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Labour to table an amendment to the queen's speech calling for the 1% public sector pay cap and cuts to the police and emergency services to end. Corbs says todays amendment will be a "test case" of MPs willingness to oppose further austerity measures. So what does TM do?, reiterate that there's no magic money tree (while desperately trying to keep a straight face) or piss off half her party and admit that 7 years of austerity was built not on necessity but political dogma
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It one of them there dilemma thingamybobs...... could be fun to watch if it wasn't so serious. Gordon Brown spent all our money (even left a note in the treasury to say so). We can't spend it again! |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP. "
Even though more people back tax and spend than austerity?
British Attitudes Survey: More Britons 'back higher taxes' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40408576 |
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"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP. "
So the Tories will vote against ending the cuts to police and emergency services days after finding a billion pounds to buy the support of the DUP. Hows that going to look? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP.
So the Tories will vote against ending the cuts to police and emergency services days after finding a billion pounds to buy the support of the DUP. Hows that going to look?"
Its going to look real bad if and when they do....her and the tories time is numbered the clock is ticking on just how long they will last  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP. "
and then the DUP and the Tories both look like they hate Police, Firemen and Nurses (who are the 3 groups specifically named in the Amendment).....
so again.... who wins here?
can i ask if you hate Police, Firemen and Nurses enough to vote against the amendment centaur???? |
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"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP.
So the Tories will vote against ending the cuts to police and emergency services days after finding a billion pounds to buy the support of the DUP. Hows that going to look?
Its going to look real bad if and when they do....her and the tories time is numbered the clock is ticking on just how long they will last "
Not very long they have no idea the biggest shambles in politics the last few months |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP.
So the Tories will vote against ending the cuts to police and emergency services days after finding a billion pounds to buy the support of the DUP. Hows that going to look?"
It will look like the are cunts. Which they are. Worryingly people don't seem to mind this and are happy to be fucked over by them daily.
-Matt |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP.
Even though more people back tax and spend than austerity?
British Attitudes Survey: More Britons 'back higher taxes' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40408576"
Didn't the same survey say that 76% of people think the UK should leave the EU? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP.
Even though more people back tax and spend than austerity?
British Attitudes Survey: More Britons 'back higher taxes' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40408576
Didn't the same survey say that 76% of people think the UK should leave the EU?"
okay.... so let me ask you.... just out of interest?
would YOU vote against the amendment????? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP.
Even though more people back tax and spend than austerity?
British Attitudes Survey: More Britons 'back higher taxes' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40408576
Didn't the same survey say that 76% of people think the UK should leave the EU?"
A survey is a survey......in the only one that counts over a million more people voted Tory than labour...... As I said could be a dilemma! |
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The Tories don't seem to be sneering at Corbyn any more. Could they be waking up to the fact that he was being polite and not interrupting them while they were building their latest leaders coffin but now she is a living copse he is hammering the nails down prior to burial? I wonder who the Tories will serve up next for him to quietly go about killing off? |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP.
Even though more people back tax and spend than austerity?
British Attitudes Survey: More Britons 'back higher taxes' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40408576
Didn't the same survey say that 76% of people think the UK should leave the EU?
okay.... so let me ask you.... just out of interest?
would YOU vote against the amendment?????"
No. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
and the tory and dup defeated the amendment... and the backlash starts
so you can see what a Pickle a lot of Tory and DUP mp's are in.....
funny that the conservatives are putting no one up on the political news programmes tonight to defend this.....
they know that whilst in parliament its a "win", in the eyes of the general public its going to look awful!
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
Why is it awful, thats been the position since it was first put forward, corbyn just muck raking and using nurses et al for his own purposes, much as he has the tower fire, did he promise to raise their pay during the election ? is it time they had a better pay rise yes |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"and the tory and dup defeated the amendment... and the backlash starts
so you can see what a Pickle a lot of Tory and DUP mp's are in.....
funny that the conservatives are putting no one up on the political news programmes tonight to defend this.....
they know that whilst in parliament its a "win", in the eyes of the general public its going to look awful!
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I think shes given up trying to pretended she cares about people and decided to go full on cunt as shes out of a job soon
Happy fucking days.
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By *andACouple
over a year ago
glasgow |
"It will be interesting to see how the SNP MPs will vote.
Their devolved Government had chances to increase pay but decided to cap it at 1%.
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Shameful from the SNP again. They vote in Westminster to remove the pay cap and in Holyrood they voted against removing it last month. Absolutely shameful. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why is it awful, thats been the position since it was first put forward, corbyn just muck raking and using nurses et al for his own purposes, much as he has the tower fire, did he promise to raise their pay during the election ? is it time they had a better pay rise yes"
But he means it thats why it was all costed out in the manifesto....im not getting what you mean muck racking and using the nurses and other government workers...thats what he believes in ...thats what a lot of the country believe in...this election wasnt just about brexit it was a lot to do with standards and paying people what they deserve and not being on zero hours contracts at the whim of some unscrupulous job agencies...im afraid you need to climb out of your ivory tower and think about others for a change  |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Why is it awful, thats been the position since it was first put forward, corbyn just muck raking and using nurses et al for his own purposes, much as he has the tower fire, did he promise to raise their pay during the election ? is it time they had a better pay rise yes
But he means it thats why it was all costed out in the manifesto....im not getting what you mean muck racking and using the nurses and other government workers...thats what he believes in ...thats what a lot of the country believe in...this election wasnt just about brexit it was a lot to do with standards and paying people what they deserve and not being on zero hours contracts at the whim of some unscrupulous job agencies...im afraid you need to climb out of your ivory tower and think about others for a change "
Lots of people like zero hours contracts, many dont, plenty of bad employers and plenty of bad employees, also did you miss the bit where I said they deserve a pay rise ? Thanks I do a bit for others not so fortunate as myself thanks, I give a fair bit to charity each year and donate some time to one as well, but perhaps you need need to get off your high horse to see  |
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"and the tory and dup defeated the amendment... and the backlash starts
so you can see what a Pickle a lot of Tory and DUP mp's are in.....
funny that the conservatives are putting no one up on the political news programmes tonight to defend this.....
they know that whilst in parliament its a "win", in the eyes of the general public its going to look awful!
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I wonder how those who voted in a DUP MP feel about their party voting against removing the pay cap? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why is it awful, thats been the position since it was first put forward, corbyn just muck raking and using nurses et al for his own purposes, much as he has the tower fire, did he promise to raise their pay during the election ? is it time they had a better pay rise yes
But he means it thats why it was all costed out in the manifesto....im not getting what you mean muck racking and using the nurses and other government workers...thats what he believes in ...thats what a lot of the country believe in...this election wasnt just about brexit it was a lot to do with standards and paying people what they deserve and not being on zero hours contracts at the whim of some unscrupulous job agencies...im afraid you need to climb out of your ivory tower and think about others for a change
Lots of people like zero hours contracts, many dont, plenty of bad employers and plenty of bad employees, also did you miss the bit where I said they deserve a pay rise ? Thanks I do a bit for others not so fortunate as myself thanks, I give a fair bit to charity each year and donate some time to one as well, but perhaps you need need to get off your high horse to see "
Who told you they like zero hours?...tbh ive never heard anyone say they like zero hours contracts whose on them and in the town i live in there's plenty of factories using them....these people are not even directly employed by them!!!....remember its banded about here on these very same forums that we have nearly full employment....im telling you we dont far from if if you remove the zero hours contract in the equation.... no you said hes using them for his own political gain i pointed out were it was fully costed and included in the Labour party manifesto..maybe you would like to read your comments again.
Well thats great for you im really pleased you do your bit...but i know where charity begins its with our fellow countrymen who deserve the very same opportunities as we had growing up... |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
This vote was all about who calls the shots in Government.
As Jeremy Corbyn was reminded today in PMQs, he might be popular but he didn't win the election. He simply hasn't got the numbers, so no amount of posturing, will force the Government to dance to his tune.
I would imagine, that the next budget will quite probably contain some good news for public sector workers. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
this tactic isn't going to get any easier for the conservatives to bat off....
the next labour queens speech amendment is a corker...
labour want to make it okay for women in northern ireland to come over to the mainland for abortions and get them free of charge....
at the moment it is illegal for women in NI to get them, and the ones who come to the mainland are charged for them (either via private clinics or NHS hospitals)
the arguement is that because they pay tax in the uk, then all services should be applied in the same manner......
lets see the conservatives and jeremy hunt bat this one off...... |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Corbyn lost the election,lost the popular vote and lost this amendment.
Corbyn is a loser"
so again.... would YOU have voted against Police, Firemen and Nurses getting an increase? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"It will be interesting to see how the SNP MPs will vote.
Their devolved Government had chances to increase pay but decided to cap it at 1%.
Shameful from the SNP again. They vote in Westminster to remove the pay cap and in Holyrood they voted against removing it last month. Absolutely shameful."
there could have done it themselves, and it would have come out of the block grant as it is and other things would have had to be compromised...... but there is a reason why they would certain vote for it in a westminster context....
it would mean extra barnett formula money would have had to be sent to them... and they could then cover that increases without it affecting any other services.... |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"Corbyn lost the election,lost the popular vote and lost this amendment.
Corbyn is a loser"
You missed the entire point of this thread.
The amendment was a very tactical move by Corbyn. The fact it was voted down shows in plain light that the Tories are talking bullshit about ending austerity.
-Matt |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Why is it awful, thats been the position since it was first put forward, corbyn just muck raking and using nurses et al for his own purposes, much as he has the tower fire, did he promise to raise their pay during the election ? is it time they had a better pay rise yes"
in answer to the question "did he promise to raise their pay during the election?".... the answer is actually "YES!"....
he did promise to lift the 1% cap on the public sector.........
the conservatives are in a shambles at the moment, because this morning on the radio shows they were saying they would look at it... and then this afternoon they said there policy would not change.....
a u-turn at 1pm followed by another u-turn at 4pm..... |
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By *andACouple
over a year ago
glasgow |
"It will be interesting to see how the SNP MPs will vote.
Their devolved Government had chances to increase pay but decided to cap it at 1%.
Shameful from the SNP again. They vote in Westminster to remove the pay cap and in Holyrood they voted against removing it last month. Absolutely shameful.
there could have done it themselves, and it would have come out of the block grant as it is and other things would have had to be compromised...... but there is a reason why they would certain vote for it in a westminster context....
it would mean extra barnett formula money would have had to be sent to them... and they could then cover that increases without it affecting any other services...."
Or there's their main reason, and that is the SNP tend to act left wing and radical (not that doing away with the pay cap is either though) in Westminster but in Hollyrood where they are in government they revert to their naturally centrist way of doing things. It's why they also wanted to increase the higher tax rate when it was under Westminster control but when they got the powers themselves they refused to change it etc etc.
They currently get an £11bn fiscal transfer due to the barnett formula so that's way more than enough to do away with the pay cap. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"Why is it awful, thats been the position since it was first put forward, corbyn just muck raking and using nurses et al for his own purposes, much as he has the tower fire, did he promise to raise their pay during the election ? is it time they had a better pay rise yes"
Ending the pay cap is in the Labour manifesto in a number of places. e.g.
p38: "We will tackle the teacher recruitment
and retention crisis by ending
the public-sector pay cap, giving
teachers more direct involvement in
the curriculum, and tackling rising
workloads by reducing monitoring
and bureaucracy"
p47: "8. End the Public Sector Pay Cap –
because public sector workers
deserve a pay rise after years of
falling wages."
p68: "Labour will scrap the NHS pay cap,
put pay decisions back into the hands
of the independent pay review body
and give our NHS workers the pay
they deserve. Labour will protect
patients and legislate to ensure
safe staffing levels in the NHS."
p82: "We will recruit 3,000 more prison
officers and review the training and
professional development available.
we will publish prison officer to
prisoner ratios for all prisons. Our
proposal to lift the public sector
pay cap will help to increase the
recruitment and retention of both
prison officers and probation officers"
Hardly muck raking.
