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EU predicts that brexit will be reversed

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

They feel that uk might realise what a mistake they will do as they are in uncharted territory, that was after wolfgang schäubles comment this week, what is your view? Will brexit happen? I reckon it wont

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh shag

you still living in hope ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Oh shag

you still living in hope ?

"
No I dont, but it is fun with all these twists and turns, you never know lol.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

I imagine that someone will bring it to the ECJ to see if article 50 is reversible or not.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

Shaq stop wanking over the thought of a no brexit mate there's lots of babes on here to d o that over its happening get over it ffs

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By *xplicitlyricsMan over a year ago

south dublin

Given how unprepared the Tories have been its making Brexit a worse situation than it could have been for the UK. We're 2 weeks away from the financial companies delivering their Brexit strategies and because of the length of time and the Tories mouthing off about no deal being just fine they all have to prepare for the worst.

A dozen financial companies including a couple American banks have already committed to Dublin post Brexit for their EU base. Theres a few thousand jobs we've gained already. Never mind that Frankfurt is going to be the big winner and get even more.

If May had agreed a transitional arrangement before triggering Article 50 then the finance companies could have waited to see what a deal would be. But because of the length of time it takes to arrange this stuff for them they have to have their plans set now and operate under the assumption there'll be no deal. Disastrous for the the UK jobs market.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"Given how unprepared the Tories have been its making Brexit a worse situation than it could have been for the UK. We're 2 weeks away from the financial companies delivering their Brexit strategies and because of the length of time and the Tories mouthing off about no deal being just fine they all have to prepare for the worst.

Yeah it's going to be interesting to see what those arrangements are. Brexiters said it was just "project fear" saying banks would leave. I wonder what they will say in two weeks time. "Oh we always wanted those high paid jobs to leave the UK"?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Of course some jobs will go. For now. But why would banks move to an area where the currency will eventually fail?

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By *bandjam91Couple over a year ago

London

Of course some jobs will go. For now. But why would banks move to an area where the currency will eventually fail?"

Eventually? I thought it was imminent?

Anyway, maybe they'll still keep making money trading multiple currencies using all that global talent they can still access?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They feel that uk might realise what a mistake they will do as they are in uncharted territory, that was after wolfgang schäubles comment this week, what is your view? Will brexit happen? I reckon it wont

It's now an unstoppable force...if we decided to stay now, we'd get royally fucked by Brussels over every single arrangement, agreement and policy...the EU would quite simply hold us to ransom and punish us for having the temerity to even think about leaving in the first place.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan over a year ago

south dublin

Of course some jobs will go. For now. But why would banks move to an area where the currency will eventually fail?"

Nobody but Brexiters believe the euro is going to fail. Every single EU economy is outperforming the UK right now and you havent even hit the worst of the Brexit fallout yet.

Dublins already guaranteed at least 12 of the big financial companies and Paris and Frankfurt are going to get more than we will. Some jobs means a lot of jobs and this is only the initial moves, several of the banks are already planning successive moves over time.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan over a year ago

south dublin

Its not in the EUs interest to punish one of their own like that and it would lead to instability if they did. If the UK stays then it will be in everyones interest for all of us to benefit. If the UK leaves then its in the EUs interest to see Brexit fail.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Of course some jobs will go. For now. But why would banks move to an area where the currency will eventually fail?

Eventually? I thought it was imminent?

Anyway, maybe they'll still keep making money trading multiple currencies using all that global talent they can still access?

Whatever. So out of curiosity you think that the eurozone is a success and a good idea on the part of your EU masters? Because I'm sat in a bar in Spain with a gang of bin men and bar workers who would tell you to take the EU toma por culo

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Of course some jobs will go. For now. But why would banks move to an area where the currency will eventually fail?

Nobody but Brexiters believe the euro is going to fail. Every single EU economy is outperforming the UK right now and you havent even hit the worst of the Brexit fallout yet.

You are deluded youth. Where is Antwerp?

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By *bandjam91Couple over a year ago

London

Of course some jobs will go. For now. But why would banks move to an area where the currency will eventually fail?

Eventually? I thought it was imminent?

Anyway, maybe they'll still keep making money trading multiple currencies using all that global talent they can still access?

What does any of this mean? Other than you're happy because you think you've found a bitter soul mate?

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

Brexit is just one of the problems that the EU has right now.

When we leave, there will be a E15 billion per year hole in their finances. I see that some member states are already positioning themselves on this issue. I'm sure that they will settle this, but some members won't be happy having to contribute or contribute more, if France and Germany carve up our banking jobs between them.

There are approximately 2500 migrants a day arriving in Italy, and they have publicly said that other member states are not doing enough to take these people. The Mayor of Rome has said that she will not take any more, and issues still surround migration in eastern member states such as Bulgaria and Romania.

Italy has started to close and bail out some banks, and their banking system has issues with huge non performing loans (NPL), and should these go belly up, then it will overshadow anything that went on in Greece.

Angela Merkel will win the forthcoming German election; populism is dead but even she has started to make concessions. She has long resisted same sex marriage, but has had to concede on this issue. I'm sure smaller parties will begin to push for their agendas in Germany, hoping to cash in on Frau Merkel's new found "generosity".

Interesting times ahead.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It will be reversed but not until we destroy our country and economy .About 20 years is my guess.Bring it on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Tim Farron keeps saying that he accepts the result of the EU referendum, but then keeps banging on about staying in the single market and all manner of other options to keep us in the EU demonstrating that, in truth, he really doesn't accept the result.

Good job he's standing down.

I was pleased to see Chuka Umunna's amendment (to remain in the single market) defeated the other day.

So many of these politicians, who claim that this or that wasn't on the ballot last year in their desperate attempts to thwart the outcome.

Let's face it, we voted to leave, so why would the british people accept remaining in the single market, a condition of which is freedom of movement?

Many voted to leave because of the lack of limits on those coming here from the EU. None of us are against immigration, but it's the fact that we have had no control over the numbers that was probably one of the biggest factors contributing towards the result.

Those in the EU who think that we might want to undo our exit etc are amongst those poor deluded fools who thin that the EU is still a massive success.

Poor deluded fools

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

"Tim Farron keeps saying that he accepts the result of the EU referendum, but then keeps banging on about staying in the single market and all manner of other options to keep us in the EU demonstrating that, in truth, he really doesn't accept the result.

Good job he's standing down.

I was pleased to see Chuka Umunna's amendment (to remain in the single market) defeated the other day.

So many of these politicians, who claim that this or that wasn't on the ballot last year in their desperate attempts to thwart the outcome.

Let's face it, we voted to leave, so why would the british people accept remaining in the single market, a condition of which is freedom of movement?

Those in the EU who think that we might want to undo our exit etc are amongst those poor deluded fools who thin that the EU is still a massive success.

Poor deluded fools"

Ok, so you say many of you voted due to immigration. Yet the UK govt has had total control of non-EU immigration, but yet that has been way over the target that May has missed for seven or so years. Please can you tell me why you now think that after Brexit they government will bring immigration down significantly? I'm just curious what your reasoning is, as no matter how hard I look at it I just don't see how or why they will.

-Matt

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

Good job he's standing down.

I was pleased to see Chuka Umunna's amendment (to remain in the single market) defeated the other day.

So many of these politicians, who claim that this or that wasn't on the ballot last year in their desperate attempts to thwart the outcome.

Let's face it, we voted to leave, so why would the british people accept remaining in the single market, a condition of which is freedom of movement?

Those in the EU who think that we might want to undo our exit etc are amongst those poor deluded fools who thin that the EU is still a massive success.

Poor deluded fools"

But it's simply untrue to say that we lack the ability to limit those coming from the EU whilst remaining in the EU. Belgium, Lichtenstein, Switzerland and others all operate far stricter controls on citizens from the Single Market who want to become permanent residents. We could do so here without leaving the Single Market or the EU. What makes you, or any BREXITer, believe the government is going to do more to control immigration after BREXIT when it's not even doing everything it can now to control it now anyway?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

Between 2004 and 2017 the UK has had the legal power to limit migration from some EU countries. In that time you have had Labour, Conservative and ConDem coalition. None of these governments chose to limit immigration. They had control, and chose not to exercise it. Why will this change after Brexit?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Shaq stop wanking over the thought of a no brexit mate there's lots of babes on here to d o that over its happening get over it ffs "
You never know what could could happen lol.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Good job he's standing down.

I was pleased to see Chuka Umunna's amendment (to remain in the single market) defeated the other day.

So many of these politicians, who claim that this or that wasn't on the ballot last year in their desperate attempts to thwart the outcome.

Let's face it, we voted to leave, so why would the british people accept remaining in the single market, a condition of which is freedom of movement?

Those in the EU who think that we might want to undo our exit etc are amongst those poor deluded fools who thin that the EU is still a massive success.

Poor deluded fools"
EU dont need england, they simply give them an option to rethink their mistake that will unfold.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Between 2004 and 2017 the UK has had the legal power to limit migration from some EU countries. In that time you have had Labour, Conservative and ConDem coalition. None of these governments chose to limit immigration. They had control, and chose not to exercise it. Why will this change after Brexit? "

Duh? Because the people have now made it clear that that is what they want?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Good job he's standing down.

I was pleased to see Chuka Umunna's amendment (to remain in the single market) defeated the other day.

So many of these politicians, who claim that this or that wasn't on the ballot last year in their desperate attempts to thwart the outcome.

Let's face it, we voted to leave, so why would the british people accept remaining in the single market, a condition of which is freedom of movement?

Those in the EU who think that we might want to undo our exit etc are amongst those poor deluded fools who thin that the EU is still a massive success.

Poor deluded foolsEU dont need england, they simply give them an option to rethink their mistake that will unfold."

Why do you live in England?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

Duh? Because the people have now made it clear that that is what they want?"

What has changed between say June 2016 and Jan 2017 then? When didn't the government limit immigration then? May could have done it either as HS or PM. Why didn't she?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Duh? Because the people have now made it clear that that is what they want?

What has changed between say June 2016 and Jan 2017 then? When didn't the government limit immigration then? May could have done it either as HS or PM. Why didn't she? "

She couldn't do anything then we are still in the EU if you remember and once that is sorted tighter controls will be placed on people from outside the EU because the racism card will be harder to play and things have progressed slightly from big business having the say on cheap labour immigration to poor people having a say. You don't realise whose side you are on. I might be rambling a bit again porque estoy en Espana y el Rioja esta noche es muy fuerte

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Good job he's standing down.

I was pleased to see Chuka Umunna's amendment (to remain in the single market) defeated the other day.

So many of these politicians, who claim that this or that wasn't on the ballot last year in their desperate attempts to thwart the outcome.

Let's face it, we voted to leave, so why would the british people accept remaining in the single market, a condition of which is freedom of movement?

Those in the EU who think that we might want to undo our exit etc are amongst those poor deluded fools who thin that the EU is still a massive success.

Poor deluded foolsEU dont need england, they simply give them an option to rethink their mistake that will unfold.

Why do you live in England?"
It is temporarily, everyone knows brexit is a bad decision, sure a brexiter wouldnt think it was.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It hasn't stopped them treating us like shit in the past, demanding more whilst offering less, so what makes you think they'd be any different if we DID stay? Really.

It's in the EU's interest for us to stay in, not this country's interest.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

Duh? Because the people have now made it clear that that is what they want?

What has changed between say June 2016 and Jan 2017 then? When didn't the government limit immigration then? May could have done it either as HS or PM. Why didn't she?

They could have done and didn't, that's the whole point! A big load of countries, Poland etc. joined in 2004, and the UK could have imposed limits on them anytime for a 10 year period. That was 10 years of Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem government. They had control, and did not limit immigration.

In 2007 Romania and Bulgaria joined the EU, and again, the government had 10 years of control to limit immigration, yet they did not. This again was during Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem government. Since 2010 the conservative have had it in their manifesto to reduce immigration to less than 100,000 and have been the biggest party elected since 2010, so why haven't they done it? If after the referendum, with May as PM, she still hasn't limited it. They haven't even reduced non-EU immigration to less than 100k.

