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Censorship, propaganda and political bias in the General Election.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes and why is nobody calling for Theresa may's resignation for failing to protect us from a terrorist attack.. she was Home Secretary before being pm. nobody is more responsible for both cutting the budget of the police and failing to control who comes into the country. |
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"Am I the only one totally appalled by the open censorship, propaganda and subliminal political bias in favour of the Tories being seen and heard across the broadcast media?
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If you think that's bad, here in Scotland we have to put up with the additional bias against independence!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Am I the only one totally appalled by the open censorship, propaganda and subliminal political bias in favour of the Tories being seen and heard across the broadcast media?
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I'm sure there are equal numbers seeing opposite bias. Most studies into perceptions of balance/bias state that people's initial beliefs skew their perception of such. I've seen several items where I could agree with you...and just as many the opposite way.
Loved your comment on "subliminal" bias. By definition if such a thing existed then you wouldn't know......if you did know then it can't be subliminal. |
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over a year ago
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I have never known it be any different, on either side there is always the perception that things are biased towards the other side 
No matter how hard the media try to balance someone always says it's swayed towards the other side |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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I've not seen any outstanding piece of political bias, all seems to be on what can be expected.
I've seen interviews with diverse groups such as BNP, SWP, Young People's Party, Libertarians etc, so everyone is getting a chance. |
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"I'm sure there are equal numbers seeing opposite bias. Most studies into perceptions of balance/bias state that people's initial beliefs skew their perception of such. I've seen several items where I could agree with you...and just as many the opposite way.
Loved your comment on "subliminal" bias. By definition if such a thing existed then you wouldn't know......if you did know then it can't be subliminal."
Well lets see if i can convince you that I may have noticed something that the vast majority would have missed and would therefore be reasonably classed as subliminal bias.
Last nights BBC News at 10 had it usual coverage of the election. However the very last statement to camera by the reporter said "11 days after the 8th of June Mrs May [then named the cabinet brexit team] and others begin negotiations with Europe".
That last statement infers that the Conservatives have already won and will suppress anti Tory votes.
Then if one wants an example of blatant censorship one only has to look at the i tunes download chart 'liar liar' is at no2 but has been banned by every UK broadcaster because it's content is inflammatory...
Now regardless of political affiliations I can see no reason to ban this song other than it points out Mrs Mays record on breaking her word. Therefore its ban must be censorship.
https://youtu.be/HxN1STgQXW8
Listen to it and make up your own minds. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sure there are equal numbers seeing opposite bias. Most studies into perceptions of balance/bias state that people's initial beliefs skew their perception of such. I've seen several items where I could agree with you...and just as many the opposite way.
Loved your comment on "subliminal" bias. By definition if such a thing existed then you wouldn't know......if you did know then it can't be subliminal.
Well lets see if i can convince you that I may have noticed something that the vast majority would have missed and would therefore be reasonably classed as subliminal bias.
Last nights BBC News at 10 had it usual coverage of the election. However the very last statement to camera by the reporter said "11 days after the 8th of June Mrs May [then named the cabinet brexit team] and others begin negotiations with Europe".
That last statement infers that the Conservatives have already won and will suppress anti Tory votes.
Then if one wants an example of blatant censorship one only has to look at the i tunes download chart 'liar liar' is at no2 but has been banned by every UK broadcaster because it's content is inflammatory...
Now regardless of political affiliations I can see no reason to ban this song other than it points out Mrs Mays record on breaking her word. Therefore its ban must be censorship.
https://youtu.be/HxN1STgQXW8
Listen to it and make up your own minds."
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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i would say there is a bias in newspaper coverage... but we all already know that....
I don't think there is such a bias in Broadcast coverage..... I have just come to the conclusion that May for example isn't as good in front of a TV camera as Corbyn is......
