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Streamlining election voting.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Why can't we keep it nice and simple with three parties...A left,a right and a center?? Don't get me wrong, I understand everyone has a democratic right, however We need to do away with these small parties that have no chance of winning anything and absorbing valuable votes...All of the small parties(for example the greens) can apply their ethos and ideas in one if not all three wings. Or am I just stupid???  |
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Funny how restricting democracy is the favoured suggestion for the most part...
For my part I would like to see democracy expanded with a PR system with an option of voting for none of them and a legal requirement that all vote.
Will never happen while political office is seen as a way to personal power and wealth rather than a civic duty and responsibility where to people and country come before all else. |
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"Why can't we keep it nice and simple with three parties...A left,a right and a center?? Don't get me wrong, I understand everyone has a democratic right, however We need to do away with these small parties that have no chance of winning anything and absorbing valuable votes...All of the small parties(for example the greens) can apply their ethos and ideas in one if not all three wings. Or am I just stupid??? "
Im a green voter.Yes you are stupid for sure....They are the only party who gives a flying fuck about earth. |
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Surely the point is that democracy, or what we take for democracy, is too streamlined already.
Marx said that under bourgeois democracy we have the choice, once every 5 years, to choose which members of the ruling class are going to rule us for the next 5 years.
Streamlining democracy is a clear route to fascism and totalitarianism. We should be seeking to extend democracy. Shorter parliaments. Recall and deselection of MPs where they don't follow the constituents wishes. True industrial democracy where all aspects of society, from local councils to workplaces have democracy.
So no, don't streamline, do extend. |
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"Funny how restricting democracy is the favoured suggestion for the most part...
For my part I would like to see democracy expanded with a PR system with an option of voting for none of them and a legal requirement that all vote.
Will never happen while political office is seen as a way to personal power and wealth rather than a civic duty and responsibility where to people and country come before all else. "
"...political office is seen as a way to personal power and wealth..."
With an average salary of £75,000 for MPs and relative obscurity for most politicians I really don't think that most are in it for personal power and wealth. |
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Left, right and centre are just simple abstract concepts that don't reflect the complexities of life - they're a relic of the past to some extent but neatly fit a requirement that some have for a type of infantilisation.
Often new and smaller parties arise because of unaddressed needs, perhaps very focused such as regional flavours.
The Green party should probably be holding the majority in government now, as their focus is the most important aspect of our times. Unfortunately people tend to be led by the very short term motivations that we have.
And to a great extent the major parties are enabling the status quo, the incredibly wealthy wreaking havoc for their own gains, with the majority enslaved within their system that fucks them simultaneously.
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"Left, right and centre are just simple abstract concepts that don't reflect the complexities of life - they're a relic of the past to some extent but neatly fit a requirement that some have for a type of infantilisation.
Often new and smaller parties arise because of unaddressed needs, perhaps very focused such as regional flavours.
The Green party should probably be holding the majority in government now, as their focus is the most important aspect of our times. Unfortunately people tend to be led by the very short term motivations that we have.
And to a great extent the major parties are enabling the status quo, the incredibly wealthy wreaking havoc for their own gains, with the majority enslaved within their system that fucks them simultaneously.
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Your absolutely right. What difference does brexit or any goverment policy matter. When we are on the verge of collapsing our ecosystem and making the only home we've ever known uninhabitable.It the biggest problem we will ever face as a species. |
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"With an average salary of £75,000 for MPs and relative obscurity for most politicians I really don't think that most are in it for personal power and wealth."
I really dont know where you get that figure from. True the basic pay of an MP is £74,962, but then there are the (income tax and NI free) extras...
Accommodation Expenses
London area (rent) £20,610
Own home* £8,850
Caring responsibility (per dependent) £2,425
London Area Living Payment £3,760
London Area Living Payment (addition) £1,330
Staffing Expenditure
London Area MPs £148,500
non-London Area MPs £141,400
Office Costs Expenditure
London Area MPs £26,100
non-London Area MPs £23,450
Start-up Expenditure £6,000
Winding-up Expenditure
London Area MPs £57,150
non-London Area MPs £53,950
* available to Members who own their own home, to cover costs
such as utility bills and council tax.
