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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"My new card arrived this week, with a renewal date in 2022. 
good luck with that..... 
Do you think they might laugh?"
yes... followed by the words "you crazy english-person...." |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"My new card arrived this week, with a renewal date in 2022.
good luck with that.....
Do you think they might laugh?
yes... followed by the words "you crazy english-person...." "
British not English; the UK is leaving, not just England.   |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"My new card arrived this week, with a renewal date in 2022.
good luck with that.....
Do you think they might laugh?
yes... followed by the words "you crazy english-person...."
British not English; the UK is leaving, not just England. "
Will I be able to flash it everywhere we get a trade deal?
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"My new card arrived this week, with a renewal date in 2022.
good luck with that.....
Do you think they might laugh?
yes... followed by the words "you crazy english-person...."
British not English; the UK is leaving, not just England. "
yes yes yes mr pedantic......
i was just thinking what the person in europe might say, but thanks for sucking the fun out of the thread....... |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"My new card arrived this week, with a renewal date in 2022.
good luck with that.....
Do you think they might laugh?
yes... followed by the words "you crazy english-person...."
British not English; the UK is leaving, not just England.
Will I be able to flash it everywhere we get a trade deal?
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oooh... health card all over the world... i can imagine if you tried to use it in a if there ever was a deal with the us, if you took it into a hospital there... they would laugh you out of ER!!!
anyway... me personally.... looking into the prospect of applying for an irish passport.... |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"My new card arrived this week, with a renewal date in 2022.
good luck with that.....
Do you think they might laugh?
yes... followed by the words "you crazy english-person...."
British not English; the UK is leaving, not just England.
Will I be able to flash it everywhere we get a trade deal?
oooh... health card all over the world... i can imagine if you tried to use it in a if there ever was a deal with the us, if you took it into a hospital there... they would laugh you out of ER!!!
anyway... me personally.... looking into the prospect of applying for an irish passport.... "
My mother didn't have her travel insurance documents on her when she was rushed to hospital in Texas. They gave her oxygen but nothing else until someone could find it. She nearly died.
I think I'd still like to give it a try. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"My new card arrived this week, with a renewal date in 2022.
good luck with that.....
Do you think they might laugh?
yes... followed by the words "you crazy english-person...."
British not English; the UK is leaving, not just England.
Will I be able to flash it everywhere we get a trade deal?
oooh... health card all over the world... i can imagine if you tried to use it in a if there ever was a deal with the us, if you took it into a hospital there... they would laugh you out of ER!!!
anyway... me personally.... looking into the prospect of applying for an irish passport....
My mother didn't have her travel insurance documents on her when she was rushed to hospital in Texas. They gave her oxygen but nothing else until someone could find it. She nearly died.
I think I'd still like to give it a try."
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It might be ok until 2022 depending on
a) whether we leave the EU
b) what deal we agree if we leave regarding future relationship with the EU
c) regardless of the deal, whether we agree to make payments for our commitments in return for continuing benefits.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It might be ok until 2022 depending on
a) whether we leave the EU
b) what deal we agree if we leave regarding future relationship with the EU
c) regardless of the deal, whether we agree to make payments for our commitments in return for continuing benefits.
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Do EU countries pay us (NHS)? For the reciprocal benefits the many more EU citizens receive?
I think there may be a "charge back" mechanisms within it (but can't be bothered checking, some cocky sod on here will know). The key thing being it is "reciprocal" so any argument about 'continuing to pay' should work both ways? |
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"It might be ok until 2022 depending on
a) whether we leave the EU
b) what deal we agree if we leave regarding future relationship with the EU
c) regardless of the deal, whether we agree to make payments for our commitments in return for continuing benefits.
Do EU countries pay us (NHS)? For the reciprocal benefits the many more EU citizens receive?
I think there may be a "charge back" mechanisms within it (but can't be bothered checking, some cocky sod on here will know). The key thing being it is "reciprocal" so any argument about 'continuing to pay' should work both ways?"
Legally we are entitled to claim the money back from the party that is providing the insurance (European Health Insurance Card). In most cases that would be the State. In most of Europe this is done routinely. In the UK, although better now than in the past, this is still not always done.
