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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Someone posted a thread relating to complete decriminalisation of
cannabis.. (a populist but incredibly short sighted and naive resolution imo)
Many reputable medical journals (the Lancet being one) have found it causes the onset of schizoaffective disorders in those with still developing brains or those with a biological susceptability to it . It would probably cost more to treat those who fall mentally ill through its recreational abuse and offset any gains through tax revenue collection.
It is legitimately useful as a treatment for certain chronic pain conditions for those who don't responde to conventional pain relief or for stabilising certain types of epilepsy.
So there is a case to be made it should be legalised for those uses but beyond those circumstances it's probably too dangerous to legalise it as a consumer good available without safeguards or checks .
Another example of a substance ordinarily considered illicit and recreational..
Liquid ecstasy - its actually available and prescribed to patients with severe narcolepsy and has been found to be incredibly effective at alleviating symptoms associated (xyrem).
Usually illicit drugs can have legitimate uses but they're still unacceptably dangerous if abused recreationally. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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You speak as if there isn't grades and different strengths and varieties and the lancet isnt biased in any way .People with mental weakness will suffer from the effect of coffee maybe there should be a recall .As it goes legalisation would help many people have the strength to come off many much more dangerous perscription drugs .So I dont agree.As for in development its called pothead and the drug should be legal to over 21yrs old only .Ecstasy is crap and habit forming . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is there a legal drug that's freely available without regulation or testing then??.
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The problem with this sentence is the word drug.
Sugar is a drug and has no regulation.Apart from quality control .A drug is any chemical that effects how the body works . |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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I can't understand why it hasn't been decriminalised really, it is much less harmful than alcohol (although, as I recall, Heroin and Crack are about the only recreational drugs that are more harmful than booze) - It forms a good part of the illegal drug trade, and many dealers would go out of business, helping to reduce criminal gangs and there is much tax revenue to be made as it is, in reality, incedibly cheap to produce.
Production could also be regulated and people know what they are getting. People will always find ways to achieve a "high", and the fact that cannabis is illegal led to the seach for analogues, which is how you got "spice", which is much more harmful... |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Maybe I hang out with the wrong people, but I dont see a huge demand for this. I would suggest the medical route first before full decriminalization "
I don't know anyone who uses, really, but I'm sure they exist. I find the notion of a nation a bit stoned on a Friday, keeping the takeaways just as busy as the drinkers, but with considerably less fighting, quite appealing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Ive read 6% of the population smoke marijuana. If they dont get to high on election day they might have a considerable effect on the election.Not getting arrested must be a good incentive to vote..  |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
It is refreshing that this thread has not been pulled as has been the case for many years when the c word was mentioned.
The OP has not really read enough about the subject and the Lancet articles are necessarily limited in context because it is not possible to study the effects of something that is illegal.
The US is leading the way with medicinal regulation and a number of states are also fully legal for recreational use as well. Next year, 2018, Canada will have a recreational statute and by then even more US States will also permit recreational use.
Nothing will change in this country because we are about to elect a vicars daughter as a defacto Dictator and she has made it clear that the Governments illogical position is based on ideology and not facts. Their position is that the herb is a dangerous drug with no medicinal value. This is factually incorrect and can be asserted with even the most cursory research. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Ive read 6% of the population smoke marijuana. If they dont get to high on election day they might have a considerable effect on the election.Not getting arrested must be a good incentive to vote.. "
A popular garden centre near us has indoor growing tents and "canna" nutrients on open display along with all of the other paraphernalia needed to set up with the papers might call "a factory"
I went a couple of weeks ago to buy some tomato plants and there were more people browsing tents and light set ups than there were browsing anything else. |
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"It is refreshing that this thread has not been pulled as has been the case for many years when the c word was mentioned.
The OP has not really read enough about the subject and the Lancet articles are necessarily limited in context because it is not possible to study the effects of something that is illegal.
The US is leading the way with medicinal regulation and a number of states are also fully legal for recreational use as well. Next year, 2018, Canada will have a recreational statute and by then even more US States will also permit recreational use.
Nothing will change in this country because we are about to elect a vicars daughter as a defacto Dictator and she has made it clear that the Governments illogical position is based on ideology and not facts. Their position is that the herb is a dangerous drug with no medicinal value. This is factually incorrect and can be asserted with even the most cursory research."
Yup, some people got forum bans for talking about a fecking election policy  |
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By *onyxptMan
over a year ago
st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal |
"Is there a legal drug that's freely available without regulation or testing then??.
The problem with this sentence is the word drug.
Sugar is a drug and has no regulation.Apart from quality control .A drug is any chemical that effects how the body works ."
 
I would add that the word "drug" has become a dirty word , only being accepted or not, depending on having legal or ilegal attached to it !
So ....using the word I would say that ALL drugs when abused , or overdosed can affect your health severely ,or even kill you !
Whether that is pot or Aspirin , its a question of frequency and dose !
Mind altering substances have been with us since man has existed , and they will continue to be ! A lot of the "legal" medically accepted "meds" in use today were at one time either illegal or relegated into the "magic" or witchcraft area !
Cocaine itself was used as a prescription "med" well into the 30 ies of the previous century !
Some might be more addictive then others , but the fact is that it has been proven that some people are genetically more prone to addiction in general then others !
Personally I find Banning or making something illegal has never, ever solved the problem !
In fact .... it made it worse ! 
There is a difference between having a drink , and getting d*unk !
Living in a wine producing country like Portugal , its normal for people to have a glass or two of wine with their meal , but if a person has a whole bottle....that is another matter ! Or if he/she cant go without that bottle dayly ! Then they have problem !
