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over a year ago
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"We must not use the acronym for Conservative Unionist Negotiation Team for Brexit.
C.U.N.T for Brexit is not appropriate for such an important group of people. "
No...no..... I think it's quite..... apt really.
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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago
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"We must not use the acronym for Conservative Unionist Negotiation Team for Brexit.
C.U.N.T for Brexit is not appropriate for such an important group of people.
No...no..... I think it's quite..... apt really.
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Well Brexit is actually looking a worse proposition than ever. The EU were hoping for a clear result for May so that she could start negotiations already and do so from a position where the public would take the shitty parts of the deal without upending the government.
Now we're over a year into the post Brexit era and A50s been triggered, the government is unstable, the prime ministers position is unstable, negotiations havent even started yet, theres only 22 months left to negotiate the EU deal and the UK has little leverage and no one experienced in doing trade deals, simpler deals than this take 5+ years to do and the UK has to do similarly complex and detailed deals with dozens of other countries as well!
Good job its only the economy and jobs that depend on this being a success. |
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"Well Brexit is actually looking a worse proposition than ever. The EU were hoping for a clear result for May so that she could start negotiations already and do so from a position where the public would take the shitty parts of the deal without upending the government.
Now we're over a year into the post Brexit era and A50s been triggered, the government is unstable, the prime ministers position is unstable, negotiations havent even started yet, theres only 22 months left to negotiate the EU deal and the UK has little leverage and no one experienced in doing trade deals, simpler deals than this take 5+ years to do and the UK has to do similarly complex and detailed deals with dozens of other countries as well!
Good job its only the economy and jobs that depend on this being a success."
Brexit negotiations start in 8 days time. It's on the news now Theresa May and Angela Merkel have agreed the Brexit negotiations will start on schedule. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"We must not use the acronym for Conservative Unionist Negotiation Team for Brexit.
C.U.N.T for Brexit is not appropriate for such an important group of people.
No...no..... I think it's quite..... apt really.
Yes i agree,certainly apt for the first two posters on this thread "
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"Well Brexit is actually looking a worse proposition than ever. The EU were hoping for a clear result for May so that she could start negotiations already and do so from a position where the public would take the shitty parts of the deal without upending the government.
Now we're over a year into the post Brexit era and A50s been triggered, the government is unstable, the prime ministers position is unstable, negotiations havent even started yet, theres only 22 months left to negotiate the EU deal and the UK has little leverage and no one experienced in doing trade deals, simpler deals than this take 5+ years to do and the UK has to do similarly complex and detailed deals with dozens of other countries as well!
Good job its only the economy and jobs that depend on this being a success.
Brexit negotiations start in 8 days time. It's on the news now Theresa May and Angela Merkel have agreed the Brexit negotiations will start on schedule. "
And Ruth Davidson is taking her 13 seats out of the Tory party to a seperate, but close Scottish Tory party, and has already stated that staying in the single market is far more important than curbing immigration.
Hard brexit is gone. Mays got nothing to negotiate with anymore. Shes bound by the numbers unless Labour vote en masse for a hard brexit. The UK negotiating team is, to use a technical term, absolutely fucked. All the plans they had to negotiate a hard brexit are now redundant and they'll have to start from scratch and negotiations start in 8 days. This is an unmitigated disaster.
8 days to reformulate what their goals are and what their strategies and tactics are to negotiate the worlds most difficult, complex and detailed trade agreement to ever be done in such a short space of time. And theyre up against one of the worlds best and most experienced trade negotiating groups.
This is farcical. |
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"Well Brexit is actually looking a worse proposition than ever. The EU were hoping for a clear result for May so that she could start negotiations already and do so from a position where the public would take the shitty parts of the deal without upending the government.
Now we're over a year into the post Brexit era and A50s been triggered, the government is unstable, the prime ministers position is unstable, negotiations havent even started yet, theres only 22 months left to negotiate the EU deal and the UK has little leverage and no one experienced in doing trade deals, simpler deals than this take 5+ years to do and the UK has to do similarly complex and detailed deals with dozens of other countries as well!
Good job its only the economy and jobs that depend on this being a success.
Brexit negotiations start in 8 days time. It's on the news now Theresa May and Angela Merkel have agreed the Brexit negotiations will start on schedule.
And Ruth Davidson is taking her 13 seats out of the Tory party to a seperate, but close Scottish Tory party, and has already stated that staying in the single market is far more important than curbing immigration.
Hard brexit is gone. Mays got nothing to negotiate with anymore. Shes bound by the numbers unless Labour vote en masse for a hard brexit. The UK negotiating team is, to use a technical term, absolutely fucked. All the plans they had to negotiate a hard brexit are now redundant and they'll have to start from scratch and negotiations start in 8 days. This is an unmitigated disaster.
8 days to reformulate what their goals are and what their strategies and tactics are to negotiate the worlds most difficult, complex and detailed trade agreement to ever be done in such a short space of time. And theyre up against one of the worlds best and most experienced trade negotiating groups.
This is farcical."
I've seen nothing on the news about Ruth Davidson forming a separate breakaway conservative party. Also If you think the EU's negotiating group is one of the world's best then that is farcical. How many years was it they tried to do a trade deal with the USA? And still after 'x' number of years the deal with USA still hit the skids. To sum up the EU's negotiations team there is only one suitable word and that word is Pathetic.
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Well Brexit is actually looking a worse proposition than ever. The EU were hoping for a clear result for May so that she could start negotiations already and do so from a position where the public would take the shitty parts of the deal without upending the government.
Now we're over a year into the post Brexit era and A50s been triggered, the government is unstable, the prime ministers position is unstable, negotiations havent even started yet, theres only 22 months left to negotiate the EU deal and the UK has little leverage and no one experienced in doing trade deals, simpler deals than this take 5+ years to do and the UK has to do similarly complex and detailed deals with dozens of other countries as well!
Good job its only the economy and jobs that depend on this being a success.
Brexit negotiations start in 8 days time. It's on the news now Theresa May and Angela Merkel have agreed the Brexit negotiations will start on schedule.
And Ruth Davidson is taking her 13 seats out of the Tory party to a seperate, but close Scottish Tory party, and has already stated that staying in the single market is far more important than curbing immigration.
Hard brexit is gone. Mays got nothing to negotiate with anymore. Shes bound by the numbers unless Labour vote en masse for a hard brexit. The UK negotiating team is, to use a technical term, absolutely fucked. All the plans they had to negotiate a hard brexit are now redundant and they'll have to start from scratch and negotiations start in 8 days. This is an unmitigated disaster.
8 days to reformulate what their goals are and what their strategies and tactics are to negotiate the worlds most difficult, complex and detailed trade agreement to ever be done in such a short space of time. And theyre up against one of the worlds best and most experienced trade negotiating groups.
This is farcical.
I've seen nothing on the news about Ruth Davidson forming a separate breakaway conservative party. Also If you think the EU's negotiating group is one of the world's best then that is farcical. How many years was it they tried to do a trade deal with the USA? And still after 'x' number of years the deal with USA still hit the skids. To sum up the EU's negotiations team there is only one suitable word and that word is Pathetic.
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And this, of course from your years of experience as a trade negotiator, yes? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We must not use the acronym for Conservative Unionist Negotiation Team for Brexit.
C.U.N.T for Brexit is not appropriate for such an important group of people.
No...no..... I think it's quite..... apt really.
Yes i agree,certainly apt for the first two posters on this thread "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We must not use the acronym for Conservative Unionist Negotiation Team for Brexit.
C.U.N.T for Brexit is not appropriate for such an important group of people.
No...no..... I think it's quite..... apt really.
Yes i agree,certainly apt for the first two posters on this thread
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By (user no longer on site)
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And Ruth Davidson is taking her 13 seats out of the Tory party to a seperate, but close Scottish Tory party, and has already stated that staying in the single market is far more important than curbing immigration.
Hard brexit is gone. Mays got nothing to negotiate with anymore. Shes bound by the numbers unless Labour vote en masse for a hard brexit. The UK negotiating team is, to use a technical term, absolutely fucked. All the plans they had to negotiate a hard brexit are now redundant and they'll have to start from scratch and negotiations start in 8 days. This is an unmitigated disaster.
8 days to reformulate what their goals are and what their strategies and tactics are to negotiate the worlds most difficult, complex and detailed trade agreement to ever be done in such a short space of time. And theyre up against one of the worlds best and most experienced trade negotiating groups.
This is farcical.
Centaurs reply
I've seen nothing on the news about Ruth Davidson forming a separate breakaway conservative party. Also If you think the EU's negotiating group is one of the world's best then that is farcical. How many years was it they tried to do a trade deal with the USA? And still after 'x' number of years the deal with USA still hit the skids. To sum up the EU's negotiations team there is only one suitable word and that word is Pathetic.
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Here Centaur....
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Ruth Davidson is to defy Theresa May’s plans for a hard Brexit and tear her Scottish party away from English control after the UK Tories’ disastrous General Election result.
Amid a growing clamour among senior Tories in London for Ms Davidson to be given a top position in the UK party, her aides are working on a deal that would see the Scottish party break away to form a separate organisation. "
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/09/ruth-davidson-planning-scottish-tory-breakaway-challenges-theresa/amp/ |
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"Well Brexit is actually looking a worse proposition than ever. The EU were hoping for a clear result for May so that she could start negotiations already and do so from a position where the public would take the shitty parts of the deal without upending the government.
Now we're over a year into the post Brexit era and A50s been triggered, the government is unstable, the prime ministers position is unstable, negotiations havent even started yet, theres only 22 months left to negotiate the EU deal and the UK has little leverage and no one experienced in doing trade deals, simpler deals than this take 5+ years to do and the UK has to do similarly complex and detailed deals with dozens of other countries as well!
Good job its only the economy and jobs that depend on this being a success.
Brexit negotiations start in 8 days time. It's on the news now Theresa May and Angela Merkel have agreed the Brexit negotiations will start on schedule.
And Ruth Davidson is taking her 13 seats out of the Tory party to a seperate, but close Scottish Tory party, and has already stated that staying in the single market is far more important than curbing immigration.
Hard brexit is gone. Mays got nothing to negotiate with anymore. Shes bound by the numbers unless Labour vote en masse for a hard brexit. The UK negotiating team is, to use a technical term, absolutely fucked. All the plans they had to negotiate a hard brexit are now redundant and they'll have to start from scratch and negotiations start in 8 days. This is an unmitigated disaster.
8 days to reformulate what their goals are and what their strategies and tactics are to negotiate the worlds most difficult, complex and detailed trade agreement to ever be done in such a short space of time. And theyre up against one of the worlds best and most experienced trade negotiating groups.
This is farcical.
I've seen nothing on the news about Ruth Davidson forming a separate breakaway conservative party. Also If you think the EU's negotiating group is one of the world's best then that is farcical. How many years was it they tried to do a trade deal with the USA? And still after 'x' number of years the deal with USA still hit the skids. To sum up the EU's negotiations team there is only one suitable word and that word is Pathetic.
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So I briefly worked with the governments food standard agency via the civil service prior to the brexit vote and I can explain why the EU still hasn't got a US free trade agreement from my experience with food standards.
It's simple it terms of food, plant and animal products, there health and production standards do not meet up with the EU's. Even American organic food standards are below EU standard food production. In short this is a legal no go, the single market has standard of production which must be met.
The second point is TTIP. When it was a big issue the German's, French and Dutch said they'd accept it only if the American's changed some legal clauses. The reason behind this is that it weakened varying worker's Unions in member states, and gave American companies and edge over and opportunity to buy up European ones. Then there were all the environmental issues which led to protests across europe.
In short, you need to stop trying to point score. Read the legislation and documents and you will answer your own question. |
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And Ruth Davidson is taking her 13 seats out of the Tory party to a seperate, but close Scottish Tory party, and has already stated that staying in the single market is far more important than curbing immigration.
Hard brexit is gone. Mays got nothing to negotiate with anymore. Shes bound by the numbers unless Labour vote en masse for a hard brexit. The UK negotiating team is, to use a technical term, absolutely fucked. All the plans they had to negotiate a hard brexit are now redundant and they'll have to start from scratch and negotiations start in 8 days. This is an unmitigated disaster.
8 days to reformulate what their goals are and what their strategies and tactics are to negotiate the worlds most difficult, complex and detailed trade agreement to ever be done in such a short space of time. And theyre up against one of the worlds best and most experienced trade negotiating groups.
This is farcical.
Centaurs reply
I've seen nothing on the news about Ruth Davidson forming a separate breakaway conservative party. Also If you think the EU's negotiating group is one of the world's best then that is farcical. How many years was it they tried to do a trade deal with the USA? And still after 'x' number of years the deal with USA still hit the skids. To sum up the EU's negotiations team there is only one suitable word and that word is Pathetic.
Here Centaur....
Ruth Davidson is to defy Theresa May’s plans for a hard Brexit and tear her Scottish party away from English control after the UK Tories’ disastrous General Election result.
Amid a growing clamour among senior Tories in London for Ms Davidson to be given a top position in the UK party, her aides are working on a deal that would see the Scottish party break away to form a separate organisation.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/09/ruth-davidson-planning-scottish-tory-breakaway-challenges-theresa/amp/"
That story seems to be past its sell by date then and is dated 9 June. Today 10th June Ruth Davidson said on a sky news interview she has no plans to form a separate breakaway Scottish conservative party after Theresa May gave her assurances over LBGT rights in England, Wales and Scotland in light of the new deal with the DUP being formed. |
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And Ruth Davidson is taking her 13 seats out of the Tory party to a seperate, but close Scottish Tory party, and has already stated that staying in the single market is far more important than curbing immigration.
Hard brexit is gone. Mays got nothing to negotiate with anymore. Shes bound by the numbers unless Labour vote en masse for a hard brexit. The UK negotiating team is, to use a technical term, absolutely fucked. All the plans they had to negotiate a hard brexit are now redundant and they'll have to start from scratch and negotiations start in 8 days. This is an unmitigated disaster.
8 days to reformulate what their goals are and what their strategies and tactics are to negotiate the worlds most difficult, complex and detailed trade agreement to ever be done in such a short space of time. And theyre up against one of the worlds best and most experienced trade negotiating groups.
This is farcical.
Centaurs reply
I've seen nothing on the news about Ruth Davidson forming a separate breakaway conservative party. Also If you think the EU's negotiating group is one of the world's best then that is farcical. How many years was it they tried to do a trade deal with the USA? And still after 'x' number of years the deal with USA still hit the skids. To sum up the EU's negotiations team there is only one suitable word and that word is Pathetic.
Here Centaur....
Ruth Davidson is to defy Theresa May’s plans for a hard Brexit and tear her Scottish party away from English control after the UK Tories’ disastrous General Election result.
Amid a growing clamour among senior Tories in London for Ms Davidson to be given a top position in the UK party, her aides are working on a deal that would see the Scottish party break away to form a separate organisation.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/09/ruth-davidson-planning-scottish-tory-breakaway-challenges-theresa/amp/
That story seems to be past its sell by date then and is dated 9 June. Today 10th June Ruth Davidson said on a sky news interview she has no plans to form a separate breakaway Scottish conservative party after Theresa May gave her assurances over LBGT rights in England, Wales and Scotland in light of the new deal with the DUP being formed. "
And let's see how long that lasts.
Meanwhile the Scottish Conservatives still don't want a hard Brexit so how do you feel about staying in the single market now?
Gonna suck up the democratic decision? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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And let's see how long that lasts.
Meanwhile the Scottish Conservatives still don't want a hard Brexit so how do you feel about staying in the single market now?
Gonna suck up the democratic decision? "
awww... don't pick on centaur now!!!
at least i offered him the choice of the Single Market or the Customs Union.....
it seems like our friend is having a rough "talking shite" night..... |
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And Ruth Davidson is taking her 13 seats out of the Tory party to a seperate, but close Scottish Tory party, and has already stated that staying in the single market is far more important than curbing immigration.
Hard brexit is gone. Mays got nothing to negotiate with anymore. Shes bound by the numbers unless Labour vote en masse for a hard brexit. The UK negotiating team is, to use a technical term, absolutely fucked. All the plans they had to negotiate a hard brexit are now redundant and they'll have to start from scratch and negotiations start in 8 days. This is an unmitigated disaster.
8 days to reformulate what their goals are and what their strategies and tactics are to negotiate the worlds most difficult, complex and detailed trade agreement to ever be done in such a short space of time. And theyre up against one of the worlds best and most experienced trade negotiating groups.
This is farcical.
Centaurs reply
I've seen nothing on the news about Ruth Davidson forming a separate breakaway conservative party. Also If you think the EU's negotiating group is one of the world's best then that is farcical. How many years was it they tried to do a trade deal with the USA? And still after 'x' number of years the deal with USA still hit the skids. To sum up the EU's negotiations team there is only one suitable word and that word is Pathetic.
Here Centaur....
Ruth Davidson is to defy Theresa May’s plans for a hard Brexit and tear her Scottish party away from English control after the UK Tories’ disastrous General Election result.
Amid a growing clamour among senior Tories in London for Ms Davidson to be given a top position in the UK party, her aides are working on a deal that would see the Scottish party break away to form a separate organisation.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/09/ruth-davidson-planning-scottish-tory-breakaway-challenges-theresa/amp/
That story seems to be past its sell by date then and is dated 9 June. Today 10th June Ruth Davidson said on a sky news interview she has no plans to form a separate breakaway Scottish conservative party after Theresa May gave her assurances over LBGT rights in England, Wales and Scotland in light of the new deal with the DUP being formed.
And let's see how long that lasts.
Meanwhile the Scottish Conservatives still don't want a hard Brexit so how do you feel about staying in the single market now?
