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If you look back to the Con-LibDem coalition, it was much more of a partnership where some LibDem MP's were given positions in the cabinet.
Theresa May has already appointed her cabinet.
This deal with the DUP is what's known as a confidence and supply arrangement, where the DUP will agree to back the conservatives in the event of a call for a no-confidence vote in the commons and everything else on a vote by vote basis. |
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"If you look back to the Con-LibDem coalition, it was much more of a partnership where some LibDem MP's were given positions in the cabinet.
Theresa May has already appointed her cabinet.
This deal with the DUP is what's known as a confidence and supply arrangement, where the DUP will agree to back the conservatives in the event of a call for a no-confidence vote in the commons and everything else on a vote by vote basis."
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Coalition of the hellish.
Ruth Davidson - boorish shouty Scottish tory gobshite
Arlene Foster - incompetent shouty Ulster unionist throwback
Theresa May - incompetent arrogant bot-like English tory
The RAT pack - gnawing away at your soul |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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This DUP / Conservative deal seems to be long time in coming together.
I wonder if Theresa might just ultimately decide that no deal with the DUP is better than a bad one. I mean, what could possibly go wrong if she sticks two fingers up at the DUP? |
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By *he ODBMan
over a year ago
glasgow |
"This DUP / Conservative deal seems to be long time in coming together.
I wonder if Theresa might just ultimately decide that no deal with the DUP is better than a bad one. I mean, what could possibly go wrong if she sticks two fingers up at the DUP?"
I'd ask what could possibly go right if she doesn't. I'm aware in the main people in the u.k aren't well versed in the dup and it's supporters. One of the first things coming from N.I is that banned marches will need to be revisited. As if that's what's wrong with the u.k right now. What I'd like to know is how any self respecting person of the Catholic faith or descent could ever vote Tory after this nonsense. It's all hands on deck in regards to their homophobic views but no mention of their anti Catholic views. It's an utter disgrace. 3 little boys died at home from a petrol bomb last time marches were allowed in drumcree . First sniff of power and they'd have us allow that happen again. Screw the g.f.a , screw Catholics , screw LGBT community. Keep may In power . It's a sad reflection on our society that this is viewed as acceptable |
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"If you look back to the Con-LibDem coalition, it was much more of a partnership where some LibDem MP's were given positions in the cabinet.
Theresa May has already appointed her cabinet.
This deal with the DUP is what's known as a confidence and supply arrangement, where the DUP will agree to back the conservatives in the event of a call for a no-confidence vote in the commons and everything else on a vote by vote basis."
That's the confidence part. The "supply" part means they support the budget and other bills requiring spending. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"This DUP / Conservative deal seems to be long time in coming together.
I wonder if Theresa might just ultimately decide that no deal with the DUP is better than a bad one. I mean, what could possibly go wrong if she sticks two fingers up at the DUP?
I'd ask what could possibly go right if she doesn't. I'm aware in the main people in the u.k aren't well versed in the dup and it's supporters. One of the first things coming from N.I is that banned marches will need to be revisited. As if that's what's wrong with the u.k right now. What I'd like to know is how any self respecting person of the Catholic faith or descent could ever vote Tory after this nonsense. It's all hands on deck in regards to their homophobic views but no mention of their anti Catholic views. It's an utter disgrace. 3 little boys died at home from a petrol bomb last time marches were allowed in drumcree . First sniff of power and they'd have us allow that happen again. Screw the g.f.a , screw Catholics , screw LGBT community. Keep may In power . It's a sad reflection on our society that this is viewed as acceptable "
You mentioned the Good Friday Agreement. Can you tell us what happened a few months after that was signed?
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By *he ODBMan
over a year ago
glasgow |
"This DUP / Conservative deal seems to be long time in coming together.
I wonder if Theresa might just ultimately decide that no deal with the DUP is better than a bad one. I mean, what could possibly go wrong if she sticks two fingers up at the DUP?
