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"labour with a 10 point lead over the torys in wales as of today"
Only 10 points LOL
If Labour can't win in Wales then they should shut the party down and be done.
It's not that long ago that wales was almost a Tory free zone.
Ten points in Wales is bugger all. |
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over a year ago
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will anybody win and if they do will the torys have their huge majority, backing an unshakable mandate, which was the entire reason mrs maygabe gave for calling the election in the first place? who knows |
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Sadly, I think she'll still win but I don't think she'll get the massive majority she wanted.
She's certainly pissed off a lot of people close to retirement. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Momentum has definitley turned against the Tories, but whether it will ammount to a Labour victory is doubtful. It'll be close, I reckon. "
Momentum have always been against the stories. Didn't they skew the Labour Party votes to elect Corbyn as leader? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Momentum has definitley turned against the Tories, but whether it will ammount to a Labour victory is doubtful. It'll be close, I reckon.
Momentum have always been against the stories. Didn't they skew the Labour Party votes to elect Corbyn as leader?"
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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I thought May was going to smash it when she abandoned her promise not to call an election, and to abandon a strong and stable government as legislated in the fixed term parliament act. However now I'm not so sure.
It seems as though the Tories are trying their hardest to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Also where are all the other high profile Tories? It seems like the May show rather than a cohesive Conservative party. |
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump "
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. |
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over a year ago
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. "
Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may.. |
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may.."
Yup and I'd rather that than conservative majority. |
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may.."
do you think anyone will get into bed with maygabe after the fallout for the libs? she's pissed off norn iron, scotland ... what other partys are there to climb into bed with now? |
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may..
do you think anyone will get into bed with maygabe after the fallout for the libs? she's pissed off norn iron, scotland ... what other partys are there to climb into bed with now?"
They'd be foolish not to, it's the closest the lib dems will ever come to power |
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may..
do you think anyone will get into bed with maygabe after the fallout for the libs? she's pissed off norn iron, scotland ... what other partys are there to climb into bed with now?
They'd be foolish not to, it's the closest the lib dems will ever come to power"
The fact the lib dems want a second referendum might be a stumbling block.Although they rescinded on pledges last time they teamed up with dave.I would prefer a lib dem labour snp and green coalition .  |
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As I posted on another thread not so long ago.
"The wishful thinking is strong in this one"
Has anyone just for a minute taken a look at the regional polls?
Here are a few examples. I'll start with Wales.
2015 GE. Labour 9.7% in front. Latest poll 10% in front. So pretty much as you were.
Scotland.
2015 GE Labour 10% in front of the Tories. Latest poll, Tories 10% in front of Labour. That is one hell of a turn around.
North East England.
2015 GE Labour 21.6% in front. Latest poll, Labour 2% in front 
North West England.
2015 GE Labour 13.4% in front. Latest poll, a tie.
Yorkshire and Humber.
2015 GE Labour 6.5% in front. Latest poll, Tories 5% in front.
And so it goes on, even in London Labour are polling less that the 2015 GE.
Oh and just in case anyone has forgotten.
They lost that one as well. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Here are a few examples. I'll start with Wales.
2015 GE. Labour 9.7% in front. Latest poll 10% in front. So pretty much as you were.
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thats an interesting piece of spin..... can we just not compare this weeks poll number to last weeks poll number.... or is there a reason why you decided not to do that.....
is this the best CCHQ can send out....
can you do me a favour... or in fact may i suggest something...
just do what CCHQ are doing, and not sending out any tories to do any interviews on any subject tonight.... just say "no one available!!!"
just take the "L" and go into media lockdown for the rest of the night....... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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the energy company lobbyists are now pressing for a u-turn on mrs maygabe's promise of a cap on fuel bill for 17 million households ... they want it revised down to 6 million .... which is merely 2 million more than are capped at present. what's the odds she'll roll over on this one too .....
as the popular posters that have been appearing all across london say ... strong and stable my arse |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may.."
If the lib dems get a big enough majority first. Clegg is still lurking in the wings and i think too many see him as selling out just to be the deputy pm |
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may.."
No!! They're not so stupid to make that mistake again. |
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may..
No!! They're not so stupid to make that mistake again."
I don't think it was a mistake. There will always be people too simple to remember more than one policy, but for the average reasonably intelligent person they did a good job on balance. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Is coalition a bad thing? 4 or 5 parties can be chaotic but 2 equal parties can be balanced. It's worked in the Netherlands. We just hope the right coalition. |
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may..
No!! They're not so stupid to make that mistake again.
I don't think it was a mistake. There will always be people too simple to remember more than one policy, but for the average reasonably intelligent person they did a good job on balance. "
Don't get me wrong, if I could have voted for 'The Coalition' in 2015 I would have. I'm voting LibDem this time. I personally think that the Conservative's pragmatism paired with the LibDem's social conscience and libertarian attitudes made for a very successful government. But it didn't work out well for the LibDems and it's not on offer this time around. |
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may..
No!! They're not so stupid to make that mistake again.
I don't think it was a mistake. There will always be people too simple to remember more than one policy, but for the average reasonably intelligent person they did a good job on balance.
Don't get me wrong, if I could have voted for 'The Coalition' in 2015 I would have. I'm voting LibDem this time. I personally think that the Conservative's pragmatism paired with the LibDem's social conscience and libertarian attitudes made for a very successful government. But it didn't work out well for the LibDems and it's not on offer this time around."
Pretty much my opinions! The IFS have said today what I've been saying for weeks - labours plans are based on a combination of pie in the sky and the money free funding it. Conservatives have some nut jobs that need to get their ears clipped every now and then, the lib dems have a good track record of doing that. They'd be foolish to pass up another coalition. |
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may..
No!! They're not so stupid to make that mistake again.
I don't think it was a mistake. There will always be people too simple to remember more than one policy, but for the average reasonably intelligent person they did a good job on balance.
Don't get me wrong, if I could have voted for 'The Coalition' in 2015 I would have. I'm voting LibDem this time. I personally think that the Conservative's pragmatism paired with the LibDem's social conscience and libertarian attitudes made for a very successful government. But it didn't work out well for the LibDems and it's not on offer this time around.
Pretty much my opinions! The IFS have said today what I've been saying for weeks - labours plans are based on a combination of pie in the sky and the money free funding it. Conservatives have some nut jobs that need to get their ears clipped every now and then, the lib dems have a good track record of doing that. They'd be foolish to pass up another coalition. "
Tim's not up for it and, unfortunately, many LibDems are more anti Torie this time than in 2010. Added to that it doesn't look like the numbers are going to give the LibDems the seats they would need. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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May is a rubbish at interviews,she has a lack of policies,she is doing a one woman campaign.
I keep getting mail saying elect May,but does not tell me who the local candidate is,this is crazy.
I was going to vote for her but not now,I will abstain and I live in a marginal.
I hope she wins but not with to large a majority and as I predicted she will only get in with a 40-50 seat majority which is humiliating against corbyn as he is not fit to lead a party never mind run the country
If she cannot thrash a left wing dick head how the hell can she take in Europe |
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may.."
No but they would with Corbyn  |
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may.. No but they would with Corbyn "
Thats what i think will happen lib dem labour coalition.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I believe that having one strongly dominant party does not lend itself to good government, or a fair one, so I'd welcome a much reduced majority or a coalition.
If the Tories lose, they certainly won't have far to look in their ranks to find the culprit. I've never seen a PM reverse so many policies so many times. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may.. No but they would with Corbyn Thats what i think will happen lib dem labour coalition. "
Think or hope? |
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"I believe that having one strongly dominant party does not lend itself to good government, or a fair one, so I'd welcome a much reduced majority or a coalition.