-Matt |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"Defeated 323 to 309, now my maths could be wrong but I make that a couple of tories not voting with the government
So at 323 votes out of a possible 650, the government still wasn't defeated?"
I think you are getting confused about who is in government.
-Matt |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why is it awful, thats been the position since it was first put forward, corbyn just muck raking and using nurses et al for his own purposes, much as he has the tower fire, did he promise to raise their pay during the election ? is it time they had a better pay rise yes
Ending the pay cap is in the Labour manifesto in a number of places. e.g.
p38: "We will tackle the teacher recruitment
and retention crisis by ending
the public-sector pay cap, giving
teachers more direct involvement in
the curriculum, and tackling rising
workloads by reducing monitoring
and bureaucracy"
p47: "8. End the Public Sector Pay Cap –
because public sector workers
deserve a pay rise after years of
falling wages."
p68: "Labour will scrap the NHS pay cap,
put pay decisions back into the hands
of the independent pay review body
and give our NHS workers the pay
they deserve. Labour will protect
patients and legislate to ensure
safe staffing levels in the NHS."
p82: "We will recruit 3,000 more prison
officers and review the training and
professional development available.
we will publish prison officer to
prisoner ratios for all prisons. Our
proposal to lift the public sector
pay cap will help to increase the
recruitment and retention of both
prison officers and probation officers"
Hardly muck raking.
-Matt"
But its not JC is muck throwing spreading lies for his own political gain...if you read the Daily Scum or the Daily Snail you sometimes believe what they say |
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over a year ago
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"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP.
Even though more people back tax and spend than austerity?
British Attitudes Survey: More Britons 'back higher taxes' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40408576"
I take it you back austerity though if you back the EU? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Defeated 323 to 309, now my maths could be wrong but I make that a couple of tories not voting with the government
So at 323 votes out of a possible 650, the government still wasn't defeated?"
its not 650... its actually 650.... minus 3 (speakers and 2 deputies cant vote) minus 7 (sinn fein) so its actually 640
so would need 320 to force it thru...... |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP.
Even though more people back tax and spend than austerity?
British Attitudes Survey: More Britons 'back higher taxes' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40408576
I take it you back austerity though if you back the EU?"
okay... i'm asking all the known tories on the site tonight...
Would YOU have voted against the Police, Firemen and nurses getting an increase in the amendment tonight?..... |
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over a year ago
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"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP.
Even though more people back tax and spend than austerity?
British Attitudes Survey: More Britons 'back higher taxes' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40408576
I take it you back austerity though if you back the EU?
okay... i'm asking all the known tories on the site tonight...
Would YOU have voted against the Police, Firemen and nurses getting an increase in the amendment tonight?....."
I would give them a rise. Civil servants such as yourself I wouldn't |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
Not here |
"Defeated 323 to 309, now my maths could be wrong but I make that a couple of tories not voting with the government
So at 323 votes out of a possible 650, the government still wasn't defeated?
its not 650... its actually 650.... minus 3 (speakers and 2 deputies cant vote) minus 7 (sinn fein) so its actually 640
so would need 320 to force it thru......"
There are actually 3 deputy speakers. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP.
Even though more people back tax and spend than austerity?
British Attitudes Survey: More Britons 'back higher taxes' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40408576
I take it you back austerity though if you back the EU?
okay... i'm asking all the known tories on the site tonight...
Would YOU have voted against the Police, Firemen and nurses getting an increase in the amendment tonight?....."
Yes. 1% would be very nice thank you for last few 10 years and some have had a lot more than that thankyou very much. What people don't seem to realize is that people like me who pay income tax in the private sector haven't had a wage rise for nearly 10 years and watch people in the public sector seem get a rise no matter what. 1% compounded for last 10 years would actually be alot better than sweet FA, be thankful you are getting some sort of consideration for your efforts and accept that there are lots of people out there working very hard to pay the taxes that keep you in a job. Pay increases are not an entitlement to keep up with inflation. That's just fricking stupid. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP.
Even though more people back tax and spend than austerity?
British Attitudes Survey: More Britons 'back higher taxes' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40408576
I take it you back austerity though if you back the EU?
okay... i'm asking all the known tories on the site tonight...
Would YOU have voted against the Police, Firemen and nurses getting an increase in the amendment tonight?.....
I would give them a rise. Civil servants such as yourself I wouldn't"
ouch... that hurt, but i haven't had more than 1% for the last going on 8 yrs... and civil servants like myself don't earn nearly as much as you think.... but thats by the by.....
anyway, its interest that everything thinks the emergency services deserve a pay rise, but every single conservative mp put the party and their own self interest BEFORE giving police, fire and nurses a pay rise.....
and conservative party policy on the issue changed 3 different times today........
from probably in all the morning raido intereviews (and they sent out michael fallon to do them all with the same message!!!) ..... to possibly in the no.10 press briefing today... to no happening in an offical statement from the treasury! |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP.
Even though more people back tax and spend than austerity?
British Attitudes Survey: More Britons 'back higher taxes' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40408576
I take it you back austerity though if you back the EU?
okay... i'm asking all the known tories on the site tonight...
Would YOU have voted against the Police, Firemen and nurses getting an increase in the amendment tonight?.....
Yes. 1% would be very nice thank you for last few 10 years and some have had a lot more than that thankyou very much. What people don't seem to realize is that people like me who pay income tax in the private sector haven't had a wage rise for nearly 10 years and watch people in the public sector seem get a rise no matter what. 1% compounded for last 10 years would actually be alot better than sweet FA, be thankful you are getting some sort of consideration for your efforts and accept that there are lots of people out there working very hard to pay the taxes that keep you in a job. Pay increases are not an entitlement to keep up with inflation. That's just fricking stupid."
No pay rise in 10 years? Seriously? Then I'd consider changing job or employer or role. Or working out how to have a word with whomever pays your wages.
If you received 30,000 per annum 10 years ago, then that would only be worth about 23,000 today. So you would have in effect had quite a drop in salary.
-Matt |
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over a year ago
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"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP.
Even though more people back tax and spend than austerity?
British Attitudes Survey: More Britons 'back higher taxes' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40408576
I take it you back austerity though if you back the EU?
okay... i'm asking all the known tories on the site tonight...
Would YOU have voted against the Police, Firemen and nurses getting an increase in the amendment tonight?.....
Yes. 1% would be very nice thank you for last few 10 years and some have had a lot more than that thankyou very much. What people don't seem to realize is that people like me who pay income tax in the private sector haven't had a wage rise for nearly 10 years and watch people in the public sector seem get a rise no matter what. 1% compounded for last 10 years would actually be alot better than sweet FA, be thankful you are getting some sort of consideration for your efforts and accept that there are lots of people out there working very hard to pay the taxes that keep you in a job. Pay increases are not an entitlement to keep up with inflation. That's just fricking stupid.
No pay rise in 10 years? Seriously? Then I'd consider changing job or employer or role. Or working out how to have a word with whomever pays your wages.
If you received 30,000 per annum 10 years ago, then that would only be worth about 23,000 today. So you would have in effect had quite a drop in salary.
-Matt"
agreed ... the private sector is market driven. if you're any good at the job you do your employer will reward you .... if your crap at your job or too timid to ask for more pay then you won't be rewarded ... it's the price people pay for getting higher wages in the private sector than the lower wages offered in the public sector... simple as that |
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"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP.
Even though more people back tax and spend than austerity?
British Attitudes Survey: More Britons 'back higher taxes' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40408576
I take it you back austerity though if you back the EU?
okay... i'm asking all the known tories on the site tonight...
Would YOU have voted against the Police, Firemen and nurses getting an increase in the amendment tonight?.....
Yes. 1% would be very nice thank you for last few 10 years and some have had a lot more than that thankyou very much. What people don't seem to realize is that people like me who pay income tax in the private sector haven't had a wage rise for nearly 10 years and watch people in the public sector seem get a rise no matter what. 1% compounded for last 10 years would actually be alot better than sweet FA, be thankful you are getting some sort of consideration for your efforts and accept that there are lots of people out there working very hard to pay the taxes that keep you in a job. Pay increases are not an entitlement to keep up with inflation. That's just fricking stupid.
No pay rise in 10 years? Seriously? Then I'd consider changing job or employer or role. Or working out how to have a word with whomever pays your wages.
If you received 30,000 per annum 10 years ago, then that would only be worth about 23,000 today. So you would have in effect had quite a drop in salary.
-Matt
agreed ... the private sector is market driven. if you're any good at the job you do your employer will reward you .... if your crap at your job or too timid to ask for more pay then you won't be rewarded ... it's the price people pay for getting higher wages in the private sector than the lower wages offered in the public sector... simple as that"
Not simple at all. If you are in the private sector and good at your job you will still be paid the same as those who are shit at their job in a lot of circumstances because that is the going rate. And the public sector is not necessarily lower paid. What does a bin man earn compared to a fruit packer for example? |
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"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP.
Even though more people back tax and spend than austerity?
British Attitudes Survey: More Britons 'back higher taxes' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40408576
I take it you back austerity though if you back the EU?
okay... i'm asking all the known tories on the site tonight...
Would YOU have voted against the Police, Firemen and nurses getting an increase in the amendment tonight?.....
Yes. 1% would be very nice thank you for last few 10 years and some have had a lot more than that thankyou very much. What people don't seem to realize is that people like me who pay income tax in the private sector haven't had a wage rise for nearly 10 years and watch people in the public sector seem get a rise no matter what. 1% compounded for last 10 years would actually be alot better than sweet FA, be thankful you are getting some sort of consideration for your efforts and accept that there are lots of people out there working very hard to pay the taxes that keep you in a job. Pay increases are not an entitlement to keep up with inflation. That's just fricking stupid.
No pay rise in 10 years? Seriously? Then I'd consider changing job or employer or role. Or working out how to have a word with whomever pays your wages.
If you received 30,000 per annum 10 years ago, then that would only be worth about 23,000 today. So you would have in effect had quite a drop in salary.
-Matt
agreed ... the private sector is market driven. if you're any good at the job you do your employer will reward you .... if your crap at your job or too timid to ask for more pay then you won't be rewarded ... it's the price people pay for getting higher wages in the private sector than the lower wages offered in the public sector... simple as that
Not simple at all. If you are in the private sector and good at your job you will still be paid the same as those who are shit at their job in a lot of circumstances because that is the going rate. And the public sector is not necessarily lower paid. What does a bin man earn compared to a fruit packer for example?"
Thats crap |
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"Not simple at all. If you are in the private sector and good at your job you will still be paid the same as those who are shit at their job in a lot of circumstances because that is the going rate. And the public sector is not necessarily lower paid. What does a bin man earn compared to a fruit packer for example?"
1) if you are skilled at your chosen employment you have the opportunity to sell those skills at a higher rate of remuneration
2) Refuse collectors haven't been in the public sector since collection was outsourced to private contractors
3) For an accurate comparison of private/public sector wages then you need to use two comparable job roles (thus making employment status the only variable), otherwise you'll end up with nonsense like 'what does a footballer earn compared to teaching assistant' or 'what does a registrar earn compared to a first year hairdressing apprentice'.
Anyways back to the numbers, with a total of 327 tories/dups less 2 tellers and a speakers deputy that leaves 324, so who was the disobedient Tory? |
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Not simple at all. If you are in the private sector and good at your job you will still be paid the same as those who are shit at their job in a lot of circumstances because that is the going rate."
... if you're too timid to ask you won't get will you .... it really is that simple even though you are unable to understand
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"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP.
