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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
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can someone tell me why it was such a bad idea when proposed by Ed Milliband in the general election 2 years ago... and was slaughtered for it...
now Teresa May suggests it may be in the Conservative manifesto this time round.... and the right wing papers love it?? |
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"can someone tell me why it was such a bad idea when proposed by Ed Milliband in the general election 2 years ago... and was slaughtered for it...
now Teresa May suggests it may be in the Conservative manifesto this time round.... and the right wing papers love it??"
I I didn't use either of them to Cap my energy prices until 2018, I went to green network energy for my own deal |
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over a year ago
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"can someone tell me why it was such a bad idea when proposed by Ed Milliband in the general election 2 years ago... and was slaughtered for it...
now Teresa May suggests it may be in the Conservative manifesto this time round.... and the right wing papers love it??"
Psychology.. It depends on how popular they are |
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Anything Labour propose that was not in a prior tory manifesto is re-branded communism. Anything the tories take from previous Labour manifestos is a sensible centre right policy to curb the excesses of emerging monopolies and cartels... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It would be easy for most suppliers to reduce domestic tariffs as they use the revenue to cross subsidise their business customers bills. I work in the industry and know at least 3 of the Big 6 do this.
They just need to take away this subsidy and pass the costs back to the businesses |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Hello Fabio,
it was a bad Labour idea and it's a far worse idea if the Tories carry it out as it's against their basic principles.
It's ironic that Ed Milliband proposed it as a significant part of electricty price increase is due to his Climate Change act and the expansion of renewable power.
The other point is that although the media have eye catching headlines about how many X pounds the energy companies make in profits they never balance it with what the turnover is, that ratio is what determines an excessive profit or not, not a large sum by itself. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Mills and didn't propose capping any rises. He proposed freezing them. World and the UK energy prices actually fell over the next two years....which would not have happened if they had been frozen.
He'd he proposed capping them then it may have been a better idea! |
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"can someone tell me why it was such a bad idea when proposed by Ed Milliband in the general election 2 years ago... and was slaughtered for it...
now Teresa May suggests it may be in the Conservative manifesto this time round.... and the right wing papers love it??"
Hmmmmmmmm??????
Does capping also include what we put back into the grid, I hope not or I will be turning off my solar panels and wind turbine |
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"just bumping this back up since it looks like it will offically be in the manifesto since may was talking about it yesterday.....
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I kind of agree with this idea, but doubt that it will actually deliver for the end user.
When actually its the lease of your worries, as once the domestic market has been saturated by smart meters you will be a lot more if you want to cook and be warm during peak load hours
Off course if you want to save money you can wake your kids up at about 4am have the heating on and cook them a decent full English which with soon be known as as the Brexit....
in the mean time chill your CH4 and get more Mj/m3
or in simpler terms free gas
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"just bumping this back up since it looks like it will offically be in the manifesto since may was talking about it yesterday.....
I kind of agree with this idea, but doubt that it will actually deliver for the end user.
When actually its the lease of your worries, as once the domestic market has been saturated by smart meters you will be a lot more if you want to cook and be warm during peak load hours
Off course if you want to save money you can wake your kids up at about 4am have the heating on and cook them a decent full English which with soon be known as as the Brexit....
in the mean time chill your CH4 and get more Mj/m3
or in simpler terms free gas
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I've read this three times now, and still can't work out what you are on about! The only bit I can fathom is the bit about chilling methane to make it denser and hence more energy per volume. I don't understand who and how people would be chilling it. Natural gas is about 70% methane... or are you making some fart joke I'm missing?
-Matt |
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"just bumping this back up since it looks like it will offically be in the manifesto since may was talking about it yesterday.....
I kind of agree with this idea, but doubt that it will actually deliver for the end user.
When actually its the lease of your worries, as once the domestic market has been saturated by smart meters you will be a lot more if you want to cook and be warm during peak load hours
Off course if you want to save money you can wake your kids up at about 4am have the heating on and cook them a decent full English which with soon be known as as the Brexit....
in the mean time chill your CH4 and get more Mj/m3
or in simpler terms free gas
I've read this three times now, and still can't work out what you are on about! The only bit I can fathom is the bit about chilling methane to make it denser and hence more energy per volume. I don't understand who and how people would be chilling it. Natural gas is about 70% methane... or are you making some fart joke I'm missing?
