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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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I know people in England hail Ruth Davidson as this great woman but is she fuck.
2014 stance - Ruth Davidson told the Scottish people to vote no in the Scottish referendum and the EU would be safe in the UK this was bullshit as now we all know the EU is not safe in the UK
Lets take a stance step by step on the EU and single market.
Before and after the EU referendum here is what she was telling people.
1. Leave campaign are lying to you
2.Staying in the Single Market should be the “overriding priority
3.UK should stay in the Single Market even if that means keeping freedom of movement.
4.Backs Theresa May’s hard Brexit plan
5.Votes against Single Market membership in the Scottish Parliament.
6. Scottish Tory manifesto backs leaving the Single Market.
7.Calls for an open/softer Brexit.
Now lets go onto her stop a independence referendum stance.
1. She said if the Scottish people/ Scottish Parliament vote to have another independence referendum the PM should NOT block one.
2. The Scottish Tories stood on a stop a independence referendum in their manifesto and they were rejected in Scotland they lost simple fact.
3. Ruth Davidson has been lying to the Scottish people. Thats why she's been asking the SNP to take Indy Ref 2 off the table - if she or the Tories in London had any legal power to stop it dead in it's tracks they would have done so long before now.
Think about it the Scottish Parliament had a democratic vote in Holyrood and passed to allow a 2nd independence referendum to take place. If the Tories and other unionist parties cant accept that vote they are pretty much everyone that the Scotland Act is something you can wipe your arse on and holds no power.
The new 12 Scottish Tory mp's will have pretty much no effect as their parties policy on EVEL English votes for English laws and screwed them. Now Theresa May will have to u-turn again on things like Grammer schools and social care and brexit lmao
Wake up people the Tories are fucking the UK right over and the world is watching and pissing themselves laugh.
Never ever trust a Tory. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Must hurt knowing the woman that you continually slagged off, is now the woman of the moment in Scotland.  "
Lmao yeah ok the woman that couldnt win an election in 2016 and now in 2017.
Doesnt hurt one bit as the Tories keep on getting rejected in Scotland. |
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over a year ago
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"Must hurt knowing the woman that you continually slagged off, is now the woman of the moment in Scotland.
Lmao yeah ok the woman that couldnt win an election in 2016 and now in 2017.
Doesnt hurt one bit as the Tories keep on getting rejected in Scotland. "
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Must hurt knowing the woman that you continually slagged off, is now the woman of the moment in Scotland.
Lmao yeah ok the woman that couldnt win an election in 2016 and now in 2017.
Doesnt hurt one bit as the Tories keep on getting rejected in Scotland. "
You do know that winning a battle isn't the same as winning a war?
NS minus 37% seats
RD plus 120% seats
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
The Council of Elrond |
"Must hurt knowing the woman that you continually slagged off, is now the woman of the moment in Scotland.
Lmao yeah ok the woman that couldnt win an election in 2016 and now in 2017.
Doesnt hurt one bit as the Tories keep on getting rejected in Scotland.
You do know that winning a battle isn't the same as winning a war?
NS minus 37% seats
RD plus 120% seats
But hey, you keep seeing it the way that you do if it makes you happy"
In the UK election which is first past the post system there is 59 Scottish seats the SNP took 35 Scottish seats thats a majority while the Scottish Tories could 12 Scottish seats who won again ? Lol
Also i notice how people skip right over all the u-turns Ruth Davidson has made like it doesnt matter what she says.
You would think Ruth Davidson is the FM of Scotland they way the media are acting right now by her asking for a open/softer brexit you know like the real FM of Scotland has been saying since day 1 now the media clock on because Ruth says the MSP that does not stand in Westminster lmao |
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"Must hurt knowing the woman that you continually slagged off, is now the woman of the moment in Scotland.
Lmao yeah ok the woman that couldnt win an election in 2016 and now in 2017.
Doesnt hurt one bit as the Tories keep on getting rejected in Scotland.
You do know that winning a battle isn't the same as winning a war?
NS minus 37% seats
RD plus 120% seats
But hey, you keep seeing it the way that you do if it makes you happy
In the UK election which is first past the post system there is 59 Scottish seats the SNP took 35 Scottish seats thats a majority while the Scottish Tories could 12 Scottish seats who won again ? Lol
Also i notice how people skip right over all the u-turns Ruth Davidson has made like it doesnt matter what she says.
You would think Ruth Davidson is the FM of Scotland they way the media are acting right now by her asking for a open/softer brexit you know like the real FM of Scotland has been saying since day 1 now the media clock on because Ruth says the MSP that does not stand in Westminster lmao"
.....Like you skip over the U-turns Alex Salmond and the SNP made when they said indyref was a "once is a generation/lifetime opportunity". |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
The Council of Elrond |
"Must hurt knowing the woman that you continually slagged off, is now the woman of the moment in Scotland.
Lmao yeah ok the woman that couldnt win an election in 2016 and now in 2017.
Doesnt hurt one bit as the Tories keep on getting rejected in Scotland.
You do know that winning a battle isn't the same as winning a war?
NS minus 37% seats
RD plus 120% seats
But hey, you keep seeing it the way that you do if it makes you happy
In the UK election which is first past the post system there is 59 Scottish seats the SNP took 35 Scottish seats thats a majority while the Scottish Tories could 12 Scottish seats who won again ? Lol
Also i notice how people skip right over all the u-turns Ruth Davidson has made like it doesnt matter what she says.
You would think Ruth Davidson is the FM of Scotland they way the media are acting right now by her asking for a open/softer brexit you know like the real FM of Scotland has been saying since day 1 now the media clock on because Ruth says the MSP that does not stand in Westminster lmao
.....Like you skip over the U-turns Alex Salmond and the SNP made when they said indyref was a "once is a generation/lifetime opportunity". "
Have you read the Edinburgh Agreement can you show me where it says there wont be another independence referendum until a generation pasts ? Also who gets to decide when a generation is ?
I know the pro union support seems to think the SNP have not respected the 2014 no vote but can you answer this is Scotland independent right now ? So they have respected it as they could have called for independence back in 2014 but they didnt.
What they have done is put an independence referendum in their manifesto if Scotland get dragged out of the EU and won a mandate and now have a triple look mandate
you cant pick and choose what parts of democracy you want and dont want maybe if the unionist branch offices won elections they can put it off the table but hey the need to win first which they clearly havent.
