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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Continue here, macron said that the doors remains open for the uk to remain in the eu, so if britain changes their mind, it is not too late to rejoin, the offer is open until the brexit negotiations ends, what is your thoughts of it? I reckon brexit wont happen  |
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The Germans have also confirmed that the offer is open in recent days. As I mentioned in the other thread Macrons playing good cop and Merkels gonna be bad cop. So while Macron confirmed the offer from the French side it was a German minister who confirmed it for the Germans.
Cue the Brexiters in denial that the EU would be so organised to do it this way. Theyve gotten so used to the incompetence of the Tories that they cant believe any government could be so efficient and strategic  |
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"The Germans have also confirmed that the offer is open in recent days. As I mentioned in the other thread Macrons playing good cop and Merkels gonna be bad cop. So while Macron confirmed the offer from the French side it was a German minister who confirmed it for the Germans.
Cue the Brexiters in denial that the EU would be so organised to do it this way. Theyve gotten so used to the incompetence of the Tories that they cant believe any government could be so efficient and strategic "
You need to read my last post on the other thread then. The EU are far from being on the same page, divisions and differences of opinion have already started to emerge in the EU, and the talks haven't even begun yet. |
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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago
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"The Germans have also confirmed that the offer is open in recent days. As I mentioned in the other thread Macrons playing good cop and Merkels gonna be bad cop. So while Macron confirmed the offer from the French side it was a German minister who confirmed it for the Germans.
Cue the Brexiters in denial that the EU would be so organised to do it this way. Theyve gotten so used to the incompetence of the Tories that they cant believe any government could be so efficient and strategic "
You really are a bitter twisted along with silly man |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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The EU ought to take pity on us and hand us back the A50 Notice so that we can present it again when we have a credible Government and a clear idea about how Brexit will deliver successful outcomes for the country.
Fantasies of making it more difficult to trade with our near neighbours because we may be able to trade with others on the opposite side of the planet is just not credible.
If this really is all about immigration (which it must be because the White Paper told us the Sovereignty has always rested with Parliament). Let's just get a Government that is willing to enforce the three month rule on RU migrants and toughen up the ROW migrant requirements. |
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"The Germans have also confirmed that the offer is open in recent days. As I mentioned in the other thread Macrons playing good cop and Merkels gonna be bad cop. So while Macron confirmed the offer from the French side it was a German minister who confirmed it for the Germans.
Cue the Brexiters in denial that the EU would be so organised to do it this way. Theyve gotten so used to the incompetence of the Tories that they cant believe any government could be so efficient and strategic
You need to read my last post on the other thread then. The EU are far from being on the same page, divisions and differences of opinion have already started to emerge in the EU, and the talks haven't even begun yet. "
and you would say the UK is United and ready? ..since A50 we lost one prime minister probably on the verge or losing another...hand general election now a hung parliament .all the while the eu has said the same thing from the beginning...which seems the most stable at the moment? |
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"The Germans have also confirmed that the offer is open in recent days. As I mentioned in the other thread Macrons playing good cop and Merkels gonna be bad cop. So while Macron confirmed the offer from the French side it was a German minister who confirmed it for the Germans.
Cue the Brexiters in denial that the EU would be so organised to do it this way. Theyve gotten so used to the incompetence of the Tories that they cant believe any government could be so efficient and strategic
You need to read my last post on the other thread then. The EU are far from being on the same page, divisions and differences of opinion have already started to emerge in the EU, and the talks haven't even begun yet. and you would say the UK is United and ready? ..since A50 we lost one prime minister probably on the verge or losing another...hand general election now a hung parliament .all the while the eu has said the same thing from the beginning...which seems the most stable at the moment?"
Since article 50 was triggered in March 2017 we've only had one Prime minister and that is Theresa May. She won the general election and is still Prime minister now. |
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"The EU ought to take pity on us and hand us back the A50 Notice so that we can present it again when we have a credible Government and a clear idea about how Brexit will deliver successful outcomes for the country.
Fantasies of making it more difficult to trade with our near neighbours because we may be able to trade with others on the opposite side of the planet is just not credible.
If this really is all about immigration (which it must be because the White Paper told us the Sovereignty has always rested with Parliament). Let's just get a Government that is willing to enforce the three month rule on RU migrants and toughen up the ROW migrant requirements."
Ah the classic remainer tactic of trying to kick the can down the road and delay Brexit. The EU can't hand the article 50 letter back to us, it is clearly written in the treaty once article 50 is triggered there is a 2 year leaving process and then we are out, deal or No Deal. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"The EU ought to take pity on us and hand us back the A50 Notice so that we can present it again when we have a credible Government and a clear idea about how Brexit will deliver successful outcomes for the country.
Fantasies of making it more difficult to trade with our near neighbours because we may be able to trade with others on the opposite side of the planet is just not credible.
If this really is all about immigration (which it must be because the White Paper told us the Sovereignty has always rested with Parliament). Let's just get a Government that is willing to enforce the three month rule on RU migrants and toughen up the ROW migrant requirements.
Ah the classic remainer tactic of trying to kick the can down the road and delay Brexit. The EU can't hand the article 50 letter back to us, it is clearly written in the treaty once article 50 is triggered there is a 2 year leaving process and then we are out, deal or No Deal. "
Well I personally think we are going to walked all over because of our own Govts incompetence. May is punch d*unk seemingly staggering from one calamity to the next and Davis Davis promises " a better deal or at least as good a deal with the EU than we have at the moment." Oh... and he is the Chief Negotiator and head of the Brexit team.
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"The EU ought to take pity on us and hand us back the A50 Notice so that we can present it again when we have a credible Government and a clear idea about how Brexit will deliver successful outcomes for the country.
Fantasies of making it more difficult to trade with our near neighbours because we may be able to trade with others on the opposite side of the planet is just not credible.
If this really is all about immigration (which it must be because the White Paper told us the Sovereignty has always rested with Parliament). Let's just get a Government that is willing to enforce the three month rule on RU migrants and toughen up the ROW migrant requirements.
Ah the classic remainer tactic of trying to kick the can down the road and delay Brexit. The EU can't hand the article 50 letter back to us, it is clearly written in the treaty once article 50 is triggered there is a 2 year leaving process and then we are out, deal or No Deal.
Well I personally think we are going to walked all over because of our own Govts incompetence. May is punch d*unk seemingly staggering from one calamity to the next and Davis Davis promises " a better deal or at least as good a deal with the EU than we have at the moment." Oh... and he is the Chief Negotiator and head of the Brexit team.
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god help us won't be long before may goes she is as Osbourne said a dead women walking |
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Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond (who was a remainer) said on the Andrew Marr show on the BBC this morning that the UK is still leaving the single market AND the customs union. I've been saying this would still be the case since the general election on here while the deluded remainers have been saying no we'll stay in the customs union. The government's position has not changed and the strategy for leaving the EU is still exactly the same now as it was before the general election. The UK negotiations team have already had their first victory in forcing the EU to concede talks on The Northern Ireland border must be a priority and will be discussed as one of the first items on the agenda.
For the record Shadow chancellor John McDonnell also said on the Sophie Ridge programme on sky news today leaving the EU means leaving the single market, there is no way around it. Conservative and Labour are on the same page and in agreement we must leave the single market. |
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" The UK negotiations team have already had their first victory in forcing the EU to concede talks on The Northern Ireland border must be a priority and will be discussed as one of the first items on the agenda.
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Youre just being ridiculous now Centaur. Yesterday you claimed the schedule of talks was no major victory and now youre lying about it. David Davis said he'd fight all summer to have the issues negotiated in the order the UK wanted which was trade first. Then he capitulated on Friday and agreed to the order that was laid out by the EU back in April exactly as the EU decided.
If you have to lie....
But at least we agree the schedule of issues is a major victory and since the EU got exactly as it wanted without any concessions to the UK its a major victory for the EU. |
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" The UK negotiations team have already had their first victory in forcing the EU to concede talks on The Northern Ireland border must be a priority and will be discussed as one of the first items on the agenda.
Youre just being ridiculous now Centaur. Yesterday you claimed the schedule of talks was no major victory and now youre lying about it. David Davis said he'd fight all summer to have the issues negotiated in the order the UK wanted which was trade first. Then he capitulated on Friday and agreed to the order that was laid out by the EU back in April exactly as the EU decided.
If you have to lie....
But at least we agree the schedule of issues is a major victory and since the EU got exactly as it wanted without any concessions to the UK its a major victory for the EU."
You are the one who is being ridiculous. The EU has not got exactly what it wanted. Just yesterday you were saying the EU would only talk about a so called divorce bill before anything else, now the EU has conceded that one of the first items to be discussed will be issues around the Northern Ireland border which David Davis insisted on and which the EU capitulated to. Your crystal ball already has a huge crack in it after only one flippin day, just laughable. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Ireland is the winner of all this as may have to take into consideration their view of brexit. I rememeber back in the days when they threw potatoes at the english |
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" The UK negotiations team have already had their first victory in forcing the EU to concede talks on The Northern Ireland border must be a priority and will be discussed as one of the first items on the agenda.
