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"Conservative central office tweet 18th May @21.00 "Sturgeons plan to leave the U.K. - Scotlands biggest trading partner, would mean economic chaos." Irony?" Sturgeon wants to maintain trade, just from outside the UK. May says Sturgeon is dillusional if she thinks she can get better terms outside the UK than within it. | |||
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"Probably about 11.3 million people. Why flood the fourms with your propoganda when you should be gathering as much money as possible to bet on Jeremey Corbyn winning at those 20-1 odds. If you honestly believe what you say then why haven't you put your house on him? You'll never get 20-1 odds on such a good opportunity again. Fuck it, bet £2.5bn then when you win you can fund labours manufesto like a good socialist. " you could have just repeated what you have said on previous posts. stupid people shouldnt be allowed to vote, that would stop her | |||
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"Conservative central office tweet 18th May @21.00 "Sturgeons plan to leave the U.K. - Scotlands biggest trading partner, would mean economic chaos." Irony?" You couldn't make it up.Unfortunately they do. | |||
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"Probably about 11.3 million people. Why flood the fourms with your propoganda when you should be gathering as much money as possible to bet on Jeremey Corbyn winning at those 20-1 odds. If you honestly believe what you say then why haven't you put your house on him? You'll never get 20-1 odds on such a good opportunity again. Fuck it, bet £2.5bn then when you win you can fund labours manufesto like a good socialist. you could have just repeated what you have said on previous posts. stupid people shouldnt be allowed to vote, that would stop her" The ctiteria is irrational people rather than stupid people. But there was an interesting YouGov poll that showed voting intention by education level. Higher education = more likely to vote Lib dem. | |||
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"Conservative central office tweet 18th May @21.00 "Sturgeons plan to leave the U.K. - Scotlands biggest trading partner, would mean economic chaos." Irony? You couldn't make it up.Unfortunately they do." they just flip flop with soundbites. memes alone could win this election | |||
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"Probably about 11.3 million people. Why flood the fourms with your propoganda when you should be gathering as much money as possible to bet on Jeremey Corbyn winning at those 20-1 odds. If you honestly believe what you say then why haven't you put your house on him? You'll never get 20-1 odds on such a good opportunity again. Fuck it, bet £2.5bn then when you win you can fund labours manufesto like a good socialist. you could have just repeated what you have said on previous posts. stupid people shouldnt be allowed to vote, that would stop her The ctiteria is irrational people rather than stupid people. But there was an interesting YouGov poll that showed voting intention by education level. Higher education = more likely to vote Lib dem. " ill probably be voting lib dems this year, to be honest i have to tactically vote. as for lib dems dont trust them one bit, the tories chewed them up and spat them out at the last coalition. clegg sold the lib dems out. if ever there was a weak leader clegg was one. | |||
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"Conservative central office tweet 18th May @21.00 "Sturgeons plan to leave the U.K. - Scotlands biggest trading partner, would mean economic chaos." Irony? You couldn't make it up.Unfortunately they do. they just flip flop with soundbites. memes alone could win this election" I've only seen labour memes but the internet is an echo chamber. | |||
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" memes alone could win this election" Oh God I wish that wasn't true but sadly, it probably is. From what I can see, huge swathes of people are getting their "facts" from not at all politically biased memes. You can see them quoted here and in many other fora too. How do you go about explaining to people with a 20 second attention span that meme does not equal fact??? | |||
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"Probably about 11.3 million people. Why flood the fourms with your propoganda when you should be gathering as much money as possible to bet on Jeremey Corbyn winning at those 20-1 odds. If you honestly believe what you say then why haven't you put your house on him? You'll never get 20-1 odds on such a good opportunity again. Fuck it, bet £2.5bn then when you win you can fund labours manufesto like a good socialist. you could have just repeated what you have said on previous posts. stupid people shouldnt be allowed to vote, that would stop her The ctiteria is irrational people rather than stupid people. But there was an interesting YouGov poll that showed voting intention by education level. Higher education = more likely to vote Lib dem. ill probably be voting lib dems this year, to be honest i have to tactically vote. as for lib dems dont trust them one bit, the tories chewed them up and spat them out at the last coalition. clegg sold the lib dems out. if ever there was a weak leader clegg was one." I think the dramatic increase in personal allowance wouldn't have happened without the lib dems and did more to help the poor than anything else since 1997 when labour granted idependance to the MPC which was also a jolly nice thing to do. | |||
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"i mentioned this in a post a few days back, and just yesterday saw the same idea on social media. we all know May is in way over her head and doesnt really offer anything for the general public, she wants to take away internet freedoms, she wants punish the old, the young, those with families and those with decent jobs who have had wages frozen for years. her policies make any right wing dictatorship look at her in awe. she seems she wants to punish anyone apart from her billionaire crony mates. what is it that appeals to people to vote for this vile specimen of the human race. we only have the constant propaganda and bias of the major mainstream media owned by billionaires supporting her. shes a remainer who wants to fight a hard fight with europe now who in their right minds would vote for her?" And are you offering any alternative? | |||
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"Probably about 11.3 million people. Why flood the fourms with your propoganda when you should be gathering as much money as possible to bet on Jeremey Corbyn winning at those 20-1 odds. If you honestly believe what you say then why haven't you put your house on him? You'll never get 20-1 odds on such a good opportunity again. Fuck it, bet £2.5bn then when you win you can fund labours manufesto like a good socialist. " ...   | |||
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"i mentioned this in a post a few days back, and just yesterday saw the same idea on social media. we all know May is in way over her head and doesnt really offer anything for the general public, she wants to take away internet freedoms, she wants punish the old, the young, those with families and those with decent jobs who have had wages frozen for years. her policies make any right wing dictatorship look at her in awe. she seems she wants to punish anyone apart from her billionaire crony mates. what is it that appeals to people to vote for this vile specimen of the human race. we only have the constant propaganda and bias of the major mainstream media owned by billionaires supporting her. shes a remainer who wants to fight a hard fight with europe now who in their right minds would vote for her? And are you offering any alternative? " would love to but would probably end up on the tabloids front page " local married mp has an open mind about sex" | |||
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"i mentioned this in a post a few days back, and just yesterday saw the same idea on social media. we all know May is in way over her head and doesnt really offer anything for the general public, she wants to take away internet freedoms, she wants punish the old, the young, those with families and those with decent jobs who have had wages frozen for years. her policies make any right wing dictatorship look at her in awe. she seems she wants to punish anyone apart from her billionaire crony mates. what is it that appeals to people to vote for this vile specimen of the human race. we only have the constant propaganda and bias of the major mainstream media owned by billionaires supporting her. shes a remainer who wants to fight a hard fight with europe now who in their right minds would vote for her? And are you offering any alternative? would love to but would probably end up on the tabloids front page " local married mp has an open mind about sex"" Hardly. You wouldn't become an MP  | |||
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"i mentioned this in a post a few days back, and just yesterday saw the same idea on social media. we all know May is in way over her head and doesnt really offer anything for the general public, she wants to take away internet freedoms, she wants punish the old, the young, those with families and those with decent jobs who have had wages frozen for years. her policies make any right wing dictatorship look at her in awe. she seems she wants to punish anyone apart from her billionaire crony mates. what is it that appeals to people to vote for this vile specimen of the human race. we only have the constant propaganda and bias of the major mainstream media owned by billionaires supporting her. shes a remainer who wants to fight a hard fight with europe now who in their right minds would vote for her? And are you offering any alternative? would love to but would probably end up on the tabloids front page " local married mp has an open mind about sex" Hardly. You wouldn't become an MP "Unfortunately it wouldn't really be a compliment if he could. What is the criteria - lead the most boring, non-comtraversial, vanilla life possible and then commit yourself to parrotting the party line for 20 years for the dim hope that at the end you might get to influence it. Nah, i'll stick to making loads of money and living an immoral lifestyle thanks. | |||
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"i mentioned this in a post a few days back, and just yesterday saw the same idea on social media. we all know May is in way over her head and doesnt really offer anything for the general public, she wants to take away internet freedoms, she wants punish the old, the young, those with families and those with decent jobs who have had wages frozen for years. her policies make any right wing dictatorship look at her in awe. she seems she wants to punish anyone apart from her billionaire crony mates. what is it that appeals to people to vote for this vile specimen of the human race. we only have the constant propaganda and bias of the major mainstream media owned by billionaires supporting her. shes a remainer who wants to fight a hard fight with europe now who in their right minds would vote for her? And are you offering any alternative? would love to but would probably end up on the tabloids front page " local married mp has an open mind about sex" Hardly. You wouldn't become an MP
Unfortunately it wouldn't really be a compliment if he could. What is the criteria - lead the most boring, non-comtraversial, vanilla life possible and then commit yourself to parrotting the party line for 20 years for the dim hope that at the end you might get to influence it.
Nah, i'll stick to making loads of money and living an immoral lifestyle thanks. "Keith Vaz does ok | |||
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"i mentioned this in a post a few days back, and just yesterday saw the same idea on social media. we all know May is in way over her head and doesnt really offer anything for the general public, she wants to take away internet freedoms, she wants punish the old, the young, those with families and those with decent jobs who have had wages frozen for years. her policies make any right wing dictatorship look at her in awe. she seems she wants to punish anyone apart from her billionaire crony mates. what is it that appeals to people to vote for this vile specimen of the human race. we only have the constant propaganda and bias of the major mainstream media owned by billionaires supporting her. shes a remainer who wants to fight a hard fight with europe now who in their right minds would vote for her? And are you offering any alternative? would love to but would probably end up on the tabloids front page " local married mp has an open mind about sex" Hardly. You wouldn't become an MP
Unfortunately it wouldn't really be a compliment if he could. What is the criteria - lead the most boring, non-comtraversial, vanilla life possible and then commit yourself to parrotting the party line for 20 years for the dim hope that at the end you might get to influence it.
Nah, i'll stick to making loads of money and living an immoral lifestyle thanks.
Keith Vaz does ok "Good point, i forgot the critical difference. If you get caught leading an immoral lifestyle then you need the connections to cover it up. That's what I'm lacking. Oh well, i'll just have to stick to fucking multiple beautiful women at the weekend. | |||
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"i mentioned this in a post a few days back, and just yesterday saw the same idea on social media. we all know May is in way over her head and doesnt really offer anything for the general public, she wants to take away internet freedoms, she wants punish the old, the young, those with families and those with decent jobs who have had wages frozen for years. her policies make any right wing dictatorship look at her in awe. she seems she wants to punish anyone apart from her billionaire crony mates. what is it that appeals to people to vote for this vile specimen of the human race. we only have the constant propaganda and bias of the major mainstream media owned by billionaires supporting her. shes a remainer who wants to fight a hard fight with europe now who in their right minds would vote for her? And are you offering any alternative? would love to but would probably end up on the tabloids front page " local married mp has an open mind about sex" Hardly. You wouldn't become an MP
Unfortunately it wouldn't really be a compliment if he could. What is the criteria - lead the most boring, non-comtraversial, vanilla life possible and then commit yourself to parrotting the party line for 20 years for the dim hope that at the end you might get to influence it.
Nah, i'll stick to making loads of money and living an immoral lifestyle thanks.
Keith Vaz does ok
Good point, i forgot the critical difference. If you get caught leading an immoral lifestyle then you need the connections to cover it up. That's what I'm lacking. Oh well, i'll just have to stick to fucking multiple beautiful women at the weekend. "Yet you have only 2verifications???? Guess 2 means mutiple in your existence??? | |||
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"i mentioned this in a post a few days back, and just yesterday saw the same idea on social media. we all know May is in way over her head and doesnt really offer anything for the general public, she wants to take away internet freedoms, she wants punish the old, the young, those with families and those with decent jobs who have had wages frozen for years. her policies make any right wing dictatorship look at her in awe. she seems she wants to punish anyone apart from her billionaire crony mates. what is it that appeals to people to vote for this vile specimen of the human race. we only have the constant propaganda and bias of the major mainstream media owned by billionaires supporting her. shes a remainer who wants to fight a hard fight with europe now who in their right minds would vote for her? And are you offering any alternative? would love to but would probably end up on the tabloids front page " local married mp has an open mind about sex" Hardly. You wouldn't become an MP
Unfortunately it wouldn't really be a compliment if he could. What is the criteria - lead the most boring, non-comtraversial, vanilla life possible and then commit yourself to parrotting the party line for 20 years for the dim hope that at the end you might get to influence it.
Nah, i'll stick to making loads of money and living an immoral lifestyle thanks.
Keith Vaz does ok
Good point, i forgot the critical difference. If you get caught leading an immoral lifestyle then you need the connections to cover it up. That's what I'm lacking. Oh well, i'll just have to stick to fucking multiple beautiful women at the weekend. Yet you have only 2verifications???? Guess 2 means mutiple in your existence??? "Yeah no flaws in that idea  | |||
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"i mentioned this in a post a few days back, and just yesterday saw the same idea on social media. we all know May is in way over her head and doesnt really offer anything for the general public, she wants to take away internet freedoms, she wants punish the old, the young, those with families and those with decent jobs who have had wages frozen for years. her policies make any right wing dictatorship look at her in awe. she seems she wants to punish anyone apart from her billionaire crony mates. what is it that appeals to people to vote for this vile specimen of the human race. we only have the constant propaganda and bias of the major mainstream media owned by billionaires supporting her. shes a remainer who wants to fight a hard fight with europe now who in their right minds would vote for her? And are you offering any alternative? would love to but would probably end up on the tabloids front page " local married mp has an open mind about sex" Hardly. You wouldn't become an MP
Unfortunately it wouldn't really be a compliment if he could. What is the criteria - lead the most boring, non-comtraversial, vanilla life possible and then commit yourself to parrotting the party line for 20 years for the dim hope that at the end you might get to influence it.
Nah, i'll stick to making loads of money and living an immoral lifestyle thanks.
Keith Vaz does ok
Good point, i forgot the critical difference. If you get caught leading an immoral lifestyle then you need the connections to cover it up. That's what I'm lacking. Oh well, i'll just have to stick to fucking multiple beautiful women at the weekend. Yet you have only 2verifications???? Guess 2 means mutiple in your existence??? "weve had 3 somes 4 somes and moresomes, yet none have been with this site | |||
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"i mentioned this in a post a few days back, and just yesterday saw the same idea on social media. we all know May is in way over her head and doesnt really offer anything for the general public, she wants to take away internet freedoms, she wants punish the old, the young, those with families and those with decent jobs who have had wages frozen for years. her policies make any right wing dictatorship look at her in awe. she seems she wants to punish anyone apart from her billionaire crony mates. what is it that appeals to people to vote for this vile specimen of the human race. we only have the constant propaganda and bias of the major mainstream media owned by billionaires supporting her. shes a remainer who wants to fight a hard fight with europe now who in their right minds would vote for her? And are you offering any alternative? would love to but would probably end up on the tabloids front page " local married mp has an open mind about sex" Hardly. You wouldn't become an MP
Unfortunately it wouldn't really be a compliment if he could. What is the criteria - lead the most boring, non-comtraversial, vanilla life possible and then commit yourself to parrotting the party line for 20 years for the dim hope that at the end you might get to influence it.
Nah, i'll stick to making loads of money and living an immoral lifestyle thanks.
Keith Vaz does ok
Good point, i forgot the critical difference. If you get caught leading an immoral lifestyle then you need the connections to cover it up. That's what I'm lacking. Oh well, i'll just have to stick to fucking multiple beautiful women at the weekend. Yet you have only 2verifications???? Guess 2 means mutiple in your existence??? weve had 3 somes 4 somes and moresomes, yet none have been with this site"Shit - you mean there are other places to get fucked than fab!!! Who knew?
