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"Looks like a landslide turnaround in government then!" | |||
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"There's a politics section you know, just saying " oh man is there, sorry I am new round here so did not know, might not get much responce then | |||
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"I can follow the thread request. Tory." FTFY | |||
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"No one" By spoiling vote and making your abstain count, or just not turning up? | |||
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"There's a politics section you know, just saying oh man is there, sorry I am new round here so did not know, might not get much responce then " You'll get responses from more normal people here. Once it gets moved to the Politics forum, the 10 who dwell there will give stock answers.... | |||
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"There's a politics section you know, just saying oh man is there, sorry I am new round here so did not know, might not get much responce then You'll get responses from more normal people here. Once it gets moved to the Politics forum, the 10 who dwell there will give stock answers.... " So true!!! | |||
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"No one By spoiling vote and making your abstain count, or just not turning up?" Spoiling my vote | |||
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"No one By spoiling vote and making your abstain count, or just not turning up? Spoiling my vote" | |||
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"There's a politics section you know, just saying oh man is there, sorry I am new round here so did not know, might not get much responce then You'll get responses from more normal people here. Once it gets moved to the Politics forum, the 10 who dwell there will give stock answers.... " | |||
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"No one By spoiling vote and making your abstain count, or just not turning up? Spoiling my vote " I've done it every year since I could vote. | |||
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"No one By spoiling vote and making your abstain count, or just not turning up? Spoiling my vote I've done it every year since I could vote." That's a shame. | |||
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"In deep blue country so voting lib dem." and delivering leaflets for. | |||
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"There's a politics section you know, just saying oh man is there, sorry I am new round here so did not know, might not get much responce then You'll get responses from more normal people here. Once it gets moved to the Politics forum, the 10 who dwell there will give stock answers.... " Yeah because the Lounge is on fire...so many fuck, avoid ,kiss threads that we just couldn't do without | |||
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"SNP" We could need passports to meet you | |||
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"There's a politics section you know, just saying oh man is there, sorry I am new round here so did not know, might not get much responce then You'll get responses from more normal people here. Once it gets moved to the Politics forum, the 10 who dwell there will give stock answers.... Yeah because the Lounge is on fire...so many fuck, avoid ,kiss threads that we just couldn't do without " I don't partake in the kiss threads. But there are more people in the other forums Id rather chat with than the blinkered bun fighters that frequent Politics. | |||
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"There's a politics section you know, just saying oh man is there, sorry I am new round here so did not know, might not get much responce then You'll get responses from more normal people here. Once it gets moved to the Politics forum, the 10 who dwell there will give stock answers.... " But that politics forum is a scary place | |||
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"SNP" Independence for scotland | |||
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"There's a politics section you know, just saying oh man is there, sorry I am new round here so did not know, might not get much responce then You'll get responses from more normal people here. Once it gets moved to the Politics forum, the 10 who dwell there will give stock answers.... But that politics forum is a scary place " Stay away I tell thee, stay away.... | |||
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"Labour. Generally speaking in elections it's a lesser of two evils scenario but I've more faith in JC than I've had in most. That being said there doesn't seem to be much room for honesty in politics but JC is the choice this time around" I pulled up the story for giving explanations so would be remiss for not challenging you similarly! Thread requested no elaboration. | |||
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"Labour. Generally speaking in elections it's a lesser of two evils scenario but I've more faith in JC than I've had in most. That being said there doesn't seem to be much room for honesty in politics but JC is the choice this time around I pulled up the story for giving explanations so would be remiss for not challenging you similarly! Thread requested no elaboration. " Tory not story! | |||
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"I'm actually pleased. I was projecting Fab onto the real world. Now l see so many voting Corbyn, it makes me happy because I thought Fab was a general crowd and it's not, it's a niche crowd. Now l see most are left of left. I owe general society an apology. " Torys are right tho, politics would be boring if everyone thought the same. | |||
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"There's a politics section you know, just saying " | |||
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"I'm actually pleased. I was projecting Fab onto the real world. Now l see so many voting Corbyn, it makes me happy because I thought Fab was a general crowd and it's not, it's a niche crowd. Now l see most are left of left. I owe general society an apology. " Because *everyone* in fab has answered this thread! Bwahahaha | |||
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"I'm actually pleased. I was projecting Fab onto the real world. Now l see so many voting Corbyn, it makes me happy because I thought Fab was a general crowd and it's not, it's a niche crowd. Now l see most are left of left. I owe general society an apology. Because *everyone* in fab has answered this thread! Bwahahaha " Obviously not but if you could only form an opinion once you meet the whole world, you'd never have one. | |||
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"I'm actually pleased. I was projecting Fab onto the real world. Now l see so many voting Corbyn, it makes me happy because I thought Fab was a general crowd and it's not, it's a niche crowd. Now l see most are left of left. I owe general society an apology. Because *everyone* in fab has answered this thread! Bwahahaha Obviously not but if you could only form an opinion once you meet the whole world, you'd never have one. " That is very true and clarifies for me how I read your comment | |||
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"I've already postal voted Welsh Labour " I will be jolly busy on polling day ,making sure every one has been out to vote, with a cheeky smile and glint in my eye | |||
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"Labour Where the feck where all you other labour supporters earlier when I posted a thread.....twats" | |||
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"Labour Where the feck where all you other labour supporters earlier when I posted a thread.....twats" Out canvassing | |||
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"Labour Where the feck where all you other labour supporters earlier when I posted a thread.....twats Out canvassing " How many dogs did you convert | |||
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"Labour Where the feck where all you other labour supporters earlier when I posted a thread.....twats Out canvassing How many dogs did you convert" Heaps lol I'm going for the shaggy pooch vote | |||
