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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago
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After today's PMQS, where Eric Pickles had a go at the Lib-Dems for fielding an anti-semitic candidate in the Bradford East constituency, Tim Farron has acted swiftly and removed David Ward.
Nice to report some good and decisive news. |
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The way that politicians cave in to the pro-Israel lobby by, in the name of resisting anti-Semitism, sacrificing the right to open debate and free comment, is disgusting.
- Israel was founded on the basis of terrorism and ethnic cleansing.
- For decades, all Israeli prime ministers were former terrorists.
- Israel is in breach of numerous UN resolutions
- Mossad operates without any respect for the laws of countries which are allies
- The Israeli defence force operates a policy of collective punishment against families of Palestinians who actively resist their occupation.
- Israel is guilty of the sinking of USS Liberty in international waters, murdering 34 US sailors and wounding 174.
Not one of the above statements is untrue or anti-Semitic.....until expressed in public!
BTW, what happened by way of follow-up to the Israeli agents caught out conspiring to bring about pro-Israel sentiment and policy in the UK parliament? |
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"The way that politicians cave in to the pro-Israel lobby by, in the name of resisting anti-Semitism, sacrificing the right to open debate and free comment, is disgusting.
- Israel was founded on the basis of terrorism and ethnic cleansing.
- For decades, all Israeli prime ministers were former terrorists.
- Israel is in breach of numerous UN resolutions
- Mossad operates without any respect for the laws of countries which are allies
- The Israeli defence force operates a policy of collective punishment against families of Palestinians who actively resist their occupation.
- Israel is guilty of the sinking of USS Liberty in international waters, murdering 34 US sailors and wounding 174.
Not one of the above statements is untrue or anti-Semitic.....until expressed in public!
BTW, what happened by way of follow-up to the Israeli agents caught out conspiring to bring about pro-Israel sentiment and policy in the UK parliament? "
True but they aren't the bad guys all the time sometimes they are the good guys.Much like the rest of planet earth.  |
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"The way that politicians cave in to the pro-Muslim lobby by, in the name of resisting Islamaphobia, sacrificing the right to open debate and free comment, is disgusting.
- Islam was founded on the basis of terrorism and ethnic cleansing.
- For centuries, all Islamic leaders were akin to terrorists.
- Islam in its various forms is in breach of numerous UN resolutions
- ISIS and Alky Ada operate without any respect for the laws of any country.
- The defenders of Islam operate a policy of collective punishment against anyone who actively or passively resist their doctrine.
- Israel is guilty of the sinking (it didn't sink) of USS Liberty in international waters, murdering 34 US sailors and wounding 174. It was also jointly agreed by Israel and the US as a case of mistaken identity during the six day war against Egyptian aggression.
Not one of the above statements is untrue or anti-Islam.....until expressed in public!
BTW, what happened by way of follow-up to the Israeli agents caught out conspiring to bring about pro-Israel sentiment and policy in the UK parliament? Haven't a clue. Did it really happen? Show some real evidence "
That looks a lot better than the original to me.  |
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Nice rebuttal - islam is just as bad.
No argument there, but it doesn't address the fact that any statements critical of Israel are routinely treated as being anti-semitic by the supporters of that state.
When a politician such as Farran is cowardly enough to give in to such unreasonable pressure, it shows that he is neither liberal nor a defender of such a basic principle as free speech. |
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"Nice rebuttal - islam is just as bad.
No argument there, but it doesn't address the fact that any statements critical of Israel are routinely treated as being anti-semitic by the supporters of that state.
When a politician such as Farran is cowardly enough to give in to such unreasonable pressure, it shows that he is neither liberal nor a defender of such a basic principle as free speech."
Or maybe he just felt it a sensible move to replace the candidate so that the other candidates didn't harp on about it through the entire campaign to the point where it distracted from the real issues? |
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"Nice rebuttal - islam is just as bad.
No argument there, but it doesn't address the fact that any statements critical of Israel are routinely treated as being anti-semitic by the supporters of that state.