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"Yes and why is nobody calling for Theresa may's resignation for failing to protect us from a terrorist attack.. she was Home Secretary before being pm. nobody is more responsible for both cutting the budget of the police and failing to control who comes into the country. "
Did you call for the resignation of Tony Blair when the 7/7 attack happened? He was Prime Minister at the time and the Labour party oversaw the biggest jump in immigration in recent British history between 1997 and 2010 when they were in government. |
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"Did you call for the resignation of Tony Blair when the 7/7 attack happened? He was Prime Minister at the time and the Labour party oversaw the biggest jump in immigration in recent British history between 1997 and 2010 when they were in government. "
No, but Blair did not oversea cuts police budgets of approximately 30%, May did. |
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"Is your tin foil hat not working? "
Actually it is doing things like that that got Trump elected in the USA, and funnily enough I smell the whiff of Cambridge Analytica in this election too. I can think of no other reason why so many would ignore May and her parties record over the last 7 years and accept all the anti Corbyn/Abbot shit so willingly, while accepting all the lies and U turns of the Tories as proof that she will be a strong negotiator when clearly she will be a liability. |
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"Is your tin foil hat not working?
Actually it is doing things like that that got Trump elected in the USA, and funnily enough I smell the whiff of Cambridge Analytica in this election too. I can think of no other reason why so many would ignore May and her parties record over the last 7 years and accept all the anti Corbyn/Abbot shit so willingly, while accepting all the lies and U turns of the Tories as proof that she will be a strong negotiator when clearly she will be a liability."
Speaking of running away from records it was Jeremy Corbyn who looked like he was running away from his past the other night on the sky news/channel 4 debate when he became very evasive about his comments/history with the IRA, Hamas, Hezbollah and the Falklands. |
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"Is your tin foil hat not working?
Actually it is doing things like that that got Trump elected in the USA, and funnily enough I smell the whiff of Cambridge Analytica in this election too. I can think of no other reason why so many would ignore May and her parties record over the last 7 years and accept all the anti Corbyn/Abbot shit so willingly, while accepting all the lies and U turns of the Tories as proof that she will be a strong negotiator when clearly she will be a liability.
Speaking of running away from records it was Jeremy Corbyn who looked like he was running away from his past the other night on the sky news/channel 4 debate when he became very evasive about his comments/history with the IRA, Hamas, Hezbollah and the Falklands. "
he wasnt beung evasive, just more stupid dirt the media want to label him with. ge was trying to secure peace.
no question of tory support hanging on mandela.
no question of pinochet who came as maggies guest.
no question of hurd meeting ira well before corbyn
no question rubbing shoukders with kniwn dictators and terroridts around the world.
you need to start questioning what the media is trying to tell you. |
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By *VBethTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Yes and why is nobody calling for Theresa may's resignation for failing to protect us from a terrorist attack.. she was Home Secretary before being pm. nobody is more responsible for both cutting the budget of the police and failing to control who comes into the country. "
Because that would be ludicrous. It's totally impossible to prevent every terrorist attack. Can you imagine how many PMs and Home Secretaries we'd have got through in the IRA days? They wouldn't have had time to get their chair warm. We had a crapload more police then too. |
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"I would normaly vote for labour, however with corbyns links to the ira i just cant bring myself to do it am i just being brainwashed by the media???"
he had irish constituents, he was looking for peace deals.
not some donor or bomb maker like the tory councillor |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"I would normaly vote for labour, however with corbyns links to the ira i just cant bring myself to do it am i just being brainwashed by the media???"
Depends.
Nobody is denying Corbyn met them - he was instrumental to Mo Mowlam in the second peace process.
However; Thatcher also met them (but in secret). Hurd met them, There's a Tory councillor who was in the IRA and another who bankrolled them (in part).
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit? |
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"I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit?"
It's not just Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnel are IRA sympathisers too. Diane Abbott said in the 1980's, "Ireland is our struggle, we see every defeat of the British state as a victory". John McDonnel was asked by a journalist what he would do if he could travel back in time? His answer...."I'd go back and assassinate Margaret Thatcher". |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I have never known it be any different, on either side there is always the perception that things are biased towards the other side
No matter how hard the media try to balance someone always says it's swayed towards the other side "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit?"
it's bullshit |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit?
It's not just Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnel are IRA sympathisers too. Diane Abbott said in the 1980's, "Ireland is our struggle, we see every defeat of the British state as a victory". John McDonnel was asked by a journalist what he would do if he could travel back in time? His answer...."I'd go back and assassinate Margaret Thatcher". "
At least they weren't actually in the IRA or bankrolling it, eh? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"I'm sure there are equal numbers seeing opposite bias. Most studies into perceptions of balance/bias state that people's initial beliefs skew their perception of such. I've seen several items where I could agree with you...and just as many the opposite way.
Loved your comment on "subliminal" bias. By definition if such a thing existed then you wouldn't know......if you did know then it can't be subliminal.
