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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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Why is only 35% of the required steel for the new Type 26 Frigates being sourced from British companies with the majority coming from Sen? It's this a case of the government not believing in Britain and our industries? Of talking us down?
(Is it all Shag's fault?) |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Why is only 35% of the required steel for the new Type 26 Frigates being sourced from British companies with the majority coming from Sen? It's this a case of the government not believing in Britain and our industries? Of talking us down?
(Is it all Shag's fault?)"
Could be all down to the grades of steel required.
The UK produces a lot of steel but not all the grades required. |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Why is only 35% of the required steel for the new Type 26 Frigates being sourced from British companies with the majority coming from Sen? It's this a case of the government not believing in Britain and our industries? Of talking us down?
(Is it all Shag's fault?)
Could be all down to the grades of steel required.
The UK produces a lot of steel but not all the grades required."
So you are saying that the Brits aren't up to the job? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Why is only 35% of the required steel for the new Type 26 Frigates being sourced from British companies with the majority coming from Sen? It's this a case of the government not believing in Britain and our industries? Of talking us down?
(Is it all Shag's fault?)
Could be all down to the grades of steel required.
The UK produces a lot of steel but not all the grades required.
So you are saying that the Brits aren't up to the job? "
Nope but maybe the facilities aren't available any more.
Incidentally, is it British Steel or British steel? There is a difference. |
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over a year ago
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"Why is only 35% of the required steel for the new Type 26 Frigates being sourced from British companies with the majority coming from Sen? It's this a case of the government not believing in Britain and our industries? Of talking us down?
(Is it all Shag's fault?)
Could be all down to the grades of steel required.
The UK produces a lot of steel but not all the grades required.
So you are saying that the Brits aren't up to the job?
Nope but maybe the facilities aren't available any more.
Incidentally, is it British Steel or British steel? There is a difference."
Is there even a British Steel anymore ? |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Why is only 35% of the required steel for the new Type 26 Frigates being sourced from British companies with the majority coming from Sen? It's this a case of the government not believing in Britain and our industries? Of talking us down?
(Is it all Shag's fault?)
Could be all down to the grades of steel required.
The UK produces a lot of steel but not all the grades required.
So you are saying that the Brits aren't up to the job? "
No he means maybe they dont produce the type required and so cant be sourced here, which is a shame. I can mix concrete from base materials would I make a mix suitable for hinkley point, not a great idea is it,horses for coursesbut hey why let it get in the way of your anti uk agenda |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Why is only 35% of the required steel for the new Type 26 Frigates being sourced from British companies with the majority coming from Sen? It's this a case of the government not believing in Britain and our industries? Of talking us down?
(Is it all Shag's fault?)
Could be all down to the grades of steel required.
The UK produces a lot of steel but not all the grades required.
So you are saying that the Brits aren't up to the job?
Nope but maybe the facilities aren't available any more.
Incidentally, is it British Steel or British steel? There is a difference.
Is there even a British Steel anymore ?"
Yes but not in the way people of a certain age think of it.
Jeremy Corbyn recently visited their Skinningrove facility |
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over a year ago
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"Why is only 35% of the required steel for the new Type 26 Frigates being sourced from British companies with the majority coming from Sen? It's this a case of the government not believing in Britain and our industries? Of talking us down?
(Is it all Shag's fault?)
Could be all down to the grades of steel required.
The UK produces a lot of steel but not all the grades required.
So you are saying that the Brits aren't up to the job?
Nope but maybe the facilities aren't available any more.
Incidentally, is it British Steel or British steel? There is a difference.
Is there even a British Steel anymore ?
Yes but not in the way people of a certain age think of it.
Jeremy Corbyn recently visited their Skinningrove facility"
But isnt it owned by a company from India and not the UK like it used to be...in essence called British Steel in name only ? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Why is only 35% of the required steel for the new Type 26 Frigates being sourced from British companies with the majority coming from Sen? It's this a case of the government not believing in Britain and our industries? Of talking us down?
(Is it all Shag's fault?)
Could be all down to the grades of steel required.
The UK produces a lot of steel but not all the grades required.
So you are saying that the Brits aren't up to the job?
Nope but maybe the facilities aren't available any more.
Incidentally, is it British Steel or British steel? There is a difference.
Is there even a British Steel anymore ?
Yes but not in the way people of a certain age think of it.
Jeremy Corbyn recently visited their Skinningrove facility
But isnt it owned by a company from India and not the UK like it used to be...in essence called British Steel in name only ? "
That's about the top and bottom of it; that's why I asked the question Steel or steel. |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Why is only 35% of the required steel for the new Type 26 Frigates being sourced from British companies with the majority coming from Sen? It's this a case of the government not believing in Britain and our industries? Of talking us down?
(Is it all Shag's fault?)
Could be all down to the grades of steel required.
The UK produces a lot of steel but not all the grades required.
So you are saying that the Brits aren't up to the job?
No he means maybe they dont produce the type required and so cant be sourced here, which is a shame. I can mix concrete from base materials would I make a mix suitable for hinkley point, not a great idea is it,horses for coursesbut hey why let it get in the way of your anti uk agenda "
How it is anti UK to say it would be better if more of the steel was made by British companies rather than Sish companies?  |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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I seem to remember that the closure of Dalzell steelworks, near Motherwell, was controversial, as it produced all the specialist plate required for the Royal Navy.
