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"The SNP have a triple lock mandate on the existing mandate on the Holyrood vote that was a democratic vote to allow a new independence referendum while the Tories have fuck all mandate. I know people will disagree with that but what your saying is you dont like the "First past the post" system because it doesnt suit the pro union agenda so once again the goal posts move to save a fucked up unequal UK. The people that voted Tory in Scotland should be ashamed of themselves. " I think you'll find that Independence for Scotland is going further backwards on that backburner! | |||
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"So you think the SNP has no mandate ? What did the SNP put in their manifesto again ? You cant keep changing the rules to suit yourself This is a first past the post system and the SNP won in Scotland so nothing changes on their mandate its just all on how brexit plays out. Now watch the leave voters not be happy that the UK parilment could change its mind and say yes to single market if it doesnt then Scottish people must have the right to choose its future in the fucked up unequal UK union " The SNP, despite a huge hit last night, holds the most seats. However they don't hold the majority of the popular vote, so that seems to say that Indy2 is dead....for the moment. | |||
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"The snp has a mandate. Let them use it as soon as possible !!!!" I'd let them have it asap as well. It's clear what the result would be. | |||
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"The snp has a mandate. Let them use it as soon as possible !!!! I'd let them have it asap as well. It's clear what the result would be."  | |||
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"Doesn't matter how much you wish indy to happen, it's not going to. You can be as angry as you want about it but it's not happening. You'll still be posting all this years from now and nothing will change. I know that must hurt but that's life. Personally, I'm over the moon." Cool thats your opinion fair enough. Will you agree though the SNP have a triple lock mandate ? Do you also agree that the pro indy movement is far bigger than any party ? | |||
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"Clearly i think people were not listening SNP made it clear they are NOT asking for an independence referendum right now it will be when the brexit deal is known and just before the UK leave the EU to have that independence referendum to allow the Scottish voters that with a majority vote rejected brexit a choose of accepting the brexit deal or choosing independence I cant believe people are ok about denying people the right to change their minds on independence thats not democracy that a dictatorship. " Dictatorship??? Its no wonder the SNP like the EU they take the same approach to votes - if they don't like the result they make you vote again and again (given that Indyref 3 has already been trailed because they know what the result of Indyref 2 is). Maybe they should get on with doing something like sorting out the mess of a Scottish Education system that they have presided over? | |||
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"Clearly i think people were not listening SNP made it clear they are NOT asking for an independence referendum right now it will be when the brexit deal is known and just before the UK leave the EU to have that independence referendum to allow the Scottish voters that with a majority vote rejected brexit a choose of accepting the brexit deal or choosing independence I cant believe people are ok about denying people the right to change their minds on independence thats not democracy that a dictatorship. Dictatorship??? Its no wonder the SNP like the EU they take the same approach to votes - if they don't like the result they make you vote again and again (given that Indyref 3 has already been trailed because they know what the result of Indyref 2 is). Maybe they should get on with doing something like sorting out the mess of a Scottish Education system that they have presided over?" Jesus this is worrying to see that how many do not understand when you vote for a party and their manifesto and the win the election they have a mandate to deliver on their mandate. Same old pish get on with the day job and believe the media yet here lies the problem this was a UK election not on devolved issues but what the SNP mp's would do in Westminster. Also free education is Scotland and free school meals for kids am so glad kids in Scotland will get a free meal while the Tories in England will take that away from kids. | |||
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"Clearly i think people were not listening SNP made it clear they are NOT asking for an independence referendum right now it will be when the brexit deal is known and just before the UK leave the EU to have that independence referendum to allow the Scottish voters that with a majority vote rejected brexit a choose of accepting the brexit deal or choosing independence I cant believe people are ok about denying people the right to change their minds on independence thats not democracy that a dictatorship. Dictatorship??? Its no wonder the SNP like the EU they take the same approach to votes - if they don't like the result they make you vote again and again (given that Indyref 3 has already been trailed because they know what the result of Indyref 2 is). Maybe they should get on with doing something like sorting out the mess of a Scottish Education system that they have presided over? Jesus this is worrying to see that how many do not understand when you vote for a party and their manifesto and the win the election they have a mandate to deliver on their mandate. Same old pish get on with the day job and believe the media yet here lies the problem this was a UK election not on devolved issues but what the SNP mp's would do in Westminster. Also free education is Scotland and free school meals for kids am so glad kids in Scotland will get a free meal while the Tories in England will take that away from kids. " shame the kids won't be able read or write properly though, but of course that isn't as important as independence | |||
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"Clearly i think people were not listening SNP made it clear they are NOT asking for an independence referendum right now it will be when the brexit deal is known and just before the UK leave the EU to have that independence referendum to allow the Scottish voters that with a majority vote rejected brexit a choose of accepting the brexit deal or choosing independence I cant believe people are ok about denying people the right to change their minds on independence thats not democracy that a dictatorship. Dictatorship??? Its no wonder the SNP like the EU they take the same approach to votes - if they don't like the result they make you vote again and again (given that Indyref 3 has already been trailed because they know what the result of Indyref 2 is). Maybe they should get on with doing something like sorting out the mess of a Scottish Education system that they have presided over? Jesus this is worrying to see that how many do not understand when you vote for a party and their manifesto and the win the election they have a mandate to deliver on their mandate. Same old pish get on with the day job and believe the media yet here lies the problem this was a UK election not on devolved issues but what the SNP mp's would do in Westminster. Also free education is Scotland and free school meals for kids am so glad kids in Scotland will get a free meal while the Tories in England will take that away from kids. shame the kids won't be able read or write properly though, but of course that isn't as important as independence" You see what i mean you believe the media stop believing what they tell you. So you think pupils that leave primary and secondary schools wont be able to read or write I suppose next am gonna hear is people believe this shite Kezia said that 50% of kids leave school not being able to read Do yourself a favor see that £147 you give the BBC to lie to you cancel it and spent it on better things. | |||
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"Doesn't matter how much you wish indy to happen, it's not going to. You can be as angry as you want about it but it's not happening. You'll still be posting all this years from now and nothing will change. I know that must hurt but that's life. Personally, I'm over the moon. Cool thats your opinion fair enough. Will you agree though the SNP have a triple lock mandate ? Do you also agree that the pro indy movement is far bigger than any party ? " No, the triple lock was an SNP construct, it's meaningless. Their only reason for coming out with it was because they knew they were going to lose a lot of votes. If they had any confidence they'd have said 'if pro indy parties get over 50% of the vote then we have a mandate for indy ref2'. But they didn't say that for the very reason they knew it wasn't happening. It's a panic measure as they knew they'd reached their peak and things are going downhill (although no on predicted just how big a drop it would've been at this election) The pro indy movement has all fallen in line behind the SNP, with a few also voting Green. The idea that there's large amounts of pro indy supporters voting for parties who state they are definitely against an indeyref is ridiculous. Let's take Labour For Independence as an example. They're an SNP front. Their founder had to admit that in pictures with their banner it wasn't actually Labour members in the pic. He's also admitted that it was SNP members handing our LFI leaflets. He also admitted only 40% of their 80 members were in the Labour party. | |||
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"Doesn't matter how much you wish indy to happen, it's not going to. You can be as angry as you want about it but it's not happening. You'll still be posting all this years from now and nothing will change. I know that must hurt but that's life. Personally, I'm over the moon. Cool thats your opinion fair enough. Will you agree though the SNP have a triple lock mandate ? Do you also agree that the pro indy movement is far bigger than any party ? No, the triple lock was an SNP construct, it's meaningless. Their only reason for coming out with it was because they knew they were going to lose a lot of votes. If they had any confidence they'd have said 'if pro indy parties get over 50% of the vote then we have a mandate for indy ref2'. But they didn't say that for the very reason they knew it wasn't happening. It's a panic measure as they knew they'd reached their peak and things are going downhill (although no on predicted just how big a drop it would've been at this election) The pro indy movement has all fallen in line behind the SNP, with a few also voting Green. The idea that there's large amounts of pro indy supporters voting for parties who state they are definitely against an indeyref is ridiculous. Let's take Labour For Independence as an example. They're an SNP front. Their founder had to admit that in pictures with their banner it wasn't actually Labour members in the pic. He's also admitted that it was SNP members handing our LFI leaflets. He also admitted only 40% of their 80 members were in the Labour party." No ? So you dont believe the party that wins in a first past the post system has no mandate ? Yeah seen that shite on social media too about the Labour for independence claiming its all SNP people in the photos problem with that is see those photos you are on about Not one person can tell me when those photo's were taken see if you look very close you will see its SNP posters so its before 2014 as you dont see any YES St Andrews flags about. Also while we are on about Labour in Scotland how fucked up is that Kezia said pro indy supporters in Labour are free to campaign for independence then flip flop and then say no their not. Big mistake on her part to say pro indy supporters are not welcome in the Labour party. | |||
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"Clearly i think people were not listening SNP made it clear they are NOT asking for an independence referendum right now it will be when the brexit deal is known and just before the UK leave the EU to have that independence referendum to allow the Scottish voters that with a majority vote rejected brexit a choose of accepting the brexit deal or choosing independence I cant believe people are ok about denying people the right to change their minds on independence thats not democracy that a dictatorship. Dictatorship??? Its no wonder the SNP like the EU they take the same approach to votes - if they don't like the result they make you vote again and again (given that Indyref 3 has already been trailed because they know what the result of Indyref 2 is). Maybe they should get on with doing something like sorting out the mess of a Scottish Education system that they have presided over? Jesus this is worrying to see that how many do not understand when you vote for a party and their manifesto and the win the election they have a mandate to deliver on their mandate. Same old pish get on with the day job and believe the media yet here lies the problem this was a UK election not on devolved issues but what the SNP mp's would do in Westminster. Also free education is Scotland and free school meals for kids am so glad kids in Scotland will get a free meal while the Tories in England will take that away from kids. shame the kids won't be able read or write properly though, but of course that isn't as important as independence You see what i mean you believe the media stop believing what they tell you. So you think pupils that leave primary and secondary schools wont be able to read or write I suppose next am gonna hear is people believe this shite Kezia said that 50% of kids leave school not being able to read Do yourself a favor see that £147 you give the BBC to lie to you cancel it and spent it on better things. " I presume you are aware scottish schools PISA performance under the SNP? | |||
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"63% of the electorate in Scotland voted for pro Union parties who stood on a platform of No to indyref2. SNP got 35% of the vote standing on a pro-indy stance. They lost 1/3 of their votes in a mere 2 years." Are you sure? I've not done the maths but I'm not sure how you got these figures. Do you mean 1/3rd= 45% in indyref- 35% in election? If so, I'm afraid your figures are nonsense as it's not like for like. | |||
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"63% of the electorate in Scotland voted for pro Union parties who stood on a platform of No to indyref2. SNP got 35% of the vote standing on a pro-indy stance. They lost 1/3 of their votes in a mere 2 years. Are you sure? I've not done the maths but I'm not sure how you got these figures. Do you mean 1/3rd= 45% in indyref- 35% in election? If so, I'm afraid your figures are nonsense as it's not like for like." No, it's basic arithmetic. In the 2015 general election 1,454,436 people voted for the SNP. In the 2017 general election that had dropped to 977,569. As you'll clearly see, my figures arent nonsense. | |||
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" No ? So you dont believe the party that wins in a first past the post system has no mandate ? Yeah seen that shite on social media too about the Labour for independence claiming its all SNP people in the photos problem with that is see those photos you are on about Not one person can tell me when those photo's were taken see if you look very close you will see its SNP posters so its before 2014 as you dont see any YES St Andrews flags about. Also while we are on about Labour in Scotland how fucked up is that Kezia said pro indy supporters in Labour are free to campaign for independence then flip flop and then say no their not. Big mistake on her part to say pro indy supporters are not welcome in the Labour party. " I don't think you understand how this works. It was a national election, the SNP didn't win lol. The Conservatives got the biggest number of seats, followed by Labour. I haven't seen the photos, I'm only going by what Allan Grogan who was the leader of LFI, said. He admitted it. Just done a quick google search though and I see an article from the Herald. Four people holding a LFI banner and 3 of them are SNP councillors lol I don't really care what Kezia says, I only care about there never being independence. Thankfully it's getting further and further away. I'm delighted. | |||
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"Do people get the pro indy support is bigger than the SNP ? Clearly not anyone heard the Labour for independence ? Independence is not about one party its a movement. SNP is way to get there. Now the SNP have a mandate on to hold an independence referendum when the Scottish people know the final brexit deal it says alot that people wantong to deny people a right to change their minds. As for this bullshit trying to use this shite about forming all three union parties to claim Scottish voters rejected independence is embarrassing This was a first past the post system and all three ubion parties in Scotland were fucking rejected on their anti independence ticket. Its funny to watch unionists keep changing the goalposts. " I am very much encouraging Indy ref 2. If Indy was to be good in 2014 it will be great in 2018. If the UK gets a super deal ( yes I know it won't ) Is the snp going to cancel any thoughts of another Indy ref ??? So let's get on with Indy 2 and 3 !!!! | |||
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"63% of the electorate in Scotland voted for pro Union parties who stood on a platform of No to indyref2. SNP got 35% of the vote standing on a pro-indy stance. They lost 1/3 of their votes in a mere 2 years. Are you sure? I've not done the maths but I'm not sure how you got these figures. Do you mean 1/3rd= 45% in indyref- 35% in election? If so, I'm afraid your figures are nonsense as it's not like for like. No, it's basic arithmetic. In the 2015 general election 1,454,436 people voted for the SNP. In the 2017 general election that had dropped to 977,569. As you'll clearly see, my figures arent nonsense. " Think you have just proven they are. | |||
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"63% of the electorate in Scotland voted for pro Union parties who stood on a platform of No to indyref2. SNP got 35% of the vote standing on a pro-indy stance. They lost 1/3 of their votes in a mere 2 years. Are you sure? I've not done the maths but I'm not sure how you got these figures. Do you mean 1/3rd= 45% in indyref- 35% in election? If so, I'm afraid your figures are nonsense as it's not like for like. No, it's basic arithmetic. In the 2015 general election 1,454,436 people voted for the SNP. In the 2017 general election that had dropped to 977,569. As you'll clearly see, my figures arent nonsense. Think you have just proven they are. " I said they'd lost 1/3 of their votes, I've given the number of votes they won in 2015 and also 2017. This shows they lost 1/3 of their votes. It's basic arithmetic but I'll help out as you're clearly misunderstanding it. 1,454,436 (2015 votes) - 977,569 (2017 votes) = 476,867 (difference) 476,867 / 1,454,436 = 0.32787 0.32878 * 100 = 32.79% | |||
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"Clearly i think people were not listening SNP made it clear they are NOT asking for an independence referendum right now it will be when the brexit deal is known and just before the UK leave the EU to have that independence referendum to allow the Scottish voters that with a majority vote rejected brexit a choose of accepting the brexit deal or choosing independence I cant believe people are ok about denying people the right to change their minds on independence thats not democracy that a dictatorship. Dictatorship??? Its no wonder the SNP like the EU they take the same approach to votes - if they don't like the result they make you vote again and again (given that Indyref 3 has already been trailed because they know what the result of Indyref 2 is). Maybe they should get on with doing something like sorting out the mess of a Scottish Education system that they have presided over? Jesus this is worrying to see that how many do not understand when you vote for a party and their manifesto and the win the election they have a mandate to deliver on their mandate. Same old pish get on with the day job and believe the media yet here lies the problem this was a UK election not on devolved issues but what the SNP mp's would do in Westminster. Also free education is Scotland and free school meals for kids am so glad kids in Scotland will get a free meal while the Tories in England will take that away from kids. " You've clearly swallowed some main stream media pish too. Kids in England will get a free breakfast instead of lunch, so that's not taking meals away it's just swapping one meal for another. | |||
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"It's not as simplistic as that, that's my point and that's why your percentage is meaningless. You've missed out an essential bit. Go work it out. I'm not getting into an argument about it, just that I hate figures being quoted, particularly as a way of making a political point, that are wrong. " Sorry but it is as simple as that, the figures don't lie. That's people who previously voted SNP who either haven't voted for them this time, or as seems far more likely, have voted for other parties. Finally, I like to think we can have adult discussions in here but to say I've missed out a bit and go work it out just comes across as a childish way of not accepting that the figures quoted are correct. If you believe they're wrong then it should be very simple to show where. | |||
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"That was certainly some spin from Nicola Sturgeon, considering she leads a party that just lost over 37% of their seats! " Yep including former SNP leader Alex Salmond and their former leader in the House of Commons Angus Robertson. 