Why do you believe they will reduce immigration when they have had the power to do so since 2004 from the EU, and indefinitely from non-EU countries?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

Duh? Because the people have now made it clear that that is what they want?

What has changed between say June 2016 and Jan 2017 then? When didn't the government limit immigration then? May could have done it either as HS or PM. Why didn't she?

It's fine to ramble after a bit of Rioja, we all do that from time to time.

But it's not OK to keep lying about the EU stopping us from introducing stricter immigration controls on people coming from the EU. It's already been pointed out to you that we can, and always could, introduce stricter controls from the EU if we choose. You've also already been given a few examples of what extra controls we can, and always could have, introduce whether in the EU or not. But you've still not really answered the question asked of you last time you tried to peddle the EU immigration lie, which is:- 'Why do you think any government will do more to control immigration if we leave the single market when no government has even done what they could to now?'

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

Good job he's standing down.

I was pleased to see Chuka Umunna's amendment (to remain in the single market) defeated the other day.

So many of these politicians, who claim that this or that wasn't on the ballot last year in their desperate attempts to thwart the outcome.

Let's face it, we voted to leave, so why would the british people accept remaining in the single market, a condition of which is freedom of movement?

Those in the EU who think that we might want to undo our exit etc are amongst those poor deluded fools who thin that the EU is still a massive success.

Poor deluded fools"

Great post and completely agree. The people who voted Leave in the EU referendum knew they were voting to Leave the single market, the Prime Minister at the time David Cameron and his chancellor George Osborne said it over and over and over and over and over again...."a vote to Leave means leaving the single market". The people knew exactly what they were voting for when they voted Leave.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

Good job he's standing down.

I was pleased to see Chuka Umunna's amendment (to remain in the single market) defeated the other day.

So many of these politicians, who claim that this or that wasn't on the ballot last year in their desperate attempts to thwart the outcome.

Let's face it, we voted to leave, so why would the british people accept remaining in the single market, a condition of which is freedom of movement?

Those in the EU who think that we might want to undo our exit etc are amongst those poor deluded fools who thin that the EU is still a massive success.

Poor deluded fools

Right, so if you agree "Many voted to leave because of the lack of limits on those coming here from the EU" please explain why Blair, Brown, Cameron and May have all been able to limit some migration from the EU and have not, even though some vowed to do in their manifestos.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

You start to contemplate that there wasn't any Conservative plan per se, it was largely May spouting bollocks, as advised by the unelected spin doctors who have been axed now.

It's no wonder that the election campaign said virtually nothing but vote for cons and get this stable pile of incompetent excrement

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

Good job he's standing down.

I was pleased to see Chuka Umunna's amendment (to remain in the single market) defeated the other day.

So many of these politicians, who claim that this or that wasn't on the ballot last year in their desperate attempts to thwart the outcome.

Let's face it, we voted to leave, so why would the british people accept remaining in the single market, a condition of which is freedom of movement?

Those in the EU who think that we might want to undo our exit etc are amongst those poor deluded fools who thin that the EU is still a massive success.

Poor deluded fools

Of course you think it's s great post because it continues to propagate the BREXIT lie that there's nothing we can do to control immigration while in the EU.

It's turning out the more people look into everything the leave campaign said the more it turns out to be nothing more than a pack of deception and lies.

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By *tillup4funMan over a year ago

Wakefield

Good job he's standing down.

I was pleased to see Chuka Umunna's amendment (to remain in the single market) defeated the other day.

So many of these politicians, who claim that this or that wasn't on the ballot last year in their desperate attempts to thwart the outcome.

Let's face it, we voted to leave, so why would the british people accept remaining in the single market, a condition of which is freedom of movement?

Those in the EU who think that we might want to undo our exit etc are amongst those poor deluded fools who thin that the EU is still a massive success.

Poor deluded fools

Of course you think it's s great post because it continues to propagate the BREXIT lie that there's nothing we can do to control immigration while in the EU.

It's turning out the more people look into everything the leave campaign said the more it turns out to be nothing more than a pack of deception and lies."

So if you know this is true WHY don't MPs who want to stay in the EU demand an answer to that question. Also why was,nt it shouted about BEFORE the referendum and David Cameron made to explain why these rules were not being used. It would have saved us all from this mess right from the start.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

Good job he's standing down.

I was pleased to see Chuka Umunna's amendment (to remain in the single market) defeated the other day.

So many of these politicians, who claim that this or that wasn't on the ballot last year in their desperate attempts to thwart the outcome.

Let's face it, we voted to leave, so why would the british people accept remaining in the single market, a condition of which is freedom of movement?

Those in the EU who think that we might want to undo our exit etc are amongst those poor deluded fools who thin that the EU is still a massive success.

Poor deluded fools

Of course you think it's s great post because it continues to propagate the BREXIT lie that there's nothing we can do to control immigration while in the EU.

It's turning out the more people look into everything the leave campaign said the more it turns out to be nothing more than a pack of deception and lies.

You were told, but chose not to listen.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

Good job he's standing down.

I was pleased to see Chuka Umunna's amendment (to remain in the single market) defeated the other day.

So many of these politicians, who claim that this or that wasn't on the ballot last year in their desperate attempts to thwart the outcome.

Let's face it, we voted to leave, so why would the british people accept remaining in the single market, a condition of which is freedom of movement?

Those in the EU who think that we might want to undo our exit etc are amongst those poor deluded fools who thin that the EU is still a massive success.

Poor deluded fools

Of course you think it's s great post because it continues to propagate the BREXIT lie that there's nothing we can do to control immigration while in the EU.

It's turning out the more people look into everything the leave campaign said the more it turns out to be nothing more than a pack of deception and lies.

It may have saved all of us from this mess but, as politicians from all parties have been saying for years "there's nothing we can do to control immigration because we're in the EU" they couldn't turn round and say "Oh, sorry, that's not true. We could actually have done more".

Whilst some have made the argument that we could have done more to control immigration from the EU and others have argued that immigration from the EU is actually a good thing the problem for many politicians is this. Politicians believe that immigration is unpopular with the electorate but they also believe that immigration improves the British economy. Therefore the perfect answer was 'We'd like to do something about immigration but we can't because we're in the EU". A lot easier than actually trying to make the positive economic argument in favour of immigration or taking measure to actually control EU immigration when they believed that would actually harm the British economy. But, as we are all starting to discover in this and other areas, you can't have you cake and eat it.

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

Good job he's standing down.

I was pleased to see Chuka Umunna's amendment (to remain in the single market) defeated the other day.

So many of these politicians, who claim that this or that wasn't on the ballot last year in their desperate attempts to thwart the outcome.

Let's face it, we voted to leave, so why would the british people accept remaining in the single market, a condition of which is freedom of movement?

Those in the EU who think that we might want to undo our exit etc are amongst those poor deluded fools who thin that the EU is still a massive success.

Poor deluded fools

Of course you think it's s great post because it continues to propagate the BREXIT lie that there's nothing we can do to control immigration while in the EU.

It's turning out the more people look into everything the leave campaign said the more it turns out to be nothing more than a pack of deception and lies.

You were told, but chose not to listen."

Sources please.

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By *tillup4funMan over a year ago

Wakefield

Good job he's standing down.

I was pleased to see Chuka Umunna's amendment (to remain in the single market) defeated the other day.

So many of these politicians, who claim that this or that wasn't on the ballot last year in their desperate attempts to thwart the outcome.

Let's face it, we voted to leave, so why would the british people accept remaining in the single market, a condition of which is freedom of movement?

Those in the EU who think that we might want to undo our exit etc are amongst those poor deluded fools who thin that the EU is still a massive success.

Poor deluded fools

Of course you think it's s great post because it continues to propagate the BREXIT lie that there's nothing we can do to control immigration while in the EU.

It's turning out the more people look into everything the leave campaign said the more it turns out to be nothing more than a pack of deception and lies.

So your telling me that Tim Farron and others knew all this but kept their mouths shut instead of making a big deal about it in Parliament. If it meant so much I,m sure the top Remainers would have done something about it if they could.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

Good job he's standing down.

I was pleased to see Chuka Umunna's amendment (to remain in the single market) defeated the other day.

So many of these politicians, who claim that this or that wasn't on the ballot last year in their desperate attempts to thwart the outcome.

Let's face it, we voted to leave, so why would the british people accept remaining in the single market, a condition of which is freedom of movement?

Those in the EU who think that we might want to undo our exit etc are amongst those poor deluded fools who thin that the EU is still a massive success.

Poor deluded fools

Of course you think it's s great post because it continues to propagate the BREXIT lie that there's nothing we can do to control immigration while in the EU.

It's turning out the more people look into everything the leave campaign said the more it turns out to be nothing more than a pack of deception and lies.

I'm not telling you anything about what Tim Farron said. What i am telling you is that you've been mislead about immigration and the EU. I told you this pre referendum and put links to sites that pointed this out. If you didn't read them then you probably won't read them now but, if you do actually want to find out, you can always Google yourself.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

Good job he's standing down.

I was pleased to see Chuka Umunna's amendment (to remain in the single market) defeated the other day.

So many of these politicians, who claim that this or that wasn't on the ballot last year in their desperate attempts to thwart the outcome.

Let's face it, we voted to leave, so why would the british people accept remaining in the single market, a condition of which is freedom of movement?

Those in the EU who think that we might want to undo our exit etc are amongst those poor deluded fools who thin that the EU is still a massive success.

Poor deluded fools

Of course you think it's s great post because it continues to propagate the BREXIT lie that there's nothing we can do to control immigration while in the EU.

It's turning out the more people look into everything the leave campaign said the more it turns out to be nothing more than a pack of deception and lies.

You were told, but chose not to listen.

Sources please."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21039087

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25565302

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_enlargement_of_the_European_Union#Free_movement_issues

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By *xplicitlyricsMan over a year ago

south dublin

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/poll-european-eu-rights-brexit

60% of Brits would pay to retain their EU citizenship and rights.

May and the Brexiters are deluding themselves thinking that people want a hard Brexit. If they did then why are 60% willing to pay an average of £400 to keep the rights they have?

Not to mention that Mays now viewed unfavourably with a majority of Brits today and Corbyns popularity has surged. If the election was held this week then Corbyn would be the favourite to be PM.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/poll-european-eu-rights-brexit

60% of Brits would pay to retain their EU citizenship and rights.

May and the Brexiters are deluding themselves thinking that people want a hard Brexit. If they did then why are 60% willing to pay an average of £400 to keep the rights they have?

Not to mention that Mays now viewed unfavourably with a majority of Brits today and Corbyns popularity has surged. If the election was held this week then Corbyn would be the favourite to be PM."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes Labour may well win an election if it was held today......But it was held weeks ago now......And funnily Corbyn is the only leader who has consistently held anti-EU views prior to the vote. May the great Brexiteer was and i believe remains pre EU at heart. But is too scared to try water down our exit due to the rabid right of her party

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Yes Labour may well win an election if it was held today......But it was held weeks ago now......And funnily Corbyn is the only leader who has consistently held anti-EU views prior to the vote. May the great Brexiteer was and i believe remains pre EU at heart. But is too scared to try water down our exit due to the rabid right of her party "

Yep, as the vote on Chukka Ummuna's ammendment to stay in the single market and the customs unions showed last week the Labour party policy is to take us out of the single market and the customs union when we leave the EU. Corbyn rejected Chukka's ammendment and instructed the Labour whip to vote against it. We'd be leaving the single market and the customs union if we had a Labour government so it really makes no difference. The Conservative policy on Brexit is to leave the single market and the customs union as well.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/poll-european-eu-rights-brexit

60% of Brits would pay to retain their EU citizenship and rights.

May and the Brexiters are deluding themselves thinking that people want a hard Brexit. If they did then why are 60% willing to pay an average of £400 to keep the rights they have?

Not to mention that Mays now viewed unfavourably with a majority of Brits today and Corbyns popularity has surged. If the election was held this week then Corbyn would be the favourite to be PM."