If the Tories lose, they certainly won't have far to look in their ranks to find the culprit. I've never seen a PM reverse so many policies so many times. "
How much more reduced do you want than a majority of 6? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I should have said that 101 majority was that more than Labour. Their working majority was 17, I think. 'Was' because parliament is dissolved and there are no MPs at the moment. Do they still get paid, I wonder? |
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may.. No but they would with Corbyn Thats what i think will happen lib dem labour coalition.
Think or hope?"
Think not hope.
I wont be voting for either though. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"I should have said that 101 majority was that more than Labour. Their working majority was 17, I think. 'Was' because parliament is dissolved and there are no MPs at the moment. Do they still get paid, I wonder? "
Yes, they can claim their basic pay if standing for re-election. All other expenses and extra payments for committee work stop.
If they aren't standing for re-election, then payment stops.
"MP"s can be approached if a constituent has a problem and needs advice whilst parliament is dissolved, but it has to be made clear to the constituent, that they offer this advice or help as a member of the general public and not as a sitting MP |
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The latest polls appear to show the gap narrowing further with one suggesting a 2 seat majority to the Tories.
Now I don't have any more faith in polls that the next person but if this is anywhere near correct it would be a huge slap in the face for May.
Given that she wanted a substantial majority to 'strengthen her hand' would anything around the same number (17) or less weaken her hand?
A combination of bad ideas poorly thought out and an endless catalogue of U turns have shown how badly out of her depths she is.
Not that the opposition is any better but at the moment Corbyn is playing a better game.
I still think the Tories will win but will we be in a different situation after the result? I'm beginning to doubt it. |
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may.. No but they would with Corbyn Thats what i think will happen lib dem labour coalition.
Think or hope? Think not hope.
I wont be voting for either though. "
That's why we should have P R !
Good luck with the Greens !
I'm not one as you know but thier vote should matter and have more seats |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Will the Tories win ?........Yes...
But May has been exposed in interviews as being totally lacking in any charisma or worse having any policies that really ring true.....I will not be voting Conservative, but then i never have... They stand for those who who believe in .. nothing |
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The tories will win, Ive very little doubt about that barring some major development between now and the election.
But winning isnt the goal. The goal was to increase the majority for the tories and if May loses seats overall then thats a bad result for the tories. Though I dont necessarily think they'll lose seats either. The reality is that some voters will move towards conservatives in the coming weeks because of Manchester. |
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Well luckily we have Hammond, and we have had all those other capitalists in charge....So the country is booming and unemployment is a distant memory.. We have a massive budget surplus year on year as well....Yes i can see why your scared of someone like McDonnell being in charge.. We would have millions unemployed, food banks for the poor and be over a Trillion in debt,... i am following your reasoning here  |
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"Well luckily we have Hammond, and we have had all those other capitalists in charge....So the country is booming and unemployment is a distant memory.. We have a massive budget surplus year on year as well....Yes i can see why your scared of someone like McDonnell being in charge.. We would have millions unemployed, food banks for the poor and be over a Trillion in debt,... i am following your reasoning here "
I'm afriad you're not reading the figures correctly if you think labour have a good record on debt, unemployment or deficits. |
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I am pointing out that when May wins this election, It will change very little we will bumble along with the same tired policies that have got us in the position i highlighted in my previous post.....However if your happy with the above vote for the status quo. |
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"I am pointing out that when May wins this election, It will change very little we will bumble along with the same tired policies that have got us in the position i highlighted in my previous post.....However if your happy with the above vote for the status quo."
Your statement implies our financial problems started in 2010 when the coalition government took power. A factually incorrect implication. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"The latest polls appear to show the gap narrowing further with one suggesting a 2 seat majority to the Tories.
Now I don't have any more faith in polls that the next person but if this is anywhere near correct it would be a huge slap in the face for May.
Given that she wanted a substantial majority to 'strengthen her hand' would anything around the same number (17) or less weaken her hand?
A combination of bad ideas poorly thought out and an endless catalogue of U turns have shown how badly out of her depths she is.
Not that the opposition is any better but at the moment Corbyn is playing a better game.
I still think the Tories will win but will we be in a different situation after the result? I'm beginning to doubt it."
I have to agree with all of this |
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Someone on here is under the impression i am anti this and the previous Govt. Not strictly true i a was also not a fan of any party of the last 30yrs .
I believe the day we let the "City" regulate itself, we the common man,,, was basically always going to be screwed and so it seems we have been repeatedly. They fucked up.....and we pay the bill. Yes it has all worked out so well.
But to hold the Tories up as a financially competent party is really satire at its very best... |
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"Someone on here is under the impression i am anti this and the previous Govt. Not strictly true i a was also not a fan of any party of the last 30yrs .
I believe the day we let the "City" regulate itself, we the common man,,, was basically always going to be screwed and so it seems we have been repeatedly. They fucked up.....and we pay the bill. Yes it has all worked out so well.
But to hold the Tories up as a financially competent party is really satire at its very best... "
I find your analysis misguided. The banking crisis did not occur because they were self regulating or there wasn't enough regulation. There were multiple causes but on the regulation front; the regulation that existed wasn't enforced properly. A prime example is the failure to categorise credit default swaps as an insurance product.
A massive part of our unsustainable debt situation comes from bailing out the banks, which all the parties supported. I for one wouldn't have bailed them out without breaking their investment and retail operations and letting the former go straight to hell where it belongs. |
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I work for a major financial name. I can assure you there is no sense of guilt here. Would it have been better to let some banks fold ?.........Maybe but no one could possibly say what that outcome would have been. I agree the sub-prime defaults was the starting gun for the turmoil that followed. But to believe that Hammond is anything other than a plodder is misguided, we need vision and someone to not believe the bullshit served up by the self-interest of the "City" |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"will anybody win and if they do will the torys have their huge majority, backing an unshakable mandate, which was the entire reason mrs maygabe gave for calling the election in the first place? who knows"
The bitch wants a cemented position but may also hope for a loss. This way she'll be free from responsesbility to deal with this Brexshit mess but blame the electorate for preventing get to make Brexshit a success. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I work for a major financial name. I can assure you there is no sense of guilt here. Would it have been better to let some banks fold ?.........Maybe but no one could possibly say what that outcome would have been. I agree the sub-prime defaults was the starting gun for the turmoil that followed. But to believe that Hammond is anything other than a plodder is misguided, we need vision and someone to not believe the bullshit served up by the self-interest of the "City""
RBS by any chance? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Someone on here is under the impression i am anti this and the previous Govt. Not strictly true i a was also not a fan of any party of the last 30yrs .
I believe the day we let the "City" regulate itself, we the common man,,, was basically always going to be screwed and so it seems we have been repeatedly. They fucked up.....and we pay the bill. Yes it has all worked out so well.
But to hold the Tories up as a financially competent party is really satire at its very best...
I find your analysis misguided. The banking crisis did not occur because they were self regulating or there wasn't enough regulation. There were multiple causes but on the regulation front; the regulation that existed wasn't enforced properly. A prime example is the failure to categorise credit default swaps as an insurance product.
A massive part of our unsustainable debt situation comes from bailing out the banks, which all the parties supported. I for one wouldn't have bailed them out without breaking their investment and retail operations and letting the former go straight to hell where it belongs. "
That's what the big banks did subsequently, to separate investment and retail arms.
Investment is still needed though. But shouldn't drown the whole bank when things go wrong. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am pointing out that when May wins this election, It will change very little we will bumble along with the same tired policies that have got us in the position i highlighted in my previous post.....However if your happy with the above vote for the status quo."
Whoever wins in any election in the world, little ever changes.