Youre just being ridiculous now Centaur. Yesterday you claimed the schedule of talks was no major victory and now youre lying about it. David Davis said he'd fight all summer to have the issues negotiated in the order the UK wanted which was trade first. Then he capitulated on Friday and agreed to the order that was laid out by the EU back in April exactly as the EU decided.
If you have to lie....
But at least we agree the schedule of issues is a major victory and since the EU got exactly as it wanted without any concessions to the UK its a major victory for the EU.
You are the one who is being ridiculous. The EU has not got exactly what it wanted. Just yesterday you were saying the EU would only talk about a so called divorce bill before anything else, now the EU has conceded that one of the first items to be discussed will be issues around the Northern Ireland border which David Davis insisted on and which the EU capitulated to. Your crystal ball already has a huge crack in it after only one flippin day, just laughable. "
http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/eu-leaders-agree-tough-guidelines-for-brexit-negotiations-hard-border-in-ireland-among-red-line-issues-35665523.html
Theres the evidence Centaur. In the first meeting of the EU regarding Brexit negotiations the EU stated that divorce bill, citizen rights and Northern Ireland come before trade.
Heres Tusks statement,also in April, saying Northern Ireland, divorce bill and citizen rights are to come first.
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/0428/870996-united-ireland/
And finally here is Davis in the middle of May saying that he refused to discuss Northern Ireland or the divorce bill until everything was agreed and stating that to give in and discuss the bill and Northern Ireland first would put the UK at a huge disadvantage in negotiations.
https://www.ft.com/content/01396086-38ae-11e7-821a-6027b8a20f23
So the question remains, are you completely misinformed or outright lying? And why would you even make such obviously false claims when theyre so easy to prove wrong???
We agree its a major victory and now we have the proof that Davis lost and the EU won. |
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"Ireland is the winner of all this as may have to take into consideration their view of brexit. I rememeber back in the days when they threw potatoes at the english "
Out government isnt always the best, massively flawed in many ways, but god damn they are playing a blinder on Brexit. We actually have the French farmers union advocating for our position despite the fact that they could just look out for their own.
We're going to get the frictionless border and have Northern Ireland allowed back into the EU automatically if they decide to form a United Ireland. And the EU is working to look after our economic interests so Brexit will only take down the UK and not us with it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Continue here, macron said that the doors remains open for the uk to remain in the eu, so if britain changes their mind, it is not too late to rejoin, the offer is open until the brexit negotiations ends, what is your thoughts of it? I reckon brexit wont happen "
The referendum, the election and apparently, polls since all still confirm that that brexiters are are in the majority. This makes Brexit the most likely outcome since this a democratic nation.
Ironic to see remainers talking our position in any negotiations down when the biggest thing by far that's weakened Britains position is remainers own efforts to sabotage and undermine Brexit and The majority.
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"Continue here, macron said that the doors remains open for the uk to remain in the eu, so if britain changes their mind, it is not too late to rejoin, the offer is open until the brexit negotiations ends, what is your thoughts of it? I reckon brexit wont happen
The referendum, the election and apparently, polls since all still confirm that that brexiters are are in the majority. This makes Brexit the most likely outcome since this a democratic nation.
Ironic to see remainers talking our position in any negotiations down when the biggest thing by far that's weakened Britains position is remainers own efforts to sabotage and undermine Brexit and The majority.
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The biggest thing that has weakened the UK's position in any 'negotiations' is that we have absolutely no leverage. We need the EU, they don't need us.
The second biggest thing that has weakened the UK's position in any 'negotiations' is that our current government have precisely one member of their ministerial team who could be charitably described as 'not a moron' - and that's Hammond. We'd be better off with a team led by the Chuckle Brothers than May, Davis, Fox and crew.
You can cry and pretend Remainers are weakening our position rather than trying to waft the smelling salts of sanity under the noses of people who don't have a clue how this country actually works...but what's the point? You'd be better off holding your hands together and praying. |
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The referendum, the election and apparently, polls since all still confirm that that brexiters are are in the majority. This makes Brexit the most likely outcome since this a democratic nation.
Ironic to see remainers talking our position in any negotiations down when the biggest thing by far that's weakened Britains position is remainers own efforts to sabotage and undermine Brexit and The majority.
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Actually the British now have a more favourable opinion of the EU (by 10%) now than they did at the time of the referendum.
http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKBN1962WI
The remainers havent done anything to undermine the negotiating position. All theyve served to do is push the focus onto the economy which is where it should be.
The problem is that the UK has already had a very weak bargaining position. Everything the EU wants the UK has already taken off the table by virtue of the Brexit vote. So theres little to offer. The closest thing they had was Northern Ireland but even the Tories arent so self destructive as to hold the peace process ransom and theyvr given up that leverage anyway by capitulating to the EU position on hoe the talks will proceed. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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" The UK negotiations team have already had their first victory in forcing the EU to concede talks on The Northern Ireland border must be a priority and will be discussed as one of the first items on the agenda.
Youre just being ridiculous now Centaur. Yesterday you claimed the schedule of talks was no major victory and now youre lying about it. David Davis said he'd fight all summer to have the issues negotiated in the order the UK wanted which was trade first. Then he capitulated on Friday and agreed to the order that was laid out by the EU back in April exactly as the EU decided.
If you have to lie....
But at least we agree the schedule of issues is a major victory and since the EU got exactly as it wanted without any concessions to the UK its a major victory for the EU.
You are the one who is being ridiculous. The EU has not got exactly what it wanted. Just yesterday you were saying the EU would only talk about a so called divorce bill before anything else, now the EU has conceded that one of the first items to be discussed will be issues around the Northern Ireland border which David Davis insisted on and which the EU capitulated to. Your crystal ball already has a huge crack in it after only one flippin day, just laughable.
http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/eu-leaders-agree-tough-guidelines-for-brexit-negotiations-hard-border-in-ireland-among-red-line-issues-35665523.html
Theres the evidence Centaur. In the first meeting of the EU regarding Brexit negotiations the EU stated that divorce bill, citizen rights and Northern Ireland come before trade.
Heres Tusks statement,also in April, saying Northern Ireland, divorce bill and citizen rights are to come first.
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/0428/870996-united-ireland/
And finally here is Davis in the middle of May saying that he refused to discuss Northern Ireland or the divorce bill until everything was agreed and stating that to give in and discuss the bill and Northern Ireland first would put the UK at a huge disadvantage in negotiations.
https://www.ft.com/content/01396086-38ae-11e7-821a-6027b8a20f23
So the question remains, are you completely misinformed or outright lying? And why would you even make such obviously false claims when theyre so easy to prove wrong???
We agree its a major victory and now we have the proof that Davis lost and the EU won."
He's lying because it doesn't fit with his world view. He has been fed so much bullshit about how the UK is in charge, how the EU are going to bend over backwards simply because we are Britain and all other countries bow down to us.
This view is going to be smashed to bits over the next year or so. |
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He's lying because it doesn't fit with his world view. He has been fed so much bullshit about how the UK is in charge, how the EU are going to bend over backwards simply because we are Britain and all other countries bow down to us.
This view is going to be smashed to bits over the next year or so."
It will be. Talk of bulldog spirit and the Tories taking charge are fanciful at best. The facts are the facts....unless you listen to Centaur and when you lose you claim that losing was what you wanted all along.
Ill say he'll get his Brexit deal without customs union, single market or FOM. But it will devastate the economy. The tories dont have the testicular fortitude to make the right call if its unpopular so they'll take the UK down into recession. Then they'll find out how much more the UK values their jobs, healthcare and a stable economy. |
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"Ireland is the winner of all this as may have to take into consideration their view of brexit. I rememeber back in the days when they threw potatoes at the english
Out government isnt always the best, massively flawed in many ways, but god damn they are playing a blinder on Brexit. We actually have the French farmers union advocating for our position despite the fact that they could just look out for their own.
We're going to get the frictionless border and have Northern Ireland allowed back into the EU automatically if they decide to form a United Ireland. And the EU is working to look after our economic interests so Brexit will only take down the UK and not us with it."
That is right and it is good that ireland will have a big voice in the brexit negotiations  |
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By *ertwoCouple
over a year ago
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Open your eyes anything that brings down the UK will have a massive knock on effect on the Irish Republic. Most Irish goods pass in and out though the UK. The reality is it is in Irelands interest to back a good deal for the UK and it will help every one in Ireland. North and South |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"The Vote has been taken and must be followed. It there is a hard border it will be the rest of the EU that insists on it not the UK and Northern Ireland government. "
How are you going to stop free movement of goods and people without a border? |
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"Open your eyes anything that brings down the UK will have a massive knock on effect on the Irish Republic. Most Irish goods pass in and out though the UK. The reality is it is in Irelands interest to back a good deal for the UK and it will help every one in Ireland. North and South"
Irelands interest is in a strong EU and we're backing that.
