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"with the euro now at 1.08 to the pound. immigration unchanged and the NHS still on its arse. David Davies looks like he could'nt win a game of scrabble let alone negotiate a deal with Brussels. Europe about to take us for millions and the cost of living ever rising would anyone own up to regretting voting brexit" Things have changed quite a bit since your post 5 weeks ago OP, and David Davis negotiating position is looking better now. It's a 2 year exit process though and we are only a few months into negotiations so don't expect too much to be sorted out this early. As for immigration unchanged and the NHS still on its arse, we are still a full member of the EU until March 2019. Once we leave and start doing our own trade deals around the rest of the world this is when the real benefits of Brexit will come to fruition. | |||
"It's a total shit show" I guess you never experienced what it was like in the mid 70's | |||
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"In the long run I still think it will be better for us but know it's not going to be easy or painless..." Then why do it? | |||
"We will get what we wished for but we are not going to like it, the government hoodwinked the people into thinking it was for our good when if fact we face years of recession & misery where only the rich will prosper. " So what exactly do you mean? | |||
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"I don't regret voting to leave,I said it before the vote and I still believe it now,we will suffer as a nation in the short term but benefit in the long run "Can I ask what was the main reason you voted to leave? | |||
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"We will get what we wished for but we are not going to like it, the government hoodwinked the people into thinking it was for our good when if fact we face years of recession & misery where only the rich will prosper. " The Government campaigned to remain, Cameron thought the deal he had got from the EU was good enough and he wanted to stay. | |||
"I think why be tied to eurozone with all the red tape and inoiuse fighting when you can trade with the rest of the world and set up your own trade deals . Eorope wont want to exclude the uk or price us out with tarriffs we are too wealthy . Mercedes , BMW , Audi will never agree and they run Germany "Even if no deal is done with the EU from the 2 year exit negotiations, then we can still leave in March 2019 and trade with the EU on WTO (world trade organisation) rules. WTO is enforced by international law and the EU won't be able to punish the UK (as many in Brussels seem to want) because that would be against WTO rules under international law. Also leaving with no deal and going for WTO rules means we won't have to pay a single penny to the EU for any divorce bill they dream up. | |||
"I cant believe people thought we would waltz out of europe jettison the bad and keep the good. I personally voted to stay in...the unfortubate thing is, it will take 15 - 20 years before we see who was right But the vote is the voye and we need to crack on and make it work" Well said | |||
"It's a total shit show I guess you never experienced what it was like in the mid 70's" You're right, I wasn't even born in the 1970s, but I know we didn't have Brexit in the 1970s. | |||
"I think why be tied to eurozone with all the red tape and inoiuse fighting when you can trade with the rest of the world and set up your own trade deals . Eorope wont want to exclude the uk or price us out with tarriffs we are too wealthy . Mercedes , BMW , Audi will never agree and they run Germany
Even if no deal is done with the EU from the 2 year exit negotiations, then we can still leave in March 2019 and trade with the EU on WTO (world trade organisation) rules. WTO is enforced by international law and the EU won't be able to punish the UK (as many in Brussels seem to want) because that would be against WTO rules under international law. Also leaving with no deal and going for WTO rules means we won't have to pay a single penny to the EU for any divorce bill they dream up. "No one will want to sign an international agreement with us if we rip up our existing ones and don't pay our bills. | |||
"It's a total shit show I guess you never experienced what it was like in the mid 70's You're right, I wasn't even born in the 1970s, but I know we didn't have Brexit in the 1970s. " We didn't have Brexit, but we had inflation at over 20%, strikes all the time, power cuts, to name but a few. | |||
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"I think why be tied to eurozone with all the red tape and inoiuse fighting when you can trade with the rest of the world and set up your own trade deals . Eorope wont want to exclude the uk or price us out with tarriffs we are too wealthy . Mercedes , BMW , Audi will never agree and they run Germany
Even if no deal is done with the EU from the 2 year exit negotiations, then we can still leave in March 2019 and trade with the EU on WTO (world trade organisation) rules. WTO is enforced by international law and the EU won't be able to punish the UK (as many in Brussels seem to want) because that would be against WTO rules under international law. Also leaving with no deal and going for WTO rules means we won't have to pay a single penny to the EU for any divorce bill they dream up.
No one will want to sign an international agreement with us if we rip up our existing ones and don't pay our bills."Wrong. President Donald Trump really couldn't care less if we walk away from the EU without a deal and we don't pay a divorce bill. He'd sign an UK-USA trade deal in a heartbeat. | |||
"I don't regret voting to leave,I said it before the vote and I still believe it now,we will suffer as a nation in the short term but benefit in the long run
Can I ask what was the main reason you voted to leave?"Because I believe the EU to be a sinking ship and I'd rather not go down with it when it sinks.If we're going to sink I'd rather we sank by our own doing instead of being dragged down by the failing concept that is the EU.I have many other reasons for voting leave,but that is one of my main reasons | |||
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"It's a total shit show I guess you never experienced what it was like in the mid 70's You're right, I wasn't even born in the 1970s, but I know we didn't have Brexit in the 1970s. We didn't have Brexit, but we had inflation at over 20%, strikes all the time, power cuts, to name but a few." Yes, we did, we had that in the years before we joined and the years just after we had joined, now we have been in for decades, do we have that now? | |||
"I think why be tied to eurozone with all the red tape and inoiuse fighting when you can trade with the rest of the world and set up your own trade deals . Eorope wont want to exclude the uk or price us out with tarriffs we are too wealthy . Mercedes , BMW , Audi will never agree and they run Germany
Even if no deal is done with the EU from the 2 year exit negotiations, then we can still leave in March 2019 and trade with the EU on WTO (world trade organisation) rules. WTO is enforced by international law and the EU won't be able to punish the UK (as many in Brussels seem to want) because that would be against WTO rules under international law. Also leaving with no deal and going for WTO rules means we won't have to pay a single penny to the EU for any divorce bill they dream up.
No one will want to sign an international agreement with us if we rip up our existing ones and don't pay our bills.
Wrong. President Donald Trump really couldn't care less if we walk away from the EU without a deal and we don't pay a divorce bill. He'd sign an UK-USA trade deal in a heartbeat. "Which is fine if you are willing to consume hormone fed beef, chlorine washed chicken and GMO crops and drive US cars that don't corner and don't fit in British car parking spaces . As a service economy what extra services will the increasingly self orientated US buy from us in return? | |||
"I think why be tied to eurozone with all the red tape and inoiuse fighting when you can trade with the rest of the world and set up your own trade deals . Eorope wont want to exclude the uk or price us out with tarriffs we are too wealthy . Mercedes , BMW , Audi will never agree and they run Germany
Even if no deal is done with the EU from the 2 year exit negotiations, then we can still leave in March 2019 and trade with the EU on WTO (world trade organisation) rules. WTO is enforced by international law and the EU won't be able to punish the UK (as many in Brussels seem to want) because that would be against WTO rules under international law. Also leaving with no deal and going for WTO rules means we won't have to pay a single penny to the EU for any divorce bill they dream up.
No one will want to sign an international agreement with us if we rip up our existing ones and don't pay our bills.
Wrong. President Donald Trump really couldn't care less if we walk away from the EU without a deal and we don't pay a divorce bill. He'd sign an UK-USA trade deal in a heartbeat.
Which is fine if you are willing to consume hormone fed beef, chlorine washed chicken and GMO crops and drive US cars that don't corner and don't fit in British car parking spaces . As a service economy what extra services will the increasingly self orientated US buy from us in return?"But in the EU you've most likely already consumed horse meat labelled as Beef, consumed eggs contaminated with pesticides and drive German cars (VW) that conned everyone over emissions. Maybe look closer to home first before pointing the finger at other countries. | |||
"We will get what we wished for but we are not going to like it, the government hoodwinked the people into thinking it was for our good when if fact we face years of recession & misery where only the rich will prosper. " I thought the government was pro-remain? | |||
"It's a total shit show I guess you never experienced what it was like in the mid 70's You're right, I wasn't even born in the 1970s, but I know we didn't have Brexit in the 1970s. " You're right, we didn't have Brexit in the mid / late 70's, we'd just joined the EEC (EU). | |||
"In the long run I still think it will be better for us but know it's not going to be easy or painless..." Well it's nice to know that you think in the long run it will be better for us but I'd feel a lot more confident about it all if at least one BREXITer could explain how, in the long run it will actually be better. I do totally agree with that it's definitely not going to be easy or painless. Maybe if the Leave campaign had told the truth about how difficult and painful they new it was really going to be the result would have been different. | |||
"I don't regret voting to leave,I said it before the vote and I still believe it now,we will suffer as a nation in the short term but benefit in the long run "Maybe you can tell me what this benefit that we're all going to have to suffer so much for actually is? | |||
"Currencies rise and fall.....I remember when I was trading in Europe late 2008 with an exchange rate of 1.03.....it's just how it was." Would the recession have a impact on that? | |||
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"Currencies rise and fall.....I remember when I was trading in Europe late 2008 with an exchange rate of 1.03.....it's just how it was. Would the recession have a impact on that?" All manner of things impact on currencies...the point is there's bugger all I could do about it so I just got on with it and worked harder and smarter....moaning about it doesn't change anything. | |||
"We will get what we wished for but we are not going to like it, the government hoodwinked the people into thinking it was for our good when if fact we face years of recession & misery where only the rich will prosper. " Where do people get off on thes...."government hoodwinked us" line? The conservatives, labour and lib-dems ALL campaigned to REMAIN. Do not blame the government....blame the PEOPLE. The electorate voted OUT ..... wether or not we agree with it...it's called democracy. We may live to regret the decision but it was a decision of the people not the government. Cameron resigned over the result because the government wanted to stay IN! | |||
"I think why be tied to eurozone with all the red tape and inoiuse fighting when you can trade with the rest of the world and set up your own trade deals . Eorope wont want to exclude the uk or price us out with tarriffs we are too wealthy . Mercedes , BMW , Audi will never agree and they run Germany
Even if no deal is done with the EU from the 2 year exit negotiations, then we can still leave in March 2019 and trade with the EU on WTO (world trade organisation) rules. WTO is enforced by international law and the EU won't be able to punish the UK (as many in Brussels seem to want) because that would be against WTO rules under international law. Also leaving with no deal and going for WTO rules means we won't have to pay a single penny to the EU for any divorce bill they dream up.
No one will want to sign an international agreement with us if we rip up our existing ones and don't pay our bills.
Wrong. President Donald Trump really couldn't care less if we walk away from the EU without a deal and we don't pay a divorce bill. He'd sign an UK-USA trade deal in a heartbeat.
Which is fine if you are willing to consume hormone fed beef, chlorine washed chicken and GMO crops and drive US cars that don't corner and don't fit in British car parking spaces . As a service economy what extra services will the increasingly self orientated US buy from us in return?
But in the EU you've most likely already consumed horse meat labelled as Beef, consumed eggs contaminated with pesticides and drive German cars (VW) that conned everyone over emissions. Maybe look closer to home first before pointing the finger at other countries. "You're comparing illegal activities with what would be legal after we accept lower standards to trade with the US. Two different things. | |||
"We will get what we wished for but we are not going to like it, the government hoodwinked the people into thinking it was for our good when if fact we face years of recession & misery where only the rich will prosper. Where do people get off on thes...."government hoodwinked us" line? The conservatives, labour and lib-dems ALL campaigned to REMAIN. Do not blame the government....blame the PEOPLE. The electorate voted OUT ..... wether or not we agree with it...it's called democracy. We may live to regret the decision but it was a decision of the people not the government. Cameron resigned over the result because the government wanted to stay IN!" I can only blame the far right in the conservative party and of course UKIP. If it wasnt for them there would be no referendum.The masses are easily lead like sheep off a cliff.If you can lead a nation into a fake war you can lead them out of Europe.  | |||
" No one will want to sign an international agreement with us if we rip up our existing ones and don't pay our bills." The EU Commissions own lawyers have told them that there is no legal basis to make such a demand as they are making. They realise they will have a big black hole in their finances and are trying to extract a punitive settlement in an attempt to dissuade other member states from leaving. | |||
"It's a total shit show I guess you never experienced what it was like in the mid 70's You're right, I wasn't even born in the 1970s, but I know we didn't have Brexit in the 1970s. We didn't have Brexit, but we had inflation at over 20%, strikes all the time, power cuts, to name but a few. Yes, we did, we had that in the years before we joined and the years just after we had joined, now we have been in for decades, do we have that now?" We certainly don't have the EU to thank for that, that's for sure. | |||
" No one will want to sign an international agreement with us if we rip up our existing ones and don't pay our bills. The EU Commissions own lawyers have told them that there is no legal basis to make such a demand as they are making. They realise they will have a big black hole in their finances and are trying to extract a punitive settlement in an attempt to dissuade other member states from leaving. " Its a negotiation they can ask that Therese May dress up like a christmas tree for Easter if they want. The idea that theres no legal basis for asking for something in a negotiation is stupid. | |||
"with the euro now at 1.08 to the pound. immigration unchanged and the NHS still on its arse. David Davies looks like he could'nt win a game of scrabble let alone negotiate a deal with Brussels. Europe about to take us for millions and the cost of living ever rising would anyone own up to regretting voting brexit Things have changed quite a bit since your post 5 weeks ago OP, and David Davis negotiating position is looking better now. It's a 2 year exit process though and we are only a few months into negotiations so don't expect too much to be sorted out this early. As for immigration unchanged and the NHS still on its arse, we are still a full member of the EU until March 2019. Once we leave and start doing our own trade deals around the rest of the world this is when the real benefits of Brexit will come to fruition. " But I thought the EU negotiating team was supposed to have crumbled under the glowering British Bulldogs of the Tory party? Werent the new Churchill and Thatcher (May and Davis) supposed to be readying themselves for a lap of victory about now? There are 14 months left in the negotiation period and 2 months before we get to the October marker where the 2nd stage is meant to start. The Tories need to get their act together fast. It took them 14 months after Brexit to put out posution papers after all! | |||
"It's a total shit show I guess you never experienced what it was like in the mid 70's You're right, I wasn't even born in the 1970s, but I know we didn't have Brexit in the 1970s. We didn't have Brexit, but we had inflation at over 20%, strikes all the time, power cuts, to name but a few. Yes, we did, we had that in the years before we joined and the years just after we had joined, now we have been in for decades, do we have that now? We certainly don't have the EU to thank for that, that's for sure." How are you sure? What evidence can you point to that supports your hypothesis? | |||
"I think why be tied to eurozone with all the red tape and inoiuse fighting when you can trade with the rest of the world and set up your own trade deals . Eorope wont want to exclude the uk or price us out with tarriffs we are too wealthy . Mercedes , BMW , Audi will never agree and they run Germany
Even if no deal is done with the EU from the 2 year exit negotiations, then we can still leave in March 2019 and trade with the EU on WTO (world trade organisation) rules. WTO is enforced by international law and the EU won't be able to punish the UK (as many in Brussels seem to want) because that would be against WTO rules under international law. Also leaving with no deal and going for WTO rules means we won't have to pay a single penny to the EU for any divorce bill they dream up.
