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"The second post on this thread. Lol." gone from the story having no legs to the story having more legs than a football team of centipedes 
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"are you predicting it'll end up as rats on a ship that's going down like a ten dollar whore?" interesting analogy.. 
most of the Republicans didn't want him so will shed no tears if he goes before 2020 and suppose they still have Pence.. 
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"I was watching All In with Chris Hayes a few days ago. A guest of his warned that Comey's firing was not the end of the story. He reminded everyone that during the Bush scandal with the torture memos Comey, then working in the Attorney General's office, had taken meticulous notes and written them in memos and emails so that there were contemporaneous writing about questionably illegal conversations and activities. Then, a few days after that episode, we find out that Comey had recorded, in contemporaneous writings (in the form of memos), possibly illegal requests by the president regarding his investigations into Mike Flynn. Comey has shown in the past that he is very careful with his records - something I would expect of any good lawyer, and even more so someone in his position in the FBI and formerly the DOJ. Then I looked again at Trump's tweet where he threatened Comey with tapes - "James Comey better hope that there are no "tapes" of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!" The key part being "before he starts leaking to the press." Not only did Trump do things that were leak-worthy, he did them knowing they were wrong and possibly illegal, hence why he thought there would be leaks from Comey at all. I think that Comey's firing was out of anger by Trump that he didn't have his loyalty. It was timed to coincide with, and overshadow, Sally Yates' testimony regarding the Russia Investigation. But I think it turned out to be taken more seriously than Trump thought it would and it might just be the straw that broke the camel's back. Time will tell..." He keeps trying to overshadow every scandal with something more distracting. Problem is he keeps having to come up with more outrageous things each time to cover the last outrageous thing he did! -Matt | |||
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"Too many senior Republicans looking the other way and hoping its just part of the settling in process, looks like when Trump moved in he brought some baggage with him .. the longer it goes on and the closer it gets to the mid terms then the weaker and more indecisive they will look which may prompt some self preservation back bone growth.. " fiddy pence .... gangster mofo ... is he more worrying or will he be a gerald ford? | |||
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"Congressman Justin Amash has become the first Republican in Congress to say that if the allegations about Trump and Mike Flynn are true, it would be an impeachable offense..." this rolling stone may well gather some moss | |||
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"Congressman Justin Amash has become the first Republican in Congress to say that if the allegations about Trump and Mike Flynn are true, it would be an impeachable offense... this rolling stone may well gather some moss" And grow legs too  | |||
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"he won't get to 2020 because there are mid terms in 2018..... all the dems would have to do is flip 24 congressional seats... and the house goes to them!! interesting stat for you... number of republicans currently sitting in congressional seats that went more than 60-40 for clinton in the election... 23! so with trump making a balls up of everything... plus the republicans trying to repeal the ACA.... i think a lot of moderate republicans may think of bailing on trump a lot sooner...." I honestly don't get why they are even staying with Trump. If they got rid of him they would have Pence, they would be able to move forward with their agenda, and they would be able to say to their constituents that they put their conservative agenda above the ego of one man. I don't get why they are so loyal to a many who is loyal to no one.  | |||
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"he won't get to 2020 because there are mid terms in 2018..... all the dems would have to do is flip 24 congressional seats... and the house goes to them!! interesting stat for you... number of republicans currently sitting in congressional seats that went more than 60-40 for clinton in the election... 23! so with trump making a balls up of everything... plus the republicans trying to repeal the ACA.... i think a lot of moderate republicans may think of bailing on trump a lot sooner.... I honestly don't get why they are even staying with Trump. If they got rid of him they would have Pence, they would be able to move forward with their agenda, and they would be able to say to their constituents that they put their conservative agenda above the ego of one man. I don't get why they are so loyal to a many who is loyal to no one. "They dont want to piss off the Trump voters who are mostly republican. If they lose even a small fraction of those voters they'd get wiped out. To remove Trump from office Democrats would also need the Senate and they would need massive gains to flip that. | |||
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"he won't get to 2020 because there are mid terms in 2018..... all the dems would have to do is flip 24 congressional seats... and the house goes to them!! interesting stat for you... number of republicans currently sitting in congressional seats that went more than 60-40 for clinton in the election... 23! so with trump making a balls up of everything... plus the republicans trying to repeal the ACA.... i think a lot of moderate republicans may think of bailing on trump a lot sooner.... I honestly don't get why they are even staying with Trump. If they got rid of him they would have Pence, they would be able to move forward with their agenda, and they would be able to say to their constituents that they put their conservative agenda above the ego of one man. I don't get why they are so loyal to a many who is loyal to no one.
They dont want to piss off the Trump voters who are mostly republican. If they lose even a small fraction of those voters they'd get wiped out.
To remove Trump from office Democrats would also need the Senate and they would need massive gains to flip that."Eh, I still don't get it. Congressional seats have been gerrymandered beyond belief. And they are so local I don't really think they have to defend trump to keep their constituents happy. I personally think they are hurting their position with swing voters by sucking Trump's dick at every opportunity. Hard core republicans will vote republican regardless. I have a feeling that his current elected supporters will start to waffle as we get closer to the midterms. They might be able to run away from townhall meetings now, but they can't run away from their own elections. | |||
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"he won't get to 2020 because there are mid terms in 2018..... all the dems would have to do is flip 24 congressional seats... and the house goes to them!! interesting stat for you... number of republicans currently sitting in congressional seats that went more than 60-40 for clinton in the election... 23! so with trump making a balls up of everything... plus the republicans trying to repeal the ACA.... i think a lot of moderate republicans may think of bailing on trump a lot sooner.... I honestly don't get why they are even staying with Trump. If they got rid of him they would have Pence, they would be able to move forward with their agenda, and they would be able to say to their constituents that they put their conservative agenda above the ego of one man. I don't get why they are so loyal to a many who is loyal to no one.