Happily, it has now reopened, again with Indian owners. |
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over a year ago
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"I seem to remember that the closure of Dalzell steelworks, near Motherwell, was controversial, as it produced all the specialist plate required for the Royal Navy.
Happily, it has now reopened, again with Indian owners."
I believe it had some help as well from the government |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"I seem to remember that the closure of Dalzell steelworks, near Motherwell, was controversial, as it produced all the specialist plate required for the Royal Navy.
Happily, it has now reopened, again with Indian owners."
So if all the specialist plate is available, then why are the government buying Sish? |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Why is only 35% of the required steel for the new Type 26 Frigates being sourced from British companies with the majority coming from Sen? It's this a case of the government not believing in Britain and our industries? Of talking us down?
(Is it all Shag's fault?)
Could be all down to the grades of steel required.
The UK produces a lot of steel but not all the grades required.
So you are saying that the Brits aren't up to the job?
Nope but maybe the facilities aren't available any more.
Incidentally, is it British Steel or British steel? There is a difference."
Steel produced in Britain |
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"I seem to remember that the closure of Dalzell steelworks, near Motherwell, was controversial, as it produced all the specialist plate required for the Royal Navy.
Happily, it has now reopened, again with Indian owners.
So if all the specialist plate is available, then why are the government buying Sish? "
Maybe it produced the specialist plate for the Royal Navy before it closed and since it reopened it doesn't produce the correct grade steel for this particular new contract.  |
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"Why is only 35% of the required steel for the new Type 26 Frigates being sourced from British companies with the majority coming from Sen? It's this a case of the government not believing in Britain and our industries? Of talking us down?
(Is it all Shag's fault?)
Could be all down to the grades of steel required.
The UK produces a lot of steel but not all the grades required.
So you are saying that the Brits aren't up to the job?
No he means maybe they dont produce the type required and so cant be sourced here, which is a shame. I can mix concrete from base materials would I make a mix suitable for hinkley point, not a great idea is it,horses for coursesbut hey why let it get in the way of your anti uk agenda
How it is anti UK to say it would be better if more of the steel was made by British companies rather than Sish companies? "
You've been shown up on the thread that you really have no idea what you're talking about. You had no idea about different grades of steel when you posted the OP. You've been shown up, so you can stop digging that hole now. |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Why is only 35% of the required steel for the new Type 26 Frigates being sourced from British companies with the majority coming from Sen? It's this a case of the government not believing in Britain and our industries? Of talking us down?
(Is it all Shag's fault?)
Could be all down to the grades of steel required.
The UK produces a lot of steel but not all the grades required.
So you are saying that the Brits aren't up to the job?
No he means maybe they dont produce the type required and so cant be sourced here, which is a shame. I can mix concrete from base materials would I make a mix suitable for hinkley point, not a great idea is it,horses for coursesbut hey why let it get in the way of your anti uk agenda
How it is anti UK to say it would be better if more of the steel was made by British companies rather than Sish companies?
You've been shown up on the thread that you really have no idea what you're talking about. You had no idea about different grades of steel when you posted the OP. You've been shown up, so you can stop digging that hole now. "
Of course I did! So are you going to say how wonderful it is that the steel isn't coming from the UK? |
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over a year ago
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"Why is only 35% of the required steel for the new Type 26 Frigates being sourced from British companies with the majority coming from Sen? It's this a case of the government not believing in Britain and our industries? Of talking us down?
(Is it all Shag's fault?)
Could be all down to the grades of steel required.
The UK produces a lot of steel but not all the grades required.
So you are saying that the Brits aren't up to the job?
No he means maybe they dont produce the type required and so cant be sourced here, which is a shame. I can mix concrete from base materials would I make a mix suitable for hinkley point, not a great idea is it,horses for coursesbut hey why let it get in the way of your anti uk agenda
How it is anti UK to say it would be better if more of the steel was made by British companies rather than Sish companies?
You've been shown up on the thread that you really have no idea what you're talking about. You had no idea about different grades of steel when you posted the OP. You've been shown up, so you can stop digging that hole now.
Of course I did! So are you going to say how wonderful it is that the steel isn't coming from the UK? "
Have you got something against Sweden as well as the UK? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"At least its not from China
So forumites believe that once we have a free trade deal with china, they are going to start buying steel from us!  "
They already do buy steel from us  |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Why is only 35% of the required steel for the new Type 26 Frigates being sourced from British companies with the majority coming from Sen? It's this a case of the government not believing in Britain and our industries? Of talking us down?
(Is it all Shag's fault?)
Could be all down to the grades of steel required.
The UK produces a lot of steel but not all the grades required.
So you are saying that the Brits aren't up to the job?
No he means maybe they dont produce the type required and so cant be sourced here, which is a shame. I can mix concrete from base materials would I make a mix suitable for hinkley point, not a great idea is it,horses for coursesbut hey why let it get in the way of your anti uk agenda
How it is anti UK to say it would be better if more of the steel was made by British companies rather than Sish companies?