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"Am happy to sit back and watch the shit unfold of what the the people in the UK have just done by letting the Tories in with a weak minority government propped up by utter pricks yeah thats the DUP Let that sink in the Tories propped up with the DUP thats what people will have for the next 5 years So Labour and the SNP and other parties was a coalition of chaos and people thought that was bad but my god people seem fine to accept the Tories and DUP go fucking figure. Well i hope your all happy with your new UK government and who they have choose to get them over the line the Tories and DUP are all a bunch of utter fucking dickheads!!! or its not too late to change your minds and end the unequal UK union and live in a Scotland free of these Tory /DUP dickheads" Over the moon with a Tory/DUP coalition. Bring it on. | |||
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"Clearly i think people were not listening SNP made it clear they are NOT asking for an independence referendum right now it will be when the brexit deal is known and just before the UK leave the EU to have that independence referendum to allow the Scottish voters that with a majority vote rejected brexit a choose of accepting the brexit deal or choosing independence I cant believe people are ok about denying people the right to change their minds on independence thats not democracy that a dictatorship. Dictatorship??? Its no wonder the SNP like the EU they take the same approach to votes - if they don't like the result they make you vote again and again (given that Indyref 3 has already been trailed because they know what the result of Indyref 2 is). Maybe they should get on with doing something like sorting out the mess of a Scottish Education system that they have presided over? Jesus this is worrying to see that how many do not understand when you vote for a party and their manifesto and the win the election they have a mandate to deliver on their mandate. Same old pish get on with the day job and believe the media yet here lies the problem this was a UK election not on devolved issues but what the SNP mp's would do in Westminster. Also free education is Scotland and free school meals for kids am so glad kids in Scotland will get a free meal while the Tories in England will take that away from kids. You've clearly swallowed some main stream media pish too. Kids in England will get a free breakfast instead of lunch, so that's not taking meals away it's just swapping one meal for another. " So you think taking away a free meal for their lunch is ok then ? I dont know about you but i call that sort of thing sick as fuck. Must be happy with the Tories and the DUP ah ? Remember what the DUP oppose ? The UK is becoming one big fucking sick bastard place to stay but soon enough Scotland will wave goodbye. | |||
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"Clearly i think people were not listening SNP made it clear they are NOT asking for an independence referendum right now it will be when the brexit deal is known and just before the UK leave the EU to have that independence referendum to allow the Scottish voters that with a majority vote rejected brexit a choose of accepting the brexit deal or choosing independence I cant believe people are ok about denying people the right to change their minds on independence thats not democracy that a dictatorship. Dictatorship??? Its no wonder the SNP like the EU they take the same approach to votes - if they don't like the result they make you vote again and again (given that Indyref 3 has already been trailed because they know what the result of Indyref 2 is). Maybe they should get on with doing something like sorting out the mess of a Scottish Education system that they have presided over? Jesus this is worrying to see that how many do not understand when you vote for a party and their manifesto and the win the election they have a mandate to deliver on their mandate. Same old pish get on with the day job and believe the media yet here lies the problem this was a UK election not on devolved issues but what the SNP mp's would do in Westminster. Also free education is Scotland and free school meals for kids am so glad kids in Scotland will get a free meal while the Tories in England will take that away from kids. You've clearly swallowed some main stream media pish too. Kids in England will get a free breakfast instead of lunch, so that's not taking meals away it's just swapping one meal for another. So you think taking away a free meal for their lunch is ok then ? I dont know about you but i call that sort of thing sick as fuck. Must be happy with the Tories and the DUP ah ? Remember what the DUP oppose ? The UK is becoming one big fucking sick bastard place to stay but soon enough Scotland will wave goodbye. " As I just said it's not taking meals away it's swapping one meal for another, kids in England get a free school breakfast. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day so I'm very happy with the policy. | |||
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"Am happy to sit back and watch the shit unfold of what the the people in the UK have just done by letting the Tories in with a weak minority government propped up by utter pricks yeah thats the DUP Let that sink in the Tories propped up with the DUP thats what people will have for the next 5 years So Labour and the SNP and other parties was a coalition of chaos and people thought that was bad but my god people seem fine to accept the Tories and DUP go fucking figure. Well i hope your all happy with your new UK government and who they have choose to get them over the line the Tories and DUP are all a bunch of utter fucking dickheads!!! or its not too late to change your minds and end the unequal UK union and live in a Scotland free of these Tory /DUP dickheads Over the moon with a Tory/DUP coalition. Bring it on. "Yeah figured that must be ok with there views on equal marriage and abortion rights or how about there stance on hard border with the Republic which prob would lead to the good Friday agreement going. | |||
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"It's not as simplistic as that, that's my point and that's why your percentage is meaningless. You've missed out an essential bit. Go work it out. I'm not getting into an argument about it, just that I hate figures being quoted, particularly as a way of making a political point, that are wrong. Sorry but it is as simple as that, the figures don't lie. That's people who previously voted SNP who either haven't voted for them this time, or as seems far more likely, have voted for other parties. Finally, I like to think we can have adult discussions in here but to say I've missed out a bit and go work it out just comes across as a childish way of not accepting that the figures quoted are correct. If you believe they're wrong then it should be very simple to show where." Okay I'll explain because either you have no idea about statistics or you're simply too lazy to think about it. The reason why you can't use your figures and why they are meaningless, is you are failing to take account of turnout. Now, I have no idea what the Scottish turnout was- it doesn't seem to be made available yet- but not having factored that in to your calculation, makes them meaningless. I hope you understand now. That percentage may go up, down or stay the same but as you calculate them at present, they are wrong. | |||
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"Clearly i think people were not listening SNP made it clear they are NOT asking for an independence referendum right now it will be when the brexit deal is known and just before the UK leave the EU to have that independence referendum to allow the Scottish voters that with a majority vote rejected brexit a choose of accepting the brexit deal or choosing independence I cant believe people are ok about denying people the right to change their minds on independence thats not democracy that a dictatorship. Dictatorship??? Its no wonder the SNP like the EU they take the same approach to votes - if they don't like the result they make you vote again and again (given that Indyref 3 has already been trailed because they know what the result of Indyref 2 is). Maybe they should get on with doing something like sorting out the mess of a Scottish Education system that they have presided over? Jesus this is worrying to see that how many do not understand when you vote for a party and their manifesto and the win the election they have a mandate to deliver on their mandate. Same old pish get on with the day job and believe the media yet here lies the problem this was a UK election not on devolved issues but what the SNP mp's would do in Westminster. Also free education is Scotland and free school meals for kids am so glad kids in Scotland will get a free meal while the Tories in England will take that away from kids. You've clearly swallowed some main stream media pish too. Kids in England will get a free breakfast instead of lunch, so that's not taking meals away it's just swapping one meal for another. So you think taking away a free meal for their lunch is ok then ? I dont know about you but i call that sort of thing sick as fuck. Must be happy with the Tories and the DUP ah ? Remember what the DUP oppose ? The UK is becoming one big fucking sick bastard place to stay but soon enough Scotland will wave goodbye. As I just said it's not taking meals away it's swapping one meal for another, kids in England get a free school breakfast. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day so I'm very happy with the policy. " No no all i see is sick bastards taking away free meals for kids whats so wrong about giving kids two meals ? Nah its all about saving fucking money again sick fucks | |||
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"It's not as simplistic as that, that's my point and that's why your percentage is meaningless. You've missed out an essential bit. Go work it out. I'm not getting into an argument about it, just that I hate figures being quoted, particularly as a way of making a political point, that are wrong. Sorry but it is as simple as that, the figures don't lie. That's people who previously voted SNP who either haven't voted for them this time, or as seems far more likely, have voted for other parties. Finally, I like to think we can have adult discussions in here but to say I've missed out a bit and go work it out just comes across as a childish way of not accepting that the figures quoted are correct. If you believe they're wrong then it should be very simple to show where. Okay I'll explain because either you have no idea about statistics or you're simply too lazy to think about it. The reason why you can't use your figures and why they are meaningless, is you are failing to take account of turnout. Now, I have no idea what the Scottish turnout was- it doesn't seem to be made available yet- but not having factored that in to your calculation, makes them meaningless. I hope you understand now. That percentage may go up, down or stay the same but as you calculate them at present, they are wrong." We know the turnout and we also know the share of the vote. If you want me to phrase it another way using the % of the vote share then it only gets worse for you I'm afraid. Calculating that way means a drop of 35.5% | |||
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"I can't find the Scottish turnout details anywhere but maybe you now get point. You were assuming exactly the same number of people voted last time as this. This would not be the case, obviously. That is what made your figures wrong and meaningless. I'm glad you finally understand." You should stop digging. My original figure pointed out the number of votes the SNP received was down 1/3 and I also pointed out that this could mean people either voting for other parties or just not voting for them anymore (turnout doesn't come into this calculation). If you want to strip it down to the % share of the vote again it shows they lost 1/3 of their share (just slightly over this). None of this is difficult to understand. If you want to show a calculation that gives a different result (and I'm pretty sure you can't) then it's easy to post it here. Ultimately this all caomes back to the same thing though, they lost 1/3 of the voters from last time and 1/3 of the vote share. Thankfully I had my education before the SNP came to power so I'm able to do these calculations | |||
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"The SNP have a triple lock mandate on the existing mandate on the Holyrood vote that was a democratic vote to allow a new independence referendum while the Tories have fuck all mandate. I know people will disagree with that but what your saying is you dont like the "First past the post" system because it doesnt suit the pro union agenda so once again the goal posts move to save a fucked up unequal UK. The people that voted Tory in Scotland should be ashamed of themselves. " its politics in a democratic system, you clearly don't like it but speaking in terms of shame for those who don't share your views is not the way.. | |||
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"Clearly i think people were not listening SNP made it clear they are NOT asking for an independence referendum right now it will be when the brexit deal is known and just before the UK leave the EU to have that independence referendum to allow the Scottish voters that with a majority vote rejected brexit a choose of accepting the brexit deal or choosing independence I cant believe people are ok about denying people the right to change their minds on independence thats not democracy that a dictatorship. Dictatorship??? Its no wonder the SNP like the EU they take the same approach to votes - if they don't like the result they make you vote again and again (given that Indyref 3 has already been trailed because they know what the result of Indyref 2 is). Maybe they should get on with doing something like sorting out the mess of a Scottish Education system that they have presided over? Jesus this is worrying to see that how many do not understand when you vote for a party and their manifesto and the win the election they have a mandate to deliver on their mandate. Same old pish get on with the day job and believe the media yet here lies the problem this was a UK election not on devolved issues but what the SNP mp's would do in Westminster. Also free education is Scotland and free school meals for kids am so glad kids in Scotland will get a free meal while the Tories in England will take that away from kids. You've clearly swallowed some main stream media pish too. Kids in England will get a free breakfast instead of lunch, so that's not taking meals away it's just swapping one meal for another. So you think taking away a free meal for their lunch is ok then ? I dont know about you but i call that sort of thing sick as fuck. Must be happy with the Tories and the DUP ah ? Remember what the DUP oppose ? The UK is becoming one big fucking sick bastard place to stay but soon enough Scotland will wave goodbye. As I just said it's not taking meals away it's swapping one meal for another, kids in England get a free school breakfast. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day so I'm very happy with the policy. " then you are on this point fiscally and or nutritionally naive Centaur.. 6.8 pence per meal..? | |||
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"then you are on this point fiscally and or nutritionally naive Centaur.. 6.8 pence per meal..?" "Stop being greedy little Timmy, you can have butter on your toast or you can have jam BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH!!" | |||
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"then you are on this point fiscally and or nutritionally naive Centaur.. 6.8 pence per meal..? "Stop being greedy little Timmy, you can have butter on your toast or you can have jam BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH!!"" Let them eat gruel.. from some multi millionaires.. eating subsidised lunches in the Palace of Westminster.. | |||
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"I can't find the Scottish turnout details anywhere but maybe you now get point. You were assuming exactly the same number of people voted last time as this. This would not be the case, obviously. That is what made your figures wrong and meaningless. I'm glad you finally understand. You should stop digging. My original figure pointed out the number of votes the SNP received was down 1/3 and I also pointed out that this could mean people either voting for other parties or just not voting for them anymore (turnout doesn't come into this calculation). If you want to strip it down to the % share of the vote again it shows they lost 1/3 of their share (just slightly over this). None of this is difficult to understand. If you want to show a calculation that gives a different result (and I'm pretty sure you can't) then it's easy to post it here. Ultimately this all caomes back to the same thing though, they lost 1/3 of the voters from last time and 1/3 of the vote share. Thankfully I had my education before the SNP came to power so I'm able to do these calculations "Obviously, education does not necessarily come with mathematical intelligence. And for your next set of figures to be correct, the Scottish turnout would have had to be greater than last time, and this I doubt (and can't find published anywhere). I don't care if the true figure is less or more; as I said, it's passing off nonsensical statistics as facts that annoys me. | |||
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"I can't find the Scottish turnout details anywhere but maybe you now get point. You were assuming exactly the same number of people voted last time as this. This would not be the case, obviously. That is what made your figures wrong and meaningless. I'm glad you finally understand." This doesn't make sense, that isn't the way you calculate these things. You look at the percentage of the vote share or you can look at the raw figures in terms of votes. Both of these will accurately tell the story. If you look at calculations done during elections it's all calculated on the basis of the vote, not those who didn't vote. | |||
