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No deal is better than a bad deal - or is it?
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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Seems PM May let her mask slip a little yesterday when she stated very clearly that the failure of these negotiations would result in great hardship.
Presumably no deal is going to be a fairly shit outcome then?
We should perhaps be thankful that 11 months down the line, the so called hard Brexit is something to be concerned about. Hopefully the fevered Brexiters will now stop crowing about how irrelevant a hard Brexit will be to the UK.
You heard it from the horses mouth (well the Prime Ministers) yesterday. Then again it could just be Project Fear revisited - she was after all a Remain voter! |
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over a year ago
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Doh. What she meant was the negotiations would fail and cause hardship if they were left in the hands of Corbyn, Farron, Sturgon et al. And she is correct |
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"Doh. What she meant was the negotiations would fail and cause hardship if they were left in the hands of Corbyn, Farron, Sturgon et al. And she is correct"
Are you her mouth piece/a mind reader now or has OP simply taken a snipped out of context, or has the wicked witch of the South been quizzed on it and clarified ? |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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How do you work that out?
No deal is surely a walk away from all commitments and obligations, no customs union and no single market. A worse relationship than Turkey has with the EU.
You are suggesting that anything that Sturgeon, Corbyn or Farron would negotiate would be worse than that? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Doh. What she meant was the negotiations would fail and cause hardship if they were left in the hands of Corbyn, Farron, Sturgon et al. And she is correct
Are you her mouth piece/a mind reader now or has OP simply taken a snipped out of context, or has the wicked witch of the South been quizzed on it and clarified ? "
No, what May said and meant was blindingly obvious |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How do you work that out?
No deal is surely a walk away from all commitments and obligations, no customs union and no single market. A worse relationship than Turkey has with the EU.
You are suggesting that anything that Sturgeon, Corbyn or Farron would negotiate would be worse than that? "
What? We are leaving the single market and the customs union, thats what we voted for. So who best to have in charge of negotiations? |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Doh. What she meant was the negotiations would fail and cause hardship if they were left in the hands of Corbyn, Farron, Sturgon et al. And she is correct
Are you her mouth piece/a mind reader now or has OP simply taken a snipped out of context, or has the wicked witch of the South been quizzed on it and clarified ?
No, what May said and meant was blindingly obvious"
Enlighten us then. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Doh. What she meant was the negotiations would fail and cause hardship if they were left in the hands of Corbyn, Farron, Sturgon et al. And she is correct
Are you her mouth piece/a mind reader now or has OP simply taken a snipped out of context, or has the wicked witch of the South been quizzed on it and clarified ?
No, what May said and meant was blindingly obvious
Enlighten us then."
I have |
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"How do you work that out?
No deal is surely a walk away from all commitments and obligations, no customs union and no single market. A worse relationship than Turkey has with the EU.
You are suggesting that anything that Sturgeon, Corbyn or Farron would negotiate would be worse than that?
What? We are leaving the single market and the customs union, thats what we voted for. So who best to have in charge of negotiations?"
Leaving the EU (and the single market) is what I voted for in the EU referendum. David Cameron and George Osborne on the Remain side said a vote to leave means leaving the single market. Michael Gove and Boris Johnson (among others) also said we should Leave the single market on the Leave campaign. I expect Theresa May and the government to deliver on the outcome of the EU referendum and I fully expect her to take us out of the single market into the bargain. |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Doh. What she meant was the negotiations would fail and cause hardship if they were left in the hands of Corbyn, Farron, Sturgon et al. And she is correct
Are you her mouth piece/a mind reader now or has OP simply taken a snipped out of context, or has the wicked witch of the South been quizzed on it and clarified ?
No, what May said and meant was blindingly obvious
Enlighten us then.
I have"
You didn't unless you truly believe that Corbyn, Farron and Sturgeon would negotiate a deal that would be worse than walking away from our obligations and commitments, leaving the single market and leaving the customs union.
What exactly would be worse than that? |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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"How do you work that out?
No deal is surely a walk away from all commitments and obligations, no customs union and no single market. A worse relationship than Turkey has with the EU.
You are suggesting that anything that Sturgeon, Corbyn or Farron would negotiate would be worse than that?
What? We are leaving the single market and the customs union, thats what we voted for. So who best to have in charge of negotiations?
Leaving the EU (and the single market) is what I voted for in the EU referendum. David Cameron and George Osborne on the Remain side said a vote to leave means leaving the single market. Michael Gove and Boris Johnson (among others) also said we should Leave the single market on the Leave campaign. I expect Theresa May and the government to deliver on the outcome of the EU referendum and I fully expect her to take us out of the single market into the bargain. "
Despite what she finally admitted to yesterday? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Doh. What she meant was the negotiations would fail and cause hardship if they were left in the hands of Corbyn, Farron, Sturgon et al. And she is correct
Are you her mouth piece/a mind reader now or has OP simply taken a snipped out of context, or has the wicked witch of the South been quizzed on it and clarified ?
No, what May said and meant was blindingly obvious
Enlighten us then.
