jones well known Labour supporter claim this beauty ''Only Labour will abolish tuition fees'' erm duhhh!!!! the SNP have already have abolished tuition fees so that claim is bullshit.
The SNP have abolished tuition fees? Really? When did they do that?
SNP abolished them in 2007 remember it was Scottish Labour were in government in Scotland from 1999-2007 and they brought tuition fees in Scotland and thanks to the SNP they were abolished see this is what they media aint telling you.
I bet you think SNP didnt deliver on their promise to scrap the council tax which in part is true but not the full story. The full story about that is yes in 2007 SNP did have scrapping the council tax in their manifesto and when the vote took place Scottish Labour and Scottish Tories voted against scrapping the council tax and thats why SNP couldnt deliver on that promise as they were a minority government. But as always the media do not report the truth they will defend Labour
So if my son went to a Scottish university in September, he wouldn't pay any tuition fees?"
Ah right so this is this for anyone born outside of Scotland that come to Scotland need to pay am i correct ? So if people saw that it was free for everyone born outside of Scotland do you think its fair if people from England , Wales came up here and took places from Scottish students ? Also would a Scottish student that was born in Scotland and moves to England have to pay ?
In the End it still comes back to tuition fees have been abolished in Scotland Education is free the way it should be imagine that having to pay for an education this is 2017 that is fucking shocking. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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Then we have Owen Jones well known Labour supporter claim this beauty ''Only Labour will abolish tuition fees'' erm duhhh!!!! the SNP have already have abolished tuition fees so that claim is bullshit.
The SNP have abolished tuition fees? Really? When did they do that?
SNP abolished them in 2007 remember it was Scottish Labour were in government in Scotland from 1999-2007 and they brought tuition fees in Scotland and thanks to the SNP they were abolished see this is what they media aint telling you.
I bet you think SNP didnt deliver on their promise to scrap the council tax which in part is true but not the full story. The full story about that is yes in 2007 SNP did have scrapping the council tax in their manifesto and when the vote took place Scottish Labour and Scottish Tories voted against scrapping the council tax and thats why SNP couldnt deliver on that promise as they were a minority government. But as always the media do not report the truth they will defend Labour
So if my son went to a Scottish university in September, he wouldn't pay any tuition fees?
Ah right so this is this for anyone born outside of Scotland that come to Scotland need to pay am i correct ? So if people saw that it was free for everyone born outside of Scotland do you think its fair if people from England , Wales came up here and took places from Scottish students ? Also would a Scottish student that was born in Scotland and moves to England have to pay ?
In the End it still comes back to tuition fees have been abolished in Scotland Education is free the way it should be imagine that having to pay for an education this is 2017 that is fucking shocking."
That's not what you have been saying though. You claim that the SNP "abolished tuition fees". And we all know that's not the case. |
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Then we have Owen Jones well known Labour supporter claim this beauty ''Only Labour will abolish tuition fees'' erm duhhh!!!! the SNP have already have abolished tuition fees so that claim is bullshit.
The SNP have abolished tuition fees? Really? When did they do that?
SNP abolished them in 2007 remember it was Scottish Labour were in government in Scotland from 1999-2007 and they brought tuition fees in Scotland and thanks to the SNP they were abolished see this is what they media aint telling you.
I bet you think SNP didnt deliver on their promise to scrap the council tax which in part is true but not the full story. The full story about that is yes in 2007 SNP did have scrapping the council tax in their manifesto and when the vote took place Scottish Labour and Scottish Tories voted against scrapping the council tax and thats why SNP couldnt deliver on that promise as they were a minority government. But as always the media do not report the truth they will defend Labour
So if my son went to a Scottish university in September, he wouldn't pay any tuition fees?"
No. Students from England studying in Scotland have to pay tuition fees, albeit at a much lower rate than most English uni fees. Students living in Scotland or from the EU countries don't pay tuition fees (to be accurate, they can apply to SAAS for funding) https://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/university-tuition-fees/university-tuition-fees-and-financial-support/non-uk-eu-students/ |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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Am still waiting to hear from anyone on this as it is a genuine question for those that want the Scottish government to keep mitigating Tory austerity.
So lets take the bedroom tax which was Labour idea btw.
Would people rather the Scottish government keep mitigating the bedroom tax or would they rather that was fully devolved to Scotland so that the Scottish government could scrap it ?
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'Why would want take money out of Scotland's budget to mitigate Tory austerity when 1. Scotland didnt vote for the Tories and 2. Why would you not rather fight to give Scotland real devolved powers where they have full control'
Sounds like you're suggesting the SNP government in Holyrood should sit on their hands singing 'la-la-la'. Meanwhile, the most vulnerable people are suffering.
The SNP should get on a govern NOW rather constantly seeking separation by stealth.
Unless, of course, the strategy is to allow Tory policy to play out in full in Scotland in order to create unrest and undermine the present devolved arrangements? I do think many SNP supporters secretly rub their hands in glee at the prospect of another 4 years of the Tories in Westminster. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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Then we have Owen Jones well known Labour supporter claim this beauty ''Only Labour will abolish tuition fees'' erm duhhh!!!! the SNP have already have abolished tuition fees so that claim is bullshit.
The SNP have abolished tuition fees? Really? When did they do that?
SNP abolished them in 2007 remember it was Scottish Labour were in government in Scotland from 1999-2007 and they brought tuition fees in Scotland and thanks to the SNP they were abolished see this is what they media aint telling you.
I bet you think SNP didnt deliver on their promise to scrap the council tax which in part is true but not the full story. The full story about that is yes in 2007 SNP did have scrapping the council tax in their manifesto and when the vote took place Scottish Labour and Scottish Tories voted against scrapping the council tax and thats why SNP couldnt deliver on that promise as they were a minority government. But as always the media do not report the truth they will defend Labour
So if my son went to a Scottish university in September, he wouldn't pay any tuition fees?
Ah right so this is this for anyone born outside of Scotland that come to Scotland need to pay am i correct ? So if people saw that it was free for everyone born outside of Scotland do you think its fair if people from England , Wales came up here and took places from Scottish students ? Also would a Scottish student that was born in Scotland and moves to England have to pay ?
In the End it still comes back to tuition fees have been abolished in Scotland Education is free the way it should be imagine that having to pay for an education this is 2017 that is fucking shocking.
That's not what you have been saying though. You claim that the SNP "abolished tuition fees". And we all know that's not the case."
Ok so question for you is do you think if it was made free for everyone not born in Scotland do you think its fair if people from England , Wales came up here and took places from Scottish students ? Also do Scottish born students that move to England have to pay their tuition fees ? |
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"Am still waiting to hear from anyone on this as it is a genuine question for those that want the Scottish government to keep mitigating Tory austerity.
So lets take the bedroom tax which was Labour idea btw.
Would people rather the Scottish government keep mitigating the bedroom tax or would they rather that was fully devolved to Scotland so that the Scottish government could scrap it ?
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You have been given the facts....and Labour didnt introduce it
Bedroom Tax - The Facts
In April 2013 the Government introduced a tax on spare bedrooms for people living in housing association houses / property - will you be affected? Find out below...
I believe Labour had been out of power for nearly 5 years then
https://www.bromford.co.uk/customer-area/my-money/changes-to-benefits/bedroom-tax/
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Then we have Owen Jones well known Labour supporter claim this beauty ''Only Labour will abolish tuition fees'' erm duhhh!!!! the SNP have already have abolished tuition fees so that claim is bullshit.
The SNP have abolished tuition fees? Really? When did they do that?
SNP abolished them in 2007 remember it was Scottish Labour were in government in Scotland from 1999-2007 and they brought tuition fees in Scotland and thanks to the SNP they were abolished see this is what they media aint telling you.
I bet you think SNP didnt deliver on their promise to scrap the council tax which in part is true but not the full story. The full story about that is yes in 2007 SNP did have scrapping the council tax in their manifesto and when the vote took place Scottish Labour and Scottish Tories voted against scrapping the council tax and thats why SNP couldnt deliver on that promise as they were a minority government. But as always the media do not report the truth they will defend Labour
So if my son went to a Scottish university in September, he wouldn't pay any tuition fees?
Ah right so this is this for anyone born outside of Scotland that come to Scotland need to pay am i correct ? So if people saw that it was free for everyone born outside of Scotland do you think its fair if people from England , Wales came up here and took places from Scottish students ? Also would a Scottish student that was born in Scotland and moves to England have to pay ?
In the End it still comes back to tuition fees have been abolished in Scotland Education is free the way it should be imagine that having to pay for an education this is 2017 that is fucking shocking.
That's not what you have been saying though. You claim that the SNP "abolished tuition fees". And we all know that's not the case.
Ok so question for you is do you think if it was made free for everyone not born in Scotland do you think its fair if people from England , Wales came up here and took places from Scottish students ? Also do Scottish born students that move to England have to pay their tuition fees ? "
Tuition fee's
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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Then we have Owen Jones well known Labour supporter claim this beauty ''Only Labour will abolish tuition fees'' erm duhhh!!!! the SNP have already have abolished tuition fees so that claim is bullshit.
The SNP have abolished tuition fees? Really? When did they do that?
SNP abolished them in 2007 remember it was Scottish Labour were in government in Scotland from 1999-2007 and they brought tuition fees in Scotland and thanks to the SNP they were abolished see this is what they media aint telling you.
I bet you think SNP didnt deliver on their promise to scrap the council tax which in part is true but not the full story. The full story about that is yes in 2007 SNP did have scrapping the council tax in their manifesto and when the vote took place Scottish Labour and Scottish Tories voted against scrapping the council tax and thats why SNP couldnt deliver on that promise as they were a minority government. But as always the media do not report the truth they will defend Labour
So if my son went to a Scottish university in September, he wouldn't pay any tuition fees?
Ah right so this is this for anyone born outside of Scotland that come to Scotland need to pay am i correct ? So if people saw that it was free for everyone born outside of Scotland do you think its fair if people from England , Wales came up here and took places from Scottish students ? Also would a Scottish student that was born in Scotland and moves to England have to pay ?
In the End it still comes back to tuition fees have been abolished in Scotland Education is free the way it should be imagine that having to pay for an education this is 2017 that is fucking shocking.
That's not what you have been saying though. You claim that the SNP "abolished tuition fees". And we all know that's not the case.
Ok so question for you is do you think if it was made free for everyone not born in Scotland do you think its fair if people from England , Wales came up here and took places from Scottish students ? Also do Scottish born students that move to England have to pay their tuition fees ? "
The fairness of the system isn't the arguement though.
Education costs, so someone somewhere has to pay. The Scottish government has introduced a system that they perceive as being fair, but what they certainly have not done, is to abolish tuition fees. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"'Why would want take money out of Scotland's budget to mitigate Tory austerity when 1. Scotland didnt vote for the Tories and 2. Why would you not rather fight to give Scotland real devolved powers where they have full control'
Sounds like you're suggesting the SNP government in Holyrood should sit on their hands singing 'la-la-la'. Meanwhile, the most vulnerable people are suffering.
The SNP should get on a govern NOW rather constantly seeking separation by stealth.
Unless, of course, the strategy is to allow Tory policy to play out in full in Scotland in order to create unrest and undermine the present devolved arrangements? I do think many SNP supporters secretly rub their hands in glee at the prospect of another 4 years of the Tories in Westminster. "
No no listen to what i am saying i would rather Scotland get real devolved powers like say on the bedroom tax to get that to fuck and so the Scottish government do NOT need to mitigate it but they would have the power to scrap it and get it to fuck away from Scotland why would you not want that ?
I cannot understand why anyone would rather have our Scottish government paying to mitgate Tory austerity when Scotland reject the Tories when you could help fight the case to give Scotland real devolved powers to scrap and get rid of Tory austerity in Scotland.
Like i said Welfare powers that was to be given to Scotland was NOT full control over those powers why would you want the Tories to still have a say in the welfare powers ?
Why are people not angry that Scottish Labour offered the least amount of devolved powers in the Scotland bill ?
You want the SNP to govern but you just dont want to give the Scottish government the powers it needs and lets not forget something with each election it doesnt always mean SNP will be the government it could be Scottish Labour so they would have to work with the same powers thank fuck they aint in power in Scotland |
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"'Why would want take money out of Scotland's budget to mitigate Tory austerity when 1. Scotland didnt vote for the Tories and 2. Why would you not rather fight to give Scotland real devolved powers where they have full control'
Sounds like you're suggesting the SNP government in Holyrood should sit on their hands singing 'la-la-la'. Meanwhile, the most vulnerable people are suffering.
The SNP should get on a govern NOW rather constantly seeking separation by stealth.
Unless, of course, the strategy is to allow Tory policy to play out in full in Scotland in order to create unrest and undermine the present devolved arrangements? I do think many SNP supporters secretly rub their hands in glee at the prospect of another 4 years of the Tories in Westminster.
No no listen to what i am saying i would rather Scotland get real devolved powers like say on the bedroom tax to get that to fuck and so the Scottish government do NOT need to mitigate it but they would have the power to scrap it and get it to fuck away from Scotland why would you not want that ?
I cannot understand why anyone would rather have our Scottish government paying to mitgate Tory austerity when Scotland reject the Tories when you could help fight the case to give Scotland real devolved powers to scrap and get rid of Tory austerity in Scotland.
Like i said Welfare powers that was to be given to Scotland was NOT full control over those powers why would you want the Tories to still have a say in the welfare powers ?
Why are people not angry that Scottish Labour offered the least amount of devolved powers in the Scotland bill ?
You want the SNP to govern but you just dont want to give the Scottish government the powers it needs and lets not forget something with each election it doesnt always mean SNP will be the government it could be Scottish Labour so they would have to work with the same powers thank fuck they aint in power in Scotland"
But they can they just choose not to use it...last time i heard they had full tax raising powers and such stuff |
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It is strange...
I keep hearing Labour is divided, Labour is dead under JC's leadership, Labour is not this that and the other. But the fact is Labour is united, however the PLP (which is full of tones torylite enterists) is divided because the torylite are still doing everything they can to remove JC because the last thing they want is a socialist alternative to the fascist party the tories have become over the last 35/40 years. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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OP you don't seem to grasp how politics works in a representative democracy. Lets say Scotland did go independent, do you think that everyone would suddenly agree? Did you say earlier up that the tories came in second in Scotland? What happens if Scotland goes independent and the Tories come first?
Or lets says the bigger cities start to say "why should we fund more per citizen for people living on remote islands" what would happen then? |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"OP you don't seem to grasp how politics works in a representative democracy. Lets say Scotland did go independent, do you think that everyone would suddenly agree? Did you say earlier up that the tories came in second in Scotland? What happens if Scotland goes independent and the Tories come first?
Or lets says the bigger cities start to say "why should we fund more per citizen for people living on remote islands" what would happen then?"
No i dont think anyone would just agree. Yes sadly the Tories came 2nd with the pish poor Scottish Labour not doing enough to atack them and allowed this scumbags into 2nd.
First of if Scotland were to become independent then i think you will find Scottish Labour , Scottish Tories , Scottish Lib Dems will actually need to register is an official party in Scotland if you look up the Electoral Commission in Scotland you wont find any such parties therefore proves all we have up here is branch offices of Labour , Tory and Lib Dem getting telt from their bosses in Westminster what to say and do lol
You heard anyone say from the bigger cites about people living in remote islands ? I havent |
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"OP you don't seem to grasp how politics works in a representative democracy. Lets say Scotland did go independent, do you think that everyone would suddenly agree? Did you say earlier up that the tories came in second in Scotland? What happens if Scotland goes independent and the Tories come first?
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Exactly. The SNP portray Scotland as a homogeneous population to suit their one-dimensional goal of a separate Scotland, when the reality is that the population shares the range of political beliefs as anywhere else in the UK (British Social Attitudes surveys). |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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Still waiting on hearing a good answer to this.
Do people want the Scottish government to keep paying to mitigate the bedroom tax or would they rather see the bedroom tax devolved to Scotland so our Scottish government will have the power to scrap it ?
I do not understand why anyone wants the Scottish government to keep on paying to mitigate Tory austerity than give Scotland real devolved power to scrap the likes of the bedroom tax.