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"It will become clearly sooner or later for people Are people really going to be ok with a minority Tory government propped up with the DUP Remember the DUP ? Thats the party that is against - equal marriage, opposes basic abortion rights, rejects the concept of evolution and intends to demand as part of its price a hard Brexit, including a hard border with the Republic that pretty much everyone on all sides agrees risks the good Friday agreement. I wonder how many Scottish voters will just accept that for the next 5 years and accept those pricks taking Scotland out of the EU to then fucking up Scotland as well as the rest of the UK but ah it doesnt matter its the UK union at any cost. " As opposed to an even more minority Labour government??? Come on despite what he might claim Labour did not win! | |||
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"Clearly i think people were not listening SNP made it clear they are NOT asking for an independence referendum right now it will be when the brexit deal is known and just before the UK leave the EU to have that independence referendum to allow the Scottish voters that with a majority vote rejected brexit a choose of accepting the brexit deal or choosing independence I cant believe people are ok about denying people the right to change their minds on independence thats not democracy that a dictatorship. Dictatorship??? Its no wonder the SNP like the EU they take the same approach to votes - if they don't like the result they make you vote again and again (given that Indyref 3 has already been trailed because they know what the result of Indyref 2 is). Maybe they should get on with doing something like sorting out the mess of a Scottish Education system that they have presided over? Jesus this is worrying to see that how many do not understand when you vote for a party and their manifesto and the win the election they have a mandate to deliver on their mandate. Same old pish get on with the day job and believe the media yet here lies the problem this was a UK election not on devolved issues but what the SNP mp's would do in Westminster. Also free education is Scotland and free school meals for kids am so glad kids in Scotland will get a free meal while the Tories in England will take that away from kids. shame the kids won't be able read or write properly though, but of course that isn't as important as independence You see what i mean you believe the media stop believing what they tell you. So you think pupils that leave primary and secondary schools wont be able to read or write I suppose next am gonna hear is people believe this shite Kezia said that 50% of kids leave school not being able to read Do yourself a favor see that £147 you give the BBC to lie to you cancel it and spent it on better things. I presume you are aware scottish schools PISA performance under the SNP?" Funny how you go quiet when face by independent facts! | |||
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" I don't care if the true figure is less or more; as I said, it's passing off nonsensical statistics as facts that annoys me. Sorry if it's all beyond you but the figures are there for others to see and decide where the nonsense is here. I'm happy for anyone to show calculations that are different. Trying to ignore them becuase you don't like them isn't going to change anything though. There's a lot of disbelief and shock at just how bad a result that was for the nats today so it's unsurprising that some don't want to accept the reality." What was the Scottish turnout? Despite me explaining several times, I'm not making a political point. The only point I'm making is that your figures were wrong. They still are, if, instead of the Scottish turnout figures, you used the UK turnout. I'm sure everyone else will get the gist by now about your figures so there is no point pursuing this. | |||
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" I don't care if the true figure is less or more; as I said, it's passing off nonsensical statistics as facts that annoys me. Sorry if it's all beyond you but the figures are there for others to see and decide where the nonsense is here. I'm happy for anyone to show calculations that are different. Trying to ignore them becuase you don't like them isn't going to change anything though. There's a lot of disbelief and shock at just how bad a result that was for the nats today so it's unsurprising that some don't want to accept the reality. What was the Scottish turnout? Despite me explaining several times, I'm not making a political point. The only point I'm making is that your figures were wrong. They still are, if, instead of the Scottish turnout figures, you used the UK turnout. I'm sure everyone else will get the gist by now about your figures so there is no point pursuing this. " The turnout is not relevant! | |||
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"Scotland is part of the UK. I voted for labour and they didn't win I don't like the results but it has happened Scotland is not facing this shit alone the whole of the UK is. All I see from the same op is thinking some how Scotland is different to the rest of UK it's not. A lot of seats has been taken from the snp that shows Scottish people apart from your self don't want to leave the UK " Ah right so lets just let Scotland suffer under the Tories and DUP eh when Scotland again rejected the Tories how many more times before people finally get it. Again SNP is NOT independence and independence is NOT SNP. The SNP have a mandate they won the Scottish election in 2016 and now the UK election they won in Scotland and now have a triple lock mandate on to allow an independence referendum when the brexit deal is known its really not hard to work out but i get it the pro union side love moving the goalposts I wonder how many people in Scotland will love the Tories and DUP running the UK. Scotland people have the right to choose their own future and you cannot deny people the right to choose if they want independence or not | |||
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"Scotland is part of the UK. I voted for labour and they didn't win I don't like the results but it has happened Scotland is not facing this shit alone the whole of the UK is. All I see from the same op is thinking some how Scotland is different to the rest of UK it's not. A lot of seats has been taken from the snp that shows Scottish people apart from your self don't want to leave the UK Ah right so lets just let Scotland suffer under the Tories and DUP eh when Scotland again rejected the Tories how many more times before people finally get it. Again SNP is NOT independence and independence is NOT SNP. The SNP have a mandate they won the Scottish election in 2016 and now the UK election they won in Scotland and now have a triple lock mandate on to allow an independence referendum when the brexit deal is known its really not hard to work out but i get it the pro union side love moving the goalposts I wonder how many people in Scotland will love the Tories and DUP running the UK. Scotland people have the right to choose their own future and you cannot deny people the right to choose if they want independence or not" 63% of Scottish voters rejected the SNP. | |||
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"Scotland is part of the UK. I voted for labour and they didn't win I don't like the results but it has happened Scotland is not facing this shit alone the whole of the UK is. All I see from the same op is thinking some how Scotland is different to the rest of UK it's not. A lot of seats has been taken from the snp that shows Scottish people apart from your self don't want to leave the UK Ah right so lets just let Scotland suffer under the Tories and DUP eh when Scotland again rejected the Tories how many more times before people finally get it. Again SNP is NOT independence and independence is NOT SNP. The SNP have a mandate they won the Scottish election in 2016 and now the UK election they won in Scotland and now have a triple lock mandate on to allow an independence referendum when the brexit deal is known its really not hard to work out but i get it the pro union side love moving the goalposts I wonder how many people in Scotland will love the Tories and DUP running the UK. Scotland people have the right to choose their own future and you cannot deny people the right to choose if they want independence or not" Yes don't deny the English a vote in Scottish independence vote - guarantee you will get what you want then! | |||
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"Scotland is part of the UK. I voted for labour and they didn't win I don't like the results but it has happened Scotland is not facing this shit alone the whole of the UK is. All I see from the same op is thinking some how Scotland is different to the rest of UK it's not. A lot of seats has been taken from the snp that shows Scottish people apart from your self don't want to leave the UK Ah right so lets just let Scotland suffer under the Tories and DUP eh when Scotland again rejected the Tories how many more times before people finally get it. Again SNP is NOT independence and independence is NOT SNP. The SNP have a mandate they won the Scottish election in 2016 and now the UK election they won in Scotland and now have a triple lock mandate on to allow an independence referendum when the brexit deal is known its really not hard to work out but i get it the pro union side love moving the goalposts I wonder how many people in Scotland will love the Tories and DUP running the UK. Scotland people have the right to choose their own future and you cannot deny people the right to choose if they want independence or not 63% of Scottish voters rejected the SNP. " No no your using the tactic of trying to lump of the unionist parties together problem with that is again this election was on a first past the post system and the SNP won 35 seats out of 59 i dont know about you but that is called a taking a majority of Scottish seats therefore winning the election in Scotland giving the SNP a mandate and also rejecting all the unionist parties and their anti independence shite. If you have a problem with the first past the post system get onto your MP to tell them you dont like it funny how before all this SNP success none seemd bothered but then SNP get elected and no the moaning starts. Now how about telling us how much of the vote the Scottish Tories Scottish Labour and Scottish Lib Dems got each instead of trying to lump there votes together as you know full well thats not how it works | |||
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"Clearly i think people were not listening SNP made it clear they are NOT asking for an independence referendum right now it will be when the brexit deal is known and just before the UK leave the EU to have that independence referendum to allow the Scottish voters that with a majority vote rejected brexit a choose of accepting the brexit deal or choosing independence I cant believe people are ok about denying people the right to change their minds on independence thats not democracy that a dictatorship. Dictatorship??? Its no wonder the SNP like the EU they take the same approach to votes - if they don't like the result they make you vote again and again (given that Indyref 3 has already been trailed because they know what the result of Indyref 2 is). Maybe they should get on with doing something like sorting out the mess of a Scottish Education system that they have presided over? Jesus this is worrying to see that how many do not understand when you vote for a party and their manifesto and the win the election they have a mandate to deliver on their mandate. Same old pish get on with the day job and believe the media yet here lies the problem this was a UK election not on devolved issues but what the SNP mp's would do in Westminster. Also free education is Scotland and free school meals for kids am so glad kids in Scotland will get a free meal while the Tories in England will take that away from kids. You've clearly swallowed some main stream media pish too. Kids in England will get a free breakfast instead of lunch, so that's not taking meals away it's just swapping one meal for another. So you think taking away a free meal for their lunch is ok then ? I dont know about you but i call that sort of thing sick as fuck. Must be happy with the Tories and the DUP ah ? Remember what the DUP oppose ? The UK is becoming one big fucking sick bastard place to stay but soon enough Scotland will wave goodbye. " You are so fucking deluded. And very bitter today  I voted Conservative, always have. I am in Banff and Buchan and for the first time in my voting life, I got the candidate I voted for. This part of Scotland has been staunch SNP as long as I can remember. I even said to my dad after I voted, was probably a wasted vote as SNP always win. So imagine my surprise when they did not win. I am delighted to see people finally waking up to the SNP's nonsense. And you can rant all you like on here. Scotland will be part of the Union long after you have lost your voice... | |||
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"Clearly i think people were not listening SNP made it clear they are NOT asking for an independence referendum right now it will be when the brexit deal is known and just before the UK leave the EU to have that independence referendum to allow the Scottish voters that with a majority vote rejected brexit a choose of accepting the brexit deal or choosing independence I cant believe people are ok about denying people the right to change their minds on independence thats not democracy that a dictatorship. Dictatorship??? Its no wonder the SNP like the EU they take the same approach to votes - if they don't like the result they make you vote again and again (given that Indyref 3 has already been trailed because they know what the result of Indyref 2 is). Maybe they should get on with doing something like sorting out the mess of a Scottish Education system that they have presided over? Jesus this is worrying to see that how many do not understand when you vote for a party and their manifesto and the win the election they have a mandate to deliver on their mandate. Same old pish get on with the day job and believe the media yet here lies the problem this was a UK election not on devolved issues but what the SNP mp's would do in Westminster. Also free education is Scotland and free school meals for kids am so glad kids in Scotland will get a free meal while the Tories in England will take that away from kids. You've clearly swallowed some main stream media pish too. Kids in England will get a free breakfast instead of lunch, so that's not taking meals away it's just swapping one meal for another. So you think taking away a free meal for their lunch is ok then ? I dont know about you but i call that sort of thing sick as fuck. Must be happy with the Tories and the DUP ah ? Remember what the DUP oppose ? The UK is becoming one big fucking sick bastard place to stay but soon enough Scotland will wave goodbye. You are so fucking deluded. And very bitter today I voted Conservative, always have. I am in Banff and Buchan and for the first time in my voting life, I got the candidate I voted for. This part of Scotland has been staunch SNP as long as I can remember. I even said to my dad after I voted, was probably a wasted vote as SNP always win. So imagine my surprise when they did not win. I am delighted to see people finally waking up to the SNP's nonsense. And you can rant all you like on here. Scotland will be part of the Union long after you have lost your voice..."They're very delusional and angry today | |||
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"Clearly i think people were not listening SNP made it clear they are NOT asking for an independence referendum right now it will be when the brexit deal is known and just before the UK leave the EU to have that independence referendum to allow the Scottish voters that with a majority vote rejected brexit a choose of accepting the brexit deal or choosing independence I cant believe people are ok about denying people the right to change their minds on independence thats not democracy that a dictatorship. Dictatorship??? Its no wonder the SNP like the EU they take the same approach to votes - if they don't like the result they make you vote again and again (given that Indyref 3 has already been trailed because they know what the result of Indyref 2 is). Maybe they should get on with doing something like sorting out the mess of a Scottish Education system that they have presided over? Jesus this is worrying to see that how many do not understand when you vote for a party and their manifesto and the win the election they have a mandate to deliver on their mandate. Same old pish get on with the day job and believe the media yet here lies the problem this was a UK election not on devolved issues but what the SNP mp's would do in Westminster. Also free education is Scotland and free school meals for kids am so glad kids in Scotland will get a free meal while the Tories in England will take that away from kids. You've clearly swallowed some main stream media pish too. Kids in England will get a free breakfast instead of lunch, so that's not taking meals away it's just swapping one meal for another. So you think taking away a free meal for their lunch is ok then ? I dont know about you but i call that sort of thing sick as fuck. Must be happy with the Tories and the DUP ah ? Remember what the DUP oppose ? The UK is becoming one big fucking sick bastard place to stay but soon enough Scotland will wave goodbye. You are so fucking deluded. And very bitter today I voted Conservative, always have. I am in Banff and Buchan and for the first time in my voting life, I got the candidate I voted for. This part of Scotland has been staunch SNP as long as I can remember. I even said to my dad after I voted, was probably a wasted vote as SNP always win. So imagine my surprise when they did not win. I am delighted to see people finally waking up to the SNP's nonsense. And you can rant all you like on here. Scotland will be part of the Union long after you have lost your voice...