Politicians aren't the ones to make policy. They are only puppets, the actors. They put on a show.
The real bosses who make the rules as it suits them, are the large corporations.
The Capital rules.
Yet, I'll never vote Tory. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may..
No!! They're not so stupid to make that mistake again.
I don't think it was a mistake. There will always be people too simple to remember more than one policy, but for the average reasonably intelligent person they did a good job on balance.
Don't get me wrong, if I could have voted for 'The Coalition' in 2015 I would have. I'm voting LibDem this time. I personally think that the Conservative's pragmatism paired with the LibDem's social conscience and libertarian attitudes made for a very successful government. But it didn't work out well for the LibDems and it's not on offer this time around."
Check first who is your current MP and chances of winning. As it's a majority electoral system, you'd better vote for the one who has the highest chance of success, other than a Torry in ortder to defeat a Torry MP in your constituency.
Otherwise you may simply waste your vote and help a tory.
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may..
No!! They're not so stupid to make that mistake again.
I don't think it was a mistake. There will always be people too simple to remember more than one policy, but for the average reasonably intelligent person they did a good job on balance.
Don't get me wrong, if I could have voted for 'The Coalition' in 2015 I would have. I'm voting LibDem this time. I personally think that the Conservative's pragmatism paired with the LibDem's social conscience and libertarian attitudes made for a very successful government. But it didn't work out well for the LibDems and it's not on offer this time around.
Check first who is your current MP and chances of winning. As it's a majority electoral system, you'd better vote for the one who has the highest chance of success, other than a Torry in ortder to defeat a Torry MP in your constituency.
Otherwise you may simply waste your vote and help a tory.
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Check first who is your current MP and chances of winning. As it's a majority electoral system, you'd better vote for the one who has the highest chance of success, other than Labour in order to defeat a Labour MP in your constituency.
Otherwise you may simply waste your vote and help Corbyn.  |
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may..
No!! They're not so stupid to make that mistake again.
I don't think it was a mistake. There will always be people too simple to remember more than one policy, but for the average reasonably intelligent person they did a good job on balance.
Don't get me wrong, if I could have voted for 'The Coalition' in 2015 I would have. I'm voting LibDem this time. I personally think that the Conservative's pragmatism paired with the LibDem's social conscience and libertarian attitudes made for a very successful government. But it didn't work out well for the LibDems and it's not on offer this time around.
Check first who is your current MP and chances of winning. As it's a majority electoral system, you'd better vote for the one who has the highest chance of success, other than a Torry in ortder to defeat a Torry MP in your constituency.
Otherwise you may simply waste your vote and help a tory.
Check first who is your current MP and chances of winning. As it's a majority electoral system, you'd better vote for the one who has the highest chance of success, other than Labour in order to defeat a Labour MP in your constituency.
Otherwise you may simply waste your vote and help Corbyn. "
Check first what each Candidate and their party stands for then vote for the candidate and party that best represents you're own point of view. Vote for what you actually believe in rather than voting against what you don't.
Otherwise you're simply wasting your vote and helping those you don't really want or agree with to claim your vote as part of their mandate. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may..
No!! They're not so stupid to make that mistake again.
I don't think it was a mistake. There will always be people too simple to remember more than one policy, but for the average reasonably intelligent person they did a good job on balance.
Don't get me wrong, if I could have voted for 'The Coalition' in 2015 I would have. I'm voting LibDem this time. I personally think that the Conservative's pragmatism paired with the LibDem's social conscience and libertarian attitudes made for a very successful government. But it didn't work out well for the LibDems and it's not on offer this time around.
Check first who is your current MP and chances of winning. As it's a majority electoral system, you'd better vote for the one who has the highest chance of success, other than a Torry in ortder to defeat a Torry MP in your constituency.
Otherwise you may simply waste your vote and help a tory.
Check first who is your current MP and chances of winning. As it's a majority electoral system, you'd better vote for the one who has the highest chance of success, other than Labour in order to defeat a Labour MP in your constituency.
Otherwise you may simply waste your vote and help Corbyn.
Check first what each Candidate and their party stands for then vote for the candidate and party that best represents you're own point of view. Vote for what you actually believe in rather than voting against what you don't.
Otherwise you're simply wasting your vote and helping those you don't really want or agree with to claim your vote as part of their mandate."
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I think non extreme Tory voters should want a much reduced majority or a hung parliament.
How else can we heal the huge divisions in the UK ?
Ok we dont yet have a Macron or Trudeau but they will emerge as the space is created
If we don't heal divisions we head towards a US type situation with.ever more extreme options. |
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"I think non extreme Tory voters should want a much reduced majority or a hung parliament.
How else can we heal the huge divisions in the UK ?
Ok we dont yet have a Macron or Trudeau but they will emerge as the space is created
If we don't heal divisions we head towards a US type situation with.ever more extreme options. "
Which divisions need healing? |
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may..
No!! They're not so stupid to make that mistake again.
I don't think it was a mistake. There will always be people too simple to remember more than one policy, but for the average reasonably intelligent person they did a good job on balance.
Don't get me wrong, if I could have voted for 'The Coalition' in 2015 I would have. I'm voting LibDem this time. I personally think that the Conservative's pragmatism paired with the LibDem's social conscience and libertarian attitudes made for a very successful government. But it didn't work out well for the LibDems and it's not on offer this time around.
Check first who is your current MP and chances of winning. As it's a majority electoral system, you'd better vote for the one who has the highest chance of success, other than a Torry in ortder to defeat a Torry MP in your constituency.
Otherwise you may simply waste your vote and help a tory.
Check first who is your current MP and chances of winning. As it's a majority electoral system, you'd better vote for the one who has the highest chance of success, other than Labour in order to defeat a Labour MP in your constituency.
Otherwise you may simply waste your vote and help Corbyn. "
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may..
No!! They're not so stupid to make that mistake again.
I don't think it was a mistake. There will always be people too simple to remember more than one policy, but for the average reasonably intelligent person they did a good job on balance.
Don't get me wrong, if I could have voted for 'The Coalition' in 2015 I would have. I'm voting LibDem this time. I personally think that the Conservative's pragmatism paired with the LibDem's social conscience and libertarian attitudes made for a very successful government. But it didn't work out well for the LibDems and it's not on offer this time around.
Check first who is your current MP and chances of winning. As it's a majority electoral system, you'd better vote for the one who has the highest chance of success, other than a Torry in ortder to defeat a Torry MP in your constituency.
Otherwise you may simply waste your vote and help a tory.
Check first who is your current MP and chances of winning. As it's a majority electoral system, you'd better vote for the one who has the highest chance of success, other than Labour in order to defeat a Labour MP in your constituency.
Otherwise you may simply waste your vote and help Corbyn.
Check first what each Candidate and their party stands for then vote for the candidate and party that best represents you're own point of view. Vote for what you actually believe in rather than voting against what you don't.
Otherwise you're simply wasting your vote and helping those you don't really want or agree with to claim your vote as part of their mandate."
Your advice may work in Proportional System, but not here. You will surely waste your vote, that's clear.
Further, how many people actually believe in any of the BS that all parties promise?
One must have the IQ of a 5yo if one was to believe it.
Votes are usually "against" , not "for".
Torry supporters will vote Tory in order to be against Labour and Renainers. Labour electorate will have to vote whoever has the highest chance of winning in their constituency, be it labour or libdem in order to defeat the torry...
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"What the polls say and what actually happens are two separate things.
Haven't the polls got the recent big events wrong lately?
Brexit and trump
Hopefully her majority will be DELETED. I thought the coalition government did a good job on the whole. Do you think the lib dems will get into bed with mrs may..