When a politician such as Farran is cowardly enough to give in to such unreasonable pressure, it shows that he is neither liberal nor a defender of such a basic principle as free speech."
Farron is neither liberal or a democrat, his and many other lib dems conduct since the EU referendum has proved that. I also wouldn't put the words Farron and tough in the same sentence. |
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What David Ward actually tweeted was
"Am I wrong or are am I right? At long last the Zionists are losing the battle - how long can the apartheid State of Israel last?"
In my opinion criticism of the policies of the state of Israel is not necessarily anti-Semitic. However use of phrases such as Jewish state or Zionist state I would consider anti-Semitic. David Wards tweet does, in my opinion, come dangerously close to crossing that line and may have actually crossed it. If he had apologised for the use of the words Zionist and apartheid in relation to the state of Israel things might be different now but he never has.
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"The way that politicians cave in to the pro-Israel lobby by, in the name of resisting anti-Semitism, sacrificing the right to open debate and free comment, is disgusting.
- Israel was founded on the basis of terrorism and ethnic cleansing.
- For decades, all Israeli prime ministers were former terrorists.
- Israel is in breach of numerous UN resolutions
- Mossad operates without any respect for the laws of countries which are allies
- The Israeli defence force operates a policy of collective punishment against families of Palestinians who actively resist their occupation.
- Israel is guilty of the sinking of USS Liberty in international waters, murdering 34 US sailors and wounding 174.
Not one of the above statements is untrue or anti-Semitic.....until expressed in public!
BTW, what happened by way of follow-up to the Israeli agents caught out conspiring to bring about pro-Israel sentiment and policy in the UK parliament? "
One of the best, clearly researched, openly racist comments ever to appear on Fab.
No mention of the historical context namely the search for a Jewish homeland, the holocaust or concentration camps, or the numerous military assaults on their new country by their racist Arab neighbours, with the suggestion that a bunch of Jewish terrorists just turned up overnight in Palestine to murder the locals.
And the SS Liberty comment...the laughable nonsense that Jewish freedom fighters deliberately attacked... one of their chief arms suppliers! |
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"The way that politicians cave in to the pro-Israel lobby by, in the name of resisting anti-Semitism, sacrificing the right to open debate and free comment, is disgusting.
- Israel was founded on the basis of terrorism and ethnic cleansing.
- For decades, all Israeli prime ministers were former terrorists.
- Israel is in breach of numerous UN resolutions
- Mossad operates without any respect for the laws of countries which are allies
- The Israeli defence force operates a policy of collective punishment against families of Palestinians who actively resist their occupation.
- Israel is guilty of the sinking of USS Liberty in international waters, murdering 34 US sailors and wounding 174.
Not one of the above statements is untrue or anti-Semitic.....until expressed in public!
BTW, what happened by way of follow-up to the Israeli agents caught out conspiring to bring about pro-Israel sentiment and policy in the UK parliament?
One of the best, clearly researched, openly racist comments ever to appear on Fab.
No mention of the historical context namely the search for a Jewish homeland, the holocaust or concentration camps, or the numerous military assaults on their new country by their racist Arab neighbours, with the suggestion that a bunch of Jewish terrorists just turned up overnight in Palestine to murder the locals.
And the SS Liberty comment...the laughable nonsense that Jewish freedom fighters deliberately attacked... one of their chief arms suppliers! "
Yet you can't deny that the Israeli state operates outside the law and violates human rights.
Im well aware that some political movements in palestine are just as bad, but lets face it, Israel was artificially created, and is now a recognised nation. As such the state of Israel should abide by the say internation laws that the majority of UN member states obide by.
The UN recognises Palestine as a nation doesn't it? Or many members do? Whether its right or wrong, in its founding Israel should not transgress itnernational law and expect to get away criticism free. |
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When did criticising Israel become anti semitic?
Ah, yes I remember, when vickers daughter May who always votes against gay and lesbian rights and wants to scrap the ECHR (Churchill's greatest legacy) decided... |
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"When did criticising Israel become anti semitic?