-Matt"
Natural gas is 90% methane |
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"just bumping this back up since it looks like it will offically be in the manifesto since may was talking about it yesterday.....
I kind of agree with this idea, but doubt that it will actually deliver for the end user.
When actually its the lease of your worries, as once the domestic market has been saturated by smart meters you will be a lot more if you want to cook and be warm during peak load hours
Off course if you want to save money you can wake your kids up at about 4am have the heating on and cook them a decent full English which with soon be known as as the Brexit....
in the mean time chill your CH4 and get more Mj/m3
or in simpler terms free gas
I've read this three times now, and still can't work out what you are on about! The only bit I can fathom is the bit about chilling methane to make it denser and hence more energy per volume. I don't understand who and how people would be chilling it. Natural gas is about 70% methane... or are you making some fart joke I'm missing?
-Matt"
When most properties are fitted with smart meters, which provide 30 minute billing as opposed to your dumb meter which merely records the volumes of gas or electricity which have flowed through them, you will be billed on the time of day that you use your fuel source.
Part of drive to introducing smart meters is the fact that our nationalgrid is creaking at the seams due to an ever increasing demand on the infrastructure.
So if you move the demand from peak load hours, by having multiple price bands based on the time of day. You reduce the demand so reducing the need for re-inforcement work to both our gas transmission system and our electric grid network |
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"She cant come up with her own things, so she is taking labours ideas lol."
I've heard she is terrified that labour will actually smash them on polling day
Plenty of peeps are saying that Corbyn is a natural leader and his battle bus is like living the dream |
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"She cant come up with her own things, so she is taking labours ideas lol.
I've heard she is terrified that labour will actually smash them on polling day
Plenty of peeps are saying that Corbyn is a natural leader and his battle bus is like living the dream"
That is right and I reckon they will win as well, the people are warming towards labour more and more and brexit would be alot better with them and he stands for the people, whilst may is for the elite. |
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"She cant come up with her own things, so she is taking labours ideas lol.
I've heard she is terrified that labour will actually smash them on polling day
Plenty of peeps are saying that Corbyn is a natural leader and his battle bus is like living the dreamThat is right and I reckon they will win as well, the people are warming towards labour more and more and brexit would be alot better with them and he stands for the people, whilst may is for the elite."
I am surpised myself how people seem to be warming to labour.I didnt think he had a chance.Apparently there has been a huge surge in students and young people registering to vote.I think theyll vote tactically.I doubt theyll be tory voters. |
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"She cant come up with her own things, so she is taking labours ideas lol.
I've heard she is terrified that labour will actually smash them on polling day
Plenty of peeps are saying that Corbyn is a natural leader and his battle bus is like living the dreamThat is right and I reckon they will win as well, the people are warming towards labour more and more and brexit would be alot better with them and he stands for the people, whilst may is for the elite. I am surpised myself how people seem to be warming to labour.I didnt think he had a chance.Apparently there has been a huge surge in students and young people registering to vote.I think theyll vote tactically.I doubt theyll be tory voters."
I was taking the piss, he hasn't a prayer I bet some one had to tell which way to acccess and egress the bloody bus |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Hello Bobbangs,
Which is why, I presume, John Macdonald says they will make all education and school meals free, sounds grand to the young but not so good when it has to be paid for. Mr Corbyn keeps saying this is a rich country, he seems to have forgotten that the country has a huge natioal debt.
Some companies and individuals are wealthy but that is not the U.K.'s money.
The government already spends about £10,000 per head for every man woman and child living here and they want to spend more.
Going back to capping electricity prices, it is far more sensible to repeal the climate change act and stop subsidising wind and solar generation. That will make much more a cost effective contribution and hopefully, eventually, increase investment in proper generation systems. Smart meters are not going to do it. |
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"She cant come up with her own things, so she is taking labours ideas lol.