You've been shown up on the thread that you really have no idea what you're talking about. You had no idea about different grades of steel when you posted the OP. You've been shown up, so you can stop digging that hole now.
Of course I did! So are you going to say how wonderful it is that the steel isn't coming from the UK?
Have you got something against Sweden as well as the UK?"
I would prefer the UK's economic success rather than Sweden's if I had to chose, how about you? |
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over a year ago
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"Why is only 35% of the required steel for the new Type 26 Frigates being sourced from British companies with the majority coming from Sen? It's this a case of the government not believing in Britain and our industries? Of talking us down?
(Is it all Shag's fault?)
Could be all down to the grades of steel required.
The UK produces a lot of steel but not all the grades required.
So you are saying that the Brits aren't up to the job?
No he means maybe they dont produce the type required and so cant be sourced here, which is a shame. I can mix concrete from base materials would I make a mix suitable for hinkley point, not a great idea is it,horses for coursesbut hey why let it get in the way of your anti uk agenda
How it is anti UK to say it would be better if more of the steel was made by British companies rather than Sish companies?
You've been shown up on the thread that you really have no idea what you're talking about. You had no idea about different grades of steel when you posted the OP. You've been shown up, so you can stop digging that hole now.
Of course I did! So are you going to say how wonderful it is that the steel isn't coming from the UK?
Have you got something against Sweden as well as the UK?
I would prefer the UK's economic success rather than Sweden's if I had to chose, how about you? "
Well once we've left the EU ours will be sorted. By the way, I noticed the other day our local JCB factory are setting people on. That must be bad news for you |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Why is only 35% of the required steel for the new Type 26 Frigates being sourced from British companies with the majority coming from Sen? It's this a case of the government not believing in Britain and our industries? Of talking us down?
(Is it all Shag's fault?)
Could be all down to the grades of steel required.
The UK produces a lot of steel but not all the grades required.
So you are saying that the Brits aren't up to the job?
No he means maybe they dont produce the type required and so cant be sourced here, which is a shame. I can mix concrete from base materials would I make a mix suitable for hinkley point, not a great idea is it,horses for coursesbut hey why let it get in the way of your anti uk agenda
How it is anti UK to say it would be better if more of the steel was made by British companies rather than Sish companies?
You've been shown up on the thread that you really have no idea what you're talking about. You had no idea about different grades of steel when you posted the OP. You've been shown up, so you can stop digging that hole now.
Of course I did! So are you going to say how wonderful it is that the steel isn't coming from the UK?
Have you got something against Sweden as well as the UK?
I would prefer the UK's economic success rather than Sweden's if I had to chose, how about you?
Well once we've left the EU ours will be sorted. By the way, I noticed the other day our local JCB factory are setting people on. That must be bad news for you"
Sweden are in the EU, doesn’t seem to have stopped them getting more business than UK steel producers does it? Why is it bad news for me that the local JCB are “setting people on”, I assume that must mean hiring people. I’m glad that you clarified it though as your “local” JCB factory, rather than “the JCB” factory as you know that they also have factories in India. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So CLCC, the UK buys some steel from Sweden? Big deal. Now I know that as an EU supporter you are obviously a fan of protectionism, but frankly you are starting to sound more and more like Donald Trump every day. Oh the irony |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"So CLCC, the UK buys some steel from Sweden? Big deal. Now I know that as an EU supporter you are obviously a fan of protectionism, but frankly you are starting to sound more and more like Donald Trump every day. Oh the irony"
So you are happy that jobs are leaving the UK for other countries? |
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"So CLCC, the UK buys some steel from Sweden? Big deal. Now I know that as an EU supporter you are obviously a fan of protectionism, but frankly you are starting to sound more and more like Donald Trump every day. Oh the irony
So you are happy that jobs are leaving the UK for other countries? "
Are they? Can you tell us the latest unemplowment figures released yesterday? Was it up or down? |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"So CLCC, the UK buys some steel from Sweden? Big deal. Now I know that as an EU supporter you are obviously a fan of protectionism, but frankly you are starting to sound more and more like Donald Trump every day. Oh the irony
So you are happy that jobs are leaving the UK for other countries?
Are they? Can you tell us the latest unemplowment figures released yesterday? Was it up or down?"
Yes, they are leaving the UK. Now I know you have a MASSIVE chip on your should about people who work with their brains rather than their hands, but Im surprised that you don't give a shit about steel workers either. |
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"So CLCC, the UK buys some steel from Sweden? Big deal. Now I know that as an EU supporter you are obviously a fan of protectionism, but frankly you are starting to sound more and more like Donald Trump every day. Oh the irony
So you are happy that jobs are leaving the UK for other countries?
Are they? Can you tell us the latest unemplowment figures released yesterday? Was it up or down?
Yes, they are leaving the UK. Now I know you have a MASSIVE chip on your should about people who work with their brains rather than their hands, but Im surprised that you don't give a shit about steel workers either."
Deflect again. Give me facts not opinions. If jobs are leaving the UK then how/why has unemployment fallen again? |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"So CLCC, the UK buys some steel from Sweden? Big deal. Now I know that as an EU supporter you are obviously a fan of protectionism, but frankly you are starting to sound more and more like Donald Trump every day. Oh the irony
So you are happy that jobs are leaving the UK for other countries?