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"The people that voted Tory in Scotland should be ashamed of themselves. " Why? Because they disagree with your views? Because they support a party that you oppose? Perhaps you should consider that every single person in this land has the right to vote for whom they choose and for the party whose policies they support. Perhaps instead the person who really should be ashamed of herself is Nicola Sturgeon for continuing to bang on about a second Independence referendum which it is clear, the majority of Scots simply do not want and for the fact that she clearly does not accept, nor understand how democracy works. | |||
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"The people that voted Tory in Scotland should be ashamed of themselves. Why? Because they disagree with your views? Because they support a party that you oppose? Perhaps you should consider that every single person in this land has the right to vote for whom they choose and for the party whose policies they support. Perhaps instead the person who really should be ashamed of herself is Nicola Sturgeon for continuing to bang on about a second Independence referendum which it is clear, the majority of Scots simply do not want and for the fact that she clearly does not accept, nor understand how democracy works." Why ? So punishing the poor ? Is something to be proud of then ? Also another poll was done not long ago its been sitting pretty much neck and neck for months now. If it is true the majority dont want it then why are the union parties so afraid of allowing one since they seem to think Scotland dont want it. They win and it will be alot hardefor the yes side. Scotland rejected the anti independence pish from the unionists and the SNP won and have a mandate. | |||
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"4 words.... dead in the water!................ i think what this shows sturgeon is that there is absolutely no appitite for indyref2, it might be a big one for SNP activists.. but out there in the general population this was the backlash..... it wasn't the snp's night.... so rather than lashing out, just chalk this one up as a "L".... learn from it and move on..." Not really dead in the water remember the SNP are not asking for one right now but when the brexit deal is known which SNP have a triple lock mandate for Its funny to see the amount of people that dont respect that a party that wad voted by the people and those people gave that party a mandate Its very much alive all its done is made sure its a straight out pro indy vs UK union in Scotland | |||
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"Of course the turnout is relevant. Simple. The actual figure, according to the BBC no less, is 13.1% down. Nowhere near 35%. And can I just point out, there are no SNP candidates in Hampshire. Had I a vote, I would have gone for the tory because of her local policies and I'm delighted she was voted in so she can continue her good work. " 13% is the reduction in the SNPs share of the overall vote. The other poster is merely stating the reduction in the total numbers voting SNP. The total number of voters was down by 9% so the fall in the SNPs share was way above that figure. There were 260770 fewer votes cast than in 2015 but the SNP received 476867 fewer votes. Even if all the voters who didn't turn out yesterday were SNP voters who voted in 2015, It means that at least 216097 (15%) of voters who voted SNP in 2015 voted for other parties last night. | |||
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"Of course the turnout is relevant. Simple. The actual figure, according to the BBC no less, is 13.1% down. Nowhere near 35%. And can I just point out, there are no SNP candidates in Hampshire. Had I a vote, I would have gone for the tory because of her local policies and I'm delighted she was voted in so she can continue her good work. " Can you show any site that calculates the change in vote share based on turnout? | |||
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"Feeling smug that i called this election correctly......I also believe that this will be that last time the SNP will be the largest Scottish party at a General election..Thay have hit a dead end as there lack of good governance has been a factor,.....They will claim it was all an anti Indy2 protest vote, but we know that is not the truth dont we Nicola "Smug about letting in the Tories i wouldnt be proud of that. I would love to know how people feel about having yet another Tory government with the help of the DUP Says alot about the way people were thinking voting to stop the SNP but quite happy to let in the Tories when Scotland keeps on rejecting them | |||
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"Feeling smug that i called this election correctly......I also believe that this will be that last time the SNP will be the largest Scottish party at a General election..Thay have hit a dead end as there lack of good governance has been a factor,.....They will claim it was all an anti Indy2 protest vote, but we know that is not the truth dont we Nicola
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"4 words.... dead in the water!................ i think what this shows sturgeon is that there is absolutely no appitite for indyref2, it might be a big one for SNP activists.. but out there in the general population this was the backlash..... it wasn't the snp's night.... so rather than lashing out, just chalk this one up as a "L".... learn from it and move on..." Keep sucking up the unionist and msm propaganda. This was not a vote on the mandate for indyref 2 - that was part of the manifesto for the last Holyrood election, which the SNP won - as they did again with yesterday's GE. | |||
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"4 words.... dead in the water!................ i think what this shows sturgeon is that there is absolutely no appitite for indyref2, it might be a big one for SNP activists.. but out there in the general population this was the backlash..... it wasn't the snp's night.... so rather than lashing out, just chalk this one up as a "L".... learn from it and move on... Keep sucking up the unionist and msm propaganda. This was not a vote on the mandate for indyref 2 - that was part of the manifesto for the last Holyrood election, which the SNP won - as they did again with yesterday's GE." I think you will find the Tories won yesterdays GE. Followed by Labour... | |||
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"4 words.... dead in the water!................ i think what this shows sturgeon is that there is absolutely no appitite for indyref2, it might be a big one for SNP activists.. but out there in the general population this was the backlash..... it wasn't the snp's night.... so rather than lashing out, just chalk this one up as a "L".... learn from it and move on... Keep sucking up the unionist and msm propaganda. This was not a vote on the mandate for indyref 2 - that was part of the manifesto for the last Holyrood election, which the SNP won - as they did again with yesterday's GE. I think you will find the Tories won yesterdays GE. Followed by Labour... " The SNP won in Scotland there is 59 Scottish seats and SNP WON 35 that is a majority of Scottish seats and there is their mandate on the triple lock it. | |||
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"4 words.... dead in the water!................ i think what this shows sturgeon is that there is absolutely no appitite for indyref2, it might be a big one for SNP activists.. but out there in the general population this was the backlash..... it wasn't the snp's night.... so rather than lashing out, just chalk this one up as a "L".... learn from it and move on... Keep sucking up the unionist and msm propaganda. This was not a vote on the mandate for indyref 2 - that was part of the manifesto for the last Holyrood election, which the SNP won - as they did again with yesterday's GE. I think you will find the Tories won yesterdays GE. Followed by Labour... " Not in my country, they didn't | |||
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"4 words.... dead in the water!................ i think what this shows sturgeon is that there is absolutely no appitite for indyref2, it might be a big one for SNP activists.. but out there in the general population this was the backlash..... it wasn't the snp's night.... so rather than lashing out, just chalk this one up as a "L".... learn from it and move on... Keep sucking up the unionist and msm propaganda. This was not a vote on the mandate for indyref 2 - that was part of the manifesto for the last Holyrood election, which the SNP won - as they did again with yesterday's GE. I think you will find the Tories won yesterdays GE. Followed by Labour... The SNP won in Scotland there is 59 Scottish seats and SNP WON 35 that is a majority of Scottish seats and there is their mandate on the triple lock it. " No such thing as "won in Scotland". It was a UK election. And how many times are you going to parrot that "triple lock mandate" bullshit... we heard you the first time. And the 52nd time. Constantly repeating it is not going to change minds. But I guess for you it's easier than accepting your dream is sliding further away each day  | |||
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"Totally agree with the poster,sick fed up with Scotland being governed by tories." The ones to blame for that are kezia dugdale and scottish labour who told there members to vote tory in marginal seats and actually backfired as it stopped labour from getting into power seems karma is real lol | |||
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"4 words.... dead in the water!................ i think what this shows sturgeon is that there is absolutely no appitite for indyref2, it might be a big one for SNP activists.. but out there in the general population this was the backlash..... it wasn't the snp's night.... so rather than lashing out, just chalk this one up as a "L".... learn from it and move on... Keep sucking up the unionist and msm propaganda. This was not a vote on the mandate for indyref 2 - that was part of the manifesto for the last Holyrood election, which the SNP won - as they did again with yesterday's GE. I think you will find the Tories won yesterdays GE. Followed by Labour... The SNP won in Scotland there is 59 Scottish seats and SNP WON 35 that is a majority of Scottish seats and there is their mandate on the triple lock it. No such thing as "won in Scotland". It was a UK election. And how many times are you going to parrot that "triple lock mandate" bullshit... we heard you the first time. And the 52nd time. Constantly repeating it is not going to change minds. But I guess for you it's easier than accepting your dream is sliding further away each day "Yes it was a UK election that 59 Scottish seats were up for grabs and SNP won 35 which would mean the have the majority of Scottish seats in Westminster So the won in Scotland. Also the unionist parties were rejected in Scotland and have fuck all mandate | |||
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"4 words.... dead in the water!................ i think what this shows sturgeon is that there is absolutely no appitite for indyref2, it might be a big one for SNP activists.. but out there in the general population this was the backlash..... it wasn't the snp's night.... so rather than lashing out, just chalk this one up as a "L".... learn from it and move on... Keep sucking up the unionist and msm propaganda. This was not a vote on the mandate for indyref 2 - that was part of the manifesto for the last Holyrood election, which the SNP won - as they did again with yesterday's GE. I think you will find the Tories won yesterdays GE. Followed by Labour... The SNP won in Scotland there is 59 Scottish seats and SNP WON 35 that is a majority of Scottish seats and there is their mandate on the triple lock it. No such thing as "won in Scotland". It was a UK election. And how many times are you going to parrot that "triple lock mandate" bullshit... we heard you the first time. And the 52nd time. Constantly repeating it is not going to change minds. But I guess for you it's easier than accepting your dream is sliding further away each day "Exactly. A UK election which had nothing to do with independence. The only parties who dishonestly portrayed this election as having anything to do with indyref 2 are the "North British" unionist parties with their divided loyalties and lack of policies. Happily supported by the BBC and the press, of course. By 11pm, before even one result had been declared, the BBC team of union jock "reporters" was surmising that the results would leave the independence question "dead in the water", as both you and they termed it. Well, dream on. The SNP may have been out-manoeuvred in the GE on the narrative - but then, the MSM will always be hostile to independence - but the issue of independence remains as live as ever and will be until it is achieved. Perhaps the post-election review by the SNP will persuade them that, faced with an all-powerful London establishment which will always fight dirty, they need to be more forceful. Corbyn's success has demonstrated that there is an appetite for a bolder narrative than that which conventional political wisdom previously favoured. The SNP should abandon its strategic sops to the "centre ground" such as membership of NATO and retention of the monarchy. The political book of received wisdom has been torn up and this is a time for bold policies and not allowing the unionists to write the agenda and narrative. This election demonstrates that the unionists will always put aside party political principles and climb into bed with one another in order to frustrate Scottish self-determination. The pro-independence movement is opposed by dishonest and ruthless special interests and these scoundrels need to be called out for their behaviour, on a regular basis. | |||
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" Yes it was a UK election that 59 Scottish seats were up for grabs and SNP won 35 which would mean the have the majority of Scottish seats in Westminster So the won in Scotland. Also the unionist parties were rejected in Scotland and have fuck all mandate " But the eu vote was a single nationwide vote yet NS claims that because the votes cast in the scottish area were higher for remain that means scotland wanted to stay, fair enough, but by the same token those areas that voted lab or con in the general election certainly didnt reject the unionist parties they elected mp's from them, so yes in those areas they have a mandate, sorry but you cant have your cake and eat it, and its totally disrespectful to those voters who voted for other parties to dismiss their democratic voice, isnt that what NS keeps on about, just another hypocrit | |||
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" Yes it was a UK election that 59 Scottish seats were up for grabs and SNP won 35 which would mean the have the majority of Scottish seats in Westminster So the won in Scotland. Also the unionist parties were rejected in Scotland and have fuck all mandate But the eu vote was a single nationwide vote yet NS claims that because the votes cast in the scottish area were higher for remain that means scotland wanted to stay, fair enough, but by the same token those areas that voted lab or con in the general election certainly didnt reject the unionist parties they elected mp's from them, so yes in those areas they have a mandate, sorry but you cant have your cake and eat it, and its totally disrespectful to those voters who voted for other parties to dismiss their democratic voice, isnt that what NS keeps on about, just another hypocrit" The unionist parties in Scotland got just over 60% of the vote in the general election. Pro union parties won the popular vote. Transfer that to a referendum scenario and staying part of the UK would have easily won by a bigger margin than indyref1. | |||
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" Yes it was a UK election that 59 Scottish seats were up for grabs and SNP won 35 which would mean the have the majority of Scottish seats in Westminster So the won in Scotland. Also the unionist parties were rejected in Scotland and have fuck all mandate But the eu vote was a single nationwide vote yet NS claims that because the votes cast in the scottish area were higher for remain that means scotland wanted to stay, fair enough, but by the same token those areas that voted lab or con in the general election certainly didnt reject the unionist parties they elected mp's from them, so yes in those areas they have a mandate, sorry but you cant have your cake and eat it, and its totally disrespectful to those voters who voted for other parties to dismiss their democratic voice, isnt that what NS keeps on about, just another hypocrit The unionist parties in Scotland got just over 60% of the vote in the general election. Pro union parties won the popular vote. Transfer that to a referendum scenario and staying part of the UK would have easily won by a bigger margin than indyref1. " It doesnt work like that as there are many labour supporters who support indy also 16/17yr olds and eu nationals not allowed a vote | |||
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"So how many people that are pro union are now happy that Scotland is in the UK with the Tories and DUP in power eh ? Remember the DUP are against gay rights now that should piss alot of people on here off. The UK is fucked!! not too late to come over and support independence and people are more than wlecome to move to Scotland to get the fuck away from this dickhead bigoted assholes that now are in power at UK level. Brexit is going to be very bad and we all know it" To have their chance to sit at the big table I am fairly sure the DUP will keep quiet about gay rights. It's democracy in action again, we vote for a party knowing full well they will seek another to join them in the event of a hung parliament. The DUP m.p's have been voted into parliament fair and square by citizens of the UK, just the same way the SNP members have. Just because you do not agree with their politics does not mean it is undemocratic for them to form an alliance. That's the part you seem unable or plain unwilling to grasp. Other people have different political views and ideologies from you and that is allowed in a democratic society. | |||
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"That was certainly some spin from Nicola Sturgeon, considering she leads a party that just lost over 37% of their seats! " Not as much spin as from the conservatives and labour who seem to think they've won the pools and now Ruthie seems to have self appointed herself as FM. Let's be clear (to coin a well used phrase from the past few months), the whole shebang is fucked. U.K. Politics has just entered a whole new level of bampottery like we've never seen, it's the laughing stock of the globe right now, a rudderless ship and we've just entered into a coalition (of sorts) with politics from the 1600s. We're all fucked. Not up the arse though, that's sinful. | |||
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"Happy the Tories are in power ?...Em not really but so much happier that the good ship "Deluded Independence" is heading for stormy waters...Your hatred for the Westminster Govt is beyond parody. It borders on an illness.... "Headed for stormy waters ? Yet the poll done before the election it was near neck and neck and that's without a campaign even starting yet. Independence is far bigger than any party Yet you say you are not happy with the Tories in power but seem happy enough to accept it when Scotland rejected the Tories. The UK government aint too fucking bright -English Votes For English Laws? Oooops bans 10 Dup's and 12 SCOTTISH Tories! Or shall they move the goal posts to suit them again. They are well known to do u-turns | |||
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"Totally agree with the poster,sick fed up with Scotland being governed by tories." see..... here is the thing.... with the exception of defence, foreign policy and certain taxation... scotland isn't governed by westminster... it is governed by Holyrood, by the SNP.... you are being jedi mind tricked... because all the stuff that affects you from day to day... health, police, education, social care, transport, farming, fisheries, and now welfare........ is decided from holyrood!! heck... you can even change the income tax and business tax rates if you want by up to +/-3p so when does the SNP actually ever become accountable.... or do they get a free pass on everything on their everlasting mission of independence... | |||