I've heard she is terrified that labour will actually smash them on polling day
Plenty of peeps are saying that Corbyn is a natural leader and his battle bus is like living the dreamThat is right and I reckon they will win as well, the people are warming towards labour more and more and brexit would be alot better with them and he stands for the people, whilst may is for the elite. I am surpised myself how people seem to be warming to labour.I didnt think he had a chance.Apparently there has been a huge surge in students and young people registering to vote.I think theyll vote tactically.I doubt theyll be tory voters.
I was taking the piss, he hasn't a prayer I bet some one had to tell which way to acccess and egress the bloody bus"
Are you sure you did? And yes, the students will vote as well, cos who want to be stuck with may for 20 years with no opposition? lol. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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capping will make little or no difference to your future bills as with the roll out of smart meters the way we are billed will completely change.once everyone has these installed the suppliers will be able to see how much you are using by the minute and so will be able to charge you more during peak demand and less during quiet times .also we are being encouraged to move towards electric/hybrid cars that will need charging and when are people going to be most likely charging them up ? so peak demand may not be when you think it will be |
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"Hello Bobbangs,
Which is why, I presume, John Macdonald says they will make all education and school meals free, sounds grand to the young but not so good when it has to be paid for. Mr Corbyn keeps saying this is a rich country, he seems to have forgotten that the country has a huge natioal debt.
Some companies and individuals are wealthy but that is not the U.K.'s money.
The government already spends about £10,000 per head for every man woman and child living here and they want to spend more.
Going back to capping electricity prices, it is far more sensible to repeal the climate change act and stop subsidising wind and solar generation. That will make much more a cost effective contribution and hopefully, eventually, increase investment in proper generation systems. Smart meters are not going to do it. "
Free education does sound good both for students and parents .Its a vote winner 
Whats a proper generation system. Coal or nuclear ?.Neither has a real future. |
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"capping will make little or no difference to your future bills as with the roll out of smart meters the way we are billed will completely change.once everyone has these installed the suppliers will be able to see how much you are using by the minute and so will be able to charge you more during peak demand and less during quiet times .also we are being encouraged to move towards electric/hybrid cars that will need charging and when are people going to be most likely charging them up ? so peak demand may not be when you think it will be "
Good comments at least 1 other person in here understands what smart meters are all about, it certainly isn't to the consumer any cash, as you can only make the life change once
I.E. turn off appliances on stand by, and thinking about your comments on electric vehicles, as they become the norm off peak is unlikely to remain off peak.
And let's not forget the MAMs also want to receive a return on the meters that they have fitted and data they recover on behalf of the shippers |
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"Hello Bobbangs,
Which is why, I presume, John Macdonald says they will make all education and school meals free, sounds grand to the young but not so good when it has to be paid for. Mr Corbyn keeps saying this is a rich country, he seems to have forgotten that the country has a huge natioal debt.
Some companies and individuals are wealthy but that is not the U.K.'s money.
The government already spends about £10,000 per head for every man woman and child living here and they want to spend more.
Going back to capping electricity prices, it is far more sensible to repeal the climate change act and stop subsidising wind and solar generation. That will make much more a cost effective contribution and hopefully, eventually, increase investment in proper generation systems. Smart meters are not going to do it. Free education does sound good both for students and parents .Its a vote winner
Whats a proper generation system. Coal or nuclear ?.Neither has a real future."
Nuclear is the only fuel that can deliver the kind of demand that the nation needs fulfilling |
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"capping will make little or no difference to your future bills as with the roll out of smart meters the way we are billed will completely change.once everyone has these installed the suppliers will be able to see how much you are using by the minute and so will be able to charge you more during peak demand and less during quiet times .also we are being encouraged to move towards electric/hybrid cars that will need charging and when are people going to be most likely charging them up ? so peak demand may not be when you think it will be "
We should also remember that off peak electric was a way for the power generators to recover some of there costs, when most power was generated by oil and coal, which have large start up and wind down times unlike gas and hydro |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hello Bobbangs,
Which is why, I presume, John Macdonald says they will make all education and school meals free, sounds grand to the young but not so good when it has to be paid for. Mr Corbyn keeps saying this is a rich country, he seems to have forgotten that the country has a huge natioal debt.