No one will want to sign an international agreement with us if we rip up our existing ones and don't pay our bills.
Wrong. President Donald Trump really couldn't care less if we walk away from the EU without a deal and we don't pay a divorce bill. He'd sign an UK-USA trade deal in a heartbeat.
Which is fine if you are willing to consume hormone fed beef, chlorine washed chicken and GMO crops and drive US cars that don't corner and don't fit in British car parking spaces . As a service economy what extra services will the increasingly self orientated US buy from us in return?
But in the EU you've most likely already consumed horse meat labelled as Beef, consumed eggs contaminated with pesticides and drive German cars (VW) that conned everyone over emissions. Maybe look closer to home first before pointing the finger at other countries. "I'm not a remoaner and despite beingJust pointing out a trade deal with the US is not greatly exciting and less beneficial than continued free trade with the EU. Anyone (including David Davis) who thinks we can continue to have free trade with the EU post Brexit is living in cloud cookooland The EU can not and will not allow the UK to act as a shipping hub to circumvent the EUs trade boarders. It would be great for U.K. Ports with goods arriving from counties outside the EU with low import tariffs into the U.K. for us to then export freely into Europe. | |||
"Divorce Bill" is a misnomer. The point is that the UK, as part of the EU, signed up for long term projects that require financing. Leaving the EU does not - in any way - remove the obligation to honour the signature.
You can jump up and down as much as you like, hope that Donald "America First" Trump is going to give you a deal that will save the day, etc... but at the end of the day, the govt knows it has to honour past commitments. | |||
"I don't regret voting to leave,I said it before the vote and I still believe it now,we will suffer as a nation in the short term but benefit in the long run
Maybe you can tell me what this benefit that we're all going to have to suffer so much for actually is?"A few of the benefits I hope for is that we will be free to make our own trade deals,our own laws,regulations and standards,our own policies and our own arrangements with others outside the failing EU.I believe we won't be dragged down with the sinking ship that is the EU when it finally collapses.We won't need to continually pay into a corrupt and poorly-run organisation.We will have the opportunity to run our country however we like without interference from Europe. There's a brief selection of the many benefits I hope we can achieve now we are leaving the EU.Whether any are actually acheivable remains to be seen,but there is precisely zero chance of anything changing if we continued our membership, the status quo with Europe was shit and was showing no signs of changing,at least now the opportunity for change is present whereas continued membership meant more of the same.I appreciate others think differently,and I'm not saying anyone else is wrong for doing so,but that's a brief snapshot of what I think | |||
"I don't regret voting to leave,I said it before the vote and I still believe it now,we will suffer as a nation in the short term but benefit in the long run
Maybe you can tell me what this benefit that we're all going to have to suffer so much for actually is?
A few of the benefits I hope for is that we will be free to make our own trade deals,our own laws,regulations and standards,our own policies and our own arrangements with others outside the failing EU.I believe we won't be dragged down with the sinking ship that is the EU when it finally collapses.We won't need to continually pay into a corrupt and poorly-run organisation.We will have the opportunity to run our country however we like without interference from Europe.
There's a brief selection of the many benefits I hope we can achieve now we are leaving the EU.Whether any are actually acheivable remains to be seen,but there is precisely zero chance of anything changing if we continued our membership, the status quo with Europe was shit and was showing no signs of changing,at least now the opportunity for change is present whereas continued membership meant more of the same.I appreciate others think differently,and I'm not saying anyone else is wrong for doing so,but that's a brief snapshot of what I think"That is an astonishing list of falsehoods - and the thing is - you probably believe them all? Incredible... we will be free to make our own trade deals... Any trade deal negotiated with the UK as a stand alone economy will by its very nature be a poorer one that we have as a consequence of being in the EU. Trade deals are based on the relative sizes of the economies in question and the Uk's is much smaller than the EU's we will be free to make our own our own laws... Like what? What single UK law is objectionable or wrong and what laws would be better? we will be free to make our own regulations and standards... We can do that now and always have been. The problem is that if you want to export to another country (like the EU) you have to adhere to their standards othewise you wont be able to sell to them. No point in selling English 3 pin plugs in Spain is there? we will be free to make our own our own policies and our own arrangements with others outside the failing EU Ignoring the evident bias - you are aware that the £GBP is falling relentlessly against the Euro. Do you know why? It is because the money markets have more faith in the "failing" EU than they do in the UK. What does that mean they think of the UK? I believe we won't be dragged down with the sinking ship that is the EU when it finally collapses. See above. The markets believe that the EU has a far better outlook than than the UK. Just because you read stuff in right wing newspapers, does not make it true. We won't need to continually pay into a corrupt and poorly-run organisation. If you were van driver, would you think it worth paying £500/month to lease your van when it is earning your you £4,000 a month from deliveries, or is the £500 just a waste of money? For poorly run, please note that the EU employs less civil servants than a typical UK County and has no unelected upper Parliament and no unelected Monarchy. The UK is the very essence of something that is poorly run. We will have the opportunity to run our country however we like without interference from Europe. YOU (and I) will have no opportunity whatsoever to run this country any way that you/I want. That opportunity will rest with the very, very wealthy, the media owners and our own inept Politicians. NONE of what you have said above will appear as any benefit at all. Indeed what is most likely to happen is that the people who hope that things above might change in their favour will be the ones most disadvantaged by Brexit. Anyone who really wanted to see change in this country should have voted in favour of the AV referendum. It is our own political system that needs changing, not our place in Europe. | |||
"That sounds like it's straight from the Daily Express
"Divorce Bill" is a misnomer. The point is that the UK, as part of the EU, signed up for long term projects that require financing. Leaving the EU does not - in any way - remove the obligation to honour the signature.
You can jump up and down as much as you like, hope that Donald "America First" Trump is going to give you a deal that will save the day, etc... but at the end of the day, the govt knows it has to honour past commitments. "We really don't have to honour any EU commitments in the event of no deal. A House of Lords select committee concluded that the UK is not legally obliged to pay the EU a single penny if we leave with no deal. To quote Boris Johnson "the EU can go whistle". | |||
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"We will get what we wished for but we are not going to like it, the government hoodwinked the people into thinking it was for our good when if fact we face years of recession & misery where only the rich will prosper. Where do people get off on thes...."government hoodwinked us" line? The conservatives, labour and lib-dems ALL campaigned to REMAIN. Do not blame the government....blame the PEOPLE. The electorate voted OUT ..... wether or not we agree with it...it's called democracy. We may live to regret the decision but it was a decision of the people not the government. Cameron resigned over the result because the government wanted to stay IN! I can only blame the far right in the conservative party and of course UKIP. If it wasnt for them there would be no referendum.The masses are easily lead like sheep off a cliff.If you can lead a nation into a fake war you can lead them out of Europe. "There was plenty of representation from the left in the leave campaign during the EU referendum. The Labour Leave group had people like John Mills, Kate Hoey, Dennis Skinner and Frank Field campaigning for Leave, the ex Labour MP George Galloway campaigned for leave and can hardly be called right wing. There were even people from the Green party campaigning for Leave. | |||
"I don't regret voting to leave,I said it before the vote and I still believe it now,we will suffer as a nation in the short term but benefit in the long run " shame we have this shower of a negotiation team | |||
"In the long run I still think it will be better for us but know it's not going to be easy or painless... Then why do it?" Because in the long run it will be better for us... Re-read my post, it says that... | |||
"we will be free to make our own our own laws... Like what? What single UK law is objectionable or wrong and what laws would be better? " I bet brexiteers don't know the last bit of UK law that was struck down by the ECJ???? it was that if you booked annual leave, and you got sick whilst on leave.... you could claim it back as "sickness" and rebook your annual leave! who know those pesky europeans wanted you to be well on your hollibobs!!!! I know... whiney euro bastards eh!!!!!  | |||
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"In the long run I still think it will be better for us but know it's not going to be easy or painless... Then why do it? Because in the long run it will be better for us... Re-read my post, it says that..." Another mystic meg. .  | |||
"Fuck me Fabio that's handy the amount of times Iv been ill in hol and thort if only I could get me days back wish I'd voted remain now lol " You totally missed the point as usual | |||
"We really don't have to honour any EU commitments in the event of no deal. A House of Lords select committee concluded that the UK is not legally obliged to pay the EU a single penny if we leave with no deal. To quote Boris Johnson "the EU can go whistle". " Well, if your entire strategy relies on selling innovative jam to New Zealand, I doubt that reneging on your signature will make other countries line up to sign your fabled trade deals
I mean, it's about logic here.  | |||
"That sounds like it's straight from the Daily Express
"Divorce Bill" is a misnomer. The point is that the UK, as part of the EU, signed up for long term projects that require financing. Leaving the EU does not - in any way - remove the obligation to honour the signature.
You can jump up and down as much as you like, hope that Donald "America First" Trump is going to give you a deal that will save the day, etc... but at the end of the day, the govt knows it has to honour past commitments.
We really don't have to honour any EU commitments in the event of no deal. A House of Lords select committee concluded that the UK is not legally obliged to pay the EU a single penny if we leave with no deal. To quote Boris Johnson "the EU can go whistle". "He soon got slapped down and put in his place for saying that as well by both sides so im guess your of the same mentality as him | |||
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"We will get what we wished for but we are not going to like it, the government hoodwinked the people into thinking it was for our good when if fact we face years of recession & misery where only the rich will prosper. So what exactly do you mean?" The government targeted its Brexit audience well not explaining the real facts, we will still have zero hour contracts we still have the real number of unemployed falsified. Food has risen 20% already, that percentage was originally estimated for 5yrs time now it will exceed 100% in 5 years. Britain was better off before Brexit & might get back to that same level within 15yrs all so we can be a free country,a big percentage of Brexit voters would change their vote tomorrow to get us back to some kind of normality now they have realised the damage that as been done. | |||
"We will get what we wished for but we are not going to like it, the government hoodwinked the people into thinking it was for our good when if fact we face years of recession & misery where only the rich will prosper. So what exactly do you mean? The government targeted its Brexit audience well not explaining the real facts, we will still have zero hour contracts we still have the real number of unemployed falsified. Food has risen 20% already, that percentage was originally estimated for 5yrs time now it will exceed 100% in 5 years. Britain was better off before Brexit & might get back to that same level within 15yrs all so we can be a free country,a big percentage of Brexit voters would change their vote tomorrow to get us back to some kind of normality now they have realised the damage that as been done. " As has already been stated earlier in the thread the real benefits of Brexit will come to fruition once we are out the EU and signing our own trade deals all around the rest of the world. Professor of Economics at Cardiff business school and ex government economic advisor Patrick Minford said a couple of days ago through deregulation after Brexit and signing new trade deals all around the world the UK will be around £130 billion better off than we were as a member of the EU. In yesterday's newspapers economic expert and chairman of consultancy firm Capital economics and advisor to the Commons Treasury select committee for 20 years Roger Bootle said in a report backed by 15 other experts that the EU is a "comparative economic failure" hamstrung by "cack-handed" decisions. He wrote "Unshackled from the EU and it's destructive policies, there is every chance that the UK will enjoy a faster rate of economic growth, faster than it enjoyed in the past while a member, and faster than the remaining members in the future". | |||
"We will get what we wished for but we are not going to like it, the government hoodwinked the people into thinking it was for our good when if fact we face years of recession & misery where only the rich will prosper. So what exactly do you mean? The government targeted its Brexit audience well not explaining the real facts, we will still have zero hour contracts we still have the real number of unemployed falsified. Food has risen 20% already, that percentage was originally estimated for 5yrs time now it will exceed 100% in 5 years. Britain was better off before Brexit & might get back to that same level within 15yrs all so we can be a free country,a big percentage of Brexit voters would change their vote tomorrow to get us back to some kind of normality now they have realised the damage that as been done. As has already been stated earlier in the thread the real benefits of Brexit will come to fruition once we are out the EU and signing our own trade deals all around the rest of the world. Professor of Economics at Cardiff business school and ex government economic advisor Patrick Minford said a couple of days ago through deregulation after Brexit and signing new trade deals all around the world the UK will be around £130 billion better off than we were as a member of the EU. In yesterday's newspapers economic expert and chairman of consultancy firm Capital economics and advisor to the Commons Treasury select committee for 20 years Roger Bootle said in a report backed by 15 other experts that the EU is a "comparative economic failure" hamstrung by "cack-handed" decisions. He wrote "Unshackled from the EU and it's destructive policies, there is every chance that the UK will enjoy a faster rate of economic growth, faster than it enjoyed in the past while a member, and faster than the remaining members in the future". " "Economist Dr Monique Ebell from the National Institute of Social and Economic Research (NIESR) says Prof Minford "ignores decades of evidence on how trade actually works".Ebell's own research showed that if the UK left the single market but made unilateral trade deals with major developing economies and the Anglosphere, it would only claw back about one-third of the 20-30% reduction in lost total trade by leaving the EU.Ebell says many of the trade barriers that Prof Minford argues to be removed are subtle, non-tariff barriers, such as agreed common standards." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40972776 Centaur, are you also ignoring decades of evidence on how trade actually works? | |||
"We will get what we wished for but we are not going to like it, the government hoodwinked the people into thinking it was for our good when if fact we face years of recession & misery where only the rich will prosper. So what exactly do you mean? The government targeted its Brexit audience well not explaining the real facts, we will still have zero hour contracts we still have the real number of unemployed falsified. Food has risen 20% already, that percentage was originally estimated for 5yrs time now it will exceed 100% in 5 years. Britain was better off before Brexit & might get back to that same level within 15yrs all so we can be a free country,a big percentage of Brexit voters would change their vote tomorrow to get us back to some kind of normality now they have realised the damage that as been done. As has already been stated earlier in the thread the real benefits of Brexit will come to fruition once we are out the EU and signing our own trade deals all around the rest of the world. Professor of Economics at Cardiff business school and ex government economic advisor Patrick Minford said a couple of days ago through deregulation after Brexit and signing new trade deals all around the world the UK will be around £130 billion better off than we were as a member of the EU. In yesterday's newspapers economic expert and chairman of consultancy firm Capital economics and advisor to the Commons Treasury select committee for 20 years Roger Bootle said in a report backed by 15 other experts that the EU is a "comparative economic failure" hamstrung by "cack-handed" decisions. He wrote "Unshackled from the EU and it's destructive policies, there is every chance that the UK will enjoy a faster rate of economic growth, faster than it enjoyed in the past while a member, and faster than the remaining members in the future". "Economist Dr Monique Ebell from the National Institute of Social and Economic Research (NIESR) says Prof Minford "ignores decades of evidence on how trade actually works".Ebell's own research showed that if the UK left the single market but made unilateral trade deals with major developing economies and the Anglosphere, it would only claw back about one-third of the 20-30% reduction in lost total trade by leaving the EU.Ebell says many of the trade barriers that Prof Minford argues to be removed are subtle, non-tariff barriers, such as agreed common standards." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40972776 Centaur, are you also ignoring decades of evidence on how trade actually works? " What did Dr Ebell say about Roger Bootle then and the 15 other economic experts who worked on his report?  | |||