Ah, yes I remember, when vickers daughter May who always votes against gay and lesbian rights and wants to scrap the ECHR (Churchill's greatest legacy) decided... "
Since people realised they could should down criticism by shouting anti-semite in every direction...despite the criticism being of the Jewish state, not faith. |
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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago
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"When did criticising Israel become anti semitic?
Ah, yes I remember, when vickers daughter May who always votes against gay and lesbian rights and wants to scrap the ECHR (Churchill's greatest legacy) decided... "
According to the "they work for you" website, it's 8 for and 10 against.
So your word of the word "always" is maybe just been put there in error?  |
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"According to the "they work for you" website, it's 8 for and 10 against.
So your word of the word "always" is maybe just been put there in error? "
Fair comment...
But in my defence I did not count votes where a 3 line whip was imposed. I should have said the vickers daughter, who whenever there is a free vote in the commons, votes against gay and lesbian rights to equality with heterosexuals, and is determined to withdraw the UK from ECHR as soon as she has delivered the hardest brexit deal she can and turn this country into a low wage, no worker protection, no free healthcare, no free public education, low corporate tax haven for multinationals.
Guess her father was a little less Christian in his views and more in favour of the bit of the bible that says 'if thy eye offends pluck it out' than the bits that says 'love thy neighbour' and 'turn the other cheek' maybe he even liked the idea of money lenders doing business in the places of worship. Because one thing is for sure and that is his daughter is not a christian no matter what she claims! |
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Yet you can't deny that the Israeli state operates outside the law and violates human rights.
Im well aware that some political movements in palestine are just as bad, but lets face it, Israel was artificially created, and is now a recognised nation. As such the state of Israel should abide by the say internation laws that the majority of UN member states obide by.
The UN recognises Palestine as a nation doesn't it? Or many members do? Whether its right or wrong, in its founding Israel should not transgress itnernational law and expect to get away criticism free."
Israel operates 'outside the law' because it is surrounded by anti-Semites and their Western European and UN supporters and because 'the law' wasn't there when they were being exterminated.
The USA regularly breaks international law on a much larger international scale by dropping bombs on people it doesn't like rather than people who directly threaten it. Trump's attack on a Syrian airfield two weeks ago was clearly illegal and a direct breach of international law. |
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"If North Korea was Jewish, would they be "OK"?
What do you mean by that?"
Land grabbing. Political assassination. Ethnic cleansing. Region de-stabilizing. Technological espionage, not to mention Xenophobia on a massive scale. But it's ok because they're Jewish. If North Korea was Jewish would America be saber rattling to the current degree? |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"According to the "they work for you" website, it's 8 for and 10 against.
So your word of the word "always" is maybe just been put there in error?
Fair comment...
But in my defence I did not count votes where a 3 line whip was imposed. I should have said the vickers daughter, who whenever there is a free vote in the commons, votes against gay and lesbian rights to equality with heterosexuals, and is determined to withdraw the UK from ECHR as soon as she has delivered the hardest brexit deal she can and turn this country into a low wage, no worker protection, no free healthcare, no free public education, low corporate tax haven for multinationals.
Guess her father was a little less Christian in his views and more in favour of the bit of the bible that says 'if thy eye offends pluck it out' than the bits that says 'love thy neighbour' and 'turn the other cheek' maybe he even liked the idea of money lenders doing business in the places of worship. Because one thing is for sure and that is his daughter is not a christian no matter what she claims!"
Haven't there been several reports produced over the last few years that conclude that EU membership and free movement has actually suppressed wages, particularly at the lower end? |
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"If North Korea was Jewish, would they be "OK"?
What do you mean by that?
Land grabbing. Political assassination. Ethnic cleansing. Region de-stabilizing. Technological espionage, not to mention Xenophobia on a massive scale. But it's ok because they're Jewish. If North Korea was Jewish would America be saber rattling to the current degree?"
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You missed out that they are also in violation of the nuclear proliferation treaty as they have nuclear weapons (most likely given to them by the USA).
Still we can trust them not to use them.. Can't we!  |
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"Haven't there been several reports produced over the last few years that conclude that EU membership and free movement has actually suppressed wages, particularly at the lower end?"