Some companies and individuals are wealthy but that is not the U.K.'s money.
The government already spends about £10,000 per head for every man woman and child living here and they want to spend more.
Going back to capping electricity prices, it is far more sensible to repeal the climate change act and stop subsidising wind and solar generation. That will make much more a cost effective contribution and hopefully, eventually, increase investment in proper generation systems. Smart meters are not going to do it. Free education does sound good both for students and parents .Its a vote winner
Whats a proper generation system. Coal or nuclear ?.Neither has a real future.
Nuclear is the only fuel that can deliver the kind of demand that the nation needs fulfilling "
Germany is closing all its nuclear power plants in the next ten years.If they can do it so can we.They have a huge demand also . |
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"Hello Bobbangs,
Which is why, I presume, John Macdonald says they will make all education and school meals free, sounds grand to the young but not so good when it has to be paid for. Mr Corbyn keeps saying this is a rich country, he seems to have forgotten that the country has a huge natioal debt.
Some companies and individuals are wealthy but that is not the U.K.'s money.
The government already spends about £10,000 per head for every man woman and child living here and they want to spend more.
Going back to capping electricity prices, it is far more sensible to repeal the climate change act and stop subsidising wind and solar generation. That will make much more a cost effective contribution and hopefully, eventually, increase investment in proper generation systems. Smart meters are not going to do it. Free education does sound good both for students and parents .Its a vote winner
Whats a proper generation system. Coal or nuclear ?.Neither has a real future.
Nuclear is the only fuel that can deliver the kind of demand that the nation needs fulfilling Germany is closing all its nuclear power plants in the next ten years.If they can do it so can we.They have a huge demand also . "
And a totally different infrastructure for power generation and supply |
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"Hello Bobbangs,
Which is why, I presume, John Macdonald says they will make all education and school meals free, sounds grand to the young but not so good when it has to be paid for. Mr Corbyn keeps saying this is a rich country, he seems to have forgotten that the country has a huge natioal debt.
Some companies and individuals are wealthy but that is not the U.K.'s money.
The government already spends about £10,000 per head for every man woman and child living here and they want to spend more.
Going back to capping electricity prices, it is far more sensible to repeal the climate change act and stop subsidising wind and solar generation. That will make much more a cost effective contribution and hopefully, eventually, increase investment in proper generation systems. Smart meters are not going to do it. Free education does sound good both for students and parents .Its a vote winner
Whats a proper generation system. Coal or nuclear ?.Neither has a real future.
Nuclear is the only fuel that can deliver the kind of demand that the nation needs fulfilling Germany is closing all its nuclear power plants in the next ten years.If they can do it so can we.They have a huge demand also .
And a totally different infrastructure for power generation and supply"
Of course it has. 33% of its electricity was generated from renewables in 2015.Its the future,renewables and fusion.The age of oil and fossil fuels is over and fission is to dirty and costly. |
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By *onyxptMan
over a year ago
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"Hello Bobbangs,
Which is why, I presume, John Macdonald says they will make all education and school meals free, sounds grand to the young but not so good when it has to be paid for. Mr Corbyn keeps saying this is a rich country, he seems to have forgotten that the country has a huge natioal debt.
Some companies and individuals are wealthy but that is not the U.K.'s money.
The government already spends about £10,000 per head for every man woman and child living here and they want to spend more.
Going back to capping electricity prices, it is far more sensible to repeal the climate change act and stop subsidising wind and solar generation. That will make much more a cost effective contribution and hopefully, eventually, increase investment in proper generation systems. Smart meters are not going to do it. Free education does sound good both for students and parents .Its a vote winner
Whats a proper generation system. Coal or nuclear ?.Neither has a real future.
Nuclear is the only fuel that can deliver the kind of demand that the nation needs fulfilling Germany is closing all its nuclear power plants in the next ten years.If they can do it so can we.They have a huge demand also .