Are they? Can you tell us the latest unemplowment figures released yesterday? Was it up or down?
Yes, they are leaving the UK. Now I know you have a MASSIVE chip on your should about people who work with their brains rather than their hands, but Im surprised that you don't give a shit about steel workers either.
Deflect again. Give me facts not opinions. If jobs are leaving the UK then how/why has unemployment fallen again?"
Not an opinion, a fact that jobs are leaving. High paying jobs from banking for example, or scientists and doctors from the medicines agency. Higher rate tax payers. Those are the jobs that are leaving. You seem to be under the delusion that all jobs are equal so as long as we great two zero hours contract position working in a poor house for Sport Direct everything is alright. |
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By *ir1967Man
over a year ago
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"So CLCC, the UK buys some steel from Sweden? Big deal. Now I know that as an EU supporter you are obviously a fan of protectionism, but frankly you are starting to sound more and more like Donald Trump every day. Oh the irony
So you are happy that jobs are leaving the UK for other countries?
Are they? Can you tell us the latest unemplowment figures released yesterday? Was it up or down?
Yes, they are leaving the UK. Now I know you have a MASSIVE chip on your should about people who work with their brains rather than their hands, but Im surprised that you don't give a shit about steel workers either.
Deflect again. Give me facts not opinions. If jobs are leaving the UK then how/why has unemployment fallen again?"
Uhmm because people leave too? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So CLCC, the UK buys some steel from Sweden? Big deal. Now I know that as an EU supporter you are obviously a fan of protectionism, but frankly you are starting to sound more and more like Donald Trump every day. Oh the irony
So you are happy that jobs are leaving the UK for other countries?
Are they? Can you tell us the latest unemplowment figures released yesterday? Was it up or down?
Yes, they are leaving the UK. Now I know you have a MASSIVE chip on your should about people who work with their brains rather than their hands, but Im surprised that you don't give a shit about steel workers either.
Deflect again. Give me facts not opinions. If jobs are leaving the UK then how/why has unemployment fallen again?
Not an opinion, a fact that jobs are leaving. High paying jobs from banking for example, or scientists and doctors from the medicines agency. Higher rate tax payers. Those are the jobs that are leaving. You seem to be under the delusion that all jobs are equal so as long as we great two zero hours contract position working in a poor house for Sport Direct everything is alright."
A fact that high paid jobs are leaving and high paid jobs are being created. It was always so. You are just falling for politically led bollocks. The unemployment figure is now down to 4.5% which is considered to be a 'natural' amount and the point where wages will start to rise. Are you saying that this is a bad thing for workers and for the UK? Though as one of the 4.5% I doubt it affects you much |
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"So CLCC, the UK buys some steel from Sweden? Big deal. Now I know that as an EU supporter you are obviously a fan of protectionism, but frankly you are starting to sound more and more like Donald Trump every day. Oh the irony
So you are happy that jobs are leaving the UK for other countries?
Are they? Can you tell us the latest unemplowment figures released yesterday? Was it up or down?
Yes, they are leaving the UK. Now I know you have a MASSIVE chip on your should about people who work with their brains rather than their hands, but Im surprised that you don't give a shit about steel workers either.
Deflect again. Give me facts not opinions. If jobs are leaving the UK then how/why has unemployment fallen again?
Uhmm because people leave too?"
So why has the employment figure risen too? |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"So CLCC, the UK buys some steel from Sweden? Big deal. Now I know that as an EU supporter you are obviously a fan of protectionism, but frankly you are starting to sound more and more like Donald Trump every day. Oh the irony
So you are happy that jobs are leaving the UK for other countries?
Are they? Can you tell us the latest unemplowment figures released yesterday? Was it up or down?
Yes, they are leaving the UK. Now I know you have a MASSIVE chip on your should about people who work with their brains rather than their hands, but Im surprised that you don't give a shit about steel workers either.
Deflect again. Give me facts not opinions. If jobs are leaving the UK then how/why has unemployment fallen again?
Not an opinion, a fact that jobs are leaving. High paying jobs from banking for example, or scientists and doctors from the medicines agency. Higher rate tax payers. Those are the jobs that are leaving. You seem to be under the delusion that all jobs are equal so as long as we great two zero hours contract position working in a poor house for Sport Direct everything is alright.
A fact that high paid jobs are leaving and high paid jobs are being created. It was always so. You are just falling for politically led bollocks. The unemployment figure is now down to 4.5% which is considered to be a 'natural' amount and the point where wages will start to rise. Are you saying that this is a bad thing for workers and for the UK? Though as one of the 4.5% I doubt it affects you much"
Right, because investment banking and sport direct pay the same. |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"I'd prefer if all the steel was British be great if we could build things only useing British and British labour but I'm sure that would be frowned upon on here "
Why would it? |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"I'd prefer if all the steel was British be great if we could build things only useing British and British labour but I'm sure that would be frowned upon on here "
At least you have the balls to admit it. The rest of them on here woule rather say that it's good that the work has gone to Sweden than agree with me. If I said Diane Abbott was crap, this lot would be calling for her to be PM! |
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"So CLCC, the UK buys some steel from Sweden? Big deal. Now I know that as an EU supporter you are obviously a fan of protectionism, but frankly you are starting to sound more and more like Donald Trump every day. Oh the irony
So you are happy that jobs are leaving the UK for other countries?