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"Probably about 11.3 million people. Why flood the fourms with your propoganda when you should be gathering as much money as possible to bet on Jeremey Corbyn winning at those 20-1 odds. If you honestly believe what you say then why haven't you put your house on him? You'll never get 20-1 odds on such a good opportunity again. Fuck it, bet £2.5bn then when you win you can fund labours manufesto like a good socialist. you could have just repeated what you have said on previous posts. stupid people shouldnt be allowed to vote, that would stop her The ctiteria is irrational people rather than stupid people. But there was an interesting YouGov poll that showed voting intention by education level. Higher education = more likely to vote Lib dem. " Careful you'll get the UKIP'ers asking if the EU was only for the smart, skilled and wealthy again. | |||
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"Probably about 11.3 million people. Why flood the fourms with your propoganda when you should be gathering as much money as possible to bet on Jeremey Corbyn winning at those 20-1 odds. If you honestly believe what you say then why haven't you put your house on him? You'll never get 20-1 odds on such a good opportunity again. Fuck it, bet £2.5bn then when you win you can fund labours manufesto like a good socialist. you could have just repeated what you have said on previous posts. stupid people shouldnt be allowed to vote, that would stop her The ctiteria is irrational people rather than stupid people. But there was an interesting YouGov poll that showed voting intention by education level. Higher education = more likely to vote Lib dem. " Smoke /cannabis = more likely to vote Lib dem. | |||
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"Probably about 11.3 million people. Why flood the fourms with your propoganda when you should be gathering as much money as possible to bet on Jeremey Corbyn winning at those 20-1 odds. If you honestly believe what you say then why haven't you put your house on him? You'll never get 20-1 odds on such a good opportunity again. Fuck it, bet £2.5bn then when you win you can fund labours manufesto like a good socialist. you could have just repeated what you have said on previous posts. stupid people shouldnt be allowed to vote, that would stop her The ctiteria is irrational people rather than stupid people. But there was an interesting YouGov poll that showed voting intention by education level. Higher education = more likely to vote Lib dem. Smoke /cannabis = more likely to vote Lib dem. " Probably correlates better with the green party | |||
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"Probably about 11.3 million people. Why flood the fourms with your propoganda when you should be gathering as much money as possible to bet on Jeremey Corbyn winning at those 20-1 odds. If you honestly believe what you say then why haven't you put your house on him? You'll never get 20-1 odds on such a good opportunity again. Fuck it, bet £2.5bn then when you win you can fund labours manufesto like a good socialist. you could have just repeated what you have said on previous posts. stupid people shouldnt be allowed to vote, that would stop her The ctiteria is irrational people rather than stupid people. But there was an interesting YouGov poll that showed voting intention by education level. Higher education = more likely to vote Lib dem. Smoke /cannabis = more likely to vote Lib dem. " About 1 million cannabis smokers in the UK and 1 in 5 people have tried it.They'll pick up votes.However the greens have the same policy of legalized cannabis. | |||
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"i mentioned this in a post a few days back, and just yesterday saw the same idea on social media. we all know May is in way over her head and doesnt really offer anything for the general public, she wants to take away internet freedoms, she wants punish the old, the young, those with families and those with decent jobs who have had wages frozen for years. her policies make any right wing dictatorship look at her in awe. she seems she wants to punish anyone apart from her billionaire crony mates. what is it that appeals to people to vote for this vile specimen of the human race. we only have the constant propaganda and bias of the major mainstream media owned by billionaires supporting her. shes a remainer who wants to fight a hard fight with europe now who in their right minds would vote for her?" Of course the Tories want to lose! Brexit is the hot potato that will destroy which ever party is seen to be responsible for it should it fail, and anyone looking critically and without bias at what has been said so far by the EU must conclude that there will be no trade deal prior to the UK's exit from the EU, that the new French president will rip up the bilateral border agreement with the UK and will not stop those in France who want to come to the UK from trying to cross the channel. After all he has said this is what he intends to do, and only a fool refuses to listen when told by someone with the power to do something when they say they are going to do it. Having said this, conservative central office have had a problem since the brexit vote. Just throwing in the towel and saying 'we got you in to this now find someone else to sort it out' just wont work. So they found May, the perfect fit. She definitely does not have 'bottom', however she is authoritarian and uncompromising in demeanour, has little or no sartorial style and her looks most certainly lend themselves well to being depicted as a hag by satirical cartoonists. The only thing left to do is divorce her from Maggie (can't have her claiming to be Maggie Mk2) and distance in preparation for divorce of the conservative party from the manifesto. Oh wait Ms May did that for them at the launch of the manifesto when she first said she was not Maggie Mk2 and then described the manifesto as being "her manifesto" not the conservative manifesto. That the cover was mourning black rather than conservative sky blue was a really neat subliminal touch I thought. I hope the add exec who thought that up gets a big pay packet, they deserve it. Of course the problem the Tories have is their propaganda machine is not controlled by them and has been pumping out the anti labour message so loud for so long it has started to believe its own stories and as a result may scupper the plans of central office. Just my reading of the situation. | |||
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"First of all the Tories have pretty much got the Ukip vote in the bag with Theresa May's plan for Brexit, that combined with the traditional Tory vote will pretty much guarantee a Tory victory at this general election (we already had a hint of it at the local elections a few weeks ago). Not only this Theresa May is targeting some key Labour marginal seats too, and the Tory manifesto has targeted some Labour voters with things like the cap on energy prices and an extra £8 billion for the NHS (fully costed unlike Labours manifesto). The Tory election machine will really kick in during the last couple of weeks of the campaign before voting day, and will really focus on the coalition of chaos message. The country will see what a disaster a coalition of Labour/SNP/Lib dems would do to the country. The polls are still giving Theresa May and the Tories a healthy lead over Labour. " Get out of your little echo chamber. Most people in Yorkshire, the North East and North West haven't even correlated their OUT vote to a tory vote - Sky News picked up on this in Hartlepool where a large amount o people would rather back labour or another party over the tories after how they have run those communities into the ground. I have no question that the tories will get a lot of the old UKIP vote, but I think people are over estimating it. People in working class communities are screaming for investment in their areas and investment in themselves and kids because they can see the world moving on withut them. To put this into perspective my mother and father and grandfather voted OUT, none are voting tory. | |||
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"First of all the Tories have pretty much got the Ukip vote in the bag with Theresa May's plan for Brexit, that combined with the traditional Tory vote will pretty much guarantee a Tory victory at this general election (we already had a hint of it at the local elections a few weeks ago). Not only this Theresa May is targeting some key Labour marginal seats too, and the Tory manifesto has targeted some Labour voters with things like the cap on energy prices and an extra £8 billion for the NHS (fully costed unlike Labours manifesto). The Tory election machine will really kick in during the last couple of weeks of the campaign before voting day, and will really focus on the coalition of chaos message. The country will see what a disaster a coalition of Labour/SNP/Lib dems would do to the country. The polls are still giving Theresa May and the Tories a healthy lead over Labour. Get out of your little echo chamber. Most people in Yorkshire, the North East and North West haven't even correlated their OUT vote to a tory vote - Sky News picked up on this in Hartlepool where a large amount o people would rather back labour or another party over the tories after how they have run those communities into the ground. I have no question that the tories will get a lot of the old UKIP vote, but I think people are over estimating it. People in working class communities are screaming for investment in their areas and investment in themselves and kids because they can see the world moving on withut them. To put this into perspective my mother and father and grandfather voted OUT, none are voting tory." It already happened at the local elections. Seen plenty of interviews with ordinary folk on the street on mainstream news like BBC and sky and many of them old Labour voters saying they will be voting for Theresa May instead of Corbyn. You labour supporters really have got to come to terms with the fact Corbyn is toxic and will cost you votes at this election. | |||
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"First of all the Tories have pretty much got the Ukip vote in the bag with Theresa May's plan for Brexit, that combined with the traditional Tory vote will pretty much guarantee a Tory victory at this general election (we already had a hint of it at the local elections a few weeks ago). Not only this Theresa May is targeting some key Labour marginal seats too, and the Tory manifesto has targeted some Labour voters with things like the cap on energy prices and an extra £8 billion for the NHS (fully costed unlike Labours manifesto). The Tory election machine will really kick in during the last couple of weeks of the campaign before voting day, and will really focus on the coalition of chaos message. The country will see what a disaster a coalition of Labour/SNP/Lib dems would do to the country. The polls are still giving Theresa May and the Tories a healthy lead over Labour. Get out of your little echo chamber. Most people in Yorkshire, the North East and North West haven't even correlated their OUT vote to a tory vote - Sky News picked up on this in Hartlepool where a large amount o people would rather back labour or another party over the tories after how they have run those communities into the ground. I have no question that the tories will get a lot of the old UKIP vote, but I think people are over estimating it. People in working class communities are screaming for investment in their areas and investment in themselves and kids because they can see the world moving on withut them. To put this into perspective my mother and father and grandfather voted OUT, none are voting tory. It already happened at the local elections. Seen plenty of interviews with ordinary folk on the street on mainstream news like BBC and sky and many of them old Labour voters saying they will be voting for Theresa May instead of Corbyn. You labour supporters really have got to come to terms with the fact Corbyn is toxic and will cost you votes at this election. " lol you do realise the news is edited dont you. | |||
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"First of all the Tories have pretty much got the Ukip vote in the bag with Theresa May's plan for Brexit, that combined with the traditional Tory vote will pretty much guarantee a Tory victory at this general election (we already had a hint of it at the local elections a few weeks ago). Not only this Theresa May is targeting some key Labour marginal seats too, and the Tory manifesto has targeted some Labour voters with things like the cap on energy prices and an extra £8 billion for the NHS (fully costed unlike Labours manifesto). The Tory election machine will really kick in during the last couple of weeks of the campaign before voting day, and will really focus on the coalition of chaos message. The country will see what a disaster a coalition of Labour/SNP/Lib dems would do to the country. The polls are still giving Theresa May and the Tories a healthy lead over Labour. Get out of your little echo chamber. Most people in Yorkshire, the North East and North West haven't even correlated their OUT vote to a tory vote - Sky News picked up on this in Hartlepool where a large amount o people would rather back labour or another party over the tories after how they have run those communities into the ground. I have no question that the tories will get a lot of the old UKIP vote, but I think people are over estimating it. People in working class communities are screaming for investment in their areas and investment in themselves and kids because they can see the world moving on withut them. To put this into perspective my mother and father and grandfather voted OUT, none are voting tory. It already happened at the local elections. Seen plenty of interviews with ordinary folk on the street on mainstream news like BBC and sky and many of them old Labour voters saying they will be voting for Theresa May instead of Corbyn. You labour supporters really have got to come to terms with the fact Corbyn is toxic and will cost you votes at this election. " as for thr bbc even giving UKIP any airtime all is not even democratic, they dont represent the people of the UK. but the bbc loves a loon, thats why keep having nutters like nuttal and flange on | |||
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"First of all the Tories have pretty much got the Ukip vote in the bag with Theresa May's plan for Brexit, that combined with the traditional Tory vote will pretty much guarantee a Tory victory at this general election (we already had a hint of it at the local elections a few weeks ago). Not only this Theresa May is targeting some key Labour marginal seats too, and the Tory manifesto has targeted some Labour voters with things like the cap on energy prices and an extra £8 billion for the NHS (fully costed unlike Labours manifesto). The Tory election machine will really kick in during the last couple of weeks of the campaign before voting day, and will really focus on the coalition of chaos message. The country will see what a disaster a coalition of Labour/SNP/Lib dems would do to the country. The polls are still giving Theresa May and the Tories a healthy lead over Labour. Get out of your little echo chamber. Most people in Yorkshire, the North East and North West haven't even correlated their OUT vote to a tory vote - Sky News picked up on this in Hartlepool where a large amount o people would rather back labour or another party over the tories after how they have run those communities into the ground. I have no question that the tories will get a lot of the old UKIP vote, but I think people are over estimating it. People in working class communities are screaming for investment in their areas and investment in themselves and kids because they can see the world moving on withut them. To put this into perspective my mother and father and grandfather voted OUT, none are voting tory. It already happened at the local elections. Seen plenty of interviews with ordinary folk on the street on mainstream news like BBC and sky and many of them old Labour voters saying they will be voting for Theresa May instead of Corbyn. You labour supporters really have got to come to terms with the fact Corbyn is toxic and will cost you votes at this election. as for thr bbc even giving UKIP any airtime all is not even democratic, they dont represent the people of the UK. but the bbc loves a loon, thats why keep having nutters like nuttal and flange on" In case you forgot ukip won the last European MEP elections here in the UK in 2014 returning more MEP's for ukip than any other party. So whether you like it or not ukip is the largest party in the European Parliament representing the UK. Oh and ukip also won 7 seats on the Welsh assembly and 2 seats on the London assembly the last time those elections were held. | |||
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"First of all the Tories have pretty much got the Ukip vote in the bag with Theresa May's plan for Brexit, that combined with the traditional Tory vote will pretty much guarantee a Tory victory at this general election (we already had a hint of it at the local elections a few weeks ago). Not only this Theresa May is targeting some key Labour marginal seats too, and the Tory manifesto has targeted some Labour voters with things like the cap on energy prices and an extra £8 billion for the NHS (fully costed unlike Labours manifesto). The Tory election machine will really kick in during the last couple of weeks of the campaign before voting day, and will really focus on the coalition of chaos message. The country will see what a disaster a coalition of Labour/SNP/Lib dems would do to the country. The polls are still giving Theresa May and the Tories a healthy lead over Labour. Get out of your little echo chamber. Most people in Yorkshire, the North East and North West haven't even correlated their OUT vote to a tory vote - Sky News picked up on this in Hartlepool where a large amount o people would rather back labour or another party over the tories after how they have run those communities into the ground. I have no question that the tories will get a lot of the old UKIP vote, but I think people are over estimating it. People in working class communities are screaming for investment in their areas and investment in themselves and kids because they can see the world moving on withut them. To put this into perspective my mother and father and grandfather voted OUT, none are voting tory. It already happened at the local elections. Seen plenty of interviews with ordinary folk on the street on mainstream news like BBC and sky and many of them old Labour voters saying they will be voting for Theresa May instead of Corbyn. You labour supporters really have got to come to terms with the fact Corbyn is toxic and will cost you votes at this election. " i thought as a ukipper youd want to take the uk back, wasnt that ukips mottp imagine this our own nhs, water, elelctricity, railways etc etc | |||
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"First of all the Tories have pretty much got the Ukip vote in the bag with Theresa May's plan for Brexit, that combined with the traditional Tory vote will pretty much guarantee a Tory victory at this general election (we already had a hint of it at the local elections a few weeks ago). Not only this Theresa May is targeting some key Labour marginal seats too, and the Tory manifesto has targeted some Labour voters with things like the cap on energy prices and an extra £8 billion for the NHS (fully costed unlike Labours manifesto). The Tory election machine will really kick in during the last couple of weeks of the campaign before voting day, and will really focus on the coalition of chaos message. The country will see what a disaster a coalition of Labour/SNP/Lib dems would do to the country. The polls are still giving Theresa May and the Tories a healthy lead over Labour. Get out of your little echo chamber. Most people in Yorkshire, the North East and North West haven't even correlated their OUT vote to a tory vote - Sky News picked up on this in Hartlepool where a large amount o people would rather back labour or another party over the tories after how they have run those communities into the ground. I have no question that the tories will get a lot of the old UKIP vote, but I think people are over estimating it. People in working class communities are screaming for investment in their areas and investment in themselves and kids because they can see the world moving on withut them. To put this into perspective my mother and father and grandfather voted OUT, none are voting tory. It already happened at the local elections. Seen plenty of interviews with ordinary folk on the street on mainstream news like BBC and sky and many of them old Labour voters saying they will be voting for Theresa May instead of Corbyn. You labour supporters really have got to come to terms with the fact Corbyn is toxic and will cost you votes at this election. as for thr bbc even giving UKIP any airtime all is not even democratic, they dont represent the people of the UK. but the bbc loves a loon, thats why keep having nutters like nuttal and flange on In case you forgot ukip won the last European MEP elections here in the UK in 2014 returning more MEP's for ukip than any other party. So whether you like it or not ukip is the largest party in the European Parliament representing the UK. Oh and ukip also won 7 seats on the Welsh assembly and 2 seats on the London assembly the last time those elections were held. " lol if you want out of europe why voting for mep? | |||
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"First of all the Tories have pretty much got the Ukip vote in the bag with Theresa May's plan for Brexit, that combined with the traditional Tory vote will pretty much guarantee a Tory victory at this general election (we already had a hint of it at the local elections a few weeks ago). Not only this Theresa May is targeting some key Labour marginal seats too, and the Tory manifesto has targeted some Labour voters with things like the cap on energy prices and an extra £8 billion for the NHS (fully costed unlike Labours manifesto). The Tory election machine will really kick in during the last couple of weeks of the campaign before voting day, and will really focus on the coalition of chaos message. The country will see what a disaster a coalition of Labour/SNP/Lib dems would do to the country. The polls are still giving Theresa May and the Tories a healthy lead over Labour. Get out of your little echo chamber. Most people in Yorkshire, the North East and North West haven't even correlated their OUT vote to a tory vote - Sky News picked up on this in Hartlepool where a large amount o people would rather back labour or another party over the tories after how they have run those communities into the ground. I have no question that the tories will get a lot of the old UKIP vote, but I think people are over estimating it. People in working class communities are screaming for investment in their areas and investment in themselves and kids because they can see the world moving on withut them. To put this into perspective my mother and father and grandfather voted OUT, none are voting tory. It already happened at the local elections. Seen plenty of interviews with ordinary folk on the street on mainstream news like BBC and sky and many of them old Labour voters saying they will be voting for Theresa May instead of Corbyn. You labour supporters really have got to come to terms with the fact Corbyn is toxic and will cost you votes at this election. i thought as a ukipper youd want to take the uk back, wasnt that ukips mottp imagine this our own nhs, water, elelctricity, railways etc etc" That's precisely why I won't be voting Labour. Keeping us in the EU single market and the customs union is NOT leaving. It's a fudge by Labour to keep us half in and half out of the wretched EU. It's a half baked, half hearted, half arsed attempt at Brexit from Labour. | |||
