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"Spin it round. Can the EU afford for us not to pay something?" Yes, but uk still got obligations to pay it. | |||
"Of course we will pay it... The moment that it becomes obvious that the London financial services 'industry' market is about to loose it's largest single market and as a result is relocating the bill will be paid. Of course nothing will be done to stop manufacturing industries from relocating (because they mainly employ labour voters) unless they are large multinationals that can afford to give well paid second (low hours) 'careers' to Tory MP's and ex MP's."  | |||
"Of course we will pay it... The moment that it becomes obvious that the London financial services 'industry' market is about to loose it's largest single market and as a result is relocating the bill will be paid. Of course nothing will be done to stop manufacturing industries from relocating (because they mainly employ labour voters) unless they are large multinationals that can afford to give well paid second (low hours) 'careers' to Tory MP's and ex MP's." You think manufacturing industries mainly employ labour voters? You are deluded and living in the past | |||
"You think manufacturing industries mainly employ labour voters? You are deluded and living in the past" Of course your right... Labour's core constituency are the merchant bankers, accountants, traders, business men, civil servants and the like that can be seen flooding into London in their hundreds of thousands on Network South East sardine cans from the commuter belt every weekday morning...  | |||
"Before talks begin they have to agree on the exit bill, merkel said may is deluded if she thinks it will be an easy ride, whats your view, will they pay it?" . Thats one of the things that annoys me about the EU. Junker meets may, junker lays down demands of the "EU" junker then phones Merkel to tell her how it's going.. Wtf Since when has Merkel been the EU | |||
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"Before talks begin they have to agree on the exit bill, merkel said may is deluded if she thinks it will be an easy ride, whats your view, will they pay it?. Thats one of the things that annoys me about the EU. Junker meets may, junker lays down demands of the "EU" junker then phones Merkel to tell her how it's going.. Wtf Since when has Merkel been the EU" Many see the EU as being driven by Germany. Do ALL the EU members meet their financial obligations in all aspects of their Goverment? | |||
"You think manufacturing industries mainly employ labour voters? You are deluded and living in the past Of course your right... Labour's core constituency are the merchant bankers, accountants, traders, business men, civil servants and the like that can be seen flooding into London in their hundreds of thousands on Network South East sardine cans from the commuter belt every weekday morning... "And they are enough to wipe Labour off the map are they? Like I say you are living in the past, Labour no longer have a core constituency. Unless you count the young idealogues and the middle class virtue seekers | |||
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"Of course we will pay it... The moment that it becomes obvious that the London financial services 'industry' market is about to loose it's largest single market and as a result is relocating the bill will be paid. Of course nothing will be done to stop manufacturing industries from relocating (because they mainly employ labour voters) unless they are large multinationals that can afford to give well paid second (low hours) 'careers' to Tory MP's and ex MP's." I think you will find londons largest markets are based in Asia, not Europe Most of Europe is broke or never ever had any money in the 1st place | |||
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"Of course we will pay it... The moment that it becomes obvious that the London financial services 'industry' market is about to loose it's largest single market and as a result is relocating the bill will be paid. Of course nothing will be done to stop manufacturing industries from relocating (because they mainly employ labour voters) unless they are large multinationals that can afford to give well paid second (low hours) 'careers' to Tory MP's and ex MP's." Because, as we all know, no companies relocated to the EU before the referendum, did they? | |||
"Of course we will pay it... The moment that it becomes obvious that the London financial services 'industry' market is about to loose it's largest single market and as a result is relocating the bill will be paid. Of course nothing will be done to stop manufacturing industries from relocating (because they mainly employ labour voters) unless they are large multinationals that can afford to give well paid second (low hours) 'careers' to Tory MP's and ex MP's. You think manufacturing industries mainly employ labour voters? You are deluded and living in the past" My constituency Cannock Chase in the West Midlands used to be a Labour stronghold up until 2010 when there was a large swing towards the Tories here and the Conservative candidate won the seat. The Conservatives held the seat in 2015. I think at this general election you are going to see traditional Labour voters deserting the Labour party all over the country in droves. | |||
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"Of course the UK will pay the bill because they have no choice. Its what people have been saying for months. Britain has near zero leverage in these negotiations. May cant even get the EU to discuss issues when she wants to discuss them. Thats why the rights of UK citizens in the EU (and vice versa) havent been resolved even though she's been pushing for months to get it to the front of the queue. The exit fee will be decided upon and the UK has to pay it. Thats the way it works. And Brexit is not going to be an easy ride because the EU have all the leverage and Brexit has to be ao bad that no other country will want to leave. The EU want Brexit to be the cautionary tale to the rest of Europe and youre just understanding the situation if you think different." It comes to something when a club has to try and punish a member that wants to leave to stop others from doing the same, if the club is so great why the need to stop others surely other new potential members should be queuing up to join, oh they are its just poor ones and they want the free ride, some of the better off members want a better deal not to be giving their hard earned cash to free loaders, typical socialist thinking take from those that create wealth and give it away to those that dont | |||
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"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products " Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy." | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy." How are Irish meat sales to the Co-Op doing? | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. How are Irish meat sales to the Co-Op doing?" The tuna have already gone up in price, some are £5, from £3.50, so instead I get more chicken. | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. How are Irish meat sales to the Co-Op doing?" Doing just fine. If Ireland gets even part of the EU market that the UK has we'll be doing even better. 30% of British farms would be in negative income without EU subsidies. 62% of UK food and drink exports go to the EU. How are you going to replace the lost sales, lost subsidies and provide welfare for people who lose their jobs? Especially ince youve paid off this divorce bill of yours? | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. How are Irish meat sales to the Co-Op doing?The tuna have already gone up in price, some are £5, from £3.50, so instead I get more chicken." Don't worry, when we are out of the EU tuna will get cheaper 
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"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy." We'd still trade with the EU but on WTO rules if we have no deal. | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. How are Irish meat sales to the Co-Op doing?The tuna have already gone up in price, some are £5, from £3.50, so instead I get more chicken. Don't worry, when we are out of the EU tuna will get cheaper
Bonus! We'll be fit "It depends where you are, cos tuna is very cheap in spain  | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products " Oh dear... It is mind blowing that comments like this get made at this late stage. | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy." As a leave voter and a Brexit supporter I'd be very happy with no deal. Complete clean break with the EU, and as the House of Lords committee said in the event of no deal then legally the UK is not obliged to pay the EU a single penny upon leaving. We can then also immediately start signing the free trade deals all around the world with the many, many countries that are already queuing up to do deals with us so EU trade can be replaced in the UK with trade from elsewhere. Even in the event of no trade deal, trade still occurs between countries anyway. | |||
" We'd still trade with the EU but on WTO rules if we have no deal." Which British tariff laden products do you think would still sell in the EU when the vast majority of those products are readily available tariff free from other EU countries? This is the nonsense of David Davis pledge that the deal will be the same or better and that Brexit will be a success. He is manifestly wrong on both counts AND he is the fuckwit heading up team Brexit. | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. How are Irish meat sales to the Co-Op doing? Doing just fine. If Ireland gets even part of the EU market that the UK has we'll be doing even better. 30% of British farms would be in negative income without EU subsidies. 62% of UK food and drink exports go to the EU. How are you going to replace the lost sales, lost subsidies and provide welfare for people who lose their jobs? Especially ince youve paid off this divorce bill of yours?" EU subsidies,... that would be UK taxpayers money then. It's UK taxpayers money that we give to the EU and then the EU hands it back to us and tells us how to spend it. All we need to do is cut out the EU middle man and pay those subsidies to the 30% of British farms you quoted ourselves. | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. How are Irish meat sales to the Co-Op doing?The tuna have already gone up in price, some are £5, from £3.50, so instead I get more chicken. Don't worry, when we are out of the EU tuna will get cheaper
Bonus! We'll be fit It depends where you are, cos tuna is very cheap in spain "True. So is swordfish, love that when I'm there
But most tuna comes from the Pacific I think so we should get it cheaper if we by pass the EU | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. As a leave voter and a Brexit supporter I'd be very happy with no deal. Complete clean break with the EU, and as the House of Lords committee said in the event of no deal then legally the UK is not obliged to pay the EU a single penny upon leaving. We can then also immediately start signing the free trade deals all around the world with the many, many countries that are already queuing up to do deals with us so EU trade can be replaced in the UK with trade from elsewhere. Even in the event of no trade deal, trade still occurs between countries anyway. " Fair enough comment, and the way to go. Dave Davis seems to be coping well | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. As a leave voter and a Brexit supporter I'd be very happy with no deal. Complete clean break with the EU, and as the House of Lords committee said in the event of no deal then legally the UK is not obliged to pay the EU a single penny upon leaving. We can then also immediately start signing the free trade deals all around the world with the many, many countries that are already queuing up to do deals with us so EU trade can be replaced in the UK with trade from elsewhere. Even in the event of no trade deal, trade still occurs between countries anyway. " Immediately start signing trade deals all around the world ??? WTF! Centaur, you don't just buy trade deals off the shelf from Tesco's and pack'em in a suitcase and fly around the world getting autographs on them 
They take a long bloody time to do.
I'm all for leavers & remainers putting their opinions forward for a good debate but when you start stating cloud cuckoo nonsense as if it's fact then you quickly start loosing all credibility for your views and those of the side you voted for. | |||
"100 billion is a good starting position for the EU .Then may can come home and say i knocked them down by 20 to 40 billion and then everyone applauds her.Reminds me of a carpet i once haggled over in Istanbul. "Just so that no one loses sight of what this is all about... Pensions for retired British MEP's (estimated €60 billion) Forward looking EU financial commitments already agreed by the UK and EU (estimated €40 billion) The UK would have a tough job not paying for the financial commitments it has already made but let's say the UK refused to pay part of this and the EU then refused to pay the pensions of retired MEP's. Then what? My take is that the British Govt would still end up paying most, if not all of the Brexit bill by the back door. | |||
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" We'd still trade with the EU but on WTO rules if we have no deal. Which British tariff laden products do you think would still sell in the EU when the vast majority of those products are readily available tariff free from other EU countries? This is the nonsense of David Davis pledge that the deal will be the same or better and that Brexit will be a success. He is manifestly wrong on both counts AND he is the fuckwit heading up team Brexit." That of course works both ways. Would Brits still buy German motorcars like BMW's, Mercs, Audi's, VW's and Porsche's if WTO tariffs apply or would they buy cheaper British made cars or cars from countries outside of the EU we will have free trade deals with (I'm sure Donald Trump would love to take a large slice of the UK car market away from Merkel). Don't think German workers who depend on UK trade for their jobs would be too happy with that. The same can be applied to niche industries in France, Italy, etc, all over the EU. | |||
" We'd still trade with the EU but on WTO rules if we have no deal. Which British tariff laden products do you think would still sell in the EU when the vast majority of those products are readily available tariff free from other EU countries? This is the nonsense of David Davis pledge that the deal will be the same or better and that Brexit will be a success. He is manifestly wrong on both counts AND he is the fuckwit heading up team Brexit." I wasn't pointing out the percentages of WTO tariffs I was remarking on the quote that we'd lose 50% or so of trade, which is incorrect | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. As a leave voter and a Brexit supporter I'd be very happy with no deal. Complete clean break with the EU, and as the House of Lords committee said in the event of no deal then legally the UK is not obliged to pay the EU a single penny upon leaving. We can then also immediately start signing the free trade deals all around the world with the many, many countries that are already queuing up to do deals with us so EU trade can be replaced in the UK with trade from elsewhere. Even in the event of no trade deal, trade still occurs between countries anyway. Immediately start signing trade deals all around the world ??? WTF! Centaur, you don't just buy trade deals off the shelf from Tesco's and pack'em in a suitcase and fly around the world getting autographs on them
They take a long bloody time to do.