""That is an astonishing list of falsehoods - and the thing is - you probably believe them all? Incredible..." What's incredible about it?The fact you don't agree?We're all entitled to an opinion and a viewpoint.I also said they are things I hope for,not that I believe WILL happen "Any trade deal negotiated with the UK as a stand alone economy will by its very nature be a poorer one that we have as a consequence of being in the EU. Trade deals are based on the relative sizes of the economies in question and the Uk's is much smaller than the EU's" I'm well aware of how trade deals work,and I'm also aware that we won't get a brilliant trade deal to begin with.If you read my entire post you will see that I said I think we will suffer for a while then eventually be better off.I believe that over time we will eventually have better trade options with the rest of the world than we had with Europe as part of the club. "Like what? What single UK law is objectionable or wrong and what laws would be better?" I don't believe I said any UK law is objectionable or wrong.What I meant by is we wouldn't need to take the EU into consideration when it comes to our own lawmaking. "We can do that now and always have been. The problem is that if you want to export to another country (like the EU) you have to adhere to their standards othewise you wont be able to sell to them. No point in selling English 3 pin plugs in Spain is there?" Not necessarily true.If,as I hope,we eventually make progress with global trade,we can set the standards for other countries that want to trade with us rather than adhering to their standards.Again,a future benefit not an immediate one. "Ignoring the evident bias - you are aware that the £GBP is falling relentlessly against the Euro. Do you know why? It is because the money markets have more faith in the "failing" EU than they do in the UK. What does that mean they think of the UK?" Forgive my ignorance/stupidity,but what bias are you referring to?Genuine question,I'm not being a cunt.Yes I know the £ is currently falling,but again I said I think it will be short-term pain,long-term benefit.And the markets have proved many times that they don't always get it right. "See above. The markets believe that the EU has a far better outlook than than the UK. Just because you read stuff in right wing newspapers, does not make it true." See my last reply.Just to add,I don't read newspapers as they're usually full of shit,so your presumption that I get my information from them is wrong,sorry.I much prefer independent sources over biased information providers too. "If you were van driver, would you think it worth paying £500/month to lease your van when it is earning your you £4,000 a month from deliveries, or is the £500 just a waste of money? For poorly run, please note that the EU employs less civil servants than a typical UK County and has no unelected upper Parliament and no unelected Monarchy. The UK is the very essence of something that is poorly run." You're quite right when you say the UK is poorly run,I don't believe I said it wasn't.I think we should do away with the monarchy and the upper parliament as they're hardly a mark of democracy.However I do think the EU is badly run and poor value for money,as are most governments.I don't think your van driver analogy is a good one,as the returns for the figures you used are pretty good,whereas the returns we get from EU membership aren't as attractive,and the subsidies just prop up industries and systems that need to change and evolve to become efficient and productive. "YOU (and I) will have no opportunity whatsoever to run this country any way that you/I want. That opportunity will rest with the very, very wealthy, the media owners and our own inept Politicians" Granted I will never be PM,same as you won't,I went to the wrong school and don't know the required funny handshake.But there is opportunity to get involved with government for anyone who wants to,so to say we will never have a hand in running this country is slightly inaccurate.If you can get enough supporters behind you and are clever enough to play the game better than the establishment it's quite possible to make a difference to the way thia country is run. "NONE of what you have said above will appear as any benefit at all. Indeed what is most likely to happen is that the people who hope that things above might change in their favour will be the ones most disadvantaged by Brexit" Either you have a psychic ability and know what will happen in the distant future,or you're just stating your opinion.Same as I was doing.You don't think any of it will happen,I believe there is a chance some of it will.You could be right,I could be right.Time will tell. "Anyone who really wanted to see change in this country should have voted in favour of the AV referendum. It is our own political system that needs changing, not our place in Europe" I agree with you that more should have voted in favour of the AV referendum,it would certainly have helped to ring the bells of change,and rung them much faster and louder than is possible at present.I also agree that our political system needs to change as at present it's not really fit for purpose.However I don't agree that our place in Europe doesn't need to change.To me,the EU is Europe's attempt to copy the American model and make a United States Of Europe,and it hasn't worked. Thanks for your detailed replies,I'm always interested to hear others points of view on contentious issues,especially if they are opposing to mine and are presented as well as you have presented yours." This point alone... "Not necessarily true.If,as I hope,we eventually make progress with global trade,we can set the standards for other countries that want to trade with us rather than adhering to their standards.Again,a future benefit not an immediate one." Demonstrates to anyone reading this thread that your assertions are uninformed. Trading with the EU works because of agreed common standards within the EU and anyone who wants to trade with the EU has to demonstrate compliance with EU standards (CE kite mark). You really are dreaming if you think that the UK is going to start changing the worlds manufacturing compliance regulations just to fit in with UK manufacturers (of what by the way???).. There is a gulf a mile wide between Government regulations and what manufacturers would want. Regulatory compliance by any Sovereign state is a requirement for any manufacturer that wants to trade and that is the way it works - not the other way around. The thing is mate, you have been lied to, you believe this shit and you are not even prepared to think through even the simplest of issues. Life in an echo chamber might feel good, but then you have to get out. | |||
Bureaucrats cost lives, strangely its never theirs as they live in their protected sheltered bubbles.
We are far better off without Brussels and the EU.
We could be better off if we bought in a new system of governing the country but that will never happen as we have far too many sheep who believe all the rubbish that they are fed. | |||
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" We really don't have to honour any EU commitments in the event of no deal. A House of Lords select committee concluded that the UK is not legally obliged to pay the EU a single penny if we leave with no deal. To quote Boris Johnson "the EU can go whistle". " Is that the same Boris Johnson who today admitted “We will certainly have to meet our obligations”.
“Some of the sums that I’ve seen seemed to be very high and, of course, we will meet our obligations. We are law-abiding, bill-paying people."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/25/boris-johnson-concedes-uk-will-have-to-pay-for-brexit | |||
" We really don't have to honour any EU commitments in the event of no deal. A House of Lords select committee concluded that the UK is not legally obliged to pay the EU a single penny if we leave with no deal. To quote Boris Johnson "the EU can go whistle". Is that the same Boris Johnson who today admitted “We will certainly have to meet our obligations”.
“Some of the sums that I’ve seen seemed to be very high and, of course, we will meet our obligations. We are law-abiding, bill-paying people."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/25/boris-johnson-concedes-uk-will-have-to-pay-for-brexit "Yes we will meet our obligations and pay a divorce bill ONLY if agreement is made on a post Brexit uk-EU trade deal. If no deal is done on trade then it's very unlikely the EU will get any money from the UK. | |||
"I am just wondering how centaur is going to cope now that boris johnson has finally conceded that the uk will have to pay a bill on exit.... Probably crying into his Nigel farage pillow as we speak And waiting on the breitbart spin points..... So much for go whistle then! "That bill Boris is talking about is only conditional on reaching a deal. You do realise that right?
If no deal is done from these negotiations then it's unlikely we will pay any bill. | |||
"I am just wondering how centaur is going to cope now that boris johnson has finally conceded that the uk will have to pay a bill on exit.... Probably crying into his Nigel farage pillow as we speak And waiting on the breitbart spin points..... So much for go whistle then!
That bill Boris is talking about is only conditional on reaching a deal. You do realise that right?
If no deal is done from these negotiations then it's unlikely we will pay any bill. "Hes caved in like the rest of the Tories have....there all hot air...remind you of anyone ? | |||
"I am just wondering how centaur is going to cope now that boris johnson has finally conceded that the uk will have to pay a bill on exit.... Probably crying into his Nigel farage pillow as we speak And waiting on the breitbart spin points..... So much for go whistle then! "He'll cope the way he has with every other failure on the Tory negotiations: spin it, twist it, bop it, whatever it takes to proclaim this as a victory. Before the negotiations Centaur was saying that the UK would be in control of negotiations, the EU would crumble, there'd be no divorce bill, there'd be no court above the UKs, that the British economy would massively improve with the prospect of Brexit coming and they've all proven untrue. | |||
"I am just wondering how centaur is going to cope now that boris johnson has finally conceded that the uk will have to pay a bill on exit.... Probably crying into his Nigel farage pillow as we speak And waiting on the breitbart spin points..... So much for go whistle then!
He'll cope the way he has with every other failure on the Tory negotiations: spin it, twist it, bop it, whatever it takes to proclaim this as a victory.
Before the negotiations Centaur was saying that the UK would be in control of negotiations, the EU would crumble, there'd be no divorce bill, there'd be no court above the UKs, that the British economy would massively improve with the prospect of Brexit coming and they've all proven untrue."As I've said on numerous occasions it's a 2 year negotiation process and we are only a few months in. So I've not actually been proven wrong as it's still an ongoing process until March 2019, only then can you or anyone else make conclusions. It still remains to be seen if we pay a divorce bill, if no deal is reached on trade then we won't be paying any exit bill in March 2019. The divorce bill will be conditional on an agreement being reached on trade. If anyone's been proven wrong on the divorce bill it's you as you were saying we'd pay a minimum of 50 billion. The EU is talking about 25 million now and I expect that figure to keep dropping more. Remember it was 100 billion to start with, lol. Is this an example of the EU crumbling, certainly seems to be so. On the courts point you raised I said the jurisdiction of the ECJ would end in the UK after Brexit and this has turned out to be the case. It's been set out as a red line by the UK in the negotiations. Prime Minister Theresa May said in a statement mid week that the UK Supreme court will be the court that has the final say on things in the UK after Brexit and any EU rulings will only be advisory to be taken into consideration by the UK Supreme court. As for the economy improving because of Brexit I've always said the UK economy will be better after Brexit (after March 2019) when we are out of the EU and signing our own trade deals around the rest of the world. As the new trade deals are signed then yes I maintain the UK economy will massively improve compared to when we were a member of the EU, in fact a report by economics expert Roger Bootle along with 15 other experts who contributed to the report said exactly that this week. | |||
"We will get what we wished for but we are not going to like it, the government hoodwinked the people into thinking it was for our good when if fact we face years of recession & misery where only the rich will prosper. As the focus was on mainstream issues, I rather think the Govt wanted to win, but only just. This would give them a better tool in Europe by saying... Look, the British people nearly voted to leave... It backfired. The Government campaigned to remain, Cameron thought the deal he had got from the EU was good enough and he wanted to stay." | |||
" We really don't have to honour any EU commitments in the event of no deal. A House of Lords select committee concluded that the UK is not legally obliged to pay the EU a single penny if we leave with no deal. To quote Boris Johnson "the EU can go whistle". Is that the same Boris Johnson who today admitted “We will certainly have to meet our obligations”.
“Some of the sums that I’ve seen seemed to be very high and, of course, we will meet our obligations. We are law-abiding, bill-paying people."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/25/boris-johnson-concedes-uk-will-have-to-pay-for-brexit "Actually, under UK law, we are not legally obliged to pay anything to the EU and, even if we were, as Parliament is sovereign, it could simply pass laws to change that. The question is not whether or not, under UK law, we are obliged to pay anything or not, but whether we should or should not stand by our treaty obligations which may require us to pay something. It is also possible that, while not enforceable under UK law, those obligations may be enforceable under international law by the International Court of Justice. | |||
"I am just wondering how centaur is going to cope now that boris johnson has finally conceded that the uk will have to pay a bill on exit.... Probably crying into his Nigel farage pillow as we speak And waiting on the breitbart spin points..... So much for go whistle then!
He'll cope the way he has with every other failure on the Tory negotiations: spin it, twist it, bop it, whatever it takes to proclaim this as a victory.
Before the negotiations Centaur was saying that the UK would be in control of negotiations, the EU would crumble, there'd be no divorce bill, there'd be no court above the UKs, that the British economy would massively improve with the prospect of Brexit coming and they've all proven untrue.
As I've said on numerous occasions it's a 2 year negotiation process and we are only a few months in. So I've not actually been proven wrong as it's still an ongoing process until March 2019, only then can you or anyone else make conclusions. It still remains to be seen if we pay a divorce bill, if no deal is reached on trade then we won't be paying any exit bill in March 2019. The divorce bill will be conditional on an agreement being reached on trade. If anyone's been proven wrong on the divorce bill it's you as you were saying we'd pay a minimum of 50 billion. The EU is talking about 25 million now and I expect that figure to keep dropping more. Remember it was 100 billion to start with, lol. Is this an example of the EU crumbling, certainly seems to be so. On the courts point you raised I said the jurisdiction of the ECJ would end in the UK after Brexit and this has turned out to be the case. It's been set out as a red line by the UK in the negotiations. Prime Minister Theresa May said in a statement mid week that the UK Supreme court will be the court that has the final say on things in the UK after Brexit and any EU rulings will only be advisory to be taken into consideration by the UK Supreme court. As for the economy improving because of Brexit I've always said the UK economy will be better after Brexit (after March 2019) when we are out of the EU and signing our own trade deals around the rest of the world. As the new trade deals are signed then yes I maintain the UK economy will massively improve compared to when we were a member of the EU, in fact a report by economics expert Roger Bootle along with 15 other experts who contributed to the report said exactly that this week. "Centaur, there is no way you are still gonna be on this forum in the March 2019, you are gonna up a disappear like a fart in the wind like all the rest of your brexit buddies. | |||
"I am just wondering how centaur is going to cope now that boris johnson has finally conceded that the uk will have to pay a bill on exit.... Probably crying into his Nigel farage pillow as we speak And waiting on the breitbart spin points..... So much for go whistle then!
He'll cope the way he has with every other failure on the Tory negotiations: spin it, twist it, bop it, whatever it takes to proclaim this as a victory.
Before the negotiations Centaur was saying that the UK would be in control of negotiations, the EU would crumble, there'd be no divorce bill, there'd be no court above the UKs, that the British economy would massively improve with the prospect of Brexit coming and they've all proven untrue.
As I've said on numerous occasions it's a 2 year negotiation process and we are only a few months in. So I've not actually been proven wrong as it's still an ongoing process until March 2019, only then can you or anyone else make conclusions. It still remains to be seen if we pay a divorce bill, if no deal is reached on trade then we won't be paying any exit bill in March 2019. The divorce bill will be conditional on an agreement being reached on trade. If anyone's been proven wrong on the divorce bill it's you as you were saying we'd pay a minimum of 50 billion. The EU is talking about 25 million now and I expect that figure to keep dropping more. Remember it was 100 billion to start with, lol. Is this an example of the EU crumbling, certainly seems to be so. On the courts point you raised I said the jurisdiction of the ECJ would end in the UK after Brexit and this has turned out to be the case. It's been set out as a red line by the UK in the negotiations. Prime Minister Theresa May said in a statement mid week that the UK Supreme court will be the court that has the final say on things in the UK after Brexit and any EU rulings will only be advisory to be taken into consideration by the UK Supreme court. As for the economy improving because of Brexit I've always said the UK economy will be better after Brexit (after March 2019) when we are out of the EU and signing our own trade deals around the rest of the world. As the new trade deals are signed then yes I maintain the UK economy will massively improve compared to when we were a member of the EU, in fact a report by economics expert Roger Bootle along with 15 other experts who contributed to the report said exactly that this week.