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"Labour Where the feck where all you other labour supporters earlier when I posted a thread.....twats Out canvassing How many dogs did you convert Heaps lol I'm going for the shaggy pooch vote " Well I know his views on brexit....but I haven't a clue if you've got a job on your hands or not | |||
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"Labour Where the feck where all you other labour supporters earlier when I posted a thread.....twats Out canvassing How many dogs did you convert Heaps lol I'm going for the shaggy pooch vote Well I know his views on brexit....but I haven't a clue if you've got a job on your hands or not" I have two more weeks to chat to heaps more lovely people | |||
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"Labour Where the feck where all you other labour supporters earlier when I posted a thread.....twats Out canvassing How many dogs did you convert Heaps lol I'm going for the shaggy pooch vote Well I know his views on brexit....but I haven't a clue if you've got a job on your hands or not I have two more weeks to chat to heaps more lovely people " Seriously though. I have always been behind Corbyn even when my labour supporter mates were not. But if you asked me a week ago who would win...I'd have answered tories sadly. But that has bloody changed now | |||
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"Labour Where the feck where all you other labour supporters earlier when I posted a thread.....twats Out canvassing How many dogs did you convert Heaps lol I'm going for the shaggy pooch vote Well I know his views on brexit....but I haven't a clue if you've got a job on your hands or not I have two more weeks to chat to heaps more lovely people Seriously though. I have always been behind Corbyn even when my labour supporter mates were not. But if you asked me a week ago who would win...I'd have answered tories sadly. But that has bloody changed now " I backed Owen Smith so don't shoot me lol. When the election was called i feared as you did a land slide but now , there is a good feeling out there , but as a long time labour supporter ans activist i remember to many false dawns . I will be out working hard to make things work | |||
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"Labour Where the feck where all you other labour supporters earlier when I posted a thread.....twats Out canvassing How many dogs did you convert Heaps lol I'm going for the shaggy pooch vote Well I know his views on brexit....but I haven't a clue if you've got a job on your hands or not I have two more weeks to chat to heaps more lovely people Seriously though. I have always been behind Corbyn even when my labour supporter mates were not. But if you asked me a week ago who would win...I'd have answered tories sadly. But that has bloody changed now I backed Owen Smith so don't shoot me lol. When the election was called i feared as you did a land slide but now , there is a good feeling out there , but as a long time labour supporter ans activist i remember to many false dawns . I will be out working hard to make things work " I just hope the labour MPs get behind in now as that can always trip it up! | |||
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"Labour Where the feck where all you other labour supporters earlier when I posted a thread.....twats Out canvassing How many dogs did you convert Heaps lol I'm going for the shaggy pooch vote Well I know his views on brexit....but I haven't a clue if you've got a job on your hands or not I have two more weeks to chat to heaps more lovely people Seriously though. I have always been behind Corbyn even when my labour supporter mates were not. But if you asked me a week ago who would win...I'd have answered tories sadly. But that has bloody changed now I backed Owen Smith so don't shoot me lol. When the election was called i feared as you did a land slide but now , there is a good feeling out there , but as a long time labour supporter ans activist i remember to many false dawns . I will be out working hard to make things work I just hope the labour MPs get behind in now as that can always trip it up! " It also depends on how McDonald and Momentum treat them | |||
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"Labour Where the feck where all you other labour supporters earlier when I posted a thread.....twats Out canvassing How many dogs did you convert Heaps lol I'm going for the shaggy pooch vote Well I know his views on brexit....but I haven't a clue if you've got a job on your hands or not I have two more weeks to chat to heaps more lovely people Seriously though. I have always been behind Corbyn even when my labour supporter mates were not. But if you asked me a week ago who would win...I'd have answered tories sadly. But that has bloody changed now I backed Owen Smith so don't shoot me lol. When the election was called i feared as you did a land slide but now , there is a good feeling out there , but as a long time labour supporter ans activist i remember to many false dawns . I will be out working hard to make things work I just hope the labour MPs get behind in now as that can always trip it up! It also depends on how McDonald and Momentum treat them " Yes there is always that Just ignore that pair above | |||
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"Labour Where the feck where all you other labour supporters earlier when I posted a thread.....twats Out canvassing How many dogs did you convert Heaps lol I'm going for the shaggy pooch vote Well I know his views on brexit....but I haven't a clue if you've got a job on your hands or not I have two more weeks to chat to heaps more lovely people Seriously though. I have always been behind Corbyn even when my labour supporter mates were not. But if you asked me a week ago who would win...I'd have answered tories sadly. But that has bloody changed now I backed Owen Smith so don't shoot me lol. When the election was called i feared as you did a land slide but now , there is a good feeling out there , but as a long time labour supporter ans activist i remember to many false dawns . I will be out working hard to make things work I just hope the labour MPs get behind in now as that can always trip it up! It also depends on how McDonald and Momentum treat them Yes there is always that Just ignore that pair above " Ha ha i never ignore the electorate especially when they wear hold ups ha ha | |||
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"Can we not vote to disband parliament due to a vote of no confidence in any of them." The Spanish managed it a year or two ago. They went for nearly a year without a government and the country ticked over quite well. | |||
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"Conservative for the first time ever !" Have you postal voted? If not we can chat If you have .......feck off | |||
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"Still undecided...all of the major parties have policies that I both strongly agree and disagree with. I will vote but I'd prefer a 'none of the above' option " Same though, i'm slowly edging towards labour. | |||
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"Still undecided...all of the major parties have policies that I both strongly agree and disagree with. I will vote but I'd prefer a 'none of the above' option Same though, i'm slowly edging towards labour." | |||
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"Labour Where the feck where all you other labour supporters earlier when I posted a thread.....twats Out canvassing How many dogs did you convert Heaps lol I'm going for the shaggy pooch vote Well I know his views on brexit....but I haven't a clue if you've got a job on your hands or not I have two more weeks to chat to heaps more lovely people Seriously though. I have always been behind Corbyn even when my labour supporter mates were not. But if you asked me a week ago who would win...I'd have answered tories sadly. But that has bloody changed now I backed Owen Smith so don't shoot me lol. When the election was called i feared as you did a land slide but now , there is a good feeling out there , but as a long time labour supporter ans activist i remember to many false dawns . I will be out working hard to make things work I just hope the labour MPs get behind in now as that can always trip it up! It also depends on how McDonald and Momentum treat them Yes there is always that Just ignore that pair above Ha ha i never ignore the electorate especially when they wear hold ups ha ha " Yep I get you on the hold ups....and as long as they have not sent a postal vote there's always hope | |||