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"Totally agree with the poster,sick fed up with Scotland being governed by tories. see..... here is the thing.... with the exception of defence, foreign policy and certain taxation... scotland isn't governed by westminster... it is governed by Holyrood, by the SNP.... you are being jedi mind tricked... because all the stuff that affects you from day to day... health, police, education, social care, transport, farming, fisheries, and now welfare........ is decided from holyrood!! heck... you can even change the income tax and business tax rates if you want by up to +/-3p so when does the SNP actually ever become accountable.... or do they get a free pass on everything on their everlasting mission of independence..." Exactly The SNP have failed in every devolved issue but still want to blame everything on Westminster. Ten years they have had to make their mark. And its a fucking poor mark they have made. At least plenty Scots are starting to see through it. The rise of the tories os Scotland is not just due to voters being sock of indyref2 tub-thumping. It's a recognition that when it comes to actually governing the country, the SNP are failing. I predict big change come the next Scottish Parliament election. Hell if Alex Salmond can't keep his seat, who can?  | |||
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"So how many people that are pro union are now happy that Scotland is in the UK with the Tories and DUP in power eh ? Remember the DUP are against gay rights now that should piss alot of people on here off. The UK is fucked!! not too late to come over and support independence and people are more than wlecome to move to Scotland to get the fuck away from this dickhead bigoted assholes that now are in power at UK level. Brexit is going to be very bad and we all know it To have their chance to sit at the big table I am fairly sure the DUP will keep quiet about gay rights. It's democracy in action again, we vote for a party knowing full well they will seek another to join them in the event of a hung parliament. The DUP m.p's have been voted into parliament fair and square by citizens of the UK, just the same way the SNP members have. Just because you do not agree with their politics does not mean it is undemocratic for them to form an alliance. That's the part you seem unable or plain unwilling to grasp. Other people have different political views and ideologies from you and that is allowed in a democratic society. "
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"Totally agree with the poster,sick fed up with Scotland being governed by tories. see..... here is the thing.... with the exception of defence, foreign policy and certain taxation... scotland isn't governed by westminster... it is governed by Holyrood, by the SNP.... you are being jedi mind tricked... because all the stuff that affects you from day to day... health, police, education, social care, transport, farming, fisheries, and now welfare........ is decided from holyrood!! heck... you can even change the income tax and business tax rates if you want by up to +/-3p so when does the SNP actually ever become accountable.... or do they get a free pass on everything on their everlasting mission of independence..." Money is not devolved that is in the hands of the Tories. Take a look at what is devolved in Scotland and you will see they are far better run than anywhere in the UK right now. Also seen as the NHS in England are seeing cuts it has effect on our Scottish NHS as again money is not devolved. Police Scotland is the only police force in the UK paying VAT Education is the best in the UK Transport - what people dont know but are too damn well quick to go blame the SNP is most of the problems on the rails are line problems which guess who runs that Network rail which is reversed to Westminster. Welfare - now back in 2014 Home Rule was promised and then the screw- job on the Scotland bill was shafted and welfare Scotland will get some powers on welfare not full control that is NOT Home Rule. The raising income tax was rejected by the Scottish voters only last year in the Scottish election when the Scottish Labour party but it in their manifesto which they failed to tell people that all tax bands would have to either increase or dis-crease so they we asking poor to pay more tax not a winner that is. Bottom line Scotland was promised Home Rule near federal state and yet we have to suffer Tory cuts onto Scotland's budget when Scotland keeps on rejecting the Tories. There is a reason why Westminster are so hell bend on keeping Scotland they know they are screwed without our money if we are subside junkies as UKIP seem to think we are then why the fuck keep Scotland break up the UK and save money but Westminster know where there bread is buttered and thats why they want Scotland. David Cameron fucked up by saying Norway a country of 4 million has as much oil as the UK does and it works very well and Scotland has 5 million and strange that we cant be independent and be well off as the break up of the UK Scotland takes back the oil then there is food , drink , tourism to name a few | |||
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"Totally agree with the poster,sick fed up with Scotland being governed by tories. see..... here is the thing.... with the exception of defence, foreign policy and certain taxation... scotland isn't governed by westminster... it is governed by Holyrood, by the SNP.... you are being jedi mind tricked... because all the stuff that affects you from day to day... health, police, education, social care, transport, farming, fisheries, and now welfare........ is decided from holyrood!! heck... you can even change the income tax and business tax rates if you want by up to +/-3p so when does the SNP actually ever become accountable.... or do they get a free pass on everything on their everlasting mission of independence... Money is not devolved that is in the hands of the Tories. Take a look at what is devolved in Scotland and you will see they are far better run than anywhere in the UK right now. Also seen as the NHS in England are seeing cuts it has effect on our Scottish NHS as again money is not devolved. Police Scotland is the only police force in the UK paying VAT Education is the best in the UK Transport - what people dont know but are too damn well quick to go blame the SNP is most of the problems on the rails are line problems which guess who runs that Network rail which is reversed to Westminster. Welfare - now back in 2014 Home Rule was promised and then the screw- job on the Scotland bill was shafted and welfare Scotland will get some powers on welfare not full control that is NOT Home Rule. The raising income tax was rejected by the Scottish voters only last year in the Scottish election when the Scottish Labour party but it in their manifesto which they failed to tell people that all tax bands would have to either increase or dis-crease so they we asking poor to pay more tax not a winner that is. Bottom line Scotland was promised Home Rule near federal state and yet we have to suffer Tory cuts onto Scotland's budget when Scotland keeps on rejecting the Tories. There is a reason why Westminster are so hell bend on keeping Scotland they know they are screwed without our money if we are subside junkies as UKIP seem to think we are then why the fuck keep Scotland break up the UK and save money but Westminster know where there bread is buttered and thats why they want Scotland. David Cameron fucked up by saying Norway a country of 4 million has as much oil as the UK does and it works very well and Scotland has 5 million and strange that we cant be independent and be well off as the break up of the UK Scotland takes back the oil then there is food , drink , tourism to name a few " So what you are saying is... it's all Westminster's fault | |||
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"Totally agree with the poster,sick fed up with Scotland being governed by tories. see..... here is the thing.... with the exception of defence, foreign policy and certain taxation... scotland isn't governed by westminster... it is governed by Holyrood, by the SNP.... you are being jedi mind tricked... because all the stuff that affects you from day to day... health, police, education, social care, transport, farming, fisheries, and now welfare........ is decided from holyrood!! heck... you can even change the income tax and business tax rates if you want by up to +/-3p so when does the SNP actually ever become accountable.... or do they get a free pass on everything on their everlasting mission of independence... Money is not devolved that is in the hands of the Tories. Take a look at what is devolved in Scotland and you will see they are far better run than anywhere in the UK right now. Also seen as the NHS in England are seeing cuts it has effect on our Scottish NHS as again money is not devolved. Police Scotland is the only police force in the UK paying VAT Education is the best in the UK Transport - what people dont know but are too damn well quick to go blame the SNP is most of the problems on the rails are line problems which guess who runs that Network rail which is reversed to Westminster. Welfare - now back in 2014 Home Rule was promised and then the screw- job on the Scotland bill was shafted and welfare Scotland will get some powers on welfare not full control that is NOT Home Rule. The raising income tax was rejected by the Scottish voters only last year in the Scottish election when the Scottish Labour party but it in their manifesto which they failed to tell people that all tax bands would have to either increase or dis-crease so they we asking poor to pay more tax not a winner that is. Bottom line Scotland was promised Home Rule near federal state and yet we have to suffer Tory cuts onto Scotland's budget when Scotland keeps on rejecting the Tories. There is a reason why Westminster are so hell bend on keeping Scotland they know they are screwed without our money if we are subside junkies as UKIP seem to think we are then why the fuck keep Scotland break up the UK and save money but Westminster know where there bread is buttered and thats why they want Scotland. David Cameron fucked up by saying Norway a country of 4 million has as much oil as the UK does and it works very well and Scotland has 5 million and strange that we cant be independent and be well off as the break up of the UK Scotland takes back the oil then there is food , drink , tourism to name a few So what you are saying is... it's all Westminster's fault "Yup Westminster governments point out something that you think am wrong on | |||
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" Great post. Theresa May has already given Ruth Davidson assurances that LBGT rights will not be changed anywhere in England, Wales or Scotland. To suggest otherwise is just mischief making from opponents to the new Tory government. The Conservatives could now actually use their close working arrangement with the DUP to change the DUP's attitude to gay rights in N.Ireland. " Fucking hell yes your right, they can also start to change the KKK's attitudes to black lives matters while their at it 
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" The Conservatives could now actually use their close working arrangement with the DUP to change the DUP's attitude to gay rights in N.Ireland. Fucking hell yes your right, they can also start to change the KKK's attitudes to black lives matters while their at it
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"So how many people that are pro union are now happy that Scotland is in the UK with the Tories and DUP in power eh ? Remember the DUP are against gay rights now that should piss alot of people on here off. The UK is fucked!! not too late to come over and support independence and people are more than wlecome to move to Scotland to get the fuck away from this dickhead bigoted assholes that now are in power at UK level. Brexit is going to be very bad and we all know it To have their chance to sit at the big table I am fairly sure the DUP will keep quiet about gay rights. It's democracy in action again, we vote for a party knowing full well they will seek another to join them in the event of a hung parliament. The DUP m.p's have been voted into parliament fair and square by citizens of the UK, just the same way the SNP members have. Just because you do not agree with their politics does not mean it is undemocratic for them to form an alliance. That's the part you seem unable or plain unwilling to grasp. Other people have different political views and ideologies from you and that is allowed in a democratic society.
Great post. Theresa May has already given Ruth Davidson assurances that LBGT rights will not be changed anywhere in England, Wales or Scotland. To suggest otherwise is just mischief making from opponents to the new Tory government. The Conservatives could now actually use their close working arrangement with the DUP to change the DUP's attitude to gay rights in N.Ireland. "Theresa May gave assurances the public that there would be no UK election before 2020 yet you think she is to be trusted ? Did you see how quick Ruth Davidson ran away in the Channel 4 interview ? Lmao you steaming the night one few too many so you think the Tories are going to change the DUP stances on gay rights and forcing women to give birth lol yeah right sober up | |||
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" Theresa May gave assurances the public that there would be no UK election before 2020 yet you think she is to be trusted ? " Yeah. And I remember the SNP saying that the independence referendum would be "once in a generation". So your team can move the goalposts but the others can't? So fucking deluded. And as for the DUP, doesn't matter if you like their stance on gay rights or not. My earlier post stands. DUP mp's have been duly elected by UK citizens, same as SNP mp's. They have every roght to form a coalition. If you don't like their policies, it seems plenty voters in N.I do. And if you are going to start bubbling again that Scotland shouldn't be governed by tories and DUP cos we didn't vote for them... I refer you once again to the result of the Scottish independence referendum. We voted to stay. We are part of the UK. Same as the DUP voters. All the bubbling, screaming and tantrums in the world won't change that fact right now. | |||
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"So how many people that are pro union are now happy that Scotland is in the UK with the Tories and DUP in power eh ? Remember the DUP are against gay rights now that should piss alot of people on here off. The UK is fucked!! not too late to come over and support independence and people are more than wlecome to move to Scotland to get the fuck away from this dickhead bigoted assholes that now are in power at UK level. Brexit is going to be very bad and we all know it To have their chance to sit at the big table I am fairly sure the DUP will keep quiet about gay rights. It's democracy in action again, we vote for a party knowing full well they will seek another to join them in the event of a hung parliament. The DUP m.p's have been voted into parliament fair and square by citizens of the UK, just the same way the SNP members have. Just because you do not agree with their politics does not mean it is undemocratic for them to form an alliance. That's the part you seem unable or plain unwilling to grasp. Other people have different political views and ideologies from you and that is allowed in a democratic society.
Great post. Theresa May has already given Ruth Davidson assurances that LBGT rights will not be changed anywhere in England, Wales or Scotland. To suggest otherwise is just mischief making from opponents to the new Tory government. The Conservatives could now actually use their close working arrangement with the DUP to change the DUP's attitude to gay rights in N.Ireland.
Theresa May gave assurances the public that there would be no UK election before 2020 yet you think she is to be trusted ?
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Lmao you steaming the night one few too many so you think the Tories are going to change the DUP stances on gay rights and forcing women to give birth lol yeah right sober up "Not me, Ruth Davidson actually. You and a few others on this thread really should watch Ruth Davidson's interview on sky news from Saturday 10th June. Ruth Davidson said herself after having assurances from Theresa May on LBGT rights, the Conservative party would use whatever influence they had with the DUP to advance LBGT rights in N.Ireland. It was Ruth Davidson who said this on sky news. | |||
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"So how many people that are pro union are now happy that Scotland is in the UK with the Tories and DUP in power eh ? Remember the DUP are against gay rights now that should piss alot of people on here off. The UK is fucked!! not too late to come over and support independence and people are more than wlecome to move to Scotland to get the fuck away from this dickhead bigoted assholes that now are in power at UK level. Brexit is going to be very bad and we all know it To have their chance to sit at the big table I am fairly sure the DUP will keep quiet about gay rights. It's democracy in action again, we vote for a party knowing full well they will seek another to join them in the event of a hung parliament. The DUP m.p's have been voted into parliament fair and square by citizens of the UK, just the same way the SNP members have. Just because you do not agree with their politics does not mean it is undemocratic for them to form an alliance. That's the part you seem unable or plain unwilling to grasp. Other people have different political views and ideologies from you and that is allowed in a democratic society.
Great post. Theresa May has already given Ruth Davidson assurances that LBGT rights will not be changed anywhere in England, Wales or Scotland. To suggest otherwise is just mischief making from opponents to the new Tory government. The Conservatives could now actually use their close working arrangement with the DUP to change the DUP's attitude to gay rights in N.Ireland.
Theresa May gave assurances the public that there would be no UK election before 2020 yet you think she is to be trusted ?
Did you see how quick Ruth Davidson ran away in the Channel 4 interview ?
Lmao you steaming the night one few too many so you think the Tories are going to change the DUP stances on gay rights and forcing women to give birth lol yeah right sober up
Not me, Ruth Davidson actually. You and a few others on this thread really should watch Ruth Davidson's interview on sky news from Saturday 10th June. Ruth Davidson said herself after having assurances from Theresa May on LBGT rights, the Conservative party would use whatever influence they had with the DUP to advance LBGT rights in N.Ireland. It was Ruth Davidson who said this on sky news. "Ah right so Ruth Davidson says and there you go everyone should believe the Tories eh lmao Remember Ruth Davidson saying brexit would be very bad for Scotland now backs her boss to leave the EU That means fuck all remember Theresa May gave the public assurances there will be no UK election before 2020 so tell me why should believe the pish coming from the Tories ? The truth is the Tories fucked up big time where their plan to get a majority reap what you sow | |||
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" Theresa May gave assurances the public that there would be no UK election before 2020 yet you think she is to be trusted ? Yeah. And I remember the SNP saying that the independence referendum would be "once in a generation". So your team can move the goalposts but the others can't? So fucking deluded. And as for the DUP, doesn't matter if you like their stance on gay rights or not. My earlier post stands. DUP mp's have been duly elected by UK citizens, same as SNP mp's. They have every roght to form a coalition. If you don't like their policies, it seems plenty voters in N.I do. And if you are going to start bubbling again that Scotland shouldn't be governed by tories and DUP cos we didn't vote for them... I refer you once again to the result of the Scottish independence referendum. We voted to stay. We are part of the UK. Same as the DUP voters. All the bubbling, screaming and tantrums in the world won't change that fact right now. " Why do you insist on conflating the SNP with the independence movement? It's just dishonest. And why do you prefer to be governed by another country? Classic Scottish cringe. | |||
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"So how many people that are pro union are now happy that Scotland is in the UK with the Tories and DUP in power eh ? Remember the DUP are against gay rights now that should piss alot of people on here off. The UK is fucked!! not too late to come over and support independence and people are more than wlecome to move to Scotland to get the fuck away from this dickhead bigoted assholes that now are in power at UK level. Brexit is going to be very bad and we all know it To have their chance to sit at the big table I am fairly sure the DUP will keep quiet about gay rights. It's democracy in action again, we vote for a party knowing full well they will seek another to join them in the event of a hung parliament. The DUP m.p's have been voted into parliament fair and square by citizens of the UK, just the same way the SNP members have. Just because you do not agree with their politics does not mean it is undemocratic for them to form an alliance. That's the part you seem unable or plain unwilling to grasp. Other people have different political views and ideologies from you and that is allowed in a democratic society.