Centaur, there is no way you are still gonna be on this forum in the March 2019, you are gonna up a disappear like a fart in the wind like all the rest of your brexit buddies."What on earth are you waffling on about? I was on fabs forum posting about leaving the EU long before the referendum was announced, and I was posting all through the referendum campaign as were many others here, where were you then? There are still many pro leave/pro Brexit fabbers posting on the politics forum although they really don't need to as Brexit is happening so we've already won. I was here long before you and I'll still be here long after you've gone. | |||
"It's a total shit show I guess you never experienced what it was like in the mid 70's You're right, I wasn't even born in the 1970s, but I know we didn't have Brexit in the 1970s. We didn't have Brexit, but we had inflation at over 20%, strikes all the time, power cuts, to name but a few. Yes, we did, we had that in the years before we joined and the years just after we had joined, now we have been in for decades, do we have that now?" What years before we joined the EEC was inflation over 20%? When were all the power cuts/3 day week before we joined? | |||
"It's a total shit show I guess you never experienced what it was like in the mid 70's You're right, I wasn't even born in the 1970s, but I know we didn't have Brexit in the 1970s. We didn't have Brexit, but we had inflation at over 20%, strikes all the time, power cuts, to name but a few. Yes, we did, we had that in the years before we joined and the years just after we had joined, now we have been in for decades, do we have that now? What years before we joined the EEC was inflation over 20%? When were all the power cuts/3 day week before we joined?" The effect was that from 1 January until 7 March 1974 (also the same month the 1973-74 oil crisis ended) commercial users of electricity were limited to three specified consecutive days' consumption each week and prohibited from working longer hours on those days. Three-Day Week - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Day_Week 1973 In the first week of 1973, the week Britain joined the Common Market, the Government put on a festival of European culture so that the British people could share what their Prime Minister, Edward Heath, called his “heart full of joy” at their country's shiny new Euro-future.30 Dec 2012 The EU: so where did it all go wrong www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/.../The-EU-so-where-did-it-all-go-wrong.html | |||
"As I've said on numerous occasions it's a 2 year negotiation process and we are only a few months in. So I've not actually been proven wrong as it's still an ongoing process until March 2019, only then can you or anyone else make conclusions. It still remains to be seen if we pay a divorce bill, if no deal is reached on trade then we won't be paying any exit bill in March 2019. The divorce bill will be conditional on an agreement being reached on trade. If anyone's been proven wrong on the divorce bill it's you as you were saying we'd pay a minimum of 50 billion. The EU is talking about 25 million now and I expect that figure to keep dropping more. Remember it was 100 billion to start with, lol. Is this an example of the EU crumbling, certainly seems to be so. On the courts point you raised I said the jurisdiction of the ECJ would end in the UK after Brexit and this has turned out to be the case. It's been set out as a red line by the UK in the negotiations. Prime Minister Theresa May said in a statement mid week that the UK Supreme court will be the court that has the final say on things in the UK after Brexit and any EU rulings will only be advisory to be taken into consideration by the UK Supreme court. As for the economy improving because of Brexit I've always said the UK economy will be better after Brexit (after March 2019) when we are out of the EU and signing our own trade deals around the rest of the world. As the new trade deals are signed then yes I maintain the UK economy will massively improve compared to when we were a member of the EU, in fact a report by economics expert Roger Bootle along with 15 other experts who contributed to the report said exactly that this week. " The talks need to be completed by October 2018 in order for everything to be ratified, legislation passed and everything put in place for March 2019. That means there is 14 months left in negotiations. 14 months. On the divorce bill Ive not seen anyone on the negotiating team or with influence over the negotiations say 25 billion was the figure. What I have seen is reports May will pay 40 billion though they were downplayed by a spokesperson. As Ive said previously the Tories will desperately try and split and hide the figure to try and claim a victory but it will come to about ~50bn. If there was a bright future coming to the UK in 18 months we'd be seeing people swarming to get an early foothold and capitalise on this, but we're not. | |||
"As I've said on numerous occasions it's a 2 year negotiation process and we are only a few months in. So I've not actually been proven wrong as it's still an ongoing process until March 2019, only then can you or anyone else make conclusions. It still remains to be seen if we pay a divorce bill, if no deal is reached on trade then we won't be paying any exit bill in March 2019. The divorce bill will be conditional on an agreement being reached on trade. If anyone's been proven wrong on the divorce bill it's you as you were saying we'd pay a minimum of 50 billion. The EU is talking about 25 million now and I expect that figure to keep dropping more. Remember it was 100 billion to start with, lol. Is this an example of the EU crumbling, certainly seems to be so. On the courts point you raised I said the jurisdiction of the ECJ would end in the UK after Brexit and this has turned out to be the case. It's been set out as a red line by the UK in the negotiations. Prime Minister Theresa May said in a statement mid week that the UK Supreme court will be the court that has the final say on things in the UK after Brexit and any EU rulings will only be advisory to be taken into consideration by the UK Supreme court. As for the economy improving because of Brexit I've always said the UK economy will be better after Brexit (after March 2019) when we are out of the EU and signing our own trade deals around the rest of the world. As the new trade deals are signed then yes I maintain the UK economy will massively improve compared to when we were a member of the EU, in fact a report by economics expert Roger Bootle along with 15 other experts who contributed to the report said exactly that this week. The talks need to be completed by October 2018 in order for everything to be ratified, legislation passed and everything put in place for March 2019. That means there is 14 months left in negotiations. 14 months. On the divorce bill Ive not seen anyone on the negotiating team or with influence over the negotiations say 25 billion was the figure. What I have seen is reports May will pay 40 billion though they were downplayed by a spokesperson. As Ive said previously the Tories will desperately try and split and hide the figure to try and claim a victory but it will come to about ~50bn. If there was a bright future coming to the UK in 18 months we'd be seeing people swarming to get an early foothold and capitalise on this, but we're not." I thought our Foreign Secretary had told them to go whistle for the money? Hmm, seems very strange that we are now going to pay it. If we pay £40bn, how many years of payment does that equate to? That would seem to make a complete mockery of the campaign bus wouldn't it? | |||
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"As I've said on numerous occasions it's a 2 year negotiation process and we are only a few months in. So I've not actually been proven wrong as it's still an ongoing process until March 2019, only then can you or anyone else make conclusions. It still remains to be seen if we pay a divorce bill, if no deal is reached on trade then we won't be paying any exit bill in March 2019. The divorce bill will be conditional on an agreement being reached on trade. If anyone's been proven wrong on the divorce bill it's you as you were saying we'd pay a minimum of 50 billion. The EU is talking about 25 million now and I expect that figure to keep dropping more. Remember it was 100 billion to start with, lol. Is this an example of the EU crumbling, certainly seems to be so. On the courts point you raised I said the jurisdiction of the ECJ would end in the UK after Brexit and this has turned out to be the case. It's been set out as a red line by the UK in the negotiations. Prime Minister Theresa May said in a statement mid week that the UK Supreme court will be the court that has the final say on things in the UK after Brexit and any EU rulings will only be advisory to be taken into consideration by the UK Supreme court. As for the economy improving because of Brexit I've always said the UK economy will be better after Brexit (after March 2019) when we are out of the EU and signing our own trade deals around the rest of the world. As the new trade deals are signed then yes I maintain the UK economy will massively improve compared to when we were a member of the EU, in fact a report by economics expert Roger Bootle along with 15 other experts who contributed to the report said exactly that this week. The talks need to be completed by October 2018 in order for everything to be ratified, legislation passed and everything put in place for March 2019. That means there is 14 months left in negotiations. 14 months. On the divorce bill Ive not seen anyone on the negotiating team or with influence over the negotiations say 25 billion was the figure. What I have seen is reports May will pay 40 billion though they were downplayed by a spokesperson. As Ive said previously the Tories will desperately try and split and hide the figure to try and claim a victory but it will come to about ~50bn. If there was a bright future coming to the UK in 18 months we'd be seeing people swarming to get an early foothold and capitalise on this, but we're not. I thought our Foreign Secretary had told them to go whistle for the money? Hmm, seems very strange that we are now going to pay it. If we pay £40bn, how many years of payment does that equate to? That would seem to make a complete mockery of the campaign bus wouldn't it? It's about 3 yrs worth isn't it ? " Full fact has it as about £7.6bn going to the EU and not coming back to the UK, so £40bn would be more than 5 years worth. | |||
" Europe about to take us for millions and the cost of living ever rising would anyone own up to regretting voting brexit" Are these really the people we want to be in a club with?! Just says what they are doesn't it. | |||
"We will get what we wished for but we are not going to like it, the government hoodwinked the people into thinking it was for our good when if fact we face years of recession & misery where only the rich will prosper. Err no, you have a short memory - the government recommended we vote to stay in (remember David Cameron?), it was UKIP which hoodwinked people. " | |||
"As I've said on numerous occasions it's a 2 year negotiation process and we are only a few months in. So I've not actually been proven wrong as it's still an ongoing process until March 2019, only then can you or anyone else make conclusions. It still remains to be seen if we pay a divorce bill, if no deal is reached on trade then we won't be paying any exit bill in March 2019. The divorce bill will be conditional on an agreement being reached on trade. If anyone's been proven wrong on the divorce bill it's you as you were saying we'd pay a minimum of 50 billion. The EU is talking about 25 million now and I expect that figure to keep dropping more. Remember it was 100 billion to start with, lol. Is this an example of the EU crumbling, certainly seems to be so. On the courts point you raised I said the jurisdiction of the ECJ would end in the UK after Brexit and this has turned out to be the case. It's been set out as a red line by the UK in the negotiations. Prime Minister Theresa May said in a statement mid week that the UK Supreme court will be the court that has the final say on things in the UK after Brexit and any EU rulings will only be advisory to be taken into consideration by the UK Supreme court. As for the economy improving because of Brexit I've always said the UK economy will be better after Brexit (after March 2019) when we are out of the EU and signing our own trade deals around the rest of the world. As the new trade deals are signed then yes I maintain the UK economy will massively improve compared to when we were a member of the EU, in fact a report by economics expert Roger Bootle along with 15 other experts who contributed to the report said exactly that this week. The talks need to be completed by October 2018 in order for everything to be ratified, legislation passed and everything put in place for March 2019. That means there is 14 months left in negotiations. 14 months. On the divorce bill Ive not seen anyone on the negotiating team or with influence over the negotiations say 25 billion was the figure. What I have seen is reports May will pay 40 billion though they were downplayed by a spokesperson. As Ive said previously the Tories will desperately try and split and hide the figure to try and claim a victory but it will come to about ~50bn. If there was a bright future coming to the UK in 18 months we'd be seeing people swarming to get an early foothold and capitalise on this, but we're not. I thought our Foreign Secretary had told them to go whistle for the money? Hmm, seems very strange that we are now going to pay it. If we pay £40bn, how many years of payment does that equate to? That would seem to make a complete mockery of the campaign bus wouldn't it? It's about 3 yrs worth isn't it ? Full fact has it as about £7.6bn going to the EU and not coming back to the UK, so £40bn would be more than 5 years worth. " A small price to pay for some.We should up marmite production to cover the loss. | |||
"As I've said on numerous occasions it's a 2 year negotiation process and we are only a few months in. So I've not actually been proven wrong as it's still an ongoing process until March 2019, only then can you or anyone else make conclusions. It still remains to be seen if we pay a divorce bill, if no deal is reached on trade then we won't be paying any exit bill in March 2019. The divorce bill will be conditional on an agreement being reached on trade. If anyone's been proven wrong on the divorce bill it's you as you were saying we'd pay a minimum of 50 billion. The EU is talking about 25 million now and I expect that figure to keep dropping more. Remember it was 100 billion to start with, lol. Is this an example of the EU crumbling, certainly seems to be so. On the courts point you raised I said the jurisdiction of the ECJ would end in the UK after Brexit and this has turned out to be the case. It's been set out as a red line by the UK in the negotiations. Prime Minister Theresa May said in a statement mid week that the UK Supreme court will be the court that has the final say on things in the UK after Brexit and any EU rulings will only be advisory to be taken into consideration by the UK Supreme court. As for the economy improving because of Brexit I've always said the UK economy will be better after Brexit (after March 2019) when we are out of the EU and signing our own trade deals around the rest of the world. As the new trade deals are signed then yes I maintain the UK economy will massively improve compared to when we were a member of the EU, in fact a report by economics expert Roger Bootle along with 15 other experts who contributed to the report said exactly that this week. The talks need to be completed by October 2018 in order for everything to be ratified, legislation passed and everything put in place for March 2019. That means there is 14 months left in negotiations. 14 months. On the divorce bill Ive not seen anyone on the negotiating team or with influence over the negotiations say 25 billion was the figure. What I have seen is reports May will pay 40 billion though they were downplayed by a spokesperson. As Ive said previously the Tories will desperately try and split and hide the figure to try and claim a victory but it will come to about ~50bn. If there was a bright future coming to the UK in 18 months we'd be seeing people swarming to get an early foothold and capitalise on this, but we're not. I thought our Foreign Secretary had told them to go whistle for the money? Hmm, seems very strange that we are now going to pay it. If we pay £40bn, how many years of payment does that equate to? That would seem to make a complete mockery of the campaign bus wouldn't it? It's about 3 yrs worth isn't it ? Full fact has it as about £7.6bn going to the EU and not coming back to the UK, so £40bn would be more than 5 years worth. A small price to pay for some.We should up marmite production to cover the loss." Or we could completely defund the education budget for two years, or the MOD for over a year. | |||
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"As I've said on numerous occasions it's a 2 year negotiation process and we are only a few months in. So I've not actually been proven wrong as it's still an ongoing process until March 2019, only then can you or anyone else make conclusions. It still remains to be seen if we pay a divorce bill, if no deal is reached on trade then we won't be paying any exit bill in March 2019. The divorce bill will be conditional on an agreement being reached on trade. If anyone's been proven wrong on the divorce bill it's you as you were saying we'd pay a minimum of 50 billion. The EU is talking about 25 million now and I expect that figure to keep dropping more. Remember it was 100 billion to start with, lol. Is this an example of the EU crumbling, certainly seems to be so. On the courts point you raised I said the jurisdiction of the ECJ would end in the UK after Brexit and this has turned out to be the case. It's been set out as a red line by the UK in the negotiations. Prime Minister Theresa May said in a statement mid week that the UK Supreme court will be the court that has the final say on things in the UK after Brexit and any EU rulings will only be advisory to be taken into consideration by the UK Supreme court. As for the economy improving because of Brexit I've always said the UK economy will be better after Brexit (after March 2019) when we are out of the EU and signing our own trade deals around the rest of the world. As the new trade deals are signed then yes I maintain the UK economy will massively improve compared to when we were a member of the EU, in fact a report by economics expert Roger Bootle along with 15 other experts who contributed to the report said exactly that this week. The talks need to be completed by October 2018 in order for everything to be ratified, legislation passed and everything put in place for March 2019. That means there is 14 months left in negotiations. 14 months. On the divorce bill Ive not seen anyone on the negotiating team or with influence over the negotiations say 25 billion was the figure. What I have seen is reports May will pay 40 billion though they were downplayed by a spokesperson. As Ive said previously the Tories will desperately try and split and hide the figure to try and claim a victory but it will come to about ~50bn. If there was a bright future coming to the UK in 18 months we'd be seeing people swarming to get an early foothold and capitalise on this, but we're not. I thought our Foreign Secretary had told them to go whistle for the money? Hmm, seems very strange that we are now going to pay it. If we pay £40bn, how many years of payment does that equate to? That would seem to make a complete mockery of the campaign bus wouldn't it? It's about 3 yrs worth isn't it ? Full fact has it as about £7.6bn going to the EU and not coming back to the UK, so £40bn would be more than 5 years worth. A small price to pay for some.We should up marmite production to cover the loss. Or we could completely defund the education budget for two years, or the MOD for over a year. " How about chasing down unpaid corporate taxes.. Or is the tory old boys club a problem | |||
