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It's being reported today that the government is urgently drawing up new laws to be able to apply sanction after Brexit.
Apparently they've only just realised we won't have any otherwise.
A nearly dropped ball and a sign of things to come? |
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over a year ago
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Don't worry, the Tories will be able to save time by just ditching all that annoying human rights and workers rights legislation. Can't be upsetting the corporations they have interests in. |
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The first thing to happen is what is (wrongly) called "The Great Repeal Bill" . This will transfer ALL existing EU law (which we currently have to follow) into UK law. So at the time we actually exit...nothing changes.
After we have left the government/parliament will then have the powers to change or to repeal any such laws.
There is zero requirement for any new laws.... and like others unclear what you mean by "sanctions". |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"The first thing to happen is what is (wrongly) called "The Great Repeal Bill" . This will transfer ALL existing EU law (which we currently have to follow) into UK law. So at the time we actually exit...nothing changes.
After we have left the government/parliament will then have the powers to change or to repeal any such laws.
There is zero requirement for any new laws.... and like others unclear what you mean by "sanctions"."
From what I understand, the Great Repeal Bill will only allow us to enforce existing sanctions but would not give us any legal mecanism to impose new sanctions should we wish to.
This could lead to an interesting situation in that we are duty bound as UN members to implement any sanctions introduced by the UN. But we would not have the legal mecanisms to do so. This is why we have to waste time, money and civil service capacity duplicating yet another legal mechanism we already have via our EU membership under the joke that is 'take back control'.
-Matt |
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"The first thing to happen is what is (wrongly) called "The Great Repeal Bill" . This will transfer ALL existing EU law (which we currently have to follow) into UK law. So at the time we actually exit...nothing changes.
After we have left the government/parliament will then have the powers to change or to repeal any such laws.
There is zero requirement for any new laws.... and like others unclear what you mean by "sanctions".
From what I understand, the Great Repeal Bill will only allow us to enforce existing sanctions but would not give us any legal mecanism to impose new sanctions should we wish to.
This could lead to an interesting situation in that we are duty bound as UN members to implement any sanctions introduced by the UN. But we would not have the legal mecanisms to do so. This is why we have to waste time, money and civil service capacity duplicating yet another legal mechanism we already have via our EU membership under the joke that is 'take back control'.
-Matt"
Why is that not taking back control? |
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"The first thing to happen is what is (wrongly) called "The Great Repeal Bill" . This will transfer ALL existing EU law (which we currently have to follow) into UK law. So at the time we actually exit...nothing changes.
After we have left the government/parliament will then have the powers to change or to repeal any such laws.
There is zero requirement for any new laws.... and like others unclear what you mean by "sanctions".
From what I understand, the Great Repeal Bill will only allow us to enforce existing sanctions but would not give us any legal mecanism to impose new sanctions should we wish to.
This could lead to an interesting situation in that we are duty bound as UN members to implement any sanctions introduced by the UN. But we would not have the legal mecanisms to do so. This is why we have to waste time, money and civil service capacity duplicating yet another legal mechanism we already have via our EU membership under the joke that is 'take back control'.
-Matt
Why is that not taking back control?"
It's shifting deckchairs. The control has always been ours, it's just where the mechanism sits... |
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"The first thing to happen is what is (wrongly) called "The Great Repeal Bill" . This will transfer ALL existing EU law (which we currently have to follow) into UK law. So at the time we actually exit...nothing changes.
After we have left the government/parliament will then have the powers to change or to repeal any such laws.
There is zero requirement for any new laws.... and like others unclear what you mean by "sanctions".
From what I understand, the Great Repeal Bill will only allow us to enforce existing sanctions but would not give us any legal mecanism to impose new sanctions should we wish to.
This could lead to an interesting situation in that we are duty bound as UN members to implement any sanctions introduced by the UN. But we would not have the legal mecanisms to do so. This is why we have to waste time, money and civil service capacity duplicating yet another legal mechanism we already have via our EU membership under the joke that is 'take back control'.
-Matt
Why is that not taking back control?
It's shifting deckchairs. The control has always been ours, it's just where the mechanism sits..."
So what's wrong with changing where the mechanism sits? |
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"The first thing to happen is what is (wrongly) called "The Great Repeal Bill" . This will transfer ALL existing EU law (which we currently have to follow) into UK law. So at the time we actually exit...nothing changes.
After we have left the government/parliament will then have the powers to change or to repeal any such laws.
There is zero requirement for any new laws.... and like others unclear what you mean by "sanctions".
From what I understand, the Great Repeal Bill will only allow us to enforce existing sanctions but would not give us any legal mecanism to impose new sanctions should we wish to.
This could lead to an interesting situation in that we are duty bound as UN members to implement any sanctions introduced by the UN. But we would not have the legal mecanisms to do so. This is why we have to waste time, money and civil service capacity duplicating yet another legal mechanism we already have via our EU membership under the joke that is 'take back control'.
-Matt
Why is that not taking back control?
It's shifting deckchairs. The control has always been ours, it's just where the mechanism sits...
So what's wrong with changing where the mechanism sits?"
Personally I would prefer the time and money to be used more usefully, rather than wasting it replicating what we already have.
Seems a somewhat pointless exercise. What difference does it make? |
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"The first thing to happen is what is (wrongly) called "The Great Repeal Bill" . This will transfer ALL existing EU law (which we currently have to follow) into UK law. So at the time we actually exit...nothing changes.
After we have left the government/parliament will then have the powers to change or to repeal any such laws.
There is zero requirement for any new laws.... and like others unclear what you mean by "sanctions".
From what I understand, the Great Repeal Bill will only allow us to enforce existing sanctions but would not give us any legal mecanism to impose new sanctions should we wish to.
This could lead to an interesting situation in that we are duty bound as UN members to implement any sanctions introduced by the UN. But we would not have the legal mecanisms to do so. This is why we have to waste time, money and civil service capacity duplicating yet another legal mechanism we already have via our EU membership under the joke that is 'take back control'.
