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 thats one melting pot thats to hot for me lol.
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"I have to ask the question is this a forum for politics. It isn't often I post on here and the reason for that is all the posts that slag off ....... for example The government.... politicians but mainly the conservative ones..... although Diane Abbott has come in for a lot of slagging off. So as far as the government being useless, vindictive, out of touch,idiots couldn't run a piss up tossers etc, Would any other government be any better, would they really !!!! Would Labour really be any better, probably not no other party comes close so lets stick with Labour and Conservative. From what I have observed it seems the majority that post on the Politics forum seem to be Labour voters,kicking off about how bad the conservative government are doing, Correct me if I am wrong here but didn't Labour lose the General election, but lets imagine that Labour got in witha coalition with all the other parties, lets not forget they would need around 60 extra seats. So Labour are in power what deals do you think they would have done with the other parties to get their votes !!! the mind boggles, Then what would they have done with Brexit if the Conservatives dont have a clue would Labour fair any better !!!! As for the money tree do you not think Labour would also have a money tree, would labour have given 1.3 billion to education who knows, someone said that they have retracted the education part of their manifesto not sure if thats true but hey maybe it is. There are a lot of very well informed people on here, and they do their research very carefully which is fantastic. But can we just discuss the politics instead of having all the hating that goes on. Notice I kept off the subject of remainers and brexiters thats one melting pot thats to hot for me lol.
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"I have to ask the question is this a forum for politics. It isn't often I post on here and the reason for that is all the posts that slag off ....... for example The government.... politicians but mainly the conservative ones..... although Diane Abbott has come in for a lot of slagging off. So as far as the government being useless, vindictive, out of touch,idiots couldn't run a piss up tossers etc, Would any other government be any better, would they really !!!! Would Labour really be any better, probably not no other party comes close so lets stick with Labour and Conservative. From what I have observed it seems the majority that post on the Politics forum seem to be Labour voters,kicking off about how bad the conservative government are doing, Correct me if I am wrong here but didn't Labour lose the General election, but lets imagine that Labour got in witha coalition with all the other parties, lets not forget they would need around 60 extra seats. So Labour are in power what deals do you think they would have done with the other parties to get their votes !!! the mind boggles, Then what would they have done with Brexit if the Conservatives dont have a clue would Labour fair any better !!!! As for the money tree do you not think Labour would also have a money tree, would labour have given 1.3 billion to education who knows, someone said that they have retracted the education part of their manifesto not sure if thats true but hey maybe it is. There are a lot of very well informed people on here, and they do their research very carefully which is fantastic. But can we just discuss the politics instead of having all the hating that goes on. Notice I kept off the subject of remainers and brexiters thats one melting pot thats to hot for me lol.
Just my opinion folks "What is the purpose of your post? Your first sentence said it was a question and the last sentence said it was an opinion. Politics changed with Brexit when anger and aggression became legitimate political weapons. The language used in the referendum has resulted in our society becoming divided. Our country has always had middle of the road, centre ground politics and for the last three decades our lives have not changed much whichever political leader was in power. Brexit changed that because people were asked to vote on something that would have fundamental changes to our country, its economy and its people. We will all feel those changes and hence the very strong feelings that continue today. I was a life long Conservative voter up until the time David Cameron announced the referendum. Since then my political allegiances have completely changed. I have been engaged in politics all of my adult life and I do actually think that the current May Govt is comprised of the most ideologically driven, but practically incompetent politicians that I have ever witnessed. No other political leader that I can ever remember would have got caught like Favid Davis did yesterday at that photo shoot. It is just crass amateurism. | |||
"I have to ask the question is this a forum for politics. It isn't often I post on here and the reason for that is all the posts that slag off ....... for example The government.... politicians but mainly the conservative ones..... although Diane Abbott has come in for a lot of slagging off. So as far as the government being useless, vindictive, out of touch,idiots couldn't run a piss up tossers etc, Would any other government be any better, would they really !!!! Would Labour really be any better, probably not no other party comes close so lets stick with Labour and Conservative. From what I have observed it seems the majority that post on the Politics forum seem to be Labour voters,kicking off about how bad the conservative government are doing, Correct me if I am wrong here but didn't Labour lose the General election, but lets imagine that Labour got in witha coalition with all the other parties, lets not forget they would need around 60 extra seats. So Labour are in power what deals do you think they would have done with the other parties to get their votes !!! the mind boggles, Then what would they have done with Brexit if the Conservatives dont have a clue would Labour fair any better !!!! As for the money tree do you not think Labour would also have a money tree, would labour have given 1.3 billion to education who knows, someone said that they have retracted the education part of their manifesto not sure if thats true but hey maybe it is. There are a lot of very well informed people on here, and they do their research very carefully which is fantastic. But can we just discuss the politics instead of having all the hating that goes on. Notice I kept off the subject of remainers and brexiters thats one melting pot thats to hot for me lol.