FYI , in Portugal the possession of a a certain amount for personal use is not illegal !
Its a pioneer experiment that so far seems to be having good results  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ive read 6% of the population smoke marijuana. If they dont get to high on election day they might have a considerable effect on the election.Not getting arrested must be a good incentive to vote..
A popular garden centre near us has indoor growing tents and "canna" nutrients on open display along with all of the other paraphernalia needed to set up with the papers might call "a factory"
I went a couple of weeks ago to buy some tomato plants and there were more people browsing tents and light set ups than there were browsing anything else."
Its grown outdoors also in the U.K. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is there a legal drug that's freely available without regulation or testing then??.
The problem with this sentence is the word drug.
Sugar is a drug and has no regulation.Apart from quality control .A drug is any chemical that effects how the body works .
I would add that the word "drug" has become a dirty word , only being accepted or not, depending on having legal or ilegal attached to it !
So ....using the word I would say that ALL drugs when abused , or overdosed can affect your health severely ,or even kill you !
Whether that is pot or Aspirin , its a question of frequency and dose !
Mind altering substances have been with us since man has existed , and they will continue to be ! A lot of the "legal" medically accepted "meds" in use today were at one time either illegal or relegated into the "magic" or witchcraft area !
Cocaine itself was used as a prescription "med" well into the 30 ies of the previous century !
Some might be more addictive then others , but the fact is that it has been proven that some people are genetically more prone to addiction in general then others !
Personally I find Banning or making something illegal has never, ever solved the problem !
In fact .... it made it worse !
There is a difference between having a drink , and getting d*unk !
Living in a wine producing country like Portugal , its normal for people to have a glass or two of wine with their meal , but if a person has a whole bottle....that is another matter ! Or if he/she cant go without that bottle dayly ! Then they have problem !
FYI , in Portugal the possession of a a certain amount for personal use is not illegal !
Its a pioneer experiment that so far seems to be having good results "
Yes ive read that its been a great success in portugal. |
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By *onyxptMan
over a year ago
st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal |
"Is there a legal drug that's freely available without regulation or testing then??.
The problem with this sentence is the word drug.
Sugar is a drug and has no regulation.Apart from quality control .A drug is any chemical that effects how the body works .
I would add that the word "drug" has become a dirty word , only being accepted or not, depending on having legal or ilegal attached to it !
So ....using the word I would say that ALL drugs when abused , or overdosed can affect your health severely ,or even kill you !
Whether that is pot or Aspirin , its a question of frequency and dose !
Mind altering substances have been with us since man has existed , and they will continue to be ! A lot of the "legal" medically accepted "meds" in use today were at one time either illegal or relegated into the "magic" or witchcraft area !
Cocaine itself was used as a prescription "med" well into the 30 ies of the previous century !
Some might be more addictive then others , but the fact is that it has been proven that some people are genetically more prone to addiction in general then others !
Personally I find Banning or making something illegal has never, ever solved the problem !
In fact .... it made it worse !
There is a difference between having a drink , and getting d*unk !
Living in a wine producing country like Portugal , its normal for people to have a glass or two of wine with their meal , but if a person has a whole bottle....that is another matter ! Or if he/she cant go without that bottle dayly ! Then they have problem !
FYI , in Portugal the possession of a a certain amount for personal use is not illegal !
Its a pioneer experiment that so far seems to be having good results Yes ive read that its been a great success in portugal."
Yes, and use has not gone up !
Incarcerations and and convictions are down as has drug related crime !  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is there a legal drug that's freely available without regulation or testing then??.
The problem with this sentence is the word drug.
Sugar is a drug and has no regulation.Apart from quality control .A drug is any chemical that effects how the body works .
I would add that the word "drug" has become a dirty word , only being accepted or not, depending on having legal or ilegal attached to it !
So ....using the word I would say that ALL drugs when abused , or overdosed can affect your health severely ,or even kill you !
Whether that is pot or Aspirin , its a question of frequency and dose !
Mind altering substances have been with us since man has existed , and they will continue to be ! A lot of the "legal" medically accepted "meds" in use today were at one time either illegal or relegated into the "magic" or witchcraft area !
Cocaine itself was used as a prescription "med" well into the 30 ies of the previous century !
Some might be more addictive then others , but the fact is that it has been proven that some people are genetically more prone to addiction in general then others !
Personally I find Banning or making something illegal has never, ever solved the problem !
In fact .... it made it worse !
There is a difference between having a drink , and getting d*unk !
Living in a wine producing country like Portugal , its normal for people to have a glass or two of wine with their meal , but if a person has a whole bottle....that is another matter ! Or if he/she cant go without that bottle dayly ! Then they have problem !
FYI , in Portugal the possession of a a certain amount for personal use is not illegal !
Its a pioneer experiment that so far seems to be having good results Yes ive read that its been a great success in portugal.
Yes, and use has not gone up !
Incarcerations and and convictions are down as has drug related crime ! "
Deaths from drugs are also down.Also the police can now spend more time to catch real criminals.
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Someone posted a thread relating to complete decriminalisation of
cannabis.. (a populist but incredibly short sighted and naive resolution imo)
Many reputable medical journals (the Lancet being one) have found it causes the onset of schizoaffective disorders in those with still developing brains or those with a biological susceptability to it . It would probably cost more to treat those who fall mentally ill through its recreational abuse and offset any gains through tax revenue collection.
It is legitimately useful as a treatment for certain chronic pain conditions for those who don't responde to conventional pain relief or for stabilising certain types of epilepsy.