-Matt
Why is that not taking back control?
It's shifting deckchairs. The control has always been ours, it's just where the mechanism sits...
So what's wrong with changing where the mechanism sits?
Personally I would prefer the time and money to be used more usefully, rather than wasting it replicating what we already have.
Seems a somewhat pointless exercise. What difference does it make?"
 so basically you're just asking why are we leaving the EU? |
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"The first thing to happen is what is (wrongly) called "The Great Repeal Bill" . This will transfer ALL existing EU law (which we currently have to follow) into UK law. So at the time we actually exit...nothing changes.
After we have left the government/parliament will then have the powers to change or to repeal any such laws.
There is zero requirement for any new laws.... and like others unclear what you mean by "sanctions".
From what I understand, the Great Repeal Bill will only allow us to enforce existing sanctions but would not give us any legal mecanism to impose new sanctions should we wish to.
This could lead to an interesting situation in that we are duty bound as UN members to implement any sanctions introduced by the UN. But we would not have the legal mecanisms to do so. This is why we have to waste time, money and civil service capacity duplicating yet another legal mechanism we already have via our EU membership under the joke that is 'take back control'.
-Matt"
The existing vs new sanctions is the understanding I have too.
There's also a larger point in that this has only just been realised.
So, who knows what other little issues are there waiting to bite? |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"The first thing to happen is what is (wrongly) called "The Great Repeal Bill" . This will transfer ALL existing EU law (which we currently have to follow) into UK law. So at the time we actually exit...nothing changes.
After we have left the government/parliament will then have the powers to change or to repeal any such laws.
There is zero requirement for any new laws.... and like others unclear what you mean by "sanctions".
From what I understand, the Great Repeal Bill will only allow us to enforce existing sanctions but would not give us any legal mecanism to impose new sanctions should we wish to.
This could lead to an interesting situation in that we are duty bound as UN members to implement any sanctions introduced by the UN. But we would not have the legal mecanisms to do so. This is why we have to waste time, money and civil service capacity duplicating yet another legal mechanism we already have via our EU membership under the joke that is 'take back control'.
-Matt
The existing vs new sanctions is the understanding I have too.
There's also a larger point in that this has only just been realised.
So, who knows what other little issues are there waiting to bite?"
Indeed. We are starting to realise that one by one all of those things that we wanted to 'take back control' of, either we already had control of in the first place or we still don't have control of even if we leave the EU for practical if not legal reasons.
Take the passport fiasco as an example. A big deal has been made over the passport colour. If you look beyond it being a fucking stupid issue in the first place and assume that it is actually important... you see that the reason the passports are the size they are is because they conform to an ISO standard and are that way so that they work in all the passport reading machines worldwide. And they are red because we agreed them to be red. Croatia had a blue EU passport. So could we. The burgundy is just an EU recommendation, not a rule. Ie we had the power to change it anyway, the EU is just being used as a scapegoat for the issue.
In the same way the reality is we will be keeping most of the trade and manufacturing standards as we want to trade with EU countries. Dyson isn't going to suddenly save money by not conforming to EU safety standards as if it does it won't sell in the EU. The only reason they want to leave is to shirk out of legal protections for their employees.
-Matt |
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"Sanctions against other countries such as Russia. Big deal. Non story"
That's right, I forgot the first recourse now was simply to bomb the sh*t out of people. Simple.
I am surprised you're so flippant about national and global security. But people's lives, who gives a sh*t right? |
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"Sanctions against other countries such as Russia. Big deal. Non story
That's right, I forgot the first recourse now was simply to bomb the sh*t out of people. Simple.
I am surprised you're so flippant about national and global security. But people's lives, who gives a sh*t right?"
Nice twist |
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"Sanctions against other countries such as Russia. Big deal. Non story
That's right, I forgot the first recourse now was simply to bomb the sh*t out of people. Simple.
I am surprised you're so flippant about national and global security. But people's lives, who gives a sh*t right?
Nice twist"
Also 100% true and relevant. |
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"It's obviously becoming increasingly difficult to find fault with Brexit. The bottom of that barrel must have been almost scraped clean"
Well the Brexit vote has cost us £70 billion in additional monetary policy so far and we haven't left yet.
That's not really a benefit too us is it ?
Who knows what will happen as we crash out either but the brexit costs so far cannot be just forgotten about
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"Sanctions against other countries such as Russia. Big deal. Non story
That's right, I forgot the first recourse now was simply to bomb the sh*t out of people. Simple.
I am surprised you're so flippant about national and global security. But people's lives, who gives a sh*t right?
Nice twist
Also 100% true and relevant."
How does drawing up new measures to be able to to impose sanctions equate to bombing people and me not giving a shit about people's lives? |
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There's also a larger point in that this has only just been realised.
So, who knows what other little issues are there waiting to bite?"
There's probably hundreds of things like this but they will be dealt with on a first come first basis as they arise.
It's no big drama. |
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"It's obviously becoming increasingly difficult to find fault with Brexit. The bottom of that barrel must have been almost scraped clean
Well the Brexit vote has cost us £70 billion in additional monetary policy so far and we haven't left yet.
That's not really a benefit too us is it ?
Who knows what will happen as we crash out either but the brexit costs so far cannot be just forgotten about
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That £70 billion monetary policy hasn't cost us anything |
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"It's being reported today that the government is urgently drawing up new laws to be able to apply sanction after Brexit.
Apparently they've only just realised we won't have any otherwise.
A nearly dropped ball and a sign of things to come?"
I think this is another piece of misdirection from the most authoritarian British government in living history.
Urgently drawing up new laws...
Everyone panic only we can save you, JC is dangerous look at him don't look at our record nothing to see here...
And a little correction to a commonly held misconception, new laws do not mean new acts of parliament. In fact if Ms May gets her way, is returned to power and is able to force 'the great repeal bill' through parliament. In a single act she and her ministers will have been granted the power to rewrite all of British law without parliamentary approval or scrutiny.