They dont want to piss off the Trump voters who are mostly republican. If they lose even a small fraction of those voters they'd get wiped out.
To remove Trump from office Democrats would also need the Senate and they would need massive gains to flip that.
Eh, I still don't get it. Congressional seats have been gerrymandered beyond belief. And they are so local I don't really think they have to defend trump to keep their constituents happy. I personally think they are hurting their position with swing voters by sucking Trump's dick at every opportunity.
Hard core republicans will vote republican regardless. I have a feeling that his current elected supporters will start to waffle as we get closer to the midterms. They might be able to run away from townhall meetings now, but they can't run away from their own elections. "They dont worry about them flipping to the democrats side or even voting libertarian, they worry that disillusioned voters just wont bother voting. Not all congressional seats are completely gerrymandered, they almost lost a seat in a special election that theyve had for decades (Prices old one). It was just a couple of per cent off going democrat in the first round and still might go in the second. Trumps both the cause of their losses and the reason they're making some gains. If the Republicans lose that seat in June and the opinion polls stay against Trump we might see some movement. | |||
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"he won't get to 2020 because there are mid terms in 2018..... all the dems would have to do is flip 24 congressional seats... and the house goes to them!! interesting stat for you... number of republicans currently sitting in congressional seats that went more than 60-40 for clinton in the election... 23! so with trump making a balls up of everything... plus the republicans trying to repeal the ACA.... i think a lot of moderate republicans may think of bailing on trump a lot sooner.... I honestly don't get why they are even staying with Trump. If they got rid of him they would have Pence, they would be able to move forward with their agenda, and they would be able to say to their constituents that they put their conservative agenda above the ego of one man. I don't get why they are so loyal to a many who is loyal to no one.
They dont want to piss off the Trump voters who are mostly republican. If they lose even a small fraction of those voters they'd get wiped out.
To remove Trump from office Democrats would also need the Senate and they would need massive gains to flip that.
Eh, I still don't get it. Congressional seats have been gerrymandered beyond belief. And they are so local I don't really think they have to defend trump to keep their constituents happy. I personally think they are hurting their position with swing voters by sucking Trump's dick at every opportunity.
Hard core republicans will vote republican regardless. I have a feeling that his current elected supporters will start to waffle as we get closer to the midterms. They might be able to run away from townhall meetings now, but they can't run away from their own elections.
They dont worry about them flipping to the democrats side or even voting libertarian, they worry that disillusioned voters just wont bother voting.
Not all congressional seats are completely gerrymandered, they almost lost a seat in a special election that theyve had for decades (Prices old one). It was just a couple of per cent off going democrat in the first round and still might go in the second.
Trumps both the cause of their losses and the reason they're making some gains. If the Republicans lose that seat in June and the opinion polls stay against Trump we might see some movement."That's my point, though. The seats that aren't completely gerrymandered are waffling already because of Trump. I don't see where he is helping them - only where he's hurting. I doubt a political scandal as big as a Trump impeachment would lower voter turn out. If I were less lazy I'd checked whether voter turn out increased or decreased after Nixon's resignation for comparison. But my gut says it would get more people involved, not less. I think the realization that saviour Trump is as corrupt as every other politician, if not more so, is likely to hurt voter turnout more, and people are already figuring that out.... | |||
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"he won't get to 2020 because there are mid terms in 2018..... all the dems would have to do is flip 24 congressional seats... and the house goes to them!! interesting stat for you... number of republicans currently sitting in congressional seats that went more than 60-40 for clinton in the election... 23! so with trump making a balls up of everything... plus the republicans trying to repeal the ACA.... i think a lot of moderate republicans may think of bailing on trump a lot sooner.... I honestly don't get why they are even staying with Trump. If they got rid of him they would have Pence, they would be able to move forward with their agenda, and they would be able to say to their constituents that they put their conservative agenda above the ego of one man. I don't get why they are so loyal to a many who is loyal to no one.
They dont want to piss off the Trump voters who are mostly republican. If they lose even a small fraction of those voters they'd get wiped out.
To remove Trump from office Democrats would also need the Senate and they would need massive gains to flip that.
Eh, I still don't get it. Congressional seats have been gerrymandered beyond belief. And they are so local I don't really think they have to defend trump to keep their constituents happy. I personally think they are hurting their position with swing voters by sucking Trump's dick at every opportunity.
Hard core republicans will vote republican regardless. I have a feeling that his current elected supporters will start to waffle as we get closer to the midterms. They might be able to run away from townhall meetings now, but they can't run away from their own elections.
They dont worry about them flipping to the democrats side or even voting libertarian, they worry that disillusioned voters just wont bother voting.
Not all congressional seats are completely gerrymandered, they almost lost a seat in a special election that theyve had for decades (Prices old one). It was just a couple of per cent off going democrat in the first round and still might go in the second.
Trumps both the cause of their losses and the reason they're making some gains. If the Republicans lose that seat in June and the opinion polls stay against Trump we might see some movement.
That's my point, though. The seats that aren't completely gerrymandered are waffling already because of Trump. I don't see where he is helping them - only where he's hurting.