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"Still undecided...all of the major parties have policies that I both strongly agree and disagree with. I will vote but I'd prefer a 'none of the above' option Same though, i'm slowly edging towards labour. " I can forgive the innocence of youth when thinking that voting Labour is a good idea but aren't you old enough to know better? | |||
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"Still undecided...all of the major parties have policies that I both strongly agree and disagree with. I will vote but I'd prefer a 'none of the above' option Same though, i'm slowly edging towards labour. I can forgive the innocence of youth when thinking that voting Labour is a good idea but aren't you old enough to know better? " I can't forgive self-serving ignorance on your part though! | |||
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"Still undecided...all of the major parties have policies that I both strongly agree and disagree with. I will vote but I'd prefer a 'none of the above' option Same though, i'm slowly edging towards labour. I can forgive the innocence of youth when thinking that voting Labour is a good idea but aren't you old enough to know better? " Yep old enough to remember all of maggies reign and major....Blair....brown....Cameron and now may. Been a Labour supporter all my life and I can never understand people who are not in the top 5% voting tory! As they are truly the only ones they lookout for! | |||
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"Labour if I could vote. Lost out due to making the registration process being difficult abroad. He supported human rights against Chile and his ex wife was part of my community." that was due to part of the tory manifesto which never came about. looks like tories gonna lose about 2 million votes | |||
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"Still undecided...all of the major parties have policies that I both strongly agree and disagree with. I will vote but I'd prefer a 'none of the above' option Same though, i'm slowly edging towards labour. I can forgive the innocence of youth when thinking that voting Labour is a good idea but aren't you old enough to know better? Yep old enough to remember all of maggies reign and major....Blair....brown....Cameron and now may. Been a Labour supporter all my life and I can never understand people who are not in the top 5% voting tory! As they are truly the only ones they lookout for!" And old enough to remember Callaghan. How did that government work out? Do you not remember the job losses, the strikes, the inflation, the hospitals closing and nurses losing their jobs etc etc? | |||
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"Still undecided...all of the major parties have policies that I both strongly agree and disagree with. I will vote but I'd prefer a 'none of the above' option Same though, i'm slowly edging towards labour. I can forgive the innocence of youth when thinking that voting Labour is a good idea but aren't you old enough to know better? Yep old enough to remember all of maggies reign and major....Blair....brown....Cameron and now may. Been a Labour supporter all my life and I can never understand people who are not in the top 5% voting tory! As they are truly the only ones they lookout for! And old enough to remember Callaghan. How did that government work out? Do you not remember the job losses, the strikes, the inflation, the hospitals closing and nurses losing their jobs etc etc?" I think you will find that was at a time when the unions had a bigger grip then now! But all is great now isn't it.....back to Victorian times with soup kitchens and food banks eh | |||
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"Still undecided...all of the major parties have policies that I both strongly agree and disagree with. I will vote but I'd prefer a 'none of the above' option Same though, i'm slowly edging towards labour. I can forgive the innocence of youth when thinking that voting Labour is a good idea but aren't you old enough to know better? Yep old enough to remember all of maggies reign and major....Blair....brown....Cameron and now may. Been a Labour supporter all my life and I can never understand people who are not in the top 5% voting tory! As they are truly the only ones they lookout for! And old enough to remember Callaghan. How did that government work out? Do you not remember the job losses, the strikes, the inflation, the hospitals closing and nurses losing their jobs etc etc? I think you will find that was at a time when the unions had a bigger grip then now! But all is great now isn't it.....back to Victorian times with soup kitchens and food banks eh " Ah, so it was the unions' fault. I think you will find that Corbyn wants to return those powers to the unions so that they have a bigger grip than now, or don't you realise that? | |||
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"Still undecided...all of the major parties have policies that I both strongly agree and disagree with. I will vote but I'd prefer a 'none of the above' option Same though, i'm slowly edging towards labour. I can forgive the innocence of youth when thinking that voting Labour is a good idea but aren't you old enough to know better? Yep old enough to remember all of maggies reign and major....Blair....brown....Cameron and now may. Been a Labour supporter all my life and I can never understand people who are not in the top 5% voting tory! As they are truly the only ones they lookout for! And old enough to remember Callaghan. How did that government work out? Do you not remember the job losses, the strikes, the inflation, the hospitals closing and nurses losing their jobs etc etc? I think you will find that was at a time when the unions had a bigger grip then now! But all is great now isn't it.....back to Victorian times with soup kitchens and food banks eh Ah, so it was the unions' fault. I think you will find that Corbyn wants to return those powers to the unions so that they have a bigger grip than now, or don't you realise that? " Strange how you ask about that but couldn't give a shit about people using food banks...yep forget it your just to selfish to vote anything other then tory. | |||
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"Ah boo, its in "politics" now. Watch this get dull fast. " And so, it came to pass.... | |||
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"Most people who vote Tory either do it from a form of Tribalism....or have no moral compass that says you should help those less blessed than yourself... There is no ideas...just pull up the ladder Jack " I want to vote for the Labour Manifesto.... but your talk of pulling up the ladder just reminds me of Corbyn who went to a selective, boarding Grammar School....and Abbott who sends her offspring to private school while saying others shouldn't. It makes decisions hard! | |||
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"Most people who vote Tory either do it from a form of Tribalism....or have no moral compass that says you should help those less blessed than yourself... There is no ideas...just pull up the ladder Jack I want to vote for the Labour Manifesto.... but your talk of pulling up the ladder just reminds me of Corbyn who went to a selective, boarding Grammar School....and Abbott who sends her offspring to private school while saying others shouldn't. It makes decisions hard!" i went catholic school doesnt mean im a priest. didnt really have much say in it. parents sent me to school | |||