I voted for a hard Brexit when I voted leave. I knew exactly what I was voting for. I voted to leave the EU and come out of the single market and the customs union. If others want to pay £400 for EU rights more fool them, I'll be happily burning my current EU passport when it expires and i look forward to getting my new 100% British passport. If Corbyn wins the next election then we are still leaving the EU and coming out of the single market and the customs union. The vote in Parliament last week more than proved this.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/poll-european-eu-rights-brexit

60% of Brits would pay to retain their EU citizenship and rights.

May and the Brexiters are deluding themselves thinking that people want a hard Brexit. If they did then why are 60% willing to pay an average of £400 to keep the rights they have?

Not to mention that Mays now viewed unfavourably with a majority of Brits today and Corbyns popularity has surged. If the election was held this week then Corbyn would be the favourite to be PM.

Yet too cowardly to admit that we did have some controls over immigration from the EU, and full control from non-EU countries?

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By *xplicitlyricsMan over a year ago

south dublin

"https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/poll-european-eu-rights-brexit

60% of Brits would pay to retain their EU citizenship and rights.

May and the Brexiters are deluding themselves thinking that people want a hard Brexit. If they did then why are 60% willing to pay an average of £400 to keep the rights they have?

Not to mention that Mays now viewed unfavourably with a majority of Brits today and Corbyns popularity has surged. If the election was held this week then Corbyn would be the favourite to be PM.

Yes but yours is a minority opinion now. To take away the rights that British citizens have goes against the will of the people.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

As you have been told already a number of times. It is not Labour policy to leave the Single Market or the Customs Union. It's also not Labour policy to stay in them either. What Labour's policy actually is, as set out in their manifesto, is to keep the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union. Labour's policy as stated by most of their MPs since the election, is not to rule out membership of the Single Market or Customs Union but also not to rule it in either.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

It hasn't stopped them treating us like shit in the past, demanding more whilst offering less, so what makes you think they'd be any different if we DID stay? Really.

It's in the EU's interest for us to stay in, not this country's interest. "

very true

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

As you've been told several times since, events have moved on now since the general election and what was in the manifesto. The vote on single market and customs union membership last week has cleared up any confusion there may have been before hand. It's crystal clear now the Labour leadership, the Labour front bench and the Labour policy on Brexit is to leave the single market and the customs union. Chukka tried to force Corbyn's hand on this and it was rejected. Corbyn is the leader of the Labour party and he wants out of the single market and the customs union.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan over a year ago

south dublin

The Treasury has an unpublished report that outlines the cost of leaving the customs union and the benefits of future trade agreement with the rest of the world. And it lines up pretty well with the research from the UKs NIESR.

Not suprisingly its grim reading for the UK. Leaving the customs union would not only devastate intra europe trade it would reduce Britains worldwide trade by 22% (increasing to 30% if they leave the EU without a trade agreement) and the proposed agreements they could sign with the Anglo-American and BRIICS countries would only recover 5%.

http://www.cer.eu/insights/britain-prepares-softer-brexit

https://www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/will-new-trade-deals-soften-blow-hard-brexit

Not to mention that the loss of the current agreements would have an immediate impact and the new deals would take years to negotiate, implement and have an effect on the economy.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

I'm not relying on Corbyn or McDonald to rescue us from BTEXIT. I've been saying since before the referendum that they are both BREXITers. What I'm refuting is yours and other BREXITers lie that the Labour Party manifesto supported leaving the Single Market and Customs Union. It didn't. The only thing their manifesto actually made clear was that Labour was not in favour of a 'no deal is better than a bad deal' hard BREXIT. I'm also refuting your lie that opposing or abstaining from a vote to commit the UK to be in the Single Market and Customs Union changes the Labour party position which currently is not to either rule in or out of negotiations being in either or both. And that's the truth without BREXIT or remain spin on it.

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

It hasn't stopped them treating us like shit in the past, demanding more whilst offering less, so what makes you think they'd be any different if we DID stay? Really.

It's in the EU's interest for us to stay in, not this country's interest.

very true"

Not very true; in fact not true at all, unless economic suicide is a good thing for the country.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/poll-european-eu-rights-brexit

60% of Brits would pay to retain their EU citizenship and rights.

May and the Brexiters are deluding themselves thinking that people want a hard Brexit. If they did then why are 60% willing to pay an average of £400 to keep the rights they have?

Not to mention that Mays now viewed unfavourably with a majority of Brits today and Corbyns popularity has surged. If the election was held this week then Corbyn would be the favourite to be PM.

Yet too cowardly to admit that we did have some controls over immigration from the EU, and full control from non-EU countries? "

Cat got your tongue centaur?

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By *xplicitlyricsMan over a year ago

south dublin

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Pretty much sums Brexit up in one article. The UK was in a particularly good position and is throwing it away and the longer the negotiations last the more obvious it becomes. How long until public opinion solidly turns against Brexit?"
That is right as most brexiters is narrow minded and just thinks of immigration and as one said above it is economic suicide. I give it 1 year before they realise it.

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By *wingtolifeCouple over a year ago

who knows

The powers that be will not allow a brexit.

Theyll be talk of this talk of that look over there nothing to see here, theyll be loads if propaganda to sway voters etc etc and in the end if tories are in charge nothing will be done about it.

Just loads of money spent on meetings and talks

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By *utandbigMan over a year ago

Bournemouth

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Pretty much sums Brexit up in one article. The UK was in a particularly good position and is throwing it away and the longer the negotiations last the more obvious it becomes. How long until public opinion solidly turns against Brexit?That is right as most brexiters is narrow minded and just thinks of immigration and as one said above it is economic suicide. I give it 1 year before they realise it."

I wouldn't give it that long

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Err never. Where's Antwerp?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The powers that be will not allow a brexit.

Theyll be talk of this talk of that look over there nothing to see here, theyll be loads if propaganda to sway voters etc etc and in the end if tories are in charge nothing will be done about it.

Just loads of money spent on meetings and talks"

So you're a tory supporter now? Make your mind up

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Pretty much sums Brexit up in one article. The UK was in a particularly good position and is throwing it away and the longer the negotiations last the more obvious it becomes. How long until public opinion solidly turns against Brexit?That is right as most brexiters is narrow minded and just thinks of immigration and as one said above it is economic suicide. I give it 1 year before they realise it.

I wouldn't give it that long

Just look how quick brexiters are drying up on here

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Pretty much sums Brexit up in one article. The UK was in a particularly good position and is throwing it away and the longer the negotiations last the more obvious it becomes. How long until public opinion solidly turns against Brexit?That is right as most brexiters is narrow minded and just thinks of immigration and as one said above it is economic suicide. I give it 1 year before they realise it.

I wouldn't give it that long

Just look how quick brexiters are drying up on here"

No point in talking to people who are so deaf they cant hear.

Brexit supporters are content to let things play out, we arent scared of the future as we know we can and will thrive, only losers are afraid of change, not everything will go to plan but winners adapt and use change for the best. I feel sorry for those remainers who are so scared of the future they cant move on because they cant or wont adapt

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By *xplicitlyricsMan over a year ago

south dublin

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Err never. Where's Antwerp?"

Antwerps still in belgium. Are you referring to last week when I pointed out that Belgiums a bigger export market than the UK for Ireland? Because that still has nothing to do with the port these are largely to do with pharmaceuticals and medical equipment and knowledge economy.

Bless your heart, have you spent the last week thinking you were right about something for once and thats why youre bringing up Antwerp at random?

Wow, it shows how starved you are for a win in these discussions of youre bringing up a point from a week ago and even worse youre wrong about it

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

Well said

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Pretty much sums Brexit up in one article. The UK was in a particularly good position and is throwing it away and the longer the negotiations last the more obvious it becomes. How long until public opinion solidly turns against Brexit?That is right as most brexiters is narrow minded and just thinks of immigration and as one said above it is economic suicide. I give it 1 year before they realise it.

I wouldn't give it that long

"
Yes or few months

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Pretty much sums Brexit up in one article. The UK was in a particularly good position and is throwing it away and the longer the negotiations last the more obvious it becomes. How long until public opinion solidly turns against Brexit?That is right as most brexiters is narrow minded and just thinks of immigration and as one said above it is economic suicide. I give it 1 year before they realise it.

I wouldn't give it that long

Just look how quick brexiters are drying up on here"
I noticed that too.

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By *wingtolifeCouple over a year ago

who knows

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Pretty much sums Brexit up in one article. The UK was in a particularly good position and is throwing it away and the longer the negotiations last the more obvious it becomes. How long until public opinion solidly turns against Brexit?That is right as most brexiters is narrow minded and just thinks of immigration and as one said above it is economic suicide. I give it 1 year before they realise it.

I wouldn't give it that long

Just look how quick brexiters are drying up on hereI noticed that too."
all going to plan

the eu overlords will not let the EU fail/fall

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By *xplicitlyricsMan over a year ago

south dublin

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Pretty much sums Brexit up in one article. The UK was in a particularly good position and is throwing it away and the longer the negotiations last the more obvious it becomes. How long until public opinion solidly turns against Brexit?That is right as most brexiters is narrow minded and just thinks of immigration and as one said above it is economic suicide. I give it 1 year before they realise it.

I wouldn't give it that long

Just look how quick brexiters are drying up on here

No point in talking to people who are so deaf they cant hear.

You keep prattling on about Brexit being great and full of opportunity but not a single Brexit supporter can outline how. Not a single one. Not even you. No matter how many times you lot are asked you cant do it. Once more Ill ask you how, despite the fact you'll only respond in one of three ways:

Silence, because you cant come up with anything credible.

A claim that we're not willing to listen despite the fact Ive been asking for months for someone to explain it.

An empty statement that Brexit will be a success without anything to back it up.

So without a deal the UK is increasing its export costs through tarriffs, inspections and storage during inspections because they have no trade deals or MRAs and they'll take years to negotiate. The UKs imports will probably be subject to the same costs (unless the UK allows everyone free access while still being charged themselves) driving up inflation and cost of living.

1 in 3 UK manufacturing businesses are looking to send all or part of their operations to the EU.

A dozen financial firms are committed to Dublin and even more to Paris and Frankfurt costing jobs and tax revenue.

No deal means that the UK will lose 30% of its *worldwide* trade and best estimates are that new deals with Anglo-American and BRIICS countries will only claw back 5%.

100,000 jobs with Euro clearing are gone.

So explain how it will be a success.....unless you cant.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Pretty much sums Brexit up in one article. The UK was in a particularly good position and is throwing it away and the longer the negotiations last the more obvious it becomes. How long until public opinion solidly turns against Brexit?That is right as most brexiters is narrow minded and just thinks of immigration and as one said above it is economic suicide. I give it 1 year before they realise it.

I wouldn't give it that long

Just look how quick brexiters are drying up on here

No point in talking to people who are so deaf they cant hear.

Can you really still not see what's happening?

Can you name one thing that the UK has secured from the EU so far?

Can you name one company that has come to the UK specifically because of Brexit?

Can you name one country that the UK has started formal trade negotiations with?

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Pretty much sums Brexit up in one article. The UK was in a particularly good position and is throwing it away and the longer the negotiations last the more obvious it becomes. How long until public opinion solidly turns against Brexit?That is right as most brexiters is narrow minded and just thinks of immigration and as one said above it is economic suicide. I give it 1 year before they realise it.

I wouldn't give it that long

Just look how quick brexiters are drying up on here

No point in talking to people who are so deaf they cant hear.

Silence, because you cant come up with anything credible.

A claim that we're not willing to listen despite the fact Ive been asking for months for someone to explain it.

An empty statement that Brexit will be a success without anything to back it up.

1 in 3 UK manufacturing businesses are looking to send all or part of their operations to the EU.

A dozen financial firms are committed to Dublin and even more to Paris and Frankfurt costing jobs and tax revenue.

No deal means that the UK will lose 30% of its *worldwide* trade and best estimates are that new deals with Anglo-American and BRIICS countries will only claw back 5%.