I'm all for leavers & remainers putting their opinions forward for a good debate but when you start stating cloud cuckoo nonsense as if it's fact then you quickly start loosing all credibility for your views and those of the side you voted for."What do you think international trade secretary Liam Fox has been doing for the last 10 months then? He's not been jetting all over the world on sight seeing jollies that's for sure. | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. As a leave voter and a Brexit supporter I'd be very happy with no deal. Complete clean break with the EU, and as the House of Lords committee said in the event of no deal then legally the UK is not obliged to pay the EU a single penny upon leaving. We can then also immediately start signing the free trade deals all around the world with the many, many countries that are already queuing up to do deals with us so EU trade can be replaced in the UK with trade from elsewhere. Even in the event of no trade deal, trade still occurs between countries anyway. Immediately start signing trade deals all around the world ??? WTF! Centaur, you don't just buy trade deals off the shelf from Tesco's and pack'em in a suitcase and fly around the world getting autographs on them
They take a long bloody time to do.
I'm all for leavers & remainers putting their opinions forward for a good debate but when you start stating cloud cuckoo nonsense as if it's fact then you quickly start loosing all credibility for your views and those of the side you voted for.
What do you think international trade secretary Liam Fox has been doing for the last 10 months then? He's not been jetting all over the world on sight seeing jollies that's for sure. "I also think you are looking at the EU trade deal timescale of 'years'. Many of the countries who are queuing up to do trade deals with us want bilateral trade deals on a 1 to 1 country basis. These can be done much quicker in a matter of months, it's already been done some of Australia's trade deals have taken months not years. | |||
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"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. How are Irish meat sales to the Co-Op doing?The tuna have already gone up in price, some are £5, from £3.50, so instead I get more chicken. Don't worry, when we are out of the EU tuna will get cheaper
Bonus! We'll be fit It depends where you are, cos tuna is very cheap in spain
True. So is swordfish, love that when I'm there
But most tuna comes from the Pacific I think so we should get it cheaper if we by pass the EU "Yes and swordfish, we will see how the prices changes. I reckon eu might have a deal with those working in the pacific | |||
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"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. How are Irish meat sales to the Co-Op doing?The tuna have already gone up in price, some are £5, from £3.50, so instead I get more chicken. Don't worry, when we are out of the EU tuna will get cheaper
Bonus! We'll be fit It depends where you are, cos tuna is very cheap in spain
True. So is swordfish, love that when I'm there
But most tuna comes from the Pacific I think so we should get it cheaper if we by pass the EU Yes and swordfish, we will see how the prices changes. I reckon eu might have a deal with those working in the pacific "Tuna prices are on the way up. Extinction does that to a food source . | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. As a leave voter and a Brexit supporter I'd be very happy with no deal. Complete clean break with the EU, and as the House of Lords committee said in the event of no deal then legally the UK is not obliged to pay the EU a single penny upon leaving. We can then also immediately start signing the free trade deals all around the world with the many, many countries that are already queuing up to do deals with us so EU trade can be replaced in the UK with trade from elsewhere. Even in the event of no trade deal, trade still occurs between countries anyway. " Funny thing is though pal, there is currently a quiet row going on in the civil service departments regarding health, food quality and import facilities regarding imports such as food in the event of a 'no deal' situation. The reality is that we are an island of consumers, hence why we import so much, but we like our food to be safe and tested to be safe and regulated. Already we are having an issue with the likes of importing, beef, lamb, pork and chicken from the USA and Australia, as something people fail to mention is that of these food products 80% from America and 65% from OZ are fed and raised on steroids and antibiotics, in this country the prior in food are banned and the latter are heavily regulated. In short the government is unlikely to want to reduce consumer rights and food standards, and the consumer are unlikely to want to eat steroid fed animals given the health risks. On the issue of fruit, veg and grains which we import heavily all year round, the latin american and african markets which many pro-brexit MEP's suggest we could have accessed have the same issues, except with problems based around excessive pesticide use and growing on unassessed land. This once again raises the same regulatory and food standard issues. Given that we are a huge consumer nation and we would struggle to feed our own nation without trade, I find it rather ridiculous that some politicians are only just waking up to the reality of deregulating food healthy standards to make brexit work, or import only the organic certified food which matches our standards, which of course will not cut down the working man and woman's grocery shop. | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. How are Irish meat sales to the Co-Op doing?The tuna have already gone up in price, some are £5, from £3.50, so instead I get more chicken. Don't worry, when we are out of the EU tuna will get cheaper
Bonus! We'll be fit It depends where you are, cos tuna is very cheap in spain
True. So is swordfish, love that when I'm there
But most tuna comes from the Pacific I think so we should get it cheaper if we by pass the EU Yes and swordfish, we will see how the prices changes. I reckon eu might have a deal with those working in the pacific Tuna prices are on the way up. Extinction does that to a food source . "That is right too and yeah it is on the verge of extinction. | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. How are Irish meat sales to the Co-Op doing?The tuna have already gone up in price, some are £5, from £3.50, so instead I get more chicken. Don't worry, when we are out of the EU tuna will get cheaper
Bonus! We'll be fit It depends where you are, cos tuna is very cheap in spain
True. So is swordfish, love that when I'm there
But most tuna comes from the Pacific I think so we should get it cheaper if we by pass the EU Yes and swordfish, we will see how the prices changes. I reckon eu might have a deal with those working in the pacific Tuna prices are on the way up. Extinction does that to a food source . "Nope its the Mercury Content that adds Value | |||
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"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. How are Irish meat sales to the Co-Op doing?The tuna have already gone up in price, some are £5, from £3.50, so instead I get more chicken. Don't worry, when we are out of the EU tuna will get cheaper
Bonus! We'll be fit It depends where you are, cos tuna is very cheap in spain
True. So is swordfish, love that when I'm there
But most tuna comes from the Pacific I think so we should get it cheaper if we by pass the EU "We already do get tuna from non-eu countries. If I recall John West Foods (I believe the Uk's most popular seafood brand name) is owned by the thai union group, which is based in thailand - guess which Oceans they harvest the Tuna and shrimps from? | |||
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"Mad cow disease? Continued eating UK and Irish beef no problems" Do you not remember the hills of cow corpses getting burnt? The reason our meat was kept safe was due to stringent regulation and a no exceptions policy. | |||
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"100 billion is a good starting position for the EU .Then may can come home and say i knocked them down by 20 to 40 billion and then everyone applauds her.Reminds me of a carpet i once haggled over in Istanbul.
Just so that no one loses sight of what this is all about...
Pensions for retired British MEP's (estimated €60 billion)
Forward looking EU financial commitments already agreed by the UK and EU (estimated €40 billion)
The UK would have a tough job not paying for the financial commitments it has already made but let's say the UK refused to pay part of this and the EU then refused to pay the pensions of retired MEP's. Then what?
My take is that the British Govt would still end up paying most, if not all of the Brexit bill by the back door."Pensions for retired British MEP's alone £60 billion? How can anyone say the EU is anything more than a gravy train? What a waste of taxpayers money | |||
"100 billion is a good starting position for the EU .Then may can come home and say i knocked them down by 20 to 40 billion and then everyone applauds her.Reminds me of a carpet i once haggled over in Istanbul.
Just so that no one loses sight of what this is all about...
Pensions for retired British MEP's (estimated €60 billion)
Forward looking EU financial commitments already agreed by the UK and EU (estimated €40 billion)
The UK would have a tough job not paying for the financial commitments it has already made but let's say the UK refused to pay part of this and the EU then refused to pay the pensions of retired MEP's. Then what?
My take is that the British Govt would still end up paying most, if not all of the Brexit bill by the back door.