Well lets see if i can convince you that I may have noticed something that the vast majority would have missed and would therefore be reasonably classed as subliminal bias.
Last nights BBC News at 10 had it usual coverage of the election. However the very last statement to camera by the reporter said "11 days after the 8th of June Mrs May [then named the cabinet brexit team] and others begin negotiations with Europe".
That last statement infers that the Conservatives have already won and will suppress anti Tory votes.
Then if one wants an example of blatant censorship one only has to look at the i tunes download chart 'liar liar' is at no2 but has been banned by every UK broadcaster because it's content is inflammatory...
Now regardless of political affiliations I can see no reason to ban this song other than it points out Mrs Mays record on breaking her word. Therefore its ban must be censorship.
https://youtu.be/HxN1STgQXW8
Listen to it and make up your own minds."
It's actually not on any playlists due to election impartiality rules. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit?
It's not just Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnel are IRA sympathisers too. Diane Abbott said in the 1980's, "Ireland is our struggle, we see every defeat of the British state as a victory". John McDonnel was asked by a journalist what he would do if he could travel back in time? His answer...."I'd go back and assassinate Margaret Thatcher". "
proper links to sources? because that is utterly made up bullshit too |
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"I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit?"
like i said he had to deal with a lot of irish constitituents, whatver side yoyure on there are two sides to the story.
he probably had loads complaints from his constituents from families living in the irish troubles.
im sure he would prefer going to no funerals |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit?
It's not just Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnel are IRA sympathisers too. Diane Abbott said in the 1980's, "Ireland is our struggle, we see every defeat of the British state as a victory". John McDonnel was asked by a journalist what he would do if he could travel back in time? His answer...."I'd go back and assassinate Margaret Thatcher".
proper links to sources? because that is utterly made up bullshit too "
Of course its bullshit, so much so that I felt it wasn't worth even bothering to address. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit?like i said he had to deal with a lot of irish constitituents, whatver side yoyure on there are two sides to the story.
he probably had loads complaints from his constituents from families living in the irish troubles.
im sure he would prefer going to no funerals "
Hmm ok i understand your point ofcourse, but did he not see the IRA as a threat to british/Irish people? If so why would you support a group who take actions like that? I understand it happend on both sides. But it almost feels to me that lets its a case of well perhaps they have a point so lets let them of with it?? As much as hes against violance it almost seems as if it hes saying its ok to murder if you think your right your doing it for a just cause? |
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"I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit?
It's not just Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnel are IRA sympathisers too. Diane Abbott said in the 1980's, "Ireland is our struggle, we see every defeat of the British state as a victory". John McDonnel was asked by a journalist what he would do if he could travel back in time? His answer...."I'd go back and assassinate Margaret Thatcher".
proper links to sources? because that is utterly made up bullshit too "
It's true and you know it. Besides what ever links I post you'll just come out with the usual Daily Fail/alt reich/Breitbart/Murdoch labels bullshit you usually spew out on here. So use Google and find your own links. McDonnel in partucular has been given a severe grilling on his past comments about the IRA several times when he has been on BBC Question Time and its never ended well for him. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit?like i said he had to deal with a lot of irish constitituents, whatver side yoyure on there are two sides to the story.
he probably had loads complaints from his constituents from families living in the irish troubles.
im sure he would prefer going to no funerals
Hmm ok i understand your point ofcourse, but did he not see the IRA as a threat to british/Irish people? If so why would you support a group who take actions like that? I understand it happend on both sides. But it almost feels to me that lets its a case of well perhaps they have a point so lets let them of with it?? As much as hes against violance it almost seems as if it hes saying its ok to murder if you think your right your doing it for a just cause?"
I think there is a world of difference between wanting a peace process and supporting the IRA. Howver, being actually in the IRA or indeed, helping them bankroll is definitley supporting them... |
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"I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit?
It's not just Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnel are IRA sympathisers too. Diane Abbott said in the 1980's, "Ireland is our struggle, we see every defeat of the British state as a victory". John McDonnel was asked by a journalist what he would do if he could travel back in time? His answer...."I'd go back and assassinate Margaret Thatcher".
proper links to sources? because that is utterly made up bullshit too
It's true and you know it. Besides what ever links I post you'll just come out with the usual Daily Fail/alt reich/Breitbart/Murdoch labels bullshit you usually spew out on here. So use Google and find your own links. McDonnel in partucular has been given a severe grilling on his past comments about the IRA several times when he has been on BBC Question Time and its never ended well for him. "
no links then? .... like i said, bullshit |
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"I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit?