No!! They're not so stupid to make that mistake again.
I don't think it was a mistake. There will always be people too simple to remember more than one policy, but for the average reasonably intelligent person they did a good job on balance.
Don't get me wrong, if I could have voted for 'The Coalition' in 2015 I would have. I'm voting LibDem this time. I personally think that the Conservative's pragmatism paired with the LibDem's social conscience and libertarian attitudes made for a very successful government. But it didn't work out well for the LibDems and it's not on offer this time around.
Check first who is your current MP and chances of winning. As it's a majority electoral system, you'd better vote for the one who has the highest chance of success, other than a Torry in ortder to defeat a Torry MP in your constituency.
Otherwise you may simply waste your vote and help a tory.
Check first who is your current MP and chances of winning. As it's a majority electoral system, you'd better vote for the one who has the highest chance of success, other than Labour in order to defeat a Labour MP in your constituency.
Otherwise you may simply waste your vote and help Corbyn.
Check first what each Candidate and their party stands for then vote for the candidate and party that best represents you're own point of view. Vote for what you actually believe in rather than voting against what you don't.
Otherwise you're simply wasting your vote and helping those you don't really want or agree with to claim your vote as part of their mandate."
I actually agree with that. My earlier post was just a poke at the one I quoted. |
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The status quo of a this downward spiral is what really scares me......We need to make sure it is the Govt elected by the people who dictate policy. Not Amazon, Wal Mart,Apple, telling us how much tax they fancy paying.....  |
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"The status quo of a this downward spiral is what really scares me......We need to make sure it is the Govt elected by the people who dictate policy. Not Amazon, Wal Mart,Apple, telling us how much tax they fancy paying..... "
It would be interesting when that happens. It has never been the case in the history of the established countries and I can't see any indications that this may change in the next millennium or two.
Unless a steroid wipes out all and we start afresh.... |
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By *robertsCouple
over a year ago
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With Brexit most important than anything what worries me the most and for the sake of our future is that we're going to have 27 countries battling us for everything they can . It's absolutely vital that we have a strong strong leader at the helm during these negeotations and if that turns out to be any other than Teresa May then we , as a nation are absolutely bang in trouble.
For the life of me Corbyn is no where near strong enough and it will be us that pay the price . |
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"The status quo of a this downward spiral is what really scares me......We need to make sure it is the Govt elected by the people who dictate policy. Not Amazon, Wal Mart,Apple, telling us how much tax they fancy paying.....
It would be interesting when that happens. It has never been the case in the history of the established countries and I can't see any indications that this may change in the next millennium or two.
Unless a steroid wipes out all and we start afresh.... "
Asteroid of course
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"With Brexit most important than anything what worries me the most and for the sake of our future is that we're going to have 27 countries battling us for everything they can . It's absolutely vital that we have a strong strong leader at the helm during these negeotations and if that turns out to be any other than Teresa May then we , as a nation are absolutely bang in trouble.
For the life of me Corbyn is no where near strong enough and it will be us that pay the price . "
We paid the price the moment Cameron bowed to pressure from Ukip and called their bluff with the ill-thought Referendum.
Corbyn, May or whoever it may be, it won't make a tiny bit of difference. Negotiations arent made by individuals but by countries.
The so called "negotiator" can only say and do whatever they are told to do. Hence, sending the PM's cleaner to the EU talks will achieve just the same as having PM at the table.
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"With Brexit most important than anything what worries me the most and for the sake of our future is that we're going to have 27 countries battling us for everything they can . It's absolutely vital that we have a strong strong leader at the helm during these negeotations and if that turns out to be any other than Teresa May then we , as a nation are absolutely bang in trouble.
For the life of me Corbyn is no where near strong enough and it will be us that pay the price . "
Even the worlds greatest negotiator wouldnt be able to convince you to trade your house for a garden shed. |
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"With Brexit most important than anything what worries me the most and for the sake of our future is that we're going to have 27 countries battling us for everything they can . It's absolutely vital that we have a strong strong leader at the helm during these negeotations and if that turns out to be any other than Teresa May then we , as a nation are absolutely bang in trouble.
For the life of me Corbyn is no where near strong enough and it will be us that pay the price . "
As I understand it we wont be negotiating against 27 other nations - rather the negotiator or team put forward by the EU.
In addition we do not need to worry about the bulk of other nations and their leaders as most want a good mutually benificial relationship with us. Sadly its just a small group of people within the EU who wish for everyone to cut their own noses off.
Ultimately, one of two options are most likely to happen. We get a good deal from the EU because nobody wants to deal with the mutual collateral damage, or the result is bad for everyone.
But seeing as how this GE is no longer about brexit I do not think it is actually the most important issue.
More people prioritise the state of the NHS over it.
In addition we face up to 40% job automation by 2030. Think about it. It takes 5-3 years to train up a nurse, how many years will it take to develop the infastructure and skills base in this nation for it to capitalise of the new jobs from automation, to replace the old. |
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"With Brexit most important than anything what worries me the most and for the sake of our future is that we're going to have 27 countries battling us for everything they can . It's absolutely vital that we have a strong strong leader at the helm during these negeotations and if that turns out to be any other than Teresa May then we , as a nation are absolutely bang in trouble.
For the life of me Corbyn is no where near strong enough and it will be us that pay the price .
As I understand it we wont be negotiating against 27 other nations - rather the negotiator or team put forward by the EU.
In addition we do not need to worry about the bulk of other nations and their leaders as most want a good mutually benificial relationship with us. Sadly its just a small group of people within the EU who wish for everyone to cut their own noses off.
Ultimately, one of two options are most likely to happen. We get a good deal from the EU because nobody wants to deal with the mutual collateral damage, or the result is bad for everyone.
But seeing as how this GE is no longer about brexit I do not think it is actually the most important issue.
More people prioritise the state of the NHS over it.
In addition we face up to 40% job automation by 2030. Think about it. It takes 5-3 years to train up a nurse, how many years will it take to develop the infastructure and skills base in this nation for it to capitalise of the new jobs from automation, to replace the old."
What is your source for saying more people put the NHS as their voting priority compared to Brexit? Genuinely interested |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"With Brexit most important than anything what worries me the most and for the sake of our future is that we're going to have 27 countries battling us for everything they can . It's absolutely vital that we have a strong strong leader at the helm during these negeotations and if that turns out to be any other than Teresa May then we , as a nation are absolutely bang in trouble.
For the life of me Corbyn is no where near strong enough and it will be us that pay the price .
Even the worlds greatest negotiator wouldnt be able to convince you to trade your house for a garden shed."
Well if your house was on the edge of a cliff which was being undermined and about to fall into the sea and the garden shed happened to be in knightsbridge then I reckon he could |
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"With Brexit most important than anything what worries me the most and for the sake of our future is that we're going to have 27 countries battling us for everything they can . It's absolutely vital that we have a strong strong leader at the helm during these negeotations and if that turns out to be any other than Teresa May then we , as a nation are absolutely bang in trouble.
For the life of me Corbyn is no where near strong enough and it will be us that pay the price .
Even the worlds greatest negotiator wouldnt be able to convince you to trade your house for a garden shed.
Well if your house was on the edge of a cliff which was being undermined and about to fall into the sea and the garden shed happened to be in knightsbridge then I reckon he could "
Your illustration merely reinforces the idea of the previous poster. It's not the negotiator that matters, but the circumstances. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"With Brexit most important than anything what worries me the most and for the sake of our future is that we're going to have 27 countries battling us for everything they can . It's absolutely vital that we have a strong strong leader at the helm during these negeotations and if that turns out to be any other than Teresa May then we , as a nation are absolutely bang in trouble.