Brexiters keep trying to say that a good deal is best for everyone else but ita not. If you want to shoot yourself in the foot and give away jobs, investment and tax revenue then Ireland will take its share. And we have the EU determined to stop the Brexit cancer from spreading to Ireland. |
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" The UK negotiations team have already had their first victory in forcing the EU to concede talks on The Northern Ireland border must be a priority and will be discussed as one of the first items on the agenda.
Youre just being ridiculous now Centaur. Yesterday you claimed the schedule of talks was no major victory and now youre lying about it. David Davis said he'd fight all summer to have the issues negotiated in the order the UK wanted which was trade first. Then he capitulated on Friday and agreed to the order that was laid out by the EU back in April exactly as the EU decided.
If you have to lie....
But at least we agree the schedule of issues is a major victory and since the EU got exactly as it wanted without any concessions to the UK its a major victory for the EU.
You are the one who is being ridiculous. The EU has not got exactly what it wanted. Just yesterday you were saying the EU would only talk about a so called divorce bill before anything else, now the EU has conceded that one of the first items to be discussed will be issues around the Northern Ireland border which David Davis insisted on and which the EU capitulated to. Your crystal ball already has a huge crack in it after only one flippin day, just laughable.
http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/eu-leaders-agree-tough-guidelines-for-brexit-negotiations-hard-border-in-ireland-among-red-line-issues-35665523.html
Theres the evidence Centaur. In the first meeting of the EU regarding Brexit negotiations the EU stated that divorce bill, citizen rights and Northern Ireland come before trade.
Heres Tusks statement,also in April, saying Northern Ireland, divorce bill and citizen rights are to come first.
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/0428/870996-united-ireland/
And finally here is Davis in the middle of May saying that he refused to discuss Northern Ireland or the divorce bill until everything was agreed and stating that to give in and discuss the bill and Northern Ireland first would put the UK at a huge disadvantage in negotiations.
https://www.ft.com/content/01396086-38ae-11e7-821a-6027b8a20f23
So the question remains, are you completely misinformed or outright lying? And why would you even make such obviously false claims when theyre so easy to prove wrong???
We agree its a major victory and now we have the proof that Davis lost and the EU won."
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"Continue here, macron said that the doors remains open for the uk to remain in the eu, so if britain changes their mind, it is not too late to rejoin, the offer is open until the brexit negotiations ends, what is your thoughts of it? I reckon brexit wont happen
The referendum, the election and apparently, polls since all still confirm that that brexiters are are in the majority. This makes Brexit the most likely outcome since this a democratic nation.
Ironic to see remainers talking our position in any negotiations down when the biggest thing by far that's weakened Britains position is remainers own efforts to sabotage and undermine Brexit and The majority.
The biggest thing that has weakened the UK's position in any 'negotiations' is that we have absolutely no leverage. We need the EU, they don't need us.
The second biggest thing that has weakened the UK's position in any 'negotiations' is that our current government have precisely one member of their ministerial team who could be charitably described as 'not a moron' - and that's Hammond. We'd be better off with a team led by the Chuckle Brothers than May, Davis, Fox and crew.
You can cry and pretend Remainers are weakening our position rather than trying to waft the smelling salts of sanity under the noses of people who don't have a clue how this country actually works...but what's the point? You'd be better off holding your hands together and praying."
They don't need us? Even though we are the EUs largest single export market? The biggest consumer and best customer? They don't need our contributions and commitment to plans like an EU army? They don't need things we monopolise like british patented drugs, British copyrighted publishing and media? They don't need the uk to mitigate members states that get bailouts?
We need them? Even though we will be free to trade with the rest of the world? Even the EU is a declining fraction of the global market?
We need to be dictated to by unelected EU officials? We need to support insolvent EU states?
The strangest thing is that people like you are so lucid and apparently coherent while describing the complete fiction you seem to live in. It's a curious mix of denial, cognitive dissonance and quite well crafted false narrative. It's the nasty, vicious bits that say most about you though... and nothing good |
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"Continue here, macron said that the doors remains open for the uk to remain in the eu, so if britain changes their mind, it is not too late to rejoin, the offer is open until the brexit negotiations ends, what is your thoughts of it? I reckon brexit wont happen
The referendum, the election and apparently, polls since all still confirm that that brexiters are are in the majority. This makes Brexit the most likely outcome since this a democratic nation.
Ironic to see remainers talking our position in any negotiations down when the biggest thing by far that's weakened Britains position is remainers own efforts to sabotage and undermine Brexit and The majority.
The biggest thing that has weakened the UK's position in any 'negotiations' is that we have absolutely no leverage. We need the EU, they don't need us.
The second biggest thing that has weakened the UK's position in any 'negotiations' is that our current government have precisely one member of their ministerial team who could be charitably described as 'not a moron' - and that's Hammond. We'd be better off with a team led by the Chuckle Brothers than May, Davis, Fox and crew.
You can cry and pretend Remainers are weakening our position rather than trying to waft the smelling salts of sanity under the noses of people who don't have a clue how this country actually works...but what's the point? You'd be better off holding your hands together and praying.
They don't need us? Even though we are the EUs largest single export market? The biggest consumer and best customer? They don't need our contributions and commitment to plans like an EU army? They don't need things we monopolise like british patented drugs, British copyrighted publishing and media? They don't need the uk to mitigate members states that get bailouts?
We need them? Even though we will be free to trade with the rest of the world? Even the EU is a declining fraction of the global market?
We need to be dictated to by unelected EU officials? We need to support insolvent EU states?
The strangest thing is that people like you are so lucid and apparently coherent while describing the complete fiction you seem to live in. It's a curious mix of denial, cognitive dissonance and quite well crafted false narrative. It's the nasty, vicious bits that say most about you though... and nothing good "
The EU takes 48% of the UKs exports. The UK takes 9% of the EUs. Who comes off worst if trade plummets between the 2?
The EU can replace UK customers with the EU customers the UK loses. 42% of what the UK exports to the EU are services and we're already seeing the financial companies preparing to move to the EU.
British patented drugs can be manufactured anywhere in the EU.
We'll be getting a nice divorce bill of up to €100bn to cover youre contributions for over a decade.
There is no EU army.
Nobody will miss your publishing. The Daily Mail? Good lord you can keep it!!
There are no bailouts coming and we still have your divorce bill. Bailouts are even more unlikely to be necessary once we get things like the 9,000 bank jobs a couple of the banks are sending to the EU or the 100,000 jobs from Euro clearing we're taking back. Not to mention the other possibilites like manufacturing, vehicles, pharma and many others. We'll also be reducing our social spending with all these extra jobs, we'll be taking in more income tax, corporation tax, VAT and customs tax.
You will be free to trade with the rest of the world. If you dont agree a deal you need to negotiate at least 14 comprehensive trade deals in the next 20 months. No ones ever done one deal like that in such a short space of time. If you do agree a deal then you'll need the EU to continue to support you and allow you to remain a part of those deals while you finally get yourselves organised.
No deal is a speedbump to the EU. No deal for the UK means no deals with any other country when you exit. You will be on WTO terms which are, by definition, the worst trading terms a country can have. And you'll have no quotas for your exports,rising unemployment, lower tax take etc. etc.
You need a deal. Thats why Davis embarrassingly capitulated and did what the EU told him to do when it came to deciding what the schedule of talks would be. Because the UK has no leverage. |
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Oh and isn't Brexiters who are crying is it? Be honest for a change. Remainers haven't stopped crying since the referendum... cos you lost and we are leaving the EU.
Perhaps the best way to express your disapproval is to leave the bigoted, anti-gay, sexist, misogynistic, racist UK and go live in the EU? that would show us right? Do it |
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I'll repeat it so you can try to absorb it this time - the uk is the single largest EU export market.
Do I really need to explain why that means the EU needs us? Really??!
British publishers own rights to stuff like Harry Potter too you realise? And countless dramas and documentaries show all over the world. You knew that surely??!
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"Oh and isn't Brexiters who are crying is it? Be honest for a change. Remainers haven't stopped crying since the referendum... cos you lost and we are leaving the EU.
Perhaps the best way to express your disapproval is to leave the bigoted, anti-gay, sexist, misogynistic, racist UK and go live in the EU? that would show us right? Do it "
*looks around* Yep Im still in Ireland which is remaining in the EU.
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"Oh and isn't Brexiters who are crying is it? Be honest for a change. Remainers haven't stopped crying since the referendum... cos you lost and we are leaving the EU.
Perhaps the best way to express your disapproval is to leave the bigoted, anti-gay, sexist, misogynistic, racist UK and go live in the EU? that would show us right? Do it
*looks around* Yep Im still in Ireland which is remaining in the EU.
Is there a particular reason you ignored the points made about why the UK needs a deal more than the EU? Or do you accept that is the case?"
Yes they aren't worthy of a rebuttal
That's because the uk is the EUs biggest single export market. That defeats his case any any suggestion that the EU doesn't need us. |
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"I'll repeat it so you can try to absorb it this time - the uk is the single largest EU export market.
Do I really need to explain why that means the EU needs us? Really??!