Even though more people back tax and spend than austerity?
British Attitudes Survey: More Britons 'back higher taxes' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40408576
I take it you back austerity though if you back the EU?
okay... i'm asking all the known tories on the site tonight...
Would YOU have voted against the Police, Firemen and nurses getting an increase in the amendment tonight?.....
Yes. 1% would be very nice thank you for last few 10 years and some have had a lot more than that thankyou very much. What people don't seem to realize is that people like me who pay income tax in the private sector haven't had a wage rise for nearly 10 years and watch people in the public sector seem get a rise no matter what. 1% compounded for last 10 years would actually be alot better than sweet FA, be thankful you are getting some sort of consideration for your efforts and accept that there are lots of people out there working very hard to pay the taxes that keep you in a job. Pay increases are not an entitlement to keep up with inflation. That's just fricking stupid.
No pay rise in 10 years? Seriously? Then I'd consider changing job or employer or role. Or working out how to have a word with whomever pays your wages.
If you received 30,000 per annum 10 years ago, then that would only be worth about 23,000 today. So you would have in effect had quite a drop in salary.
-Matt"
Nice......... So loyalty to a small SME amounts to nothing. That I have helped keep fellow employees in their jobs by helping to create a sector of our operations that turns a profit. I should just say fuck you. I want a pay rise or I am off. |
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"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP.
Even though more people back tax and spend than austerity?
British Attitudes Survey: More Britons 'back higher taxes' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40408576
I take it you back austerity though if you back the EU?
okay... i'm asking all the known tories on the site tonight...
Would YOU have voted against the Police, Firemen and nurses getting an increase in the amendment tonight?.....
Yes. 1% would be very nice thank you for last few 10 years and some have had a lot more than that thankyou very much. What people don't seem to realize is that people like me who pay income tax in the private sector haven't had a wage rise for nearly 10 years and watch people in the public sector seem get a rise no matter what. 1% compounded for last 10 years would actually be alot better than sweet FA, be thankful you are getting some sort of consideration for your efforts and accept that there are lots of people out there working very hard to pay the taxes that keep you in a job. Pay increases are not an entitlement to keep up with inflation. That's just fricking stupid.
No pay rise in 10 years? Seriously? Then I'd consider changing job or employer or role. Or working out how to have a word with whomever pays your wages.
If you received 30,000 per annum 10 years ago, then that would only be worth about 23,000 today. So you would have in effect had quite a drop in salary.
-Matt
Nice......... So loyalty to a small SME amounts to nothing. That I have helped keep fellow employees in their jobs by helping to create a sector of our operations that turns a profit. I should just say fuck you. I want a pay rise or I am off. "
You've shown loyalty and directly contributed to creating new profits and they havent given you any reward...worse, the real value of your wages has gone down by nearly a third so theyve left you worse off.
Loyaltys a two way street. Youre not a good employee, you're acting like a doormat. If you actually havent got any pay increase in 10 years (which Im incredibly sceptical of because thats ridiculous, you'll be the only person in Britain if thats true, literally the only one) then theyre treating you terribly and taking advantage and you should sort out a new job with pay relative to your work quality. |
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"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP.
Even though more people back tax and spend than austerity?
British Attitudes Survey: More Britons 'back higher taxes' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40408576
I take it you back austerity though if you back the EU?
okay... i'm asking all the known tories on the site tonight...
Would YOU have voted against the Police, Firemen and nurses getting an increase in the amendment tonight?.....
Yes. 1% would be very nice thank you for last few 10 years and some have had a lot more than that thankyou very much. What people don't seem to realize is that people like me who pay income tax in the private sector haven't had a wage rise for nearly 10 years and watch people in the public sector seem get a rise no matter what. 1% compounded for last 10 years would actually be alot better than sweet FA, be thankful you are getting some sort of consideration for your efforts and accept that there are lots of people out there working very hard to pay the taxes that keep you in a job. Pay increases are not an entitlement to keep up with inflation. That's just fricking stupid.
No pay rise in 10 years? Seriously? Then I'd consider changing job or employer or role. Or working out how to have a word with whomever pays your wages.
If you received 30,000 per annum 10 years ago, then that would only be worth about 23,000 today. So you would have in effect had quite a drop in salary.
-Matt
Nice......... So loyalty to a small SME amounts to nothing. That I have helped keep fellow employees in their jobs by helping to create a sector of our operations that turns a profit. I should just say fuck you. I want a pay rise or I am off.
You've shown loyalty and directly contributed to creating new profits and they havent given you any reward...worse, the real value of your wages has gone down by nearly a third so theyve left you worse off.
Loyaltys a two way street. Youre not a good employee, you're acting like a doormat. If you actually havent got any pay increase in 10 years (which Im incredibly sceptical of because thats ridiculous, you'll be the only person in Britain if thats true, literally the only one) then theyre treating you terribly and taking advantage and you should sort out a new job with pay relative to your work quality."
Agree entirely. That's not being loyal, that's letting yourself get walked all over. If you company is making a profit there is no doubt you should have had a wage rise. I'm also slightly sceptical about you claim. I can't conceive of anyone not having had a wage rise in 10 years and not doing something about it. Are you certain you're not perhaps the only one in your company that hasn't had a wage rise because your bosses consider you a mug? |
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"this tactic isn't going to get any easier for the conservatives to bat off....
the next labour queens speech amendment is a corker...
labour want to make it okay for women in northern ireland to come over to the mainland for abortions and get them free of charge....
at the moment it is illegal for women in NI to get them, and the ones who come to the mainland are charged for them (either via private clinics or NHS hospitals)
the arguement is that because they pay tax in the uk, then all services should be applied in the same manner......
lets see the conservatives and jeremy hunt bat this one off......"
Speaker has accepted this amendment up for debate.... the DUP have said they will vote against it
Labour said they will give their MPs a free vote on the issue
Now waiting to see what the conservatives will do... will they impose the whip and make their MPs vote against, in which case it will then be interesting to see if any and how many rebel... or if they allow a free vote and potentially upset their new paymasters |
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OK, lets explain and then maybe you'll be a bit more contrite and less condemning of the firm I work for because they are probably more typical than you public sector sychophants and I want, I want people can possibly imagine.
I work in IT. Our family firm like everyone else had some good times in the noughties. In 2008 the bottom fell out of the market and employees at my level had to accept 30% pay cuts to help tied us over and keep a reasonable number of people in a job. It was either that or the dole queue.
Since then with hard graft and enormous loyalty from the employees because believe it or not it's a nice firm to work for that does actually care for it's employees we've developed new markets and have developed an exciting new product that is about to hit the market. I have had pay rises since those dark days and last year at long last returned to the same salary level as I was at in 2008, so that's why I say I have not had a pay rise. That's how long it took to get back to where I was. Luckily, thanks to the coalition government inflation has been very subdued and like everyone else globalisation and market changes meant that by shopping around I've been able to keep my own personal inflation to near negligible levels. I'm sure everyone else in this ruddy country has done the same. If not get a grip of your finances and stop expecting wage rises to keep up with inflation. I am very lucky. I work from home so have no transport costs, thanks to improvements in communication I can speak instantly to anyone at the office and enjoy a reasonable standard of living thanks to all the hard work I've put in. Hopefully and it's a big if I will get a pay rise that will take me into Plus territory at long last. I'm not counting my chicken but this year could be a good one with a bit of luck.
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"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP.
Even though more people back tax and spend than austerity?
British Attitudes Survey: More Britons 'back higher taxes' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40408576
I take it you back austerity though if you back the EU?
okay... i'm asking all the known tories on the site tonight...
Would YOU have voted against the Police, Firemen and nurses getting an increase in the amendment tonight?.....
Yes. 1% would be very nice thank you for last few 10 years and some have had a lot more than that thankyou very much. What people don't seem to realize is that people like me who pay income tax in the private sector haven't had a wage rise for nearly 10 years and watch people in the public sector seem get a rise no matter what. 1% compounded for last 10 years would actually be alot better than sweet FA, be thankful you are getting some sort of consideration for your efforts and accept that there are lots of people out there working very hard to pay the taxes that keep you in a job. Pay increases are not an entitlement to keep up with inflation. That's just fricking stupid.
No pay rise in 10 years? Seriously? Then I'd consider changing job or employer or role. Or working out how to have a word with whomever pays your wages.
If you received 30,000 per annum 10 years ago, then that would only be worth about 23,000 today. So you would have in effect had quite a drop in salary.
-Matt
Nice......... So loyalty to a small SME amounts to nothing. That I have helped keep fellow employees in their jobs by helping to create a sector of our operations that turns a profit. I should just say fuck you. I want a pay rise or I am off.
You've shown loyalty and directly contributed to creating new profits and they havent given you any reward...worse, the real value of your wages has gone down by nearly a third so theyve left you worse off.
Loyaltys a two way street. Youre not a good employee, you're acting like a doormat. If you actually havent got any pay increase in 10 years (which Im incredibly sceptical of because thats ridiculous, you'll be the only person in Britain if thats true, literally the only one) then theyre treating you terribly and taking advantage and you should sort out a new job with pay relative to your work quality.
Agree entirely. That's not being loyal, that's letting yourself get walked all over. If you company is making a profit there is no doubt you should have had a wage rise. I'm also slightly sceptical about you claim. I can't conceive of anyone not having had a wage rise in 10 years and not doing something about it. Are you certain you're not perhaps the only one in your company that hasn't had a wage rise because your bosses consider you a mug? "
I'm the boss of my company and i haven't had a pay rise since 2009. In fact this year (2016 to 17) I may for the first time earn as much, or nearly as much, as I made in 2008/9. |
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"The Queens speech will pass without ammendments now the tories have the support of the DUP.
Even though more people back tax and spend than austerity?
British Attitudes Survey: More Britons 'back higher taxes' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40408576
I take it you back austerity though if you back the EU?
okay... i'm asking all the known tories on the site tonight...
Would YOU have voted against the Police, Firemen and nurses getting an increase in the amendment tonight?.....
Yes. 1% would be very nice thank you for last few 10 years and some have had a lot more than that thankyou very much. What people don't seem to realize is that people like me who pay income tax in the private sector haven't had a wage rise for nearly 10 years and watch people in the public sector seem get a rise no matter what. 1% compounded for last 10 years would actually be alot better than sweet FA, be thankful you are getting some sort of consideration for your efforts and accept that there are lots of people out there working very hard to pay the taxes that keep you in a job. Pay increases are not an entitlement to keep up with inflation. That's just fricking stupid.
No pay rise in 10 years? Seriously? Then I'd consider changing job or employer or role. Or working out how to have a word with whomever pays your wages.
If you received 30,000 per annum 10 years ago, then that would only be worth about 23,000 today. So you would have in effect had quite a drop in salary.
-Matt
Nice......... So loyalty to a small SME amounts to nothing. That I have helped keep fellow employees in their jobs by helping to create a sector of our operations that turns a profit. I should just say fuck you. I want a pay rise or I am off.
You've shown loyalty and directly contributed to creating new profits and they havent given you any reward...worse, the real value of your wages has gone down by nearly a third so theyve left you worse off.
Loyaltys a two way street. Youre not a good employee, you're acting like a doormat. If you actually havent got any pay increase in 10 years (which Im incredibly sceptical of because thats ridiculous, you'll be the only person in Britain if thats true, literally the only one) then theyre treating you terribly and taking advantage and you should sort out a new job with pay relative to your work quality.
Agree entirely. That's not being loyal, that's letting yourself get walked all over. If you company is making a profit there is no doubt you should have had a wage rise. I'm also slightly sceptical about you claim. I can't conceive of anyone not having had a wage rise in 10 years and not doing something about it. Are you certain you're not perhaps the only one in your company that hasn't had a wage rise because your bosses consider you a mug?