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"First of all the Tories have pretty much got the Ukip vote in the bag with Theresa May's plan for Brexit, that combined with the traditional Tory vote will pretty much guarantee a Tory victory at this general election (we already had a hint of it at the local elections a few weeks ago). Not only this Theresa May is targeting some key Labour marginal seats too, and the Tory manifesto has targeted some Labour voters with things like the cap on energy prices and an extra £8 billion for the NHS (fully costed unlike Labours manifesto). The Tory election machine will really kick in during the last couple of weeks of the campaign before voting day, and will really focus on the coalition of chaos message. The country will see what a disaster a coalition of Labour/SNP/Lib dems would do to the country. The polls are still giving Theresa May and the Tories a healthy lead over Labour. Get out of your little echo chamber. Most people in Yorkshire, the North East and North West haven't even correlated their OUT vote to a tory vote - Sky News picked up on this in Hartlepool where a large amount o people would rather back labour or another party over the tories after how they have run those communities into the ground. I have no question that the tories will get a lot of the old UKIP vote, but I think people are over estimating it. People in working class communities are screaming for investment in their areas and investment in themselves and kids because they can see the world moving on withut them. To put this into perspective my mother and father and grandfather voted OUT, none are voting tory. It already happened at the local elections. Seen plenty of interviews with ordinary folk on the street on mainstream news like BBC and sky and many of them old Labour voters saying they will be voting for Theresa May instead of Corbyn. You labour supporters really have got to come to terms with the fact Corbyn is toxic and will cost you votes at this election. as for thr bbc even giving UKIP any airtime all is not even democratic, they dont represent the people of the UK. but the bbc loves a loon, thats why keep having nutters like nuttal and flange on In case you forgot ukip won the last European MEP elections here in the UK in 2014 returning more MEP's for ukip than any other party. So whether you like it or not ukip is the largest party in the European Parliament representing the UK. Oh and ukip also won 7 seats on the Welsh assembly and 2 seats on the London assembly the last time those elections were held. lol if you want out of europe why voting for mep?" People voted for ukip MEP's to send a message to the government that they were not happy with the EU and wanted out. It worked and Cameron gave the referendum. I'd also like ukip MEP's to disrupt the EU as much as possible from within. That is their job and it's why people voted ukip in those elections. | |||
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"First of all the Tories have pretty much got the Ukip vote in the bag with Theresa May's plan for Brexit, that combined with the traditional Tory vote will pretty much guarantee a Tory victory at this general election (we already had a hint of it at the local elections a few weeks ago). Not only this Theresa May is targeting some key Labour marginal seats too, and the Tory manifesto has targeted some Labour voters with things like the cap on energy prices and an extra £8 billion for the NHS (fully costed unlike Labours manifesto). The Tory election machine will really kick in during the last couple of weeks of the campaign before voting day, and will really focus on the coalition of chaos message. The country will see what a disaster a coalition of Labour/SNP/Lib dems would do to the country. The polls are still giving Theresa May and the Tories a healthy lead over Labour. Get out of your little echo chamber. Most people in Yorkshire, the North East and North West haven't even correlated their OUT vote to a tory vote - Sky News picked up on this in Hartlepool where a large amount o people would rather back labour or another party over the tories after how they have run those communities into the ground. I have no question that the tories will get a lot of the old UKIP vote, but I think people are over estimating it. People in working class communities are screaming for investment in their areas and investment in themselves and kids because they can see the world moving on withut them. To put this into perspective my mother and father and grandfather voted OUT, none are voting tory. It already happened at the local elections. Seen plenty of interviews with ordinary folk on the street on mainstream news like BBC and sky and many of them old Labour voters saying they will be voting for Theresa May instead of Corbyn. You labour supporters really have got to come to terms with the fact Corbyn is toxic and will cost you votes at this election. i thought as a ukipper youd want to take the uk back, wasnt that ukips mottp imagine this our own nhs, water, elelctricity, railways etc etc That's precisely why I won't be voting Labour. Keeping us in the EU single market and the customs union is NOT leaving. It's a fudge by Labour to keep us half in and half out of the wretched EU. It's a half baked, half hearted, half arsed attempt at Brexit from Labour. " You do talk a lot of bollocks. Are Norway part of the EU? Is Switzerland? Turkey? No. But they are a part of the customs union and/or single market. -Matt | |||
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"First of all the Tories have pretty much got the Ukip vote in the bag with Theresa May's plan for Brexit, that combined with the traditional Tory vote will pretty much guarantee a Tory victory at this general election (we already had a hint of it at the local elections a few weeks ago). Not only this Theresa May is targeting some key Labour marginal seats too, and the Tory manifesto has targeted some Labour voters with things like the cap on energy prices and an extra £8 billion for the NHS (fully costed unlike Labours manifesto). The Tory election machine will really kick in during the last couple of weeks of the campaign before voting day, and will really focus on the coalition of chaos message. The country will see what a disaster a coalition of Labour/SNP/Lib dems would do to the country. The polls are still giving Theresa May and the Tories a healthy lead over Labour. Get out of your little echo chamber. Most people in Yorkshire, the North East and North West haven't even correlated their OUT vote to a tory vote - Sky News picked up on this in Hartlepool where a large amount o people would rather back labour or another party over the tories after how they have run those communities into the ground. I have no question that the tories will get a lot of the old UKIP vote, but I think people are over estimating it. People in working class communities are screaming for investment in their areas and investment in themselves and kids because they can see the world moving on withut them. To put this into perspective my mother and father and grandfather voted OUT, none are voting tory. It already happened at the local elections. Seen plenty of interviews with ordinary folk on the street on mainstream news like BBC and sky and many of them old Labour voters saying they will be voting for Theresa May instead of Corbyn. You labour supporters really have got to come to terms with the fact Corbyn is toxic and will cost you votes at this election. i thought as a ukipper youd want to take the uk back, wasnt that ukips mottp imagine this our own nhs, water, elelctricity, railways etc etc That's precisely why I won't be voting Labour. Keeping us in the EU single market and the customs union is NOT leaving. It's a fudge by Labour to keep us half in and half out of the wretched EU. It's a half baked, half hearted, half arsed attempt at Brexit from Labour. You do talk a lot of bollocks. Are Norway part of the EU? Is Switzerland? Turkey? No. But they are a part of the customs union and/or single market. -Matt" Being in the single market and the customs union comes with lots of EU 'conditions' such as still being subject to the free movement of people and still being subject to EU regulations and it forbids you signing your own trade deals outside of the EU. A very large chunk of the reasons why people voted Leave won't be able to be achieved if we are kept in the single market and the customs union. It's Labour who are talking bollocks on Brexit. | |||
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"First of all the Tories have pretty much got the Ukip vote in the bag with Theresa May's plan for Brexit, that combined with the traditional Tory vote will pretty much guarantee a Tory victory at this general election (we already had a hint of it at the local elections a few weeks ago). Not only this Theresa May is targeting some key Labour marginal seats too, and the Tory manifesto has targeted some Labour voters with things like the cap on energy prices and an extra £8 billion for the NHS (fully costed unlike Labours manifesto). The Tory election machine will really kick in during the last couple of weeks of the campaign before voting day, and will really focus on the coalition of chaos message. The country will see what a disaster a coalition of Labour/SNP/Lib dems would do to the country. The polls are still giving Theresa May and the Tories a healthy lead over Labour. Get out of your little echo chamber. Most people in Yorkshire, the North East and North West haven't even correlated their OUT vote to a tory vote - Sky News picked up on this in Hartlepool where a large amount o people would rather back labour or another party over the tories after how they have run those communities into the ground. I have no question that the tories will get a lot of the old UKIP vote, but I think people are over estimating it. People in working class communities are screaming for investment in their areas and investment in themselves and kids because they can see the world moving on withut them. To put this into perspective my mother and father and grandfather voted OUT, none are voting tory. It already happened at the local elections. Seen plenty of interviews with ordinary folk on the street on mainstream news like BBC and sky and many of them old Labour voters saying they will be voting for Theresa May instead of Corbyn. You labour supporters really have got to come to terms with the fact Corbyn is toxic and will cost you votes at this election. " I have and have stated it. But I do think this swing to mrs may is perhaps a little overstated. Im not saying it wont happen, but there a pockets where the tories will struggle to win vast swaves of support. | |||
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"First of all the Tories have pretty much got the Ukip vote in the bag with Theresa May's plan for Brexit, that combined with the traditional Tory vote will pretty much guarantee a Tory victory at this general election (we already had a hint of it at the local elections a few weeks ago). Not only this Theresa May is targeting some key Labour marginal seats too, and the Tory manifesto has targeted some Labour voters with things like the cap on energy prices and an extra £8 billion for the NHS (fully costed unlike Labours manifesto). The Tory election machine will really kick in during the last couple of weeks of the campaign before voting day, and will really focus on the coalition of chaos message. The country will see what a disaster a coalition of Labour/SNP/Lib dems would do to the country. The polls are still giving Theresa May and the Tories a healthy lead over Labour. Get out of your little echo chamber. Most people in Yorkshire, the North East and North West haven't even correlated their OUT vote to a tory vote - Sky News picked up on this in Hartlepool where a large amount o people would rather back labour or another party over the tories after how they have run those communities into the ground. I have no question that the tories will get a lot of the old UKIP vote, but I think people are over estimating it. People in working class communities are screaming for investment in their areas and investment in themselves and kids because they can see the world moving on withut them. To put this into perspective my mother and father and grandfather voted OUT, none are voting tory. It already happened at the local elections. Seen plenty of interviews with ordinary folk on the street on mainstream news like BBC and sky and many of them old Labour voters saying they will be voting for Theresa May instead of Corbyn. You labour supporters really have got to come to terms with the fact Corbyn is toxic and will cost you votes at this election. i thought as a ukipper youd want to take the uk back, wasnt that ukips mottp imagine this our own nhs, water, elelctricity, railways etc etc That's precisely why I won't be voting Labour. Keeping us in the EU single market and the customs union is NOT leaving. It's a fudge by Labour to keep us half in and half out of the wretched EU. It's a half baked, half hearted, half arsed attempt at Brexit from Labour. You do talk a lot of bollocks. Are Norway part of the EU? Is Switzerland? Turkey? No. But they are a part of the customs union and/or single market. -Matt Being in the single market and the customs union comes with lots of EU 'conditions' such as still being subject to the free movement of people and still being subject to EU regulations and it forbids you signing your own trade deals outside of the EU. A very large chunk of the reasons why people voted Leave won't be able to be achieved if we are kept in the single market and the customs union. It's Labour who are talking bollocks on Brexit. " Norway is in the SM and gets to make its own trade deals and does not have to take free movement of labour. Why cant we? | |||
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"I think Theresa May is all about Brexit, but not in the way that you think. She's very much a remainer, idelogically, and is doing anything she can for Brexit to break down, possibly including throwing away her majority. " exactly, thiz iznt what was expected and no way will we be allowed to leave the eu. you had gove, farage, bojo and scameron jumping ship because they were knee deep in it. i mean who would believe flange bojo and gove anyway. shes here to deflect brexit and give us the hardest right wing government in the eu. | |||
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"i mentioned this in a post a few days back, and just yesterday saw the same idea on social media. we all know May is in way over her head and doesnt really offer anything for the general public, she wants to take away internet freedoms, she wants punish the old, the young, those with families and those with decent jobs who have had wages frozen for years. her policies make any right wing dictatorship look at her in awe. she seems she wants to punish anyone apart from her billionaire crony mates. what is it that appeals to people to vote for this vile specimen of the human race. we only have the constant propaganda and bias of the major mainstream media owned by billionaires supporting her. shes a remainer who wants to fight a hard fight with europe now who in their right minds would vote for her?" Although let's be honest, All made possible, Thanks to Jeremy Corbyn.  | |||
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"Are there still people blindly believing that corbyn isn't making ground fast!! I'm guessing the same people that thought brexit wouldn't happen and Clinton would be president,,, Please keep on the way you are,, Corbyn is relying on you!! Lol x" Latest polls, the surge in younger voters, the reaction to the social care change are not helping May. Have you not see the full Tramere Stadium for Corbyn's speech? You must be at least worried. What has brexit and trump taught us? Their campaigns telling us what we want to hear works. So far May hasn't said anything for the majority. At least the brexit campaign talked about investing back into the country. May hasn't tackled any issues. | |||
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"Are there still people blindly believing that corbyn isn't making ground fast!! I'm guessing the same people that thought brexit wouldn't happen and Clinton would be president,,, Please keep on the way you are,, Corbyn is relying on you!! Lol x Latest polls, the surge in younger voters, the reaction to the social care change are not helping May. Have you not see the full Tramere Stadium for Corbyn's speech? You must be at least worried. What has brexit and trump taught us? Their campaigns telling us what we want to hear works. So far May hasn't said anything for the majority. At least the brexit campaign talked about investing back into the country. May hasn't tackled any issues." What I'm saying is it's not a left right problem. It was an underdog and a populist issue. | |||
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"I think Theresa May is all about Brexit, but not in the way that you think. She's very much a remainer, idelogically, and is doing anything she can for Brexit to break down, possibly including throwing away her majority. exactly, thiz iznt what was expected and no way will we be allowed to leave the eu. you had gove, farage, bojo and scameron jumping ship because they were knee deep in it. i mean who would believe flange bojo and gove anyway. shes here to deflect brexit and give us the hardest right wing government in the eu." Of course we will leave. If brexit negotiations break down then we will simply just leave without a deal and trade on wto terms with the EU. Theresa May's government had already drawn up a contingency plan for no deal. Remember Theresa May saying over and over again "no deal is better than a bad deal". Maybe she needs to say it some more so people like you finally get the message. | |||
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"Are there still people blindly believing that corbyn isn't making ground fast!! I'm guessing the same people that thought brexit wouldn't happen and Clinton would be president,,, Please keep on the way you are,, Corbyn is relying on you!! Lol x" I've been on this forum a long time and I said Brexit would happen (made a good pay packet from betting on leave) and I said on here right at the start of the US primaries Donald Trump would win the Presidency. Corbyn won't win this election, he is toxic to a lot of voters, and Theresa May's personal rating is much better than his. Labour is still a divided party on Brexit and on Trident, divided parties don't win elections. The Conservatives will win this election. | |||
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"Are there still people blindly believing that corbyn isn't making ground fast!! I'm guessing the same people that thought brexit wouldn't happen and Clinton would be president,,, Please keep on the way you are,, Corbyn is relying on you!! Lol x I've been on this forum a long time and I said Brexit would happen (made a good pay packet from betting on leave) and I said on here right at the start of the US primaries Donald Trump would win the Presidency. Corbyn won't win this election, he is toxic to a lot of voters, and Theresa May's personal rating is much better than his. Labour is still a divided party on Brexit and on Trident, divided parties don't win elections. The Conservatives will win this election. " Hope your correct and I think you are , but I've a feeling it's gonna be closer than expected | |||
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"I will deffinatly vote now , for May , but I think she is having a poor campaign ! Corbyn booked by not going on the debate , but is coming over better than expected and he does tend to answer questions ! This could be closer than expected ! Remember he had no chance of been the Labour leader ! Be afraid
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Get out and vote May ! "I think the perceived bounce back from Labour will help Theresa May get a bigger majority. It was even suggested on sky news this is a deliberate Tory election tactic to let Labour bounce back a bit to scare complacent Tory and ukip voters into getting out and voting, who otherwise may have stayed at home out of complacency that the tories already had in in the bag. The biggest threat to Theresa May and the tories is not Corbyn or Labour, the threat was complacency after she did well in the local elections and had a massive lead in the polls. Now the polls have narrowed a bit the complacency will be gone and the Tory vote will come out for sure. On top of this Theresa May already has the ukip vote in the bag because ukip have been fighting for Brexit for the last 20 to 30 years. Ukip voters are not about to let brexit get away from them at the final hurdle and they will come out and vote for Theresa May on June 8th. | |||
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"As much as some like to think ukip voters were all about imagration and they will now follow Teresa mays every move, in my part of the world they are old socialist labour voters that wanted the best for the nhs, the schools and other sectors that couldn't cope with the influx of migration,, and now all are looking at a socialist labour leader with good policies on all of the above, safe in the knowledge that brexit will happen whoever wins, the old socialists are retuning in droves!! One more mistake Teresa may has made "Blaming immigrants for poorly performing social services doesn't sound very socialist to me | |||
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"As much as some like to think ukip voters were all about imagration and they will now follow Teresa mays every move, in my part of the world they are old socialist labour voters that wanted the best for the nhs, the schools and other sectors that couldn't cope with the influx of migration,, and now all are looking at a socialist labour leader with good policies on all of the above, safe in the knowledge that brexit will happen whoever wins, the old socialists are retuning in droves!! One more mistake Teresa may has made
Blaming immigrants for poorly performing social services doesn't sound very socialist to me"I appologise, my mistake,, they actually blamed the Tory policy on immigration,, one that Teresa May as home secratary was in charge of?? Not another mistake!!  | |||
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"As much as some like to think ukip voters were all about imagration and they will now follow Teresa mays every move, in my part of the world they are old socialist labour voters that wanted the best for the nhs, the schools and other sectors that couldn't cope with the influx of migration,, and now all are looking at a socialist labour leader with good policies on all of the above, safe in the knowledge that brexit will happen whoever wins, the old socialists are retuning in droves!! One more mistake Teresa may has made "As a (former) ukip supporter/voter myself I can tell you the number one issue for ukippers is brexit and Theresa May's plan for brexit is the type of brexit ukippers want. We don't want a half in brexit being kept in the single market and the customs union with all the EU strings and conditions that would come attached to it. The Lib dems even unveiled a poster yesterday with Nigel Farage dressed as Theresa May saying "vote for her get him". I think it's a great poster and will confirm to ukip voters they are doing the right think by voting conservative. The Conservatives should copy the poster it would get them more ukip votes.  | |||
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"As much as some like to think ukip voters were all about imagration and they will now follow Teresa mays every move, in my part of the world they are old socialist labour voters that wanted the best for the nhs, the schools and other sectors that couldn't cope with the influx of migration,, and now all are looking at a socialist labour leader with good policies on all of the above, safe in the knowledge that brexit will happen whoever wins, the old socialists are retuning in droves!! One more mistake Teresa may has made
Blaming immigrants for poorly performing social services doesn't sound very socialist to me
I appologise, my mistake,, they actually blamed the Tory policy on immigration,, one that Teresa May as home secratary was in charge of?? Not another mistake!! "Either way, Treasury figures show migrants make a net tax contribution so blaming them for poor services is a logical fallacy. | |||
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"As much as some like to think ukip voters were all about imagration and they will now follow Teresa mays every move, in my part of the world they are old socialist labour voters that wanted the best for the nhs, the schools and other sectors that couldn't cope with the influx of migration,, and now all are looking at a socialist labour leader with good policies on all of the above, safe in the knowledge that brexit will happen whoever wins, the old socialists are retuning in droves!! One more mistake Teresa may has made
Blaming immigrants for poorly performing social services doesn't sound very socialist to me
I appologise, my mistake,, they actually blamed the Tory policy on immigration,, one that Teresa May as home secratary was in charge of?? Not another mistake!!