I'd ask what could possibly go right if she doesn't. I'm aware in the main people in the u.k aren't well versed in the dup and it's supporters. One of the first things coming from N.I is that banned marches will need to be revisited. As if that's what's wrong with the u.k right now. What I'd like to know is how any self respecting person of the Catholic faith or descent could ever vote Tory after this nonsense. It's all hands on deck in regards to their homophobic views but no mention of their anti Catholic views. It's an utter disgrace. 3 little boys died at home from a petrol bomb last time marches were allowed in drumcree . First sniff of power and they'd have us allow that happen again. Screw the g.f.a , screw Catholics , screw LGBT community. Keep may In power . It's a sad reflection on our society that this is viewed as acceptable
You mentioned the Good Friday Agreement. Can you tell us what happened a few months after that was signed?
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if you're referring to omagh I'm not sure what relevance this has to the discussion? Paramilitary action in Ireland is well documented. On both sides. I find the actions of both sides of that coin repugnant. No this isn't whataboutery I'm talking about the future of our country. Do you find these homophobic, anti Catholic leanings to be acceptable from the people who would govern our country ? Forming a government with the likes validates their views as far as I'm concerned. If Catholic was substituted for black , Jewish etc there would be an outcry. I'm an atheist for the record but one of Catholic descent I've seen this up close my whole life . |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"This DUP / Conservative deal seems to be long time in coming together.
I wonder if Theresa might just ultimately decide that no deal with the DUP is better than a bad one. I mean, what could possibly go wrong if she sticks two fingers up at the DUP?
I'd ask what could possibly go right if she doesn't. I'm aware in the main people in the u.k aren't well versed in the dup and it's supporters. One of the first things coming from N.I is that banned marches will need to be revisited. As if that's what's wrong with the u.k right now. What I'd like to know is how any self respecting person of the Catholic faith or descent could ever vote Tory after this nonsense. It's all hands on deck in regards to their homophobic views but no mention of their anti Catholic views. It's an utter disgrace. 3 little boys died at home from a petrol bomb last time marches were allowed in drumcree . First sniff of power and they'd have us allow that happen again. Screw the g.f.a , screw Catholics , screw LGBT community. Keep may In power . It's a sad reflection on our society that this is viewed as acceptable
You mentioned the Good Friday Agreement. Can you tell us what happened a few months after that was signed?
if you're referring to omagh I'm not sure what relevance this has to the discussion? Paramilitary action in Ireland is well documented. On both sides. I find the actions of both sides of that coin repugnant. No this isn't whataboutery I'm talking about the future of our country. Do you find these homophobic, anti Catholic leanings to be acceptable from the people who would govern our country ? Forming a government with the likes validates their views as far as I'm concerned. If Catholic was substituted for black , Jewish etc there would be an outcry. I'm an atheist for the record but one of Catholic descent I've seen this up close my whole life ."
I'm with the majority that wants peace in Northern Ireland. The relevance is that any form of sectarian violence is wrong, wrong, wrong, but it happens. It needs communities and people to move on.
For every sleight thrown at the DUP, then there will be a counter from the other side. Sooner or later, someone has to break the circle and be the bigger person.
To me, the best thing the Unionists can do this year for the common good, is to forget about the marching season. Then hopefully Sinn Fein will respond in kind, and the peace process continues to spiral upwards instead of downwards. |
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The Ulster unionists call themselves loyalists.
If they are so loyal, why are they extorting millions in extra spending as the cost of their loyalty, which will inevitably impoverish another area of government expenditure?
And in the realm of lost millions, I'm wondering if Arlene Foster's catastrophic "cash for ash" energy grants scandal was merely gross incompetence, rather than an attempt to channel public funds into the pockets of unionist mates. |
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By *he ODBMan
over a year ago
glasgow |
"This DUP / Conservative deal seems to be long time in coming together.
I wonder if Theresa might just ultimately decide that no deal with the DUP is better than a bad one. I mean, what could possibly go wrong if she sticks two fingers up at the DUP?