British publishers own rights to stuff like Harry Potter too you realise? And countless dramas and documentaries show all over the world. You knew that surely??!
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Uk is 9% of our exports, the EU is 48% of the UKs. We have 27 countries with tarrif free trade and deals with countries all over the world. You have zero deals. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada. And you'll never agree 14 comprehensive trade deals in 22 months. And even those 14 deals would still leave you billions short of where you are now.
And you'll need to double your world trade in order to make up the trade youve lost.
How are you possibly going to double your world trade, negotiate 14+ comprehensive trade deals and pass all the legislation needed to replace the EU laws you want to keep, stimulate the economy to make up for the businesses and jobs that are going to leave to stay in the single market all in 22 months????
Compare that to the EUs position if theres no deal: replace 9% of exports when we have plenty of EU customers and a new trade deal with Canada that we still havent taken full advantage of. Not to mention over 110,000 jobs will be coming to the EU from just the financial sector to shore up our economy if it needs it.
You'll be facing an economic apocalypse we'll have to have a small adjustment. |
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Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs. |
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The referendum votes were counted last year , the result decided . The British public voted to leave the eu. This is the frame of reference people should be centering the discussion around. Not endlessly gloating over potential "repercussions" , doom mongering and generally endlessly speculating and wallowing? in an almost perverse hyperbolic relish regarding "end of days consequences".. when negotiations begin and it moves from theoretical to initiated proceedings.. it'll certainly be interesting to see how hard the EU try to cut their figurative noses off to spite their faces, if at all.
It's been decided. In Ireland you had to vote twice on the Lisbon treaty! The public voted against it! Your EU pay masters decided you were too thick to understand the nature of the referendum the first time (or some equally questionable spin was put on it) so needed to vote again (until the desired results for Brussels were achieved and they could maintain a pretence of democracy!!).
What a boring harpy. You need new schtick.
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"Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs."
Unsurprisingly youre completely wrong. These are the actual numbers:
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/
On what planet do you think that the closest 27 countries are only 12% of the UKs exports. Or that the massive market that is the EU imports more from the UK than the other way round.
More lies from people trying to pretend that Brexit is in better shape than it is. Again, if you have to lie then maybe you're in the wrong... |
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"The referendum votes were counted last year , the result decided . The British public voted to leave the eu. This is the frame of reference people should be centering the discussion around. Not endlessly gloating over potential "repercussions" , doom mongering and generally endlessly speculating and wallowing? in an almost perverse hyperbolic relish regarding "end of days consequences".. when negotiations begin and it moves from theoretical to initiated proceedings.. it'll certainly be interesting to see how hard the EU try to cut their figurative noses off to spite their faces, if at all.
It's been decided. In Ireland you had to vote twice on the Lisbon treaty! The public voted against it! Your EU pay masters decided you were too thick to understand the nature of the referendum the first time (or some equally questionable spin was put on it) so needed to vote again (until the desired results for Brussels were achieved and they could maintain a pretence of democracy!!).
What a boring harpy. You need new schtick.
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Actually we rejected the Lisbon treaty, it was amended and we got the specific changes we wanted made so then we ratified it.
The fact that you have to lie your way through this debate just shows how bankrupt your ideas are.
If your point of view could stand then you could honestly debate them. The fact that you cant, and no one on the Brexit side has been able to, says it all.
Whether its you lying and getting into personal attacks, Centaur pretending the EUs stance was the UKs to claim a false victory, others lying about the trade figures and thats just in this thread!!
The wheels on the Brexit bus are coming off and theres nothing you can do to stop it. But Macron and Merkel are willing to let you step on the brakes before you crash. Not that I think the Tories are bright enough to see its the right choice. |
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"The referendum votes were counted last year , the result decided . The British public voted to leave the eu. This is the frame of reference people should be centering the discussion around. Not endlessly gloating over potential "repercussions" , doom mongering and generally endlessly speculating and wallowing? in an almost perverse hyperbolic relish regarding "end of days consequences".. when negotiations begin and it moves from theoretical to initiated proceedings.. it'll certainly be interesting to see how hard the EU try to cut their figurative noses off to spite their faces, if at all.
It's been decided. In Ireland you had to vote twice on the Lisbon treaty! The public voted against it! Your EU pay masters decided you were too thick to understand the nature of the referendum the first time (or some equally questionable spin was put on it) so needed to vote again (until the desired results for Brussels were achieved and they could maintain a pretence of democracy!!).
What a boring harpy. You need new schtick.
Actually we rejected the Lisbon treaty, it was amended and we got the specific changes we wanted made so then we ratified it.
The fact that you have to lie your way through this debate just shows how bankrupt your ideas are.
If your point of view could stand then you could honestly debate them. The fact that you cant, and no one on the Brexit side has been able to, says it all.
Whether its you lying and getting into personal attacks, Centaur pretending the EUs stance was the UKs to claim a false victory, others lying about the trade figures and thats just in this thread!!
The wheels on the Brexit bus are coming off and theres nothing you can do to stop it. But Macron and Merkel are willing to let you step on the brakes before you crash. Not that I think the Tories are bright enough to see its the right choice."
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Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep peacefully at night. sycophantic eurofile. "
Well maybe you can enlighten me about what happens to the UK if theres no deal?
How does the UK negotiate 14+ comprehensive trade deals in less than 22 months when no ones managed to do one in that space of time. (Brexiters are fond of bringing up a minor trade deal the Aussies did in 8 months but thats not even a fraction of one of the deals that the UK will have to do and it still took 8 months!) The type of deal the UK will need to do 14+ times takes years to do.
And how are you going to get better deals than the EU gets when youre a smaller market and the EU is outnegotiating you already?
And how are you going to double world trade in 22 months to make up for the downturn in EU trade?
And how are you going to replace all the jobs and companies that are leaving as the result of Brexit?
Will you answer? No. Can you answer? No. Why not? Because asking any government to perform those feats is asking for a stream of miracles. So instead you'll ignore it and prattle on about last years election vote despite the fact no one disputes it, personal attacks and more lies because you want to avoid the hard questions.
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" The UK negotiations team have already had their first victory in forcing the EU to concede talks on The Northern Ireland border must be a priority and will be discussed as one of the first items on the agenda.
Youre just being ridiculous now Centaur. Yesterday you claimed the schedule of talks was no major victory and now youre lying about it. David Davis said he'd fight all summer to have the issues negotiated in the order the UK wanted which was trade first. Then he capitulated on Friday and agreed to the order that was laid out by the EU back in April exactly as the EU decided.
If you have to lie....
But at least we agree the schedule of issues is a major victory and since the EU got exactly as it wanted without any concessions to the UK its a major victory for the EU.
You are the one who is being ridiculous. The EU has not got exactly what it wanted. Just yesterday you were saying the EU would only talk about a so called divorce bill before anything else, now the EU has conceded that one of the first items to be discussed will be issues around the Northern Ireland border which David Davis insisted on and which the EU capitulated to. Your crystal ball already has a huge crack in it after only one flippin day, just laughable.
http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/eu-leaders-agree-tough-guidelines-for-brexit-negotiations-hard-border-in-ireland-among-red-line-issues-35665523.html
Theres the evidence Centaur. In the first meeting of the EU regarding Brexit negotiations the EU stated that divorce bill, citizen rights and Northern Ireland come before trade.
Heres Tusks statement,also in April, saying Northern Ireland, divorce bill and citizen rights are to come first.
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/0428/870996-united-ireland/
And finally here is Davis in the middle of May saying that he refused to discuss Northern Ireland or the divorce bill until everything was agreed and stating that to give in and discuss the bill and Northern Ireland first would put the UK at a huge disadvantage in negotiations.
https://www.ft.com/content/01396086-38ae-11e7-821a-6027b8a20f23
So the question remains, are you completely misinformed or outright lying? And why would you even make such obviously false claims when theyre so easy to prove wrong???
We agree its a major victory and now we have the proof that Davis lost and the EU won."
It's more than obvious you've not been watching what has been going on in the House of Commons too closely since the UK voted to Leave the EU. Rights of EU citizens living in the uk and uk citizens living in the EU has always been a priority for the UK government going back months before Africa 50 was even triggered. It was brought up time and time again in Brexit debates in the House of Commons going as far back as when Brexit debates first started there after the result of the referendum. You claim it is an EU priority, the fact of the matter is it is also a UK priority and always has been from the get go. Theresa May even tried to get a reciprocal deal done on this last Nov/Dec before article 50 was triggered in March but Angela Merkel refused, it's clear Merkel doesn't give a shit about EU citizens and she'd rather use them as bargaining chips. The mask of the EU well and truly slipped then, if EU citizens rights were really so much of a priority for the EU then they would've come to an agreement last Nov/Dec when an offer was put forward by the UK before article 50 was triggered. You can post all the links you like, actions speak louder than words and Merkels actions on this very issue last Nov/Dec shouted loud and clear the EU doesn't give a shit about the rights of its citizens. As for the Northern Ireland border it is very much working in the UK's favour to have this as a priority and one of the first items on the agenda in the talks. Now the Tories are working with the DUP in Parliament the DUP want this issue over the border to be sorted as a priority so it really is great news for the UK this is near the top of the agenda, it will promote harmony with the DUP in a Tory/DUP alliance. If you believe in fate then the cards have fallen into place very well for the UK so far, God works in mysterious ways as the saying goes.