For the life of me Corbyn is no where near strong enough and it will be us that pay the price .
Even the worlds greatest negotiator wouldnt be able to convince you to trade your house for a garden shed.
Well if your house was on the edge of a cliff which was being undermined and about to fall into the sea and the garden shed happened to be in knightsbridge then I reckon he could
Your illustration merely reinforces the idea of the previous poster. It's not the negotiator that matters, but the circumstances."
No its seeing beyond the end of your nose and to the long term, this is where the uk has the advantage in that the eu is fixated on free movement and will cut off its nose to spite its face to maintain that, if we have people on our side that can see this we can use it to our advantage, we need experienced business people on our team not career civil servants who have never worked in the real world |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"With Brexit most important than anything what worries me the most and for the sake of our future is that we're going to have 27 countries battling us for everything they can . It's absolutely vital that we have a strong strong leader at the helm during these negeotations and if that turns out to be any other than Teresa May then we , as a nation are absolutely bang in trouble.
For the life of me Corbyn is no where near strong enough and it will be us that pay the price .
Even the worlds greatest negotiator wouldnt be able to convince you to trade your house for a garden shed.
Well if your house was on the edge of a cliff which was being undermined and about to fall into the sea and the garden shed happened to be in knightsbridge then I reckon he could
Your illustration merely reinforces the idea of the previous poster. It's not the negotiator that matters, but the circumstances.
No its seeing beyond the end of your nose and to the long term, this is where the uk has the advantage in that the eu is fixated on free movement and will cut off its nose to spite its face to maintain that, if we have people on our side that can see this we can use it to our advantage, we need experienced business people on our team not career civil servants who have never worked in the real world"
I'm an 'experienced business person'. Would I be any good at negotiating Brexit? No, I'd be shite. I don't have the skills or experience to do that.
But brexiteers are just in denial. This chap just said it very well:
http://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/brexiters-in-denial-we-didnt-mean-that.html
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"With Brexit most important than anything what worries me the most and for the sake of our future is that we're going to have 27 countries battling us for everything they can . It's absolutely vital that we have a strong strong leader at the helm during these negeotations and if that turns out to be any other than Teresa May then we , as a nation are absolutely bang in trouble.
For the life of me Corbyn is no where near strong enough and it will be us that pay the price .
Even the worlds greatest negotiator wouldnt be able to convince you to trade your house for a garden shed.
Well if your house was on the edge of a cliff which was being undermined and about to fall into the sea and the garden shed happened to be in knightsbridge then I reckon he could
Your illustration merely reinforces the idea of the previous poster. It's not the negotiator that matters, but the circumstances.
No its seeing beyond the end of your nose and to the long term, this is where the uk has the advantage in that the eu is fixated on free movement and will cut off its nose to spite its face to maintain that, if we have people on our side that can see this we can use it to our advantage, we need experienced business people on our team not career civil servants who have never worked in the real world"
Negotiating Brexit will take knowledge of the entire geopolitical situations between and involving both the EU and Britain. This isnt buying a fleet of cars at a good price its about a lot more than that.
Brexiters dont understand that though. |
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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago
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"With Brexit most important than anything what worries me the most and for the sake of our future is that we're going to have 27 countries battling us for everything they can . It's absolutely vital that we have a strong strong leader at the helm during these negeotations and if that turns out to be any other than Teresa May then we , as a nation are absolutely bang in trouble.
For the life of me Corbyn is no where near strong enough and it will be us that pay the price .
Even the worlds greatest negotiator wouldnt be able to convince you to trade your house for a garden shed.
Well if your house was on the edge of a cliff which was being undermined and about to fall into the sea and the garden shed happened to be in knightsbridge then I reckon he could
Your illustration merely reinforces the idea of the previous poster. It's not the negotiator that matters, but the circumstances.
No its seeing beyond the end of your nose and to the long term, this is where the uk has the advantage in that the eu is fixated on free movement and will cut off its nose to spite its face to maintain that, if we have people on our side that can see this we can use it to our advantage, we need experienced business people on our team not career civil servants who have never worked in the real world
Negotiating Brexit will take knowledge of the entire geopolitical situations between and involving both the EU and Britain. This isnt buying a fleet of cars at a good price its about a lot more than that.
Brexiters dont understand that though."
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By *obka3Couple
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Negotiating Brexit will take knowledge of the entire geopolitical situations between and involving both the EU and Britain. This isnt buying a fleet of cars at a good price its about a lot more than that.
Brexiters dont understand that though."
No shit well I never knew that it was complex. Thats why you have a team, some will have political experience and some with the real world business knowledge. It is the gdp that pays the wages and expenses of the uk and that is where we will thrive as those who voted leave believe we will when out of the EU.
Do you really think JC and mcdonald are capable of doing it? You are entitled to have a dim view of TM but at least she has had experience of being in government the other two have no experience of anything except the gravy train of politics |
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Negotiating Brexit will take knowledge of the entire geopolitical situations between and involving both the EU and Britain. This isnt buying a fleet of cars at a good price its about a lot more than that.
Brexiters dont understand that though.
No shit well I never knew that it was complex. Thats why you have a team, some will have political experience and some with the real world business knowledge. It is the gdp that pays the wages and expenses of the uk and that is where we will thrive as those who voted leave believe we will when out of the EU.
Do you really think JC and mcdonald are capable of doing it? You are entitled to have a dim view of TM but at least she has had experience of being in government the other two have no experience of anything except the gravy train of politics"
On an objective score out of 10. I'd rate TM 4/10 and JC 2/10. TM's record at the home office is embarassing by anyones standards. JC doesn't even have a record.
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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Negotiating Brexit will take knowledge of the entire geopolitical situations between and involving both the EU and Britain. This isnt buying a fleet of cars at a good price its about a lot more than that.
Brexiters dont understand that though.
No shit well I never knew that it was complex. Thats why you have a team, some will have political experience and some with the real world business knowledge. It is the gdp that pays the wages and expenses of the uk and that is where we will thrive as those who voted leave believe we will when out of the EU.
Do you really think JC and mcdonald are capable of doing it? You are entitled to have a dim view of TM but at least she has had experience of being in government the other two have no experience of anything except the gravy train of politics
On an objective score out of 10. I'd rate TM 4/10 and JC 2/10. TM's record at the home office is embarassing by anyones standards. JC doesn't even have a record.
To think we laughed at the americans when they had to choose between Clinton and Trump "
Yes, Mays record as home sec and PM has been pretty embarrassing. And doesn't look like going to get any better. No, Corbyn doesn't have track record but at least has integrity. The US might be a very different place now if Sanders hadnt been shot in the foot by his own party.
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"With Brexit most important than anything what worries me the most and for the sake of our future is that we're going to have 27 countries battling us for everything they can . It's absolutely vital that we have a strong strong leader at the helm during these negeotations and if that turns out to be any other than Teresa May then we , as a nation are absolutely bang in trouble.
For the life of me Corbyn is no where near strong enough and it will be us that pay the price .
Even the worlds greatest negotiator wouldnt be able to convince you to trade your house for a garden shed.
Well if your house was on the edge of a cliff which was being undermined and about to fall into the sea and the garden shed happened to be in knightsbridge then I reckon he could
Your illustration merely reinforces the idea of the previous poster. It's not the negotiator that matters, but the circumstances.
No its seeing beyond the end of your nose and to the long term, this is where the uk has the advantage in that the eu is fixated on free movement and will cut off its nose to spite its face to maintain that, if we have people on our side that can see this we can use it to our advantage, we need experienced business people on our team not career civil servants who have never worked in the real world
Negotiating Brexit will take knowledge of the entire geopolitical situations between and involving both the EU and Britain. This isnt buying a fleet of cars at a good price its about a lot more than that.