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"Most people who vote Tory either do it from a form of Tribalism....or have no moral compass that says you should help those less blessed than yourself... There is no ideas...just pull up the ladder Jack " Completely wrong. Tribalism? My parents always voted Labour yet I have always voted Tory so how does that work? I vote Tory to help people. Under Labour governments unemployment ALWAYS rises (well, apart from the one just after the war, but that was because of all the rebuilding needed) and people always end up poorer. Another poster mentioned food banks but they were introduced under the last Labour government. So were zero hours contracts. The last Labour government's open door immigration policy also had a negative effect on society and on the lowest paid workers. If you want people to suffer and be kept down 'in their place' then vote Labour | |||
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"My parents always voted Labour yet I have always voted Tory so how does that work?" Lots of children disappoint their parents | |||
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"Labour if I could vote. Lost out due to making the registration process being difficult abroad. He supported human rights against Chile and his ex wife was part of my community. that was due to part of the tory manifesto which never came about. looks like tories gonna lose about 2 million votes" Tories will gain a large chunk of the 4 million who voted ukip in 2015. | |||
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"Most people who vote Tory either do it from a form of Tribalism....or have no moral compass that says you should help those less blessed than yourself... There is no ideas...just pull up the ladder Jack Completely wrong. Tribalism? My parents always voted Labour yet I have always voted Tory so how does that work? I vote Tory to help people. Under Labour governments unemployment ALWAYS rises (well, apart from the one just after the war, but that was because of all the rebuilding needed) and people always end up poorer. Another poster mentioned food banks but they were introduced under the last Labour government. So were zero hours contracts. The last Labour government's open door immigration policy also had a negative effect on society and on the lowest paid workers. If you want people to suffer and be kept down 'in their place' then vote Labour" I've voted ukip at pretty much every election going for around the last 10 years. It was all about bringing about Brexit with ukip. Not voting ukip this time though, now its got to be Conservative to deliver the Brexit we voted for in the EU referendum. Tribalism has nothing to do with it for me, this is the Brexit general election. | |||
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"Still undecided...all of the major parties have policies that I both strongly agree and disagree with. I will vote but I'd prefer a 'none of the above' option Same though, i'm slowly edging towards labour. I can forgive the innocence of youth when thinking that voting Labour is a good idea but aren't you old enough to know better? Yep old enough to remember all of maggies reign and major....Blair....brown....Cameron and now may. Been a Labour supporter all my life and I can never understand people who are not in the top 5% voting tory! As they are truly the only ones they lookout for! And old enough to remember Callaghan. How did that government work out? Do you not remember the job losses, the strikes, the inflation, the hospitals closing and nurses losing their jobs etc etc?" You could be describing Britain under the witch....remind me what level inflation reached under Thatcher.... I shall vote Labour, despite the fact that a donkey with a blue rosette would win here | |||
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"Ah boo, its in "politics" now. Watch this get dull fast. And so, it came to pass...." My vote is between me and the polling station boothe. | |||
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"Vote Labour and get Corbyn as PM. Well mouthpiece really. McCluskey will be the real PM. Vote Labour and get McDonnell as Chancellor. Will the budget be in a red box or a little red book? Vote Labour and get Dianne Abbott as Home Secretary. Enough said." Glad we got your vote. | |||
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"Vote Labour and get Corbyn as PM. Well mouthpiece really. McCluskey will be the real PM. Vote Labour and get McDonnell as Chancellor. Will the budget be in a red box or a little red book? Vote Labour and get Dianne Abbott as Home Secretary. Enough said." up to a point i would have agreed with you... my starting point was always "could i see myself ever voting for corbyn?" and the answer at the beginning was no.....but a few things for me have changed... 1) I do like the labour manifesto... and I think it shows their are enough people in high positions that the far left of the party can be checked..... plus some of the bigger hitting moderates would have to be brought back into high positions.... I think if it was left to corbyn it would go a lot further left than it did... 2) i can't believe i am going to say this, McDonnell doesn't scare me as a potential chancellor.... i don't think any of the stuff he has proposed is too outlandish (45p at 85K, 50p at 150K) think about the U turns hammond has had to make..... he is beholdened to a tax slashing part of his party..... 3) yes, abbott is the one that does worry me..... but if corbyn was smart, thats where i would see if someone like yvette cooper would come back into government..... | |||
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"Vote Labour and get Corbyn as PM. Well mouthpiece really. McCluskey will be the real PM. Vote Labour and get McDonnell as Chancellor. Will the budget be in a red box or a little red book? Vote Labour and get Dianne Abbott as Home Secretary. Enough said. up to a point i would have agreed with you... my starting point was always "could i see myself ever voting for corbyn?" and the answer at the beginning was no.....but a few things for me have changed... 1) I do like the labour manifesto... and I think it shows their are enough people in high positions that the far left of the party can be checked..... plus some of the bigger hitting moderates would have to be brought back into high positions.... I think if it was left to corbyn it would go a lot further left than it did... 2) i can't believe i am going to say this, McDonnell doesn't scare me as a potential chancellor.... i don't think any of the stuff he has proposed is too outlandish (45p at 85K, 50p at 150K) think about the U turns hammond has had to make..... he is beholdened to a tax slashing part of his party..... 3) yes, abbott is the one that does worry me..... but if corbyn was smart, thats where i would see if someone like yvette cooper would come back into government..... " Mate I have to admit I'm really warming to you Also I agree with Diane Abbott being the only fly in the ointment at the moment and I would hope she is replace asap. I get sick about hearing of the labour party in the past.....most quoting from history books as they are too young to have been there at the time. Times and people can change. | |||
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"Vote Labour and get Corbyn as PM. Well mouthpiece really. McCluskey will be the real PM. Vote Labour and get McDonnell as Chancellor. Will the budget be in a red box or a little red book? Vote Labour and get Dianne Abbott as Home Secretary. Enough said. up to a point i would have agreed with you... my starting point was always "could i see myself ever voting for corbyn?" and the answer at the beginning was no.....but a few things for me have changed... 1) I do like the labour manifesto... and I think it shows their are enough people in high positions that the far left of the party can be checked..... plus some of the bigger hitting moderates would have to be brought back into high positions.... I think if it was left to corbyn it would go a lot further left than it did... 2) i can't believe i am going to say this, McDonnell doesn't scare me as a potential chancellor.... i don't think any of the stuff he has proposed is too outlandish (45p at 85K, 50p at 150K) think about the U turns hammond has had to make..... he is beholdened to a tax slashing part of his party..... 3) yes, abbott is the one that does worry me..... but if corbyn was smart, thats where i would see if someone like yvette cooper would come back into government..... " Corbyn is not that smart though. It's all about who has remained Loyal to him over the years and Diane Abbott is one of his acolytes. She would definitely get a top job in his cabinet. | |||