Gonna suck up the democratic decision? "
We won't be staying in the single market. It's you who needs to suck it up. Staying in the single market will see the tories face a big backlash from the public and will see a big surge in support for ukip again, which the tories will want to avoid. |
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And let's see how long that lasts.
Meanwhile the Scottish Conservatives still don't want a hard Brexit so how do you feel about staying in the single market now?
Gonna suck up the democratic decision?
awww... don't pick on centaur now!!!
at least i offered him the choice of the Single Market or the Customs Union.....
it seems like our friend is having a rough "talking shite" night..... "
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By (user no longer on site)
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And Ruth Davidson is taking her 13 seats out of the Tory party to a seperate, but close Scottish Tory party, and has already stated that staying in the single market is far more important than curbing immigration.
Hard brexit is gone. Mays got nothing to negotiate with anymore. Shes bound by the numbers unless Labour vote en masse for a hard brexit. The UK negotiating team is, to use a technical term, absolutely fucked. All the plans they had to negotiate a hard brexit are now redundant and they'll have to start from scratch and negotiations start in 8 days. This is an unmitigated disaster.
8 days to reformulate what their goals are and what their strategies and tactics are to negotiate the worlds most difficult, complex and detailed trade agreement to ever be done in such a short space of time. And theyre up against one of the worlds best and most experienced trade negotiating groups.
This is farcical.
Centaurs reply
I've seen nothing on the news about Ruth Davidson forming a separate breakaway conservative party. Also If you think the EU's negotiating group is one of the world's best then that is farcical. How many years was it they tried to do a trade deal with the USA? And still after 'x' number of years the deal with USA still hit the skids. To sum up the EU's negotiations team there is only one suitable word and that word is Pathetic.
Here Centaur....
Ruth Davidson is to defy Theresa May’s plans for a hard Brexit and tear her Scottish party away from English control after the UK Tories’ disastrous General Election result.
Amid a growing clamour among senior Tories in London for Ms Davidson to be given a top position in the UK party, her aides are working on a deal that would see the Scottish party break away to form a separate organisation.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/09/ruth-davidson-planning-scottish-tory-breakaway-challenges-theresa/amp/
That story seems to be past its sell by date then and is dated 9 June. Today 10th June Ruth Davidson said on a sky news interview she has no plans to form a separate breakaway Scottish conservative party after Theresa May gave her assurances over LBGT rights in England, Wales and Scotland in light of the new deal with the DUP being formed. "
At the top of the article it says it was published on the 10th of June 11:19AM. Come on at least read it.
I saw her press release on Sky News and the BBC, both outlines showed her saying something along the lines "there is clearly an appetite for a different kind of brexit, we as a party must learn from our mistakes."
So, whilst her twitter feed implies she wont split from the main party (is it even possible?) when push comes to shove over votes and political power would she tow the line? Or would she act of the Scottish people's behalf and in doing so threaten to split? |
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And Ruth Davidson is taking her 13 seats out of the Tory party to a seperate, but close Scottish Tory party, and has already stated that staying in the single market is far more important than curbing immigration.
Hard brexit is gone. Mays got nothing to negotiate with anymore. Shes bound by the numbers unless Labour vote en masse for a hard brexit. The UK negotiating team is, to use a technical term, absolutely fucked. All the plans they had to negotiate a hard brexit are now redundant and they'll have to start from scratch and negotiations start in 8 days. This is an unmitigated disaster.
8 days to reformulate what their goals are and what their strategies and tactics are to negotiate the worlds most difficult, complex and detailed trade agreement to ever be done in such a short space of time. And theyre up against one of the worlds best and most experienced trade negotiating groups.
This is farcical.
Centaurs reply
I've seen nothing on the news about Ruth Davidson forming a separate breakaway conservative party. Also If you think the EU's negotiating group is one of the world's best then that is farcical. How many years was it they tried to do a trade deal with the USA? And still after 'x' number of years the deal with USA still hit the skids. To sum up the EU's negotiations team there is only one suitable word and that word is Pathetic.
Here Centaur....
Ruth Davidson is to defy Theresa May’s plans for a hard Brexit and tear her Scottish party away from English control after the UK Tories’ disastrous General Election result.
Amid a growing clamour among senior Tories in London for Ms Davidson to be given a top position in the UK party, her aides are working on a deal that would see the Scottish party break away to form a separate organisation.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/09/ruth-davidson-planning-scottish-tory-breakaway-challenges-theresa/amp/
That story seems to be past its sell by date then and is dated 9 June. Today 10th June Ruth Davidson said on a sky news interview she has no plans to form a separate breakaway Scottish conservative party after Theresa May gave her assurances over LBGT rights in England, Wales and Scotland in light of the new deal with the DUP being formed.
At the top of the article it says it was published on the 10th of June 11:19AM. Come on at least read it.
I saw her press release on Sky News and the BBC, both outlines showed her saying something along the lines "there is clearly an appetite for a different kind of brexit, we as a party must learn from our mistakes."
So, whilst her twitter feed implies she wont split from the main party (is it even possible?) when push comes to shove over votes and political power would she tow the line? Or would she act of the Scottish people's behalf and in doing so threaten to split?"
Ruth Davidson said the Scottish Conservatives have control over devolved matters to the Scottish Parliament but the Scottish MP's in Westminster would follow the UK party line and would vote with the Westminster whip. So it follows then they would follow Theresa May's Brexit plan and vote with the Tory whip in Westminster. |
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And Ruth Davidson is taking her 13 seats out of the Tory party to a seperate, but close Scottish Tory party, and has already stated that staying in the single market is far more important than curbing immigration.
Hard brexit is gone. Mays got nothing to negotiate with anymore. Shes bound by the numbers unless Labour vote en masse for a hard brexit. The UK negotiating team is, to use a technical term, absolutely fucked. All the plans they had to negotiate a hard brexit are now redundant and they'll have to start from scratch and negotiations start in 8 days. This is an unmitigated disaster.
8 days to reformulate what their goals are and what their strategies and tactics are to negotiate the worlds most difficult, complex and detailed trade agreement to ever be done in such a short space of time. And theyre up against one of the worlds best and most experienced trade negotiating groups.
This is farcical.
Centaurs reply
I've seen nothing on the news about Ruth Davidson forming a separate breakaway conservative party. Also If you think the EU's negotiating group is one of the world's best then that is farcical. How many years was it they tried to do a trade deal with the USA? And still after 'x' number of years the deal with USA still hit the skids. To sum up the EU's negotiations team there is only one suitable word and that word is Pathetic.
Here Centaur....
Ruth Davidson is to defy Theresa May’s plans for a hard Brexit and tear her Scottish party away from English control after the UK Tories’ disastrous General Election result.
Amid a growing clamour among senior Tories in London for Ms Davidson to be given a top position in the UK party, her aides are working on a deal that would see the Scottish party break away to form a separate organisation.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/09/ruth-davidson-planning-scottish-tory-breakaway-challenges-theresa/amp/
That story seems to be past its sell by date then and is dated 9 June. Today 10th June Ruth Davidson said on a sky news interview she has no plans to form a separate breakaway Scottish conservative party after Theresa May gave her assurances over LBGT rights in England, Wales and Scotland in light of the new deal with the DUP being formed.
At the top of the article it says it was published on the 10th of June 11:19AM. Come on at least read it.
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The date on the link provided says 2017/06/09 |
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And Ruth Davidson is taking her 13 seats out of the Tory party to a seperate, but close Scottish Tory party, and has already stated that staying in the single market is far more important than curbing immigration.
Hard brexit is gone. Mays got nothing to negotiate with anymore. Shes bound by the numbers unless Labour vote en masse for a hard brexit. The UK negotiating team is, to use a technical term, absolutely fucked. All the plans they had to negotiate a hard brexit are now redundant and they'll have to start from scratch and negotiations start in 8 days. This is an unmitigated disaster.
8 days to reformulate what their goals are and what their strategies and tactics are to negotiate the worlds most difficult, complex and detailed trade agreement to ever be done in such a short space of time. And theyre up against one of the worlds best and most experienced trade negotiating groups.
This is farcical.
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I've seen nothing on the news about Ruth Davidson forming a separate breakaway conservative party. Also If you think the EU's negotiating group is one of the world's best then that is farcical. How many years was it they tried to do a trade deal with the USA? And still after 'x' number of years the deal with USA still hit the skids. To sum up the EU's negotiations team there is only one suitable word and that word is Pathetic.
Here Centaur....
Ruth Davidson is to defy Theresa May’s plans for a hard Brexit and tear her Scottish party away from English control after the UK Tories’ disastrous General Election result.
Amid a growing clamour among senior Tories in London for Ms Davidson to be given a top position in the UK party, her aides are working on a deal that would see the Scottish party break away to form a separate organisation.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/09/ruth-davidson-planning-scottish-tory-breakaway-challenges-theresa/amp/
That story seems to be past its sell by date then and is dated 9 June. Today 10th June Ruth Davidson said on a sky news interview she has no plans to form a separate breakaway Scottish conservative party after Theresa May gave her assurances over LBGT rights in England, Wales and Scotland in light of the new deal with the DUP being formed.
At the top of the article it says it was published on the 10th of June 11:19AM. Come on at least read it.
I saw her press release on Sky News and the BBC, both outlines showed her saying something along the lines "there is clearly an appetite for a different kind of brexit, we as a party must learn from our mistakes."
So, whilst her twitter feed implies she wont split from the main party (is it even possible?) when push comes to shove over votes and political power would she tow the line? Or would she act of the Scottish people's behalf and in doing so threaten to split?
Ruth Davidson said the Scottish Conservatives have control over devolved matters to the Scottish Parliament but the Scottish MP's in Westminster would follow the UK party line and would vote with the Westminster whip. So it follows then they would follow Theresa May's Brexit plan and vote with the Tory whip in Westminster. "
Fair play, but what a politician says and then does a month later are two different things. All I'm saying is, don't be surprised if main tory party forces Ruth's hand. |
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And Ruth Davidson is taking her 13 seats out of the Tory party to a seperate, but close Scottish Tory party, and has already stated that staying in the single market is far more important than curbing immigration.
Hard brexit is gone. Mays got nothing to negotiate with anymore. Shes bound by the numbers unless Labour vote en masse for a hard brexit. The UK negotiating team is, to use a technical term, absolutely fucked. All the plans they had to negotiate a hard brexit are now redundant and they'll have to start from scratch and negotiations start in 8 days. This is an unmitigated disaster.
8 days to reformulate what their goals are and what their strategies and tactics are to negotiate the worlds most difficult, complex and detailed trade agreement to ever be done in such a short space of time. And theyre up against one of the worlds best and most experienced trade negotiating groups.
This is farcical.
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I've seen nothing on the news about Ruth Davidson forming a separate breakaway conservative party. Also If you think the EU's negotiating group is one of the world's best then that is farcical. How many years was it they tried to do a trade deal with the USA? And still after 'x' number of years the deal with USA still hit the skids. To sum up the EU's negotiations team there is only one suitable word and that word is Pathetic.
Here Centaur....
Ruth Davidson is to defy Theresa May’s plans for a hard Brexit and tear her Scottish party away from English control after the UK Tories’ disastrous General Election result.
Amid a growing clamour among senior Tories in London for Ms Davidson to be given a top position in the UK party, her aides are working on a deal that would see the Scottish party break away to form a separate organisation.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/09/ruth-davidson-planning-scottish-tory-breakaway-challenges-theresa/amp/
That story seems to be past its sell by date then and is dated 9 June. Today 10th June Ruth Davidson said on a sky news interview she has no plans to form a separate breakaway Scottish conservative party after Theresa May gave her assurances over LBGT rights in England, Wales and Scotland in light of the new deal with the DUP being formed.
At the top of the article it says it was published on the 10th of June 11:19AM. Come on at least read it.
The date on the link provided says 2017/06/09"
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"UKIP were never any form of threat to any other political party, they just shouted a lot.Very much like yourself then "
Any swing from conservative back to ukip would be disastrous for conservative and great for Labour. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
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"UKIP were never any form of threat to any other political party, they just shouted a lot.Very much like yourself then
Any swing from conservative back to ukip would be disastrous for conservative and great for Labour."
Indeed, my district of Filton has always been quite conservative. I guess due to the aerospace and defence industry here. Although we did narrowly vote to remain in the EU. But last election Tories beat Labour by almost 10,000 votes and UKIP got 7,000. This time Tories beat Labour by only 4,000 and UKIP didn't stand. So, UKIPs policy to not stand saved them here. If they stood again I think the vote would swing labour.
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"UKIP were never any form of threat to any other political party, they just shouted a lot.Very much like yourself then
Any swing from conservative back to ukip would be disastrous for conservative and great for Labour.
Indeed, my district of Filton has always been quite conservative. I guess due to the aerospace and defence industry here. Although we did narrowly vote to remain in the EU. But last election Tories beat Labour by almost 10,000 votes and UKIP got 7,000. This time Tories beat Labour by only 4,000 and UKIP didn't stand. So, UKIPs policy to not stand saved them here. If they stood again I think the vote would swing labour.
-Matt"
Do you want to think that one through? In most places the UKIP vote went to labour |
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"UKIP were never any form of threat to any other political party, they just shouted a lot.Very much like yourself then "
Do you have anything constructive to say or are you my own personal little forum stalker now 
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"UKIP were never any form of threat to any other political party, they just shouted a lot.
Never a threat? No they only went and won the MEP elections in 2014. "
Did that really have any real bearing on UK politics day to day though ? genuine question? |
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"UKIP were never any form of threat to any other political party, they just shouted a lot.Very much like yourself then
Any swing from conservative back to ukip would be disastrous for conservative and great for Labour.
Indeed, my district of Filton has always been quite conservative. I guess due to the aerospace and defence industry here. Although we did narrowly vote to remain in the EU. But last election Tories beat Labour by almost 10,000 votes and UKIP got 7,000. This time Tories beat Labour by only 4,000 and UKIP didn't stand. So, UKIPs policy to not stand saved them here. If they stood again I think the vote would swing labour.
-Matt
Do you want to think that one through? In most places the UKIP vote went to labour"
Most places it had split the vote. Conservatives and Labour both got a vote boost it just varied across constituents. Don't forget the new voters. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
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"UKIP were never any form of threat to any other political party, they just shouted a lot.Very much like yourself then
Any swing from conservative back to ukip would be disastrous for conservative and great for Labour.
Indeed, my district of Filton has always been quite conservative. I guess due to the aerospace and defence industry here. Although we did narrowly vote to remain in the EU. But last election Tories beat Labour by almost 10,000 votes and UKIP got 7,000. This time Tories beat Labour by only 4,000 and UKIP didn't stand. So, UKIPs policy to not stand saved them here. If they stood again I think the vote would swing labour.
-Matt
Do you want to think that one through? In most places the UKIP vote went to labour"
Yes. And no, it was split.
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The DUP and tories will not work well togther it will all fall apart.
The DUP
The party is opposed to abortion and gay marriage, but it goes further than that.
Members of the party have described LGBT people as "disgusting" and an "abomination".
Arlene Foster, the DUP leader, is keen to avoid a hard border with Ireland and has spoken against a "hard Brexit."
The party’s manifesto reveals splits with the Tories over pensions and winter fuels payments.
The DUP pledges to maintain the pension triple lock, while the Tories jettisoned the 2.5 per cent rise safeguard.
In 2015, their health minister faced concerns when he said “The facts show that you certainly don’t bring a child up in a homosexual relationship. That child is far more likely to be abused or neglected …”
The list goes on 
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"UKIP were never any form of threat to any other political party, they just shouted a lot.Very much like yourself then
Any swing from conservative back to ukip would be disastrous for conservative and great for Labour.
Indeed, my district of Filton has always been quite conservative. I guess due to the aerospace and defence industry here. Although we did narrowly vote to remain in the EU. But last election Tories beat Labour by almost 10,000 votes and UKIP got 7,000. This time Tories beat Labour by only 4,000 and UKIP didn't stand. So, UKIPs policy to not stand saved them here. If they stood again I think the vote would swing labour.
-Matt
Do you want to think that one through? In most places the UKIP vote went to labour
Yes. And no, it was split.
-Matt"
Analysis of UKIP votes shows that where UKIP still stood then their lost votes went slightly more to Tories than to labour. However...where they didn't put a candidate up then more went to labour. That plan backfired. There is a thread called "labours cunning plan" where I explained why.
Labour actually ran totally different campaigns in different seats....very, very clever.
Depending on the seat you were in labour was either very much in favour of brexit....or focussing on domestic policies and against Mays "hard brexit" .
UKIP standing down actually helped labour....though I would agree if they put up a big fight it would likely damage the Tories even further... |
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"UKIP were never any form of threat to any other political party, they just shouted a lot.Very much like yourself then
Any swing from conservative back to ukip would be disastrous for conservative and great for Labour."
This is why the tories will stick with hard brexit. They need to in order to keep those ukip voters on side now. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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This is why the tories will stick with hard brexit. They need to in order to keep those ukip voters on side now. "
and "hard brexit" then means no DUP support...
plus there are still enough "soft brexiteers in your own party......
you really have to pay attention... its not your weekend is it?
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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago
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"UKIP were never any form of threat to any other political party, they just shouted a lot.Very much like yourself then
Do you have anything constructive to say or are you my own personal little forum stalker now
Why would i want to stalk a !?@&pot,just because i have different views.If it wasn't for UKIP,we would never of had a referendum
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"UKIP were never any form of threat to any other political party, they just shouted a lot.Very much like yourself then
Do you have anything constructive to say or are you my own personal little forum stalker now
Why would i want to stalk a !?@&pot,just because i have different views.If it wasn't for UKIP,we would never of had a referendum
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Yeah. Fucking twats. Though to be honest Cameron was more of a twat for trying at appease them.