So there is a case to be made it should be legalised for those uses but beyond those circumstances it's probably too dangerous to legalise it as a consumer good available without safeguards or checks .
Another example of a substance ordinarily considered illicit and recreational..
Liquid ecstasy - its actually available and prescribed to patients with severe narcolepsy and has been found to be incredibly effective at alleviating symptoms associated (xyrem).
Usually illicit drugs can have legitimate uses but they're still unacceptably dangerous if abused recreationally."
There is an argument that ALL drugs should be legalised and available in quality assured, fixed doses. The basic premis is that taking drugs is a victimless crime.
If anything should be made illegal, it should be alcohol because by far and above this drug can damage people and society as much as or even more than the user. Think battered wives, town centre fights on a Saturday night etc etc |
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"Is there a legal drug that's freely available without regulation or testing then??.
The problem with this sentence is the word drug.
Sugar is a drug and has no regulation.Apart from quality control .A drug is any chemical that effects how the body works .
I would add that the word "drug" has become a dirty word , only being accepted or not, depending on having legal or ilegal attached to it !
So ....using the word I would say that ALL drugs when abused , or overdosed can affect your health severely ,or even kill you !
Whether that is pot or Aspirin , its a question of frequency and dose !
Mind altering substances have been with us since man has existed , and they will continue to be ! A lot of the "legal" medically accepted "meds" in use today were at one time either illegal or relegated into the "magic" or witchcraft area !
Cocaine itself was used as a prescription "med" well into the 30 ies of the previous century !
Some might be more addictive then others , but the fact is that it has been proven that some people are genetically more prone to addiction in general then others !
Personally I find Banning or making something illegal has never, ever solved the problem !
In fact .... it made it worse !
There is a difference between having a drink , and getting d*unk !
Living in a wine producing country like Portugal , its normal for people to have a glass or two of wine with their meal , but if a person has a whole bottle....that is another matter ! Or if he/she cant go without that bottle dayly ! Then they have problem !
FYI , in Portugal the possession of a a certain amount for personal use is not illegal !
Its a pioneer experiment that so far seems to be having good results Yes ive read that its been a great success in portugal.
Yes, and use has not gone up !
Incarcerations and and convictions are down as has drug related crime ! "
Actually it did go up but you're right about the other things. |
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"Someone posted a thread relating to complete decriminalisation of
cannabis.. (a populist but incredibly short sighted and naive resolution imo)
Many reputable medical journals (the Lancet being one) have found it causes the onset of schizoaffective disorders in those with still developing brains or those with a biological susceptability to it . It would probably cost more to treat those who fall mentally ill through its recreational abuse and offset any gains through tax revenue collection.
It is legitimately useful as a treatment for certain chronic pain conditions for those who don't responde to conventional pain relief or for stabilising certain types of epilepsy.
So there is a case to be made it should be legalised for those uses but beyond those circumstances it's probably too dangerous to legalise it as a consumer good available without safeguards or checks .
Another example of a substance ordinarily considered illicit and recreational..
Liquid ecstasy - its actually available and prescribed to patients with severe narcolepsy and has been found to be incredibly effective at alleviating symptoms associated (xyrem).
Usually illicit drugs can have legitimate uses but they're still unacceptably dangerous if abused recreationally."
What a load of tosh!
We have 50 years experience of the war on drugs and what has it given us?
Drugs cartels and a worldwide network of organised crime that costs the world billions and probably trillions annually that is an ever escalating drain on the world, plus the organised crime gangs are always looking for ways to make their 'product' stronger and more addictive to stimulate thus exasperating the problem. It is not as if this is the worlds first example of prohibition, the USA tried it in the 1920's with alcohol and got the mafia for their efforts! So we know prohibition does not work!
We need a radical rethink!
We need to stop trying to use penal laws modify behaviour and rely on education because criminalising massive sections of the population because they choose to use stimulants or narcotics clearly does not work.
We are in a hole, it is time we stopped making it bigger, it is time we stopped digging. |
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"Someone posted a thread relating to complete decriminalisation of
cannabis.. (a populist but incredibly short sighted and naive resolution imo)
Many reputable medical journals (the Lancet being one) have found it causes the onset of schizoaffective disorders in those with still developing brains or those with a biological susceptability to it . It would probably cost more to treat those who fall mentally ill through its recreational abuse and offset any gains through tax revenue collection.
It is legitimately useful as a treatment for certain chronic pain conditions for those who don't responde to conventional pain relief or for stabilising certain types of epilepsy.
So there is a case to be made it should be legalised for those uses but beyond those circumstances it's probably too dangerous to legalise it as a consumer good available without safeguards or checks .
Another example of a substance ordinarily considered illicit and recreational..
Liquid ecstasy - its actually available and prescribed to patients with severe narcolepsy and has been found to be incredibly effective at alleviating symptoms associated (xyrem).
Usually illicit drugs can have legitimate uses but they're still unacceptably dangerous if abused recreationally.
What a load of tosh!
We have 50 years experience of the war on drugs and what has it given us?
Drugs cartels and a worldwide network of organised crime that costs the world billions and probably trillions annually that is an ever escalating drain on the world, plus the organised crime gangs are always looking for ways to make their 'product' stronger and more addictive to stimulate thus exasperating the problem. It is not as if this is the worlds first example of prohibition, the USA tried it in the 1920's with alcohol and got the mafia for their efforts! So we know prohibition does not work!
We need a radical rethink!
We need to stop trying to use penal laws modify behaviour and rely on education because criminalising massive sections of the population because they choose to use stimulants or narcotics clearly does not work.
We are in a hole, it is time we stopped making it bigger, it is time we stopped digging."