I seen above one answer raise tax is that it the best outcome is to ask the Scottish tax payers to pay more tax to cover Tory auserity ? Wow just wow That would be the same Tories that Scotland rejected yes they have 13 mp's but its clear they dont give a fuck about Scotland anyone that claims the Tories are sticking up for Scotland needs to get a job as a stand up lol |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"OP you don't seem to grasp how politics works in a representative democracy. Lets say Scotland did go independent, do you think that everyone would suddenly agree? Did you say earlier up that the tories came in second in Scotland? What happens if Scotland goes independent and the Tories come first?
Or lets says the bigger cities start to say "why should we fund more per citizen for people living on remote islands" what would happen then?
No i dont think anyone would just agree. Yes sadly the Tories came 2nd with the pish poor Scottish Labour not doing enough to atack them and allowed this scumbags into 2nd.
First of if Scotland were to become independent then i think you will find Scottish Labour , Scottish Tories , Scottish Lib Dems will actually need to register is an official party in Scotland if you look up the Electoral Commission in Scotland you wont find any such parties therefore proves all we have up here is branch offices of Labour , Tory and Lib Dem getting telt from their bosses in Westminster what to say and do lol
You heard anyone say from the bigger cites about people living in remote islands ? I havent "
Scotland cries poor now and says it needs more money due to its rural population. Once Westminster stops bankrolling Scotland then it will be the richer cities paying for poorer islands, or are you going to put a stop to that? |
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'Sticking up for Scotland'. This is the language that all nationalists, of whatever hue, use. The idea of nationality above all. This Scotland you refer to....would this be wealthy Perthshire and Angus landowners, affluent Glasgow Westenders or those living in areas such as Pollok, Sighthill or Pilton who enjoy such terrible health inequalities? Explain to me how the SNP can 'stick up' for both the richest and poorest simply because they share the same part of an island? It's a fallacy.
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
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"'sticking up for Scotland' This is the language that all nationalists, of whatever hue? use. The idea of nationality above all. This Scotland you refer to....would this be wealthy Perthshire and Angus landowners, affluent Glasgow Westenders or those living in areas such as Pollok, Sighthill or Pilton who enjoy such terrible health inequalities? Explain to me how the SNP can 'stick up' for both the richest and poorest simply because they share the same part of an island? It's a fallacy. "
Are you asking me a question ? Come on fair is fair can you answer my question
Do you want the Scottish government to keep on paying to mitigate the bedroom tax ? Or would you rather see it devolved to Scotland so that the Scottish government could scrap the bedroom tax instead of mitigating it ? Be Honest.
Am curious to know your answer as i cannot understand why people would rather the Scottish government pay to mitigate Tory austerity rather than fight the case to give Scotland real devolved powers to scrap things like the bedroom tax. |
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By *LCCCouple
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"'sticking up for Scotland' This is the language that all nationalists, of whatever hue? use. The idea of nationality above all. This Scotland you refer to....would this be wealthy Perthshire and Angus landowners, affluent Glasgow Westenders or those living in areas such as Pollok, Sighthill or Pilton who enjoy such terrible health inequalities? Explain to me how the SNP can 'stick up' for both the richest and poorest simply because they share the same part of an island? It's a fallacy.
Are you asking me a question ? Come on fair is fair can you answer my question
Do you want the Scottish government to keep on paying to mitigate the bedroom tax ? Or would you rather see it devolved to Scotland so that the Scottish government could scrap the bedroom tax instead of mitigating it ? Be Honest.
Am curious to know your answer as i cannot understand why people would rather the Scottish government pay to mitigate Tory austerity rather than fight the case to give Scotland real devolved powers to scrap things like the bedroom tax. "
Do you think its right that the tax payer pays for a single person to live in a 4 bedroom house? |
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'Am curious to know your answer as i cannot understand why people would rather the Scottish government pay to mitigate Tory austerity rather than fight the case to give Scotland real devolved powers to scrap things like the bedroom tax.'
This has been answered already but I'll spell it out again for you.
The devolved government in Scotland's purpose is to govern on devolved issues using the range of tools available to them. This is what the electorate expects when we cast our vote at Scottish electiond and pay the First Minister and every other MSPs their salary.
What the electorate doesn't deserve is a Holyrood government that refuses to govern, to make decisions, that could improve outcomes for so many vulnerable people in our society NOW because of some playground chant that 'we didn't vote for the Tories'. The electorate has made it's views clear as to their wish to maintain the present constitutional arrangements. What you are suggesting is that people continue to suffer until the SNP achieve their raison d'etre...which is possibly the reason why the SNP sit on their hands whilst displaying mock outrage at Westminster. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
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"'sticking up for Scotland' This is the language that all nationalists, of whatever hue? use. The idea of nationality above all. This Scotland you refer to....would this be wealthy Perthshire and Angus landowners, affluent Glasgow Westenders or those living in areas such as Pollok, Sighthill or Pilton who enjoy such terrible health inequalities? Explain to me how the SNP can 'stick up' for both the richest and poorest simply because they share the same part of an island? It's a fallacy.
Are you asking me a question ? Come on fair is fair can you answer my question
Do you want the Scottish government to keep on paying to mitigate the bedroom tax ? Or would you rather see it devolved to Scotland so that the Scottish government could scrap the bedroom tax instead of mitigating it ? Be Honest.
Am curious to know your answer as i cannot understand why people would rather the Scottish government pay to mitigate Tory austerity rather than fight the case to give Scotland real devolved powers to scrap things like the bedroom tax.
Do you think its right that the tax payer pays for a single person to live in a 4 bedroom house? "
Answering with a question lol
I will await to see if someone will answer my question first. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"'Am curious to know your answer as i cannot understand why people would rather the Scottish government pay to mitigate Tory austerity rather than fight the case to give Scotland real devolved powers to scrap things like the bedroom tax.'
This has been answered already but I'll spell it out again for you.
The devolved government in Scotland's purpose is to govern on devolved issues using the range of tools available to them. This is what the electorate expects when we cast our vote at Scottish electiond and pay the First Minister and every other MSPs their salary.
What the electorate doesn't deserve is a Holyrood government that refuses to govern, to make decisions, that could improve outcomes for so many vulnerable people in our society NOW because of some playground chant that 'we didn't vote for the Tories'. The electorate has made it's views clear as to their wish to maintain the present constitutional arrangements. What you are suggesting is that people continue to suffer until the SNP achieve their raison d'etre...which is possibly the reason why the SNP sit on their hands whilst displaying mock outrage at Westminster. "
You did not answer it there. Am sorry that was not an answer.
This is the question. Do you want to Scottish government to keep paying to mitigate things like the bedroom tax ? Or would you rather fight to have it devolved to Scotland and then the Scottish government will have the power to scrap it ?
Surely you would rather fight to case to have real devolved powers to make a difference to improve on people that are vulnerable. Do you think the bedroom tax is a great idea ?
You seem to have a problem with the SNP so who do you think would do better name one ? As they would have the same powers the SNP do have right now and you know the bedroom tax is now devolved if Scottish Labour were in power they would either allow it to happen or mitigate it which is pish poor that people would rather that then have it devolved to scrap it altogether |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"'sticking up for Scotland' This is the language that all nationalists, of whatever hue? use. The idea of nationality above all. This Scotland you refer to....would this be wealthy Perthshire and Angus landowners, affluent Glasgow Westenders or those living in areas such as Pollok, Sighthill or Pilton who enjoy such terrible health inequalities? Explain to me how the SNP can 'stick up' for both the richest and poorest simply because they share the same part of an island? It's a fallacy.
Are you asking me a question ? Come on fair is fair can you answer my question
Do you want the Scottish government to keep on paying to mitigate the bedroom tax ? Or would you rather see it devolved to Scotland so that the Scottish government could scrap the bedroom tax instead of mitigating it ? Be Honest.
Am curious to know your answer as i cannot understand why people would rather the Scottish government pay to mitigate Tory austerity rather than fight the case to give Scotland real devolved powers to scrap things like the bedroom tax.
Do you think its right that the tax payer pays for a single person to live in a 4 bedroom house?
Answering with a question lol
I will await to see if someone will answer my question first. "
People have answered it for you, you just dont like the answer. |
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"'Am curious to know your answer as i cannot understand why people would rather the Scottish government pay to mitigate Tory austerity rather than fight the case to give Scotland real devolved powers to scrap things like the bedroom tax.'
This has been answered already but I'll spell it out again for you.
The devolved government in Scotland's purpose is to govern on devolved issues using the range of tools available to them. This is what the electorate expects when we cast our vote at Scottish electiond and pay the First Minister and every other MSPs their salary.
What the electorate doesn't deserve is a Holyrood government that refuses to govern, to make decisions, that could improve outcomes for so many vulnerable people in our society NOW because of some playground chant that 'we didn't vote for the Tories'. The electorate has made it's views clear as to their wish to maintain the present constitutional arrangements. What you are suggesting is that people continue to suffer until the SNP achieve their raison d'etre...which is possibly the reason why the SNP sit on their hands whilst displaying mock outrage at Westminster.
You did not answer it there. Am sorry that was not an answer.
This is the question. Do you want to Scottish government to keep paying to mitigate things like the bedroom tax ? Or would you rather fight to have it devolved to Scotland and then the Scottish government will have the power to scrap it ?
Surely you would rather fight to case to have real devolved powers to make a difference to improve on people that are vulnerable. Do you think the bedroom tax is a great idea ?
You seem to have a problem with the SNP so who do you think would do better name one ? As they would have the same powers the SNP do have right now and you know the bedroom tax is now devolved if Scottish Labour were in power they would either allow it to happen or mitigate it which is pish poor that people would rather that then have it devolved to scrap it altogether "
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
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"'Am curious to know your answer as i cannot understand why people would rather the Scottish government pay to mitigate Tory austerity rather than fight the case to give Scotland real devolved powers to scrap things like the bedroom tax.'
This has been answered already but I'll spell it out again for you.
The devolved government in Scotland's purpose is to govern on devolved issues using the range of tools available to them. This is what the electorate expects when we cast our vote at Scottish electiond and pay the First Minister and every other MSPs their salary.
What the electorate doesn't deserve is a Holyrood government that refuses to govern, to make decisions, that could improve outcomes for so many vulnerable people in our society NOW because of some playground chant that 'we didn't vote for the Tories'. The electorate has made it's views clear as to their wish to maintain the present constitutional arrangements. What you are suggesting is that people continue to suffer until the SNP achieve their raison d'etre...which is possibly the reason why the SNP sit on their hands whilst displaying mock outrage at Westminster.
You did not answer it there. Am sorry that was not an answer.
This is the question. Do you want to Scottish government to keep paying to mitigate things like the bedroom tax ? Or would you rather fight to have it devolved to Scotland and then the Scottish government will have the power to scrap it ?
Surely you would rather fight to case to have real devolved powers to make a difference to improve on people that are vulnerable. Do you think the bedroom tax is a great idea ?
You seem to have a problem with the SNP so who do you think would do better name one ? As they would have the same powers the SNP do have right now and you know the bedroom tax is now devolved if Scottish Labour were in power they would either allow it to happen or mitigate it which is pish poor that people would rather that then have it devolved to scrap it altogether
I refer you to my point regarding the present constitutional arrangements."
So thats the best answer we have is to keep paying to mitigate the bedroom tax instead of fighting to get it devolved to Scotland so Scotland will have the power to scrap it.
So want the Scottish government to govern but dont want to give them real devolved powers to do it let put Labour or anyone other party would have the same powers to work with makes no sense. |
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By *LCCCouple
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"'Am curious to know your answer as i cannot understand why people would rather the Scottish government pay to mitigate Tory austerity rather than fight the case to give Scotland real devolved powers to scrap things like the bedroom tax.'
This has been answered already but I'll spell it out again for you.
The devolved government in Scotland's purpose is to govern on devolved issues using the range of tools available to them. This is what the electorate expects when we cast our vote at Scottish electiond and pay the First Minister and every other MSPs their salary.
What the electorate doesn't deserve is a Holyrood government that refuses to govern, to make decisions, that could improve outcomes for so many vulnerable people in our society NOW because of some playground chant that 'we didn't vote for the Tories'. The electorate has made it's views clear as to their wish to maintain the present constitutional arrangements. What you are suggesting is that people continue to suffer until the SNP achieve their raison d'etre...which is possibly the reason why the SNP sit on their hands whilst displaying mock outrage at Westminster.
You did not answer it there. Am sorry that was not an answer.
This is the question. Do you want to Scottish government to keep paying to mitigate things like the bedroom tax ? Or would you rather fight to have it devolved to Scotland and then the Scottish government will have the power to scrap it ?
Surely you would rather fight to case to have real devolved powers to make a difference to improve on people that are vulnerable. Do you think the bedroom tax is a great idea ?
You seem to have a problem with the SNP so who do you think would do better name one ? As they would have the same powers the SNP do have right now and you know the bedroom tax is now devolved if Scottish Labour were in power they would either allow it to happen or mitigate it which is pish poor that people would rather that then have it devolved to scrap it altogether
I refer you to my point regarding the present constitutional arrangements.
So thats the best answer we have is to keep paying to mitigate the bedroom tax instead of fighting to get it devolved to Scotland so Scotland will have the power to scrap it.
So want the Scottish government to govern but dont want to give them real devolved powers to do it let put Labour or anyone other party would have the same powers to work with makes no sense. "
Scotland doesn't have to pay to mitigate it, it choses too. It could say for example that its not right for tax payers to pick up the tab for a single person to live in a 4 bedroom house. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
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"'Am curious to know your answer as i cannot understand why people would rather the Scottish government pay to mitigate Tory austerity rather than fight the case to give Scotland real devolved powers to scrap things like the bedroom tax.'
This has been answered already but I'll spell it out again for you.
The devolved government in Scotland's purpose is to govern on devolved issues using the range of tools available to them. This is what the electorate expects when we cast our vote at Scottish electiond and pay the First Minister and every other MSPs their salary.
What the electorate doesn't deserve is a Holyrood government that refuses to govern, to make decisions, that could improve outcomes for so many vulnerable people in our society NOW because of some playground chant that 'we didn't vote for the Tories'. The electorate has made it's views clear as to their wish to maintain the present constitutional arrangements. What you are suggesting is that people continue to suffer until the SNP achieve their raison d'etre...which is possibly the reason why the SNP sit on their hands whilst displaying mock outrage at Westminster.
You did not answer it there. Am sorry that was not an answer.
This is the question. Do you want to Scottish government to keep paying to mitigate things like the bedroom tax ? Or would you rather fight to have it devolved to Scotland and then the Scottish government will have the power to scrap it ?
Surely you would rather fight to case to have real devolved powers to make a difference to improve on people that are vulnerable. Do you think the bedroom tax is a great idea ?
You seem to have a problem with the SNP so who do you think would do better name one ? As they would have the same powers the SNP do have right now and you know the bedroom tax is now devolved if Scottish Labour were in power they would either allow it to happen or mitigate it which is pish poor that people would rather that then have it devolved to scrap it altogether
I refer you to my point regarding the present constitutional arrangements.
So thats the best answer we have is to keep paying to mitigate the bedroom tax instead of fighting to get it devolved to Scotland so Scotland will have the power to scrap it.
So want the Scottish government to govern but dont want to give them real devolved powers to do it let put Labour or anyone other party would have the same powers to work with makes no sense.
Scotland doesn't have to pay to mitigate it, it choses too. It could say for example that its not right for tax payers to pick up the tab for a single person to live in a 4 bedroom house. "
Yes that true the Scottish government dont have to pay it but chooses to pay it so people living in Scotland do not suffer. My point is some people seem happy to keep on mitigating the bedroom tax rather than fight to have it devolved to Scotland so the Scottish government have the power to scrap the damn thing.
But they also say they want the SNP ( Scottish Government to govern Scotland but just dont want to give them the power to govern to get rid of things like the bedroom tax but what they dont get put any other party / branch office in power in Scotland and they win have the same damn lack of powers to scrap the bedroom tax logic goes out the window.
Right now Scottish Labour are being punished by the Scottish voters for taking their votes for granted and not earning the votes.
Take another power that is not devolved to Scotland ... Fracking now back in Jan 2015 there was a vote in Westminster to have a UK wide moratorium ask yourself where the hell was the then Scottish Labour leader Jim Murphy ? He was up in Aberdeen heeding a baw yeah he thought football was more important than being there to vote on the issue of fracking. Then fast forward and now Scottish Labour want to ban fracking outright in Scotland when its not a devolved matter its reversed to Westminster where guess who wants it yeah the Tories. The moratorium the Scottish government put on fracking cannot be challenged or overuled so no fracking in Scotland but there is the Bain Principle coming out from Scottish Labour anyhting to attack the SNP but thick as mince to see if the SNP were to ban it then they could face a legal challenge in court by the fracking companies.