I'm the boss of my company and i haven't had a pay rise since 2009. In fact this year (2016 to 17) I may for the first time earn as much, or nearly as much, as I made in 2008/9."
Well you are very much in agreement with what I have just said. There must be millions of people out there like us who have sacrificed so much over the last 8 to 10 years and yeah fine I'm glad to have the police and nurses and fireman but there is only so much people like us can give. People need to appreciate just who it is that is paying for nurses, firemen and policemen, army and all the other public sector workers. The income tax payer is the easy target. We live here and have an address and an NI number, our card is marked LOL. |
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"OK, lets explain and then maybe you'll be a bit more contrite and less condemning of the firm I work for because they are probably more typical than you public sector sychophants and I want, I want people can possibly imagine.
I work in IT. Our family firm like everyone else had some good times in the noughties. In 2008 the bottom fell out of the market and employees at my level had to accept 30% pay cuts to help tied us over and keep a reasonable number of people in a job. It was either that or the dole queue.
Since then with hard graft and enormous loyalty from the employees because believe it or not it's a nice firm to work for that does actually care for it's employees we've developed new markets and have developed an exciting new product that is about to hit the market. I have had pay rises since those dark days and last year at long last returned to the same salary level as I was at in 2008, so that's why I say I have not had a pay rise. That's how long it took to get back to where I was. Luckily, thanks to the coalition government inflation has been very subdued and like everyone else globalisation and market changes meant that by shopping around I've been able to keep my own personal inflation to near negligible levels. I'm sure everyone else in this ruddy country has done the same. If not get a grip of your finances and stop expecting wage rises to keep up with inflation. I am very lucky. I work from home so have no transport costs, thanks to improvements in communication I can speak instantly to anyone at the office and enjoy a reasonable standard of living thanks to all the hard work I've put in. Hopefully and it's a big if I will get a pay rise that will take me into Plus territory at long last. I'm not counting my chicken but this year could be a good one with a bit of luck.
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Good luck...but i still think your missing the point...remember there was no money tree for anyone apart from the conservative government to keep them in power and do dodgy deals |
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"OK, lets explain and then maybe you'll be a bit more contrite and less condemning of the firm I work for because they are probably more typical than you public sector sychophants and I want, I want people can possibly imagine.
I work in IT. Our family firm like everyone else had some good times in the noughties. In 2008 the bottom fell out of the market and employees at my level had to accept 30% pay cuts to help tied us over and keep a reasonable number of people in a job. It was either that or the dole queue.
Since then with hard graft and enormous loyalty from the employees because believe it or not it's a nice firm to work for that does actually care for it's employees we've developed new markets and have developed an exciting new product that is about to hit the market. I have had pay rises since those dark days and last year at long last returned to the same salary level as I was at in 2008, so that's why I say I have not had a pay rise. That's how long it took to get back to where I was. Luckily, thanks to the coalition government inflation has been very subdued and like everyone else globalisation and market changes meant that by shopping around I've been able to keep my own personal inflation to near negligible levels. I'm sure everyone else in this ruddy country has done the same. If not get a grip of your finances and stop expecting wage rises to keep up with inflation. I am very lucky. I work from home so have no transport costs, thanks to improvements in communication I can speak instantly to anyone at the office and enjoy a reasonable standard of living thanks to all the hard work I've put in. Hopefully and it's a big if I will get a pay rise that will take me into Plus territory at long last. I'm not counting my chicken but this year could be a good one with a bit of luck.
Good luck...but i still think your missing the point...remember there was no money tree for anyone apart from the conservative government to keep them in power and do dodgy deals "
Oh they all do dodgy deals. It's called politics and if you think Mr Corbyn will be any less snake like then you are severely deluded LOL. Depends which devil you want our glorious leaders to dance with. I for one do not want a leader that dances with Len Mcclusky and his Ilk. No thanks, Corbyn is definitely a worser of 2 weovils. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in deluded, deficit denial LOL. |
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"OK, lets explain and then maybe you'll be a bit more contrite and less condemning of the firm I work for because they are probably more typical than you public sector sychophants and I want, I want people can possibly imagine.
I work in IT. Our family firm like everyone else had some good times in the noughties. In 2008 the bottom fell out of the market and employees at my level had to accept 30% pay cuts to help tied us over and keep a reasonable number of people in a job. It was either that or the dole queue.
Since then with hard graft and enormous loyalty from the employees because believe it or not it's a nice firm to work for that does actually care for it's employees we've developed new markets and have developed an exciting new product that is about to hit the market. I have had pay rises since those dark days and last year at long last returned to the same salary level as I was at in 2008, so that's why I say I have not had a pay rise. That's how long it took to get back to where I was. Luckily, thanks to the coalition government inflation has been very subdued and like everyone else globalisation and market changes meant that by shopping around I've been able to keep my own personal inflation to near negligible levels. I'm sure everyone else in this ruddy country has done the same. If not get a grip of your finances and stop expecting wage rises to keep up with inflation. I am very lucky. I work from home so have no transport costs, thanks to improvements in communication I can speak instantly to anyone at the office and enjoy a reasonable standard of living thanks to all the hard work I've put in. Hopefully and it's a big if I will get a pay rise that will take me into Plus territory at long last. I'm not counting my chicken but this year could be a good one with a bit of luck.
Good luck...but i still think your missing the point...remember there was no money tree for anyone apart from the conservative government to keep them in power and do dodgy deals
Oh they all do dodgy deals. It's called politics and if you think Mr Corbyn will be any less snake like then you are severely deluded LOL. Depends which devil you want our glorious leaders to dance with. I for one do not want a leader that dances with Len Mcclusky and his Ilk. No thanks, Corbyn is definitely a worser of 2 weovils. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in deluded, deficit denial LOL."
I want one that looks after the 95% of the country not just the 5%...i want one that will fund our schools..hospitals and police properly...i want one that will give our younger people the chances we had without the debt...i want one that will pay people properly and not support big businesses by subsidising there wages from tax payers money...i want fairness if you don't fine... i dont wanna be part of the im alright jack sociaity fuck the rest |
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"OK, lets explain and then maybe you'll be a bit more contrite and less condemning of the firm I work for because they are probably more typical than you public sector sychophants and I want, I want people can possibly imagine.
I work in IT. Our family firm like everyone else had some good times in the noughties. In 2008 the bottom fell out of the market and employees at my level had to accept 30% pay cuts to help tied us over and keep a reasonable number of people in a job. It was either that or the dole queue.
Since then with hard graft and enormous loyalty from the employees because believe it or not it's a nice firm to work for that does actually care for it's employees we've developed new markets and have developed an exciting new product that is about to hit the market. I have had pay rises since those dark days and last year at long last returned to the same salary level as I was at in 2008, so that's why I say I have not had a pay rise. That's how long it took to get back to where I was. Luckily, thanks to the coalition government inflation has been very subdued and like everyone else globalisation and market changes meant that by shopping around I've been able to keep my own personal inflation to near negligible levels. I'm sure everyone else in this ruddy country has done the same. If not get a grip of your finances and stop expecting wage rises to keep up with inflation. I am very lucky. I work from home so have no transport costs, thanks to improvements in communication I can speak instantly to anyone at the office and enjoy a reasonable standard of living thanks to all the hard work I've put in. Hopefully and it's a big if I will get a pay rise that will take me into Plus territory at long last. I'm not counting my chicken but this year could be a good one with a bit of luck.
Good luck...but i still think your missing the point...remember there was no money tree for anyone apart from the conservative government to keep them in power and do dodgy deals
Oh they all do dodgy deals. It's called politics and if you think Mr Corbyn will be any less snake like then you are severely deluded LOL. Depends which devil you want our glorious leaders to dance with. I for one do not want a leader that dances with Len Mcclusky and his Ilk. No thanks, Corbyn is definitely a worser of 2 weovils. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in deluded, deficit denial LOL.
I want one that looks after the 95% of the country not just the 5%...i want one that will fund our schools..hospitals and police properly...i want one that will give our younger people the chances we had without the debt...i want one that will pay people properly and not support big businesses by subsidising there wages from tax payers money...i want fairness if you don't fine... i dont wanna be part of the im alright jack sociaity fuck the rest "
You'll get want you want soon enough the tories are upto their necks in shit and sinking.The establishment threw everything at corbyn and they came out looking like selfish cunts and corbyn came out looking like the messiah because he offered hope not hate.They dont get it.The far right here dont get it.
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"OK, lets explain and then maybe you'll be a bit more contrite and less condemning of the firm I work for because they are probably more typical than you public sector sychophants and I want, I want people can possibly imagine.
I work in IT. Our family firm like everyone else had some good times in the noughties. In 2008 the bottom fell out of the market and employees at my level had to accept 30% pay cuts to help tied us over and keep a reasonable number of people in a job. It was either that or the dole queue.
Since then with hard graft and enormous loyalty from the employees because believe it or not it's a nice firm to work for that does actually care for it's employees we've developed new markets and have developed an exciting new product that is about to hit the market. I have had pay rises since those dark days and last year at long last returned to the same salary level as I was at in 2008, so that's why I say I have not had a pay rise. That's how long it took to get back to where I was. Luckily, thanks to the coalition government inflation has been very subdued and like everyone else globalisation and market changes meant that by shopping around I've been able to keep my own personal inflation to near negligible levels. I'm sure everyone else in this ruddy country has done the same. If not get a grip of your finances and stop expecting wage rises to keep up with inflation. I am very lucky. I work from home so have no transport costs, thanks to improvements in communication I can speak instantly to anyone at the office and enjoy a reasonable standard of living thanks to all the hard work I've put in. Hopefully and it's a big if I will get a pay rise that will take me into Plus territory at long last. I'm not counting my chicken but this year could be a good one with a bit of luck.
Good luck...but i still think your missing the point...remember there was no money tree for anyone apart from the conservative government to keep them in power and do dodgy deals
Oh they all do dodgy deals. It's called politics and if you think Mr Corbyn will be any less snake like then you are severely deluded LOL. Depends which devil you want our glorious leaders to dance with. I for one do not want a leader that dances with Len Mcclusky and his Ilk. No thanks, Corbyn is definitely a worser of 2 weovils. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in deluded, deficit denial LOL.
I want one that looks after the 95% of the country not just the 5%...i want one that will fund our schools..hospitals and police properly...i want one that will give our younger people the chances we had without the debt...i want one that will pay people properly and not support big businesses by subsidising there wages from tax payers money...i want fairness if you don't fine... i dont wanna be part of the im alright jack sociaity fuck the rest You'll get want you want soon enough the tories are upto their necks in shit and sinking.The establishment threw everything at corbyn and they came out looking like selfish cunts and corbyn came out looking like the messiah because he offered hope not hate.They dont get it.The far right here dont get it.
It doesn't matter they dont get it .They still cant see it comming. "
Corbyn and Labour just lost the election, you are looking at 5 years in opposition now. 5 years is a long time and Corbyn is no spring chicken, he may well be pushing a zimmer frame the next time a general election comes around. |
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"OK, lets explain and then maybe you'll be a bit more contrite and less condemning of the firm I work for because they are probably more typical than you public sector sychophants and I want, I want people can possibly imagine.
I work in IT. Our family firm like everyone else had some good times in the noughties. In 2008 the bottom fell out of the market and employees at my level had to accept 30% pay cuts to help tied us over and keep a reasonable number of people in a job. It was either that or the dole queue.