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"So you'll be voting lib dem?
No, I do not live in an area where a lib dem vote would be the most effective anti tory vote so I will be voting Labour."
I understand but you can see the long term problem of taking a short term approach like that. When i turned 18 the lib dems were a joke party. It took a lot more than 5 years for them to move to the center and when they did i think they were very good in the coalition. A bunch of simpletons won't shut up about the tutition fees but you don't judge a book by one page of it's contents.
I will vote lib dem for the first time ever, i know they won't win but i want to see their vote increase in my area to:
A) signal to the conservatives that I'm not impressed with them since they've had a majority
B) To encourage the lib dems to stay center and not go back to the dark old days of being the protest movement that labour is now.
I feel slightly guilty because with my hand on my heart, the conservative man is the best man for the job, he's a great MP for our area. But his party need a reality check. |
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I appreciate the replies from those with differing views , my opinion isn't based solely on anecdotal evidence from a largely obscure medical journal (to an average lay person not working with the medical professional).
Two people from my peer group whom I grew up alongside developed long term psychiatric disorders through use of it. Cannabis is a potent drug that has many legitimate applications if prescribed under medical supervision - but available recreationally? without checks or safeguards?
Disaster waiting to happen on a grand scale. I'm not arguing other drugs legally available and used recreationally are safer or without risks or perils , cannabis is a potent psychoactive drug that can irrevocably disrupt neurological brain chemistry , especially in the young or vulnerable.
It's incredibly cynical and populist imo on the lib Dems part to disregard all available evidence relating to this just to court a few votes and vacuously pledge to legalise.
Certainly it should be legalised for medicinal use and prescribed under the supervision of medical professionals - it has proven pain relief and antiepileptic benefits.
It is a very potent drug that has the potential of causing many problems?. It's no longer the hippy drug of the 60s.. it's considerable much more potent (various studies have shown this).
I'll have to respectfully agree to disagree with many of you as a consequence.
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"I appreciate the replies from those with differing views , my opinion isn't based solely on anecdotal evidence from a largely obscure medical journal (to an average lay person not working with the medical professional).
Two people from my peer group whom I grew up alongside developed long term psychiatric disorders through use of it. Cannabis is a potent drug that has many legitimate applications if prescribed under medical supervision - but available recreationally? without checks or safeguards?
Disaster waiting to happen on a grand scale. I'm not arguing other drugs legally available and used recreationally are safer or without risks or perils , cannabis is a potent psychoactive drug that can irrevocably disrupt neurological brain chemistry , especially in the young or vulnerable.
It's incredibly cynical and populist imo on the lib Dems part to disregard all available evidence relating to this just to court a few votes and vacuously pledge to legalise.
Certainly it should be legalised for medicinal use and prescribed under the supervision of medical professionals - it has proven pain relief and antiepileptic benefits.
It is a very potent drug that has the potential of causing many problems?. It's no longer the hippy drug of the 60s.. it's considerable much more potent (various studies have shown this).
I'll have to respectfully agree to disagree with many of you as a consequence.
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What age did the two people from your peer group start using it? Before or after 25? |
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"I appreciate the replies from those with differing views , my opinion isn't based solely on anecdotal evidence from a largely obscure medical journal (to an average lay person not working with the medical professional).
Two people from my peer group whom I grew up alongside developed long term psychiatric disorders through use of it. Cannabis is a potent drug that has many legitimate applications if prescribed under medical supervision - but available recreationally? without checks or safeguards?
Disaster waiting to happen on a grand scale. I'm not arguing other drugs legally available and used recreationally are safer or without risks or perils , cannabis is a potent psychoactive drug that can irrevocably disrupt neurological brain chemistry , especially in the young or vulnerable.
It's incredibly cynical and populist imo on the lib Dems part to disregard all available evidence relating to this just to court a few votes and vacuously pledge to legalise.
Certainly it should be legalised for medicinal use and prescribed under the supervision of medical professionals - it has proven pain relief and antiepileptic benefits.
It is a very potent drug that has the potential of causing many problems?. It's no longer the hippy drug of the 60s.. it's considerable much more potent (various studies have shown this).
I'll have to respectfully agree to disagree with many of you as a consequence.
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ive met quite a few people with pschiatric problems and they didnt doesnt even touch the stuff. i guess they had undelying problems, but with most drugs even foods peoplw have their intolerances and side effects.
to be honest its medicinal use outweighs its benefits than its recreational use. it opens up gateways in peoples beains that mybevdidnt exist beforw |
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"I appreciate the replies from those with differing views , my opinion isn't based solely on anecdotal evidence from a largely obscure medical journal (to an average lay person not working with the medical professional).
Two people from my peer group whom I grew up alongside developed long term psychiatric disorders through use of it. Cannabis is a potent drug that has many legitimate applications if prescribed under medical supervision - but available recreationally? without checks or safeguards?
Disaster waiting to happen on a grand scale. I'm not arguing other drugs legally available and used recreationally are safer or without risks or perils , cannabis is a potent psychoactive drug that can irrevocably disrupt neurological brain chemistry , especially in the young or vulnerable.
It's incredibly cynical and populist imo on the lib Dems part to disregard all available evidence relating to this just to court a few votes and vacuously pledge to legalise.
Certainly it should be legalised for medicinal use and prescribed under the supervision of medical professionals - it has proven pain relief and antiepileptic benefits.
It is a very potent drug that has the potential of causing many problems?. It's no longer the hippy drug of the 60s.. it's considerable much more potent (various studies have shown this).
I'll have to respectfully agree to disagree with many of you as a consequence.