Of course the great reform bill has been written in such a way that once a law has been changed or added to statute by use of the great reform bill it will need an act of parliament to repeal or change it. Such power has not been held by the Crown or it's ministers since Tudor times!
Suddenly ministers urgently drawing up lists of new laws does not seem quite so benign, in fact when looked at in conjunction with the withdrawal from the ECHR at the same time and Ms May's past record in the home office one could find this announcement quite alarming or even sinister. After all if one was untrusting of authoritarian politicians you may see striking similarities between what is being proposed now and the fascist/nazi power grab of the 1930's. |
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By *VBethTV/TS
over a year ago
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Damn I love these ridiculous speculation threads. Our laws pertaining to all this were removed under EU treaties various. Therefore they all need replacing which is rather the point of the repeal bill.
Nevertheless let's use it as an exceptionally tenuous excuse to insult people who happen to have different opinions from us whilst treating our own speculation like copper bottomed facts.
The Tories are going to make 24 hours a day work compulsory, the £2 an hour pay is coming back and so are the workhouses!! OMG everyone panic. I read it in the Guardian or huffington post or some other bastion of neutrality.
Oh wait, that's right... we don't yet know. It's all speculation.  |
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"Sanctions against other countries such as Russia. Big deal. Non story
That's right, I forgot the first recourse now was simply to bomb the sh*t out of people. Simple.
I am surprised you're so flippant about national and global security. But people's lives, who gives a sh*t right?
Nice twist
Also 100% true and relevant.
How does drawing up new measures to be able to to impose sanctions equate to bombing people and me not giving a shit about people's lives?"
You stated that an inability to impose sanctions, which are usually used before military force was "No Big Deal" and a "Non story ".
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"Damn I love these ridiculous speculation threads. Our laws pertaining to all this were removed under EU treaties various. Therefore they all need replacing which is rather the point of the repeal bill.
Nevertheless let's use it as an exceptionally tenuous excuse to insult people who happen to have different opinions from us whilst treating our own speculation like copper bottomed facts.
The Tories are going to make 24 hours a day work compulsory, the £2 an hour pay is coming back and so are the workhouses!! OMG everyone panic. I read it in the Guardian or huffington post or some other bastion of neutrality.
Oh wait, that's right... we don't yet know. It's all speculation. "
Where was the speculation and who did I insult? |
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"Sanctions against other countries such as Russia. Big deal. Non story
That's right, I forgot the first recourse now was simply to bomb the sh*t out of people. Simple.
I am surprised you're so flippant about national and global security. But people's lives, who gives a sh*t right?
Nice twist
Also 100% true and relevant.
How does drawing up new measures to be able to to impose sanctions equate to bombing people and me not giving a shit about people's lives?
You stated that an inability to impose sanctions, which are usually used before military force was "No Big Deal" and a "Non story ".
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Where did I state that? |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Damn I love these ridiculous speculation threads. Our laws pertaining to all this were removed under EU treaties various. Therefore they all need replacing which is rather the point of the repeal bill.
Nevertheless let's use it as an exceptionally tenuous excuse to insult people who happen to have different opinions from us whilst treating our own speculation like copper bottomed facts.
The Tories are going to make 24 hours a day work compulsory, the £2 an hour pay is coming back and so are the workhouses!! OMG everyone panic. I read it in the Guardian or huffington post or some other bastion of neutrality.
Oh wait, that's right... we don't yet know. It's all speculation. "
Speculation threads? Yes, there are some, but I would hardly say this is one of them. OK, it took a bit of a diversion a little way up due to usual head-in-the-sand-ness, but the thread itself is not speculation. The thread is about the amount of legal and regulatory work needed to replace a lot of that which will be unusable after we leave the EU. This is not speculation. The government has only just published a public consultation on the legal frameworks needed to implement sanctions:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/609986/Public_consultation_on_the_UK_s_future_legal_framework_for_imposing_and_implementing_sanctions__Print_pdf_version_.pdf
This was rushed through just hours before the deadline for new considerations.
-Matt
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"Damn I love these ridiculous speculation threads. Our laws pertaining to all this were removed under EU treaties various. Therefore they all need replacing which is rather the point of the repeal bill.
Nevertheless let's use it as an exceptionally tenuous excuse to insult people who happen to have different opinions from us whilst treating our own speculation like copper bottomed facts.
The Tories are going to make 24 hours a day work compulsory, the £2 an hour pay is coming back and so are the workhouses!! OMG everyone panic. I read it in the Guardian or huffington post or some other bastion of neutrality.
Oh wait, that's right... we don't yet know. It's all speculation.
Speculation threads? Yes, there are some, but I would hardly say this is one of them. OK, it took a bit of a diversion a little way up due to usual head-in-the-sand-ness, but the thread itself is not speculation. The thread is about the amount of legal and regulatory work needed to replace a lot of that which will be unusable after we leave the EU. This is not speculation. The government has only just published a public consultation on the legal frameworks needed to implement sanctions:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/609986/Public_consultation_on_the_UK_s_future_legal_framework_for_imposing_and_implementing_sanctions__Print_pdf_version_.pdf
This was rushed through just hours before the deadline for new considerations.
-Matt
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"Damn I love these ridiculous speculation threads. Our laws pertaining to all this were removed under EU treaties various. Therefore they all need replacing which is rather the point of the repeal bill.
Nevertheless let's use it as an exceptionally tenuous excuse to insult people who happen to have different opinions from us whilst treating our own speculation like copper bottomed facts.
The Tories are going to make 24 hours a day work compulsory, the £2 an hour pay is coming back and so are the workhouses!! OMG everyone panic. I read it in the Guardian or huffington post or some other bastion of neutrality.
Oh wait, that's right... we don't yet know. It's all speculation.