I doubt a political scandal as big as a Trump impeachment would lower voter turn out. If I were less lazy I'd checked whether voter turn out increased or decreased after Nixon's resignation for comparison. But my gut says it would get more people involved, not less. I think the realization that saviour Trump is as corrupt as every other politician, if not more so, is likely to hurt voter turnout more, and people are already figuring that out...."After Nixon resigned the democrats increased their seats in both houses. Two thirds majority in the house and the all important 60 seats in the senate (60 seats being enough to break a filibuster) and then they won the presidential election 2 years later with a little known candidate. It was pretty brutal. | |||
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"he won't get to 2020 because there are mid terms in 2018..... all the dems would have to do is flip 24 congressional seats... and the house goes to them!! interesting stat for you... number of republicans currently sitting in congressional seats that went more than 60-40 for clinton in the election... 23! so with trump making a balls up of everything... plus the republicans trying to repeal the ACA.... i think a lot of moderate republicans may think of bailing on trump a lot sooner.... I honestly don't get why they are even staying with Trump. If they got rid of him they would have Pence, they would be able to move forward with their agenda, and they would be able to say to their constituents that they put their conservative agenda above the ego of one man. I don't get why they are so loyal to a many who is loyal to no one.
They dont want to piss off the Trump voters who are mostly republican. If they lose even a small fraction of those voters they'd get wiped out.
To remove Trump from office Democrats would also need the Senate and they would need massive gains to flip that.
Eh, I still don't get it. Congressional seats have been gerrymandered beyond belief. And they are so local I don't really think they have to defend trump to keep their constituents happy. I personally think they are hurting their position with swing voters by sucking Trump's dick at every opportunity.
Hard core republicans will vote republican regardless. I have a feeling that his current elected supporters will start to waffle as we get closer to the midterms. They might be able to run away from townhall meetings now, but they can't run away from their own elections.
They dont worry about them flipping to the democrats side or even voting libertarian, they worry that disillusioned voters just wont bother voting.
Not all congressional seats are completely gerrymandered, they almost lost a seat in a special election that theyve had for decades (Prices old one). It was just a couple of per cent off going democrat in the first round and still might go in the second.
Trumps both the cause of their losses and the reason they're making some gains. If the Republicans lose that seat in June and the opinion polls stay against Trump we might see some movement.
That's my point, though. The seats that aren't completely gerrymandered are waffling already because of Trump. I don't see where he is helping them - only where he's hurting.
I doubt a political scandal as big as a Trump impeachment would lower voter turn out. If I were less lazy I'd checked whether voter turn out increased or decreased after Nixon's resignation for comparison. But my gut says it would get more people involved, not less. I think the realization that saviour Trump is as corrupt as every other politician, if not more so, is likely to hurt voter turnout more, and people are already figuring that out....
After Nixon resigned the democrats increased their seats in both houses. Two thirds majority in the house and the all important 60 seats in the senate (60 seats being enough to break a filibuster) and then they won the presidential election 2 years later with a little known candidate. It was pretty brutal." | |||
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"Looks like the Republicans have caved on the need for a special prosecutor. One has been chosen by the Justice Department..." Former FBI director as well. Ot would have been better if it had been a commission because everything would have been out in the open. A special prosecutor will, at the end, be able to close with saying no crimes were committed without anyone funding out the detail. If hes innocent or guilty people should know before they go vote for him again. | |||
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"Looks like the Republicans have caved on the need for a special prosecutor. One has been chosen by the Justice Department... Former FBI director as well. Ot would have been better if it had been a commission because everything would have been out in the open. A special prosecutor will, at the end, be able to close with saying no crimes were committed without anyone funding out the detail. If hes innocent or guilty people should know before they go vote for him again." I agree. But any give by republicans is telling at this stage - and the special prosecutor is definitely a give. | |||
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"I wonder if Flynn is still bound by military law??? Don't know how the US military work but if he was a British officer he would be." I believe he could still plead the 5th during an article 32 investigation | |||
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"I wonder if Flynn is still bound by military law??? Don't know how the US military work but if he was a British officer he would be. I believe he could still plead the 5th during an article 32 investigation " he can plead the 5th at any point... but at this point that will probably say more than if he actually answered the questions... plus the fact his lawyers have said that he wants immunity for his testimony...... | |||
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"I believe he could still plead the 5th during an article 32 investigation " Maybe, but I bet the US military has regulations restricting contact with officials of hostile foreign powers without express permission from a higher command and I bet Flynn did not have such permission. That to my way of thinking is an automatic trip to Fort Leavenworth, just like the one Mr/Ms Manning got.  | |||
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"I wonder if Flynn is still bound by military law??? Don't know how the US military work but if he was a British officer he would be. I believe he could still plead the 5th during an article 32 investigation he can plead the 5th at any point... but at this point that will probably say more than if he actually answered the questions... plus the fact his lawyers have said that he wants immunity for his testimony...... " He wont just want immunity for himself, but for his son as well | |||
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"he's taken the fifth" I'm not surprised. Given what he is being accused of, especially now that it's known he was secretly lobbying for the Turkish government, it's probably best for him if he shuts the fuck up. Give the FBI investigation time...I have a hunch that he may get a bit of a deal if he has the right information against the right people. Since others have possibly been identified who are currently within the white house, there may be bigger fish to fry than Flynn. | |||
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"he could do time either way .... failing to comply with a subpoena by not producing the documents .... produce the documents and get crucified" I'm not an expert in 5th Amendment law, but I know a bit about it. I think he is going to have to turn the documents over to not be held in contempt. He may also have to show up to the hearing in order to not be held in contempt. But he could legally show up and answer "I am exercising my 5th Amendment right to remain silent" to every question and they wouldn't be able to make a contempt charge stick. And that's even if they want to do that. It might be strategically smart to give him immunity if he has information that could get someone even more important in trouble. I think the government really has to play this smart. It's getting interesting, though. | |||