I have
You didn't unless you truly believe that Corbyn, Farron and Sturgeon would negotiate a deal that would be worse than walking away from our obligations and commitments, leaving the single market and leaving the customs union.
What exactly would be worse than that?"
What obligations and commitments? The current cycle runs from 2014 to 2020, so we will just owe for 1 year after we've left. Staying in the customs union and single market would be worse than being out, when are you going to realise that? |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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Theresa May.... "while there is enormous opportunity for Britain as we leave the European Union, if we do not get this right, the consequences will be serious. And they will be felt by ordinary, working people across the country. This Brexit negotiation is central to everything."
I am not sure that there is any other way to interpret what she has said? |
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"Doh. What she meant was the negotiations would fail and cause hardship if they were left in the hands of Corbyn, Farron, Sturgon et al. And she is correct
Are you her mouth piece/a mind reader now or has OP simply taken a snipped out of context, or has the wicked witch of the South been quizzed on it and clarified ?
No, what May said and meant was blindingly obvious
Enlighten us then.
I have
You didn't unless you truly believe that Corbyn, Farron and Sturgeon would negotiate a deal that would be worse than walking away from our obligations and commitments, leaving the single market and leaving the customs union.
What exactly would be worse than that?"
Staying in the EU, in the single market and in the customs union as a fully paid up member with all the other EU shit that comes with it is worse. |
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"Theresa May.... "while there is enormous opportunity for Britain as we leave the European Union, if we do not get this right, the consequences will be serious. And they will be felt by ordinary, working people across the country. This Brexit negotiation is central to everything."
I am not sure that there is any other way to interpret what she has said?"
It's been made clear by Theresa May in numerous speeches. We leave the EU, leave the single market and the customs union and negotiate a free trade deal with the EU. The EU trade commissioner Cecilia Malstrom has already said in public on the record the UK will have a free trade deal with the EU "for sure" when Brexit is complete. |
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"Theresa May.... "while there is enormous opportunity for Britain as we leave the European Union, if we do not get this right, the consequences will be serious. And they will be felt by ordinary, working people across the country. This Brexit negotiation is central to everything."
I am not sure that there is any other way to interpret what she has said?"
The clear interpretation, according to CandM4U, is that there is nothing to worry about, there will be no consequences if this goes badly, there will be no possible repercussions for ordinary working people. Good guys win, bad guys lose and, as always, England prevails. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Doh. What she meant was the negotiations would fail and cause hardship if they were left in the hands of Corbyn, Farron, Sturgon et al. And she is correct
Are you her mouth piece/a mind reader now or has OP simply taken a snipped out of context, or has the wicked witch of the South been quizzed on it and clarified ?
No, what May said and meant was blindingly obvious
Enlighten us then.
I have
You didn't unless you truly believe that Corbyn, Farron and Sturgeon would negotiate a deal that would be worse than walking away from our obligations and commitments, leaving the single market and leaving the customs union.
What exactly would be worse than that?
Staying in the EU, in the single market and in the customs union as a fully paid up member with all the other EU shit that comes with it is worse. "
if there are no benefits in staying in the EU how did the UK become the 5 largest economy in the world by staying in the EU? How did the UK manage to prosper all these years? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Doh. What she meant was the negotiations would fail and cause hardship if they were left in the hands of Corbyn, Farron, Sturgon et al. And she is correct
Are you her mouth piece/a mind reader now or has OP simply taken a snipped out of context, or has the wicked witch of the South been quizzed on it and clarified ?
No, what May said and meant was blindingly obvious
Enlighten us then.
I have
You didn't unless you truly believe that Corbyn, Farron and Sturgeon would negotiate a deal that would be worse than walking away from our obligations and commitments, leaving the single market and leaving the customs union.
What exactly would be worse than that?
Staying in the EU, in the single market and in the customs union as a fully paid up member with all the other EU shit that comes with it is worse. if there are no benefits in staying in the EU how did the UK become the 5 largest economy in the world by staying in the EU? How did the UK manage to prosper all these years?"
The UK was the worlds 5th largest economy when it joined the EEC/EU And I suppose it depends what you mean by prosper. How much more might we have prospered outside? |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Doh. What she meant was the negotiations would fail and cause hardship if they were left in the hands of Corbyn, Farron, Sturgon et al. And she is correct
Are you her mouth piece/a mind reader now or has OP simply taken a snipped out of context, or has the wicked witch of the South been quizzed on it and clarified ?
No, what May said and meant was blindingly obvious
Enlighten us then.
I have
You didn't unless you truly believe that Corbyn, Farron and Sturgeon would negotiate a deal that would be worse than walking away from our obligations and commitments, leaving the single market and leaving the customs union.
What exactly would be worse than that?
Staying in the EU, in the single market and in the customs union as a fully paid up member with all the other EU shit that comes with it is worse. "
But we are not. A50 has been triggered. We will be out automatically in under 2 years.
I think what the OP is trying to say is given that we are going for hard Brexit and walking away from everything. Which is what will happen by default in 2 years, surely you could leave a pot
plant in charge of the negotiations? If we are walking away from everything then what is there to negotiate?