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Must hurt knowing the woman that you continually slagged off, is now the woman of the moment in Scotland.
Lmao yeah ok the woman that couldnt win an election in 2016 and now in 2017.
Doesnt hurt one bit as the Tories keep on getting rejected in Scotland.
You do know that winning a battle isn't the same as winning a war?
NS minus 37% seats
RD plus 120% seats
But hey, you keep seeing it the way that you do if it makes you happy
In the UK election which is first past the post system there is 59 Scottish seats the SNP took 35 Scottish seats thats a majority while the Scottish Tories could 12 Scottish seats who won again ? Lol
Also i notice how people skip right over all the u-turns Ruth Davidson has made like it doesnt matter what she says.
You would think Ruth Davidson is the FM of Scotland they way the media are acting right now by her asking for a open/softer brexit you know like the real FM of Scotland has been saying since day 1 now the media clock on because Ruth says the MSP that does not stand in Westminster lmao
.....Like you skip over the U-turns Alex Salmond and the SNP made when they said indyref was a "once is a generation/lifetime opportunity".
Have you read the Edinburgh Agreement can you show me where it says there wont be another independence referendum until a generation pasts ? Also who gets to decide when a generation is ?
I know the pro union support seems to think the SNP have not respected the 2014 no vote but can you answer this is Scotland independent right now ? So they have respected it as they could have called for independence back in 2014 but they didnt.
What they have done is put an independence referendum in their manifesto if Scotland get dragged out of the EU and won a mandate and now have a triple look mandate
you cant pick and choose what parts of democracy you want and dont want maybe if the unionist branch offices won elections they can put it off the table but hey the need to win first which they clearly havent.
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Maybe time for some new material? Are you doing the fringe with your act this year? |
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"Must hurt knowing the woman that you continually slagged off, is now the woman of the moment in Scotland.
Lmao yeah ok the woman that couldnt win an election in 2016 and now in 2017.
Doesnt hurt one bit as the Tories keep on getting rejected in Scotland.
You do know that winning a battle isn't the same as winning a war?
NS minus 37% seats
RD plus 120% seats
But hey, you keep seeing it the way that you do if it makes you happy
In the UK election which is first past the post system there is 59 Scottish seats the SNP took 35 Scottish seats thats a majority while the Scottish Tories could 12 Scottish seats who won again ? Lol
Also i notice how people skip right over all the u-turns Ruth Davidson has made like it doesnt matter what she says.
You would think Ruth Davidson is the FM of Scotland they way the media are acting right now by her asking for a open/softer brexit you know like the real FM of Scotland has been saying since day 1 now the media clock on because Ruth says the MSP that does not stand in Westminster lmao"
To be honest you sound just as much out if touch with reality as the Conservatives claiming they won the election down here.
We all know that in the UK the Conservatives technically and actually won the general election and Labour came second.
We also all know that in Scotland the SNP technically and actually won and the Conservatives came second.
But it's a pretty hollow victory, for the SNP in Scotland and the Conservatives in the UK, when you end up with less after the campaign than you had before you started.
If Sturgeon wants to push ahead with indyRef2 she still has her holyrood parliament mandate to fall back on and, as you do, a mandate from the GE to do the same.
In the same way if May wants to carry on with a hard BREXIT she can still fall back (although less so than Sturgeon) on the EU referendum and, as many on here do, a mandate from the GE to do the same.
However the trend definitely seem to be going against both of them and pushing to hard for either of them is probably going to push them both further away than they are now. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
The Council of Elrond |
"Must hurt knowing the woman that you continually slagged off, is now the woman of the moment in Scotland.
Lmao yeah ok the woman that couldnt win an election in 2016 and now in 2017.
Doesnt hurt one bit as the Tories keep on getting rejected in Scotland.
You do know that winning a battle isn't the same as winning a war?
NS minus 37% seats
RD plus 120% seats
But hey, you keep seeing it the way that you do if it makes you happy
In the UK election which is first past the post system there is 59 Scottish seats the SNP took 35 Scottish seats thats a majority while the Scottish Tories could 12 Scottish seats who won again ? Lol
Also i notice how people skip right over all the u-turns Ruth Davidson has made like it doesnt matter what she says.
You would think Ruth Davidson is the FM of Scotland they way the media are acting right now by her asking for a open/softer brexit you know like the real FM of Scotland has been saying since day 1 now the media clock on because Ruth says the MSP that does not stand in Westminster lmao
To be honest you sound just as much out if touch with reality as the Conservatives claiming they won the election down here.
We all know that in the UK the Conservatives technically and actually won the general election and Labour came second.
We also all know that in Scotland the SNP technically and actually won and the Conservatives came second.
But it's a pretty hollow victory, for the SNP in Scotland and the Conservatives in the UK, when you end up with less after the campaign than you had before you started.
If Sturgeon wants to push ahead with indyRef2 she still has her holyrood parliament mandate to fall back on and, as you do, a mandate from the GE to do the same.
In the same way if May wants to carry on with a hard BREXIT she can still fall back (although less so than Sturgeon) on the EU referendum and, as many on here do, a mandate from the GE to do the same.
However the trend definitely seem to be going against both of them and pushing to hard for either of them is probably going to push them both further away than they are now."
The Tories didnt win they couldnt get their majority where as in Scotland the SNP did yes DID win a majority of Scottish seats
Trend is going against independence ? Funny that as the polls have been neck and neck for months and again i hate pointing it out independence is far bigger than any party the SNP are a route to get there.
As people will be aware or maybe not there will be voters are pro indy and voted Labour cause of Corbyn they may not agree with SNP but like i said independence is far bigger than any party.Some people may have been fed up voting we dont know but those that did vote in Scotland gave the SNP a majority of Scottish seats and a triple lock mandate.
Now the ball is in the Tories court get hard brexit to fuck which will piss off leave voters lol or Scotland will have a referendum because if they really were going to say no referendum on Scottish independence they would have done so long ago but they know the SNP have a mandate and it wouldnt look good to block a governments mandate when the Tories now do not have a mandate for hard brexit interesting times ahead for the unequal UK union. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Must hurt knowing the woman that you continually slagged off, is now the woman of the moment in Scotland.
Lmao yeah ok the woman that couldnt win an election in 2016 and now in 2017.