100,000 jobs with Euro clearing are gone.

So explain how it will be a success.....unless you cant."

Strange how you claim 1 in 3 firms are leaving, you do realise that depending on where you look only 5 to 8% of firms export anything, just like much of the rest of your stats they are rubbish. Then we have you claim that the uk wont get any of the export quotas allocated to the EU again that has been shown to be wrong, were you the remoaner that claimed we werent even members of the WTO. You claim inspections etc will hamper exports strange how exports outside the EU are increasing despite such "obstacles" where eu exports are less.

Benefits of leaving.

Current lower pound makes exports more competitive and imports more expensive, that will help uk firms and of course tourism.

We can and will do deals with countries that suit us not some industry in another eu country.

We can support industries we chose to do so for the benefit of the uk and rebalance the economy away from financial services, its starnge during the crash everyone wanted every banker taken out and shot now some see them as the saviours. You cant live forever shuffling bits of paper to move wealth someone has to generate it first.

We can control immigration for our benefit that doesnt mean STOPPING it.

We will save billions in payments that can be spent here and in ways we want.

We wont be part of a united states of europe that will in the end go the way of the ussr.

Thats just a few for starters.

Will there be some downsides yes of course, just the same as getting a divorce you sometimes have to accept a few backward steps to gain a long term benefit, those that want to suceed will those that winge and moan will fail.

One point many remainers fail to acknowledge is that large parts of the population feel let down by the very section of society that wants to stay in the EU and they deserve a chance for a better way of life

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/poll-european-eu-rights-brexit

60% of Brits would pay to retain their EU citizenship and rights.

May and the Brexiters are deluding themselves thinking that people want a hard Brexit. If they did then why are 60% willing to pay an average of £400 to keep the rights they have?

Not to mention that Mays now viewed unfavourably with a majority of Brits today and Corbyns popularity has surged. If the election was held this week then Corbyn would be the favourite to be PM.

Yet too cowardly to admit that we did have some controls over immigration from the EU, and full control from non-EU countries?

Cat got your tongue centaur? "

The main 2 Brexiters on here don't seem to fancy putting a constructive argument forward to support why they think the government will all of a sudden start to want to control immigration when they haven't bothered for all the years they could of done.

They have banged on and on about leaving the EU so we can control immigration when we could have limited it for years but didn't.

I guess they don't fancy admitting they have been fooled by their own Brexit side lies.

No matter what they say now immigration has always been their No 1 reason for Brexit.

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By *amo2121Man over a year ago

swansea

The E.U can suck it out of my ass

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The E.U can suck it out of my ass

Spoken with thought, facts & logic like a true Brexiteer

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Pretty much sums Brexit up in one article. The UK was in a particularly good position and is throwing it away and the longer the negotiations last the more obvious it becomes. How long until public opinion solidly turns against Brexit?That is right as most brexiters is narrow minded and just thinks of immigration and as one said above it is economic suicide. I give it 1 year before they realise it.

I wouldn't give it that long

Just look how quick brexiters are drying up on here

No point in talking to people who are so deaf they cant hear.

Silence, because you cant come up with anything credible.

A claim that we're not willing to listen despite the fact Ive been asking for months for someone to explain it.

An empty statement that Brexit will be a success without anything to back it up.

1 in 3 UK manufacturing businesses are looking to send all or part of their operations to the EU.

A dozen financial firms are committed to Dublin and even more to Paris and Frankfurt costing jobs and tax revenue.

No deal means that the UK will lose 30% of its *worldwide* trade and best estimates are that new deals with Anglo-American and BRIICS countries will only claw back 5%.

100,000 jobs with Euro clearing are gone.

So explain how it will be a success.....unless you cant.

Benefits of leaving.

Current lower pound makes exports more competitive and imports more expensive, that will help uk firms and of course tourism.

We can and will do deals with countries that suit us not some industry in another eu country.

We can control immigration for our benefit that doesnt mean STOPPING it.

We will save billions in payments that can be spent here and in ways we want.

We wont be part of a united states of europe that will in the end go the way of the ussr.

Thats just a few for starters.

Then you can wake up in the real world

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By *xplicitlyricsMan over a year ago

south dublin

Benefits of leaving.

Current lower pound makes exports more competitive and imports more expensive, that will help uk firms and of course tourism.

We can and will do deals with countries that suit us not some industry in another eu country.

We can control immigration for our benefit that doesnt mean STOPPING it.

We will save billions in payments that can be spent here and in ways we want.

We wont be part of a united states of europe that will in the end go the way of the ussr.

Thats just a few for starters.

I said 1 in 3 manufacturing firms not firms in general. And 63% of manufacturing firms say that exports are vital to them.

https://www.themanufacturer.com/uk-manufacturing-statistics/

I dont remember ever being shown that I was wrong in quotas, Ive always said that the UK needs to agree with the EU how that will be handled. This article should spell it out. And in the event of no deal the EU will be going for the market share the UK loses.

http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKBN1781KU

And I never said the UK wasnt a member of the WTO, just that WTO terms arent close to good enough for the UK economy to avoid a major recession.

The worldwide trade is increasing because the UK benefits from the EUs negotiated MRAs which avoid inspections. Add in delays of days or weeks to shipments plus the accompanying storage costs and youve got a very uncompetitive price.

If the lower pound was a clear benefit then the UK and every other currency would be in a race to the bottom. The lower pound is a net negative at the moment because the UK survives on imports and thats why youre seeing inflation up and consumer spending down. You surely understand that consumer spending being down is a disaster if it continues to fall.

The new trade deals wont take effect for years. Chinas government estimates 10 years before its negotiated much less implemented. And the numbers say that at best you'll lose 22% of your world trade and new deals could only get 5% back. Major loss.

The UK has built its modern economy on the financial sector. When they leave jobs go, social payments increase, tax take goes down. How are you going to support anything with ao much less? And if its that easy to suddenly create businesses that generate 100s of billions of revenue then why havent they done it already?

Billions saved? Lets see exactly how much: £12.9 billion after the rebate, £5.8 billion goes back to British infrastructure, farming and business and other British interests, £1 billion is part of funds commited by the UK in foreign aid that they would have paid anyway. So all in all it costs £6.1 billion, pocket change compared to what you'll lose in tariffs.

The people of the UK do deserve better opportunities and chances to improve their lives than they are getting. But Brexit will only make it harder. The economy is already suffering. Mays deluded government is starting to realise how screwed they are without the EU and that pipe dreams of more success outside the EU arent based in reality.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/poll-european-eu-rights-brexit

60% of Brits would pay to retain their EU citizenship and rights.

May and the Brexiters are deluding themselves thinking that people want a hard Brexit. If they did then why are 60% willing to pay an average of £400 to keep the rights they have?

Not to mention that Mays now viewed unfavourably with a majority of Brits today and Corbyns popularity has surged. If the election was held this week then Corbyn would be the favourite to be PM.

Yet too cowardly to admit that we did have some controls over immigration from the EU, and full control from non-EU countries?

Cat got your tongue centaur?

They have banged on and on about leaving the EU so we can control immigration when we could have limited it for years but didn't.

I guess they don't fancy admitting they have been fooled by their own Brexit side lies.

No matter what they say now immigration has always been their No 1 reason for Brexit."

Exactly, their argument that it's not about the numbers of immigrants, but just having control is absolutely nonsense.

It's funny how pro brexiter Daniel Hannan publicly said that immigration won't fall, and that people who think it will are going to be very disappointed, however he only said that the day AFTER the polls closed.

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By *amo2121Man over a year ago

swansea

"The E.U can suck it out of my ass

Spoken with thought, facts & logic like a true Brexiteer

Spot on!!

what a crock of shit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/poll-european-eu-rights-brexit

60% of Brits would pay to retain their EU citizenship and rights.

May and the Brexiters are deluding themselves thinking that people want a hard Brexit. If they did then why are 60% willing to pay an average of £400 to keep the rights they have?

Not to mention that Mays now viewed unfavourably with a majority of Brits today and Corbyns popularity has surged. If the election was held this week then Corbyn would be the favourite to be PM.

Yet too cowardly to admit that we did have some controls over immigration from the EU, and full control from non-EU countries?

Cat got your tongue centaur?

They have banged on and on about leaving the EU so we can control immigration when we could have limited it for years but didn't.

I guess they don't fancy admitting they have been fooled by their own Brexit side lies.

No matter what they say now immigration has always been their No 1 reason for Brexit."
.

I'll give you one.

The UK government will no longer have the EU excuse to blame, they will have to own their own mistakes for once, just like new labour never owned up to limiting EU immigration when they had the chance like nearly everybody else in the EU took up.

This is criticism does not mean I was in favour of the EU.

I was actually a federal EU man or out..I don't like half way measures

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Pretty much sums Brexit up in one article. The UK was in a particularly good position and is throwing it away and the longer the negotiations last the more obvious it becomes. How long until public opinion solidly turns against Brexit?That is right as most brexiters is narrow minded and just thinks of immigration and as one said above it is economic suicide. I give it 1 year before they realise it.

I wouldn't give it that long

Just look how quick brexiters are drying up on here

No point in talking to people who are so deaf they cant hear.

Silence, because you cant come up with anything credible.

A claim that we're not willing to listen despite the fact Ive been asking for months for someone to explain it.

An empty statement that Brexit will be a success without anything to back it up.

1 in 3 UK manufacturing businesses are looking to send all or part of their operations to the EU.

A dozen financial firms are committed to Dublin and even more to Paris and Frankfurt costing jobs and tax revenue.

No deal means that the UK will lose 30% of its *worldwide* trade and best estimates are that new deals with Anglo-American and BRIICS countries will only claw back 5%.

100,000 jobs with Euro clearing are gone.

So explain how it will be a success.....unless you cant.

Benefits of leaving.

Current lower pound makes exports more competitive and imports more expensive, that will help uk firms and of course tourism.

We can and will do deals with countries that suit us not some industry in another eu country.

We can control immigration for our benefit that doesnt mean STOPPING it.

We will save billions in payments that can be spent here and in ways we want.

We wont be part of a united states of europe that will in the end go the way of the ussr.

Thats just a few for starters.

WOW. We've got a real montage of BREXIT lies and misleading information here.

Firstly the statement that the amount of trade we're doing with the EU is decreasing while the trade we do with countries outside the EU is increasing. This is both a lie and also misleading. It's a lie because the amount of trade we do with the EU is not decreasing. Upto 2015, intra EU trade has increased year on year by an average of 10%. The lie that our trade with the EU is decreasing is untrue, it's growing. However our trade with countries outside the EU is growing faster. And there in lies the misleading statement to because, although our trade with countries outside the EU is increasing faster than those within, the countries outside the EU that that trade is increasing quickest with are the ones thar have trade agreements with us through the EU. When we leave we'll no longer have those favourable trade deals either. Over 60% of our trade is with the EU or countries the EU has preferential trade deals with.

The lower level of the pound has lead to a mini boom but like all devaluations the boom is short lived and, with the increase in costs of raw materials, ends up just being a boost to inflation; as we're starting to see now.

We won't be doing any free trace deals with anyone, whether they suit us or some industry in another country unless we're willing to accept independent, legally binding courts of arbitration that have supremacy over British law and courts. That means something like the ECJ.

We won't be able to support industries we chose for the benefit of the uk. Subsidising any industry, under WTO rules, leaves that industry and possibility the whole country open to dumping and unfair subsidy tariffs that could be more than 100%. Under WTO rules we would not be able to retaliate with similar tariffs of our own.

And you're still persisting with the biggest BREXIT lie of all that we can't do more to control immigration than we currently do without leaving the. Belgium, Switzerland, Lichtenstein and other EU/EFTA countries all have stricter controls than the UK.

The loss of trade we will suffer when we leave the EU and the trading agreements with the rest of the world we have through the EU will more than wipe any savings. But feel free to get a red bus and right £350 million a week on it just to remind everyone how unaccountable BREXITers are for their lies.