I'd ask what could possibly go right if she doesn't. I'm aware in the main people in the u.k aren't well versed in the dup and it's supporters. One of the first things coming from N.I is that banned marches will need to be revisited. As if that's what's wrong with the u.k right now. What I'd like to know is how any self respecting person of the Catholic faith or descent could ever vote Tory after this nonsense. It's all hands on deck in regards to their homophobic views but no mention of their anti Catholic views. It's an utter disgrace. 3 little boys died at home from a petrol bomb last time marches were allowed in drumcree . First sniff of power and they'd have us allow that happen again. Screw the g.f.a , screw Catholics , screw LGBT community. Keep may In power . It's a sad reflection on our society that this is viewed as acceptable
You mentioned the Good Friday Agreement. Can you tell us what happened a few months after that was signed?
if you're referring to omagh I'm not sure what relevance this has to the discussion? Paramilitary action in Ireland is well documented. On both sides. I find the actions of both sides of that coin repugnant. No this isn't whataboutery I'm talking about the future of our country. Do you find these homophobic, anti Catholic leanings to be acceptable from the people who would govern our country ? Forming a government with the likes validates their views as far as I'm concerned. If Catholic was substituted for black , Jewish etc there would be an outcry. I'm an atheist for the record but one of Catholic descent I've seen this up close my whole life .
I'm with the majority that wants peace in Northern Ireland. The relevance is that any form of sectarian violence is wrong, wrong, wrong, but it happens. It needs communities and people to move on.
For every sleight thrown at the DUP, then there will be a counter from the other side. Sooner or later, someone has to break the circle and be the bigger person.
To me, the best thing the Unionists can do this year for the common good, is to forget about the marching season. Then hopefully Sinn Fein will respond in kind, and the peace process continues to spiral upwards instead of downwards. "
I agree in regards to the violence from both sides. I mentioned these 3 boys as their deaths brought about the end of marching in drumcree. These marches , especially in these areas are for no other reason than to say " fuck you Catholics " My problem with them comes from my own first hand experiences. I was there when Ian Paisley snr opened his church locally in the 90s . It was a hate rally. I've experienced the sectarianism . It's vile.
In Glasgow these orange marches are the norm. Can you imagine being held up behind one of these marches in the car while they bang the drum signifying the hatred they have of you and those like you ? While d*unken idiots follow singing . I've had it happen multiple times in my life . In 2017 these type of things should be outlawed and the orange order are trying to exert influence over them .
Some people laugh at it but there's nothing funny about it. Yet here we have may that desperate to retain power that she'll jump into bed with them. As a Catholic too albeit an Anglican one. It sends a shiver down my spine that these people are going to govern us. I can't hide my bias against them on this issue but placed in my shoes I doubt anyone else could remain objective about it. It's like asking a black man to give the kkk a chance . They are rotten to the core. Just like racists .
The peace process has to be maintained and Britain has to remain neutral . There's now a generation of people not old enough to remember the troubles but those that do know it can't go back to that. May cannot take this course of action and maintain Britain's neutrality. It should've been a non - starter . It just beggars belief to me she would risk it to have power. My views on this would be no different if it were sinn fein who were going to be king makers. The g.f.a is more important than who holds most sway over the next 5 years in British politics. That's conservative in a nutshell. I'm alright Jack
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"This DUP / Conservative deal seems to be long time in coming together.
I wonder if Theresa might just ultimately decide that no deal with the DUP is better than a bad one. I mean, what could possibly go wrong if she sticks two fingers up at the DUP?