Also Scottish Labour thick as mince they want to scrap the football act but have fuck all Bill to bring forward on what they will bring to replace the football act with yeah and you wonder why Scottish Labour aint in power in Scotland as they are thick as mince. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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If the Tories were the second biggest party in Scotland, then it could be said that quite a lot of people in Scotland might be in favour of the bedroom tax.
Let's have a little thought experiment here. Lets say that bedroom tax was devolved to the Scottish Parliament, and the Scottish Parliament decided to scrap it. Now let's imagine that there was one part of Scotland, a town/city/island, that was unified in their support of the bedroom tax. This specific place thought that it was wholly inappropriate for the tax payer to foot the bill for someone to claim housing benefit on a property that was larger than they needed. Lets say this specific location said that they had many families in need of social housing that were unable to access it because all the bigger houses we under occupied. This location then said to the Scottish Government, "we want the power to reinstate the bedroom tax in our location". Would you grant it to them? |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"If the Tories were the second biggest party in Scotland, then it could be said that quite a lot of people in Scotland might be in favour of the bedroom tax.
Let's have a little thought experiment here. Lets say that bedroom tax was devolved to the Scottish Parliament, and the Scottish Parliament decided to scrap it. Now let's imagine that there was one part of Scotland, a town/city/island, that was unified in their support of the bedroom tax. This specific place thought that it was wholly inappropriate for the tax payer to foot the bill for someone to claim housing benefit on a property that was larger than they needed. Lets say this specific location said that they had many families in need of social housing that were unable to access it because all the bigger houses we under occupied. This location then said to the Scottish Government, "we want the power to reinstate the bedroom tax in our location". Would you grant it to them? "
Lol stretching there remember the Tories have a mere 13 out of 59 Mps in Scotland and one of those Tory MP's in Scotland gave his support to WASPI women and guess what he didnt support it after all never trust a Tory. They tried hard to get the hardcore unionist vote for the anti independence ticket which again they didnt get the majority so that was rejected lol
Can you name any town or city in Scotland that you have heard want the bedroom tax ? I think you will find a majority want it scrapped and what better way of doing that than to give Scotland that devolved power instead of having to take money out of the Scottish budget to mitigate it. Like i said seems some people want the SNP to govern but those same people just dont want to give them real devolved powers to govern and make Scotland better and not let the poor suffer.
You say imagine but have you heard anyone say oh my i want to pay extra for my spare room where they could have lived all their lives ? |
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Your wasting your time arguing with a nationalist.....Luckily this party has run its course...Devoid of ideas a total lack of talent and merely a nodding dog for Tory cuts...Talk left and act right is the SNP way....Such bullshitters with no policy other than to run Scotland into the ground with independence there only goal, but no idea what to do if we got there i bet ....The bell is clanging and the SNP are being called in as there time is up.
Corbyn is to the left and Davidson is to the right ...Where to now ?.... |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"If the Tories were the second biggest party in Scotland, then it could be said that quite a lot of people in Scotland might be in favour of the bedroom tax.
Let's have a little thought experiment here. Lets say that bedroom tax was devolved to the Scottish Parliament, and the Scottish Parliament decided to scrap it. Now let's imagine that there was one part of Scotland, a town/city/island, that was unified in their support of the bedroom tax. This specific place thought that it was wholly inappropriate for the tax payer to foot the bill for someone to claim housing benefit on a property that was larger than they needed. Lets say this specific location said that they had many families in need of social housing that were unable to access it because all the bigger houses we under occupied. This location then said to the Scottish Government, "we want the power to reinstate the bedroom tax in our location". Would you grant it to them?
Lol stretching there remember the Tories have a mere 13 out of 59 Mps in Scotland and one of those Tory MP's in Scotland gave his support to WASPI women and guess what he didnt support it after all never trust a Tory. They tried hard to get the hardcore unionist vote for the anti independence ticket which again they didnt get the majority so that was rejected lol
Can you name any town or city in Scotland that you have heard want the bedroom tax ? I think you will find a majority want it scrapped and what better way of doing that than to give Scotland that devolved power instead of having to take money out of the Scottish budget to mitigate it. Like i said seems some people want the SNP to govern but those same people just dont want to give them real devolved powers to govern and make Scotland better and not let the poor suffer.
You say imagine but have you heard anyone say oh my i want to pay extra for my spare room where they could have lived all their lives ? "
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Your wasting your time arguing with a nationalist.....Luckily this party has run its course...Devoid of ideas a total lack of talent and merely a nodding dog for Tory cuts...Talk left and act right is the SNP way....Such bullshitters with no policy other than to run Scotland into the ground with independence there only goal, but no idea what to do if we got there i bet ....The bell is clanging and the SNP are being called in as there time is up.
Corbyn is to the left and Davidson is to the right ...Where to now ?.... "
Lol am guessing you are calling me a nationalist ? So genuine question since you believe in the UK and being British over Scottish independence would that not then mean your a British nationalist ? lol
Lmao run its course yet people in Scotland still vote SNP and elect them in Holyrood and Westminster yup sure as hell looks like people are fed up with the SNP eh. What the hell does it say about the other branch offices that cant get anywhere near government in Scotland lmao
Is that Corbyn that is all for the UK heading into a hard brexit out the single market ? So he is now backing the Tories with leaving the single market.
What was it again for the many not the few ? So to hell with 48% and 62% of Scotland remain voters eh
Labour thick as mince and still have Blairite dickheads in the party that need to get to fuck and bring back the old Labour values of guess what yup you got it Home Rule |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
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"If the Tories were the second biggest party in Scotland, then it could be said that quite a lot of people in Scotland might be in favour of the bedroom tax.
Let's have a little thought experiment here. Lets say that bedroom tax was devolved to the Scottish Parliament, and the Scottish Parliament decided to scrap it. Now let's imagine that there was one part of Scotland, a town/city/island, that was unified in their support of the bedroom tax. This specific place thought that it was wholly inappropriate for the tax payer to foot the bill for someone to claim housing benefit on a property that was larger than they needed. Lets say this specific location said that they had many families in need of social housing that were unable to access it because all the bigger houses we under occupied. This location then said to the Scottish Government, "we want the power to reinstate the bedroom tax in our location". Would you grant it to them?
Lol stretching there remember the Tories have a mere 13 out of 59 Mps in Scotland and one of those Tory MP's in Scotland gave his support to WASPI women and guess what he didnt support it after all never trust a Tory. They tried hard to get the hardcore unionist vote for the anti independence ticket which again they didnt get the majority so that was rejected lol
Can you name any town or city in Scotland that you have heard want the bedroom tax ? I think you will find a majority want it scrapped and what better way of doing that than to give Scotland that devolved power instead of having to take money out of the Scottish budget to mitigate it. Like i said seems some people want the SNP to govern but those same people just dont want to give them real devolved powers to govern and make Scotland better and not let the poor suffer.
You say imagine but have you heard anyone say oh my i want to pay extra for my spare room where they could have lived all their lives ?
Please can you answer the question?"
You want me to answer a question that you dont even know ? You said imagine but here is the thing where have you saw any city , town or island say such a thing?
Like i said have you heard anyone that is shouting for the rooftops saying oh yes please i would love to pay extra for my spare room that i have lived in all my live ? Lol |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"If the Tories were the second biggest party in Scotland, then it could be said that quite a lot of people in Scotland might be in favour of the bedroom tax.
Let's have a little thought experiment here. Lets say that bedroom tax was devolved to the Scottish Parliament, and the Scottish Parliament decided to scrap it. Now let's imagine that there was one part of Scotland, a town/city/island, that was unified in their support of the bedroom tax. This specific place thought that it was wholly inappropriate for the tax payer to foot the bill for someone to claim housing benefit on a property that was larger than they needed. Lets say this specific location said that they had many families in need of social housing that were unable to access it because all the bigger houses we under occupied. This location then said to the Scottish Government, "we want the power to reinstate the bedroom tax in our location". Would you grant it to them?
Lol stretching there remember the Tories have a mere 13 out of 59 Mps in Scotland and one of those Tory MP's in Scotland gave his support to WASPI women and guess what he didnt support it after all never trust a Tory. They tried hard to get the hardcore unionist vote for the anti independence ticket which again they didnt get the majority so that was rejected lol
Can you name any town or city in Scotland that you have heard want the bedroom tax ? I think you will find a majority want it scrapped and what better way of doing that than to give Scotland that devolved power instead of having to take money out of the Scottish budget to mitigate it. Like i said seems some people want the SNP to govern but those same people just dont want to give them real devolved powers to govern and make Scotland better and not let the poor suffer.
You say imagine but have you heard anyone say oh my i want to pay extra for my spare room where they could have lived all their lives ?
Please can you answer the question?
You want me to answer a question that you dont even know ? You said imagine but here is the thing where have you saw any city , town or island say such a thing?
Like i said have you heard anyone that is shouting for the rooftops saying oh yes please i would love to pay extra for my spare room that i have lived in all my live ? Lol"
It's an analogy of what would you say if in an independent Scotland, another part of Scotland wanted power devolved to them. So what's your answer? |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
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Again you want me to answer something i cant answer because there is no city , town or island to my knowledge that the majority of people on benefits that are shouting out hey i would love to so pay extra for my spare room your welcome to come back to me when you find a town , city or island in Scotland saying they are infavour of the bedroom tax.
Again lets get back to my main point that some people are really saying they want the Scottish government to mitigate the bedroom tax / Tory cuts rather than fight to give Scotland real devolved powers to scrap the likes of the bedroom tax. But they dont seem to get it replace the SNP with anyone else in Scotland and they would have to work with the same powers the SNP have be interesting to see how they answer it then. |
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"Again you want me to answer something i cant answer because there is no city , town or island to my knowledge that the majority of people on benefits that are shouting out hey i would love to so pay extra for my spare room your welcome to come back to me when you find a town , city or island in Scotland saying they are infavour of the bedroom tax.
Again lets get back to my main point that some people are really saying they want the Scottish government to mitigate the bedroom tax / Tory cuts rather than fight to give Scotland real devolved powers to scrap the likes of the bedroom tax. But they dont seem to get it replace the SNP with anyone else in Scotland and they would have to work with the same powers the SNP have be interesting to see how they answer it then."
You are completely missing the point, firstly it wouldn't be the people on benefits calling for it, it would probably be the people receiving no benefits. But that is obviously too distracting for you, so ignore the bedroom tax.
Imagine an independent Scotland. Now imagine a smaller part of Scotland that wants powers devolved from the central Scottish Parliament, or indeed full independence from Scotland. What would you say? |
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"Again you want me to answer something i cant answer because there is no city , town or island to my knowledge that the majority of people on benefits that are shouting out hey i would love to so pay extra for my spare room your welcome to come back to me when you find a town , city or island in Scotland saying they are infavour of the bedroom tax.
Again lets get back to my main point that some people are really saying they want the Scottish government to mitigate the bedroom tax / Tory cuts rather than fight to give Scotland real devolved powers to scrap the likes of the bedroom tax. But they dont seem to get it replace the SNP with anyone else in Scotland and they would have to work with the same powers the SNP have be interesting to see how they answer it then.
You are completely missing the point, firstly it wouldn't be the people on benefits calling for it, it would probably be the people receiving no benefits. But that is obviously too distracting for you, so ignore the bedroom tax.
Imagine an independent Scotland. Now imagine a smaller part of Scotland that wants powers devolved from the central Scottish Parliament, or indeed full independence from Scotland. What would you say?"
Which smaller part of Scotland wants devolved powers ? How can i answer that when to my knowledge there is no smaller part of Scotland that has said they want devolved powers of their own. Lets stay in the present. So would you hand power over to Scotland to get rid of of the bedroom tax / Tory cuts ? Or would you be happy for it to stay as it is and want the Scottish government to keep mitigating Tory cuts ? Remember Scotland rejected the Tories so why should the Scottish people suffer ?
When You find city , town , island small part of Scotland that wants its own devolved power then please get back to me until then i cant answer that as its just made up.
Was there any small part of Scotland asking for devolved power in the first Scottish independence referendum ? I cant recall anyone saying oh yes i want some It was a simple Yes or No and then extra powers got somehow added why because the UK union shat themselves lol |
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"Again you want me to answer something i cant answer because there is no city , town or island to my knowledge that the majority of people on benefits that are shouting out hey i would love to so pay extra for my spare room your welcome to come back to me when you find a town , city or island in Scotland saying they are infavour of the bedroom tax.
Again lets get back to my main point that some people are really saying they want the Scottish government to mitigate the bedroom tax / Tory cuts rather than fight to give Scotland real devolved powers to scrap the likes of the bedroom tax. But they dont seem to get it replace the SNP with anyone else in Scotland and they would have to work with the same powers the SNP have be interesting to see how they answer it then.
You are completely missing the point, firstly it wouldn't be the people on benefits calling for it, it would probably be the people receiving no benefits. But that is obviously too distracting for you, so ignore the bedroom tax.
Imagine an independent Scotland. Now imagine a smaller part of Scotland that wants powers devolved from the central Scottish Parliament, or indeed full independence from Scotland. What would you say?
Which smaller part of Scotland wants devolved powers ? How can i answer that when to my knowledge there is no smaller part of Scotland that has said they want devolved powers of their own. Lets stay in the present. So would you hand power over to Scotland to get rid of of the bedroom tax / Tory cuts ? Or would you be happy for it to stay as it is and want the Scottish government to keep mitigating Tory cuts ? Remember Scotland rejected the Tories so why should the Scottish people suffer ?
When You find city , town , island small part of Scotland that wants its own devolved power then please get back to me until then i cant answer that as its just made up.
Was there any small part of Scotland asking for devolved power in the first Scottish independence referendum ? I cant recall anyone saying oh yes i want some It was a simple Yes or No and then extra powers got somehow added why because the UK union shat themselves lol"
So basically you are saying you are incapable of abstract thought?
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
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"Again you want me to answer something i cant answer because there is no city , town or island to my knowledge that the majority of people on benefits that are shouting out hey i would love to so pay extra for my spare room your welcome to come back to me when you find a town , city or island in Scotland saying they are infavour of the bedroom tax.
Again lets get back to my main point that some people are really saying they want the Scottish government to mitigate the bedroom tax / Tory cuts rather than fight to give Scotland real devolved powers to scrap the likes of the bedroom tax. But they dont seem to get it replace the SNP with anyone else in Scotland and they would have to work with the same powers the SNP have be interesting to see how they answer it then.
You are completely missing the point, firstly it wouldn't be the people on benefits calling for it, it would probably be the people receiving no benefits. But that is obviously too distracting for you, so ignore the bedroom tax.
Imagine an independent Scotland. Now imagine a smaller part of Scotland that wants powers devolved from the central Scottish Parliament, or indeed full independence from Scotland. What would you say?
Which smaller part of Scotland wants devolved powers ? How can i answer that when to my knowledge there is no smaller part of Scotland that has said they want devolved powers of their own. Lets stay in the present. So would you hand power over to Scotland to get rid of of the bedroom tax / Tory cuts ? Or would you be happy for it to stay as it is and want the Scottish government to keep mitigating Tory cuts ? Remember Scotland rejected the Tories so why should the Scottish people suffer ?
When You find city , town , island small part of Scotland that wants its own devolved power then please get back to me until then i cant answer that as its just made up.
Was there any small part of Scotland asking for devolved power in the first Scottish independence referendum ? I cant recall anyone saying oh yes i want some It was a simple Yes or No and then extra powers got somehow added why because the UK union shat themselves lol
So basically you are saying you are incapable of abstract thought?
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No am not saying that what i am saying is there is no evidence that there is any small part of Scotland claming they want their own devolved power ? Can you find any ? Until then i cant answer it
For example do you know the Tory plans for Brexit ? You cant answer it because you dont know i cant answer your question as like i said to my knowledge there is no small part of Scotland claiming they want devolved power. If that changes get back to me |
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"Again you want me to answer something i cant answer because there is no city , town or island to my knowledge that the majority of people on benefits that are shouting out hey i would love to so pay extra for my spare room your welcome to come back to me when you find a town , city or island in Scotland saying they are infavour of the bedroom tax.