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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When you look at what damage we are causing our country as viewed from the outside, it really does look like madness, eg.
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/06/10/britain-the-end-of-a-fantasy/
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"Well Brexit is actually looking a worse proposition than ever. The EU were hoping for a clear result for May so that she could start negotiations already and do so from a position where the public would take the shitty parts of the deal without upending the government.
Now we're over a year into the post Brexit era and A50s been triggered, the government is unstable, the prime ministers position is unstable, negotiations havent even started yet, theres only 22 months left to negotiate the EU deal and the UK has little leverage and no one experienced in doing trade deals, simpler deals than this take 5+ years to do and the UK has to do similarly complex and detailed deals with dozens of other countries as well!
Good job its only the economy and jobs that depend on this being a success.
Brexit negotiations start in 8 days time. It's on the news now Theresa May and Angela Merkel have agreed the Brexit negotiations will start on schedule.
And Ruth Davidson is taking her 13 seats out of the Tory party to a seperate, but close Scottish Tory party, and has already stated that staying in the single market is far more important than curbing immigration.
Hard brexit is gone. Mays got nothing to negotiate with anymore. Shes bound by the numbers unless Labour vote en masse for a hard brexit. The UK negotiating team is, to use a technical term, absolutely fucked. All the plans they had to negotiate a hard brexit are now redundant and they'll have to start from scratch and negotiations start in 8 days. This is an unmitigated disaster.
8 days to reformulate what their goals are and what their strategies and tactics are to negotiate the worlds most difficult, complex and detailed trade agreement to ever be done in such a short space of time. And theyre up against one of the worlds best and most experienced trade negotiating groups.
This is farcical."
There's a simple solution. Don't leave the single market and customs union (the common market). No new FTA required and time can simply be spent negotiating a new political settlement.
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"The DUP and tories will not work well togther it will all fall apart.
The DUP
The party is opposed to abortion and gay marriage, but it goes further than that.
Members of the party have described LGBT people as "disgusting" and an "abomination".
Arlene Foster, the DUP leader, is keen to avoid a hard border with Ireland and has spoken against a "hard Brexit."
The party’s manifesto reveals splits with the Tories over pensions and winter fuels payments.
The DUP pledges to maintain the pension triple lock, while the Tories jettisoned the 2.5 per cent rise safeguard.
In 2015, their health minister faced concerns when he said “The facts show that you certainly don’t bring a child up in a homosexual relationship. That child is far more likely to be abused or neglected …”
The list goes on
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And let's not forget the DUP are happy to hobnob with a terrorist group who murdered a man in front of his three year old son only this month.
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And Ruth Davidson is taking her 13 seats out of the Tory party to a seperate, but close Scottish Tory party, and has already stated that staying in the single market is far more important than curbing immigration.
Hard brexit is gone. Mays got nothing to negotiate with anymore. Shes bound by the numbers unless Labour vote en masse for a hard brexit. The UK negotiating team is, to use a technical term, absolutely fucked. All the plans they had to negotiate a hard brexit are now redundant and they'll have to start from scratch and negotiations start in 8 days. This is an unmitigated disaster.
8 days to reformulate what their goals are and what their strategies and tactics are to negotiate the worlds most difficult, complex and detailed trade agreement to ever be done in such a short space of time. And theyre up against one of the worlds best and most experienced trade negotiating groups.
This is farcical.
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I've seen nothing on the news about Ruth Davidson forming a separate breakaway conservative party. Also If you think the EU's negotiating group is one of the world's best then that is farcical. How many years was it they tried to do a trade deal with the USA? And still after 'x' number of years the deal with USA still hit the skids. To sum up the EU's negotiations team there is only one suitable word and that word is Pathetic.
Here Centaur....
Ruth Davidson is to defy Theresa May’s plans for a hard Brexit and tear her Scottish party away from English control after the UK Tories’ disastrous General Election result.
Amid a growing clamour among senior Tories in London for Ms Davidson to be given a top position in the UK party, her aides are working on a deal that would see the Scottish party break away to form a separate organisation.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/09/ruth-davidson-planning-scottish-tory-breakaway-challenges-theresa/amp/
That story seems to be past its sell by date then and is dated 9 June. Today 10th June Ruth Davidson said on a sky news interview she has no plans to form a separate breakaway Scottish conservative party after Theresa May gave her assurances over LBGT rights in England, Wales and Scotland in light of the new deal with the DUP being formed.
And let's see how long that lasts.
Meanwhile the Scottish Conservatives still don't want a hard Brexit so how do you feel about staying in the single market now?
Gonna suck up the democratic decision?
We won't be staying in the single market. It's you who needs to suck it up. Staying in the single market will see the tories face a big backlash from the public and will see a big surge in support for ukip again, which the tories will want to avoid. "
Staying in the single market and customs union is almost inevitable now. The vast majority of the Conservative party would far rather see a surge in the UKIP vote than any further rise in the Labour vote. It now seems that the UKIP vote was almost as much from Labour as it was from the Conservatives and the Conservatives have done better in seats where UKIP actually stood than in those where it didn't.
Give the people the choice of risking their economic future for the ability to cry "Harry, George and England" or get £30,000+ back in student debt relief and we've seen what they they'll vote.
It's time for the Tories to claim back their mantle of economic pragmatism and competence, kick hard BREXIT, and maybe even any BREXIT, into touch and start governing in a way that at least some can argue is for the economic good of the country. |
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And Ruth Davidson is taking her 13 seats out of the Tory party to a seperate, but close Scottish Tory party, and has already stated that staying in the single market is far more important than curbing immigration.
Hard brexit is gone. Mays got nothing to negotiate with anymore. Shes bound by the numbers unless Labour vote en masse for a hard brexit. The UK negotiating team is, to use a technical term, absolutely fucked. All the plans they had to negotiate a hard brexit are now redundant and they'll have to start from scratch and negotiations start in 8 days. This is an unmitigated disaster.
8 days to reformulate what their goals are and what their strategies and tactics are to negotiate the worlds most difficult, complex and detailed trade agreement to ever be done in such a short space of time. And theyre up against one of the worlds best and most experienced trade negotiating groups.
This is farcical.
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I've seen nothing on the news about Ruth Davidson forming a separate breakaway conservative party. Also If you think the EU's negotiating group is one of the world's best then that is farcical. How many years was it they tried to do a trade deal with the USA? And still after 'x' number of years the deal with USA still hit the skids. To sum up the EU's negotiations team there is only one suitable word and that word is Pathetic.
Here Centaur....
Ruth Davidson is to defy Theresa May’s plans for a hard Brexit and tear her Scottish party away from English control after the UK Tories’ disastrous General Election result.
Amid a growing clamour among senior Tories in London for Ms Davidson to be given a top position in the UK party, her aides are working on a deal that would see the Scottish party break away to form a separate organisation.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/09/ruth-davidson-planning-scottish-tory-breakaway-challenges-theresa/amp/
That story seems to be past its sell by date then and is dated 9 June. Today 10th June Ruth Davidson said on a sky news interview she has no plans to form a separate breakaway Scottish conservative party after Theresa May gave her assurances over LBGT rights in England, Wales and Scotland in light of the new deal with the DUP being formed.
At the top of the article it says it was published on the 10th of June 11:19AM. Come on at least read it.
I saw her press release on Sky News and the BBC, both outlines showed her saying something along the lines "there is clearly an appetite for a different kind of brexit, we as a party must learn from our mistakes."
So, whilst her twitter feed implies she wont split from the main party (is it even possible?) when push comes to shove over votes and political power would she tow the line? Or would she act of the Scottish people's behalf and in doing so threaten to split?
Ruth Davidson said the Scottish Conservatives have control over devolved matters to the Scottish Parliament but the Scottish MP's in Westminster would follow the UK party line and would vote with the Westminster whip. So it follows then they would follow Theresa May's Brexit plan and vote with the Tory whip in Westminster. "
They will vote for Theresa's BREXIT plan but only after she's changed it to not leaving the single market, not leaving the customs union, and preserving the rights of British people to live, work, learn and retire anywhere in the EU. |
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Yes I actually think they would now. The Tories need to keep it together for enough time for the casual voter to forget about what's going on at the moment before needing another election. |
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"UKIP were never any form of threat to any other political party, they just shouted a lot.Very much like yourself then
Any swing from conservative back to ukip would be disastrous for conservative and great for Labour."
Not true. In areas which voted leave and no UKIP candidate stood, large numbers of UKIP voters have gone straight back to Labour.
In areas which voted remain, whether UKIP stood or not, there have been massive swings away from the Tories mostly towards Labour.
The reality is that both maim parties have little to fear from UKIP but, especially the Conservatives, have everything to fear from adopting UKIP's economically suicidal EU plans |
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"UKIP were never any form of threat to any other political party, they just shouted a lot.Very much like yourself then
Any swing from conservative back to ukip would be disastrous for conservative and great for Labour.
Indeed, my district of Filton has always been quite conservative. I guess due to the aerospace and defence industry here. Although we did narrowly vote to remain in the EU. But last election Tories beat Labour by almost 10,000 votes and UKIP got 7,000. This time Tories beat Labour by only 4,000 and UKIP didn't stand. So, UKIPs policy to not stand saved them here. If they stood again I think the vote would swing labour.
-Matt"
Wrong analysis. Many UKIP voters were former Labour voters and have now switched back to Labour. The Conservatives have done much better in places that voted leave but where a UKIP candidate stood than in places where they didn't. |
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Any swing from conservative back to ukip would be disastrous for conservative and great for Labour.
Indeed, my district of Filton has always been quite conservative. I guess due to the aerospace and defence industry here. Although we did narrowly vote to remain in the EU. But last election Tories beat Labour by almost 10,000 votes and UKIP got 7,000. This time Tories beat Labour by only 4,000 and UKIP didn't stand. So, UKIPs policy to not stand saved them here. If they stood again I think the vote would swing labour.
-Matt
Wrong analysis. Many UKIP voters were former Labour voters and have now switched back to Labour. The Conservatives have done much better in places that voted leave but where a UKIP candidate stood than in places where they didn't."
Not sure which numbers you've been looking at but they appear to be the wrong ones. Half of the old ukip vote went to the conservatives. Only a quarter went to Labour and the other quarter stayed loyal to ukip. Only in seats where no ukip candidate stood then the quarter remaining ukip went to Labour. Let's not forget in all this Labour stood on a Brexit manifesto and got 40% of the vote. The conservatives were higher on 42% of the overall vote on a hard Brexit manifesto (higher than Tony Blair share of the vote in 1997). Over 80% of the voting public voted for Brexit manifestos. The Lib dems on a remain ticket could only manage 8% of the vote and the greens for remain only 2%. |
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"I believe if another election was to be called labour would win
Yes I actually think they would now. The Tories need to keep it together for enough time for the casual voter to forget about what's going on at the moment before needing another election."
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The DUP
The party is opposed to abortion and gay marriage, but it goes further than that.
Members of the party have described LGBT people as "disgusting" and an "abomination".
Arlene Foster, the DUP leader, is keen to avoid a hard border with Ireland and has spoken against a "hard Brexit."
The party’s manifesto reveals splits with the Tories over pensions and winter fuels payments.
The DUP pledges to maintain the pension triple lock, while the Tories jettisoned the 2.5 per cent rise safeguard.
In 2015, their health minister faced concerns when he said “The facts show that you certainly don’t bring a child up in a homosexual relationship. That child is far more likely to be abused or neglected …”
The list goes on
And let's not forget the DUP are happy to hobnob with a terrorist group who murdered a man in front of his three year old son only this month.
Any Tory who doesn't condemn this toxic alliance illustrates quite clearly how genuine their feelings are on whether terrorism is unacceptable or not."
That would be the same DUP who's support Labour would need if Labour want to form a minority government. Given the maths of the general election result Corbyn would need to do a deal with the SNP, Lib dems (who say they won't deal with anyone), greens, and the DUP combined. You can rule out Sinn Fein because they refuse to take their seats in Westminster. So by all means keep slagging off the DUP, it could come back to bite you in the ass VERY hard when you need their support. |
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This is why the tories will stick with hard brexit. They need to in order to keep those ukip voters on side now.
and "hard brexit" then means no DUP support...
plus there are still enough "soft brexiteers in your own party......
you really have to pay attention... its not your weekend is it?
so hmmm..... that next election thing..... "
We shall have to wait and see. Tory MP Bernard Jenkins did an interview on television today where he said he spoke to a DUP MP after the election result and was told the first priority of the DUP is securing Brexit.
The DUP may support Theresa May's Brexit plan in return for assurances on a special deal on the N. Ireland border and extra cash for infrastructure in N.Ireland. As for soft Brexiters in the tory party they are few and far between, many of them like Neil Carmichael lost their seats on Thursday. Bernard Jenkin said there were only about 4 or 5 of them left, the same old faces like Anna Soubry and Ken Clarke who keep being recycled by the likes of the BBC. We shall all have to wait and see what type of deal is thrashed out with the DUP when Theresa May meets Arlene Foster on Tuesday. |
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That would be the same DUP who's support Labour would need if Labour want to form a minority government. Given the maths of the general election result Corbyn would need to do a deal with the SNP, Lib dems (who say they won't deal with anyone), greens, and the DUP combined. You can rule out Sinn Fein because they refuse to take their seats in Westminster. So by all means keep slagging off the DUP, it could come back to bite you in the ass VERY hard when you need their support. "
so again......... how much do the conservatives have now compromise for the DUP.... whats the asking price to basically become their bitch!!!
this is the DUP that campaigned for a soft brexit........
so... pick your poison centaur, single market... or customs union?
the hard brexit that you wanted is dead in the water, because all of the other parties CAN gang up on may...........
irony for a party that is really anti LGBT, they can really bend you over right now.... and you are just going to have to take it, and like it!!!!
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"The DUP and tories will not work well togther it will all fall apart.
The DUP
The party is opposed to abortion and gay marriage, but it goes further than that.
Members of the party have described LGBT people as "disgusting" and an "abomination".
Arlene Foster, the DUP leader, is keen to avoid a hard border with Ireland and has spoken against a "hard Brexit."
The party’s manifesto reveals splits with the Tories over pensions and winter fuels payments.
The DUP pledges to maintain the pension triple lock, while the Tories jettisoned the 2.5 per cent rise safeguard.
In 2015, their health minister faced concerns when he said “The facts show that you certainly don’t bring a child up in a homosexual relationship. That child is far more likely to be abused or neglected …”
The list goes on
And let's not forget the DUP are happy to hobnob with a terrorist group who murdered a man in front of his three year old son only this month.
Any Tory who doesn't condemn this toxic alliance illustrates quite clearly how genuine their feelings are on whether terrorism is unacceptable or not.
That would be the same DUP who's support Labour would need if Labour want to form a minority government. Given the maths of the general election result Corbyn would need to do a deal with the SNP, Lib dems (who say they won't deal with anyone), greens, and the DUP combined. You can rule out Sinn Fein because they refuse to take their seats in Westminster. So by all means keep slagging off the DUP, it could come back to bite you in the ass VERY hard when you need their support. "
A Labour/Greens/Lib Dem/SNP/DUP coalition is never, ever going to happen. And the DUP is deserving of a lot of criticism for its policies, associations and statements.
You were the main person on here talking about Corbyn and terrorism. Its incredibly hypocritical of you not to be equally outraged at the Conservatives going into power with the DUP. But for you I guess convenience trumps principles. |
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Don't tell centaur that you will get a load of abuse because guess what he's all the answers so far don't think he's got one right yet poor boy "
Well he was right twice: about Brexit and Trump....but then that old saying of even a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
"The DUP and tories will not work well togther it will all fall apart.
The DUP
The party is opposed to abortion and gay marriage, but it goes further than that.
Members of the party have described LGBT people as "disgusting" and an "abomination".
Arlene Foster, the DUP leader, is keen to avoid a hard border with Ireland and has spoken against a "hard Brexit."
The party’s manifesto reveals splits with the Tories over pensions and winter fuels payments.
The DUP pledges to maintain the pension triple lock, while the Tories jettisoned the 2.5 per cent rise safeguard.
In 2015, their health minister faced concerns when he said “The facts show that you certainly don’t bring a child up in a homosexual relationship. That child is far more likely to be abused or neglected …”
The list goes on
And let's not forget the DUP are happy to hobnob with a terrorist group who murdered a man in front of his three year old son only this month.
Any Tory who doesn't condemn this toxic alliance illustrates quite clearly how genuine their feelings are on whether terrorism is unacceptable or not.
That would be the same DUP who's support Labour would need if Labour want to form a minority government. Given the maths of the general election result Corbyn would need to do a deal with the SNP, Lib dems (who say they won't deal with anyone), greens, and the DUP combined. You can rule out Sinn Fein because they refuse to take their seats in Westminster. So by all means keep slagging off the DUP, it could come back to bite you in the ass VERY hard when you need their support. "
It's biting you in the arse very hard right now.
You can play pointless whataboutery all you like, but you either condemn the Tories for what they are doing, or you are explicitly saying supporting terrorists are fine, if they are on your side.
Which is it, Centaur?
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Don't tell centaur that you will get a load of abuse because guess what he's all the answers so far don't think he's got one right yet poor boy
Well he was right twice: about Brexit and Trump....but then that old saying of even a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind."
I said the Tories would win the general election and they did on 318 seats. Labour came 2nd on 262 seats. |
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"The DUP and tories will not work well togther it will all fall apart.
The DUP
The party is opposed to abortion and gay marriage, but it goes further than that.
Members of the party have described LGBT people as "disgusting" and an "abomination".