Brexiters dont understand that though. And you do i suppose "
Do I understand that for the EU trade is only a small part of the negotiation and that their main goal is to ensure the survival of the EU and to make leaving the EU unpalatable to the other 27 and that their secondary goals include the UK returning to the EU in the future? Yes I do. |
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"Well luckily we have Hammond, and we have had all those other capitalists in charge....So the country is booming and unemployment is a distant memory.. We have a massive budget surplus year on year as well....Yes i can see why your scared of someone like McDonnell being in charge.. We would have millions unemployed, food banks for the poor and be over a Trillion in debt,... i am following your reasoning here "
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By *obka3Couple
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Yes, Mays record as home sec and PM has been pretty embarrassing. And doesn't look like going to get any better. No, Corbyn doesn't have track record but at least has integrity. The US might be a very different place now if Sanders hadnt been shot in the foot by his own party.
-Matt "
Would that be the itegrity of voting against his own party many times because he believed he was right but now expects his mp's to vote his way because he is right and they are wrong, or perhaps using the manchester bomb this week for political advantage. All his opponents have criticised him for that, oh and the anti semitic issue which he ducks from. |
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Negotiating Brexit will take knowledge of the entire geopolitical situations between and involving both the EU and Britain. This isnt buying a fleet of cars at a good price its about a lot more than that.
Brexiters dont understand that though.
No shit well I never knew that it was complex. Thats why you have a team, some will have political experience and some with the real world business knowledge. It is the gdp that pays the wages and expenses of the uk and that is where we will thrive as those who voted leave believe we will when out of the EU.
Do you really think JC and mcdonald are capable of doing it? You are entitled to have a dim view of TM but at least she has had experience of being in government the other two have no experience of anything except the gravy train of politics"
Well your original quote said that you felt the negotiating team needed business people not civil servants.
Business people have no experience making these kinds of deals whereas civil servants make deals with foreign governments regularly. So why would you take people who have experience in this area out of the equation and replace them with people who have no experience?
And if your argument is May has a bad track record and Corbyn has none thats a pretty damning indictment of May. The PM (who will almost certainly be May) will set the directiom and general tone of the deals, they wont be the ones dealing with the minutiae of the deal.
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Negotiating Brexit will take knowledge of the entire geopolitical situations between and involving both the EU and Britain. This isnt buying a fleet of cars at a good price its about a lot more than that.
Brexiters dont understand that though.
No shit well I never knew that it was complex. Thats why you have a team, some will have political experience and some with the real world business knowledge. It is the gdp that pays the wages and expenses of the uk and that is where we will thrive as those who voted leave believe we will when out of the EU.
Do you really think JC and mcdonald are capable of doing it? You are entitled to have a dim view of TM but at least she has had experience of being in government the other two have no experience of anything except the gravy train of politics
On an objective score out of 10. I'd rate TM 4/10 and JC 2/10. TM's record at the home office is embarassing by anyones standards. JC doesn't even have a record.
To think we laughed at the americans when they had to choose between Clinton and Trump
Yes, Mays record as home sec and PM has been pretty embarrassing. And doesn't look like going to get any better. No, Corbyn doesn't have track record but at least has integrity. The US might be a very different place now if Sanders hadnt been shot in the foot by his own party.
-Matt "
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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Negotiating Brexit will take knowledge of the entire geopolitical situations between and involving both the EU and Britain. This isnt buying a fleet of cars at a good price its about a lot more than that.
Brexiters dont understand that though.
No shit well I never knew that it was complex. Thats why you have a team, some will have political experience and some with the real world business knowledge. It is the gdp that pays the wages and expenses of the uk and that is where we will thrive as those who voted leave believe we will when out of the EU.
Do you really think JC and mcdonald are capable of doing it? You are entitled to have a dim view of TM but at least she has had experience of being in government the other two have no experience of anything except the gravy train of politics
Well your original quote said that you felt the negotiating team needed business people not civil servants.
Business people have no experience making these kinds of deals whereas civil servants make deals with foreign governments regularly. So why would you take people who have experience in this area out of the equation and replace them with people who have no experience?
And if your argument is May has a bad track record and Corbyn has none thats a pretty damning indictment of May. The PM (who will almost certainly be May) will set the directiom and general tone of the deals, they wont be the ones dealing with the minutiae of the deal.
Mays set her stall out and its the most damning version for the UK."
You have claimed in the past that the uk dont have civil servants with experience of doing trade deals as it has been done at eu level, its strange that any project that involves civil servants goes way over budget, they just dont have a grasp on things if its left to them it will be a disaster.
I didnt say TM's record was bad I said it was a view that some take, the eu say we cant be members of the single market and have movement control, which is what people voted for, they were continually told by both sides last year that a vote to leave was to leave the single market so its not TM's vision its what the country voted for |
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Negotiating Brexit will take knowledge of the entire geopolitical situations between and involving both the EU and Britain. This isnt buying a fleet of cars at a good price its about a lot more than that.
Brexiters dont understand that though.
No shit well I never knew that it was complex. Thats why you have a team, some will have political experience and some with the real world business knowledge. It is the gdp that pays the wages and expenses of the uk and that is where we will thrive as those who voted leave believe we will when out of the EU.
Do you really think JC and mcdonald are capable of doing it? You are entitled to have a dim view of TM but at least she has had experience of being in government the other two have no experience of anything except the gravy train of politics
Well your original quote said that you felt the negotiating team needed business people not civil servants.
Business people have no experience making these kinds of deals whereas civil servants make deals with foreign governments regularly. So why would you take people who have experience in this area out of the equation and replace them with people who have no experience?
And if your argument is May has a bad track record and Corbyn has none thats a pretty damning indictment of May. The PM (who will almost certainly be May) will set the directiom and general tone of the deals, they wont be the ones dealing with the minutiae of the deal.
Mays set her stall out and its the most damning version for the UK.
You have claimed in the past that the uk dont have civil servants with experience of doing trade deals as it has been done at eu level, its strange that any project that involves civil servants goes way over budget, they just dont have a grasp on things if its left to them it will be a disaster.
I didnt say TM's record was bad I said it was a view that some take, the eu say we cant be members of the single market and have movement control, which is what people voted for, they were continually told by both sides last year that a vote to leave was to leave the single market so its not TM's vision its what the country voted for"
A lot of large private projects go over budget too but you dont hear about them because the government are required to update the tax payer. 60% of private commericial construction projects go over budget in the UK.
And while the UK hasnt had to do trade agreements the civil servants have had to do other international deals which is better than never having done deals like this. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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Negotiating Brexit will take knowledge of the entire geopolitical situations between and involving both the EU and Britain. This isnt buying a fleet of cars at a good price its about a lot more than that.
Brexiters dont understand that though.
No shit well I never knew that it was complex. Thats why you have a team, some will have political experience and some with the real world business knowledge. It is the gdp that pays the wages and expenses of the uk and that is where we will thrive as those who voted leave believe we will when out of the EU.
Do you really think JC and mcdonald are capable of doing it? You are entitled to have a dim view of TM but at least she has had experience of being in government the other two have no experience of anything except the gravy train of politics
On an objective score out of 10. I'd rate TM 4/10 and JC 2/10. TM's record at the home office is embarassing by anyones standards. JC doesn't even have a record.
To think we laughed at the americans when they had to choose between Clinton and Trump
Yes, Mays record as home sec and PM has been pretty embarrassing. And doesn't look like going to get any better. No, Corbyn doesn't have track record but at least has integrity. The US might be a very different place now if Sanders hadnt been shot in the foot by his own party.