It's not just Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnel are IRA sympathisers too. Diane Abbott said in the 1980's, "Ireland is our struggle, we see every defeat of the British state as a victory". John McDonnel was asked by a journalist what he would do if he could travel back in time? His answer...."I'd go back and assassinate Margaret Thatcher".
proper links to sources? because that is utterly made up bullshit too
It's true and you know it. Besides what ever links I post you'll just come out with the usual Daily Fail/alt reich/Breitbart/Murdoch labels bullshit you usually spew out on here. So use Google and find your own links. McDonnel in partucular has been given a severe grilling on his past comments about the IRA several times when he has been on BBC Question Time and its never ended well for him.
no links then? .... like i said, bullshit"
Ahh bless, look he doesn't know how to use Google.  |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Like the USA?"
And again:
The Councillor:Maria Gatland
The hedge fund manager: Lord James of Blackheath
Re: The USA - they have never been shy about admitting they helped the IRA. The USA couldn't give a monkey's fuck what the UK govt' think of anything they do. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit?
It's not just Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnel are IRA sympathisers too. Diane Abbott said in the 1980's, "Ireland is our struggle, we see every defeat of the British state as a victory". John McDonnel was asked by a journalist what he would do if he could travel back in time? His answer...."I'd go back and assassinate Margaret Thatcher".
proper links to sources? because that is utterly made up bullshit too
Of course its bullshit, so much so that I felt it wasn't worth even bothering to address. "
He said it in June 2010 at a conference in Southport.
Some on this forum really do need to start checking facts, facts that are easily available, before posting. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit?
It's not just Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnel are IRA sympathisers too. Diane Abbott said in the 1980's, "Ireland is our struggle, we see every defeat of the British state as a victory". John McDonnel was asked by a journalist what he would do if he could travel back in time? His answer...."I'd go back and assassinate Margaret Thatcher".
proper links to sources? because that is utterly made up bullshit too
It's true and you know it. Besides what ever links I post you'll just come out with the usual Daily Fail/alt reich/Breitbart/Murdoch labels bullshit you usually spew out on here. So use Google and find your own links. McDonnel in partucular has been given a severe grilling on his past comments about the IRA several times when he has been on BBC Question Time and its never ended well for him.
no links then? .... like i said, bullshit
Ahh bless, look he doesn't know how to use Google. "
Nor, it seems, do you. Also you appear not to know how the burden of proof works. |
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"I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit?
It's not just Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnel are IRA sympathisers too. Diane Abbott said in the 1980's, "Ireland is our struggle, we see every defeat of the British state as a victory". John McDonnel was asked by a journalist what he would do if he could travel back in time? His answer...."I'd go back and assassinate Margaret Thatcher".
proper links to sources? because that is utterly made up bullshit too
Of course its bullshit, so much so that I felt it wasn't worth even bothering to address.
He said it in June 2010 at a conference in Southport.
Some on this forum really do need to start checking facts, facts that are easily available, before posting."
Too dumb to use Google is what my money is on, not hard to check now is it. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit?
It's not just Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnel are IRA sympathisers too. Diane Abbott said in the 1980's, "Ireland is our struggle, we see every defeat of the British state as a victory". John McDonnel was asked by a journalist what he would do if he could travel back in time? His answer...."I'd go back and assassinate Margaret Thatcher".
proper links to sources? because that is utterly made up bullshit too
Of course its bullshit, so much so that I felt it wasn't worth even bothering to address.
He said it in June 2010 at a conference in Southport.
Some on this forum really do need to start checking facts, facts that are easily available, before posting.
Too dumb to use Google is what my money is on, not hard to check now is it. "
Why should we? See: burden of proof. |
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"Some on this forum really do need to start checking facts, facts that are easily available, before posting."
so where if the proper links that show you have checked you facts before posting? |
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"I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit?