Speculation threads? Yes, there are some, but I would hardly say this is one of them. OK, it took a bit of a diversion a little way up due to usual head-in-the-sand-ness, but the thread itself is not speculation. The thread is about the amount of legal and regulatory work needed to replace a lot of that which will be unusable after we leave the EU. This is not speculation. The government has only just published a public consultation on the legal frameworks needed to implement sanctions:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/609986/Public_consultation_on_the_UK_s_future_legal_framework_for_imposing_and_implementing_sanctions__Print_pdf_version_.pdf
This was rushed through just hours before the deadline for new considerations.
-Matt
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So? |
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"Sanctions against other countries such as Russia. Big deal. Non story
That's right, I forgot the first recourse now was simply to bomb the sh*t out of people. Simple.
I am surprised you're so flippant about national and global security. But people's lives, who gives a sh*t right?
Nice twist
Also 100% true and relevant.
How does drawing up new measures to be able to to impose sanctions equate to bombing people and me not giving a shit about people's lives?
You stated that an inability to impose sanctions, which are usually used before military force was "No Big Deal" and a "Non story ".
Where did I state that?"
Scroll up to your first response to my post. |
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"Sanctions against other countries such as Russia. Big deal. Non story
That's right, I forgot the first recourse now was simply to bomb the sh*t out of people. Simple.
I am surprised you're so flippant about national and global security. But people's lives, who gives a sh*t right?
Nice twist
Also 100% true and relevant.
How does drawing up new measures to be able to to impose sanctions equate to bombing people and me not giving a shit about people's lives?
You stated that an inability to impose sanctions, which are usually used before military force was "No Big Deal" and a "Non story ".
Where did I state that?
Scroll up to your first response to my post."
Why? That is not what I stated there |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
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"Damn I love these ridiculous speculation threads. Our laws pertaining to all this were removed under EU treaties various. Therefore they all need replacing which is rather the point of the repeal bill.
Nevertheless let's use it as an exceptionally tenuous excuse to insult people who happen to have different opinions from us whilst treating our own speculation like copper bottomed facts.
The Tories are going to make 24 hours a day work compulsory, the £2 an hour pay is coming back and so are the workhouses!! OMG everyone panic. I read it in the Guardian or huffington post or some other bastion of neutrality.
Oh wait, that's right... we don't yet know. It's all speculation.
Speculation threads? Yes, there are some, but I would hardly say this is one of them. OK, it took a bit of a diversion a little way up due to usual head-in-the-sand-ness, but the thread itself is not speculation. The thread is about the amount of legal and regulatory work needed to replace a lot of that which will be unusable after we leave the EU. This is not speculation. The government has only just published a public consultation on the legal frameworks needed to implement sanctions:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/609986/Public_consultation_on_the_UK_s_future_legal_framework_for_imposing_and_implementing_sanctions__Print_pdf_version_.pdf
This was rushed through just hours before the deadline for new considerations.
-Matt
So?"
You are like a 8 year old, aren't you? I'm fully expecting your response soon to be 'Well, so's your face'.
But in answer to your question: So, it is not speculation. As I said.
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"Sanctions against other countries such as Russia. Big deal. Non story
That's right, I forgot the first recourse now was simply to bomb the sh*t out of people. Simple.
I am surprised you're so flippant about national and global security. But people's lives, who gives a sh*t right?
Nice twist
Also 100% true and relevant.
How does drawing up new measures to be able to to impose sanctions equate to bombing people and me not giving a shit about people's lives?
You stated that an inability to impose sanctions, which are usually used before military force was "No Big Deal" and a "Non story ".
Where did I state that?
Scroll up to your first response to my post.
Why? That is not what I stated there"
So, what did this mean:
"Sanctions against other countries such as Russia. Big deal. Non story" |
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"Sanctions against other countries such as Russia. Big deal. Non story
That's right, I forgot the first recourse now was simply to bomb the sh*t out of people. Simple.
I am surprised you're so flippant about national and global security. But people's lives, who gives a sh*t right?
Nice twist
Also 100% true and relevant.
How does drawing up new measures to be able to to impose sanctions equate to bombing people and me not giving a shit about people's lives?
You stated that an inability to impose sanctions, which are usually used before military force was "No Big Deal" and a "Non story ".
Where did I state that?
Scroll up to your first response to my post.
Why? That is not what I stated there
So, what did this mean:
"Sanctions against other countries such as Russia. Big deal. Non story""
That was in response to somebody asking what sanctions and referring to your post about the governmeant needing to draw up new measures to impose sanctions |
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"Damn I love these ridiculous speculation threads. Our laws pertaining to all this were removed under EU treaties various. Therefore they all need replacing which is rather the point of the repeal bill.
Nevertheless let's use it as an exceptionally tenuous excuse to insult people who happen to have different opinions from us whilst treating our own speculation like copper bottomed facts.
The Tories are going to make 24 hours a day work compulsory, the £2 an hour pay is coming back and so are the workhouses!! OMG everyone panic. I read it in the Guardian or huffington post or some other bastion of neutrality.
Oh wait, that's right... we don't yet know. It's all speculation.
Speculation threads? Yes, there are some, but I would hardly say this is one of them. OK, it took a bit of a diversion a little way up due to usual head-in-the-sand-ness, but the thread itself is not speculation. The thread is about the amount of legal and regulatory work needed to replace a lot of that which will be unusable after we leave the EU. This is not speculation. The government has only just published a public consultation on the legal frameworks needed to implement sanctions:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/609986/Public_consultation_on_the_UK_s_future_legal_framework_for_imposing_and_implementing_sanctions__Print_pdf_version_.pdf
This was rushed through just hours before the deadline for new considerations.
-Matt
So?
You are like a 8 year old, aren't you? I'm fully expecting your response soon to be 'Well, so's your face'.
But in answer to your question: So, it is not speculation. As I said.
-Matt"
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"Sanctions against other countries such as Russia. Big deal. Non story
That's right, I forgot the first recourse now was simply to bomb the sh*t out of people. Simple.
I am surprised you're so flippant about national and global security. But people's lives, who gives a sh*t right?