Just my opinion folks "Tony Blair said in an interview over the weekend that a Corbyn government would leave Britain on its back. Labour have also all but abandoned their manifesto promises on student loans/tuition fees and student debt. Shadow chancellor John McDonnell was asked in an interview several times over the weekend, given scrapping tuition fees and cancelling student debt would cost the country £100 billion is it still a Labour commitment? John McDonnell refused to give a straight answer on it and it's becoming increasingly clear now Labour just conned hundreds of thousands of students in the general election into voting for them. Corbyn is Nick Clegg Mk 2 when it comes to tuition fees. | |||
"I have to ask the question is this a forum for politics. It isn't often I post on here and the reason for that is all the posts that slag off ....... for example The government.... politicians but mainly the conservative ones..... although Diane Abbott has come in for a lot of slagging off. So as far as the government being useless, vindictive, out of touch,idiots couldn't run a piss up tossers etc, Would any other government be any better, would they really !!!! Would Labour really be any better, probably not no other party comes close so lets stick with Labour and Conservative. From what I have observed it seems the majority that post on the Politics forum seem to be Labour voters,kicking off about how bad the conservative government are doing, Correct me if I am wrong here but didn't Labour lose the General election, but lets imagine that Labour got in witha coalition with all the other parties, lets not forget they would need around 60 extra seats. So Labour are in power what deals do you think they would have done with the other parties to get their votes !!! the mind boggles, Then what would they have done with Brexit if the Conservatives dont have a clue would Labour fair any better !!!! As for the money tree do you not think Labour would also have a money tree, would labour have given 1.3 billion to education who knows, someone said that they have retracted the education part of their manifesto not sure if thats true but hey maybe it is. There are a lot of very well informed people on here, and they do their research very carefully which is fantastic. But can we just discuss the politics instead of having all the hating that goes on. Notice I kept off the subject of remainers and brexiters thats one melting pot thats to hot for me lol.
Just my opinion folks
Tony Blair said in an interview over the weekend that a Corbyn government would leave Britain on its back. Labour have also all but abandoned their manifesto promises on student loans/tuition fees and student debt. Shadow chancellor John McDonnell was asked in an interview several times over the weekend, given scrapping tuition fees and cancelling student debt would cost the country £100 billion is it still a Labour commitment? John McDonnell refused to give a straight answer on it and it's becoming increasingly clear now Labour just conned hundreds of thousands of students in the general election into voting for them. Corbyn is Nick Clegg Mk 2 when it comes to tuition fees. "Didnt you say we shouldnt listen to Blair anymore a few days ago? | |||
"I have to ask the question is this a forum for politics. It isn't often I post on here and the reason for that is all the posts that slag off ....... for example The government.... politicians but mainly the conservative ones..... although Diane Abbott has come in for a lot of slagging off. So as far as the government being useless, vindictive, out of touch,idiots couldn't run a piss up tossers etc, Would any other government be any better, would they really !!!! Would Labour really be any better, probably not no other party comes close so lets stick with Labour and Conservative. From what I have observed it seems the majority that post on the Politics forum seem to be Labour voters,kicking off about how bad the conservative government are doing, Correct me if I am wrong here but didn't Labour lose the General election, but lets imagine that Labour got in witha coalition with all the other parties, lets not forget they would need around 60 extra seats. So Labour are in power what deals do you think they would have done with the other parties to get their votes !!! the mind boggles, Then what would they have done with Brexit if the Conservatives dont have a clue would Labour fair any better !!!! As for the money tree do you not think Labour would also have a money tree, would labour have given 1.3 billion to education who knows, someone said that they have retracted the education part of their manifesto not sure if thats true but hey maybe it is. There are a lot of very well informed people on here, and they do their research very carefully which is fantastic. But can we just discuss the politics instead of having all the hating that goes on. Notice I kept off the subject of remainers and brexiters thats one melting pot thats to hot for me lol.