Either way, Treasury figures show migrants make a net tax contribution so blaming them for poor services is a logical fallacy. "I think the independent body called migration watch would dispute those figures. You're voting Lib dem aren't you? Vincent Cable said in an article a few months ago that immigration had no net benefit and at best positives level out with the negatives in the medium to long term. | |||
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"As much as some like to think ukip voters were all about imagration and they will now follow Teresa mays every move, in my part of the world they are old socialist labour voters that wanted the best for the nhs, the schools and other sectors that couldn't cope with the influx of migration,, and now all are looking at a socialist labour leader with good policies on all of the above, safe in the knowledge that brexit will happen whoever wins, the old socialists are retuning in droves!! One more mistake Teresa may has made
As a (former) ukip supporter/voter myself I can tell you the number one issue for ukippers is brexit and Theresa May's plan for brexit is the type of brexit ukippers want. We don't want a half in brexit being kept in the single market and the customs union with all the EU strings and conditions that would come attached to it. The Lib dems even unveiled a poster yesterday with Nigel Farage dressed as Theresa May saying "vote for her get him". I think it's a great poster and will confirm to ukip voters they are doing the right think by voting conservative. The Conservatives should copy the poster it would get them more ukip votes. "I prefer the Montgomery burns/Teresa May poster (release the hounds!!!) | |||
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"As much as some like to think ukip voters were all about imagration and they will now follow Teresa mays every move, in my part of the world they are old socialist labour voters that wanted the best for the nhs, the schools and other sectors that couldn't cope with the influx of migration,, and now all are looking at a socialist labour leader with good policies on all of the above, safe in the knowledge that brexit will happen whoever wins, the old socialists are retuning in droves!! One more mistake Teresa may has made
Blaming immigrants for poorly performing social services doesn't sound very socialist to me
I appologise, my mistake,, they actually blamed the Tory policy on immigration,, one that Teresa May as home secratary was in charge of?? Not another mistake!!
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"As much as some like to think ukip voters were all about imagration and they will now follow Teresa mays every move, in my part of the world they are old socialist labour voters that wanted the best for the nhs, the schools and other sectors that couldn't cope with the influx of migration,, and now all are looking at a socialist labour leader with good policies on all of the above, safe in the knowledge that brexit will happen whoever wins, the old socialists are retuning in droves!! One more mistake Teresa may has made
Blaming immigrants for poorly performing social services doesn't sound very socialist to me
I appologise, my mistake,, they actually blamed the Tory policy on immigration,, one that Teresa May as home secratary was in charge of?? Not another mistake!!
Either way, Treasury figures show migrants make a net tax contribution so blaming them for poor services is a logical fallacy.
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"As much as some like to think ukip voters were all about imagration and they will now follow Teresa mays every move, in my part of the world they are old socialist labour voters that wanted the best for the nhs, the schools and other sectors that couldn't cope with the influx of migration,, and now all are looking at a socialist labour leader with good policies on all of the above, safe in the knowledge that brexit will happen whoever wins, the old socialists are retuning in droves!! One more mistake Teresa may has made
Blaming immigrants for poorly performing social services doesn't sound very socialist to me
I appologise, my mistake,, they actually blamed the Tory policy on immigration,, one that Teresa May as home secratary was in charge of?? Not another mistake!!
Either way, Treasury figures show migrants make a net tax contribution so blaming them for poor services is a logical fallacy.
And you honestly think most ukip voters care that it's a logical fallacy?
You called good old socialists, I'm just pointing out that blaming your problems on immigrants ain't very socialist."Yet again I'll appologise, and again explain that the Tory immigration policy is the reason,, broken promise after broken promise by Teresa may I think there are one or two people now that don't believe her??? Just saying I hope that's not a logical fallacy? | |||
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"think this election will be how stupid or gullible people are. this is a massuve fuck you to pensioners whos worked or their lives and have to give everything back to the state. its ok if you have million pound houses and afford care abd have million piund investments etc. but to give everything back to social care and maybe not a penny to the children is shocking. if youre a billionaire and can just scrape by vote tory. if not theres no other choice than to get the tories out." You need to wake up and get real. There is no money tree and everything in life has to be paid for. Pensions in this country are a ticking time bomb and it's about time someone addressed the challenges that lay ahead with Pensions. Pensions need reform and change. The public have been asking for more honesty and Theresa May is giving them honest answers to problems that need realistic solutions. Labours plans are pie in the sky nonsense, let's borrow and spend and let the next generation worry about the huge debt. We had 13 years of labour under Blair and Brown with a borrow and spend attitude they spent all the money and have left us with the debt to pay. You can't keep passing the buck onto the next generation. | |||
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"think this election will be how stupid or gullible people are. this is a massuve fuck you to pensioners whos worked or their lives and have to give everything back to the state. its ok if you have million pound houses and afford care abd have million piund investments etc. but to give everything back to social care and maybe not a penny to the children is shocking. if youre a billionaire and can just scrape by vote tory. if not theres no other choice than to get the tories out. You need to wake up and get real. There is no money tree and everything in life has to be paid for. Pensions in this country are a ticking time bomb and it's about time someone addressed the challenges that lay ahead with Pensions. Pensions need reform and change. The public have been asking for more honesty and Theresa May is giving them honest answers to problems that need realistic solutions. Labours plans are pie in the sky nonsense, let's borrow and spend and let the next generation worry about the huge debt. We had 13 years of labour under Blair and Brown with a borrow and spend attitude they spent all the money and have left us with the debt to pay. You can't keep passing the buck onto the next generation. " thats nothing ib comparison to tories tripling debt in 7 years | |||
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"think this election will be how stupid or gullible people are. this is a massuve fuck you to pensioners whos worked or their lives and have to give everything back to the state. its ok if you have million pound houses and afford care abd have million piund investments etc. but to give everything back to social care and maybe not a penny to the children is shocking. if youre a billionaire and can just scrape by vote tory. if not theres no other choice than to get the tories out. You need to wake up and get real. There is no money tree and everything in life has to be paid for. Pensions in this country are a ticking time bomb and it's about time someone addressed the challenges that lay ahead with Pensions. Pensions need reform and change. The public have been asking for more honesty and Theresa May is giving them honest answers to problems that need realistic solutions. Labours plans are pie in the sky nonsense, let's borrow and spend and let the next generation worry about the huge debt. We had 13 years of labour under Blair and Brown with a borrow and spend attitude they spent all the money and have left us with the debt to pay. You can't keep passing the buck onto the next generation. " Good honest answers. Yup. That is why they can't even be bothered to cost their manifesto pledges? That why May has to stage manage all her appearances? That why she has to exclude press from her gatherings in case they ask any 'difficult' questions? -Matt | |||
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"think this election will be how stupid or gullible people are. this is a massuve fuck you to pensioners whos worked or their lives and have to give everything back to the state. its ok if you have million pound houses and afford care abd have million piund investments etc. but to give everything back to social care and maybe not a penny to the children is shocking. if youre a billionaire and can just scrape by vote tory. if not theres no other choice than to get the tories out. You need to wake up and get real. There is no money tree and everything in life has to be paid for. Pensions in this country are a ticking time bomb and it's about time someone addressed the challenges that lay ahead with Pensions. Pensions need reform and change. The public have been asking for more honesty and Theresa May is giving them honest answers to problems that need realistic solutions. Labours plans are pie in the sky nonsense, let's borrow and spend and let the next generation worry about the huge debt. We had 13 years of labour under Blair and Brown with a borrow and spend attitude they spent all the money and have left us with the debt to pay. You can't keep passing the buck onto the next generation. thats nothing ib comparison to tories tripling debt in 7 years" We've not had a Tory government for 7 years, from 2010 to 2015 it was a Tory/Lib dem coalition government who inherited a huge debt from Labour. We had a Tory government from 2015 to the present which is only 2 years. | |||
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"think this election will be how stupid or gullible people are. this is a massuve fuck you to pensioners whos worked or their lives and have to give everything back to the state. its ok if you have million pound houses and afford care abd have million piund investments etc. but to give everything back to social care and maybe not a penny to the children is shocking. if youre a billionaire and can just scrape by vote tory. if not theres no other choice than to get the tories out. You need to wake up and get real. There is no money tree and everything in life has to be paid for. Pensions in this country are a ticking time bomb and it's about time someone addressed the challenges that lay ahead with Pensions. Pensions need reform and change. The public have been asking for more honesty and Theresa May is giving them honest answers to problems that need realistic solutions. Labours plans are pie in the sky nonsense, let's borrow and spend and let the next generation worry about the huge debt. We had 13 years of labour under Blair and Brown with a borrow and spend attitude they spent all the money and have left us with the debt to pay. You can't keep passing the buck onto the next generation. thats nothing ib comparison to tories tripling debt in 7 years We've not had a Tory government for 7 years, from 2010 to 2015 it was a Tory/Lib dem coalition government who inherited a huge debt from Labour. We had a Tory government from 2015 to the present which is only 2 years. " tories were running the show, with gormless george as chancellor, now maybe if they had vince gable it would have bern different, but they TRIPLED debt since 2010. | |||
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"think this election will be how stupid or gullible people are. this is a massuve fuck you to pensioners whos worked or their lives and have to give everything back to the state. its ok if you have million pound houses and afford care abd have million piund investments etc. but to give everything back to social care and maybe not a penny to the children is shocking. if youre a billionaire and can just scrape by vote tory. if not theres no other choice than to get the tories out. You need to wake up and get real. There is no money tree and everything in life has to be paid for. Pensions in this country are a ticking time bomb and it's about time someone addressed the challenges that lay ahead with Pensions. Pensions need reform and change. The public have been asking for more honesty and Theresa May is giving them honest answers to problems that need realistic solutions. Labours plans are pie in the sky nonsense, let's borrow and spend and let the next generation worry about the huge debt. We had 13 years of labour under Blair and Brown with a borrow and spend attitude they spent all the money and have left us with the debt to pay. You can't keep passing the buck onto the next generation. thats nothing ib comparison to tories tripling debt in 7 years We've not had a Tory government for 7 years, from 2010 to 2015 it was a Tory/Lib dem coalition government who inherited a huge debt from Labour. We had a Tory government from 2015 to the present which is only 2 years. tories were running the show, with gormless george as chancellor, now maybe if they had vince gable it would have bern different, but they TRIPLED debt since 2010. " Indeed, and it is not so much that the borrow has increased itself. I think increasing the borrowing could be a good move if we use the money for something useful. But we have been increasing the borrowing with very little to show for it and all the while the government are yelling AUSTERITY! at us. -Matt | |||
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"think this election will be how stupid or gullible people are. this is a massuve fuck you to pensioners whos worked or their lives and have to give everything back to the state. its ok if you have million pound houses and afford care abd have million piund investments etc. but to give everything back to social care and maybe not a penny to the children is shocking. if youre a billionaire and can just scrape by vote tory. if not theres no other choice than to get the tories out. You need to wake up and get real. There is no money tree and everything in life has to be paid for. Pensions in this country are a ticking time bomb and it's about time someone addressed the challenges that lay ahead with Pensions. Pensions need reform and change. The public have been asking for more honesty and Theresa May is giving them honest answers to problems that need realistic solutions. Labours plans are pie in the sky nonsense, let's borrow and spend and let the next generation worry about the huge debt. We had 13 years of labour under Blair and Brown with a borrow and spend attitude they spent all the money and have left us with the debt to pay. You can't keep passing the buck onto the next generation. thats nothing ib comparison to tories tripling debt in 7 years We've not had a Tory government for 7 years, from 2010 to 2015 it was a Tory/Lib dem coalition government who inherited a huge debt from Labour. We had a Tory government from 2015 to the present which is only 2 years. tories were running the show, with gormless george as chancellor, now maybe if they had vince gable it would have bern different, but they TRIPLED debt since 2010. " We did have Vince Cable he was business secretary from 2010 to 2015. Old Vince oversaw the sell of Royal Mail into Privatisation. | |||
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"one thing i have noticed in this thread...... notice that those intending on voting blue actually don't want this to turn into a policy discussion..... because as bojo and damian green found out this morning.... that means you have to actually defend their own proposed policies.... and to be honest it was cringeworthy...... and then it always turns back to brexit..... so bascially what it comes down to is they have decided that all the shit that comes with there pensioner policy... and their social care policy (of which i have yet to hear anyone put forward a brilliant case....) are worth it because they are so blinded by brexit... and then you wonder why may doesn't want to go on TV or debate... yeah, let the activist on the doorstep try to sell it and defend it!!!!" | |||
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"think this election will be how stupid or gullible people are. this is a massuve fuck you to pensioners whos worked or their lives and have to give everything back to the state. its ok if you have million pound houses and afford care abd have million piund investments etc. but to give everything back to social care and maybe not a penny to the children is shocking. if youre a billionaire and can just scrape by vote tory. if not theres no other choice than to get the tories out. You need to wake up and get real. There is no money tree and everything in life has to be paid for. Pensions in this country are a ticking time bomb and it's about time someone addressed the challenges that lay ahead with Pensions. Pensions need reform and change. The public have been asking for more honesty and Theresa May is giving them honest answers to problems that need realistic solutions. Labours plans are pie in the sky nonsense, let's borrow and spend and let the next generation worry about the huge debt. We had 13 years of labour under Blair and Brown with a borrow and spend attitude they spent all the money and have left us with the debt to pay. You can't keep passing the buck onto the next generation. thats nothing ib comparison to tories tripling debt in 7 years We've not had a Tory government for 7 years, from 2010 to 2015 it was a Tory/Lib dem coalition government who inherited a huge debt from Labour. We had a Tory government from 2015 to the present which is only 2 years. tories were running the show, with gormless george as chancellor, now maybe if they had vince gable it would have bern different, but they TRIPLED debt since 2010. " Are you suggesting that the debt would be significantly lower if another party had won the 2010 election? | |||
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"one thing i have noticed in this thread...... notice that those intending on voting blue actually don't want this to turn into a policy discussion..... because as bojo and damian green found out this morning.... that means you have to actually defend their own proposed policies.... and to be honest it was cringeworthy...... and then it always turns back to brexit..... so bascially what it comes down to is they have decided that all the shit that comes with there pensioner policy... and their social care policy (of which i have yet to hear anyone put forward a brilliant case....) are worth it because they are so blinded by brexit... and then you wonder why may doesn't want to go on TV or debate... yeah, let the activist on the doorstep try to sell it and defend it!!!!" Maybe your time has been taken up with your beloved Arsenal missing out on a champions league spot today _abio. You seem to have missed my posts on the other threads. It's not just about Brexit with the tories. Since the latest Labour Gaffe with Emily Thornberry saying trident could be scrapped if Labour win it's clear Labour are a divided party on trident (it's in the manifesto to keep it)? The tories are talking about trident now there is no question the tories are fully United on keeping and renewing trident. | |||