Pensions for retired British MEP's alone £60 billion? How can anyone say the EU is anything more than a gravy train? What a waste of taxpayers money "Look at the positives.There will be no more British MEP's jumping aboard the train. Although that figure is staggeringly massive for brits alone.  | |||
"Mad cow disease? Continued eating UK and Irish beef no problems Do you not remember the hills of cow corpses getting burnt? The reason our meat was kept safe was due to stringent regulation and a no exceptions policy. " No the pyres were foot and mouth not BSE, cows with that were incinerated | |||
" We'd still trade with the EU but on WTO rules if we have no deal. Which British tariff laden products do you think would still sell in the EU when the vast majority of those products are readily available tariff free from other EU countries? This is the nonsense of David Davis pledge that the deal will be the same or better and that Brexit will be a success. He is manifestly wrong on both counts AND he is the fuckwit heading up team Brexit. That of course works both ways. Would Brits still buy German motorcars like BMW's, Mercs, Audi's, VW's and Porsche's if WTO tariffs apply or would they buy cheaper British made cars or cars from countries outside of the EU we will have free trade deals with (I'm sure Donald Trump would love to take a large slice of the UK car market away from Merkel). Don't think German workers who depend on UK trade for their jobs would be too happy with that. The same can be applied to niche industries in France, Italy, etc, all over the EU. " What British made cars would they be? | |||
"Plus the fact Brussels want us to take in approximately 3 million more (relatives of Europeans already here) to encroach on our services nhs etc. why argue for a soft brexit. " Are you happy to abandon our expats then? | |||
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" We'd still trade with the EU but on WTO rules if we have no deal. Which British tariff laden products do you think would still sell in the EU when the vast majority of those products are readily available tariff free from other EU countries? This is the nonsense of David Davis pledge that the deal will be the same or better and that Brexit will be a success. He is manifestly wrong on both counts AND he is the fuckwit heading up team Brexit. That of course works both ways. Would Brits still buy German motorcars like BMW's, Mercs, Audi's, VW's and Porsche's if WTO tariffs apply or would they buy cheaper British made cars or cars from countries outside of the EU we will have free trade deals with (I'm sure Donald Trump would love to take a large slice of the UK car market away from Merkel). Don't think German workers who depend on UK trade for their jobs would be too happy with that. The same can be applied to niche industries in France, Italy, etc, all over the EU. " how many American cars do you see below 2 litre? How many UK families can afford a v6 or v8 petrol? Which is what most American cars are | |||
" What do you think international trade secretary Liam Fox has been doing for the last 10 months then? He's not been jetting all over the world on sight seeing jollies that's for sure. " The most basic of preliminary informal talks about the possibility of a future trade deal nothing more. Under our obligations we cannot start anything meaningful regarding trade talks with anyone yet until we have left the EU. We will not be "hiding" the fact that we are having anything noteworthy trade related discussions for a couple of reasons. Firstly trade talks requires large teams on both sides and the fact we were breaking our obligations to the EU if we had started anything noteworthy would get leaked out straight away. Secondly our lack of respect for pissing on our obligations not to conduct trade talks while in the EU would look quite bad to other countries we would be trying to court. Some trade agreements can take a few months to agree but then take longer to implement. Generally the smallest of trade agreements take a smaller amount of time and obviously not worth as much as larger agreements which take much longer. Then you have to look at "standards" across the board. Do we accept their standards which may well mean lowering ours to be able to trade? Will all these countries lining up to trade with us want easier movement access for their citizens to our country and vice-versa? India is likely to insist that freer movement of labour and students is an essential part of any bilateral free trade agreement between the two countries. Does that fit well with your version of Brexit ? Baring a small trade deal, all the above will probably be part of most of our trade deals to come and it'll take longer than a couple of months. | |||
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" We'd still trade with the EU but on WTO rules if we have no deal. Which British tariff laden products do you think would still sell in the EU when the vast majority of those products are readily available tariff free from other EU countries? This is the nonsense of David Davis pledge that the deal will be the same or better and that Brexit will be a success. He is manifestly wrong on both counts AND he is the fuckwit heading up team Brexit. That of course works both ways. Would Brits still buy German motorcars like BMW's, Mercs, Audi's, VW's and Porsche's if WTO tariffs apply or would they buy cheaper British made cars or cars from countries outside of the EU we will have free trade deals with (I'm sure Donald Trump would love to take a large slice of the UK car market away from Merkel). Don't think German workers who depend on UK trade for their jobs would be too happy with that. The same can be applied to niche industries in France, Italy, etc, all over the EU. What British made cars would they be?" British owned Morgan Motor Company Ltd (Aero 8, Plus 8, Roadster, Plus 4, 4/4, 3 wheeler) Caterham Cars Ltd (Seven) Mclaren Automotive (570S, 540C, 570GT, 650S, 675LT and P1) Made in Britain MINI – MINI, MINI Clubman and MINI Countryman, in Cowley, Oxford Honda – Civic and CR-V in Swindon Toyota – Auris, Auris hybrid and Avensis in Burnaston, Derbyshire Nissan – Juke, Qashqai, Note and Leaf and Infiniti Q30 in Sunderland, Tyne and Wear Lotus – Elise, Evora and Exige in Norfolk Aston Martin – DB9, Vantage, Rapide, Vanquish, and DB11 in Gaydon, Warwickshire Bentley Motors – Continental, Flying Spur and Mulsanne in Crewe, Cheshire Rolls Royce – Ghost and Wraith in Goodwood, West Sussex Jaguar – F-Pace and XE in Solihull, and F-type, XJ, XF and XE in Castle Bromwich, Birmingham Land Rover – Discovery Sport and Range Rover Evoque in Halewood, Merseyside, and Range Rover, Range Rover Sport and Land Rover Defender in Solihull, West Midlands Vauxhall – Astra at Ellesmere Port and Vivaro van in Luton Ford stopped building cars in the UK in 2002 and vans (Transits) in July 2013 but continues to manufacture engines in Bridgend and Dagenham and transmissions in Halewood. 11 January 2017 | |||
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"Before talks begin they have to agree on the exit bill, merkel said may is deluded if she thinks it will be an easy ride, whats your view, will they pay it?. Thats one of the things that annoys me about the EU. Junker meets may, junker lays down demands of the "EU" junker then phones Merkel to tell her how it's going.. Wtf Since when has Merkel been the EU" Since just about forever. It was a Germany that pushed for Greece joining the Euro...despite meeting none of the "criteria". It suited German industry to weaken the Euro. The whole concept of a unified, federal Europe, dominated by Germany, has been a German dream since 1914..... even more so from the 1930s.....and it continues now. The methods may be different, but the intended outcome is the same. | |||
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"Mclaren Automotive is 57% owned by Bahrain Mumtalakat Holding Company" in fairness... they may be owned by bahrain, but they are built at their uk factory.... | |||
"Nobody knows what it will cost to leave,yes there will be a price but that's ok,it was to be expected. It is a complicated business and anyone who thinks leaving will be simple and easy is an idiot.It will take at least 5 years to fully leave if people have not worked this out then they have not thought about it. I bet this is a major reason the election was called but you do not tell people this as they will panic." Your so right it's not a 5 minute job 5 years at least who no,s what is going to happen 90% of people in here seem to know well they think they do there just guessing So many lies from the referendum from the dick heads and there all still lying why do people get sucked in and believe all the crap | |||
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"Mad cow disease? Continued eating UK and Irish beef no problems Do you not remember the hills of cow corpses getting burnt? The reason our meat was kept safe was due to stringent regulation and a no exceptions policy. " Would that be the stringent regulation, food safety and no exceptions policy that despite being put in place Horse meat ended up being displayed and sold in supermarkets labelled as Beef? Well didn't do much good in that case only a couple of years ago did it. | |||
"The good news is we will save £13bn per year, so the exit payment will just be 7 years of absolutely zero benefit from the EU. So instead of having all that benefit from the EU we can pay almost a years NHS money for absolutely nothing! None of this was unexpected on leaving, the lies of the Brexit bus will not be forgotten. We do not save in the short to medium term by leaving. It is simply a hope that we will in the long term. I accept we are leaving, but we were conned :- o" perfect post your so correct | |||
"Of course the UK will pay the bill because they have no choice. Its what people have been saying for months. Britain has near zero leverage in these negotiations. May cant even get the EU to discuss issues when she wants to discuss them. Thats why the rights of UK citizens in the EU (and vice versa) havent been resolved even though she's been pushing for months to get it to the front of the queue. The exit fee will be decided upon and the UK has to pay it. Thats the way it works. And Brexit is not going to be an easy ride because the EU have all the leverage and Brexit has to be ao bad that no other country will want to leave. The EU want Brexit to be the cautionary tale to the rest of Europe and youre just understanding the situation if you think different." We can use the money we loaned Ireland to bail them out and pass it on to Merkel personal bank account, and order a few more bottles of Vin Riuge for the Juncker the piss head | |||
" We'd still trade with the EU but on WTO rules if we have no deal. Which British tariff laden products do you think would still sell in the EU when the vast majority of those products are readily available tariff free from other EU countries? This is the nonsense of David Davis pledge that the deal will be the same or better and that Brexit will be a success. He is manifestly wrong on both counts AND he is the fuckwit heading up team Brexit. That of course works both ways. Would Brits still buy German motorcars like BMW's, Mercs, Audi's, VW's and Porsche's if WTO tariffs apply or would they buy cheaper British made cars or cars from countries outside of the EU we will have free trade deals with (I'm sure Donald Trump would love to take a large slice of the UK car market away from Merkel). Don't think German workers who depend on UK trade for their jobs would be too happy with that. The same can be applied to niche industries in France, Italy, etc, all over the EU. What British made cars would they be? British owned Morgan Motor Company Ltd (Aero 8, Plus 8, Roadster, Plus 4, 4/4, 3 wheeler) Caterham Cars Ltd (Seven) Mclaren Automotive (570S, 540C, 570GT, 650S, 675LT and P1) Made in Britain MINI – MINI, MINI Clubman and MINI Countryman, in Cowley, Oxford Honda – Civic and CR-V in Swindon Toyota – Auris, Auris hybrid and Avensis in Burnaston, Derbyshire Nissan – Juke, Qashqai, Note and Leaf and Infiniti Q30 in Sunderland, Tyne and Wear Lotus – Elise, Evora and Exige in Norfolk Aston Martin – DB9, Vantage, Rapide, Vanquish, and DB11 in Gaydon, Warwickshire Bentley Motors – Continental, Flying Spur and Mulsanne in Crewe, Cheshire Rolls Royce – Ghost and Wraith in Goodwood, West Sussex Jaguar – F-Pace and XE in Solihull, and F-type, XJ, XF and XE in Castle Bromwich, Birmingham Land Rover – Discovery Sport and Range Rover Evoque in Halewood, Merseyside, and Range Rover, Range Rover Sport and Land Rover Defender in Solihull, West Midlands Vauxhall – Astra at Ellesmere Port and Vivaro van in Luton Ford stopped building cars in the UK in 2002 and vans (Transits) in July 2013 but continues to manufacture engines in Bridgend and Dagenham and transmissions in Halewood. 11 January 2017" Best vehicle engineering JCB uttoxeter staffordshire | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. As a leave voter and a Brexit supporter I'd be very happy with no deal. Complete clean break with the EU, and as the House of Lords committee said in the event of no deal then legally the UK is not obliged to pay the EU a single penny upon leaving. We can then also immediately start signing the free trade deals all around the world with the many, many countries that are already queuing up to do deals with us so EU trade can be replaced in the UK with trade from elsewhere. Even in the event of no trade deal, trade still occurs between countries anyway. " No one is queuing up at day one. | |||
"100 billion is a good starting position for the EU .Then may can come home and say i knocked them down by 20 to 40 billion and then everyone applauds her.Reminds me of a carpet i once haggled over in Istanbul.
Just so that no one loses sight of what this is all about...
Pensions for retired British MEP's (estimated €60 billion)
Forward looking EU financial commitments already agreed by the UK and EU (estimated €40 billion)
The UK would have a tough job not paying for the financial commitments it has already made but let's say the UK refused to pay part of this and the EU then refused to pay the pensions of retired MEP's. Then what?
My take is that the British Govt would still end up paying most, if not all of the Brexit bill by the back door.