What age did the two people from your peer group start using it? Before or after 25? "
Don't recall precisely... (15-18?) Both Teenagers. They've both developed life long conditions that will require medication and regular outpatient appointments to stabilise .
One of them confided in me the psychiatrist had commented there was a spike in her particular condition amongst her age bracket due to recreational abuse of cannabis . She wishes she'd never touched a dope!
Some seem far too glib, quick, permissive and flippant to dismiss the very real threat this "soft" drug poses . Not a prude by any means but so many are ignorant of the very real and devastating effects cannabis can reek given the opportunity.
It does have many legitimate medical applications and should be legalised for medicinal use under medical supervision.. on this don't object or disagree. |
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"I appreciate the replies from those with differing views , my opinion isn't based solely on anecdotal evidence from a largely obscure medical journal (to an average lay person not working with the medical professional).
Two people from my peer group whom I grew up alongside developed long term psychiatric disorders through use of it. Cannabis is a potent drug that has many legitimate applications if prescribed under medical supervision - but available recreationally? without checks or safeguards?
Disaster waiting to happen on a grand scale. I'm not arguing other drugs legally available and used recreationally are safer or without risks or perils , cannabis is a potent psychoactive drug that can irrevocably disrupt neurological brain chemistry , especially in the young or vulnerable.
It's incredibly cynical and populist imo on the lib Dems part to disregard all available evidence relating to this just to court a few votes and vacuously pledge to legalise.
Certainly it should be legalised for medicinal use and prescribed under the supervision of medical professionals - it has proven pain relief and antiepileptic benefits.
It is a very potent drug that has the potential of causing many problems?. It's no longer the hippy drug of the 60s.. it's considerable much more potent (various studies have shown this).
I'll have to respectfully agree to disagree with many of you as a consequence.
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We should ban alcohol by your reasoning because its rated the most dangerous drug more so than crack and herion and cocaine according to research published in the lancet. |
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"I appreciate the replies from those with differing views , my opinion isn't based solely on anecdotal evidence from a largely obscure medical journal (to an average lay person not working with the medical professional).
Two people from my peer group whom I grew up alongside developed long term psychiatric disorders through use of it. Cannabis is a potent drug that has many legitimate applications if prescribed under medical supervision - but available recreationally? without checks or safeguards?
Disaster waiting to happen on a grand scale. I'm not arguing other drugs legally available and used recreationally are safer or without risks or perils , cannabis is a potent psychoactive drug that can irrevocably disrupt neurological brain chemistry , especially in the young or vulnerable.
It's incredibly cynical and populist imo on the lib Dems part to disregard all available evidence relating to this just to court a few votes and vacuously pledge to legalise.
Certainly it should be legalised for medicinal use and prescribed under the supervision of medical professionals - it has proven pain relief and antiepileptic benefits.
It is a very potent drug that has the potential of causing many problems?. It's no longer the hippy drug of the 60s.. it's considerable much more potent (various studies have shown this).
I'll have to respectfully agree to disagree with many of you as a consequence.
What age did the two people from your peer group start using it? Before or after 25?
Don't recall precisely... (15-18?) Both Teenagers. They've both developed life long conditions that will require medication and regular outpatient appointments to stabilise .
One of them confided in me the psychiatrist had commented there was a spike in her particular condition amongst her age bracket due to recreational abuse of cannabis . She wishes she'd never touched a dope!
Some seem far too glib, quick, permissive and flippant to dismiss the very real threat this "soft" drug poses . Not a prude by any means but so many are ignorant of the very real and devastating effects cannabis can reek given the opportunity.
It does have many legitimate medical applications and should be legalised for medicinal use under medical supervision.. on this don't object or disagree."
What the medical evidence shows is that the dangers come from using it before you are 25. Just like alcohol will damage you before 18 because your liver and kidneys are not properly developed. |
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"I appreciate the replies from those with differing views , my opinion isn't based solely on anecdotal evidence from a largely obscure medical journal (to an average lay person not working with the medical professional).
Two people from my peer group whom I grew up alongside developed long term psychiatric disorders through use of it. Cannabis is a potent drug that has many legitimate applications if prescribed under medical supervision - but available recreationally? without checks or safeguards?
Disaster waiting to happen on a grand scale. I'm not arguing other drugs legally available and used recreationally are safer or without risks or perils , cannabis is a potent psychoactive drug that can irrevocably disrupt neurological brain chemistry , especially in the young or vulnerable.
It's incredibly cynical and populist imo on the lib Dems part to disregard all available evidence relating to this just to court a few votes and vacuously pledge to legalise.
Certainly it should be legalised for medicinal use and prescribed under the supervision of medical professionals - it has proven pain relief and antiepileptic benefits.
It is a very potent drug that has the potential of causing many problems?. It's no longer the hippy drug of the 60s.. it's considerable much more potent (various studies have shown this).
I'll have to respectfully agree to disagree with many of you as a consequence.
We should ban alcohol by your reasoning because its rated the most dangerous drug more so than crack and herion and cocaine according to research published in the lancet."
Alcohol can have health benefits, some beers are rich in b vitamins due to the grains used.. Guinness for example is said to have beneficial pro biotic properties to gut health.. red wine due to the grapes and the fermentation process? are rich in certain heart protecting anti oxidants.
Alcohol in all likelihood if it were subject to approval process many consumer foodstuffs are subject to wouldn't pass muster and make it to market.. it's a legacy product that has been consumed by Europeans for centuries and as a consequence is considered safe if consumed in moderation.
Tabacco is another legacy product slowly being priced out of existence, in 20 years time the tabacco industry will either have developed another tabacco alkaloid delivery device without the carcinogens and cancer causing effects or will be a thing of the past .
