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"Just been talking to a friend in Liverpool. Has close connections quite high up in Labour circles. Got to applaud them for the way they worked things. Firstly....absolutely massive use of social media...outplayed the Tories in that as that was a Tory ploy last election. The master plan however was judging their approach depending on if seats were strongly brexit or remain. In high brexit seats they pushed the message that "we must honour the result". Leaflets and publicity talked about leaving the single market and customs union....hence not upsetting the brexiteers. In remain supporting areas the message focussed more on manifesto and any mention of brexit was attacking the Tory vision of "hard" brexit and focusing on protecting EU citizens and workers rights. Having figured that one....they played a blinder. They very nearly pulled off the illusion to be "all things to all men". Campaign masterminded by Conrade McDonald.....hats off to him!" Have to admit he is a very clever Bloke ! And I may not like his past but he predicted this a couple of months back when no one would listen ! | |||
"Just been talking to a friend in Liverpool. Has close connections quite high up in Labour circles. Got to applaud them for the way they worked things. Firstly....absolutely massive use of social media...outplayed the Tories in that as that was a Tory ploy last election. The master plan however was judging their approach depending on if seats were strongly brexit or remain. In high brexit seats they pushed the message that "we must honour the result". Leaflets and publicity talked about leaving the single market and customs union....hence not upsetting the brexiteers. In remain supporting areas the message focussed more on manifesto and any mention of brexit was attacking the Tory vision of "hard" brexit and focusing on protecting EU citizens and workers rights. Having figured that one....they played a blinder. They very nearly pulled off the illusion to be "all things to all men". Campaign masterminded by Conrade McDonald.....hats off to him! Have to admit he is a very clever Bloke ! And I may not like his past but he predicted this a couple of months back when no one would listen !" That's because he had a cunning plan. He is Corbyns "baldrick ". | |||
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"Just been talking to a friend in Liverpool. Has close connections quite high up in Labour circles. Got to applaud them for the way they worked things. Firstly....absolutely massive use of social media...outplayed the Tories in that as that was a Tory ploy last election. The master plan however was judging their approach depending on if seats were strongly brexit or remain. In high brexit seats they pushed the message that "we must honour the result". Leaflets and publicity talked about leaving the single market and customs union....hence not upsetting the brexiteers. In remain supporting areas the message focussed more on manifesto and any mention of brexit was attacking the Tory vision of "hard" brexit and focusing on protecting EU citizens and workers rights. Having figured that one....they played a blinder. They very nearly pulled off the illusion to be "all things to all men". Campaign masterminded by Conrade McDonald.....hats off to him!" So what you are saying is he completely mislead the public on Brexit then. | |||
"Just been talking to a friend in Liverpool. Has close connections quite high up in Labour circles. Got to applaud them for the way they worked things. Firstly....absolutely massive use of social media...outplayed the Tories in that as that was a Tory ploy last election. The master plan however was judging their approach depending on if seats were strongly brexit or remain. In high brexit seats they pushed the message that "we must honour the result". Leaflets and publicity talked about leaving the single market and customs union....hence not upsetting the brexiteers. In remain supporting areas the message focussed more on manifesto and any mention of brexit was attacking the Tory vision of "hard" brexit and focusing on protecting EU citizens and workers rights. Having figured that one....they played a blinder. They very nearly pulled off the illusion to be "all things to all men". Campaign masterminded by Conrade McDonald.....hats off to him! So what you are saying is he completely mislead the public on Brexit then. " Lordy.  | |||
"Just been talking to a friend in Liverpool. Has close connections quite high up in Labour circles. Got to applaud them for the way they worked things. Firstly....absolutely massive use of social media...outplayed the Tories in that as that was a Tory ploy last election. The master plan however was judging their approach depending on if seats were strongly brexit or remain. In high brexit seats they pushed the message that "we must honour the result". Leaflets and publicity talked about leaving the single market and customs union....hence not upsetting the brexiteers. In remain supporting areas the message focussed more on manifesto and any mention of brexit was attacking the Tory vision of "hard" brexit and focusing on protecting EU citizens and workers rights. Having figured that one....they played a blinder. They very nearly pulled off the illusion to be "all things to all men". Campaign masterminded by Conrade McDonald.....hats off to him! So what you are saying is he completely mislead the public on Brexit then. Lordy. "I think you posted this comment on the wrong thread. It should have been posted on your 'Book of Jeremy Corbyn' waffle. | |||
"Just been talking to a friend in Liverpool. Has close connections quite high up in Labour circles. Got to applaud them for the way they worked things. Firstly....absolutely massive use of social media...outplayed the Tories in that as that was a Tory ploy last election. The master plan however was judging their approach depending on if seats were strongly brexit or remain. In high brexit seats they pushed the message that "we must honour the result". Leaflets and publicity talked about leaving the single market and customs union....hence not upsetting the brexiteers. In remain supporting areas the message focussed more on manifesto and any mention of brexit was attacking the Tory vision of "hard" brexit and focusing on protecting EU citizens and workers rights. Having figured that one....they played a blinder. They very nearly pulled off the illusion to be "all things to all men". Campaign masterminded by Conrade McDonald.....hats off to him! So what you are saying is he completely mislead the public on Brexit then. Lordy.
I think you posted this comment on the wrong thread. It should have been posted on your 'Book of Jeremy Corbyn' waffle. "Try not to become a parody of yourself, eh? That thread is supposed to be, you know, lighthearted. | |||
"Just been talking to a friend in Liverpool. Has close connections quite high up in Labour circles. Got to applaud them for the way they worked things. Firstly....absolutely massive use of social media...outplayed the Tories in that as that was a Tory ploy last election. The master plan however was judging their approach depending on if seats were strongly brexit or remain. In high brexit seats they pushed the message that "we must honour the result". Leaflets and publicity talked about leaving the single market and customs union....hence not upsetting the brexiteers. In remain supporting areas the message focussed more on manifesto and any mention of brexit was attacking the Tory vision of "hard" brexit and focusing on protecting EU citizens and workers rights. Having figured that one....they played a blinder. They very nearly pulled off the illusion to be "all things to all men". Campaign masterminded by Conrade McDonald.....hats off to him! So what you are saying is he completely mislead the public on Brexit then. Lordy.
I think you posted this comment on the wrong thread. It should have been posted on your 'Book of Jeremy Corbyn' waffle.
Try not to become a parody of yourself, eh?
That thread is supposed to be, you know, lighthearted. "I'm afraid you're wasting your breath/typing on this one... I expect the response will be 'no! Jeremy Corbyn is a parody of a communist!', or similar... | |||
"Just been talking to a friend in Liverpool. Has close connections quite high up in Labour circles. Got to applaud them for the way they worked things. Firstly....absolutely massive use of social media...outplayed the Tories in that as that was a Tory ploy last election. The master plan however was judging their approach depending on if seats were strongly brexit or remain. In high brexit seats they pushed the message that "we must honour the result". Leaflets and publicity talked about leaving the single market and customs union....hence not upsetting the brexiteers. In remain supporting areas the message focussed more on manifesto and any mention of brexit was attacking the Tory vision of "hard" brexit and focusing on protecting EU citizens and workers rights. Having figured that one....they played a blinder. They very nearly pulled off the illusion to be "all things to all men". Campaign masterminded by Conrade McDonald.....hats off to him!" John McDonnell told the entire, very large, audience of a conference (not party political, other politicians were there) that they were starting to write the manifesto based on what they were hearing on the streets. This was in November 2016. Each member of the shadow cabinet took the lead to write their sections and then they consulted across the membership. It's not a bad manifesto. Long, but they were trying to cover off all the queries. Then they added the last 20 pages with the headline promises the press picked up on. | |||
"Just been talking to a friend in Liverpool. Has close connections quite high up in Labour circles. Got to applaud them for the way they worked things. Firstly....absolutely massive use of social media...outplayed the Tories in that as that was a Tory ploy last election. The master plan however was judging their approach depending on if seats were strongly brexit or remain. In high brexit seats they pushed the message that "we must honour the result". Leaflets and publicity talked about leaving the single market and customs union....hence not upsetting the brexiteers. In remain supporting areas the message focussed more on manifesto and any mention of brexit was attacking the Tory vision of "hard" brexit and focusing on protecting EU citizens and workers rights. Having figured that one....they played a blinder. They very nearly pulled off the illusion to be "all things to all men". Campaign masterminded by Conrade McDonald.....hats off to him! John McDonnell told the entire, very large, audience of a conference (not party political, other politicians were there) that they were starting to write the manifesto based on what they were hearing on the streets. This was in November 2016. Each member of the shadow cabinet took the lead to write their sections and then they consulted across the membership. It's not a bad manifesto. Long, but they were trying to cover off all the queries. Then they added the last 20 pages with the headline promises the press picked up on." Was this the same conference John McDonnell told everyone he'd like to go back in time and assassinate Margaret Thatcher? Oh no, that was a conference in June 2010 wasn't it. | |||
"Just been talking to a friend in Liverpool. Has close connections quite high up in Labour circles. Got to applaud them for the way they worked things. Firstly....absolutely massive use of social media...outplayed the Tories in that as that was a Tory ploy last election. The master plan however was judging their approach depending on if seats were strongly brexit or remain. In high brexit seats they pushed the message that "we must honour the result". Leaflets and publicity talked about leaving the single market and customs union....hence not upsetting the brexiteers. In remain supporting areas the message focussed more on manifesto and any mention of brexit was attacking the Tory vision of "hard" brexit and focusing on protecting EU citizens and workers rights. Having figured that one....they played a blinder. They very nearly pulled off the illusion to be "all things to all men". Campaign masterminded by Conrade McDonald.....hats off to him! John McDonnell told the entire, very large, audience of a conference (not party political, other politicians were there) that they were starting to write the manifesto based on what they were hearing on the streets. This was in November 2016. Each member of the shadow cabinet took the lead to write their sections and then they consulted across the membership. It's not a bad manifesto. Long, but they were trying to cover off all the queries. Then they added the last 20 pages with the headline promises the press picked up on. Was this the same conference John McDonnell told everyone he'd like to go back in time and assassinate Margaret Thatcher? Oh no, that was a conference in June 2010 wasn't it. " Blimey! You can put the shovel down now, you know. | |||
"Just been talking to a friend in Liverpool. Has close connections quite high up in Labour circles. Got to applaud them for the way they worked things. Firstly....absolutely massive use of social media...outplayed the Tories in that as that was a Tory ploy last election. The master plan however was judging their approach depending on if seats were strongly brexit or remain. In high brexit seats they pushed the message that "we must honour the result". Leaflets and publicity talked about leaving the single market and customs union....hence not upsetting the brexiteers. In remain supporting areas the message focussed more on manifesto and any mention of brexit was attacking the Tory vision of "hard" brexit and focusing on protecting EU citizens and workers rights. Having figured that one....they played a blinder. They very nearly pulled off the illusion to be "all things to all men". Campaign masterminded by Conrade McDonald.....hats off to him! John McDonnell told the entire, very large, audience of a conference (not party political, other politicians were there) that they were starting to write the manifesto based on what they were hearing on the streets. This was in November 2016. Each member of the shadow cabinet took the lead to write their sections and then they consulted across the membership. It's not a bad manifesto. Long, but they were trying to cover off all the queries. Then they added the last 20 pages with the headline promises the press picked up on. Was this the same conference John McDonnell told everyone he'd like to go back in time and assassinate Margaret Thatcher? Oh no, that was a conference in June 2010 wasn't it. Blimey! You can put the shovel down now, you know. "Just a few days ago you were saying this was Bullshit and asked for a link on another thread. I provided a link and noticed you went very quiet after that. | |||
"Just been talking to a friend in Liverpool. Has close connections quite high up in Labour circles. Got to applaud them for the way they worked things. Firstly....absolutely massive use of social media...outplayed the Tories in that as that was a Tory ploy last election. The master plan however was judging their approach depending on if seats were strongly brexit or remain. In high brexit seats they pushed the message that "we must honour the result". Leaflets and publicity talked about leaving the single market and customs union....hence not upsetting the brexiteers. In remain supporting areas the message focussed more on manifesto and any mention of brexit was attacking the Tory vision of "hard" brexit and focusing on protecting EU citizens and workers rights. Having figured that one....they played a blinder. They very nearly pulled off the illusion to be "all things to all men". Campaign masterminded by Conrade McDonald.....hats off to him! John McDonnell told the entire, very large, audience of a conference (not party political, other politicians were there) that they were starting to write the manifesto based on what they were hearing on the streets. This was in November 2016. Each member of the shadow cabinet took the lead to write their sections and then they consulted across the membership. It's not a bad manifesto. Long, but they were trying to cover off all the queries. Then they added the last 20 pages with the headline promises the press picked up on. Was this the same conference John McDonnell told everyone he'd like to go back in time and assassinate Margaret Thatcher? Oh no, that was a conference in June 2010 wasn't it. Blimey! You can put the shovel down now, you know.
Just a few days ago you were saying this was Bullshit and asked for a link on another thread. I provided a link and noticed you went very quiet after that. "Well done, point missed again. And on that thread too, it seems. You are very entertaining tonight. | |||
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"Labour made it "cool to be a corbynista" for the youth vote." Just imagine if he's won and had to honour all these pledges!!! Thing is with the students, all very well wanting to take cheap / free education now, but no doubt their generation will pay the price later when they realise how much they've cost the taxpayer. Not that Corbyn cares, he'll be popping up daisies by the time they realise this policy is flawed. | |||
"Just been talking to a friend in Liverpool. Has close connections quite high up in Labour circles. Got to applaud them for the way they worked things. Firstly....absolutely massive use of social media...outplayed the Tories in that as that was a Tory ploy last election. The master plan however was judging their approach depending on if seats were strongly brexit or remain. In high brexit seats they pushed the message that "we must honour the result". Leaflets and publicity talked about leaving the single market and customs union....hence not upsetting the brexiteers. In remain supporting areas the message focussed more on manifesto and any mention of brexit was attacking the Tory vision of "hard" brexit and focusing on protecting EU citizens and workers rights. Having figured that one....they played a blinder. They very nearly pulled off the illusion to be "all things to all men". Campaign masterminded by Conrade McDonald.....hats off to him! So what you are saying is he completely mislead the public on Brexit then. " You may wish to interpret it that way C. I'm just saying that they completely outmanoeuvred May and her team (of two advisors?). Maybe he showed true leadership for his party. I'm certainly no fan of his Marxist ideals and I think he would prove to be an unmitigated disaster as a chancellor. But he's a very shrewd manouverer! | |||
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"However the country at large is suffering an acute dose of election fatigue and the old dear (forgotten her name) in Bristol would go balistic." Brenda. Don't worry, I'll pop down the road with a cup of tea for her and break it to her gently 
But I know what you mean about election fatigue... after the Referendum, the US election, the Bristol-area Metro-Mayor election, the the General election.... the other week I got a letter from the Caravan and Camping Club saying about voting in their board elections.... I was thinking FFS! FUCK OFF! lol
Alas, I've got a feeling though that there will be a new election soon. I can't see the Tories managing to get a new leader without them all stabbing each other in the back. I saw a great tweet yesterday which said something like "The person I feel most sorry about is Gove, with all the chaos in the party, he won't know who to stab in the back!"