Then of course there are all those who get enhanced pay.
The PM and Cabinet ministers, 30 odd of them) the opposition equivalents another 30 odd, the government and opposition Chief Whips and deputy whips, all the chairs of parliamentary sub committees, all under secretaries of state, all law officers and the Speaker.
Now why dont you do some sums just on the expenses remembering that virtually all MP's employ their significant other and claim every penny they can and then come back and tell me on average MP's only earn £75,000 (and I have not even mentioned what they earn in outside interests!). |
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"Don't MPs get a certain amount of travel perks as well?"
Yep, and free holidays, ah no I forget sightseeing trips to Australia, USA Japan, China and wherever else are 'fact finding tours' not jolly junkets at the taxpayers expense. |
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"And don't forget the subsidized bars and restaurants in the Houses of Parliament.
Next PMQs is September 6th, so assume they are all off on the hols for next 5 weeks!"
No...
They are fact finding tours of our international partners countries to promote business and cultural understanding. Of course on such grueling trips it is only right that the MP's need to bring their families... sorry administrative support. |
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"Left, right and centre are just simple abstract concepts that don't reflect the complexities of life - they're a relic of the past to some extent but neatly fit a requirement that some have for a type of infantilisation.
Often new and smaller parties arise because of unaddressed needs, perhaps very focused such as regional flavours.
The Green party should probably be holding the majority in government now, as their focus is the most important aspect of our times. Unfortunately people tend to be led by the very short term motivations that we have.
And to a great extent the major parties are enabling the status quo, the incredibly wealthy wreaking havoc for their own gains, with the majority enslaved within their system that fucks them simultaneously.
Your absolutely right. What difference does brexit or any goverment policy matter. When we are on the verge of collapsing our ecosystem and making the only home we've ever known uninhabitable.It the biggest problem we will ever face as a species. "
Can i ask what the greens intend to do about over population because thats a far greater risk in our lifetimes than climate change |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Left, right and centre are just simple abstract concepts that don't reflect the complexities of life - they're a relic of the past to some extent but neatly fit a requirement that some have for a type of infantilisation.
Often new and smaller parties arise because of unaddressed needs, perhaps very focused such as regional flavours.
The Green party should probably be holding the majority in government now, as their focus is the most important aspect of our times. Unfortunately people tend to be led by the very short term motivations that we have.
And to a great extent the major parties are enabling the status quo, the incredibly wealthy wreaking havoc for their own gains, with the majority enslaved within their system that fucks them simultaneously.
Your absolutely right. What difference does brexit or any goverment policy matter. When we are on the verge of collapsing our ecosystem and making the only home we've ever known uninhabitable.It the biggest problem we will ever face as a species.
Can i ask what the greens intend to do about over population because thats a far greater risk in our lifetimes than climate change"
Over population will be solved by climate change.Most humans wont survive the looming extinction event.
I think only the Chinese have ever addressed over population. No other party or country has attempted to reduce the population as far as i know .We can have a large population but we have to completely change our diet and lifestyle. It wont happen. So we race to the cliff edge and extinction . |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Why can't we keep it nice and simple with three parties...A left,a right and a center?? Don't get me wrong, I understand everyone has a democratic right, however We need to do away with these small parties that have no chance of winning anything and absorbing valuable votes...All of the small parties(for example the greens) can apply their ethos and ideas in one if not all three wings. Or am I just stupid??? Im a green voter.Yes you are stupid for sure....They are the only party who gives a flying fuck about earth. "
bit harsh that reply. The idea of three wings is to eliminate a hung parliament and giving a back hander to a smaller party to gain extra votes, like the Tory-Dup deal.... If ever there was an abuse of the system then that was it...It was strictly for the torys to remain in government,not necessarily in the best interest of the country as a whole...Now we have a tory government that was not voted in because valuable votes were lost to small campaigners. ....And who said I don't care about my planet?? Let's face it....When if ever will the greens ever make it??? Not enough support unfortunately...(was only using greens as example)...I hope they do....One day....Go forth and plant trees bud.and be proud!! |
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