Since then with hard graft and enormous loyalty from the employees because believe it or not it's a nice firm to work for that does actually care for it's employees we've developed new markets and have developed an exciting new product that is about to hit the market. I have had pay rises since those dark days and last year at long last returned to the same salary level as I was at in 2008, so that's why I say I have not had a pay rise. That's how long it took to get back to where I was. Luckily, thanks to the coalition government inflation has been very subdued and like everyone else globalisation and market changes meant that by shopping around I've been able to keep my own personal inflation to near negligible levels. I'm sure everyone else in this ruddy country has done the same. If not get a grip of your finances and stop expecting wage rises to keep up with inflation. I am very lucky. I work from home so have no transport costs, thanks to improvements in communication I can speak instantly to anyone at the office and enjoy a reasonable standard of living thanks to all the hard work I've put in. Hopefully and it's a big if I will get a pay rise that will take me into Plus territory at long last. I'm not counting my chicken but this year could be a good one with a bit of luck.
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Well I run an IT company so Im in the same business and while things got tight over the last few years I still wouldnt be happy to see any government in Ireland leave emergency workers, who do a far more difficult job than either of us, worse off while handing out a billion pounds to secure their own jobs as ministers and prime minister.
If theres no money to give malnutrioned children 1 good meal 5 days a week, to pay police, health workers and firemen and women a decent wage then theres no money to buy votes in parliament. |
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"OK, lets explain and then maybe you'll be a bit more contrite and less condemning of the firm I work for because they are probably more typical than you public sector sychophants and I want, I want people can possibly imagine.
I work in IT. Our family firm like everyone else had some good times in the noughties. In 2008 the bottom fell out of the market and employees at my level had to accept 30% pay cuts to help tied us over and keep a reasonable number of people in a job. It was either that or the dole queue.
Since then with hard graft and enormous loyalty from the employees because believe it or not it's a nice firm to work for that does actually care for it's employees we've developed new markets and have developed an exciting new product that is about to hit the market. I have had pay rises since those dark days and last year at long last returned to the same salary level as I was at in 2008, so that's why I say I have not had a pay rise. That's how long it took to get back to where I was. Luckily, thanks to the coalition government inflation has been very subdued and like everyone else globalisation and market changes meant that by shopping around I've been able to keep my own personal inflation to near negligible levels. I'm sure everyone else in this ruddy country has done the same. If not get a grip of your finances and stop expecting wage rises to keep up with inflation. I am very lucky. I work from home so have no transport costs, thanks to improvements in communication I can speak instantly to anyone at the office and enjoy a reasonable standard of living thanks to all the hard work I've put in. Hopefully and it's a big if I will get a pay rise that will take me into Plus territory at long last. I'm not counting my chicken but this year could be a good one with a bit of luck.
Well I run an IT company so Im in the same business and while things got tight over the last few years I still wouldnt be happy to see any government in Ireland leave emergency workers, who do a far more difficult job than either of us, worse off while handing out a billion pounds to secure their own jobs as ministers and prime minister.
If theres no money to give malnutrioned children 1 good meal 5 days a week, to pay police, health workers and firemen and women a decent wage then theres no money to buy votes in parliament."
School children were still going to get 1 free meal each day at school under the tory manifesto plans. All they were going to do was swap free lunch for free breakfast instead. Labour supporters were calling for an end to austerity, now Northern Ireland is getting 1 billion extra pumped into its NHS, and infrastructure through this deal, Labour supporters are still moaning, do you want austerity to continue in Northern Ireland? You really need to make your minds up. |
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"OK, lets explain and then maybe you'll be a bit more contrite and less condemning of the firm I work for because they are probably more typical than you public sector sychophants and I want, I want people can possibly imagine.
I work in IT. Our family firm like everyone else had some good times in the noughties. In 2008 the bottom fell out of the market and employees at my level had to accept 30% pay cuts to help tied us over and keep a reasonable number of people in a job. It was either that or the dole queue.
Since then with hard graft and enormous loyalty from the employees because believe it or not it's a nice firm to work for that does actually care for it's employees we've developed new markets and have developed an exciting new product that is about to hit the market. I have had pay rises since those dark days and last year at long last returned to the same salary level as I was at in 2008, so that's why I say I have not had a pay rise. That's how long it took to get back to where I was. Luckily, thanks to the coalition government inflation has been very subdued and like everyone else globalisation and market changes meant that by shopping around I've been able to keep my own personal inflation to near negligible levels. I'm sure everyone else in this ruddy country has done the same. If not get a grip of your finances and stop expecting wage rises to keep up with inflation. I am very lucky. I work from home so have no transport costs, thanks to improvements in communication I can speak instantly to anyone at the office and enjoy a reasonable standard of living thanks to all the hard work I've put in. Hopefully and it's a big if I will get a pay rise that will take me into Plus territory at long last. I'm not counting my chicken but this year could be a good one with a bit of luck.
Good luck...but i still think your missing the point...remember there was no money tree for anyone apart from the conservative government to keep them in power and do dodgy deals
Oh they all do dodgy deals. It's called politics and if you think Mr Corbyn will be any less snake like then you are severely deluded LOL. Depends which devil you want our glorious leaders to dance with. I for one do not want a leader that dances with Len Mcclusky and his Ilk. No thanks, Corbyn is definitely a worser of 2 weovils. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in deluded, deficit denial LOL.
I want one that looks after the 95% of the country not just the 5%...i want one that will fund our schools..hospitals and police properly...i want one that will give our younger people the chances we had without the debt...i want one that will pay people properly and not support big businesses by subsidising there wages from tax payers money...i want fairness if you don't fine... i dont wanna be part of the im alright jack sociaity fuck the rest You'll get want you want soon enough the tories are upto their necks in shit and sinking.The establishment threw everything at corbyn and they came out looking like selfish cunts and corbyn came out looking like the messiah because he offered hope not hate.They dont get it.The far right here dont get it.
It doesn't matter they dont get it .They still cant see it comming.
Corbyn and Labour just lost the election, you are looking at 5 years in opposition now. 5 years is a long time and Corbyn is no spring chicken, he may well be pushing a zimmer frame the next time a general election comes around. "
Even you know what you wrote is bullshit. .May is a corpse .Her own party knows shes a toxic shit fountain of hate.Corbyn is ascendant. . |
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"OK, lets explain and then maybe you'll be a bit more contrite and less condemning of the firm I work for because they are probably more typical than you public sector sychophants and I want, I want people can possibly imagine.
I work in IT. Our family firm like everyone else had some good times in the noughties. In 2008 the bottom fell out of the market and employees at my level had to accept 30% pay cuts to help tied us over and keep a reasonable number of people in a job. It was either that or the dole queue.
Since then with hard graft and enormous loyalty from the employees because believe it or not it's a nice firm to work for that does actually care for it's employees we've developed new markets and have developed an exciting new product that is about to hit the market. I have had pay rises since those dark days and last year at long last returned to the same salary level as I was at in 2008, so that's why I say I have not had a pay rise. That's how long it took to get back to where I was. Luckily, thanks to the coalition government inflation has been very subdued and like everyone else globalisation and market changes meant that by shopping around I've been able to keep my own personal inflation to near negligible levels. I'm sure everyone else in this ruddy country has done the same. If not get a grip of your finances and stop expecting wage rises to keep up with inflation. I am very lucky. I work from home so have no transport costs, thanks to improvements in communication I can speak instantly to anyone at the office and enjoy a reasonable standard of living thanks to all the hard work I've put in. Hopefully and it's a big if I will get a pay rise that will take me into Plus territory at long last. I'm not counting my chicken but this year could be a good one with a bit of luck.
Well I run an IT company so Im in the same business and while things got tight over the last few years I still wouldnt be happy to see any government in Ireland leave emergency workers, who do a far more difficult job than either of us, worse off while handing out a billion pounds to secure their own jobs as ministers and prime minister.
If theres no money to give malnutrioned children 1 good meal 5 days a week, to pay police, health workers and firemen and women a decent wage then theres no money to buy votes in parliament.
School children were still going to get 1 free meal each day at school under the tory manifesto plans. All they were going to do was swap free lunch for free breakfast instead. Labour supporters were calling for an end to austerity, now Northern Ireland is getting 1 billion extra pumped into its NHS, and infrastructure through this deal, Labour supporters are still moaning, do you want austerity to continue in Northern Ireland? You really need to make your minds up. "
Were do you make this up from....there not putting a billion pounds into the NHS...this is just like your 350m for the uk NHS...and a breakfast do you know what the breakfast was costed out for the children...id guess you dont |
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"OK, lets explain and then maybe you'll be a bit more contrite and less condemning of the firm I work for because they are probably more typical than you public sector sychophants and I want, I want people can possibly imagine.
I work in IT. Our family firm like everyone else had some good times in the noughties. In 2008 the bottom fell out of the market and employees at my level had to accept 30% pay cuts to help tied us over and keep a reasonable number of people in a job. It was either that or the dole queue.
Since then with hard graft and enormous loyalty from the employees because believe it or not it's a nice firm to work for that does actually care for it's employees we've developed new markets and have developed an exciting new product that is about to hit the market. I have had pay rises since those dark days and last year at long last returned to the same salary level as I was at in 2008, so that's why I say I have not had a pay rise. That's how long it took to get back to where I was. Luckily, thanks to the coalition government inflation has been very subdued and like everyone else globalisation and market changes meant that by shopping around I've been able to keep my own personal inflation to near negligible levels. I'm sure everyone else in this ruddy country has done the same. If not get a grip of your finances and stop expecting wage rises to keep up with inflation. I am very lucky. I work from home so have no transport costs, thanks to improvements in communication I can speak instantly to anyone at the office and enjoy a reasonable standard of living thanks to all the hard work I've put in. Hopefully and it's a big if I will get a pay rise that will take me into Plus territory at long last. I'm not counting my chicken but this year could be a good one with a bit of luck.
Good luck...but i still think your missing the point...remember there was no money tree for anyone apart from the conservative government to keep them in power and do dodgy deals
Oh they all do dodgy deals. It's called politics and if you think Mr Corbyn will be any less snake like then you are severely deluded LOL. Depends which devil you want our glorious leaders to dance with. I for one do not want a leader that dances with Len Mcclusky and his Ilk. No thanks, Corbyn is definitely a worser of 2 weovils. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in deluded, deficit denial LOL.
I want one that looks after the 95% of the country not just the 5%...i want one that will fund our schools..hospitals and police properly...i want one that will give our younger people the chances we had without the debt...i want one that will pay people properly and not support big businesses by subsidising there wages from tax payers money...i want fairness if you don't fine... i dont wanna be part of the im alright jack sociaity fuck the rest You'll get want you want soon enough the tories are upto their necks in shit and sinking.The establishment threw everything at corbyn and they came out looking like selfish cunts and corbyn came out looking like the messiah because he offered hope not hate.They dont get it.The far right here dont get it.
It doesn't matter they dont get it .They still cant see it comming.
Corbyn and Labour just lost the election, you are looking at 5 years in opposition now. 5 years is a long time and Corbyn is no spring chicken, he may well be pushing a zimmer frame the next time a general election comes around. Even you know what you wrote is bullshit. .May is a corpse .Her own party knows shes a toxic shit fountain of hate.Corbyn is ascendant. ."
The only ascending Corbyn is going to be doing for the next 5 years is from his seat upto the despatch box on the opposition benches. |
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"OK, lets explain and then maybe you'll be a bit more contrite and less condemning of the firm I work for because they are probably more typical than you public sector sychophants and I want, I want people can possibly imagine.
I work in IT. Our family firm like everyone else had some good times in the noughties. In 2008 the bottom fell out of the market and employees at my level had to accept 30% pay cuts to help tied us over and keep a reasonable number of people in a job. It was either that or the dole queue.