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"If Ruth Davidson splits off ? Which I think she could we could have another election ASAP And Corbyn would have a good chance now ." if boris were to become PM i would fully expect Ruth to split off the scottish conservatives it is interesting if you hear what she says.... she said the scottish mps will vote as a block, and they expect their softer "conservatism" to be duplicated by their colleagues down south... which is why they have there own money raising capacity, and more importantly produced their own manifesto (remember the winter fuel cut was never mentioned in theirs......) where do you think the sudden change to "conservative and unionist" labels have come from...... but she gave the assurance at this time they will come under the main party whip.. and they will honour that at this time... you could say that davidson wields as much power as arlene foster does..... | |||
"If Ruth Davidson splits off ? Which I think she could we could have another election ASAP And Corbyn would have a good chance now . if boris were to become PM i would fully expect Ruth to split off the scottish conservatives it is interesting if you hear what she says.... she said the scottish mps will vote as a block, and they expect their softer "conservatism" to be duplicated by their colleagues down south... which is why they have there own money raising capacity, and more importantly produced their own manifesto (remember the winter fuel cut was never mentioned in theirs......) where do you think the sudden change to "conservative and unionist" labels have come from...... but she gave the assurance at this time they will come under the main party whip.. and they will honour that at this time... you could say that davidson wields as much power as arlene foster does....." They have been the Conservative and Unionist Party for some time, just other leaders didn't use the full name. There's an interesting little calculation on those very close seats lost to Labour. They could have had the magic 322 (based on SF not taking their seats) with just 75 votes. When anyone spouts that their vote doesn't count, they should remember this. | |||
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"The only people with election fatigue are the tories after getting battered they dont want round 2.(Most are old to be fair ). The youth who voted are full of energy for another battle. People will come out in greater numbers if the sense tory blood in the water . Labour support has been given a shot in the arm." Ah the youth. Bless. Let's face it, it's only a dozen or so years ago that the average 18 year old believed that an old bloke with a white beard and a red coat brought them lots of toys for nothing. So fresh is that in their memories that they are willing to believe that an old bloke with a white beard and a red tie (when he wears one) will give them everything they want and more besides and to them it will cost nothing. What they seem to have collectively forgotten is that as they got older they learned that the first old bloke was actually a myth and Mum and Dad actually fucking well paid for it. A lesson that they would all do well to freshen up on because one day THEY will be the bank of Mum and Dad.  | |||
"The only people with election fatigue are the tories after getting battered they dont want round 2.(Most are old to be fair ). The youth who voted are full of energy for another battle. People will come out in greater numbers if the sense tory blood in the water . Labour support has been given a shot in the arm. Ah the youth. Bless. Let's face it, it's only a dozen or so years ago that the average 18 year old believed that an old bloke with a white beard and a red coat brought them lots of toys for nothing. So fresh is that in their memories that they are willing to believe that an old bloke with a white beard and a red tie (when he wears one) will give them everything they want and more besides and to them it will cost nothing. What they seem to have collectively forgotten is that as they got older they learned that the first old bloke was actually a myth and Mum and Dad actually fucking well paid for it. A lesson that they would all do well to freshen up on because one day THEY will be the bank of Mum and Dad. "you're just living in the past grandpa | |||
"Just been talking to a friend in Liverpool. Has close connections quite high up in Labour circles. Got to applaud them for the way they worked things. Firstly....absolutely massive use of social media...outplayed the Tories in that as that was a Tory ploy last election. The master plan however was judging their approach depending on if seats were strongly brexit or remain. In high brexit seats they pushed the message that "we must honour the result". Leaflets and publicity talked about leaving the single market and customs union....hence not upsetting the brexiteers. In remain supporting areas the message focussed more on manifesto and any mention of brexit was attacking the Tory vision of "hard" brexit and focusing on protecting EU citizens and workers rights. Having figured that one....they played a blinder. They very nearly pulled off the illusion to be "all things to all men". Campaign masterminded by Conrade McDonald.....hats off to him!" And the Tory cunning plan was to piss off the retired ( The people that tradditionly vote Tory ) Offer nothing to young people because they don't vote for the torys or turn out in any numbers ( supprise this year they did ) Keep on bashing the poor and we have a recipey for a successful landslide | |||
"Just been talking to a friend in Liverpool. Has close connections quite high up in Labour circles. Got to applaud them for the way they worked things. Firstly....absolutely massive use of social media...outplayed the Tories in that as that was a Tory ploy last election. The master plan however was judging their approach depending on if seats were strongly brexit or remain. In high brexit seats they pushed the message that "we must honour the result". Leaflets and publicity talked about leaving the single market and customs union....hence not upsetting the brexiteers. In remain supporting areas the message focussed more on manifesto and any mention of brexit was attacking the Tory vision of "hard" brexit and focusing on protecting EU citizens and workers rights. Having figured that one....they played a blinder. They very nearly pulled off the illusion to be "all things to all men". Campaign masterminded by Conrade McDonald.....hats off to him! So what you are saying is he completely mislead the public on Brexit then. " That's a bit ripe coming from someone who backed the leave campaign but, in essence, yes. | |||
"Labour made it "cool to be a corbynista" for the youth vote. Just imagine if he's won and had to honour all these pledges!!! Thing is with the students, all very well wanting to take cheap / free education now, but no doubt their generation will pay the price later when they realise how much they've cost the taxpayer. Not that Corbyn cares, he'll be popping up daisies by the time they realise this policy is flawed. " Thing is, given an economically flawed policy that's offering to give them £30,000 back each and an economically flawed policy that is going to remove their rights to live, work, study and retire anywhere in 27+ countries in, why wouldn't they vote for the £30,000? | |||
"Just been talking to a friend in Liverpool. Has close connections quite high up in Labour circles. Got to applaud them for the way they worked things. Firstly....absolutely massive use of social media...outplayed the Tories in that as that was a Tory ploy last election. The master plan however was judging their approach depending on if seats were strongly brexit or remain. In high brexit seats they pushed the message that "we must honour the result". Leaflets and publicity talked about leaving the single market and customs union....hence not upsetting the brexiteers. In remain supporting areas the message focussed more on manifesto and any mention of brexit was attacking the Tory vision of "hard" brexit and focusing on protecting EU citizens and workers rights. Having figured that one....they played a blinder. They very nearly pulled off the illusion to be "all things to all men". Campaign masterminded by Conrade McDonald.....hats off to him! So what you are saying is he completely mislead the public on Brexit then. That's a bit ripe coming from someone who backed the leave campaign but, in essence, yes." No, it is not misleading at all. Those two messages are not mutually exclusive. They are both true. All it is doing is prioritising the message for a tailored audience. Tories did exactly the same. Related: I saw yesterday a group of people are crowdfunding a legal challenge to sue those that deliberately lied in the Leave campaign. From the legal investigation they have done so far it looks quite promising. -Matt | |||
"If Ruth Davidson splits off ? Which I think she could we could have another election ASAP And Corbyn would have a good chance now . if boris were to become PM i would fully expect Ruth to split off the scottish conservatives it is interesting if you hear what she says.... she said the scottish mps will vote as a block, and they expect their softer "conservatism" to be duplicated by their colleagues down south... which is why they have there own money raising capacity, and more importantly produced their own manifesto (remember the winter fuel cut was never mentioned in theirs......) where do you think the sudden change to "conservative and unionist" labels have come from...... but she gave the assurance at this time they will come under the main party whip.. and they will honour that at this time... you could say that davidson wields as much power as arlene foster does....." Actually, with 13 seats, she wields more. I'm hoping Ruth will be the knife to cut the deadly cancer of the heart and brain, that BREXIT is, from the Conservative party. | |||
"The only people with election fatigue are the tories after getting battered they dont want round 2.(Most are old to be fair ). The youth who voted are full of energy for another battle. People will come out in greater numbers if the sense tory blood in the water . Labour support has been given a shot in the arm. Ah the youth. Bless. Let's face it, it's only a dozen or so years ago that the average 18 year old believed that an old bloke with a white beard and a red coat brought them lots of toys for nothing. So fresh is that in their memories that they are willing to believe that an old bloke with a white beard and a red tie (when he wears one) will give them everything they want and more besides and to them it will cost nothing. What they seem to have collectively forgotten is that as they got older they learned that the first old bloke was actually a myth and Mum and Dad actually fucking well paid for it. A lesson that they would all do well to freshen up on because one day THEY will be the bank of Mum and Dad. "But, if the only other realist offer is a party offering a policy that will take their rights to live, work, study and retire in 27+ countries around Europe and at the same time also trash the economy, why not vote for the one at least offering to give you something while they're at it? | |||
"The only people with election fatigue are the tories after getting battered they dont want round 2.(Most are old to be fair ). The youth who voted are full of energy for another battle. People will come out in greater numbers if the sense tory blood in the water . Labour support has been given a shot in the arm. Ah the youth. Bless. Let's face it, it's only a dozen or so years ago that the average 18 year old believed that an old bloke with a white beard and a red coat brought them lots of toys for nothing. So fresh is that in their memories that they are willing to believe that an old bloke with a white beard and a red tie (when he wears one) will give them everything they want and more besides and to them it will cost nothing. What they seem to have collectively forgotten is that as they got older they learned that the first old bloke was actually a myth and Mum and Dad actually fucking well paid for it. A lesson that they would all do well to freshen up on because one day THEY will be the bank of Mum and Dad.
you're just living in the past grandpa"Nay lad. Living in the very real present. The only difference being that we've seen it all before. Corbyn's money tree lined yellow brick road only leads to the snowy wastes of Narnia. Wrap those words up and read them again in 20 years. Then you may understand. | |||
"The only people with election fatigue are the tories after getting battered they dont want round 2.(Most are old to be fair ). The youth who voted are full of energy for another battle. People will come out in greater numbers if the sense tory blood in the water . Labour support has been given a shot in the arm. Ah the youth. Bless. Let's face it, it's only a dozen or so years ago that the average 18 year old believed that an old bloke with a white beard and a red coat brought them lots of toys for nothing. So fresh is that in their memories that they are willing to believe that an old bloke with a white beard and a red tie (when he wears one) will give them everything they want and more besides and to them it will cost nothing. What they seem to have collectively forgotten is that as they got older they learned that the first old bloke was actually a myth and Mum and Dad actually fucking well paid for it. A lesson that they would all do well to freshen up on because one day THEY will be the bank of Mum and Dad.
you're just living in the past grandpa
Nay lad. Living in the very real present.
The only difference being that we've seen it all before.
Corbyn's money tree lined yellow brick road only leads to the snowy wastes of Narnia.
Wrap those words up and read them again in 20 years. Then you may understand."20 years? ... but you'll be long gone by then and we won't get the chance to gloat at you on how wrong your are | |||
"The only people with election fatigue are the tories after getting battered they dont want round 2.(Most are old to be fair ). The youth who voted are full of energy for another battle. People will come out in greater numbers if the sense tory blood in the water . Labour support has been given a shot in the arm. Ah the youth. Bless. Let's face it, it's only a dozen or so years ago that the average 18 year old believed that an old bloke with a white beard and a red coat brought them lots of toys for nothing. So fresh is that in their memories that they are willing to believe that an old bloke with a white beard and a red tie (when he wears one) will give them everything they want and more besides and to them it will cost nothing. What they seem to have collectively forgotten is that as they got older they learned that the first old bloke was actually a myth and Mum and Dad actually fucking well paid for it. A lesson that they would all do well to freshen up on because one day THEY will be the bank of Mum and Dad.
you're just living in the past grandpa
Nay lad. Living in the very real present.
The only difference being that we've seen it all before.
Corbyn's money tree lined yellow brick road only leads to the snowy wastes of Narnia.
Wrap those words up and read them again in 20 years. Then you may understand."Thoses kids in narnia defeated the ice queen. The youth are optimistic and forward looking they are our future. You are our past and look backwards.
The mistake you tories made was to dismiss the youth.You should expect them to turn up again. | |||
"The only people with election fatigue are the tories after getting battered they dont want round 2.(Most are old to be fair ). The youth who voted are full of energy for another battle. People will come out in greater numbers if the sense tory blood in the water . Labour support has been given a shot in the arm. Ah the youth. Bless. Let's face it, it's only a dozen or so years ago that the average 18 year old believed that an old bloke with a white beard and a red coat brought them lots of toys for nothing. So fresh is that in their memories that they are willing to believe that an old bloke with a white beard and a red tie (when he wears one) will give them everything they want and more besides and to them it will cost nothing. What they seem to have collectively forgotten is that as they got older they learned that the first old bloke was actually a myth and Mum and Dad actually fucking well paid for it. A lesson that they would all do well to freshen up on because one day THEY will be the bank of Mum and Dad.
you're just living in the past grandpa
Nay lad. Living in the very real present.
The only difference being that we've seen it all before.
Corbyn's money tree lined yellow brick road only leads to the snowy wastes of Narnia.
Wrap those words up and read them again in 20 years. Then you may understand.
20 years? ... but you'll be long gone by then and we won't get the chance to gloat at you on how wrong your are "Maybe we will, then again my mother is still around at 91 so maybe we will still be hanging on. However you will probably be right on the first bit but the sad part is that we wont be able to see that "OH SHIT" look on your face when you realise you've been sold a pup.  | |||
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"The only people with election fatigue are the tories after getting battered they dont want round 2.(Most are old to be fair ). The youth who voted are full of energy for another battle. People will come out in greater numbers if the sense tory blood in the water . Labour support has been given a shot in the arm. Ah the youth. Bless. Let's face it, it's only a dozen or so years ago that the average 18 year old believed that an old bloke with a white beard and a red coat brought them lots of toys for nothing. So fresh is that in their memories that they are willing to believe that an old bloke with a white beard and a red tie (when he wears one) will give them everything they want and more besides and to them it will cost nothing. What they seem to have collectively forgotten is that as they got older they learned that the first old bloke was actually a myth and Mum and Dad actually fucking well paid for it. A lesson that they would all do well to freshen up on because one day THEY will be the bank of Mum and Dad.
you're just living in the past grandpa
Nay lad. Living in the very real present.
The only difference being that we've seen it all before.
Corbyn's money tree lined yellow brick road only leads to the snowy wastes of Narnia.
Wrap those words up and read them again in 20 years. Then you may understand. Thoses kids in narnia defeated the ice queen.
The youth are optimistic and forward looking they are our future. You are our past and look backwards.
The mistake you tories made was to dismiss the youth.You should expect them to turn up again."Yes the kids did defeat the ice queen, but that was a fucking fairy story. Corbyn's icy wastes would oh to real. We are all a product of our genes and life's experiences. It's just that we have a lot more of the latter. See above. | |||
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"The only people with election fatigue are the tories after getting battered they dont want round 2.(Most are old to be fair ). The youth who voted are full of energy for another battle. People will come out in greater numbers if the sense tory blood in the water . Labour support has been given a shot in the arm. Ah the youth. Bless. Let's face it, it's only a dozen or so years ago that the average 18 year old believed that an old bloke with a white beard and a red coat brought them lots of toys for nothing. So fresh is that in their memories that they are willing to believe that an old bloke with a white beard and a red tie (when he wears one) will give them everything they want and more besides and to them it will cost nothing. What they seem to have collectively forgotten is that as they got older they learned that the first old bloke was actually a myth and Mum and Dad actually fucking well paid for it. A lesson that they would all do well to freshen up on because one day THEY will be the bank of Mum and Dad.
you're just living in the past grandpa
Nay lad. Living in the very real present.
The only difference being that we've seen it all before.
Corbyn's money tree lined yellow brick road only leads to the snowy wastes of Narnia.
Wrap those words up and read them again in 20 years. Then you may understand. Thoses kids in narnia defeated the ice queen.
The youth are optimistic and forward looking they are our future. You are our past and look backwards.
The mistake you tories made was to dismiss the youth.You should expect them to turn up again.
Yes the kids did defeat the ice queen, but that was a fucking fairy story.
Corbyn's icy wastes would oh to real.
We are all a product of our genes and life's experiences.