And you are correct, it is reciprocal, so charging should go both ways. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
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Do EU countries pay us (NHS)? For the reciprocal benefits the many more EU citizens receive?
I think there may be a "charge back" mechanisms within it (but can't be bothered checking, some cocky sod on here will know). The key thing being it is "reciprocal" so any argument about 'continuing to pay' should work both ways?"
Yes... in effect that country is billed by the NHS for treating that person
Just like as someone said here a uk citizen living in the European or if you were on holiday your treatment would in effect end up being paid by UK plc |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Arnt the NHS owed millions from country's in the EU ?
If they are, we can take them to the ECJ. You know that incredibly useful court that you want us to leave  "
Why havent we done so already and tbh everybody who comes here on holiday should have private insurance to cover them
I would not travel abroad without insurance would you !!! |
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"It might be ok until 2022 depending on
a) whether we leave the EU
b) what deal we agree if we leave regarding future relationship with the EU
c) regardless of the deal, whether we agree to make payments for our commitments in return for continuing benefits.
Do EU countries pay us (NHS)? For the reciprocal benefits the many more EU citizens receive?
I think there may be a "charge back" mechanisms within it (but can't be bothered checking, some cocky sod on here will know). The key thing being it is "reciprocal" so any argument about 'continuing to pay' should work both ways?"
Yes; the country that does the treatment sends the itemized bill,to the person's country for repayment.
Problem is that U.K. NHS is so crap,at admin that they don't send all the bills for treatment of visitors to the
EU country. So non payment is UK's fault.
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"Arnt the NHS owed millions from country's in the EU ?
If they are, we can take them to the ECJ. You know that incredibly useful court that you want us to leave
Why havent we done so already and tbh everybody who comes here on holiday should have private insurance to cover them
I would not travel abroad without insurance would you !!! "
If they are EU citizens with an EHIC; then they are treated and UK sends the bill to their country for payment. Unfortunately, UK NHS is so shambolic that it doesn't send most of the bills ( it doesn't even calculate Them half the time). EU countries are,particularly good at settling the bills they get. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Arnt the NHS owed millions from country's in the EU ?"
Yes but our NHS needs to send the bills out.....BUT THEY DON'T
But like a lot of things its often phrased as its the EU countries that aren't coughing up, they do if they get sent a bill. |
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
south west , continental |
Despite all the scaremongering, the UK will still remain part of the European continent. Were leaving the Eu not Europe.
The Government will still honour your health care cover in Europe and that reciprocal agreements will be agreed in this area.
If you fall unwell in a European country, you will be treated, as always wherever we travel in the world it is wise to have insurance to cover treatment costs. As we all know the NHS is free at point of contact where as a lot of Europeans pay for their healthcare in some form of top up insurance.
In France the government pay 70% you top up the 30% with insurance.
Your card expires 2022 and will be honoured. Mine expired this month and I am not allowed a new one!
I wonder if I will be treated if I have an accident in the UK? |
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
south west , continental |
Yes, if a foreign national uses UK healthcare they should be asked for their insurance card or documents, as UK nationals are asked in Foreign countries.I went to the Dr. In France after a snake bite and she wouldn't even examine me until I signed the payment form! The UK really needs to get its act together in claiming back healthcare costs from these users.
I shudder to think what the costs are! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It seems that we only have a 7% claim back rate from EU countries!
I shudder to think what it is from non EU countries."
It is a scandal.
Does anyone know what figure that amounts to in £m per year for both EU & non EU countries?
If there is not recent data I might have to send off some FOI requests... |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"It seems that we only have a 7% claim back rate from EU countries!
I shudder to think what it is from non EU countries."
I don't believe that we have claim back agreements with non-EU countries, I believe the claim back would be from the idividual to pay their bill, or from their insurance company if they have one. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"It seems that we only have a 7% claim back rate from EU countries!
I shudder to think what it is from non EU countries.
I don't believe that we have claim back agreements with non-EU countries, I believe the claim back would be from the idividual to pay their bill, or from their insurance company if they have one."