Pensions for retired British MEP's alone £60 billion? How can anyone say the EU is anything more than a gravy train? What a waste of taxpayers money Look at the positives.There will be no more British MEP's jumping aboard the train. Although that figure is staggeringly massive for brits alone. "I think you'll find that it also covers the pensions of British staff working in EU institutions to. Does still seem quite high. | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. As a leave voter and a Brexit supporter I'd be very happy with no deal. Complete clean break with the EU, and as the House of Lords committee said in the event of no deal then legally the UK is not obliged to pay the EU a single penny upon leaving. We can then also immediately start signing the free trade deals all around the world with the many, many countries that are already queuing up to do deals with us so EU trade can be replaced in the UK with trade from elsewhere. Even in the event of no trade deal, trade still occurs between countries anyway. No one is queuing up at day one." Hahahahahahaha Your either,God or a member of the cabinet. If not,that's just complete mince. I fully understand how desperate,and frustrated Remainers must be feeling, But at least try to keep it plausible. | |||
"Before talks begin they have to agree on the exit bill, merkel said may is deluded if she thinks it will be an easy ride, whats your view, will they pay it?" Exit bill, my arse!!! With what we've (over)paid into their poxy club since joining, it's now DEFINITELY time to wave two fingers in their direction. If they want talks, then talk...typical EU politicians...twisting everything to suit themselves. We're leaving whether you like it or not, you won't change our minds by acting like children and trying to bully us...act like the supposedly grown-up representatives you claim to be, and lets make this whole process as painless as possible for ALL concerned. How difficult is THAT!!! We need to tell them to Foxtrot Oscar, and if they want to trade with us, then do it on equal terms. The only thing that DOES need to be put in place straight away, and could be done easily, is the future status of British nationals living in Europe, and that of Europeans living in Britain, to allow them to carry on with their lives. | |||
"Before talks begin they have to agree on the exit bill, merkel said may is deluded if she thinks it will be an easy ride, whats your view, will they pay it? Exit bill, my arse!!! With what we've (over)paid into their poxy club since joining, it's now DEFINITELY time to wave two fingers in their direction. If they want talks, then talk...typical EU politicians...twisting everything to suit themselves. We're leaving whether you like it or not, you won't change our minds by acting like children and trying to bully us...act like the supposedly grown-up representatives you claim to be, and lets make this whole process as painless as possible for ALL concerned. How difficult is THAT!!! We need to tell them to Foxtrot Oscar, and if they want to trade with us, then do it on equal terms. The only thing that DOES need to be put in place straight away, and could be done easily, is the future status of British nationals living in Europe, and that of Europeans living in Britain, to allow them to carry on with their lives." The British press are talking up these numbers and no/one else. You are swallowing the bullshit hook, line and sinker. Brainier said today very clearly and very widely reported. "There is no Brexit bill, there is no punishment. There is simply a need to settle the account" (which is still to be determined) | |||
"Before talks begin they have to agree on the exit bill, merkel said may is deluded if she thinks it will be an easy ride, whats your view, will they pay it? Exit bill, my arse!!! With what we've (over)paid into their poxy club since joining, it's now DEFINITELY time to wave two fingers in their direction. If they want talks, then talk...typical EU politicians...twisting everything to suit themselves. We're leaving whether you like it or not, you won't change our minds by acting like children and trying to bully us...act like the supposedly grown-up representatives you claim to be, and lets make this whole process as painless as possible for ALL concerned. How difficult is THAT!!! We need to tell them to Foxtrot Oscar, and if they want to trade with us, then do it on equal terms. The only thing that DOES need to be put in place straight away, and could be done easily, is the future status of British nationals living in Europe, and that of Europeans living in Britain, to allow them to carry on with their lives." But its the UK that want the talks, Juncker has said that its more likely than not (in his view) that the talks wont succeed. And the EU is working on making it as painless as possible for the EU. Because thats who they represent. No trade deal would be a slight inconvenience for the EU and would devestate the UK economy. ~50% of the UKs exports go to the EU. Tarriffs will make the UK much less competitive and exports will fall massively because consumers in the EU arent going to pay over the odds for British. The EU capping trade on UK exports will also put a ceiling on how British companies can export. The UK loses all its trading allowances for non EU countries. The only way to keep them or partially keep them is for the EU to voluntarilly give them up. Which if you tell us to "Foxtrot Oscar" we just won't do. The UK will have to renegotiate its WTO trading share since it has none of its own, that could take over 15 years if everyone pushes it through as normal. If the EU wants to slow walk that process it could take 25. The potential trade deals that the UK could do with other countries will take years to do. Yes Australia, for example, can do some trade deals in months. But these are additional trade agreements to bolster their current ones. The UK will be starting from scratch which means long and complicated and wide ranging agreements will be needed. The potential bilateral deals will also mean that the UK will be negotiating from a weaker standpoint. Theres a reason the Russia First and America First crowd want to see the EU fail and thats because the EU is a strong negotiator because of its size. The UK will be ~10% the size, 10% as powerful and 10% as strong in negotiations. In these bilateral deals for goods and services local producers (for example beef farmers) are going to be heavily against additional competition. Why should a local farmer want British Beef competing with his products if it can be avoided? So you'll have a massive political minefield to manouever through in each one of those deals. And you'll have to make massive concessions to get these deals over the line because you'll be in desperate need to get them done and the whole world knows it. Britain has gone from a strong voice in the largest trading bloc in the world and one of the strongest political organisations to a situation where your choice is to do the deal youre told to do or face financial ruin. Good work! | |||
"100 billion is a good starting position for the EU .Then may can come home and say i knocked them down by 20 to 40 billion and then everyone applauds her.Reminds me of a carpet i once haggled over in Istanbul.
Just so that no one loses sight of what this is all about...
Pensions for retired British MEP's (estimated €60 billion)
Forward looking EU financial commitments already agreed by the UK and EU (estimated €40 billion)
The UK would have a tough job not paying for the financial commitments it has already made but let's say the UK refused to pay part of this and the EU then refused to pay the pensions of retired MEP's. Then what?
My take is that the British Govt would still end up paying most, if not all of the Brexit bill by the back door.
Pensions for retired British MEP's alone £60 billion? How can anyone say the EU is anything more than a gravy train? What a waste of taxpayers money Look at the positives.There will be no more British MEP's jumping aboard the train. Although that figure is staggeringly massive for brits alone.
I think you'll find that it also covers the pensions of British staff working in EU institutions to. Does still seem quite high."I saw a report last night somewhere that it's for a total of 3,000 odd staff. If that's the right number, it works out at 20,000,000 per person. And yet UK pension rules are you can only have up to 1.25M in your own pension. | |||
"Mad cow disease? Continued eating UK and Irish beef no problems Do you not remember the hills of cow corpses getting burnt? The reason our meat was kept safe was due to stringent regulation and a no exceptions policy. Would that be the stringent regulation, food safety and no exceptions policy that despite being put in place Horse meat ended up being displayed and sold in supermarkets labelled as Beef? Well didn't do much good in that case only a couple of years ago did it." Was still safe to eat , yummy | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. As a leave voter and a Brexit supporter I'd be very happy with no deal. Complete clean break with the EU, and as the House of Lords committee said in the event of no deal then legally the UK is not obliged to pay the EU a single penny upon leaving. We can then also immediately start signing the free trade deals all around the world with the many, many countries that are already queuing up to do deals with us so EU trade can be replaced in the UK with trade from elsewhere. Even in the event of no trade deal, trade still occurs between countries anyway. No one is queuing up at day one." The government announced a couple of months ago 16 countries outside the EU are already in the queue for a trade deal with the UK. More have probably joined the queue since then. | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. How are Irish meat sales to the Co-Op doing?The tuna have already gone up in price, some are £5, from £3.50, so instead I get more chicken. Don't worry, when we are out of the EU tuna will get cheaper
Bonus! We'll be fit It depends where you are, cos tuna is very cheap in spain
True. So is swordfish, love that when I'm there
But most tuna comes from the Pacific I think so we should get it cheaper if we by pass the EU
We already do get tuna from non-eu countries.
If I recall John West Foods (I believe the Uk's most popular seafood brand name) is owned by the thai union group, which is based in thailand - guess which Oceans they harvest the Tuna and shrimps from?"I know we do. What tariffs do we have to pay as a member of the EU? | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. How are Irish meat sales to the Co-Op doing? Doing just fine. If Ireland gets even part of the EU market that the UK has we'll be doing even better. 30% of British farms would be in negative income without EU subsidies. 62% of UK food and drink exports go to the EU. How are you going to replace the lost sales, lost subsidies and provide welfare for people who lose their jobs? Especially ince youve paid off this divorce bill of yours?" Just fine? That's funny, I read that from now on they are only going to sell British meat and are urging other supermarkets to do the same | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. How are Irish meat sales to the Co-Op doing? Doing just fine. If Ireland gets even part of the EU market that the UK has we'll be doing even better. 30% of British farms would be in negative income without EU subsidies. 62% of UK food and drink exports go to the EU. How are you going to replace the lost sales, lost subsidies and provide welfare for people who lose their jobs? Especially ince youve paid off this divorce bill of yours? Just fine? That's funny, I read that from now on they are only going to sell British meat and are urging other supermarkets to do the same" Well sales of Irish meat to Britain are up 16% from last year. So obviously that campaigns working very well. | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. How are Irish meat sales to the Co-Op doing? Doing just fine. If Ireland gets even part of the EU market that the UK has we'll be doing even better. 30% of British farms would be in negative income without EU subsidies. 62% of UK food and drink exports go to the EU. How are you going to replace the lost sales, lost subsidies and provide welfare for people who lose their jobs? Especially ince youve paid off this divorce bill of yours? Just fine? That's funny, I read that from now on they are only going to sell British meat and are urging other supermarkets to do the same Well sales of Irish meat to Britain are up 16% from last year. So obviously that campaigns working very well." They have only just introduced it. But apart from that, if the EU don't get a free trade deal with the UK Ireland is f.cked as well you know. But never fear, they will | |||
" They have only just introduced it. But apart from that, if the EU don't get a free trade deal with the UK Ireland is f.cked as well you know. But never fear, they will "Ireland will be just fine with or without a deal. Once Britain leaves the only other English speaking country in the EU is Malta so we become a lot more attractive for FDI. And once Britains exports to the EU decrease it gives us the opportunity to expand our own. And we've already been lobbying hard for it. You may or may not have noticed that Irelands 3 key demands from the Brexit deal are all apart of the EUs key demands. We'll get what we want out of this deal or if theres no deal then we'll be positioned to become one of the key beneficiaries. | |||
" They have only just introduced it. But apart from that, if the EU don't get a free trade deal with the UK Ireland is f.cked as well you know. But never fear, they will
Ireland will be just fine with or without a deal. Once Britain leaves the only other English speaking country in the EU is Malta so we become a lot more attractive for FDI.
And once Britains exports to the EU decrease it gives us the opportunity to expand our own. And we've already been lobbying hard for it. You may or may not have noticed that Irelands 3 key demands from the Brexit deal are all apart of the EUs key demands. We'll get what we want out of this deal or if theres no deal then we'll be positioned to become one of the key beneficiaries."How do you type in your sleep? | |||
" They have only just introduced it. But apart from that, if the EU don't get a free trade deal with the UK Ireland is f.cked as well you know. But never fear, they will
Ireland will be just fine with or without a deal. Once Britain leaves the only other English speaking country in the EU is Malta so we become a lot more attractive for FDI.
And once Britains exports to the EU decrease it gives us the opportunity to expand our own. And we've already been lobbying hard for it. You may or may not have noticed that Irelands 3 key demands from the Brexit deal are all apart of the EUs key demands. We'll get what we want out of this deal or if theres no deal then we'll be positioned to become one of the key beneficiaries."Oh don't do our Dutch English speaking friends down
How many bankers have you managed to attract so far? | |||
" They have only just introduced it. But apart from that, if the EU don't get a free trade deal with the UK Ireland is f.cked as well you know. But never fear, they will
Ireland will be just fine with or without a deal. Once Britain leaves the only other English speaking country in the EU is Malta so we become a lot more attractive for FDI.
And once Britains exports to the EU decrease it gives us the opportunity to expand our own. And we've already been lobbying hard for it. You may or may not have noticed that Irelands 3 key demands from the Brexit deal are all apart of the EUs key demands. We'll get what we want out of this deal or if theres no deal then we'll be positioned to become one of the key beneficiaries.
Oh don't do our Dutch English speaking friends down
How many bankers have you managed to attract so far? "Well lets look at what the Central Bank said just today: “The Central Bank has received a large number of Brexit-related authorisation enquiries from across all sectors, including banks,” Well look at that. It seems like we are getting the enquiries which start the process. http://m.independent.ie/business/brexit/a-fifth-of-eu-banking-may-shift-to-ireland-after-brexit-35432585.html And the EUs own reports say that Frankfurt and Paris will be the main beneficiaries but that Dublin will also benefit with billions being poured into our economy. Serious question for Brexiters: Is it embarrassing or frustrating that you keep getting proved wrong about the effects of Brexit? At the start no banks were going to leave, now some banks have already left and more are beginning the process. At the start you were going to keep access to the common market and now youre not. You werent going to be paying any divorce bill and now of you want trade you have to. Is there a point at which you realise that the basis of your opinions are faulty? Or do you just keep on being wrong about whats happening and pretending its all going to be ok? | |||
" They have only just introduced it. But apart from that, if the EU don't get a free trade deal with the UK Ireland is f.cked as well you know. But never fear, they will
Ireland will be just fine with or without a deal. Once Britain leaves the only other English speaking country in the EU is Malta so we become a lot more attractive for FDI.