Doesnt hurt one bit as the Tories keep on getting rejected in Scotland.
You do know that winning a battle isn't the same as winning a war?
NS minus 37% seats
RD plus 120% seats
But hey, you keep seeing it the way that you do if it makes you happy
In the UK election which is first past the post system there is 59 Scottish seats the SNP took 35 Scottish seats thats a majority while the Scottish Tories could 12 Scottish seats who won again ? Lol
Also i notice how people skip right over all the u-turns Ruth Davidson has made like it doesnt matter what she says.
You would think Ruth Davidson is the FM of Scotland they way the media are acting right now by her asking for a open/softer brexit you know like the real FM of Scotland has been saying since day 1 now the media clock on because Ruth says the MSP that does not stand in Westminster lmao
To be honest you sound just as much out if touch with reality as the Conservatives claiming they won the election down here.
We all know that in the UK the Conservatives technically and actually won the general election and Labour came second.
We also all know that in Scotland the SNP technically and actually won and the Conservatives came second.
But it's a pretty hollow victory, for the SNP in Scotland and the Conservatives in the UK, when you end up with less after the campaign than you had before you started.
If Sturgeon wants to push ahead with indyRef2 she still has her holyrood parliament mandate to fall back on and, as you do, a mandate from the GE to do the same.
In the same way if May wants to carry on with a hard BREXIT she can still fall back (although less so than Sturgeon) on the EU referendum and, as many on here do, a mandate from the GE to do the same.
However the trend definitely seem to be going against both of them and pushing to hard for either of them is probably going to push them both further away than they are now.
The Tories didnt win they couldnt get their majority where as in Scotland the SNP did yes DID win a majority of Scottish seats
Trend is going against independence ? Funny that as the polls have been neck and neck for months and again i hate pointing it out independence is far bigger than any party the SNP are a route to get there.
As people will be aware or maybe not there will be voters are pro indy and voted Labour cause of Corbyn they may not agree with SNP but like i said independence is far bigger than any party.Some people may have been fed up voting we dont know but those that did vote in Scotland gave the SNP a majority of Scottish seats and a triple lock mandate.
Now the ball is in the Tories court get hard brexit to fuck which will piss off leave voters lol or Scotland will have a referendum because if they really were going to say no referendum on Scottish independence they would have done so long ago but they know the SNP have a mandate and it wouldnt look good to block a governments mandate when the Tories now do not have a mandate for hard brexit interesting times ahead for the unequal UK union. "
Ok so you do not like the tories we got the message now please give it a rest |
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Complete nonsense as usual.
snp minority government has a mandate?
Conservative minority government doesn't have a mandate?
Sorry to tell you, but your incoherent ramblings and confused rational are pointing to someone who is becoming detached from reality. Your desire for independence has been rejected by the people of Scotland, again!
Accept it and get on with your life. |
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"Must hurt knowing the woman that you continually slagged off, is now the woman of the moment in Scotland.
Lmao yeah ok the woman that couldnt win an election in 2016 and now in 2017.
Doesnt hurt one bit as the Tories keep on getting rejected in Scotland.
You do know that winning a battle isn't the same as winning a war?
NS minus 37% seats
RD plus 120% seats
But hey, you keep seeing it the way that you do if it makes you happy
In the UK election which is first past the post system there is 59 Scottish seats the SNP took 35 Scottish seats thats a majority while the Scottish Tories could 12 Scottish seats who won again ? Lol
Also i notice how people skip right over all the u-turns Ruth Davidson has made like it doesnt matter what she says.
You would think Ruth Davidson is the FM of Scotland they way the media are acting right now by her asking for a open/softer brexit you know like the real FM of Scotland has been saying since day 1 now the media clock on because Ruth says the MSP that does not stand in Westminster lmao
To be honest you sound just as much out if touch with reality as the Conservatives claiming they won the election down here.
We all know that in the UK the Conservatives technically and actually won the general election and Labour came second.
We also all know that in Scotland the SNP technically and actually won and the Conservatives came second.
But it's a pretty hollow victory, for the SNP in Scotland and the Conservatives in the UK, when you end up with less after the campaign than you had before you started.
If Sturgeon wants to push ahead with indyRef2 she still has her holyrood parliament mandate to fall back on and, as you do, a mandate from the GE to do the same.
In the same way if May wants to carry on with a hard BREXIT she can still fall back (although less so than Sturgeon) on the EU referendum and, as many on here do, a mandate from the GE to do the same.
However the trend definitely seem to be going against both of them and pushing to hard for either of them is probably going to push them both further away than they are now.
The Tories didnt win they couldnt get their majority where as in Scotland the SNP did yes DID win a majority of Scottish seats
Trend is going against independence ? Funny that as the polls have been neck and neck for months and again i hate pointing it out independence is far bigger than any party the SNP are a route to get there.
As people will be aware or maybe not there will be voters are pro indy and voted Labour cause of Corbyn they may not agree with SNP but like i said independence is far bigger than any party.Some people may have been fed up voting we dont know but those that did vote in Scotland gave the SNP a majority of Scottish seats and a triple lock mandate.
Now the ball is in the Tories court get hard brexit to fuck which will piss off leave voters lol or Scotland will have a referendum because if they really were going to say no referendum on Scottish independence they would have done so long ago but they know the SNP have a mandate and it wouldnt look good to block a governments mandate when the Tories now do not have a mandate for hard brexit interesting times ahead for the unequal UK union. "
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"Complete nonsense as usual.
snp minority government has a mandate?
Conservative minority government doesn't have a mandate?
Sorry to tell you, but your incoherent ramblings and confused rational are pointing to someone who is becoming detached from reality. Your desire for independence has been rejected by the people of Scotland, again!
Accept it and get on with your life. "
Rejected again ? im pretty sure that was a ge and snp won the most seats ,i for one will sit and wait for the brexit talks see what comes of it although i dont think uk will get a great deal and also the tories and their paramilitary terrorist friends will totally divide the country and by that time im pretty sure independence will be a landslide |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Complete nonsense as usual.
snp minority government has a mandate?
Conservative minority government doesn't have a mandate?
Sorry to tell you, but your incoherent ramblings and confused rational are pointing to someone who is becoming detached from reality. Your desire for independence has been rejected by the people of Scotland, again!