Are they? Can you tell us the latest unemplowment figures released yesterday? Was it up or down?
Yes, they are leaving the UK. Now I know you have a MASSIVE chip on your should about people who work with their brains rather than their hands, but Im surprised that you don't give a shit about steel workers either.
Deflect again. Give me facts not opinions. If jobs are leaving the UK then how/why has unemployment fallen again?
Not an opinion, a fact that jobs are leaving. High paying jobs from banking for example, or scientists and doctors from the medicines agency. Higher rate tax payers. Those are the jobs that are leaving. You seem to be under the delusion that all jobs are equal so as long as we great two zero hours contract position working in a poor house for Sport Direct everything is alright.
A fact that high paid jobs are leaving and high paid jobs are being created. It was always so. You are just falling for politically led bollocks. The unemployment figure is now down to 4.5% which is considered to be a 'natural' amount and the point where wages will start to rise. Are you saying that this is a bad thing for workers and for the UK? Though as one of the 4.5% I doubt it affects you much
Right, because investment banking and sport direct pay the same. "
As usual when you have no argument you resort to the ridiculous. Without 'sports direct' or whoever, who are these investment bankers going to invest in? |
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Why would it because when trump
said America first there was ppl doing fanny fits on here isn't British labour British manufacturing putting Britain first ? If may had said Britain first she would of been pelted |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"At least its not from China
So forumites believe that once we have a free trade deal with china, they are going to start buying steel from us! "
Thats not going to happen. Thats not how China works. China only looks out for China. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'd prefer if all the steel was British be great if we could build things only useing British and British labour but I'm sure that would be frowned upon on here
At least you have the balls to admit it. The rest of them on here woule rather say that it's good that the work has gone to Sweden than agree with me. If I said Diane Abbott was crap, this lot would be calling for her to be PM! "
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"So CLCC, the UK buys some steel from Sweden? Big deal. Now I know that as an EU supporter you are obviously a fan of protectionism, but frankly you are starting to sound more and more like Donald Trump every day. Oh the irony
So you are happy that jobs are leaving the UK for other countries?
Are they? Can you tell us the latest unemplowment figures released yesterday? Was it up or down?
Yes, they are leaving the UK. Now I know you have a MASSIVE chip on your should about people who work with their brains rather than their hands, but Im surprised that you don't give a shit about steel workers either.
Deflect again. Give me facts not opinions. If jobs are leaving the UK then how/why has unemployment fallen again?
Not an opinion, a fact that jobs are leaving. High paying jobs from banking for example, or scientists and doctors from the medicines agency. Higher rate tax payers. Those are the jobs that are leaving. You seem to be under the delusion that all jobs are equal so as long as we great two zero hours contract position working in a poor house for Sport Direct everything is alright.
A fact that high paid jobs are leaving and high paid jobs are being created. It was always so. You are just falling for politically led bollocks. The unemployment figure is now down to 4.5% which is considered to be a 'natural' amount and the point where wages will start to rise. Are you saying that this is a bad thing for workers and for the UK? Though as one of the 4.5% I doubt it affects you much
Right, because investment banking and sport direct pay the same.
As usual when you have no argument you resort to the ridiculous. Without 'sports direct' or whoever, who are these investment bankers going to invest in?"
It's not bollocks that investment banking pays more working in a sports direct warehouse. I'm guessing you had already left school before they got to careers advice, right? |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"At least its not from China
So forumites believe that once we have a free trade deal with china, they are going to start buying steel from us!
Thats not going to happen. Thats not how China works. China only looks out for China."
I know, its hilarious isn't it! |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Of course China looks out for China as do the USA as do Germany as do France as do the uk anyone who thinks any country is not the same is dreaming it's normal why the big deal over it ? "
So why is our government buying more Swedish steel than British steel? |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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Back when the crash happened millions wanted every banker taken out and shot for screwing the rest of us over, now according to some they are the saviour of the country, and cant see they make many times more in bonuses than many make in a year, yet what do they actually do thats so wonderful? When or if NK lets the nukes go those bankers wont be any use to anyonewe need real jobs not paper pushers living on the back of wealth creators |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Not for the Redcar plant was left to rot a few yrs back now at a cost of 3000 jobs the government weren't allowed to prop it up because of sum shit EU.rules "
Exactly my point, I doubt they would have closed if they had millions of pounds of orders. The remaining steel works also would be grateful for that kind of work, but instead we are giving it to the Swedes. |
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"Not for the Redcar plant was left to rot a few yrs back now at a cost of 3000 jobs the government weren't allowed to prop it up because of sum shit EU.rules "
The reason the plant closed was the fall in price of steel due to china over producing and dumping it on the EU at a bargain price.People need to realize the factory floor is in china and those jobs are never comming back.
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"Not for the Redcar plant was left to rot a few yrs back now at a cost of 3000 jobs the government weren't allowed to prop it up because of sum shit EU.rules The reason the plant closed was the fall in price of steel due to china over producing and dumping it on the EU at a bargain price.People need to realize the factory floor is in china and those jobs are never comming back."