Your argument is specious. As I say I'm not a prude and I'm not disputing cannabis has many useful medicinal properties , it's also a potent psychoactive drug with potential to damage mental health irrevocably. I do agree it should be legalised for medical use and prescribed only under the supervision of qualified medical professionals who can weigh up the risks and benefits before giving to a individual patient with unique medical histories . |
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"I appreciate the replies from those with differing views , my opinion isn't based solely on anecdotal evidence from a largely obscure medical journal (to an average lay person not working with the medical professional).
Two people from my peer group whom I grew up alongside developed long term psychiatric disorders through use of it. Cannabis is a potent drug that has many legitimate applications if prescribed under medical supervision - but available recreationally? without checks or safeguards?
Disaster waiting to happen on a grand scale. I'm not arguing other drugs legally available and used recreationally are safer or without risks or perils , cannabis is a potent psychoactive drug that can irrevocably disrupt neurological brain chemistry , especially in the young or vulnerable.
It's incredibly cynical and populist imo on the lib Dems part to disregard all available evidence relating to this just to court a few votes and vacuously pledge to legalise.
Certainly it should be legalised for medicinal use and prescribed under the supervision of medical professionals - it has proven pain relief and antiepileptic benefits.
It is a very potent drug that has the potential of causing many problems?. It's no longer the hippy drug of the 60s.. it's considerable much more potent (various studies have shown this).
I'll have to respectfully agree to disagree with many of you as a consequence.
We should ban alcohol by your reasoning because its rated the most dangerous drug more so than crack and herion and cocaine according to research published in the lancet.
Alcohol can have health benefits, some beers are rich in b vitamins due to the grains used.. Guinness for example is said to have beneficial pro biotic properties to gut health.. red wine due to the grapes and the fermentation process? are rich in certain heart protecting anti oxidants.
Alcohol in all likelihood if it were subject to approval process many consumer foodstuffs are subject to wouldn't pass muster and make it to market.. it's a legacy product that has been consumed by Europeans for centuries and as a consequence is considered safe if consumed in moderation.
Tabacco is another legacy product slowly being priced out of existence, in 20 years time the tabacco industry will either have developed another tabacco alkaloid delivery device without the carcinogens and cancer causing effects or will be a thing of the past .
Your argument is specious. As I say I'm not a prude and I'm not disputing cannabis has many useful medicinal properties , it's also a potent psychoactive drug with potential to damage mental health irrevocably. I do agree it should be legalised for medical use and prescribed only under the supervision of qualified medical professionals who can weigh up the risks and benefits before giving to a individual patient with unique medical histories ."
Alcohol kills more teenagers than any drug in the UK.It can be connected with child abuse and r#pe and is a cause of violent assaults .Its far more damaging to family life and society in general than all other drugs and is a huge cost for the NHS. |
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"I appreciate the replies from those with differing views , my opinion isn't based solely on anecdotal evidence from a largely obscure medical journal (to an average lay person not working with the medical professional).
Two people from my peer group whom I grew up alongside developed long term psychiatric disorders through use of it. Cannabis is a potent drug that has many legitimate applications if prescribed under medical supervision - but available recreationally? without checks or safeguards?
Disaster waiting to happen on a grand scale. I'm not arguing other drugs legally available and used recreationally are safer or without risks or perils , cannabis is a potent psychoactive drug that can irrevocably disrupt neurological brain chemistry , especially in the young or vulnerable.
It's incredibly cynical and populist imo on the lib Dems part to disregard all available evidence relating to this just to court a few votes and vacuously pledge to legalise.
Certainly it should be legalised for medicinal use and prescribed under the supervision of medical professionals - it has proven pain relief and antiepileptic benefits.
It is a very potent drug that has the potential of causing many problems?. It's no longer the hippy drug of the 60s.. it's considerable much more potent (various studies have shown this).
I'll have to respectfully agree to disagree with many of you as a consequence.
We should ban alcohol by your reasoning because its rated the most dangerous drug more so than crack and herion and cocaine according to research published in the lancet.
Alcohol can have health benefits, some beers are rich in b vitamins due to the grains used.. Guinness for example is said to have beneficial pro biotic properties to gut health.. red wine due to the grapes and the fermentation process? are rich in certain heart protecting anti oxidants.
Alcohol in all likelihood if it were subject to approval process many consumer foodstuffs are subject to wouldn't pass muster and make it to market.. it's a legacy product that has been consumed by Europeans for centuries and as a consequence is considered safe if consumed in moderation.
Tabacco is another legacy product slowly being priced out of existence, in 20 years time the tabacco industry will either have developed another tabacco alkaloid delivery device without the carcinogens and cancer causing effects or will be a thing of the past .
Your argument is specious. As I say I'm not a prude and I'm not disputing cannabis has many useful medicinal properties , it's also a potent psychoactive drug with potential to damage mental health irrevocably. I do agree it should be legalised for medical use and prescribed only under the supervision of qualified medical professionals who can weigh up the risks and benefits before giving to a individual patient with unique medical histories .
Alcohol kills more teenagers than any drug in the UK.It can be connected with child abuse and r#pe and is a cause of violent assaults .Its far more damaging to family life and society in general than all other drugs and is a huge cost for the NHS."
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It's in the limp dem manifesto.
People will be able to grow it for own use. It will be on sale...controlled similar to alcohol (a much more potent and destructive drug statistically). |
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By *obka3Couple
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Alcohol kills more teenagers than any drug in the UK.It can be connected with child abuse and r#pe and is a cause of violent assaults .Its far more damaging to family life and society in general than all other drugs and is a huge cost for the NHS."