"As I've said on numerous occasions it's a 2 year negotiation process and we are only a few months in. So I've not actually been proven wrong as it's still an ongoing process until March 2019, only then can you or anyone else make conclusions. It still remains to be seen if we pay a divorce bill, if no deal is reached on trade then we won't be paying any exit bill in March 2019. The divorce bill will be conditional on an agreement being reached on trade. If anyone's been proven wrong on the divorce bill it's you as you were saying we'd pay a minimum of 50 billion. The EU is talking about 25 million now and I expect that figure to keep dropping more. Remember it was 100 billion to start with, lol. Is this an example of the EU crumbling, certainly seems to be so. On the courts point you raised I said the jurisdiction of the ECJ would end in the UK after Brexit and this has turned out to be the case. It's been set out as a red line by the UK in the negotiations. Prime Minister Theresa May said in a statement mid week that the UK Supreme court will be the court that has the final say on things in the UK after Brexit and any EU rulings will only be advisory to be taken into consideration by the UK Supreme court. As for the economy improving because of Brexit I've always said the UK economy will be better after Brexit (after March 2019) when we are out of the EU and signing our own trade deals around the rest of the world. As the new trade deals are signed then yes I maintain the UK economy will massively improve compared to when we were a member of the EU, in fact a report by economics expert Roger Bootle along with 15 other experts who contributed to the report said exactly that this week. The talks need to be completed by October 2018 in order for everything to be ratified, legislation passed and everything put in place for March 2019. That means there is 14 months left in negotiations. 14 months. On the divorce bill Ive not seen anyone on the negotiating team or with influence over the negotiations say 25 billion was the figure. What I have seen is reports May will pay 40 billion though they were downplayed by a spokesperson. As Ive said previously the Tories will desperately try and split and hide the figure to try and claim a victory but it will come to about ~50bn. If there was a bright future coming to the UK in 18 months we'd be seeing people swarming to get an early foothold and capitalise on this, but we're not. I thought our Foreign Secretary had told them to go whistle for the money? Hmm, seems very strange that we are now going to pay it. If we pay £40bn, how many years of payment does that equate to? That would seem to make a complete mockery of the campaign bus wouldn't it? It's about 3 yrs worth isn't it ? Full fact has it as about £7.6bn going to the EU and not coming back to the UK, so £40bn would be more than 5 years worth. A small price to pay for some.We should up marmite production to cover the loss. Or we could completely defund the education budget for two years, or the MOD for over a year. How about chasing down unpaid corporate taxes.. Or is the tory old boys club a problem " We've got a Tory gov, they like to cut. | |||
"As I've said on numerous occasions it's a 2 year negotiation process and we are only a few months in. So I've not actually been proven wrong as it's still an ongoing process until March 2019, only then can you or anyone else make conclusions. It still remains to be seen if we pay a divorce bill, if no deal is reached on trade then we won't be paying any exit bill in March 2019. The divorce bill will be conditional on an agreement being reached on trade. If anyone's been proven wrong on the divorce bill it's you as you were saying we'd pay a minimum of 50 billion. The EU is talking about 25 million now and I expect that figure to keep dropping more. Remember it was 100 billion to start with, lol. Is this an example of the EU crumbling, certainly seems to be so. On the courts point you raised I said the jurisdiction of the ECJ would end in the UK after Brexit and this has turned out to be the case. It's been set out as a red line by the UK in the negotiations. Prime Minister Theresa May said in a statement mid week that the UK Supreme court will be the court that has the final say on things in the UK after Brexit and any EU rulings will only be advisory to be taken into consideration by the UK Supreme court. As for the economy improving because of Brexit I've always said the UK economy will be better after Brexit (after March 2019) when we are out of the EU and signing our own trade deals around the rest of the world. As the new trade deals are signed then yes I maintain the UK economy will massively improve compared to when we were a member of the EU, in fact a report by economics expert Roger Bootle along with 15 other experts who contributed to the report said exactly that this week. The talks need to be completed by October 2018 in order for everything to be ratified, legislation passed and everything put in place for March 2019. That means there is 14 months left in negotiations. 14 months. On the divorce bill Ive not seen anyone on the negotiating team or with influence over the negotiations say 25 billion was the figure. What I have seen is reports May will pay 40 billion though they were downplayed by a spokesperson. As Ive said previously the Tories will desperately try and split and hide the figure to try and claim a victory but it will come to about ~50bn. If there was a bright future coming to the UK in 18 months we'd be seeing people swarming to get an early foothold and capitalise on this, but we're not. I thought our Foreign Secretary had told them to go whistle for the money? Hmm, seems very strange that we are now going to pay it. If we pay £40bn, how many years of payment does that equate to? That would seem to make a complete mockery of the campaign bus wouldn't it? It's about 3 yrs worth isn't it ? Full fact has it as about £7.6bn going to the EU and not coming back to the UK, so £40bn would be more than 5 years worth. A small price to pay for some.We should up marmite production to cover the loss. Or we could completely defund the education budget for two years, or the MOD for over a year. How about chasing down unpaid corporate taxes.. Or is the tory old boys club a problem We've got a Tory gov, they like to cut." Death of a thousand cuts  | |||
"We will get what we wished for but we are not going to like it, the government hoodwinked the people into thinking it was for our good when if fact we face years of recession & misery where only the rich will prosper. " So What's New? Thats all that's been happening for decades. Governments lying to the electorate ( Labour and Conservative) The rich have always got richer The working person has always had to scratch a living. . . And so it will continue regardless of who pulls the strings. | |||
"Aw we could cut overseas aid just a thought And reneg on our UN commitments to the sustainable development goals?" no I was thinking cut back and give as much as France or Germany | |||
"Aw we could cut overseas aid just a thought And reneg on our UN commitments to the sustainable development goals? no I was thinking cut back and give as much as France or Germany " Or Norway? Or Luxembourg? | |||
"Aw we could cut overseas aid just a thought And reneg on our UN commitments to the sustainable development goals? no I was thinking cut back and give as much as France or Germany Or Norway? Or Luxembourg?" yes ok then may be to large a cut tho lol | |||
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"This point alone... "Not necessarily true.If,as I hope,we eventually make progress with global trade,we can set the standards for other countries that want to trade with us rather than adhering to their standards.Again,a future benefit not an immediate one." Demonstrates to anyone reading this thread that your assertions are uninformed. Trading with the EU works because of agreed common standards within the EU and anyone who wants to trade with the EU has to demonstrate compliance with EU standards (CE kite mark). You really are dreaming if you think that the UK is going to start changing the worlds manufacturing compliance regulations just to fit in with UK manufacturers (of what by the way???).. There is a gulf a mile wide between Government regulations and what manufacturers would want. Regulatory compliance by any Sovereign state is a requirement for any manufacturer that wants to trade and that is the way it works - not the other way around. The thing is mate, you have been lied to, you believe this shit and you are not even prepared to think through even the simplest of issues. Life in an echo chamber might feel good, but then you have to get out." Out of curiosity,what makes you think I'm referring to trade deals with the EU?There's plenty of other nations out there old bean,many of them are developing their own industries and markets too, so who's to say they won't be interested in trade deals with ourselves in years to come?And what makes you so sure that we will never be the one to set the terms and standards of a deal with a developing nation in 50 years time?As I've said many times,short term pain,long term gain.The current setup was not good enough,if we fall on our arse and fail then so be it,but I'd rather we tried and failed to make it on our own than carry on as part of a corrupt institution that is doomed to fail. As a side note,people are entitled to an opinion,and just because some differ to yours it doesn't make them wrong.You have no idea what the situation will be in 50 years,neither do I,I just know what I hope it will be like and you seem convinced that you know for certain what it will definitely be like.So carry on with your petty insults mucker,all they do is undermine your intelligence and show what kind of a person you really are | |||
"This point alone... "Not necessarily true.If,as I hope,we eventually make progress with global trade,we can set the standards for other countries that want to trade with us rather than adhering to their standards.Again,a future benefit not an immediate one." Demonstrates to anyone reading this thread that your assertions are uninformed. Trading with the EU works because of agreed common standards within the EU and anyone who wants to trade with the EU has to demonstrate compliance with EU standards (CE kite mark). You really are dreaming if you think that the UK is going to start changing the worlds manufacturing compliance regulations just to fit in with UK manufacturers (of what by the way???).. There is a gulf a mile wide between Government regulations and what manufacturers would want. Regulatory compliance by any Sovereign state is a requirement for any manufacturer that wants to trade and that is the way it works - not the other way around. The thing is mate, you have been lied to, you believe this shit and you are not even prepared to think through even the simplest of issues. Life in an echo chamber might feel good, but then you have to get out. Out of curiosity,what makes you think I'm referring to trade deals with the EU?There's plenty of other nations out there old bean,many of them are developing their own industries and markets too, so who's to say they won't be interested in trade deals with ourselves in years to come?And what makes you so sure that we will never be the one to set the terms and standards of a deal with a developing nation in 50 years time?As I've said many times,short term pain,long term gain.The current setup was not good enough,if we fall on our arse and fail then so be it,but I'd rather we tried and failed to make it on our own than carry on as part of a corrupt institution that is doomed to fail. As a side note,people are entitled to an opinion,and just because some differ to yours it doesn't make them wrong.You have no idea what the situation will be in 50 years,neither do I,I just know what I hope it will be like and you seem convinced that you know for certain what it will definitely be like.So carry on with your petty insults mucker,all they do is undermine your intelligence and show what kind of a person you really are "Ok let's put it another way.... America wants to sell us electrical plugs and demands that we adhere to their standards and buy 110 volt two pin plugs and only left hand drive cars. Do we accept their standards? | |||
"Ok let's put it another way.... America wants to sell us electrical plugs and demands that we adhere to their standards and buy 110 volt two pin plugs and only left hand drive cars. Do we accept their standards? " Hardly relevant to my reply, seeing as America is not a developing nation with emerging industries and markets.I like how you select an example that only suits the arguement you're trying to make.I understand your point,and in relation to America it's valid,I just don't think such an example is going to apply to every industry and market around the world,especially emerging ones | |||
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"Ok let's put it another way.... America wants to sell us electrical plugs and demands that we adhere to their standards and buy 110 volt two pin plugs and only left hand drive cars. Do we accept their standards? Hardly relevant to my reply, seeing as America is not a developing nation with emerging industries and markets.I like how you select an example that only suits the arguement you're trying to make.I understand your point,and in relation to America it's valid,I just don't think such an example is going to apply to every industry and market around the world,especially emerging ones" No exporting country imposes its standards on the importing country. It is stupid and pointless and it doesn't matter if the country is developed or emerging. Stating that you think we could impose standards on emerging countries just smacks of imperialism and a lack of respect towards those nations. They want to buy RCD boxes that suit their current electrical infrastructure - that is what the exporter should be making and not telling them that what they have is shit and should have something different that would require billions in development costs. | |||
"No exporting country imposes its standards on the importing country. It is stupid and pointless and it doesn't matter if the country is developed or emerging. Stating that you think we could impose standards on emerging countries just smacks of imperialism and a lack of respect towards those nations. They want to buy RCD boxes that suit their current electrical infrastructure - that is what the exporter should be making and not telling them that what they have is shit and should have something different that would require billions in development costs." Your arguement works well with your example of RCD boxes,but again you choose an example that supports the point you want to make whilst ignoring the vast array of other examples out there that your arguement doesn't work with.For example,something as simple as a computer system? | |||
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"I dont regret voting to leave in the least." Hope you've got a tin hat to don in preparation for the abuse by pm you'll most likely get for daring to say such a thing.My inbox has certainly been busy with abusive Remainers that haven't got the stones to post publicly I'll give Too Hot their due though,they're clearly quite intelligent and have presented their opinions in a logical and informed way whilst keeping it quite civil considering the subject matter,and that has to be respected unlike the legends that are treating me to their half-baked opinions,arguements and insults by PM | |||
"I dont regret voting to leave in the least. Hope you've got a tin hat to don in preparation for the abuse by pm you'll most likely get for daring to say such a thing.My inbox has certainly been busy with abusive Remainers that haven't got the stones to post publicly I'll give Too Hot their due though,they're clearly quite intelligent and have presented their opinions in a logical and informed way whilst keeping it quite civil considering the subject matter,and that has to be respected unlike the legends that are treating me to their half-baked opinions,arguements and insults by PM "Best just to report any abusive emails to admin and block the morons. | |||
"No exporting country imposes its standards on the importing country. It is stupid and pointless and it doesn't matter if the country is developed or emerging. Stating that you think we could impose standards on emerging countries just smacks of imperialism and a lack of respect towards those nations. They want to buy RCD boxes that suit their current electrical infrastructure - that is what the exporter should be making and not telling them that what they have is shit and should have something different that would require billions in development costs. Your arguement works well with your example of RCD boxes,but again you choose an example that supports the point you want to make whilst ignoring the vast array of other examples out there that your arguement doesn't work with.For example,something as simple as a computer system?" What do you mean by a "computer system" in particular with regards to standards of national compliance? The entire point about this disagreement is that you said that the UK could impose its own standards of compliance on the countries that it exported to. I am making the point that if you are an exporter, by default, you have to adhere to the importing countries standards of compliance and its regulations - without having a say in it. This is a big (and pointless) part of the Brexit argument that you are regurgitating. Right now the UK has a say in the regulations and compliance of goods that it exports to the EU ( the dreaded EU regulations that allegedly cost U.K. Business £130 billion a year. Upon Brexit, the EU becomes like any other country that the ZuK exports to - we adhere to their standards or we don't export - end of story. Regarding compliance on the computer systems that you refer to - try selling a computer to Iran with WhatsApp pre installed or with Spotify or similar installed on a system being sold to any Islamic country. As a seller, you would be required to customise your system to ensure that its electrical compliance and resistance was compatible to the local supply and that the pre installed software did not contravene local customs and policies. It does not matter what type of product you are referring to, the buyer dictates the regulatory authority and compliance which has to be adhered to. | |||
"Aw we could cut overseas aid just a thought And reneg on our UN commitments to the sustainable development goals?" Standing by commitments made to "Johnny Foreigner" isn't high up on the list of BREXITer priorities. | |||
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"I dont regret voting to leave in the least. Hope you've got a tin hat to don in preparation for the abuse by pm you'll most likely get for daring to say such a thing.My inbox has certainly been busy with abusive Remainers that haven't got the stones to post publicly I'll give Too Hot their due though,they're clearly quite intelligent and have presented their opinions in a logical and informed way whilst keeping it quite civil considering the subject matter,and that has to be respected unlike the legends that are treating me to their half-baked opinions,arguements and insults by PM "I agree. It's very disappointing that some people on this site choose to make insulting and degrading remarks via PM just because a person puts forward a different point of view to there's. But I can assure you that it's not just those opposed to BREXIT that do this; I've had a quiet a few sent to me as a remainer. | |||
"It's a total shit show I guess you never experienced what it was like in the mid 70's You're right, I wasn't even born in the 1970s, but I know we didn't have Brexit in the 1970s. " 70's where the happiest time of my life,the best music,the power cuts had great fun moving from house to house to avoid them,good jokes,no stupid political correctness I could go on. Oh yes loads of work good opportunities it is what you make of it | |||
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"I dont regret voting to leave in the least. Arse kissing coward traitor. " tolerance of intolerance is cowardice" Hope you've got a tin hat to don in preparation for the abuse by pm you'll most likely get for daring to say such a thing.My inbox has certainly been busy with abusive Remainers that haven't got the stones to post publicly I'll give Too Hot their due though,they're clearly quite intelligent and have presented their opinions in a logical and informed way whilst keeping it quite civil considering the subject matter,and that has to be respected unlike the legends that are treating me to their half-baked opinions,arguements and insults by PM " | |||
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"Hate the EU Hate Islam Love humanity" Post and run. You used to be more fun with your extremism. | |||
"Would i be right in thinking the lefty remainers are the same guys you see on cam wanking with suspenders on? Just wondering as you seem like proper sissies." Is that what you are watching these days.? I think your comment betrays more than you wish.