-Matt
There's certainly no integrity in adding debt to an unsustainable debt burden. Just a childish refusal to face up to a problem which will have even more severe consequences the longer we leave it. "
The Tories anc their supporters are, as ever, economically illiterate.
The Tories have zero credibility on the economy. That they could make two colosssl blunders that a child could have avoided in a manifesto that could be charitably described throughout as 'optimistically uncosted' at the very best is just incredible.
Or at least it would be, if we haven't already had seven years of their bungling. |
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Negotiating Brexit will take knowledge of the entire geopolitical situations between and involving both the EU and Britain. This isnt buying a fleet of cars at a good price its about a lot more than that.
Brexiters dont understand that though.
No shit well I never knew that it was complex. Thats why you have a team, some will have political experience and some with the real world business knowledge. It is the gdp that pays the wages and expenses of the uk and that is where we will thrive as those who voted leave believe we will when out of the EU.
Do you really think JC and mcdonald are capable of doing it? You are entitled to have a dim view of TM but at least she has had experience of being in government the other two have no experience of anything except the gravy train of politics
On an objective score out of 10. I'd rate TM 4/10 and JC 2/10. TM's record at the home office is embarassing by anyones standards. JC doesn't even have a record.
To think we laughed at the americans when they had to choose between Clinton and Trump
Yes, Mays record as home sec and PM has been pretty embarrassing. And doesn't look like going to get any better. No, Corbyn doesn't have track record but at least has integrity. The US might be a very different place now if Sanders hadnt been shot in the foot by his own party.
-Matt
There's certainly no integrity in adding debt to an unsustainable debt burden. Just a childish refusal to face up to a problem which will have even more severe consequences the longer we leave it.
The Tories anc their supporters are, as ever, economically illiterate.
The Tories have zero credibility on the economy. That they could make two colosssl blunders that a child could have avoided in a manifesto that could be charitably described throughout as 'optimistically uncosted' at the very best is just incredible.
Or at least it would be, if we haven't already had seven years of their bungling. "
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Negotiating Brexit will take knowledge of the entire geopolitical situations between and involving both the EU and Britain. This isnt buying a fleet of cars at a good price its about a lot more than that.
Brexiters dont understand that though.
No shit well I never knew that it was complex. Thats why you have a team, some will have political experience and some with the real world business knowledge. It is the gdp that pays the wages and expenses of the uk and that is where we will thrive as those who voted leave believe we will when out of the EU.
Do you really think JC and mcdonald are capable of doing it? You are entitled to have a dim view of TM but at least she has had experience of being in government the other two have no experience of anything except the gravy train of politics
On an objective score out of 10. I'd rate TM 4/10 and JC 2/10. TM's record at the home office is embarassing by anyones standards. JC doesn't even have a record.
To think we laughed at the americans when they had to choose between Clinton and Trump
Yes, Mays record as home sec and PM has been pretty embarrassing. And doesn't look like going to get any better. No, Corbyn doesn't have track record but at least has integrity. The US might be a very different place now if Sanders hadnt been shot in the foot by his own party.
-Matt
There's certainly no integrity in adding debt to an unsustainable debt burden. Just a childish refusal to face up to a problem which will have even more severe consequences the longer we leave it.
The Tories anc their supporters are, as ever, economically illiterate.
The Tories have zero credibility on the economy. That they could make two colosssl blunders that a child could have avoided in a manifesto that could be charitably described throughout as 'optimistically uncosted' at the very best is just incredible.
Or at least it would be, if we haven't already had seven years of their bungling.
The tories being bad doesn't make labour good."
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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Negotiating Brexit will take knowledge of the entire geopolitical situations between and involving both the EU and Britain. This isnt buying a fleet of cars at a good price its about a lot more than that.
Brexiters dont understand that though.
No shit well I never knew that it was complex. Thats why you have a team, some will have political experience and some with the real world business knowledge. It is the gdp that pays the wages and expenses of the uk and that is where we will thrive as those who voted leave believe we will when out of the EU.
Do you really think JC and mcdonald are capable of doing it? You are entitled to have a dim view of TM but at least she has had experience of being in government the other two have no experience of anything except the gravy train of politics
On an objective score out of 10. I'd rate TM 4/10 and JC 2/10. TM's record at the home office is embarassing by anyones standards. JC doesn't even have a record.
To think we laughed at the americans when they had to choose between Clinton and Trump
Yes, Mays record as home sec and PM has been pretty embarrassing. And doesn't look like going to get any better. No, Corbyn doesn't have track record but at least has integrity. The US might be a very different place now if Sanders hadnt been shot in the foot by his own party.
-Matt
There's certainly no integrity in adding debt to an unsustainable debt burden. Just a childish refusal to face up to a problem which will have even more severe consequences the longer we leave it.
The Tories anc their supporters are, as ever, economically illiterate.
The Tories have zero credibility on the economy. That they could make two colosssl blunders that a child could have avoided in a manifesto that could be charitably described throughout as 'optimistically uncosted' at the very best is just incredible.
Or at least it would be, if we haven't already had seven years of their bungling.
The tories being bad doesn't make labour good."
You're right. Labour being good is what makes Labour good.
The Tories are the party of economic illiteracy. The only people who think otherwise are the people so economically illiterate themselves they believe what the Tory papers tell them about the Tories and the economy, rather than being able to work things out for themselves.
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"Even though I've never voted labour in a GE and mostly voted Tory I'd piss my self laughing if the Conservatives lost or got a reduced majority "
I vote for the party I believe will do the best job despite being very right wing - I've even voted Labour. I cannot see Corbyn and his left wing clowns being good for this country. At the same time I don't want to vote for the Tories and I too will have a good laugh if they actually end up with less seats. |
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Negotiating Brexit will take knowledge of the entire geopolitical situations between and involving both the EU and Britain. This isnt buying a fleet of cars at a good price its about a lot more than that.
Brexiters dont understand that though.
No shit well I never knew that it was complex. Thats why you have a team, some will have political experience and some with the real world business knowledge. It is the gdp that pays the wages and expenses of the uk and that is where we will thrive as those who voted leave believe we will when out of the EU.
Do you really think JC and mcdonald are capable of doing it? You are entitled to have a dim view of TM but at least she has had experience of being in government the other two have no experience of anything except the gravy train of politics
Well your original quote said that you felt the negotiating team needed business people not civil servants.
Business people have no experience making these kinds of deals whereas civil servants make deals with foreign governments regularly. So why would you take people who have experience in this area out of the equation and replace them with people who have no experience?
And if your argument is May has a bad track record and Corbyn has none thats a pretty damning indictment of May. The PM (who will almost certainly be May) will set the directiom and general tone of the deals, they wont be the ones dealing with the minutiae of the deal.
Mays set her stall out and its the most damning version for the UK.
You have claimed in the past that the uk dont have civil servants with experience of doing trade deals as it has been done at eu level, its strange that any project that involves civil servants goes way over budget, they just dont have a grasp on things if its left to them it will be a disaster.
I didnt say TM's record was bad I said it was a view that some take, the eu say we cant be members of the single market and have movement control, which is what people voted for, they were continually told by both sides last year that a vote to leave was to leave the single market so its not TM's vision its what the country voted for"
And here we have the BREXIT lie again. The British people were not continually told by both sides that voting to leave the EU was also a vote to leave the single market. Some leavers said if we leave the EU we should leave the single market, some leavers said if we leave the EU we won't have to leave the single market. Most remainders warned that if we voted to leave the EU ardent BREXITers would also try and force us out of the single market to.