And once Britains exports to the EU decrease it gives us the opportunity to expand our own. And we've already been lobbying hard for it. You may or may not have noticed that Irelands 3 key demands from the Brexit deal are all apart of the EUs key demands. We'll get what we want out of this deal or if theres no deal then we'll be positioned to become one of the key beneficiaries.
Oh don't do our Dutch English speaking friends down
How many bankers have you managed to attract so far?
Well lets look at what the Central Bank said just today:
“The Central Bank has received a large number of Brexit-related authorisation enquiries from across all sectors, including banks,”
Well look at that. It seems like we are getting the enquiries which start the process.
http://m.independent.ie/business/brexit/a-fifth-of-eu-banking-may-shift-to-ireland-after-brexit-35432585.html
And the EUs own reports say that Frankfurt and Paris will be the main beneficiaries but that Dublin will also benefit with billions being poured into our economy.
Serious question for Brexiters: Is it embarrassing or frustrating that you keep getting proved wrong about the effects of Brexit?
At the start no banks were going to leave, now some banks have already left and more are beginning the process. At the start you were going to keep access to the common market and now youre not. You werent going to be paying any divorce bill and now of you want trade you have to.
Is there a point at which you realise that the basis of your opinions are faulty? Or do you just keep on being wrong about whats happening and pretending its all going to be ok?"We know that some jobs will leave these shores but most banks are preparing to run "parallel" operations. Last week, JP Chase were preparing to move hundreds of jobs to offices in Dublin, Luxembourg and Frankfurt. Their Chairman has now had to backtrack when he said "thousands" of jobs would go. I saw a newspaper article last month, that said their are still 15000 financial job vacancies in London! Nothing in life is plain sailing, it's how we now adapt that's important. | |||
" They have only just introduced it. But apart from that, if the EU don't get a free trade deal with the UK Ireland is f.cked as well you know. But never fear, they will
Ireland will be just fine with or without a deal. Once Britain leaves the only other English speaking country in the EU is Malta so we become a lot more attractive for FDI.
And once Britains exports to the EU decrease it gives us the opportunity to expand our own. And we've already been lobbying hard for it. You may or may not have noticed that Irelands 3 key demands from the Brexit deal are all apart of the EUs key demands. We'll get what we want out of this deal or if theres no deal then we'll be positioned to become one of the key beneficiaries.
Oh don't do our Dutch English speaking friends down
How many bankers have you managed to attract so far?
Well lets look at what the Central Bank said just today:
“The Central Bank has received a large number of Brexit-related authorisation enquiries from across all sectors, including banks,”
Well look at that. It seems like we are getting the enquiries which start the process.
http://m.independent.ie/business/brexit/a-fifth-of-eu-banking-may-shift-to-ireland-after-brexit-35432585.html
And the EUs own reports say that Frankfurt and Paris will be the main beneficiaries but that Dublin will also benefit with billions being poured into our economy.
Serious question for Brexiters: Is it embarrassing or frustrating that you keep getting proved wrong about the effects of Brexit?
At the start no banks were going to leave, now some banks have already left and more are beginning the process. At the start you were going to keep access to the common market and now youre not. You werent going to be paying any divorce bill and now of you want trade you have to.
Is there a point at which you realise that the basis of your opinions are faulty? Or do you just keep on being wrong about whats happening and pretending its all going to be ok?"Maybe what we should do is charge the ESU if any of our banks move there . How does £100 Billion Euros sound as a starting point? | |||
"So what if we decide not to pay the alleged 100 billion bill what can the EU do Don't forget we are a net importer off their products Nobody cares that youre a net importer except deluded Brexiters who keep parroting that because they think it means something. If you dont pay the bill then the EU wont even enter into negotiations on a trade deal or anything else. The UK is about 10% of the EU's exports and the EU is about 50% of the UKs. We can replace that 10% with our own internal customers (people who previously bought British but will buy EU instead). Britian cannot replace the EU market. Thats why May is saying things are fine the Juncker is saying that there may be no deal at all. The EU is comfortable with no deal. Britain losing ~50% of its exports would devastate its economy. As a leave voter and a Brexit supporter I'd be very happy with no deal. Complete clean break with the EU, and as the House of Lords committee said in the event of no deal then legally the UK is not obliged to pay the EU a single penny upon leaving. We can then also immediately start signing the free trade deals all around the world with the many, many countries that are already queuing up to do deals with us so EU trade can be replaced in the UK with trade from elsewhere. Even in the event of no trade deal, trade still occurs between countries anyway. No one is queuing up at day one. Hahahahahahaha Your either,God or a member of the cabinet. If not,that's just complete mince. I fully understand how desperate,and frustrated Remainers must be feeling, But at least try to keep it plausible. " Ok, we'll see. | |||
" Maybe what we should do is charge the ESU if any of our banks move there . How does £100 Billion Euros sound as a starting point?" bless, you dont really understand whats happening or why.
1. You can't charge the EU money because a private company sets up new operations or expanded operations while simultaneously downsizing in the UK.
2. The 100 billion is money the UK said it would pay before Brexit and now youre trying to back out of payment because you're leaving. If you didnt want to pay, your governments shouldnt have agreed to do so in the past.
3. This is a mess of your own making. Brexit didnt have to happen. Job losses didnt have to happen. Decreased tax revenue didnt have to happen. But you chose this route. If it goes badly its all your own fault. Not the EUs, its Britains fault. | |||
" They have only just introduced it. But apart from that, if the EU don't get a free trade deal with the UK Ireland is f.cked as well you know. But never fear, they will
Ireland will be just fine with or without a deal. Once Britain leaves the only other English speaking country in the EU is Malta so we become a lot more attractive for FDI.
And once Britains exports to the EU decrease it gives us the opportunity to expand our own. And we've already been lobbying hard for it. You may or may not have noticed that Irelands 3 key demands from the Brexit deal are all apart of the EUs key demands. We'll get what we want out of this deal or if theres no deal then we'll be positioned to become one of the key beneficiaries.
Oh don't do our Dutch English speaking friends down
How many bankers have you managed to attract so far?
Well lets look at what the Central Bank said just today:
“The Central Bank has received a large number of Brexit-related authorisation enquiries from across all sectors, including banks,”
Well look at that. It seems like we are getting the enquiries which start the process.
http://m.independent.ie/business/brexit/a-fifth-of-eu-banking-may-shift-to-ireland-after-brexit-35432585.html
And the EUs own reports say that Frankfurt and Paris will be the main beneficiaries but that Dublin will also benefit with billions being poured into our economy.
Serious question for Brexiters: Is it embarrassing or frustrating that you keep getting proved wrong about the effects of Brexit?
At the start no banks were going to leave, now some banks have already left and more are beginning the process. At the start you were going to keep access to the common market and now youre not. You werent going to be paying any divorce bill and now of you want trade you have to.
Is there a point at which you realise that the basis of your opinions are faulty? Or do you just keep on being wrong about whats happening and pretending its all going to be ok?
We know that some jobs will leave these shores but most banks are preparing to run "parallel" operations. Last week, JP Chase were preparing to move hundreds of jobs to offices in Dublin, Luxembourg and Frankfurt. Their Chairman has now had to backtrack when he said "thousands" of jobs would go.
I saw a newspaper article last month, that said their are still 15000 financial job vacancies in London!
Nothing in life is plain sailing, it's how we now adapt that's important. "Of course companies are downplaying the redundancies and downsizing because thats good pr. Its like a few months ago when Brexiters were proudly talking about how BMW and other german auto manufacturers were advocating a good deal for the UK. Until it was pointed out that the trade group they formed to promote their interests to politicians were saying the opposite. If you listen to the PR side of the company then youre going to get a rosy view of the world. Like Delta having cops assault a doctor and publically calling it a "reaccomodation". No company is going to advertise heavily to Brits that their ditching the country. The major problem for the UK is that youre not adapting. Too many have their head in union jack coloured clouds thinking that everythings going to be fine because Britishness. The prospects of getting a deal with the EU are getting worse. Your negotiators have publicly been called underprepared and lacking in understanding of how complex this is going to be. Imagine company A pissing off company B who was 50% of their sales on the basis that they also are 10% of company Bs sales. Then imagine the CEO of company A saying its ok that we lose 50% of our sales because it will mean that they can go after dozens of smaller customers. Does that sound like a sound business strategy? | |||
" Maybe what we should do is charge the ESU if any of our banks move there . How does £100 Billion Euros sound as a starting point? bless, you dont really understand whats happening or why.
1. You can't charge the EU money because a private company sets up new operations or expanded operations while simultaneously downsizing in the UK.
2. The 100 billion is money the UK said it would pay before Brexit and now youre trying to back out of payment because you're leaving. If you didnt want to pay, your governments shouldnt have agreed to do so in the past.
3. This is a mess of your own making. Brexit didnt have to happen. Job losses didnt have to happen. Decreased tax revenue didnt have to happen. But you chose this route. If it goes badly its all your own fault. Not the EUs, its Britains fault. "I suppose it's very easy to say that as you live in a country that took 40 years to actually contribute financially to the EU. | |||
" They have only just introduced it. But apart from that, if the EU don't get a free trade deal with the UK Ireland is f.cked as well you know. But never fear, they will
Ireland will be just fine with or without a deal. Once Britain leaves the only other English speaking country in the EU is Malta so we become a lot more attractive for FDI.
And once Britains exports to the EU decrease it gives us the opportunity to expand our own. And we've already been lobbying hard for it. You may or may not have noticed that Irelands 3 key demands from the Brexit deal are all apart of the EUs key demands. We'll get what we want out of this deal or if theres no deal then we'll be positioned to become one of the key beneficiaries.
Oh don't do our Dutch English speaking friends down
How many bankers have you managed to attract so far?
Well lets look at what the Central Bank said just today:
“The Central Bank has received a large number of Brexit-related authorisation enquiries from across all sectors, including banks,”
Well look at that. It seems like we are getting the enquiries which start the process.
http://m.independent.ie/business/brexit/a-fifth-of-eu-banking-may-shift-to-ireland-after-brexit-35432585.html
And the EUs own reports say that Frankfurt and Paris will be the main beneficiaries but that Dublin will also benefit with billions being poured into our economy.
Serious question for Brexiters: Is it embarrassing or frustrating that you keep getting proved wrong about the effects of Brexit?
At the start no banks were going to leave, now some banks have already left and more are beginning the process. At the start you were going to keep access to the common market and now youre not. You werent going to be paying any divorce bill and now of you want trade you have to.
Is there a point at which you realise that the basis of your opinions are faulty? Or do you just keep on being wrong about whats happening and pretending its all going to be ok?"It's astonishing how ill informed you seem to be on this subject. We didn't say we wanted to be members of the single market at the start, we said we wanted to leave the single market at the start. Leaving the single market has been the uk's position on Brexit right from the get go. You didn't say 'member' of the single market though you said 'access' and they are 2 different things. The UK will still have access to the single market after Brexit even if we are not a member of the single market. Many countries all over the world outside of the EU have access to the single market without being a member of it. Countries outside of the EU still have 'access' to the single market through the WTO and in the event of no deal, the UK will still have access to the single market through the WTO. The EU trade commissioner Cecilia Malstrom has already said though that the UK will have a free trade deal with the EU "for sure" when Brexit is complete. | |||
" They have only just introduced it. But apart from that, if the EU don't get a free trade deal with the UK Ireland is f.cked as well you know. But never fear, they will
Ireland will be just fine with or without a deal. Once Britain leaves the only other English speaking country in the EU is Malta so we become a lot more attractive for FDI.