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"Spending your time being terrified of brown people must be fucking exhausting." Oh im not terrified im disgusted by them. Not because of the shit pit the come from or the colour of their skin but because of their sick beliefs and culture. | |||
"Spending your time being terrified of brown people must be fucking exhausting. Oh im not terrified im disgusted by them. Not because of the shit pit the come from or the colour of their skin but because of their sick beliefs and culture." How dare you refer to Israel as a shit pit.I had a great time when i lived there.. | |||
"Spending your time being terrified of brown people must be fucking exhausting. Oh im not terrified im disgusted by them. Not because of the shit pit the come from or the colour of their skin but because of their sick beliefs and culture." that only thing i can say is thank fuck at least it is easier to spot people like you because you are more open about your views..... its the one that try to hide it are the harder ones to work out.... | |||
"Spending your time being terrified of brown people must be fucking exhausting. Oh im not terrified im disgusted by them. Not because of the shit pit the come from or the colour of their skin but because of their sick beliefs and culture. How dare you refer to Israel as a shit pit.I had a great time when i lived there.. "i don't think hes ever been to abu dhabi or dubai either... australia has a lot of brown people..... most of the new zealand rugby team are brown... | |||
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"Spending your time being terrified of brown people must be fucking exhausting. Oh im not terrified im disgusted by them. Not because of the shit pit the come from or the colour of their skin but because of their sick beliefs and culture." Well, this certainly went places.... | |||
"Spending your time being terrified of brown people must be fucking exhausting. Oh im not terrified im disgusted by them. Not because of the shit pit the come from or the colour of their skin but because of their sick beliefs and culture. How dare you refer to Israel as a shit pit.I had a great time when i lived there..
i don't think hes ever been to abu dhabi or dubai either...
australia has a lot of brown people..... most of the new zealand rugby team are brown... "New Zealand isn't in Australia  | |||
"I cant believe people thought we would waltz out of europe jettison the bad and keep the good. I personally voted to stay in...the unfortubate thing is, it will take 15 - 20 years before we see who was right But the vote is the vote and we need to crack on and make it work" Here's an intelligent post | |||
"I cant believe people thought we would waltz out of europe jettison the bad and keep the good. I personally voted to stay in...the unfortubate thing is, it will take 15 - 20 years before we see who was right But the vote is the vote and we need to crack on and make it work Here's an intelligent post "Yes one of the few! | |||
"I cant believe people thought we would waltz out of europe jettison the bad and keep the good. I personally voted to stay in...the unfortubate thing is, it will take 15 - 20 years before we see who was right But the vote is the vote and we need to crack on and make it work Here's an intelligent post "No its not, its mindless and senseless. Apply that logic to any other situation. Nurse: The patients had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else? Doctor: No. We made our decision and now we just have to make the best of it. Sales Manager: Our new ad campaign isnt working and many people find it offensive, sales are decreasing, should we stop the campaign? Marketing Manager: No, we will stand by our decision no matter the consequences. Daughter: We're driving right into that wall Father: We should make the best of- *crash* | |||
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"I cant believe people thought we would waltz out of europe jettison the bad and keep the good. I personally voted to stay in...the unfortubate thing is, it will take 15 - 20 years before we see who was right But the vote is the vote and we need to crack on and make it work Here's an intelligent post
No its not, its mindless and senseless. Apply that logic to any other situation.
Nurse: The patients had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else?
Doctor: No. We made our decision and now we just have to make the best of it.
Sales Manager: Our new ad campaign isnt working and many people find it offensive, sales are decreasing, should we stop the campaign?
Marketing Manager: No, we will stand by our decision no matter the consequences.
Daughter: We're driving right into that wall
Father: We should make the best of- *crash*"
Not comparable.
Brexit is going ahead, the EU won't allow a u-turn. | |||
"I cant believe people thought we would waltz out of europe jettison the bad and keep the good. I personally voted to stay in...the unfortubate thing is, it will take 15 - 20 years before we see who was right But the vote is the vote and we need to crack on and make it work Here's an intelligent post
No its not, its mindless and senseless. Apply that logic to any other situation.
Nurse: The patients had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else?
Doctor: No. We made our decision and now we just have to make the best of it.
Sales Manager: Our new ad campaign isnt working and many people find it offensive, sales are decreasing, should we stop the campaign?
Marketing Manager: No, we will stand by our decision no matter the consequences.
Daughter: We're driving right into that wall
Father: We should make the best of- *crash*
Not comparable.
Brexit is going ahead, the EU won't allow a u-turn."Both Germany and France have said that they would allow a u turn, so have Ireland. No one has come out and said a u turn wouldnt be allowed. It can be stopped whenever. | |||
"I cant believe people thought we would waltz out of europe jettison the bad and keep the good. I personally voted to stay in...the unfortubate thing is, it will take 15 - 20 years before we see who was right But the vote is the vote and we need to crack on and make it work Here's an intelligent post
No its not, its mindless and senseless. Apply that logic to any other situation.
Nurse: The patients had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else?
Doctor: No. We made our decision and now we just have to make the best of it.
Sales Manager: Our new ad campaign isnt working and many people find it offensive, sales are decreasing, should we stop the campaign?
Marketing Manager: No, we will stand by our decision no matter the consequences.
Daughter: We're driving right into that wall
Father: We should make the best of- *crash*
Not comparable.
Brexit is going ahead, the EU won't allow a u-turn.
Both Germany and France have said that they would allow a u turn, so have Ireland. No one has come out and said a u turn wouldnt be allowed.
It can be stopped whenever."The president of the EU stated some time ago there will be no u-turn. It was a televised speech. Or has he done a u-turn on that? | |||
"I cant believe people thought we would waltz out of europe jettison the bad and keep the good. I personally voted to stay in...the unfortubate thing is, it will take 15 - 20 years before we see who was right But the vote is the vote and we need to crack on and make it work Here's an intelligent post
No its not, its mindless and senseless. Apply that logic to any other situation.
Nurse: The patients had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else?
Doctor: No. We made our decision and now we just have to make the best of it.
Sales Manager: Our new ad campaign isnt working and many people find it offensive, sales are decreasing, should we stop the campaign?
Marketing Manager: No, we will stand by our decision no matter the consequences.
Daughter: We're driving right into that wall
Father: We should make the best of- *crash*
Not comparable.
Brexit is going ahead, the EU won't allow a u-turn.
Both Germany and France have said that they would allow a u turn, so have Ireland. No one has come out and said a u turn wouldnt be allowed.
It can be stopped whenever.
The president of the EU stated some time ago there will be no u-turn. It was a televised speech.
Or has he done a u-turn on that? "Tusk, Tajani and Juncker have all said that they would welcome a reversal on Brexit. They may have said that they didnt believe there was going to be a reversal but none of them have ruled out the possibility if Britain asked. | |||
"I cant believe people thought we would waltz out of europe jettison the bad and keep the good. I personally voted to stay in...the unfortubate thing is, it will take 15 - 20 years before we see who was right But the vote is the vote and we need to crack on and make it work Here's an intelligent post
No its not, its mindless and senseless. Apply that logic to any other situation.
Nurse: The patients had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else?
Doctor: No. We made our decision and now we just have to make the best of it.
Sales Manager: Our new ad campaign isnt working and many people find it offensive, sales are decreasing, should we stop the campaign?
Marketing Manager: No, we will stand by our decision no matter the consequences.
Daughter: We're driving right into that wall
Father: We should make the best of- *crash*
Not comparable.
Brexit is going ahead, the EU won't allow a u-turn.
Both Germany and France have said that they would allow a u turn, so have Ireland. No one has come out and said a u turn wouldnt be allowed.
It can be stopped whenever.
The president of the EU stated some time ago there will be no u-turn. It was a televised speech.
Or has he done a u-turn on that?
Tusk, Tajani and Juncker have all said that they would welcome a reversal on Brexit. They may have said that they didnt believe there was going to be a reversal but none of them have ruled out the possibility if Britain asked."That doesn't answer my question. Are you a politician?  | |||
"I cant believe people thought we would waltz out of europe jettison the bad and keep the good. I personally voted to stay in...the unfortubate thing is, it will take 15 - 20 years before we see who was right But the vote is the vote and we need to crack on and make it work Here's an intelligent post
No its not, its mindless and senseless. Apply that logic to any other situation.
Nurse: The patients had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else?
Doctor: No. We made our decision and now we just have to make the best of it.
Sales Manager: Our new ad campaign isnt working and many people find it offensive, sales are decreasing, should we stop the campaign?
Marketing Manager: No, we will stand by our decision no matter the consequences.
Daughter: We're driving right into that wall
Father: We should make the best of- *crash*
Not comparable.
Brexit is going ahead, the EU won't allow a u-turn.
Both Germany and France have said that they would allow a u turn, so have Ireland. No one has come out and said a u turn wouldnt be allowed.
It can be stopped whenever.
The president of the EU stated some time ago there will be no u-turn. It was a televised speech.
Or has he done a u-turn on that?
Tusk, Tajani and Juncker have all said that they would welcome a reversal on Brexit. They may have said that they didnt believe there was going to be a reversal but none of them have ruled out the possibility if Britain asked.
That doesn't answer my question. Are you a politician? "I don't believe that anyone from the EU has said that it's irreversible. The British guy who wrote article 50 says it's reversible. If you think that sla senior EU official has said that, I would love to see it. Maybe you can provide us a link? | |||
"I cant believe people thought we would waltz out of europe jettison the bad and keep the good. I personally voted to stay in...the unfortubate thing is, it will take 15 - 20 years before we see who was right But the vote is the vote and we need to crack on and make it work Here's an intelligent post
No its not, its mindless and senseless. Apply that logic to any other situation.
Nurse: The patients had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else?
Doctor: No. We made our decision and now we just have to make the best of it.
Sales Manager: Our new ad campaign isnt working and many people find it offensive, sales are decreasing, should we stop the campaign?
Marketing Manager: No, we will stand by our decision no matter the consequences.
Daughter: We're driving right into that wall
Father: We should make the best of- *crash*
Not comparable.
Brexit is going ahead, the EU won't allow a u-turn.
Both Germany and France have said that they would allow a u turn, so have Ireland. No one has come out and said a u turn wouldnt be allowed.
It can be stopped whenever.
The president of the EU stated some time ago there will be no u-turn. It was a televised speech.
Or has he done a u-turn on that?
Tusk, Tajani and Juncker have all said that they would welcome a reversal on Brexit. They may have said that they didnt believe there was going to be a reversal but none of them have ruled out the possibility if Britain asked.
That doesn't answer my question. Are you a politician?
I don't believe that anyone from the EU has said that it's irreversible. The British guy who wrote article 50 says it's reversible. If you think that sla senior EU official has said that, I would love to see it. Maybe you can provide us a link? "Good lord no. It was one of the rare times i was watching the news or a snippet of it. | |||
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"I cant believe people thought we would waltz out of europe jettison the bad and keep the good. I personally voted to stay in...the unfortubate thing is, it will take 15 - 20 years before we see who was right But the vote is the vote and we need to crack on and make it work Here's an intelligent post
No its not, its mindless and senseless. Apply that logic to any other situation.
Nurse: The patients had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else?
Doctor: No. We made our decision and now we just have to make the best of it "I don't quite see it like that. Using your Doctor/nurse analogy could be comparable to a patient in chemotherapy. Nurse: The patient has had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else. Doctor: No the EU is a cancer, and we have made our decision and have to stick with it. The chemotherapy/Brexit will give some short term pain but it is absolutely necessary to cure the patient and get rid of the cancer for the long term benefit/well being of the patient. | |||
"I cant believe people thought we would waltz out of europe jettison the bad and keep the good. I personally voted to stay in...the unfortubate thing is, it will take 15 - 20 years before we see who was right But the vote is the vote and we need to crack on and make it work Here's an intelligent post
No its not, its mindless and senseless. Apply that logic to any other situation.
Nurse: The patients had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else?
Doctor: No. We made our decision and now we just have to make the best of it
I don't quite see it like that. Using your Doctor/nurse analogy could be comparable to a patient in chemotherapy.
Nurse: The patient has had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else.
Doctor: No the EU is a cancer, and we have made our decision and have to stick with it. The chemotherapy/Brexit will give some short term pain but it is absolutely necessary to cure the patient and get rid of the cancer for the long term benefit/well being of the patient. "Weren't you complaining the other day about all the countries lining up to join the EU? I don't usually see people trying to get cancer | |||
"I cant believe people thought we would waltz out of europe jettison the bad and keep the good. I personally voted to stay in...the unfortubate thing is, it will take 15 - 20 years before we see who was right But the vote is the vote and we need to crack on and make it work Here's an intelligent post
No its not, its mindless and senseless. Apply that logic to any other situation.
Nurse: The patients had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else?
Doctor: No. We made our decision and now we just have to make the best of it
I don't quite see it like that. Using your Doctor/nurse analogy could be comparable to a patient in chemotherapy.
Nurse: The patient has had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else.