Nice twist
Also 100% true and relevant.
How does drawing up new measures to be able to to impose sanctions equate to bombing people and me not giving a shit about people's lives?
You stated that an inability to impose sanctions, which are usually used before military force was "No Big Deal" and a "Non story ".
Where did I state that?
Scroll up to your first response to my post.
Why? That is not what I stated there
So, what did this mean:
"Sanctions against other countries such as Russia. Big deal. Non story"
That was in response to somebody asking what sanctions and referring to your post about the governmeant needing to draw up new measures to impose sanctions"
Yes, and my post was about it being needed because we lacked the laws to do it.
Which is apparently No Big Deal and A Non Story
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Damn I love these ridiculous speculation threads. Our laws pertaining to all this were removed under EU treaties various. Therefore they all need replacing which is rather the point of the repeal bill.
Nevertheless let's use it as an exceptionally tenuous excuse to insult people who happen to have different opinions from us whilst treating our own speculation like copper bottomed facts.
The Tories are going to make 24 hours a day work compulsory, the £2 an hour pay is coming back and so are the workhouses!! OMG everyone panic. I read it in the Guardian or huffington post or some other bastion of neutrality.
Oh wait, that's right... we don't yet know. It's all speculation.
Speculation threads? Yes, there are some, but I would hardly say this is one of them. OK, it took a bit of a diversion a little way up due to usual head-in-the-sand-ness, but the thread itself is not speculation. The thread is about the amount of legal and regulatory work needed to replace a lot of that which will be unusable after we leave the EU. This is not speculation. The government has only just published a public consultation on the legal frameworks needed to implement sanctions:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/609986/Public_consultation_on_the_UK_s_future_legal_framework_for_imposing_and_implementing_sanctions__Print_pdf_version_.pdf
This was rushed through just hours before the deadline for new considerations.
-Matt
So?
You are like a 8 year old, aren't you? I'm fully expecting your response soon to be 'Well, so's your face'.
But in answer to your question: So, it is not speculation. As I said.
-Matt"
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"Damn I love these ridiculous speculation threads. Our laws pertaining to all this were removed under EU treaties various. Therefore they all need replacing which is rather the point of the repeal bill.
Nevertheless let's use it as an exceptionally tenuous excuse to insult people who happen to have different opinions from us whilst treating our own speculation like copper bottomed facts.
The Tories are going to make 24 hours a day work compulsory, the £2 an hour pay is coming back and so are the workhouses!! OMG everyone panic. I read it in the Guardian or huffington post or some other bastion of neutrality.
Oh wait, that's right... we don't yet know. It's all speculation.
Speculation threads? Yes, there are some, but I would hardly say this is one of them. OK, it took a bit of a diversion a little way up due to usual head-in-the-sand-ness, but the thread itself is not speculation. The thread is about the amount of legal and regulatory work needed to replace a lot of that which will be unusable after we leave the EU. This is not speculation. The government has only just published a public consultation on the legal frameworks needed to implement sanctions:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/609986/Public_consultation_on_the_UK_s_future_legal_framework_for_imposing_and_implementing_sanctions__Print_pdf_version_.pdf
This was rushed through just hours before the deadline for new considerations.
-Matt
So?
You are like a 8 year old, aren't you? I'm fully expecting your response soon to be 'Well, so's your face'.
But in answer to your question: So, it is not speculation. As I said.
-Matt
I think the 'speculation' post was more in reply to Wills post don't you?"
Yes, about the repeal bill. How is that speculation? As I posted, this is not speculation. I just gave a specific example to show this. In fact the actual example the OP mentioned and this thread is about.
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over a year ago
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"Sanctions against other countries such as Russia. Big deal. Non story
That's right, I forgot the first recourse now was simply to bomb the sh*t out of people. Simple.
I am surprised you're so flippant about national and global security. But people's lives, who gives a sh*t right?
Nice twist
Also 100% true and relevant.
How does drawing up new measures to be able to to impose sanctions equate to bombing people and me not giving a shit about people's lives?
You stated that an inability to impose sanctions, which are usually used before military force was "No Big Deal" and a "Non story ".
Where did I state that?
Scroll up to your first response to my post.
Why? That is not what I stated there
So, what did this mean:
"Sanctions against other countries such as Russia. Big deal. Non story"
That was in response to somebody asking what sanctions and referring to your post about the governmeant needing to draw up new measures to impose sanctions
Yes, and my post was about it being needed because we lacked the laws to do it.
Which is apparently No Big Deal and A Non Story
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"Damn I love these ridiculous speculation threads. Our laws pertaining to all this were removed under EU treaties various. Therefore they all need replacing which is rather the point of the repeal bill.
Nevertheless let's use it as an exceptionally tenuous excuse to insult people who happen to have different opinions from us whilst treating our own speculation like copper bottomed facts.
The Tories are going to make 24 hours a day work compulsory, the £2 an hour pay is coming back and so are the workhouses!! OMG everyone panic. I read it in the Guardian or huffington post or some other bastion of neutrality.
Oh wait, that's right... we don't yet know. It's all speculation.
Speculation threads? Yes, there are some, but I would hardly say this is one of them. OK, it took a bit of a diversion a little way up due to usual head-in-the-sand-ness, but the thread itself is not speculation. The thread is about the amount of legal and regulatory work needed to replace a lot of that which will be unusable after we leave the EU. This is not speculation. The government has only just published a public consultation on the legal frameworks needed to implement sanctions:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/609986/Public_consultation_on_the_UK_s_future_legal_framework_for_imposing_and_implementing_sanctions__Print_pdf_version_.pdf
This was rushed through just hours before the deadline for new considerations.
-Matt
So?
You are like a 8 year old, aren't you? I'm fully expecting your response soon to be 'Well, so's your face'.
But in answer to your question: So, it is not speculation. As I said.