And once Britains exports to the EU decrease it gives us the opportunity to expand our own. And we've already been lobbying hard for it. You may or may not have noticed that Irelands 3 key demands from the Brexit deal are all apart of the EUs key demands. We'll get what we want out of this deal or if theres no deal then we'll be positioned to become one of the key beneficiaries.
Oh don't do our Dutch English speaking friends down
How many bankers have you managed to attract so far?
Well lets look at what the Central Bank said just today:
“The Central Bank has received a large number of Brexit-related authorisation enquiries from across all sectors, including banks,”
Well look at that. It seems like we are getting the enquiries which start the process.
http://m.independent.ie/business/brexit/a-fifth-of-eu-banking-may-shift-to-ireland-after-brexit-35432585.html
And the EUs own reports say that Frankfurt and Paris will be the main beneficiaries but that Dublin will also benefit with billions being poured into our economy.
Serious question for Brexiters: Is it embarrassing or frustrating that you keep getting proved wrong about the effects of Brexit?
At the start no banks were going to leave, now some banks have already left and more are beginning the process. At the start you were going to keep access to the common market and now youre not. You werent going to be paying any divorce bill and now of you want trade you have to.
Is there a point at which you realise that the basis of your opinions are faulty? Or do you just keep on being wrong about whats happening and pretending its all going to be ok?
It's astonishing how ill informed you seem to be on this subject. We didn't say we wanted to be members of the single market at the start, we said we wanted to leave the single market at the start. Leaving the single market has been the uk's position on Brexit right from the get go.
You didn't say 'member' of the single market though you said 'access' and they are 2 different things. The UK will still have access to the single market after Brexit even if we are not a member of the single market. Many countries all over the world outside of the EU have access to the single market without being a member of it. Countries outside of the EU still have 'access' to the single market through the WTO and in the event of no deal, the UK will still have access to the single market through the WTO. The EU trade commissioner Cecilia Malstrom has already said though that the UK will have a free trade deal with the EU "for sure" when Brexit is complete. "Im uninformed? I love that you said that while being so uninformed in what you said. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/01/uk-would-consider-paying-eu-access-single-market-says-david/ Thats David Davis, in parliament,saying that the UK wanted to retain access to the single market. And as anyone who is informed on the subject knows access to the single market doesnt simply mean that you can sell to the EU. Access means getting the deals that the likes of Switzerland have that give them access to the single market. Thats what everyone means, remain or leave, when they say access. Thats what David Davis meant when he said he would consider payments to get access, which obviously you dont need to do if you just trade through WTO rules. Its also interesting that the post you were replying to was asking if Brexiters found it embarassing or frustrating to be continually proven wrong. Because then you replied with a post that showed you were wrong and uninformed, so since you have recent first hand knowledge: is it embarrassing and frustrating?  | |||
" They have only just introduced it. But apart from that, if the EU don't get a free trade deal with the UK Ireland is f.cked as well you know. But never fear, they will
Ireland will be just fine with or without a deal. Once Britain leaves the only other English speaking country in the EU is Malta so we become a lot more attractive for FDI.
And once Britains exports to the EU decrease it gives us the opportunity to expand our own. And we've already been lobbying hard for it. You may or may not have noticed that Irelands 3 key demands from the Brexit deal are all apart of the EUs key demands. We'll get what we want out of this deal or if theres no deal then we'll be positioned to become one of the key beneficiaries.
Oh don't do our Dutch English speaking friends down
How many bankers have you managed to attract so far?
Well lets look at what the Central Bank said just today:
“The Central Bank has received a large number of Brexit-related authorisation enquiries from across all sectors, including banks,”
Well look at that. It seems like we are getting the enquiries which start the process.
http://m.independent.ie/business/brexit/a-fifth-of-eu-banking-may-shift-to-ireland-after-brexit-35432585.html
And the EUs own reports say that Frankfurt and Paris will be the main beneficiaries but that Dublin will also benefit with billions being poured into our economy.
Serious question for Brexiters: Is it embarrassing or frustrating that you keep getting proved wrong about the effects of Brexit?
At the start no banks were going to leave, now some banks have already left and more are beginning the process. At the start you were going to keep access to the common market and now youre not. You werent going to be paying any divorce bill and now of you want trade you have to.
Is there a point at which you realise that the basis of your opinions are faulty? Or do you just keep on being wrong about whats happening and pretending its all going to be ok?
It's astonishing how ill informed you seem to be on this subject. We didn't say we wanted to be members of the single market at the start, we said we wanted to leave the single market at the start. Leaving the single market has been the uk's position on Brexit right from the get go.
You didn't say 'member' of the single market though you said 'access' and they are 2 different things. The UK will still have access to the single market after Brexit even if we are not a member of the single market. Many countries all over the world outside of the EU have access to the single market without being a member of it. Countries outside of the EU still have 'access' to the single market through the WTO and in the event of no deal, the UK will still have access to the single market through the WTO. The EU trade commissioner Cecilia Malstrom has already said though that the UK will have a free trade deal with the EU "for sure" when Brexit is complete.
Im uninformed? I love that you said that while being so uninformed in what you said.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/01/uk-would-consider-paying-eu-access-single-market-says-david/
Thats David Davis, in parliament,saying that the UK wanted to retain access to the single market. And as anyone who is informed on the subject knows access to the single market doesnt simply mean that you can sell to the EU. Access means getting the deals that the likes of Switzerland have that give them access to the single market. Thats what everyone means, remain or leave, when they say access. Thats what David Davis meant when he said he would consider payments to get access, which obviously you dont need to do if you just trade through WTO rules.
Its also interesting that the post you were replying to was asking if Brexiters found it embarassing or frustrating to be continually proven wrong. Because then you replied with a post that showed you were wrong and uninformed, so since you have recent first hand knowledge: is it embarrassing and frustrating? "You just did it again, you are confusing membership of the single market with access to the single market. They are 2 completely different things. As you mention David Davis he had to explain the difference between the 2 to a Remoaner on BBC 1 Question Time last time he appeared on it. Many countries outside of the EU have access to the single market without being a member. If you cannot understand this very basic difference there really is no point in discussing this any further with you. As for people being embarrassed and frustrated it's very much the Remoaners who those labels apply to. The Remoaners were embarrassed when they all thought they would win the EU referendum easily and subsequently lost and ever since they have been frustrated at every turn as they try to sabotage Brexit but it keeps blowing up in their faces. | |||
" You just did it again, you are confusing membership of the single market with access to the single market. They are 2 completely different things. As you mention David Davis he had to explain the difference between the 2 to a Remoaner on BBC 1 Question Time last time he appeared on it. Many countries outside of the EU have access to the single market without being a member. If you cannot understand this very basic difference there really is no point in discussing this any further with you. As for people being embarrassed and frustrated it's very much the Remoaners who those labels apply to. The Remoaners were embarrassed when they all thought they would win the EU referendum easily and subsequently lost and ever since they have been frustrated at every turn as they try to sabotage Brexit but it keeps blowing up in their faces. " Every country can sell to other countries outside of trade embargos such as the one between Cuba and the US. Thats not access to the single market. Thats being able to sell to the EU. Access to the market means being able to sell and buy within the market, not to sell from outside the market. See the word access means to enter or the right or opportunity to use or benefit from something. To access the single market means to operate from within it. Everyone else knows this. Only someone incredibly uninformed would be able to confuse access to the market to selling to the market. Why else would Davis be talking about paying fees to access the market? There are no fees required to operate within the WTO framework. http://www.politico.eu/article/post-brexit-ukip-wants-tariff-free-access-to-eu-single-market/ Since the original point was that Brexiters thought theyd get access to the single market heres a more explicit statement from UKIP. | |||
" Maybe what we should do is charge the ESU if any of our banks move there . How does £100 Billion Euros sound as a starting point? bless, you dont really understand whats happening or why.
1. You can't charge the EU money because a private company sets up new operations or expanded operations while simultaneously downsizing in the UK.
2. The 100 billion is money the UK said it would pay before Brexit and now youre trying to back out of payment because you're leaving. If you didnt want to pay, your governments shouldnt have agreed to do so in the past.
3. This is a mess of your own making. Brexit didnt have to happen. Job losses didnt have to happen. Decreased tax revenue didnt have to happen. But you chose this route. If it goes badly its all your own fault. Not the EUs, its Britains fault. "Bless, you don't understand sarcasm. What job losses have there been btw? Where's the 'immediate and deep recession', the 'house price drop by 20%', the '800,000 job losses by 2018', the '30 Billion emergency budget'? And decreased tax revenues? Nothing to do with the tax allowance rising from £6.5K in 2009 to £11K now then? Employment June 2016 31.6M Unemployed June 2016. 1.67M Employment April 2017 31.9M Unemployed April 2017 1.56M So, 300,000 more people in work, 100,000 less people unemployed. Unemployment, at 4.7% is at its lowest since 1975, 2 years after we joined the EEC. | |||
" They have only just introduced it. But apart from that, if the EU don't get a free trade deal with the UK Ireland is f.cked as well you know. But never fear, they will
Ireland will be just fine with or without a deal. Once Britain leaves the only other English speaking country in the EU is Malta so we become a lot more attractive for FDI.
And once Britains exports to the EU decrease it gives us the opportunity to expand our own. And we've already been lobbying hard for it. You may or may not have noticed that Irelands 3 key demands from the Brexit deal are all apart of the EUs key demands. We'll get what we want out of this deal or if theres no deal then we'll be positioned to become one of the key beneficiaries.
How do you type in your sleep?"lol it's fairies they are everywhere, even in his dreams | |||
" Maybe what we should do is charge the ESU if any of our banks move there . How does £100 Billion Euros sound as a starting point? bless, you dont really understand whats happening or why.
1. You can't charge the EU money because a private company sets up new operations or expanded operations while simultaneously downsizing in the UK.
2. The 100 billion is money the UK said it would pay before Brexit and now youre trying to back out of payment because you're leaving. If you didnt want to pay, your governments shouldnt have agreed to do so in the past.
3. This is a mess of your own making. Brexit didnt have to happen. Job losses didnt have to happen. Decreased tax revenue didnt have to happen. But you chose this route. If it goes badly its all your own fault. Not the EUs, its Britains fault.
Bless, you don't understand sarcasm.
What job losses have there been btw? Where's the 'immediate and deep recession', the 'house price drop by 20%', the '800,000 job losses by 2018', the '30 Billion emergency budget'?
And decreased tax revenues? Nothing to do with the tax allowance rising from £6.5K in 2009 to £11K now then?
Employment June 2016 31.6M
Unemployed June 2016. 1.67M
Employment April 2017 31.9M
Unemployed April 2017 1.56M
So, 300,000 more people in work, 100,000 less people unemployed.