Since then with hard graft and enormous loyalty from the employees because believe it or not it's a nice firm to work for that does actually care for it's employees we've developed new markets and have developed an exciting new product that is about to hit the market. I have had pay rises since those dark days and last year at long last returned to the same salary level as I was at in 2008, so that's why I say I have not had a pay rise. That's how long it took to get back to where I was. Luckily, thanks to the coalition government inflation has been very subdued and like everyone else globalisation and market changes meant that by shopping around I've been able to keep my own personal inflation to near negligible levels. I'm sure everyone else in this ruddy country has done the same. If not get a grip of your finances and stop expecting wage rises to keep up with inflation. I am very lucky. I work from home so have no transport costs, thanks to improvements in communication I can speak instantly to anyone at the office and enjoy a reasonable standard of living thanks to all the hard work I've put in. Hopefully and it's a big if I will get a pay rise that will take me into Plus territory at long last. I'm not counting my chicken but this year could be a good one with a bit of luck.
Good luck...but i still think your missing the point...remember there was no money tree for anyone apart from the conservative government to keep them in power and do dodgy deals
Oh they all do dodgy deals. It's called politics and if you think Mr Corbyn will be any less snake like then you are severely deluded LOL. Depends which devil you want our glorious leaders to dance with. I for one do not want a leader that dances with Len Mcclusky and his Ilk. No thanks, Corbyn is definitely a worser of 2 weovils. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in deluded, deficit denial LOL.
I want one that looks after the 95% of the country not just the 5%...i want one that will fund our schools..hospitals and police properly...i want one that will give our younger people the chances we had without the debt...i want one that will pay people properly and not support big businesses by subsidising there wages from tax payers money...i want fairness if you don't fine... i dont wanna be part of the im alright jack sociaity fuck the rest "
I want one that looks after 100% of the country not just 95%...i want one that will ensure the funds our available to adequately support schools..hospitals and police properly...i want one that will give as many younger people as possible the chances we never had when we were younger...i want one that will employ people fairly and when necessary, to provide the services we need but not use small businesses and tax payers money, many of whom earn a lot less than the average public employee, to subsidize people earning more than them... i want fairness if you don't fine... i don't wanna be part of the I'm alright jack, I work in the public sector, so fuck the rest. |
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"OK, lets explain and then maybe you'll be a bit more contrite and less condemning of the firm I work for because they are probably more typical than you public sector sychophants and I want, I want people can possibly imagine.
I work in IT. Our family firm like everyone else had some good times in the noughties. In 2008 the bottom fell out of the market and employees at my level had to accept 30% pay cuts to help tied us over and keep a reasonable number of people in a job. It was either that or the dole queue.
Since then with hard graft and enormous loyalty from the employees because believe it or not it's a nice firm to work for that does actually care for it's employees we've developed new markets and have developed an exciting new product that is about to hit the market. I have had pay rises since those dark days and last year at long last returned to the same salary level as I was at in 2008, so that's why I say I have not had a pay rise. That's how long it took to get back to where I was. Luckily, thanks to the coalition government inflation has been very subdued and like everyone else globalisation and market changes meant that by shopping around I've been able to keep my own personal inflation to near negligible levels. I'm sure everyone else in this ruddy country has done the same. If not get a grip of your finances and stop expecting wage rises to keep up with inflation. I am very lucky. I work from home so have no transport costs, thanks to improvements in communication I can speak instantly to anyone at the office and enjoy a reasonable standard of living thanks to all the hard work I've put in. Hopefully and it's a big if I will get a pay rise that will take me into Plus territory at long last. I'm not counting my chicken but this year could be a good one with a bit of luck.
Well I run an IT company so Im in the same business and while things got tight over the last few years I still wouldnt be happy to see any government in Ireland leave emergency workers, who do a far more difficult job than either of us, worse off while handing out a billion pounds to secure their own jobs as ministers and prime minister.
If theres no money to give malnutrioned children 1 good meal 5 days a week, to pay police, health workers and firemen and women a decent wage then theres no money to buy votes in parliament."
You always put it so much better than so many of the others on here. I can actually agree with all of that. |
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School children were still going to get 1 free meal each day at school under the tory manifesto plans. All they were going to do was swap free lunch for free breakfast instead. Labour supporters were calling for an end to austerity, now Northern Ireland is getting 1 billion extra pumped into its NHS, and infrastructure through this deal, Labour supporters are still moaning, do you want austerity to continue in Northern Ireland? You really need to make your minds up. "
..... and ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the "centaur doesn't have a clue (Thursday edition)"
The point is they don't want austerity to continue ANYWHERE.....
The way the money would have normally given would have been via the Barnett formula... which would have meant the extra money for Northern Ireland would have meant extra money for Scotland and extra money for wales!
The circumvented the normal way of this happening....
I would like to think that the NHS in Scotland and the NHS in wales are as important to you as your new found interest in the NHS in Northern Ireland.... but I am guessing probably not the case and you are in favour of the deal for self interest |
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"OK, lets explain and then maybe you'll be a bit more contrite and less condemning of the firm I work for because they are probably more typical than you public sector sychophants and I want, I want people can possibly imagine.
I work in IT. Our family firm like everyone else had some good times in the noughties. In 2008 the bottom fell out of the market and employees at my level had to accept 30% pay cuts to help tied us over and keep a reasonable number of people in a job. It was either that or the dole queue.
Since then with hard graft and enormous loyalty from the employees because believe it or not it's a nice firm to work for that does actually care for it's employees we've developed new markets and have developed an exciting new product that is about to hit the market. I have had pay rises since those dark days and last year at long last returned to the same salary level as I was at in 2008, so that's why I say I have not had a pay rise. That's how long it took to get back to where I was. Luckily, thanks to the coalition government inflation has been very subdued and like everyone else globalisation and market changes meant that by shopping around I've been able to keep my own personal inflation to near negligible levels. I'm sure everyone else in this ruddy country has done the same. If not get a grip of your finances and stop expecting wage rises to keep up with inflation. I am very lucky. I work from home so have no transport costs, thanks to improvements in communication I can speak instantly to anyone at the office and enjoy a reasonable standard of living thanks to all the hard work I've put in. Hopefully and it's a big if I will get a pay rise that will take me into Plus territory at long last. I'm not counting my chicken but this year could be a good one with a bit of luck.
Well I run an IT company so Im in the same business and while things got tight over the last few years I still wouldnt be happy to see any government in Ireland leave emergency workers, who do a far more difficult job than either of us, worse off while handing out a billion pounds to secure their own jobs as ministers and prime minister.
If theres no money to give malnutrioned children 1 good meal 5 days a week, to pay police, health workers and firemen and women a decent wage then theres no money to buy votes in parliament.
School children were still going to get 1 free meal each day at school under the tory manifesto plans. All they were going to do was swap free lunch for free breakfast instead. Labour supporters were calling for an end to austerity, now Northern Ireland is getting 1 billion extra pumped into its NHS, and infrastructure through this deal, Labour supporters are still moaning, do you want austerity to continue in Northern Ireland? You really need to make your minds up.
Were do you make this up from....there not putting a billion pounds into the NHS...this is just like your 350m for the uk NHS...and a breakfast do you know what the breakfast was costed out for the children...id guess you dont "
Not made up, as it was published in the details of the fully transparent deal between the Conservatives and the DUP. If you had actually bothered to read it you would already know the following....
£400 million for infrastructure projects like roads and bridges, etc in Northern Ireland.
£150 million to install super fast high speed broadband in Northern Ireland.
£300 Million on health and the NHS in Northern Ireland.
£100 million to be spent on deprived communities in Northern Ireland.
£50 million for Education in Northern Ireland.
Total = £1 billion.
As for the breakfast being swapped for lunch at schools, breakfast is the most important meal of the day, it doesn't matter how much it costs, kids should not be skipping breakfast in the morning.
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"OK, lets explain and then maybe you'll be a bit more contrite and less condemning of the firm I work for because they are probably more typical than you public sector sychophants and I want, I want people can possibly imagine.
I work in IT. Our family firm like everyone else had some good times in the noughties. In 2008 the bottom fell out of the market and employees at my level had to accept 30% pay cuts to help tied us over and keep a reasonable number of people in a job. It was either that or the dole queue.
Since then with hard graft and enormous loyalty from the employees because believe it or not it's a nice firm to work for that does actually care for it's employees we've developed new markets and have developed an exciting new product that is about to hit the market. I have had pay rises since those dark days and last year at long last returned to the same salary level as I was at in 2008, so that's why I say I have not had a pay rise. That's how long it took to get back to where I was. Luckily, thanks to the coalition government inflation has been very subdued and like everyone else globalisation and market changes meant that by shopping around I've been able to keep my own personal inflation to near negligible levels. I'm sure everyone else in this ruddy country has done the same. If not get a grip of your finances and stop expecting wage rises to keep up with inflation. I am very lucky. I work from home so have no transport costs, thanks to improvements in communication I can speak instantly to anyone at the office and enjoy a reasonable standard of living thanks to all the hard work I've put in. Hopefully and it's a big if I will get a pay rise that will take me into Plus territory at long last. I'm not counting my chicken but this year could be a good one with a bit of luck.
Well I run an IT company so Im in the same business and while things got tight over the last few years I still wouldnt be happy to see any government in Ireland leave emergency workers, who do a far more difficult job than either of us, worse off while handing out a billion pounds to secure their own jobs as ministers and prime minister.
If theres no money to give malnutrioned children 1 good meal 5 days a week, to pay police, health workers and firemen and women a decent wage then theres no money to buy votes in parliament.
You always put it so much better than so many of the others on here. I can actually agree with all of that."
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"OK, lets explain and then maybe you'll be a bit more contrite and less condemning of the firm I work for because they are probably more typical than you public sector sychophants and I want, I want people can possibly imagine.
I work in IT. Our family firm like everyone else had some good times in the noughties. In 2008 the bottom fell out of the market and employees at my level had to accept 30% pay cuts to help tied us over and keep a reasonable number of people in a job. It was either that or the dole queue.
Since then with hard graft and enormous loyalty from the employees because believe it or not it's a nice firm to work for that does actually care for it's employees we've developed new markets and have developed an exciting new product that is about to hit the market. I have had pay rises since those dark days and last year at long last returned to the same salary level as I was at in 2008, so that's why I say I have not had a pay rise. That's how long it took to get back to where I was. Luckily, thanks to the coalition government inflation has been very subdued and like everyone else globalisation and market changes meant that by shopping around I've been able to keep my own personal inflation to near negligible levels. I'm sure everyone else in this ruddy country has done the same. If not get a grip of your finances and stop expecting wage rises to keep up with inflation. I am very lucky. I work from home so have no transport costs, thanks to improvements in communication I can speak instantly to anyone at the office and enjoy a reasonable standard of living thanks to all the hard work I've put in. Hopefully and it's a big if I will get a pay rise that will take me into Plus territory at long last. I'm not counting my chicken but this year could be a good one with a bit of luck.
Well I run an IT company so Im in the same business and while things got tight over the last few years I still wouldnt be happy to see any government in Ireland leave emergency workers, who do a far more difficult job than either of us, worse off while handing out a billion pounds to secure their own jobs as ministers and prime minister.
If theres no money to give malnutrioned children 1 good meal 5 days a week, to pay police, health workers and firemen and women a decent wage then theres no money to buy votes in parliament.
School children were still going to get 1 free meal each day at school under the tory manifesto plans. All they were going to do was swap free lunch for free breakfast instead. Labour supporters were calling for an end to austerity, now Northern Ireland is getting 1 billion extra pumped into its NHS, and infrastructure through this deal, Labour supporters are still moaning, do you want austerity to continue in Northern Ireland? You really need to make your minds up.
Were do you make this up from....there not putting a billion pounds into the NHS...this is just like your 350m for the uk NHS...and a breakfast do you know what the breakfast was costed out for the children...id guess you dont
Not made up, as it was published in the details of the fully transparent deal between the Conservatives and the DUP. If you had actually bothered to read it you would already know the following....