By who?
The UK is the only G20 country that has had economic growth between 2007 and 2015 where real wages have fallen.
In fact since 2007 real wages have fallen by 10.4% in the UK, only equalled by Greece. In contrast real wages (over the same period) have risen by 13.9% in Germany,10.5% in France, the OECD average has been +6.7%, USA 6.4%, Japan 4.7% and Spain 2.8%...
Guess the Germans, French and Spanish must not have got those reports, but it is convenient that we did and it totally deflects attention away from the fact that since 2010 the super rich have doubled their wealth. |
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"If North Korea was Jewish, would they be "OK"?
What do you mean by that?
Land grabbing. Political assassination. Ethnic cleansing. Region de-stabilizing. Technological espionage, not to mention Xenophobia on a massive scale. But it's ok because they're Jewish. If North Korea was Jewish would America be saber rattling to the current degree?.
You missed out that they are also in violation of the nuclear proliferation treaty as they have nuclear weapons (most likely given to them by the USA).
Still we can trust them not to use them.. Can't we! "
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"Haven't there been several reports produced over the last few years that conclude that EU membership and free movement has actually suppressed wages, particularly at the lower end?
By who?
The UK is the only G20 country that has had economic growth between 2007 and 2015 where real wages have fallen.
In fact since 2007 real wages have fallen by 10.4% in the UK, only equalled by Greece. In contrast real wages (over the same period) have risen by 13.9% in Germany,10.5% in France, the OECD average has been +6.7%, USA 6.4%, Japan 4.7% and Spain 2.8%...
Guess the Germans, French and Spanish must not have got those reports, but it is convenient that we did and it totally deflects attention away from the fact that since 2010 the super rich have doubled their wealth. "
I'm sure that the 10% unemployed in France and 20% in Spain will be pleased to know that their wages have risen at a faster rate than ours |
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"Haven't there been several reports produced over the last few years that conclude that EU membership and free movement has actually suppressed wages, particularly at the lower end?
By who?
The UK is the only G20 country that has had economic growth between 2007 and 2015 where real wages have fallen.
In fact since 2007 real wages have fallen by 10.4% in the UK, only equalled by Greece. In contrast real wages (over the same period) have risen by 13.9% in Germany,10.5% in France, the OECD average has been +6.7%, USA 6.4%, Japan 4.7% and Spain 2.8%...
Guess the Germans, French and Spanish must not have got those reports, but it is convenient that we did and it totally deflects attention away from the fact that since 2010 the super rich have doubled their wealth. "
And aren't you just confirming what the poster said? |
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"The way that politicians cave in to the pro-Israel lobby by, in the name of resisting anti-Semitism, sacrificing the right to open debate and free comment, is disgusting.
- Israel was founded on the basis of terrorism and ethnic cleansing.
- For decades, all Israeli prime ministers were former terrorists.
- Israel is in breach of numerous UN resolutions
- Mossad operates without any respect for the laws of countries which are allies
- The Israeli defence force operates a policy of collective punishment against families of Palestinians who actively resist their occupation.
- Israel is guilty of the sinking of USS Liberty in international waters, murdering 34 US sailors and wounding 174.
Not one of the above statements is untrue or anti-Semitic.....until expressed in public!
BTW, what happened by way of follow-up to the Israeli agents caught out conspiring to bring about pro-Israel sentiment and policy in the UK parliament?
One of the best, clearly researched, openly racist comments ever to appear on Fab.
No mention of the historical context namely the search for a Jewish homeland, the holocaust or concentration camps, or the numerous military assaults on their new country by their racist Arab neighbours, with the suggestion that a bunch of Jewish terrorists just turned up overnight in Palestine to murder the locals.
And the SS Liberty comment...the laughable nonsense that Jewish freedom fighters deliberately attacked... one of their chief arms suppliers! "
It's difficult to reason with anyone who writes such drivel as that self-serving propaganda by way of response.