-Matt
And my question so referred to your assertion that it was rushed through at the last minute"
Again. That is not speculation. Purdah starts the 21st of April. The document above was published on the 20th of April.
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"Damn I love these ridiculous speculation threads. Our laws pertaining to all this were removed under EU treaties various. Therefore they all need replacing which is rather the point of the repeal bill.
Nevertheless let's use it as an exceptionally tenuous excuse to insult people who happen to have different opinions from us whilst treating our own speculation like copper bottomed facts.
The Tories are going to make 24 hours a day work compulsory, the £2 an hour pay is coming back and so are the workhouses!! OMG everyone panic. I read it in the Guardian or huffington post or some other bastion of neutrality.
Oh wait, that's right... we don't yet know. It's all speculation.
Speculation threads? Yes, there are some, but I would hardly say this is one of them. OK, it took a bit of a diversion a little way up due to usual head-in-the-sand-ness, but the thread itself is not speculation. The thread is about the amount of legal and regulatory work needed to replace a lot of that which will be unusable after we leave the EU. This is not speculation. The government has only just published a public consultation on the legal frameworks needed to implement sanctions:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/609986/Public_consultation_on_the_UK_s_future_legal_framework_for_imposing_and_implementing_sanctions__Print_pdf_version_.pdf
This was rushed through just hours before the deadline for new considerations.
-Matt
So?
You are like a 8 year old, aren't you? I'm fully expecting your response soon to be 'Well, so's your face'.
But in answer to your question: So, it is not speculation. As I said.
-Matt
And my question so referred to your assertion that it was rushed through at the last minute
Again. That is not speculation. Purdah starts the 21st of April. The document above was published on the 20th of April.
-Matt"
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"Damn I love these ridiculous speculation threads. Our laws pertaining to all this were removed under EU treaties various. Therefore they all need replacing which is rather the point of the repeal bill.
Nevertheless let's use it as an exceptionally tenuous excuse to insult people who happen to have different opinions from us whilst treating our own speculation like copper bottomed facts.
The Tories are going to make 24 hours a day work compulsory, the £2 an hour pay is coming back and so are the workhouses!! OMG everyone panic. I read it in the Guardian or huffington post or some other bastion of neutrality.
Oh wait, that's right... we don't yet know. It's all speculation.
Speculation threads? Yes, there are some, but I would hardly say this is one of them. OK, it took a bit of a diversion a little way up due to usual head-in-the-sand-ness, but the thread itself is not speculation. The thread is about the amount of legal and regulatory work needed to replace a lot of that which will be unusable after we leave the EU. This is not speculation. The government has only just published a public consultation on the legal frameworks needed to implement sanctions:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/609986/Public_consultation_on_the_UK_s_future_legal_framework_for_imposing_and_implementing_sanctions__Print_pdf_version_.pdf
This was rushed through just hours before the deadline for new considerations.
-Matt
So?
You are like a 8 year old, aren't you? I'm fully expecting your response soon to be 'Well, so's your face'.
But in answer to your question: So, it is not speculation. As I said.
-Matt
And my question so referred to your assertion that it was rushed through at the last minute
Again. That is not speculation. Purdah starts the 21st of April. The document above was published on the 20th of April.
-Matt
So?"
lol
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"Sanctions against other countries such as Russia. Big deal. Non story
That's right, I forgot the first recourse now was simply to bomb the sh*t out of people. Simple.
I am surprised you're so flippant about national and global security. But people's lives, who gives a sh*t right?
Nice twist
Also 100% true and relevant.
How does drawing up new measures to be able to to impose sanctions equate to bombing people and me not giving a shit about people's lives?
You stated that an inability to impose sanctions, which are usually used before military force was "No Big Deal" and a "Non story ".
Where did I state that?
Scroll up to your first response to my post.
Why? That is not what I stated there
So, what did this mean:
"Sanctions against other countries such as Russia. Big deal. Non story"
That was in response to somebody asking what sanctions and referring to your post about the governmeant needing to draw up new measures to impose sanctions
Yes, and my post was about it being needed because we lacked the laws to do it.
Which is apparently No Big Deal and A Non Story
Which is correct"
So, global and national security isn't important then.
Make your mind up and form a coherent argument. |
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"Sanctions against other countries such as Russia. Big deal. Non story
That's right, I forgot the first recourse now was simply to bomb the sh*t out of people. Simple.
I am surprised you're so flippant about national and global security. But people's lives, who gives a sh*t right?
Nice twist
Also 100% true and relevant.
How does drawing up new measures to be able to to impose sanctions equate to bombing people and me not giving a shit about people's lives?
You stated that an inability to impose sanctions, which are usually used before military force was "No Big Deal" and a "Non story ".
Where did I state that?
Scroll up to your first response to my post.
Why? That is not what I stated there
So, what did this mean:
"Sanctions against other countries such as Russia. Big deal. Non story"
That was in response to somebody asking what sanctions and referring to your post about the governmeant needing to draw up new measures to impose sanctions
Yes, and my post was about it being needed because we lacked the laws to do it.
Which is apparently No Big Deal and A Non Story
Which is correct
So, global and national security isn't important then.
Make your mind up and form a coherent argument."
No, it is important. Your post referring to new measures being taken is no big deal and a non story |
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"So some government work was done on a government working day?
The new/replacement laws need to be in by the time we exit the EU don't they? "
Then why are the government rushing them through if timing isn't important.
Also, my larger point is this.
Regardless of anyone views on Brexit, given the size and importance of the task wouldnt we want the process to be effectively planned and managed?
Or do we want a last minute scramble to deal with issues no-one has thought of?
Personally I'd want the former as in my experience the latter is how mistakes happen and shi*ty deals are made.
But then maybe that's the difference between fact-based decision making and ideologically driven policy? |
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"Sanctions against other countries such as Russia. Big deal. Non story
That's right, I forgot the first recourse now was simply to bomb the sh*t out of people. Simple.
I am surprised you're so flippant about national and global security. But people's lives, who gives a sh*t right?