Arlene Foster, the DUP leader, is keen to avoid a hard border with Ireland and has spoken against a "hard Brexit."
The party’s manifesto reveals splits with the Tories over pensions and winter fuels payments.
The DUP pledges to maintain the pension triple lock, while the Tories jettisoned the 2.5 per cent rise safeguard.
In 2015, their health minister faced concerns when he said “The facts show that you certainly don’t bring a child up in a homosexual relationship. That child is far more likely to be abused or neglected …”
The list goes on
And let's not forget the DUP are happy to hobnob with a terrorist group who murdered a man in front of his three year old son only this month.
Any Tory who doesn't condemn this toxic alliance illustrates quite clearly how genuine their feelings are on whether terrorism is unacceptable or not.
That would be the same DUP who's support Labour would need if Labour want to form a minority government. Given the maths of the general election result Corbyn would need to do a deal with the SNP, Lib dems (who say they won't deal with anyone), greens, and the DUP combined. You can rule out Sinn Fein because they refuse to take their seats in Westminster. So by all means keep slagging off the DUP, it could come back to bite you in the ass VERY hard when you need their support.
It's biting you in the arse very hard right now.
You can play pointless whataboutery all you like, but you either condemn the Tories for what they are doing, or you are explicitly saying supporting terrorists are fine, if they are on your side.
Which is it, Centaur?
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Corbyn explicitly supported the IRA. The IRA are a terrorist organisation.
It's ridiculous to compare the DUP to the IRA. The DUP are a peaceful political organisation who have legitimate democratically elected MP's.
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"The DUP and tories will not work well togther it will all fall apart.
The DUP
The party is opposed to abortion and gay marriage, but it goes further than that.
Members of the party have described LGBT people as "disgusting" and an "abomination".
Arlene Foster, the DUP leader, is keen to avoid a hard border with Ireland and has spoken against a "hard Brexit."
The party’s manifesto reveals splits with the Tories over pensions and winter fuels payments.
The DUP pledges to maintain the pension triple lock, while the Tories jettisoned the 2.5 per cent rise safeguard.
In 2015, their health minister faced concerns when he said “The facts show that you certainly don’t bring a child up in a homosexual relationship. That child is far more likely to be abused or neglected …”
The list goes on
And let's not forget the DUP are happy to hobnob with a terrorist group who murdered a man in front of his three year old son only this month.
Any Tory who doesn't condemn this toxic alliance illustrates quite clearly how genuine their feelings are on whether terrorism is unacceptable or not.
That would be the same DUP who's support Labour would need if Labour want to form a minority government. Given the maths of the general election result Corbyn would need to do a deal with the SNP, Lib dems (who say they won't deal with anyone), greens, and the DUP combined. You can rule out Sinn Fein because they refuse to take their seats in Westminster. So by all means keep slagging off the DUP, it could come back to bite you in the ass VERY hard when you need their support.
It's biting you in the arse very hard right now.
You can play pointless whataboutery all you like, but you either condemn the Tories for what they are doing, or you are explicitly saying supporting terrorists are fine, if they are on your side.
Which is it, Centaur?
Corbyn explicitly supported the IRA. The IRA are a terrorist organisation.
It's ridiculous to compare the DUP to the IRA. The DUP are a peaceful political organisation who have legitimate democratically elected MP's.
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Explicitly?
How do you work that one out? Even the smears during the election could only suggest that he had terrorist sympathies (which is not the case) - Even they wouldn't be daft enough to libel someone.
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Don't tell centaur that you will get a load of abuse because guess what he's all the answers so far don't think he's got one right yet poor boy
Well he was right twice: about Brexit and Trump....but then that old saying of even a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind."
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Don't tell centaur that you will get a load of abuse because guess what he's all the answers so far don't think he's got one right yet poor boy
Well he was right twice: about Brexit and Trump....but then that old saying of even a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind.
If he doesn't not spinning soon he'll burst a blood vessel."
Far from it I'm very happy the Tories won the general election and are now forming a new government.
It's the bitter and angry Labour supporters who just lost another election who need to calm themselves down. Although watching people like Owen Jones get triggered on television at the thought of a Conservative/DUP alliance is very entertaining I have to say. |
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On the subject of this thread. We're seeing the negotiating ability of this government now with the DUP.
On Friday May came back from seeing the Queen saying she had a deal with the DUP; the DUP said there's no deal yet, we're just talking.
Last night May said again she had a deal with the DUP;
the DUP said "no deal yet, we're just talking";
May says "yes we do";
DUP says "Not yet";
May says "You're right, not yet"
FFS if she can't even negotiate a deal, or even know if she has a deal, with 10 MPs from Northern Ireland how the hell can she hope to negotiate a good trade deal with 27 countries? |
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Corbyn explicitly supported the IRA. The IRA are a terrorist organisation.
It's ridiculous to compare the DUP to the IRA. The DUP are a peaceful political organisation who have legitimate democratically elected MP's.
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The DUP have explicitly supported loyalist terrorism for decades. When they felt loyalist terrorism wasnt going far enough they set up their own terrorist group. In a public meeting Ian Paisley and Peter Robinson stood up and founded a terrorist group. These two men led the DUP up until December 2015.
Their terrorist group murdered, shot, blew up civilians, robbed banks and stole missile technology from Britain to sell on to foreign entities.
The DUP have always been a hateful group of people with a history of violence. |
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"I believe if another election was to be called labour would win
Don't tell centaur that you will get a load of abuse because guess what he's all the answers so far don't think he's got one right yet poor boy
Well he was right twice: about Brexit and Trump....but then that old saying of even a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind.
If he doesn't not spinning soon he'll burst a blood vessel.
Far from it I'm very happy the Tories won the general election and are now forming a new government.
It's the bitter and angry Labour supporters who just lost another election who need to calm themselves down. Although watching people like Owen Jones get triggered on television at the thought of a Conservative/DUP alliance is very entertaining I have to say. "
This toxic ConDup deal, along with the economically suicidal hard BREXIT, is Labour's and Corbyn's ticket power within 2 years.
Given the choice of risking the British economy to either cry "Harry, George and England" or get £30,000 back on student debt, more money spent on social care, £300 in winter fuel allowance, which do you think most people will vote for? |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
"The DUP and tories will not work well togther it will all fall apart.
The DUP
The party is opposed to abortion and gay marriage, but it goes further than that.
Members of the party have described LGBT people as "disgusting" and an "abomination".
Arlene Foster, the DUP leader, is keen to avoid a hard border with Ireland and has spoken against a "hard Brexit."
The party’s manifesto reveals splits with the Tories over pensions and winter fuels payments.
The DUP pledges to maintain the pension triple lock, while the Tories jettisoned the 2.5 per cent rise safeguard.
In 2015, their health minister faced concerns when he said “The facts show that you certainly don’t bring a child up in a homosexual relationship. That child is far more likely to be abused or neglected …”
The list goes on
And let's not forget the DUP are happy to hobnob with a terrorist group who murdered a man in front of his three year old son only this month.
Any Tory who doesn't condemn this toxic alliance illustrates quite clearly how genuine their feelings are on whether terrorism is unacceptable or not.
That would be the same DUP who's support Labour would need if Labour want to form a minority government. Given the maths of the general election result Corbyn would need to do a deal with the SNP, Lib dems (who say they won't deal with anyone), greens, and the DUP combined. You can rule out Sinn Fein because they refuse to take their seats in Westminster. So by all means keep slagging off the DUP, it could come back to bite you in the ass VERY hard when you need their support.
It's biting you in the arse very hard right now.
You can play pointless whataboutery all you like, but you either condemn the Tories for what they are doing, or you are explicitly saying supporting terrorists are fine, if they are on your side.
Which is it, Centaur?
Corbyn explicitly supported the IRA. The IRA are a terrorist organisation.
It's ridiculous to compare the DUP to the IRA. The DUP are a peaceful political organisation who have legitimate democratically elected MP's.
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If you say that enough, you might actually be able to pretend to believe it for as long as this 'coalition' lasts.
If you're lucky, you'll only have to excuse the supporters of terrorism for a couple of weeks or so, eh? |
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"On the subject of this thread. We're seeing the negotiating ability of this government now with the DUP.
On Friday May came back from seeing the Queen saying she had a deal with the DUP; the DUP said there's no deal yet, we're just talking.
Last night May said again she had a deal with the DUP;
the DUP said "no deal yet, we're just talking";
May says "yes we do";
DUP says "Not yet";
May says "You're right, not yet"
FFS if she can't even negotiate a deal, or even know if she has a deal, with 10 MPs from Northern Ireland how the hell can she hope to negotiate a good trade deal with 27 countries?"
Of course you would attempt to spin it like that because you don't want to see a deal happen. However Theresa May is meeting Arlene Foster on Tuesday for face to face talks so most sensible people will be waiting until then to see what kind of deal is done. |
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Don't tell centaur that you will get a load of abuse because guess what he's all the answers so far don't think he's got one right yet poor boy
Well he was right twice: about Brexit and Trump....but then that old saying of even a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind.
If he doesn't not spinning soon he'll burst a blood vessel.
Far from it I'm very happy the Tories won the general election and are now forming a new government.
It's the bitter and angry Labour supporters who just lost another election who need to calm themselves down. Although watching people like Owen Jones get triggered on television at the thought of a Conservative/DUP alliance is very entertaining I have to say.
This toxic ConDup deal, along with the economically suicidal hard BREXIT, is Labour's and Corbyn's ticket power within 2 years.
Given the choice of risking the British economy to either cry "Harry, George and England" or get £30,000 back on student debt, more money spent on social care, £300 in winter fuel allowance, which do you think most people will vote for?"
Considering its in the DUP manifesto to keep the winter fuel allowance for all pensioners and keep the triple lock on Pensions these may be things the tories can compromise on to thrash out a deal with the DUP. |
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"The DUP and tories will not work well togther it will all fall apart.
The DUP
The party is opposed to abortion and gay marriage, but it goes further than that.
Members of the party have described LGBT people as "disgusting" and an "abomination".
Arlene Foster, the DUP leader, is keen to avoid a hard border with Ireland and has spoken against a "hard Brexit."
The party’s manifesto reveals splits with the Tories over pensions and winter fuels payments.
The DUP pledges to maintain the pension triple lock, while the Tories jettisoned the 2.5 per cent rise safeguard.
In 2015, their health minister faced concerns when he said “The facts show that you certainly don’t bring a child up in a homosexual relationship. That child is far more likely to be abused or neglected …”
The list goes on
And let's not forget the DUP are happy to hobnob with a terrorist group who murdered a man in front of his three year old son only this month.
Any Tory who doesn't condemn this toxic alliance illustrates quite clearly how genuine their feelings are on whether terrorism is unacceptable or not.
That would be the same DUP who's support Labour would need if Labour want to form a minority government. Given the maths of the general election result Corbyn would need to do a deal with the SNP, Lib dems (who say they won't deal with anyone), greens, and the DUP combined. You can rule out Sinn Fein because they refuse to take their seats in Westminster. So by all means keep slagging off the DUP, it could come back to bite you in the ass VERY hard when you need their support.
It's biting you in the arse very hard right now.
You can play pointless whataboutery all you like, but you either condemn the Tories for what they are doing, or you are explicitly saying supporting terrorists are fine, if they are on your side.
Which is it, Centaur?
Corbyn explicitly supported the IRA. The IRA are a terrorist organisation.
It's ridiculous to compare the DUP to the IRA. The DUP are a peaceful political organisation who have legitimate democratically elected MP's.
If you say that enough, you might actually be able to pretend to believe it for as long as this 'coalition' lasts.
If you're lucky, you'll only have to excuse the supporters of terrorism for a couple of weeks or so, eh? "
Considering Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell have been excusing the IRA for the last 30 to 40 years, 1 week or 2 is but the blink of an eye in comparison. |
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"The DUP and tories will not work well togther it will all fall apart.
The DUP
The party is opposed to abortion and gay marriage, but it goes further than that.
Members of the party have described LGBT people as "disgusting" and an "abomination".
Arlene Foster, the DUP leader, is keen to avoid a hard border with Ireland and has spoken against a "hard Brexit."
The party’s manifesto reveals splits with the Tories over pensions and winter fuels payments.
The DUP pledges to maintain the pension triple lock, while the Tories jettisoned the 2.5 per cent rise safeguard.
In 2015, their health minister faced concerns when he said “The facts show that you certainly don’t bring a child up in a homosexual relationship. That child is far more likely to be abused or neglected …”
The list goes on
And let's not forget the DUP are happy to hobnob with a terrorist group who murdered a man in front of his three year old son only this month.
Any Tory who doesn't condemn this toxic alliance illustrates quite clearly how genuine their feelings are on whether terrorism is unacceptable or not.
That would be the same DUP who's support Labour would need if Labour want to form a minority government. Given the maths of the general election result Corbyn would need to do a deal with the SNP, Lib dems (who say they won't deal with anyone), greens, and the DUP combined. You can rule out Sinn Fein because they refuse to take their seats in Westminster. So by all means keep slagging off the DUP, it could come back to bite you in the ass VERY hard when you need their support.
It's biting you in the arse very hard right now.
You can play pointless whataboutery all you like, but you either condemn the Tories for what they are doing, or you are explicitly saying supporting terrorists are fine, if they are on your side.
Which is it, Centaur?
Corbyn explicitly supported the IRA. The IRA are a terrorist organisation.
It's ridiculous to compare the DUP to the IRA. The DUP are a peaceful political organisation who have legitimate democratically elected MP's.
If you say that enough, you might actually be able to pretend to believe it for as long as this 'coalition' lasts.
If you're lucky, you'll only have to excuse the supporters of terrorism for a couple of weeks or so, eh?
Considering Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell have been excusing the IRA for the last 30 to 40 years, 1 week or 2 is but the blink of an eye in comparison. "
Excusing them is excusing them. But good to see that all your hand wringing over terrorism was empty talk. |
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Latest I am hearing is that the EU are now starting to play hard ball...
If this is true it seems that having told May and her Tory team time and time again that the divorce settlement comes before any trade deals and May returning to business as usual after the election the EU says it my take 12 months before they are ready to talk because they need the UK political situation to be stable before starting negotiations. Guess Ms May is suddenly being made fully aware that she only had one bold for her UK crossbow, triggering article 50. Now she has shot it and lost a general election as well the EU are going to help her and her Tories before country power hungry gits learn a little humility.
Pity we all have to pay the price for Tory hubris. |
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"Latest I am hearing is that the EU are now starting to play hard ball...
If this is true it seems that having told May and her Tory team time and time again that the divorce settlement comes before any trade deals and May returning to business as usual after the election the EU says it my take 12 months before they are ready to talk because they need the UK political situation to be stable before starting negotiations. Guess Ms May is suddenly being made fully aware that she only had one bold for her UK crossbow, triggering article 50. Now she has shot it and lost a general election as well the EU are going to help her and her Tories before country power hungry gits learn a little humility.
Pity we all have to pay the price for Tory hubris."
Well Brexit secretary David Davis released a statement on the news this morning saying he intends to open negotiations with the EU in 7 days time as planned. He also said we are still going to leave the single market and end the free movement of people from the EU. |
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"Well Brexit secretary David Davis released a statement on the news this morning saying he intends to open negotiations with the EU in 7 days time as planned. He also said we are still going to leave the single market and end the free movement of people from the EU. "
You still don't get it do you?
Brexit Secretary (or any other Brit for that matter) can say anything they want, the EU decides everything! That is what the treaty says and like it or not the EU can totally fuck us over if they decide to!
We only had one choice in the matter of brexit...
Triggering article 50...
Now we are at the mercy of the EU...
And just to be clear this is not a political argument, this is a statement of fact. |
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"Well Brexit secretary David Davis released a statement on the news this morning saying he intends to open negotiations with the EU in 7 days time as planned. He also said we are still going to leave the single market and end the free movement of people from the EU.
You still don't get it do you?
Brexit Secretary (or any other Brit for that matter) can say anything they want, the EU decides everything! That is what the treaty says and like it or not the EU can totally fuck us over if they decide to!
We only had one choice in the matter of brexit...
Triggering article 50...
Now we are at the mercy of the EU...
And just to be clear this is not a political argument, this is a statement of fact."
We decide if we stay in the single market or leave and the decision the government has made is to leave. The EU don't get a say in it, they can't force us to stay in the single market! Once out of the single market we can tell the EU we no longer accept free movement, once again the EU don't get a say in it. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
Nothing like going into a negotiation with the white flag waving, if we have so little to offer the EU its a wonder why they wanted us as members in the first place, it is a two way relationship and if they play hardball both sides will lose out, we will have to give ground as they will |
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"if they play hardball both sides will lose out, we will have to give ground as they will "
True...
But if you haven't noticed it's not the EU that have been playing hardball with the rhetoric, it has been May and the British government.
It seems to me that up till Friday the EU has been attempting to placate an ever more stringent brexit blowhard Tory government. I think maybe the the big heavyweight being attacked by the little angry man has just about lost patience and is about to put us flat on our arses and in need of an ICU even if it means they hurt their fist knocking us on our arse. |
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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago
The Council of Elrond |
I see the Scottish Tories and Ruth getting mentioned
Wee fact here the Scottish Tory party does NOT existed try looking up the electorate and you wont find such a party being registered in Scotland
infact all the unionist parties only have branch offices in Scotland lol
Lets see how EVEL will work out for the Scottish Tory mp's trying to pass Tory policies eh and the DUP will be banned too not much of a working majority there what a royal fuck up for the Tories
But hey what the fuck do you expect from a party that since 2010 has yet to meet a target and borrows more and more and adds to the UK debt lmao no wonder the rest of the world is looking at the UK and pissing themselves laughing.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"I see the Scottish Tories and Ruth getting mentioned
Wee fact here the Scottish Tory party does NOT existed try looking up the electorate and you wont find such a party being registered in Scotland
infact all the unionist parties only have branch offices in Scotland lol
Lets see how EVEL will work out for the Scottish Tory mp's trying to pass Tory policies eh and the DUP will be banned too not much of a working majority there what a royal fuck up for the Tories
But hey what the fuck do you expect from a party that since 2010 has yet to meet a target and borrows more and more and adds to the UK debt lmao no wonder the rest of the world is looking at the UK and pissing themselves laughing.