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"Comey has just said that Flynn was in serious legal jeopardy as a result of his actions. Still has legs! " General Private Do you want a blindfold? Mr Commander in Chief... | |||
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"So do people think trump will still be prez this time next week? " Yep... Republicans will protect him right up to close to the mid terms and then try and spin his removal as them looking out for America... And many will buy it! | |||
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"So Trump has now admitted that he is under investigation for obstruction of justice for trying to stop the Flynn investigation. " Pathetic innit? When will people get over the fact that he won the election | |||
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"So Trump has now admitted that he is under investigation for obstruction of justice for trying to stop the Flynn investigation. Pathetic innit? When will people get over the fact that he won the election" You know it was Trump's own Attorneys General who established the special prosecutor right? Trump's own people started this investigation | |||
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"So Trump has now admitted that he is under investigation for obstruction of justice for trying to stop the Flynn investigation. Pathetic innit? When will people get over the fact that he won the election You know it was Trump's own Attorneys General who established the special prosecutor right? Trump's own people started this investigation " Then he has nothing to worry about has he and hopefully it will shut the Trumpophobics like yourself up | |||
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"So Trump has now admitted that he is under investigation for obstruction of justice for trying to stop the Flynn investigation. " Eh, that's not really news. Except that I think Trump's lawyer must be going out of his mind because his client can't keep his mouth shut. 
I'm glad all of this is happening. What happened in the 2016 election is an embarrassment to US democracy. If anything, trump supporters should be even more angry because Russian interference (in the election and in the Trump campaign) called into question an election that trump would probably have won outright.
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"the story grows yet more pairs of legs" Indeed. Trump's Campaign manager, Trump's son, and Trump's son in law, and Trump's National Security Advisor all colluded with, or attempted to collude with the Russians. They all have denied this, and they have all been caught lying about it. How many more examples are we going to find? | |||
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 A lie so ridiculous only CandM4U would believe it
And apparently Trump didnt know anything about it. The noose around his neck is getting tighter and it hasnt even been 2 months since the special prosecutor has been appointed. And he hasnt even hired a full team yet and only submitted his budget last week. This is a presidency in freefall. We'll never see a president impeached as fast as this again. | |||
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"The dominoes are falling. Donald Trump jr. has now had to admit that he met with Russians after being told in advance the meeting was about intelligence gathered on Clinton from the Kremlin. Jrs best defence at the moment is that Manafort and Kushner left the campaign to have this meeting without knowing who it was with or what it was about A lie so ridiculous only CandM4U would believe it
And apparently Trump didnt know anything about it. The noose around his neck is getting tighter and it hasnt even been 2 months since the special prosecutor has been appointed. And he hasnt even hired a full team yet and only submitted his budget last week. This is a presidency in freefall. We'll never see a president impeached as fast as this again."Manafort and Kushner knew about it as they were copied into the email. They said that meeting was about adoption of Russian babies. Seriously? 3 of the most senior campaign officials in a presidential campaign are taking meetings on adoption? I don't remember that being a campaign priority, does anyone else? | |||
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"then Donny has Ivanka (the daughter he said he would like to do on TV) sit in for him at a G20 meeting." Did you hear his reasoning for this? He said that he was getting her to save his seat. As if someone would actually sit in the seat of POTUS at a G20 Summit like donald would come back from a toilet break to find a waiter sitting in his seat or something ! | |||
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"then Donny has Ivanka (the daughter he said he would like to do on TV) sit in for him at a G20 meeting. Did you hear his reasoning for this? He said that he was getting her to save his seat. As if someone would actually sit in the seat of POTUS at a G20 Summit like donald would come back from a toilet break to find a waiter sitting in his seat or something ! "Or they'd all change the name cards so he'd be sitting next to someone else. | |||
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"The scary thing about this is the only reason why any of them may end up up getting away with this is that there were all too stupid to actually do it right..... The fact they attempted some and were ready to engage in collusion with the Russians should be enough, but legally it might not be " Can you imagine if Clinton had done this? | |||
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"The scary thing about this is the only reason why any of them may end up up getting away with this is that there were all too stupid to actually do it right..... The fact they attempted some and were ready to engage in collusion with the Russians should be enough, but legally it might not be Can you imagine if Clinton had done this? " ..They have done worse..But when anyone investigates the Clinton mafia..They mysteriously commit suicide just before they testify.???? | |||
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"The scary thing about this is the only reason why any of them may end up up getting away with this is that there were all too stupid to actually do it right..... The fact they attempted some and were ready to engage in collusion with the Russians should be enough, but legally it might not be Can you imagine if Clinton had done this? ..They have done worse..But when anyone investigates the Clinton mafia..They mysteriously commit suicide just before they testify.????" They have done worse that collaborate with a hostile foreign government to influence the US Presidential race?  nah. | |||
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"The scary thing about this is the only reason why any of them may end up up getting away with this is that there were all too stupid to actually do it right..... The fact they attempted some and were ready to engage in collusion with the Russians should be enough, but legally it might not be Can you imagine if Clinton had done this? ..They have done worse..But when anyone investigates the Clinton mafia..They mysteriously commit suicide just before they testify.???? They have done worse that collaborate with a hostile foreign government to influence the US Presidential race? nah."...Hostile foreign government. ...You must be scared of your own shadow. | |||
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" Can you imagine if Clinton had done this? ..They have done worse..But when anyone investigates the Clinton mafia..They mysteriously commit suicide just before they testify.????" your foil hat's fallen off | |||
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" Can you imagine if Clinton had done this? ..They have done worse..But when anyone investigates the Clinton mafia..They mysteriously commit suicide just before they testify.???? your foil hat's fallen off " ..so has your blouse. | |||