I'd ask what could possibly go right if she doesn't. I'm aware in the main people in the u.k aren't well versed in the dup and it's supporters. One of the first things coming from N.I is that banned marches will need to be revisited. As if that's what's wrong with the u.k right now. What I'd like to know is how any self respecting person of the Catholic faith or descent could ever vote Tory after this nonsense. It's all hands on deck in regards to their homophobic views but no mention of their anti Catholic views. It's an utter disgrace. 3 little boys died at home from a petrol bomb last time marches were allowed in drumcree . First sniff of power and they'd have us allow that happen again. Screw the g.f.a , screw Catholics , screw LGBT community. Keep may In power . It's a sad reflection on our society that this is viewed as acceptable
You mentioned the Good Friday Agreement. Can you tell us what happened a few months after that was signed?
if you're referring to omagh I'm not sure what relevance this has to the discussion? Paramilitary action in Ireland is well documented. On both sides. I find the actions of both sides of that coin repugnant. No this isn't whataboutery I'm talking about the future of our country. Do you find these homophobic, anti Catholic leanings to be acceptable from the people who would govern our country ? Forming a government with the likes validates their views as far as I'm concerned. If Catholic was substituted for black , Jewish etc there would be an outcry. I'm an atheist for the record but one of Catholic descent I've seen this up close my whole life .
I'm with the majority that wants peace in Northern Ireland. The relevance is that any form of sectarian violence is wrong, wrong, wrong, but it happens. It needs communities and people to move on.
For every sleight thrown at the DUP, then there will be a counter from the other side. Sooner or later, someone has to break the circle and be the bigger person.
To me, the best thing the Unionists can do this year for the common good, is to forget about the marching season. Then hopefully Sinn Fein will respond in kind, and the peace process continues to spiral upwards instead of downwards.
I agree in regards to the violence from both sides. I mentioned these 3 boys as their deaths brought about the end of marching in drumcree. These marches , especially in these areas are for no other reason than to say " fuck you Catholics " My problem with them comes from my own first hand experiences. I was there when Ian Paisley snr opened his church locally in the 90s . It was a hate rally. I've experienced the sectarianism . It's vile.
In Glasgow these orange marches are the norm. Can you imagine being held up behind one of these marches in the car while they bang the drum signifying the hatred they have of you and those like you ? While d*unken idiots follow singing . I've had it happen multiple times in my life . In 2017 these type of things should be outlawed and the orange order are trying to exert influence over them .
Some people laugh at it but there's nothing funny about it. Yet here we have may that desperate to retain power that she'll jump into bed with them. As a Catholic too albeit an Anglican one. It sends a shiver down my spine that these people are going to govern us. I can't hide my bias against them on this issue but placed in my shoes I doubt anyone else could remain objective about it. It's like asking a black man to give the kkk a chance . They are rotten to the core. Just like racists .
The peace process has to be maintained and Britain has to remain neutral . There's now a generation of people not old enough to remember the troubles but those that do know it can't go back to that. May cannot take this course of action and maintain Britain's neutrality. It should've been a non - starter . It just beggars belief to me she would risk it to have power. My views on this would be no different if it were sinn fein who were going to be king makers. The g.f.a is more important than who holds most sway over the next 5 years in British politics. That's conservative in a nutshell. I'm alright Jack
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Down in safe "shire" country, these marches, lodges, orders etc do seem rather alien and out of place in the 21st Century. Everyone loves to win but we don't go around celebrating Culloden or any other battle for that matter; its just wrong in this day and age.
You can't blame the Conservatives for trying to get the numbers they need, all parties have historically done this. Does an alliance with the DUP threaten the peace process/ I suppose it must do in some shape or form, so in the pursuit of the greater good, what about this for a radical and out of the box thought.....Labour cannot get the numbers to challenge the Conservatives, so why not head off the alliance and say that they will withdraw 10 MPs from any Common's vote so that there not need be such alliance?
Radical I know but possible? Peace in Northern Ireland benefits us all, so why not give it a try. |
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"This DUP / Conservative deal seems to be long time in coming together.
I wonder if Theresa might just ultimately decide that no deal with the DUP is better than a bad one. I mean, what could possibly go wrong if she sticks two fingers up at the DUP?