It's not just Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnel are IRA sympathisers too. Diane Abbott said in the 1980's, "Ireland is our struggle, we see every defeat of the British state as a victory". John McDonnel was asked by a journalist what he would do if he could travel back in time? His answer...."I'd go back and assassinate Margaret Thatcher".
proper links to sources? because that is utterly made up bullshit too
It's true and you know it. Besides what ever links I post you'll just come out with the usual Daily Fail/alt reich/Breitbart/Murdoch labels bullshit you usually spew out on here. So use Google and find your own links. McDonnel in partucular has been given a severe grilling on his past comments about the IRA several times when he has been on BBC Question Time and its never ended well for him.
no links then? .... like i said, bullshit
Ahh bless, look he doesn't know how to use Google.
Nor, it seems, do you. Also you appear not to know how the burden of proof works. "
Someone who knows how to use Google already checked for you seeing as you couldn't be arsed to do it yoursel.  |
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"I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit?
It's not just Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnel are IRA sympathisers too. Diane Abbott said in the 1980's, "Ireland is our struggle, we see every defeat of the British state as a victory". John McDonnel was asked by a journalist what he would do if he could travel back in time? His answer...."I'd go back and assassinate Margaret Thatcher".
proper links to sources? because that is utterly made up bullshit too
Of course its bullshit, so much so that I felt it wasn't worth even bothering to address.
He said it in June 2010 at a conference in Southport.
Some on this forum really do need to start checking facts, facts that are easily available, before posting.
Too dumb to use Google is what my money is on, not hard to check now is it.
Why should we? See: burden of proof. "
See: post by Mercury who gave date and place it was said by McDonnel. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit?
It's not just Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnel are IRA sympathisers too. Diane Abbott said in the 1980's, "Ireland is our struggle, we see every defeat of the British state as a victory". John McDonnel was asked by a journalist what he would do if he could travel back in time? His answer...."I'd go back and assassinate Margaret Thatcher".
proper links to sources? because that is utterly made up bullshit too
Of course its bullshit, so much so that I felt it wasn't worth even bothering to address.
He said it in June 2010 at a conference in Southport.
Some on this forum really do need to start checking facts, facts that are easily available, before posting.
Too dumb to use Google is what my money is on, not hard to check now is it.
Why should we? See: burden of proof.
See: post by Mercury who gave date and place it was said by McDonnel. "
Yeah. Is there an actual source?
No?
It was you who made the assertion, not your friend, one who may have actually checked it. |
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"I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit?
It's not just Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnel are IRA sympathisers too. Diane Abbott said in the 1980's, "Ireland is our struggle, we see every defeat of the British state as a victory". John McDonnel was asked by a journalist what he would do if he could travel back in time? His answer...."I'd go back and assassinate Margaret Thatcher".
proper links to sources? because that is utterly made up bullshit too
Of course its bullshit, so much so that I felt it wasn't worth even bothering to address.
He said it in June 2010 at a conference in Southport.
Some on this forum really do need to start checking facts, facts that are easily available, before posting.
Too dumb to use Google is what my money is on, not hard to check now is it.
Why should we? See: burden of proof.
See: post by Mercury who gave date and place it was said by McDonnel.
Yeah. Is there an actual source?
No?
It was you who made the assertion, not your friend, one who may have actually checked it. "
He said it was an 'easily available' fact to check. Now run along and put it into Google if you are really that bothered about it. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit?
It's not just Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnel are IRA sympathisers too. Diane Abbott said in the 1980's, "Ireland is our struggle, we see every defeat of the British state as a victory". John McDonnel was asked by a journalist what he would do if he could travel back in time? His answer...."I'd go back and assassinate Margaret Thatcher".
proper links to sources? because that is utterly made up bullshit too
Of course its bullshit, so much so that I felt it wasn't worth even bothering to address.
He said it in June 2010 at a conference in Southport.
Some on this forum really do need to start checking facts, facts that are easily available, before posting.
Too dumb to use Google is what my money is on, not hard to check now is it.
Why should we? See: burden of proof.
See: post by Mercury who gave date and place it was said by McDonnel.
Yeah. Is there an actual source?
No?
It was you who made the assertion, not your friend, one who may have actually checked it.
He said it was an 'easily available' fact to check. Now run along and put it into Google if you are really that bothered about it. "
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"I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit?
It's not just Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnel are IRA sympathisers too. Diane Abbott said in the 1980's, "Ireland is our struggle, we see every defeat of the British state as a victory". John McDonnel was asked by a journalist what he would do if he could travel back in time? His answer...."I'd go back and assassinate Margaret Thatcher".
proper links to sources? because that is utterly made up bullshit too
Of course its bullshit, so much so that I felt it wasn't worth even bothering to address.