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"And now another meeting between Trump and Putin discovered, why did the white house try and keep it a secret? " it is an interesting question.... the problem this administration has is that it is never "in front" of an actually story and only admits to anything when pushed ..... this one is always on the defensive, be that russia or healthcare or the insane tweeting... remember how this don jr shit stuff started... it was pribus going on the tv networks, sent out there on behalf of the administration and telling the world the meeting was in fact about russian adoption.... he wasn't in the meeting.... so someone told him a pack of lies.... and then we wonder who you can trust!!!! | |||
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" 'President Trump personally dictated a statement that was issued after revelations that Donald Trump Jr. met with a Russian lawyer during the 2016 election. " whitehouse lawyers have declared this an obstruction of justice | |||
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"whitehouse lawyers have declared this an obstruction of justice " When did this happen? I was expecting to hear Trump had called it fake news. Now why was he asking if he could pardon his family? dont they have to be convicted before he can pardon them? Can he pardon himself before he is even indited? Surely if he is indited he will already have been removed from office and therefore can't pardon himself? Will Trump be the first US president charged with Treason? | |||
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"Looks like Mueller has convened a separate grand jury to investigate the Trump campaign, separate from Flynn. Shits getting serious and Trump is rallying his base. I have a bad feeling about this. I have a feeling people in high places are going to be under fire and I worry there may be violence in the general population over it. " Sorry to say this, but of course there will be violence. Trump is fermenting it. He will do anything and everything to stay in power. I expect he will even claim that his supporters need to kill democrats to 'save' democracy. The big question is when he calls on the military as their Commander in Chief to use force to defend him will they? | |||
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"Now it has emerged that the 20 minute non-event meeting with people unknown to junior and Kusner were not only know to them but have documented business dealings together and that the Russian lawyer was in NY to defend a Russian company accused of money laundering that also has links to Trump and Kushner. The best part is the day of the meeting she appeared in front of a NY court to argue the case for her client (who is also linked to Putin's inner circle)... I bet Kushner is shitting himself because daddyinlaw cant pardon him on the charges coming there as they are state charges. And now we know why Muller is working with the NY State Attorney. Wonder how long until Donny Donny Jnr and Jarrad find themselves in front of Mullers Federal Grand Jury followed quickly by a trip to answer the same questions in front of a NY Grand Jury?" That bit in the second paragraph is what's really important. Trump thinks he can keep everyone around him loyal and silent with the promise of a pardon....but if serious state charges come into this we may see people jumping ship quickly. Interesting interesting....  | |||
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"I didn't realise he couldn't pardon state crimes. Very interesting. " State crimes are only pardonable by the Governor or state board of pardons (depending on the state). It doesn't help Trump and his friends that the Governor of New York State is generally, and currently, a Democrat | |||
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"I didn't realise he couldn't pardon state crimes. Very interesting. State crimes are only pardonable by the Governor or state board of pardons (depending on the state). It doesn't help Trump and his friends that the Governor of New York State is generally, and currently, a Democrat "I doubt they will be trying them over the border in New Jersey then! | |||
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"I doubt they will be trying them over the border in New Jersey then!" Nope, Donnie is going to fall because of his mob business dealings out of Trump Tower and Trump Parc. | |||
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"The latest thing I am now hearing is that the reason Trumps (Daddy, Donnie, Jnr and now Kushner) businesses have so many mob ties is because they are all in the mob and have been for decades! And that that is why the Russian mob were able to get Trump to launder their money, because that has been his role in the mob for decades. If this is true it explains so much of Trumps attitudes, his total dishonesty and why he has never been held accountable for his actions. " I don't think he's got the balls to be in the mafia | |||
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"The latest thing I am now hearing is that the reason Trumps (Daddy, Donnie, Jnr and now Kushner) businesses have so many mob ties is because they are all in the mob and have been for decades! And that that is why the Russian mob were able to get Trump to launder their money, because that has been his role in the mob for decades. If this is true it explains so much of Trumps attitudes, his total dishonesty and why he has never been held accountable for his actions. " Sounds far-fetched. I think he just got lots of loans from them for his business. The simple answer is usually the right one. | |||
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"I don't think he's got the balls to be in the mafia " I'm only repeating what i am hearing being reported from US news outlets. Apparently the mob had a 25% stake in Daddy Trumps New Jersey construction company. And Donny bought his concrete from the mob at inflated prices with money that has not been accounted for (money laundering). Also Donny rented and bought his property in Atlantic city from the mob and then used the casinos he set up in those properties to launder more mob money. When Donny looked as if he might go under his daddy gave him a $3 million loan by way of buying $3 million of chips from his casinos and the source of that money is unknown. The evidence is piling up so much that people are making the accusations on US national TV. Now I would be surprised if Donny is a 'made man' but not all mobsters are, and I think there could well be truth in the claim. | |||
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"I don't think he's got the balls to be in the mafia I'm only repeating what i am hearing being reported from US news outlets. Apparently the mob had a 25% stake in Daddy Trumps New Jersey construction company. And Donny bought his concrete from the mob at inflated prices with money that has not been accounted for (money laundering). Also Donny rented and bought his property in Atlantic city from the mob and then used the casinos he set up in those properties to launder more mob money. When Donny looked as if he might go under his daddy gave him a $3 million loan by way of buying $3 million of chips from his casinos and the source of that money is unknown. The evidence is piling up so much that people are making the accusations on US national TV. Now I would be surprised if Donny is a 'made man' but not all mobsters are, and I think there could well be truth in the claim." What news outlets have reported this? I haven't watched U.S. news in a few days.... | |||
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"What news outlets have reported this? I haven't watched U.S. news in a few days...." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8_wvzJrJ44&t=397s MSNBC: Trump Has Ties To The Mob. "He's In The Russian Mob" | |||