Accept it and get on with your life. "
Rejected again ? im pretty sure that was a ge and snp won the most seats ,i for one will sit and wait for the brexit talks see what comes of it although i dont think uk will get a great deal and also the tories and their paramilitary terrorist friends will totally divide the country and by that time im pretty sure independence will be a landslide |
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"Complete nonsense as usual.
snp minority government has a mandate?
Conservative minority government doesn't have a mandate?
Sorry to tell you, but your incoherent ramblings and confused rational are pointing to someone who is becoming detached from reality. Your desire for independence has been rejected by the people of Scotland, again!
Accept it and get on with your life.
Rejected again ? im pretty sure that was a ge and snp won the most seats ,i for one will sit and wait for the brexit talks see what comes of it although i dont think uk will get a great deal and also the tories and their paramilitary terrorist friends will totally divide the country and by that time im pretty sure independence will be a landslide "
The idea of a hard BREXIT, possibly even any BREXIT, is rapidly dying. BREXITers just don't realise it yet. Whilst not in favour of Scottish independence or even another indyRef, I have always agreed that, if Scotland is forced out of the single market and/or customs union, Sturgeon has a valid mandate from 2015 to ask for another indyRef. However, if at the end of this BREXIT madness, the UK, and Scotland in particular, remain in the Single Market and the customs union then that mandate no longer exists. I think that's also pretty much what Sturgeon herself is saying to. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Complete nonsense as usual.
snp minority government has a mandate?
Conservative minority government doesn't have a mandate?
Sorry to tell you, but your incoherent ramblings and confused rational are pointing to someone who is becoming detached from reality. Your desire for independence has been rejected by the people of Scotland, again!
Accept it and get on with your life.
Rejected again ? im pretty sure that was a ge and snp won the most seats ,i for one will sit and wait for the brexit talks see what comes of it although i dont think uk will get a great deal and also the tories and their paramilitary terrorist friends will totally divide the country and by that time im pretty sure independence will be a landslide
The idea of a hard BREXIT, possibly even any BREXIT, is rapidly dying. BREXITers just don't realise it yet. Whilst not in favour of Scottish independence or even another indyRef, I have always agreed that, if Scotland is forced out of the single market and/or customs union, Sturgeon has a valid mandate from 2015 to ask for another indyRef. However, if at the end of this BREXIT madness, the UK, and Scotland in particular, remain in the Single Market and the customs union then that mandate no longer exists. I think that's also pretty much what Sturgeon herself is saying to."
Yes i agree |
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"I know people in England hail Ruth Davidson as this great woman but is she fuck.
2014 stance - Ruth Davidson told the Scottish people to vote no in the Scottish referendum and the EU would be safe in the UK this was bullshit as now we all know the EU is not safe in the UK
Lets take a stance step by step on the EU and single market.
Before and after the EU referendum here is what she was telling people.
1. Leave campaign are lying to you
2.Staying in the Single Market should be the “overriding priority
3.UK should stay in the Single Market even if that means keeping freedom of movement.
4.Backs Theresa May’s hard Brexit plan
5.Votes against Single Market membership in the Scottish Parliament.
6. Scottish Tory manifesto backs leaving the Single Market.
7.Calls for an open/softer Brexit.
Now lets go onto her stop a independence referendum stance.
1. She said if the Scottish people/ Scottish Parliament vote to have another independence referendum the PM should NOT block one.
2. The Scottish Tories stood on a stop a independence referendum in their manifesto and they were rejected in Scotland they lost simple fact.
3. Ruth Davidson has been lying to the Scottish people. Thats why she's been asking the SNP to take Indy Ref 2 off the table - if she or the Tories in London had any legal power to stop it dead in it's tracks they would have done so long before now.
Think about it the Scottish Parliament had a democratic vote in Holyrood and passed to allow a 2nd independence referendum to take place. If the Tories and other unionist parties cant accept that vote they are pretty much everyone that the Scotland Act is something you can wipe your arse on and holds no power.
The new 12 Scottish Tory mp's will have pretty much no effect as their parties policy on EVEL English votes for English laws and screwed them. Now Theresa May will have to u-turn again on things like Grammer schools and social care and brexit lmao
Wake up people the Tories are fucking the UK right over and the world is watching and pissing themselves laugh.
Never ever trust a Tory. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Must hurt knowing the woman that you continually slagged off, is now the woman of the moment in Scotland.
Lmao yeah ok the woman that couldnt win an election in 2016 and now in 2017.
Doesnt hurt one bit as the Tories keep on getting rejected in Scotland.
You do know that winning a battle isn't the same as winning a war?
NS minus 37% seats
RD plus 120% seats
But hey, you keep seeing it the way that you do if it makes you happy
In the UK election which is first past the post system there is 59 Scottish seats the SNP took 35 Scottish seats thats a majority while the Scottish Tories could 12 Scottish seats who won again ? Lol
Also i notice how people skip right over all the u-turns Ruth Davidson has made like it doesnt matter what she says.
You would think Ruth Davidson is the FM of Scotland they way the media are acting right now by her asking for a open/softer brexit you know like the real FM of Scotland has been saying since day 1 now the media clock on because Ruth says the MSP that does not stand in Westminster lmao
.....Like you skip over the U-turns Alex Salmond and the SNP made when they said indyref was a "once is a generation/lifetime opportunity".
Have you read the Edinburgh Agreement can you show me where it says there wont be another independence referendum until a generation pasts ? Also who gets to decide when a generation is ?
I know the pro union support seems to think the SNP have not respected the 2014 no vote but can you answer this is Scotland independent right now ? So they have respected it as they could have called for independence back in 2014 but they didnt.
What they have done is put an independence referendum in their manifesto if Scotland get dragged out of the EU and won a mandate and now have a triple look mandate
you cant pick and choose what parts of democracy you want and dont want maybe if the unionist branch offices won elections they can put it off the table but hey the need to win first which they clearly havent.
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Salmon and Sturgeon both said it was a once in a generation vote....but only in Scotland could you claim a generation is three years! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The problem the Nats have is not with Ruth she will maybe take another 6 seats on top of her present total.
But with Labour slashing the Nat majorities all over scotland,,,The SNP is hearing the fat lady warming her tonsils....Nicola needs some new policies and quick...Oh and the same grievance tactics ?.....