The tories are also finding out now what good negotiators the DUP are, they are driving a hard bargain with the tories over a deal in parliament, so its rumoured now the tories could bring in members of the DUP on the UK Brexit negotiations team. The DUP are very experienced negotiators and have been negotiating with Sinn Fein in Northern Ireland since the good Friday agreement. They can bring a wealth of experience and negotiating expertise to the UK Brexit negotiating team. Looking forward to these brexit negotiations starting later today. |
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The DUP driving a hard bargain? not surprising really because the DUP know they have the Conservatives by the balls so they can insist on a hell of a lot knowing the Tories are in a weak position.
If that's true that the Conservatives are bringing in DUP members for Brexit negotiations then it really shows the dire state the Government's negotiators are in.
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"Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs.
Unsurprisingly youre completely wrong. These are the actual numbers:
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/
On what planet do you think that the closest 27 countries are only 12% of the UKs exports. Or that the massive market that is the EU imports more from the UK than the other way round.
More lies from people trying to pretend that Brexit is in better shape than it is. Again, if you have to lie then maybe you're in the wrong..."
No lies, facts. Remain is dead. The EU will be dead soon too.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-exports/ |
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"Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs.
Unsurprisingly youre completely wrong. These are the actual numbers:
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/
On what planet do you think that the closest 27 countries are only 12% of the UKs exports. Or that the massive market that is the EU imports more from the UK than the other way round.
More lies from people trying to pretend that Brexit is in better shape than it is. Again, if you have to lie then maybe you're in the wrong...
No lies, facts. Remain is dead. The EU will be dead soon too.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-exports/"
That link confirms your numbers are wrong and that that about 44% of UK exports go to the EU.
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"Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs.
Unsurprisingly youre completely wrong. These are the actual numbers:
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/
On what planet do you think that the closest 27 countries are only 12% of the UKs exports. Or that the massive market that is the EU imports more from the UK than the other way round.
More lies from people trying to pretend that Brexit is in better shape than it is. Again, if you have to lie then maybe you're in the wrong...
No lies, facts. Remain is dead. The EU will be dead soon too.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-exports/
That link confirms your numbers are wrong and that that about 44% of UK exports go to the EU.
-Matt"
Keep reading... says that the value of that trade is only 13% of our economy. We export more to non EU countries. |
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"Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs.
Unsurprisingly youre completely wrong. These are the actual numbers:
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/
On what planet do you think that the closest 27 countries are only 12% of the UKs exports. Or that the massive market that is the EU imports more from the UK than the other way round.
More lies from people trying to pretend that Brexit is in better shape than it is. Again, if you have to lie then maybe you're in the wrong...
No lies, facts. Remain is dead. The EU will be dead soon too.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-exports/
That link confirms your numbers are wrong and that that about 44% of UK exports go to the EU.
-Matt
Keep reading... says that the value of that trade is only 13% of our economy. We export more to non EU countries. "
Yes. And?
You stated:
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Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs.
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Which is clearly wrong based on the very link that you posted.
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"The referendum votes were counted last year , the result decided . The British public voted to leave the eu. This is the frame of reference people should be centering the discussion around. Not endlessly gloating over potential "repercussions" , doom mongering and generally endlessly speculating and wallowing? in an almost perverse hyperbolic relish regarding "end of days consequences".. when negotiations begin and it moves from theoretical to initiated proceedings.. it'll certainly be interesting to see how hard the EU try to cut their figurative noses off to spite their faces, if at all.
It's been decided. In Ireland you had to vote twice on the Lisbon treaty! The public voted against it! Your EU pay masters decided you were too thick to understand the nature of the referendum the first time (or some equally questionable spin was put on it) so needed to vote again (until the desired results for Brussels were achieved and they could maintain a pretence of democracy!!).
What a boring harpy. You need new schtick.
Actually we rejected the Lisbon treaty, it was amended and we got the specific changes we wanted made so then we ratified it.
The fact that you have to lie your way through this debate just shows how bankrupt your ideas are.
If your point of view could stand then you could honestly debate them. The fact that you cant, and no one on the Brexit side has been able to, says it all.
Whether its you lying and getting into personal attacks, Centaur pretending the EUs stance was the UKs to claim a false victory, others lying about the trade figures and thats just in this thread!!
The wheels on the Brexit bus are coming off and theres nothing you can do to stop it. But Macron and Merkel are willing to let you step on the brakes before you crash. Not that I think the Tories are bright enough to see its the right choice."
So are you admitting that Macron and Merkel are running the EU then and the other 25 members states just do as they are told?
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"The referendum votes were counted last year , the result decided . The British public voted to leave the eu. This is the frame of reference people should be centering the discussion around. Not endlessly gloating over potential "repercussions" , doom mongering and generally endlessly speculating and wallowing? in an almost perverse hyperbolic relish regarding "end of days consequences".. when negotiations begin and it moves from theoretical to initiated proceedings.. it'll certainly be interesting to see how hard the EU try to cut their figurative noses off to spite their faces, if at all.
It's been decided. In Ireland you had to vote twice on the Lisbon treaty! The public voted against it! Your EU pay masters decided you were too thick to understand the nature of the referendum the first time (or some equally questionable spin was put on it) so needed to vote again (until the desired results for Brussels were achieved and they could maintain a pretence of democracy!!).
What a boring harpy. You need new schtick.
Actually we rejected the Lisbon treaty, it was amended and we got the specific changes we wanted made so then we ratified it.
The fact that you have to lie your way through this debate just shows how bankrupt your ideas are.
If your point of view could stand then you could honestly debate them. The fact that you cant, and no one on the Brexit side has been able to, says it all.
Whether its you lying and getting into personal attacks, Centaur pretending the EUs stance was the UKs to claim a false victory, others lying about the trade figures and thats just in this thread!!
The wheels on the Brexit bus are coming off and theres nothing you can do to stop it. But Macron and Merkel are willing to let you step on the brakes before you crash. Not that I think the Tories are bright enough to see its the right choice.
So are you admitting that Macron and Merkel are running the EU then and the other 25 members states just do as they are told?
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I just said they were willing to do it, never said that they were all that mattered.
But this is sound strategy from the EU. Squeeze the UK on negotiations and give them an acceptable exit to remain. Its clear what the EUs goal is and that doesnt look for the hopes of a pro UK Brecit deal. |
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It's more than obvious you've not been watching what has been going on in the House of Commons too closely since the UK voted to Leave the EU. Rights of EU citizens living in the uk and uk citizens living in the EU has always been a priority for the UK government going back months before Africa 50 was even triggered. It was brought up time and time again in Brexit debates in the House of Commons going as far back as when Brexit debates first started there after the result of the referendum. You claim it is an EU priority, the fact of the matter is it is also a UK priority and always has been from the get go. Theresa May even tried to get a reciprocal deal done on this last Nov/Dec before article 50 was triggered in March but Angela Merkel refused, it's clear Merkel doesn't give a shit about EU citizens and she'd rather use them as bargaining chips. The mask of the EU well and truly slipped then, if EU citizens rights were really so much of a priority for the EU then they would've come to an agreement last Nov/Dec when an offer was put forward by the UK before article 50 was triggered. You can post all the links you like, actions speak louder than words and Merkels actions on this very issue last Nov/Dec shouted loud and clear the EU doesn't give a shit about the rights of its citizens. As for the Northern Ireland border it is very much working in the UK's favour to have this as a priority and one of the first items on the agenda in the talks. Now the Tories are working with the DUP in Parliament the DUP want this issue over the border to be sorted as a priority so it really is great news for the UK this is near the top of the agenda, it will promote harmony with the DUP in a Tory/DUP alliance. If you believe in fate then the cards have fallen into place very well for the UK so far, God works in mysterious ways as the saying goes.
The tories are also finding out now what good negotiators the DUP are, they are driving a hard bargain with the tories over a deal in parliament, so its rumoured now the tories could bring in members of the DUP on the UK Brexit negotiations team. The DUP are very experienced negotiators and have been negotiating with Sinn Fein in Northern Ireland since the good Friday agreement. They can bring a wealth of experience and negotiating expertise to the UK Brexit negotiating team. Looking forward to these brexit negotiations starting later today. "
Ive never disputed that the UK also wanted citizen rights sorted as one of the first things.
What was in dispute was you claiming that Davis wanted Northern Ireland first and then you outrageously claimed that Davis won his first major victory against the EU. Then I had to show you that not only did David lose, but he himself said that to concede this point would be a blow to the UKs negotiating position.
So the tories are being bested by both the EU negotiating team and the DUP negotiating team and you think thats a good thing? And in regards to the DUP, how many international trade deals have they done? |
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"Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs.