Just my opinion folks "Hello OP, and welcome. Firstly I am a Labour voter so may be partisan but I believe i am not. I try and look at politics objectively and I shape political affiliations on the basis of which party is most likely to gain power deliver the sort of country (and world) I want to live in. I believe Labour is our best bet at present. When you say Labour lost you are taking a partisan stance, because to say Labour lost implies someone else won, clearly this is not the case. Labour did not win, but neither did the Tories. Then if you consider the predictions of a Labour collapse and a Tory majority of over 200 6 weeks before the election and compare that with the actual result it is reasonable to argue that the only losers were the Conservative party. Now considering that in the past 2 years the Tories have did their first grubby deal with with UKIP and promised an unnecessary referendum which split the country down the middle to keep the pig fucker in power. Now his successor in another unnecessary vanity election in which she lost her majority has further entrenched that division and then done a further grubby little deal paying a party of former Loyalist paramilitary and their supporters somewhere between £150 and £250 million per vote for their 10 votes to hold on to power, and is there any change in direction? NO! It is carry on as normal, but with one change, if it looks like they may face a vote over any of their controversial policies in parliament find a way to obfuscate and deflect. There was a time when 'one nation' conservatism was the Tory mantra and we had Ted Heaths 'threshold agreement' because the poor and powerless should not pay for the mismanagement of the rich and powerful. However today if the same was proposed by Labour it would be called communism (in fact when I suggested that it heere without putting its author's name to it, it was by our rightwing blowhards). Because today it is the poor and powerless who have to pay not only for the rich and powerful's mistakes, but also for them to double their wealth while the majority (70% of us) get poorer. Ironically a report has just been published that says for the first time in 100 years life expectancy in the UK is consistently falling, and when did this downward trend start? Yep, you guessed it 2010... Do you think that just maybe we on the left may have a very good reason to be angry? Maybe you also think that the reason the right are angry is because those who are the rich powerful elite want to shut us up by any means, and their working class tory sheeple supporters are following their masters lead because to do anything else would mean admitting that they have placed their trust and faith in con artists who intend to turn us all into serfs again? | |||
"I have to ask the question is this a forum for politics. It isn't often I post on here and the reason for that is all the posts that slag off ....... for example The government.... politicians but mainly the conservative ones..... although Diane Abbott has come in for a lot of slagging off. So as far as the government being useless, vindictive, out of touch,idiots couldn't run a piss up tossers etc, Would any other government be any better, would they really !!!! Would Labour really be any better, probably not no other party comes close so lets stick with Labour and Conservative. From what I have observed it seems the majority that post on the Politics forum seem to be Labour voters,kicking off about how bad the conservative government are doing, Correct me if I am wrong here but didn't Labour lose the General election, but lets imagine that Labour got in witha coalition with all the other parties, lets not forget they would need around 60 extra seats. So Labour are in power what deals do you think they would have done with the other parties to get their votes !!! the mind boggles, Then what would they have done with Brexit if the Conservatives dont have a clue would Labour fair any better !!!! As for the money tree do you not think Labour would also have a money tree, would labour have given 1.3 billion to education who knows, someone said that they have retracted the education part of their manifesto not sure if thats true but hey maybe it is. There are a lot of very well informed people on here, and they do their research very carefully which is fantastic. But can we just discuss the politics instead of having all the hating that goes on. Notice I kept off the subject of remainers and brexiters thats one melting pot thats to hot for me lol.
Just my opinion folks
Hello OP, and welcome.
Firstly I am a Labour voter so may be partisan but I believe i am not. I try and look at politics objectively and I shape political affiliations on the basis of which party is most likely to gain power deliver the sort of country (and world) I want to live in. I believe Labour is our best bet at present.
When you say Labour lost you are taking a partisan stance, because to say Labour lost implies someone else won, clearly this is not the case. Labour did not win, but neither did the Tories. Then if you consider the predictions of a Labour collapse and a Tory majority of over 200 6 weeks before the election and compare that with the actual result it is reasonable to argue that the only losers were the Conservative party.