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no offence... and not trying to undermine your diatribe.... but wasn't the original plan for the snp ecomonic vision and spending plans after independence based on oil being $120 a barrel.......
yeah.... how did that work out for ya.......
not sticking up for the scottish conservatives... or scottish labour, but the scottish tories do actually have autonomy over money raising and manifesto which is why they produced there own...
not a fan of any of the parties... just correcting you... |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"if they play hardball both sides will lose out, we will have to give ground as they will
True...
But if you haven't noticed it's not the EU that have been playing hardball with the rhetoric, it has been May and the British government.
It seems to me that up till Friday the EU has been attempting to placate an ever more stringent brexit blowhard Tory government. I think maybe the the big heavyweight being attacked by the little angry man has just about lost patience and is about to put us flat on our arses and in need of an ICU even if it means they hurt their fist knocking us on our arse. "
Forgotten the 100 billion bill they want settled, even some of their own side have admitted that they cant enforce that |
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"Forgotten the 100 billion bill they want settled, even some of their own side have admitted that they cant enforce that "
I have not forgotten anything, and I am fully aware that as a Sovereign State nothing can be enforced on the UK without resorting to war. However considering that should we refuse to settle any outstanding debts the EU could halt all trade with us not only crippling our economy but starving our population in a matter of weeks I find it strange that anyone would think that we will not have to pay. |
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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago
The Council of Elrond |
"I see the Scottish Tories and Ruth getting mentioned
Wee fact here the Scottish Tory party does NOT existed try looking up the electorate and you wont find such a party being registered in Scotland
infact all the unionist parties only have branch offices in Scotland lol
Lets see how EVEL will work out for the Scottish Tory mp's trying to pass Tory policies eh and the DUP will be banned too not much of a working majority there what a royal fuck up for the Tories
But hey what the fuck do you expect from a party that since 2010 has yet to meet a target and borrows more and more and adds to the UK debt lmao no wonder the rest of the world is looking at the UK and pissing themselves laughing.
no offence... and not trying to undermine your diatribe.... but wasn't the original plan for the snp ecomonic vision and spending plans after independence based on oil being $120 a barrel.......
yeah.... how did that work out for ya.......
not sticking up for the scottish conservatives... or scottish labour, but the scottish tories do actually have autonomy over money raising and manifesto which is why they produced there own...
not a fan of any of the parties... just correcting you..."
Ok oil was a bonus for an independent Scotland do people honestly believe Scotland has only oil as revenue ?
Oh on oil where is David Cameron great oil boom that he said would come back when he told Scottish people to vote no in 2014 ?
Can anyone answer this .. what gets made in England and exported to Scotland ? Now has to be made in England remember
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"Forgotten the 100 billion bill they want settled, even some of their own side have admitted that they cant enforce that
I have not forgotten anything, and I am fully aware that as a Sovereign State nothing can be enforced on the UK without resorting to war. However considering that should we refuse to settle any outstanding debts the EU could halt all trade with us not only crippling our economy but starving our population in a matter of weeks I find it strange that anyone would think that we will not have to pay."
I think its right we pay for projects we commited to but nothing else, the point you made was that it was us playing hardball, mine was both sides were doing it just like all public talks, a german MP said the other day that it would be madness not to do a deal, for both sides german industry needs a good deal just as much as ours does, with the lower pound they need tarifs like a hole in the head |
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"On the subject of this thread. We're seeing the negotiating ability of this government now with the DUP.
On Friday May came back from seeing the Queen saying she had a deal with the DUP; the DUP said there's no deal yet, we're just talking.
Last night May said again she had a deal with the DUP;
the DUP said "no deal yet, we're just talking";
May says "yes we do";
DUP says "Not yet";
May says "You're right, not yet"
FFS if she can't even negotiate a deal, or even know if she has a deal, with 10 MPs from Northern Ireland how the hell can she hope to negotiate a good trade deal with 27 countries?
Of course you would attempt to spin it like that because you don't want to see a deal happen. However Theresa May is meeting Arlene Foster on Tuesday for face to face talks so most sensible people will be waiting until then to see what kind of deal is done. "
Actually I do want her and the conservatives to get a deal and I'm pretty sure that I'll be more happy with the eventual deal that is made than you will be. That being said and whilst I don't believe the DUP's history is as disreputable as Shinn Fein's, their current social policies are totally unacceptable to both myself and probably most of the people of the UK. This deal will be toxic, electorally damaging and another suicidal step for the Conservatives, possibly as toxic and economically and politically as suicidal as the BREXIT policy is proving to be. But sometimes you have to poison the body to kill the cancer. |
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"Forgotten the 100 billion bill they want settled, even some of their own side have admitted that they cant enforce that
I have not forgotten anything, and I am fully aware that as a Sovereign State nothing can be enforced on the UK without resorting to war. However considering that should we refuse to settle any outstanding debts the EU could halt all trade with us not only crippling our economy but starving our population in a matter of weeks I find it strange that anyone would think that we will not have to pay.
I think its right we pay for projects we commited to but nothing else, the point you made was that it was us playing hardball, mine was both sides were doing it just like all public talks, a german MP said the other day that it would be madness not to do a deal, for both sides german industry needs a good deal just as much as ours does, with the lower pound they need tarifs like a hole in the head"
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"I believe if another election was to be called labour would win
Don't tell centaur that you will get a load of abuse because guess what he's all the answers so far don't think he's got one right yet poor boy
Well he was right twice: about Brexit and Trump....but then that old saying of even a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind.
If he doesn't not spinning soon he'll burst a blood vessel.
Far from it I'm very happy the Tories won the general election and are now forming a new government.
It's the bitter and angry Labour supporters who just lost another election who need to calm themselves down. Although watching people like Owen Jones get triggered on television at the thought of a Conservative/DUP alliance is very entertaining I have to say.
This toxic ConDup deal, along with the economically suicidal hard BREXIT, is Labour's and Corbyn's ticket power within 2 years.
Given the choice of risking the British economy to either cry "Harry, George and England" or get £30,000 back on student debt, more money spent on social care, £300 in winter fuel allowance, which do you think most people will vote for?
Considering its in the DUP manifesto to keep the winter fuel allowance for all pensioners and keep the triple lock on Pensions these may be things the tories can compromise on to thrash out a deal with the DUP. "
so let me get this straight miss may will bend over and change her manifesto..her promise to the people....cuz of pressure from one party in N Ireland but you believe that this same person is gona go stand up to one of the most powerful organisations on the planet and get her way? If she cant even prove she is boss properly in her own country how the hell is she gona dictate to 27 others? |
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"I believe if another election was to be called labour would win
Don't tell centaur that you will get a load of abuse because guess what he's all the answers so far don't think he's got one right yet poor boy
Well he was right twice: about Brexit and Trump....but then that old saying of even a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind.
If he doesn't not spinning soon he'll burst a blood vessel.
Far from it I'm very happy the Tories won the general election and are now forming a new government.
It's the bitter and angry Labour supporters who just lost another election who need to calm themselves down. Although watching people like Owen Jones get triggered on television at the thought of a Conservative/DUP alliance is very entertaining I have to say.
This toxic ConDup deal, along with the economically suicidal hard BREXIT, is Labour's and Corbyn's ticket power within 2 years.
Given the choice of risking the British economy to either cry "Harry, George and England" or get £30,000 back on student debt, more money spent on social care, £300 in winter fuel allowance, which do you think most people will vote for?
Considering its in the DUP manifesto to keep the winter fuel allowance for all pensioners and keep the triple lock on Pensions these may be things the tories can compromise on to thrash out a deal with the DUP. "
Not if they don't compromise on BREXIT. Then there's still Ruth to think about to. Your hard BREXIT is dead. Accept it, lick your wounds, go back to UKIP and try again. But this time we'll be ready for you. |
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"Well Brexit is actually looking a worse proposition than ever. The EU were hoping for a clear result for May so that she could start negotiations already and do so from a position where the public would take the shitty parts of the deal without upending the government.
Now we're over a year into the post Brexit era and A50s been triggered, the government is unstable, the prime ministers position is unstable, negotiations havent even started yet, theres only 22 months left to negotiate the EU deal and the UK has little leverage and no one experienced in doing trade deals, simpler deals than this take 5+ years to do and the UK has to do similarly complex and detailed deals with dozens of other countries as well!
Good job its only the economy and jobs that depend on this being a success.
Brexit negotiations start in 8 days time. It's on the news now Theresa May and Angela Merkel have agreed the Brexit negotiations will start on schedule.
And Ruth Davidson is taking her 13 seats out of the Tory party to a seperate, but close Scottish Tory party, and has already stated that staying in the single market is far more important than curbing immigration.
Hard brexit is gone. Mays got nothing to negotiate with anymore. Shes bound by the numbers unless Labour vote en masse for a hard brexit. The UK negotiating team is, to use a technical term, absolutely fucked. All the plans they had to negotiate a hard brexit are now redundant and they'll have to start from scratch and negotiations start in 8 days. This is an unmitigated disaster.
8 days to reformulate what their goals are and what their strategies and tactics are to negotiate the worlds most difficult, complex and detailed trade agreement to ever be done in such a short space of time. And theyre up against one of the worlds best and most experienced trade negotiating groups.
This is farcical.
I've seen nothing on the news about Ruth Davidson forming a separate breakaway conservative party. Also If you think the EU's negotiating group is one of the world's best then that is farcical. How many years was it they tried to do a trade deal with the USA? And still after 'x' number of years the deal with USA still hit the skids. To sum up the EU's negotiations team there is only one suitable word and that word is Pathetic.
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The EU were in a position were they didn't have to get a deal done with the US. UK aren't in the same position really. They'll be desperate and they'll be desperate to get deals done with other countries too. Hence the UK groveling on their knees to Trump by getting him over for a state visit. It's like a bad version of Oliver Twist with Thersea May going bowl in hand "Can I have some more please Sir?".
She, and the UK, are a wounded animal at this stage and every other nation will know that and circle around to take advantage. |
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"if they play hardball both sides will lose out, we will have to give ground as they will
True...
But if you haven't noticed it's not the EU that have been playing hardball with the rhetoric, it has been May and the British government.
It seems to me that up till Friday the EU has been attempting to placate an ever more stringent brexit blowhard Tory government. I think maybe the the big heavyweight being attacked by the little angry man has just about lost patience and is about to put us flat on our arses and in need of an ICU even if it means they hurt their fist knocking us on our arse.
Forgotten the 100 billion bill they want settled, even some of their own side have admitted that they cant enforce that "
It's not just the ridiculous amounts of money the EU have been plucking out of thin air though is it. Remember Juncker leaking details of a PRIVATE dinner meeting at number 10 Downing street to the European press. The sooner we are out of this vile cesspit of an organisation called the EU the better. |
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"I believe if another election was to be called labour would win
Don't tell centaur that you will get a load of abuse because guess what he's all the answers so far don't think he's got one right yet poor boy
Well he was right twice: about Brexit and Trump....but then that old saying of even a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind.
If he doesn't not spinning soon he'll burst a blood vessel.
Far from it I'm very happy the Tories won the general election and are now forming a new government.
It's the bitter and angry Labour supporters who just lost another election who need to calm themselves down. Although watching people like Owen Jones get triggered on television at the thought of a Conservative/DUP alliance is very entertaining I have to say.
This toxic ConDup deal, along with the economically suicidal hard BREXIT, is Labour's and Corbyn's ticket power within 2 years.
Given the choice of risking the British economy to either cry "Harry, George and England" or get £30,000 back on student debt, more money spent on social care, £300 in winter fuel allowance, which do you think most people will vote for?
Considering its in the DUP manifesto to keep the winter fuel allowance for all pensioners and keep the triple lock on Pensions these may be things the tories can compromise on to thrash out a deal with the DUP.
Not if they don't compromise on BREXIT. Then there's still Ruth to think about to. Your hard BREXIT is dead. Accept it, lick your wounds, go back to UKIP and try again. But this time we'll be ready for you."
You and the Lib dems on your 8% share of the vote, oh and you just lost Clegg into the bargain. Don't make me laugh. |
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"It's clear you've lost the argument if all you can do is resort to abusive expletive name calling. Such a common trait amongst those on the left when they know they've lost. You swore blind on here around Xmas time Theresa May and the government would never stick to the article 50 timetable to trigger it before March 31st. Well you were completely wrong and article 50 WAS TRIGGERED ON SCHEDULE!!!! After that I take anything you say with a huge pinch of salt! David Davis the Brexit secretary has much more intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the EU than you or I will ever acquire, he says we are leaving the single market and that is the end of it. The EU can't do fuck all about it and no amount of foul mouthed rants on here from you will change that. "
Nope...
You are correct in that I expected that the triggering of article 50 would be delayed, in that I was wrong. However as I did predict the triggering of article 50 did result in a general election the result of which is we have a Tory government who having spent the general election campaign attacking Jeremy Corbyn for talking to the political wing of an NI insurgent group are now relying on the political wing of another NI insurgent group to prop up its minority government.
Now although I got the details wrong, after all who in their right mind would have foreseen this turn of events, has not my prediction of May triggering article 50 and then finding an excuse to trigger an election that she would do everything she could to loose not happened?
Maybe you need to take a little time and remember everything I said. |
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"On the subject of this thread. We're seeing the negotiating ability of this government now with the DUP.
On Friday May came back from seeing the Queen saying she had a deal with the DUP; the DUP said there's no deal yet, we're just talking.
Last night May said again she had a deal with the DUP;
the DUP said "no deal yet, we're just talking";
May says "yes we do";
DUP says "Not yet";
May says "You're right, not yet"
FFS if she can't even negotiate a deal, or even know if she has a deal, with 10 MPs from Northern Ireland how the hell can she hope to negotiate a good trade deal with 27 countries?
Of course you would attempt to spin it like that because you don't want to see a deal happen. However Theresa May is meeting Arlene Foster on Tuesday for face to face talks so most sensible people will be waiting until then to see what kind of deal is done.
Actually I do want her and the conservatives to get a deal and I'm pretty sure that I'll be more happy with the eventual deal that is made than you will be. That being said and whilst I don't believe the DUP's history is as disreputable as Shinn Fein's, their current social policies are totally unacceptable to both myself and probably most of the people of the UK. This deal will be toxic, electorally damaging and another suicidal step for the Conservatives, possibly as toxic and economically and politically as suicidal as the BREXIT policy is proving to be. But sometimes you have to poison the body to kill the cancer."
As you well know issues around LBGT rights and abortion are devolved to the N.Ireland power sharing executive/assembly so the DUP already have control over those issues in N.Ireland. They won't be a factor at all in any kind of deal with the Conservatives, it's completely disingenuous on your part and just mischief making to suggest otherwise.
As for your assumption that brexit is a vote loser all the evidence suggests completely the opposite and brexit is clearly a vote winner. First of all Brexit won the EU referendum last year = vote winner. The Theresa May brexit plan just saw the conservatives increase their vote share compared to 2015 general election and they got millions more votes compared to 2015. Labour also had a brexit manifesto and increased their vote share compared to 2015 general election and they got millions more votes than they did In 2015. Its more than obvious Brexit is a sure fire vote winner. |
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"It's clear you've lost the argument if all you can do is resort to abusive expletive name calling. Such a common trait amongst those on the left when they know they've lost. You swore blind on here around Xmas time Theresa May and the government would never stick to the article 50 timetable to trigger it before March 31st. Well you were completely wrong and article 50 WAS TRIGGERED ON SCHEDULE!!!! After that I take anything you say with a huge pinch of salt! David Davis the Brexit secretary has much more intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the EU than you or I will ever acquire, he says we are leaving the single market and that is the end of it. The EU can't do fuck all about it and no amount of foul mouthed rants on here from you will change that.
Nope...
You are correct in that I expected that the triggering of article 50 would be delayed, in that I was wrong. However as I did predict the triggering of article 50 did result in a general election the result of which is we have a Tory government who having spent the general election campaign attacking Jeremy Corbyn for talking to the political wing of an NI insurgent group are now relying on the political wing of another NI insurgent group to prop up its minority government.
Now although I got the details wrong, after all who in their right mind would have foreseen this turn of events, has not my prediction of May triggering article 50 and then finding an excuse to trigger an election that she would do everything she could to loose not happened?
Maybe you need to take a little time and remember everything I said. "
Done everything she could to lose but such is the publics desire for Brexit she still ended up winning the election. I don't think you've thought this through properly. Oh and let's not forget when Gordon Brown lost the general election for Labour in 2010 and he was scrambling around trying to form a minority government he was calling the DUP to try to make a deal with them. It's okay for Labour to make a deal in your eyes though but the conservatives must be forbidden and prevented from doing any kind of deal with the same people Gordon Brown was pleading with. |
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"I believe if another election was to be called labour would win
Don't tell centaur that you will get a load of abuse because guess what he's all the answers so far don't think he's got one right yet poor boy
Well he was right twice: about Brexit and Trump....but then that old saying of even a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind.
If he doesn't not spinning soon he'll burst a blood vessel.
Far from it I'm very happy the Tories won the general election and are now forming a new government.