Unsurprisingly youre completely wrong. These are the actual numbers:
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/
On what planet do you think that the closest 27 countries are only 12% of the UKs exports. Or that the massive market that is the EU imports more from the UK than the other way round.
More lies from people trying to pretend that Brexit is in better shape than it is. Again, if you have to lie then maybe you're in the wrong...
No lies, facts. Remain is dead. The EU will be dead soon too.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-exports/"
Have you actually read that link? It basically says the complete opposite to what you're saying.
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It's been decided. In Ireland you had to vote twice on the Lisbon treaty! The public voted against it! Your EU pay masters decided you were too thick to understand the nature of the referendum the first time (or some equally questionable spin was put on it) so needed to vote again (until the desired results for Brussels were achieved and they could maintain a pretence of democracy!!).
What a boring harpy. You need new schtick.
Actually we rejected the Lisbon treaty, it was amended and we got the specific changes we wanted made so then we ratified it.
The fact that you have to lie your way through this debate just shows how bankrupt your ideas are.
If your point of view could stand then you could honestly debate them. The fact that you cant, and no one on the Brexit side has been able to, says it all.
Whether its you lying and getting into personal attacks, Centaur pretending the EUs stance was the UKs to claim a false victory, others lying about the trade figures and thats just in this thread!!
The wheels on the Brexit bus are coming off and theres nothing you can do to stop it. But Macron and Merkel are willing to let you step on the brakes before you crash. Not that I think the Tories are bright enough to see its the right choice.
So are you admitting that Macron and Merkel are running the EU then and the other 25 members states just do as they are told?
I just said they were willing to do it, never said that they were all that mattered.
But this is sound strategy from the EU. Squeeze the UK on negotiations and give them an acceptable exit to remain. Its clear what the EUs goal is and that doesnt look for the hopes of a pro UK Brecit deal."
How can they be willing to do it without approval from the other member states, seems to me the only member states commenting on Brexit are Germany & France is that because when we leave they will have to pay more to make up for us leaving? |
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"Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs.
Unsurprisingly youre completely wrong. These are the actual numbers:
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/
On what planet do you think that the closest 27 countries are only 12% of the UKs exports. Or that the massive market that is the EU imports more from the UK than the other way round.
More lies from people trying to pretend that Brexit is in better shape than it is. Again, if you have to lie then maybe you're in the wrong...
No lies, facts. Remain is dead. The EU will be dead soon too.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-exports/
Have you actually read that link? It basically says the complete opposite to what you're saying.
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I read where it says that Uk exports to EU are only 13% of our economy. That's the point. The other figure looks impressive until you realise we don't export much - we buy a lot.
Another point is that we export more to non EU countries.
We are the EUs single largest export market.
They are not ours. Exports to the EU are worth very little to our economy... 13%.
We need the EU like hole in the head.
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It's more than obvious you've not been watching what has been going on in the House of Commons too closely since the UK voted to Leave the EU. Rights of EU citizens living in the uk and uk citizens living in the EU has always been a priority for the UK government going back months before Africa 50 was even triggered. It was brought up time and time again in Brexit debates in the House of Commons going as far back as when Brexit debates first started there after the result of the referendum. You claim it is an EU priority, the fact of the matter is it is also a UK priority and always has been from the get go. Theresa May even tried to get a reciprocal deal done on this last Nov/Dec before article 50 was triggered in March but Angela Merkel refused, it's clear Merkel doesn't give a shit about EU citizens and she'd rather use them as bargaining chips. The mask of the EU well and truly slipped then, if EU citizens rights were really so much of a priority for the EU then they would've come to an agreement last Nov/Dec when an offer was put forward by the UK before article 50 was triggered. You can post all the links you like, actions speak louder than words and Merkels actions on this very issue last Nov/Dec shouted loud and clear the EU doesn't give a shit about the rights of its citizens. As for the Northern Ireland border it is very much working in the UK's favour to have this as a priority and one of the first items on the agenda in the talks. Now the Tories are working with the DUP in Parliament the DUP want this issue over the border to be sorted as a priority so it really is great news for the UK this is near the top of the agenda, it will promote harmony with the DUP in a Tory/DUP alliance. If you believe in fate then the cards have fallen into place very well for the UK so far, God works in mysterious ways as the saying goes.
The tories are also finding out now what good negotiators the DUP are, they are driving a hard bargain with the tories over a deal in parliament, so its rumoured now the tories could bring in members of the DUP on the UK Brexit negotiations team. The DUP are very experienced negotiators and have been negotiating with Sinn Fein in Northern Ireland since the good Friday agreement. They can bring a wealth of experience and negotiating expertise to the UK Brexit negotiating team. Looking forward to these brexit negotiations starting later today.
Ive never disputed that the UK also wanted citizen rights sorted as one of the first things.
What was in dispute was you claiming that Davis wanted Northern Ireland first and then you outrageously claimed that Davis won his first major victory against the EU. Then I had to show you that not only did David lose, but he himself said that to concede this point would be a blow to the UKs negotiating position.
So the tories are being bested by both the EU negotiating team and the DUP negotiating team and you think thats a good thing? And in regards to the DUP, how many international trade deals have they done?"
Brexit Negotiations with the EU are not purely about trade though are they, there are many other elements to it besides trade which the DUP could contribute to, mainly the negotiations around the Northern Ireland border. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs.
Unsurprisingly youre completely wrong. These are the actual numbers:
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/
On what planet do you think that the closest 27 countries are only 12% of the UKs exports. Or that the massive market that is the EU imports more from the UK than the other way round.
More lies from people trying to pretend that Brexit is in better shape than it is. Again, if you have to lie then maybe you're in the wrong...
No lies, facts. Remain is dead. The EU will be dead soon too.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-exports/
Have you actually read that link? It basically says the complete opposite to what you're saying.
I read where it says that Uk exports to EU are only 13% of our economy. That's the point. The other figure looks impressive until you realise we don't export much - we buy a lot.
Another point is that we export more to non EU countries.
We are the EUs single largest export market.
They are not ours. Exports to the EU are worth very little to our economy... 13%.
We need the EU like hole in the head.
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You think 13% is 'very little'?! If that is the case, then why do you have any problem with our membership of the EU anyway then? Considering our membership fee is 0.6% of our GDP.
Also the UK imported about £288bn from the EU in 2015. The GDP of the EU as a whole is about £12tn. So that represents about 2.3%. So by your logic the exports of the EU to the UK are worth about 2.3% of the EU's GDP. So tiny right? And much smaller than our 13%. So who's economy would it hurt more if we simply ceased trading?
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"Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs.
Unsurprisingly youre completely wrong. These are the actual numbers:
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/
On what planet do you think that the closest 27 countries are only 12% of the UKs exports. Or that the massive market that is the EU imports more from the UK than the other way round.
More lies from people trying to pretend that Brexit is in better shape than it is. Again, if you have to lie then maybe you're in the wrong...
No lies, facts. Remain is dead. The EU will be dead soon too.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-exports/
Have you actually read that link? It basically says the complete opposite to what you're saying.
I read where it says that Uk exports to EU are only 13% of our economy. That's the point. The other figure looks impressive until you realise we don't export much - we buy a lot.
Another point is that we export more to non EU countries.
We are the EUs single largest export market.
They are not ours. Exports to the EU are worth very little to our economy... 13%.
We need the EU like hole in the head.
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It's more than obvious you've not been watching what has been going on in the House of Commons too closely since the UK voted to Leave the EU. Rights of EU citizens living in the uk and uk citizens living in the EU has always been a priority for the UK government going back months before Africa 50 was even triggered. It was brought up time and time again in Brexit debates in the House of Commons going as far back as when Brexit debates first started there after the result of the referendum. You claim it is an EU priority, the fact of the matter is it is also a UK priority and always has been from the get go. Theresa May even tried to get a reciprocal deal done on this last Nov/Dec before article 50 was triggered in March but Angela Merkel refused, it's clear Merkel doesn't give a shit about EU citizens and she'd rather use them as bargaining chips. The mask of the EU well and truly slipped then, if EU citizens rights were really so much of a priority for the EU then they would've come to an agreement last Nov/Dec when an offer was put forward by the UK before article 50 was triggered. You can post all the links you like, actions speak louder than words and Merkels actions on this very issue last Nov/Dec shouted loud and clear the EU doesn't give a shit about the rights of its citizens. As for the Northern Ireland border it is very much working in the UK's favour to have this as a priority and one of the first items on the agenda in the talks. Now the Tories are working with the DUP in Parliament the DUP want this issue over the border to be sorted as a priority so it really is great news for the UK this is near the top of the agenda, it will promote harmony with the DUP in a Tory/DUP alliance. If you believe in fate then the cards have fallen into place very well for the UK so far, God works in mysterious ways as the saying goes.
The tories are also finding out now what good negotiators the DUP are, they are driving a hard bargain with the tories over a deal in parliament, so its rumoured now the tories could bring in members of the DUP on the UK Brexit negotiations team. The DUP are very experienced negotiators and have been negotiating with Sinn Fein in Northern Ireland since the good Friday agreement. They can bring a wealth of experience and negotiating expertise to the UK Brexit negotiating team. Looking forward to these brexit negotiations starting later today.