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"one thing i have noticed in this thread...... notice that those intending on voting blue actually don't want this to turn into a policy discussion..... because as bojo and damian green found out this morning.... that means you have to actually defend their own proposed policies.... and to be honest it was cringeworthy...... and then it always turns back to brexit..... so bascially what it comes down to is they have decided that all the shit that comes with there pensioner policy... and their social care policy (of which i have yet to hear anyone put forward a brilliant case....) are worth it because they are so blinded by brexit... and then you wonder why may doesn't want to go on TV or debate... yeah, let the activist on the doorstep try to sell it and defend it!!!!" I can't really think of any exciting ways to spin "we need to eliminate the deficit and start reducing debt". Labour can just stick their head in the sand about it but when interest rates rise we are actually in danger of bankruptcy. | |||
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"one thing i have noticed in this thread...... notice that those intending on voting blue actually don't want this to turn into a policy discussion..... because as bojo and damian green found out this morning.... that means you have to actually defend their own proposed policies.... and to be honest it was cringeworthy...... and then it always turns back to brexit..... so bascially what it comes down to is they have decided that all the shit that comes with there pensioner policy... and their social care policy (of which i have yet to hear anyone put forward a brilliant case....) are worth it because they are so blinded by brexit... and then you wonder why may doesn't want to go on TV or debate... yeah, let the activist on the doorstep try to sell it and defend it!!!! Maybe your time has been taken up with your beloved Arsenal missing out on a champions league spot today _abio. You seem to have missed my posts on the other threads. It's not just about Brexit with the tories. Since the latest Labour Gaffe with Emily Thornberry saying trident could be scrapped if Labour win it's clear Labour are a divided party on trident (it's in the manifesto to keep it)? The tories are talking about trident now there is no question the tories are fully United on keeping and renewing trident. "You have remainers in the conservatives. Let's get rid of them. Cannot allow difference of opinions. | |||
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"thank you to centaur and broken for proving my point.... again...its talking about everyone elses policies except your own! this is the frustration in all the damn talking points people spout like they are reading the talking points straight out of CCHQ!!! see.... i get that you feel the need to trash.... negative campaigning and all that, but if you are going to win the election, then in the end it has to be YOUR policies you have to stand on and enact..... and that is the entire point I was making... stand on your education policy... of which the IFS have work out that it is actually a real terms cut on money... Stand on your pensioner policy.... are at least defend it with some rationale? for example... the uk tories are so convinced on the policy that the scottish tories have said the winter fuel cuts won't apply to those in scotland yey.... just england wales and northern ireland then!!! whooppee!!!! Stand on your social care policy.... or again at least try to defend it with some rationale... if you are going to protest 100k of assets..... but the average house uk price at the moment is "190k"...... please tell me why it doesn't just look like a raid on estates? thats why i said i feel for the activists who have to door knock and defend these policies...... because the people with the biggest audiences, like the leader of your party dont.... or won't.... and the said thing about the don't/won't is i am not sure which it is.... " Except they ain't my policies because i ain't voting tory. I've said this quite a few times and we've had the conversation that on balance, your views most align to lib dems on this occassion, as do mine. | |||
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"thank you to centaur and broken for proving my point.... again...its talking about everyone elses policies except your own! this is the frustration in all the damn talking points people spout like they are reading the talking points straight out of CCHQ!!! see.... i get that you feel the need to trash.... negative campaigning and all that, but if you are going to win the election, then in the end it has to be YOUR policies you have to stand on and enact..... and that is the entire point I was making... stand on your education policy... of which the IFS have work out that it is actually a real terms cut on money... Stand on your pensioner policy.... are at least defend it with some rationale? for example... the uk tories are so convinced on the policy that the scottish tories have said the winter fuel cuts won't apply to those in scotland yey.... just england wales and northern ireland then!!! whooppee!!!! Stand on your social care policy.... or again at least try to defend it with some rationale... if you are going to protest 100k of assets..... but the average house uk price at the moment is "190k"...... please tell me why it doesn't just look like a raid on estates? thats why i said i feel for the activists who have to door knock and defend these policies...... because the people with the biggest audiences, like the leader of your party dont.... or won't.... and the said thing about the don't/won't is i am not sure which it is.... " How is it talking about everyone else's policies when I pointed out the tories policy on Brexit and the tories policy on trident? | |||
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"one thing i have noticed in this thread...... notice that those intending on voting blue actually don't want this to turn into a policy discussion..... because as bojo and damian green found out this morning.... that means you have to actually defend their own proposed policies.... and to be honest it was cringeworthy...... and then it always turns back to brexit..... so bascially what it comes down to is they have decided that all the shit that comes with there pensioner policy... and their social care policy (of which i have yet to hear anyone put forward a brilliant case....) are worth it because they are so blinded by brexit... and then you wonder why may doesn't want to go on TV or debate... yeah, let the activist on the doorstep try to sell it and defend it!!!! Maybe your time has been taken up with your beloved Arsenal missing out on a champions league spot today _abio. You seem to have missed my posts on the other threads. It's not just about Brexit with the tories. Since the latest Labour Gaffe with Emily Thornberry saying trident could be scrapped if Labour win it's clear Labour are a divided party on trident (it's in the manifesto to keep it)? The tories are talking about trident now there is no question the tories are fully United on keeping and renewing trident.
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"thank you to centaur and broken for proving my point.... again...its talking about everyone elses policies except your own! this is the frustration in all the damn talking points people spout like they are reading the talking points straight out of CCHQ!!! see.... i get that you feel the need to trash.... negative campaigning and all that, but if you are going to win the election, then in the end it has to be YOUR policies you have to stand on and enact..... and that is the entire point I was making... stand on your education policy... of which the IFS have work out that it is actually a real terms cut on money... Stand on your pensioner policy.... are at least defend it with some rationale? for example... the uk tories are so convinced on the policy that the scottish tories have said the winter fuel cuts won't apply to those in scotland yey.... just england wales and northern ireland then!!! whooppee!!!! Stand on your social care policy.... or again at least try to defend it with some rationale... if you are going to protest 100k of assets..... but the average house uk price at the moment is "190k"...... please tell me why it doesn't just look like a raid on estates? thats why i said i feel for the activists who have to door knock and defend these policies...... because the people with the biggest audiences, like the leader of your party dont.... or won't.... and the said thing about the don't/won't is i am not sure which it is.... How is it talking about everyone else's policies when I pointed out the tories policy on Brexit and the tories policy on trident? " Talking about brexit is the default position on everything... it's being used like an switch on conversation about anything else! It looks like it is being used to stifle any conversation... | |||
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"thank you to centaur and broken for proving my point.... again...its talking about everyone elses policies except your own! this is the frustration in all the damn talking points people spout like they are reading the talking points straight out of CCHQ!!! see.... i get that you feel the need to trash.... negative campaigning and all that, but if you are going to win the election, then in the end it has to be YOUR policies you have to stand on and enact..... and that is the entire point I was making... stand on your education policy... of which the IFS have work out that it is actually a real terms cut on money... Stand on your pensioner policy.... are at least defend it with some rationale? for example... the uk tories are so convinced on the policy that the scottish tories have said the winter fuel cuts won't apply to those in scotland yey.... just england wales and northern ireland then!!! whooppee!!!! Stand on your social care policy.... or again at least try to defend it with some rationale... if you are going to protest 100k of assets..... but the average house uk price at the moment is "190k"...... please tell me why it doesn't just look like a raid on estates? thats why i said i feel for the activists who have to door knock and defend these policies...... because the people with the biggest audiences, like the leader of your party dont.... or won't.... and the said thing about the don't/won't is i am not sure which it is.... How is it talking about everyone else's policies when I pointed out the tories policy on Brexit and the tories policy on trident? Talking about brexit is the default position on everything... it's being used like an switch on conversation about anything else! It looks like it is being used to stifle any conversation... " Standard.They'd vote for a talking donkey if it gave them the hardest brexit possible.They've got one to be fair .Donkeys are strong and live in stables. | |||
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"thank you to centaur and broken for proving my point.... again...its talking about everyone elses policies except your own! this is the frustration in all the damn talking points people spout like they are reading the talking points straight out of CCHQ!!! see.... i get that you feel the need to trash.... negative campaigning and all that, but if you are going to win the election, then in the end it has to be YOUR policies you have to stand on and enact..... and that is the entire point I was making... stand on your education policy... of which the IFS have work out that it is actually a real terms cut on money... Stand on your pensioner policy.... are at least defend it with some rationale? for example... the uk tories are so convinced on the policy that the scottish tories have said the winter fuel cuts won't apply to those in scotland yey.... just england wales and northern ireland then!!! whooppee!!!! Stand on your social care policy.... or again at least try to defend it with some rationale... if you are going to protest 100k of assets..... but the average house uk price at the moment is "190k"...... please tell me why it doesn't just look like a raid on estates? thats why i said i feel for the activists who have to door knock and defend these policies...... because the people with the biggest audiences, like the leader of your party dont.... or won't.... and the said thing about the don't/won't is i am not sure which it is.... How is it talking about everyone else's policies when I pointed out the tories policy on Brexit and the tories policy on trident? Talking about brexit is the default position on everything... it's being used like an switch on conversation about anything else! It looks like it is being used to stifle any conversation... " It's you who keeps constantly bringing the conversation back to Brexit though. Your post is the 2nd time on this thread you've ignored the policy on trident after its been highlighted twice. | |||
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"Now the Tories don't even agree with the manifesto?? Changing the way they describe the dementia tax still doesn't make it good, Infact there now doesn't seem to be any answers being provided for a possible cap, which is just making a bad idea a lot more worrying!! Not strong and definitely not stable?? " In full on retreat I think.... but they haven't said what the cap would be, and they haven't costed it.... It's like a plaster over an open wound.... | |||
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"Now the Tories don't even agree with the manifesto?? Changing the way they describe the dementia tax still doesn't make it good, Infact there now doesn't seem to be any answers being provided for a possible cap, which is just making a bad idea a lot more worrying!! Not strong and definitely not stable?? In full on retreat I think.... but they haven't said what the cap would be, and they haven't costed it.... It's like a plaster over an open wound...." What would a cap mean? If you have more money they won't charge as much? | |||
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"Now the Tories don't even agree with the manifesto?? Changing the way they describe the dementia tax still doesn't make it good, Infact there now doesn't seem to be any answers being provided for a possible cap, which is just making a bad idea a lot more worrying!! Not strong and definitely not stable?? In full on retreat I think.... but they haven't said what the cap would be, and they haven't costed it.... It's like a plaster over an open wound...." Which the press will keep picking at till the GE.. Maybe that's why the Tories were vague on the costings.. | |||
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"Theresa may is the gift that keeps on giving. 3 more weeks of this and she will be gifting corbyn the election. Labour was 20-1 3 days ago. today they are 12-1.. almost halfed. keep up the good work theresa may "According to oddschecker the best you can get is 14-1 whilst many are still 20-1 which just implies ladbrokes want some conservative bets to balance their account. Labour are still 11-1 in many places, down from 14-1 but still massive. The leave vote was only 4-1 before it happened and that took many people by surprise. | |||
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"Theresa May today was a shambles big u-turn and cant even tell people what the cap will be lol Today the media acted like a media challenging the government on policy and their u-turn more of it. This is why Theresa May is not wanting to face the public or face Nicola Sturgeon in a debate because policies would be challenged Strong and stable my arse!!! If this doesnt wake people up what will are people really going to hand this woman control over brexit when she does a u-turn on her own manifesto after it was published that is an embarrassment. The Tories are the laughing stock all over the world since 2010 they have borrowed and added to the UK debt and its now Trillions they are punishing the poor while giving tax breaks to the rich bunch of sick ass bastards " The fact that people seem surprised that Theresa May is doing a u-turn baffles me. She has prominent in the remain campaign ands how promises to deliver a hard brexit... She said she definitley wasn't going to call a snap election.... At some point "U-Turn" is going to start seeming generous, and people will decide that "lie" is more appropriate. | |||
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"Theresa may is the gift that keeps on giving. 3 more weeks of this and she will be gifting corbyn the election. Labour was 20-1 3 days ago. today they are 12-1.. almost halfed. keep up the good work theresa may
According to oddschecker the best you can get is 14-1 whilst many are still 20-1 which just implies ladbrokes want some conservative bets to balance their account.
Labour are still 11-1 in many places, down from 14-1 but still massive. The leave vote was only 4-1 before it happened and that took many people by surprise. "ive just looked at odds checker and the best you can get is 12/1 but many are now at 7/1 like william hill.Seems the tide is turning. | |||
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"What planet are you on OP? She's going to win because she's none of the things you describe. Stop insulting the electorate." i'll tell im not in some wet dream with May. so tell me which ones shes not with any reasons so? | |||
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"Theresa may is the gift that keeps on giving. 3 more weeks of this and she will be gifting corbyn the election. Labour was 20-1 3 days ago. today they are 12-1.. almost halfed. keep up the good work theresa may
According to oddschecker the best you can get is 14-1 whilst many are still 20-1 which just implies ladbrokes want some conservative bets to balance their account.
Labour are still 11-1 in many places, down from 14-1 but still massive. The leave vote was only 4-1 before it happened and that took many people by surprise. ive just looked at odds checker and the best you can get is 12/1 but many are now at 7/1 like william hill.Seems the tide is turning."Eh? William Hill - most seats conservative 1-20, Labour 8-1. Whatcha lookin' at? | |||
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"The public are finally seeing that Jeremy Corbyn is not the person he has been portrayed as in sections of the right wing press, although some broadcasters still insist on using the pejorative term “hard left”, which is somewhat at odds with polling that indicates the public supports the policies in the Labour manifesto.Labour is up seven points in three weeks, halving the Conservative lead, with the fall-out from the proposed “dementia tax” still to be fully factored in, U-turns included." People that call themselves marxists are usually consideres hard left yes | |||
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"Theresa may is the gift that keeps on giving. 3 more weeks of this and she will be gifting corbyn the election. Labour was 20-1 3 days ago. today they are 12-1.. almost halfed. keep up the good work theresa may
According to oddschecker the best you can get is 14-1 whilst many are still 20-1 which just implies ladbrokes want some conservative bets to balance their account.