Everything mentioned in my post is factual, not opinion, and the only research required was to establish the numbers of casualties inflicted by the IDF or, as you term them, "Jewish freedom fighters".
Still, it was inevitable that supporters of Israel would brand inconvenient facts as racist. Nothing new there, only to be expected.
As regards historical context, I assume you think that justifies Israeli crimes.
It's never ok to create a state on the basis of war, ethnic cleansing and land grab - not for the Europeans massacring native Americans, not for Britain turning the atlas pink, not for anyone, ever.
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By *andS66Couple
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"Haven't there been several reports produced over the last few years that conclude that EU membership and free movement has actually suppressed wages, particularly at the lower end?
By who?
The UK is the only G20 country that has had economic growth between 2007 and 2015 where real wages have fallen.
In fact since 2007 real wages have fallen by 10.4% in the UK, only equalled by Greece. In contrast real wages (over the same period) have risen by 13.9% in Germany,10.5% in France, the OECD average has been +6.7%, USA 6.4%, Japan 4.7% and Spain 2.8%...
Guess the Germans, French and Spanish must not have got those reports, but it is convenient that we did and it totally deflects attention away from the fact that since 2010 the super rich have doubled their wealth. "
Lord Rose, head of remain campaign, to Treasury Select Committee in March 2016
Wages will rise if Britain votes to leave the European Union and the number of EU migrants coming to the UK falls, the head of the “in” campaign has admitted.
Lord Rose, the former head of Marks & Spencer who is leading the Britain Stronger in Europe campaign, told MPs on Wednesday that if a British exit leads to restrictions on EU migrants, then “the price of labour will, frankly, go up”.
National Institute of Economic and Social Research (NIESR), which receives research funding from the European Commission - report from December 2016 research paper - titled The Economic Impact of Brexit-induced Reductions in Migration, found that
- EU migration depresses wages
- People in lower skilled jobs such as construction, hospitality, and agriculture would especially benefit from a reduction in immigration
- slashing immigration will have no effect on the job prospects of British citizens.
Dec 2015
Bank of England report, entitled “The Impact of Immigration on Occupational Wages”,written by Oxford academic Stephen Nickell, who is a member of the Office for Budget Responsibility, and Bank of England economist Jumana Saleheen.
“The biggest effect is in the semi/unskilled services sector, where a 10 percentage point rise in the proportion of immigrants is associated with a two per cent reduction in pay" |
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"If North Korea was Jewish, would they be "OK"?
What do you mean by that?
Land grabbing. Political assassination. Ethnic cleansing. Region de-stabilizing. Technological espionage, not to mention Xenophobia on a massive scale. But it's ok because they're Jewish. If North Korea was Jewish would America be saber rattling to the current degree?.
You missed out that they are also in violation of the nuclear proliferation treaty as they have nuclear weapons (most likely given to them by the USA).
Still we can trust them not to use them.. Can't we! "
I think its far to say the US gave the technology or atleast helped the development of the israeli nuke that they deny having.. |
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"If North Korea was Jewish, would they be "OK"?
What do you mean by that?
Land grabbing. Political assassination. Ethnic cleansing. Region de-stabilizing. Technological espionage, not to mention Xenophobia on a massive scale. But it's ok because they're Jewish. If North Korea was Jewish would America be saber rattling to the current degree?.
You missed out that they are also in violation of the nuclear proliferation treaty as they have nuclear weapons (most likely given to them by the USA).
Still we can trust them not to use them.. Can't we! I think its far to say the US gave the technology or atleast helped the development of the israeli nuke that they deny having.. "
Imagine if Trump got fed up of tip toeing around Israel and Palestine and told them to suck it up and go back t the original two state deal - only for the Israeli state to turn round and threaten Trump with the American tech they have been lent.  |
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"The way that politicians cave in to the pro-Israel lobby by, in the name of resisting anti-Semitism, sacrificing the right to open debate and free comment, is disgusting.
- Israel was founded on the basis of terrorism and ethnic cleansing.
- For decades, all Israeli prime ministers were former terrorists.