Now considering that in the past 2 years the Tories have did their first grubby deal with with UKIP and promised an unnecessary referendum which split the country down the middle to keep the pig fucker in power. Now his successor in another unnecessary vanity election in which she lost her majority has further entrenched that division and then done a further grubby little deal paying a party of former Loyalist paramilitary and their supporters somewhere between £150 and £250 million per vote for their 10 votes to hold on to power, and is there any change in direction? NO! It is carry on as normal, but with one change, if it looks like they may face a vote over any of their controversial policies in parliament find a way to obfuscate and deflect.
There was a time when 'one nation' conservatism was the Tory mantra and we had Ted Heaths 'threshold agreement' because the poor and powerless should not pay for the mismanagement of the rich and powerful. However today if the same was proposed by Labour it would be called communism (in fact when I suggested that it heere without putting its author's name to it, it was by our rightwing blowhards). Because today it is the poor and powerless who have to pay not only for the rich and powerful's mistakes, but also for them to double their wealth while the majority (70% of us) get poorer.
Ironically a report has just been published that says for the first time in 100 years life expectancy in the UK is consistently falling, and when did this downward trend start?
Yep, you guessed it 2010...
Do you think that just maybe we on the left may have a very good reason to be angry? Maybe you also think that the reason the right are angry is because those who are the rich powerful elite want to shut us up by any means, and their working class tory sheeple supporters are following their masters lead because to do anything else would mean admitting that they have placed their trust and faith in con artists who intend to turn us all into serfs again?" | |||
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"I have to ask the question is this a forum for politics. It isn't often I post on here and the reason for that is all the posts that slag off ....... for example The government.... politicians but mainly the conservative ones..... although Diane Abbott has come in for a lot of slagging off. So as far as the government being useless, vindictive, out of touch,idiots couldn't run a piss up tossers etc, Would any other government be any better, would they really !!!! Would Labour really be any better, probably not no other party comes close so lets stick with Labour and Conservative. From what I have observed it seems the majority that post on the Politics forum seem to be Labour voters,kicking off about how bad the conservative government are doing, Correct me if I am wrong here but didn't Labour lose the General election, but lets imagine that Labour got in witha coalition with all the other parties, lets not forget they would need around 60 extra seats. So Labour are in power what deals do you think they would have done with the other parties to get their votes !!! the mind boggles, Then what would they have done with Brexit if the Conservatives dont have a clue would Labour fair any better !!!! As for the money tree do you not think Labour would also have a money tree, would labour have given 1.3 billion to education who knows, someone said that they have retracted the education part of their manifesto not sure if thats true but hey maybe it is. There are a lot of very well informed people on here, and they do their research very carefully which is fantastic. But can we just discuss the politics instead of having all the hating that goes on. Notice I kept off the subject of remainers and brexiters thats one melting pot thats to hot for me lol.
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"I have to ask the question is this a forum for politics. It isn't often I post on here and the reason for that is all the posts that slag off ....... for example The government.... politicians but mainly the conservative ones..... although Diane Abbott has come in for a lot of slagging off. So as far as the government being useless, vindictive, out of touch,idiots couldn't run a piss up tossers etc, Would any other government be any better, would they really !!!! Would Labour really be any better, probably not no other party comes close so lets stick with Labour and Conservative. From what I have observed it seems the majority that post on the Politics forum seem to be Labour voters,kicking off about how bad the conservative government are doing, Correct me if I am wrong here but didn't Labour lose the General election, but lets imagine that Labour got in witha coalition with all the other parties, lets not forget they would need around 60 extra seats. So Labour are in power what deals do you think they would have done with the other parties to get their votes !!! the mind boggles, Then what would they have done with Brexit if the Conservatives dont have a clue would Labour fair any better !!!! As for the money tree do you not think Labour would also have a money tree, would labour have given 1.3 billion to education who knows, someone said that they have retracted the education part of their manifesto not sure if thats true but hey maybe it is. There are a lot of very well informed people on here, and they do their research very carefully which is fantastic. But can we just discuss the politics instead of having all the hating that goes on. Notice I kept off the subject of remainers and brexiters thats one melting pot thats to hot for me lol.