Nice twist
Also 100% true and relevant.
How does drawing up new measures to be able to to impose sanctions equate to bombing people and me not giving a shit about people's lives?
You stated that an inability to impose sanctions, which are usually used before military force was "No Big Deal" and a "Non story ".
Where did I state that?
Scroll up to your first response to my post.
Why? That is not what I stated there
So, what did this mean:
"Sanctions against other countries such as Russia. Big deal. Non story"
That was in response to somebody asking what sanctions and referring to your post about the governmeant needing to draw up new measures to impose sanctions
Yes, and my post was about it being needed because we lacked the laws to do it.
Which is apparently No Big Deal and A Non Story
Which is correct
So, global and national security isn't important then.
Make your mind up and form a coherent argument.
No, it is important. Your post referring to new measures being taken is no big deal and a non story"
Ok, so the sanctions themselves are important but the ability to apply them isn't.
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"The first thing to happen is what is (wrongly) called "The Great Repeal Bill" . This will transfer ALL existing EU law (which we currently have to follow) into UK law. So at the time we actually exit...nothing changes.
After we have left the government/parliament will then have the powers to change or to repeal any such laws.
There is zero requirement for any new laws.... and like others unclear what you mean by "sanctions"."
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Sanctions are agreed through the UN. As we are a permanent security council member (as is France) it has said all to do with EU/brexit etc.
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
I find it strange that the very people (remainers) , who during the referendum campaigner saying less than 6% of our laws are driven by EU laws and regulations, are the same people who are now bleating about the amount of laws that we have to change because of Brexit. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"I find it strange that the very people (remainers) , who during the referendum campaigner saying less than 6% of our laws are driven by EU laws and regulations, are the same people who are now bleating about the amount of laws that we have to change because of Brexit."
You do understand the difference between EU directives and EU regulations, right? You do realise that just because we don't have something written into UK law, that it doesn't mean that we have legal obligations to fulfil?
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"Sanctions are agreed through the UN. As we are a permanent security council member (as is France) it has said all to do with EU/brexit etc.
So no change."
How so?
As a UN member we have to implement the sanctions etc. But the UN doesn't have any laws itself does it? From what I've read we use the EU laws to implement the sanctions (as they are there, and we can). If we no longer use the EU laws and we don't have the legal frameworks in our own legislation, then how do we actually implement the UN resolutions?
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"I think the 'speculation' post was more in reply to Wills post don't you?"
Really?
Speculation my arse!
Try reading chapter 3 of the Great Repeal Bill white paper!
I'll make it easy for you, here is a link:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/604516/Great_repeal_bill_white_paper_accessible.pdf
That is the bill as introduced and placed in the house of Commons library for anyone to read. All I have done is pointed out the implications of what is proposed. |
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"I think the 'speculation' post was more in reply to Wills post don't you?
Really?
Speculation my arse!
Try reading chapter 3 of the Great Repeal Bill white paper!
I'll make it easy for you, here is a link:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/604516/Great_repeal_bill_white_paper_accessible.pdf
That is the bill as introduced and placed in the house of Commons library for anyone to read. All I have done is pointed out the implications of what is proposed. "
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"Implications? Speculations? Nazis? Don't you have some canvassing for the Marxists to do?
Are you by any chance a Daily Mail reader?"
I read whatever is available on the counters of the greasy spoons I use. Same as the white van man/tradesmen I work with. Funnily enough I don't ever recall seeing a Guardian. That must be the paper of the London 'working class' |
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"Implications? Speculations? Nazis? Don't you have some canvassing for the Marxists to do?
Are you by any chance a Daily Mail reader?
I read whatever is available on the counters of the greasy spoons I use. Same as the white van man/tradesmen I work with. Funnily enough I don't ever recall seeing a Guardian. That must be the paper of the London 'working class'"
Maybe you should try visiting a library, at least before the Tories close them all
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"Implications? Speculations? Nazis? Don't you have some canvassing for the Marxists to do?
Are you by any chance a Daily Mail reader?
I read whatever is available on the counters of the greasy spoons I use. Same as the white van man/tradesmen I work with. Funnily enough I don't ever recall seeing a Guardian. That must be the paper of the London 'working class'
Maybe you should try visiting a library, at least before the Tories close them all
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The Labour government and council closed my 2 local ones along with the swimming pools |
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"Implications? Speculations? Nazis? Don't you have some canvassing for the Marxists to do?
Are you by any chance a Daily Mail reader?
I read whatever is available on the counters of the greasy spoons I use. Same as the white van man/tradesmen I work with. Funnily enough I don't ever recall seeing a Guardian. That must be the paper of the London 'working class'
Maybe you should try visiting a library, at least before the Tories close them all
The Labour government and council closed my 2 local ones along with the swimming pools"
Maybe that's because they spent all the money on the tiling you overcharged them on? |
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over a year ago
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"Implications? Speculations? Nazis? Don't you have some canvassing for the Marxists to do?
Are you by any chance a Daily Mail reader?
I read whatever is available on the counters of the greasy spoons I use. Same as the white van man/tradesmen I work with. Funnily enough I don't ever recall seeing a Guardian. That must be the paper of the London 'working class'
Maybe you should try visiting a library, at least before the Tories close them all
The Labour government and council closed my 2 local ones along with the swimming pools
Maybe that's because they spent all the money on the tiling you overcharged them on?"
Or the £200,000 a year salary of the chief executive and the countless 'consultants' he brings in at a similar cost to 'improve' things. |
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"Implications? Speculations? Nazis? Don't you have some canvassing for the Marxists to do?
Are you by any chance a Daily Mail reader?
I read whatever is available on the counters of the greasy spoons I use. Same as the white van man/tradesmen I work with. Funnily enough I don't ever recall seeing a Guardian. That must be the paper of the London 'working class'
Maybe you should try visiting a library, at least before the Tories close them all
The Labour government and council closed my 2 local ones along with the swimming pools
Maybe that's because they spent all the money on the tiling you overcharged them on?