Yes, that would be right. Not sure if insurance companies "dispute" payments or not but the sums must be immense.
Having seen the last BBC2 series of Hospital, where individuals were billed and then just walked away without paying, I think the sums are probably in the billions. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Despite all the scaremongering, the UK will still remain part of the European continent. Were leaving the Eu not Europe.
The Government will still honour your health care cover in Europe and that reciprocal agreements will be agreed in this area.
If you fall unwell in a European country, you will be treated, as always wherever we travel in the world it is wise to have insurance to cover treatment costs. As we all know the NHS is free at point of contact where as a lot of Europeans pay for their healthcare in some form of top up insurance.
In France the government pay 70% you top up the 30% with insurance.
Your card expires 2022 and will be honoured. Mine expired this month and I am not allowed a new one!
I wonder if I will be treated if I have an accident in the UK? "
well since EHIC is in effect an agreement between the EU and the EEA...... and we are leaving the EU, and you can't be a member of the EEA without that "freedom of movement" thing.... the UK in effect actually ceases to become a member of either in April 19.....
that that First Paragraph that you wrong about the UK leaving the EU and not Europe and nothing changing and it being honoured ect ect ect is actually factually incorrect at the moment, and it is going to have to be one of the things that is going to have to be negoiated...
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Despite all the scaremongering, the UK will still remain part of the European continent. Were leaving the Eu not Europe.
The Government will still honour your health care cover in Europe and that reciprocal agreements will be agreed in this area.
If you fall unwell in a European country, you will be treated, as always wherever we travel in the world it is wise to have insurance to cover treatment costs. As we all know the NHS is free at point of contact where as a lot of Europeans pay for their healthcare in some form of top up insurance.
In France the government pay 70% you top up the 30% with insurance.
Your card expires 2022 and will be honoured. Mine expired this month and I am not allowed a new one!
I wonder if I will be treated if I have an accident in the UK? "
Why aren't you allowed another one? Is your main domicile France or Devon, UK? |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"It seems that we only have a 7% claim back rate from EU countries!
I shudder to think what it is from non EU countries.
I don't believe that we have claim back agreements with non-EU countries, I believe the claim back would be from the idividual to pay their bill, or from their insurance company if they have one.
Yes, that would be right. Not sure if insurance companies "dispute" payments or not but the sums must be immense.
Having seen the last BBC2 series of Hospital, where individuals were billed and then just walked away without paying, I think the sums are probably in the billions."
We do need to be better at reclaiming costs but I wonder if the figures for Brit no-shows for appointments doesn't cost more? I am always shocked that people take it for granted and waste time and money that could have helped someone else.
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"Despite all the scaremongering, the UK will still remain part of the European continent. Were leaving the Eu not Europe.
The Government will still honour your health care cover in Europe and that reciprocal agreements will be agreed in this area.
If you fall unwell in a European country, you will be treated, as always wherever we travel in the world it is wise to have insurance to cover treatment costs. As we all know the NHS is free at point of contact where as a lot of Europeans pay for their healthcare in some form of top up insurance.
In France the government pay 70% you top up the 30% with insurance.
Your card expires 2022 and will be honoured. Mine expired this month and I am not allowed a new one!
I wonder if I will be treated if I have an accident in the UK? "
My EHIC ran out at the end of June. I applied online for a new last Monday and it arrived on Wednesday morning....very efficient |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Despite all the scaremongering, the UK will still remain part of the European continent. Were leaving the Eu not Europe.
The Government will still honour your health care cover in Europe and that reciprocal agreements will be agreed in this area.
If you fall unwell in a European country, you will be treated, as always wherever we travel in the world it is wise to have insurance to cover treatment costs. As we all know the NHS is free at point of contact where as a lot of Europeans pay for their healthcare in some form of top up insurance.
In France the government pay 70% you top up the 30% with insurance.
Your card expires 2022 and will be honoured. Mine expired this month and I am not allowed a new one!
I wonder if I will be treated if I have an accident in the UK?
My EHIC ran out at the end of June. I applied online for a new last Monday and it arrived on Wednesday morning....very efficient"
Plus, they give you a number to call if you need a replacement when you need treatment.
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