It's just that we have a lot more of the latter. See above. "did they vote down the 15 year rule after? you might not get a say at the next vote then hey? | |||
"The only people with election fatigue are the tories after getting battered they dont want round 2.(Most are old to be fair ). The youth who voted are full of energy for another battle. People will come out in greater numbers if the sense tory blood in the water . Labour support has been given a shot in the arm. Ah the youth. Bless. Let's face it, it's only a dozen or so years ago that the average 18 year old believed that an old bloke with a white beard and a red coat brought them lots of toys for nothing. So fresh is that in their memories that they are willing to believe that an old bloke with a white beard and a red tie (when he wears one) will give them everything they want and more besides and to them it will cost nothing. What they seem to have collectively forgotten is that as they got older they learned that the first old bloke was actually a myth and Mum and Dad actually fucking well paid for it. A lesson that they would all do well to freshen up on because one day THEY will be the bank of Mum and Dad.
you're just living in the past grandpa
Nay lad. Living in the very real present.
The only difference being that we've seen it all before.
Corbyn's money tree lined yellow brick road only leads to the snowy wastes of Narnia.
Wrap those words up and read them again in 20 years. Then you may understand. Thoses kids in narnia defeated the ice queen.
The youth are optimistic and forward looking they are our future. You are our past and look backwards.
The mistake you tories made was to dismiss the youth.You should expect them to turn up again.
Yes the kids did defeat the ice queen, but that was a fucking fairy story.
Corbyn's icy wastes would oh to real.
We are all a product of our genes and life's experiences.
It's just that we have a lot more of the latter. See above.
did they vote down the 15 year rule after? you might not get a say at the next vote then hey? "I haven't had a say in the last two but hey ho, I can still stick my two penneth in. | |||
"The only people with election fatigue are the tories after getting battered they dont want round 2.(Most are old to be fair ). The youth who voted are full of energy for another battle. People will come out in greater numbers if the sense tory blood in the water . Labour support has been given a shot in the arm. Ah the youth. Bless. Let's face it, it's only a dozen or so years ago that the average 18 year old believed that an old bloke with a white beard and a red coat brought them lots of toys for nothing. So fresh is that in their memories that they are willing to believe that an old bloke with a white beard and a red tie (when he wears one) will give them everything they want and more besides and to them it will cost nothing. What they seem to have collectively forgotten is that as they got older they learned that the first old bloke was actually a myth and Mum and Dad actually fucking well paid for it. A lesson that they would all do well to freshen up on because one day THEY will be the bank of Mum and Dad.
you're just living in the past grandpa
Nay lad. Living in the very real present.
The only difference being that we've seen it all before.
Corbyn's money tree lined yellow brick road only leads to the snowy wastes of Narnia.
Wrap those words up and read them again in 20 years. Then you may understand. Thoses kids in narnia defeated the ice queen.
The youth are optimistic and forward looking they are our future. You are our past and look backwards.
The mistake you tories made was to dismiss the youth.You should expect them to turn up again.
Yes the kids did defeat the ice queen, but that was a fucking fairy story.
Corbyn's icy wastes would oh to real.
We are all a product of our genes and life's experiences.
It's just that we have a lot more of the latter. See above.
did they vote down the 15 year rule after? you might not get a say at the next vote then hey?
I haven't had a say in the last two but hey ho, I can still stick my two penneth in. "nah, it just makes your stories about the war and stuff completely irrelevant don't it | |||
"The only people with election fatigue are the tories after getting battered they dont want round 2.(Most are old to be fair ). The youth who voted are full of energy for another battle. People will come out in greater numbers if the sense tory blood in the water . Labour support has been given a shot in the arm. Ah the youth. Bless. Let's face it, it's only a dozen or so years ago that the average 18 year old believed that an old bloke with a white beard and a red coat brought them lots of toys for nothing. So fresh is that in their memories that they are willing to believe that an old bloke with a white beard and a red tie (when he wears one) will give them everything they want and more besides and to them it will cost nothing. What they seem to have collectively forgotten is that as they got older they learned that the first old bloke was actually a myth and Mum and Dad actually fucking well paid for it. A lesson that they would all do well to freshen up on because one day THEY will be the bank of Mum and Dad.
you're just living in the past grandpa
Nay lad. Living in the very real present.
The only difference being that we've seen it all before.
Corbyn's money tree lined yellow brick road only leads to the snowy wastes of Narnia.
Wrap those words up and read them again in 20 years. Then you may understand. Thoses kids in narnia defeated the ice queen.
The youth are optimistic and forward looking they are our future. You are our past and look backwards.
The mistake you tories made was to dismiss the youth.You should expect them to turn up again.
Yes the kids did defeat the ice queen, but that was a fucking fairy story.
Corbyn's icy wastes would oh to real.
We are all a product of our genes and life's experiences.
It's just that we have a lot more of the latter. See above.
did they vote down the 15 year rule after? you might not get a say at the next vote then hey?
I haven't had a say in the last two but hey ho, I can still stick my two penneth in.
nah, it just makes your stories about the war and stuff completely irrelevant don't it "I'M NOT THAT FUCKING OLD!!!!! 
Vietnam is about as far back as I can go.
However think yourself very lucky that MY parents generation actually stood up to (real) fascism. Had they not my and your generation would have been sent to the camps long ago for even thinking half of the things we write on here.
I admire the spirit of youth but it always needs to be tempered with an older, wiser, more experienced head.
One thing we all must realise is that, whatever the intentions, history will always repeat itself.
I see nothing different for your future.
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"The only people with election fatigue are the tories after getting battered they dont want round 2.(Most are old to be fair ). The youth who voted are full of energy for another battle. People will come out in greater numbers if the sense tory blood in the water . Labour support has been given a shot in the arm. Ah the youth. Bless. Let's face it, it's only a dozen or so years ago that the average 18 year old believed that an old bloke with a white beard and a red coat brought them lots of toys for nothing. So fresh is that in their memories that they are willing to believe that an old bloke with a white beard and a red tie (when he wears one) will give them everything they want and more besides and to them it will cost nothing. What they seem to have collectively forgotten is that as they got older they learned that the first old bloke was actually a myth and Mum and Dad actually fucking well paid for it. A lesson that they would all do well to freshen up on because one day THEY will be the bank of Mum and Dad.
you're just living in the past grandpa
Nay lad. Living in the very real present.
The only difference being that we've seen it all before.
Corbyn's money tree lined yellow brick road only leads to the snowy wastes of Narnia.
Wrap those words up and read them again in 20 years. Then you may understand. Thoses kids in narnia defeated the ice queen.
The youth are optimistic and forward looking they are our future. You are our past and look backwards.
The mistake you tories made was to dismiss the youth.You should expect them to turn up again.
Yes the kids did defeat the ice queen, but that was a fucking fairy story.
Corbyn's icy wastes would oh to real.
We are all a product of our genes and life's experiences.
It's just that we have a lot more of the latter. See above.
did they vote down the 15 year rule after? you might not get a say at the next vote then hey?
I haven't had a say in the last two but hey ho, I can still stick my two penneth in.
nah, it just makes your stories about the war and stuff completely irrelevant don't it
I'M NOT THAT FUCKING OLD!!!!!
Vietnam is about as far back as I can go.
However think yourself very lucky that MY parents generation actually stood up to (real) fascism. Had they not my and your generation would have been sent to the camps long ago for even thinking half of the things we write on here.
I admire the spirit of youth but it always needs to be tempered with an older, wiser, more experienced head.
One thing we all must realise is that, whatever the intentions, history will always repeat itself.
I see nothing different for your future.
"Oh, for God's sake! I'm way older than you but you sound like my grandparents! Give over on the 'I've got years of experience and I remember when Harold Wilson was Prime Minister' stuff. The world has changed but you're still living in the past. Give the next few generations a break. They've already had a large chunk of their future destroyed by a bunch of myopic old farts voting for Brexit. They don't need a load of geriatric tories ruining it for them further. | |||
"The only people with election fatigue are the tories after getting battered they dont want round 2.(Most are old to be fair ). The youth who voted are full of energy for another battle. People will come out in greater numbers if the sense tory blood in the water . Labour support has been given a shot in the arm. Ah the youth. Bless. Let's face it, it's only a dozen or so years ago that the average 18 year old believed that an old bloke with a white beard and a red coat brought them lots of toys for nothing. So fresh is that in their memories that they are willing to believe that an old bloke with a white beard and a red tie (when he wears one) will give them everything they want and more besides and to them it will cost nothing. What they seem to have collectively forgotten is that as they got older they learned that the first old bloke was actually a myth and Mum and Dad actually fucking well paid for it. A lesson that they would all do well to freshen up on because one day THEY will be the bank of Mum and Dad.
you're just living in the past grandpa
Nay lad. Living in the very real present.
The only difference being that we've seen it all before.
Corbyn's money tree lined yellow brick road only leads to the snowy wastes of Narnia.
Wrap those words up and read them again in 20 years. Then you may understand. Thoses kids in narnia defeated the ice queen.
The youth are optimistic and forward looking they are our future. You are our past and look backwards.
The mistake you tories made was to dismiss the youth.You should expect them to turn up again.
Yes the kids did defeat the ice queen, but that was a fucking fairy story.
Corbyn's icy wastes would oh to real.
We are all a product of our genes and life's experiences.
It's just that we have a lot more of the latter. See above.
did they vote down the 15 year rule after? you might not get a say at the next vote then hey?
I haven't had a say in the last two but hey ho, I can still stick my two penneth in.
nah, it just makes your stories about the war and stuff completely irrelevant don't it
I'M NOT THAT FUCKING OLD!!!!!
Vietnam is about as far back as I can go.
However think yourself very lucky that MY parents generation actually stood up to (real) fascism. Had they not my and your generation would have been sent to the camps long ago for even thinking half of the things we write on here.
I admire the spirit of youth but it always needs to be tempered with an older, wiser, more experienced head.
One thing we all must realise is that, whatever the intentions, history will always repeat itself.
I see nothing different for your future.
Oh, for God's sake! I'm way older than you but you sound like my grandparents!
Give over on the 'I've got years of experience and I remember when Harold Wilson was Prime Minister' stuff.
The world has changed but you're still living in the past.
Give the next few generations a break. They've already had a large chunk of their future destroyed by a bunch of myopic old farts voting for Brexit. They don't need a load of geriatric tories ruining it for them further. "And here in lies the rub. How can anyone who voted in favour of BREXIT, which risks the economic future of this country simply so that they can cry "Harry, George and England", them tell others that they shouldn't vote for £30,000 of student debt relief because that will wreck the economy? The economic authority of the Conservative party, and it's members and supporters who backed or voted for BREXIT, simply no longer exits. | |||
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"cry "Harry, George and England", " Sorry to be pedantic, but I think you mean 'Cry God for Harry, England and St. George. Closet Shakespeare fan | |||
"cry "Harry, George and England", Sorry to be pedantic, but I think you mean 'Cry God for Harry, England and St. George. Closet Shakespeare fan "It wasn't meant to be a quote, just an echo of a sentiment. However I'll bow to Shakespeare's far more superior use of the English language than mine next time I parody the sentiment. | |||
"I'M NOT THAT FUCKING OLD!!!!!
Vietnam is about as far back as I can go.
However think yourself very lucky that MY parents generation actually stood up to (real) fascism. Had they not my and your generation would have been sent to the camps long ago for even thinking half of the things we write on here.
I admire the spirit of youth but it always needs to be tempered with an older, wiser, more experienced head.
One thing we all must realise is that, whatever the intentions, history will always repeat itself.
I see nothing different for your future.
"talking about the war again gramps? ... you need to realise it's the 21st century now, not 1939 when you were running around in short trousers.... and if you want youthfulness to be tempered by wisdom then it might be an idea for you to keep quiet and let someone else do the talking | |||
"I'M NOT THAT FUCKING OLD!!!!!
Vietnam is about as far back as I can go.
However think yourself very lucky that MY parents generation actually stood up to (real) fascism. Had they not my and your generation would have been sent to the camps long ago for even thinking half of the things we write on here.
I admire the spirit of youth but it always needs to be tempered with an older, wiser, more experienced head.
One thing we all must realise is that, whatever the intentions, history will always repeat itself.
I see nothing different for your future.
talking about the war again gramps? ... you need to realise it's the 21st century now, not 1939 when you were running around in short trousers....
and if you want youthfulness to be tempered by wisdom then it might be an idea for you to keep quiet and let someone else do the talking "Then carry on lad. By the time the shit hits the fan I'll probably be long gone so you and your kids will have to sweep up the shit. Just as mine had to sweep up after Wilson and Callaghan. I'm sure you will have fun with that. Mock and laugh and call me "Grandpa" as much as you like. Of course you know better, kids always do. But one day the tables will be turned on you. The sad thing is that deep down you know it, but will never admit it, even to yourself. I suppose Churchill summed it up when he said. "He who is not a Socialist at 20 has not heart, but he who is not a Conservative at 30 has no brain". | |||
"I'M NOT THAT FUCKING OLD!!!!!
Vietnam is about as far back as I can go.
However think yourself very lucky that MY parents generation actually stood up to (real) fascism. Had they not my and your generation would have been sent to the camps long ago for even thinking half of the things we write on here.
I admire the spirit of youth but it always needs to be tempered with an older, wiser, more experienced head.
One thing we all must realise is that, whatever the intentions, history will always repeat itself.
I see nothing different for your future.
talking about the war again gramps? ... you need to realise it's the 21st century now, not 1939 when you were running around in short trousers....
and if you want youthfulness to be tempered by wisdom then it might be an idea for you to keep quiet and let someone else do the talking
Then carry on lad. By the time the shit hits the fan I'll probably be long gone so you and your kids will have to sweep up the shit. Just as mine had to sweep up after Wilson and Callaghan.
I'm sure you will have fun with that.
Mock and laugh and call me "Grandpa" as much as you like. Of course you know better, kids always do. But one day the tables will be turned on you. The sad thing is that deep down you know it, but will never admit it, even to yourself.
I suppose Churchill summed it up when he said.
"He who is not a Socialist at 20 has not heart, but he who is not a Conservative at 30 has no brain". "
Or as Jesus would say - forgive them for they know not what they do
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"I'M NOT THAT FUCKING OLD!!!!!
Vietnam is about as far back as I can go.
However think yourself very lucky that MY parents generation actually stood up to (real) fascism. Had they not my and your generation would have been sent to the camps long ago for even thinking half of the things we write on here.
I admire the spirit of youth but it always needs to be tempered with an older, wiser, more experienced head.
One thing we all must realise is that, whatever the intentions, history will always repeat itself.
I see nothing different for your future.
talking about the war again gramps? ... you need to realise it's the 21st century now, not 1939 when you were running around in short trousers....
and if you want youthfulness to be tempered by wisdom then it might be an idea for you to keep quiet and let someone else do the talking
Then carry on lad. By the time the shit hits the fan I'll probably be long gone so you and your kids will have to sweep up the shit. Just as mine had to sweep up after Wilson and Callaghan.
I'm sure you will have fun with that.
Mock and laugh and call me "Grandpa" as much as you like. Of course you know better, kids always do. But one day the tables will be turned on you. The sad thing is that deep down you know it, but will never admit it, even to yourself.
I suppose Churchill summed it up when he said.
"He who is not a Socialist at 20 has not heart, but he who is not a Conservative at 30 has no brain".
Or as Jesus would say - forgive them for they know not what they do
"He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses." -Proverbs 28:27 | |||
"I'M NOT THAT FUCKING OLD!!!!!
Vietnam is about as far back as I can go.
However think yourself very lucky that MY parents generation actually stood up to (real) fascism. Had they not my and your generation would have been sent to the camps long ago for even thinking half of the things we write on here.
I admire the spirit of youth but it always needs to be tempered with an older, wiser, more experienced head.
One thing we all must realise is that, whatever the intentions, history will always repeat itself.
I see nothing different for your future.
talking about the war again gramps? ... you need to realise it's the 21st century now, not 1939 when you were running around in short trousers....
and if you want youthfulness to be tempered by wisdom then it might be an idea for you to keep quiet and let someone else do the talking
Then carry on lad. By the time the shit hits the fan I'll probably be long gone so you and your kids will have to sweep up the shit. Just as mine had to sweep up after Wilson and Callaghan.
I'm sure you will have fun with that.