We're not part of a United States of Europe and we're never destined to be. However if you get the economically suicidal BREXIT you seem to want we could end up looking like Albania was or North More is.

You don't have to convince us that there's going to 'some downside'. We already know that. What we don't know, can't see and no BREXITer will tell us is clearly is 'What's the upside?'

What many BREXITers don't seem to realise is that many of us are not willing to sit back and let you wreck the economy of this country and with it the lives and hopes of millions of people on a dangerous economic experiment, based on lies, deception and mis information, which, even if it works, will leave us no betters of than we are now.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

It just looks to me that the remoaners are more and more bitter and twisted about us leaving perhaps its because they will be among those who have had snouts in the trough at the expense of others, particularily strange a non brit is so twisted as if you claim its all good for you you should be celebrating.

To those that say I have ever said immigration had anything to do with my vote find one post where I said i voted leave DUE to immigration and to stop it then I will pay a thousand pounds to charity, I voted because I dont want to be part of a US of E,its where we are heading,more intergration is what juncker called for after the vote, they are hell bent on their pet project regardless of the cost to the poor

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"It just looks to me that the remoaners are more and more bitter and twisted about us leaving perhaps its because they will be among those who have had snouts in the trough at the expense of others, particularily strange a non brit is so twisted as if you claim its all good for you you should be celebrating.

Typical response from a BREXITer when they know their lies, deceptions and misleading statements have been exposed. We don't care if you call us 'bitter remoaners' we're still going to be here and point out your BREXIT lies and the economically suicidal nature of the whole BREXIT idea.

I notice that you haven't tried to tell us how making it harder to trade with 60%+ of are trading partners both in and outside the EU is actually going to make the poor richer.

We also don't care whether you said you voted to leave because of immigration or because you didn't want to be part of a United States of Europe. Both reasons are based on BREXIT lies, deceptions and misleading information. We can control immigration more than we do currently while still in the EU and we are not, and never were going to be, part of a United States of Europe.

Why don't you try answering some of the points raised by the comments made against your original post rather than throwing childish insults around like 'bitter remoaner' or daft talk about snouts and troughs? Why don't you tell us how any of this BREXIT mess is going to make anything better?

Please tell us the upside.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan over a year ago

south dublin

" particularily strange a non brit is so twisted as if you claim its all good for you you should be celebrating.

Well Im not a tory, I wouldnt find much celebration in making €100 if it happened because my neighbour went broke.

You at least made an attempt to list some positives so Ill give you credit for that. Its just a shame that when they were disproved you went straight back to empty rhetoric.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

Maybe we saw the EU at its worst this morning.

Less than 100 MEPs out of 751 in the chamber in Strasbourg.

Apparently Juncker was less than impressed and used some unparliamentary language!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Maybe we saw the EU at its worst this morning.

Less than 100 MEPs out of 751 in the chamber in Strasbourg.

Apparently Juncker was less than impressed and used some unparliamentary language!"
That is because most went on their holidays abit earlier than they should off.

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By *utandbigMan over a year ago

Bournemouth

Most on holiday

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Maybe we saw the EU at its worst this morning.

Less than 100 MEPs out of 751 in the chamber in Strasbourg.

Apparently Juncker was less than impressed and used some unparliamentary language!That is because most went on their holidays abit earlier than they should off."

And don't forget the Commons is always packed here in the UK, isn't it?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Maybe we saw the EU at its worst this morning.

Less than 100 MEPs out of 751 in the chamber in Strasbourg.

Apparently Juncker was less than impressed and used some unparliamentary language!That is because most went on their holidays abit earlier than they should off.

And don't forget the Commons is always packed here in the UK, isn't it?

"
Yes they are cos they dont get time off.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"Maybe we saw the EU at its worst this morning.

Less than 100 MEPs out of 751 in the chamber in Strasbourg.

Apparently Juncker was less than impressed and used some unparliamentary language!That is because most went on their holidays abit earlier than they should off.

And don't forget the Commons is always packed here in the UK, isn't it?

Exactly, depending on what is happening at the time, you will find that there are times you can find almost empty parliaments across the world

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

" particularily strange a non brit is so twisted as if you claim its all good for you you should be celebrating.

Well Im not a tory, I wouldnt find much celebration in making €100 if it happened because my neighbour went broke.

You at least made an attempt to list some positives so Ill give you credit for that. Its just a shame that when they were disproved you went straight back to empty rhetoric."

You havent disproved anything except in your own little world of make believe.

We are never going to agree on us leaving the EU but apart from the lib dems and I believe the greens the political parties are united in the fact that we are leaving, there are differences in opinion within each party on how it will be acheived but leave we will and I believe that we will look back and say thank goodness.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan over a year ago

south dublin

" particularily strange a non brit is so twisted as if you claim its all good for you you should be celebrating.

Well Im not a tory, I wouldnt find much celebration in making €100 if it happened because my neighbour went broke.

You at least made an attempt to list some positives so Ill give you credit for that. Its just a shame that when they were disproved you went straight back to empty rhetoric.

You havent disproved anything except in your own little world of make believe.

Yes but I can give good solid reasoning for my point of view and back it up. You cant. You feel the EU is a bad thing and let your feelings trump the evidence in your mind. Even the Tories are waking up to the fact that Brexit has left the UK in a bad position.

Even the main people behind the Leave campaign are saying leaving the EU could be a massive mistake

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-vote-leave-director-dominic-cummings-leave-eu-error-nhs-350-million-lie-bus-a7822386.html

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

" particularily strange a non brit is so twisted as if you claim its all good for you you should be celebrating.

Well Im not a tory, I wouldnt find much celebration in making €100 if it happened because my neighbour went broke.

You at least made an attempt to list some positives so Ill give you credit for that. Its just a shame that when they were disproved you went straight back to empty rhetoric.

You havent disproved anything except in your own little world of make believe.

Even the main people behind the Leave campaign are saying leaving the EU could be a massive mistake

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-vote-leave-director-dominic-cummings-leave-eu-error-nhs-350-million-lie-bus-a7822386.html"

No you see it from your point of view and believe that , I see it from my point and believe that, the difference is I can accept you have that view you along with most remainers think thats the only way have have been shown time and time again to be blind to anything that proves you wrong, you just repeat the same glib lines, we are going round in circles no point in more discussion till its done and dusted

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

" particularily strange a non brit is so twisted as if you claim its all good for you you should be celebrating.

Well Im not a tory, I wouldnt find much celebration in making €100 if it happened because my neighbour went broke.

You at least made an attempt to list some positives so Ill give you credit for that. Its just a shame that when they were disproved you went straight back to empty rhetoric.

You havent disproved anything except in your own little world of make believe.

Even the main people behind the Leave campaign are saying leaving the EU could be a massive mistake

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-vote-leave-director-dominic-cummings-leave-eu-error-nhs-350-million-lie-bus-a7822386.html

Did you actually read the post you replied to? Did you miss the bit where he pointed out that even the lead of the leave campaign has said it was lies?

Dominic Cummings had even just said on twitter in the last few days that the government is completely fucking up the process and we are going to be in a worse state.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" particularily strange a non brit is so twisted as if you claim its all good for you you should be celebrating.

Well Im not a tory, I wouldnt find much celebration in making €100 if it happened because my neighbour went broke.

You at least made an attempt to list some positives so Ill give you credit for that. Its just a shame that when they were disproved you went straight back to empty rhetoric.

You havent disproved anything except in your own little world of make believe.

Even the main people behind the Leave campaign are saying leaving the EU could be a massive mistake

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-vote-leave-director-dominic-cummings-leave-eu-error-nhs-350-million-lie-bus-a7822386.html"
Brexit was always about emotions.It started with fear and ended with anger.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

" particularily strange a non brit is so twisted as if you claim its all good for you you should be celebrating.

Well Im not a tory, I wouldnt find much celebration in making €100 if it happened because my neighbour went broke.

You at least made an attempt to list some positives so Ill give you credit for that. Its just a shame that when they were disproved you went straight back to empty rhetoric.

You havent disproved anything except in your own little world of make believe.

Even the main people behind the Leave campaign are saying leaving the EU could be a massive mistake

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-vote-leave-director-dominic-cummings-leave-eu-error-nhs-350-million-lie-bus-a7822386.html

No point in discussing it, does that mean that you're too embarrassed to defend it anymore and will be yet another Brexiter running from the forums in shame?!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" particularily strange a non brit is so twisted as if you claim its all good for you you should be celebrating.

Well Im not a tory, I wouldnt find much celebration in making €100 if it happened because my neighbour went broke.

You at least made an attempt to list some positives so Ill give you credit for that. Its just a shame that when they were disproved you went straight back to empty rhetoric.

You havent disproved anything except in your own little world of make believe.

Even the main people behind the Leave campaign are saying leaving the EU could be a massive mistake

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-vote-leave-director-dominic-cummings-leave-eu-error-nhs-350-million-lie-bus-a7822386.html Brexit was always about emotions.It started with fear and ended with anger. "

You missed out happiness

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" particularily strange a non brit is so twisted as if you claim its all good for you you should be celebrating.

Well Im not a tory, I wouldnt find much celebration in making €100 if it happened because my neighbour went broke.

You at least made an attempt to list some positives so Ill give you credit for that. Its just a shame that when they were disproved you went straight back to empty rhetoric.

You havent disproved anything except in your own little world of make believe.

Even the main people behind the Leave campaign are saying leaving the EU could be a massive mistake

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-vote-leave-director-dominic-cummings-leave-eu-error-nhs-350-million-lie-bus-a7822386.html Brexit was always about emotions.It started with fear and ended with anger.

You missed out happiness

"
True.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan over a year ago

south dublin

My point of view is based on evidence and fact. Thats what youre missing. I dont have feelings one way or the other about the EU. If it ever looks like being a net negative in the long term Ill advocate its end. The EU is a means to an end, its just an economical, social and political tool to be used to advance our countries.

You however have very strong feelings on the EU. Those feelings cloud your judgement.

Fact is that the UK is going to be economically worse off because of Brexit. You cant accept that despite the mountain of evidence. All Brexiters can point to are phantom deals with other countries, only 1 of which has a start date, even though everyone who's looked at it says there is absolutely no way those countries can ever generate enough trade to make up for the EU.

Does it not make you wonder why its easy for people to source facts for why Brexit is going to be bad and so difficult for Brexiters to find anything to back them up?

Do you not wonder why people predicted that the UK was in such a dire position that they'd have to cave to the EU in negotiations and now we've seen that come to pass even in these very early stages?? If the UK didnt need the EU so badly they never woukd have waved the white flag so quickly. But thats the reality even though you want to ignore it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You however have very strong feelings on the EU. Those feelings cloud your judgement.

Does it not make you wonder why its easy for people to source facts for why Brexit is going to be bad and so difficult for Brexiters to find anything to back them up?

Yes but the white flag had the cross of St George on it...thats all that matters

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By *losbMan over a year ago

gloucester

It's what the public voted for so let's get out and get on with it. Start trades with the counties the EU didn't let us trade with and dog on with it!

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By *xplicitlyricsMan over a year ago

south dublin

"It's what the public voted for so let's get out and get on with it. Start trades with the counties the EU didn't let us trade with and dog on with it!"

The EU didnt stop the UK trading with anyone. It agreed deals to make it easier. Thats the entire point of the cystoms union and single market.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"It's what the public voted for so let's get out and get on with it. Start trades with the counties the EU didn't let us trade with and dog on with it!"

Which countries did the EU not let us trade with?

Can't wait for this answer....

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

"It's what the public voted for so let's get out and get on with it. Start trades with the counties the EU didn't let us trade with and dog on with it!

Which countries did the EU not let us trade with?

Can't wait for this answer.... "

Elbonia.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's what the public voted for so let's get out and get on with it. Start trades with the counties the EU didn't let us trade with and dog on with it!

Which countries did the EU not let us trade with?

Can't wait for this answer.... "

Every picture tells a story

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"It's what the public voted for so let's get out and get on with it. Start trades with the counties the EU didn't let us trade with and dog on with it!