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"Vote Labour and get Corbyn as PM. Well mouthpiece really. McCluskey will be the real PM. Vote Labour and get McDonnell as Chancellor. Will the budget be in a red box or a little red book? Vote Labour and get Dianne Abbott as Home Secretary. Enough said." You forgot Emily Thornberry as Foreign secretary. | |||
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"Vote Labour and get Corbyn as PM. Well mouthpiece really. McCluskey will be the real PM. Vote Labour and get McDonnell as Chancellor. Will the budget be in a red box or a little red book? Vote Labour and get Dianne Abbott as Home Secretary. Enough said. up to a point i would have agreed with you... my starting point was always "could i see myself ever voting for corbyn?" and the answer at the beginning was no.....but a few things for me have changed... 1) I do like the labour manifesto... and I think it shows their are enough people in high positions that the far left of the party can be checked..... plus some of the bigger hitting moderates would have to be brought back into high positions.... I think if it was left to corbyn it would go a lot further left than it did... 2) i can't believe i am going to say this, McDonnell doesn't scare me as a potential chancellor.... i don't think any of the stuff he has proposed is too outlandish (45p at 85K, 50p at 150K) think about the U turns hammond has had to make..... he is beholdened to a tax slashing part of his party..... 3) yes, abbott is the one that does worry me..... but if corbyn was smart, thats where i would see if someone like yvette cooper would come back into government..... Corbyn is not that smart though. It's all about who has remained Loyal to him over the years and Diane Abbott is one of his acolytes. She would definitely get a top job in his cabinet. " you cant be as fucked up as scameron, hunt, may, gove, bojo or osbourne | |||
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"Vote Labour and get Corbyn as PM. Well mouthpiece really. McCluskey will be the real PM. Vote Labour and get McDonnell as Chancellor. Will the budget be in a red box or a little red book? Vote Labour and get Dianne Abbott as Home Secretary. Enough said. up to a point i would have agreed with you... my starting point was always "could i see myself ever voting for corbyn?" and the answer at the beginning was no.....but a few things for me have changed... 1) I do like the labour manifesto... and I think it shows their are enough people in high positions that the far left of the party can be checked..... plus some of the bigger hitting moderates would have to be brought back into high positions.... I think if it was left to corbyn it would go a lot further left than it did... 2) i can't believe i am going to say this, McDonnell doesn't scare me as a potential chancellor.... i don't think any of the stuff he has proposed is too outlandish (45p at 85K, 50p at 150K) think about the U turns hammond has had to make..... he is beholdened to a tax slashing part of his party..... 3) yes, abbott is the one that does worry me..... but if corbyn was smart, thats where i would see if someone like yvette cooper would come back into government..... Corbyn is not that smart though. It's all about who has remained Loyal to him over the years and Diane Abbott is one of his acolytes. She would definitely get a top job in his cabinet. you cant be as fucked up as scameron, hunt, may, gove, bojo or osbourne" Cameron and Osborne have already gone, no prospect of them becoming an MP so they are irrelevant to this election. There is also no prospect of Michael Gove getting a position in the cabinet should the tories win the election. Bojo is one of the most well liked and popular politicians in the country so not sure why you included him in the list? | |||
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"Vote Labour and get Corbyn as PM. Well mouthpiece really. McCluskey will be the real PM. Vote Labour and get McDonnell as Chancellor. Will the budget be in a red box or a little red book? Vote Labour and get Dianne Abbott as Home Secretary. Enough said. up to a point i would have agreed with you... my starting point was always "could i see myself ever voting for corbyn?" and the answer at the beginning was no.....but a few things for me have changed... 1) I do like the labour manifesto... and I think it shows their are enough people in high positions that the far left of the party can be checked..... plus some of the bigger hitting moderates would have to be brought back into high positions.... I think if it was left to corbyn it would go a lot further left than it did... 2) i can't believe i am going to say this, McDonnell doesn't scare me as a potential chancellor.... i don't think any of the stuff he has proposed is too outlandish (45p at 85K, 50p at 150K) think about the U turns hammond has had to make..... he is beholdened to a tax slashing part of his party..... 3) yes, abbott is the one that does worry me..... but if corbyn was smart, thats where i would see if someone like yvette cooper would come back into government..... Corbyn is not that smart though. It's all about who has remained Loyal to him over the years and Diane Abbott is one of his acolytes. She would definitely get a top job in his cabinet. " We will have to wait and see on that one. Where I disagree with you is on this being all about brexit... there is a lot more going on here then just brexit as in the NHS, in work benefits cuts, policing cuts....but it's all not bad as there will be further tax cuts for the few. | |||
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"Vote Labour and get Corbyn as PM. Well mouthpiece really. McCluskey will be the real PM. Vote Labour and get McDonnell as Chancellor. Will the budget be in a red box or a little red book? Vote Labour and get Dianne Abbott as Home Secretary. Enough said. up to a point i would have agreed with you... my starting point was always "could i see myself ever voting for corbyn?" and the answer at the beginning was no.....but a few things for me have changed... 1) I do like the labour manifesto... and I think it shows their are enough people in high positions that the far left of the party can be checked..... plus some of the bigger hitting moderates would have to be brought back into high positions.... I think if it was left to corbyn it would go a lot further left than it did... 2) i can't believe i am going to say this, McDonnell doesn't scare me as a potential chancellor.... i don't think any of the stuff he has proposed is too outlandish (45p at 85K, 50p at 150K) think about the U turns hammond has had to make..... he is beholdened to a tax slashing part of his party..... 3) yes, abbott is the one that does worry me..... but if corbyn was smart, thats where i would see if someone like yvette cooper would come back into government..... Corbyn is not that smart though. It's all about who has remained Loyal to him over the years and Diane Abbott is one of his acolytes. She would definitely get a top job in his cabinet. you cant be as fucked up as scameron, hunt, may, gove, bojo or osbourne Cameron and Osborne have already gone, no prospect of them becoming an MP so they are irrelevant to this election. There is also no prospect of Michael Gove getting a position in the cabinet should the tories win the election. Bojo is one of the most well liked and popular politicians in the country so not sure why you included him in the list? " I assume BoJo is in the list because he's a lying cretin | |||
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"Being honest there is a dearth of real political heavyweights....Men/women of vision are totally absent from the Tory side....On Labour there at least is a recognition that we cannot keep repeating the same bull we have been served for so long..... " But Labour want to go back to what we've been served before and didn't like. People either have short memories or are very naive | |||