Where did you get that stat from?
I do agree that alchool is more destructive in a low level way though |
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"I appreciate the replies from those with differing views , my opinion isn't based solely on anecdotal evidence from a largely obscure medical journal (to an average lay person not working with the medical professional).
Two people from my peer group whom I grew up alongside developed long term psychiatric disorders through use of it. Cannabis is a potent drug that has many legitimate applications if prescribed under medical supervision - but available recreationally? without checks or safeguards?
Disaster waiting to happen on a grand scale. I'm not arguing other drugs legally available and used recreationally are safer or without risks or perils , cannabis is a potent psychoactive drug that can irrevocably disrupt neurological brain chemistry , especially in the young or vulnerable.
It's incredibly cynical and populist imo on the lib Dems part to disregard all available evidence relating to this just to court a few votes and vacuously pledge to legalise.
Certainly it should be legalised for medicinal use and prescribed under the supervision of medical professionals - it has proven pain relief and antiepileptic benefits.
It is a very potent drug that has the potential of causing many problems?. It's no longer the hippy drug of the 60s.. it's considerable much more potent (various studies have shown this).
I'll have to respectfully agree to disagree with many of you as a consequence.
We should ban alcohol by your reasoning because its rated the most dangerous drug more so than crack and herion and cocaine according to research published in the lancet.
Alcohol can have health benefits, some beers are rich in b vitamins due to the grains used.. Guinness for example is said to have beneficial pro biotic properties to gut health.. red wine due to the grapes and the fermentation process? are rich in certain heart protecting anti oxidants.
Alcohol in all likelihood if it were subject to approval process many consumer foodstuffs are subject to wouldn't pass muster and make it to market.. it's a legacy product that has been consumed by Europeans for centuries and as a consequence is considered safe if consumed in moderation.
Tabacco is another legacy product slowly being priced out of existence, in 20 years time the tabacco industry will either have developed another tabacco alkaloid delivery device without the carcinogens and cancer causing effects or will be a thing of the past .
Your argument is specious. As I say I'm not a prude and I'm not disputing cannabis has many useful medicinal properties , it's also a potent psychoactive drug with potential to damage mental health irrevocably. I do agree it should be legalised for medical use and prescribed only under the supervision of qualified medical professionals who can weigh up the risks and benefits before giving to a individual patient with unique medical histories ."
Where are you getting your "facts" from?
Are you aware the cannabis plants are as wide and varied as there brands and types of beers and alcoholic beverages? Take a look at seed stores in Colorado where scientific research into the herb is way, way ahead of anything else on this planet. Strains are available with all THC and virtually no CBD and everything in between to the other side of the spectrum.
You are making declarative statements that you insist are factual - and they are not, far from it.
Cannabis is not a powerful psochactive drug. It is in fact a naturally growing herb that exists in multiple strains that was used medicinally in this country and indeed across the world until the so called "war on drugs" indoctrinated generations of gullible people into believing black was white and right was wrong.
You sir, are plain wrong and cursory and very simple research will demonstrate that you are wrong.
If you want to quote the Lancet take a look at where cannabis comes in the list of "dangerous" drugs in the Lancet compared to alcohol and tobacco. |
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The ill effects of one thing do not negate the ill effects of another..
I've already said alcohol is a legacy product that far predates any rigorous consumer safety tests foodstuffs are presently subjected to before being legally authorised for general sale.
Tabacco is another legacy product that is slowly being priced and legislated out of existence..
I'm not going to defend alcohol beyond stating the obvious.. its an established legacy product, it's ill effects are extremely well known.. it's generally considered safe and even health promoting if consumed responsibly.
They're all different products that can't really be compared in any meaningful way beyond having a physiological effect on those who partake of them.
It's incredibly disingenuous and cynical to compare alcohol with cannabis. The UK is already in the midst of a damaging binge drinking and over eating epidemic, is adding legally available recreational cannabis to the mix?
People have their own strong opinions obviously on this issue, they're entitled to them but personally disagree with every case made for its legalisation for recreational use.
Medical use prescribed under the supervision of a qualified medical Dr would definitely get my vote though as I've said before, it's been found to be incredibly useful for those with certain chronic pain Conditions and certain types of epilepsy re reducing seizures significantly.
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I have some simple questions for both sides in this argument over whose facts are right and wrong.
Regardless of the facts, has prohibition worked? I would say no...
Has prohibition caused an increase in organised crime? I would say yes...
How many of the 85000+ prison inmates are incarcerated for drug related crimes? I believe the figure is over 50%...
How much do we spend annually attempting to eradicate the supply of illicit drugs?
Would it not be better to repeal all misuse of drugs laws, reduce our prison population by half, and redirect our resources into the NHS and caring for those with substance abuse issues rather than jailing them? Or is it more important to continue with an obviously failed policy because we all know someone who has had their life ruined as a result of substance abuse and our intolerance to the use of alkaloidal stimulants and narcotics? |
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"I have some simple questions for both sides in this argument over whose facts are right and wrong.
Regardless of the facts, has prohibition worked? I would say no...
Has prohibition caused an increase in organised crime? I would say yes...
How many of the 85000+ prison inmates are incarcerated for drug related crimes? I believe the figure is over 50%...
How much do we spend annually attempting to eradicate the supply of illicit drugs?
Would it not be better to repeal all misuse of drugs laws, reduce our prison population by half, and redirect our resources into the NHS and caring for those with substance abuse issues rather than jailing them? Or is it more important to continue with an obviously failed policy because we all know someone who has had their life ruined as a result of substance abuse and our intolerance to the use of alkaloidal stimulants and narcotics?"