They are just like Strong and Stable.. so beyond parody now |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Must hurt knowing the woman that you continually slagged off, is now the woman of the moment in Scotland.
Lmao yeah ok the woman that couldnt win an election in 2016 and now in 2017.
Doesnt hurt one bit as the Tories keep on getting rejected in Scotland.
You do know that winning a battle isn't the same as winning a war?
NS minus 37% seats
RD plus 120% seats
But hey, you keep seeing it the way that you do if it makes you happy
In the UK election which is first past the post system there is 59 Scottish seats the SNP took 35 Scottish seats thats a majority while the Scottish Tories could 12 Scottish seats who won again ? Lol
Also i notice how people skip right over all the u-turns Ruth Davidson has made like it doesnt matter what she says.
You would think Ruth Davidson is the FM of Scotland they way the media are acting right now by her asking for a open/softer brexit you know like the real FM of Scotland has been saying since day 1 now the media clock on because Ruth says the MSP that does not stand in Westminster lmao
.....Like you skip over the U-turns Alex Salmond and the SNP made when they said indyref was a "once is a generation/lifetime opportunity".
Have you read the Edinburgh Agreement can you show me where it says there wont be another independence referendum until a generation pasts ? Also who gets to decide when a generation is ?
I know the pro union support seems to think the SNP have not respected the 2014 no vote but can you answer this is Scotland independent right now ? So they have respected it as they could have called for independence back in 2014 but they didnt.
What they have done is put an independence referendum in their manifesto if Scotland get dragged out of the EU and won a mandate and now have a triple look mandate
you cant pick and choose what parts of democracy you want and dont want maybe if the unionist branch offices won elections they can put it off the table but hey the need to win first which they clearly havent.
Salmon and Sturgeon both said it was a once in a generation vote....but only in Scotland could you claim a generation is three years!"
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By *andACouple
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Right so who decides how many years is a generation ? "
Words have meanings, when we speak or write these words they rely on these common meanings or else language would just be noise. As with any words if you're unsure about the meaning a dictionary can help out.
In this case a quick search of the word generation gives the following meaning: 'the average period, generally considered to be about thirty years, in which children grow up, become adults, and have children of their own.'
If you wish to change the meaning of words and bring 'generation' down to 3 years then you also can't complain if someone changes the definition of 'referendum' to mean 'I'll only ask people who agree that the answer should be no'. Anything else would be double standards. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"The problem the Nats have is not with Ruth she will maybe take another 6 seats on top of her present total.
But with Labour slashing the Nat majorities all over scotland,,,The SNP is hearing the fat lady warming her tonsils....Nicola needs some new policies and quick...Oh and the same grievance tactics ?.....
They are just like Strong and Stable.. so beyond parody now "
The unionists branch offices in Scotland are a fucking joke the Scottish Tories and media would have you all believe they won the election in Scotland with a mere 13 seats out of 59 Scottish seats lmao
Scottish Labour with no clue Kezia is a fucking laughing stock pretty much told people in the highlands and borders to go and vote Tory how that went tits up for her if she would have stopped with her stop the SNP at any cost then she could have handed Corbyn more Labour seats but no the woman that has a damn law degree couldnt figure it out
What am seeing in Scotland is some pro union supporters seem to be more than happy about letting the Tories back and propped up with the DUP than have Labour , SNP and other parties in power sad sad fucking day when you have Tory fans in Scotland.
Nicola needs new policies yet won the Scottish election and UK election in 2016 and 2017 and the unionist branch offices were rejected no no i think they need new polices as clearly the Scottish votes aint listening to their piss poor policies and without challenge no one seems to give a fucking shit about how Labour or the Tories in Scotland were going to do to help Scotland it was all about independence with the unionist branch offices and people fell for it when i vote in Holyrood took place and democratically passed and should be respected or its just another case to say this is NOT a equal partnership and family of nations in the UK
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Right so who decides how many years is a generation ?
Words have meanings, when we speak or write these words they rely on these common meanings or else language would just be noise. As with any words if you're unsure about the meaning a dictionary can help out.
In this case a quick search of the word generation gives the following meaning: 'the average period, generally considered to be about thirty years, in which children grow up, become adults, and have children of their own.'
If you wish to change the meaning of words and bring 'generation' down to 3 years then you also can't complain if someone changes the definition of 'referendum' to mean 'I'll only ask people who agree that the answer should be no'. Anything else would be double standards."
Again who gets to decide you say 30 years right so does it have to be spot on 30 years or could it be 10 , 20 , 23 ,27 , 29 , 32 , 35 see the point am making. What i am asking is who gets to decide that would it be the people of Scotland ? Same people that voted and elected the SNP on their manifesto policy to have a referendum if Scotland face being dragged out of the EU that sounds like a mandate to me and the majority of Scottish voters giving the SNP a mandate to go and deliver on that.
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By *andACouple
over a year ago
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Right so who decides how many years is a generation ?
Words have meanings, when we speak or write these words they rely on these common meanings or else language would just be noise. As with any words if you're unsure about the meaning a dictionary can help out.
In this case a quick search of the word generation gives the following meaning: 'the average period, generally considered to be about thirty years, in which children grow up, become adults, and have children of their own.'
If you wish to change the meaning of words and bring 'generation' down to 3 years then you also can't complain if someone changes the definition of 'referendum' to mean 'I'll only ask people who agree that the answer should be no'. Anything else would be double standards.
Again who gets to decide you say 30 years right so does it have to be spot on 30 years or could it be 10 , 20 , 23 ,27 , 29 , 32 , 35 see the point am making. What i am asking is who gets to decide that would it be the people of Scotland ? Same people that voted and elected the SNP on their manifesto policy to have a referendum if Scotland face being dragged out of the EU that sounds like a mandate to me and the majority of Scottish voters giving the SNP a mandate to go and deliver on that.
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No, I don't get the point you're making. All you're doing is trying to change the meaning of the word because you don't like the fact that it doesn't suit what you want. I don't know if you're being serious when you ask who decides what a generation is or if you genuinely don't understand how the language and the evolution of language works. Basically the definition is explaining the common usage and meaning of the word. The idea that the people of Scotland decide what 'generation' means is as ridiculous as saying the people of Scotlsnd decide what 'house', 'car', 'lifetime' or any other word means.