- Israel is in breach of numerous UN resolutions
- Mossad operates without any respect for the laws of countries which are allies
- The Israeli defence force operates a policy of collective punishment against families of Palestinians who actively resist their occupation.
- Israel is guilty of the sinking of USS Liberty in international waters, murdering 34 US sailors and wounding 174.
Not one of the above statements is untrue or anti-Semitic.....until expressed in public!
BTW, what happened by way of follow-up to the Israeli agents caught out conspiring to bring about pro-Israel sentiment and policy in the UK parliament?
One of the best, clearly researched, openly racist comments ever to appear on Fab.
No mention of the historical context namely the search for a Jewish homeland, the holocaust or concentration camps, or the numerous military assaults on their new country by their racist Arab neighbours, with the suggestion that a bunch of Jewish terrorists just turned up overnight in Palestine to murder the locals.
And the SS Liberty comment...the laughable nonsense that Jewish freedom fighters deliberately attacked... one of their chief arms suppliers!
It's difficult to reason with anyone who writes such drivel as that self-serving propaganda by way of response.
Everything mentioned in my post is factual, not opinion, and the only research required was to establish the numbers of casualties inflicted by the IDF or, as you term them, "Jewish freedom fighters".
Still, it was inevitable that supporters of Israel would brand inconvenient facts as racist. Nothing new there, only to be expected.
As regards historical context, I assume you think that justifies Israeli crimes...
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I know, it's frustrating not being able to join the SS and punish Israel for its "crimes". Still, there's always ISIS...I'm sure they'd be very happy to take you. |
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"The way that politicians cave in to the pro-Israel lobby by, in the name of resisting anti-Semitism, sacrificing the right to open debate and free comment, is disgusting.
- Israel was founded on the basis of terrorism and ethnic cleansing.
- For decades, all Israeli prime ministers were former terrorists.
- Israel is in breach of numerous UN resolutions
- Mossad operates without any respect for the laws of countries which are allies
- The Israeli defence force operates a policy of collective punishment against families of Palestinians who actively resist their occupation.
- Israel is guilty of the sinking of USS Liberty in international waters, murdering 34 US sailors and wounding 174.
Not one of the above statements is untrue or anti-Semitic.....until expressed in public!
BTW, what happened by way of follow-up to the Israeli agents caught out conspiring to bring about pro-Israel sentiment and policy in the UK parliament?
One of the best, clearly researched, openly racist comments ever to appear on Fab.
No mention of the historical context namely the search for a Jewish homeland, the holocaust or concentration camps, or the numerous military assaults on their new country by their racist Arab neighbours, with the suggestion that a bunch of Jewish terrorists just turned up overnight in Palestine to murder the locals.
And the SS Liberty comment...the laughable nonsense that Jewish freedom fighters deliberately attacked... one of their chief arms suppliers!
It's difficult to reason with anyone who writes such drivel as that self-serving propaganda by way of response.
Everything mentioned in my post is factual, not opinion, and the only research required was to establish the numbers of casualties inflicted by the IDF or, as you term them, "Jewish freedom fighters".
Still, it was inevitable that supporters of Israel would brand inconvenient facts as racist. Nothing new there, only to be expected.
As regards historical context, I assume you think that justifies Israeli crimes...
I know, it's frustrating not being able to join the SS and punish Israel for its "crimes". Still, there's always ISIS...I'm sure they'd be very happy to take you."
Looks like your unquestioning, fact-denying support of Israel puts you in the same camp as ISIS or the SS in terms of fanaticism and distortion of truth.
tell us, why don't you... what do you think of the murder of UN peace emissary Count Bernadotte by Shamir's Stern gang terrorists? Bernadotte, a man who arranged the freedom of thousands of Jewish concentration camp inmates towards the end of WW2.
Or the atrocities against British soldiers and civilians in the King David Hotel bombing?
Or the torture and murder of two British soldiers?
Context again?
Ssshhh. Mustn't mention inconvenient facts. It's racist.
Gerald Kaufmann was sufficiently balanced to offer criticism of Israel where appropriate. Was he a racist? An anti-semitic Jew? A traitor? |
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