He said it in June 2010 at a conference in Southport.
Some on this forum really do need to start checking facts, facts that are easily available, before posting.
Too dumb to use Google is what my money is on, not hard to check now is it.
Why should we? See: burden of proof.
See: post by Mercury who gave date and place it was said by McDonnel.
Yeah. Is there an actual source?
No?
It was you who made the assertion, not your friend, one who may have actually checked it.
He said it was an 'easily available' fact to check. Now run along and put it into Google if you are really that bothered about it.
So; thats no source at all then?"
like i said .... complete and utter bullshit .... trying the onus probandi fallacy and following it up with the ol'
argumentum ad verecundiam fallacy .... weak!! continuing to indulge this alt reich bullshit is wasting everyones time |
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"I understand he was only looking for peace which i think is very good. However what about him attenting IRA supporter funerals but never the british soilder? Or is that bullshit?
It's not just Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnel are IRA sympathisers too. Diane Abbott said in the 1980's, "Ireland is our struggle, we see every defeat of the British state as a victory". John McDonnel was asked by a journalist what he would do if he could travel back in time? His answer...."I'd go back and assassinate Margaret Thatcher".
proper links to sources? because that is utterly made up bullshit too
Of course its bullshit, so much so that I felt it wasn't worth even bothering to address.
He said it in June 2010 at a conference in Southport.
Some on this forum really do need to start checking facts, facts that are easily available, before posting.
Too dumb to use Google is what my money is on, not hard to check now is it.
Why should we? See: burden of proof.
See: post by Mercury who gave date and place it was said by McDonnel.
Yeah. Is there an actual source?
No?
It was you who made the assertion, not your friend, one who may have actually checked it.
He said it was an 'easily available' fact to check. Now run along and put it into Google if you are really that bothered about it.
So; thats no source at all then?"
I found lots of sources on Google. Pretty sure Mercury did do if he said they are 'easily available' facts to check. I notice you didn't post any links for the claims you made about tory donors to the IRA earlier so that must be bullshit too right? |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lords-stunned-by-tory-peers-ira-funding-claim-2126723.html
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/maria-gatland-from-terrorist-to-tory-28457193.html
See? Easy. |
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"http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lords-stunned-by-tory-peers-ira-funding-claim-2126723.html
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/maria-gatland-from-terrorist-to-tory-28457193.html
See? Easy. "
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"http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lords-stunned-by-tory-peers-ira-funding-claim-2126723.html
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/maria-gatland-from-terrorist-to-tory-28457193.html
See? Easy.
schooled "
Not quite....
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/7808953/John-McDonnell-says-he-would-like-to-assassinate-Margaret-Thatcher.html |
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"http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lords-stunned-by-tory-peers-ira-funding-claim-2126723.html
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/maria-gatland-from-terrorist-to-tory-28457193.html
See? Easy.
schooled
Not quite....
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/7808953/John-McDonnell-says-he-would-like-to-assassinate-Margaret-Thatcher.html"
oh and the Diane Abbott one....
www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2017/what-you-want-me-to-regret-labours-diane-abbott-pressed-over-proira-comments-35764082.html |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"it's just more alt reich made up bullshit post truth alternative facts "
Those that follow my posts know that I deal in fact. If it's not true, then I don't say it.
And I find it rather ironic that you take me to task about facts and sources, when some months ago, you posted spurious claims about the Falklands War. Claims that you couldn't back up when called out over them, claims that you posted to fit your political agenda but all without factual basis and without any source.
The purpose of sensible debate is to educate. Opinions are personal but facts are universal. |
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over a year ago
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"Am I the only one totally appalled by the open censorship, propaganda and subliminal political bias in favour of the Tories being seen and heard across the broadcast media?
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Me too |
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"it's just more alt reich made up bullshit post truth alternative facts
Those that follow my posts know that I deal in fact. If it's not true, then I don't say it.
And I find it rather ironic that you take me to task about facts and sources, when some months ago, you posted spurious claims about the Falklands War. Claims that you couldn't back up when called out over them, claims that you posted to fit your political agenda but all without factual basis and without any source.
The purpose of sensible debate is to educate. Opinions are personal but facts are universal."
Actually the purpose of debate in here is to spin the facts.
