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If the Election was pure P R ?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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For s bit of fun what do people think the the state of the party's would be if it was pure P R ?
I e 10 per cent of the vote equals 10 percent of the seats !
How many seats do you think they would all get ?
Remember if it was the case you would be able to vote for anyone !
So a Scot could vote SNP if he lived in Leeds or an English guy could vote for labour or conservative i f he lived in Belfast !
I know M P s and constuencys would have to be sorted that's for another time .
Let's just imagine pure Democracy for a second and the results  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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If it was like this tho what do you think the results would be ?
Il have a go lol
I think thier are 600 seats but I stand to be corrected lol
Conservative 35 percent so so approx 240
Labour 25 percent so Approx 150
Lib dem 10 per cent so 60
UKIP 5 percent so 30
SNP ( tricky this as whole of uk ) il say 10 per cent so 60
Green 5 percent so 30
Sin fine , DUP , SDLP, Ulster Unionists , Clyd Cumryw probbally 1 or 2 percent each so between 6 or 12 seats each
I didn't have a calculator so I'm sure I've given out more seats than thier is lol
But hopefully you can see the idea
Predict away
Remember if this were the system you could vote for Any UK party no matter where you lived !
Also I'm sure a lot of people would vote differently knowing thier vote Counted !
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The Torres and UKIP Had about 55% between them at the 2015 election.
So 330 seats between them....270 between ALL the rest.
A 60 seat majority for the only viable coalition and an extremely hard brexit with no requirement for a 2017 election.
There's your "true" PR! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The Torres and UKIP Had about 55% between them at the 2015 election.
So 330 seats between them....270 between ALL the rest.
A 60 seat majority for the only viable coalition and an extremely hard brexit with no requirement for a 2017 election.
There's your "true" PR!"
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Tho I doubt that result ?
Remember people would probbally vote differently and yo would have a new situation for the Scottish , Welsh and northern Irish party's , a lot of people from the three Country's who live in England would be able to vote for them !
The Green Vote would go up I'm sure as well .
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's no such thing as pure democracy, just different versions. Most classical philosophers who advocted democracy, did not adovate everyone being given a vote. "
Flippin ek.. Not another socrates lecture is it? |
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"There's no such thing as pure democracy, just different versions. Most classical philosophers who advocted democracy, did not adovate everyone being given a vote.
Flippin ek.. Not another socrates lecture is it? "
Not another anti-intellectual rant is it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There's no such thing as pure democracy, just different versions. Most classical philosophers who advocted democracy, did not adovate everyone being given a vote.
Flippin ek.. Not another socrates lecture is it?
Not another anti-intellectual rant is it? "
Hehe.. Dont get your toga in a twist.
So.. You'd pass your test to be eligible to vote then |
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"There's no such thing as pure democracy, just different versions. Most classical philosophers who advocted democracy, did not adovate everyone being given a vote.
Flippin ek.. Not another socrates lecture is it?
Not another anti-intellectual rant is it?
Hehe.. Dont get your toga in a twist.
So.. You'd pass your test to be eligible to vote then "
It's not designed to fail a lot of people |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There's no such thing as pure democracy, just different versions. Most classical philosophers who advocted democracy, did not adovate everyone being given a vote.
Flippin ek.. Not another socrates lecture is it?
Not another anti-intellectual rant is it?
Hehe.. Dont get your toga in a twist.
So.. You'd pass your test to be eligible to vote then
It's not designed to fail a lot of people"
Apologies for my last remark.. Didn't mean to be disrespectful, your entitled to your opinion.
Modern democracy is inclusive.. My thoughts were invoked with those who fought for the right to vote, like the suffragette Emily davison who was killed on the racecourse |
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"There's no such thing as pure democracy, just different versions. Most classical philosophers who advocted democracy, did not adovate everyone being given a vote.
Flippin ek.. Not another socrates lecture is it?
Not another anti-intellectual rant is it?
Hehe.. Dont get your toga in a twist.
So.. You'd pass your test to be eligible to vote then
It's not designed to fail a lot of people
Apologies for my last remark.. Didn't mean to be disrespectful, your entitled to your opinion.