Mock and laugh and call me "Grandpa" as much as you like. Of course you know better, kids always do. But one day the tables will be turned on you. The sad thing is that deep down you know it, but will never admit it, even to yourself.
I suppose Churchill summed it up when he said.
"He who is not a Socialist at 20 has not heart, but he who is not a Conservative at 30 has no brain".
Or as Jesus would say - forgive them for they know not what they do
"Unlike those that have thrown us into a shit load of chaos by voting for BREXIT and should have been old enough to know better than vote with their emotions rather than their heads. | |||
"I'M NOT THAT FUCKING OLD!!!!!
Vietnam is about as far back as I can go.
However think yourself very lucky that MY parents generation actually stood up to (real) fascism. Had they not my and your generation would have been sent to the camps long ago for even thinking half of the things we write on here.
I admire the spirit of youth but it always needs to be tempered with an older, wiser, more experienced head.
One thing we all must realise is that, whatever the intentions, history will always repeat itself.
I see nothing different for your future.
talking about the war again gramps? ... you need to realise it's the 21st century now, not 1939 when you were running around in short trousers....
and if you want youthfulness to be tempered by wisdom then it might be an idea for you to keep quiet and let someone else do the talking
Then carry on lad. By the time the shit hits the fan I'll probably be long gone so you and your kids will have to sweep up the shit. Just as mine had to sweep up after Wilson and Callaghan.
I'm sure you will have fun with that.
Mock and laugh and call me "Grandpa" as much as you like. Of course you know better, kids always do. But one day the tables will be turned on you. The sad thing is that deep down you know it, but will never admit it, even to yourself.
I suppose Churchill summed it up when he said.
"He who is not a Socialist at 20 has not heart, but he who is not a Conservative at 30 has no brain".
Or as Jesus would say - forgive them for they know not what they do
He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses."
-Proverbs 28:27
"Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. Mathew 13:12 Never a good idea to use the good book in an argument. Just saying. | |||
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"If Ashcroft's polling is to be believed, the only age group who substantially prefer Tories to Labour are the 55 and over, with 47% of 55-64 and 59% of the 65+ voting Tory. 45-54 is Tories 40%, Labour 39%. 35-44 Tories 30%, Labour 50%. 25-34 Tories 22%, Labour 58%. 18-24 Tories 18%, Labour 67%. So this idea of just the youth vote pushing Labour to their upswing is massively flawed. It counts, but Labour have activated voters across the age groups, and they are people of an age who will get out on the streets and earn the party votes. The Tories don't have a hope of matching that. Chilling stuff for the Conservative party, their only reliable voting block is dying off. Also, I'm hearing that Labour has picked up over 150,000 new members since last Friday. Amazing if true, the party is looking fighting fit." They're campaigning to get the membership to 1 million, ready for the next election. | |||
"I'M NOT THAT FUCKING OLD!!!!!
Vietnam is about as far back as I can go.
However think yourself very lucky that MY parents generation actually stood up to (real) fascism. Had they not my and your generation would have been sent to the camps long ago for even thinking half of the things we write on here.
I admire the spirit of youth but it always needs to be tempered with an older, wiser, more experienced head.
One thing we all must realise is that, whatever the intentions, history will always repeat itself.
I see nothing different for your future.
talking about the war again gramps? ... you need to realise it's the 21st century now, not 1939 when you were running around in short trousers....
and if you want youthfulness to be tempered by wisdom then it might be an idea for you to keep quiet and let someone else do the talking
Then carry on lad. By the time the shit hits the fan I'll probably be long gone so you and your kids will have to sweep up the shit. Just as mine had to sweep up after Wilson and Callaghan.
I'm sure you will have fun with that.
Mock and laugh and call me "Grandpa" as much as you like. Of course you know better, kids always do. But one day the tables will be turned on you. The sad thing is that deep down you know it, but will never admit it, even to yourself.
I suppose Churchill summed it up when he said.
"He who is not a Socialist at 20 has not heart, but he who is not a Conservative at 30 has no brain". "Churchill is hardly a paragon of intellect though is he? He might be a master of the pithy saying, but that's about it. He managed to find his calling fighting Hitler, but was routed shortly after - "Cometh the hour, Cometh the man" as one might say. In order to fight Hitler, you probably had to be something of a ruthless bastard yourself, which he was. | |||
"I suppose Churchill summed it up when he said. "He who is not a Socialist at 20 has not heart, but he who is not a Conservative at 30 has no brain". " still bleating on about the war gramps? maybe you should go for your nap now, you'll have worn yourself out | |||
"If Ashcroft's polling is to be believed, the only age group who substantially prefer Tories to Labour are the 55 and over, with 47% of 55-64 and 59% of the 65+ voting Tory. 45-54 is Tories 40%, Labour 39%. 35-44 Tories 30%, Labour 50%. 25-34 Tories 22%, Labour 58%. 18-24 Tories 18%, Labour 67%. So this idea of just the youth vote pushing Labour to their upswing is massively flawed. It counts, but Labour have activated voters across the age groups, and they are people of an age who will get out on the streets and earn the party votes. The Tories don't have a hope of matching that. Chilling stuff for the Conservative party, their only reliable voting block is dying off. Also, I'm hearing that Labour has picked up over 150,000 new members since last Friday. Amazing if true, the party is looking fighting fit." You do realise a good proportion of those votes you picked up last Thursday were ukip voters. Yes the same ukip voters you've been slagging off for the last 5 years on here and calling them racist and xenophobic and bigoted. Now if the Labour party start making trouble in parliament and throwing obstacles in the way of brexit you can be sure those ukip votes you gained will disappear at the next general election. Added to that Nigel Farage said if it looks like we are going to get a soft Brexit then he will make a return to front line politics (maybe to return as ukip leader) and he would reclaim all of those ukip votes in an instant from Labour if he returns. The Conservatives would be smart enough to call the next general election on a student holiday so students won't be at halls of residence and could be hundreds of miles away back visiting family. Your student vote would decrease massively. You are treading on very shaky ground, rather than fighting fit your vote share increase could just as easily disappear at the next election. | |||
"I'M NOT THAT FUCKING OLD!!!!!
Vietnam is about as far back as I can go.
However think yourself very lucky that MY parents generation actually stood up to (real) fascism. Had they not my and your generation would have been sent to the camps long ago for even thinking half of the things we write on here.
I admire the spirit of youth but it always needs to be tempered with an older, wiser, more experienced head.
One thing we all must realise is that, whatever the intentions, history will always repeat itself.
I see nothing different for your future.
talking about the war again gramps? ... you need to realise it's the 21st century now, not 1939 when you were running around in short trousers....
and if you want youthfulness to be tempered by wisdom then it might be an idea for you to keep quiet and let someone else do the talking "Maybe you too should realise it is the 21st century now and not the 1970's. Make sure Corbyn gets the memo, he and his politics are a decrepit old relic of the past. | |||
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"I'M NOT THAT FUCKING OLD!!!!!
Vietnam is about as far back as I can go.
However think yourself very lucky that MY parents generation actually stood up to (real) fascism. Had they not my and your generation would have been sent to the camps long ago for even thinking half of the things we write on here.
I admire the spirit of youth but it always needs to be tempered with an older, wiser, more experienced head.
One thing we all must realise is that, whatever the intentions, history will always repeat itself.
I see nothing different for your future.
talking about the war again gramps? ... you need to realise it's the 21st century now, not 1939 when you were running around in short trousers....
and if you want youthfulness to be tempered by wisdom then it might be an idea for you to keep quiet and let someone else do the talking
Maybe you too should realise it is the 21st century now and not the 1970's. Make sure Corbyn gets the memo, he and his politics are a decrepit old relic of the past. "It feels like the 80s though. Aren't we following an economic model off the 60s? We need something more progressive. Other countries have nationalisation, free education, great health service. Why aspiring for what other countries have is seen as regressive? Aren't we taking ideas of what is happening now? Anyone see the Tory voter get confused about nationalisation on LBC? | |||
" Maybe you too should realise it is the 21st century now and not the 1970's. Make sure Corbyn gets the memo, he and his politics are a decrepit old relic of the past. " says the 1970's style BNP member  | |||
" Maybe you too should realise it is the 21st century now and not the 1970's. Make sure Corbyn gets the memo, he and his politics are a decrepit old relic of the past. " ... says the guy who has dragged us back to 1973 and the days before the common market | |||
" Maybe you too should realise it is the 21st century now and not the 1970's. Make sure Corbyn gets the memo, he and his politics are a decrepit old relic of the past. ... says the guy who has dragged us back to 1973 and the days before the common market "Your hero clueless Corbyn would have to leave the single market to implement his manifesto promises on nationalisation. EU single market rules forbid nationalisation of things like the railways. Corbyn would have to leave the single market if he wants to nationalise everything. | |||
"The only people with election fatigue are the tories after getting battered they dont want round 2.(Most are old to be fair ). The youth who voted are full of energy for another battle. People will come out in greater numbers if the sense tory blood in the water . Labour support has been given a shot in the arm. Ah the youth. Bless. Let's face it, it's only a dozen or so years ago that the average 18 year old believed that an old bloke with a white beard and a red coat brought them lots of toys for nothing. So fresh is that in their memories that they are willing to believe that an old bloke with a white beard and a red tie (when he wears one) will give them everything they want and more besides and to them it will cost nothing. What they seem to have collectively forgotten is that as they got older they learned that the first old bloke was actually a myth and Mum and Dad actually fucking well paid for it. A lesson that they would all do well to freshen up on because one day THEY will be the bank of Mum and Dad.
you're just living in the past grandpa
Nay lad. Living in the very real present.
The only difference being that we've seen it all before.
Corbyn's money tree lined yellow brick road only leads to the snowy wastes of Narnia.
Wrap those words up and read them again in 20 years. Then you may understand. Thoses kids in narnia defeated the ice queen.
The youth are optimistic and forward looking they are our future. You are our past and look backwards.
The mistake you tories made was to dismiss the youth.You should expect them to turn up again.
Yes the kids did defeat the ice queen, but that was a fucking fairy story.
Corbyn's icy wastes would oh to real.
We are all a product of our genes and life's experiences.
It's just that we have a lot more of the latter. See above.
did they vote down the 15 year rule after? you might not get a say at the next vote then hey?
I haven't had a say in the last two but hey ho, I can still stick my two penneth in.
nah, it just makes your stories about the war and stuff completely irrelevant don't it
I'M NOT THAT FUCKING OLD!!!!!
Vietnam is about as far back as I can go.
However think yourself very lucky that MY parents generation actually stood up to (real) fascism. Had they not my and your generation would have been sent to the camps long ago for even thinking half of the things we write on here.
I admire the spirit of youth but it always needs to be tempered with an older, wiser, more experienced head.
One thing we all must realise is that, whatever the intentions, history will always repeat itself.
I see nothing different for your future.
Oh, for God's sake! I'm way older than you but you sound like my grandparents!
Give over on the 'I've got years of experience and I remember when Harold Wilson was Prime Minister' stuff.
The world has changed but you're still living in the past.
Give the next few generations a break. They've already had a large chunk of their future destroyed by a bunch of myopic old farts voting for Brexit. They don't need a load of geriatric tories ruining it for them further.
And here in lies the rub.
How can anyone who voted in favour of BREXIT, which risks the economic future of this country simply so that they can cry "Harry, George and England", them tell others that they shouldn't vote for £30,000 of student debt relief because that will wreck the economy?
The economic authority of the Conservative party, and it's members and supporters who backed or voted for BREXIT, simply no longer exits."Hate to spike your guns but the conservative PARTY supported REMAIN! Just as labour did. Some politicians...from both parties...supported leave. What the conservatives did was to ACCEPT the democratic decision and act upon the will of the people. Even in the last election Corbyn said brexit would happen..... at least he did in pro leave seats. He tended to keep quiet in remain areas....that's the whole point of the cunning plan! | |||
"The only people with election fatigue are the tories after getting battered they dont want round 2.(Most are old to be fair ). The youth who voted are full of energy for another battle. People will come out in greater numbers if the sense tory blood in the water . Labour support has been given a shot in the arm. Ah the youth. Bless. Let's face it, it's only a dozen or so years ago that the average 18 year old believed that an old bloke with a white beard and a red coat brought them lots of toys for nothing. So fresh is that in their memories that they are willing to believe that an old bloke with a white beard and a red tie (when he wears one) will give them everything they want and more besides and to them it will cost nothing. What they seem to have collectively forgotten is that as they got older they learned that the first old bloke was actually a myth and Mum and Dad actually fucking well paid for it. A lesson that they would all do well to freshen up on because one day THEY will be the bank of Mum and Dad.
you're just living in the past grandpa
Nay lad. Living in the very real present.
The only difference being that we've seen it all before.
Corbyn's money tree lined yellow brick road only leads to the snowy wastes of Narnia.
Wrap those words up and read them again in 20 years. Then you may understand. Thoses kids in narnia defeated the ice queen.
The youth are optimistic and forward looking they are our future. You are our past and look backwards.
The mistake you tories made was to dismiss the youth.You should expect them to turn up again.
Yes the kids did defeat the ice queen, but that was a fucking fairy story.
Corbyn's icy wastes would oh to real.
We are all a product of our genes and life's experiences.
It's just that we have a lot more of the latter. See above.
did they vote down the 15 year rule after? you might not get a say at the next vote then hey?
I haven't had a say in the last two but hey ho, I can still stick my two penneth in.
nah, it just makes your stories about the war and stuff completely irrelevant don't it
I'M NOT THAT FUCKING OLD!!!!!
Vietnam is about as far back as I can go.
However think yourself very lucky that MY parents generation actually stood up to (real) fascism. Had they not my and your generation would have been sent to the camps long ago for even thinking half of the things we write on here.
I admire the spirit of youth but it always needs to be tempered with an older, wiser, more experienced head.
One thing we all must realise is that, whatever the intentions, history will always repeat itself.
I see nothing different for your future.
Oh, for God's sake! I'm way older than you but you sound like my grandparents!
Give over on the 'I've got years of experience and I remember when Harold Wilson was Prime Minister' stuff.
The world has changed but you're still living in the past.
Give the next few generations a break. They've already had a large chunk of their future destroyed by a bunch of myopic old farts voting for Brexit. They don't need a load of geriatric tories ruining it for them further.
And here in lies the rub.
How can anyone who voted in favour of BREXIT, which risks the economic future of this country simply so that they can cry "Harry, George and England", them tell others that they shouldn't vote for £30,000 of student debt relief because that will wreck the economy?
The economic authority of the Conservative party, and it's members and supporters who backed or voted for BREXIT, simply no longer exits.
Hate to spike your guns but the conservative PARTY supported REMAIN! Just as labour did. Some politicians...from both parties...supported leave.
What the conservatives did was to ACCEPT the democratic decision and act upon the will of the people.