Basically you're trying to perform mental gymnastics to make something fit that doesn't, rather than thinking logically about it.
If we even push the word generation to it's limit then Salmond has also used the word 'political generation' he himself defined this as around 20 years. And let's not forget he also said it could perhaps be once in a lifetime. |
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Your wasting your time arguing with a myopic Nat............They are deluded enough to think this is all going there way when anyone can see the tide going out on the Indy dream......
Scots are never going to be stupid enough to make themselves poorer.. You may be financially stable but many are not , It is they who would suffer from your delusions...Imagine £15 billion LESS for public services...And you think that is good for the population ?.......Yup deluded |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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Right so who decides how many years is a generation ?
Words have meanings, when we speak or write these words they rely on these common meanings or else language would just be noise. As with any words if you're unsure about the meaning a dictionary can help out.
In this case a quick search of the word generation gives the following meaning: 'the average period, generally considered to be about thirty years, in which children grow up, become adults, and have children of their own.'
If you wish to change the meaning of words and bring 'generation' down to 3 years then you also can't complain if someone changes the definition of 'referendum' to mean 'I'll only ask people who agree that the answer should be no'. Anything else would be double standards.
Again who gets to decide you say 30 years right so does it have to be spot on 30 years or could it be 10 , 20 , 23 ,27 , 29 , 32 , 35 see the point am making. What i am asking is who gets to decide that would it be the people of Scotland ? Same people that voted and elected the SNP on their manifesto policy to have a referendum if Scotland face being dragged out of the EU that sounds like a mandate to me and the majority of Scottish voters giving the SNP a mandate to go and deliver on that.
No, I don't get the point you're making. All you're doing is trying to change the meaning of the word because you don't like the fact that it doesn't suit what you want. I don't know if you're being serious when you ask who decides what a generation is or if you genuinely don't understand how the language and the evolution of language works. Basically the definition is explaining the common usage and meaning of the word. The idea that the people of Scotland decide what 'generation' means is as ridiculous as saying the people of Scotlsnd decide what 'house', 'car', 'lifetime' or any other word means.
Basically you're trying to perform mental gymnastics to make something fit that doesn't, rather than thinking logically about it.
If we even push the word generation to it's limit then Salmond has also used the word 'political generation' he himself defined this as around 20 years. And let's not forget he also said it could perhaps be once in a lifetime."
Right so are you saying it should be spot on 30 years from 2014 that Scotland should have another referendum or will the people of Scotland decide when another referendum should take place ?
The Edinburgh Agreement had no such thing to say Scotland needs to wait for a generation as that would be stupid as the people will decide and big things have changed since 2014 and guess what the people elected a party on a manifesto policy and that party does have a mandate a triple lock mandate now.
I find it funny how the Tories put a EU referendum in a their 2015 manifesto and that is all fine but when the SNP win with their manifesto to hold another referendum then that is not to be respected but hey only goes to prove my point the UK is far from an equal partnership or family of nations it always has been dictatorship that should end and give back each country its independence. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Your wasting your time arguing with a myopic Nat............They are deluded enough to think this is all going there way when anyone can see the tide going out on the Indy dream......
Scots are never going to be stupid enough to make themselves poorer.. You may be financially stable but many are not , It is they who would suffer from your delusions...Imagine £15 billion LESS for public services...And you think that is good for the population ?.......Yup deluded "
Way to go call people names and say their stupid for believing Scotland should be independent.
Were you happy when the Tories were gonna make Scotland 9 billion worse off or did you actually thank the SNP for making sure that did not happen ?
Also am curious as you seem to hate the SNP so which polices do you not agree with ?
Also you must think living under Tory cuts is great eh Trillions in debt and borrowing more and more i dont think that is something to be proud of. |
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By *andACouple
over a year ago
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I see you've at least given up on the generation thing. It would be ridiculous to try to give it a new meaning.
As for the SNP and their manifesto, I'm not sure what you hope to achieve going over the same ground again and again on a swinging site. I've explained before on here, the SNP may have had in in their maifesto (or at least some versions of it, not all) but they didn't secure enough votes to be a majority party so they couldn't vote it through. They had to rely on the backing of the Greens, who didn't have it in their manifesto. That's why the Scottish Greens are fading into irrelevance now and couldn't even manage 6000 votes in a General elction. People have lost respect for them. |
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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
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"I see you've at least given up on the generation thing. It would be ridiculous to try to give it a new meaning.
As for the SNP and their manifesto, I'm not sure what you hope to achieve going over the same ground again and again on a swinging site. I've explained before on here, the SNP may have had in in their maifesto (or at least some versions of it, not all) but they didn't secure enough votes to be a majority party so they couldn't vote it through. They had to rely on the backing of the Greens, who didn't have it in their manifesto. That's why the Scottish Greens are fading into irrelevance now and couldn't even manage 6000 votes in a General elction. People have lost respect for them."
The rules just keep changing and goalposts just keep on moving under pro union rules lol
Now this takes me back to the SNP 2007 minority government where yes the SNP would have needed help for parties to pass through legislation the SNP put forward the debate and vote on a section 30 order and it did pass 69 -59 now remember something here all 6 Greens could have abstained and the SNP would still have 63 voted for and the unionist branch offices would have had 59 so it would still have passed. Are people honestly saying they do not respect a parliament taking a democratic vote.
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"I see you've at least given up on the generation thing. It would be ridiculous to try to give it a new meaning.
As for the SNP and their manifesto, I'm not sure what you hope to achieve going over the same ground again and again on a swinging site. I've explained before on here, the SNP may have had in in their maifesto (or at least some versions of it, not all) but they didn't secure enough votes to be a majority party so they couldn't vote it through. They had to rely on the backing of the Greens, who didn't have it in their manifesto. That's why the Scottish Greens are fading into irrelevance now and couldn't even manage 6000 votes in a General elction. People have lost respect for them.
The rules just keep changing and goalposts just keep on moving under pro union rules lol
Now this takes me back to the SNP 2007 minority government where yes the SNP would have needed help for parties to pass through legislation the SNP put forward the debate and vote on a section 30 order and it did pass 69 -59 now remember something here all 6 Greens could have abstained and the SNP would still have 63 voted for and the unionist branch offices would have had 59 so it would still have passed. Are people honestly saying they do not respect a parliament taking a democratic vote.