Great post. Theresa May has already given Ruth Davidson assurances that LBGT rights will not be changed anywhere in England, Wales or Scotland. To suggest otherwise is just mischief making from opponents to the new Tory government. The Conservatives could now actually use their close working arrangement with the DUP to change the DUP's attitude to gay rights in N.Ireland.
Theresa May gave assurances the public that there would be no UK election before 2020 yet you think she is to be trusted ?
Did you see how quick Ruth Davidson ran away in the Channel 4 interview ?
Lmao you steaming the night one few too many so you think the Tories are going to change the DUP stances on gay rights and forcing women to give birth lol yeah right sober up
Not me, Ruth Davidson actually. You and a few others on this thread really should watch Ruth Davidson's interview on sky news from Saturday 10th June. Ruth Davidson said herself after having assurances from Theresa May on LBGT rights, the Conservative party would use whatever influence they had with the DUP to advance LBGT rights in N.Ireland. It was Ruth Davidson who said this on sky news.
Ah right so Ruth Davidson says and there you go everyone should believe the Tories eh lmao Remember Ruth Davidson saying brexit would be very bad for Scotland now backs her boss to leave the EU
That means fuck all remember Theresa May gave the public assurances there will be no UK election before 2020 so tell me why should believe the pish coming from the Tories ?
The truth is the Tories fucked up big time where their plan to get a majority reap what you sow
"So you haven't answered me, if Theresa May is untrustworthy for saying there would be no election before 2020, then aren't the SNP untrustworthy for saying the independence referendum would be once in a generation? And don't blather on about Brexit changing the situation for Scotland. It changed the situation for the Uk and the Conservatives too | |||
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" Theresa May gave assurances the public that there would be no UK election before 2020 yet you think she is to be trusted ? Yeah. And I remember the SNP saying that the independence referendum would be "once in a generation". So your team can move the goalposts but the others can't? So fucking deluded. And as for the DUP, doesn't matter if you like their stance on gay rights or not. My earlier post stands. DUP mp's have been duly elected by UK citizens, same as SNP mp's. They have every roght to form a coalition. If you don't like their policies, it seems plenty voters in N.I do. And if you are going to start bubbling again that Scotland shouldn't be governed by tories and DUP cos we didn't vote for them... I refer you once again to the result of the Scottish independence referendum. We voted to stay. We are part of the UK. Same as the DUP voters. All the bubbling, screaming and tantrums in the world won't change that fact right now. Why do you insist on conflating the SNP with the independence movement? It's just dishonest. And why do you prefer to be governed by another country? Classic Scottish cringe." why do I conflate the SNP with the independence movement? Because independence is its whole reason for being remember. Scottish NATIONALIST party. Sure voters of other parties may wish for independence. But to say the SNP is not about independence, that would be dishonest.
And why do I prefer to be governed by another country? I don't. I prefer to be governed by my nation, that is the UK. With devolved areas to my country, Scotland. Shame the governing party in Scotland can't get any of that right, but I digress...
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"So how many people that are pro union are now happy that Scotland is in the UK with the Tories and DUP in power eh ? Remember the DUP are against gay rights now that should piss alot of people on here off. The UK is fucked!! not too late to come over and support independence and people are more than wlecome to move to Scotland to get the fuck away from this dickhead bigoted assholes that now are in power at UK level. Brexit is going to be very bad and we all know it To have their chance to sit at the big table I am fairly sure the DUP will keep quiet about gay rights. It's democracy in action again, we vote for a party knowing full well they will seek another to join them in the event of a hung parliament. The DUP m.p's have been voted into parliament fair and square by citizens of the UK, just the same way the SNP members have. Just because you do not agree with their politics does not mean it is undemocratic for them to form an alliance. That's the part you seem unable or plain unwilling to grasp. Other people have different political views and ideologies from you and that is allowed in a democratic society.
Great post. Theresa May has already given Ruth Davidson assurances that LBGT rights will not be changed anywhere in England, Wales or Scotland. To suggest otherwise is just mischief making from opponents to the new Tory government. The Conservatives could now actually use their close working arrangement with the DUP to change the DUP's attitude to gay rights in N.Ireland.
Theresa May gave assurances the public that there would be no UK election before 2020 yet you think she is to be trusted ?
Did you see how quick Ruth Davidson ran away in the Channel 4 interview ?
Lmao you steaming the night one few too many so you think the Tories are going to change the DUP stances on gay rights and forcing women to give birth lol yeah right sober up
Not me, Ruth Davidson actually. You and a few others on this thread really should watch Ruth Davidson's interview on sky news from Saturday 10th June. Ruth Davidson said herself after having assurances from Theresa May on LBGT rights, the Conservative party would use whatever influence they had with the DUP to advance LBGT rights in N.Ireland. It was Ruth Davidson who said this on sky news.
Ah right so Ruth Davidson says and there you go everyone should believe the Tories eh lmao Remember Ruth Davidson saying brexit would be very bad for Scotland now backs her boss to leave the EU
That means fuck all remember Theresa May gave the public assurances there will be no UK election before 2020 so tell me why should believe the pish coming from the Tories ?
The truth is the Tories fucked up big time where their plan to get a majority reap what you sow
So you haven't answered me, if Theresa May is untrustworthy for saying there would be no election before 2020, then aren't the SNP untrustworthy for saying the independence referendum would be once in a generation? And don't blather on about Brexit changing the situation for Scotland. It changed the situation for the Uk and the Conservatives too"Simple answer can you show me anywhere in the Edinburgh agreement that says there will be no other independence referendum in a generation ? Since 2014 things has changed big time and people have changed on independence and they have the right to do so and should not be denied their right to change their minds | |||
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" Theresa May gave assurances the public that there would be no UK election before 2020 yet you think she is to be trusted ? Yeah. And I remember the SNP saying that the independence referendum would be "once in a generation". So your team can move the goalposts but the others can't? So fucking deluded. And as for the DUP, doesn't matter if you like their stance on gay rights or not. My earlier post stands. DUP mp's have been duly elected by UK citizens, same as SNP mp's. They have every roght to form a coalition. If you don't like their policies, it seems plenty voters in N.I do. And if you are going to start bubbling again that Scotland shouldn't be governed by tories and DUP cos we didn't vote for them... I refer you once again to the result of the Scottish independence referendum. We voted to stay. We are part of the UK. Same as the DUP voters. All the bubbling, screaming and tantrums in the world won't change that fact right now. Why do you insist on conflating the SNP with the independence movement? It's just dishonest. And why do you prefer to be governed by another country? Classic Scottish cringe. why do I conflate the SNP with the independence movement? Because independence is its whole reason for being remember. Scottish NATIONALIST party. Sure voters of other parties may wish for independence. But to say the SNP is not about independence, that would be dishonest.
And why do I prefer to be governed by another country? I don't. I prefer to be governed by my nation, that is the UK. With devolved areas to my country, Scotland. Shame the governing party in Scotland can't get any of that right, but I digress...
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" Theresa May gave assurances the public that there would be no UK election before 2020 yet you think she is to be trusted ? Yeah. And I remember the SNP saying that the independence referendum would be "once in a generation". So your team can move the goalposts but the others can't? So fucking deluded. And as for the DUP, doesn't matter if you like their stance on gay rights or not. My earlier post stands. DUP mp's have been duly elected by UK citizens, same as SNP mp's. They have every roght to form a coalition. If you don't like their policies, it seems plenty voters in N.I do. And if you are going to start bubbling again that Scotland shouldn't be governed by tories and DUP cos we didn't vote for them... I refer you once again to the result of the Scottish independence referendum. We voted to stay. We are part of the UK. Same as the DUP voters. All the bubbling, screaming and tantrums in the world won't change that fact right now. Why do you insist on conflating the SNP with the independence movement? It's just dishonest. And why do you prefer to be governed by another country? Classic Scottish cringe." Prefer being governed by another country, that's a laugh considering the SNP want to stay in the EU and be ruled by Brussels. | |||
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" Theresa May gave assurances the public that there would be no UK election before 2020 yet you think she is to be trusted ? Yeah. And I remember the SNP saying that the independence referendum would be "once in a generation". So your team can move the goalposts but the others can't? So fucking deluded. And as for the DUP, doesn't matter if you like their stance on gay rights or not. My earlier post stands. DUP mp's have been duly elected by UK citizens, same as SNP mp's. They have every roght to form a coalition. If you don't like their policies, it seems plenty voters in N.I do. And if you are going to start bubbling again that Scotland shouldn't be governed by tories and DUP cos we didn't vote for them... I refer you once again to the result of the Scottish independence referendum. We voted to stay. We are part of the UK. Same as the DUP voters. All the bubbling, screaming and tantrums in the world won't change that fact right now. Why do you insist on conflating the SNP with the independence movement? It's just dishonest. And why do you prefer to be governed by another country? Classic Scottish cringe. Prefer being governed by another country, that's a laugh considering the SNP want to stay in the EU and be ruled by Brussels. "Exactly this that is the true paradox, we won't be ruled by Westminster but its ok to rejoin the EU and be ruled by Brussels? Where is thd independence in that? | |||
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" Theresa May gave assurances the public that there would be no UK election before 2020 yet you think she is to be trusted ? Yeah. And I remember the SNP saying that the independence referendum would be "once in a generation". So your team can move the goalposts but the others can't? So fucking deluded. And as for the DUP, doesn't matter if you like their stance on gay rights or not. My earlier post stands. DUP mp's have been duly elected by UK citizens, same as SNP mp's. They have every roght to form a coalition. If you don't like their policies, it seems plenty voters in N.I do. And if you are going to start bubbling again that Scotland shouldn't be governed by tories and DUP cos we didn't vote for them... I refer you once again to the result of the Scottish independence referendum. We voted to stay. We are part of the UK. Same as the DUP voters. All the bubbling, screaming and tantrums in the world won't change that fact right now. Why do you insist on conflating the SNP with the independence movement? It's just dishonest. And why do you prefer to be governed by another country? Classic Scottish cringe. why do I conflate the SNP with the independence movement? Because independence is its whole reason for being remember. Scottish NATIONALIST party. Sure voters of other parties may wish for independence. But to say the SNP is not about independence, that would be dishonest.
And why do I prefer to be governed by another country? I don't. I prefer to be governed by my nation, that is the UK. With devolved areas to my country, Scotland. Shame the governing party in Scotland can't get any of that right, but I digress...
I refer you to my previous posts yet again. Scotland is part of the UK. We were asked did we want independence? We said no. Deal with it
Which nation you on about ? There is 4 nations in the UK"Christ how much bollocks can you utter in one night? "there's 4 nations in the UK" and "which country, Scotland is my country" what do you call it then, the alliance of 4 countries, nations, the UK... Scotland is part of the greater alliance however much you wish it ain't so. Give it a fucking rest. And as for "where in the Edinburgh agreement does it say once in a generation" fuck you know it was said by the SNP. And so does the rest of the world. It is your bitter refusal to accept the truth and your insistence on cherry-picking the moments in history that suit your agenda, while denying all othes, that enrages anyone remotely against independence, or even on the fence. And is fast turning Scotland into a laughing stock. I say bring on Indyref2 tomorrow. Let the smug smiles be wiped off your faces, just as it has been off Alex Salmonds this week | |||
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" Theresa May gave assurances the public that there would be no UK election before 2020 yet you think she is to be trusted ? Yeah. And I remember the SNP saying that the independence referendum would be "once in a generation". So your team can move the goalposts but the others can't? So fucking deluded. And as for the DUP, doesn't matter if you like their stance on gay rights or not. My earlier post stands. DUP mp's have been duly elected by UK citizens, same as SNP mp's. They have every roght to form a coalition. If you don't like their policies, it seems plenty voters in N.I do. And if you are going to start bubbling again that Scotland shouldn't be governed by tories and DUP cos we didn't vote for them... I refer you once again to the result of the Scottish independence referendum. We voted to stay. We are part of the UK. Same as the DUP voters. All the bubbling, screaming and tantrums in the world won't change that fact right now. Why do you insist on conflating the SNP with the independence movement? It's just dishonest. And why do you prefer to be governed by another country? Classic Scottish cringe. Prefer being governed by another country, that's a laugh considering the SNP want to stay in the EU and be ruled by Brussels. "Scotland in the UK has Tory cuts even though Scotland rejects the Tories and dont anyone give me that pish about the SNP have powers so anyone that things that way wants the Scottish government to keep cleaning up Tory mess and mitigate every damn thing the Tories come out with but then claim the SNP should spent more on education and NHS yet your all happy for them to waste money to mitigate Tory polices An independent Scotland in the EU would have a veto just like all the other independent countries in the EU. | |||
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" Theresa May gave assurances the public that there would be no UK election before 2020 yet you think she is to be trusted ? Yeah. And I remember the SNP saying that the independence referendum would be "once in a generation". So your team can move the goalposts but the others can't? So fucking deluded. And as for the DUP, doesn't matter if you like their stance on gay rights or not. My earlier post stands. DUP mp's have been duly elected by UK citizens, same as SNP mp's. They have every roght to form a coalition. If you don't like their policies, it seems plenty voters in N.I do. And if you are going to start bubbling again that Scotland shouldn't be governed by tories and DUP cos we didn't vote for them... I refer you once again to the result of the Scottish independence referendum. We voted to stay. We are part of the UK. Same as the DUP voters. All the bubbling, screaming and tantrums in the world won't change that fact right now. Why do you insist on conflating the SNP with the independence movement? It's just dishonest. And why do you prefer to be governed by another country? Classic Scottish cringe. why do I conflate the SNP with the independence movement? Because independence is its whole reason for being remember. Scottish NATIONALIST party. Sure voters of other parties may wish for independence. But to say the SNP is not about independence, that would be dishonest.
And why do I prefer to be governed by another country? I don't. I prefer to be governed by my nation, that is the UK. With devolved areas to my country, Scotland. Shame the governing party in Scotland can't get any of that right, but I digress...