Even in the last election Corbyn said brexit would happen..... at least he did in pro leave seats. He tended to keep quiet in remain areas....that's the whole point of the cunning plan!"Just because the majority voted to leave the EU almost a year ago doesn't an economically suicidal policy has to be followed and nor that I, or anyone else, including the Conservative party have to support it. The will of the people expressed in the referendum was to leave the EU, not commit economical suicide. It's hardly 'strong and stable leadership' to lead the people over the edge of a cliff just because they can't, or couldn't, see it's there. You are another of those people who can't understand why the young risk the economy by voting for £30,000 in student debt relief but seem to think it's ok to risk their future prosperity just so you can wave a union jack and cry god for Harry, St. George and England. | |||
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"Labour took a larger share of every voting age range other than 'retired'. Some reports have Labour as successfully getting 20% of Daily Mail readers. A thread about their cunning plan descends into a Brexit thread or Labour bonkers instead of looking at what Labour actually did to secure this level of voter turnout, so soon after local elections and two years of GE and Referendum. Whatever your politics, ensuring an effective opposition is key to our democracy. With the PLP cheering Corbyn, for the first time, we might actually have one now. The election has forced May to say austerity is over, it isn't and I don't think it's anything more than rhetoric but she had to say it. If that is a result of a good campaign from Labour then we're already doing better in terms of holding our government to account. As to Brexit, A50 was triggered. WE do not have a choice but to leave now unless all other member states unanimously approve us withdrawing it and the European Court agrees. So you can stop arguing about in/out/shake it all about. "There is differing legal opinion as to whether article 50 can be rescinded prior to our actual exit. However, there is no legal disagreement that we have the right to change the terms on which we choose to negotiate are leaving. As for why Labour did so well. I think it's simple. The Conservatives offered economic insecurity in return for nothing except the right to cry "God for Harry, St. George and England" while Labour offered economic insecurity in return for student debt relief and more spending on education, health, social care and pretty much everything else. Given that choice I'm surprised Labour didn't actually win. | |||
"Labour took a larger share of every voting age range other than 'retired'. Some reports have Labour as successfully getting 20% of Daily Mail readers. A thread about their cunning plan descends into a Brexit thread or Labour bonkers instead of looking at what Labour actually did to secure this level of voter turnout, so soon after local elections and two years of GE and Referendum. Whatever your politics, ensuring an effective opposition is key to our democracy. With the PLP cheering Corbyn, for the first time, we might actually have one now. The election has forced May to say austerity is over, it isn't and I don't think it's anything more than rhetoric but she had to say it. If that is a result of a good campaign from Labour then we're already doing better in terms of holding our government to account. As to Brexit, A50 was triggered. WE do not have a choice but to leave now unless all other member states unanimously approve us withdrawing it and the European Court agrees. So you can stop arguing about in/out/shake it all about.
There is differing legal opinion as to whether article 50 can be rescinded prior to our actual exit. However, there is no legal disagreement that we have the right to change the terms on which we choose to negotiate are leaving.
As for why Labour did so well. I think it's simple. The Conservatives offered economic insecurity in return for nothing except the right to cry "God for Harry, St. George and England" while Labour offered economic insecurity in return for student debt relief and more spending on education, health, social care and pretty much everything else. Given that choice I'm surprised Labour didn't actually win."I don't think it was as simple as that. May didn't say anything other than strong and stable/stable and strong for 3 weeks. Like them or not, Corbyn had a pretty determined base in Momentum, which had been building for two years. He'd crisscrossed the country every year since Milliband stood down. The mainstream, established, paper press and radio/television media didn't once put forward a positive spin on Corbyn or Labour. They did well with those using social media, even when the message was rubbishing them from the other side. Labour didn't put forward much different than you would expect for a left wing party but they tapped into the feeling that austerity just keeps being extended and yet borrowing was up. Then May thought she was invincible enough to put forward a programme that took from Conservatives but didn't give to the JAMs she had said she was there to support. As more name calling of Corbyn went on he didn't participate in slinging mud back. I've heard three people I know who always voted Conservative say that he came across as nicer. Smile and wave worked for him. | |||
"Labour took a larger share of every voting age range other than 'retired'. Some reports have Labour as successfully getting 20% of Daily Mail readers. A thread about their cunning plan descends into a Brexit thread or Labour bonkers instead of looking at what Labour actually did to secure this level of voter turnout, so soon after local elections and two years of GE and Referendum. Whatever your politics, ensuring an effective opposition is key to our democracy. With the PLP cheering Corbyn, for the first time, we might actually have one now. The election has forced May to say austerity is over, it isn't and I don't think it's anything more than rhetoric but she had to say it. If that is a result of a good campaign from Labour then we're already doing better in terms of holding our government to account. As to Brexit, A50 was triggered. WE do not have a choice but to leave now unless all other member states unanimously approve us withdrawing it and the European Court agrees. So you can stop arguing about in/out/shake it all about.
There is differing legal opinion as to whether article 50 can be rescinded prior to our actual exit. However, there is no legal disagreement that we have the right to change the terms on which we choose to negotiate are leaving.
As for why Labour did so well. I think it's simple. The Conservatives offered economic insecurity in return for nothing except the right to cry "God for Harry, St. George and England" while Labour offered economic insecurity in return for student debt relief and more spending on education, health, social care and pretty much everything else. Given that choice I'm surprised Labour didn't actually win.
I don't think it was as simple as that.
May didn't say anything other than strong and stable/stable and strong for 3 weeks. Like them or not, Corbyn had a pretty determined base in Momentum, which had been building for two years. He'd crisscrossed the country every year since Milliband stood down.
The mainstream, established, paper press and radio/television media didn't once put forward a positive spin on Corbyn or Labour. They did well with those using social media, even when the message was rubbishing them from the other side.
Labour didn't put forward much different than you would expect for a left wing party but they tapped into the feeling that austerity just keeps being extended and yet borrowing was up. Then May thought she was invincible enough to put forward a programme that took from Conservatives but didn't give to the JAMs she had said she was there to support.
As more name calling of Corbyn went on he didn't participate in slinging mud back. I've heard three people I know who always voted Conservative say that he came across as nicer. Smile and wave worked for him.
"Apart from saying I thought he was a useless leader, and let's face it even most of Labour believed that 7 weeks ago, I've not taken part in the general Jeremy bashing that seems to have become the main argument of the right to a hard left candidate currently. But then when the right choose to throw away the economic argument by backing a suicidal BREXIT policy, I guess there is very little left for them to fight with. | |||
"Labour took a larger share of every voting age range other than 'retired'. Some reports have Labour as successfully getting 20% of Daily Mail readers. A thread about their cunning plan descends into a Brexit thread or Labour bonkers instead of looking at what Labour actually did to secure this level of voter turnout, so soon after local elections and two years of GE and Referendum. Whatever your politics, ensuring an effective opposition is key to our democracy. With the PLP cheering Corbyn, for the first time, we might actually have one now. The election has forced May to say austerity is over, it isn't and I don't think it's anything more than rhetoric but she had to say it. If that is a result of a good campaign from Labour then we're already doing better in terms of holding our government to account. As to Brexit, A50 was triggered. WE do not have a choice but to leave now unless all other member states unanimously approve us withdrawing it and the European Court agrees. So you can stop arguing about in/out/shake it all about.
There is differing legal opinion as to whether article 50 can be rescinded prior to our actual exit. However, there is no legal disagreement that we have the right to change the terms on which we choose to negotiate are leaving.
As for why Labour did so well. I think it's simple. The Conservatives offered economic insecurity in return for nothing except the right to cry "God for Harry, St. George and England" while Labour offered economic insecurity in return for student debt relief and more spending on education, health, social care and pretty much everything else. Given that choice I'm surprised Labour didn't actually win.
I don't think it was as simple as that.
May didn't say anything other than strong and stable/stable and strong for 3 weeks. Like them or not, Corbyn had a pretty determined base in Momentum, which had been building for two years. He'd crisscrossed the country every year since Milliband stood down.
The mainstream, established, paper press and radio/television media didn't once put forward a positive spin on Corbyn or Labour. They did well with those using social media, even when the message was rubbishing them from the other side.
Labour didn't put forward much different than you would expect for a left wing party but they tapped into the feeling that austerity just keeps being extended and yet borrowing was up. Then May thought she was invincible enough to put forward a programme that took from Conservatives but didn't give to the JAMs she had said she was there to support.
As more name calling of Corbyn went on he didn't participate in slinging mud back. I've heard three people I know who always voted Conservative say that he came across as nicer. Smile and wave worked for him.
Apart from saying I thought he was a useless leader, and let's face it even most of Labour believed that 7 weeks ago, I've not taken part in the general Jeremy bashing that seems to have become the main argument of the right to a hard left candidate currently. But then when the right choose to throw away the economic argument by backing a suicidal BREXIT policy, I guess there is very little left for them to fight with."The left back Brexit too now, it was in the Labour manifesto to LEAVE the EU. It has finally dawned on Dim Farron and the Lib dems that Remain is a lost cause, his hopeless position of remaining in the EU could only muster around 8% of the vote for the Lib dems in the general election and that's why he has given up and resigned today. | |||
"Labour took a larger share of every voting age range other than 'retired'. Some reports have Labour as successfully getting 20% of Daily Mail readers. A thread about their cunning plan descends into a Brexit thread or Labour bonkers instead of looking at what Labour actually did to secure this level of voter turnout, so soon after local elections and two years of GE and Referendum. Whatever your politics, ensuring an effective opposition is key to our democracy. With the PLP cheering Corbyn, for the first time, we might actually have one now. The election has forced May to say austerity is over, it isn't and I don't think it's anything more than rhetoric but she had to say it. If that is a result of a good campaign from Labour then we're already doing better in terms of holding our government to account. As to Brexit, A50 was triggered. WE do not have a choice but to leave now unless all other member states unanimously approve us withdrawing it and the European Court agrees. So you can stop arguing about in/out/shake it all about.
There is differing legal opinion as to whether article 50 can be rescinded prior to our actual exit. However, there is no legal disagreement that we have the right to change the terms on which we choose to negotiate are leaving.
As for why Labour did so well. I think it's simple. The Conservatives offered economic insecurity in return for nothing except the right to cry "God for Harry, St. George and England" while Labour offered economic insecurity in return for student debt relief and more spending on education, health, social care and pretty much everything else. Given that choice I'm surprised Labour didn't actually win.
I don't think it was as simple as that.
May didn't say anything other than strong and stable/stable and strong for 3 weeks. Like them or not, Corbyn had a pretty determined base in Momentum, which had been building for two years. He'd crisscrossed the country every year since Milliband stood down.
The mainstream, established, paper press and radio/television media didn't once put forward a positive spin on Corbyn or Labour. They did well with those using social media, even when the message was rubbishing them from the other side.
Labour didn't put forward much different than you would expect for a left wing party but they tapped into the feeling that austerity just keeps being extended and yet borrowing was up. Then May thought she was invincible enough to put forward a programme that took from Conservatives but didn't give to the JAMs she had said she was there to support.
As more name calling of Corbyn went on he didn't participate in slinging mud back. I've heard three people I know who always voted Conservative say that he came across as nicer. Smile and wave worked for him.
Apart from saying I thought he was a useless leader, and let's face it even most of Labour believed that 7 weeks ago, I've not taken part in the general Jeremy bashing that seems to have become the main argument of the right to a hard left candidate currently. But then when the right choose to throw away the economic argument by backing a suicidal BREXIT policy, I guess there is very little left for them to fight with.
The left back Brexit too now, it was in the Labour manifesto to LEAVE the EU. It has finally dawned on Dim Farron and the Lib dems that Remain is a lost cause, his hopeless position of remaining in the EU could only muster around 8% of the vote for the Lib dems in the general election and that's why he has given up and resigned today. "Ideologically, Brexit is more in line with the left anyway, if they had to choose. Many on the left (possibly Jeremy Corbyn included) don't really see it as a left/right issue as a European capitalist federalism means very little when compared to a right wing sole rule UK government for the working man. | |||
"Labour took a larger share of every voting age range other than 'retired'. Some reports have Labour as successfully getting 20% of Daily Mail readers. A thread about their cunning plan descends into a Brexit thread or Labour bonkers instead of looking at what Labour actually did to secure this level of voter turnout, so soon after local elections and two years of GE and Referendum. Whatever your politics, ensuring an effective opposition is key to our democracy. With the PLP cheering Corbyn, for the first time, we might actually have one now. The election has forced May to say austerity is over, it isn't and I don't think it's anything more than rhetoric but she had to say it. If that is a result of a good campaign from Labour then we're already doing better in terms of holding our government to account. As to Brexit, A50 was triggered. WE do not have a choice but to leave now unless all other member states unanimously approve us withdrawing it and the European Court agrees. So you can stop arguing about in/out/shake it all about.
There is differing legal opinion as to whether article 50 can be rescinded prior to our actual exit. However, there is no legal disagreement that we have the right to change the terms on which we choose to negotiate are leaving.
As for why Labour did so well. I think it's simple. The Conservatives offered economic insecurity in return for nothing except the right to cry "God for Harry, St. George and England" while Labour offered economic insecurity in return for student debt relief and more spending on education, health, social care and pretty much everything else. Given that choice I'm surprised Labour didn't actually win.
I don't think it was as simple as that.
May didn't say anything other than strong and stable/stable and strong for 3 weeks. Like them or not, Corbyn had a pretty determined base in Momentum, which had been building for two years. He'd crisscrossed the country every year since Milliband stood down.
The mainstream, established, paper press and radio/television media didn't once put forward a positive spin on Corbyn or Labour. They did well with those using social media, even when the message was rubbishing them from the other side.
Labour didn't put forward much different than you would expect for a left wing party but they tapped into the feeling that austerity just keeps being extended and yet borrowing was up. Then May thought she was invincible enough to put forward a programme that took from Conservatives but didn't give to the JAMs she had said she was there to support.
As more name calling of Corbyn went on he didn't participate in slinging mud back. I've heard three people I know who always voted Conservative say that he came across as nicer. Smile and wave worked for him.
Apart from saying I thought he was a useless leader, and let's face it even most of Labour believed that 7 weeks ago, I've not taken part in the general Jeremy bashing that seems to have become the main argument of the right to a hard left candidate currently. But then when the right choose to throw away the economic argument by backing a suicidal BREXIT policy, I guess there is very little left for them to fight with.
The left back Brexit too now, it was in the Labour manifesto to LEAVE the EU. It has finally dawned on Dim Farron and the Lib dems that Remain is a lost cause, his hopeless position of remaining in the EU could only muster around 8% of the vote for the Lib dems in the general election and that's why he has given up and resigned today.
Ideologically, Brexit is more in line with the left anyway, if they had to choose. Many on the left (possibly Jeremy Corbyn included) don't really see it as a left/right issue as a European capitalist federalism means very little when compared to a right wing sole rule UK government for the working man. "I agree, BREXIT is far more inline with a left wing, socialist view of the world than a liberal, open and free market view of the world. I also believe, and have said before that Jeremy is, and has always been even before we new the word, a BREXITer. It's no surprise to me that the hard left are happy to back an economically suicidal policy, in fact it's what I expect. However it doesn't change my basic point that, given the choice of an economically suicidal policy that offers nothing to anyone and an economically suicidal policy that offers to give everything to everyone (or at least many of them) It's no surprise that many chose the latter, is it? I also warned on here and other places that people should vote for what they believed in and not against what they feared because when their votes were counted it would be used as part of the mandate for whoever they voted for and that wouldn't be what they actually wanted. BREXITers are doing this now with both the Labour and Conservative votes but we all know that, in reality and on this site, many who voted Labour are very strongly antiBREXIT. | |||
"Labour took a larger share of every voting age range other than 'retired'. Some reports have Labour as successfully getting 20% of Daily Mail readers. A thread about their cunning plan descends into a Brexit thread or Labour bonkers instead of looking at what Labour actually did to secure this level of voter turnout, so soon after local elections and two years of GE and Referendum. Whatever your politics, ensuring an effective opposition is key to our democracy. With the PLP cheering Corbyn, for the first time, we might actually have one now. The election has forced May to say austerity is over, it isn't and I don't think it's anything more than rhetoric but she had to say it. If that is a result of a good campaign from Labour then we're already doing better in terms of holding our government to account. As to Brexit, A50 was triggered. WE do not have a choice but to leave now unless all other member states unanimously approve us withdrawing it and the European Court agrees. So you can stop arguing about in/out/shake it all about.
There is differing legal opinion as to whether article 50 can be rescinded prior to our actual exit. However, there is no legal disagreement that we have the right to change the terms on which we choose to negotiate are leaving.
As for why Labour did so well. I think it's simple. The Conservatives offered economic insecurity in return for nothing except the right to cry "God for Harry, St. George and England" while Labour offered economic insecurity in return for student debt relief and more spending on education, health, social care and pretty much everything else. Given that choice I'm surprised Labour didn't actually win.