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I'm afraid it's you who keeps moving the goalposts. If you with to accept a democratic vote then the 2014 referendum result would be a good place to start or failing that the UK parliament in Westminster who (thankfully) are the ones who decide on constituional matters. Personally I'd actually allow one more referendum on condition it's held within a month so that it's quickly over with. I know what the result would be.  |
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I should add that I believe if the SNP keep on with their indy demands they will end up losing their position of power in the next Scottish elections. That can only be a good thing as it will save us from these SNP cuts that are causing so much damage. |
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"I see you've at least given up on the generation thing. It would be ridiculous to try to give it a new meaning.
As for the SNP and their manifesto, I'm not sure what you hope to achieve going over the same ground again and again on a swinging site. I've explained before on here, the SNP may have had in in their maifesto (or at least some versions of it, not all) but they didn't secure enough votes to be a majority party so they couldn't vote it through. They had to rely on the backing of the Greens, who didn't have it in their manifesto. That's why the Scottish Greens are fading into irrelevance now and couldn't even manage 6000 votes in a General elction. People have lost respect for them.
The rules just keep changing and goalposts just keep on moving under pro union rules lol
Now this takes me back to the SNP 2007 minority government where yes the SNP would have needed help for parties to pass through legislation the SNP put forward the debate and vote on a section 30 order and it did pass 69 -59 now remember something here all 6 Greens could have abstained and the SNP would still have 63 voted for and the unionist branch offices would have had 59 so it would still have passed. Are people honestly saying they do not respect a parliament taking a democratic vote.
I'm afraid it's you who keeps moving the goalposts. If you with to accept a democratic vote then the 2014 referendum result would be a good place to start or failing that the UK parliament in Westminster who (thankfully) are the ones who decide on constituional matters. Personally I'd actually allow one more referendum on condition it's held within a month so that it's quickly over with. I know what the result would be. "
The 2014 has been respected did you see the SNP ignore that vote and declare independence anyway ? Nope they didnt.
I also respect it was a no vote but can you tell me where legally it says there cannot be another independence referendum ?
Thankfully ? So you want a government that keeps on getting rejected in Scotland to have final say over the will of the Scottish people on when a independence referendum can take place lmao
Your all doing some job and proving the Scotland act is a piece of shite.
Erm i think you will find the SNP made it clear they are not asking for one right now but when the final brexit deal is known and before the UK leave Scottish people choose nothing wrong with that as Scotland rejected brexit and in this so called equal partnership / family of nations what is so wrong about giving the Scottish people a right to choose if they agree on brexit or not and wanting something better.
I did notice you didnt wanna correct me on the Holyrood vote on the section 30 order as it would still passed if all 6 Green msp's abstained it would have passed 63-59 a still a democratic vote
Also note back in 2007 when SNP formed a minority government they put in their manifesto to scrap the council tax and when that vote took place they couldnt deliver on that promise why you ask good question that will be because Labour and the Tories voted against scrapping the council tax that would be the same Labour and Tories that was telling people in Scotland failed to keep to that promise but will never ever tell you it was because those lying bastards voted against it and did you know Scottish Labour actually had the cheek to put it in their manifesto they would scrap the council tax when only 10 years earlier they voted against scrapping it and you wonder why they are not to be trusted.
Where is this all in the British media eh ? Not a fucking peep.
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"I see you've at least given up on the generation thing. It would be ridiculous to try to give it a new meaning.
As for the SNP and their manifesto, I'm not sure what you hope to achieve going over the same ground again and again on a swinging site. I've explained before on here, the SNP may have had in in their maifesto (or at least some versions of it, not all) but they didn't secure enough votes to be a majority party so they couldn't vote it through. They had to rely on the backing of the Greens, who didn't have it in their manifesto. That's why the Scottish Greens are fading into irrelevance now and couldn't even manage 6000 votes in a General elction. People have lost respect for them.
The rules just keep changing and goalposts just keep on moving under pro union rules lol
Now this takes me back to the SNP 2007 minority government where yes the SNP would have needed help for parties to pass through legislation the SNP put forward the debate and vote on a section 30 order and it did pass 69 -59 now remember something here all 6 Greens could have abstained and the SNP would still have 63 voted for and the unionist branch offices would have had 59 so it would still have passed. Are people honestly saying they do not respect a parliament taking a democratic vote.
I'm afraid it's you who keeps moving the goalposts. If you with to accept a democratic vote then the 2014 referendum result would be a good place to start or failing that the UK parliament in Westminster who (thankfully) are the ones who decide on constituional matters. Personally I'd actually allow one more referendum on condition it's held within a month so that it's quickly over with. I know what the result would be.
The 2014 has been respected did you see the SNP ignore that vote and declare independence anyway ? Nope they didnt.
I also respect it was a no vote but can you tell me where legally it says there cannot be another independence referendum ?
Thankfully ? So you want a government that keeps on getting rejected in Scotland to have final say over the will of the Scottish people on when a independence referendum can take place lmao
Your all doing some job and proving the Scotland act is a piece of shite.
Erm i think you will find the SNP made it clear they are not asking for one right now but when the final brexit deal is known and before the UK leave Scottish people choose nothing wrong with that as Scotland rejected brexit and in this so called equal partnership / family of nations what is so wrong about giving the Scottish people a right to choose if they agree on brexit or not and wanting something better.
I did notice you didnt wanna correct me on the Holyrood vote on the section 30 order as it would still passed if all 6 Green msp's abstained it would have passed 63-59 a still a democratic vote
Also note back in 2007 when SNP formed a minority government they put in their manifesto to scrap the council tax and when that vote took place they couldnt deliver on that promise why you ask good question that will be because Labour and the Tories voted against scrapping the council tax that would be the same Labour and Tories that was telling people in Scotland failed to keep to that promise but will never ever tell you it was because those lying bastards voted against it and did you know Scottish Labour actually had the cheek to put it in their manifesto they would scrap the council tax when only 10 years earlier they voted against scrapping it and you wonder why they are not to be trusted.
Where is this all in the British media eh ? Not a fucking peep.
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I'd rather you kept things civil. Your language all over this thread just makes you come accross as an angry wee man ranting away. That's not what I'd call a rational debate.