Again lets get back to my main point that some people are really saying they want the Scottish government to mitigate the bedroom tax / Tory cuts rather than fight to give Scotland real devolved powers to scrap the likes of the bedroom tax. But they dont seem to get it replace the SNP with anyone else in Scotland and they would have to work with the same powers the SNP have be interesting to see how they answer it then.
You are completely missing the point, firstly it wouldn't be the people on benefits calling for it, it would probably be the people receiving no benefits. But that is obviously too distracting for you, so ignore the bedroom tax.
Imagine an independent Scotland. Now imagine a smaller part of Scotland that wants powers devolved from the central Scottish Parliament, or indeed full independence from Scotland. What would you say?
Which smaller part of Scotland wants devolved powers ? How can i answer that when to my knowledge there is no smaller part of Scotland that has said they want devolved powers of their own. Lets stay in the present. So would you hand power over to Scotland to get rid of of the bedroom tax / Tory cuts ? Or would you be happy for it to stay as it is and want the Scottish government to keep mitigating Tory cuts ? Remember Scotland rejected the Tories so why should the Scottish people suffer ?
When You find city , town , island small part of Scotland that wants its own devolved power then please get back to me until then i cant answer that as its just made up.
Was there any small part of Scotland asking for devolved power in the first Scottish independence referendum ? I cant recall anyone saying oh yes i want some It was a simple Yes or No and then extra powers got somehow added why because the UK union shat themselves lol
So basically you are saying you are incapable of abstract thought?
No am not saying that what i am saying is there is no evidence that there is any small part of Scotland claming they want their own devolved power ? Can you find any ? Until then i cant answer it
For example do you know the Tory plans for Brexit ? You cant answer it because you dont know i cant answer your question as like i said to my knowledge there is no small part of Scotland claiming they want devolved power. If that changes get back to me "
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"So would you hand power over to Scotland to get rid of of the bedroom tax / Tory cuts ?"
They already have the power to do things differently if they wished, a change in policy could easily be managed if they used existing tax raising powers to fund it.
The whole point is, why have an expensive parliament that only meets for three days a week and does bugger all but moan about what they cant do, when they do have powers to make a difference but choose not to use them!
The recent WASPI case is one example, they could make changes but choose not to. The current Scottish government is only interested in its obsession of independence and stoking up pointless grievances rather than the well being of its citizens.
As for salmonds "once in a generation" remark as being an "opinion", it was also the "opinion" of the Scottish Government, the Scottish Parliament, the snp, the yes campaign and the current leader of the nationalists and First Minister nicola aturgeon. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
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""So would you hand power over to Scotland to get rid of of the bedroom tax / Tory cuts ?"
They already have the power to do things differently if they wished, a change in policy could easily be managed if they used existing tax raising powers to fund it.
The whole point is, why have an expensive parliament that only meets for three days a week and does bugger all but moan about what they cant do, when they do have powers to make a difference but choose not to use them!
The recent WASPI case is one example, they could make changes but choose not to. The current Scottish government is only interested in its obsession of independence and stoking up pointless grievances rather than the well being of its citizens.
As for salmonds "once in a generation" remark as being an "opinion", it was also the "opinion" of the Scottish Government, the Scottish Parliament, the snp, the yes campaign and the current leader of the nationalists and First Minister nicola aturgeon. "
So thats it then best you have is raise tax to cover Tory austerity ? But nah dont want real devolved power.
Can anyone name all these existing powers that they want the Scottish government to use ? How about will someone be bold enough to admit the welfare powers Scotland was to get is not 100% full control of that devolved power ? Or is that just to be put to the side and not give a shit that the Tories are still gonna have a say in welfare ? Does anyone know what Home Rule is ?
Right i get it so just skip right over the fact the a Tory mp in Scotland went and told the WASPI women he would fully support them and then didnt ? So that doesnt matter now ?
Again where in the Edinburgh Agreement does it say there cant be another independence referendum within a generation ? The fact your missing is you may not like it but the SNP were elected by the people of Scotland on their manifesto and therefore have a mandate for another independence referendum if need be and why would people want to deny people the right to choose independence or a UK right wing brexit ? If i didnt know any better pro hardcore unionists do seem afraid to let the people of Scotland decide if they agree to brexit or would rather independence lol
Maybe if the unionist branch offices did better and actually got a majority on their anti indpendence / take it off the table then they could do that but its very undemocratic to ask an elected party to take something that the majority of Scotland voted for.
Brexit is going to be a big fuck up and people will soon enough see how much its going to be a big fuck up for the UK and Scotland does have a way out of suffering the UK brexit |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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Anyway back to Labour has anyone heard of seen anything from Kezia Dugdale the so called autonomous Scottish Labour leader ?
Has Kezia Dugdale clarified her single market stance as Jeremy Corbyn insists on hard Brexit ?
Remember Kezia did say back in 2016 '' absolutely committed to the EU and single market and supportive of the SNP effects to retain both''
Labour are all over the place with this no wonder no one believes them. infact the Scottish Labour mp's voted against the single market how the fuck is that for you their so called leader stood there telling people Scottish Labour support the SNP to retain both the EU and single market then they must have hit into Bain Principle mode lol |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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OP you obviously believe deeply in independence, however I find it just as deeply hypocritical that you would not be happy or allow a part of an independent Scotland to break away or have devolved powers for itself. |
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"OP you obviously believe deeply in independence, however I find it just as deeply hypocritical that you would not be happy or allow a part of an independent Scotland to break away or have devolved powers for itself. "
Can you find a quote where i said such a thing ? Thats putting words in my mouth i did say there is no evidence to say there is any part of Scotland that wants to break away or have devolved powers ? Can you show me where i have said this or can you show me which part has said they want to break away / have devolve powers? I cant answer something that isnt there |
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"So thats it then best you have is raise tax to cover Tory austerity ? But nah dont want real devolved power."
If we want to have a different policy from the rest of the UK,then we should pay for it, simple really. As I said, the Scottish government does have powers, it also has responsibilities. If you want different policies then you should pay for them, thats the responsibility bit. What is the point of devolution when the devolved government just continue with the policy of central government, youve just made a good case for it to be shut down. Were paying for a parliament that does nothing.
"Again where in the Edinburgh Agreement does it say there cant be another independence referendum within a generation ? "
Its in the part where it expired on the 31st of December 2014. The Edinburgh Agreement was only the result of a temporary transfer of power from Westminster to Holyrood.
I see you cant avoid the fact that salmond said it was a "once in a generation" chance, as did the Scottish government, the Scottish government, the yes campaign and the then deputy First Minister nicola sturgeon all used the phrase numerous times. But youll just turn a blind eye to that as usual.
"Maybe if the unionist branch offices did better and actually got a majority on their anti indpendence / take it off the table then they could do that but its very undemocratic to ask an elected party to take something that the majority of Scotland voted for."
It may have escaped your notice but in the recent General Election the "anti independence" parties got 63% of the votes.
Where do you get this "majority of Scotland voted for" ? The snp are a MINORITY government, NOT a MAJORITY one. Why do you persist in telling such lies?
"Brexit is going to be a big fuck up and people will soon enough see how much its going to be a big fuck up for the UK and Scotland does have a way out of suffering the UK brexit"
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""So thats it then best you have is raise tax to cover Tory austerity ? But nah dont want real devolved power."
If we want to have a different policy from the rest of the UK,then we should pay for it, simple really. As I said, the Scottish government does have powers, it also has responsibilities. If you want different policies then you should pay for them, thats the responsibility bit. What is the point of devolution when the devolved government just continue with the policy of central government, youve just made a good case for it to be shut down. Were paying for a parliament that does nothing.
"Again where in the Edinburgh Agreement does it say there cant be another independence referendum within a generation ? "
Its in the part where it expired on the 31st of December 2014. The Edinburgh Agreement was only the result of a temporary transfer of power from Westminster to Holyrood.
I see you cant avoid the fact that salmond said it was a "once in a generation" chance, as did the Scottish government, the Scottish government, the yes campaign and the then deputy First Minister nicola sturgeon all used the phrase numerous times. But youll just turn a blind eye to that as usual.
"Maybe if the unionist branch offices did better and actually got a majority on their anti indpendence / take it off the table then they could do that but its very undemocratic to ask an elected party to take something that the majority of Scotland voted for."
It may have escaped your notice but in the recent General Election the "anti independence" parties got 63% of the votes.
Where do you get this "majority of Scotland voted for" ? The snp are a MINORITY government, NOT a MAJORITY one. Why do you persist in telling such lies?
"Brexit is going to be a big fuck up and people will soon enough see how much its going to be a big fuck up for the UK and Scotland does have a way out of suffering the UK brexit"
Oh , tell us how please, show the way out of suffering the UK Brexit."
So you would rather the Scottish government pay to mitigate things like the bedroom tax ? Rather than fight to have it devolved to Scotland to then scrap it ? Wow so in all you would rather the Tories keep power to fuck over Scotland
So your saying Scotland cant have another independence referendum in a generation? Who gets to decide that ? Should that not be upto the people living in Scotland ? Same people that elected the SNP
Yes he said it but once again its opinion. The will of the Scottish people will decide when another independence referendum will be. One person on the pro union side said a generation is 30 years so who gets to decide that ? Why cant it be upto the people to decide when a referendum should take place ?
Oh fuck do that is the unionist best shite to lump together to vote no no thats not have it works you know fine well it dont work like that the majority vote went to the SNP and they won the election and have a triple lock mandate unless your seriously going to claim 13 Tory mps out of 59 seats is somehow winning lmao
ah right now we are onto Holyrood ok so SNP won 63 seats and i know how much you love lumping all the unionist branches together and it adds up to 59 which is bigger again 63 or 59 ? Yes you are correct SNP are minority government but dont forget 63 to 59 again which is bigger ? I tried explaining the section 30 order vote if you take out the 6 Green MSP's and if they abstained the SNP would have still had 63 -59 so it would have passed still
Scottish independence will be the way out. You cant seriously tell me with a straight face that you think brexit it going to be great for the UK. So far what makes you trust the Tories are going to get this great amazing deal ? The Tories havent a fucking clue on what they are doing lol |
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"Am still waiting to hear from anyone on this as it is a genuine question for those that want the Scottish government to keep mitigating Tory austerity.
So lets take the bedroom tax which was Labour idea btw.
Would people rather the Scottish government keep mitigating the bedroom tax or would they rather that was fully devolved to Scotland so that the Scottish government could scrap it ?
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Seeing as you're desperate for an answer...
I don't give a shit about how the Scottish government sort out the bedroom tax.
You remind me of my sister-in-law...never happy unless she has something to moan about! |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Am still waiting to hear from anyone on this as it is a genuine question for those that want the Scottish government to keep mitigating Tory austerity.
So lets take the bedroom tax which was Labour idea btw.
Would people rather the Scottish government keep mitigating the bedroom tax or would they rather that was fully devolved to Scotland so that the Scottish government could scrap it ?
Seeing as you're desperate for an answer...
I don't give a shit about how the Scottish government sort out the bedroom tax.
You remind me of my sister-in-law...never happy unless she has something to moan about!"
Why would you all they down there in Bristol ? You should be more worried that the Government England voted for are more than happy to ask the poor to pay for an extra bedroom.
I would prefer to see it devolved so the Scottish government can get the bedroom tax to fuck instead of having to pay to mitigate it when Scotland rejected the Tories but somehow have to suffer Tory cuts |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"OP you obviously believe deeply in independence, however I find it just as deeply hypocritical that you would not be happy or allow a part of an independent Scotland to break away or have devolved powers for itself.
Can you find a quote where i said such a thing ? Thats putting words in my mouth i did say there is no evidence to say there is any part of Scotland that wants to break away or have devolved powers ? Can you show me where i have said this or can you show me which part has said they want to break away / have devolve powers? I cant answer something that isnt there "
You can imagine an independent Scotland, but you can't imagine what would happen if a part of that Scotland wanted to be independent? Why? |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"OP you obviously believe deeply in independence, however I find it just as deeply hypocritical that you would not be happy or allow a part of an independent Scotland to break away or have devolved powers for itself.
Can you find a quote where i said such a thing ? Thats putting words in my mouth i did say there is no evidence to say there is any part of Scotland that wants to break away or have devolved powers ? Can you show me where i have said this or can you show me which part has said they want to break away / have devolve powers? I cant answer something that isnt there
You can imagine an independent Scotland, but you can't imagine what would happen if a part of that Scotland wanted to be independent? Why?"
Yes i can see Scotland as an independent country what your asking is pretty much a non question as i said to my knowledge there is no part of Scotland asking for devolved powers or to breakaway from Scotland so how can i answer that ? Come back to me when you find which part does say this.
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"OP you obviously believe deeply in independence, however I find it just as deeply hypocritical that you would not be happy or allow a part of an independent Scotland to break away or have devolved powers for itself.
Can you find a quote where i said such a thing ? Thats putting words in my mouth i did say there is no evidence to say there is any part of Scotland that wants to break away or have devolved powers ? Can you show me where i have said this or can you show me which part has said they want to break away / have devolve powers? I cant answer something that isnt there
You can imagine an independent Scotland, but you can't imagine what would happen if a part of that Scotland wanted to be independent? Why?
Yes i can see Scotland as an independent country what your asking is pretty much a non question as i said to my knowledge there is no part of Scotland asking for devolved powers or to breakaway from Scotland so how can i answer that ? Come back to me when you find which part does say this.
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So you are saying that you literally cannot comprehend such a scenario. You actually cannot imagine it. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"OP you obviously believe deeply in independence, however I find it just as deeply hypocritical that you would not be happy or allow a part of an independent Scotland to break away or have devolved powers for itself.
Can you find a quote where i said such a thing ? Thats putting words in my mouth i did say there is no evidence to say there is any part of Scotland that wants to break away or have devolved powers ? Can you show me where i have said this or can you show me which part has said they want to break away / have devolve powers? I cant answer something that isnt there
You can imagine an independent Scotland, but you can't imagine what would happen if a part of that Scotland wanted to be independent? Why?
Yes i can see Scotland as an independent country what your asking is pretty much a non question as i said to my knowledge there is no part of Scotland asking for devolved powers or to breakaway from Scotland so how can i answer that ? Come back to me when you find which part does say this.
So you are saying that you literally cannot comprehend such a scenario. You actually cannot imagine it. "
Have you heard of any part of Scotland that has said if Scotland gained independence we want our own devolved power or to breakaway from Scotland ? Did you even hear anything like that during the 2014 independence referendum ? I didnt until then its a non question
For example thats like asking what would happen if the city of London went independent from the UK lol how can you answer that because no one has said thats gonna happen |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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On lighter good news i hope WOS keep up with his defamation action against Kezia Dugdale
As the unionists do not like it strange as hell as it feels like the amount of name calling from them is acceptable but when someone from the pro indy side take action and bring it to court its not allowed.
If anyone saw the comment he made against Oliver and David Mundell you will know why this action is being took and quite right he is to take action against Kezia
Remember someone commented on Kate Hopkins telling her about her dad using a condom same kinda thing to what WOS said so double standards so hopeful they will learn if your going to attack someone make sure its not in anyway defamation |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"OP you obviously believe deeply in independence, however I find it just as deeply hypocritical that you would not be happy or allow a part of an independent Scotland to break away or have devolved powers for itself.
Can you find a quote where i said such a thing ? Thats putting words in my mouth i did say there is no evidence to say there is any part of Scotland that wants to break away or have devolved powers ? Can you show me where i have said this or can you show me which part has said they want to break away / have devolve powers? I cant answer something that isnt there
You can imagine an independent Scotland, but you can't imagine what would happen if a part of that Scotland wanted to be independent? Why?
Yes i can see Scotland as an independent country what your asking is pretty much a non question as i said to my knowledge there is no part of Scotland asking for devolved powers or to breakaway from Scotland so how can i answer that ? Come back to me when you find which part does say this.
So you are saying that you literally cannot comprehend such a scenario. You actually cannot imagine it.