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"Capitalism has boomed and bust this country during my lifetime.....3 times at least.....i like to think i will see another 2 economic booms followed by the inevitable busts......See it is this system that should be consigned to the dustbin of history.as the rich get richer the crime figures will increase and the sense of disenchantment will increase...leading to where the USA is today...bitterly divided and clinging to a false messiah type figure" We have a recession every 7 years, give or take, who is in power is irrelevent. Generally it is a major one, mini one, major, mini, and so on. Basically we are due a mini one in the next 3-4 years, 5 at a push. Its hiw we handle each recession that is important. | |||
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"Capitalism has boomed and bust this country during my lifetime.....3 times at least.....i like to think i will see another 2 economic booms followed by the inevitable busts......See it is this system that should be consigned to the dustbin of history.as the rich get richer the crime figures will increase and the sense of disenchantment will increase...leading to where the USA is today...bitterly divided and clinging to a false messiah type figure" You can't have socialism without capitalism. Capitalism makes the money and it's socialism that likes to spend other people's money which Is made through Capitalism. | |||
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"Labour " Good for you girl And to think a week or so back it looked like the tories were going to romp home. Just been to the bookies and placed a nice little bet on labour. Win win | |||
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"Labour Good for you girl And to think a week or so back it looked like the tories were going to romp home. Just been to the bookies and placed a nice little bet on labour. Win win " More like money down the drain. | |||
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"Labour Good for you girl And to think a week or so back it looked like the tories were going to romp home. Just been to the bookies and placed a nice little bet on labour. Win win More like money down the drain. " Just wish I had on brexit | |||
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"Capitalism has boomed and bust this country during my lifetime.....3 times at least.....i like to think i will see another 2 economic booms followed by the inevitable busts......See it is this system that should be consigned to the dustbin of history.as the rich get richer the crime figures will increase and the sense of disenchantment will increase...leading to where the USA is today...bitterly divided and clinging to a false messiah type figure You can't have socialism without capitalism. Capitalism makes the money and it's socialism that likes to spend other people's money which Is made through Capitalism. " Which type of capitalism? Friedman's capitalism doesn't. | |||
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"Vote Labour and get Corbyn as PM. Well mouthpiece really. McCluskey will be the real PM. Vote Labour and get McDonnell as Chancellor. Will the budget be in a red box or a little red book? Vote Labour and get Dianne Abbott as Home Secretary. Enough said. up to a point i would have agreed with you... my starting point was always "could i see myself ever voting for corbyn?" and the answer at the beginning was no.....but a few things for me have changed... 1) I do like the labour manifesto... and I think it shows their are enough people in high positions that the far left of the party can be checked..... plus some of the bigger hitting moderates would have to be brought back into high positions.... I think if it was left to corbyn it would go a lot further left than it did... 2) i can't believe i am going to say this, McDonnell doesn't scare me as a potential chancellor.... i don't think any of the stuff he has proposed is too outlandish (45p at 85K, 50p at 150K) think about the U turns hammond has had to make..... he is beholdened to a tax slashing part of his party..... 3) yes, abbott is the one that does worry me..... but if corbyn was smart, thats where i would see if someone like yvette cooper would come back into government..... Mate I have to admit I'm really warming to you Also I agree with Diane Abbott being the only fly in the ointment at the moment and I would hope she is replace asap. I get sick about hearing of the labour party in the past.....most quoting from history books as they are too young to have been there at the time. Times and people can change. " I don't need history books for the 70's. I was there. Times and people do change. Quite often for the worse. | |||
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"Vote Labour and get Corbyn as PM. Well mouthpiece really. McCluskey will be the real PM. Vote Labour and get McDonnell as Chancellor. Will the budget be in a red box or a little red book? Vote Labour and get Dianne Abbott as Home Secretary. Enough said. up to a point i would have agreed with you... my starting point was always "could i see myself ever voting for corbyn?" and the answer at the beginning was no.....but a few things for me have changed... 1) I do like the labour manifesto... and I think it shows their are enough people in high positions that the far left of the party can be checked..... plus some of the bigger hitting moderates would have to be brought back into high positions.... I think if it was left to corbyn it would go a lot further left than it did... 2) i can't believe i am going to say this, McDonnell doesn't scare me as a potential chancellor.... i don't think any of the stuff he has proposed is too outlandish (45p at 85K, 50p at 150K) think about the U turns hammond has had to make..... he is beholdened to a tax slashing part of his party..... 3) yes, abbott is the one that does worry me..... but if corbyn was smart, thats where i would see if someone like yvette cooper would come back into government..... Mate I have to admit I'm really warming to you Also I agree with Diane Abbott being the only fly in the ointment at the moment and I would hope she is replace asap. I get sick about hearing of the labour party in the past.....most quoting from history books as they are too young to have been there at the time. Times and people can change. I don't need history books for the 70's. I was there. Times and people do change. Quite often for the worse." Quite right. Corbyn isn't half the man or politician that Callaghan was and look how well that ended. And I remember it well | |||
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"quite right .... britain changed after the 70's .... it rapidly went to shit in 1980 and stayed there for a decade and a half" So fucking true i was there! | |||
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"quite right .... britain changed after the 70's .... it rapidly went to shit in 1980 and stayed there for a decade and a half" You mean it had to be put right for a decade and a half and then people got complacent and bored and forgetful and inexperienced and thought hey, lets try Labour again for a change. And guess what? They fucked things up again | |||
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"quite right .... britain changed after the 70's .... it rapidly went to shit in 1980 and stayed there for a decade and a half You mean it had to be put right for a decade and a half and then people got complacent and bored and forgetful and inexperienced and thought hey, lets try Labour again for a change. And guess what? They fucked things up again" no ... i mean, in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half | |||
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"quite right .... britain changed after the 70's .... it rapidly went to shit in 1980 and stayed there for a decade and a half You mean it had to be put right for a decade and a half and then people got complacent and bored and forgetful and inexperienced and thought hey, lets try Labour again for a change. And guess what? They fucked things up again no ... i mean, in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half" Those fucking tories forced me to become an economic migrant in germany.The drove us grafters out..Looked after their posh mates and pissed on the working class..Standard. | |||