Unemployment, at 4.7% is at its lowest since 1975, 2 years after we joined the EEC. "The predictions on what Brexit would look like were based on Camerons pledge to trigger Article 50 immediately without any preparation. BUT: Child homelessness has reached an 8 year high https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/nov/03/child-homelessness-christmas-eight-year-high-shelter-12000-children-temporary-accommodation The NHS is in crisis https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/06/nhs-faces-humanitarian-crisis-rising-demand-british-red-cross 2 thirds of US companies are looking at leaving or downsizing in the UK directly because of Brexit http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-us-firms-trade-threat-london-eu-move-uk-relocate-move-report-a7473251.html There are companies which have already moved http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-smiffys-business-moves-leaves-uk-europe-hq-exodus-a7371956.html And the worst is still to come. | |||
" Maybe what we should do is charge the ESU if any of our banks move there . How does £100 Billion Euros sound as a starting point? bless, you dont really understand whats happening or why.
1. You can't charge the EU money because a private company sets up new operations or expanded operations while simultaneously downsizing in the UK.
2. The 100 billion is money the UK said it would pay before Brexit and now youre trying to back out of payment because you're leaving. If you didnt want to pay, your governments shouldnt have agreed to do so in the past.
3. This is a mess of your own making. Brexit didnt have to happen. Job losses didnt have to happen. Decreased tax revenue didnt have to happen. But you chose this route. If it goes badly its all your own fault. Not the EUs, its Britains fault.
Bless, you don't understand sarcasm.
What job losses have there been btw? Where's the 'immediate and deep recession', the 'house price drop by 20%', the '800,000 job losses by 2018', the '30 Billion emergency budget'?
And decreased tax revenues? Nothing to do with the tax allowance rising from £6.5K in 2009 to £11K now then?
Employment June 2016 31.6M
Unemployed June 2016. 1.67M
Employment April 2017 31.9M
Unemployed April 2017 1.56M
So, 300,000 more people in work, 100,000 less people unemployed.
Unemployment, at 4.7% is at its lowest since 1975, 2 years after we joined the EEC.
The predictions on what Brexit would look like were based on Camerons pledge to trigger Article 50 immediately without any preparation.
BUT:
Child homelessness has reached an 8 year high
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/nov/03/child-homelessness-christmas-eight-year-high-shelter-12000-children-temporary-accommodation
The NHS is in crisis
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/06/nhs-faces-humanitarian-crisis-rising-demand-british-red-cross
2 thirds of US companies are looking at leaving or downsizing in the UK directly because of Brexit
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-us-firms-trade-threat-london-eu-move-uk-relocate-move-report-a7473251.html
There are companies which have already moved
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-smiffys-business-moves-leaves-uk-europe-hq-exodus-a7371956.html
And the worst is still to come."Bloody hell google mustn't have read the trends and are going mad investing in the U.K. Jaguar investing in the U.K. Siemens investing in the U.K. Nissan investing in the U.K. Toyota investing in the U.K. JCB investing in the U.K. Land Rover building new models for export from the U.K. Huge new car plants built in Wolverhampton and Birmingham by Jaguar Land Rover Bloody hell we are bust,,, employment at its highest ever level, shortage of builders and skilled engineeers due to the high employment rates and boom in construction | |||
" Maybe what we should do is charge the ESU if any of our banks move there . How does £100 Billion Euros sound as a starting point? bless, you dont really understand whats happening or why.
1. You can't charge the EU money because a private company sets up new operations or expanded operations while simultaneously downsizing in the UK.
2. The 100 billion is money the UK said it would pay before Brexit and now youre trying to back out of payment because you're leaving. If you didnt want to pay, your governments shouldnt have agreed to do so in the past.
3. This is a mess of your own making. Brexit didnt have to happen. Job losses didnt have to happen. Decreased tax revenue didnt have to happen. But you chose this route. If it goes badly its all your own fault. Not the EUs, its Britains fault.
Bless, you don't understand sarcasm.
What job losses have there been btw? Where's the 'immediate and deep recession', the 'house price drop by 20%', the '800,000 job losses by 2018', the '30 Billion emergency budget'?
And decreased tax revenues? Nothing to do with the tax allowance rising from £6.5K in 2009 to £11K now then?
Employment June 2016 31.6M
Unemployed June 2016. 1.67M
Employment April 2017 31.9M
Unemployed April 2017 1.56M
So, 300,000 more people in work, 100,000 less people unemployed.
Unemployment, at 4.7% is at its lowest since 1975, 2 years after we joined the EEC.
The predictions on what Brexit would look like were based on Camerons pledge to trigger Article 50 immediately without any preparation.
BUT:
Child homelessness has reached an 8 year high
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/nov/03/child-homelessness-christmas-eight-year-high-shelter-12000-children-temporary-accommodation
The NHS is in crisis
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/06/nhs-faces-humanitarian-crisis-rising-demand-british-red-cross
2 thirds of US companies are looking at leaving or downsizing in the UK directly because of Brexit
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-us-firms-trade-threat-london-eu-move-uk-relocate-move-report-a7473251.html
There are companies which have already moved
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-smiffys-business-moves-leaves-uk-europe-hq-exodus-a7371956.html
And the worst is still to come."And you put child homelessness and the NHS crisis down to Brexit? Here's a report for you from November 2016: Homeless children and families in the capital are continuing to increase, though at a slower rate than earlier in the year. Figures presented on Wednesday show an increase in homeless children of 48 per cent and families of 51.5 per cent, since October 2015..... This does not include those sleeping rough, in domestic violence refuges or homeless non-nationals being dealt with by the New Communities Unit, which is operated by the Department of Social Protection. Though the overall numbers in family homelessness are significantly higher than a year ago, the rate of increase has slowed to an average of 67 families a month becoming homeless in the capital. By the way, this report is about Dublin, not London. 'Those in glasshouses' springs to mind. | |||
" Maybe what we should do is charge the ESU if any of our banks move there . How does £100 Billion Euros sound as a starting point? bless, you dont really understand whats happening or why.
1. You can't charge the EU money because a private company sets up new operations or expanded operations while simultaneously downsizing in the UK.
2. The 100 billion is money the UK said it would pay before Brexit and now youre trying to back out of payment because you're leaving. If you didnt want to pay, your governments shouldnt have agreed to do so in the past.
3. This is a mess of your own making. Brexit didnt have to happen. Job losses didnt have to happen. Decreased tax revenue didnt have to happen. But you chose this route. If it goes badly its all your own fault. Not the EUs, its Britains fault.
Bless, you don't understand sarcasm.
What job losses have there been btw? Where's the 'immediate and deep recession', the 'house price drop by 20%', the '800,000 job losses by 2018', the '30 Billion emergency budget'?
And decreased tax revenues? Nothing to do with the tax allowance rising from £6.5K in 2009 to £11K now then?
Employment June 2016 31.6M
Unemployed June 2016. 1.67M
Employment April 2017 31.9M
Unemployed April 2017 1.56M
So, 300,000 more people in work, 100,000 less people unemployed.
Unemployment, at 4.7% is at its lowest since 1975, 2 years after we joined the EEC.
The predictions on what Brexit would look like were based on Camerons pledge to trigger Article 50 immediately without any preparation.
BUT:
Child homelessness has reached an 8 year high
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/nov/03/child-homelessness-christmas-eight-year-high-shelter-12000-children-temporary-accommodation
The NHS is in crisis
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/06/nhs-faces-humanitarian-crisis-rising-demand-british-red-cross
2 thirds of US companies are looking at leaving or downsizing in the UK directly because of Brexit
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-us-firms-trade-threat-london-eu-move-uk-relocate-move-report-a7473251.html
There are companies which have already moved
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-smiffys-business-moves-leaves-uk-europe-hq-exodus-a7371956.html
And the worst is still to come.
Bloody hell google mustn't have read the trends and are going mad investing in the U.K.
Jaguar investing in the U.K.
Siemens investing in the U.K.
Nissan investing in the U.K.
Toyota investing in the U.K.
JCB investing in the U.K.
Land Rover building new models for export from the U.K.
Huge new car plants built in Wolverhampton and Birmingham by Jaguar Land Rover
Bloody hell we are bust,,, employment at its highest ever level, shortage of builders and skilled engineeers due to the high employment rates and boom in construction "You forgot Qatar investing £5 billion in the UK last month. | |||
" They have only just introduced it. But apart from that, if the EU don't get a free trade deal with the UK Ireland is f.cked as well you know. But never fear, they will
Ireland will be just fine with or without a deal. Once Britain leaves the only other English speaking country in the EU is Malta so we become a lot more attractive for FDI.
And once Britains exports to the EU decrease it gives us the opportunity to expand our own. And we've already been lobbying hard for it. You may or may not have noticed that Irelands 3 key demands from the Brexit deal are all apart of the EUs key demands. We'll get what we want out of this deal or if theres no deal then we'll be positioned to become one of the key beneficiaries.
Oh don't do our Dutch English speaking friends down
How many bankers have you managed to attract so far?
Well lets look at what the Central Bank said just today:
“The Central Bank has received a large number of Brexit-related authorisation enquiries from across all sectors, including banks,”
Well look at that. It seems like we are getting the enquiries which start the process.
http://m.independent.ie/business/brexit/a-fifth-of-eu-banking-may-shift-to-ireland-after-brexit-35432585.html
And the EUs own reports say that Frankfurt and Paris will be the main beneficiaries but that Dublin will also benefit with billions being poured into our economy.
Serious question for Brexiters: Is it embarrassing or frustrating that you keep getting proved wrong about the effects of Brexit?
At the start no banks were going to leave, now some banks have already left and more are beginning the process. At the start you were going to keep access to the common market and now youre not. You werent going to be paying any divorce bill and now of you want trade you have to.
Is there a point at which you realise that the basis of your opinions are faulty? Or do you just keep on being wrong about whats happening and pretending its all going to be ok?"From my experience of BREXITers it will probably be the latter; just keep on being wrong about everything and pretending it's all going to be OK | |||
" They have only just introduced it. But apart from that, if the EU don't get a free trade deal with the UK Ireland is f.cked as well you know. But never fear, they will
Ireland will be just fine with or without a deal. Once Britain leaves the only other English speaking country in the EU is Malta so we become a lot more attractive for FDI.
And once Britains exports to the EU decrease it gives us the opportunity to expand our own. And we've already been lobbying hard for it. You may or may not have noticed that Irelands 3 key demands from the Brexit deal are all apart of the EUs key demands. We'll get what we want out of this deal or if theres no deal then we'll be positioned to become one of the key beneficiaries.
Oh don't do our Dutch English speaking friends down
How many bankers have you managed to attract so far?
Well lets look at what the Central Bank said just today:
“The Central Bank has received a large number of Brexit-related authorisation enquiries from across all sectors, including banks,”
Well look at that. It seems like we are getting the enquiries which start the process.
http://m.independent.ie/business/brexit/a-fifth-of-eu-banking-may-shift-to-ireland-after-brexit-35432585.html
And the EUs own reports say that Frankfurt and Paris will be the main beneficiaries but that Dublin will also benefit with billions being poured into our economy.
Serious question for Brexiters: Is it embarrassing or frustrating that you keep getting proved wrong about the effects of Brexit?
At the start no banks were going to leave, now some banks have already left and more are beginning the process. At the start you were going to keep access to the common market and now youre not. You werent going to be paying any divorce bill and now of you want trade you have to.
Is there a point at which you realise that the basis of your opinions are faulty? Or do you just keep on being wrong about whats happening and pretending its all going to be ok?