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"charges have been filed .... indictment sealed by federal judge .... arrests to follow ... possibly on monday .... not bad going for a story without legs then" According to my work colleague, the charges may actually be directed at DNC Party activists. Best not start gloating just yet. I would 100% like to see actions against Trump campaigners but recent news suggests that DNC activists may have also been at work trying to subvert the election by actually paying for an anti Trump dossier. Don’t count your chickens. | |||
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"charges have been filed .... indictment sealed by federal judge .... arrests to follow ... possibly on monday .... not bad going for a story without legs then According to my work colleague, the charges may actually be directed at DNC Party activists. Best not start gloating just yet. I would 100% like to see actions against Trump campaigners but recent news suggests that DNC activists may have also been at work trying to subvert the election by actually paying for an anti Trump dossier. Don’t count your chickens." you presume i take sides in the issue .... i care not a jot who has their collar felt | |||
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"Donny boy will be out with the book of pardons very quickly now. Wonder if he understands that as soon as he gives a pardon the person it is given to looses their right to silence under the 5th Amendment and Miranda, and must answer all questions asked by investigators and grand juries." Trump can only pardon those charged with federal crimes, not state crimes. That's why Mueller has partnered with a state AG. | |||
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"Trump can only pardon those charged with federal crimes, not state crimes. That's why Mueller has partnered with a state AG." I know this, but Muller unlike Donny is a clever bugger and will use federal indictment to get ikkle donny to issue pardons which will remove Miranda and 5th amendment rights which will then produce the goods to bring the lot down with NY State indictments! LoL What everybody forgets is that because of the method of firing Comey there are a lot of debts to be settled,you dont get to fire an untouchable because he is not corruptible without the other untouchables coming after you.
In the great FBI tradition of Elliot Ness, the untouchables always get their man and Donald J Trump is the latest to get to be nominated!
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"Manafort: Conspiracy against the United States...and 11 other charges. Hmmmm." manafort might be the "bigger fish".... but the more interesting one may well be that George Papadopolous, who was an aide to the trump campaign, has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI in the russia conspiracy probe..... so the question we may need to know is "lying to what?" | |||
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"Manafort: Conspiracy against the United States...and 11 other charges. Hmmmm. manafort might be the "bigger fish".... but the more interesting one may well be that George Papadopolous, who was an aide to the trump campaign, has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI in the russia conspiracy probe..... so the question we may need to know is "lying to what?"" Very true. It's also interesting to note that Manafort has been indicted today because of a statute of limitation issue. The option has been left open to further indict on other charges in the future. So this is just the beginning of it all...a beginning that has been preemptively started in a way. | |||
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"so flynn has ditched communications with Don Juan's lawyers ... looks like he gonna spill his guts in return for a deal ... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/24/michael-flynn-breaks-ties-trump-lawyers-russia-investigation #titsup4trump " Flynn has probably flipped to protect Flynn Jnr. | |||
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"Flynn has reportedly been charged with making false statements to the FBI regarding contacts with the Russian ambassador to the U.S.....more details pending..." I always said this story had legs!
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"Flynn has reportedly been charged with making false statements to the FBI regarding contacts with the Russian ambassador to the U.S.....more details pending... I always said this story had legs!
I wonder if this will be the only thing he is charged with? "Yeah...I was wondering the same. I've read some stuff that indicates he's going to plead guilty. I'm wondering if this was a compromise...that he gets charged with something relatively minor, like false statements to the FBI, pleads guilty, but then cooperates with the investigation in exchange for not being charged with more serious stuff? I don't know...I'm sure we'll find out soon enough. | |||
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"i think the interesting thing is that apparently flynn is now co-operating with moeller.. anyway.... lock him up!!!! lock him up!!! "I really do wonder if this slow reeling in of the minnows is just an information gathering exercise and the real target is not just Donald Trump, but the Trump Empire. Russian collusion is the name of the game but once some serious Discovery gets underway... I have had experience of US Law (albeit civil) and it is just not possible to hide away from even the smallest of even genuine mistakes. I cannot believe that an organisation of the International nature and size of the Trump empire has not made mistakes. I would not be surprised to eventually see this lead to tax evasion, money laundering and more, and ultimately the complete dismantling of Trump and his organisation. | |||
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"Steve Bannon has described the meetings between the Trump team and the Russians as "treasonous". Are those Trump fans still going to stand by him after this from Trump's closest ally, who was in the room? " Ah... Seems the chief rat having left the ship is now out to hang the crew! Remember 'this story has no legs, it is the bitter whinging of those who lost'... Now where are Centy and his pro Trump mates? ... ... ... | |||
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"This is fake news. " As in, it's news you don't care to hear? Yes, then in that case it is "fake news". | |||
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"This is fake news. Unless somebody has something actually factual?. There's month's and months of this same bullshit in these threads all proclaiming any day now trump will be out on his arse! The media and those that lap this shit up are going to hand this nitwit a second term "What I'm saying is fake news, or Steve Bannon saying that the meeting he was in was "treasonous" is fake news? | |||
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"This is fake news. As in, it's news you don't care to hear? Yes, then in that case it is "fake news"." . I'm not the one repeating "truths" for months on end that turn out every time to be utter bollocks | |||
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"This is fake news. Unless somebody has something actually factual?. There's month's and months of this same bullshit in these threads all proclaiming any day now trump will be out on his arse! The media and those that lap this shit up are going to hand this nitwit a second term
What I'm saying is fake news, or Steve Bannon saying that the meeting he was in was "treasonous" is fake news? ". Do you know when steve bannon is lying?. His lips move | |||
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"This is fake news. Unless somebody has something actually factual?. There's month's and months of this same bullshit in these threads all proclaiming any day now trump will be out on his arse! The media and those that lap this shit up are going to hand this nitwit a second term
What I'm saying is fake news, or Steve Bannon saying that the meeting he was in was "treasonous" is fake news? .