Have you heard of any part of Scotland that has said if Scotland gained independence we want our own devolved power or to breakaway from Scotland ? Did you even hear anything like that during the 2014 independence referendum ? I didnt until then its a non question
For example thats like asking what would happen if the city of London went independent from the UK lol how can you answer that because no one has said thats gonna happen"
That is something that I can imagine, I can imagine what the rest of the country would think, the negatives it would have, the legal and political issues etc. You see it doesn't matter or not if this is going to happen or not. I can still think about it. However you seem incapable of the same thought process. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"OP you obviously believe deeply in independence, however I find it just as deeply hypocritical that you would not be happy or allow a part of an independent Scotland to break away or have devolved powers for itself.
Can you find a quote where i said such a thing ? Thats putting words in my mouth i did say there is no evidence to say there is any part of Scotland that wants to break away or have devolved powers ? Can you show me where i have said this or can you show me which part has said they want to break away / have devolve powers? I cant answer something that isnt there
You can imagine an independent Scotland, but you can't imagine what would happen if a part of that Scotland wanted to be independent? Why?
Yes i can see Scotland as an independent country what your asking is pretty much a non question as i said to my knowledge there is no part of Scotland asking for devolved powers or to breakaway from Scotland so how can i answer that ? Come back to me when you find which part does say this.
So you are saying that you literally cannot comprehend such a scenario. You actually cannot imagine it.
Have you heard of any part of Scotland that has said if Scotland gained independence we want our own devolved power or to breakaway from Scotland ? Did you even hear anything like that during the 2014 independence referendum ? I didnt until then its a non question
For example thats like asking what would happen if the city of London went independent from the UK lol how can you answer that because no one has said thats gonna happen
That is something that I can imagine, I can imagine what the rest of the country would think, the negatives it would have, the legal and political issues etc. You see it doesn't matter or not if this is going to happen or not. I can still think about it. However you seem incapable of the same thought process."
Ok did you hear any city , town or island or any part of Scotland claim in the 2014 Scottish independence that if it was a yes vote they would look to ask for devolved powers or break away from an independent Scotland ? I didnt so why would it be any different this time round.
I havent heard anything on that so how the hell can i answer something that has not been asked. Until then its a non question. |
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If Scotland was to break from the UK, you would have the Shetlands demanding a break from Scotland within a week of this happening........Funny how Nationalists do not get this...look at how everywhere voted in 2014 and other than the central belts main city the SNP were nowhere . Oh and they are fast returning there 500k votes lost and dropping daily.....Sturgeon the busted flush knows she is just another nat howling at the moon |
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The SNP lost 1/3 of their vote in the space of 2 years. There's an anguish and desperation among some of their followers as they realise this isn't a blip, it's a sign of the future and they're lashing out everywhere. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"If Scotland was to break from the UK, you would have the Shetlands demanding a break from Scotland within a week of this happening........Funny how Nationalists do not get this...look at how everywhere voted in 2014 and other than the central belts main city the SNP were nowhere . Oh and they are fast returning there 500k votes lost and dropping daily.....Sturgeon the busted flush knows she is just another nat howling at the moon "
Thats your opinion only not fact now did you hear anyone state that if Scotland were to became independent that Shetland would break away from Scotland ? Yes lets look at 2014 yes Shetland voted no but at no fucking point did anyone state if there was a yes vote Shetland would seek to break away from Scotland.
Oh and now that we have brexit and farmers being shafted by the UK government bring to seek a power grip over powers that should come back to Scotland i do wonder how they will feel. What was it Mundell said again ? Scotland WILL get all these great devolved powers when the UK leaves the EU then we all find out that was a fucking lie and Scotland wont get any powers must be great that people accept being fucking lied to and never want to challenge it.
You must really hate the SNP eh. Problem for you since 2014 SNP have one 2015 , 2015 and 2017 elections in Scotland and thats both in Holyrood and Westminster. Hell you had Labour activists trying to tell you all that because of Kezia hell bend on her stop IndyRef2 and trying to non stop attack the SNP instead of the Tories they finished 3rd yeah fucking 3rd. When will Scottish Labour learn? |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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Out of interest see when someone calls the pro indy side as a nationalist what does it make them when they believe in the UK union ?
Would they be classed as a British Nationalist ?
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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Am curious those people that believe in keeping the UK together and are happy with the union.
When the final brexit is known do you think Scottish people should be denied the right to have a say whether they agree on brexit or would rather Scottish independence ?
Surely if you think there is nothing to worry about then you would be ok with having a Scottish referendum to allow the Scottish people to decide as people are very much allowed to change their minds on independence correct ? You cant force anyone to stick to their vote from 2014 if they want they are allowed to change it.
the 62% of Scottish remain voters are being ignored. i know someone is going to what about the 38% of leave voters is Scotland yes they should be listened to on their views but i ask you and answer honestly where the fuck has the UK government and UK union tried to listen to the 45% that voted to leave the UK ? Now promises were made back in 2014 and can anyone name one fucking thing that has been delivered from those promises ? Where is your Home Rule ?
Hell SNP had to fucking step in and find a buyer for the Steel works and ShipYards they were all suppose to be safe in the UK correct. I didnt see any unionist say thanks to the SNP for going out their and finding buyers so no jobs were lost no no thats too much to ask for.
NHS that was also suppose to be safe in the UK but strange thing is all i hear is unionist say its in chaos weird as fuck as the Scottish NHS is the best in the UK and at 95% on meeting targets shame on anyone talking down our NHS what i great job those nurses and doctors do. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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Please do me a favour anyone that reads this thread this is to anyone that agrees that there shouldnt be another independence referendum or for it to be blocked.
Go onto You Tube and type in ''Journey to Yes #14 Farming''
These people are farmers that did vote NO to Scottish independence 2014 and believed the Better Together camp when they said voting no will mean the EU will be safe in the UK. Listen to them now would you be happy to deny them and all the others in each of the ''Journey to Yes'' videos ?
These people were NO voters what do you tell them ? Would you honestly tell them to suck it up and accept Scotland coming out of the EU when clearly the Majority vote was to remain in the EU those people are worried to fuck about their jobs as farmers and Scotland got told no new powers are coming to Scotland once the UK leaves the EU so its a power grab by the Tories.
Listen to them as they were once NO voters and now have changed to YES why oh why would you deny them their right to vote YES ? Worried that the UK is going to break up ?
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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OK OP, please see the below article which talks about the possibility of Shetland Islands claiming independence from Scotland. In the article it says even Alex Salmond said that Shetland oil wouldn't belong to Scotland. So will you now answer this question?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-independence-indyref2-shetland-islands-uk-norman-lamont-referendum-a7675666.html |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"OK OP, please see the below article which talks about the possibility of Shetland Islands claiming independence from Scotland. In the article it says even Alex Salmond said that Shetland oil wouldn't belong to Scotland. So will you now answer this question?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-independence-indyref2-shetland-islands-uk-norman-lamont-referendum-a7675666.html"
Sorry, Salmond said that there was a possibility that the oil might not belong to an independent Scotland. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"OK OP, please see the below article which talks about the possibility of Shetland Islands claiming independence from Scotland. In the article it says even Alex Salmond said that Shetland oil wouldn't belong to Scotland. So will you now answer this question?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-independence-indyref2-shetland-islands-uk-norman-lamont-referendum-a7675666.html"
The article starts off with this '' former Tory chancellor has said'' Sorry i dont believe bullshit
You want me to actually believe words coming out of a Tory mouth lmao Thats only his opinion does not mean its fact
Now again no part of Scotland has said such a thing until then i cant answer it.
Brexit has changed everything and you all know.
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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ps This shite came from that same article from that same bullshit Tory mouth
''Referenda ought to be occasional. You can’t just keep testing public opinion until you get the answer you want''
Erm did he not witness the SNP manifesto where it was made very clear if Scotland were to vote to remain in the EU and the rest of the UK drag Scotland out that Scotland should have the right to have another independence referendum.
Now seen as the Scottish voters send a message by electing the SNP into government on their manifesto policy to seek an independence referendum there is the public giving an answer and the UK government should not try to step in the way of it look above to what i said about going onto You Tube and typing in ''Journey to YES'' those are all NO voters that now would vote YES listen to them and there worrys of the way the UK is going in a deep dark path. Scottish Labour should always listen and not try and take sides but allow the Scottish people to decide our future. They had there chance to deliver Home Rule for Scotland and disrespected the whole of Scotland by not giving Home Rule.
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"OK OP, please see the below article which talks about the possibility of Shetland Islands claiming independence from Scotland. In the article it says even Alex Salmond said that Shetland oil wouldn't belong to Scotland. So will you now answer this question?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-independence-indyref2-shetland-islands-uk-norman-lamont-referendum-a7675666.html
The article starts off with this '' former Tory chancellor has said'' Sorry i dont believe bullshit
You want me to actually believe words coming out of a Tory mouth lmao Thats only his opinion does not mean its fact
Now again no part of Scotland has said such a thing until then i cant answer it.
Brexit has changed everything and you all know.
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Right. 
How about this then? The Shetland Movement called for greater autonomy, legislative and taxation powers for Shetland Islands.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shetland_Movement  |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"OK OP, please see the below article which talks about the possibility of Shetland Islands claiming independence from Scotland. In the article it says even Alex Salmond said that Shetland oil wouldn't belong to Scotland. So will you now answer this question?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-independence-indyref2-shetland-islands-uk-norman-lamont-referendum-a7675666.html
The article starts off with this '' former Tory chancellor has said'' Sorry i dont believe bullshit
You want me to actually believe words coming out of a Tory mouth lmao Thats only his opinion does not mean its fact
Now again no part of Scotland has said such a thing until then i cant answer it.
Brexit has changed everything and you all know.
Right.
How about this then? The Shetland Movement called for greater autonomy, legislative and taxation powers for Shetland Islands.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shetland_Movement "
What ? Moved on to Wikipedia now ? Would that be Wikipedia where anyone can add things too lol
How many is in this movement ? How many people live in Shetland ? Would it be in the majority that has shouted out from the rooftops they wanna leave Scotland ? |
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"OK OP, please see the below article which talks about the possibility of Shetland Islands claiming independence from Scotland. In the article it says even Alex Salmond said that Shetland oil wouldn't belong to Scotland. So will you now answer this question?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-independence-indyref2-shetland-islands-uk-norman-lamont-referendum-a7675666.html
The article starts off with this '' former Tory chancellor has said'' Sorry i dont believe bullshit
You want me to actually believe words coming out of a Tory mouth lmao Thats only his opinion does not mean its fact
Now again no part of Scotland has said such a thing until then i cant answer it.
Brexit has changed everything and you all know.
Right.
How about this then? The Shetland Movement called for greater autonomy, legislative and taxation powers for Shetland Islands.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shetland_Movement
What ? Moved on to Wikipedia now ? Would that be Wikipedia where anyone can add things too lol
How many is in this movement ? How many people live in Shetland ? Would it be in the majority that has shouted out from the rooftops they wanna leave Scotland ? "
Last ti i heard the Shetlands was part of Scotland and Scotland was part of the UK ....so your arguement is flawed in the temrms of numbers |
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By *LCCCouple
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"OK OP, please see the below article which talks about the possibility of Shetland Islands claiming independence from Scotland. In the article it says even Alex Salmond said that Shetland oil wouldn't belong to Scotland. So will you now answer this question?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-independence-indyref2-shetland-islands-uk-norman-lamont-referendum-a7675666.html
The article starts off with this '' former Tory chancellor has said'' Sorry i dont believe bullshit
You want me to actually believe words coming out of a Tory mouth lmao Thats only his opinion does not mean its fact
Now again no part of Scotland has said such a thing until then i cant answer it.
Brexit has changed everything and you all know.
Right.
How about this then? The Shetland Movement called for greater autonomy, legislative and taxation powers for Shetland Islands.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shetland_Movement
What ? Moved on to Wikipedia now ? Would that be Wikipedia where anyone can add things too lol
How many is in this movement ? How many people live in Shetland ? Would it be in the majority that has shouted out from the rooftops they wanna leave Scotland ? "
Right.... how about the MSP for Shetland, would you listen to him?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jun/30/shetland-independence-vote-scotland?CMP=share_btn_wa
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"OK OP, please see the below article which talks about the possibility of Shetland Islands claiming independence from Scotland. In the article it says even Alex Salmond said that Shetland oil wouldn't belong to Scotland. So will you now answer this question?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-independence-indyref2-shetland-islands-uk-norman-lamont-referendum-a7675666.html
The article starts off with this '' former Tory chancellor has said'' Sorry i dont believe bullshit
You want me to actually believe words coming out of a Tory mouth lmao Thats only his opinion does not mean its fact
Now again no part of Scotland has said such a thing until then i cant answer it.
Brexit has changed everything and you all know.
Right.
How about this then? The Shetland Movement called for greater autonomy, legislative and taxation powers for Shetland Islands.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shetland_Movement
What ? Moved on to Wikipedia now ? Would that be Wikipedia where anyone can add things too lol
How many is in this movement ? How many people live in Shetland ? Would it be in the majority that has shouted out from the rooftops they wanna leave Scotland ?
Right.... how about the MSP for Shetland, would you listen to him?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jun/30/shetland-independence-vote-scotland?CMP=share_btn_wa
That's three seperate sources now. Surely that is enough for you to finally answer the question? "
Who ? Tavish Scott? LMAO is this a wind up ? Asking me to take the words of the Lib Dems seriously ? Its gonna be a wind up have you heard of the Scottish LibDem branch leader Alistair Carmichael and his lies nope cant take any of the unionist branch offices seriously they are all at it telling lies.
So again this Shetland movement how many is in this movement ? How many people is living in Shetland ? Is this Shetland movement the majority of people living in Shetland ?
Fact remains no city , town , island and come out and stated they want to leave Scotland should it vote to leave the UK its all rumors and non based on fact until then i cant answer if you can please find one for me that has 100% confirmed it wants to leave Scotland should it vote yes to independence lets put the nail in the coffin
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Kinky is really sad and desperate now... He knows the game is almost up...The only question is if the Nationalists will get third next time....The Nationalist bubble has burst, the base vote is heading left leaving those arch socialists ...Sturgeon and Swinney to the rump of the party which has such strong tatan Tory roots |
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"Kinky is really sad and desperate now... He knows the game is almost up...The only question is if the Nationalists will get third next time....The Nationalist bubble has burst, the base vote is heading left leaving those arch socialists ...Sturgeon and Swinney to the rump of the party which has such strong tatan Tory roots "
Really ? Come on this is an adult site thats suppose to be fun and yet here you are calling me sad ? Where is the need for that.
Again let me point this out since the 2014 Scottish independence referendum the SNP have gone on to win the 2015 , 2016 and 2017 Holyrood and UK elections. Scottish Labour finished 3rd yes 3rd why do you think that is ?
No bubble has burst i think you may be living in a bubble if you cant even accept the SNP have won elections in Scotland and do have a mandate to deliver on their policies in their manifesto's no unionist branch office in Scotland has a mandate.
Am curious to know this do you think its right that Scotland will not get any new powers after the UK leave Brexit ? Tell me what do you tell those farmers and fisherman ? Do you really want to give the Tories power that should come back to Scotland as a devolved power ?
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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PS.
You claim the SNP have tartan Tory roots
I think you should really go listen to the Labour activsts in Scotland as they are telling you Scottish Labour leader led a campagin that was shite and was all about IndyRef2 and attacking the SNP non stop instead of attacking the Tories and thats what lead to the Tories gaining in Scotland through Scottish Labour failure to actually attack the Tories.
Remember the 184 Labour mps that sat on their arses and abstained on the welfare bill and let the Tories pass that shite off at least all the SNP MP's voted against that and that is on record |
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"If anyone not living in Scotland wonders why the people of Scotland have lost trust with Scottish Labour branch office then this should make it clear.
Kezia Dugdale - Scottish Labour branch leader said this on the 7th Sept 2016 - ''absolutely committed to EU and single market and supportive of SNP efforts to retain both''
Thats very strange as when UK Labour had a vote on the single market they voted against it and Corbyn even sacked some of his front bench for going against the whip.
Then we have this from the Scottish Labour branch - ''Workers on zero-hours contracts earn a third less than average. Labour would ban zero-hours contracts''
Strange as Welsh Labour have been in since 1999 and 7 times zero
hours contracts have been brought forward. 7 times Welsh Labour voted against banning them.
Then we have Owen Jones well known Labour supporter claim this beauty ''Only Labour will abolish tuition fees'' erm duhhh!!!! the SNP have already have abolished tuition fees so that claim is bullshit.