It's the bitter and angry Labour supporters who just lost another election who need to calm themselves down. Although watching people like Owen Jones get triggered on television at the thought of a Conservative/DUP alliance is very entertaining I have to say.
This toxic ConDup deal, along with the economically suicidal hard BREXIT, is Labour's and Corbyn's ticket power within 2 years.
Given the choice of risking the British economy to either cry "Harry, George and England" or get £30,000 back on student debt, more money spent on social care, £300 in winter fuel allowance, which do you think most people will vote for?
Considering its in the DUP manifesto to keep the winter fuel allowance for all pensioners and keep the triple lock on Pensions these may be things the tories can compromise on to thrash out a deal with the DUP.
Not if they don't compromise on BREXIT. Then there's still Ruth to think about to. Your hard BREXIT is dead. Accept it, lick your wounds, go back to UKIP and try again. But this time we'll be ready for you.
You and the Lib dems on your 8% share of the vote, oh and you just lost Clegg into the bargain. Don't make me laugh. "
Wake up and smell the coffee. The LibDem vote and Clegg's situation are irrelevant. Just as what David Davies or any other BREXITer says is irrelevant. The maths and numbers in the house of commons just don't add up for hard BREXIT or possibly any BREXIT at all. Problem with zealots like you is you just can't see the truth for your own mad beliefs.
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"On the subject of this thread. We're seeing the negotiating ability of this government now with the DUP.
On Friday May came back from seeing the Queen saying she had a deal with the DUP; the DUP said there's no deal yet, we're just talking.
Last night May said again she had a deal with the DUP;
the DUP said "no deal yet, we're just talking";
May says "yes we do";
DUP says "Not yet";
May says "You're right, not yet"
FFS if she can't even negotiate a deal, or even know if she has a deal, with 10 MPs from Northern Ireland how the hell can she hope to negotiate a good trade deal with 27 countries?
Of course you would attempt to spin it like that because you don't want to see a deal happen. However Theresa May is meeting Arlene Foster on Tuesday for face to face talks so most sensible people will be waiting until then to see what kind of deal is done.
Actually I do want her and the conservatives to get a deal and I'm pretty sure that I'll be more happy with the eventual deal that is made than you will be. That being said and whilst I don't believe the DUP's history is as disreputable as Shinn Fein's, their current social policies are totally unacceptable to both myself and probably most of the people of the UK. This deal will be toxic, electorally damaging and another suicidal step for the Conservatives, possibly as toxic and economically and politically as suicidal as the BREXIT policy is proving to be. But sometimes you have to poison the body to kill the cancer.
As you well know issues around LBGT rights and abortion are devolved to the N.Ireland power sharing executive/assembly so the DUP already have control over those issues in N.Ireland. They won't be a factor at all in any kind of deal with the Conservatives, it's completely disingenuous on your part and just mischief making to suggest otherwise.
As for your assumption that brexit is a vote loser all the evidence suggests completely the opposite and brexit is clearly a vote winner. First of all Brexit won the EU referendum last year = vote winner. The Theresa May brexit plan just saw the conservatives increase their vote share compared to 2015 general election and they got millions more votes compared to 2015. Labour also had a brexit manifesto and increased their vote share compared to 2015 general election and they got millions more votes than they did In 2015. Its more than obvious Brexit is a sure fire vote winner. "
Keep spinning that line if you want but Labour picked up votes and gains in the south from mostly remainers where as the Conservatives picked up votes but no seats in the north from leavers. It's seats that actually count and this mad, economically suicidal, uncompromising BREXIT policy cost votes that led to the loss of seats. But, like I said to you and many others when you were insisting that BREXIT would happen and remainers should just 'suck it up and accept it'; let's just wait and see what happens.
Look on the bright side, at least Nigel will be back on the Euro gravy train again. |
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By *abioMan
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I think we are heading towards something like a deal where the uk is outside the single market... but tries to remain in the customs union at some sort of price....
That means the scope of making your own trade deals are going to be severely limited....
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Is it time for remainers to say I told you so yet? ...this whole cluster fuck started with some tories lying to the public making them believe that they can have all the benefits of the EU without paying the price... |
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"Is it time for remainers to say I told you so yet? ...this whole cluster fuck started with some tories lying to the public making them believe that they can have all the benefits of the EU without paying the price..."
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"I believe if another election was to be called labour would win
Don't tell centaur that you will get a load of abuse because guess what he's all the answers so far don't think he's got one right yet poor boy
Well he was right twice: about Brexit and Trump....but then that old saying of even a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind.
If he doesn't not spinning soon he'll burst a blood vessel.
Far from it I'm very happy the Tories won the general election and are now forming a new government.
It's the bitter and angry Labour supporters who just lost another election who need to calm themselves down. Although watching people like Owen Jones get triggered on television at the thought of a Conservative/DUP alliance is very entertaining I have to say.
This toxic ConDup deal, along with the economically suicidal hard BREXIT, is Labour's and Corbyn's ticket power within 2 years.
Given the choice of risking the British economy to either cry "Harry, George and England" or get £30,000 back on student debt, more money spent on social care, £300 in winter fuel allowance, which do you think most people will vote for?
Considering its in the DUP manifesto to keep the winter fuel allowance for all pensioners and keep the triple lock on Pensions these may be things the tories can compromise on to thrash out a deal with the DUP.
Not if they don't compromise on BREXIT. Then there's still Ruth to think about to. Your hard BREXIT is dead. Accept it, lick your wounds, go back to UKIP and try again. But this time we'll be ready for you.
You and the Lib dems on your 8% share of the vote, oh and you just lost Clegg into the bargain. Don't make me laugh.
Wake up and smell the coffee. The LibDem vote and Clegg's situation are irrelevant. Just as what David Davies or any other BREXITer says is irrelevant. The maths and numbers in the house of commons just don't add up for hard BREXIT or possibly any BREXIT at all. Problem with zealots like you is you just can't see the truth for your own mad beliefs.
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The maths and numbers in the house of commons didn't add up for Brexit before the general election, there were far more remain MP's than Leave MP's yet article 50 still passed with a huge majority. You are a zealot on the other side of the argument, you can't see the truth and continue to stick your head in the sand to the reality of the situation. |
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"On the subject of this thread. We're seeing the negotiating ability of this government now with the DUP.
On Friday May came back from seeing the Queen saying she had a deal with the DUP; the DUP said there's no deal yet, we're just talking.
Last night May said again she had a deal with the DUP;
the DUP said "no deal yet, we're just talking";
May says "yes we do";
DUP says "Not yet";
May says "You're right, not yet"
FFS if she can't even negotiate a deal, or even know if she has a deal, with 10 MPs from Northern Ireland how the hell can she hope to negotiate a good trade deal with 27 countries?
Of course you would attempt to spin it like that because you don't want to see a deal happen. However Theresa May is meeting Arlene Foster on Tuesday for face to face talks so most sensible people will be waiting until then to see what kind of deal is done.
Actually I do want her and the conservatives to get a deal and I'm pretty sure that I'll be more happy with the eventual deal that is made than you will be. That being said and whilst I don't believe the DUP's history is as disreputable as Shinn Fein's, their current social policies are totally unacceptable to both myself and probably most of the people of the UK. This deal will be toxic, electorally damaging and another suicidal step for the Conservatives, possibly as toxic and economically and politically as suicidal as the BREXIT policy is proving to be. But sometimes you have to poison the body to kill the cancer.
As you well know issues around LBGT rights and abortion are devolved to the N.Ireland power sharing executive/assembly so the DUP already have control over those issues in N.Ireland. They won't be a factor at all in any kind of deal with the Conservatives, it's completely disingenuous on your part and just mischief making to suggest otherwise.
As for your assumption that brexit is a vote loser all the evidence suggests completely the opposite and brexit is clearly a vote winner. First of all Brexit won the EU referendum last year = vote winner. The Theresa May brexit plan just saw the conservatives increase their vote share compared to 2015 general election and they got millions more votes compared to 2015. Labour also had a brexit manifesto and increased their vote share compared to 2015 general election and they got millions more votes than they did In 2015. Its more than obvious Brexit is a sure fire vote winner.
Keep spinning that line if you want but Labour picked up votes and gains in the south from mostly remainers where as the Conservatives picked up votes but no seats in the north from leavers. It's seats that actually count and this mad, economically suicidal, uncompromising BREXIT policy cost votes that led to the loss of seats. But, like I said to you and many others when you were insisting that BREXIT would happen and remainers should just 'suck it up and accept it'; let's just wait and see what happens.
Look on the bright side, at least Nigel will be back on the Euro gravy train again. "
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"I think we are heading towards something like a deal where the uk is outside the single market... but tries to remain in the customs union at some sort of price....
That means the scope of making your own trade deals are going to be severely limited....
The hard brexit fanatics are going to hate this... "
Hard line Remainers will hate it, they don't want to leave the single market. I don't think all those people who voted for Labour realise if Corbyn was running things he would also have to leave the single market to implement his manifesto promises on nationalisation. The EU single market rules forbid nationalisation of things like the railways, Corbyn would have to leave the single market for his nationalisation programme. |
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Well if we are to leave it's fucking time for the wankers in power to start fucking negotiations with the fucking EU......fucking... 
I still think brexits a bad idea but the more our government fucks about when there's so much that needs to be sorted out its bloody annoying.
Business needs to have a bleeding clue about the shape of the business landscape ahead otherwise we'll just stagnate into a whole heap of shit if we carry on like this.
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By *abioMan
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" The EU single market rules forbid nationalisation of things like the railways, Corbyn would have to leave the single market for his nationalisation programme. "
See it's posts like this that really let you down because you spout of stuff without knowing both the rules and the policy.....
With regard to the railway, the policy was to let the franchise agreements finish... that way the government could take over the railway a bit at a time with no cost to the taxpayers and would be perfectly legal....  |
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By *obka3Couple
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" The EU single market rules forbid nationalisation of things like the railways, Corbyn would have to leave the single market for his nationalisation programme.
See it's posts like this that really let you down because you spout of stuff without knowing both the rules and the policy.....
With regard to the railway, the policy was to let the franchise agreements finish... that way the government could take over the railway a bit at a time with no cost to the taxpayers and would be perfectly legal.... "
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"I think we are heading towards something like a deal where the uk is outside the single market... but tries to remain in the customs union at some sort of price....
That means the scope of making your own trade deals are going to be severely limited....
The hard brexit fanatics are going to hate this...
Hard line Remainers will hate it, they don't want to leave the single market. I don't think all those people who voted for Labour realise if Corbyn was running things he would also have to leave the single market to implement his manifesto promises on nationalisation. The EU single market rules forbid nationalisation of things like the railways, Corbyn would have to leave the single market for his nationalisation programme. "
Ile tall you this matey if conservatives fuck about any more there will be no brexit
They have fucked every thing up for everybody
But again you don't see that
You just come on here shouting your big mouth off as if you no all the answers why don't you become a politician if you think your so fucking clever |
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Brexit disaster continues. The negotiations are delayed again because the UK arent ready to start as planned. Davis has said that they wont start Monday as planned and "might" start later that week. But who knows at this stage?
Underscoring the UKs incredibly weak negotiating position the EU have said that if the UK doesnt agree to their timetable of Divorce bill, followed by citizen rights, then Ireland/Northern Ireland border before finally discussing trade then negotiations will be delayed for a year. That would leave only 9 months for a deal to be struck putting intolerable pressure on the UK to make a quick deal allowing the EU to essentially dictate terms.
So we'll see how negotiations are going to play out with this point. If May/Davis hold firm on their timetable and win they'll show how good a negotiating team they have. If they essentially agree but the EU throws them a minor concession then the EU will allow them a decent Brexit deal. If the EU hold firm and they get their timetable then the UK just got made Europes bitch and theyre going to get fucked more than everyone on this site combined. |
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"Brexit disaster continues. The negotiations are delayed again because the UK arent ready to start as planned. Davis has said that they wont start Monday as planned and "might" start later that week. But who knows at this stage?
Underscoring the UKs incredibly weak negotiating position the EU have said that if the UK doesnt agree to their timetable of Divorce bill, followed by citizen rights, then Ireland/Northern Ireland border before finally discussing trade then negotiations will be delayed for a year. That would leave only 9 months for a deal to be struck putting intolerable pressure on the UK to make a quick deal allowing the EU to essentially dictate terms.
So we'll see how negotiations are going to play out with this point. If May/Davis hold firm on their timetable and win they'll show how good a negotiating team they have. If they essentially agree but the EU throws them a minor concession then the EU will allow them a decent Brexit deal. If the EU hold firm and they get their timetable then the UK just got made Europes bitch and theyre going to get fucked more than everyone on this site combined."
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" The EU single market rules forbid nationalisation of things like the railways, Corbyn would have to leave the single market for his nationalisation programme.
See it's posts like this that really let you down because you spout of stuff without knowing both the rules and the policy.....
With regard to the railway, the policy was to let the franchise agreements finish... that way the government could take over the railway a bit at a time with no cost to the taxpayers and would be perfectly legal....
What are they going to carry the passengers with ? "
Exactly, and it wasn't just the railways Corbyn wanted to nationalise. He also wanted to nationalise energy and Royal Mail again. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
" The EU single market rules forbid nationalisation of things like the railways, Corbyn would have to leave the single market for his nationalisation programme.
See it's posts like this that really let you down because you spout of stuff without knowing both the rules and the policy.....
With regard to the railway, the policy was to let the franchise agreements finish... that way the government could take over the railway a bit at a time with no cost to the taxpayers and would be perfectly legal....
What are they going to carry the passengers with ? "
A) all trains in the uk are actually leased to the operator
B) the longest any franchise agreement is in place is 7 years.... |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
" The EU single market rules forbid nationalisation of things like the railways, Corbyn would have to leave the single market for his nationalisation programme.
See it's posts like this that really let you down because you spout of stuff without knowing both the rules and the policy.....
With regard to the railway, the policy was to let the franchise agreements finish... that way the government could take over the railway a bit at a time with no cost to the taxpayers and would be perfectly legal....
What are they going to carry the passengers with ?
A) all trains in the uk are actually leased to the operator
B) the longest any franchise agreement is in place is 7 years...."
Not true. Several operators own their own hardware.
And the longest franchise is not due to expire until 2030. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
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Not true. Several operators own their own hardware.
And the longest franchise is not due to expire until 2030."
Now we are going to have a nerd fight..... lol
which operators own their of fleet.. if you are going to say island line on the Isle of Wight they don't count for 4 1930 underground trains... or Eurostar because they are not domestic
And the latest date a uk rail franchise expires at the moment is c2c contract which end November 2024
There are options in some contract that allows it to be extended beyond but those are at the discretion of the dft |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
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Not true. Several operators own their own hardware.
And the longest franchise is not due to expire until 2030.
Now we are going to have a nerd fight..... lol
which operators own their of fleet.. if you are going to say island line on the Isle of Wight they don't count for 4 1930 underground trains... or Eurostar because they are not domestic
And the latest date a uk rail franchise expires at the moment is c2c contract which end November 2024
There are options in some contract that allows it to be extended beyond but those are at the discretion of the dft"
It's mainly freight operators but several Companies are moving away from leasing; the new rolling stock for Hull Trains is being purchased by the company on a finance deal. Hitachi is going to be a major player in railway rolling stock very shortly; in fact, their MD of their UK railway division is Karen Boswell, late of Directly Operated Railways (the old east coast company taken into public ownership for a while)
You need to look at England to Scotland sleeper trains for the longest franchise. |
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By *losbMan
over a year ago
gloucester |
"Well Brexit is actually looking a worse proposition than ever. The EU were hoping for a clear result for May so that she could start negotiations already and do so from a position where the public would take the shitty parts of the deal without upending the government.
Now we're over a year into the post Brexit era and A50s been triggered, the government is unstable, the prime ministers position is unstable, negotiations havent even started yet, theres only 22 months left to negotiate the EU deal and the UK has little leverage and no one experienced in doing trade deals, simpler deals than this take 5+ years to do and the UK has to do similarly complex and detailed deals with dozens of other countries as well!
Good job its only the economy and jobs that depend on this being a success."
I blame the public. Things were going smooth until last week. The public wanted brexit with a conservative government and that's what they got. Yet just before it goes ahead they change their mind! What was the problem? Everyone is in work and earning money, lowest unemployment since 1974! Why take the risk??? |
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"Is it time for remainers to say I told you so yet? ...this whole cluster fuck started with some tories lying to the public making them believe that they can have all the benefits of the EU without paying the price...
No "
Not yet but soon. |
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"Is it time for remainers to say I told you so yet? ...this whole cluster fuck started with some tories lying to the public making them believe that they can have all the benefits of the EU without paying the price...
No
Not yet but soon. "
You've been saying that for 12 months. Why don't you get a placard and walk round the park |
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"I believe if another election was to be called labour would win
Don't tell centaur that you will get a load of abuse because guess what he's all the answers so far don't think he's got one right yet poor boy
Well he was right twice: about Brexit and Trump....but then that old saying of even a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind.
If he doesn't not spinning soon he'll burst a blood vessel.
Far from it I'm very happy the Tories won the general election and are now forming a new government.
It's the bitter and angry Labour supporters who just lost another election who need to calm themselves down. Although watching people like Owen Jones get triggered on television at the thought of a Conservative/DUP alliance is very entertaining I have to say.
This toxic ConDup deal, along with the economically suicidal hard BREXIT, is Labour's and Corbyn's ticket power within 2 years.
Given the choice of risking the British economy to either cry "Harry, George and England" or get £30,000 back on student debt, more money spent on social care, £300 in winter fuel allowance, which do you think most people will vote for?
Considering its in the DUP manifesto to keep the winter fuel allowance for all pensioners and keep the triple lock on Pensions these may be things the tories can compromise on to thrash out a deal with the DUP.