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"quite right .... britain changed after the 70's .... it rapidly went to shit in 1980 and stayed there for a decade and a half You mean it had to be put right for a decade and a half and then people got complacent and bored and forgetful and inexperienced and thought hey, lets try Labour again for a change. And guess what? They fucked things up again no ... i mean, in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half" I take it you don't remember the end of the 70's then? | |||
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"quite right .... britain changed after the 70's .... it rapidly went to shit in 1980 and stayed there for a decade and a half You mean it had to be put right for a decade and a half and then people got complacent and bored and forgetful and inexperienced and thought hey, lets try Labour again for a change. And guess what? They fucked things up again no ... i mean, in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half Those fucking tories forced me to become an economic migrant in germany.The drove us grafters out..Looked after their posh mates and pissed on the working class..Standard." The only people who have pissed on the working class for the last 60 years are the Labour party | |||
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"quite right .... britain changed after the 70's .... it rapidly went to shit in 1980 and stayed there for a decade and a half You mean it had to be put right for a decade and a half and then people got complacent and bored and forgetful and inexperienced and thought hey, lets try Labour again for a change. And guess what? They fucked things up again no ... i mean, in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half I take it you don't remember the end of the 70's then?" in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half | |||
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"quite right .... britain changed after the 70's .... it rapidly went to shit in 1980 and stayed there for a decade and a half You mean it had to be put right for a decade and a half and then people got complacent and bored and forgetful and inexperienced and thought hey, lets try Labour again for a change. And guess what? They fucked things up again no ... i mean, in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half I take it you don't remember the end of the 70's then? in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half" I wish I was a parrot. I wish I was a parrot | |||
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"quite right .... britain changed after the 70's .... it rapidly went to shit in 1980 and stayed there for a decade and a half You mean it had to be put right for a decade and a half and then people got complacent and bored and forgetful and inexperienced and thought hey, lets try Labour again for a change. And guess what? They fucked things up again no ... i mean, in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half I take it you don't remember the end of the 70's then? in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half I wish I was a parrot. I wish I was a parrot" Norwegian blue I'm guessing.. | |||
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"quite right .... britain changed after the 70's .... it rapidly went to shit in 1980 and stayed there for a decade and a half You mean it had to be put right for a decade and a half and then people got complacent and bored and forgetful and inexperienced and thought hey, lets try Labour again for a change. And guess what? They fucked things up again no ... i mean, in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half I take it you don't remember the end of the 70's then? in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half" Lol, 3rd time lucky hopefully -Matt | |||
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" Lol, 3rd time lucky hopefully -Matt" fingers crossed .... but things do need repeating over and over again so that the hard of thinking have a chance of understanding what's going on bless 'em | |||
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"quite right .... britain changed after the 70's .... it rapidly went to shit in 1980 and stayed there for a decade and a half You mean it had to be put right for a decade and a half and then people got complacent and bored and forgetful and inexperienced and thought hey, lets try Labour again for a change. And guess what? They fucked things up again no ... i mean, in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half I take it you don't remember the end of the 70's then? in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half Lol, 3rd time lucky hopefully -Matt" Not a chance. What a terrible life you must have | |||
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"quite right .... britain changed after the 70's .... it rapidly went to shit in 1980 and stayed there for a decade and a half You mean it had to be put right for a decade and a half and then people got complacent and bored and forgetful and inexperienced and thought hey, lets try Labour again for a change. And guess what? They fucked things up again no ... i mean, in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half Those fucking tories forced me to become an economic migrant in germany.The drove us grafters out..Looked after their posh mates and pissed on the working class..Standard. The only people who have pissed on the working class for the last 60 years are the Labour party" I suppose they improved my german and i shagged a few german girls and i made more money than back home.We could rebrand it as tough love from maggie. Get on your bike and fuck off out to Germany.It'll make a man out of you... | |||
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"We could rebrand it as tough love from maggie. Get on your bike and fuck off out to Germany.It'll make a man out of you..." there are some notable expat exceptions to that statement | |||
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"quite right .... britain changed after the 70's .... it rapidly went to shit in 1980 and stayed there for a decade and a half You mean it had to be put right for a decade and a half and then people got complacent and bored and forgetful and inexperienced and thought hey, lets try Labour again for a change. And guess what? They fucked things up again no ... i mean, in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half Those fucking tories forced me to become an economic migrant in germany.The drove us grafters out..Looked after their posh mates and pissed on the working class..Standard. The only people who have pissed on the working class for the last 60 years are the Labour party I suppose they improved my german and i shagged a few german girls and i made more money than back home.We could rebrand it as tough love from maggie. Get on your bike and fuck off out to Germany.It'll make a man out of you..." You'll be saying that closing the mines was a bad thing next | |||
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"quite right .... britain changed after the 70's .... it rapidly went to shit in 1980 and stayed there for a decade and a half You mean it had to be put right for a decade and a half and then people got complacent and bored and forgetful and inexperienced and thought hey, lets try Labour again for a change. And guess what? They fucked things up again no ... i mean, in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half Those fucking tories forced me to become an economic migrant in germany.The drove us grafters out..Looked after their posh mates and pissed on the working class..Standard. The only people who have pissed on the working class for the last 60 years are the Labour party I suppose they improved my german and i shagged a few german girls and i made more money than back home.We could rebrand it as tough love from maggie. Get on your bike and fuck off out to Germany.It'll make a man out of you... You'll be saying that closing the mines was a bad thing next " My grandfather was a miner and he hated scargill for allowing his mine to be closed to prevent coal mines up north being closed.It was a dieing industry and had its day.However the miners were treated appallingly by the tories and by scargill. | |||