£400 million for infrastructure projects like roads and bridges, etc in Northern Ireland.
£150 million to install super fast high speed broadband in Northern Ireland.
£300 Million on health and the NHS in Northern Ireland.
£100 million to be spent on deprived communities in Northern Ireland.
£50 million for Education in Northern Ireland.
Total = £1 billion.
As for the breakfast being swapped for lunch at schools, breakfast is the most important meal of the day, it doesn't matter how much it costs, kids should not be skipping breakfast in the morning.
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School children were still going to get 1 free meal each day at school under the tory manifesto plans. All they were going to do was swap free lunch for free breakfast instead. Labour supporters were calling for an end to austerity, now Northern Ireland is getting 1 billion extra pumped into its NHS, and infrastructure through this deal, Labour supporters are still moaning, do you want austerity to continue in Northern Ireland? You really need to make your minds up.
..... and ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the "centaur doesn't have a clue (Thursday edition)"
The point is they don't want austerity to continue ANYWHERE.....
The way the money would have normally given would have been via the Barnett formula... which would have meant the extra money for Northern Ireland would have meant extra money for Scotland and extra money for wales!
The circumvented the normal way of this happening....
I would like to think that the NHS in Scotland and the NHS in wales are as important to you as your new found interest in the NHS in Northern Ireland.... but I am guessing probably not the case and you are in favour of the deal for self interest "
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"OK, lets explain and then maybe you'll be a bit more contrite and less condemning of the firm I work for because they are probably more typical than you public sector sychophants and I want, I want people can possibly imagine.
I work in IT. Our family firm like everyone else had some good times in the noughties. In 2008 the bottom fell out of the market and employees at my level had to accept 30% pay cuts to help tied us over and keep a reasonable number of people in a job. It was either that or the dole queue.
Since then with hard graft and enormous loyalty from the employees because believe it or not it's a nice firm to work for that does actually care for it's employees we've developed new markets and have developed an exciting new product that is about to hit the market. I have had pay rises since those dark days and last year at long last returned to the same salary level as I was at in 2008, so that's why I say I have not had a pay rise. That's how long it took to get back to where I was. Luckily, thanks to the coalition government inflation has been very subdued and like everyone else globalisation and market changes meant that by shopping around I've been able to keep my own personal inflation to near negligible levels. I'm sure everyone else in this ruddy country has done the same. If not get a grip of your finances and stop expecting wage rises to keep up with inflation. I am very lucky. I work from home so have no transport costs, thanks to improvements in communication I can speak instantly to anyone at the office and enjoy a reasonable standard of living thanks to all the hard work I've put in. Hopefully and it's a big if I will get a pay rise that will take me into Plus territory at long last. I'm not counting my chicken but this year could be a good one with a bit of luck.
Good luck...but i still think your missing the point...remember there was no money tree for anyone apart from the conservative government to keep them in power and do dodgy deals
Oh they all do dodgy deals. It's called politics and if you think Mr Corbyn will be any less snake like then you are severely deluded LOL. Depends which devil you want our glorious leaders to dance with. I for one do not want a leader that dances with Len Mcclusky and his Ilk. No thanks, Corbyn is definitely a worser of 2 weovils. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in deluded, deficit denial LOL.
I want one that looks after the 95% of the country not just the 5%...i want one that will fund our schools..hospitals and police properly...i want one that will give our younger people the chances we had without the debt...i want one that will pay people properly and not support big businesses by subsidising there wages from tax payers money...i want fairness if you don't fine... i dont wanna be part of the im alright jack sociaity fuck the rest You'll get want you want soon enough the tories are upto their necks in shit and sinking.The establishment threw everything at corbyn and they came out looking like selfish cunts and corbyn came out looking like the messiah because he offered hope not hate.They dont get it.The far right here dont get it.
It doesn't matter they dont get it .They still cant see it comming.
Corbyn and Labour just lost the election, you are looking at 5 years in opposition now. 5 years is a long time and Corbyn is no spring chicken, he may well be pushing a zimmer frame the next time a general election comes around. Even you know what you wrote is bullshit. .May is a corpse .Her own party knows shes a toxic shit fountain of hate.Corbyn is ascendant. ."
I really won't count your chickens yet. Corbyn may be ascendant and May may be damaged but Labour still has a long way to go to win a General Election. It also can't rely on tactical Conservative and LibDem Remainers to back it next time in the South East if it doesn't have a much clearer pro policy on the Single Market and Customs Union.
Add to that the fact that the more ascendant and credible Corbyn and Labour look the more likely the Conservatives are to put their BREXIT differences aside to ensure he doesn't get the keys to number 10. Labour's best weapon was not Jeremy Corbyn but actually everybody's under estimation of his campaign abilities. The Conservatives won't make that same mistake again in a hurry. |
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School children were still going to get 1 free meal each day at school under the tory manifesto plans. All they were going to do was swap free lunch for free breakfast instead. Labour supporters were calling for an end to austerity, now Northern Ireland is getting 1 billion extra pumped into its NHS, and infrastructure through this deal, Labour supporters are still moaning, do you want austerity to continue in Northern Ireland? You really need to make your minds up.
..... and ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the "centaur doesn't have a clue (Thursday edition)"
The point is they don't want austerity to continue ANYWHERE.....
The way the money would have normally given would have been via the Barnett formula... which would have meant the extra money for Northern Ireland would have meant extra money for Scotland and extra money for wales!
The circumvented the normal way of this happening....
I would like to think that the NHS in Scotland and the NHS in wales are as important to you as your new found interest in the NHS in Northern Ireland.... but I am guessing probably not the case and you are in favour of the deal for self interest
.....and ladies and gentlemen welcome to the "Fabio doesn't have a clue (Thursday edition).
Many places in Scotland, England and Wales are getting hundreds of millions of pounds extra outside of the Barnet formula in city deals. "
Here you go Einstein...are you saying your happy with this
The party’s manifesto, released last week, proposes scrapping universal infant free school meals – which cost an estimated £600m each year – in favour of free breakfasts for all primary school pupils, at an estimated cost of just £60m per year.
But critics have calculated that if the country’s 4.62 million primary school children attending state schools were to be fed a free breakfast on this budget, each meal could cost no more than 6.8p.
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"OK, lets explain and then maybe you'll be a bit more contrite and less condemning of the firm I work for because they are probably more typical than you public sector sychophants and I want, I want people can possibly imagine.
I work in IT. Our family firm like everyone else had some good times in the noughties. In 2008 the bottom fell out of the market and employees at my level had to accept 30% pay cuts to help tied us over and keep a reasonable number of people in a job. It was either that or the dole queue.
Since then with hard graft and enormous loyalty from the employees because believe it or not it's a nice firm to work for that does actually care for it's employees we've developed new markets and have developed an exciting new product that is about to hit the market. I have had pay rises since those dark days and last year at long last returned to the same salary level as I was at in 2008, so that's why I say I have not had a pay rise. That's how long it took to get back to where I was. Luckily, thanks to the coalition government inflation has been very subdued and like everyone else globalisation and market changes meant that by shopping around I've been able to keep my own personal inflation to near negligible levels. I'm sure everyone else in this ruddy country has done the same. If not get a grip of your finances and stop expecting wage rises to keep up with inflation. I am very lucky. I work from home so have no transport costs, thanks to improvements in communication I can speak instantly to anyone at the office and enjoy a reasonable standard of living thanks to all the hard work I've put in. Hopefully and it's a big if I will get a pay rise that will take me into Plus territory at long last. I'm not counting my chicken but this year could be a good one with a bit of luck.
Well I run an IT company so Im in the same business and while things got tight over the last few years I still wouldnt be happy to see any government in Ireland leave emergency workers, who do a far more difficult job than either of us, worse off while handing out a billion pounds to secure their own jobs as ministers and prime minister.
If theres no money to give malnutrioned children 1 good meal 5 days a week, to pay police, health workers and firemen and women a decent wage then theres no money to buy votes in parliament.
School children were still going to get 1 free meal each day at school under the tory manifesto plans. All they were going to do was swap free lunch for free breakfast instead. Labour supporters were calling for an end to austerity, now Northern Ireland is getting 1 billion extra pumped into its NHS, and infrastructure through this deal, Labour supporters are still moaning, do you want austerity to continue in Northern Ireland? You really need to make your minds up.
Were do you make this up from....there not putting a billion pounds into the NHS...this is just like your 350m for the uk NHS...and a breakfast do you know what the breakfast was costed out for the children...id guess you dont "
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"OK, lets explain and then maybe you'll be a bit more contrite and less condemning of the firm I work for because they are probably more typical than you public sector sychophants and I want, I want people can possibly imagine.
I work in IT. Our family firm like everyone else had some good times in the noughties. In 2008 the bottom fell out of the market and employees at my level had to accept 30% pay cuts to help tied us over and keep a reasonable number of people in a job. It was either that or the dole queue.
Since then with hard graft and enormous loyalty from the employees because believe it or not it's a nice firm to work for that does actually care for it's employees we've developed new markets and have developed an exciting new product that is about to hit the market. I have had pay rises since those dark days and last year at long last returned to the same salary level as I was at in 2008, so that's why I say I have not had a pay rise. That's how long it took to get back to where I was. Luckily, thanks to the coalition government inflation has been very subdued and like everyone else globalisation and market changes meant that by shopping around I've been able to keep my own personal inflation to near negligible levels. I'm sure everyone else in this ruddy country has done the same. If not get a grip of your finances and stop expecting wage rises to keep up with inflation. I am very lucky. I work from home so have no transport costs, thanks to improvements in communication I can speak instantly to anyone at the office and enjoy a reasonable standard of living thanks to all the hard work I've put in. Hopefully and it's a big if I will get a pay rise that will take me into Plus territory at long last. I'm not counting my chicken but this year could be a good one with a bit of luck.
Good luck...but i still think your missing the point...remember there was no money tree for anyone apart from the conservative government to keep them in power and do dodgy deals
Oh they all do dodgy deals. It's called politics and if you think Mr Corbyn will be any less snake like then you are severely deluded LOL. Depends which devil you want our glorious leaders to dance with. I for one do not want a leader that dances with Len Mcclusky and his Ilk. No thanks, Corbyn is definitely a worser of 2 weovils. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in deluded, deficit denial LOL.
I want one that looks after the 95% of the country not just the 5%...i want one that will fund our schools..hospitals and police properly...i want one that will give our younger people the chances we had without the debt...i want one that will pay people properly and not support big businesses by subsidising there wages from tax payers money...i want fairness if you don't fine... i dont wanna be part of the im alright jack sociaity fuck the rest You'll get want you want soon enough the tories are upto their necks in shit and sinking.The establishment threw everything at corbyn and they came out looking like selfish cunts and corbyn came out looking like the messiah because he offered hope not hate.They dont get it.The far right here dont get it.
It doesn't matter they dont get it .They still cant see it comming.
Corbyn and Labour just lost the election, you are looking at 5 years in opposition now. 5 years is a long time and Corbyn is no spring chicken, he may well be pushing a zimmer frame the next time a general election comes around. Even you know what you wrote is bullshit. .May is a corpse .Her own party knows shes a toxic shit fountain of hate.Corbyn is ascendant. .
I really won't count your chickens yet. Corbyn may be ascendant and May may be damaged but Labour still has a long way to go to win a General Election. It also can't rely on tactical Conservative and LibDem Remainers to back it next time in the South East if it doesn't have a much clearer pro policy on the Single Market and Customs Union.