Modern democracy is inclusive.. My thoughts were invoked with those who fought for the right to vote, like the suffragette Emily davison who was killed on the racecourse"
I'm not proposing a test that would exclude any reasonably intelligent person who could be bothered to spend a day or two every 5 years to educate themselves on the issues so I'd be gobsmacked if an Emily davison wouldn't pass! The problem with blanket inclusion is, that by definition it includes people who don't understand the issues. Even if 100% passed the test, it would still be worthwhile because some of them would have educted themselves to pass it and hence would make better decisions afterwards. |
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"You try to start an original thread and everyone goes off track !  "
PR isn't original, all the looney toons love it because it would give them more power. There's nothing like interweb forums to bring out the fruit cakes. I'd be happy with PR if we had standards for who can vote but in the abscence of that, first past the post does a good job of keeping the david ickes out of power. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You try to start an original thread and everyone goes off track !
PR isn't original, all the looney toons love it because it would give them more power. There's nothing like interweb forums to bring out the fruit cakes. I'd be happy with PR if we had standards for who can vote but in the abscence of that, first past the post does a good job of keeping the david ickes out of power."
David icke .. |
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"You try to start an original thread and everyone goes off track !
PR isn't original, all the looney toons love it because it would give them more power. There's nothing like interweb forums to bring out the fruit cakes. I'd be happy with PR if we had standards for who can vote but in the abscence of that, first past the post does a good job of keeping the david ickes out of power.David icke .. "
Look he's a nice enough guy but what scares me really are the 21m people who bought one of his books and the thought of him making decisions on tax and spending. |
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"That's not my point !!!!
I'm simply saying for a bit of Fun !!!!
Try and guess the outcome if we did have P R !!!"
If we had PR then more people would vote lid dem because they wouldn't feel their vote was wasted in constituencies they can't win first past the post. So i think they'd do better than your 10% |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"That's not my point !!!!
I'm simply saying for a bit of Fun !!!!
Try and guess the outcome if we did have P R !!!
If we had PR then more people would vote lid dem because they wouldn't feel their vote was wasted in constituencies they can't win first past the post. So i think they'd do better than your 10% "
maybe carry on try the lot like I did , it's harder than u think lol |
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"If it was like this tho what do you think the results would be ?
Il have a go lol
I think thier are 600 seats but I stand to be corrected lol
Conservative 35 percent so so approx 240
Labour 25 percent so Approx 150
Lib dem 10 per cent so 60
UKIP 5 percent so 30
SNP ( tricky this as whole of uk ) il say 10 per cent so 60
Green 5 percent so 30
Sin fine , DUP , SDLP, Ulster Unionists , Clyd Cumryw probbally 1 or 2 percent each so between 6 or 12 seats each
I didn't have a calculator so I'm sure I've given out more seats than thier is lol
But hopefully you can see the idea
Predict away
Remember if this were the system you could vote for Any UK party no matter where you lived !
Also I'm sure a lot of people would vote differently knowing thier vote Counted !
Have Fun "
This only adds up to 92-94%!
For me:
Con - 32.5% since i don't think many people who vote for them are tactically voting
Lab - 25% lose their tactical voters to lib dem
Lib Dem - 22.5% benefit from the labour tactical voters
Other - 20% UKIP decline but greens and obscure parties do better |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"That's not my point !!!!
I'm simply saying for a bit of Fun !!!!
Try and guess the outcome if we did have P R !!!"
You can look up on wikipedia the percentage of the vote that each party got so you can work it out from there.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2015
So how would it work OP, could the people of Cambridge vote for the DUP, SNP or Plaid Cymru? Would those MP be able to vote on English only issues such as education?
If I had a problem, who could I talk to? Now I have an MP locally that I cant speak to face to face just a few miles away. In the future would everyone have to travel to London to see an MP? What if your problem is about benefits and you cant afford to get to London?
If an MP resigned or died in office, would the by-election be nationwide?
Who would represent the people and interests of Cambridge, or Ipswich or Newport etc?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"That's not my point !!!!
I'm simply saying for a bit of Fun !!!!
Try and guess the outcome if we did have P R !!!
You can look up on wikipedia the percentage of the vote that each party got so you can work it out from there.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2015
So how would it work OP, could the people of Cambridge vote for the DUP, SNP or Plaid Cymru? Would those MP be able to vote on English only issues such as education?
If I had a problem, who could I talk to? Now I have an MP locally that I cant speak to face to face just a few miles away. In the future would everyone have to travel to London to see an MP? What if your problem is about benefits and you cant afford to get to London?
If an MP resigned or died in office, would the by-election be nationwide?
Who would represent the people and interests of Cambridge, or Ipswich or Newport etc?
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I'm not trying to justify all that !
It was meant to be a bit of fun imagining what the results would be ! |
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