Which countries did the EU not let us trade with?

Can't wait for this answer.... "

Don't hold your breath!

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

" particularily strange a non brit is so twisted as if you claim its all good for you you should be celebrating.

Well Im not a tory, I wouldnt find much celebration in making €100 if it happened because my neighbour went broke.

You at least made an attempt to list some positives so Ill give you credit for that. Its just a shame that when they were disproved you went straight back to empty rhetoric.

You havent disproved anything except in your own little world of make believe.

As you still haven't told us what the actual up-side of leaving the EU will actually be I find your statement that we will look back and day thank goodness quite hard to believe.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

" particularily strange a non brit is so twisted as if you claim its all good for you you should be celebrating.

Well Im not a tory, I wouldnt find much celebration in making €100 if it happened because my neighbour went broke.

You at least made an attempt to list some positives so Ill give you credit for that. Its just a shame that when they were disproved you went straight back to empty rhetoric.

You havent disproved anything except in your own little world of make believe.

Even the main people behind the Leave campaign are saying leaving the EU could be a massive mistake

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-vote-leave-director-dominic-cummings-leave-eu-error-nhs-350-million-lie-bus-a7822386.html

No point in discussing it, does that mean that you're too embarrassed to defend it anymore and will be yet another Brexiter running from the forums in shame?!

You find pleasure in hounding people off the forums?

This post of yours speaks volumes about your attitude and the way you interact with other people.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

" particularily strange a non brit is so twisted as if you claim its all good for you you should be celebrating.

Well Im not a tory, I wouldnt find much celebration in making €100 if it happened because my neighbour went broke.

You at least made an attempt to list some positives so Ill give you credit for that. Its just a shame that when they were disproved you went straight back to empty rhetoric.

You havent disproved anything except in your own little world of make believe.

As you still haven't told us what the actual up-side of leaving the EU will actually be I find your statement that we will look back and day thank goodness quite hard to believe."

Many Brexiters have pointed out the upsides of Brexit in many threads time and time and time again, but you are so close minded you refuse to listen and so stubborn and set in your ways you can't allow yourself to see or hear any of the positives. At the end of the day You are just a bitter and twisted remoaner, same as many of the other Remoaner posters on here, sore losers who can't accept that you lost. You and your cohorts can post as many links to biased Pro EU, Pro remain newspapers like the Guardian and the FT as you like, just as many links can be posted in the opposite direction from anti EU, Pro Brexit newspapers like the Daily Mail and The Express, people will believe what side they want and follow the direction they have chosen in regard to this matter. As it is a majority of the country voted for the Brexit path (not once but twice now in the referendum and the general election) and this is the path the government is now taking us. I've no doubt you'll continue to post your vacuous nonsense on here though just like all the other deluded Remoaners. Please by all means continue but when Brexit is finally complete I'll be posting a thread on here in celebration that we are out and I'm very much looking forward to the deadline date of March 2019.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"It's what the public voted for so let's get out and get on with it. Start trades with the counties the EU didn't let us trade with and dog on with it!

Which countries did the EU not let us trade with?

Can't wait for this answer.... "

I think he could've worded it better. Personally I would've said we can start signing new trade deals with the countries the EU prevented us signing new trade deals with.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"It's what the public voted for so let's get out and get on with it. Start trades with the counties the EU didn't let us trade with and dog on with it!

The EU didnt stop the UK trading with anyone. It agreed deals to make it easier. Thats the entire point of the cystoms union and single market.

The EU stopped us signing our own trade deals outside of the EU. This is just an indisputable fact.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

" particularily strange a non brit is so twisted as if you claim its all good for you you should be celebrating.

Well Im not a tory, I wouldnt find much celebration in making €100 if it happened because my neighbour went broke.

You at least made an attempt to list some positives so Ill give you credit for that. Its just a shame that when they were disproved you went straight back to empty rhetoric.

You havent disproved anything except in your own little world of make believe.

Even the main people behind the Leave campaign are saying leaving the EU could be a massive mistake

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-vote-leave-director-dominic-cummings-leave-eu-error-nhs-350-million-lie-bus-a7822386.html Brexit was always about emotions.It started with fear and ended with anger.

You missed out happiness

Certainly, the day after the EU referendum I felt nothing but joy and happiness. That happiness has stayed with me and it was boosted with the article 50 vote it will be boosted again in March 2019 when Brexit is complete and we are out for good.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Maybe we saw the EU at its worst this morning.

Less than 100 MEPs out of 751 in the chamber in Strasbourg.

Apparently Juncker was less than impressed and used some unparliamentary language!"

What a shambles, the EU is an embarrassment. Juncker said he would never attend a meeting of this kind in the EU parliament ever again. Maybe the penny is finally dropping with Juncker now the EU is all just a bit shit really isn't it.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan over a year ago

south dublin

" particularily strange a non brit is so twisted as if you claim its all good for you you should be celebrating.

Well Im not a tory, I wouldnt find much celebration in making €100 if it happened because my neighbour went broke.

You at least made an attempt to list some positives so Ill give you credit for that. Its just a shame that when they were disproved you went straight back to empty rhetoric.

You havent disproved anything except in your own little world of make believe.

As you still haven't told us what the actual up-side of leaving the EU will actually be I find your statement that we will look back and day thank goodness quite hard to believe.

You mean the list of upsides you posted earlier that I discredited by pointing out all the flaws that left no benefits? I notice that even though I easily replied to all your points you werent able to do the same

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Maybe we saw the EU at its worst this morning.

Less than 100 MEPs out of 751 in the chamber in Strasbourg.

Apparently Juncker was less than impressed and used some unparliamentary language!That is because most went on their holidays abit earlier than they should off."

Then again maybe they all fucked off because they don't want to deal with an ever increasing migration crisis building up on the southern borders of the EU in the Mediterranean Sea.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

" particularily strange a non brit is so twisted as if you claim its all good for you you should be celebrating.

Well Im not a tory, I wouldnt find much celebration in making €100 if it happened because my neighbour went broke.

You at least made an attempt to list some positives so Ill give you credit for that. Its just a shame that when they were disproved you went straight back to empty rhetoric.

You havent disproved anything except in your own little world of make believe.

As you still haven't told us what the actual up-side of leaving the EU will actually be I find your statement that we will look back and day thank goodness quite hard to believe.

You didn't discredit anything. All you did was post a load of biased links from the likes of the Guardian and the FT.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Pretty much sums Brexit up in one article. The UK was in a particularly good position and is throwing it away and the longer the negotiations last the more obvious it becomes. How long until public opinion solidly turns against Brexit?That is right as most brexiters is narrow minded and just thinks of immigration and as one said above it is economic suicide. I give it 1 year before they realise it.

I wouldn't give it that long

Just look how quick brexiters are drying up on here

No point in talking to people who are so deaf they cant hear.

Can you really still not see what's happening?

Can you name one thing that the UK has secured from the EU so far?

Can you name one company that has come to the UK specifically because of Brexit?

Can you name one country that the UK has started formal trade negotiations with? "

We are one month into a 2 (TWO) year negotiation process.

Maybe actually listen to what is being said in the negotiations instead of letting it go in one ear and out the other, David Davis said "Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed".

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By *xplicitlyricsMan over a year ago

south dublin

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Pretty much sums Brexit up in one article. The UK was in a particularly good position and is throwing it away and the longer the negotiations last the more obvious it becomes. How long until public opinion solidly turns against Brexit?That is right as most brexiters is narrow minded and just thinks of immigration and as one said above it is economic suicide. I give it 1 year before they realise it.

I wouldn't give it that long

Just look how quick brexiters are drying up on here

No point in talking to people who are so deaf they cant hear.

Can you really still not see what's happening?

Can you name one thing that the UK has secured from the EU so far?

Can you name one company that has come to the UK specifically because of Brexit?

Can you name one country that the UK has started formal trade negotiations with?

We are one month into a 2 (TWO) year negotiation process.

Maybe actually listen to what is being said in the negotiations instead of letting it go in one ear and out the other, David Davis said "Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed". "

Thr negotiations need to be concluded by October 2018 in order to be ratified by both the EU and UK and then implemented in time for March 2019.

You have 15 months remaining. Good luck.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

" particularily strange a non brit is so twisted as if you claim its all good for you you should be celebrating.

Well Im not a tory, I wouldnt find much celebration in making €100 if it happened because my neighbour went broke.

You at least made an attempt to list some positives so Ill give you credit for that. Its just a shame that when they were disproved you went straight back to empty rhetoric.

You havent disproved anything except in your own little world of make believe.

As you still haven't told us what the actual up-side of leaving the EU will actually be I find your statement that we will look back and day thank goodness quite hard to believe.

I have to say I'm a little disappointed that you to have decided to go down the root of personal attacks but I guess when you run out of convincing arguments that's all you're left with.

There is nothing closed minded about asking you to explain how BREXIT is actually going to work or, when you come up with a crazy idea, pointing out why that's probably not going to work. For example BREXITers, including yourself, keep talking about all these trade deals with other countries we're going to have but then say that they are not willing to accept any international, legally binding courts of abortion having any jurisdiction or supremacy in the UK. Then it's pointed out to them that no country anywhere in the world is going to make a comprehensive free trade deal with us unless it has independent, legally binding courts. At which point suddenly it becomes OK for a court of arbitration to have jurisdiction and supremacy in the UK so long as it's not got the words European and Justice in it. I'm sorry but it's not that I'm closed minded, It's simply that what BREXITers say when pushed is just totally unconvincing. It's almost like they're making it up as they go along, with no clear plan or idea of what what they're asking for actually really means or what it actually involves.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"It's what the public voted for so let's get out and get on with it. Start trades with the counties the EU didn't let us trade with and dog on with it!

Which countries did the EU not let us trade with?

Can't wait for this answer....

I think he could've worded it better. Personally I would've said we can start signing new trade deals with the countries the EU prevented us signing new trade deals with. "

He most certainly could of, and should of, worded it better. But now you've cleared up what he actually meant maybe you can tell us some of the countries which we don't currently have a free trade deal with through the EU that we're going to have one with, ready to go, when we leave the EU? Or maybe you could tell us all which countries we currently have a free trade deal with through the EU, that we'll lose when we leave, we're going to have a new one with, ready to go, when we leave?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

" particularily strange a non brit is so twisted as if you claim its all good for you you should be celebrating.

Well Im not a tory, I wouldnt find much celebration in making €100 if it happened because my neighbour went broke.

You at least made an attempt to list some positives so Ill give you credit for that. Its just a shame that when they were disproved you went straight back to empty rhetoric.

You havent disproved anything except in your own little world of make believe.

As you still haven't told us what the actual up-side of leaving the EU will actually be I find your statement that we will look back and day thank goodness quite hard to believe.

You didn't discredit anything. All you did was post a load of biased links from the likes of the Guardian and the FT.

To which we're all waiting to see your response to in the somewhat increasingly vain hope that it will say something more than 'your all just bitter remoaners' and actually address some of the points raised.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Don't hold your breath mate

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anyway, have we left yet

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By *utandbigMan over a year ago

Bournemouth

No and we won't

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By *losbMan over a year ago

gloucester

"It's what the public voted for so let's get out and get on with it. Start trades with the counties the EU didn't let us trade with and dog on with it!

Which countries did the EU not let us trade with?

Can't wait for this answer....

I think he could've worded it better. Personally I would've said we can start signing new trade deals with the countries the EU prevented us signing new trade deals with. "

Yes this, you said it for me. I was wrong in what I said and how I worded it!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"No and we won't

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No and we won't

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"No and we won't

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Yes. I forgot doing the thumb icon first there lol

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Pretty much sums Brexit up in one article. The UK was in a particularly good position and is throwing it away and the longer the negotiations last the more obvious it becomes. How long until public opinion solidly turns against Brexit?That is right as most brexiters is narrow minded and just thinks of immigration and as one said above it is economic suicide. I give it 1 year before they realise it.

I wouldn't give it that long

Just look how quick brexiters are drying up on here

No point in talking to people who are so deaf they cant hear.