Doctor: No the EU is a cancer, and we have made our decision and have to stick with it. The chemotherapy/Brexit will give some short term pain but it is absolutely necessary to cure the patient and get rid of the cancer for the long term benefit/well being of the patient. "Except theres no basis for a positive long term prognosis. Just vague statements of "there'll be great deals that will somehow be better for Britain despite their weaker negotiating position....." You do realise that Britains negotiating position with almost every other trade deal will be as weak as the their position with the EU. Those deals in the future will be worse. | |||
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"I cant believe people thought we would waltz out of europe jettison the bad and keep the good. I personally voted to stay in...the unfortubate thing is, it will take 15 - 20 years before we see who was right But the vote is the vote and we need to crack on and make it work Here's an intelligent post
No its not, its mindless and senseless. Apply that logic to any other situation.
Nurse: The patients had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else?
Doctor: No. We made our decision and now we just have to make the best of it
I don't quite see it like that. Using your Doctor/nurse analogy could be comparable to a patient in chemotherapy.
Nurse: The patient has had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else.
Doctor: No the EU is a cancer, and we have made our decision and have to stick with it. The chemotherapy/Brexit will give some short term pain but it is absolutely necessary to cure the patient and get rid of the cancer for the long term benefit/well being of the patient.
Weren't you complaining the other day about all the countries lining up to join the EU? I don't usually see people trying to get cancer "I think he's pissed off the UK is not part of the cool table. | |||
"At least we will be out when it collapses... Love the way the EU has come out in support of Spain beating Catalonians... EU and democracy are alien concepts..." You really don't get it... The EU is not supporting Spain by saying that the Catalonia question is an internal matter for Spain and is not an issue for the EU to comment on. The EU is stating the EU's position as laid down in the multiple treaties that form the EU constitution. As for us being out when the EU collapsed it is our economy that is in decline not the EU. Since the brexit result our economy has stalled, we have the smallest growth in the G8 and in the EU. Even Greece is now out preforming us! So please stop believing everything the scum, fail, excess and torygraph tell you and do a little fact checking before making such inaccurate statements. | |||
"At least we will be out when it collapses... Love the way the EU has come out in support of Spain beating Catalonians... EU and democracy are alien concepts... You really don't get it... The EU is not supporting Spain by saying that the Catalonia question is an internal matter for Spain and is not an issue for the EU to comment on. The EU is stating the EU's position as laid down in the multiple treaties that form the EU constitution. As for us being out when the EU collapsed it is our economy that is in decline not the EU. Since the brexit result our economy has stalled, we have the smallest growth in the G8 and in the EU. Even Greece is now out preforming us! So please stop believing everything the scum, fail, excess and torygraph tell you and do a little fact checking before making such inaccurate statements. " They don't condemn the violence either... The EU are power hungry and will stop at nothing to get what they want. We were taken into the EU by lying politicians and the sooner we are out the better. I bet you are also taken in by Corbyn and his lies... Funny how you have to use derogatory terms to label the press you disagree with, this just goes to show how intolerant the tolerant left are... | |||
"They don't condemn the violence either... The EU are power hungry and will stop at nothing to get what they want. We were taken into the EU by lying politicians and the sooner we are out the better. I bet you are also taken in by Corbyn and his lies... Funny how you have to use derogatory terms to label the press you disagree with, this just goes to show how intolerant the tolerant left are..." That's right they don't condemn the violence either. Same as they did not condemn the violence when Thatcher ordered police to attack miners during the 84 miners strike. Or when Thatcher ordered the SAS to assassinate members of the provos on Gibraltar in 88. The EU do not interfere or comment on member states internal security issues. If there is a legal issue to be dealt with that is done by the European Court of Justice. No I generally am not taken in by political rhetoric, however I do think Jeremy Corybn is the best chance we have of ameliorating our current position. As for the insulting names I call those 4 fascist rags. Let me remind you that the rag that claimed Liverpool fans caused the Hillsborough disaster and stole from the dead bodies was the scum, and that its sister paper the news of the screws (now rebranded as the scum on sunday) hacked Milly Dowler's phone! The fail is the paper that supported the Nazis and Mosley's black shirts in the 30's and now is the cheerleader for every homophobic, xenophobic and fascist cause in this country. Of course the excess is never the first to poke its head over the parapet but is quick to pick up and gauntlet thrown down by the first two I mentioned and promptly inflate it! As for the torygraph it is just a mouthpiece for the tory party. I bet it will be championing May today proclaiming her a visionary whose policy announcements on an energy cap and building new social housing are the epitome of a caring conservative government listening to the people. I equally bet that when JC made a promise that he would do the same last week the torygraph labelled it economic madness and Communism. So with all due respect I stand by my original statement regarding those 4 rags (I would not call them arse rags because in my opinion they not even fit to be used for that purpose). | |||
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"I cant believe people thought we would waltz out of europe jettison the bad and keep the good. I personally voted to stay in...the unfortubate thing is, it will take 15 - 20 years before we see who was right But the vote is the vote and we need to crack on and make it work Here's an intelligent post
No its not, its mindless and senseless. Apply that logic to any other situation.
Nurse: The patients had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else?
Doctor: No. We made our decision and now we just have to make the best of it
I don't quite see it like that. Using your Doctor/nurse analogy could be comparable to a patient in chemotherapy.
Nurse: The patient has had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else.
Doctor: No the EU is a cancer, and we have made our decision and have to stick with it. The chemotherapy/Brexit will give some short term pain but it is absolutely necessary to cure the patient and get rid of the cancer for the long term benefit/well being of the patient.
Weren't you complaining the other day about all the countries lining up to join the EU? I don't usually see people trying to get cancer
I think he's pissed off the UK is not part of the cool table. "Lol, I really wouldn't call Macedonia, Albania, Serbia and Montenegro joining the EU cool. | |||
" Lol, I really wouldn't call Macedonia, Albania, Serbia and Montenegro joining the EU cool. "so what have you got against those countries...... and your nurse/patient analogy doesn't work... because it would be more like this.... Nurse: The patient has had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else. cool... we know that if we make minor adjustments the problem would be solved... Doctor: sod that... Cut it off, Amputate!!!!! Nurse: but is only a bruise knee... or a cut on my ankle... Doctor: no.... Cut off the entire leg!!!!! | |||
"The EU is always going to come down on the side of Spain. The last thing the EU needs right now is Catalexit." So much for democracy then! | |||
"I cant believe people thought we would waltz out of europe jettison the bad and keep the good. I personally voted to stay in...the unfortubate thing is, it will take 15 - 20 years before we see who was right But the vote is the vote and we need to crack on and make it work Here's an intelligent post
No its not, its mindless and senseless. Apply that logic to any other situation.
Nurse: The patients had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else?
Doctor: No. We made our decision and now we just have to make the best of it
I don't quite see it like that. Using your Doctor/nurse analogy could be comparable to a patient in chemotherapy.
Nurse: The patient has had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else.
Doctor: No the EU is a cancer, and we have made our decision and have to stick with it. The chemotherapy/Brexit will give some short term pain but it is absolutely necessary to cure the patient and get rid of the cancer for the long term benefit/well being of the patient.
Weren't you complaining the other day about all the countries lining up to join the EU? I don't usually see people trying to get cancer
I think he's pissed off the UK is not part of the cool table.
Lol, I really wouldn't call Macedonia, Albania, Serbia and Montenegro joining the EU cool. "Why wouldn't YOU call them coo....maybe because they dont speak English or are a slightly different colour than us or wrap themselves up in flags on marches etc etc.... | |||
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"I cant believe people thought we would waltz out of europe jettison the bad and keep the good. I personally voted to stay in...the unfortubate thing is, it will take 15 - 20 years before we see who was right But the vote is the vote and we need to crack on and make it work Here's an intelligent post
No its not, its mindless and senseless. Apply that logic to any other situation.
Nurse: The patients had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else?
Doctor: No. We made our decision and now we just have to make the best of it
I don't quite see it like that. Using your Doctor/nurse analogy could be comparable to a patient in chemotherapy.
Nurse: The patient has had some serious negative reactions to the medicine, should we switch to something else.
Doctor: No the EU is a cancer, and we have made our decision and have to stick with it. The chemotherapy/Brexit will give some short term pain but it is absolutely necessary to cure the patient and get rid of the cancer for the long term benefit/well being of the patient.
Weren't you complaining the other day about all the countries lining up to join the EU? I don't usually see people trying to get cancer
I think he's pissed off the UK is not part of the cool table.
Lol, I really wouldn't call Macedonia, Albania, Serbia and Montenegro joining the EU cool. "what’s your problem with theese countries your sounding like your bum chum farage more and more | |||
"They don't condemn the violence either... The EU are power hungry and will stop at nothing to get what they want. We were taken into the EU by lying politicians and the sooner we are out the better. I bet you are also taken in by Corbyn and his lies... Funny how you have to use derogatory terms to label the press you disagree with, this just goes to show how intolerant the tolerant left are... That's right they don't condemn the violence either. Same as they did not condemn the violence when Thatcher ordered police to attack miners during the 84 miners strike. Or when Thatcher ordered the SAS to assassinate members of the provos on Gibraltar in 88. The EU do not interfere or comment on member states internal security issues. If there is a legal issue to be dealt with that is done by the European Court of Justice. No I generally am not taken in by political rhetoric, however I do think Jeremy Corybn is the best chance we have of ameliorating our current position. As for the insulting names I call those 4 fascist rags. Let me remind you that the rag that claimed Liverpool fans caused the Hillsborough disaster and stole from the dead bodies was the scum, and that its sister paper the news of the screws (now rebranded as the scum on sunday) hacked Milly Dowler's phone! The fail is the paper that supported the Nazis and Mosley's black shirts in the 30's and now is the cheerleader for every homophobic, xenophobic and fascist cause in this country. Of course the excess is never the first to poke its head over the parapet but is quick to pick up and gauntlet thrown down by the first two I mentioned and promptly inflate it! As for the torygraph it is just a mouthpiece for the tory party. I bet it will be championing May today proclaiming her a visionary whose policy announcements on an energy cap and building new social housing are the epitome of a caring conservative government listening to the people. I equally bet that when JC made a promise that he would do the same last week the torygraph labelled it economic madness and Communism. So with all due respect I stand by my original statement regarding those 4 rags (I would not call them arse rags because in my opinion they not even fit to be used for that purpose)." There is a big difference between violent strikers, known terrorists and peaceful men and women going to vote... So you don't like a paper that supported Nazis decades ago but can support JC who currently supports oppressive and violent communist regimes... Typical left wing at the moment... Everyone is equal, everyone should be treated the same, every voice should be heard, fairness and balance for everyone. Oh you disagree with me. Die you fascist scum... If you think the EU or JC are the answer, you have swallowed their political rhetoric, hook, line and sinker... | |||
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"They don't condemn the violence either... The EU are power hungry and will stop at nothing to get what they want. We were taken into the EU by lying politicians and the sooner we are out the better. I bet you are also taken in by Corbyn and his lies... Funny how you have to use derogatory terms to label the press you disagree with, this just goes to show how intolerant the tolerant left are... That's right they don't condemn the violence either. Same as they did not condemn the violence when Thatcher ordered police to attack miners during the 84 miners strike. Or when Thatcher ordered the SAS to assassinate members of the provos on Gibraltar in 88. The EU do not interfere or comment on member states internal security issues. If there is a legal issue to be dealt with that is done by the European Court of Justice. No I generally am not taken in by political rhetoric, however I do think Jeremy Corybn is the best chance we have of ameliorating our current position. As for the insulting names I call those 4 fascist rags. Let me remind you that the rag that claimed Liverpool fans caused the Hillsborough disaster and stole from the dead bodies was the scum, and that its sister paper the news of the screws (now rebranded as the scum on sunday) hacked Milly Dowler's phone! The fail is the paper that supported the Nazis and Mosley's black shirts in the 30's and now is the cheerleader for every homophobic, xenophobic and fascist cause in this country. Of course the excess is never the first to poke its head over the parapet but is quick to pick up and gauntlet thrown down by the first two I mentioned and promptly inflate it! As for the torygraph it is just a mouthpiece for the tory party. I bet it will be championing May today proclaiming her a visionary whose policy announcements on an energy cap and building new social housing are the epitome of a caring conservative government listening to the people. I equally bet that when JC made a promise that he would do the same last week the torygraph labelled it economic madness and Communism. So with all due respect I stand by my original statement regarding those 4 rags (I would not call them arse rags because in my opinion they not even fit to be used for that purpose). There is a big difference between violent strikers, known terrorists and peaceful men and women going to vote... So you don't like a paper that supported Nazis decades ago but can support JC who currently supports oppressive and violent communist regimes... Typical left wing at the moment... Everyone is equal, everyone should be treated the same, every voice should be heard, fairness and balance for everyone. Oh you disagree with me. Die you fascist scum... If you think the EU or JC are the answer, you have swallowed their political rhetoric, hook, line and sinker... " The one thing all these "violent strikers, known terrorists and peaceful men and women going to vote..." have in common it was all illegal...according to there respective countries laws | |||
"At least we will be out when it collapses... Love the way the EU has come out in support of Spain beating Catalonians... EU and democracy are alien concepts..." ..Well said. | |||
"At least we will be out when it collapses... Love the way the EU has come out in support of Spain beating Catalonians... EU and democracy are alien concepts.....Well said." Not really, but curtain a popular sentiment among some. | |||
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"They don't condemn the violence either... The EU are power hungry and will stop at nothing to get what they want. We were taken into the EU by lying politicians and the sooner we are out the better. I bet you are also taken in by Corbyn and his lies... Funny how you have to use derogatory terms to label the press you disagree with, this just goes to show how intolerant the tolerant left are... That's right they don't condemn the violence either. Same as they did not condemn the violence when Thatcher ordered police to attack miners during the 84 miners strike. Or when Thatcher ordered the SAS to assassinate members of the provos on Gibraltar in 88. The EU do not interfere or comment on member states internal security issues. If there is a legal issue to be dealt with that is done by the European Court of Justice. No I generally am not taken in by political rhetoric, however I do think Jeremy Corybn is the best chance we have of ameliorating our current position. As for the insulting names I call those 4 fascist rags. Let me remind you that the rag that claimed Liverpool fans caused the Hillsborough disaster and stole from the dead bodies was the scum, and that its sister paper the news of the screws (now rebranded as the scum on sunday) hacked Milly Dowler's phone! The fail is the paper that supported the Nazis and Mosley's black shirts in the 30's and now is the cheerleader for every homophobic, xenophobic and fascist cause in this country. Of course the excess is never the first to poke its head over the parapet but is quick to pick up and gauntlet thrown down by the first two I mentioned and promptly inflate it! As for the torygraph it is just a mouthpiece for the tory party. I bet it will be championing May today proclaiming her a visionary whose policy announcements on an energy cap and building new social housing are the epitome of a caring conservative government listening to the people. I equally bet that when JC made a promise that he would do the same last week the torygraph labelled it economic madness and Communism. So with all due respect I stand by my original statement regarding those 4 rags (I would not call them arse rags because in my opinion they not even fit to be used for that purpose). There is a big difference between violent strikers, known terrorists and peaceful men and women going to vote... So you don't like a paper that supported Nazis decades ago but can support JC who currently supports oppressive and violent communist regimes... Typical left wing at the moment... Everyone is equal, everyone should be treated the same, every voice should be heard, fairness and balance for everyone. Oh you disagree with me. Die you fascist scum... If you think the EU or JC are the answer, you have swallowed their political rhetoric, hook, line and sinker... " JC protested against violent regimes. Maggie Thatcher had tea with dictators. Don't forget that. | |||