I don't think it was as simple as that.
May didn't say anything other than strong and stable/stable and strong for 3 weeks. Like them or not, Corbyn had a pretty determined base in Momentum, which had been building for two years. He'd crisscrossed the country every year since Milliband stood down.
The mainstream, established, paper press and radio/television media didn't once put forward a positive spin on Corbyn or Labour. They did well with those using social media, even when the message was rubbishing them from the other side.
Labour didn't put forward much different than you would expect for a left wing party but they tapped into the feeling that austerity just keeps being extended and yet borrowing was up. Then May thought she was invincible enough to put forward a programme that took from Conservatives but didn't give to the JAMs she had said she was there to support.
As more name calling of Corbyn went on he didn't participate in slinging mud back. I've heard three people I know who always voted Conservative say that he came across as nicer. Smile and wave worked for him.
Apart from saying I thought he was a useless leader, and let's face it even most of Labour believed that 7 weeks ago, I've not taken part in the general Jeremy bashing that seems to have become the main argument of the right to a hard left candidate currently. But then when the right choose to throw away the economic argument by backing a suicidal BREXIT policy, I guess there is very little left for them to fight with.
The left back Brexit too now, it was in the Labour manifesto to LEAVE the EU. It has finally dawned on Dim Farron and the Lib dems that Remain is a lost cause, his hopeless position of remaining in the EU could only muster around 8% of the vote for the Lib dems in the general election and that's why he has given up and resigned today.
Ideologically, Brexit is more in line with the left anyway, if they had to choose. Many on the left (possibly Jeremy Corbyn included) don't really see it as a left/right issue as a European capitalist federalism means very little when compared to a right wing sole rule UK government for the working man.
I agree, BREXIT is far more inline with a left wing, socialist view of the world than a liberal, open and free market view of the world. I also believe, and have said before that Jeremy is, and has always been even before we new the word, a BREXITer. It's no surprise to me that the hard left are happy to back an economically suicidal policy, in fact it's what I expect. However it doesn't change my basic point that, given the choice of an economically suicidal policy that offers nothing to anyone and an economically suicidal policy that offers to give everything to everyone (or at least many of them) It's no surprise that many chose the latter, is it?
I also warned on here and other places that people should vote for what they believed in and not against what they feared because when their votes were counted it would be used as part of the mandate for whoever they voted for and that wouldn't be what they actually wanted. BREXITers are doing this now with both the Labour and Conservative votes but we all know that, in reality and on this site, many who voted Labour are very strongly antiBREXIT."I voted labour and am strongly anti-brexit. As are, to be honest, most of the people I know. -Matt | |||
"Labour took a larger share of every voting age range other than 'retired'. Some reports have Labour as successfully getting 20% of Daily Mail readers. A thread about their cunning plan descends into a Brexit thread or Labour bonkers instead of looking at what Labour actually did to secure this level of voter turnout, so soon after local elections and two years of GE and Referendum. Whatever your politics, ensuring an effective opposition is key to our democracy. With the PLP cheering Corbyn, for the first time, we might actually have one now. The election has forced May to say austerity is over, it isn't and I don't think it's anything more than rhetoric but she had to say it. If that is a result of a good campaign from Labour then we're already doing better in terms of holding our government to account. As to Brexit, A50 was triggered. WE do not have a choice but to leave now unless all other member states unanimously approve us withdrawing it and the European Court agrees. So you can stop arguing about in/out/shake it all about.
There is differing legal opinion as to whether article 50 can be rescinded prior to our actual exit. However, there is no legal disagreement that we have the right to change the terms on which we choose to negotiate are leaving.
As for why Labour did so well. I think it's simple. The Conservatives offered economic insecurity in return for nothing except the right to cry "God for Harry, St. George and England" while Labour offered economic insecurity in return for student debt relief and more spending on education, health, social care and pretty much everything else. Given that choice I'm surprised Labour didn't actually win.
I don't think it was as simple as that.
May didn't say anything other than strong and stable/stable and strong for 3 weeks. Like them or not, Corbyn had a pretty determined base in Momentum, which had been building for two years. He'd crisscrossed the country every year since Milliband stood down.
The mainstream, established, paper press and radio/television media didn't once put forward a positive spin on Corbyn or Labour. They did well with those using social media, even when the message was rubbishing them from the other side.
Labour didn't put forward much different than you would expect for a left wing party but they tapped into the feeling that austerity just keeps being extended and yet borrowing was up. Then May thought she was invincible enough to put forward a programme that took from Conservatives but didn't give to the JAMs she had said she was there to support.
As more name calling of Corbyn went on he didn't participate in slinging mud back. I've heard three people I know who always voted Conservative say that he came across as nicer. Smile and wave worked for him.
Apart from saying I thought he was a useless leader, and let's face it even most of Labour believed that 7 weeks ago, I've not taken part in the general Jeremy bashing that seems to have become the main argument of the right to a hard left candidate currently. But then when the right choose to throw away the economic argument by backing a suicidal BREXIT policy, I guess there is very little left for them to fight with.
The left back Brexit too now, it was in the Labour manifesto to LEAVE the EU. It has finally dawned on Dim Farron and the Lib dems that Remain is a lost cause, his hopeless position of remaining in the EU could only muster around 8% of the vote for the Lib dems in the general election and that's why he has given up and resigned today.
Ideologically, Brexit is more in line with the left anyway, if they had to choose. Many on the left (possibly Jeremy Corbyn included) don't really see it as a left/right issue as a European capitalist federalism means very little when compared to a right wing sole rule UK government for the working man.
I agree, BREXIT is far more inline with a left wing, socialist view of the world than a liberal, open and free market view of the world. I also believe, and have said before that Jeremy is, and has always been even before we new the word, a BREXITer. It's no surprise to me that the hard left are happy to back an economically suicidal policy, in fact it's what I expect. However it doesn't change my basic point that, given the choice of an economically suicidal policy that offers nothing to anyone and an economically suicidal policy that offers to give everything to everyone (or at least many of them) It's no surprise that many chose the latter, is it?
I also warned on here and other places that people should vote for what they believed in and not against what they feared because when their votes were counted it would be used as part of the mandate for whoever they voted for and that wouldn't be what they actually wanted. BREXITers are doing this now with both the Labour and Conservative votes but we all know that, in reality and on this site, many who voted Labour are very strongly antiBREXIT.
I voted labour and am strongly anti-brexit. As are, to be honest, most of the people I know.
-Matt"More fool you for voting for a Labour Brexit manifesto then. | |||
"I voted labour and am strongly anti-brexit. As are, to be honest, most of the people I know. -Matt More fool you for voting for a Labour Brexit manifesto then. " Aren't you meant to start yelling about 'democracy' and the 'will of the people' about now? I mean surely I couldn't vote for a party that would be so un-democratic as to defy the will of the people, surely? Oh... wait... no... you are a UKIP supporter... you can only focus on one policy or topic at a time.
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"I voted labour and am strongly anti-brexit. As are, to be honest, most of the people I know. -Matt More fool you for voting for a Labour Brexit manifesto then. Aren't you meant to start yelling about 'democracy' and the 'will of the people' about now? I mean surely I couldn't vote for a party that would be so un-democratic as to defy the will of the people, surely? Oh... wait... no... you are a UKIP supporter... you can only focus on one policy or topic at a time.
-Matt"This is the decline of centuar. Noticing it throughout the topics. Corbyn is not a hard left. He's a reformist not a revolutionary. Left of Labour yes. Hard left, no. | |||
"I voted labour and am strongly anti-brexit. As are, to be honest, most of the people I know. -Matt More fool you for voting for a Labour Brexit manifesto then. Aren't you meant to start yelling about 'democracy' and the 'will of the people' about now? I mean surely I couldn't vote for a party that would be so un-democratic as to defy the will of the people, surely? Oh... wait... no... you are a UKIP supporter... you can only focus on one policy or topic at a time.
-Matt
This is the decline of centuar. Noticing it throughout the topics. Corbyn is not a hard left. He's a reformist not a revolutionary. Left of Labour yes. Hard left, no."In the same way neither Tories or UKIP are hard right. | |||
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"I voted labour and am strongly anti-brexit. As are, to be honest, most of the people I know. -Matt More fool you for voting for a Labour Brexit manifesto then. Aren't you meant to start yelling about 'democracy' and the 'will of the people' about now? I mean surely I couldn't vote for a party that would be so un-democratic as to defy the will of the people, surely? Oh... wait... no... you are a UKIP supporter... you can only focus on one policy or topic at a time.
-Matt
This is the decline of centuar. Noticing it throughout the topics. Corbyn is not a hard left. He's a reformist not a revolutionary. Left of Labour yes. Hard left, no.
In the same way neither Tories or UKIP are hard right."Agree. To be fair ukip I cannot place. They seem to have a left/right ideology ran by a Tory. | |||
"I voted labour and am strongly anti-brexit. As are, to be honest, most of the people I know. -Matt More fool you for voting for a Labour Brexit manifesto then. Aren't you meant to start yelling about 'democracy' and the 'will of the people' about now? I mean surely I couldn't vote for a party that would be so un-democratic as to defy the will of the people, surely? Oh... wait... no... you are a UKIP supporter... you can only focus on one policy or topic at a time.
-Matt
This is the decline of centuar. Noticing it throughout the topics. Corbyn is not a hard left. He's a reformist not a revolutionary. Left of Labour yes. Hard left, no.
In the same way neither Tories or UKIP are hard right.
Agree. To be fair ukip I cannot place. They seem to have a left/right ideology ran by a Tory."UKIP are pretty far right - their surge in popularity came after the demise in popularity of Nick Griffin, who enjoyed a brief moment (nearly) in the sun with the BNP. UKIP were sort of the more acceptable face of the BNP with similar domestic policies and, of course the desire for a referendum on EU membership. | |||
"If it's a cunning plan it is continuing to appeal today with Corbyn meeting Grenfell House survivors and May not meeting them. It's a fundamentally different approach to people. There's even one article talking about how Grime (the music) helped increase the Labour vote. Another talking about the fox hunting spectre turning animal lovers to Labour. " The Tories are now managing to alienate Catholic voters too, with their courting the DUP.... | |||
"If it's a cunning plan it is continuing to appeal today with Corbyn meeting Grenfell House survivors and May not meeting them. It's a fundamentally different approach to people. There's even one article talking about how Grime (the music) helped increase the Labour vote. Another talking about the fox hunting spectre turning animal lovers to Labour. " May is having meetings with the DUP and negotiating forming a government so her time is being taken up understandably with that at the moment. Corbyn is not having meetings with other party leaders and he is not trying to form any sort of alliance with anyone, Corbyn has lots of spare time on his hands since he found out he won't be Prime Minister. | |||
"If it's a cunning plan it is continuing to appeal today with Corbyn meeting Grenfell House survivors and May not meeting them. It's a fundamentally different approach to people. There's even one article talking about how Grime (the music) helped increase the Labour vote. Another talking about the fox hunting spectre turning animal lovers to Labour. The Tories are now managing to alienate Catholic voters too, with their courting the DUP...." Like Corbyn alienated Protestant voters with his close links to the IRA and Sinn Fein. | |||
"I voted labour and am strongly anti-brexit. As are, to be honest, most of the people I know. -Matt More fool you for voting for a Labour Brexit manifesto then. Aren't you meant to start yelling about 'democracy' and the 'will of the people' about now? I mean surely I couldn't vote for a party that would be so un-democratic as to defy the will of the people, surely? Oh... wait... no... you are a UKIP supporter... you can only focus on one policy or topic at a time.
-Matt"Vote for who you like but you do vote for other policies in the labour manifesto by default when you put your X next to them in the polling booth, Brexit was included in that. As for Ukip they have lots of great policies and I agreed with them on many besides leaving the EU. The Ukip manifesto shows they have much more than one single policy. | |||
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"If it's a cunning plan it is continuing to appeal today with Corbyn meeting Grenfell House survivors and May not meeting them. It's a fundamentally different approach to people. There's even one article talking about how Grime (the music) helped increase the Labour vote. Another talking about the fox hunting spectre turning animal lovers to Labour. The Tories are now managing to alienate Catholic voters too, with their courting the DUP.... Like Corbyn alienated Protestant voters with his close links to the IRA and Sinn Fein. " Not really - that was just smearing duing the election, he denied them and there really isn't any evidence that he has them. However, May is openly courting the DUP to form a working agreement. That's the difference. The problem with smearing someone so much, often in ways that appear contradictory is that people stop believing it. | |||
"If it's a cunning plan it is continuing to appeal today with Corbyn meeting Grenfell House survivors and May not meeting them. It's a fundamentally different approach to people. There's even one article talking about how Grime (the music) helped increase the Labour vote. Another talking about the fox hunting spectre turning animal lovers to Labour. The Tories are now managing to alienate Catholic voters too, with their courting the DUP.... Like Corbyn alienated Protestant voters with his close links to the IRA and Sinn Fein. Not really - that was just smearing duing the election, he denied them and there really isn't any evidence that he has them. However, May is openly courting the DUP to form a working agreement. That's the difference. The problem with smearing someone so much, often in ways that appear contradictory is that people stop believing it." People on here pointed out the many links Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell had to the IRA during the entire general election campaign and backed them up with links as proof. Continue to bury your head in the sand if you choose not to believe it but the evidence is there. As for the DUP then Labour under the leadership of Gordon Brown sought to do a deal and make an alliance with the same people in the DUP when Labour lost the general election in 2010. It was a hung parliament then and the outgoing government get first crack of the whip to try to form a minority government working with other parties. Gordon Brown and Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP in 2010 but the talks failed, Gordon Brown could not form a government and so the Conservatives and the Lib dems formed a coalition. | |||
"If it's a cunning plan it is continuing to appeal today with Corbyn meeting Grenfell House survivors and May not meeting them. It's a fundamentally different approach to people. There's even one article talking about how Grime (the music) helped increase the Labour vote. Another talking about the fox hunting spectre turning animal lovers to Labour. The Tories are now managing to alienate Catholic voters too, with their courting the DUP.... Like Corbyn alienated Protestant voters with his close links to the IRA and Sinn Fein. Not really - that was just smearing duing the election, he denied them and there really isn't any evidence that he has them. However, May is openly courting the DUP to form a working agreement. That's the difference. The problem with smearing someone so much, often in ways that appear contradictory is that people stop believing it. People on here pointed out the many links Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell had to the IRA during the entire general election campaign and backed them up with links as proof. Continue to bury your head in the sand if you choose not to believe it but the evidence is there. As for the DUP then Labour under the leadership of Gordon Brown sought to do a deal and make an alliance with the same people in the DUP when Labour lost the general election in 2010. It was a hung parliament then and the outgoing government get first crack of the whip to try to form a minority government working with other parties. Gordon Brown and Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP in 2010 but the talks failed, Gordon Brown could not form a government and so the Conservatives and the Lib dems formed a coalition. " Except the only real evidence is that Corbyn met members of Sinn Fein, which he never denied. Nobody tried to use them to form a government. If you think that the politics of New Labour have anything to do with Jeremy Corbyns Labour, you have really been missing the point. Besides which, what lead me to make the statement was that I know two people now, both naturally conservative, one served in our forces, both had parents who emmigrated here from Ireland say they would never vote Tory again. I've never heard statements like that from protestants about labour. | |||
"If it's a cunning plan it is continuing to appeal today with Corbyn meeting Grenfell House survivors and May not meeting them. It's a fundamentally different approach to people. There's even one article talking about how Grime (the music) helped increase the Labour vote. Another talking about the fox hunting spectre turning animal lovers to Labour. May is having meetings with the DUP and negotiating forming a government so her time is being taken up understandably with that at the moment. Corbyn is not having meetings with other party leaders and he is not trying to form any sort of alliance with anyone, Corbyn has lots of spare time on his hands since he found out he won't be Prime Minister. "Centaur, the green grin is utterly shameful considering the point was that they were both visiting the site of a horrendous disaster where the death toll is yet to be known. Theresa May going off to meet party members and then negotiate with the DUP, to the potential detriment of the Good Friday Agreement, rather than offer some comfort to the people who have lost EVERYTHING being 'praised' by you is rather sickening. | |||
"If it's a cunning plan it is continuing to appeal today with Corbyn meeting Grenfell House survivors and May not meeting them. It's a fundamentally different approach to people. There's even one article talking about how Grime (the music) helped increase the Labour vote. Another talking about the fox hunting spectre turning animal lovers to Labour. May is having meetings with the DUP and negotiating forming a government so her time is being taken up understandably with that at the moment. Corbyn is not having meetings with other party leaders and he is not trying to form any sort of alliance with anyone, Corbyn has lots of spare time on his hands since he found out he won't be Prime Minister.