Just my opinion folks
Tony Blair said in an interview over the weekend that a Corbyn government would leave Britain on its back. Labour have also all but abandoned their manifesto promises on student loans/tuition fees and student debt. Shadow chancellor John McDonnell was asked in an interview several times over the weekend, given scrapping tuition fees and cancelling student debt would cost the country £100 billion is it still a Labour commitment? John McDonnell refused to give a straight answer on it and it's becoming increasingly clear now Labour just conned hundreds of thousands of students in the general election into voting for them. Corbyn is Nick Clegg Mk 2 when it comes to tuition fees. "You have a manifesto for one election, then you write a new one for the next election. You only have to stick to that if you win. That's how politics works in this country. | |||
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"Just in terms of the Education funding that you are mentioning - this Government has found no new money for education. The £1.3bn was not new money. It was just taken from other parts of the Education budget (free school and schools capital spending). It is also not £1.3bn per year. It's over 2 years. So an extra £440m in year one rising to £820m year 2. So it's not new money and not much money. Labour had promised over £6.3bn extra every year. They haven't backtracked over the education part of the manifesto, still promise much more spending and free tuition fees at university. The Tory education plans mean that in the city I work in, 98% of schools are facing budget cuts and we are already seeing teachers and support staff made redundant, subject choices for students being reduced, class sizes rising. There is a stark difference in the parties funding promises." All opposition parties make "promises". Delivery is another thing though. | |||
"Just in terms of the Education funding that you are mentioning - this Government has found no new money for education. The £1.3bn was not new money. It was just taken from other parts of the Education budget (free school and schools capital spending). It is also not £1.3bn per year. It's over 2 years. So an extra £440m in year one rising to £820m year 2. So it's not new money and not much money. Labour had promised over £6.3bn extra every year. They haven't backtracked over the education part of the manifesto, still promise much more spending and free tuition fees at university. The Tory education plans mean that in the city I work in, 98% of schools are facing budget cuts and we are already seeing teachers and support staff made redundant, subject choices for students being reduced, class sizes rising. There is a stark difference in the parties funding promises. All opposition parties make "promises". Delivery is another thing though." So you think we'll see a free vote on fox hunting in this parliament? | |||
"Just in terms of the Education funding that you are mentioning - this Government has found no new money for education. The £1.3bn was not new money. It was just taken from other parts of the Education budget (free school and schools capital spending). It is also not £1.3bn per year. It's over 2 years. So an extra £440m in year one rising to £820m year 2. So it's not new money and not much money. Labour had promised over £6.3bn extra every year. They haven't backtracked over the education part of the manifesto, still promise much more spending and free tuition fees at university. The Tory education plans mean that in the city I work in, 98% of schools are facing budget cuts and we are already seeing teachers and support staff made redundant, subject choices for students being reduced, class sizes rising. There is a stark difference in the parties funding promises. All opposition parties make "promises". Delivery is another thing though. So you think we'll see a free vote on fox hunting in this parliament?" We won't, and it always was a non-starter. | |||
"Just in terms of the Education funding that you are mentioning - this Government has found no new money for education. The £1.3bn was not new money. It was just taken from other parts of the Education budget (free school and schools capital spending). It is also not £1.3bn per year. It's over 2 years. So an extra £440m in year one rising to £820m year 2. So it's not new money and not much money. Labour had promised over £6.3bn extra every year. They haven't backtracked over the education part of the manifesto, still promise much more spending and free tuition fees at university. The Tory education plans mean that in the city I work in, 98% of schools are facing budget cuts and we are already seeing teachers and support staff made redundant, subject choices for students being reduced, class sizes rising. There is a stark difference in the parties funding promises. All opposition parties make "promises". Delivery is another thing though. So you think we'll see a free vote on fox hunting in this parliament? We won't, and it always was a non-starter." It was in the conservative manifesto 2017. Page 26. "We will grant a free vote, on a government bill in government time, to give parliament the opportunity to decide the future of the Hunting Act". So you think that was just a promise that they wont deliver on then? | |||