Do you know when steve bannon is lying?.
His lips move"Then it would call into question Trump's judgment to hire such a man to the 2nd most senior position in the white house. | |||
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"This is fake news. Unless somebody has something actually factual?. There's month's and months of this same bullshit in these threads all proclaiming any day now trump will be out on his arse! The media and those that lap this shit up are going to hand this nitwit a second term "How many of his election team have now pleaded guilty to criminal acts in relation to Trumps election? How many of his lawyers have claimed they tweeted in his name? And how many have jumped ship or refused to represent him? And how many of his administration have gone because they have been caught out lying so seriously that Trump had to fire them to protect himself? | |||
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"This is fake news. Unless somebody has something actually factual?. There's month's and months of this same bullshit in these threads all proclaiming any day now trump will be out on his arse! The media and those that lap this shit up are going to hand this nitwit a second term
How many of his election team have now pleaded guilty to criminal acts in relation to Trumps election?
How many of his lawyers have claimed they tweeted in his name? And how many have jumped ship or refused to represent him? And how many of his administration have gone because they have been caught out lying so seriously that Trump had to fire them to protect himself?". In which practically nothing has happened!. Meanwhile every corporation is out polluting your air, food, water, feeding you toxic cancerous products tariff free and wrapped in plastic while avoiding criminal responsibility for genuine illegal activities and hoarding there tax free profits in tax havens. . . But don't panic... Just in... Breaking news... Trump tweets!!.... Bannon... Squeals! . You know as well as anyone will how this shit works. | |||
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"This is fake news. As in, it's news you don't care to hear? Yes, then in that case it is "fake news".. I'm not the one repeating "truths" for months on end that turn out every time to be utter bollocks "I have found that proclamations that are directly at odds with reality do go hand in hand with declarations of "fake news". So, two for two. | |||
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"This is fake news. Unless somebody has something actually factual?. There's month's and months of this same bullshit in these threads all proclaiming any day now trump will be out on his arse! The media and those that lap this shit up are going to hand this nitwit a second term
What I'm saying is fake news, or Steve Bannon saying that the meeting he was in was "treasonous" is fake news? .
Do you know when steve bannon is lying?.
His lips move
Then it would call into question Trump's judgment to hire such a man to the 2nd most senior position in the white house. "Steve Bannon was not, and is not, the Vice President. | |||
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"This is fake news. Unless somebody has something actually factual?. There's month's and months of this same bullshit in these threads all proclaiming any day now trump will be out on his arse! The media and those that lap this shit up are going to hand this nitwit a second term
What I'm saying is fake news, or Steve Bannon saying that the meeting he was in was "treasonous" is fake news? .
Do you know when steve bannon is lying?.
His lips move
Then it would call into question Trump's judgment to hire such a man to the 2nd most senior position in the white house.