As for the Greens possibly abstaining in the referendum vote, you could say every vote would pass if all the parties abstained but that's not the point of opposition, it's to oppose policies they don't beleive in. The Greens either agreed with indyref and voted for it (which they did) or they don't believe in it and vote against it (which they didn't). It's a vote that you should have a position of.
As for the Council Tax, why didn't the SNP scrap it during the years they had a majority if it's something they believe in, or why don't they scrap it now (along with support from the Greens)?
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"I see you've at least given up on the generation thing. It would be ridiculous to try to give it a new meaning.
As for the SNP and their manifesto, I'm not sure what you hope to achieve going over the same ground again and again on a swinging site. I've explained before on here, the SNP may have had in in their maifesto (or at least some versions of it, not all) but they didn't secure enough votes to be a majority party so they couldn't vote it through. They had to rely on the backing of the Greens, who didn't have it in their manifesto. That's why the Scottish Greens are fading into irrelevance now and couldn't even manage 6000 votes in a General elction. People have lost respect for them.
The rules just keep changing and goalposts just keep on moving under pro union rules lol
Now this takes me back to the SNP 2007 minority government where yes the SNP would have needed help for parties to pass through legislation the SNP put forward the debate and vote on a section 30 order and it did pass 69 -59 now remember something here all 6 Greens could have abstained and the SNP would still have 63 voted for and the unionist branch offices would have had 59 so it would still have passed. Are people honestly saying they do not respect a parliament taking a democratic vote.
I'm afraid it's you who keeps moving the goalposts. If you with to accept a democratic vote then the 2014 referendum result would be a good place to start or failing that the UK parliament in Westminster who (thankfully) are the ones who decide on constituional matters. Personally I'd actually allow one more referendum on condition it's held within a month so that it's quickly over with. I know what the result would be.
The 2014 has been respected did you see the SNP ignore that vote and declare independence anyway ? Nope they didnt.
I also respect it was a no vote but can you tell me where legally it says there cannot be another independence referendum ?
Thankfully ? So you want a government that keeps on getting rejected in Scotland to have final say over the will of the Scottish people on when a independence referendum can take place lmao
Your all doing some job and proving the Scotland act is a piece of shite.
Erm i think you will find the SNP made it clear they are not asking for one right now but when the final brexit deal is known and before the UK leave Scottish people choose nothing wrong with that as Scotland rejected brexit and in this so called equal partnership / family of nations what is so wrong about giving the Scottish people a right to choose if they agree on brexit or not and wanting something better.
I did notice you didnt wanna correct me on the Holyrood vote on the section 30 order as it would still passed if all 6 Green msp's abstained it would have passed 63-59 a still a democratic vote
Also note back in 2007 when SNP formed a minority government they put in their manifesto to scrap the council tax and when that vote took place they couldnt deliver on that promise why you ask good question that will be because Labour and the Tories voted against scrapping the council tax that would be the same Labour and Tories that was telling people in Scotland failed to keep to that promise but will never ever tell you it was because those lying bastards voted against it and did you know Scottish Labour actually had the cheek to put it in their manifesto they would scrap the council tax when only 10 years earlier they voted against scrapping it and you wonder why they are not to be trusted.
Where is this all in the British media eh ? Not a fucking peep.
I'd rather you kept things civil. Your language all over this thread just makes you come accross as an angry wee man ranting away. That's not what I'd call a rational debate.
As for the Greens possibly abstaining in the referendum vote, you could say every vote would pass if all the parties abstained but that's not the point of opposition, it's to oppose policies they don't beleive in. The Greens either agreed with indyref and voted for it (which they did) or they don't believe in it and vote against it (which they didn't). It's a vote that you should have a position of.
As for the Council Tax, why didn't the SNP scrap it during the years they had a majority if it's something they believe in, or why don't they scrap it now (along with support from the Greens)?
There's a very simple answer and it encapsulates one of the huge problems with the SNP. Can you tell what it is? "
Simple answer to that question over the council tax is the SNP did not put it in their 2011 manifesto. They did however put in their manifesto to freeze the council tax and they did so
Also note see just before Labour were booted out of councils the SNP clearly said the councils will have the power to raise council tax or not and Scottish Labour who said in their manifesto they would raise tax guess what they did in their council they kept with the freeze that the didnt agree with because they knew fine well people wouldnt accept raising the tax so Labour cant moan when they did have the power to raise the tax but decided to keep with the freeze
The real question is why do people defend Labour and the Tories when they attack the SNP over failing to scrap the council tax when they know fine well it was all because of them the real reason why SNP couldnt deliver on that promise to scrap the council tax. Yet when Scottish Labour put it in their manifesto all is fine and forgot about and seems no one wants to challenge why Scottish Labour want to scrap something they voted against scrapping only 10 years ago but want to attack SNP for not delivering on it.
Now i do accept the SNP have lost votes Holyrood since the Scottish elections the problem is though on the football act the ones that voted against it have still not brought forward a bill on what they would do to improve on the current football act.
Also i know the SNP lost on the fracking vote but once again if the SNP were to ban fracking outright that could be challenged in court nothing from those that voted to ban it outright where as the current moratorium can not be challenged in court therefore there is NO fracking in Scotland. |
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So if the SNP wanted to scrap the council tax why didn't they do it when they had a majority? It's not acceptable to say it wasn't in their manifesto at that time. Either it's the right thing to do or it isn't. So should it be scrapped or shouldn't it? |
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"So if the SNP wanted to scrap the council tax why didn't they do it when they had a majority? It's not acceptable to say it wasn't in their manifesto at that time. Either it's the right thing to do or it isn't. So should it be scrapped or shouldn't it?"
They didn't scrap it because it didn't suit their political agenda. |
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You have to realise it is always about independence..It "Transcends all".. They are in effect a protest party...they are certainly not a competent party of Govt.
They are an embarrassment to most of us with the whinge tactics, they drag us down with there naked hatred of the Tories and even more laughable Red Tories labels....
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"Your wasting your time arguing with a myopic Nat............They are deluded enough to think this is all going there way when anyone can see the tide going out on the Indy dream......
Scots are never going to be stupid enough to make themselves poorer.. You may be financially stable but many are not , It is they who would suffer from your delusions...Imagine £15 billion LESS for public services...And you think that is good for the population ?.......Yup deluded "
I'd have never thought the British, and in particular the English, are stupid enough to make themselves poorer but look what happened on the 23rd June last year. |
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