We know that some jobs will leave these shores but most banks are preparing to run "parallel" operations. Last week, JP Chase were preparing to move hundreds of jobs to offices in Dublin, Luxembourg and Frankfurt. Their Chairman has now had to backtrack when he said "thousands" of jobs would go.
I saw a newspaper article last month, that said their are still 15000 financial job vacancies in London!
Nothing in life is plain sailing, it's how we now adapt that's important. "That's true but, generally speaking, you don't deliberately sail your ship into the eye of a storm for no good reason at all. | |||
" Maybe what we should do is charge the ESU if any of our banks move there . How does £100 Billion Euros sound as a starting point? bless, you dont really understand whats happening or why.
1. You can't charge the EU money because a private company sets up new operations or expanded operations while simultaneously downsizing in the UK.
2. The 100 billion is money the UK said it would pay before Brexit and now youre trying to back out of payment because you're leaving. If you didnt want to pay, your governments shouldnt have agreed to do so in the past.
3. This is a mess of your own making. Brexit didnt have to happen. Job losses didnt have to happen. Decreased tax revenue didnt have to happen. But you chose this route. If it goes badly its all your own fault. Not the EUs, its Britains fault.
I suppose it's very easy to say that as you live in a country that took 40 years to actually contribute financially to the EU. "And even earlier for you to dismiss it because it's not what you want to believe. | |||
" They have only just introduced it. But apart from that, if the EU don't get a free trade deal with the UK Ireland is f.cked as well you know. But never fear, they will
Ireland will be just fine with or without a deal. Once Britain leaves the only other English speaking country in the EU is Malta so we become a lot more attractive for FDI.
And once Britains exports to the EU decrease it gives us the opportunity to expand our own. And we've already been lobbying hard for it. You may or may not have noticed that Irelands 3 key demands from the Brexit deal are all apart of the EUs key demands. We'll get what we want out of this deal or if theres no deal then we'll be positioned to become one of the key beneficiaries.
Oh don't do our Dutch English speaking friends down
How many bankers have you managed to attract so far?
Well lets look at what the Central Bank said just today:
“The Central Bank has received a large number of Brexit-related authorisation enquiries from across all sectors, including banks,”
Well look at that. It seems like we are getting the enquiries which start the process.
http://m.independent.ie/business/brexit/a-fifth-of-eu-banking-may-shift-to-ireland-after-brexit-35432585.html
And the EUs own reports say that Frankfurt and Paris will be the main beneficiaries but that Dublin will also benefit with billions being poured into our economy.
Serious question for Brexiters: Is it embarrassing or frustrating that you keep getting proved wrong about the effects of Brexit?
At the start no banks were going to leave, now some banks have already left and more are beginning the process. At the start you were going to keep access to the common market and now youre not. You werent going to be paying any divorce bill and now of you want trade you have to.
Is there a point at which you realise that the basis of your opinions are faulty? Or do you just keep on being wrong about whats happening and pretending its all going to be ok?
It's astonishing how ill informed you seem to be on this subject. We didn't say we wanted to be members of the single market at the start, we said we wanted to leave the single market at the start. Leaving the single market has been the uk's position on Brexit right from the get go.
You didn't say 'member' of the single market though you said 'access' and they are 2 different things. The UK will still have access to the single market after Brexit even if we are not a member of the single market. Many countries all over the world outside of the EU have access to the single market without being a member of it. Countries outside of the EU still have 'access' to the single market through the WTO and in the event of no deal, the UK will still have access to the single market through the WTO. The EU trade commissioner Cecilia Malstrom has already said though that the UK will have a free trade deal with the EU "for sure" when Brexit is complete.
Im uninformed? I love that you said that while being so uninformed in what you said.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/01/uk-would-consider-paying-eu-access-single-market-says-david/
Thats David Davis, in parliament,saying that the UK wanted to retain access to the single market. And as anyone who is informed on the subject knows access to the single market doesnt simply mean that you can sell to the EU. Access means getting the deals that the likes of Switzerland have that give them access to the single market. Thats what everyone means, remain or leave, when they say access. Thats what David Davis meant when he said he would consider payments to get access, which obviously you dont need to do if you just trade through WTO rules.
Its also interesting that the post you were replying to was asking if Brexiters found it embarassing or frustrating to be continually proven wrong. Because then you replied with a post that showed you were wrong and uninformed, so since you have recent first hand knowledge: is it embarrassing and frustrating?
You just did it again, you are confusing membership of the single market with access to the single market. They are 2 completely different things. As you mention David Davis he had to explain the difference between the 2 to a Remoaner on BBC 1 Question Time last time he appeared on it. Many countries outside of the EU have access to the single market without being a member. If you cannot understand this very basic difference there really is no point in discussing this any further with you. As for people being embarrassed and frustrated it's very much the Remoaners who those labels apply to. The Remoaners were embarrassed when they all thought they would win the EU referendum easily and subsequently lost and ever since they have been frustrated at every turn as they try to sabotage Brexit but it keeps blowing up in their faces. "But if everyone has access to the Single Market via WTO with out paying anything, and we will to, why is DD saying we are willing to pay for access to the Single Market unless the access he is talking about is something different from the access we would get via WTO? | |||
" Maybe what we should do is charge the ESU if any of our banks move there . How does £100 Billion Euros sound as a starting point? bless, you dont really understand whats happening or why.
1. You can't charge the EU money because a private company sets up new operations or expanded operations while simultaneously downsizing in the UK.
2. The 100 billion is money the UK said it would pay before Brexit and now youre trying to back out of payment because you're leaving. If you didnt want to pay, your governments shouldnt have agreed to do so in the past.
3. This is a mess of your own making. Brexit didnt have to happen. Job losses didnt have to happen. Decreased tax revenue didnt have to happen. But you chose this route. If it goes badly its all your own fault. Not the EUs, its Britains fault.
I suppose it's very easy to say that as you live in a country that took 40 years to actually contribute financially to the EU.
And even earlier for you to dismiss it because it's not what you want to believe."Really? I rarely do opinion these days, preferring to focus on fact. I don't dismiss anything and agree that we have certain problems ahead. It's how we deal with these problems that is now key. Ireland also hides behind its neutrality and the Lisbon Treaty to avoid paying 2% of gdp to NATO. It has made a very small financial contribution to the EU in 2014, the first since joining in 1973. Can not Remainers see some of the reasons that people voted Leave, or are we all "stupid and racist"? | |||
"Before talks begin they have to agree on the exit bill, merkel said may is deluded if she thinks it will be an easy ride, whats your view, will they pay it?" We will have to wait and see a full detailed itemed list of every single item that we are getting charged for Once the UK public views each item, I suspect their will be a huge outrage and the bill will not be paid | |||
" Maybe what we should do is charge the ESU if any of our banks move there . How does £100 Billion Euros sound as a starting point? bless, you dont really understand whats happening or why.
1. You can't charge the EU money because a private company sets up new operations or expanded operations while simultaneously downsizing in the UK.
2. The 100 billion is money the UK said it would pay before Brexit and now youre trying to back out of payment because you're leaving. If you didnt want to pay, your governments shouldnt have agreed to do so in the past.
3. This is a mess of your own making. Brexit didnt have to happen. Job losses didnt have to happen. Decreased tax revenue didnt have to happen. But you chose this route. If it goes badly its all your own fault. Not the EUs, its Britains fault.
I suppose it's very easy to say that as you live in a country that took 40 years to actually contribute financially to the EU.
And even earlier for you to dismiss it because it's not what you want to believe.
Really? I rarely do opinion these days, preferring to focus on fact.
I don't dismiss anything and agree that we have certain problems ahead. It's how we deal with these problems that is now key.
Ireland also hides behind its neutrality and the Lisbon Treaty to avoid paying 2% of gdp to NATO. It has made a very small financial contribution to the EU in 2014, the first since joining in 1973.
Can not Remainers see some of the reasons that people voted Leave, or are we all "stupid and racist"?"Not stupid and racist. Stupid and/or racist and/or wreckless. Racist because xenophobia was a huge driver of Brexit. We all know which way the racists voted in this referendum, there was no split vote in that constituency. Stupid, well obviously. At best, at the very best, youve taken your stable economy which (like the rest of the world) is getting over the great recession finally and plunged it into chaos and uncertainty. Put jobs at risk and could plunge you back into recession. And stupid because you voted yes without deciding what exactly that meant. You wont know for 2 years what the final Brexit deal will look like and then you might not want it at all. Yes or no was stupid and if you voted yes you were voting blind. Wreckless covers the crowd that didnt want to leave but wanted to vote against the government. Considering Cameron wanted a No vote some people decided to vote yes to spite him. Not clever. | |||
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"So coz 17million voted to leave we r all racists then is that yr thinking yr not even British so wot the fuck r you moaning for lol" If youre replying to me then thats not what I said. I specifically said "and/or" to make the point that not everyone who voted yes was racist. | |||
"So coz 17million voted to leave we r all racists then is that yr thinking yr not even British so wot the fuck r you moaning for lol" Normal BREXIT attempt to shut down anyone who won't agree with their hair brained ideas. He's not moaning, he's just pointing out the idiocy of what BREXIT really means. And, if you really think that saying most racists and xenophobes voted for BREXIT means the same as most BREXIT voters are racists and xenophobes then you're even more stupid them he says. | |||
"So coz 17million voted to leave we r all racists then is that yr thinking yr not even British so wot the fuck r you moaning for lol Normal BREXIT attempt to shut down anyone who won't agree with their hair brained ideas. He's not moaning, he's just pointing out the idiocy of what BREXIT really means. And, if you really think that saying most racists and xenophobes voted for BREXIT means the same as most BREXIT voters are racists and xenophobes then you're even more stupid them he says." Stupid? Idiocy? That an attempt to shut people down? You may think that Brexit is wrong but that is just an opinion and a short sighted one | |||
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"Why is he stupid if u agree with him ?lol we all know the risks of brexit and r willing to live with the results of not we can allways move to Dublin or stay and cry for yrs to cum or b adults and get on with it the moaning is incredible " Being able to just move to another EU country might be off the table after Brexit. Its also pretty ironic that Brexiters criticise Remainers for complaining when it was their complaining about the EU that led to Brexit. | |||
"Before talks begin they have to agree on the exit bill, merkel said may is deluded if she thinks it will be an easy ride, whats your view, will they pay it? We will have to wait and see a full detailed itemed list of every single item that we are getting charged for Once the UK public views each item, I suspect their will be a huge outrage and the bill will not be paid" That will do a lot for the UK's international credit rating. | |||
"Before talks begin they have to agree on the exit bill, merkel said may is deluded if she thinks it will be an easy ride, whats your view, will they pay it? We will have to wait and see a full detailed itemed list of every single item that we are getting charged for Once the UK public views each item, I suspect their will be a huge outrage and the bill will not be paid That will do a lot for the UK's international credit rating." This whole debate is becoming a joke and a very poisonous one at that. Brexiters feel suddenly enabled because they won the referendum now and so think that they are right about everything to do with the EU and how they should be dealt with. This poison is, in fact hindering the negotiations for fear of outraging the right wing press and their disciples of hate. The logical solution here is for the UK to agree to a reasonable payment of their pre-committed expenditure - walk straight in to a Swiss/Norway - pre existing - transition deal for 5 years and then review the situation in what will be then 2024. | |||