"Just in terms of the Education funding that you are mentioning - this Government has found no new money for education. The £1.3bn was not new money. It was just taken from other parts of the Education budget (free school and schools capital spending). It is also not £1.3bn per year. It's over 2 years. So an extra £440m in year one rising to £820m year 2. So it's not new money and not much money. Labour had promised over £6.3bn extra every year. They haven't backtracked over the education part of the manifesto, still promise much more spending and free tuition fees at university. The Tory education plans mean that in the city I work in, 98% of schools are facing budget cuts and we are already seeing teachers and support staff made redundant, subject choices for students being reduced, class sizes rising. There is a stark difference in the parties funding promises. All opposition parties make "promises". Delivery is another thing though. So you think we'll see a free vote on fox hunting in this parliament? We won't, and it always was a non-starter. It was in the conservative manifesto 2017. Page 26. "We will grant a free vote, on a government bill in government time, to give parliament the opportunity to decide the future of the Hunting Act". So you think that was just a promise that they wont deliver on then? " The more astute amongst us knew it wouldn't happen. The inquest into the Conservative's poor GE showing, highlighted the inclusion of that issue as a mistake. The point is, it's easier to make a promise into an aspiration when you are in opposition. | |||
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"Hello OP, and welcome. I'm the token "Far Left" poster. I choose not to disclose the form that takes, because it amuses me to watch other people take pot shots at "my ideology" without actually knowing what it is. After all, the forums are meant to be fun. " . Hello op, and welcome. I'm the token anarchist,I choose not to get involved because it makes no fucking difference, were all on a one way ticket to hell anyhow, the quicker the better I say  | |||
"Do you mean, 'the more astute amongst us knew that the Tories talk bullshit'?" No, those that live and work in the countryside, know that fox hunting is dead. Except in Scotland, where you can still hunt with a pack of hounds. | |||
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"Do you mean, 'the more astute amongst us knew that the Tories talk bullshit'? No, those that live and work in the countryside, know that fox hunting is dead. Except in Scotland, where you can still hunt with a pack of hounds. " They know that how? Because the hunt just carries on as if there was no ban? | |||
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"I popped my head in the politics forum today to see if it had improved. The closed thread shows the levels of mentality that stop most normal people posting here. I wouldn't say it is dominated by supporters of any party. Just dominated by people hell bent on making a point and not listening or interested in undersatnding anyone else's opinion." I agree. | |||
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"I popped my head in the politics forum today to see if it had improved. The closed thread shows the levels of mentality that stop most normal people posting here. I wouldn't say it is dominated by supporters of any party. Just dominated by people hell bent on making a point and not listening or interested in undersatnding anyone else's opinion. I agree."  | |||
"Yes indeed the politics forum is a strange place, debate is very often non existent. A place where people often loose the topic of the initial thread, descending into an abusive opportunistic name calling session with each trying to take the morale high ground. " It is the most god-forsaken, depressing, dismall, joyless, funsucking shit-show of a forum on the planet. imo. | |||
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"I popped my head in the politics forum today to see if it had improved. The closed thread shows the levels of mentality that stop most normal people posting here. I wouldn't say it is dominated by supporters of any party. Just dominated by people hell bent on making a point and not listening or interested in undersatnding anyone else's opinion. I agree. "Luckily the mods took care of the vile content of the thread | |||
"Yes indeed the politics forum is a strange place, debate is very often non existent. A place where people often loose the topic of the initial thread, descending into an abusive opportunistic name calling session with each trying to take the morale high ground. It is the most god-forsaken, depressing, dismall, joyless, funsucking shit-show of a forum on the planet. imo." Its tame compared to other forums on the net. | |||
"Yes indeed the politics forum is a strange place, debate is very often non existent. A place where people often loose the topic of the initial thread, descending into an abusive opportunistic name calling session with each trying to take the morale high ground. It is the most god-forsaken, depressing, dismall, joyless, funsucking shit-show of a forum on the planet. imo. Its tame compared to other forums on the net. "ftfy It is the most god-forsaken, depressing, dismall, joyless, funsucking shit-show of a forum on fab. | |||
"Yes indeed the politics forum is a strange place, debate is very often non existent. A place where people often loose the topic of the initial thread, descending into an abusive opportunistic name calling session with each trying to take the morale high ground. It is the most god-forsaken, depressing, dismall, joyless, funsucking shit-show of a forum on the planet. imo. Its tame compared to other forums on the net.
ftfy
It is the most god-forsaken, depressing, dismall, joyless, funsucking shit-show of a forum on fab.
"Thats a matter of taste.The threads in the lounge are often irrelevant fluff.Its banality taken to extreme in there.Each to their own. | |||