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"Doh. What she meant was the negotiations would fail and cause hardship if they were left in the hands of Corbyn, Farron, Sturgon et al. And she is correct
Are you her mouth piece/a mind reader now or has OP simply taken a snipped out of context, or has the wicked witch of the South been quizzed on it and clarified ?
No, what May said and meant was blindingly obvious"
Unfortunately your are trying to negotiate with those who are incapable and couldn't manage to figure a deal out if somebody did it for them. It's like chatting with TU reps from an ex nationalised business, plenty of bluster loads of statements on how fair life is, but lacking in solutions.
I use to manage guys like these, great at complaining, shite at actually getting on with it and actually delivering, if they had ever worked for themselves, they wouldn't have earned enough to keep a pet Hampster let alone a family and home |
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"Doh. What she meant was the negotiations would fail and cause hardship if they were left in the hands of Corbyn, Farron, Sturgon et al. And she is correct
Are you her mouth piece/a mind reader now or has OP simply taken a snipped out of context, or has the wicked witch of the South been quizzed on it and clarified ?
No, what May said and meant was blindingly obvious
Enlighten us then.
I have
You didn't unless you truly believe that Corbyn, Farron and Sturgeon would negotiate a deal that would be worse than walking away from our obligations and commitments, leaving the single market and leaving the customs union.
What exactly would be worse than that?
Staying in the EU, in the single market and in the customs union as a fully paid up member with all the other EU shit that comes with it is worse. if there are no benefits in staying in the EU how did the UK become the 5 largest economy in the world by staying in the EU? How did the UK manage to prosper all these years?"
We were a bigger economy pre saving the French Dutch and the rest of Europe on 2 separate occasions from the Germans, than we have ever been as part of the EU |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Doh. What she meant was the negotiations would fail and cause hardship if they were left in the hands of Corbyn, Farron, Sturgon et al. And she is correct
Are you her mouth piece/a mind reader now or has OP simply taken a snipped out of context, or has the wicked witch of the South been quizzed on it and clarified ?
No, what May said and meant was blindingly obvious
Enlighten us then.
I have
You didn't unless you truly believe that Corbyn, Farron and Sturgeon would negotiate a deal that would be worse than walking away from our obligations and commitments, leaving the single market and leaving the customs union.
What exactly would be worse than that?
Staying in the EU, in the single market and in the customs union as a fully paid up member with all the other EU shit that comes with it is worse. if there are no benefits in staying in the EU how did the UK become the 5 largest economy in the world by staying in the EU? How did the UK manage to prosper all these years?
We were a bigger economy pre saving the French Dutch and the rest of Europe on 2 separate occasions from the Germans, than we have ever been as part of the EU"
Those two posts are comedy gold. Especially if they are read in the order that you wrote them. |
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"Doh. What she meant was the negotiations would fail and cause hardship if they were left in the hands of Corbyn, Farron, Sturgon et al. And she is correct
Are you her mouth piece/a mind reader now or has OP simply taken a snipped out of context, or has the wicked witch of the South been quizzed on it and clarified ?
No, what May said and meant was blindingly obvious
Enlighten us then.
I have
You didn't unless you truly believe that Corbyn, Farron and Sturgeon would negotiate a deal that would be worse than walking away from our obligations and commitments, leaving the single market and leaving the customs union.
What exactly would be worse than that?
Staying in the EU, in the single market and in the customs union as a fully paid up member with all the other EU shit that comes with it is worse. if there are no benefits in staying in the EU how did the UK become the 5 largest economy in the world by staying in the EU? How did the UK manage to prosper all these years?
We were a bigger economy pre saving the French Dutch and the rest of Europe on 2 separate occasions from the Germans, than we have ever been as part of the EU"
Financing 2 world wars is expensive. Staying out of WW1 allowed America to go from having 25% of the worlds wealth to near 50%. |
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"Doh. What she meant was the negotiations would fail and cause hardship if they were left in the hands of Corbyn, Farron, Sturgon et al. And she is correct
Are you her mouth piece/a mind reader now or has OP simply taken a snipped out of context, or has the wicked witch of the South been quizzed on it and clarified ?
No, what May said and meant was blindingly obvious
Enlighten us then.
I have
You didn't unless you truly believe that Corbyn, Farron and Sturgeon would negotiate a deal that would be worse than walking away from our obligations and commitments, leaving the single market and leaving the customs union.
What exactly would be worse than that?
Staying in the EU, in the single market and in the customs union as a fully paid up member with all the other EU shit that comes with it is worse. if there are no benefits in staying in the EU how did the UK become the 5 largest economy in the world by staying in the EU? How did the UK manage to prosper all these years?
We were a bigger economy pre saving the French Dutch and the rest of Europe on 2 separate occasions from the Germans, than we have ever been as part of the EU
Financing 2 world wars is expensive. Staying out of WW1 allowed America to go from having 25% of the worlds wealth to near 50%."
I bet the 110,000 Americans who died in WW1 wish they'd known that 
America declared war on Germany in 1917. |
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