But Bob, what about all the steel we sell to china? |
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"Yes it was but Germany and France pumped money into there steel industry but the uk didn't we played by the rules like fools "
You might be right.But china caused the problem.Our goverment choose not to subsidise the steel industry.I believe the steel mill was owned by a thai company that moth balled it.
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"Yes it was but Germany and France pumped money into there steel industry but the uk didn't we played by the rules like fools You might be right.But china caused the problem.Our goverment choose not to subsidise the steel industry.I believe the steel mill was owned by a thai company that moth balled it."
. I don't think the 3000 families that relied on there jobs gave a shit who owned it they just begged the government for help but fell on deaf ears
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"Not for the Redcar plant was left to rot a few yrs back now at a cost of 3000 jobs the government weren't allowed to prop it up because of sum shit EU.rules The reason the plant closed was the fall in price of steel due to china over producing and dumping it on the EU at a bargain price.People need to realize the factory floor is in china and those jobs are never comming back.
But Bob, what about all the steel we sell to china? "
You mean the grain oriented electrical steel produced at Newport? The Chinese applied tariffs of between 14 and 46% on it and accused the UK of dumping |
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"Not for the Redcar plant was left to rot a few yrs back now at a cost of 3000 jobs the government weren't allowed to prop it up because of sum shit EU.rules The reason the plant closed was the fall in price of steel due to china over producing and dumping it on the EU at a bargain price.People need to realize the factory floor is in china and those jobs are never comming back.
But Bob, what about all the steel we sell to china?
You mean the grain oriented electrical steel produced at Newport? The Chinese applied tariffs of between 14 and 46% on it and accused the UK of dumping"
Its game the politicians play we need the billions invested infrastructure
.They build a nuclear plant we play to their tune.China will be needed post brexit. |
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"Not for the Redcar plant was left to rot a few yrs back now at a cost of 3000 jobs the government weren't allowed to prop it up because of sum shit EU.rules The reason the plant closed was the fall in price of steel due to china over producing and dumping it on the EU at a bargain price.People need to realize the factory floor is in china and those jobs are never comming back.
But Bob, what about all the steel we sell to china?
You mean the grain oriented electrical steel produced at Newport? The Chinese applied tariffs of between 14 and 46% on it and accused the UK of dumping"
The Chinese produce it themselves at Baosteel and the Wuhan Iron and Steel Corporation. So how much did China buy from Newport then? |
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"Why would it because when trump
said America first there was ppl doing fanny fits on here isn't British labour British manufacturing putting Britain first ? If may had said Britain first she would of been pelted "
True, when Gordon Brown said in his 2010 Labour general election campaign that we should have British jobs for British workers none on the left batted an eyelid, buy as soon as Nigel Farage said it during the following years the left were all having a hissy fit and calling him a racist for daring to say it. |
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"I seem to remember that the closure of Dalzell steelworks, near Motherwell, was controversial, as it produced all the specialist plate required for the Royal Navy.
Happily, it has now reopened, again with Indian owners.
So if all the specialist plate is available, then why are the government buying Sish? "
Geology. The iron ore over there is of very high quality |
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over a year ago
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"I seem to remember that the closure of Dalzell steelworks, near Motherwell, was controversial, as it produced all the specialist plate required for the Royal Navy.
Happily, it has now reopened, again with Indian owners.
So if all the specialist plate is available, then why are the government buying Sish?
Geology. The iron ore over there is of very high quality"
Why are you talking Britain down? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Of course China looks out for China as do the USA as do Germany as do France as do the uk anyone who thinks any country is not the same is dreaming it's normal why the big deal over it ?
So why is our government buying more Swedish steel than British steel? "
The Government has nothing to do with it!
The warship contract is the responsibility of BAE. They put the supply of steel out to open tender, and as you know, open to all EU countries. The supply of steel for this contract, was then given to Dent Steel UK, of Bradford. They in turn, as all steel stockholders do, brought the relevant quantity and quality on the open market.
I believe, although I can't confirm it yet, that the Goverment, through their relevant agencies, did advise UK steel producers, that this contract was coming up and to get in a position to bid for it. |
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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago
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"I seem to remember that the closure of Dalzell steelworks, near Motherwell, was controversial, as it produced all the specialist plate required for the Royal Navy.
Happily, it has now reopened, again with Indian owners."
Aye which party again found a buyer to make sure no jobs were lost ? Oh we gonna get an SNP good story lol |
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"I seem to remember that the closure of Dalzell steelworks, near Motherwell, was controversial, as it produced all the specialist plate required for the Royal Navy.
Happily, it has now reopened, again with Indian owners.
Aye which party again found a buyer to make sure no jobs were lost ? Oh we gonna get an SNP good story lol "
The Scottish government's steel task force deserve credit for their part in brokering the deal. |
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"I seem to remember that the closure of Dalzell steelworks, near Motherwell, was controversial, as it produced all the specialist plate required for the Royal Navy.
Happily, it has now reopened, again with Indian owners.
So if all the specialist plate is available, then why are the government buying Sish?
Geology. The iron ore over there is of very high quality
Why are you talking Britain down?"