So lets spin
How about Douglas hurd meeting the IRA in 1977. According to former IRA activist Danny Morrison, senior Tories secretly met IRA leaders in 1977 – when the terrorist organisation was at the height of its bombing Hurd’s meeting with the IRA would have taken place at the height of the IRA’s military campaign which involved murders of British soldiers as well as civilians.
It would also have been just a short time after a 15-month-old baby boy was killed in a car bomb explosion planted by the IRA at Harmin Park, Glengormley in January 1977.
Fucking tory terrorist sympathizers . |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"it's just more alt reich made up bullshit post truth alternative facts
Those that follow my posts know that I deal in fact. If it's not true, then I don't say it.
And I find it rather ironic that you take me to task about facts and sources, when some months ago, you posted spurious claims about the Falklands War. Claims that you couldn't back up when called out over them, claims that you posted to fit your political agenda but all without factual basis and without any source.
The purpose of sensible debate is to educate. Opinions are personal but facts are universal. Actually the purpose of debate in here is to spin the facts.
So lets spin
How about Douglas hurd meeting the IRA in 1977. According to former IRA activist Danny Morrison, senior Tories secretly met IRA leaders in 1977 – when the terrorist organisation was at the height of its bombing Hurd’s meeting with the IRA would have taken place at the height of the IRA’s military campaign which involved murders of British soldiers as well as civilians.
It would also have been just a short time after a 15-month-old baby boy was killed in a car bomb explosion planted by the IRA at Harmin Park, Glengormley in January 1977.
Fucking tory terrorist sympathizers ."
You missed out the meetings between Harold Wilson and the IRA in 1971, 1974 and 1975.
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"it's just more alt reich made up bullshit post truth alternative facts
Those that follow my posts know that I deal in fact. If it's not true, then I don't say it.
And I find it rather ironic that you take me to task about facts and sources, when some months ago, you posted spurious claims about the Falklands War. Claims that you couldn't back up when called out over them, claims that you posted to fit your political agenda but all without factual basis and without any source.
The purpose of sensible debate is to educate. Opinions are personal but facts are universal. Actually the purpose of debate in here is to spin the facts.
So lets spin
How about Douglas hurd meeting the IRA in 1977. According to former IRA activist Danny Morrison, senior Tories secretly met IRA leaders in 1977 – when the terrorist organisation was at the height of its bombing Hurd’s meeting with the IRA would have taken place at the height of the IRA’s military campaign which involved murders of British soldiers as well as civilians.
It would also have been just a short time after a 15-month-old baby boy was killed in a car bomb explosion planted by the IRA at Harmin Park, Glengormley in January 1977.
Fucking tory terrorist sympathizers .
You missed out the meetings between Harold Wilson and the IRA in 1971, 1974 and 1975.
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Scumbags one and all.. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"it's just more alt reich made up bullshit post truth alternative facts
Those that follow my posts know that I deal in fact. If it's not true, then I don't say it.
And I find it rather ironic that you take me to task about facts and sources, when some months ago, you posted spurious claims about the Falklands War. Claims that you couldn't back up when called out over them, claims that you posted to fit your political agenda but all without factual basis and without any source.
The purpose of sensible debate is to educate. Opinions are personal but facts are universal. Actually the purpose of debate in here is to spin the facts.
So lets spin
How about Douglas hurd meeting the IRA in 1977. According to former IRA activist Danny Morrison, senior Tories secretly met IRA leaders in 1977 – when the terrorist organisation was at the height of its bombing Hurd’s meeting with the IRA would have taken place at the height of the IRA’s military campaign which involved murders of British soldiers as well as civilians.
It would also have been just a short time after a 15-month-old baby boy was killed in a car bomb explosion planted by the IRA at Harmin Park, Glengormley in January 1977.
Fucking tory terrorist sympathizers .
You missed out the meetings between Harold Wilson and the IRA in 1971, 1974 and 1975.
Scumbags one and all.. "
And that we agree on. Although, history will tell us if this is where the 1997 peace process had its tentative beginnings |
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Getting back to the main subject, I notice that the BBC are claiming 'there was no clear winner' in last nights tv debate.
Given that May was, and still is, being wildly criticised for not turning up would, to my mind, imply there was at least a loser. |
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This whole fucking IRA conversation is a left wing conspiracy to avoid talking about the elephant in the room, the debt crisis.