Not if they don't compromise on BREXIT. Then there's still Ruth to think about to. Your hard BREXIT is dead. Accept it, lick your wounds, go back to UKIP and try again. But this time we'll be ready for you.
You and the Lib dems on your 8% share of the vote, oh and you just lost Clegg into the bargain. Don't make me laugh.
Wake up and smell the coffee. The LibDem vote and Clegg's situation are irrelevant. Just as what David Davies or any other BREXITer says is irrelevant. The maths and numbers in the house of commons just don't add up for hard BREXIT or possibly any BREXIT at all. Problem with zealots like you is you just can't see the truth for your own mad beliefs.
The maths and numbers in the house of commons didn't add up for Brexit before the general election, there were far more remain MP's than Leave MP's yet article 50 still passed with a huge majority. You are a zealot on the other side of the argument, you can't see the truth and continue to stick your head in the sand to the reality of the situation. "
But, as I said back last July, the only way to stop BREXIT would be either by another referendum or general election. We've just had a general election which was thought by many, but not all, Conservatives on a give us more seats for a hard BREXIT. They got less. We're not where we were last year and everything is up for crabs. Teresa May and the BREXITers don't have the majority required to push through a hard BREXIT. Labour won't help her either this time as the more this Hard BREXIT unravels the weaker and more unstable the Conservatives look. Your choice, and the same applies to all BREXITers, is simple. Either compromise now and have a softer, less economically risky BREXIT or try to continue to force an economically and politically suicidal BREXIT on a reluctant country and loos BREXIT all together. I sort off hope you BREXITers fight on and loos the BREXIT thing all together. |
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"I believe if another election was to be called labour would win
Don't tell centaur that you will get a load of abuse because guess what he's all the answers so far don't think he's got one right yet poor boy
Well he was right twice: about Brexit and Trump....but then that old saying of even a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind.
If he doesn't not spinning soon he'll burst a blood vessel.
Far from it I'm very happy the Tories won the general election and are now forming a new government.
It's the bitter and angry Labour supporters who just lost another election who need to calm themselves down. Although watching people like Owen Jones get triggered on television at the thought of a Conservative/DUP alliance is very entertaining I have to say.
This toxic ConDup deal, along with the economically suicidal hard BREXIT, is Labour's and Corbyn's ticket power within 2 years.
Given the choice of risking the British economy to either cry "Harry, George and England" or get £30,000 back on student debt, more money spent on social care, £300 in winter fuel allowance, which do you think most people will vote for?
Considering its in the DUP manifesto to keep the winter fuel allowance for all pensioners and keep the triple lock on Pensions these may be things the tories can compromise on to thrash out a deal with the DUP.
Not if they don't compromise on BREXIT. Then there's still Ruth to think about to. Your hard BREXIT is dead. Accept it, lick your wounds, go back to UKIP and try again. But this time we'll be ready for you.
You and the Lib dems on your 8% share of the vote, oh and you just lost Clegg into the bargain. Don't make me laugh.
Wake up and smell the coffee. The LibDem vote and Clegg's situation are irrelevant. Just as what David Davies or any other BREXITer says is irrelevant. The maths and numbers in the house of commons just don't add up for hard BREXIT or possibly any BREXIT at all. Problem with zealots like you is you just can't see the truth for your own mad beliefs.
The maths and numbers in the house of commons didn't add up for Brexit before the general election, there were far more remain MP's than Leave MP's yet article 50 still passed with a huge majority. You are a zealot on the other side of the argument, you can't see the truth and continue to stick your head in the sand to the reality of the situation.
But, as I said back last July, the only way to stop BREXIT would be either by another referendum or general election. We've just had a general election which was thought by many, but not all, Conservatives on a give us more seats for a hard BREXIT. They got less. We're not where we were last year and everything is up for crabs. Teresa May and the BREXITers don't have the majority required to push through a hard BREXIT. Labour won't help her either this time as the more this Hard BREXIT unravels the weaker and more unstable the Conservatives look. Your choice, and the same applies to all BREXITers, is simple. Either compromise now and have a softer, less economically risky BREXIT or try to continue to force an economically and politically suicidal BREXIT on a reluctant country and loos BREXIT all together. I sort off hope you BREXITers fight on and loos the BREXIT thing all together."
They'll push for hard brexit
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"On the subject of this thread. We're seeing the negotiating ability of this government now with the DUP.
On Friday May came back from seeing the Queen saying she had a deal with the DUP; the DUP said there's no deal yet, we're just talking.
Last night May said again she had a deal with the DUP;
the DUP said "no deal yet, we're just talking";
May says "yes we do";
DUP says "Not yet";
May says "You're right, not yet"
FFS if she can't even negotiate a deal, or even know if she has a deal, with 10 MPs from Northern Ireland how the hell can she hope to negotiate a good trade deal with 27 countries?
Of course you would attempt to spin it like that because you don't want to see a deal happen. However Theresa May is meeting Arlene Foster on Tuesday for face to face talks so most sensible people will be waiting until then to see what kind of deal is done.
Actually I do want her and the conservatives to get a deal and I'm pretty sure that I'll be more happy with the eventual deal that is made than you will be. That being said and whilst I don't believe the DUP's history is as disreputable as Shinn Fein's, their current social policies are totally unacceptable to both myself and probably most of the people of the UK. This deal will be toxic, electorally damaging and another suicidal step for the Conservatives, possibly as toxic and economically and politically as suicidal as the BREXIT policy is proving to be. But sometimes you have to poison the body to kill the cancer.
As you well know issues around LBGT rights and abortion are devolved to the N.Ireland power sharing executive/assembly so the DUP already have control over those issues in N.Ireland. They won't be a factor at all in any kind of deal with the Conservatives, it's completely disingenuous on your part and just mischief making to suggest otherwise.
As for your assumption that brexit is a vote loser all the evidence suggests completely the opposite and brexit is clearly a vote winner. First of all Brexit won the EU referendum last year = vote winner. The Theresa May brexit plan just saw the conservatives increase their vote share compared to 2015 general election and they got millions more votes compared to 2015. Labour also had a brexit manifesto and increased their vote share compared to 2015 general election and they got millions more votes than they did In 2015. Its more than obvious Brexit is a sure fire vote winner.
Keep spinning that line if you want but Labour picked up votes and gains in the south from mostly remainers where as the Conservatives picked up votes but no seats in the north from leavers. It's seats that actually count and this mad, economically suicidal, uncompromising BREXIT policy cost votes that led to the loss of seats. But, like I said to you and many others when you were insisting that BREXIT would happen and remainers should just 'suck it up and accept it'; let's just wait and see what happens.
Look on the bright side, at least Nigel will be back on the Euro gravy train again.
Well if Nigel does return Labour can kiss goodbye to all those ukip votes they got last Thursday that's for sure. "
But mostly in seats they won in 2015 any how. On the other hand if they back this hard BREXIT they will almost definitely loos the remain votes they picked up in the south and won seats with. The Conservatives didn't pick up a single Labour seat anywhere that can be put down to support from BREXITers but lost seats in the south partly because remain voters left them. The question the Conservative party is asking itself now is not how can we deliver a hard BREXIT but how can they ditch the policy with credibility. |
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" The EU single market rules forbid nationalisation of things like the railways, Corbyn would have to leave the single market for his nationalisation programme.
See it's posts like this that really let you down because you spout of stuff without knowing both the rules and the policy.....
With regard to the railway, the policy was to let the franchise agreements finish... that way the government could take over the railway a bit at a time with no cost to the taxpayers and would be perfectly legal....
What are they going to carry the passengers with ? "
I would hazard a guess that they'd probably carry them in trains which they would probably buy cheap or lease from their current owners who will have little need for them without out the franchise to actually use them.
I'm not in favour of renationalisation of the railways but having the trains to run on it is not going to be a major problem nor my primary objection to it. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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" The EU single market rules forbid nationalisation of things like the railways, Corbyn would have to leave the single market for his nationalisation programme.
See it's posts like this that really let you down because you spout of stuff without knowing both the rules and the policy.....
With regard to the railway, the policy was to let the franchise agreements finish... that way the government could take over the railway a bit at a time with no cost to the taxpayers and would be perfectly legal....
What are they going to carry the passengers with ?
A) all trains in the uk are actually leased to the operator
B) the longest any franchise agreement is in place is 7 years...."
Yes they may well be leased but they still will have to pay for that so it will cost tax payers money |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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" The EU single market rules forbid nationalisation of things like the railways, Corbyn would have to leave the single market for his nationalisation programme.
See it's posts like this that really let you down because you spout of stuff without knowing both the rules and the policy.....
With regard to the railway, the policy was to let the franchise agreements finish... that way the government could take over the railway a bit at a time with no cost to the taxpayers and would be perfectly legal....
What are they going to carry the passengers with ?
I would hazard a guess that they'd probably carry them in trains which they would probably buy cheap or lease from their current owners who will have little need for them without out the franchise to actually use them.
I'm not in favour of renationalisation of the railways but having the trains to run on it is not going to be a major problem nor my primary objection to it."
So you think companies that have had their contracts ended are going to just let the gov have them cheap ? Well I guess the unions will be happy as they can go back to over manning again and have guards on every train just like the old days |
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"I believe if another election was to be called labour would win
Don't tell centaur that you will get a load of abuse because guess what he's all the answers so far don't think he's got one right yet poor boy
Well he was right twice: about Brexit and Trump....but then that old saying of even a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind.
If he doesn't not spinning soon he'll burst a blood vessel.
Far from it I'm very happy the Tories won the general election and are now forming a new government.
It's the bitter and angry Labour supporters who just lost another election who need to calm themselves down. Although watching people like Owen Jones get triggered on television at the thought of a Conservative/DUP alliance is very entertaining I have to say.
This toxic ConDup deal, along with the economically suicidal hard BREXIT, is Labour's and Corbyn's ticket power within 2 years.
Given the choice of risking the British economy to either cry "Harry, George and England" or get £30,000 back on student debt, more money spent on social care, £300 in winter fuel allowance, which do you think most people will vote for?
Considering its in the DUP manifesto to keep the winter fuel allowance for all pensioners and keep the triple lock on Pensions these may be things the tories can compromise on to thrash out a deal with the DUP.
Not if they don't compromise on BREXIT. Then there's still Ruth to think about to. Your hard BREXIT is dead. Accept it, lick your wounds, go back to UKIP and try again. But this time we'll be ready for you.
You and the Lib dems on your 8% share of the vote, oh and you just lost Clegg into the bargain. Don't make me laugh.
Wake up and smell the coffee. The LibDem vote and Clegg's situation are irrelevant. Just as what David Davies or any other BREXITer says is irrelevant. The maths and numbers in the house of commons just don't add up for hard BREXIT or possibly any BREXIT at all. Problem with zealots like you is you just can't see the truth for your own mad beliefs.
The maths and numbers in the house of commons didn't add up for Brexit before the general election, there were far more remain MP's than Leave MP's yet article 50 still passed with a huge majority. You are a zealot on the other side of the argument, you can't see the truth and continue to stick your head in the sand to the reality of the situation.
But, as I said back last July, the only way to stop BREXIT would be either by another referendum or general election. We've just had a general election which was thought by many, but not all, Conservatives on a give us more seats for a hard BREXIT. They got less. We're not where we were last year and everything is up for crabs. Teresa May and the BREXITers don't have the majority required to push through a hard BREXIT. Labour won't help her either this time as the more this Hard BREXIT unravels the weaker and more unstable the Conservatives look. Your choice, and the same applies to all BREXITers, is simple. Either compromise now and have a softer, less economically risky BREXIT or try to continue to force an economically and politically suicidal BREXIT on a reluctant country and loos BREXIT all together. I sort off hope you BREXITers fight on and loos the BREXIT thing all together."
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"I believe if another election was to be called labour would win
Don't tell centaur that you will get a load of abuse because guess what he's all the answers so far don't think he's got one right yet poor boy
Well he was right twice: about Brexit and Trump....but then that old saying of even a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind.
If he doesn't not spinning soon he'll burst a blood vessel.
Far from it I'm very happy the Tories won the general election and are now forming a new government.
It's the bitter and angry Labour supporters who just lost another election who need to calm themselves down. Although watching people like Owen Jones get triggered on television at the thought of a Conservative/DUP alliance is very entertaining I have to say.
This toxic ConDup deal, along with the economically suicidal hard BREXIT, is Labour's and Corbyn's ticket power within 2 years.
Given the choice of risking the British economy to either cry "Harry, George and England" or get £30,000 back on student debt, more money spent on social care, £300 in winter fuel allowance, which do you think most people will vote for?
Considering its in the DUP manifesto to keep the winter fuel allowance for all pensioners and keep the triple lock on Pensions these may be things the tories can compromise on to thrash out a deal with the DUP.
Not if they don't compromise on BREXIT. Then there's still Ruth to think about to. Your hard BREXIT is dead. Accept it, lick your wounds, go back to UKIP and try again. But this time we'll be ready for you.
You and the Lib dems on your 8% share of the vote, oh and you just lost Clegg into the bargain. Don't make me laugh.
Wake up and smell the coffee. The LibDem vote and Clegg's situation are irrelevant. Just as what David Davies or any other BREXITer says is irrelevant. The maths and numbers in the house of commons just don't add up for hard BREXIT or possibly any BREXIT at all. Problem with zealots like you is you just can't see the truth for your own mad beliefs.
The maths and numbers in the house of commons didn't add up for Brexit before the general election, there were far more remain MP's than Leave MP's yet article 50 still passed with a huge majority. You are a zealot on the other side of the argument, you can't see the truth and continue to stick your head in the sand to the reality of the situation.
But, as I said back last July, the only way to stop BREXIT would be either by another referendum or general election. We've just had a general election which was thought by many, but not all, Conservatives on a give us more seats for a hard BREXIT. They got less. We're not where we were last year and everything is up for crabs. Teresa May and the BREXITers don't have the majority required to push through a hard BREXIT. Labour won't help her either this time as the more this Hard BREXIT unravels the weaker and more unstable the Conservatives look. Your choice, and the same applies to all BREXITers, is simple. Either compromise now and have a softer, less economically risky BREXIT or try to continue to force an economically and politically suicidal BREXIT on a reluctant country and loos BREXIT all together. I sort off hope you BREXITers fight on and loos the BREXIT thing all together.
They'll push for hard brexit
Pride cometh before the fall."
The government made an indication that they are still pressing ahead with Theresa May's hard brexit plan today with the appointment of Tory Hard Brexiteer Steve Baker as chief under secretary/junior secretary to the Brexit secretary David Davis. As far as Hard Brexit goes Steve Baker is the hardest of the hard (we are talking Nigel Farage levels of hard Brexit here). Steve Baker will now be working in tandem with and very closely with Brexit secretary David Davis (who said yesterday in a news statement we are still leaving the single market). |
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"Is it time for remainers to say I told you so yet? ...this whole cluster fuck started with some tories lying to the public making them believe that they can have all the benefits of the EU without paying the price...
No
Not yet but soon.
You've been saying that for 12 months. Why don't you get a placard and walk round the park "
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"I believe if another election was to be called labour would win
Don't tell centaur that you will get a load of abuse because guess what he's all the answers so far don't think he's got one right yet poor boy
Well he was right twice: about Brexit and Trump....but then that old saying of even a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind.
If he doesn't not spinning soon he'll burst a blood vessel.
Far from it I'm very happy the Tories won the general election and are now forming a new government.
It's the bitter and angry Labour supporters who just lost another election who need to calm themselves down. Although watching people like Owen Jones get triggered on television at the thought of a Conservative/DUP alliance is very entertaining I have to say.
This toxic ConDup deal, along with the economically suicidal hard BREXIT, is Labour's and Corbyn's ticket power within 2 years.
Given the choice of risking the British economy to either cry "Harry, George and England" or get £30,000 back on student debt, more money spent on social care, £300 in winter fuel allowance, which do you think most people will vote for?
Considering its in the DUP manifesto to keep the winter fuel allowance for all pensioners and keep the triple lock on Pensions these may be things the tories can compromise on to thrash out a deal with the DUP.
Not if they don't compromise on BREXIT. Then there's still Ruth to think about to. Your hard BREXIT is dead. Accept it, lick your wounds, go back to UKIP and try again. But this time we'll be ready for you.
You and the Lib dems on your 8% share of the vote, oh and you just lost Clegg into the bargain. Don't make me laugh.
Wake up and smell the coffee. The LibDem vote and Clegg's situation are irrelevant. Just as what David Davies or any other BREXITer says is irrelevant. The maths and numbers in the house of commons just don't add up for hard BREXIT or possibly any BREXIT at all. Problem with zealots like you is you just can't see the truth for your own mad beliefs.
The maths and numbers in the house of commons didn't add up for Brexit before the general election, there were far more remain MP's than Leave MP's yet article 50 still passed with a huge majority. You are a zealot on the other side of the argument, you can't see the truth and continue to stick your head in the sand to the reality of the situation.
But, as I said back last July, the only way to stop BREXIT would be either by another referendum or general election. We've just had a general election which was thought by many, but not all, Conservatives on a give us more seats for a hard BREXIT. They got less. We're not where we were last year and everything is up for crabs. Teresa May and the BREXITers don't have the majority required to push through a hard BREXIT. Labour won't help her either this time as the more this Hard BREXIT unravels the weaker and more unstable the Conservatives look. Your choice, and the same applies to all BREXITers, is simple. Either compromise now and have a softer, less economically risky BREXIT or try to continue to force an economically and politically suicidal BREXIT on a reluctant country and loos BREXIT all together. I sort off hope you BREXITers fight on and loos the BREXIT thing all together.