Can you really still not see what's happening?

Can you name one thing that the UK has secured from the EU so far?

Can you name one company that has come to the UK specifically because of Brexit?

Can you name one country that the UK has started formal trade negotiations with?

We are one month into a 2 (TWO) year negotiation process.

Maybe actually listen to what is being said in the negotiations instead of letting it go in one ear and out the other, David Davis said "Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed".

Thr negotiations need to be concluded by October 2018 in order to be ratified by both the EU and UK and then implemented in time for March 2019.

You have 15 months remaining. Good luck."

15 months left and Centaur cant name one trade deal with another country that the UK has even started. Can't name one concession from the EU, and more than a year after the vote can't name one company that has come to the UK specifically because of Brexit. Pitiful.

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By *isdirtygirlCouple over a year ago

somewhere out there

"I'm sat in a bar in Spain with a gang of bin men and bar workers who would tell you to take the EU toma por culo"

The working class people I drink with here in Spain all think Britain is foolish to be leaving the European Union. Obviously there is similar feeling across Europe - some do and some don't.

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

"I'm sat in a bar in Spain with a gang of bin men and bar workers who would tell you to take the EU toma por culo

The working class people I drink with here in Spain all think Britain is foolish to be leaving the European Union. Obviously there is similar feeling across Europe - some do and some don't. "

I was staying in a hotel recently and there happened to be a whole bunch of vintage Rolls Royces and Bentleys outside with German number plates on. Whilst in the bar, I overhead some people speaking German so had a chat with them. They are part of a German Bentley enthusiasts group that come over every year on tour. Of course the conversation quickly ended up on Brexit. They were asking how we could be so insane to leave the EU.

Same story with everyone else I've met abroad. They all can't understand why we are doing it.

-Matt

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"Of course the conversation quickly ended up on Brexit. They were asking how we could be so insane to leave the EU.

Same story with everyone else I've met abroad. They all can't understand why we are doing it.

-Matt"

We are leaving because we are stupid and have been brainwashed by anti EU media moguls and their political puppets over the last 30 years who see the EU as an obstacle to their ambitions to grab more power.

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"I'm sat in a bar in Spain with a gang of bin men and bar workers who would tell you to take the EU toma por culo

The working class people I drink with here in Spain all think Britain is foolish to be leaving the European Union. Obviously there is similar feeling across Europe - some do and some don't.

Same story with everyone else I've met abroad. They all can't understand why we are doing it.

-Matt"

We've met Swedes, Italians, Spanish , pretty much 50/50. Greeks we've met hate, loathe and detest the EU 100%.

The French, Germans and Dutch that we've met? One of their first concerns they all voice is who is going to pay the UK's share?

Generally eastern EU citizens we've met are for the EU (Poles, Hungarians, Romanians).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm sat in a bar in Spain with a gang of bin men and bar workers who would tell you to take the EU toma por culo

The working class people I drink with here in Spain all think Britain is foolish to be leaving the European Union. Obviously there is similar feeling across Europe - some do and some don't.

Same story with everyone else I've met abroad. They all can't understand why we are doing it.

-Matt"
...its steaming.. Comes out cow's... And it's not the Isle of Wight ferry.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

One way or another the die is cast...

I must admit it is interesting how Nige has already said that when it goes tits up he is off to live with his mate donny in the usa...

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Pretty much sums Brexit up in one article. The UK was in a particularly good position and is throwing it away and the longer the negotiations last the more obvious it becomes. How long until public opinion solidly turns against Brexit?That is right as most brexiters is narrow minded and just thinks of immigration and as one said above it is economic suicide. I give it 1 year before they realise it.

I wouldn't give it that long

Just look how quick brexiters are drying up on here

No point in talking to people who are so deaf they cant hear.

Can you really still not see what's happening?

Can you name one thing that the UK has secured from the EU so far?

Can you name one company that has come to the UK specifically because of Brexit?

Can you name one country that the UK has started formal trade negotiations with?

We are one month into a 2 (TWO) year negotiation process.

Maybe actually listen to what is being said in the negotiations instead of letting it go in one ear and out the other, David Davis said "Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed".

Thr negotiations need to be concluded by October 2018 in order to be ratified by both the EU and UK and then implemented in time for March 2019.

You have 15 months remaining. Good luck.

International trade secretary Liam Fox announced on BBC Question Time last week that trade talks with the USA are due to start in a couple of weeks. He's already been jetting off all over the world for the last 12 months putting in the ground work with plenty of other countries many of which have been covered in the news (although probably not been covered in biased pro EU, anti Brexit publications like The Guardian and the FT, and if you read those papers it's no wonder you don't know what Liam Fox has been doing for the last year).

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"I'm sat in a bar in Spain with a gang of bin men and bar workers who would tell you to take the EU toma por culo

The working class people I drink with here in Spain all think Britain is foolish to be leaving the European Union. Obviously there is similar feeling across Europe - some do and some don't.

Same story with everyone else I've met abroad. They all can't understand why we are doing it.

-Matt

We've met Swedes, Italians, Spanish , pretty much 50/50. Greeks we've met hate, loathe and detest the EU 100%.

The French, Germans and Dutch that we've met? One of their first concerns they all voice is who is going to pay the UK's share?

Generally eastern EU citizens we've met are for the EU (Poles, Hungarians, Romanians)."

I would agree it depends who you talk to. Some Europeans are very anti EU, some are very pro EU, same as in this forum there is a mix on both sides.

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By *isdirtygirlCouple over a year ago

somewhere out there

It still makes no sense to me to limit your access to a market thirty odd miles away and think that selling to markets many thousands of miles away is a wise business move. Markets like China and the US that already produce internally much of what we export - except maybe Black Pudding.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Pretty much sums Brexit up in one article. The UK was in a particularly good position and is throwing it away and the longer the negotiations last the more obvious it becomes. How long until public opinion solidly turns against Brexit?That is right as most brexiters is narrow minded and just thinks of immigration and as one said above it is economic suicide. I give it 1 year before they realise it.

I wouldn't give it that long

Just look how quick brexiters are drying up on here

No point in talking to people who are so deaf they cant hear.

Can you really still not see what's happening?

Can you name one thing that the UK has secured from the EU so far?

Can you name one company that has come to the UK specifically because of Brexit?

Can you name one country that the UK has started formal trade negotiations with?

We are one month into a 2 (TWO) year negotiation process.

Maybe actually listen to what is being said in the negotiations instead of letting it go in one ear and out the other, David Davis said "Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed".

Thr negotiations need to be concluded by October 2018 in order to be ratified by both the EU and UK and then implemented in time for March 2019.

You have 15 months remaining. Good luck.

So still after more than a year, not one single trade talk has begun. Thanks for confirming what I said

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"I'm sat in a bar in Spain with a gang of bin men and bar workers who would tell you to take the EU toma por culo

The working class people I drink with here in Spain all think Britain is foolish to be leaving the European Union. Obviously there is similar feeling across Europe - some do and some don't.

Same story with everyone else I've met abroad. They all can't understand why we are doing it.

-Matt

We've met Swedes, Italians, Spanish , pretty much 50/50. Greeks we've met hate, loathe and detest the EU 100%.

The French, Germans and Dutch that we've met? One of their first concerns they all voice is who is going to pay the UK's share?

Generally eastern EU citizens we've met are for the EU (Poles, Hungarians, Romanians).

I would agree it depends who you talk to. Some Europeans are very anti EU, some are very pro EU, same as in this forum there is a mix on both sides. "

Yet only one country has had a referendum.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Pretty much sums Brexit up in one article. The UK was in a particularly good position and is throwing it away and the longer the negotiations last the more obvious it becomes. How long until public opinion solidly turns against Brexit?That is right as most brexiters is narrow minded and just thinks of immigration and as one said above it is economic suicide. I give it 1 year before they realise it.

I wouldn't give it that long

Just look how quick brexiters are drying up on here

No point in talking to people who are so deaf they cant hear.

Can you really still not see what's happening?

Can you name one thing that the UK has secured from the EU so far?

Can you name one company that has come to the UK specifically because of Brexit?

Can you name one country that the UK has started formal trade negotiations with?

We are one month into a 2 (TWO) year negotiation process.

Maybe actually listen to what is being said in the negotiations instead of letting it go in one ear and out the other, David Davis said "Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed".

Thr negotiations need to be concluded by October 2018 in order to be ratified by both the EU and UK and then implemented in time for March 2019.

You have 15 months remaining. Good luck.

I am completely at a loss as to how a free trade deal with the United States is going to be in any way beneficial to the United Kingdom. I suspect that the US negotiators will be itching to provide Trump with a deal that satisfies his ideas of how one sided a deal should look and I suspect that a desperate UK will be prepared sign anything at this stage of Brexit.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Pretty much sums Brexit up in one article. The UK was in a particularly good position and is throwing it away and the longer the negotiations last the more obvious it becomes. How long until public opinion solidly turns against Brexit?That is right as most brexiters is narrow minded and just thinks of immigration and as one said above it is economic suicide. I give it 1 year before they realise it.

I wouldn't give it that long

Just look how quick brexiters are drying up on here

No point in talking to people who are so deaf they cant hear.

Can you really still not see what's happening?

Can you name one thing that the UK has secured from the EU so far?

Can you name one company that has come to the UK specifically because of Brexit?

Can you name one country that the UK has started formal trade negotiations with?

We are one month into a 2 (TWO) year negotiation process.

Maybe actually listen to what is being said in the negotiations instead of letting it go in one ear and out the other, David Davis said "Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed".

Thr negotiations need to be concluded by October 2018 in order to be ratified by both the EU and UK and then implemented in time for March 2019.

You have 15 months remaining. Good luck.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've said many times before the winners in Brexit will be the Americans the Chinese and the Japanese but Brexiters can't see that a free trade deal with no tariffs with a country like China who can produce almost everything you can at a fraction of the cost is suicide for British companies

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Pretty much sums Brexit up in one article. The UK was in a particularly good position and is throwing it away and the longer the negotiations last the more obvious it becomes. How long until public opinion solidly turns against Brexit?That is right as most brexiters is narrow minded and just thinks of immigration and as one said above it is economic suicide. I give it 1 year before they realise it.

I wouldn't give it that long

Just look how quick brexiters are drying up on here

No point in talking to people who are so deaf they cant hear.

Can you really still not see what's happening?

Can you name one thing that the UK has secured from the EU so far?

Can you name one company that has come to the UK specifically because of Brexit?

Can you name one country that the UK has started formal trade negotiations with?

We are one month into a 2 (TWO) year negotiation process.

Maybe actually listen to what is being said in the negotiations instead of letting it go in one ear and out the other, David Davis said "Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed".

Thr negotiations need to be concluded by October 2018 in order to be ratified by both the EU and UK and then implemented in time for March 2019.

You have 15 months remaining. Good luck.

Following on from this point, centaur, how would trade disputes be sorted between the US and UK? Would it be solely British Judges sitting in British courts? As so many have claimed their Brexit vote was for sovereignty rather than immigration, I would assume that would be the only satisfactory outcome for them?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"I've said many times before the winners in Brexit will be the Americans the Chinese and the Japanese but Brexiters can't see that a free trade deal with no tariffs with a country like China who can produce almost everything you can at a fraction of the cost is suicide for British companies "

And Russia

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And Russia "

And the UK

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

uncharted territory indeed

and the UK are always in front exploring uncharted territory

That is what puts the "Great" in Great Britain

Brexit will happy, and then others from EU will follow

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-free-movement-economy-back-to-the-start-a7821266.html

Pretty much sums Brexit up in one article. The UK was in a particularly good position and is throwing it away and the longer the negotiations last the more obvious it becomes. How long until public opinion solidly turns against Brexit?That is right as most brexiters is narrow minded and just thinks of immigration and as one said above it is economic suicide. I give it 1 year before they realise it.

I wouldn't give it that long

Just look how quick brexiters are drying up on here

No point in talking to people who are so deaf they cant hear.

Can you really still not see what's happening?