Touchy f*cker aren't you. Just saying, geological reasons. I"m sure our stuff will do fine
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"There is no such thing as British steel.
The steel manufacturing industry in Britain is owned by TATA, an Indian company. "
British Steel and British steel both exist.
Whilst TATA steel is a major player, British Steel is an independent company owned by Greybull Capital.
The up and coming major player is Liberty House, instrumental in taking over and improving failing steelworks. |
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"There is no such thing as British steel.
The steel manufacturing industry in Britain is owned by TATA, an Indian company. "
Not true, TATA sold the Scunthorpe Steel works last year for a quid and is now owned and operated under the name British Steel again. |
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"Yes it was but Germany and France pumped money into there steel industry but the uk didn't we played by the rules like fools You might be right.But china caused the problem.Our goverment choose not to subsidise the steel industry.I believe the steel mill was owned by a thai company that moth balled it.. I don't think the 3000 families that relied on there jobs gave a shit who owned it they just begged the government for help but fell on deaf ears "
That's because EU rules state that the british government was not allowed to! |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Yes it was but Germany and France pumped money into there steel industry but the uk didn't we played by the rules like fools You might be right.But china caused the problem.Our goverment choose not to subsidise the steel industry.I believe the steel mill was owned by a thai company that moth balled it.. I don't think the 3000 families that relied on there jobs gave a shit who owned it they just begged the government for help but fell on deaf ears
That's because EU rules state that the british government was not allowed to! "
Stop talking nonsense. You can't say that one member state can do something, but the other cant when they are both governed by the same rules. If one country broke those rules, why didnt one of the other 27 member states pursue a case through the ECJ? That is one of it's key functions after all. |
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"Yes it was but Germany and France pumped money into there steel industry but the uk didn't we played by the rules like fools You might be right.But china caused the problem.Our goverment choose not to subsidise the steel industry.I believe the steel mill was owned by a thai company that moth balled it.. I don't think the 3000 families that relied on there jobs gave a shit who owned it they just begged the government for help but fell on deaf ears
That's because EU rules state that the british government was not allowed to!
Stop talking nonsense. You can't say that one member state can do something, but the other cant when they are both governed by the same rules. If one country broke those rules, why didnt one of the other 27 member states pursue a case through the ECJ? That is one of it's key functions after all. "
Noncence ? They were told that the government could not nationalise a private company or use public funds to bail it out |
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By law EU member states cannot rescue failing companies in the steel sector.
These are rules that were agreed by every member of the EU, including the UK.
Exceptions to those rules on bailing out companies exist, but governments have to prove their economy is in danger - that's why politicians allowed the banks to be rescued.
But the EU has decided that allowing failing steel companies to go bust is good for the union as a whole.
But...
Unlikely as it may be the EU does still have the final say so it's not entirely impossible for the government to step in.
The decisions on state aid are often highly political, but ultimately the Commission can decide to approve it.
If any of the 28 member states don't agree they can challenge the decision - and that can take lots more time.
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"Yes it was but Germany and France pumped money into there steel industry but the uk didn't we played by the rules like fools You might be right.But china caused the problem.Our goverment choose not to subsidise the steel industry.I believe the steel mill was owned by a thai company that moth balled it.. I don't think the 3000 families that relied on there jobs gave a shit who owned it they just begged the government for help but fell on deaf ears
That's because EU rules state that the british government was not allowed to!
Stop talking nonsense. You can't say that one member state can do something, but the other cant when they are both governed by the same rules. If one country broke those rules, why didnt one of the other 27 member states pursue a case through the ECJ? That is one of it's key functions after all.
Noncence ? They were told that the government could not nationalise a private company or use public funds to bail it out"
Nonsense that you say other countries broke the rules, and no other country took them to court for it. |
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The UK has at any given time, until the needless closure of steel plants, been fully capable of producing all grades of steel required for worldwide production.
It's only the last 20 years that pointless cutbacks have caused various unavailability and the worlds manufacturer has been forced to source the materials elsewhere. |
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"The UK has at any given time, until the needless closure of steel plants, been fully capable of producing all grades of steel required for worldwide production.
It's only the last 20 years that pointless cutbacks have caused various unavailability and the worlds manufacturer has been forced to source the materials elsewhere."
I think it goes back further than 20 years |
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"I seem to remember that the closure of Dalzell steelworks, near Motherwell, was controversial, as it produced all the specialist plate required for the Royal Navy.
Happily, it has now reopened, again with Indian owners.
So if all the specialist plate is available, then why are the government buying Sish? "
Well it could be your beloved eus competition laws |
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"I seem to remember that the closure of Dalzell steelworks, near Motherwell, was controversial, as it produced all the specialist plate required for the Royal Navy.
Happily, it has now reopened, again with Indian owners.
So if all the specialist plate is available, then why are the government buying Sish?
Well it could be your beloved eus competition laws"
I think it's more likely to be that the steelwworks were mothballed by TATA for some time and it only reopened in September last year. Long after the steel for the ships would have been purchased.
I know some people like to try and blame the EU for everything but lets get things in perspective. |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"I seem to remember that the closure of Dalzell steelworks, near Motherwell, was controversial, as it produced all the specialist plate required for the Royal Navy.