When are BRECITers going to stop lying or is it just in their nature to say anything, whether true or not, if they think it will help their current argument? |
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Negotiating Brexit will take knowledge of the entire geopolitical situations between and involving both the EU and Britain. This isnt buying a fleet of cars at a good price its about a lot more than that.
Brexiters dont understand that though.
No shit well I never knew that it was complex. Thats why you have a team, some will have political experience and some with the real world business knowledge. It is the gdp that pays the wages and expenses of the uk and that is where we will thrive as those who voted leave believe we will when out of the EU.
Do you really think JC and mcdonald are capable of doing it? You are entitled to have a dim view of TM but at least she has had experience of being in government the other two have no experience of anything except the gravy train of politics
On an objective score out of 10. I'd rate TM 4/10 and JC 2/10. TM's record at the home office is embarassing by anyones standards. JC doesn't even have a record.
To think we laughed at the americans when they had to choose between Clinton and Trump
Yes, Mays record as home sec and PM has been pretty embarrassing. And doesn't look like going to get any better. No, Corbyn doesn't have track record but at least has integrity. The US might be a very different place now if Sanders hadnt been shot in the foot by his own party.
-Matt
There's certainly no integrity in adding debt to an unsustainable debt burden. Just a childish refusal to face up to a problem which will have even more severe consequences the longer we leave it.
The Tories anc their supporters are, as ever, economically illiterate.
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I really think this is a good example of the pot calling the kettle black. The main areas that the Conservatives have come into most difficulty with is the pensioners' fuel allowance, long term social care and the triple pensions lock. None of these have anything to do with economic credibility.
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The Tories have zero credibility on the economy. That they could make two colosssl blunders that a child could have avoided in a manifesto that could be charitably described throughout as 'optimistically uncosted' at the very best is just incredible.
Or at least it would be, if we haven't already had seven years of their bungling. "
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"think people see them a lying little shits more"
They're politicians...they're ALL lying little shits...its what they get paid to do...what do you expect?
Noses in the trough, hands in the till, all aboard the gravy train...
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Two weeks from making this post, I'm thinking I should have placed a bet on my hunch at the time.
With one more day of campaigning left, the tories are rattled and JC has survived the worse that the media can throw at him which, given the malice and dishonesty of the gutter press, is quite something.
In an era of political upsets, I'm still expecting no overall majority.
Given that tories are ruthless about replacing failing leaders, perhaps there will soon be yet another political contest to feed the media appetite for talking shite ad nauseam. Oh joy! |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Two weeks from making this post, I'm thinking I should have placed a bet on my hunch at the time.
With one more day of campaigning left, the tories are rattled and JC has survived the worse that the media can throw at him which, given the malice and dishonesty of the gutter press, is quite something.
In an era of political upsets, I'm still expecting no overall majority.
Given that tories are ruthless about replacing failing leaders, perhaps there will soon be yet another political contest to feed the media appetite for talking shite ad nauseam. Oh joy!"
The Daily Mail has taken Project Fear to a new level today. |
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The people have spoken. Indeed, Tories suffered humiliation. More so their unellected leader who squatted as a PM. She should resign straight away and give the opportunity to David Davis perhaps, to try patch up the party.
Results mean No to a hard Brexshit. |
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"The people have spoken. Indeed, Tories suffered humiliation. More so their unellected leader who squatted as a PM. She should resign straight away and give the opportunity to David Davis perhaps, to try patch up the party.
Results mean No to a hard Brexshit. "
this in general, though not sure that David Davis will be in office when May goes.. |
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
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"The people have spoken. Indeed, Tories suffered humiliation. More so their unellected leader who squatted as a PM. She should resign straight away and give the opportunity to David Davis perhaps, to try patch up the party.
Results mean No to a hard Brexshit. "
It's amazing - the Labour party has just run the best campaign in the history of the world and still not won the election and yet suddenly everyone of a left leaning persuasion suddenly thinks they have a monopoly on opinions |
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"It's amazing - the Labour party has just run the best campaign in the history of the world and still not won the election and yet suddenly everyone of a left leaning persuasion suddenly thinks they have a monopoly on opinions "
.... says the bloke who just expressed an opinion |
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"The people have spoken. Indeed, Tories suffered humiliation. More so their unellected leader who squatted as a PM. She should resign straight away and give the opportunity to David Davis perhaps, to try patch up the party.
Results mean No to a hard Brexshit.
It's amazing - the Labour party has just run the best campaign in the history of the world and still not won the election and yet suddenly everyone of a left leaning persuasion suddenly thinks they have a monopoly on opinions "
your easily amazed..
opinions on a forum..
whatever next.. |
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
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"The people have spoken. Indeed, Tories suffered humiliation. More so their unellected leader who squatted as a PM. She should resign straight away and give the opportunity to David Davis perhaps, to try patch up the party.
Results mean No to a hard Brexshit.
It's amazing - the Labour party has just run the best campaign in the history of the world and still not won the election and yet suddenly everyone of a left leaning persuasion suddenly thinks they have a monopoly on opinions
your easily amazed..
opinions on a forum..
whatever next.."
I think sarcasm gets lost in text lol. Ultimately I think it is very healthy to have opinions it's the fact that they just shout down anyone else who has a differing opinion and ignore inconvenient truths/facts - such as the fact that the majority of people did not vote Labour |
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"The people have spoken. Indeed, Tories suffered humiliation. More so their unellected leader who squatted as a PM. She should resign straight away and give the opportunity to David Davis perhaps, to try patch up the party.
Results mean No to a hard Brexshit.
It's amazing - the Labour party has just run the best campaign in the history of the world and still not won the election and yet suddenly everyone of a left leaning persuasion suddenly thinks they have a monopoly on opinions
your easily amazed..
opinions on a forum..
whatever next..
I think sarcasm gets lost in text lol. Ultimately I think it is very healthy to have opinions it's the fact that they just shout down anyone else who has a differing opinion and ignore inconvenient truths/facts - such as the fact that the majority of people did not vote Labour"
Shouting down people and ignoring truths..hmm sounds like the house of commons. |
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"The people have spoken. Indeed, Tories suffered humiliation. More so their unellected leader who squatted as a PM. She should resign straight away and give the opportunity to David Davis perhaps, to try patch up the party.
Results mean No to a hard Brexshit.
It's amazing - the Labour party has just run the best campaign in the history of the world and still not won the election and yet suddenly everyone of a left leaning persuasion suddenly thinks they have a monopoly on opinions
your easily amazed..
opinions on a forum..
whatever next..
I think sarcasm gets lost in text lol. Ultimately I think it is very healthy to have opinions it's the fact that they just shout down anyone else who has a differing opinion and ignore inconvenient truths/facts - such as the fact that the majority of people did not vote Labour"
agree on the sarcasm..
no one 'side' can say that theirs are worse or better than others on that point, human nature etc.. |
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"The people have spoken. Indeed, Tories suffered humiliation. More so their unellected leader who squatted as a PM. She should resign straight away and give the opportunity to David Davis perhaps, to try patch up the party.
Results mean No to a hard Brexshit.
It's amazing - the Labour party has just run the best campaign in the history of the world and still not won the election and yet suddenly everyone of a left leaning persuasion suddenly thinks they have a monopoly on opinions
your easily amazed..
opinions on a forum..
whatever next..
I think sarcasm gets lost in text lol. Ultimately I think it is very healthy to have opinions it's the fact that they just shout down anyone else who has a differing opinion and ignore inconvenient truths/facts - such as the fact that the majority of people did not vote Labour"
Majority of the people didn't vote Conservatives either. It follows that the majority of the people don't want T May for PM and her 'strong and stable government '.
She should've resigned first thing in the morning to salvage the little self-respect that we presumed she might have. Too bad - nothing left of that kind...
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