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Your forgetting something, its not about ruined lifes, its about money!!!.
Just try to think for a minute about how much business is generated by drugs, security, alarms, insurance, police, courts, lawyers, social workers, customs officers, sniffer dogs... Then theres all the business from break ins and burglary like new replacement items, locks, broken doors, Windows..
Its one long giant business from start point to end point and nobody in government wants to break that little racket up |
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"I appreciate the replies from those with differing views , my opinion isn't based solely on anecdotal evidence from a largely obscure medical journal (to an average lay person not working with the medical professional).
Two people from my peer group whom I grew up alongside developed long term psychiatric disorders through use of it. Cannabis is a potent drug that has many legitimate applications if prescribed under medical supervision - but available recreationally? without checks or safeguards?
Disaster waiting to happen on a grand scale. I'm not arguing other drugs legally available and used recreationally are safer or without risks or perils , cannabis is a potent psychoactive drug that can irrevocably disrupt neurological brain chemistry , especially in the young or vulnerable.
It's incredibly cynical and populist imo on the lib Dems part to disregard all available evidence relating to this just to court a few votes and vacuously pledge to legalise.
Certainly it should be legalised for medicinal use and prescribed under the supervision of medical professionals - it has proven pain relief and antiepileptic benefits.
It is a very potent drug that has the potential of causing many problems?. It's no longer the hippy drug of the 60s.. it's considerable much more potent (various studies have shown this).
I'll have to respectfully agree to disagree with many of you as a consequence.
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Think my point was.. Its been made too strong and you could benefit from other weaker varieties and you need an age limit over the age of development before you legalise it. |
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"Your forgetting something, its not about ruined lifes, its about money!!!.
Just try to think for a minute about how much business is generated by drugs, security, alarms, insurance, police, courts, lawyers, social workers, customs officers, sniffer dogs... Then theres all the business from break ins and burglary like new replacement items, locks, broken doors, Windows..
Its one long giant business from start point to end point and nobody in government wants to break that little racket up"
Your as cynical as me and that really is saying something! |
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The beneficial health properties of cannabis can be extracted and bought online legally as cbd oil it's highly effective and doesn't give you the high associated with cannabis but extortionately expensive
The NHS have been trialling medi pen vapes for a while now I know I'd rather take cbd over opiates anyday |
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By *onyxptMan
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"I have some simple questions for both sides in this argument over whose facts are right and wrong.
Regardless of the facts, has prohibition worked? I would say no...
Has prohibition caused an increase in organised crime? I would say yes...
How many of the 85000+ prison inmates are incarcerated for drug related crimes? I believe the figure is over 50%...
How much do we spend annually attempting to eradicate the supply of illicit drugs?
Would it not be better to repeal all misuse of drugs laws, reduce our prison population by half, and redirect our resources into the NHS and caring for those with substance abuse issues rather than jailing them? Or is it more important to continue with an obviously failed policy because we all know someone who has had their life ruined as a result of substance abuse and our intolerance to the use of alkaloidal stimulants and narcotics?"
No prohibition does not work , and for those advocating it for alcohol , allow me to remind them of a little historical fact that proves that point !
Remember prohibition in the USA? The NPA or Volstead act or 18th amendment ?
From 1920 to 1933 prohibition was the cause of the rise of major organised crime , and the most violent period of the history of American civil society !
This is one mistake from our friends a cross the pond that serves as good example of what not to do ! |
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"The ill effects of one thing do not negate the ill effects of another..
I've already said alcohol is a legacy product that far predates any rigorous consumer safety tests foodstuffs are presently subjected to before being legally authorised for general sale.
Tabacco is another legacy product that is slowly being priced and legislated out of existence..
I'm not going to defend alcohol beyond stating the obvious.. its an established legacy product, it's ill effects are extremely well known.. it's generally considered safe and even health promoting if consumed responsibly.
They're all different products that can't really be compared in any meaningful way beyond having a physiological effect on those who partake of them.
It's incredibly disingenuous and cynical to compare alcohol with cannabis. The UK is already in the midst of a damaging binge drinking and over eating epidemic, is adding legally available recreational cannabis to the mix?
People have their own strong opinions obviously on this issue, they're entitled to them but personally disagree with every case made for its legalisation for recreational use.
Medical use prescribed under the supervision of a qualified medical Dr would definitely get my vote though as I've said before, it's been found to be incredibly useful for those with certain chronic pain Conditions and certain types of epilepsy re reducing seizures significantly.
My 2 pence worth."
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This is all true and yet really no different.
Let me put it another way alcohol can be made very strong but because its sold under license we can regulate its strength, sure there's nothing stopping somebody making their own super strong alcohol but really most people dont, lots of people can and do abuse the use of alcohol but most people dont, we regulate an age limit for consuming it and some kids get round it to use it, but most kids dont, in fact young kids today dont really do alcohol like older people do, the culture just changed a tad about ten years ago, go and see how many under 25s you see in pubs these days?.
Now I'll tell you the real all pervasive all corrupting drug in society.. Its called money  .
People kill for it, we blow up entire countrys for it, we kill the planet for it, MOST people cant get ENOUGH of it, they sacrifice their marriages and their families for more of it, its the number one reason for divorce and suicide and yet no... The REAL problems in this world is somebody getting high for awhile from smoking a natural plant and then feeling the need for a Mars bar!!
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Is it money or is it power and greed thats the narcotic maybe all three.While the situation is such we all play the game.Whoever dies with the most money wins . |
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