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"True, but 2nd most senior person would the the VP, as he or she is next in line for the presidency should the president pop his or her clogs. An outcome for which we can but hope." That's second in the line of succession, the CoS has more power than the VP in reality. LBJ described the VP position as a warm bucket of shit, and he was the VP! | |||
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"Reince Preibus was CoS, Bannon was a special advisor. General Kelly is now CoS. However Preibus had no real power in the White House and was there as a concession to the RNC as much as what he could do for Trump. Bannon was certainly the number 2 for a while but now hes nowhere. More to the point the investigation is moving at a rapid pace and Mueller is making huge progress on getting to the bottom of what happened. Investigations like this dont normally have guilty pleas this soon." Yeah, your right, my bad, sorry guys. | |||
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"This is fake news. Unless somebody has something actually factual?. There's month's and months of this same bullshit in these threads all proclaiming any day now trump will be out on his arse! The media and those that lap this shit up are going to hand this nitwit a second term
What I'm saying is fake news, or Steve Bannon saying that the meeting he was in was "treasonous" is fake news? "Are you saying that the news that Steve Bannon said the meeting was treason is fake news or that meeting was treasonous is fake news? | |||
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"True, but 2nd most senior person would the the VP, as he or she is next in line for the presidency should the president pop his or her clogs. An outcome for which we can but hope." You seriously think Pence would be better? Trump maybe many awful things but at least he's not a religious nut case. I really couldn't choose which is worse between the two of them. | |||
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"True, but 2nd most senior person would the the VP, as he or she is next in line for the presidency should the president pop his or her clogs. An outcome for which we can but hope. You seriously think Pence would be better? Trump maybe many awful things but at least he's not a religious nut case. I really couldn't choose which is worse between the two of them." Better is a strong term. Slightly less worse, maybe? | |||
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"So now we hear that Steve Bannon is/was in front of a Grand Jury today... So much for Centy's claim that this was a non story and nothing but spin by bitter losers. For a story with no legs it sure as hell seems to be running and running, its now right behind Donny boy! Wonder what colour his pants or nappy was just after he got the news that Stevei Breitbart was in front of the Grand Jury... Would that be brown, dark brown or brown with a big streak of yellow or plain yellow? "To be fair, it was the long since departed CandM4U who claimed the story had legs, although Centaur has held similar sentiments | |||
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"on a more serious note ... we're 3 months into this "non story", "without legs" ... considering it took 26 months for tricky dicky to go from a non-story to waving at us from the top step of the helicopter, how long will don juan last now do you think? predictions on a post-card please" . I'd say about another 2 and a half years! | |||
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"Feel free to stop paying attention to the world around you, if you find it so vexing." . Nah....I like winding you up, it's my last pleasure left after you've finished fucking the place up with your globalism....I think I rather deserve it to be honest | |||
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"So now we hear that Steve Bannon is/was in front of a Grand Jury today... So much for Centy's claim that this was a non story and nothing but spin by bitter losers. For a story with no legs it sure as hell seems to be running and running, its now right behind Donny boy! Wonder what colour his pants or nappy was just after he got the news that Stevei Breitbart was in front of the Grand Jury... Would that be brown, dark brown or brown with a big streak of yellow or plain yellow? "What did Bannon actually say in court then? I think it will have been something along the lines of...."There was no collusion between Trump and Russia". So nothing actually changes, CNN and MSNBC will Continue to make up bullshit fake stories about this and desperate Democrat Obama and Clinton sycophants will continue scratching around in the dirt looking for any excuse to keep this fantasy Russia story going. | |||
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"Feel free to stop paying attention to the world around you, if you find it so vexing.. Nah....I like winding you up, it's my last pleasure left after you've finished fucking the place up with your globalism....I think I rather deserve it to be honest "You overestimate your abilities. | |||
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"Ooh no....2 and half more years of this, news just in bollocks "News just in, Trump plucked an eyebrow, he used a pair of Russian made tweezers!!!! This has to be evidence of Russian collusion!!!! | |||
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"Feel free to stop paying attention to the world around you, if you find it so vexing.. Nah....I like winding you up, it's my last pleasure left after you've finished fucking the place up with your globalism....I think I rather deserve it to be honest
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"What did Bannon actually say in court then? I think it will have been something along the lines of...."There was no collusion between Trump and Russia". So nothing actually changes, CNN and MSNBC will Continue to make up bullshit fake stories about this and desperate Democrat Obama and Clinton sycophants will continue scratching around in the dirt looking for any excuse to keep this fantasy Russia story going. " I have saved this one to throw back in your face in the not too distant future Centy. | |||
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"I'm certain you would tell people that was your reaction, if you felt it would get you attention." . Well I've had enough of your attention for tonight. I'll see you tomorrow bright and breezy. Ttfn  | |||
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"he won't get to 2020 because there are mid terms in 2018..... all the dems would have to do is flip 24 congressional seats... and the house goes to them!! interesting stat for you... number of republicans currently sitting in congressional seats that went more than 60-40 for clinton in the election... 23! so with trump making a balls up of everything... plus the republicans trying to repeal the ACA.... i think a lot of moderate republicans may think of bailing on trump a lot sooner...." Fabio you should not predict, none of your predictions ever come true, do they!! think back, Trump, Brexit, B0E, etc check back your posts, you are always on the losing side, not saying you are wrong, but you do seem to be on the minority when it comes to votes | |||
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"Attorney General Jeff Sessions has been interviewed under caution by Muller and the rumour is that Trump is the next target... The question is will the GOP circle the wagons and refuse to impeach Trump or will they cut their losses and kick him out, should Muller produce evidence of organised corruption by Trump or his election team either before or after his election?" IF there is any then it should all be looked into, after all it's what many on here were bating for with his opponent.. | |||
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"Now it looks as if Trump's payment of $130,000 through a shell company set up by his personal lawyer may have been an 'in-kind contribution', which would violate several Federal campaign finance laws. So we have now got to a point where Flynn's non story has moved through a web of Russian spies and stories of Russian hookers being recorded pissing on a bed for Trump to him committing federal offences by paying off a porn star to stop her telling her story prior to the election. But apparently his bible thumping redneck Christian base still think the guy is OK and should get a 'do-over' (or a Mulligan as it is called in golf (something he takes lots of [apparently]))..." Melania seems to be giving him the cold shoulder since the story about the prostitute came out. They didn't spend their anniversary together. | |||
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"Alan derjuvitz?. Constitutional expert on CNN got interviewed,I found the constitutional allowances of what a president can do to any investigation quite eye opening "Link please so we can all have our eyes opened... | |||
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"Alan derjuvitz?. Constitutional expert on CNN got interviewed,I found the constitutional allowances of what a president can do to any investigation quite eye opening
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"The canaries are starting to sing https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/us/politics/trump-mueller-special-counsel-russia.html" Thank you! Off to watch and will then come back and comment. | |||
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