Labour are still 11-1 in many places, down from 14-1 but still massive. The leave vote was only 4-1 before it happened and that took many people by surprise. ive just looked at odds checker and the best you can get is 12/1 but many are now at 7/1 like william hill.Seems the tide is turning.
Eh? William Hill - most seats conservative 1-20, Labour 8-1. Whatcha lookin' at? "From 20/1 to 8/1 in a week is what i saw. | |||
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"The public are finally seeing that Jeremy Corbyn is not the person he has been portrayed as in sections of the right wing press, although some broadcasters still insist on using the pejorative term “hard left”, which is somewhat at odds with polling that indicates the public supports the policies in the Labour manifesto.Labour is up seven points in three weeks, halving the Conservative lead, with the fall-out from the proposed “dementia tax” still to be fully factored in, U-turns included. People that call themselves marxists are usually consideres hard left yes "The electorate likes the manifesto according to polls i doubt they see the policies as hard left.The folks voting for free tuition fees are middle class parents who want their kids to go to uni.Not marxists by anyones standards. | |||
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"The public are finally seeing that Jeremy Corbyn is not the person he has been portrayed as in sections of the right wing press, although some broadcasters still insist on using the pejorative term “hard left”, which is somewhat at odds with polling that indicates the public supports the policies in the Labour manifesto.Labour is up seven points in three weeks, halving the Conservative lead, with the fall-out from the proposed “dementia tax” still to be fully factored in, U-turns included. People that call themselves marxists are usually consideres hard left yes The electorate likes the manifesto according to polls i doubt they see the policies as hard left.The folks voting for free tuition fees are middle class parents who want their kids to go to uni.Not marxists by anyones standards. "They electorate like spending other peoples money - no shit! Shame he hasn't got the money to spend! | |||
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"The public are finally seeing that Jeremy Corbyn is not the person he has been portrayed as in sections of the right wing press, although some broadcasters still insist on using the pejorative term “hard left”, which is somewhat at odds with polling that indicates the public supports the policies in the Labour manifesto.Labour is up seven points in three weeks, halving the Conservative lead, with the fall-out from the proposed “dementia tax” still to be fully factored in, U-turns included. People that call themselves marxists are usually consideres hard left yes The electorate likes the manifesto according to polls i doubt they see the policies as hard left.The folks voting for free tuition fees are middle class parents who want their kids to go to uni.Not marxists by anyones standards.
They electorate like spending other peoples money - no shit! Shame he hasn't got the money to spend! "oh yeah forgot, weve tripled our debt into trillions since 2010.the tories do not have a clue... maybe get some money from tax evasion like most of the media moghuls who own our media and tell you what to think. | |||
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"The public are finally seeing that Jeremy Corbyn is not the person he has been portrayed as in sections of the right wing press, although some broadcasters still insist on using the pejorative term “hard left”, which is somewhat at odds with polling that indicates the public supports the policies in the Labour manifesto.Labour is up seven points in three weeks, halving the Conservative lead, with the fall-out from the proposed “dementia tax” still to be fully factored in, U-turns included. People that call themselves marxists are usually consideres hard left yes The electorate likes the manifesto according to polls i doubt they see the policies as hard left.The folks voting for free tuition fees are middle class parents who want their kids to go to uni.Not marxists by anyones standards.
They electorate like spending other peoples money - no shit! Shame he hasn't got the money to spend! oh yeah forgot, weve tripled our debt into trillions since 2010.the tories do not have a clue...
maybe get some money from tax evasion like most of the media moghuls who own our media and tell you what to think."The rise in debt was inveitable whoever was in power, compound interest works like that. Labour promised to get that tax evision money in 1997 and didn't, conservatives haven't done any better, it's called the laffer curve. | |||
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"The public are finally seeing that Jeremy Corbyn is not the person he has been portrayed as in sections of the right wing press, although some broadcasters still insist on using the pejorative term “hard left”, which is somewhat at odds with polling that indicates the public supports the policies in the Labour manifesto.Labour is up seven points in three weeks, halving the Conservative lead, with the fall-out from the proposed “dementia tax” still to be fully factored in, U-turns included. People that call themselves marxists are usually consideres hard left yes The electorate likes the manifesto according to polls i doubt they see the policies as hard left.The folks voting for free tuition fees are middle class parents who want their kids to go to uni.Not marxists by anyones standards.
They electorate like spending other peoples money - no shit! Shame he hasn't got the money to spend! oh yeah forgot, weve tripled our debt into trillions since 2010.the tories do not have a clue...
maybe get some money from tax evasion like most of the media moghuls who own our media and tell you what to think.
The rise in debt was inveitable whoever was in power, compound interest works like that. Labour promised to get that tax evision money in 1997 and didn't, conservatives haven't done any better, it's called the laffer curve. "well tories said reduce debt by 2015, now 2025 whos playing who. . | |||
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"The public are finally seeing that Jeremy Corbyn is not the person he has been portrayed as in sections of the right wing press, although some broadcasters still insist on using the pejorative term “hard left”, which is somewhat at odds with polling that indicates the public supports the policies in the Labour manifesto.Labour is up seven points in three weeks, halving the Conservative lead, with the fall-out from the proposed “dementia tax” still to be fully factored in, U-turns included. People that call themselves marxists are usually consideres hard left yes The electorate likes the manifesto according to polls i doubt they see the policies as hard left.The folks voting for free tuition fees are middle class parents who want their kids to go to uni.Not marxists by anyones standards.
They electorate like spending other peoples money - no shit! Shame he hasn't got the money to spend! oh yeah forgot, weve tripled our debt into trillions since 2010.the tories do not have a clue...
maybe get some money from tax evasion like most of the media moghuls who own our media and tell you what to think.
The rise in debt was inveitable whoever was in power, compound interest works like that. Labour promised to get that tax evision money in 1997 and didn't, conservatives haven't done any better, it's called the laffer curve. well tories said reduce debt by 2015, now 2025 whos playing who.
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"Yup, they were wrong and that's one of many reasons I'm not voting for them. But they have halved the deficit which is better than nothing so there's no logical justification to vote for mass spending at this time. | |||
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"The public are finally seeing that Jeremy Corbyn is not the person he has been portrayed as in sections of the right wing press, although some broadcasters still insist on using the pejorative term “hard left”, which is somewhat at odds with polling that indicates the public supports the policies in the Labour manifesto.Labour is up seven points in three weeks, halving the Conservative lead, with the fall-out from the proposed “dementia tax” still to be fully factored in, U-turns included. People that call themselves marxists are usually consideres hard left yes The electorate likes the manifesto according to polls i doubt they see the policies as hard left.The folks voting for free tuition fees are middle class parents who want their kids to go to uni.Not marxists by anyones standards.
They electorate like spending other peoples money - no shit! Shame he hasn't got the money to spend! oh yeah forgot, weve tripled our debt into trillions since 2010.the tories do not have a clue...
maybe get some money from tax evasion like most of the media moghuls who own our media and tell you what to think.
The rise in debt was inveitable whoever was in power, compound interest works like that. Labour promised to get that tax evision money in 1997 and didn't, conservatives haven't done any better, it's called the laffer curve. well tories said reduce debt by 2015, now 2025 whos playing who.
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Yup, they were wrong and that's one of many reasons I'm not voting for them. But they have halved the deficit which is better than nothing so there's no logical justification to vote for mass spending at this time. "the manifesto has been fully costed and reviewed by independant auditors etc, they see it makes sense | |||
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"The public are finally seeing that Jeremy Corbyn is not the person he has been portrayed as in sections of the right wing press, although some broadcasters still insist on using the pejorative term “hard left”, which is somewhat at odds with polling that indicates the public supports the policies in the Labour manifesto.Labour is up seven points in three weeks, halving the Conservative lead, with the fall-out from the proposed “dementia tax” still to be fully factored in, U-turns included. People that call themselves marxists are usually consideres hard left yes The electorate likes the manifesto according to polls i doubt they see the policies as hard left.The folks voting for free tuition fees are middle class parents who want their kids to go to uni.Not marxists by anyones standards.
They electorate like spending other peoples money - no shit! Shame he hasn't got the money to spend! oh yeah forgot, weve tripled our debt into trillions since 2010.the tories do not have a clue...
maybe get some money from tax evasion like most of the media moghuls who own our media and tell you what to think.
The rise in debt was inveitable whoever was in power, compound interest works like that. Labour promised to get that tax evision money in 1997 and didn't, conservatives haven't done any better, it's called the laffer curve. well tories said reduce debt by 2015, now 2025 whos playing who.
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Yup, they were wrong and that's one of many reasons I'm not voting for them. But they have halved the deficit which is better than nothing so there's no logical justification to vote for mass spending at this time. the manifesto has been fully costed and reviewed by independant auditors etc, they see it makes sense"Yes based on assumptions that are uncertain. I'm bored of repeating the tax to GDP ratio and tax gap that has existed since 1997 so i'll just sum it up by saying that if corbyns manifesto doesn't add to the debt then he will achieve something no party has in over 20 years... | |||
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"The public are finally seeing that Jeremy Corbyn is not the person he has been portrayed as in sections of the right wing press, although some broadcasters still insist on using the pejorative term “hard left”, which is somewhat at odds with polling that indicates the public supports the policies in the Labour manifesto.Labour is up seven points in three weeks, halving the Conservative lead, with the fall-out from the proposed “dementia tax” still to be fully factored in, U-turns included. People that call themselves marxists are usually consideres hard left yes The electorate likes the manifesto according to polls i doubt they see the policies as hard left.The folks voting for free tuition fees are middle class parents who want their kids to go to uni.Not marxists by anyones standards.
They electorate like spending other peoples money - no shit! Shame he hasn't got the money to spend! oh yeah forgot, weve tripled our debt into trillions since 2010.the tories do not have a clue...
maybe get some money from tax evasion like most of the media moghuls who own our media and tell you what to think.
The rise in debt was inveitable whoever was in power, compound interest works like that. Labour promised to get that tax evision money in 1997 and didn't, conservatives haven't done any better, it's called the laffer curve. well tories said reduce debt by 2015, now 2025 whos playing who.
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Yup, they were wrong and that's one of many reasons I'm not voting for them. But they have halved the deficit which is better than nothing so there's no logical justification to vote for mass spending at this time. the manifesto has been fully costed and reviewed by independant auditors etc, they see it makes sense
Yes based on assumptions that are uncertain. I'm bored of repeating the tax to GDP ratio and tax gap that has existed since 1997 so i'll just sum it up by saying that if corbyns manifesto doesn't add to the debt then he will achieve something no party has in over 20 years... "The future is uncertain more so now because of brexit. All parties sell the illusion of control. | |||
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"She is getting destroyed on the neil interview on bbc1 lol." She cant say where the extra millions will come to the nhs from. | |||
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"The public are finally seeing that Jeremy Corbyn is not the person he has been portrayed as in sections of the right wing press, although some broadcasters still insist on using the pejorative term “hard left”, which is somewhat at odds with polling that indicates the public supports the policies in the Labour manifesto.Labour is up seven points in three weeks, halving the Conservative lead, with the fall-out from the proposed “dementia tax” still to be fully factored in, U-turns included. People that call themselves marxists are usually consideres hard left yes The electorate likes the manifesto according to polls i doubt they see the policies as hard left.The folks voting for free tuition fees are middle class parents who want their kids to go to uni.Not marxists by anyones standards.
They electorate like spending other peoples money - no shit! Shame he hasn't got the money to spend! oh yeah forgot, weve tripled our debt into trillions since 2010.the tories do not have a clue...
maybe get some money from tax evasion like most of the media moghuls who own our media and tell you what to think.
The rise in debt was inveitable whoever was in power, compound interest works like that. Labour promised to get that tax evision money in 1997 and didn't, conservatives haven't done any better, it's called the laffer curve. well tories said reduce debt by 2015, now 2025 whos playing who.