Centaur, the green grin is utterly shameful considering the point was that they were both visiting the site of a horrendous disaster where the death toll is yet to be known.
Theresa May going off to meet party members and then negotiate with the DUP, to the potential detriment of the Good Friday Agreement, rather than offer some comfort to the people who have lost EVERYTHING being 'praised' by you is rather sickening.
"What is sickening and shameful is that Labour supporters like you are trying to make political capital out of it and point score over Theresa May after the terrible London tower block tragedy. There is another dedicated thread in the politics forum about the Tower block fire where the usual suspects are trying to lay the blame on Theresa May which is utterly ridiculous considering it was a tragic freak accident/incident which no one can be blamed for. | |||
"If it's a cunning plan it is continuing to appeal today with Corbyn meeting Grenfell House survivors and May not meeting them. It's a fundamentally different approach to people. There's even one article talking about how Grime (the music) helped increase the Labour vote. Another talking about the fox hunting spectre turning animal lovers to Labour. May is having meetings with the DUP and negotiating forming a government so her time is being taken up understandably with that at the moment. Corbyn is not having meetings with other party leaders and he is not trying to form any sort of alliance with anyone, Corbyn has lots of spare time on his hands since he found out he won't be Prime Minister.
Centaur, the green grin is utterly shameful considering the point was that they were both visiting the site of a horrendous disaster where the death toll is yet to be known.
Theresa May going off to meet party members and then negotiate with the DUP, to the potential detriment of the Good Friday Agreement, rather than offer some comfort to the people who have lost EVERYTHING being 'praised' by you is rather sickening.
What is sickening and shameful is that Labour supporters like you are trying to make political capital out of it and point score over Theresa May after the terrible London tower block tragedy. There is another dedicated thread in the politics forum about the Tower block fire where the usual suspects are trying to lay the blame on Theresa May which is utterly ridiculous considering it was a tragic freak accident/incident which no one can be blamed for. "Blame austerity | |||
"If it's a cunning plan it is continuing to appeal today with Corbyn meeting Grenfell House survivors and May not meeting them. It's a fundamentally different approach to people. There's even one article talking about how Grime (the music) helped increase the Labour vote. Another talking about the fox hunting spectre turning animal lovers to Labour. The Tories are now managing to alienate Catholic voters too, with their courting the DUP.... Like Corbyn alienated Protestant voters with his close links to the IRA and Sinn Fein. Not really - that was just smearing duing the election, he denied them and there really isn't any evidence that he has them. However, May is openly courting the DUP to form a working agreement. That's the difference. The problem with smearing someone so much, often in ways that appear contradictory is that people stop believing it. People on here pointed out the many links Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell had to the IRA during the entire general election campaign and backed them up with links as proof. Continue to bury your head in the sand if you choose not to believe it but the evidence is there. As for the DUP then Labour under the leadership of Gordon Brown sought to do a deal and make an alliance with the same people in the DUP when Labour lost the general election in 2010. It was a hung parliament then and the outgoing government get first crack of the whip to try to form a minority government working with other parties. Gordon Brown and Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP in 2010 but the talks failed, Gordon Brown could not form a government and so the Conservatives and the Lib dems formed a coalition. " One was for peace. One was for power. | |||
"If it's a cunning plan it is continuing to appeal today with Corbyn meeting Grenfell House survivors and May not meeting them. It's a fundamentally different approach to people. There's even one article talking about how Grime (the music) helped increase the Labour vote. Another talking about the fox hunting spectre turning animal lovers to Labour. The Tories are now managing to alienate Catholic voters too, with their courting the DUP.... Like Corbyn alienated Protestant voters with his close links to the IRA and Sinn Fein. Not really - that was just smearing duing the election, he denied them and there really isn't any evidence that he has them. However, May is openly courting the DUP to form a working agreement. That's the difference. The problem with smearing someone so much, often in ways that appear contradictory is that people stop believing it. People on here pointed out the many links Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell had to the IRA during the entire general election campaign and backed them up with links as proof. Continue to bury your head in the sand if you choose not to believe it but the evidence is there. As for the DUP then Labour under the leadership of Gordon Brown sought to do a deal and make an alliance with the same people in the DUP when Labour lost the general election in 2010. It was a hung parliament then and the outgoing government get first crack of the whip to try to form a minority government working with other parties. Gordon Brown and Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP in 2010 but the talks failed, Gordon Brown could not form a government and so the Conservatives and the Lib dems formed a coalition. One was for peace. One was for power. " Cameron did too by the way. | |||
"If it's a cunning plan it is continuing to appeal today with Corbyn meeting Grenfell House survivors and May not meeting them. It's a fundamentally different approach to people. There's even one article talking about how Grime (the music) helped increase the Labour vote. Another talking about the fox hunting spectre turning animal lovers to Labour. May is having meetings with the DUP and negotiating forming a government so her time is being taken up understandably with that at the moment. Corbyn is not having meetings with other party leaders and he is not trying to form any sort of alliance with anyone, Corbyn has lots of spare time on his hands since he found out he won't be Prime Minister.
Centaur, the green grin is utterly shameful considering the point was that they were both visiting the site of a horrendous disaster where the death toll is yet to be known.
Theresa May going off to meet party members and then negotiate with the DUP, to the potential detriment of the Good Friday Agreement, rather than offer some comfort to the people who have lost EVERYTHING being 'praised' by you is rather sickening.
What is sickening and shameful is that Labour supporters like you are trying to make political capital out of it and point score over Theresa May after the terrible London tower block tragedy. There is another dedicated thread in the politics forum about the Tower block fire where the usual suspects are trying to lay the blame on Theresa May which is utterly ridiculous considering it was a tragic freak accident/incident which no one can be blamed for.
Blame austerity"That just doesn't stack up. When Labour were splashing the cash from 1997 to 2010 why didn't they install sprinkler systems in all tower blocks then? | |||
"If it's a cunning plan it is continuing to appeal today with Corbyn meeting Grenfell House survivors and May not meeting them. It's a fundamentally different approach to people. There's even one article talking about how Grime (the music) helped increase the Labour vote. Another talking about the fox hunting spectre turning animal lovers to Labour. May is having meetings with the DUP and negotiating forming a government so her time is being taken up understandably with that at the moment. Corbyn is not having meetings with other party leaders and he is not trying to form any sort of alliance with anyone, Corbyn has lots of spare time on his hands since he found out he won't be Prime Minister.
Centaur, the green grin is utterly shameful considering the point was that they were both visiting the site of a horrendous disaster where the death toll is yet to be known.
Theresa May going off to meet party members and then negotiate with the DUP, to the potential detriment of the Good Friday Agreement, rather than offer some comfort to the people who have lost EVERYTHING being 'praised' by you is rather sickening.
What is sickening and shameful is that Labour supporters like you are trying to make political capital out of it and point score over Theresa May after the terrible London tower block tragedy. There is another dedicated thread in the politics forum about the Tower block fire where the usual suspects are trying to lay the blame on Theresa May which is utterly ridiculous considering it was a tragic freak accident/incident which no one can be blamed for.
Blame austerity
That just doesn't stack up. When Labour were splashing the cash from 1997 to 2010 why didn't they install sprinkler systems in all tower blocks then? "It was a joke. A bad one too. See other thread. | |||
"Labour took a larger share of every voting age range other than 'retired'. Some reports have Labour as successfully getting 20% of Daily Mail readers. A thread about their cunning plan descends into a Brexit thread or Labour bonkers instead of looking at what Labour actually did to secure this level of voter turnout, so soon after local elections and two years of GE and Referendum. Whatever your politics, ensuring an effective opposition is key to our democracy. With the PLP cheering Corbyn, for the first time, we might actually have one now. The election has forced May to say austerity is over, it isn't and I don't think it's anything more than rhetoric but she had to say it. If that is a result of a good campaign from Labour then we're already doing better in terms of holding our government to account. As to Brexit, A50 was triggered. WE do not have a choice but to leave now unless all other member states unanimously approve us withdrawing it and the European Court agrees. So you can stop arguing about in/out/shake it all about.
There is differing legal opinion as to whether article 50 can be rescinded prior to our actual exit. However, there is no legal disagreement that we have the right to change the terms on which we choose to negotiate are leaving.
As for why Labour did so well. I think it's simple. The Conservatives offered economic insecurity in return for nothing except the right to cry "God for Harry, St. George and England" while Labour offered economic insecurity in return for student debt relief and more spending on education, health, social care and pretty much everything else. Given that choice I'm surprised Labour didn't actually win.
I don't think it was as simple as that.
May didn't say anything other than strong and stable/stable and strong for 3 weeks. Like them or not, Corbyn had a pretty determined base in Momentum, which had been building for two years. He'd crisscrossed the country every year since Milliband stood down.
The mainstream, established, paper press and radio/television media didn't once put forward a positive spin on Corbyn or Labour. They did well with those using social media, even when the message was rubbishing them from the other side.
Labour didn't put forward much different than you would expect for a left wing party but they tapped into the feeling that austerity just keeps being extended and yet borrowing was up. Then May thought she was invincible enough to put forward a programme that took from Conservatives but didn't give to the JAMs she had said she was there to support.
As more name calling of Corbyn went on he didn't participate in slinging mud back. I've heard three people I know who always voted Conservative say that he came across as nicer. Smile and wave worked for him.
"Just a minor point here...borrowing is down massively. DEBT is still rising because there is still some borrowing. Get a dictionary. Look up two words. Defecit (borrowing. Month on mont or year on year) Debt (the sum total of all the borrowing done since you started counting) But again you are detracting from the original OP.... labour had a brilliant plan by giving different images in different seats. Genius! | |||
"Labour took a larger share of every voting age range other than 'retired'. Some reports have Labour as successfully getting 20% of Daily Mail readers. A thread about their cunning plan descends into a Brexit thread or Labour bonkers instead of looking at what Labour actually did to secure this level of voter turnout, so soon after local elections and two years of GE and Referendum. Whatever your politics, ensuring an effective opposition is key to our democracy. With the PLP cheering Corbyn, for the first time, we might actually have one now. The election has forced May to say austerity is over, it isn't and I don't think it's anything more than rhetoric but she had to say it. If that is a result of a good campaign from Labour then we're already doing better in terms of holding our government to account. As to Brexit, A50 was triggered. WE do not have a choice but to leave now unless all other member states unanimously approve us withdrawing it and the European Court agrees. So you can stop arguing about in/out/shake it all about.
There is differing legal opinion as to whether article 50 can be rescinded prior to our actual exit. However, there is no legal disagreement that we have the right to change the terms on which we choose to negotiate are leaving.
As for why Labour did so well. I think it's simple. The Conservatives offered economic insecurity in return for nothing except the right to cry "God for Harry, St. George and England" while Labour offered economic insecurity in return for student debt relief and more spending on education, health, social care and pretty much everything else. Given that choice I'm surprised Labour didn't actually win.
I don't think it was as simple as that.
May didn't say anything other than strong and stable/stable and strong for 3 weeks. Like them or not, Corbyn had a pretty determined base in Momentum, which had been building for two years. He'd crisscrossed the country every year since Milliband stood down.
The mainstream, established, paper press and radio/television media didn't once put forward a positive spin on Corbyn or Labour. They did well with those using social media, even when the message was rubbishing them from the other side.
Labour didn't put forward much different than you would expect for a left wing party but they tapped into the feeling that austerity just keeps being extended and yet borrowing was up. Then May thought she was invincible enough to put forward a programme that took from Conservatives but didn't give to the JAMs she had said she was there to support.
As more name calling of Corbyn went on he didn't participate in slinging mud back. I've heard three people I know who always voted Conservative say that he came across as nicer. Smile and wave worked for him.
Just a minor point here...borrowing is down massively. DEBT is still rising because there is still some borrowing.
Get a dictionary. Look up two words.
Defecit (borrowing. Month on mont or year on year)
Debt (the sum total of all the borrowing done since you started counting)
But again you are detracting from the original OP.... labour had a brilliant plan by giving different images in different seats. Genius!"I know the difference between debt and deficit, thank you. The point was getting the message out that the Tories had borrowed more than Labour. I didn't realise that the OP needed no discussion or additions. I'll try and remember that politics threads are stand alone statements. | |||
"If it's a cunning plan it is continuing to appeal today with Corbyn meeting Grenfell House survivors and May not meeting them. It's a fundamentally different approach to people. There's even one article talking about how Grime (the music) helped increase the Labour vote. Another talking about the fox hunting spectre turning animal lovers to Labour. The Tories are now managing to alienate Catholic voters too, with their courting the DUP...." Being Catholic I can confirm they the possible CunDUP agreement is distasteful and definitely won't be an encouragement to Conservative. However this deal won't last forever and if or when the Conservatives have what I believe to be the best policies for Britain I will vote for them. Currently I don't believe they do. | |||
"If it's a cunning plan it is continuing to appeal today with Corbyn meeting Grenfell House survivors and May not meeting them. It's a fundamentally different approach to people. There's even one article talking about how Grime (the music) helped increase the Labour vote. Another talking about the fox hunting spectre turning animal lovers to Labour. May is having meetings with the DUP and negotiating forming a government so her time is being taken up understandably with that at the moment. Corbyn is not having meetings with other party leaders and he is not trying to form any sort of alliance with anyone, Corbyn has lots of spare time on his hands since he found out he won't be Prime Minister.
Centaur, the green grin is utterly shameful considering the point was that they were both visiting the site of a horrendous disaster where the death toll is yet to be known.
Theresa May going off to meet party members and then negotiate with the DUP, to the potential detriment of the Good Friday Agreement, rather than offer some comfort to the people who have lost EVERYTHING being 'praised' by you is rather sickening.
What is sickening and shameful is that Labour supporters like you are trying to make political capital out of it and point score over Theresa May after the terrible London tower block tragedy. There is another dedicated thread in the politics forum about the Tower block fire where the usual suspects are trying to lay the blame on Theresa May which is utterly ridiculous considering it was a tragic freak accident/incident which no one can be blamed for. "I partly agree with you about the point scoring. I think tragedies like these should not be used to try and score political points. Maybe Corbyn has handled it better than May but it's not like she's actually done anything wrong by visiting the scene and talking with emergency workers. However I definitely don't think this is a just a tragic freak accident. The implication being that, as an accident, it was unavoidable. Someone, somewhere has done something wrong or made a terrible mistake and, when the immediate crisis is over, we must find out exactly what went wrong and make sure it can never happen again. | |||
"If it's a cunning plan it is continuing to appeal today with Corbyn meeting Grenfell House survivors and May not meeting them. It's a fundamentally different approach to people. There's even one article talking about how Grime (the music) helped increase the Labour vote. Another talking about the fox hunting spectre turning animal lovers to Labour. May is having meetings with the DUP and negotiating forming a government so her time is being taken up understandably with that at the moment. Corbyn is not having meetings with other party leaders and he is not trying to form any sort of alliance with anyone, Corbyn has lots of spare time on his hands since he found out he won't be Prime Minister.