And a totally different infrastructure for power generation and supply Of course it has. 33% of its electricity was generated from renewables in 2015.Its the future,renewables and fusion.The age of oil and fossil fuels is over and fission is to dirty and costly."
I am all for renewables , in fact I have PV and solar heating in my house !
But the reality is renewables are not even close to being ready to replace Fossil or Nuclear...unfortunately ! 
So they they will be part of the mix for quite a while still !
One of the reasons that for higher bills is to subsidise renewables like solar or wind !
In Portugal where I live that cost represents almost 25% of the electric bill !
So its time for those subsidies to go !
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"Hello Bobbangs,
Which is why, I presume, John Macdonald says they will make all education and school meals free, sounds grand to the young but not so good when it has to be paid for. Mr Corbyn keeps saying this is a rich country, he seems to have forgotten that the country has a huge natioal debt.
Some companies and individuals are wealthy but that is not the U.K.'s money.
The government already spends about £10,000 per head for every man woman and child living here and they want to spend more.
Going back to capping electricity prices, it is far more sensible to repeal the climate change act and stop subsidising wind and solar generation. That will make much more a cost effective contribution and hopefully, eventually, increase investment in proper generation systems. Smart meters are not going to do it. Free education does sound good both for students and parents .Its a vote winner
Whats a proper generation system. Coal or nuclear ?.Neither has a real future.
Nuclear is the only fuel that can deliver the kind of demand that the nation needs fulfilling Germany is closing all its nuclear power plants in the next ten years.If they can do it so can we.They have a huge demand also .
And a totally different infrastructure for power generation and supply Of course it has. 33% of its electricity was generated from renewables in 2015.Its the future,renewables and fusion.The age of oil and fossil fuels is over and fission is to dirty and costly."
That will be why iberdrola fine you if you have PV in Spain, I mean it's after all it's very simple to generate with PV in the dark |
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"She cant come up with her own things, so she is taking labours ideas lol.
I've heard she is terrified that labour will actually smash them on polling day
Plenty of peeps are saying that Corbyn is a natural leader and his battle bus is like living the dreamThat is right and I reckon they will win as well, the people are warming towards labour more and more and brexit would be alot better with them and he stands for the people, whilst may is for the elite."
You can get £14 back for everyone £1 you are willing to bet that labour will win the election. Don't debate it, put your house on it... if that's what you truly believe... |
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"can someone tell me why it was such a bad idea when proposed by Ed Milliband in the general election 2 years ago... and was slaughtered for it...
now Teresa May suggests it may be in the Conservative manifesto this time round.... and the right wing papers love it??"
Because they are dumb cunts who don't understand the most basic principles of business or economics. They are not even good politicians.
This was a bad idea when red ed said it and an even worse idea now. It's just symptomatic of politicians who are too stupid and or spineless to actually tackle the root of the problem.
The UK energy market structure (enforced by regulation) is non-competitive in nature and all that is really required are the right incentives to enable lower cost production methods to reach consumers without a fecking middleman. Capping the middleman is a bandage on a broken leg. |
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Hope they do figure out fusion its gonna change the world.
Thats why the chinese are up on the moon thier there to get the helium 3 dont think they will be buiding fridges with it. |
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"Hope they do figure out fusion its gonna change the world.
Thats why the chinese are up on the moon thier there to get the helium 3 dont think they will be buiding fridges with it."
Two things that will change humanity forever this century are Fusion and A.I.
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"Hope they do figure out fusion its gonna change the world.
Thats why the chinese are up on the moon thier there to get the helium 3 dont think they will be buiding fridges with it. Two things that will change humanity forever this century are Fusion and A.I.
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The latter will probably wipe out humanity! |
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"Hope they do figure out fusion its gonna change the world.
Thats why the chinese are up on the moon thier there to get the helium 3 dont think they will be buiding fridges with it. Two things that will change humanity forever this century are Fusion and A.I.
The latter will probably wipe out humanity!"
It will be our salvation .
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