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"quite right .... britain changed after the 70's .... it rapidly went to shit in 1980 and stayed there for a decade and a half You mean it had to be put right for a decade and a half and then people got complacent and bored and forgetful and inexperienced and thought hey, lets try Labour again for a change. And guess what? They fucked things up again no ... i mean, in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half Those fucking tories forced me to become an economic migrant in germany.The drove us grafters out..Looked after their posh mates and pissed on the working class..Standard. The only people who have pissed on the working class for the last 60 years are the Labour party I suppose they improved my german and i shagged a few german girls and i made more money than back home.We could rebrand it as tough love from maggie. Get on your bike and fuck off out to Germany.It'll make a man out of you... You'll be saying that closing the mines was a bad thing next My grandfather was a miner and he hated scargill for allowing his mine to be closed to prevent coal mines up north being closed.It was a dieing industry and had its day.However the miners were treated appallingly by the tories and by scargill. " I was a miner. For a week. It is no life for anybody or for anybody's son. The miners I knew were treated well by the Tories as far as redundancy packages went and most went on to do ok or well for themselves | |||
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"quite right .... britain changed after the 70's .... it rapidly went to shit in 1980 and stayed there for a decade and a half You mean it had to be put right for a decade and a half and then people got complacent and bored and forgetful and inexperienced and thought hey, lets try Labour again for a change. And guess what? They fucked things up again no ... i mean, in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half Those fucking tories forced me to become an economic migrant in germany.The drove us grafters out..Looked after their posh mates and pissed on the working class..Standard. The only people who have pissed on the working class for the last 60 years are the Labour party I suppose they improved my german and i shagged a few german girls and i made more money than back home.We could rebrand it as tough love from maggie. Get on your bike and fuck off out to Germany.It'll make a man out of you... You'll be saying that closing the mines was a bad thing next My grandfather was a miner and he hated scargill for allowing his mine to be closed to prevent coal mines up north being closed.It was a dieing industry and had its day.However the miners were treated appallingly by the tories and by scargill. I was a miner. For a week. It is no life for anybody or for anybody's son. The miners I knew were treated well by the Tories as far as redundancy packages went and most went on to do ok or well for themselves" My grandfather was poor and never worked again.He was to old to start again. | |||
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"quite right .... britain changed after the 70's .... it rapidly went to shit in 1980 and stayed there for a decade and a half You mean it had to be put right for a decade and a half and then people got complacent and bored and forgetful and inexperienced and thought hey, lets try Labour again for a change. And guess what? They fucked things up again no ... i mean, in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half I take it you don't remember the end of the 70's then? in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half Lol, 3rd time lucky hopefully -Matt Not a chance. What a terrible life you must have" No, sadly I still don't think you comprehend that 1980 is after 'the end of the 1970s'. My life is not too bad. Thanks for your concern. -Matt | |||
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"quite right .... britain changed after the 70's .... it rapidly went to shit in 1980 and stayed there for a decade and a half You mean it had to be put right for a decade and a half and then people got complacent and bored and forgetful and inexperienced and thought hey, lets try Labour again for a change. And guess what? They fucked things up again no ... i mean, in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half I take it you don't remember the end of the 70's then? in 1980 britain rapidly went to shit and stayed there for a decade and a half Lol, 3rd time lucky hopefully -Matt Not a chance. What a terrible life you must have No, sadly I still don't think you comprehend that 1980 is after 'the end of the 1970s'. My life is not too bad. Thanks for your concern. -Matt" My parents worked for the nhs during the Thatcher period. They saw privatisation of the health service. All the great British doctors went to private. The instruments paid by the NHS went to private hospital. Talk about using tax money to finances the rich. Donors were sold privately before going to the waiting list. Sounded horrendous. | |||
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"I was going to vote Labour. But then i heard about the "garden tax", and now i'll probably vote ukip, or communist or something weird. " Why? It seems like a pretty fair and straight forward system if Labour decide to go with it. -Matt | |||
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"I was going to vote Labour. But then i heard about the "garden tax", and now i'll probably vote ukip, or communist or something weird. Why? It seems like a pretty fair and straight forward system if Labour decide to go with it. -Matt" How? Encouraging people to sell their gardens to avoid massive hikes in council tax? | |||
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"Changed my mind. Voting tory." Grrrr. | |||
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"Still undecided...all of the major parties have policies that I both strongly agree and disagree with. I will vote but I'd prefer a 'none of the above' option Same though, i'm slowly edging towards labour. I can forgive the innocence of youth when thinking that voting Labour is a good idea but aren't you old enough to know better? Yep old enough to remember all of maggies reign and major....Blair....brown....Cameron and now may. Been a Labour supporter all my life and I can never understand people who are not in the top 5% voting tory! As they are truly the only ones they lookout for!" And it's that inability of Corbyn's Labour to truly understand people and their motives for voting the way they do which is why, in mid term election which Labour should have walked, they're struggling to even hold onto the seats they currently have. I'm voting LibDem this time. | |||
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"OK who is counting the votes on this thread ? This is important people. I need your help. Opinion polls are very important " Polls are a load of crap What did the polls say in the referendum What did the polls saying the American election And what are the polls saying for this election Think about it it's not rocket science | |||
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"OK who is counting the votes on this thread ? This is important people. I need your help. Opinion polls are very important Polls are a load of crap What did the polls say in the referendum What did the polls saying the American election And what are the polls saying for this election Think about it it's not rocket science " Actually they're not crap but you have to understand them properly. Most poles have a margin of error of 4 percentage points. What this means is that, while the pols suggested remain would win by about 51% to leaves 49% what that actually meant is that remain would get between 47% and 55% and leave would get between 45% and 53%. The actual result was remain 48% and leave 52%, which is within the 4 percentage range. Currently, in the best pole from labours point of view, they are still 6 percentage points behind and still heading for a big loss. Things may move in their favour more over the next 9 days but u till that gap gets to less than 4 points they're still definitely heading for a loss. | |||
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