Corbyn can't afford his manifesto. It's all predicated on collecting a level of tax that never has and never will be achieved. It's called the tax to gdp ratio, look it up before you say "his manifesto has been costed". The IFS say "at least" a £9bn black hole". Corbyn = more debt. |
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"This whole fucking IRA conversation is a left wing conspiracy to avoid talking about the elephant in the room, the debt crisis.
Corbyn can't afford his manifesto. It's all predicated on collecting a level of tax that never has and never will be achieved. It's called the tax to gdp ratio, look it up before you say "his manifesto has been costed". The IFS say "at least" a £9bn black hole". Corbyn = more debt. "
So is this censorship, propaganda or bias?
Or just your own brand of bias? |
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"This whole fucking IRA conversation is a left wing conspiracy to avoid talking about the elephant in the room, the debt crisis.
Corbyn can't afford his manifesto. It's all predicated on collecting a level of tax that never has and never will be achieved. It's called the tax to gdp ratio, look it up before you say "his manifesto has been costed". The IFS say "at least" a £9bn black hole". Corbyn = more debt.
So is this censorship, propaganda or bias?
Or just your own brand of bias?"
Highlighting the point that was nailed in the 4th post, we all see what we want to. Personally i think every conversation that gets corbyn off money is a gift to him, like the entire paxman interview the other night that appeared to give him a hard time. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"This whole fucking IRA conversation is a left wing conspiracy to avoid talking about the elephant in the room, the debt crisis.
Corbyn can't afford his manifesto. It's all predicated on collecting a level of tax that never has and never will be achieved. It's called the tax to gdp ratio, look it up before you say "his manifesto has been costed". The IFS say "at least" a £9bn black hole". Corbyn = more debt. "
A left wing conspiracy? That's a bit tin foil hat to me. Considering the number of people that still see the IRA thing as a reason not to vote for him I very much doubt it is a left wing plan to make him get more votes.
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"This whole fucking IRA conversation is a left wing conspiracy to avoid talking about the elephant in the room, the debt crisis.
Corbyn can't afford his manifesto. It's all predicated on collecting a level of tax that never has and never will be achieved. It's called the tax to gdp ratio, look it up before you say "his manifesto has been costed". The IFS say "at least" a £9bn black hole". Corbyn = more debt.
A left wing conspiracy? That's a bit tin foil hat to me. Considering the number of people that still see the IRA thing as a reason not to vote for him I very much doubt it is a left wing plan to make him get more votes.
-Matt"
If that's the only reason they can think of not to vote for him them they need help |
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"The content of the debate will largely be forgotten, less so will be that she ducked it.."
I think thats what everyone took away from the debate. TM called an election and couldn't face a debate and therefore shes a very arrogant woman.The other parties ruthlessly hammered that point home.
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"The content of the debate will largely be forgotten, less so will be that she ducked it.. I think thats what everyone took away from the debate. TM called an election and couldn't face a debate and therefore shes a very arrogant woman.The other parties ruthlessly hammered that point home."
And when she wins it will hammer home the fact that only a tiny proportion of voters watch debates with any intention of changing their vote. |
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"The content of the debate will largely be forgotten, less so will be that she ducked it.. I think thats what everyone took away from the debate. TM called an election and couldn't face a debate and therefore shes a very arrogant woman.The other parties ruthlessly hammered that point home.
And when she wins it will hammer home the fact that only a tiny proportion of voters watch debates with any intention of changing their vote."
i think ive read 40% of the electorate switch between parties these days compated to 15% in the past.I guess you are another plastic tory..trembling in fear at the shambolic tory manifesto |
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"The content of the debate will largely be forgotten, less so will be that she ducked it.. I think thats what everyone took away from the debate. TM called an election and couldn't face a debate and therefore shes a very arrogant woman.The other parties ruthlessly hammered that point home.
And when she wins it will hammer home the fact that only a tiny proportion of voters watch debates with any intention of changing their vote. i think ive read 40% of the electorate switch between parties these days compated to 15% in the past.I guess you are another plastic tory..trembling in fear at the shambolic tory manifesto "
No and no. 40% of people polled before the 2015 election said they hadn't decided who to vote for. That's not to same thing as switching a vote. Fuck knows where they find these people as well, probably the kind of people who answer surveys outside primark. |
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