They'll push for hard brexit
Pride cometh before the fall.
The government made an indication that they are still pressing ahead with Theresa May's hard brexit plan today with the appointment of Tory Hard Brexiteer Steve Baker as chief under secretary/junior secretary to the Brexit secretary David Davis. As far as Hard Brexit goes Steve Baker is the hardest of the hard (we are talking Nigel Farage levels of hard Brexit here). Steve Baker will now be working in tandem with and very closely with Brexit secretary David Davis (who said yesterday in a news statement we are still leaving the single market). "
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"I believe if another election was to be called labour would win
Don't tell centaur that you will get a load of abuse because guess what he's all the answers so far don't think he's got one right yet poor boy
Well he was right twice: about Brexit and Trump....but then that old saying of even a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind.
If he doesn't not spinning soon he'll burst a blood vessel.
Far from it I'm very happy the Tories won the general election and are now forming a new government.
It's the bitter and angry Labour supporters who just lost another election who need to calm themselves down. Although watching people like Owen Jones get triggered on television at the thought of a Conservative/DUP alliance is very entertaining I have to say.
This toxic ConDup deal, along with the economically suicidal hard BREXIT, is Labour's and Corbyn's ticket power within 2 years.
Given the choice of risking the British economy to either cry "Harry, George and England" or get £30,000 back on student debt, more money spent on social care, £300 in winter fuel allowance, which do you think most people will vote for?
Considering its in the DUP manifesto to keep the winter fuel allowance for all pensioners and keep the triple lock on Pensions these may be things the tories can compromise on to thrash out a deal with the DUP.
Not if they don't compromise on BREXIT. Then there's still Ruth to think about to. Your hard BREXIT is dead. Accept it, lick your wounds, go back to UKIP and try again. But this time we'll be ready for you.
You and the Lib dems on your 8% share of the vote, oh and you just lost Clegg into the bargain. Don't make me laugh.
Wake up and smell the coffee. The LibDem vote and Clegg's situation are irrelevant. Just as what David Davies or any other BREXITer says is irrelevant. The maths and numbers in the house of commons just don't add up for hard BREXIT or possibly any BREXIT at all. Problem with zealots like you is you just can't see the truth for your own mad beliefs.
The maths and numbers in the house of commons didn't add up for Brexit before the general election, there were far more remain MP's than Leave MP's yet article 50 still passed with a huge majority. You are a zealot on the other side of the argument, you can't see the truth and continue to stick your head in the sand to the reality of the situation.
But, as I said back last July, the only way to stop BREXIT would be either by another referendum or general election. We've just had a general election which was thought by many, but not all, Conservatives on a give us more seats for a hard BREXIT. They got less. We're not where we were last year and everything is up for crabs. Teresa May and the BREXITers don't have the majority required to push through a hard BREXIT. Labour won't help her either this time as the more this Hard BREXIT unravels the weaker and more unstable the Conservatives look. Your choice, and the same applies to all BREXITers, is simple. Either compromise now and have a softer, less economically risky BREXIT or try to continue to force an economically and politically suicidal BREXIT on a reluctant country and loos BREXIT all together. I sort off hope you BREXITers fight on and loos the BREXIT thing all together.
They'll push for hard brexit
Pride cometh before the fall.
The government made an indication that they are still pressing ahead with Theresa May's hard brexit plan today with the appointment of Tory Hard Brexiteer Steve Baker as chief under secretary/junior secretary to the Brexit secretary David Davis. As far as Hard Brexit goes Steve Baker is the hardest of the hard (we are talking Nigel Farage levels of hard Brexit here). Steve Baker will now be working in tandem with and very closely with Brexit secretary David Davis (who said yesterday in a news statement we are still leaving the single market).
Great. They'll bring the government down even quicker then. "
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The government made an indication that they are still pressing ahead with Theresa May's hard brexit plan today with the appointment of Tory Hard Brexiteer Steve Baker as chief under secretary/junior secretary to the Brexit secretary David Davis. As far as Hard Brexit goes Steve Baker is the hardest of the hard (we are talking Nigel Farage levels of hard Brexit here). Steve Baker will now be working in tandem with and very closely with Brexit secretary David Davis (who said yesterday in a news statement we are still leaving the single market). "
they may try..... however one of your papers, the sun, did a rough count and they reckon that mp who want a "soft" brexit outnumber those who want the may version by 50-75.........
if they propose the hard brexit.... the likelyhood is that it would be defeated..... even your new "partners" in the DUP support the soft brexit.... ruth's scottish conservatives support the soft brexit....
leave the single market... sure!!!!!
leave the customs union..... I don't think so!!!! |
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"I believe if another election was to be called labour would win
Don't tell centaur that you will get a load of abuse because guess what he's all the answers so far don't think he's got one right yet poor boy
Well he was right twice: about Brexit and Trump....but then that old saying of even a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind.
If he doesn't not spinning soon he'll burst a blood vessel.
Far from it I'm very happy the Tories won the general election and are now forming a new government.
It's the bitter and angry Labour supporters who just lost another election who need to calm themselves down. Although watching people like Owen Jones get triggered on television at the thought of a Conservative/DUP alliance is very entertaining I have to say.
This toxic ConDup deal, along with the economically suicidal hard BREXIT, is Labour's and Corbyn's ticket power within 2 years.
Given the choice of risking the British economy to either cry "Harry, George and England" or get £30,000 back on student debt, more money spent on social care, £300 in winter fuel allowance, which do you think most people will vote for?
Considering its in the DUP manifesto to keep the winter fuel allowance for all pensioners and keep the triple lock on Pensions these may be things the tories can compromise on to thrash out a deal with the DUP.
Not if they don't compromise on BREXIT. Then there's still Ruth to think about to. Your hard BREXIT is dead. Accept it, lick your wounds, go back to UKIP and try again. But this time we'll be ready for you.
You and the Lib dems on your 8% share of the vote, oh and you just lost Clegg into the bargain. Don't make me laugh.
Wake up and smell the coffee. The LibDem vote and Clegg's situation are irrelevant. Just as what David Davies or any other BREXITer says is irrelevant. The maths and numbers in the house of commons just don't add up for hard BREXIT or possibly any BREXIT at all. Problem with zealots like you is you just can't see the truth for your own mad beliefs.
The maths and numbers in the house of commons didn't add up for Brexit before the general election, there were far more remain MP's than Leave MP's yet article 50 still passed with a huge majority. You are a zealot on the other side of the argument, you can't see the truth and continue to stick your head in the sand to the reality of the situation.
But, as I said back last July, the only way to stop BREXIT would be either by another referendum or general election. We've just had a general election which was thought by many, but not all, Conservatives on a give us more seats for a hard BREXIT. They got less. We're not where we were last year and everything is up for crabs. Teresa May and the BREXITers don't have the majority required to push through a hard BREXIT. Labour won't help her either this time as the more this Hard BREXIT unravels the weaker and more unstable the Conservatives look. Your choice, and the same applies to all BREXITers, is simple. Either compromise now and have a softer, less economically risky BREXIT or try to continue to force an economically and politically suicidal BREXIT on a reluctant country and loos BREXIT all together. I sort off hope you BREXITers fight on and loos the BREXIT thing all together.
They'll push for hard brexit
Pride cometh before the fall.
The government made an indication that they are still pressing ahead with Theresa May's hard brexit plan today with the appointment of Tory Hard Brexiteer Steve Baker as chief under secretary/junior secretary to the Brexit secretary David Davis. As far as Hard Brexit goes Steve Baker is the hardest of the hard (we are talking Nigel Farage levels of hard Brexit here). Steve Baker will now be working in tandem with and very closely with Brexit secretary David Davis (who said yesterday in a news statement we are still leaving the single market).
Great. They'll bring the government down even quicker then.
Keep dreaming while Labour are stuck on the opposition benches for the next 5 years. "
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"I believe if another election was to be called labour would win
Don't tell centaur that you will get a load of abuse because guess what he's all the answers so far don't think he's got one right yet poor boy
Well he was right twice: about Brexit and Trump....but then that old saying of even a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind.
If he doesn't not spinning soon he'll burst a blood vessel.
Far from it I'm very happy the Tories won the general election and are now forming a new government.
It's the bitter and angry Labour supporters who just lost another election who need to calm themselves down. Although watching people like Owen Jones get triggered on television at the thought of a Conservative/DUP alliance is very entertaining I have to say.
This toxic ConDup deal, along with the economically suicidal hard BREXIT, is Labour's and Corbyn's ticket power within 2 years.
Given the choice of risking the British economy to either cry "Harry, George and England" or get £30,000 back on student debt, more money spent on social care, £300 in winter fuel allowance, which do you think most people will vote for?
Considering its in the DUP manifesto to keep the winter fuel allowance for all pensioners and keep the triple lock on Pensions these may be things the tories can compromise on to thrash out a deal with the DUP.
Not if they don't compromise on BREXIT. Then there's still Ruth to think about to. Your hard BREXIT is dead. Accept it, lick your wounds, go back to UKIP and try again. But this time we'll be ready for you.
You and the Lib dems on your 8% share of the vote, oh and you just lost Clegg into the bargain. Don't make me laugh.
Wake up and smell the coffee. The LibDem vote and Clegg's situation are irrelevant. Just as what David Davies or any other BREXITer says is irrelevant. The maths and numbers in the house of commons just don't add up for hard BREXIT or possibly any BREXIT at all. Problem with zealots like you is you just can't see the truth for your own mad beliefs.
The maths and numbers in the house of commons didn't add up for Brexit before the general election, there were far more remain MP's than Leave MP's yet article 50 still passed with a huge majority. You are a zealot on the other side of the argument, you can't see the truth and continue to stick your head in the sand to the reality of the situation.
But, as I said back last July, the only way to stop BREXIT would be either by another referendum or general election. We've just had a general election which was thought by many, but not all, Conservatives on a give us more seats for a hard BREXIT. They got less. We're not where we were last year and everything is up for crabs. Teresa May and the BREXITers don't have the majority required to push through a hard BREXIT. Labour won't help her either this time as the more this Hard BREXIT unravels the weaker and more unstable the Conservatives look. Your choice, and the same applies to all BREXITers, is simple. Either compromise now and have a softer, less economically risky BREXIT or try to continue to force an economically and politically suicidal BREXIT on a reluctant country and loos BREXIT all together. I sort off hope you BREXITers fight on and loos the BREXIT thing all together.
They'll push for hard brexit
Pride cometh before the fall.
The government made an indication that they are still pressing ahead with Theresa May's hard brexit plan today with the appointment of Tory Hard Brexiteer Steve Baker as chief under secretary/junior secretary to the Brexit secretary David Davis. As far as Hard Brexit goes Steve Baker is the hardest of the hard (we are talking Nigel Farage levels of hard Brexit here). Steve Baker will now be working in tandem with and very closely with Brexit secretary David Davis (who said yesterday in a news statement we are still leaving the single market).
Great. They'll bring the government down even quicker then.
Keep dreaming while Labour are stuck on the opposition benches for the next 5 years.
Are you even watching the news or are you just getting the daily fail beamed into your eyeballs?"
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"I believe if another election was to be called labour would win
Don't tell centaur that you will get a load of abuse because guess what he's all the answers so far don't think he's got one right yet poor boy
Well he was right twice: about Brexit and Trump....but then that old saying of even a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind.
If he doesn't not spinning soon he'll burst a blood vessel.
Far from it I'm very happy the Tories won the general election and are now forming a new government.
It's the bitter and angry Labour supporters who just lost another election who need to calm themselves down. Although watching people like Owen Jones get triggered on television at the thought of a Conservative/DUP alliance is very entertaining I have to say.
This toxic ConDup deal, along with the economically suicidal hard BREXIT, is Labour's and Corbyn's ticket power within 2 years.
Given the choice of risking the British economy to either cry "Harry, George and England" or get £30,000 back on student debt, more money spent on social care, £300 in winter fuel allowance, which do you think most people will vote for?
Considering its in the DUP manifesto to keep the winter fuel allowance for all pensioners and keep the triple lock on Pensions these may be things the tories can compromise on to thrash out a deal with the DUP.
Not if they don't compromise on BREXIT. Then there's still Ruth to think about to. Your hard BREXIT is dead. Accept it, lick your wounds, go back to UKIP and try again. But this time we'll be ready for you.
You and the Lib dems on your 8% share of the vote, oh and you just lost Clegg into the bargain. Don't make me laugh.
Wake up and smell the coffee. The LibDem vote and Clegg's situation are irrelevant. Just as what David Davies or any other BREXITer says is irrelevant. The maths and numbers in the house of commons just don't add up for hard BREXIT or possibly any BREXIT at all. Problem with zealots like you is you just can't see the truth for your own mad beliefs.
The maths and numbers in the house of commons didn't add up for Brexit before the general election, there were far more remain MP's than Leave MP's yet article 50 still passed with a huge majority. You are a zealot on the other side of the argument, you can't see the truth and continue to stick your head in the sand to the reality of the situation.
But, as I said back last July, the only way to stop BREXIT would be either by another referendum or general election. We've just had a general election which was thought by many, but not all, Conservatives on a give us more seats for a hard BREXIT. They got less. We're not where we were last year and everything is up for crabs. Teresa May and the BREXITers don't have the majority required to push through a hard BREXIT. Labour won't help her either this time as the more this Hard BREXIT unravels the weaker and more unstable the Conservatives look. Your choice, and the same applies to all BREXITers, is simple. Either compromise now and have a softer, less economically risky BREXIT or try to continue to force an economically and politically suicidal BREXIT on a reluctant country and loos BREXIT all together. I sort off hope you BREXITers fight on and loos the BREXIT thing all together.
They'll push for hard brexit
Pride cometh before the fall.
The government made an indication that they are still pressing ahead with Theresa May's hard brexit plan today with the appointment of Tory Hard Brexiteer Steve Baker as chief under secretary/junior secretary to the Brexit secretary David Davis. As far as Hard Brexit goes Steve Baker is the hardest of the hard (we are talking Nigel Farage levels of hard Brexit here). Steve Baker will now be working in tandem with and very closely with Brexit secretary David Davis (who said yesterday in a news statement we are still leaving the single market).
Great. They'll bring the government down even quicker then.
Keep dreaming while Labour are stuck on the opposition benches for the next 5 years.
Are you even watching the news or are you just getting the daily fail beamed into your eyeballs?
Talking to the wall comes to mind "
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The government made an indication that they are still pressing ahead with Theresa May's hard brexit plan today with the appointment of Tory Hard Brexiteer Steve Baker as chief under secretary/junior secretary to the Brexit secretary David Davis. As far as Hard Brexit goes Steve Baker is the hardest of the hard (we are talking Nigel Farage levels of hard Brexit here). Steve Baker will now be working in tandem with and very closely with Brexit secretary David Davis (who said yesterday in a news statement we are still leaving the single market).
they may try..... however one of your papers, the sun, did a rough count and they reckon that mp who want a "soft" brexit outnumber those who want the may version by 50-75.........
if they propose the hard brexit.... the likelyhood is that it would be defeated..... even your new "partners" in the DUP support the soft brexit.... ruth's scottish conservatives support the soft brexit....
leave the single market... sure!!!!!
leave the customs union..... I don't think so!!!! "
Pretty sure people were saying the numbers in the house of commons didn't add up for Brexit before the article 50 vote and it passed with a huge majority. A DUP MP has said their number one priority is delivering Brexit so will they put that in jeopardy by voting against....I don't think so. As for Ruth Davidson she has said all the Scottish conservative MP's will follow the Conservative party whip in Westminster. Any start rocking the boat and they could end up with the government falling and Corbyn as Prime Minister in number 10. More than anything else the tories want to stop Corbyn and Labour getting into 10 Downing street and forming a government. The DUP want to stop Corbyn as well because of his past links to the IRA and Sinn Fein. |
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The government made an indication that they are still pressing ahead with Theresa May's hard brexit plan today with the appointment of Tory Hard Brexiteer Steve Baker as chief under secretary/junior secretary to the Brexit secretary David Davis. As far as Hard Brexit goes Steve Baker is the hardest of the hard (we are talking Nigel Farage levels of hard Brexit here). Steve Baker will now be working in tandem with and very closely with Brexit secretary David Davis (who said yesterday in a news statement we are still leaving the single market).
they may try..... however one of your papers, the sun, did a rough count and they reckon that mp who want a "soft" brexit outnumber those who want the may version by 50-75.........
if they propose the hard brexit.... the likelyhood is that it would be defeated..... even your new "partners" in the DUP support the soft brexit.... ruth's scottish conservatives support the soft brexit....
leave the single market... sure!!!!!
leave the customs union..... I don't think so!!!!
Pretty sure people were saying the numbers in the house of commons didn't add up for Brexit before the article 50 vote and it passed with a huge majority. A DUP MP has said their number one priority is delivering Brexit so will they put that in jeopardy by voting against....I don't think so. As for Ruth Davidson she has said all the Scottish conservative MP's will follow the Conservative party whip in Westminster. Any start rocking the boat and they could end up with the government falling and Corbyn as Prime Minister in number 10. More than anything else the tories want to stop Corbyn and Labour getting into 10 Downing street and forming a government. The DUP want to stop Corbyn as well because of his past links to the IRA and Sinn Fein. "
And the best way to stop Corbyn is by ditching an economically suicidal hard BREXIT. That would make the Conservatives an acceptable electoral choice to centre right voters and, more importantly, having ditched a policy that even it's supporters mostly accept is going to lead to economic hardship for sometime, they can with credibility point out the economic failings in Labour's £50 billion tax and spend plans. Currently they can't put forward any economic arguments against Corbyn because their own policy is even more totally economic suicide. |
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