One Labour party my arse they couldnt agree on the colour of shite and are telling lies to try and get voters back.
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Unlike someone on here i am a Democrat.. You spit the word Tory out as if it was a swear word..... They won the election that is it...More powers for Scotland after Brexit....Why when the tartan eunachs are too scared to use the powers they already have .... Yes Tartan Eunachs !!! |
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"Unlike someone on here i am a Democrat.. You spit the word Tory out as if it was a swear word..... They won the election that is it...More powers for Scotland after Brexit....Why when the tartan eunachs are too scared to use the powers they already have .... Yes Tartan Eunachs !!!"
Lol Yes the Tories are scum i have no problem saying that. They didnt win an election in Scotland correct ?
Did you not hear David Mundell promise that Scotland will get more powers after the UK leaves the EU ? Then we all find out Scotland will NOT get any powers after the UK leaves ? Does a promise mean nothing to you ? Mind you all i have to do is look back to 2014 Better Together promises so see the hardcore pro union support dont seem to care about those promises.
Ok what existing powers do you want the Scottish government to use ? I keep hearing this from the pro union side so what existing powers you want them to use ?
So far i have heard the pro union support say they want the Scottish government to keep on mitigating the likes of the bedroom tax instead of fighting to get it devolved to Scotland so we have the power to actually get rid of it. How is that for you the pro union side would rather our Scottish government mitigate Tory austerity rather than fight to get it devolved to Scotland. Says it all really than you would rather take money out of the Scottish budget to cover up Tory austerity. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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What would you tell farmers and fisherman that now be worrying like hell to see powers go straight to Westminster instead of going straight to Holyrood ?
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Why should they be worried as hell? If you believe that Edinburgh is better placed to decide than London, then surely you must believe that London is better than Brussels? |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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What would you tell farmers and fisherman that now be worrying like hell to see powers go straight to Westminster instead of going straight to Holyrood ?
Why should they be worried as hell? If you believe that Edinburgh is better placed to decide than London, then surely you must believe that London is better than Brussels? "
Erm let me remind you ok a promise from the Better Together camp from 2014. They were telling people vote NO and the EU will be safe in the UK now we all know that was utter bullshit.
The EU is no longer safe in the UK as promised and now we are all seeing the Tory power grab that Scotland are not to get any powers when the UK leaves the EU so the Agriculture powers are going to Westminster instead of Holyrood when they should be devolved to Scotland. Like i said remember the 2014 promise that the EU would be safe in the UK bullshit!!! |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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What would you tell farmers and fisherman that now be worrying like hell to see powers go straight to Westminster instead of going straight to Holyrood ?
Why should they be worried as hell? If you believe that Edinburgh is better placed to decide than London, then surely you must believe that London is better than Brussels?
Erm let me remind you ok a promise from the Better Together camp from 2014. They were telling people vote NO and the EU will be safe in the UK now we all know that was utter bullshit.
The EU is no longer safe in the UK as promised and now we are all seeing the Tory power grab that Scotland are not to get any powers when the UK leaves the EU so the Agriculture powers are going to Westminster instead of Holyrood when they should be devolved to Scotland. Like i said remember the 2014 promise that the EU would be safe in the UK bullshit!!! "
We will leave the issue of if they should or shouldn't be devolved powers or not for the moment, let's just go back to your original point that they should be "worried as hell" why should they?
[btw The EU isn't inside the UK] |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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What would you tell farmers and fisherman that now be worrying like hell to see powers go straight to Westminster instead of going straight to Holyrood ?
Why should they be worried as hell? If you believe that Edinburgh is better placed to decide than London, then surely you must believe that London is better than Brussels?
Erm let me remind you ok a promise from the Better Together camp from 2014. They were telling people vote NO and the EU will be safe in the UK now we all know that was utter bullshit.
The EU is no longer safe in the UK as promised and now we are all seeing the Tory power grab that Scotland are not to get any powers when the UK leaves the EU so the Agriculture powers are going to Westminster instead of Holyrood when they should be devolved to Scotland. Like i said remember the 2014 promise that the EU would be safe in the UK bullshit!!!
We will leave the issue of if they should or shouldn't be devolved powers or not for the moment, let's just go back to your original point that they should be "worried as hell" why should they?
[btw The EU isn't inside the UK] "
Why should they be worried well like i said back in 2014 Better Together said vote no and the EU would be safe in the UK. Now its not safe in the EU any longer and considering that Scotland is not getting any powers once the UK leaves the EU then those powers go to Westminster instead of Holyrood. When we all know that it should be devolved to Scotland.
Big picture here is David Mundell told people in Scotland that Scotland would get all these great powers once brexit happens then we all find out that was lies and no powers are coming to Holyrood and people think thats ok and just by pass that? Never fucking trust a Tory lying scumbags |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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What would you tell farmers and fisherman that now be worrying like hell to see powers go straight to Westminster instead of going straight to Holyrood ?
Why should they be worried as hell? If you believe that Edinburgh is better placed to decide than London, then surely you must believe that London is better than Brussels?
Erm let me remind you ok a promise from the Better Together camp from 2014. They were telling people vote NO and the EU will be safe in the UK now we all know that was utter bullshit.
The EU is no longer safe in the UK as promised and now we are all seeing the Tory power grab that Scotland are not to get any powers when the UK leaves the EU so the Agriculture powers are going to Westminster instead of Holyrood when they should be devolved to Scotland. Like i said remember the 2014 promise that the EU would be safe in the UK bullshit!!!
We will leave the issue of if they should or shouldn't be devolved powers or not for the moment, let's just go back to your original point that they should be "worried as hell" why should they?
[btw The EU isn't inside the UK] "
P.S
Go onto You Tube and type this in ''Journey to Yes #14 Farming''
Watch that and then you will get why Farmers are worried and why they were No voters and now will vote YES in a new independence referendum.
Infact watch all of the Journey to Yes videos and you will see No voters have changed their minds and now will back independence. Brexit has fucked the UK and everyone can see how bad it will be and Scotland will have a way out.
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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What would you tell farmers and fisherman that now be worrying like hell to see powers go straight to Westminster instead of going straight to Holyrood ?
Why should they be worried as hell? If you believe that Edinburgh is better placed to decide than London, then surely you must believe that London is better than Brussels?
Erm let me remind you ok a promise from the Better Together camp from 2014. They were telling people vote NO and the EU will be safe in the UK now we all know that was utter bullshit.
The EU is no longer safe in the UK as promised and now we are all seeing the Tory power grab that Scotland are not to get any powers when the UK leaves the EU so the Agriculture powers are going to Westminster instead of Holyrood when they should be devolved to Scotland. Like i said remember the 2014 promise that the EU would be safe in the UK bullshit!!!
We will leave the issue of if they should or shouldn't be devolved powers or not for the moment, let's just go back to your original point that they should be "worried as hell" why should they?
[btw The EU isn't inside the UK]
P.S
Go onto You Tube and type this in ''Journey to Yes #14 Farming''
Watch that and then you will get why Farmers are worried and why they were No voters and now will vote YES in a new independence referendum.
Infact watch all of the Journey to Yes videos and you will see No voters have changed their minds and now will back independence. Brexit has fucked the UK and everyone can see how bad it will be and Scotland will have a way out.
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Sorry, but we don't have a federal system in the UK, so all powers rest with Parliament (the proper one based in London). Therefore it is obvious that there would be no automatic, constitutional reason for farming and fishing to be devolved.
I agree there are good reasons why they should be devolved, and I asked this question of Leavers before and after the referendum. I said that issues like this could easily lead to resentment and the break up of the UK. But people said I was scare mongering. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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What would you tell farmers and fisherman that now be worrying like hell to see powers go straight to Westminster instead of going straight to Holyrood ?
Why should they be worried as hell? If you believe that Edinburgh is better placed to decide than London, then surely you must believe that London is better than Brussels?
Erm let me remind you ok a promise from the Better Together camp from 2014. They were telling people vote NO and the EU will be safe in the UK now we all know that was utter bullshit.
The EU is no longer safe in the UK as promised and now we are all seeing the Tory power grab that Scotland are not to get any powers when the UK leaves the EU so the Agriculture powers are going to Westminster instead of Holyrood when they should be devolved to Scotland. Like i said remember the 2014 promise that the EU would be safe in the UK bullshit!!!
We will leave the issue of if they should or shouldn't be devolved powers or not for the moment, let's just go back to your original point that they should be "worried as hell" why should they?
[btw The EU isn't inside the UK]
P.S
Go onto You Tube and type this in ''Journey to Yes #14 Farming''
Watch that and then you will get why Farmers are worried and why they were No voters and now will vote YES in a new independence referendum.
Infact watch all of the Journey to Yes videos and you will see No voters have changed their minds and now will back independence. Brexit has fucked the UK and everyone can see how bad it will be and Scotland will have a way out.
Sorry, but we don't have a federal system in the UK, so all powers rest with Parliament (the proper one based in London). Therefore it is obvious that there would be no automatic, constitutional reason for farming and fishing to be devolved.
I agree there are good reasons why they should be devolved, and I asked this question of Leavers before and after the referendum. I said that issues like this could easily lead to resentment and the break up of the UK. But people said I was scare mongering."
What the fuck ? You said ''the proper one'' Are you honestly saying the Scottish parliament is not a proper parliament ? So its just made up shit ? There is a good reason there why people want to the UK to break up by claiming that Westminster is the proper parliment somehow how claiming Holyrood is just made up shite. Well Holyrood just should that proper Parliament in Westminster how things is done Scotland's GDP is outperforming the the rest of the UK by miles and you could say thanks to Scotland the UK is not in recession. Well done to the Scottish government there is an SNP good story
So you think farming and fishing should go down to Westminster for them to decide ? Some equal partnership this UK union is eh lol
Again needs point out the UK government has already said Scotland wont get any powers. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"P.s
What would you tell farmers and fisherman that now be worrying like hell to see powers go straight to Westminster instead of going straight to Holyrood ?
Why should they be worried as hell? If you believe that Edinburgh is better placed to decide than London, then surely you must believe that London is better than Brussels?
Erm let me remind you ok a promise from the Better Together camp from 2014. They were telling people vote NO and the EU will be safe in the UK now we all know that was utter bullshit.
The EU is no longer safe in the UK as promised and now we are all seeing the Tory power grab that Scotland are not to get any powers when the UK leaves the EU so the Agriculture powers are going to Westminster instead of Holyrood when they should be devolved to Scotland. Like i said remember the 2014 promise that the EU would be safe in the UK bullshit!!!
We will leave the issue of if they should or shouldn't be devolved powers or not for the moment, let's just go back to your original point that they should be "worried as hell" why should they?
[btw The EU isn't inside the UK]
P.S
Go onto You Tube and type this in ''Journey to Yes #14 Farming''
Watch that and then you will get why Farmers are worried and why they were No voters and now will vote YES in a new independence referendum.
Infact watch all of the Journey to Yes videos and you will see No voters have changed their minds and now will back independence. Brexit has fucked the UK and everyone can see how bad it will be and Scotland will have a way out.
Sorry, but we don't have a federal system in the UK, so all powers rest with Parliament (the proper one based in London). Therefore it is obvious that there would be no automatic, constitutional reason for farming and fishing to be devolved.
I agree there are good reasons why they should be devolved, and I asked this question of Leavers before and after the referendum. I said that issues like this could easily lead to resentment and the break up of the UK. But people said I was scare mongering.
What the fuck ? You said ''the proper one'' Are you honestly saying the Scottish parliament is not a proper parliament ? So its just made up shit ? There is a good reason there why people want to the UK to break up by claiming that Westminster is the proper parliment somehow how claiming Holyrood is just made up shite. Well Holyrood just should that proper Parliament in Westminster how things is done Scotland's GDP is outperforming the the rest of the UK by miles and you could say thanks to Scotland the UK is not in recession. Well done to the Scottish government there is an SNP good story
So you think farming and fishing should go down to Westminster for them to decide ? Some equal partnership this UK union is eh lol
Again needs point out the UK government has already said Scotland wont get any powers. "
Yes, the proper one. The Scottish Parliament was created by an act of Parliament (Westminster) and could therefore be disbanded by an act of Parliament. The Scottish Parliament couldn't even disband itself. Our uncodiefied constitution works in that way, Parliament is supreme.
Like I said, we dont have a federal system. A federal system works by stating that the federal government has powers X, Y, Z and the states (for examples England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland) have control over everything else, such as fishing and farming you want to much. But we dont have that, so Scotland has the powers granted by Westminster, and nothing else.
If Scotland's GDP is doing so well, you wouldn't mind giving the rest of the UK back some money under the Barnett formula then, right? You talk about an equal union, apart from when it comes to funding right? Then all parts of the union are equal, but some are more equal than others. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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What would you tell farmers and fisherman that now be worrying like hell to see powers go straight to Westminster instead of going straight to Holyrood ?
Why should they be worried as hell? If you believe that Edinburgh is better placed to decide than London, then surely you must believe that London is better than Brussels?
Erm let me remind you ok a promise from the Better Together camp from 2014. They were telling people vote NO and the EU will be safe in the UK now we all know that was utter bullshit.
The EU is no longer safe in the UK as promised and now we are all seeing the Tory power grab that Scotland are not to get any powers when the UK leaves the EU so the Agriculture powers are going to Westminster instead of Holyrood when they should be devolved to Scotland. Like i said remember the 2014 promise that the EU would be safe in the UK bullshit!!!
We will leave the issue of if they should or shouldn't be devolved powers or not for the moment, let's just go back to your original point that they should be "worried as hell" why should they?
[btw The EU isn't inside the UK]
P.S
Go onto You Tube and type this in ''Journey to Yes #14 Farming''
Watch that and then you will get why Farmers are worried and why they were No voters and now will vote YES in a new independence referendum.
Infact watch all of the Journey to Yes videos and you will see No voters have changed their minds and now will back independence. Brexit has fucked the UK and everyone can see how bad it will be and Scotland will have a way out.
Sorry, but we don't have a federal system in the UK, so all powers rest with Parliament (the proper one based in London). Therefore it is obvious that there would be no automatic, constitutional reason for farming and fishing to be devolved.
I agree there are good reasons why they should be devolved, and I asked this question of Leavers before and after the referendum. I said that issues like this could easily lead to resentment and the break up of the UK. But people said I was scare mongering.
What the fuck ? You said ''the proper one'' Are you honestly saying the Scottish parliament is not a proper parliament ? So its just made up shit ? There is a good reason there why people want to the UK to break up by claiming that Westminster is the proper parliment somehow how claiming Holyrood is just made up shite. Well Holyrood just should that proper Parliament in Westminster how things is done Scotland's GDP is outperforming the the rest of the UK by miles and you could say thanks to Scotland the UK is not in recession. Well done to the Scottish government there is an SNP good story
So you think farming and fishing should go down to Westminster for them to decide ? Some equal partnership this UK union is eh lol
Again needs point out the UK government has already said Scotland wont get any powers.
Yes, the proper one. The Scottish Parliament was created by an act of Parliament (Westminster) and could therefore be disbanded by an act of Parliament. The Scottish Parliament couldn't even disband itself. Our uncodiefied constitution works in that way, Parliament is supreme.
Like I said, we dont have a federal system. A federal system works by stating that the federal government has powers X, Y, Z and the states (for examples England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland) have control over everything else, such as fishing and farming you want to much. But we dont have that, so Scotland has the powers granted by Westminster, and nothing else.
If Scotland's GDP is doing so well, you wouldn't mind giving the rest of the UK back some money under the Barnett formula then, right? You talk about an equal union, apart from when it comes to funding right? Then all parts of the union are equal, but some are more equal than others. "
Thank you for that just proved my case why Scotland needs to break away from the UK
So what you are saying is the Scotland Act is alot of shite.
Who fault is that ? Again here is a reminder back in 2014 Home Rule was promised to Scotland if we voted NO so where is Home Rule for Scotland ?
If ? No no how about fact Scotland's GDP is out performing the rest of the UK by miles
Lol Ah would you be trying to say the Scottish people are subidy junkies ? Scottish people pay tax too you know.
Also how about this eh any money raised in Scotland should stay in Scotland do you agree with that ?