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Yup, they were wrong and that's one of many reasons I'm not voting for them. But they have halved the deficit which is better than nothing so there's no logical justification to vote for mass spending at this time. the manifesto has been fully costed and reviewed by independant auditors etc, they see it makes sense
Yes based on assumptions that are uncertain. I'm bored of repeating the tax to GDP ratio and tax gap that has existed since 1997 so i'll just sum it up by saying that if corbyns manifesto doesn't add to the debt then he will achieve something no party has in over 20 years... The future is uncertain more so now because of brexit. All parties sell the illusion of control."Tru dat | |||
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"She is getting destroyed on the neil interview on bbc1 lol.She cant say where the extra millions will come to the nhs from." Hmmm it's almost as if the country has run out of money and none of the parties can credibly promise anymore from the money tree | |||
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"She is getting destroyed on the neil interview on bbc1 lol.She cant say where the extra millions will come to the nhs from." She cant explain why she have taken away benefit for over 7 million people and he said, how is that being on their side, she is not. | |||
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"She is getting destroyed on the neil interview on bbc1 lol.She cant say where the extra millions will come to the nhs from. Hmmm it's almost as if the country has run out of money and none of the parties can credibly promise anymore from the money tree" That is right, it seems like that, even tho we are the 5th largest economy. I can see britain be like greece and with poverty. | |||
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"She cant explain why she have taken away benefit for over 7 million people and he said, how is that being on their side, she is not." Not can't, wont. | |||
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"She is getting destroyed on the neil interview on bbc1 lol.She cant say where the extra millions will come to the nhs from.She cant explain why she have taken away benefit for over 7 million people and he said, how is that being on their side, she is not." Watching now, she's doing about as well as she did as Home Secretary, utter shit. | |||
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"She cant explain why she have taken away benefit for over 7 million people and he said, how is that being on their side, she is not. Not can't, wont." That is right, she wont. | |||
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"She is getting destroyed on the neil interview on bbc1 lol.She cant say where the extra millions will come to the nhs from. Hmmm it's almost as if the country has run out of money and none of the parties can credibly promise anymore from the money treeThat is right, it seems like that, even tho we are the 5th largest economy. I can see britain be like greece and with poverty. " It's kind of funny that if we can't fund the NHS then how are we going to fund the interest debt given they are similar figures and the later is growing whether we like it or not. | |||
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"She is getting destroyed on the neil interview on bbc1 lol.She cant say where the extra millions will come to the nhs from.She cant explain why she have taken away benefit for over 7 million people and he said, how is that being on their side, she is not. Watching now, she's doing about as well as she did as Home Secretary, utter shit. " That is right, she aint doing good as a leader there. | |||
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"She is getting destroyed on the neil interview on bbc1 lol.She cant say where the extra millions will come to the nhs from.She cant explain why she have taken away benefit for over 7 million people and he said, how is that being on their side, she is not. Watching now, she's doing about as well as she did as Home Secretary, utter shit. That is right, she aint doing good as a leader there." She was incompetent when she got the job, she is incompetent now. Shame the opposition is too. | |||
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"She is getting destroyed on the neil interview on bbc1 lol.She cant say where the extra millions will come to the nhs from. Hmmm it's almost as if the country has run out of money and none of the parties can credibly promise anymore from the money treeThat is right, it seems like that, even tho we are the 5th largest economy. I can see britain be like greece and with poverty. " Or she won't admit how. More tax more VAT etc. | |||
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"She is getting destroyed on the neil interview on bbc1 lol.She cant say where the extra millions will come to the nhs from. Hmmm it's almost as if the country has run out of money and none of the parties can credibly promise anymore from the money treeThat is right, it seems like that, even tho we are the 5th largest economy. I can see britain be like greece and with poverty. It's kind of funny that if we can't fund the NHS then how are we going to fund the interest debt given they are similar figures and the later is growing whether we like it or not. " That is right as it will be hard to fund it and as well record number of eu nhs worker is going home, so it will be hard to find skilled british workers, yeah it will be very hard to pay of the debt as it is growing more and more. | |||
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"She is getting destroyed on the neil interview on bbc1 lol.She cant say where the extra millions will come to the nhs from.She cant explain why she have taken away benefit for over 7 million people and he said, how is that being on their side, she is not. Watching now, she's doing about as well as she did as Home Secretary, utter shit. That is right, she aint doing good as a leader there. She was incompetent when she got the job, she is incompetent now. Shame the opposition is too. " That is right she was and it was a undemocratic way of getting it as the people did not vote for her. | |||
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"She is getting destroyed on the neil interview on bbc1 lol.She cant say where the extra millions will come to the nhs from. Hmmm it's almost as if the country has run out of money and none of the parties can credibly promise anymore from the money treeThat is right, it seems like that, even tho we are the 5th largest economy. I can see britain be like greece and with poverty. Or she won't admit how. More tax more VAT etc. " Yes and increase that as well | |||
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"Or she won't admit how. More tax more VAT etc. " Hammond said he will not be raising NI, if they win that's the first tax they will raise if they are true to form. | |||
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"She is getting destroyed on the neil interview on bbc1 lol." have to agree with shags.... that was not a good interview... she looked rattled from the start and it got no better.. people are going to pick at the fact that a shed load of the major policies are uncosted... and that is going to get up being the weakness..... uncost the original policy.. the uncost the u turn.... today has definately not been a good day on the election trail for the conservatives... and the labour party have done something very smart and just stand aside and let them double speak their way in and out of positions be interesting to see what headlines there are in right wing media tonight/tomorrow... | |||
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"She is getting destroyed on the neil interview on bbc1 lol. have to agree with shags.... that was not a good interview... she looked rattled from the start and it got no better.. people are going to pick at the fact that a shed load of the major policies are uncosted... and that is going to get up being the weakness..... uncost the original policy.. the uncost the u turn.... today has definately not been a good day on the election trail for the conservatives... and the labour party have done something very smart and just stand aside and let them double speak their way in and out of positions be interesting to see what headlines there are in right wing media tonight/tomorrow..." Psychology 101 - never say "i believe i have a good manifesto". The "i believe" is adding an unnecessary condition that casts doubt on the statement. Just say "i have a good manifesto". She fucked up from question 1. | |||
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"She is getting destroyed on the neil interview on bbc1 lol. have to agree with shags.... that was not a good interview... she looked rattled from the start and it got no better.. people are going to pick at the fact that a shed load of the major policies are uncosted... and that is going to get up being the weakness..... uncost the original policy.. the uncost the u turn.... today has definately not been a good day on the election trail for the conservatives... and the labour party have done something very smart and just stand aside and let them double speak their way in and out of positions be interesting to see what headlines there are in right wing media tonight/tomorrow... Psychology 101 - never say "i believe i have a good manifesto". The "i believe" is adding an unnecessary condition that casts doubt on the statement. Just say "i have a good manifesto". She fucked up from question 1. " i believe is just saying its not fact. here it all the time in the news, just negates the whole story | |||
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"She is getting destroyed on the neil interview on bbc1 lol. have to agree with shags.... that was not a good interview... she looked rattled from the start and it got no better.. people are going to pick at the fact that a shed load of the major policies are uncosted... and that is going to get up being the weakness..... uncost the original policy.. the uncost the u turn.... today has definately not been a good day on the election trail for the conservatives... and the labour party have done something very smart and just stand aside and let them double speak their way in and out of positions be interesting to see what headlines there are in right wing media tonight/tomorrow... Psychology 101 - never say "i believe i have a good manifesto". The "i believe" is adding an unnecessary condition that casts doubt on the statement. Just say "i have a good manifesto". She fucked up from question 1. " | |||
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"She is getting destroyed on the neil interview on bbc1 lol. have to agree with shags.... that was not a good interview... she looked rattled from the start and it got no better.. people are going to pick at the fact that a shed load of the major policies are uncosted... and that is going to get up being the weakness..... uncost the original policy.. the uncost the u turn.... today has definately not been a good day on the election trail for the conservatives... and the labour party have done something very smart and just stand aside and let them double speak their way in and out of positions be interesting to see what headlines there are in right wing media tonight/tomorrow... Psychology 101 - never say "i believe i have a good manifesto". The "i believe" is adding an unnecessary condition that casts doubt on the statement. Just say "i have a good manifesto". She fucked up from question 1. i believe is just saying its not fact. here it all the time in the news, just negates the whole story" The minute you hear the word 'fairness' you also know they are talking bollucks | |||
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"Oh goodness, if it's not corbyn refusing the condemn the IRA it's May who can't answer a straight forward question about thr NHS. What a bunch of morons. " Really? Corbyn and the IRA again! How about Tory councillor Maria Gatland of Croydon, South London. She was known as Maria McGuire, a member of the Provisional IRA and lover of one of it’s leaders David O’Connell. She even wrote a book that detailed her life in the group in called 'To Take Arms: My Year With The IRA Provisionals'. And the Tories have know about her past since 2008! And by the way Corbyn never refused to condemn the IRA! That story comes from a CCHQ tweet that was a total lie. | |||
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"Oh goodness, if it's not corbyn refusing the condemn the IRA it's May who can't answer a straight forward question about thr NHS. What a bunch of morons. Really? Corbyn and the IRA again! How about Tory councillor Maria Gatland of Croydon, South London. She was known as Maria McGuire, a member of the Provisional IRA and lover of one of it’s leaders David O’Connell. She even wrote a book that detailed her life in the group in called 'To Take Arms: My Year With The IRA Provisionals'. And the Tories have know about her past since 2008! And by the way Corbyn never refused to condemn the IRA! That story comes from a CCHQ tweet that was a total lie." Er no it came from a sky news interview yesterday which i listened to in full. He refused to condemn the IRA directly although he was happy to condemn the mistakes British troops made in northern ireland. It's not exactly the first time he's been in trouble for being overly friendly with terrorists either. Tory councillor doesn't equate to Labour leader in status. | |||
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"Oh goodness, if it's not corbyn refusing the condemn the IRA it's May who can't answer a straight forward question about thr NHS. What a bunch of morons. Really? Corbyn and the IRA again! How about Tory councillor Maria Gatland of Croydon, South London. She was known as Maria McGuire, a member of the Provisional IRA and lover of one of it’s leaders David O’Connell. She even wrote a book that detailed her life in the group in called 'To Take Arms: My Year With The IRA Provisionals'. And the Tories have know about her past since 2008! And by the way Corbyn never refused to condemn the IRA! That story comes from a CCHQ tweet that was a total lie." exactly and too late too, too many people have seen it, cant unsee it. total spin and lies all the way with the toriea | |||
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"Oh goodness, if it's not corbyn refusing the condemn the IRA it's May who can't answer a straight forward question about thr NHS. What a bunch of morons. Really? Corbyn and the IRA again! How about Tory councillor Maria Gatland of Croydon, South London. She was known as Maria McGuire, a member of the Provisional IRA and lover of one of it’s leaders David O’Connell. She even wrote a book that detailed her life in the group in called 'To Take Arms: My Year With The IRA Provisionals'. And the Tories have know about her past since 2008! And by the way Corbyn never refused to condemn the IRA! That story comes from a CCHQ tweet that was a total lie. exactly and too late too, too many people have seen it, cant unsee it. total spin and lies all the way with the toriea" Its on YouTube for everyone to see, nothing to do with spin at all. Not everything is a rightwing conspiracy. | |||
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"Unfortunately I think the conservatives will win the election I'm amazed people actually back them hopefully people will see sense a vote Corbyn. " Vote lib dem and legalise that 420 bro | |||
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"Oh goodness, if it's not corbyn refusing the condemn the IRA it's May who can't answer a straight forward question about thr NHS. What a bunch of morons. Really? Corbyn and the IRA again! How about Tory councillor Maria Gatland of Croydon, South London. She was known as Maria McGuire, a member of the Provisional IRA and lover of one of it’s leaders David O’Connell. She even wrote a book that detailed her life in the group in called 'To Take Arms: My Year With The IRA Provisionals'. And the Tories have know about her past since 2008! And by the way Corbyn never refused to condemn the IRA! That story comes from a CCHQ tweet that was a total lie. exactly and too late too, too many people have seen it, cant unsee it. total spin and lies all the way with the toriea Its on YouTube for everyone to see, nothing to do with spin at all. Not everything is a rightwing conspiracy. " talking about media spin on the ira story not whether condem or not, ireland is a touchy subject for all. many atrocities by english too. was very dirty. everyone was in talks at some stage. he wanted peace end of. saw whrn thry were trying to link him with article in a magazine trying so hard just to find a piece of dirt. but thry failed | |||
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"Oh goodness, if it's not corbyn refusing the condemn the IRA it's May who can't answer a straight forward question about thr NHS. What a bunch of morons. Really? Corbyn and the IRA again! How about Tory councillor Maria Gatland of Croydon, South London. She was known as Maria McGuire, a member of the Provisional IRA and lover of one of it’s leaders David O’Connell. She even wrote a book that detailed her life in the group in called 'To Take Arms: My Year With The IRA Provisionals'. And the Tories have know about her past since 2008! And by the way Corbyn never refused to condemn the IRA! That story comes from a CCHQ tweet that was a total lie. Er no it came from a sky news interview yesterday which i listened to in full. He refused to condemn the IRA directly although he was happy to condemn the mistakes British troops made in northern ireland. It's not exactly the first time he's been in trouble for being overly friendly with terrorists either. Tory councillor doesn't equate to Labour leader in status. " I think I saw the same interview as you. He condemned the bombings from all parties. He condemns all human rights violations. Also saw sky news reporter fail to smear him about an editorial. I think you're seeing him as you want to see him. You did watch the original? | |||
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"Oh goodness, if it's not corbyn refusing the condemn the IRA it's May who can't answer a straight forward question about thr NHS. What a bunch of morons. Really? Corbyn and the IRA again! How about Tory councillor Maria Gatland of Croydon, South London. She was known as Maria McGuire, a member of the Provisional IRA and lover of one of it’s leaders David O’Connell. She even wrote a book that detailed her life in the group in called 'To Take Arms: My Year With The IRA Provisionals'. And the Tories have know about her past since 2008! And by the way Corbyn never refused to condemn the IRA! That story comes from a CCHQ tweet that was a total lie. exactly and too late too, too many people have seen it, cant unsee it. total spin and lies all the way with the toriea Its on YouTube for everyone to see, nothing to do with spin at all. Not everything is a rightwing conspiracy. talking about media spin on the ira story not whether condem or not, ireland is a touchy subject for all. many atrocities by english too. was very dirty. everyone was in talks at some stage. he wanted peace end of. saw whrn thry were trying to link him with article in a magazine trying so hard just to find a piece of dirt. but thry failed" Yeah Sophie Ridge fail. They're smearing a person and not the policies. Like we say here in the political forum, it's a low when you turn to personal insults and avoid the topic to debate. | |||
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"Oh goodness, if it's not corbyn refusing the condemn the IRA it's May who can't answer a straight forward question about thr NHS. What a bunch of morons. Really? Corbyn and the IRA again! How about Tory councillor Maria Gatland of Croydon, South London. She was known as Maria McGuire, a member of the Provisional IRA and lover of one of it’s leaders David O’Connell. She even wrote a book that detailed her life in the group in called 'To Take Arms: My Year With The IRA Provisionals'. And the Tories have know about her past since 2008! And by the way Corbyn never refused to condemn the IRA! That story comes from a CCHQ tweet that was a total lie. Er no it came from a sky news interview yesterday which i listened to in full. He refused to condemn the IRA directly although he was happy to condemn the mistakes British troops made in northern ireland. It's not exactly the first time he's been in trouble for being overly friendly with terrorists either. Tory councillor doesn't equate to Labour leader in status. I think I saw the same interview as you. He condemned the bombings from all parties. He condemns all human rights violations. Also saw sky news reporter fail to smear him about an editorial. I think you're seeing him as you want to see him. You did watch the original?" prob sky news edited version | |||
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" Er no it came from a sky news interview yesterday which i listened to in full. He refused to condemn the IRA directly although he was happy to condemn the mistakes British troops made in northern ireland. It's not exactly the first time he's been in trouble for being overly friendly with terrorists either. Tory councillor doesn't equate to Labour leader in status. " Here is a link that will show you exactly where the story originated, CCHQ Press Office! It is a screenshot of the tory tweet there is also a screenshot of what was really said. Unsurprisingly the two are not the same. I do note with interest that you have problems with JC because you have been told by a Murdoch propaganda mouthpiece he didn't say something but have no problem with a former provo being a tory councillor. | |||
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"Oh goodness, if it's not corbyn refusing the condemn the IRA it's May who can't answer a straight forward question about thr NHS. What a bunch of morons. Really? Corbyn and the IRA again! How about Tory councillor Maria Gatland of Croydon, South London. She was known as Maria McGuire, a member of the Provisional IRA and lover of one of it’s leaders David O’Connell. She even wrote a book that detailed her life in the group in called 'To Take Arms: My Year With The IRA Provisionals'. And the Tories have know about her past since 2008! And by the way Corbyn never refused to condemn the IRA! That story comes from a CCHQ tweet that was a total lie. exactly and too late too, too many people have seen it, cant unsee it. total spin and lies all the way with the toriea Its on YouTube for everyone to see, nothing to do with spin at all. Not everything is a rightwing conspiracy. talking about media spin on the ira story not whether condem or not, ireland is a touchy subject for all. many atrocities by english too. was very dirty. everyone was in talks at some stage. he wanted peace end of. saw whrn thry were trying to link him with article in a magazine trying so hard just to find a piece of dirt. but thry failed" It would be easier to go along with that if he hadn't already said "i condemn what was done by the British Army" in another interview. He could have said i condemn the violence against innocents by the british army and the IRA... but he didn't. | |||
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"Oh goodness, if it's not corbyn refusing the condemn the IRA it's May who can't answer a straight forward question about thr NHS. What a bunch of morons. Really? Corbyn and the IRA again! How about Tory councillor Maria Gatland of Croydon, South London. She was known as Maria McGuire, a member of the Provisional IRA and lover of one of it’s leaders David O’Connell. She even wrote a book that detailed her life in the group in called 'To Take Arms: My Year With The IRA Provisionals'. And the Tories have know about her past since 2008! And by the way Corbyn never refused to condemn the IRA! That story comes from a CCHQ tweet that was a total lie. Er no it came from a sky news interview yesterday which i listened to in full. He refused to condemn the IRA directly although he was happy to condemn the mistakes British troops made in northern ireland. It's not exactly the first time he's been in trouble for being overly friendly with terrorists either. Tory councillor doesn't equate to Labour leader in status. I think I saw the same interview as you. He condemned the bombings from all parties. He condemns all human rights violations. Also saw sky news reporter fail to smear him about an editorial. I think you're seeing him as you want to see him. You did watch the original?" prob sky news edited version | |||
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"Oh goodness, if it's not corbyn refusing the condemn the IRA it's May who can't answer a straight forward question about thr NHS. What a bunch of morons. Really? Corbyn and the IRA again! How about Tory councillor Maria Gatland of Croydon, South London. She was known as Maria McGuire, a member of the Provisional IRA and lover of one of it’s leaders David O’Connell. She even wrote a book that detailed her life in the group in called 'To Take Arms: My Year With The IRA Provisionals'. And the Tories have know about her past since 2008! And by the way Corbyn never refused to condemn the IRA! That story comes from a CCHQ tweet that was a total lie. Er no it came from a sky news interview yesterday which i listened to in full. He refused to condemn the IRA directly although he was happy to condemn the mistakes British troops made in northern ireland. It's not exactly the first time he's been in trouble for being overly friendly with terrorists either. Tory councillor doesn't equate to Labour leader in status. I think I saw the same interview as you. He condemned the bombings from all parties. He condemns all human rights violations. Also saw sky news reporter fail to smear him about an editorial. I think you're seeing him as you want to see him. You did watch the original?" That's just him repeating a version of the Tony Benn line "there is no moral difference between a stealth bomber and a suicide bomber". Errr yes there is, one is legimate force, the other isn't. | |||
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" Er no it came from a sky news interview yesterday which i listened to in full. He refused to condemn the IRA directly although he was happy to condemn the mistakes British troops made in northern ireland. It's not exactly the first time he's been in trouble for being overly friendly with terrorists either. Tory councillor doesn't equate to Labour leader in status. Here is a link that will show you exactly where the story originated, CCHQ Press Office! It is a screenshot of the tory tweet there is also a screenshot of what was really said. Unsurprisingly the two are not the same. I do note with interest that you have problems with JC because you have been told by a Murdoch propaganda mouthpiece he didn't say something but have no problem with a former provo being a tory councillor." I didn't even know about the tweet, I'm talking about a sky news interview. | |||
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"I didn't even know about the tweet, I'm talking about a sky news interview. " Which was predicated on that tweet! do try and keep up. | |||
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" Er no it came from a sky news interview yesterday which i listened to in full. He refused to condemn the IRA directly although he was happy to condemn the mistakes British troops made in northern ireland. It's not exactly the first time he's been in trouble for being overly friendly with terrorists either. Tory councillor doesn't equate to Labour leader in status. Here is a link that will show you exactly where the story originated, CCHQ Press Office! It is a screenshot of the tory tweet there is also a screenshot of what was really said. Unsurprisingly the two are not the same. I do note with interest that you have problems with JC because you have been told by a Murdoch propaganda mouthpiece he didn't say something but have no problem with a former provo being a tory councillor. I didn't even know about the tweet, I'm talking about a sky news interview. " the tweet is the spin your spinning | |||
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"I didn't even know about the tweet, I'm talking about a sky news interview. Which was predicated on that tweet! do try and keep up. "He was asked exactly the same question in 2015 by stephen nolan and gave the same answers. The tweet is irrelevant. He does explicitly condemn the british army but not explicitly the IRA. Those are facts, read the transcript. No media spin needed. | |||
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" Er no it came from a sky news interview yesterday which i listened to in full. He refused to condemn the IRA directly although he was happy to condemn the mistakes British troops made in northern ireland. It's not exactly the first time he's been in trouble for being overly friendly with terrorists either. Tory councillor doesn't equate to Labour leader in status. Here is a link that will show you exactly where the story originated, CCHQ Press Office! It is a screenshot of the tory tweet there is also a screenshot of what was really said. Unsurprisingly the two are not the same. I do note with interest that you have problems with JC because you have been told by a Murdoch propaganda mouthpiece he didn't say something but have no problem with a former provo being a tory councillor. I didn't even know about the tweet, I'm talking about a sky news interview. " Just read the sky news article and they quote JC... "I condemn all the bombing by both the loyalists and the IRA." So I think you didn't listen to the full interview. | |||
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"I didn't even know about the tweet, I'm talking about a sky news interview. Which was predicated on that tweet! do try and keep up.