Can you name one thing that the UK has secured from the EU so far?

Can you name one company that has come to the UK specifically because of Brexit?

Can you name one country that the UK has started formal trade negotiations with?

We are one month into a 2 (TWO) year negotiation process.

Maybe actually listen to what is being said in the negotiations instead of letting it go in one ear and out the other, David Davis said "Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed".

Thr negotiations need to be concluded by October 2018 in order to be ratified by both the EU and UK and then implemented in time for March 2019.

You have 15 months remaining. Good luck.

So still after more than a year, not one single trade talk has begun. Thanks for confirming what I said

As I said Liam Fox has been putting in the ground work visiting many countries for the last 12 months. I looked it up on Google 27 countries so far are wanting trade deals with the UK after Brexit and formal talks start with the USA in a couple of weeks.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

uncharted territory indeed

and the UK are always in front exploring uncharted territory

That is what puts the "Great" in Great Britain

Brexit will happy, and then others from EU will follow "
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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"I'm sat in a bar in Spain with a gang of bin men and bar workers who would tell you to take the EU toma por culo

The working class people I drink with here in Spain all think Britain is foolish to be leaving the European Union. Obviously there is similar feeling across Europe - some do and some don't.

Same story with everyone else I've met abroad. They all can't understand why we are doing it.

-Matt

We've met Swedes, Italians, Spanish , pretty much 50/50. Greeks we've met hate, loathe and detest the EU 100%.

The French, Germans and Dutch that we've met? One of their first concerns they all voice is who is going to pay the UK's share?

Generally eastern EU citizens we've met are for the EU (Poles, Hungarians, Romanians).

I would agree it depends who you talk to. Some Europeans are very anti EU, some are very pro EU, same as in this forum there is a mix on both sides.

Yet only one country has had a referendum."

Various countries in the EU have had referendums on EU treaties and various countries have voted against those treaties. Although the EU being of the anti democratic nature that it is told those countries to go back and vote again until the people gave the answer the EU wanted.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

The UK is an Island and is geared up for global trade. We have shipyards and docks all around the perimeter of the UK shoreline (plus more can be built which would lead to more jobs and more growth in the economy). Shipping times are now shorter than they have ever been you also have shipment of small goods by aeroplane. Most shipyards and docks are now fully computerised, paperwork for containers can be processed in the time it takes a crane to lift a container from the ship on to dry land.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

The Chinese like to buy luxury British goods, Land Rover's, Jaguars, Aston Martins, Scottish whisky, JCB diggers, and the list goes on and on and on. There are plenty of British made goods that the rest of the world wants.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"I'm sat in a bar in Spain with a gang of bin men and bar workers who would tell you to take the EU toma por culo

The working class people I drink with here in Spain all think Britain is foolish to be leaving the European Union. Obviously there is similar feeling across Europe - some do and some don't.

Same story with everyone else I've met abroad. They all can't understand why we are doing it.

-Matt

We've met Swedes, Italians, Spanish , pretty much 50/50. Greeks we've met hate, loathe and detest the EU 100%.

The French, Germans and Dutch that we've met? One of their first concerns they all voice is who is going to pay the UK's share?

Generally eastern EU citizens we've met are for the EU (Poles, Hungarians, Romanians).

I would agree it depends who you talk to. Some Europeans are very anti EU, some are very pro EU, same as in this forum there is a mix on both sides.

Yet only one country has had a referendum.

Yet only one country has actually had a referendum on leaving right? You Brexiters love to say how much everyone is suffering, how so many countries want to leave, so why aren’t they holding referendums to leave then?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"I have heard some people in the UK argue that one can leave the single market build customs unions to achieve frictionless trade. That is not possible.”

“We can see here that only the combination of the customs union and the single market allows for frictionless trade between states. One cannot have one without the other.

Michel Barnier - 6 July 2017

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

Are you sure they won’t be buying one of the more than 200,000 JCBs that have been built in India over the last 35 years? Maybe from one of JCBs two brand new factories that they have just opened at a cost of £62m?

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

Jaguar Land Rover has a factory in China, making Range Rovers for domestic consumption.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have heard some people in the UK argue that one can leave the single market build customs unions to achieve frictionless trade. That is not possible.”

“We can see here that only the combination of the customs union and the single market allows for frictionless trade between states. One cannot have one without the other.

Michel Barnier - 6 July 2017"

Inspections and check can work both ways, so if they want to impose more stringent checks on goods leaving the U.K. Then the reverse will have to happen.

That would mean every batch of wine,cheese, all of those luxuries that the other EU countries need to export to the U.K.

Business will find a way!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

just shows you how little research this guy does.

And i think i've worked out the slogan on the Red Bus now....Boris meant the NHS would be 350m worst off after we left....he just got the wording wrong

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"I have heard some people in the UK argue that one can leave the single market build customs unions to achieve frictionless trade. That is not possible.”

“We can see here that only the combination of the customs union and the single market allows for frictionless trade between states. One cannot have one without the other.

Michel Barnier - 6 July 2017

Inspections and check can work both ways, so if they want to impose more stringent checks on goods leaving the U.K. Then the reverse will have to happen.

That would mean every batch of wine,cheese, all of those luxuries that the other EU countries need to export to the U.K.

Business will find a way! "

You're totally right, without a trade deal every batch of wine, cheese and all those other things including luxuries that the EU countries export to the UK will have to be inspected and checked. Which means we'll have to pay more for them. How's that meant to be a positive for BREXIT?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have heard some people in the UK argue that one can leave the single market build customs unions to achieve frictionless trade. That is not possible.”

“We can see here that only the combination of the customs union and the single market allows for frictionless trade between states. One cannot have one without the other.

Michel Barnier - 6 July 2017

Inspections and check can work both ways, so if they want to impose more stringent checks on goods leaving the U.K. Then the reverse will have to happen.

That would mean every batch of wine,cheese, all of those luxuries that the other EU countries need to export to the U.K.

Business will find a way!

Just how long do you think the rest of the EU is going to be happy at all of the hold ups ? It will effect them as well so they will do everything to speed it up.

Also we make wine, cheese etc in the U.K. So it's about time we supported our own product

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have heard some people in the UK argue that one can leave the single market build customs unions to achieve frictionless trade. That is not possible.”

“We can see here that only the combination of the customs union and the single market allows for frictionless trade between states. One cannot have one without the other.

Michel Barnier - 6 July 2017

Inspections and check can work both ways, so if they want to impose more stringent checks on goods leaving the U.K. Then the reverse will have to happen.

That would mean every batch of wine,cheese, all of those luxuries that the other EU countries need to export to the U.K.

Business will find a way!

Just how long do you think the rest of the EU is going to be happy at all of the hold ups ? It will effect them as well so they will do everything to speed it up.

Also we make wine, cheese etc in the U.K. So it's about time we supported our own product "
i love wine and cheese and we make some of best cheeses on earth often better than the French .Our sparkling wine is better than the french best champagne.Our red wine isnt any good.I can agree with supporting our producers but i will be unhappy if EU wine goes up in price.Coupled with the fall in the pound my favourite tipple is going to be more expensive.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

It can only be a good thing if ppl

Made more effort to buy British but Iv always thought that even before brexit

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

"It can only be a good thing if ppl

Made more effort to buy British but Iv always thought that even before brexit "

I agree. But the reality is we produce just a tiny fraction of (e.g) wine than we import from the EU. I can't remember the numbers offhand but looked it up before and we'd have to scale up our wine production by an order of magnitude at least to meet the domestic demand.

-Matt

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

The British shipping industry is long dead. As a former merchant seaman I can tell you quite confidently that the UK No longer has the ability to mass ship at competitive rates and almost all of the historically significant shipping lines are now long gone. Even if there were such demand, the National shipbuilding industry would be in one hell of a battle with shipbuilders across the world to deliver a ship at the right budget.

Transportation of goods into andbout of the UK is not a problem now and never will be unless the UK decides that customs checks need to be more vigorous than they are at the moment.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a big old world out there and lots of other countries to buy from if EU countries don't want to sell to us.

I think it will creat a lot more competition to and a lot more trade.

There will always be ripples but there would be anyways.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have heard some people in the UK argue that one can leave the single market build customs unions to achieve frictionless trade. That is not possible.”

“We can see here that only the combination of the customs union and the single market allows for frictionless trade between states. One cannot have one without the other.

Michel Barnier - 6 July 2017

Inspections and check can work both ways, so if they want to impose more stringent checks on goods leaving the U.K. Then the reverse will have to happen.

That would mean every batch of wine,cheese, all of those luxuries that the other EU countries need to export to the U.K.

Business will find a way!

Just how long do you think the rest of the EU is going to be happy at all of the hold ups ? It will effect them as well so they will do everything to speed it up.

Also we make wine, cheese etc in the U.K. So it's about time we supported our own product "
you are fooling yourself thinking business will have the upper hand in this ....for everyone like you who thinks that the EU can't survive without selling to the UK let me ask one question...don't you think since business always try to make more profit that these French wine makers and German auto guys would love to sell there products to contries like north Korea and Cuba and make even more money? But they can't cuz politics said so ...same thing will happen here no business is bigger than the eu

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

Can't see to many North Koreans or Cubans being able to afford much French wine or German cars to be honest with you

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I never said the Eu cannot survive without the uk but business will find a way.

Try telling the French farmers that they cannot sell to the uk and see what happens

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"It's a big old world out there and lots of other countries to buy from if EU countries don't want to sell to us.

I think it will creat a lot more competition to and a lot more trade.

There will always be ripples but there would be anyways."

As the new trade deals start to get signed all around the rest of the world prices in the shops will start to come down for consumers from those countries. The EU is really a protection racket that builds barriers to trade for its members, keeps prices artificially high and kills off competition in the EU market by making it very difficult for small businesses to thrive while the big multi national companies work the lobbies in the EU and get their own way. It's why big business mainly supported Remain and small businesses mainly supported Leave in referendum.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"It's a big old world out there and lots of other countries to buy from if EU countries don't want to sell to us.

I think it will creat a lot more competition to and a lot more trade.

There will always be ripples but there would be anyways."

We already trade with the big old world, being in the EU doesn't stop us doing that, in fact quite the opposite. The biggest increase in our trade with countries outside the EU is with countries we have trade agreements with through the EU. Those trade agreements will end when we leave the EU. It's simply either misinformed or deliberately misleading to say leaving the EU will increase the trade we do with countries outside the EU, it won't. It will lead to less trade with the EU - 40%, less trade with countries we have trade agreements with through the EU - 20% and at best no change with the others - 40%

And what do you mean by 'ripples'?. Is that ordinary working people loosing their jobs and livelihoods? Is that the 'ripples' your talking about?

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By *wingtolifeCouple over a year ago

who knows

"It's a big old world out there and lots of other countries to buy from if EU countries don't want to sell to us.

I think it will creat a lot more competition to and a lot more trade.

There will always be ripples but there would be anyways.

And what do you mean by 'ripples'?. Is that ordinary working people loosing their jobs and livelihoods? Is that the 'ripples' your talking about?"
people have been losing jobs etc forever, nothing really to do with the Eu.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

How the hell do u know it's 20%-40% cracken can u see in to the future ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I have done another thread

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"How the hell do u know it's 20%-40% cracken can u see in to the future ?"

It really doesn't matter what he says it is, the UK can sign it's own trade deals with those countries the EU has trade deals with after Brexit, plus the UK can sign many more new trade deals with countries the EU doesn't currently have trade deals with.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"It's a big old world out there and lots of other countries to buy from if EU countries don't want to sell to us.

I think it will creat a lot more competition to and a lot more trade.

There will always be ripples but there would be anyways.

I don't know any small business owners who supported BREXIT, although I'm sure some may. However large British business that have already moved their production facilities to outside the EU in order to take advantage of cheap Labour and lax health and safety regulations, such as Dyson and JCB, may well support BREXIT but companies that have actually invested in production and providing jobs here in the UK such as Jaguar, Ford, Nisan, Toyota seem to think it's an extremely bad idea.

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