Instead what does happen is the money that is raised in Scotland goes down to Westminster for them to refund Scotland with some of that money back thats what happens. |
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over a year ago
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Instead what does happen is the money that is raised in Scotland goes down to Westminster for them to refund Scotland with some of that money back thats what happens. "
So you're a net contributor to the UK then? How much do you send to Westminster every year? And how much do you get back? |
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Just want to say how impressed I was with sassy sirens contributions to the polemic with Mr kinky. She put it much better than I ever could, she nailed the SNP for what they are, opportunists. Now that Corbyn has proved all the doubters wrong we might now be able to take on the Tories and the SNP and create a mote judt society for the whole of the United Kingdom. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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Instead what does happen is the money that is raised in Scotland goes down to Westminster for them to refund Scotland with some of that money back thats what happens.
So you're a net contributor to the UK then? How much do you send to Westminster every year? And how much do you get back?"
They are all for money in Scotland staying in scotland, but ask them if in an independent Scotland the money from Aberdeenshire should stay in Aberdeenshire and they will have a complete melt down and not even be able to comprehend the question! |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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OP farming and fishing policy is not currently decided by Edinburgh, but you obviously believe deeply that it should be. Can we therefore assume that an independent Scotland would value these powers over being members of the EU? After all you believe that Scotland should decide on these matters, not the UK or EU, right? |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Just want to say how impressed I was with sassy sirens contributions to the polemic with Mr kinky. She put it much better than I ever could, she nailed the SNP for what they are, opportunists. Now that Corbyn has proved all the doubters wrong we might now be able to take on the Tories and the SNP and create a mote judt society for the whole of the United Kingdom."
I will point this out again Labour activsts in Scotland have said the Scottish Labour campagin failed and they let the Tories have gains in Scotland all because the Scottish Labour branch leader Kezia Dugdale spent all her time talking about independence and attacking the SNP non stop and even telling people to go vote Tory in the Highlands and borders
As for Corbyn he pretty much told everyone he is willing to help the Tories get their hard brexit by leaving the single market not a vote winner in Scotland.
The Scottish government thats the SNP btw are showing the rest of the UK how its done. the Scottish GDP is outperforming the rest of the UK and thats with money not being devolved just think what can be done with full control.
See as long as Kezia is the branch office leader of the Scottish Labour branch Labour have fuck all chance in Scotland she is a Blairite/ Red Tory |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Just want to say how impressed I was with sassy sirens contributions to the polemic with Mr kinky. She put it much better than I ever could, she nailed the SNP for what they are, opportunists. Now that Corbyn has proved all the doubters wrong we might now be able to take on the Tories and the SNP and create a mote judt society for the whole of the United Kingdom.
I will point this out again Labour activsts in Scotland have said the Scottish Labour campagin failed and they let the Tories have gains in Scotland all because the Scottish Labour branch leader Kezia Dugdale spent all her time talking about independence and attacking the SNP non stop and even telling people to go vote Tory in the Highlands and borders
As for Corbyn he pretty much told everyone he is willing to help the Tories get their hard brexit by leaving the single market not a vote winner in Scotland.
The Scottish government thats the SNP btw are showing the rest of the UK how its done. the Scottish GDP is outperforming the rest of the UK and thats with money not being devolved just think what can be done with full control.
See as long as Kezia is the branch office leader of the Scottish Labour branch Labour have fuck all chance in Scotland she is a Blairite/ Red Tory"
I love it!
You are saying the SNP didn't get in because anyone wanted them or their policies, but because the other parties ran shit campaigns!!!!!
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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Instead what does happen is the money that is raised in Scotland goes down to Westminster for them to refund Scotland with some of that money back thats what happens.
So you're a net contributor to the UK then? How much do you send to Westminster every year? And how much do you get back?"
Are you saying money raised in Scotland doesnt go down to Westminster for them to give Scotland some of that money back ?
Surely you would agree the way to solve the problem is any money raised in Scotland stays in Scotland ? Why should any of the money that is raised in Scotland go down to Westminster for them to refund Scotland back with some of that money ?
I would need to look up in total how much gets send and what Scotland gets back but fact is it does happen |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Just want to say how impressed I was with sassy sirens contributions to the polemic with Mr kinky. She put it much better than I ever could, she nailed the SNP for what they are, opportunists. Now that Corbyn has proved all the doubters wrong we might now be able to take on the Tories and the SNP and create a mote judt society for the whole of the United Kingdom.
I will point this out again Labour activsts in Scotland have said the Scottish Labour campagin failed and they let the Tories have gains in Scotland all because the Scottish Labour branch leader Kezia Dugdale spent all her time talking about independence and attacking the SNP non stop and even telling people to go vote Tory in the Highlands and borders
As for Corbyn he pretty much told everyone he is willing to help the Tories get their hard brexit by leaving the single market not a vote winner in Scotland.
The Scottish government thats the SNP btw are showing the rest of the UK how its done. the Scottish GDP is outperforming the rest of the UK and thats with money not being devolved just think what can be done with full control.
See as long as Kezia is the branch office leader of the Scottish Labour branch Labour have fuck all chance in Scotland she is a Blairite/ Red Tory
I love it!
You are saying the SNP didn't get in because anyone wanted them or their policies, but because the other parties ran shit campaigns!!!!!
That's fucking hilarious! "
Again read what i point LABOUR ACTIVISTS said am only telling you what they have said
The SNP were elected in 2015 , 2016 and 2017 because people voted for them and agreed with their policies and the people of Scotland gave the SNP a mandate infact a triple lock mandate.
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"OP farming and fishing policy is not currently decided by Edinburgh, but you obviously believe deeply that it should be. Can we therefore assume that an independent Scotland would value these powers over being members of the EU? After all you believe that Scotland should decide on these matters, not the UK or EU, right? "
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"OP farming and fishing policy is not currently decided by Edinburgh, but you obviously believe deeply that it should be. Can we therefore assume that an independent Scotland would value these powers over being members of the EU? After all you believe that Scotland should decide on these matters, not the UK or EU, right?
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Ah you so do you agree with me now i said it was Labour activsts that said why Scottish Labour lost and do you agree with me that SNP won the 2015 , 2016 and 2017 elections because people voted for them and those same people gave the SNP a triple lock mandate?
Yes i would prefer to see them devolved to Scotland.
The problem right now is Scotland is being lied too yet again by the Tories Mundell told everyone Scotland would have powers coming to Scotland post brexit now we are seeing Scotland wont get any powers post brexit is that acceptable to lie like that ?
Also same Mundell that told Scotland that if a deal with the DUP to give N.Ireland 1 billion would mean Scotland would get extra money then again we find out that was a lie and Scotland will not get extra money is that acceptable ? Remember Scotland didnt vote Tory 13 out of 59 seats is not the majority but people seem happy for the Tories to lie and shaft Scotland is that acceptable in this equal union ? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"OP farming and fishing policy is not currently decided by Edinburgh, but you obviously believe deeply that it should be. Can we therefore assume that an independent Scotland would value these powers over being members of the EU? After all you believe that Scotland should decide on these matters, not the UK or EU, right? "
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"OP farming and fishing policy is not currently decided by Edinburgh, but you obviously believe deeply that it should be. Can we therefore assume that an independent Scotland would value these powers over being members of the EU? After all you believe that Scotland should decide on these matters, not the UK or EU, right?
How about answering this question OP?"
I did i said i prefered that the were devolved. I cant answer what the Scottish government will discuss if a yes vote came in |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"OP farming and fishing policy is not currently decided by Edinburgh, but you obviously believe deeply that it should be. Can we therefore assume that an independent Scotland would value these powers over being members of the EU? After all you believe that Scotland should decide on these matters, not the UK or EU, right?
How about answering this question OP?
I did i said i prefered that the were devolved. I cant answer what the Scottish government will discuss if a yes vote came in "
So you don't want to be a member of the EU then? |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"OP farming and fishing policy is not currently decided by Edinburgh, but you obviously believe deeply that it should be. Can we therefore assume that an independent Scotland would value these powers over being members of the EU? After all you believe that Scotland should decide on these matters, not the UK or EU, right?
How about answering this question OP?
I did i said i prefered that the were devolved. I cant answer what the Scottish government will discuss if a yes vote came in
So you don't want to be a member of the EU then? "
Who said that ? Yes i want Scotland to be a member of the EU where an independent Scotland would have far more say than they do now under the UK union
An independent Scotland would have a veto where as it stands we dont we have all found out the Scotland Act is a piece of shite and the UK government treats Scotland like shite where is this family of nations eh ? We all seen the UK government pretty much say the Scottish government who were elected by the people of Scotland to sit down and shut up while the brexit talks go on but we all know nothing and i mean nothing is stopping the UK government from bring in the devolved nations governments into those talks they could actually help as we all saw the Tories have fuck all clue on what they are doing its hard brexit without a care in the world for what damage it will do and Labour are just as bad going along with the hard brexit.
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By *LCCCouple
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"OP farming and fishing policy is not currently decided by Edinburgh, but you obviously believe deeply that it should be. Can we therefore assume that an independent Scotland would value these powers over being members of the EU? After all you believe that Scotland should decide on these matters, not the UK or EU, right?
How about answering this question OP?
I did i said i prefered that the were devolved. I cant answer what the Scottish government will discuss if a yes vote came in
So you don't want to be a member of the EU then?
Who said that ? Yes i want Scotland to be a member of the EU where an independent Scotland would have far more say than they do now under the UK union
An independent Scotland would have a veto where as it stands we dont we have all found out the Scotland Act is a piece of shite and the UK government treats Scotland like shite where is this family of nations eh ? We all seen the UK government pretty much say the Scottish government who were elected by the people of Scotland to sit down and shut up while the brexit talks go on but we all know nothing and i mean nothing is stopping the UK government from bring in the devolved nations governments into those talks they could actually help as we all saw the Tories have fuck all clue on what they are doing its hard brexit without a care in the world for what damage it will do and Labour are just as bad going along with the hard brexit.
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"OP farming and fishing policy is not currently decided by Edinburgh, but you obviously believe deeply that it should be. Can we therefore assume that an independent Scotland would value these powers over being members of the EU? After all you believe that Scotland should decide on these matters, not the UK or EU, right?
How about answering this question OP?
I did i said i prefered that the were devolved. I cant answer what the Scottish government will discuss if a yes vote came in
So you don't want to be a member of the EU then?
Who said that ? Yes i want Scotland to be a member of the EU where an independent Scotland would have far more say than they do now under the UK union
An independent Scotland would have a veto where as it stands we dont we have all found out the Scotland Act is a piece of shite and the UK government treats Scotland like shite where is this family of nations eh ? We all seen the UK government pretty much say the Scottish government who were elected by the people of Scotland to sit down and shut up while the brexit talks go on but we all know nothing and i mean nothing is stopping the UK government from bring in the devolved nations governments into those talks they could actually help as we all saw the Tories have fuck all clue on what they are doing its hard brexit without a care in the world for what damage it will do and Labour are just as bad going along with the hard brexit.
Oh, so you want Scottish farming and fishing policies set in Brussels then, not Edinburgh? I thought you said you wanted them decided in Scotland? "
Where the hell did you see me say such a thing ?
I said yes i want to see an independent Scotland in the EU
I also said yes i would want to see them devolved to Scotland
You asked ''Can we therefore assume that an independent Scotland would value these powers over being members of the EU? '' and i said you will have to go ask the Scottish government that when a yes vote came in i cant answer for them.
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"OP farming and fishing policy is not currently decided by Edinburgh, but you obviously believe deeply that it should be. Can we therefore assume that an independent Scotland would value these powers over being members of the EU? After all you believe that Scotland should decide on these matters, not the UK or EU, right?
How about answering this question OP?
I did i said i prefered that the were devolved. I cant answer what the Scottish government will discuss if a yes vote came in
So you don't want to be a member of the EU then?
Who said that ? Yes i want Scotland to be a member of the EU where an independent Scotland would have far more say than they do now under the UK union
An independent Scotland would have a veto where as it stands we dont we have all found out the Scotland Act is a piece of shite and the UK government treats Scotland like shite where is this family of nations eh ? We all seen the UK government pretty much say the Scottish government who were elected by the people of Scotland to sit down and shut up while the brexit talks go on but we all know nothing and i mean nothing is stopping the UK government from bring in the devolved nations governments into those talks they could actually help as we all saw the Tories have fuck all clue on what they are doing its hard brexit without a care in the world for what damage it will do and Labour are just as bad going along with the hard brexit.
Oh, so you want Scottish farming and fishing policies set in Brussels then, not Edinburgh? I thought you said you wanted them decided in Scotland?
Where the hell did you see me say such a thing ?
I said yes i want to see an independent Scotland in the EU
I also said yes i would want to see them devolved to Scotland
You asked ''Can we therefore assume that an independent Scotland would value these powers over being members of the EU? '' and i said you will have to go ask the Scottish government that when a yes vote came in i cant answer for them.
Again your putting words in my mouth that i did not say. "
You can't have them devolved to an independent Scotland and Scotland be in the EU. You would have to decide.
I think your position can be summed up quite nicely as you don't give a shit who is in charge of Scotland's farming and fishing policy, as long as it's not Westminster. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"OP farming and fishing policy is not currently decided by Edinburgh, but you obviously believe deeply that it should be. Can we therefore assume that an independent Scotland would value these powers over being members of the EU? After all you believe that Scotland should decide on these matters, not the UK or EU, right?
How about answering this question OP?
I did i said i prefered that the were devolved. I cant answer what the Scottish government will discuss if a yes vote came in
So you don't want to be a member of the EU then?
Who said that ? Yes i want Scotland to be a member of the EU where an independent Scotland would have far more say than they do now under the UK union
An independent Scotland would have a veto where as it stands we dont we have all found out the Scotland Act is a piece of shite and the UK government treats Scotland like shite where is this family of nations eh ? We all seen the UK government pretty much say the Scottish government who were elected by the people of Scotland to sit down and shut up while the brexit talks go on but we all know nothing and i mean nothing is stopping the UK government from bring in the devolved nations governments into those talks they could actually help as we all saw the Tories have fuck all clue on what they are doing its hard brexit without a care in the world for what damage it will do and Labour are just as bad going along with the hard brexit.
Oh, so you want Scottish farming and fishing policies set in Brussels then, not Edinburgh? I thought you said you wanted them decided in Scotland?
Where the hell did you see me say such a thing ?
I said yes i want to see an independent Scotland in the EU
I also said yes i would want to see them devolved to Scotland
You asked ''Can we therefore assume that an independent Scotland would value these powers over being members of the EU? '' and i said you will have to go ask the Scottish government that when a yes vote came in i cant answer for them.
Again your putting words in my mouth that i did not say.
You can't have them devolved to an independent Scotland and Scotland be in the EU. You would have to decide.
I think your position can be summed up quite nicely as you don't give a shit who is in charge of Scotland's farming and fishing policy, as long as it's not Westminster. "
So are you honestly saying 27 independent countries that are in the EU right now have to give up everything and have fuck all devolved for their own government to decide wow just wow
You got one thing correct though do i fuck wanna see Westminster with any power over Scotland as we the Scottish people told the Tories to get to fuck yes they have 13 mps out of 59 but if you do the math that is not the majority so they were rejected.
The wee ginger dug said it best why people in Scotland want independence
''Right now Scotland has a government in Westminster which we didn’t vote for, which is being propped up by a party that Scotland can’t vote for (DUP), and which is implementing a Brexit which Scotland voted against. A study published this week showed that that Brexit is going to affect Scotland worse than most parts of the UK, but we’re getting Brexit anyway''
Where is this family of nations ? All i see is pure UK government dictatorship over countries that told the Tories get to fuck! |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"OP farming and fishing policy is not currently decided by Edinburgh, but you obviously believe deeply that it should be. Can we therefore assume that an independent Scotland would value these powers over being members of the EU? After all you believe that Scotland should decide on these matters, not the UK or EU, right?
How about answering this question OP?
I did i said i prefered that the were devolved. I cant answer what the Scottish government will discuss if a yes vote came in
So you don't want to be a member of the EU then?