He was asked exactly the same question in 2015 by stephen nolan and gave the same answers. The tweet is irrelevant. He does explicitly condemn the british army but not explicitly the IRA. Those are facts, read the transcript. No media spin needed. "See above. There was a media spin. Even the BBC had to retract an article because they edited an interview so the answer he gave to one question was shown with a different question. | |||
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" Er no it came from a sky news interview yesterday which i listened to in full. He refused to condemn the IRA directly although he was happy to condemn the mistakes British troops made in northern ireland. It's not exactly the first time he's been in trouble for being overly friendly with terrorists either. Tory councillor doesn't equate to Labour leader in status. Here is a link that will show you exactly where the story originated, CCHQ Press Office! It is a screenshot of the tory tweet there is also a screenshot of what was really said. Unsurprisingly the two are not the same. I do note with interest that you have problems with JC because you have been told by a Murdoch propaganda mouthpiece he didn't say something but have no problem with a former provo being a tory councillor. I didn't even know about the tweet, I'm talking about a sky news interview. Just read the sky news article and they quote JC... "I condemn all the bombing by both the loyalists and the IRA." So I think you didn't listen to the full interview. " Fair point, i don't know why he gave such terrible answers to the 5 questions he was asked on it then. You're right but my goodness that man needs some media training. | |||
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" Er no it came from a sky news interview yesterday which i listened to in full. He refused to condemn the IRA directly although he was happy to condemn the mistakes British troops made in northern ireland. It's not exactly the first time he's been in trouble for being overly friendly with terrorists either. Tory councillor doesn't equate to Labour leader in status. Here is a link that will show you exactly where the story originated, CCHQ Press Office! It is a screenshot of the tory tweet there is also a screenshot of what was really said. Unsurprisingly the two are not the same. I do note with interest that you have problems with JC because you have been told by a Murdoch propaganda mouthpiece he didn't say something but have no problem with a former provo being a tory councillor. I didn't even know about the tweet, I'm talking about a sky news interview. Just read the sky news article and they quote JC... "I condemn all the bombing by both the loyalists and the IRA." So I think you didn't listen to the full interview. Fair point, i don't know why he gave such terrible answers to the 5 questions he was asked on it then. You're right but my goodness that man needs some media training. " i expect farron to come out waving in ballamory | |||
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" Er no it came from a sky news interview yesterday which i listened to in full. He refused to condemn the IRA directly although he was happy to condemn the mistakes British troops made in northern ireland. It's not exactly the first time he's been in trouble for being overly friendly with terrorists either. Tory councillor doesn't equate to Labour leader in status. Here is a link that will show you exactly where the story originated, CCHQ Press Office! It is a screenshot of the tory tweet there is also a screenshot of what was really said. Unsurprisingly the two are not the same. I do note with interest that you have problems with JC because you have been told by a Murdoch propaganda mouthpiece he didn't say something but have no problem with a former provo being a tory councillor. I didn't even know about the tweet, I'm talking about a sky news interview. Just read the sky news article and they quote JC... "I condemn all the bombing by both the loyalists and the IRA." So I think you didn't listen to the full interview. Fair point, i don't know why he gave such terrible answers to the 5 questions he was asked on it then. You're right but my goodness that man needs some media training. i expect farron to come out waving in ballamory" Seriously though, anyone who has done a 1 day training course on media handling knows this trick. How is it possible the leader of the labour party walks into them so often? PS: there's still the 2015 interview where he refused to condemn them so i guess it's another thing he changed his mind on when he got a position with serious responsibility | |||
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" Er no it came from a sky news interview yesterday which i listened to in full. He refused to condemn the IRA directly although he was happy to condemn the mistakes British troops made in northern ireland. It's not exactly the first time he's been in trouble for being overly friendly with terrorists either. Tory councillor doesn't equate to Labour leader in status. Here is a link that will show you exactly where the story originated, CCHQ Press Office! It is a screenshot of the tory tweet there is also a screenshot of what was really said. Unsurprisingly the two are not the same. I do note with interest that you have problems with JC because you have been told by a Murdoch propaganda mouthpiece he didn't say something but have no problem with a former provo being a tory councillor. I didn't even know about the tweet, I'm talking about a sky news interview. Just read the sky news article and they quote JC... "I condemn all the bombing by both the loyalists and the IRA." So I think you didn't listen to the full interview. Fair point, i don't know why he gave such terrible answers to the 5 questions he was asked on it then. You're right but my goodness that man needs some media training. i expect farron to come out waving in ballamory Seriously though, anyone who has done a 1 day training course on media handling knows this trick. How is it possible the leader of the labour party walks into them so often? PS: there's still the 2015 interview where he refused to condemn them so i guess it's another thing he changed his mind on when he got a position with serious responsibility" have no idea why ur having to dig every last bit of anything you csn thibk of to not believe in corbyn, if you want to compare facts etc look at voting record and compare Mays and corbyns. thats the heart of the matter. | |||
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" Er no it came from a sky news interview yesterday which i listened to in full. He refused to condemn the IRA directly although he was happy to condemn the mistakes British troops made in northern ireland. It's not exactly the first time he's been in trouble for being overly friendly with terrorists either. Tory councillor doesn't equate to Labour leader in status. Here is a link that will show you exactly where the story originated, CCHQ Press Office! It is a screenshot of the tory tweet there is also a screenshot of what was really said. Unsurprisingly the two are not the same. I do note with interest that you have problems with JC because you have been told by a Murdoch propaganda mouthpiece he didn't say something but have no problem with a former provo being a tory councillor. I didn't even know about the tweet, I'm talking about a sky news interview. Just read the sky news article and they quote JC... "I condemn all the bombing by both the loyalists and the IRA." So I think you didn't listen to the full interview. Fair point, i don't know why he gave such terrible answers to the 5 questions he was asked on it then. You're right but my goodness that man needs some media training. " I agree. But the media has not been on his side. Some data released saying the Mirror writes positive articles about Labour. Independent very little and everyone but the Mirror writes a lot if negative. | |||
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" Er no it came from a sky news interview yesterday which i listened to in full. He refused to condemn the IRA directly although he was happy to condemn the mistakes British troops made in northern ireland. It's not exactly the first time he's been in trouble for being overly friendly with terrorists either. Tory councillor doesn't equate to Labour leader in status. Here is a link that will show you exactly where the story originated, CCHQ Press Office! It is a screenshot of the tory tweet there is also a screenshot of what was really said. Unsurprisingly the two are not the same. I do note with interest that you have problems with JC because you have been told by a Murdoch propaganda mouthpiece he didn't say something but have no problem with a former provo being a tory councillor. I didn't even know about the tweet, I'm talking about a sky news interview. Just read the sky news article and they quote JC... "I condemn all the bombing by both the loyalists and the IRA." So I think you didn't listen to the full interview. Fair point, i don't know why he gave such terrible answers to the 5 questions he was asked on it then. You're right but my goodness that man needs some media training. I agree. But the media has not been on his side. Some data released saying the Mirror writes positive articles about Labour. Independent very little and everyone but the Mirror writes a lot if negative." The Indy seem to think that the election coverage rules are making a difference in redressing the bias. | |||
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" Er no it came from a sky news interview yesterday which i listened to in full. He refused to condemn the IRA directly although he was happy to condemn the mistakes British troops made in northern ireland. It's not exactly the first time he's been in trouble for being overly friendly with terrorists either. Tory councillor doesn't equate to Labour leader in status. Here is a link that will show you exactly where the story originated, CCHQ Press Office! It is a screenshot of the tory tweet there is also a screenshot of what was really said. Unsurprisingly the two are not the same. I do note with interest that you have problems with JC because you have been told by a Murdoch propaganda mouthpiece he didn't say something but have no problem with a former provo being a tory councillor. I didn't even know about the tweet, I'm talking about a sky news interview. Just read the sky news article and they quote JC... "I condemn all the bombing by both the loyalists and the IRA." So I think you didn't listen to the full interview. Fair point, i don't know why he gave such terrible answers to the 5 questions he was asked on it then. You're right but my goodness that man needs some media training. i expect farron to come out waving in ballamory Seriously though, anyone who has done a 1 day training course on media handling knows this trick. How is it possible the leader of the labour party walks into them so often? PS: there's still the 2015 interview where he refused to condemn them so i guess it's another thing he changed his mind on when he got a position with serious responsibility have no idea why ur having to dig every last bit of anything you csn thibk of to not believe in corbyn, if you want to compare facts etc look at voting record and compare Mays and corbyns. thats the heart of the matter. " If you look at the facts there's nothing to suggest he can afford his manifesto other than his word. I don't want a marxist in charge either for exactlty the same reasons a self confessed facist is unthinkable. The terms are equally abhorrent with any proper reading of history. | |||
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" Er no it came from a sky news interview yesterday which i listened to in full. He refused to condemn the IRA directly although he was happy to condemn the mistakes British troops made in northern ireland. It's not exactly the first time he's been in trouble for being overly friendly with terrorists either. Tory councillor doesn't equate to Labour leader in status. Here is a link that will show you exactly where the story originated, CCHQ Press Office! It is a screenshot of the tory tweet there is also a screenshot of what was really said. Unsurprisingly the two are not the same. I do note with interest that you have problems with JC because you have been told by a Murdoch propaganda mouthpiece he didn't say something but have no problem with a former provo being a tory councillor. I didn't even know about the tweet, I'm talking about a sky news interview. Just read the sky news article and they quote JC... "I condemn all the bombing by both the loyalists and the IRA." So I think you didn't listen to the full interview. Fair point, i don't know why he gave such terrible answers to the 5 questions he was asked on it then. You're right but my goodness that man needs some media training. i expect farron to come out waving in ballamory Seriously though, anyone who has done a 1 day training course on media handling knows this trick. How is it possible the leader of the labour party walks into them so often? PS: there's still the 2015 interview where he refused to condemn them so i guess it's another thing he changed his mind on when he got a position with serious responsibility have no idea why ur having to dig every last bit of anything you csn thibk of to not believe in corbyn, if you want to compare facts etc look at voting record and compare Mays and corbyns. thats the heart of the matter. If you look at the facts there's nothing to suggest he can afford his manifesto other than his word. I don't want a marxist in charge either for exactlty the same reasons a self confessed facist is unthinkable. The terms are equally abhorrent with any proper reading of history. " its been cost checked by 5 independant accountants or whatever theyre called and it is totally doable | |||
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" Er no it came from a sky news interview yesterday which i listened to in full. He refused to condemn the IRA directly although he was happy to condemn the mistakes British troops made in northern ireland. It's not exactly the first time he's been in trouble for being overly friendly with terrorists either. Tory councillor doesn't equate to Labour leader in status. Here is a link that will show you exactly where the story originated, CCHQ Press Office! It is a screenshot of the tory tweet there is also a screenshot of what was really said. Unsurprisingly the two are not the same. I do note with interest that you have problems with JC because you have been told by a Murdoch propaganda mouthpiece he didn't say something but have no problem with a former provo being a tory councillor. I didn't even know about the tweet, I'm talking about a sky news interview. Just read the sky news article and they quote JC... "I condemn all the bombing by both the loyalists and the IRA." So I think you didn't listen to the full interview. Fair point, i don't know why he gave such terrible answers to the 5 questions he was asked on it then. You're right but my goodness that man needs some media training. i expect farron to come out waving in ballamory Seriously though, anyone who has done a 1 day training course on media handling knows this trick. How is it possible the leader of the labour party walks into them so often? PS: there's still the 2015 interview where he refused to condemn them so i guess it's another thing he changed his mind on when he got a position with serious responsibility have no idea why ur having to dig every last bit of anything you csn thibk of to not believe in corbyn, if you want to compare facts etc look at voting record and compare Mays and corbyns. thats the heart of the matter. If you look at the facts there's nothing to suggest he can afford his manifesto other than his word. I don't want a marxist in charge either for exactlty the same reasons a self confessed facist is unthinkable. The terms are equally abhorrent with any proper reading of history. its been cost checked by 5 independant accountants or whatever theyre called and it is totally doable " The accountants just confirm that it's theoretically possible, not that it's probable. There is no period in UK peacetime history when that level of tax has been successfully collected. The tax to GDP ratio is already high and you lefties already whinge about all the tax avoidance that goes on. I see no reason to believe he can change that, labour promised the same thing in 1997. | |||
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" have no idea why ur having to dig every last bit of anything you csn thibk of to not believe in corbyn, if you want to compare facts etc look at voting record and compare Mays and corbyns. thats the heart of the matter. " Don't you get it, your talking to a true blue tory... JC is a Red therefore he is wrong no matter what he says or does. Maria Gatland is a tory so nothing to see there. She is on record as saying "the only good soldier is a dead soldier" but she is a tory councillor so nothing wrong with that. She even profits from the royalties she earns from her book about her time in the provos, but that only shows what a perfect tory she is, using her life experiences to create wealth...
Sorry I really should not be laughing, but it is typical of the tories 7 years and not a single target hit, but its not their fault the first 5 years were the fault of the lib dems. Brexit was the fault of the EU and no deal is better than a bad deal. tories are strong and stable JC and Labour are untrustworthy. Don't examine our record in government there has been no incompetence, the NHS is fine, social care is fine, the super rich are doing fine so lets concentrate on JC he is weak he supports the IRA...
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"As much as some like to think ukip voters were all about imagration and they will now follow Teresa mays every move, in my part of the world they are old socialist labour voters that wanted the best for the nhs, the schools and other sectors that couldn't cope with the influx of migration,, and now all are looking at a socialist labour leader with good policies on all of the above, safe in the knowledge that brexit will happen whoever wins, the old socialists are retuning in droves!! One more mistake Teresa may has made "That may be true in South Wales but it's not the picture I'm seeing in the North West and North Wales. The consensus up here from party hacks from the old three parties is not whether Labour is going to do badly but just how badly is Labour going to do. It's not currently looking too good for the LibDems either. | |||
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