I refer you to my previous posts yet again. Scotland is part of the UK. We were asked did we want independence? We said no. Deal with it
Which nation you on about ? There is 4 nations in the UK
Christ how much bollocks can you utter in one night? "there's 4 nations in the UK" and "which country, Scotland is my country" what do you call it then, the alliance of 4 countries, nations, the UK... Scotland is part of the greater alliance however much you wish it ain't so. Give it a fucking rest. And as for "where in the Edinburgh agreement does it say once in a generation" fuck you know it was said by the SNP. And so does the rest of the world. It is your bitter refusal to accept the truth and your insistence on cherry-picking the moments in history that suit your agenda, while denying all othes, that enrages anyone remotely against independence, or even on the fence. And is fast turning Scotland into a laughing stock. I say bring on Indyref2 tomorrow. Let the smug smiles be wiped off your faces, just as it has been off Alex Salmonds this week"You have just proven my point when i hear this shite about the once in a generation then when i ask for someone to show me where in the Edinburgh Agreement where it says there will be no independence referendum in a generation they cant. If the Better Together shite wants to promise Scotland the world then how about keeping to their promises of Home Rule Can anyone name one thing from 2014 Better Together shite that they have all kept there promise to ? Now the NHS was suppose to be safe in the UK correct ? Yet pro union supporters claim the NHS is in chaos in the UK go fucking figure. Remember the promise that ship yards and steel works being safe in the UK that turned out to be a big fucking lie and it was guess who that found buyers to make sure jobs were safe in the ship yards and steel works yes that would have been the SNP where was the thanks for that ? HRMC jobs were suppose to be safe in the UK and pensions was suppose to be safe in the UK try telling pensioners that now eh ? Many more Lies from 2014 | |||
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"Scotland had an increase in it budget this year. If there are cuts, then it's the Scottish government that's doing the cutting!" Is money devolved to Scotland ? If its not devolved then who's cuts are they ? | |||
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"Doesn't matter if it was in the Edinburgh agreement or not, Alex Salmond, then head of the SNP and first minister for Scotland said it. Asked if he could pledge not to bring back another referendum if the Yes campaign does not win on Thursday, he said: "That's my view. My view is this is a once in a generation, perhaps even a once in a lifetime, opportunity for Scotland." But then they lose, he resigns, Nicola takes over and suddenly it doesn't matter who said it. Because it's not part of the "Edinburgh agreement"... fucking shabbier politics I have never seen. You can delude yourself all you want. And a fair proportion of Scotland are deluded alongside you. But luckily the tide is turning... " Ah so now it doesnt matter if it was in the Edinburgh Agreement or not now ? So there could be another one then if it doesnt say it in it. Remember it says in the Edinburgh Agreement both governments would treat the referendum as fair strange as what is fair about breaking purdah and offering extra powers that David Cameron clearly didnt want to give Scotland but shat himself when he seen the last poll with YES infront with a week to go extra powers was not on the ballot paper. Again this is very strange way of thinking so let me get this right the Tories put in their 2015 manifesto to hold a EU referendum and they win the election giving them a mandate to deliver on that EU referendum Yet SNP win an election with a policy to have a independence referendum if Scotland were to be dragged out of the EU when it rejected brexit and that is a mandate and now that is not to be respected LOL | |||
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"Doesn't matter if it was in the Edinburgh agreement or not, Alex Salmond, then head of the SNP and first minister for Scotland said it. Asked if he could pledge not to bring back another referendum if the Yes campaign does not win on Thursday, he said: "That's my view. My view is this is a once in a generation, perhaps even a once in a lifetime, opportunity for Scotland." But then they lose, he resigns, Nicola takes over and suddenly it doesn't matter who said it. Because it's not part of the "Edinburgh agreement"... fucking shabbier politics I have never seen. You can delude yourself all you want. And a fair proportion of Scotland are deluded alongside you. But luckily the tide is turning... Ah so now it doesnt matter if it was in the Edinburgh Agreement or not now ? So there could be another one then if it doesnt say it in it. Remember it says in the Edinburgh Agreement both governments would treat the referendum as fair strange as what is fair about breaking purdah and offering extra powers that David Cameron clearly didnt want to give Scotland but shat himself when he seen the last poll with YES infront with a week to go extra powers was not on the ballot paper. Again this is very strange way of thinking so let me get this right the Tories put in their 2015 manifesto to hold a EU referendum and they win the election giving them a mandate to deliver on that EU referendum Yet SNP win an election with a policy to have a independence referendum if Scotland were to be dragged out of the EU when it rejected brexit and that is a mandate and now that is not to be respected LOL " Christ I really don't know why I am wasting my energy arguing with you. You are in fluffy unicorn land where you just twist the facts to suit yourself. It's not in your Edinburgh agreement so it doesnt count. Even though your leader at the time said it did. Fucking ludicrous. I bet if he had said "we will have referendum after referendum until we get the result we want" you would be parrot-quoting that, Edinburgh agreement or not. Conversely, Theresa May says no election before 2020, that is in no legal agreement such as your Edin urgh agreement, but you hold her to it, she can't be trusted for going back on her word?? That makes you a hypocrite. But I hope some sensible folk might have read and maybe agreed with my posts, even if they have thought about them objectively I will be happy. As for you I do actually pity you. Because I know what you want. And it is not going to happen anytime soon. So I am over and out. Happily a UK citizen for the foreseeable future | |||
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"Doesn't matter if it was in the Edinburgh agreement or not, Alex Salmond, then head of the SNP and first minister for Scotland said it. Asked if he could pledge not to bring back another referendum if the Yes campaign does not win on Thursday, he said: "That's my view. My view is this is a once in a generation, perhaps even a once in a lifetime, opportunity for Scotland." But then they lose, he resigns, Nicola takes over and suddenly it doesn't matter who said it. Because it's not part of the "Edinburgh agreement"... fucking shabbier politics I have never seen. You can delude yourself all you want. And a fair proportion of Scotland are deluded alongside you. But luckily the tide is turning... Ah so now it doesnt matter if it was in the Edinburgh Agreement or not now ? So there could be another one then if it doesnt say it in it. Remember it says in the Edinburgh Agreement both governments would treat the referendum as fair strange as what is fair about breaking purdah and offering extra powers that David Cameron clearly didnt want to give Scotland but shat himself when he seen the last poll with YES infront with a week to go extra powers was not on the ballot paper. Again this is very strange way of thinking so let me get this right the Tories put in their 2015 manifesto to hold a EU referendum and they win the election giving them a mandate to deliver on that EU referendum Yet SNP win an election with a policy to have a independence referendum if Scotland were to be dragged out of the EU when it rejected brexit and that is a mandate and now that is not to be respected LOL Christ I really don't know why I am wasting my energy arguing with you. You are in fluffy unicorn land where you just twist the facts to suit yourself. It's not in your Edinburgh agreement so it doesnt count. Even though your leader at the time said it did. Fucking ludicrous. I bet if he had said "we will have referendum after referendum until we get the result we want" you would be parrot-quoting that, Edinburgh agreement or not. Conversely, Theresa May says no election before 2020, that is in no legal agreement such as your Edin urgh agreement, but you hold her to it, she can't be trusted for going back on her word?? That makes you a hypocrite. But I hope some sensible folk might have read and maybe agreed with my posts, even if they have thought about them objectively I will be happy. As for you I do actually pity you. Because I know what you want. And it is not going to happen anytime soon. So I am over and out. Happily a UK citizen for the foreseeable future "Am not arguing with anyone am debating which i do enjoy doing but i wont ever fall out with someone over this but am happy to debate. So we are in agreement that in the Edinburgh Agreement it does not say there cant be another referendum on independence until a generation pasts ? Also who gets to decide when a generation is eh ? Will it be 5 years 10 , 15 20 50 years ? The difference is the SNP have a mandate for another independence referendum and it was a democratic vote that passed 69-59 in Holyrood unless you are saying that shouldnt be respected ? Thersea May called a snap election with no mandate at that point it was under David Cameron's manifesto but hey it fucked up big time for her eh no majority government and now propped up with the DUP an ultra bigoted party that is really not liked in the UK Pity me because what i want wont happen anytime soon ? I know its not gonna happen anytime soon so do many others as it was made clear after the final brexit deal is known and just before the UK leaves the Scottish people should have a choice of independence or leave the EU in a Tory/DUP right wing brexit | |||
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"Is money devolved guff. Not as long as our currency is the UK,s pound sterling. Your dim witted party wanted full fiscal autonomy, now they,ve conveiniently forgot all about that.?? They knew it would lead to a massive loss in revenue and horrendous cuts to services. But it sounded good to the deluded who thought ( ? ) that Scotland was somehow being ripped off in the union. The useful idiots, as usual, lapped it up. They (snp) even blocked a committee to investigate the consequences of implementing the policy. Budget is up, yet the snp Scottish government is slashing funding to Scottish councils. It seems tartan austerity is more palatable to you. Why? " Now now thats not what i asked i asked Is money devolved in Scotland ? If its not devolved then who's cuts really are they that are being passed on to the Scottish budget ? Really ? So before the Scottish council elections did you not hear the Scottish government say the councils will be in charge of setting whether or not to increase tax ? Before Labour were gladly booted out on their arses Labour councils decided to freeze tax same Labour in Scotland that wanted to increase the tax but strange eh that they decided to freeze it Lol Might be a reason why Scottish voters dont trust the pro union parties as they cant be trusted | |||
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In percentage terms thats 62.9% rejected separatist parties. And let's not forget the duicitous greens hiding from the electorate in 56 constituencies. If they stood, the nats would have lost even more seats. And likely their laughingly so called "majority". | |||
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"There are no cuts from central government, I told you, the Scottish government budget has increased. Why is the Scottish government not passing on this increase to local government? More importantly, why are they cutting budgets for this year? Nice cop out as usual, blame someone else,typical.... It's the councils fault! As for the freeze, if any council broke that freeze they would have been punished financially from central government for doing so. Can you imagine the furore if that policy was imposed on the Scottish government? Nice dig at Labour there, but I,m not here to defend them. It's also noted that not one council in Scotland is majority controlled by the snp, it would seem that the Scottish people don't trust the snp with their local services either. Your last comment shows your complete lack of awareness. Only a couple of days ago, the pro union parties got more votes than the yes campaign did in the 2014 referendum! That had a larger turnout and the benefit of the votes of 16/17 year olds. OMG
In percentage terms thats 62.9% rejected separatist parties. And let's not forget the duicitous greens hiding from the electorate in 56 constituencies. If they stood, the nats would have lost even more seats. And likely their laughingly so called "majority". "Again is money devolved to Scotland ? If its not devolved then whos cuts are they that is being passed onto Scotland ? You seem happy to defend the Tory cuts Like i said nice try so you think its SNP cuts in Scotland yet in Wales Labour blame the Tories for the cuts being passed onto their budget and both Wales and Scotland money is not devolved nice try cop out ? No all i see is people really defending Tory cuts being passed onto devolved governments budget then trying to blame the devolved government for Tory cuts when in Westminster SNP opposed those cuts and that is on record if anyone wants to check that shit up I didnt say you were defending Labour i was pointing out how there record is on council tax saying they would increase it and when the SNP gave them the power to do so they shat a brick and decided to stick with the freeze. There we go again someone trying hard to lump all the pro union parties votes together yet separate them and it meaningless shite as none of the unionist parties in Scotland hold a mandate in Scotland thats fact. Also again the SNP is NOT independence and independence is NOT the SNP the independence movement is far bigger than any party the SNP are a route to get there. Now that you have said your wee 62.9 % can you now tell me how much each unionist party in Scotland got in % please ? As they all fought an anti independence ticket and got rejected and the SNP got 59% of the Scottish vote and have now a triple lock mandate on top of the mandate they had with the Holyrood vote | |||
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"Here I was thinking it was a general election for the UK, when in fact it seems like it was an independence referendum. Well, well, well. Is it not presumptive, if I may say so, to confuse the two? " Gosh really? I thought it was a vote on the "triple lock mandate"! If any other leader of a party lost a third of their seats, then they would have resigned! | |||
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"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/19/alex-salmond-accused-rewriting-history-lifetime-referendum-pledge/ Just thought I would quote this post as some SNP supporters on here seem to be glossing over it and ignoring it. " Ah up tops the British newspaper again that is well known to defend the Tories i suppose if people read in the papers a pig can fly they would believe that too The British media really do have people sucked it to believe any out shite do people not get their main reason it to try and sell their newspapers and will put any old shite in them to do that. | |||
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"Yes it was a UK election about what MP's would do in Westminster.. Funny that though as the British media tried their hardest to make it about devolved issues yeah devolved issues in a UK election utter madness. So the voters in Scotland didnt learn a damn thing about what there new MP's would do in Westminster because it was all about devolved issues because the unionist parties couldnt shut the fuck up about guess what independence when infact there already was a democratic vote in Holyrood that passed to allow another referendum. Seems the UK Tories wanted it to be about brexit but lmao the strong and stable shite came back and bite her on the arse lmao no majority and now seems quite happy to do deals with the DUP Anyone like the DUP stance on gay rights , womens rights ? Anyone willing to defend them ? So you think Nicola should have resigned yet won a majority of Scottish seats interesting so should have Ruth , Kezia and Willie all resigned for not able able to win a majority of Scottish seats ? No no cant have that as the unionist parties would have fuck all anyone left to replace them with leaders and they are a bunch of puppets get telt from their bosses in England what to say and do " But you painted all those three as useless and inedpt, yet they are the ones that took your vote and seats away! | |||
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"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/19/alex-salmond-accused-rewriting-history-lifetime-referendum-pledge/ Just thought I would quote this post as some SNP supporters on here seem to be glossing over it and ignoring it. Ah up tops the British newspaper again that is well known to defend the Tories i suppose if people read in the papers a pig can fly they would believe that too The British media really do have people sucked it to believe any out shite do people not get their main reason it to try and sell their newspapers and will put any old shite in them to do that. " Would you like me to find you a link of video footage of Alex Salmond saying it? I'm sure there is one around on YouTube somewhere. I'm also pretty sure it was covered in the Scottish press when Alex Salmond said that indyref1 was a once in a generation/lifetime vote. | |||
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"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/19/alex-salmond-accused-rewriting-history-lifetime-referendum-pledge/ Just thought I would quote this post as some SNP supporters on here seem to be glossing over it and ignoring it. Ah up tops the British newspaper again that is well known to defend the Tories i suppose if people read in the papers a pig can fly they would believe that too The British media really do have people sucked it to believe any out shite do people not get their main reason it to try and sell their newspapers and will put any old shite in them to do that. " I think the election result shows the people ignored the lies and smear campaign against corbyn in England.Which is a good sign for the future. | |||
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"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/19/alex-salmond-accused-rewriting-history-lifetime-referendum-pledge/ Just thought I would quote this post as some SNP supporters on here seem to be glossing over it and ignoring it. Ah up tops the British newspaper again that is well known to defend the Tories i suppose if people read in the papers a pig can fly they would believe that too The British media really do have people sucked it to believe any out shite do people not get their main reason it to try and sell their newspapers and will put any old shite in them to do that. " You don't believe the British press here is a link to a Scottish newspaper.... www.heraldscotland.com/news/13179949.Salmond__it_s_a_once_only_vote___I_won_t_call_another_indyref_if_it_s_No_on_Thursday/ | |||