Who said that ? Yes i want Scotland to be a member of the EU where an independent Scotland would have far more say than they do now under the UK union
An independent Scotland would have a veto where as it stands we dont we have all found out the Scotland Act is a piece of shite and the UK government treats Scotland like shite where is this family of nations eh ? We all seen the UK government pretty much say the Scottish government who were elected by the people of Scotland to sit down and shut up while the brexit talks go on but we all know nothing and i mean nothing is stopping the UK government from bring in the devolved nations governments into those talks they could actually help as we all saw the Tories have fuck all clue on what they are doing its hard brexit without a care in the world for what damage it will do and Labour are just as bad going along with the hard brexit.
Oh, so you want Scottish farming and fishing policies set in Brussels then, not Edinburgh? I thought you said you wanted them decided in Scotland?
Where the hell did you see me say such a thing ?
I said yes i want to see an independent Scotland in the EU
I also said yes i would want to see them devolved to Scotland
You asked ''Can we therefore assume that an independent Scotland would value these powers over being members of the EU? '' and i said you will have to go ask the Scottish government that when a yes vote came in i cant answer for them.
Again your putting words in my mouth that i did not say.
You can't have them devolved to an independent Scotland and Scotland be in the EU. You would have to decide.
I think your position can be summed up quite nicely as you don't give a shit who is in charge of Scotland's farming and fishing policy, as long as it's not Westminster.
So are you honestly saying 27 independent countries that are in the EU right now have to give up everything and have fuck all devolved for their own government to decide wow just wow
You got one thing correct though do i fuck wanna see Westminster with any power over Scotland as we the Scottish people told the Tories to get to fuck yes they have 13 mps out of 59 but if you do the math that is not the majority so they were rejected.
The wee ginger dug said it best why people in Scotland want independence
''Right now Scotland has a government in Westminster which we didn’t vote for, which is being propped up by a party that Scotland can’t vote for (DUP), and which is implementing a Brexit which Scotland voted against. A study published this week showed that that Brexit is going to affect Scotland worse than most parts of the UK, but we’re getting Brexit anyway''
Where is this family of nations ? All i see is pure UK government dictatorship over countries that told the Tories get to fuck!"
Sorry, but your grasp of politics is absolutely appalling. Are you really unaware that EU member states share a COMMON agricultural policy and a COMMON fisheries policy?
Your positions have changed on ever post on this thread, apart from the questions you dont like, which you then say you are unable to comprehend. I seriously hope that Scotland has better political minds than you if they ever hope to achieve independence and make a success of it. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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Also here is another way to look it Scotland has now twice voted to remain part of the EU in 2014 and in 2016
Yet Scotland has been told in no uncertain terms that it has no right to be consulted or involved in the decision making. Family of nations equal partnership in this UK union dont make me fucking laugh lol
Also there is people in Scotland that were no voters that will now vote for YES as you will see from the ''Journey to YES'' on You Tube |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"Just want to say how impressed I was with sassy sirens contributions to the polemic with Mr kinky. She put it much better than I ever could, she nailed the SNP for what they are, opportunists. Now that Corbyn has proved all the doubters wrong we might now be able to take on the Tories and the SNP and create a mote judt society for the whole of the United Kingdom.
I will point this out again Labour activsts in Scotland have said the Scottish Labour campagin failed and they let the Tories have gains in Scotland all because the Scottish Labour branch leader Kezia Dugdale spent all her time talking about independence and attacking the SNP non stop and even telling people to go vote Tory in the Highlands and borders
As for Corbyn he pretty much told everyone he is willing to help the Tories get their hard brexit by leaving the single market not a vote winner in Scotland.
The Scottish government thats the SNP btw are showing the rest of the UK how its done. the Scottish GDP is outperforming the rest of the UK and thats with money not being devolved just think what can be done with full control.
See as long as Kezia is the branch office leader of the Scottish Labour branch Labour have fuck all chance in Scotland she is a Blairite/ Red Tory"
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Just want to say how impressed I was with sassy sirens contributions to the polemic with Mr kinky. She put it much better than I ever could, she nailed the SNP for what they are, opportunists. Now that Corbyn has proved all the doubters wrong we might now be able to take on the Tories and the SNP and create a mote judt society for the whole of the United Kingdom.
I will point this out again Labour activsts in Scotland have said the Scottish Labour campagin failed and they let the Tories have gains in Scotland all because the Scottish Labour branch leader Kezia Dugdale spent all her time talking about independence and attacking the SNP non stop and even telling people to go vote Tory in the Highlands and borders
As for Corbyn he pretty much told everyone he is willing to help the Tories get their hard brexit by leaving the single market not a vote winner in Scotland.
The Scottish government thats the SNP btw are showing the rest of the UK how its done. the Scottish GDP is outperforming the rest of the UK and thats with money not being devolved just think what can be done with full control.
See as long as Kezia is the branch office leader of the Scottish Labour branch Labour have fuck all chance in Scotland she is a Blairite/ Red Tory
How's the SNP parliament doing with education in Scotland?"
SNP parliament ? So now its just all SNP and no others in the Scottish parliament ? lol
Do you mean Scottish government ? Well education in Scotland is doing just fine infact the best in the UK
i think i will list them
1. Scottish NHS best record in the UK
2. Scottish GDP outperforming the UK
3. Scottish education best record in the UK and its free.
4. Banned private companies like ATOS from doing work assessments.
5. Mitigating the Bedroom tax so no one in Scotland has to pay for that nasty policy although we would all rather see it devolved to Scotland to get rid of it.
6 No fracking as there is an moratorium which cant not be challenged and remember Westminster didnt want a UK wide moratorium.
7. The only party actually listening to the Scottish people when we rejected brexit.
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Goebbells would be proud of that list .....you would need to be totally deluded to believe the Bullshit he posts "
It's all rubbish, couldn't answer answer a very very simple question about independence from Scotland, couldn't decide if they want to be part of the EU or not. They couldn't decide where policy would be decided. They couldn't decide why it was so scary that policy would be made in the UK. Etc etc etc. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Goebbells would be proud of that list .....you would need to be totally deluded to believe the Bullshit he posts "
Ok we wil go through them all then
1. Do you think am lying about the Scottish NHS having the best record in the UK ?
2. Do you think am lying about the Scottish GDP being the best in the UK ?
3. Do you think am lying about the Scottish education being the best in the UK ?
4. Do you think am lying about the Companies like ATOS being banned in Scotland from doing assessments ?
5. Do you not think mitigating the bedroom tax is a good thing ? Or would rather not see it devolved to Scotland so it would be scrapped
6. Do you not agree with the moratorium ?
7. Which party do you think is listening to the 62% majority of remain votes in Scotland ?
All i see is you saying its deluded and bullshit so what is bullshit above then ? Am curious to know |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Goebbells would be proud of that list .....you would need to be totally deluded to believe the Bullshit he posts "
ps i know you hate the SNP with a passion so lets move to the UK government can you make a list of things you are proud of what the Tories have done since 2010 ? This should be an interesting list to see.
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"OP, what is May's majority in the house of commons, and how many seats does she have in Scotland?
What do you think of all of the people in Scotland who voted Tory?"
4 or you counting the bribe if you are then 14 and in Holyrood the Scottish Tory branch have 31 which is nowwhere near the majority so they were rejected in Scotland
What do i think about people that voted Tory in Scotland ? I feel sorry for them as can you name one damn thing so far the Scottish Tory branch has done for Scotland since being elected in June ?
I will give you one the Scottish Tory branch voted against the Single Market why have i brought that up you ask well back in 2016 Ruth Davidson stood up in Holyrood and asked what the Scottish government was going to do o retain the Single marker membership. Strange as Ruth is the Tory branch leader in Scotland but her Scottish Tory branch Mps went and voted against the Single market going against the people of Scottish wishes to remain in the EU and Single market. How the fuck is that standing up for Scotland ? So yeah i feel sorry for people that voted Tory in Scotland now they have Tory mps that do not care about them and David Mundell sure showed that by lying twice about Scotland getting extra money due to N.Ireland getting the bribe money which was a lie and then lying saying post brexit Scotland will get a bunch of new powers then we find out nope Scotland wont get any powers post brexit
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"OP, what is May's majority in the house of commons, and how many seats does she have in Scotland?
What do you think of all of the people in Scotland who voted Tory?
4 or you counting the bribe if you are then 14 and in Holyrood the Scottish Tory branch have 31 which is nowwhere near the majority so they were rejected in Scotland
What do i think about people that voted Tory in Scotland ? I feel sorry for them as can you name one damn thing so far the Scottish Tory branch has done for Scotland since being elected in June ?
I will give you one the Scottish Tory branch voted against the Single Market why have i brought that up you ask well back in 2016 Ruth Davidson stood up in Holyrood and asked what the Scottish government was going to do o retain the Single marker membership. Strange as Ruth is the Tory branch leader in Scotland but her Scottish Tory branch Mps went and voted against the Single market going against the people of Scottish wishes to remain in the EU and Single market. How the fuck is that standing up for Scotland ? So yeah i feel sorry for people that voted Tory in Scotland now they have Tory mps that do not care about them and David Mundell sure showed that by lying twice about Scotland getting extra money due to N.Ireland getting the bribe money which was a lie and then lying saying post brexit Scotland will get a bunch of new powers then we find out nope Scotland wont get any powers post brexit
Now is there anything above what i have said a lie ? "
I mean how many MPs in Scotland are Scottish Conservative?
Is anything you've said a lie? Well yes to be honest, the Scottish Conservatives are actually a seperate party to the Conservative party, you have call them a branch which is technically incorrect. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"OP, what is May's majority in the house of commons, and how many seats does she have in Scotland?
What do you think of all of the people in Scotland who voted Tory?
4 or you counting the bribe if you are then 14 and in Holyrood the Scottish Tory branch have 31 which is nowwhere near the majority so they were rejected in Scotland
What do i think about people that voted Tory in Scotland ? I feel sorry for them as can you name one damn thing so far the Scottish Tory branch has done for Scotland since being elected in June ?
I will give you one the Scottish Tory branch voted against the Single Market why have i brought that up you ask well back in 2016 Ruth Davidson stood up in Holyrood and asked what the Scottish government was going to do o retain the Single marker membership. Strange as Ruth is the Tory branch leader in Scotland but her Scottish Tory branch Mps went and voted against the Single market going against the people of Scottish wishes to remain in the EU and Single market. How the fuck is that standing up for Scotland ? So yeah i feel sorry for people that voted Tory in Scotland now they have Tory mps that do not care about them and David Mundell sure showed that by lying twice about Scotland getting extra money due to N.Ireland getting the bribe money which was a lie and then lying saying post brexit Scotland will get a bunch of new powers then we find out nope Scotland wont get any powers post brexit
Now is there anything above what i have said a lie ?
I mean how many MPs in Scotland are Scottish Conservative?
Is anything you've said a lie? Well yes to be honest, the Scottish Conservatives are actually a seperate party to the Conservative party, you have call them a branch which is technically incorrect."
The Scottish Tory branch have 13 mp's out of 59 Scottish seats which if you do the math aint the majority so like i said they were rejected. Can you name anything the 13 mps have done to stand up for Scotland ?
Also yes they are a branch office if you go look up the electoral commission in Scotland you will not find any parties that are registered under the names of Scottish Tories, Scottish Labour or Scottish Lib Dems thats fact so yes they are mere branch offices to the UK parties nothing more
So you agree with me on what i said about Ruth Davidson stood up in Holyrood and asked what the Scottish government was going to do to retain the Single market membership. Not find it strange that the Scottish Tory branch Mps went and voted against the Single market going against the people of Scottish wishes to remain in the EU and Single market. How the is that standing up for Scotland ?
Infact even the Scottish Labour branch mps voted against the single market too and their branch office leader Kezia Dugdale gave her support to the SNP to retain both the EU and single market yet the Scottish Labour branch mps went and voted against the single market so thats Scottish Tory and Scottish Labour branch going against the wishes of the Scottish people
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over a year ago
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"OP, what is May's majority in the house of commons, and how many seats does she have in Scotland?
What do you think of all of the people in Scotland who voted Tory?
4 or you counting the bribe if you are then 14 and in Holyrood the Scottish Tory branch have 31 which is nowwhere near the majority so they were rejected in Scotland
What do i think about people that voted Tory in Scotland ? I feel sorry for them as can you name one damn thing so far the Scottish Tory branch has done for Scotland since being elected in June ?
I will give you one the Scottish Tory branch voted against the Single Market why have i brought that up you ask well back in 2016 Ruth Davidson stood up in Holyrood and asked what the Scottish government was going to do o retain the Single marker membership. Strange as Ruth is the Tory branch leader in Scotland but her Scottish Tory branch Mps went and voted against the Single market going against the people of Scottish wishes to remain in the EU and Single market. How the fuck is that standing up for Scotland ? So yeah i feel sorry for people that voted Tory in Scotland now they have Tory mps that do not care about them and David Mundell sure showed that by lying twice about Scotland getting extra money due to N.Ireland getting the bribe money which was a lie and then lying saying post brexit Scotland will get a bunch of new powers then we find out nope Scotland wont get any powers post brexit
Now is there anything above what i have said a lie ?
I mean how many MPs in Scotland are Scottish Conservative?
Is anything you've said a lie? Well yes to be honest, the Scottish Conservatives are actually a seperate party to the Conservative party, you have call them a branch which is technically incorrect.
The Scottish Tory branch have 13 mp's out of 59 Scottish seats which if you do the math aint the majority so like i said they were rejected. Can you name anything the 13 mps have done to stand up for Scotland ?
Also yes they are a branch office if you go look up the electoral commission in Scotland you will not find any parties that are registered under the names of Scottish Tories, Scottish Labour or Scottish Lib Dems thats fact so yes they are mere branch offices to the UK parties nothing more
So you agree with me on what i said about Ruth Davidson stood up in Holyrood and asked what the Scottish government was going to do to retain the Single market membership. Not find it strange that the Scottish Tory branch Mps went and voted against the Single market going against the people of Scottish wishes to remain in the EU and Single market. How the is that standing up for Scotland ?
Infact even the Scottish Labour branch mps voted against the single market too and their branch office leader Kezia Dugdale gave her support to the SNP to retain both the EU and single market yet the Scottish Labour branch mps went and voted against the single market so thats Scottish Tory and Scottish Labour branch going against the wishes of the Scottish people
Who do you think is standing up for the 62% majority of remain voters in Scotland ? "
So without the 13 MPs in Scotland or DUP support, then May probably wouldn't be MP. I suppose it could therefore be argued that Scotland is propping up the Tories.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Conservatives
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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This is just to kill the myth off that the people that think Scottish Labour , Scottish Tories and Scottish Lib Dems are offical parties in Scotland
Holyrood opened in 1999 and this is interesting the parties with ''Scottish'' infront of their name and offical registered in 1999 are as follows..
Scottish National Party (SNP
Scottish Socialist Party (SSP
No other party with ''Scottish'' infront of its name registered in 1999 when the Scottish parliament was opened
So there we have it Scottish Conservative's are a branch office of the UK Conservative party
And Scottish Labour are a branch office of the UK Labour party
Also what i do find very very weird is back in 2015 Kezia Dudgale and Jeremy Corbyn claimed to sign a document to say that Scottish Labour were autonomous but failed to show the public if it was a legal document.
Also strange if Scottish Labour are so called autonomous and the leader of this so called Scottish Labour party told the Scottish public that she would give her full support the the SNP to retain the EU and single market then why oh why did the newly elected Scottish Labour mp's voted against the single market going with the UK Labour whip and Corbyn. No one find it strange why the Scottish Labour party that claims to be autonomous why their mps voted against the single market and went with the UK Labour whip ?
More and more people are asking these questions and finding out who is really standing up for Scotland and who seems to be working against Scotland to keep the UK union together at all costs to keep the gravy train going while the poor suffer.
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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I love seeing sotries like this as the unionist media and Scottish Labour branch office love talking the Scottish NHS down they should be ashamed of themselves
Accident and emergency departments across Scotland surpassed a key waiting times target in June.
The latest figures show 138,813 people attended A&E during the month, of which 95.5% were seen and either admitted, transferred or discharged within four hours.
Again i will point this out the Scottish NHS has the best record in the UK i really wish people would stop talking the Scottish NHS down as those nurses and doctors do an amazing job get behind them rare than put them down. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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Remember what i was saying about Fishing and Farming that fishermen and farmers will be pissed off oh look...
Micheal Gove tells Danes they'll have continued access to British waters post Brexit. Scotland's fishermen sold out
Wonder if those fishermen will still vote no in a future indpendence referendum.
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