Add to that the fact that the more ascendant and credible Corbyn and Labour look the more likely the Conservatives are to put their BREXIT differences aside to ensure he doesn't get the keys to number 10. Labour's best weapon was not Jeremy Corbyn but actually everybody's under estimation of his campaign abilities. The Conservatives won't make that same mistake again in a hurry. "
The lib dems will do better next time under new leadership and they will steal tory seats without a doubt.The tories will make the same mistake they always make .Taking the electorate for granted. The momentum is with corbyn.I hope TM stays as long as she can, shes the best advert for voting labour ive ever seen.Hopefully shell be replaced by a chinless old etonian who was born to rule.Then their destruction will be complete.  |
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School children were still going to get 1 free meal each day at school under the tory manifesto plans. All they were going to do was swap free lunch for free breakfast instead. Labour supporters were calling for an end to austerity, now Northern Ireland is getting 1 billion extra pumped into its NHS, and infrastructure through this deal, Labour supporters are still moaning, do you want austerity to continue in Northern Ireland? You really need to make your minds up.
..... and ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the "centaur doesn't have a clue (Thursday edition)"
The point is they don't want austerity to continue ANYWHERE.....
The way the money would have normally given would have been via the Barnett formula... which would have meant the extra money for Northern Ireland would have meant extra money for Scotland and extra money for wales!
The circumvented the normal way of this happening....
I would like to think that the NHS in Scotland and the NHS in wales are as important to you as your new found interest in the NHS in Northern Ireland.... but I am guessing probably not the case and you are in favour of the deal for self interest
.....and ladies and gentlemen welcome to the "Fabio doesn't have a clue (Thursday edition).
Many places in Scotland, England and Wales are getting hundreds of millions of pounds extra outside of the Barnet formula in city deals. "
Ffs...... really!
Let... me... explain... this.... to..... you.... slowly
NHS money is not included in any city deal money
Education money is not included in any city deal money.....
Broadband money to improve services in both wales and Scotland came out of their block grant via the Barnett formula... no special money was provided
General infrastructure money is not included in any city deal money.... it must be for specific named projects, and it can only be spent on that project
Crossrail for example
The Olympic park being another
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"OK, lets explain and then maybe you'll be a bit more contrite and less condemning of the firm I work for because they are probably more typical than you public sector sychophants and I want, I want people can possibly imagine.
I work in IT. Our family firm like everyone else had some good times in the noughties. In 2008 the bottom fell out of the market and employees at my level had to accept 30% pay cuts to help tied us over and keep a reasonable number of people in a job. It was either that or the dole queue.
Since then with hard graft and enormous loyalty from the employees because believe it or not it's a nice firm to work for that does actually care for it's employees we've developed new markets and have developed an exciting new product that is about to hit the market. I have had pay rises since those dark days and last year at long last returned to the same salary level as I was at in 2008, so that's why I say I have not had a pay rise. That's how long it took to get back to where I was. Luckily, thanks to the coalition government inflation has been very subdued and like everyone else globalisation and market changes meant that by shopping around I've been able to keep my own personal inflation to near negligible levels. I'm sure everyone else in this ruddy country has done the same. If not get a grip of your finances and stop expecting wage rises to keep up with inflation. I am very lucky. I work from home so have no transport costs, thanks to improvements in communication I can speak instantly to anyone at the office and enjoy a reasonable standard of living thanks to all the hard work I've put in. Hopefully and it's a big if I will get a pay rise that will take me into Plus territory at long last. I'm not counting my chicken but this year could be a good one with a bit of luck.
Well I run an IT company so Im in the same business and while things got tight over the last few years I still wouldnt be happy to see any government in Ireland leave emergency workers, who do a far more difficult job than either of us, worse off while handing out a billion pounds to secure their own jobs as ministers and prime minister.
If theres no money to give malnutrioned children 1 good meal 5 days a week, to pay police, health workers and firemen and women a decent wage then theres no money to buy votes in parliament.
You always put it so much better than so many of the others on here. I can actually agree with all of that.
You agree with it even though what he wrote was false. "
Whilst I agreed with austerity in 2010 and, for the same reasons as then, am not necessarily opposed to some now, I agree with him that giving a £1 billion bung to N. Ireland to buy their votes is wrong. |
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".....and ladies and gentlemen welcome to the "Fabio doesn't have a clue (Thursday edition).
Many places in Scotland, England and Wales are getting hundreds of millions of pounds extra outside of the Barnet formula in city deals. "
And here boys and girls is the latest version of Centaur's defend grubby little Tory deals regardless of their cost.
Of course this is not the first time Tories have done a grubby deal with Irish Protestants in order to remain in power in Westminster. I wonder if Centaur knows when the last one was done and what the consequences were?
Hint Centaur... You will need to look about 100 years ago...
Second hint... "Soldiers are we, whose lives are pledged to..."
Third hint... Have you wondered why not a single tory MP has attempted to us the 'you talked to Shin Fein' argument to justify their deal with the DUP? It's because it is TOXIC FOR TORIES! |
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Oh yes and What deals would Jeremy have done if he could have got somewhere near with a majority. It's what politicians get paid for. I'm sure it would have been. I can imagine the calls "Hi Nicola what date in your diary would you like for your second referendum" and to Plaid Cymru, would you like a New road over the Severn bridge coz 2 isn't enough for you.
Or if it was the Greens, we're going to build a 1000 new windmills in the North sea on top of all the oil rigs that are about to become redundant when we all start running about in the extra 5 million electric cars we are going to supply all the population with. I thought a Billion pounds sounded quite cheap to me tbh.
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"OK, lets explain and then maybe you'll be a bit more contrite and less condemning of the firm I work for because they are probably more typical than you public sector sychophants and I want, I want people can possibly imagine.
I work in IT. Our family firm like everyone else had some good times in the noughties. In 2008 the bottom fell out of the market and employees at my level had to accept 30% pay cuts to help tied us over and keep a reasonable number of people in a job. It was either that or the dole queue.
Since then with hard graft and enormous loyalty from the employees because believe it or not it's a nice firm to work for that does actually care for it's employees we've developed new markets and have developed an exciting new product that is about to hit the market. I have had pay rises since those dark days and last year at long last returned to the same salary level as I was at in 2008, so that's why I say I have not had a pay rise. That's how long it took to get back to where I was. Luckily, thanks to the coalition government inflation has been very subdued and like everyone else globalisation and market changes meant that by shopping around I've been able to keep my own personal inflation to near negligible levels. I'm sure everyone else in this ruddy country has done the same. If not get a grip of your finances and stop expecting wage rises to keep up with inflation. I am very lucky. I work from home so have no transport costs, thanks to improvements in communication I can speak instantly to anyone at the office and enjoy a reasonable standard of living thanks to all the hard work I've put in. Hopefully and it's a big if I will get a pay rise that will take me into Plus territory at long last. I'm not counting my chicken but this year could be a good one with a bit of luck.
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"Oh yes and What deals would Jeremy have done if he could have got somewhere near with a majority. It's what politicians get paid for. I'm sure it would have been. I can imagine the calls "Hi Nicola what date in your diary would you like for your second referendum" and to Plaid Cymru, would you like a New road over the Severn bridge coz 2 isn't enough for you.
Or if it was the Greens, we're going to build a 1000 new windmills in the North sea on top of all the oil rigs that are about to become redundant when we all start running about in the extra 5 million electric cars we are going to supply all the population with. I thought a Billion pounds sounded quite cheap to me tbh.
All politicians make deals. If we had proportional representation it would be even more so. I dunno what planet some people are on bit it sure is a different one to the one I live on LOL."
Less than 3 weeks and your claiming black is white...
Is your memory so bad that you have forgotten the Labour leadership saying again and again "No deals! We believe we have a manifesto that no MP in a marginal seat will be able to vote against and retain their majority, so no deals we will invite MP's of all sides to support us issue by issue". |
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School children were still going to get 1 free meal each day at school under the tory manifesto plans. All they were going to do was swap free lunch for free breakfast instead. Labour supporters were calling for an end to austerity, now Northern Ireland is getting 1 billion extra pumped into its NHS, and infrastructure through this deal, Labour supporters are still moaning, do you want austerity to continue in Northern Ireland? You really need to make your minds up.
..... and ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the "centaur doesn't have a clue (Thursday edition)"
The point is they don't want austerity to continue ANYWHERE.....
The way the money would have normally given would have been via the Barnett formula... which would have meant the extra money for Northern Ireland would have meant extra money for Scotland and extra money for wales!
The circumvented the normal way of this happening....
I would like to think that the NHS in Scotland and the NHS in wales are as important to you as your new found interest in the NHS in Northern Ireland.... but I am guessing probably not the case and you are in favour of the deal for self interest
.....and ladies and gentlemen welcome to the "Fabio doesn't have a clue (Thursday edition).
Many places in Scotland, England and Wales are getting hundreds of millions of pounds extra outside of the Barnet formula in city deals.
Ffs...... really!
Let... me... explain... this.... to..... you.... slowly
NHS money is not included in any city deal money
Education money is not included in any city deal money.....
Broadband money to improve services in both wales and Scotland came out of their block grant via the Barnett formula... no special money was provided
General infrastructure money is not included in any city deal money.... it must be for specific named projects, and it can only be spent on that project
Crossrail for example
The Olympic park being another
I really don't know if you are this stupid... this is stupid even for you "
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"Well you are very much in agreement with what I have just said. There must be millions of people out there like us who have sacrificed so much over the last 8 to 10 years and yeah fine I'm glad to have the police and nurses and fireman but there is only so much people like us can give. People need to appreciate just who it is that is paying for nurses, firemen and policemen, army and all the other public sector workers. The income tax payer is the easy target. We live here and have an address and an NI number, our card is marked LOL."
So you haven't had a pay rise in 10 years, yet the personal allowance has risen by £5k, then you've been paying less income tax year on year (assuming you're PAYE), but nurses police and firefighters don't seem count as taxpayers (the correct term is 'hardworking taxpayers™) in your posts? |
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"Corbyn and Labour just lost the election, you are looking at 5 years in opposition now. 5 years is a long time and Corbyn is no spring chicken, he may well be pushing a zimmer frame the next time a general election comes around. "
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School children were still going to get 1 free meal each day at school under the tory manifesto plans. All they were going to do was swap free lunch for free breakfast instead. Labour supporters were calling for an end to austerity, now Northern Ireland is getting 1 billion extra pumped into its NHS, and infrastructure through this deal, Labour supporters are still moaning, do you want austerity to continue in Northern Ireland? You really need to make your minds up.
..... and ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the "centaur doesn't have a clue (Thursday edition)"
The point is they don't want austerity to continue ANYWHERE.....
The way the money would have normally given would have been via the Barnett formula... which would have meant the extra money for Northern Ireland would have meant extra money for Scotland and extra money for wales!
The circumvented the normal way of this happening....
I would like to think that the NHS in Scotland and the NHS in wales are as important to you as your new found interest in the NHS in Northern Ireland.... but I am guessing probably not the case and you are in favour of the deal for self interest
.....and ladies and gentlemen welcome to the "Fabio doesn't have a clue (Thursday edition).
Many places in Scotland, England and Wales are getting hundreds of millions of pounds extra outside of the Barnet formula in city deals. "
Centaur you know you're not allowed to say that _abio is thick don't you know that? This will probablly be my last post, adios |
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Actually it's not quite my last post LOL on this thread.
The one thing I absolutely get sick to death of is People that throw stones at Tory voters and accuse us of being scum or worse. I even had my son accuse me of being a criminal if I voted Tory 6 weeks. He sent me some daft email that obviously been drafted by someone at one of these focus meeting he attends. I thought where did you get that sort of Propaganda language from. How daft is this all becoming ?
I say when was the last time you bought a copy of big issue or slipped a down and out by the side of the road a fiver or a tenner to really make his day. How long did it take you to donate to a Grenfield tower appeal ? so don't give me that crap that all Tories are mean minded Brexit voters out for whatever they can get.
Right I'm off LOL. I've probably said enough now.
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