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"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/19/alex-salmond-accused-rewriting-history-lifetime-referendum-pledge/ Just thought I would quote this post as some SNP supporters on here seem to be glossing over it and ignoring it. Ah up tops the British newspaper again that is well known to defend the Tories i suppose if people read in the papers a pig can fly they would believe that too The British media really do have people sucked it to believe any out shite do people not get their main reason it to try and sell their newspapers and will put any old shite in them to do that. " Video footage of the words coming straight out of Alex Salmond's mouth.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R__GiEc5wc&t=94s | |||
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"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/19/alex-salmond-accused-rewriting-history-lifetime-referendum-pledge/ Just thought I would quote this post as some SNP supporters on here seem to be glossing over it and ignoring it. Ah up tops the British newspaper again that is well known to defend the Tories i suppose if people read in the papers a pig can fly they would believe that too The British media really do have people sucked it to believe any out shite do people not get their main reason it to try and sell their newspapers and will put any old shite in them to do that. You don't believe the British press here is a link to a Scottish newspaper.... www.heraldscotland.com/news/13179949.Salmond__it_s_a_once_only_vote___I_won_t_call_another_indyref_if_it_s_No_on_Thursday/" Send all the British newspaper links you want i couldnt care less i wont read them and their money grabbing lying bastards who avoid paying tax but hey if people want to give them their money who am i to stop you more fool you though. Now again this once in a generation crap is getting old yes Alex said it and was an opinion but like i said in nowhere in the Edinburgh Agreement does it say there cant be another referendum on Scottish independence until a generation has passed And even at that who the fuck decides when a generation is ? Will it be 5 , 10 , 20 years now how about 7 ,11 ,14 ,18 who will decide it ? Oh thats right the people decide be electing a party into government that has it in a manifesto and the people give that party a amndate to deliver on that policy its really not hard to work that shit out. | |||
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"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/19/alex-salmond-accused-rewriting-history-lifetime-referendum-pledge/ Just thought I would quote this post as some SNP supporters on here seem to be glossing over it and ignoring it. Ah up tops the British newspaper again that is well known to defend the Tories i suppose if people read in the papers a pig can fly they would believe that too The British media really do have people sucked it to believe any out shite do people not get their main reason it to try and sell their newspapers and will put any old shite in them to do that. You don't believe the British press here is a link to a Scottish newspaper.... www.heraldscotland.com/news/13179949.Salmond__it_s_a_once_only_vote___I_won_t_call_another_indyref_if_it_s_No_on_Thursday/ Send all the British newspaper links you want i couldnt care less i wont read them and their money grabbing lying bastards who avoid paying tax but hey if people want to give them their money who am i to stop you more fool you though. Now again this once in a generation crap is getting old yes Alex said it and was an opinion but like i said in nowhere in the Edinburgh Agreement does it say there cant be another referendum on Scottish independence until a generation has passed And even at that who the fuck decides when a generation is ? Will it be 5 , 10 , 20 years now how about 7 ,11 ,14 ,18 who will decide it ? Oh thats right the people decide be electing a party into government that has it in a manifesto and the people give that party a amndate to deliver on that policy its really not hard to work that shit out. " well if you watch you youtube link i just posted Alex Salmond doesn't actually say 'Generation' his exact words are...."once in a lifetime". You heard it from the horses mouth so to speak, i think most people would agree a lifetime is around 70 to 80 years (although life expectancy could be a lot lower in Scotland the way the SNP are running things up there). | |||
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"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/19/alex-salmond-accused-rewriting-history-lifetime-referendum-pledge/ Just thought I would quote this post as some SNP supporters on here seem to be glossing over it and ignoring it. Ah up tops the British newspaper again that is well known to defend the Tories i suppose if people read in the papers a pig can fly they would believe that too The British media really do have people sucked it to believe any out shite do people not get their main reason it to try and sell their newspapers and will put any old shite in them to do that. You don't believe the British press here is a link to a Scottish newspaper.... www.heraldscotland.com/news/13179949.Salmond__it_s_a_once_only_vote___I_won_t_call_another_indyref_if_it_s_No_on_Thursday/ Send all the British newspaper links you want i couldnt care less i wont read them and their money grabbing lying bastards who avoid paying tax but hey if people want to give them their money who am i to stop you more fool you though. Now again this once in a generation crap is getting old yes Alex said it and was an opinion but like i said in nowhere in the Edinburgh Agreement does it say there cant be another referendum on Scottish independence until a generation has passed And even at that who the fuck decides when a generation is ? Will it be 5 , 10 , 20 years now how about 7 ,11 ,14 ,18 who will decide it ? Oh thats right the people decide be electing a party into government that has it in a manifesto and the people give that party a amndate to deliver on that policy its really not hard to work that shit out. well if you watch you youtube link i just posted Alex Salmond doesn't actually say 'Generation' his exact words are...."once in a lifetime". You heard it from the horses mouth so to speak, i think most people would agree a lifetime is around 70 to 80 years (although life expectancy could be a lot lower in Scotland the way the SNP are running things up there). " Ok simple question for you who gets to decide when another referendum on Scottish independence will take place ? | |||
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"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/19/alex-salmond-accused-rewriting-history-lifetime-referendum-pledge/ Just thought I would quote this post as some SNP supporters on here seem to be glossing over it and ignoring it. Ah up tops the British newspaper again that is well known to defend the Tories i suppose if people read in the papers a pig can fly they would believe that too The British media really do have people sucked it to believe any out shite do people not get their main reason it to try and sell their newspapers and will put any old shite in them to do that. You don't believe the British press here is a link to a Scottish newspaper.... www.heraldscotland.com/news/13179949.Salmond__it_s_a_once_only_vote___I_won_t_call_another_indyref_if_it_s_No_on_Thursday/ Send all the British newspaper links you want i couldnt care less i wont read them and their money grabbing lying bastards who avoid paying tax but hey if people want to give them their money who am i to stop you more fool you though. Now again this once in a generation crap is getting old yes Alex said it and was an opinion but like i said in nowhere in the Edinburgh Agreement does it say there cant be another referendum on Scottish independence until a generation has passed And even at that who the fuck decides when a generation is ? Will it be 5 , 10 , 20 years now how about 7 ,11 ,14 ,18 who will decide it ? Oh thats right the people decide be electing a party into government that has it in a manifesto and the people give that party a amndate to deliver on that policy its really not hard to work that shit out. well if you watch you youtube link i just posted Alex Salmond doesn't actually say 'Generation' his exact words are...."once in a lifetime". You heard it from the horses mouth so to speak, i think most people would agree a lifetime is around 70 to 80 years (although life expectancy could be a lot lower in Scotland the way the SNP are running things up there). Ok simple question for you who gets to decide when another referendum on Scottish independence will take place ? " The sitting UK Goverment does. Any referendum is a "reserved" power and not a "devolved" power. | |||
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"Clearly i think people were not listening SNP made it clear they are NOT asking for an independence referendum right now it will be when the brexit deal is known and just before the UK leave the EU to have that independence referendum to allow the Scottish voters that with a majority vote rejected brexit a choose of accepting the brexit deal or choosing independence I cant believe people are ok about denying people the right to change their minds on independence thats not democracy that a dictatorship. Dictatorship??? Its no wonder the SNP like the EU they take the same approach to votes - if they don't like the result they make you vote again and again (given that Indyref 3 has already been trailed because they know what the result of Indyref 2 is). Maybe they should get on with doing something like sorting out the mess of a Scottish Education system that they have presided over? Jesus this is worrying to see that how many do not understand when you vote for a party and their manifesto and the win the election they have a mandate to deliver on their mandate. Same old pish get on with the day job and believe the media yet here lies the problem this was a UK election not on devolved issues but what the SNP mp's would do in Westminster. Also free education is Scotland and free school meals for kids am so glad kids in Scotland will get a free meal while the Tories in England will take that away from kids. " One thing you keep ignoring, whilst bleating on about "democracy".... The UK (Scotland is part of the UK, like it or not) democratically voted to leave the EU. There was a democratic vote, for independence, where the Scottish people voted no. At the recent democratic election the SNP... no matter how you slice it... lost a massive amount of support due to their narrow-minded "Indy2 at all costs" stance. Face it, in general, Scots aren't interested in independence when its down to a democratic decision.... let it go.  | |||
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"If the unionist parties really thought the election shows voters don't want independence why aren't they forcing a referendum on Scotland and call the SNP bluff ? I will tell you why they are all shite feart to have one " And I think with that posting, you finally accept that Independence is dead. The Unionist parties own the status quo; there is no point trying to change it. That's the SNP's task! | |||
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"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/19/alex-salmond-accused-rewriting-history-lifetime-referendum-pledge/ Just thought I would quote this post as some SNP supporters on here seem to be glossing over it and ignoring it. Ah up tops the British newspaper again that is well known to defend the Tories i suppose if people read in the papers a pig can fly they would believe that too The British media really do have people sucked it to believe any out shite do people not get their main reason it to try and sell their newspapers and will put any old shite in them to do that. I think the election result shows the people ignored the lies and smear campaign against corbyn in England.Which is a good sign for the future." Totally agree. I don't see a voluntary re-election instigated by the tories any time soon for that very reason. Also, the reason the 'not in a generation' comment holds no political value in requoting, is that the SNP were voted in in the next election by the largest political mandate in the history of the parliament with that as an aim. Politics are always a state of flux. It's silly to take one off the cuff statement as a lifetime's commitment | |||
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"The snp has a mandate. Let them use it as soon as possible !!!!" Amen to that......the sooner wee Krankie is off the news bulletins and SNP are out of Westminster the better. | |||
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"Totally agree with the poster,sick fed up with Scotland being governed by tories. see..... here is the thing.... with the exception of defence, foreign policy and certain taxation... scotland isn't governed by westminster... it is governed by Holyrood, by the SNP.... you are being jedi mind tricked... because all the stuff that affects you from day to day... health, police, education, social care, transport, farming, fisheries, and now welfare........ is decided from holyrood!! heck... you can even change the income tax and business tax rates if you want by up to +/-3p so when does the SNP actually ever become accountable.... or do they get a free pass on everything on their everlasting mission of independence... Money is not devolved that is in the hands of the Tories. Take a look at what is devolved in Scotland and you will see they are far better run than anywhere in the UK right now. Also seen as the NHS in England are seeing cuts it has effect on our Scottish NHS as again money is not devolved. Police Scotland is the only police force in the UK paying VAT Education is the best in the UK Transport - what people dont know but are too damn well quick to go blame the SNP is most of the problems on the rails are line problems which guess who runs that Network rail which is reversed to Westminster. Welfare - now back in 2014 Home Rule was promised and then the screw- job on the Scotland bill was shafted and welfare Scotland will get some powers on welfare not full control that is NOT Home Rule. The raising income tax was rejected by the Scottish voters only last year in the Scottish election when the Scottish Labour party but it in their manifesto which they failed to tell people that all tax bands would have to either increase or dis-crease so they we asking poor to pay more tax not a winner that is. Bottom line Scotland was promised Home Rule near federal state and yet we have to suffer Tory cuts onto Scotland's budget when Scotland keeps on rejecting the Tories. There is a reason why Westminster are so hell bend on keeping Scotland they know they are screwed without our money if we are subside junkies as UKIP seem to think we are then why the fuck keep Scotland break up the UK and save money but Westminster know where there bread is buttered and thats why they want Scotland. David Cameron fucked up by saying Norway a country of 4 million has as much oil as the UK does and it works very well and Scotland has 5 million and strange that we cant be independent and be well off as the break up of the UK Scotland takes back the oil then there is food , drink , tourism to name a few " The snp were warned many times that a national police force has to pay cat. they chose to ignore that an press on with the issue. | |||
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"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/19/alex-salmond-accused-rewriting-history-lifetime-referendum-pledge/ Just thought I would quote this post as some SNP supporters on here seem to be glossing over it and ignoring it. Ah up tops the British newspaper again that is well known to defend the Tories i suppose if people read in the papers a pig can fly they would believe that too The British media really do have people sucked it to believe any out shite do people not get their main reason it to try and sell their newspapers and will put any old shite in them to do that. Would you like me to find you a link of video footage of Alex Salmond saying it? I'm sure there is one around on YouTube somewhere. I'm also pretty sure it was covered in the Scottish press when Alex Salmond said that indyref1 was a once in a generation/lifetime vote. " Did you not no MI6 doctor sound recordings to make the snp sound bad | |||
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"Of course independence is alive...It is just suffering a case of being found out as the complete and utter disaster it always was going to be. To challenge unionists and describe us as "Chicken Shits" Well really i thought all you SNP types were "All inclusive" "Friendly" "Welcoming"..Instead as 2014 showed your a nasty bunch of zealots, who broker no dissent and call your fellow Scots "Quislings".....Your all so bitter and twisted in your hatred of your fellow countrymen...so so sad "Ok to make it more clear the UK government are chicken shits and has no ball's Ruth Davidson said no would win by a bigger margin well put your money with your mouth is then They claim the majority dont want one time for them to prove what they claim as people have changed their minds since 2014 and to deny them that right is living under a dictatorship Also please dont try and paint the pro union side as angels as that is not true 19th set George Sq proved that was an embarrassment Oh and btw when it comes to the Tories i have fucking no problem calling them for what they are scumbags and so is the DUP. I get people believe in the UK union fair enough but in 2014 is was upto the UK to prove it was a family of nations and one day after we have EVEL oh fuck how that will come back to bite the Tories in the arse now 318 Tory mps 12 of the Scottish mp's and they will be banned from voting on English matters say like Grammer schools and Fox hunting and that why wee May is u-turning on her own manifesto how embarrassing is that the world is watching and laughing at the UK right now | |||
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"You see unlike you i have no hatred in my heart for Tories. Labour, Lib Dems, yes even Snp.....What i cannot stomach is Nicola telling us all about austerity and how Westminster is doing us down. All thoughts you echo.. Yet the truth is she had the power to change that...But she would rather Scots suffer to keep her political ambitions alive. That is not leadership, that is not putting Scotland first....... "Thats your opinion fair enough but i like many other do hater everything the Tories stand for nothing but scumbags that punish the poor and disabled nothing great about that. So you think Westminster is working wonders for Scotland then ? Do you think austerity cuts should be forced onto Scotland's budget when Scotland rejected the Tories ? Ok i keep hearing this from pro union supporters so which powers do you want the Scottish government to use ? Are you happy just for the Scottish government to clean up Tory mess all the time by mitigating Tory polices ? So which party does put Scotland first then ? Remember family of nations and that so which party do you think cares about Scotland as its clear you think its not SNP so can you name just one ? Remember the 9 billion the Tories were planning to shaft Scotland with where was the thanks to the Scottish government to make sure Scotland were not gonna be 9 billion worse off Or how about when ship yards , steel works and the NHS and the EU were all suppose to be safe in the UK where was the thanks to the SNP for saving ship yards and steel work jobs when they found buyers which was suppose to be safe in the UK Also pro union supporters keep saying the NHS is in chaos yet i remember being told in 2014 it was safe in the UK yet here is the very same pro union supporters claiming is now not safe in the UK go figure Lies , lies , lies and onto of more lies and you wonder why independence has not gone away and will never go away. | |||
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