Ive never disputed that the UK also wanted citizen rights sorted as one of the first things.
What was in dispute was you claiming that Davis wanted Northern Ireland first and then you outrageously claimed that Davis won his first major victory against the EU. Then I had to show you that not only did David lose, but he himself said that to concede this point would be a blow to the UKs negotiating position.
So the tories are being bested by both the EU negotiating team and the DUP negotiating team and you think thats a good thing? And in regards to the DUP, how many international trade deals have they done?
Brexit Negotiations with the EU are not purely about trade though are they, there are many other elements to it besides trade which the DUP could contribute to, mainly the negotiations around the Northern Ireland border. "
Yes trade isnt the only thing that matters. And we've seen the success of the DUPs negotiations in the collapse of their government. Again.
Considering the DUP opposed things like the Good Friday Agreement and lost. The Anglo-Irish agreement and losong. Have managed to collapse the power sharing government repeatedly due to failed negotiations, what track record of success do they have in negotiations? ....well apart from besting the Tory negotiating team, but thats setting the bar pretty low. |
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"Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs.
Unsurprisingly youre completely wrong. These are the actual numbers:
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/
On what planet do you think that the closest 27 countries are only 12% of the UKs exports. Or that the massive market that is the EU imports more from the UK than the other way round.
More lies from people trying to pretend that Brexit is in better shape than it is. Again, if you have to lie then maybe you're in the wrong...
No lies, facts. Remain is dead. The EU will be dead soon too.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-exports/
Have you actually read that link? It basically says the complete opposite to what you're saying.
I read where it says that Uk exports to EU are only 13% of our economy. That's the point. The other figure looks impressive until you realise we don't export much - we buy a lot.
Another point is that we export more to non EU countries.
We are the EUs single largest export market.
They are not ours. Exports to the EU are worth very little to our economy... 13%.
We need the EU like hole in the head.
"
The UK's percentage of trade with the EU has been steadily declining for the last 20 years and our percentage of trade with countries outside of the EU has been growing over the last 20 years. It's clear where the direction of travel is and our future lies outside of the constraints of the EU. The EU puts up barriers to our trade with the rest of the world and prohibits our progress in that area. It's time to go back to our global trading roots which is where the high growth areas of the future will be outside of the EU. The only continent with lower economic growth than the EU is Antarctica. The EU's best days are behind it, it's time to pursue our interests in the global markets and not just a limited EU market. |
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"Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs.
Unsurprisingly youre completely wrong. These are the actual numbers:
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/
On what planet do you think that the closest 27 countries are only 12% of the UKs exports. Or that the massive market that is the EU imports more from the UK than the other way round.
More lies from people trying to pretend that Brexit is in better shape than it is. Again, if you have to lie then maybe you're in the wrong...
No lies, facts. Remain is dead. The EU will be dead soon too.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-exports/
Have you actually read that link? It basically says the complete opposite to what you're saying.
I read where it says that Uk exports to EU are only 13% of our economy. That's the point. The other figure looks impressive until you realise we don't export much - we buy a lot.
Another point is that we export more to non EU countries.
We are the EUs single largest export market.
They are not ours. Exports to the EU are worth very little to our economy... 13%.
We need the EU like hole in the head.
The UK's percentage of trade with the EU has been steadily declining for the last 20 years and our percentage of trade with countries outside of the EU has been growing over the last 20 years. It's clear where the direction of travel is and our future lies outside of the constraints of the EU. The EU puts up barriers to our trade with the rest of the world and prohibits our progress in that area. It's time to go back to our global trading roots which is where the high growth areas of the future will be outside of the EU. The only continent with lower economic growth than the EU is Antarctica. The EU's best days are behind it, it's time to pursue our interests in the global markets and not just a limited EU market. "
The EU country with the lowest growth right now is the UK. You guys are dragging the rest of us down with your poor economic performance since Brexit. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs.
Unsurprisingly youre completely wrong. These are the actual numbers:
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/
On what planet do you think that the closest 27 countries are only 12% of the UKs exports. Or that the massive market that is the EU imports more from the UK than the other way round.
More lies from people trying to pretend that Brexit is in better shape than it is. Again, if you have to lie then maybe you're in the wrong...
No lies, facts. Remain is dead. The EU will be dead soon too.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-exports/
Have you actually read that link? It basically says the complete opposite to what you're saying.
I read where it says that Uk exports to EU are only 13% of our economy. That's the point. The other figure looks impressive until you realise we don't export much - we buy a lot.
Another point is that we export more to non EU countries.
We are the EUs single largest export market.
They are not ours. Exports to the EU are worth very little to our economy... 13%.
We need the EU like hole in the head.
The UK's percentage of trade with the EU has been steadily declining for the last 20 years and our percentage of trade with countries outside of the EU has been growing over the last 20 years. It's clear where the direction of travel is and our future lies outside of the constraints of the EU. The EU puts up barriers to our trade with the rest of the world and prohibits our progress in that area. It's time to go back to our global trading roots which is where the high growth areas of the future will be outside of the EU. The only continent with lower economic growth than the EU is Antarctica. The EU's best days are behind it, it's time to pursue our interests in the global markets and not just a limited EU market. "
Wait? What?! The EU is a continent now?!
I think you've been sat in the sun too long Centaur.
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"Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs.
Unsurprisingly youre completely wrong. These are the actual numbers:
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/
On what planet do you think that the closest 27 countries are only 12% of the UKs exports. Or that the massive market that is the EU imports more from the UK than the other way round.
More lies from people trying to pretend that Brexit is in better shape than it is. Again, if you have to lie then maybe you're in the wrong...
No lies, facts. Remain is dead. The EU will be dead soon too.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-exports/
Have you actually read that link? It basically says the complete opposite to what you're saying.
I read where it says that Uk exports to EU are only 13% of our economy. That's the point. The other figure looks impressive until you realise we don't export much - we buy a lot.
Another point is that we export more to non EU countries.
We are the EUs single largest export market.
They are not ours. Exports to the EU are worth very little to our economy... 13%.
We need the EU like hole in the head.
You think 13% is 'very little'?! If that is the case, then why do you have any problem with our membership of the EU anyway then? Considering our membership fee is 0.6% of our GDP.
Also the UK imported about £288bn from the EU in 2015. The GDP of the EU as a whole is about £12tn. So that represents about 2.3%. So by your logic the exports of the EU to the UK are worth about 2.3% of the EU's GDP. So tiny right? And much smaller than our 13%. So who's economy would it hurt more if we simply ceased trading?
-Matt"
We won't cease trading. They won't ever turn out export market away. Ask VW et al
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"Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs.
Unsurprisingly youre completely wrong. These are the actual numbers:
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/
On what planet do you think that the closest 27 countries are only 12% of the UKs exports. Or that the massive market that is the EU imports more from the UK than the other way round.
More lies from people trying to pretend that Brexit is in better shape than it is. Again, if you have to lie then maybe you're in the wrong...
No lies, facts. Remain is dead. The EU will be dead soon too.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-exports/
Have you actually read that link? It basically says the complete opposite to what you're saying.
I read where it says that Uk exports to EU are only 13% of our economy. That's the point. The other figure looks impressive until you realise we don't export much - we buy a lot.
Another point is that we export more to non EU countries.
We are the EUs single largest export market.
They are not ours. Exports to the EU are worth very little to our economy... 13%.
We need the EU like hole in the head.
The UK's percentage of trade with the EU has been steadily declining for the last 20 years and our percentage of trade with countries outside of the EU has been growing over the last 20 years. It's clear where the direction of travel is and our future lies outside of the constraints of the EU. The EU puts up barriers to our trade with the rest of the world and prohibits our progress in that area. It's time to go back to our global trading roots which is where the high growth areas of the future will be outside of the EU. The only continent with lower economic growth than the EU is Antarctica. The EU's best days are behind it, it's time to pursue our interests in the global markets and not just a limited EU market.
The EU country with the lowest growth right now is the UK. You guys are dragging the rest of us down with your poor economic performance since Brexit."
No it's remainers who are undermining us and sabotaging brexit. It's remainers who have devalued markets strategically to serve the remain agenda. You and the EU are dragging us down. |
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"Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs.
Unsurprisingly youre completely wrong. These are the actual numbers:
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/
On what planet do you think that the closest 27 countries are only 12% of the UKs exports. Or that the massive market that is the EU imports more from the UK than the other way round.
More lies from people trying to pretend that Brexit is in better shape than it is. Again, if you have to lie then maybe you're in the wrong...
No lies, facts. Remain is dead. The EU will be dead soon too.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-exports/
Have you actually read that link? It basically says the complete opposite to what you're saying.
I read where it says that Uk exports to EU are only 13% of our economy. That's the point. The other figure looks impressive until you realise we don't export much - we buy a lot.
Another point is that we export more to non EU countries.
We are the EUs single largest export market.