"They don't condemn the violence either... The EU are power hungry and will stop at nothing to get what they want. We were taken into the EU by lying politicians and the sooner we are out the better. I bet you are also taken in by Corbyn and his lies... Funny how you have to use derogatory terms to label the press you disagree with, this just goes to show how intolerant the tolerant left are... That's right they don't condemn the violence either. Same as they did not condemn the violence when Thatcher ordered police to attack miners during the 84 miners strike. Or when Thatcher ordered the SAS to assassinate members of the provos on Gibraltar in 88. The EU do not interfere or comment on member states internal security issues. If there is a legal issue to be dealt with that is done by the European Court of Justice. No I generally am not taken in by political rhetoric, however I do think Jeremy Corybn is the best chance we have of ameliorating our current position. As for the insulting names I call those 4 fascist rags. Let me remind you that the rag that claimed Liverpool fans caused the Hillsborough disaster and stole from the dead bodies was the scum, and that its sister paper the news of the screws (now rebranded as the scum on sunday) hacked Milly Dowler's phone! The fail is the paper that supported the Nazis and Mosley's black shirts in the 30's and now is the cheerleader for every homophobic, xenophobic and fascist cause in this country. Of course the excess is never the first to poke its head over the parapet but is quick to pick up and gauntlet thrown down by the first two I mentioned and promptly inflate it! As for the torygraph it is just a mouthpiece for the tory party. I bet it will be championing May today proclaiming her a visionary whose policy announcements on an energy cap and building new social housing are the epitome of a caring conservative government listening to the people. I equally bet that when JC made a promise that he would do the same last week the torygraph labelled it economic madness and Communism. So with all due respect I stand by my original statement regarding those 4 rags (I would not call them arse rags because in my opinion they not even fit to be used for that purpose). There is a big difference between violent strikers, known terrorists and peaceful men and women going to vote... So you don't like a paper that supported Nazis decades ago but can support JC who currently supports oppressive and violent communist regimes... Typical left wing at the moment... Everyone is equal, everyone should be treated the same, every voice should be heard, fairness and balance for everyone. Oh you disagree with me. Die you fascist scum... If you think the EU or JC are the answer, you have swallowed their political rhetoric, hook, line and sinker... JC protested against violent regimes. Maggie Thatcher had tea with dictators. Don't forget that. " And he still supports dictatorships and terrorists... | |||
"They don't condemn the violence either... The EU are power hungry and will stop at nothing to get what they want. We were taken into the EU by lying politicians and the sooner we are out the better. I bet you are also taken in by Corbyn and his lies... Funny how you have to use derogatory terms to label the press you disagree with, this just goes to show how intolerant the tolerant left are... That's right they don't condemn the violence either. Same as they did not condemn the violence when Thatcher ordered police to attack miners during the 84 miners strike. Or when Thatcher ordered the SAS to assassinate members of the provos on Gibraltar in 88. The EU do not interfere or comment on member states internal security issues. If there is a legal issue to be dealt with that is done by the European Court of Justice. No I generally am not taken in by political rhetoric, however I do think Jeremy Corybn is the best chance we have of ameliorating our current position. As for the insulting names I call those 4 fascist rags. Let me remind you that the rag that claimed Liverpool fans caused the Hillsborough disaster and stole from the dead bodies was the scum, and that its sister paper the news of the screws (now rebranded as the scum on sunday) hacked Milly Dowler's phone! The fail is the paper that supported the Nazis and Mosley's black shirts in the 30's and now is the cheerleader for every homophobic, xenophobic and fascist cause in this country. Of course the excess is never the first to poke its head over the parapet but is quick to pick up and gauntlet thrown down by the first two I mentioned and promptly inflate it! As for the torygraph it is just a mouthpiece for the tory party. I bet it will be championing May today proclaiming her a visionary whose policy announcements on an energy cap and building new social housing are the epitome of a caring conservative government listening to the people. I equally bet that when JC made a promise that he would do the same last week the torygraph labelled it economic madness and Communism. So with all due respect I stand by my original statement regarding those 4 rags (I would not call them arse rags because in my opinion they not even fit to be used for that purpose). There is a big difference between violent strikers, known terrorists and peaceful men and women going to vote... So you don't like a paper that supported Nazis decades ago but can support JC who currently supports oppressive and violent communist regimes... Typical left wing at the moment... Everyone is equal, everyone should be treated the same, every voice should be heard, fairness and balance for everyone. Oh you disagree with me. Die you fascist scum... If you think the EU or JC are the answer, you have swallowed their political rhetoric, hook, line and sinker... JC protested against violent regimes. Maggie Thatcher had tea with dictators. Don't forget that. And he still supports dictatorships and terrorists..." Who would they be...provide your sources please | |||
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"They don't condemn the violence either... The EU are power hungry and will stop at nothing to get what they want. We were taken into the EU by lying politicians and the sooner we are out the better. I bet you are also taken in by Corbyn and his lies... Funny how you have to use derogatory terms to label the press you disagree with, this just goes to show how intolerant the tolerant left are... That's right they don't condemn the violence either. Same as they did not condemn the violence when Thatcher ordered police to attack miners during the 84 miners strike. Or when Thatcher ordered the SAS to assassinate members of the provos on Gibraltar in 88. The EU do not interfere or comment on member states internal security issues. If there is a legal issue to be dealt with that is done by the European Court of Justice. No I generally am not taken in by political rhetoric, however I do think Jeremy Corybn is the best chance we have of ameliorating our current position. As for the insulting names I call those 4 fascist rags. Let me remind you that the rag that claimed Liverpool fans caused the Hillsborough disaster and stole from the dead bodies was the scum, and that its sister paper the news of the screws (now rebranded as the scum on sunday) hacked Milly Dowler's phone! The fail is the paper that supported the Nazis and Mosley's black shirts in the 30's and now is the cheerleader for every homophobic, xenophobic and fascist cause in this country. Of course the excess is never the first to poke its head over the parapet but is quick to pick up and gauntlet thrown down by the first two I mentioned and promptly inflate it! As for the torygraph it is just a mouthpiece for the tory party. I bet it will be championing May today proclaiming her a visionary whose policy announcements on an energy cap and building new social housing are the epitome of a caring conservative government listening to the people. I equally bet that when JC made a promise that he would do the same last week the torygraph labelled it economic madness and Communism. So with all due respect I stand by my original statement regarding those 4 rags (I would not call them arse rags because in my opinion they not even fit to be used for that purpose). There is a big difference between violent strikers, known terrorists and peaceful men and women going to vote... So you don't like a paper that supported Nazis decades ago but can support JC who currently supports oppressive and violent communist regimes... Typical left wing at the moment... Everyone is equal, everyone should be treated the same, every voice should be heard, fairness and balance for everyone. Oh you disagree with me. Die you fascist scum... If you think the EU or JC are the answer, you have swallowed their political rhetoric, hook, line and sinker... JC protested against violent regimes. Maggie Thatcher had tea with dictators. Don't forget that. And he still supports dictatorships and terrorists... Who would they be...provide your sources please" Venezuela... Source, JC... | |||
"They don't condemn the violence either... The EU are power hungry and will stop at nothing to get what they want. We were taken into the EU by lying politicians and the sooner we are out the better. I bet you are also taken in by Corbyn and his lies... Funny how you have to use derogatory terms to label the press you disagree with, this just goes to show how intolerant the tolerant left are... That's right they don't condemn the violence either. Same as they did not condemn the violence when Thatcher ordered police to attack miners during the 84 miners strike. Or when Thatcher ordered the SAS to assassinate members of the provos on Gibraltar in 88. The EU do not interfere or comment on member states internal security issues. If there is a legal issue to be dealt with that is done by the European Court of Justice. No I generally am not taken in by political rhetoric, however I do think Jeremy Corybn is the best chance we have of ameliorating our current position. As for the insulting names I call those 4 fascist rags. Let me remind you that the rag that claimed Liverpool fans caused the Hillsborough disaster and stole from the dead bodies was the scum, and that its sister paper the news of the screws (now rebranded as the scum on sunday) hacked Milly Dowler's phone! The fail is the paper that supported the Nazis and Mosley's black shirts in the 30's and now is the cheerleader for every homophobic, xenophobic and fascist cause in this country. Of course the excess is never the first to poke its head over the parapet but is quick to pick up and gauntlet thrown down by the first two I mentioned and promptly inflate it! As for the torygraph it is just a mouthpiece for the tory party. I bet it will be championing May today proclaiming her a visionary whose policy announcements on an energy cap and building new social housing are the epitome of a caring conservative government listening to the people. I equally bet that when JC made a promise that he would do the same last week the torygraph labelled it economic madness and Communism. So with all due respect I stand by my original statement regarding those 4 rags (I would not call them arse rags because in my opinion they not even fit to be used for that purpose). There is a big difference between violent strikers, known terrorists and peaceful men and women going to vote... So you don't like a paper that supported Nazis decades ago but can support JC who currently supports oppressive and violent communist regimes... Typical left wing at the moment... Everyone is equal, everyone should be treated the same, every voice should be heard, fairness and balance for everyone. Oh you disagree with me. Die you fascist scum... If you think the EU or JC are the answer, you have swallowed their political rhetoric, hook, line and sinker... JC protested against violent regimes. Maggie Thatcher had tea with dictators. Don't forget that. And he still supports dictatorships and terrorists... Who would they be...provide your sources please Venezuela... Source, JC... " Nah he dosent | |||
"They don't condemn the violence either... The EU are power hungry and will stop at nothing to get what they want. We were taken into the EU by lying politicians and the sooner we are out the better. I bet you are also taken in by Corbyn and his lies... Funny how you have to use derogatory terms to label the press you disagree with, this just goes to show how intolerant the tolerant left are... That's right they don't condemn the violence either. Same as they did not condemn the violence when Thatcher ordered police to attack miners during the 84 miners strike. Or when Thatcher ordered the SAS to assassinate members of the provos on Gibraltar in 88. The EU do not interfere or comment on member states internal security issues. If there is a legal issue to be dealt with that is done by the European Court of Justice. No I generally am not taken in by political rhetoric, however I do think Jeremy Corybn is the best chance we have of ameliorating our current position. As for the insulting names I call those 4 fascist rags. Let me remind you that the rag that claimed Liverpool fans caused the Hillsborough disaster and stole from the dead bodies was the scum, and that its sister paper the news of the screws (now rebranded as the scum on sunday) hacked Milly Dowler's phone! The fail is the paper that supported the Nazis and Mosley's black shirts in the 30's and now is the cheerleader for every homophobic, xenophobic and fascist cause in this country. Of course the excess is never the first to poke its head over the parapet but is quick to pick up and gauntlet thrown down by the first two I mentioned and promptly inflate it! As for the torygraph it is just a mouthpiece for the tory party. I bet it will be championing May today proclaiming her a visionary whose policy announcements on an energy cap and building new social housing are the epitome of a caring conservative government listening to the people. I equally bet that when JC made a promise that he would do the same last week the torygraph labelled it economic madness and Communism. So with all due respect I stand by my original statement regarding those 4 rags (I would not call them arse rags because in my opinion they not even fit to be used for that purpose). There is a big difference between violent strikers, known terrorists and peaceful men and women going to vote... So you don't like a paper that supported Nazis decades ago but can support JC who currently supports oppressive and violent communist regimes... Typical left wing at the moment... Everyone is equal, everyone should be treated the same, every voice should be heard, fairness and balance for everyone. Oh you disagree with me. Die you fascist scum... If you think the EU or JC are the answer, you have swallowed their political rhetoric, hook, line and sinker... JC protested against violent regimes. Maggie Thatcher had tea with dictators. Don't forget that. And he still supports dictatorships and terrorists... Who would they be...provide your sources please Venezuela... Source, JC... Nah he dosent " That's ok then... | |||
"They don't condemn the violence either... The EU are power hungry and will stop at nothing to get what they want. We were taken into the EU by lying politicians and the sooner we are out the better. I bet you are also taken in by Corbyn and his lies... Funny how you have to use derogatory terms to label the press you disagree with, this just goes to show how intolerant the tolerant left are... That's right they don't condemn the violence either. Same as they did not condemn the violence when Thatcher ordered police to attack miners during the 84 miners strike. Or when Thatcher ordered the SAS to assassinate members of the provos on Gibraltar in 88. The EU do not interfere or comment on member states internal security issues. If there is a legal issue to be dealt with that is done by the European Court of Justice. No I generally am not taken in by political rhetoric, however I do think Jeremy Corybn is the best chance we have of ameliorating our current position. As for the insulting names I call those 4 fascist rags. Let me remind you that the rag that claimed Liverpool fans caused the Hillsborough disaster and stole from the dead bodies was the scum, and that its sister paper the news of the screws (now rebranded as the scum on sunday) hacked Milly Dowler's phone! The fail is the paper that supported the Nazis and Mosley's black shirts in the 30's and now is the cheerleader for every homophobic, xenophobic and fascist cause in this country. Of course the excess is never the first to poke its head over the parapet but is quick to pick up and gauntlet thrown down by the first two I mentioned and promptly inflate it! As for the torygraph it is just a mouthpiece for the tory party. I bet it will be championing May today proclaiming her a visionary whose policy announcements on an energy cap and building new social housing are the epitome of a caring conservative government listening to the people. I equally bet that when JC made a promise that he would do the same last week the torygraph labelled it economic madness and Communism. So with all due respect I stand by my original statement regarding those 4 rags (I would not call them arse rags because in my opinion they not even fit to be used for that purpose). There is a big difference between violent strikers, known terrorists and peaceful men and women going to vote... So you don't like a paper that supported Nazis decades ago but can support JC who currently supports oppressive and violent communist regimes... Typical left wing at the moment... Everyone is equal, everyone should be treated the same, every voice should be heard, fairness and balance for everyone. Oh you disagree with me. Die you fascist scum... If you think the EU or JC are the answer, you have swallowed their political rhetoric, hook, line and sinker... JC protested against violent regimes. Maggie Thatcher had tea with dictators. Don't forget that. And he still supports dictatorships and terrorists... Who would they be...provide your sources please Venezuela... Source, JC... " If Venezuela an issue why has the media stop covering it? Venezuela is an exact replica of Chile. The US is trying to overthrow it. Using media to turn everyone against it. Attempting to buy people in the inside to overthrow it. The difference between Chile and Venezuela is in Venezuela the military supports their leader. But it's ok for Thatcher to have tea with a dictator that was arrested in the UK. | |||
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