Happily, it has now reopened, again with Indian owners.
So if all the specialist plate is available, then why are the government buying Sish?
Well it could be your beloved eus competition laws"
In what way? |
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"That's because EU rules state that the british government was not allowed to! "
Not so, EU rules have always allowed for restrictions in the bidding process where a member nations vital national interests were at stake. That successive UK governments choose not to invoke national interest in the same way as they choose not to invoke the 3 month deportation rule with EU citizens moving to the UK without work or the immediate deportation if convicted of a felony is down to the UK government not EU rules. Although in the case of British Steel it gave the UK government an opportunity to run a nationalised industry into the ground, break a powerful union and blame the RU for what it did. Of course it also did the same with the NCN and British Shipbuilders, so now we import coal from Poland and Russia and most of our shipping is built in either Norway or South Korea. Fantastic for an island sitting on foundations of coal! |
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"Not for the Redcar plant was left to rot a few yrs back now at a cost of 3000 jobs the government weren't allowed to prop it up because of sum shit EU.rules The reason the plant closed was the fall in price of steel due to china over producing and dumping it on the EU at a bargain price.People need to realize the factory floor is in china and those jobs are never comming back.
But Bob, what about all the steel we sell to china?
You mean the grain oriented electrical steel produced at Newport? The Chinese applied tariffs of between 14 and 46% on it and accused the UK of dumping
The Chinese produce it themselves at Baosteel and the Wuhan Iron and Steel Corporation. So how much did China buy from Newport then?"
Come on CandM, how much steel did China buy from the UK last year? |
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The UK government are already contracted to purchasing high amounts of british steel, perhaps they don't have the capacity to produce all that the UK government require? |
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Ive heard china bought British steel for railway lines as it was the best for that, while people here where pissed that the UK government bought Chinese steel for ours as it was cheaper... But wont last as long or be as good.
I think the main difference is other eu nations saw buying local as a investment, while our governments would rather take a short term saving. Over time that's decayed our industry. |
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"Why is only 35% of the required steel for the new Type 26 Frigates being sourced from British companies with the majority coming from Sen? It's this a case of the government not believing in Britain and our industries? Of talking us down?
(Is it all Shag's fault?)"
Have you got any idea of how good Swedish steel is ? Don't talk if you are not aware |
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"Why is only 35% of the required steel for the new Type 26 Frigates being sourced from British companies with the majority coming from Sen? It's this a case of the government not believing in Britain and our industries? Of talking us down?
(Is it all Shag's fault?)
Have you got any idea of how good Swedish steel is ? Don't talk if you are not aware "
Anything that Britain makes is better than what other countries make. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Why is only 35% of the required steel for the new Type 26 Frigates being sourced from British companies with the majority coming from Sen? It's this a case of the government not believing in Britain and our industries? Of talking us down?
(Is it all Shag's fault?)
Have you got any idea of how good Swedish steel is ? Don't talk if you are not aware
Anything that Britain makes is better than what other countries make. "
That's a strange outlook to have.
Some stuff that the UK makes is world class, then some stuff is not as good as produced by other countries. |
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"Why is only 35% of the required steel for the new Type 26 Frigates being sourced from British companies with the majority coming from Sen? It's this a case of the government not believing in Britain and our industries? Of talking us down?
(Is it all Shag's fault?)
Have you got any idea of how good Swedish steel is ? Don't talk if you are not aware
Anything that Britain makes is better than what other countries make.
That's a strange outlook to have.
Some stuff that the UK makes is world class, then some stuff is not as good as produced by other countries."
Stop talking the country down. |
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"So CLCC, the UK buys some steel from Sweden? Big deal. Now I know that as an EU supporter you are obviously a fan of protectionism, but frankly you are starting to sound more and more like Donald Trump every day. Oh the irony
So you are happy that jobs are leaving the UK for other countries?
Are they? Can you tell us the latest unemplowment figures released yesterday? Was it up or down?
Yes, they are leaving the UK. Now I know you have a MASSIVE chip on your should about people who work with their brains rather than their hands, but Im surprised that you don't give a shit about steel workers either."
I would have thought that people with brains would know how to spell Swedish.
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"Because our steel industry as been screwed over for yrs it's not as big as it once was
So a multi-million pound order would have done it wonders then!"
This might help you:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/public-sector-procurement-policy#public-contracts-regulations-2015
Broadly speaking my understanding is that sovereign states within the EU should not favour their own industries when awarding public sector contracts. It's to do with the free movement of good and services one of the pillars of the EU.
In this situation, it appears the company manufacturing steel in Britain (if they did submit a bid) was not as competitive as the company that has been awarded the contract. |
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"Because our steel industry as been screwed over for yrs it's not as big as it once was
So a multi-million pound order would have done it wonders then!
This might help you:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/public-sector-procurement-policy#public-contracts-regulations-2015
Broadly speaking my understanding is that sovereign states within the EU should not favour their own industries when awarding public sector contracts. It's to do with the free movement of good and services one of the pillars of the EU.
In this situation, it appears the company manufacturing steel in Britain (if they did submit a bid) was not as competitive as the company that has been awarded the contract. "
A foreign company couldn't have undercut a British company. British companies are the best. |
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