They are not ours. Exports to the EU are worth very little to our economy... 13%.
We need the EU like hole in the head.
The UK's percentage of trade with the EU has been steadily declining for the last 20 years and our percentage of trade with countries outside of the EU has been growing over the last 20 years. It's clear where the direction of travel is and our future lies outside of the constraints of the EU. The EU puts up barriers to our trade with the rest of the world and prohibits our progress in that area. It's time to go back to our global trading roots which is where the high growth areas of the future will be outside of the EU. The only continent with lower economic growth than the EU is Antarctica. The EU's best days are behind it, it's time to pursue our interests in the global markets and not just a limited EU market.
The EU country with the lowest growth right now is the UK. You guys are dragging the rest of us down with your poor economic performance since Brexit.
No it's remainers who are undermining us and sabotaging brexit. It's remainers who have devalued markets strategically to serve the remain agenda. You and the EU are dragging us down. "
Everyone are secret remainers in the torys, including may, boris even osborne, noone believes in brexit and want to hold account for it, hence why so many in her party dont agree with her manifesto and steps down. |
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"Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs.
Unsurprisingly youre completely wrong. These are the actual numbers:
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/
On what planet do you think that the closest 27 countries are only 12% of the UKs exports. Or that the massive market that is the EU imports more from the UK than the other way round.
More lies from people trying to pretend that Brexit is in better shape than it is. Again, if you have to lie then maybe you're in the wrong...
No lies, facts. Remain is dead. The EU will be dead soon too.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-exports/
Have you actually read that link? It basically says the complete opposite to what you're saying.
I read where it says that Uk exports to EU are only 13% of our economy. That's the point. The other figure looks impressive until you realise we don't export much - we buy a lot.
Another point is that we export more to non EU countries.
We are the EUs single largest export market.
They are not ours. Exports to the EU are worth very little to our economy... 13%.
We need the EU like hole in the head.
The UK's percentage of trade with the EU has been steadily declining for the last 20 years and our percentage of trade with countries outside of the EU has been growing over the last 20 years. It's clear where the direction of travel is and our future lies outside of the constraints of the EU. The EU puts up barriers to our trade with the rest of the world and prohibits our progress in that area. It's time to go back to our global trading roots which is where the high growth areas of the future will be outside of the EU. The only continent with lower economic growth than the EU is Antarctica. The EU's best days are behind it, it's time to pursue our interests in the global markets and not just a limited EU market. "
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs.
Unsurprisingly youre completely wrong. These are the actual numbers:
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/
On what planet do you think that the closest 27 countries are only 12% of the UKs exports. Or that the massive market that is the EU imports more from the UK than the other way round.
More lies from people trying to pretend that Brexit is in better shape than it is. Again, if you have to lie then maybe you're in the wrong...
No lies, facts. Remain is dead. The EU will be dead soon too.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-exports/
Have you actually read that link? It basically says the complete opposite to what you're saying.
I read where it says that Uk exports to EU are only 13% of our economy. That's the point. The other figure looks impressive until you realise we don't export much - we buy a lot.
Another point is that we export more to non EU countries.
We are the EUs single largest export market.
They are not ours. Exports to the EU are worth very little to our economy... 13%.
We need the EU like hole in the head.
You think 13% is 'very little'?! If that is the case, then why do you have any problem with our membership of the EU anyway then? Considering our membership fee is 0.6% of our GDP.
Also the UK imported about £288bn from the EU in 2015. The GDP of the EU as a whole is about £12tn. So that represents about 2.3%. So by your logic the exports of the EU to the UK are worth about 2.3% of the EU's GDP. So tiny right? And much smaller than our 13%. So who's economy would it hurt more if we simply ceased trading?
-Matt
We won't cease trading. They won't ever turn out export market away. Ask VW et al
Difference is it won't be on their terms anymore. The customer is always right."
No, of course we wouldn't just cease trading. But the point being you have no idea what the numbers you are spouting actually mean. Even when you give the source of those numbers you don't understand what is clearly written there. You then also have no idea how those numbers relate to each other.
So, you are basing your judgement on how we might stand up in negotiations with the EU on trade deals on numbers you can't even quote correctly. Hence you are coming to the wrong conclusion.
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs.
Unsurprisingly youre completely wrong. These are the actual numbers:
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/
On what planet do you think that the closest 27 countries are only 12% of the UKs exports. Or that the massive market that is the EU imports more from the UK than the other way round.
More lies from people trying to pretend that Brexit is in better shape than it is. Again, if you have to lie then maybe you're in the wrong...
No lies, facts. Remain is dead. The EU will be dead soon too.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-exports/
Have you actually read that link? It basically says the complete opposite to what you're saying.
I read where it says that Uk exports to EU are only 13% of our economy. That's the point. The other figure looks impressive until you realise we don't export much - we buy a lot.
Another point is that we export more to non EU countries.
We are the EUs single largest export market.
They are not ours. Exports to the EU are worth very little to our economy... 13%.
We need the EU like hole in the head.
The UK's percentage of trade with the EU has been steadily declining for the last 20 years and our percentage of trade with countries outside of the EU has been growing over the last 20 years. It's clear where the direction of travel is and our future lies outside of the constraints of the EU. The EU puts up barriers to our trade with the rest of the world and prohibits our progress in that area. It's time to go back to our global trading roots which is where the high growth areas of the future will be outside of the EU. The only continent with lower economic growth than the EU is Antarctica. The EU's best days are behind it, it's time to pursue our interests in the global markets and not just a limited EU market.
The EU country with the lowest growth right now is the UK. You guys are dragging the rest of us down with your poor economic performance since Brexit.
No it's remainers who are undermining us and sabotaging brexit. It's remainers who have devalued markets strategically to serve the remain agenda. You and the EU are dragging us down. "
"Remainers who have devalued markets strategically"?! What crack are you smoking? It is the leavers that keep saying that the value of the pound dropping is supposedly a good thing as it improves out exports (despite us importing more than we export). It is the leavers that keep pointing to the soaring FTSE 100 and saying "Look! It goes up! All is good!" despite being unable to comprehend that it has only gone up due to our currency plummeting. And considering the EU as a whole are doing better economically than the UK on its own, how is the EU dragging the UK down? Surely if anything, it is the UK dragging the EU average down.
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"Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs."
Percentages are great at hiding stuff.
Can someone please post the import/export stuff in pound notes or Eurostar or whatever.
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No it's remainers who are undermining us and sabotaging brexit. It's remainers who have devalued markets strategically to serve the remain agenda. You and the EU are dragging us down. "
Ha ha, I think your tin foil hat is showing! Remainers arent undermining Brexit, theyre disagreeing with the direction. And do you really think that theres some Remain all powerful conspiracy thats devaluing strategically important markets???
You've lost the plot. Particularly since Brexit is the sabotage. |
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"Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs.
Percentages are great at hiding stuff.
Can someone please post the import/export stuff in pound notes or Eurostar or whatever.
I'd look myself but I'm getting bored of the slagging off.....just give us tgecfugures tgen we can make our own minds up!"
The UK exported ~£230bn to the EU and the EU exported £290 to the UK.
But the reason its important to focus on the percentages is because thats where the real value is. If I lose €100 that will ruin my day. Bill Gates makes more than that in the time it took you to read this sentence.
So if the UK and EU trade were to be cut in half because of Brexit (for example), the EU would lose out on more cold hard cash but its losing 4.5% of its exports which isn't great but not the worst. The UK would lose out on 24% and no country could lose out on that much without hitting a recession. |
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By *ir1967Man
over a year ago
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"Your numbers are wrong. Uk is more like 16.8 % of EU exports and EU is more like 12% (2015) of ours wevexport more to non eu countries. They are NOT our best customer but are theirs.
Percentages are great at hiding stuff.
Can someone please post the import/export stuff in pound notes or Eurostar or whatever.
I'd look myself but I'm getting bored of the slagging off.....just give us tgecfugures tgen we can make our own minds up!
The UK exported ~£230bn to the EU and the EU exported £290 to the UK.
But the reason its important to focus on the percentages is because thats where the real value is. If I lose €100 that will ruin my day. Bill Gates makes more than that in the time it took you to read this sentence.
So if the UK and EU trade were to be cut in half because of Brexit (for example), the EU would lose out on more cold hard cash but its losing 4.5% of its exports which isn't great but not the worst. The UK would lose out on 24% and no country could lose out on that much without hitting a recession."
Trust the leavers, the common wealth will fill the gap. I remember that I read in UK tabloids during the Brain Exit campaign those common wealth countries are queuing already to secure a great deal with the free and independent U.K. Maybe reintroduction of imperial or colonial rule will also help. Naw, not needed, any foreign company can exploit now kids in Bangladesh in sweat workshops without troops on the ground , so no need for reintroduction of British colonial rule to fill a tiny gap of export loss to the EU due to Brexit. But one can count on Donald may be as a Brexit supporter , he may gives a helping hand and makes sure the UK is first in line for a free trade agreement, well at US favorable terms of course , America first! |
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