Or the £200,000 a year salary of the chief executive and the countless 'consultants' he brings in at a similar cost to 'improve' things. "
Waste is waste and given you admitted yourself you were embarrassed by what you charged I don't think you've got much to complain about. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"Implications? Speculations? Nazis? Don't you have some canvassing for the Marxists to do?
Are you by any chance a Daily Mail reader?
I read whatever is available on the counters of the greasy spoons I use. Same as the white van man/tradesmen I work with. Funnily enough I don't ever recall seeing a Guardian. That must be the paper of the London 'working class'
Maybe you should try visiting a library, at least before the Tories close them all
The Labour government and council closed my 2 local ones along with the swimming pools"
Our Labour council closed our pools, but were still able to send millions on plush new council offices. |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
glasgow |
"So some government work was done on a government working day?
The new/replacement laws need to be in by the time we exit the EU don't they?
Then why are the government rushing them through if timing isn't important.
Also, my larger point is this.
Regardless of anyone views on Brexit, given the size and importance of the task wouldnt we want the process to be effectively planned and managed?
Or do we want a last minute scramble to deal with issues no-one has thought of?
Personally I'd want the former as in my experience the latter is how mistakes happen and shi*ty deals are made.
But then maybe that's the difference between fact-based decision making and ideologically driven policy?"
On the other hand.
Your post could be considered,
Just Another desperate Remainers,
Agenda driven overstatement.
.
Where as,in reality,everyone knows,
Remainers included.
every Brexit related legality,
Will be sorted.
.
Only the headline hungry media,
And desperate remainers,
Will even notice the transition.
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"So some government work was done on a government working day?
The new/replacement laws need to be in by the time we exit the EU don't they?
Then why are the government rushing them through if timing isn't important.
Also, my larger point is this.
Regardless of anyone views on Brexit, given the size and importance of the task wouldnt we want the process to be effectively planned and managed?
Or do we want a last minute scramble to deal with issues no-one has thought of?
Personally I'd want the former as in my experience the latter is how mistakes happen and shi*ty deals are made.
But then maybe that's the difference between fact-based decision making and ideologically driven policy?
On the other hand.
Your post could be considered,
Just Another desperate Remainers,
Agenda driven overstatement.
.
Where as,in reality,everyone knows,
Remainers included.
every Brexit related legality,
Will be sorted.
.
Only the headline hungry media,
And desperate remainers,
Will even notice the transition.
;-) "
That makes no sense. |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
glasgow |
"So some government work was done on a government working day?
The new/replacement laws need to be in by the time we exit the EU don't they?
Then why are the government rushing them through if timing isn't important.
Also, my larger point is this.
Regardless of anyone views on Brexit, given the size and importance of the task wouldnt we want the process to be effectively planned and managed?
Or do we want a last minute scramble to deal with issues no-one has thought of?
Personally I'd want the former as in my experience the latter is how mistakes happen and shi*ty deals are made.
But then maybe that's the difference between fact-based decision making and ideologically driven policy?
On the other hand.
Your post could be considered,
Just Another desperate Remainers,
Agenda driven overstatement.
.
Where as,in reality,everyone knows,
Remainers included.
every Brexit related legality,
Will be sorted.
.
Only the headline hungry media,
And desperate remainers,
Will even notice the transition.
;-)
That makes no sense."
I'm thinking,that's more your problem,
Than mine.
Try harder.
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"So some government work was done on a government working day?
The new/replacement laws need to be in by the time we exit the EU don't they?
Then why are the government rushing them through if timing isn't important.
Also, my larger point is this.
Regardless of anyone views on Brexit, given the size and importance of the task wouldnt we want the process to be effectively planned and managed?
Or do we want a last minute scramble to deal with issues no-one has thought of?
Personally I'd want the former as in my experience the latter is how mistakes happen and shi*ty deals are made.
But then maybe that's the difference between fact-based decision making and ideologically driven policy?
On the other hand.
Your post could be considered,
Just Another desperate Remainers,
Agenda driven overstatement.
.
Where as,in reality,everyone knows,
Remainers included.
every Brexit related legality,
Will be sorted.
.
Only the headline hungry media,
And desperate remainers,
Will even notice the transition.
;-)
That makes no sense.
I'm thinking,that's more your problem,
Than mine.
Try harder.
;-) "
Your post is definitely
Just another desperate Brexiters
Idealogicallly driven delusion.
Where in reality,everyone knows,
Brexiters included.
That Brexit will be an almighty fu*k up.
Only the fight wing scum media,
And desperate Brexiters
Will continue to deny it.
There you go, drivel for drivel |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
glasgow |
"So some government work was done on a government working day?
The new/replacement laws need to be in by the time we exit the EU don't they?
Then why are the government rushing them through if timing isn't important.
Also, my larger point is this.
Regardless of anyone views on Brexit, given the size and importance of the task wouldnt we want the process to be effectively planned and managed?
Or do we want a last minute scramble to deal with issues no-one has thought of?
Personally I'd want the former as in my experience the latter is how mistakes happen and shi*ty deals are made.
But then maybe that's the difference between fact-based decision making and ideologically driven policy?
On the other hand.
Your post could be considered,
Just Another desperate Remainers,
Agenda driven overstatement.
.
Where as,in reality,everyone knows,
Remainers included.
every Brexit related legality,
Will be sorted.
.
Only the headline hungry media,
And desperate remainers,
Will even notice the transition.
;-)
That makes no sense.
I'm thinking,that's more your problem,
Than mine.
Try harder.
;-)
Your post is definitely
Just another desperate Brexiters
Idealogicallly driven delusion.
Where in reality,everyone knows,
Brexiters included.
That Brexit will be an almighty fu*k up.
Only the fight wing scum media,
And desperate Brexiters
Will continue to deny it.
There you go, drivel for drivel"
Agreed,that is complete drivel
Very Much like your previous
Anti-Brexit posts.
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