Centaur, the green grin is utterly shameful considering the point was that they were both visiting the site of a horrendous disaster where the death toll is yet to be known.
Theresa May going off to meet party members and then negotiate with the DUP, to the potential detriment of the Good Friday Agreement, rather than offer some comfort to the people who have lost EVERYTHING being 'praised' by you is rather sickening.
What is sickening and shameful is that Labour supporters like you are trying to make political capital out of it and point score over Theresa May after the terrible London tower block tragedy. There is another dedicated thread in the politics forum about the Tower block fire where the usual suspects are trying to lay the blame on Theresa May which is utterly ridiculous considering it was a tragic freak accident/incident which no one can be blamed for.
I partly agree with you about the point scoring. I think tragedies like these should not be used to try and score political points. Maybe Corbyn has handled it better than May but it's not like she's actually done anything wrong by visiting the scene and talking with emergency workers.
However I definitely don't think this is a just a tragic freak accident. The implication being that, as an accident, it was unavoidable. Someone, somewhere has done something wrong or made a terrible mistake and, when the immediate crisis is over, we must find out exactly what went wrong and make sure it can never happen again."Isn't that what you do in accident investigations as well? | |||
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"The realisation dawns. Labours cunning plan is being revealed on a number of discussion programmes. Andrew Marr this morning saying that labour "conned" retainers into thinking a Labour were anti-brexit, while the opposite was proved true in the voting and sacking of three shadow ministers over single market membership. Exactly as McDonald planned. Spin different messages to different audiences. Different lies fir different voters. The man is a genius.....an evil, twisted genius...but a genius non the less!" It's politics.. They all lie.. Twas ever thus.. | |||
" It's politics.. They all lie.. Twas ever thus.. " lies like ... no cuts to front-line services we have absolutely no plans to raise VAT i wouldn't means test it (child benefit) no more top down reorganisations (nhs) we don't have any plans to get rid of them (EMA's) yes we back sure start need to go up (green taxes) ... those kind of lies? | |||
" It's politics.. They all lie.. Twas ever thus.. lies like ... no cuts to front-line services we have absolutely no plans to raise VAT i wouldn't means test it (child benefit) no more top down reorganisations (nhs) we don't have any plans to get rid of them (EMA's) yes we back sure start need to go up (green taxes) ... those kind of lies?" I've never found the argument 'they lie to' to be particularly convincing. Are you saying that it's OK to lie just because others do? | |||
" It's politics.. They all lie.. Twas ever thus.. lies like ... no cuts to front-line services we have absolutely no plans to raise VAT i wouldn't means test it (child benefit) no more top down reorganisations (nhs) we don't have any plans to get rid of them (EMA's) yes we back sure start need to go up (green taxes) ... those kind of lies?"
And boris with his I will not close any fire stations if i become mayor..
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" It's politics.. They all lie.. Twas ever thus.. lies like ... no cuts to front-line services we have absolutely no plans to raise VAT i wouldn't means test it (child benefit) no more top down reorganisations (nhs) we don't have any plans to get rid of them (EMA's) yes we back sure start need to go up (green taxes) ... those kind of lies? I've never found the argument 'they lie to' to be particularly convincing. Are you saying that it's OK to lie just because others do? " only a thick idiot would infer that ... no i'm saying that they all tell lies ... and that's a fact kids | |||
"The realisation dawns. Labours cunning plan is being revealed on a number of discussion programmes. Andrew Marr this morning saying that labour "conned" retainers into thinking a Labour were anti-brexit, while the opposite was proved true in the voting and sacking of three shadow ministers over single market membership. Exactly as McDonald planned. Spin different messages to different audiences. Different lies fir different voters. The man is a genius.....an evil, twisted genius...but a genius non the less!"
Yep many remainers who voted Labour in the general election have had a huge wake up call over the vote on single market membership last week. Labour's official Brexit policy is now revealed, Corbyn and McDonnell want out of the single market and the customs union. | |||
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"It turns out that a lot of University Students have admitted on Social Media to having committed election fraud by voting in two constituencies in the General Election. The way the system is set up, students who study away from home are able to register to vote both at home and in the place thy are studying so that they can vote in LOCAL elections only, however, it would appear that, as has been reported, many have been boasting on Social Media that they voted in both constituencies in order to ramp up the support for Labour. I wonder how many of them will find themselves in deep water over this - and what the implications are for the future. I wonder if the ability to register in two separate locations may be removed." If that's the case then it should definitely by tightened up. Prosecutions should follow. It would fit in well with momentum tactics! | |||
"It turns out that a lot of University Students have admitted on Social Media to having committed election fraud by voting in two constituencies in the General Election. The way the system is set up, students who study away from home are able to register to vote both at home and in the place thy are studying so that they can vote in LOCAL elections only, however, it would appear that, as has been reported, many have been boasting on Social Media that they voted in both constituencies in order to ramp up the support for Labour. I wonder how many of them will find themselves in deep water over this - and what the implications are for the future. I wonder if the ability to register in two separate locations may be removed." Theres no proof of this happening, theres been some right wing publications pushing this story since the election. It seems to have started with Farage on Fox News, not exactly a credible start and no evidence anywhere to be seen. Its as likely this happened as it is for older voters with holiday homes or second homes to have voted twice. But theres no proof of that happening either. | |||
"It turns out that a lot of University Students have admitted on Social Media to having committed election fraud by voting in two constituencies in the General Election. The way the system is set up, students who study away from home are able to register to vote both at home and in the place thy are studying so that they can vote in LOCAL elections only, however, it would appear that, as has been reported, many have been boasting on Social Media that they voted in both constituencies in order to ramp up the support for Labour. I wonder how many of them will find themselves in deep water over this - and what the implications are for the future. I wonder if the ability to register in two separate locations may be removed. Theres no proof of this happening, theres been some right wing publications pushing this story since the election. It seems to have started with Farage on Fox News, not exactly a credible start and no evidence anywhere to be seen. Its as likely this happened as it is for older voters with holiday homes or second homes to have voted twice. But theres no proof of that happening either." Glad to see you are happy to sweep these alegations under the carpet, when my son was in uni he was registered by his flat mate at uni and he himself registered at home, so yes it is possible and Imvho very probable that it has happened, another question altogether as to whether it had any influence | |||
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" Glad to see you are happy to sweep these alegations under the carpet, when my son was in uni he was registered by his flat mate at uni and he himself registered at home, so yes it is possible and Imvho very probable that it has happened, another question altogether as to whether it had any influence " In the UK youre allowed register and vote in 2 areas for local elections so theres nothing wrong with being registered in 2 areas. I didnt sweep any allegations under the carpet. I pointed out that there was no proof of it happening let alone proof of these social media posts. I also made the point that the story was made by Farage who has a tenuous relationship with the truth on an American network known to lie about election fraud regularly. So is there *anything* in the way of fact to back up your opinion this happened or is this a baseless attempt to try and undermine the vote received by Labour? | |||
" Glad to see you are happy to sweep these alegations under the carpet, when my son was in uni he was registered by his flat mate at uni and he himself registered at home, so yes it is possible and Imvho very probable that it has happened, another question altogether as to whether it had any influence In the UK youre allowed register and vote in 2 areas for local elections so theres nothing wrong with being registered in 2 areas. I didnt sweep any allegations under the carpet. I pointed out that there was no proof of it happening let alone proof of these social media posts. I also made the point that the story was made by Farage who has a tenuous relationship with the truth on an American network known to lie about election fraud regularly. So is there *anything* in the way of fact to back up your opinion this happened or is this a baseless attempt to try and undermine the vote received by Labour?" I'm sure now allegations have been made both the electoral commission and the Police will be looking into this matter. | |||
" Glad to see you are happy to sweep these alegations under the carpet, when my son was in uni he was registered by his flat mate at uni and he himself registered at home, so yes it is possible and Imvho very probable that it has happened, another question altogether as to whether it had any influence In the UK youre allowed register and vote in 2 areas for local elections so theres nothing wrong with being registered in 2 areas. I didnt sweep any allegations under the carpet. I pointed out that there was no proof of it happening let alone proof of these social media posts. I also made the point that the story was made by Farage who has a tenuous relationship with the truth on an American network known to lie about election fraud regularly. So is there *anything* in the way of fact to back up your opinion this happened or is this a baseless attempt to try and undermine the vote received by Labour? I'm sure now allegations have been made both the electoral commission and the Police will be looking into this matter. " Id love to see how that investigation goes: Do we know of any suspects? No. Do we know what constituencies might have been affected? No. Do we have any information to follow up on? No. Whats the basis of the investigation into voting fraud in the UK? A report from an American tv network with a long history of lieing about voter fraud. | |||
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"As I said...in 1987 I was double registered in the NATIONAL election. I didn't....but I could have voted twice and knew of others in the same situation. I've no idea if it has occurred or not this time....but the possibility is very real and should be investigated either way."
Youre registered to vote where youre registered to vote. This isnt a tough concept. You can vote in any local election where you reside even if you vote in two constituencies on the same day but for national you can vote in either.
This isnt true just for students but for anyone with multiple addresses.
Theres absolutely nothing to say this happened, there is no evidence at all, no formal complaints have been lodged and the alledged social media posts bragging about it seem to be a lie since no one anywhere has a screenshot or a link to verify it happened.
Its possible you shoplifted today, its possible you broke the speed limit, its possible you jaywalked. Should the police investigate every single possible crime when theres no evidence one has been committed? This story started with a dishonest person on a dishonest news platform who have a long,long history of lieing about there being election fraud.
Either produce something credible to raise even the suspicion that this actually happened or accept that this is nothing more than sour grapes from the right that Labour did so well and they're creating this story just because its possible it could potentially occur. | |||
"We cannot leave the EU and remain in either of these. We voted to control immigration (which doesn't necessarily mean it goes down) and to be able to make trade deals worldwide without needing to apply EU tariffs to other countries." No we didn't. You seem to be confusing what you voted for with what others voted for. We voted to leave the EU nothing more and nothing less. | |||
" Glad to see you are happy to sweep these alegations under the carpet, when my son was in uni he was registered by his flat mate at uni and he himself registered at home, so yes it is possible and Imvho very probable that it has happened, another question altogether as to whether it had any influence In the UK youre allowed register and vote in 2 areas for local elections so theres nothing wrong with being registered in 2 areas. I didnt sweep any allegations under the carpet. I pointed out that there was no proof of it happening let alone proof of these social media posts. I also made the point that the story was made by Farage who has a tenuous relationship with the truth on an American network known to lie about election fraud regularly. So is there *anything* in the way of fact to back up your opinion this happened or is this a baseless attempt to try and undermine the vote received by Labour? I'm sure now allegations have been made both the electoral commission and the Police will be looking into this matter. Id love to see how that investigation goes: Do we know of any suspects? No. Do we know what constituencies might have been affected? No. Do we have any information to follow up on? No. Whats the basis of the investigation into voting fraud in the UK? A report from an American tv network with a long history of lieing about voter fraud. "There are voting registers which have recorded the names of everyone who voted. When you vote in a UK general election your name (along with your address) is crossed off a list on a register at each and every polling station. So the evidence is there within those registers and electoral commission and the police can have access to those registers if they want to investigate this matter. Different registers from different areas can be cross referenced against each other if someone has voted twice in 2 different places that information can be found and the individuals concerned can be traced and prosecuted. | |||
" Glad to see you are happy to sweep these alegations under the carpet, when my son was in uni he was registered by his flat mate at uni and he himself registered at home, so yes it is possible and Imvho very probable that it has happened, another question altogether as to whether it had any influence In the UK youre allowed register and vote in 2 areas for local elections so theres nothing wrong with being registered in 2 areas. I didnt sweep any allegations under the carpet. I pointed out that there was no proof of it happening let alone proof of these social media posts. I also made the point that the story was made by Farage who has a tenuous relationship with the truth on an American network known to lie about election fraud regularly. So is there *anything* in the way of fact to back up your opinion this happened or is this a baseless attempt to try and undermine the vote received by Labour? I'm sure now allegations have been made both the electoral commission and the Police will be looking into this matter. Id love to see how that investigation goes: Do we know of any suspects? No. Do we know what constituencies might have been affected? No. Do we have any information to follow up on? No. Whats the basis of the investigation into voting fraud in the UK? A report from an American tv network with a long history of lieing about voter fraud.
There are voting registers which have recorded the names of everyone who voted. When you vote in a UK general election your name (along with your address) is crossed off a list on a register at each and every polling station. So the evidence is there within those registers and electoral commission and the police can have access to those registers if they want to investigate this matter. Different registers from different areas can be cross referenced against each other if someone has voted twice in 2 different places that information can be found and the individuals concerned can be traced and prosecuted. "Great. So how many people have they charged so far then? It's a very straight forward data processing task as it describe. It would be complete in a few days. Few hours if they already have the register digitised. If there is a genuine suspicion this happened and an official complaint then those people can be charged pretty quickly then. -Matt -Matt | |||
"As I said...in 1987 I was double registered in the NATIONAL election. I didn't....but I could have voted twice and knew of others in the same situation. I've no idea if it has occurred or not this time....but the possibility is very real and should be investigated either way.
Youre registered to vote where youre registered to vote. This isnt a tough concept. You can vote in any local election where you reside even if you vote in two constituencies on the same day but for national you can vote in either.
This isnt true just for students but for anyone with multiple addresses.
Theres absolutely nothing to say this happened, there is no evidence at all, no formal complaints have been lodged and the alledged social media posts bragging about it seem to be a lie since no one anywhere has a screenshot or a link to verify it happened.
Its possible you shoplifted today, its possible you broke the speed limit, its possible you jaywalked. Should the police investigate every single possible crime when theres no evidence one has been committed? This story started with a dishonest person on a dishonest news platform who have a long,long history of lieing about there being election fraud.
Either produce something credible to raise even the suspicion that this actually happened or accept that this is nothing more than sour grapes from the right that Labour did so well and they're creating this story just because its possible it could potentially occur."Can you read or not? 1) I said I don't know if it occurred or not this time. (As, like you, I have seen no evidence). But if there is any then it should be investigated. 2) I could have voted in either, as you said. But I also could have voted in BOTH constituencies in a NATIONAL election. The potential for fraud was there for me...and for many others that I knew. A massive loophole certainly existed in 1987. It probably still exists now! | |||
"As I said...in 1987 I was double registered in the NATIONAL election. I didn't....but I could have voted twice and knew of others in the same situation. I've no idea if it has occurred or not this time....but the possibility is very real and should be investigated either way.
Youre registered to vote where youre registered to vote. This isnt a tough concept. You can vote in any local election where you reside even if you vote in two constituencies on the same day but for national you can vote in either.
This isnt true just for students but for anyone with multiple addresses.
Theres absolutely nothing to say this happened, there is no evidence at all, no formal complaints have been lodged and the alledged social media posts bragging about it seem to be a lie since no one anywhere has a screenshot or a link to verify it happened.
Its possible you shoplifted today, its possible you broke the speed limit, its possible you jaywalked. Should the police investigate every single possible crime when theres no evidence one has been committed? This story started with a dishonest person on a dishonest news platform who have a long,long history of lieing about there being election fraud.
Either produce something credible to raise even the suspicion that this actually happened or accept that this is nothing more than sour grapes from the right that Labour did so well and they're creating this story just because its possible it could potentially occur.
Can you read or not?
1) I said I don't know if it occurred or not this time. (As, like you, I have seen no evidence). But if there is any then it should be investigated.
2) I could have voted in either, as you said. But I also could have voted in BOTH constituencies in a NATIONAL election.
The potential for fraud was there for me...and for many others that I knew. A massive loophole certainly existed in 1987. It probably still exists now!"It does still exist, and rightly so, people should be allowed to vote in Local Election were they regularly live. I'm also pretty sure that double voting by people who are registered in two constituencies. However I'm not convinced it happens enough to be a major or decisive factor. | |||