I'd ask what could possibly go right if she doesn't. I'm aware in the main people in the u.k aren't well versed in the dup and it's supporters. One of the first things coming from N.I is that banned marches will need to be revisited. As if that's what's wrong with the u.k right now. What I'd like to know is how any self respecting person of the Catholic faith or descent could ever vote Tory after this nonsense. It's all hands on deck in regards to their homophobic views but no mention of their anti Catholic views. It's an utter disgrace. 3 little boys died at home from a petrol bomb last time marches were allowed in drumcree . First sniff of power and they'd have us allow that happen again. Screw the g.f.a , screw Catholics , screw LGBT community. Keep may In power . It's a sad reflection on our society that this is viewed as acceptable
You mentioned the Good Friday Agreement. Can you tell us what happened a few months after that was signed?
if you're referring to omagh I'm not sure what relevance this has to the discussion? Paramilitary action in Ireland is well documented. On both sides. I find the actions of both sides of that coin repugnant. No this isn't whataboutery I'm talking about the future of our country. Do you find these homophobic, anti Catholic leanings to be acceptable from the people who would govern our country ? Forming a government with the likes validates their views as far as I'm concerned. If Catholic was substituted for black , Jewish etc there would be an outcry. I'm an atheist for the record but one of Catholic descent I've seen this up close my whole life .
I'm with the majority that wants peace in Northern Ireland. The relevance is that any form of sectarian violence is wrong, wrong, wrong, but it happens. It needs communities and people to move on.
For every sleight thrown at the DUP, then there will be a counter from the other side. Sooner or later, someone has to break the circle and be the bigger person.
To me, the best thing the Unionists can do this year for the common good, is to forget about the marching season. Then hopefully Sinn Fein will respond in kind, and the peace process continues to spiral upwards instead of downwards.
I agree in regards to the violence from both sides. I mentioned these 3 boys as their deaths brought about the end of marching in drumcree. These marches , especially in these areas are for no other reason than to say " fuck you Catholics " My problem with them comes from my own first hand experiences. I was there when Ian Paisley snr opened his church locally in the 90s . It was a hate rally. I've experienced the sectarianism . It's vile.
In Glasgow these orange marches are the norm. Can you imagine being held up behind one of these marches in the car while they bang the drum signifying the hatred they have of you and those like you ? While d*unken idiots follow singing . I've had it happen multiple times in my life . In 2017 these type of things should be outlawed and the orange order are trying to exert influence over them .
Some people laugh at it but there's nothing funny about it. Yet here we have may that desperate to retain power that she'll jump into bed with them. As a Catholic too albeit an Anglican one. It sends a shiver down my spine that these people are going to govern us. I can't hide my bias against them on this issue but placed in my shoes I doubt anyone else could remain objective about it. It's like asking a black man to give the kkk a chance . They are rotten to the core. Just like racists .
The peace process has to be maintained and Britain has to remain neutral . There's now a generation of people not old enough to remember the troubles but those that do know it can't go back to that. May cannot take this course of action and maintain Britain's neutrality. It should've been a non - starter . It just beggars belief to me she would risk it to have power. My views on this would be no different if it were sinn fein who were going to be king makers. The g.f.a is more important than who holds most sway over the next 5 years in British politics. That's conservative in a nutshell. I'm alright Jack
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Being Catholic myself I to find this agreement with the DUP as unpalatable to. However I think there is a little bit of an over reaction. In Liverpool to we also have Orange Order matches but I've never really found them to be a problem. In fact quite the opposite, there is almost a carnival atmosphere around and the some of the pipe bands are pretty good.
The reality is is that the DUP will have no influence over mainland UK social policy and will only extra a financial price for their support.
I do think that the agreement will prove toxic for the Conservatives but not because of any influence they'll actually have but simply being associated with a party that is seen as bigoted, anti gay and women's rights, and religiously intolerant won't improve the standing of a party that claims to be tolerant, liberal and inclusive. |
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"Labour cannot get the numbers to challenge the Conservatives, so why not head off the alliance and say that they will withdraw 10 MPs from any Common's vote so that there not need be such alliance?
Radical I know but possible? Peace in Northern Ireland benefits us all, so why not give it a try."
I like the sound of that |
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